January 20, 2025 • 27 mins
This episode features remarkable stories of pets who acted heroically to protect their human families during attempted break-ins. From a brave German Shepherd to a relentless cat and a fearless squirrel, we explore how these animals embody loyalty and courage in the face of danger.
• Discussing the protective instincts of dogs and how they serve as guardians
• The story of Rex, a German Shepherd who defended his young owner from burglars
• Binky the cat’s unexpected but effective response to an intruder
• Joey the squirrel thwarts a burglary attempt, showcasing unconventional pet heroics
• The emotional bond between pets and their humans and its influence on protective behavior
• Exploring the importance of nurturing protective instincts in pets and appropriate training
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
All right, so welcome to Deviant Criminology.
I'm Richard, I'm Heather andI'm Richard.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm Heather.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And I'm Rachel and we have Rachel back.
So this is the first episode ina while we've had Rachel back,
so it is great to see you.
So this week we want to talkabout something kind of a little
bit more lighthearted as we gointo this, starting to release
every week thing.
So one thing that I know I'm abig fan of and I have is my pets
thing.
So one thing that I know I'm abig fan of and I have is my pets
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.
What we kind of want to do iskind of some weird stories where
individuals have either beenprotected by their pets or pets
have defended them fromintruders and things like that.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So, heather, if you want to kind of share the story
you had, Sure, we often heartales of people trying to break
into houses and dogs scaringthem off before the person
actually enters the house.
I actually have a friend whowas home with her two young
children when a man tried tobreak into their home and it was
the middle of the day.
Her dogs, because of howaggressive they got towards the
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man who was trying to break inthrough their door, was able to
dissuade him from continuingthose attempts and she
immediately called the police,who fortunately responded and
was able to dissuade him fromcontinuing those attempts.
And she immediately called thepolice, who fortunately
responded, and they were able tofind him later on in her
neighborhood and it turned outthat he was a man who had just
been released from jail and wastrying to find some quick and
easy money.
Unfortunately for us all,stories of people trying to get
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into homes with nefarious intenthappen too often, to be honest.
But fortunately for us, ourdogs and other pets can
oftentimes scare people away andact as a deterrent, much like a
burglar alarm would.
They don't necessarily stopsomeone, but it might make
somebody decide that they wantto break into a different house
because your house is not worththe trouble and they'd rather go
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after an easy mark.
So we're going to be talkingtoday about is when our animal
friends go above and beyond toprotect the people they love and
the sanctuary of their homes.
When animals defend instead ofwhen animals attack.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
That's one thing I love about having my dogs is
they sound really scary becausethey're decent sized pit bulls.
But if people knew them they'dbe like oh, all I need to bring
is cheese and I'm in the door.
Rachel, you have like themurder chihuahuas, right?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Well, we have three.
One of them really is a murderchihuahua and he's 17 pounds,
but he sounds really big.
If you hear him only fromoutside, you might reasonably be
terrified.
Then we have two others who arepanic chihuahuas and little
bitty.
I think if you were to approachmy home without permission you
might think twice.
It sounds like we probably haveabout seven or eight of them in
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here.
You don't really know what'sgoing to happen if you're able
to like breach their defenses,so I hope that you know everyone
listening will forgetimmediately that my house is not
as well defended as it sounds.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So our first case that we're going to talk about,
I had a German Shepherd as a kidand he was like super
protective, like they're awonderful breed Not as cool as
my pit bulls, but I doappreciate German Shepherds.
So the first one we're going totalk about is Rex, the Hero Dog
.
So in Des Moines, iowa, therewas a case involving Rex.
Like I said, he was a Germandog.
So in Des Moines, iowa, therewas a case involving Rex.
Like I said, he was a Germanshepherd, and this occurred on
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February 21st of 2018.
So it kind of began when twoburglars broke into the home of
16-year-old Javier Mercado, whowas alone with his two-year-old
German shepherd, rex.
So, upon hearing the sound ofshattering glass from a sliding
door downstairs, rex immediatelyrushed to the front to kind of
confront the intruders and thebrave dog engaged with the
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burglars, who beat him severelybut, despite his injuries, rex
was able to return upstairs tocheck on Javier, who was hiding
in a closet while he was calling911.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So, as the burglars continued to ransack the house,
room by room, they eventuallyreached the bedroom where Javier
was hiding and Rex, thoughbadly injured, mustered his
remaining strength to protecthis owner.
The dog lunged at the intruderswho then shot Rex multiple
times.
Rex was hit at least threetimes, with three different
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bullets, striking his neck, legand knee.
The sound of the approachingsirens scared off the burglars,
who fled the scene before lawenforcement arrived.
When police entered the home,they found Javier safe in the
closet, but Rex, who initiallyappeared lifeless, was the
heroic dog at that point, rushedto Blue Pearl Veterinary
Partners in Renton, washington,for emergency treatment.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
He survived the ordeal.
After some serious medical carehe had surgery to repair a
fractured bone in his left hindleg with pins and screws.
There was a GoFundMe thatraised over $57,000 to cover his
medical expenses, which I thinkI've seen a lot of human
GoFundMes that don't have quitethat kind of turnout, but he had
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pain medication, antibiotics,wound care, the whole nine yards
.
He was eventually able toreturn home to his family,
that's awesome, I love that.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And $57,000.
I know vet bills are expensive,but holy heck.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
That's crazy, and $57,000.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I know vet bills are expensive but holy heck that's
crazy.
That's like a human surgery,but it's the things we do for
our pets.
So I know with my dog, doc, thefirst fible I had.
He was three-legged and he wasamazing, but I probably had
$30,000 in him by the time hepassed and would spend every
dime still.
But so, as for the criminalinvestigation, police were still
searching for the.
As for the criminalinvestigation, police were still
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searching for the suspectsafter the incident and the
authorities were trying todetermine why this house was
targeted, but no immediatearrests were reported.
In the aftermath of thebreak-in and to aid in the
investigation, a $50,000 rewardwas offered for information
leading to the identification ofthe responsible shooters, but
unfortunately they neveractually caught these
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individuals.
So though it doesn't have agood criminal justice finale, at
least it does have.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
The kid was safe and the dog survived happy ending
happy ending indeed, and justbecause you know, the bad guys
didn't get caught.
The more important part, um iseverybody, even the dog,
survived and we're able tocontinue on.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
So that's, that's a good, a good ending, I say and
because of rex's bravery, uh, hewas included in the heroic dog
awards from pA.
His story touched many hearts,highlighting the incredible bond
between humans and canines.
And God knows that I don't know.
I think my dogs would kind ofbe more like the Instagram
videos where the dog's likeeating the cheese as you hear
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the person getting attacked inthe background with a camera in
its paw.
That would be kind of mine, butI still think they love me.
So that is the story of a herodog.
So I think the next story to meis kind of the more interesting
one.
The last one's really great,but this one, I think, is really
interesting because it's a catand it's from kind of my home
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city.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
So I was going to let Rachel do it, since she's like
I'm not a cat person, I'm a dogperson.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I am a cat person and I lived in Indianapolis
relatively recently, so I'll getus started on this one.
This is the story of Binky, andI love this story.
In June 2017, we had CynthiaKutz in Indianapolis had a
frightening attempted homeinvasion, thwarted by an
unlikely hero her house catnamed Pinky.
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It was about midnight and shewas watching TV in her living
room and heard a disturbanceoutside.
She said she went to her garage, didn't find anything, went
back inside and there was a manbanging on her front patio
window trying to convince her tolet him in.
Obviously a stranger atmidnight, she's not going to do
that, so she refused to open thedoor.
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The intruder, later identifiedas 41-year-old Earl Scruggs,
became increasingly aggressivewhen she refused to let him in,
so then he tried to come inthrough a window and then Binky,
the cat, sort of sprang intoaction.
So the intruder, his hand, camethrough the window and Binky,
who is declawed but has sharpfangs, attacked the intruder's
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hand.
He tried again to come back andBinky attacked him again,
ending with significant injuriesto the would-be burglar's hand
and arm.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Coots attempted to call 911 for help.
However, she was initially puton hold, which added to her
distress.
So I kind of have a problemwith this, but I think this is
something that we've started tosee more across the country is
all areas of the criminaljustice system seem to be really
undermanned, understaffed andit's hard to get people.
This was 2018.
(09:15):
And, Rachel, I think you weresaying something where you kind
of ran into the same thing morerecently.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
It was 2023-ish.
I was driving down a road inIndianapolis and there was a
person just laid out in thestreet surrounded by other
people, but no apparentemergency response yet.
So I pulled over and called 911to make sure they were aware
that there was somebody in thestreet.
We need to have this checkedout.
I couldn't tell what hadhappened, but instead of 911,
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what is your emergency, which iswhat I'm accustomed to or what
is the location of youremergency?
I got an automated message thatwas like you have reached
Indianapolis 911 services.
Someone will be with you assoon as possible.
And it was like a very longthree or four minutes on hold
before somebody even came alongto sort of triage this emergency
and luckily, by the time I didget them on the line, they said
yes, they were aware and helpwas on the way and I started to
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hear a siren, so it was okay.
But I am alarmed to hear thisis a trend, at least in
Indianapolis and, I'm assuming,not just there.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I think it's happening more and more often.
I know when I was in Colorado Iwas lucky because I was mostly
in small jurisdictions and I gotto sit in dispatch for a lot of
time, which was really nice tosee how things worked behind the
scenes.
And I was amazed when I wasthere how many phone calls they
got that I wouldn't normallythink they would get.
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People called 911 to ask whattime court opened.
People called 911 asking forphone numbers for various
businesses and you knowdifferent services and things
that you wouldn't normally thinkpeople would call 911 for.
So I can definitely see whereresources would be stretched
thin.
Luckily, where we were, theyalways had somebody to answer
the phone.
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We were never bombarded withthat much, I think, because as a
rural community there weren'tthat many people.
So even though you only had twodispatchers because you never
wanted to have just one two wereable to handle all of the calls
who were coming in.
But I did hear from one of myfriends in Colorado Springs
recently that they had asituation where people were
trying to call 911.
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And I don't know exactly thedetails if they didn't get
answered or if they didn't getthe police dispatched in time,
but it resulted in somebodylosing their life and there was
a lawsuit over it and, from whatI understand, the result of the
lawsuit basically was policecan't be everywhere all the time
and if they can't respond thenthey can't respond.
It sets an interestingprecedent, if that actually
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holds.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
They can't respond.
It sets an interestingprecedent.
If that actually holds, it does, and I guess that makes sense,
because we want our emergencyservices to be agile.
We want them to be able torespond the best they can, and
if they're more worried aboutbeing sued, then maybe they have
to take a step back to coverthemselves.
So it's like public policy.
I understand why we might movein that direction.
As a member of the public whomight need to call 911 because
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there's a person in you know,lying out in the road, that does
cause me concern.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
And I think, especially like with my area of
research, with like massshootings and stuff, the three
to four, even just three to fourminutes, like you can have
dozens of people wounded orkilled in that short of time.
So I mean I know there's newtechnologies that are coming
along and stuff, but I think Icouldn't imagine for this woman
like three, four minutes andluckily you know who needs the
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cops when you have an asskicking cat.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah really.
Right?
Well, not everyone is thatlucky, and I am a cat person.
We have currently four cats,but I always have a bunch of
cats here.
I don't think there's a singleone of them I could count on to
come to my defense, Like Binky.
I think that's a very specialcat.
I love him.
This is what from 2017?
Is that right, so he couldstill be out there kicking ass
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and protecting his family?
I hope he is.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yes, that would be wonderful.
Right.
So Coots reported that whileshe was trying to get through to
police, Scruggs declared thatwell, I'm getting in, whether
anybody likes it or not.
But fortunately Binkyrepeatedly attacked Scruggs and
kept him at bay until policearrived, and I do like the fact
that it said significant wounds,so cat cutting in with their
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teeth.
So uh, coots, was said, uh,quoted as saying.
Well, next thing I knew, binkytook off again and this time he
tore the guy's hand and arm up.
This time he held onto that guyas I was, and all I seen was
fur going up.
When you're trying to directquote somebody sometimes it gets
really mouthy.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So when the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police
Department officers reached thescene, they arrested Earl
Shrugs for vandalism andresidential entry.
The officers were initiallyskeptical about a cat being
responsible for his injuries,but the evidence was clear.
Paramedics had to be called totreat his wounds inflicted by
binky, which were described assevere enough to make his hand
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blow up like a balloon.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Makes me wonder if he had like an allergy or
something as well, but I don'tknow Could have been.
Maybe cat's mouths are justreally dirty.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Could have been.
Maybe cats' mouths are justreally dirty.
I've actually heard that.
I've heard that they're likethe second most bacteria-ridden
mammal's mouth in existence, orsomething along those lines,
which I thought, oh, that'sinteresting, like I'm glad the
dogs are kissing us and not thecats.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Speak for yourselves.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I love my puppy kisses yes, I love my public
kisses.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yes, I would note Coots had owned Binky for about
six years at the time and saidhe had never been aggressive
before.
She described him as loyal bestfriend, protector and said she
was surprised by his heroicactions.
What I like about that is, youknow it was a big news story,
gained widespread attention andthinks Finkie is a hero, which
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obviously he is.
So, yes, I think dogs probablyhave the numbers win on
household protection, but youknow, occasionally a cat can
come through for us as well.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Which is awesome.
I love this.
And at the end she made astatement, a message to other
cat owners, and she said don'tmake your cat mean, don't hurt
them to get them mean.
Treat them like a normal cat.
In the end, the cat will takeup to you.
No matter what, he'll be loyalto you, which I thought was
awesome.
And I tried to find anythingabout the outcome on the
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criminal justice side of it and,according to the news article
that I found, it said that hewas charged with a residential
entry, which was a level sixfelony, but I couldn't actually
find the outcome of the case asfar as if he pled, if it went to
trial or what his sentencemight have been.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Which doesn't surprise me at all.
Indianapolis, just kind of likeand I think that's the thing
with sources and news articlesand things like that where we
try to look for things is, onceit gets to that point, a lot of
journalism nowadays and a lot ofsources just kind of drop off,
like you can check the police,slaughter and records and stuff,
but none of us are inIndianapolis to go down and talk
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to a detective or anything, andthat's kind of not what I do.
So we'll give you the facts,but we can't like do the follow
up and I like I love how this isa cat and a dog you know I'm
big on both those but the laststory I think maybe my favorite
in history, because this is asquirrel that kicks a kid's ass.
So I am all about this Likefuck a cat and dog.
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I need a squirrel, obviouslylike.
So this is a story of joey, whoI have deemed the badass
squirrel.
So in early 2017, adam andcarmen, pearl of meridian idaho,
took in an orphaned squirrelthey named joey, found in a
flower garden by a friend'sdaughter.
Joy was approximately one weekroughly when they got him um and
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still had his eyes closed, sothe Pearls took to feeding him
every two hours and keeping himalive while he was a helpless
infant, with the goal ofeventually setting him free.
So Joey adapted well to thisdomestic life.
He became very playful andaffectionate.
Adam, who found him kind of,described him as kind of like a
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cat, noting that he would runaround for people's attention.
He even trained himself to usea litter box and developed a
taste for Whopper candies.
So but one day he has to jumpin action and take on the
heroics of Binky the Cat.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
So on the day of the burglary, which was on Tuesday
February, the 14th of 2017, adamPearl returned home to find
signs of a break-in and therewas snow prints leading to the
back of the house.
Several doors were left openand there were scratches
immediately around the gun safeslocking area, so Adam
immediately contacted the policedepartment.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I do kind of want to point here that I think there's
like a real big, importanttakeaway from this is A he had
his guns in a safe and one ofthe things we do know of a lot
of guns that are illegally onthe streets and bought and sold.
Many of them come from homebreak-ins and entries and things
like that.
So I do give respect that thiskind of points out like the
importance of having a gun safeand keeping your guns locked up.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Definitely I mean it's, and also with kids.
It's always good to have thosethings locked away if you have
kids around, and even if youdon't have kids yourself, you
never know when you might havekids visiting your home.
So it's always good to havethings like that accounted for
and stored responsibly.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yeah, what we had had learned.
Adam called the police.
What we later learned is duringthe burglary attempt, joey the
squirrel had confronted theintruder.
So when the police officer,officer Turner, arrived to
investigate the break-in, joeystartled her by scurrying
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between her legs and she didsome investigating.
She returned several hourslater having recovered stolen
items and she also brought newsabout Joey's role in thwarting
this crime.
And what she told them is thenthe burglar was identified as a
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juvenile male with a history ofrun-ins with the police.
So they found him, they startedasking him questions and they
noticed some visible scratcheson his hands.
So they asked him about thescratches and he confessed yeah,
the damn thing kept attackingme, it wouldn't stop until I
left.
So he straight up admitted thatthe squirrel attack scared him
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because he wasn't expecting tohave a squirrel come flying out
of nowhere at him and that isthe reason that he was stopped
earlier than he wanted to be.
He said he had entered three orfour unlocked homes, but in the
Pearl home he only stole twoitems before Joey got to him.
It was a pack of cigarettes anda gun magazine full of bullets.
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So he said, due to Joey'sunexpected assault, he only took
what he could and left as fastas he could.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I will have to say, if I was a police officer,
called to a home and a squirrelstarted running through my legs,
I would freak out.
I've had a lot of weird animals, but the squirrel definitely
would take the cake.
And the fact that the squirrellike basically kicked this kid's
ass, like let's just call itwhat it was it's pretty funny.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
So Officer Turner reported that the suspect would
typically steal more items, butbecause of Joey's intervention
his theft was limited.
The juvenile was arrested andpolice recovered about 90% of
the items from the fourburglaries he had committed.
Due to his status as a minor,the suspect's name was not
released to the public.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So again, that was kind of one of those sadly one
of the stories that made youthink like there's a reason you
have locks on your doors.
We see it with cars too peoplegoing through parking lots just
trying every car door until theycan get into one.
A lot of takeaways from thestory on keeping your guns
locked up as well as lockingyour doors.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And keeping attack squirrels.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yes, attack squirrels .
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Ideally, yes, and I have to imagine that, although
his name has not been madepublic, I really like to picture
this juvenile growing up and,you know, telling his kids or
the neighbors, or a scaredstraight programmer or whoever
right hey guys, no, listen,don't be stupid.
I was stupid and here's thecrazy stuff that happened to me.
Maybe he's got scars, I don'tknow, but I hope that he is out
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there trying to encourage othersto make different choices.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I just imagine like you're in jail or prison and
somebody is like how did you getcaught?
And you're like I got my asskicked by a squirrel.
Like how that goes down.
Like these big bad, like gangmembers and stuff, were like
yeah, man, I got caught by thepolice.
I was chased for hours.
I fought three of them.
Man who caught you A squirrel?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
A squirrel, that's right.
Can you imagine his nicknames?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Joey's bitch.
Yeah, joey's heroic act gainedwidespread attention, which, of
course, a lot of these storiesdo.
I mean, when animals do stufflike this, it catches media
attention, with news outletsacross the country reporting on
the unusual story.
Adam Pearl rewarded Joey withhis favorite treat, which was
Whopper's candies.
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First time I was like hoping itwas a Whopper sandwich, but
it's a candy, so the incidentsparked conversations about
unexpected home securitymeasures.
Despite Joey's newfound fame,the Pearls decided to follow
through with their originalplans, so they did release him
in June of 2017, about fourmonths after the burglary.
So Joey said his goodbyes andwas released back into the wild.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I didn't know that people could do that
successfully.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I didn't either.
Like I'm always worried, likewhen you domesticate an animal,
like how it's really going tosurvive once you put it back out
there.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Mm-hmm, I think it depends on the species.
Just from what I've seen, Iknow squirrels have memories.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I had a cat that caught a squirrel out in our
yard and the cat had half thatsquirrel in its mouth.
Years later there are stillsquirrels running around my yard
that when they see me willthrow stuff out of the tree at
me and that one squirrel used tothrow stuff at the cat.
They can remember stuff.
They're like the crows of thefour-legged animal world.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Well, you know, it sounds like Joey was maybe a
little more wild than mostdomesticated squirrels, if
that's a thing, so maybe he wasbetter suited to life back
outdoors.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I just kind of hope now he's out like solving crimes
in neighborhoods.
I just kind of hope now he'sout like solving crimes in
neighborhoods.
He's got a little cape now andhe's like flying across like
power lines.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
He's actually just following around, that same
unnamed juvenile, making surethat he stays on the straight
and narrow.
Now, like that's his ownpersonal, like Jiminy Cricket,
that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Just a video of two squirrel eyes at his window at
night, like just staring at himRight, Just like points his
fingers at his window at nightlike just staring at him Right,
Just like points his fingers athis eyes and back and forth.
I see you, that's amazing.
But I think, like all of theselike yeah, they're lighthearted
stories I think when you reallylook at them there's a lot
deeper scary, especially thefirst one.
I mean, these people were armedwith a gun.
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Obviously they were willing tokill somebody, they were willing
to kill an animal and, as weknow through psychology, a lot
of people willing to harmanimals are willing to kill
humans.
I think the good thing iseverybody in these survived.
There was a couple of storiesthat I had where either the
animal didn't or the humans orthe people didn't.
A couple were parrots solvedcrimes and stuff.
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But I didn't want to do that.
I wanted some lighthearted,like the animal survives,
everybody survives, Even ifsomebody got away at least the
kid survived Happily ever after.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Yes, and although we don't have any info here about
whether any of the animals weretrained to do this, I mean,
conceivably a German shepherdhad some intended role in home
security.
I like I, a German Shepherd,had some intended role in home
security.
I like these stories becausethey just feel like family right
.
If someone breaks into yourhouse, your mom, your dad, your
uncle will step up and protectyou, and apparently also your
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four-footed family members mayas well.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And I think it very much changes that concept of oh,
they're just dumb pets Like.
Oh no, obviously they haveemotions, they can sense
people's intentions, good or bad, and they can react.
So does anybody else haveanything they want to add to
this episode?
Before we wrap things up forthe audience, Nothing that I can
think of.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Only that I'm going to tell my husband I think we
need to get a squirrel.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Are you sure he doesn't have any already?
Never sure.
Laying around in the backyardin foxholes just waiting to
attack?
Don't give him this idea,because if you tell your husband
, heather tells her husband,then there's going to be an army
of squirrels that are going tobe trained, and it's just that
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All right, so welcome to Deviant Criminology.
I'm Richard, I'm Heather andI'm Richard.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm Heather.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And I'm Rachel and we have Rachel back.
So this is the first episode ina while we've had Rachel back,
so it is great to see you.
So this week we want to talkabout something kind of a little
bit more lighthearted as we gointo this, starting to release
every week thing.
So one thing that I know I'm abig fan of and I have is my pets
thing.
So one thing that I know I'm abig fan of and I have is my pets
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.
What we kind of want to do iskind of some weird stories where
individuals have either beenprotected by their pets or pets
have defended them fromintruders and things like that.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So, heather, if you want to kind of share the story
you had, Sure, we often heartales of people trying to break
into houses and dogs scaringthem off before the person
actually enters the house.
I actually have a friend whowas home with her two young
children when a man tried tobreak into their home and it was
the middle of the day.
Her dogs, because of howaggressive they got towards the
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man who was trying to break inthrough their door, was able to
dissuade him from continuingthose attempts and she
immediately called the police,who fortunately responded and
was able to dissuade him fromcontinuing those attempts.
And she immediately called thepolice, who fortunately
responded, and they were able tofind him later on in her
neighborhood and it turned outthat he was a man who had just
been released from jail and wastrying to find some quick and
easy money.
Unfortunately for us all,stories of people trying to get
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into homes with nefarious intenthappen too often, to be honest.
But fortunately for us, ourdogs and other pets can
oftentimes scare people away andact as a deterrent, much like a
burglar alarm would.
They don't necessarily stopsomeone, but it might make
somebody decide that they wantto break into a different house
because your house is not worththe trouble and they'd rather go
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after an easy mark.
So we're going to be talkingtoday about is when our animal
friends go above and beyond toprotect the people they love and
the sanctuary of their homes.
When animals defend instead ofwhen animals attack.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
That's one thing I love about having my dogs is
they sound really scary becausethey're decent sized pit bulls.
But if people knew them they'dbe like oh, all I need to bring
is cheese and I'm in the door.
Rachel, you have like themurder chihuahuas, right?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Well, we have three.
One of them really is a murderchihuahua and he's 17 pounds,
but he sounds really big.
If you hear him only fromoutside, you might reasonably be
terrified.
Then we have two others who arepanic chihuahuas and little
bitty.
I think if you were to approachmy home without permission you
might think twice.
It sounds like we probably haveabout seven or eight of them in
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here.
You don't really know what'sgoing to happen if you're able
to like breach their defenses,so I hope that you know everyone
listening will forgetimmediately that my house is not
as well defended as it sounds.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So our first case that we're going to talk about,
I had a German Shepherd as a kidand he was like super
protective, like they're awonderful breed Not as cool as
my pit bulls, but I doappreciate German Shepherds.
So the first one we're going totalk about is Rex, the Hero Dog
.
So in Des Moines, iowa, therewas a case involving Rex.
Like I said, he was a Germandog.
So in Des Moines, iowa, therewas a case involving Rex.
Like I said, he was a Germanshepherd, and this occurred on
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February 21st of 2018.
So it kind of began when twoburglars broke into the home of
16-year-old Javier Mercado, whowas alone with his two-year-old
German shepherd, rex.
So, upon hearing the sound ofshattering glass from a sliding
door downstairs, rex immediatelyrushed to the front to kind of
confront the intruders and thebrave dog engaged with the
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burglars, who beat him severelybut, despite his injuries, rex
was able to return upstairs tocheck on Javier, who was hiding
in a closet while he was calling911.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So, as the burglars continued to ransack the house,
room by room, they eventuallyreached the bedroom where Javier
was hiding and Rex, thoughbadly injured, mustered his
remaining strength to protecthis owner.
The dog lunged at the intruderswho then shot Rex multiple
times.
Rex was hit at least threetimes, with three different
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bullets, striking his neck, legand knee.
The sound of the approachingsirens scared off the burglars,
who fled the scene before lawenforcement arrived.
When police entered the home,they found Javier safe in the
closet, but Rex, who initiallyappeared lifeless, was the
heroic dog at that point, rushedto Blue Pearl Veterinary
Partners in Renton, washington,for emergency treatment.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
He survived the ordeal.
After some serious medical carehe had surgery to repair a
fractured bone in his left hindleg with pins and screws.
There was a GoFundMe thatraised over $57,000 to cover his
medical expenses, which I thinkI've seen a lot of human
GoFundMes that don't have quitethat kind of turnout, but he had
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pain medication, antibiotics,wound care, the whole nine yards
.
He was eventually able toreturn home to his family,
that's awesome, I love that.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And $57,000.
I know vet bills are expensive,but holy heck.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
That's crazy, and $57,000.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I know vet bills are expensive but holy heck that's
crazy.
That's like a human surgery,but it's the things we do for
our pets.
So I know with my dog, doc, thefirst fible I had.
He was three-legged and he wasamazing, but I probably had
$30,000 in him by the time hepassed and would spend every
dime still.
But so, as for the criminalinvestigation, police were still
searching for the.
As for the criminalinvestigation, police were still
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searching for the suspectsafter the incident and the
authorities were trying todetermine why this house was
targeted, but no immediatearrests were reported.
In the aftermath of thebreak-in and to aid in the
investigation, a $50,000 rewardwas offered for information
leading to the identification ofthe responsible shooters, but
unfortunately they neveractually caught these
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individuals.
So though it doesn't have agood criminal justice finale, at
least it does have.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
The kid was safe and the dog survived happy ending
happy ending indeed, and justbecause you know, the bad guys
didn't get caught.
The more important part, um iseverybody, even the dog,
survived and we're able tocontinue on.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
So that's, that's a good, a good ending, I say and
because of rex's bravery, uh, hewas included in the heroic dog
awards from pA.
His story touched many hearts,highlighting the incredible bond
between humans and canines.
And God knows that I don't know.
I think my dogs would kind ofbe more like the Instagram
videos where the dog's likeeating the cheese as you hear
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the person getting attacked inthe background with a camera in
its paw.
That would be kind of mine, butI still think they love me.
So that is the story of a herodog.
So I think the next story to meis kind of the more interesting
one.
The last one's really great,but this one, I think, is really
interesting because it's a catand it's from kind of my home
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city.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
So I was going to let Rachel do it, since she's like
I'm not a cat person, I'm a dogperson.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I am a cat person and I lived in Indianapolis
relatively recently, so I'll getus started on this one.
This is the story of Binky, andI love this story.
In June 2017, we had CynthiaKutz in Indianapolis had a
frightening attempted homeinvasion, thwarted by an
unlikely hero her house catnamed Pinky.
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It was about midnight and shewas watching TV in her living
room and heard a disturbanceoutside.
She said she went to her garage, didn't find anything, went
back inside and there was a manbanging on her front patio
window trying to convince her tolet him in.
Obviously a stranger atmidnight, she's not going to do
that, so she refused to open thedoor.
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The intruder, later identifiedas 41-year-old Earl Scruggs,
became increasingly aggressivewhen she refused to let him in,
so then he tried to come inthrough a window and then Binky,
the cat, sort of sprang intoaction.
So the intruder, his hand, camethrough the window and Binky,
who is declawed but has sharpfangs, attacked the intruder's
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hand.
He tried again to come back andBinky attacked him again,
ending with significant injuriesto the would-be burglar's hand
and arm.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Coots attempted to call 911 for help.
However, she was initially puton hold, which added to her
distress.
So I kind of have a problemwith this, but I think this is
something that we've started tosee more across the country is
all areas of the criminaljustice system seem to be really
undermanned, understaffed andit's hard to get people.
This was 2018.
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And, Rachel, I think you weresaying something where you kind
of ran into the same thing morerecently.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
It was 2023-ish.
I was driving down a road inIndianapolis and there was a
person just laid out in thestreet surrounded by other
people, but no apparentemergency response yet.
So I pulled over and called 911to make sure they were aware
that there was somebody in thestreet.
We need to have this checkedout.
I couldn't tell what hadhappened, but instead of 911,
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what is your emergency, which iswhat I'm accustomed to or what
is the location of youremergency?
I got an automated message thatwas like you have reached
Indianapolis 911 services.
Someone will be with you assoon as possible.
And it was like a very longthree or four minutes on hold
before somebody even came alongto sort of triage this emergency
and luckily, by the time I didget them on the line, they said
yes, they were aware and helpwas on the way and I started to
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hear a siren, so it was okay.
But I am alarmed to hear thisis a trend, at least in
Indianapolis and, I'm assuming,not just there.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I think it's happening more and more often.
I know when I was in Colorado Iwas lucky because I was mostly
in small jurisdictions and I gotto sit in dispatch for a lot of
time, which was really nice tosee how things worked behind the
scenes.
And I was amazed when I wasthere how many phone calls they
got that I wouldn't normallythink they would get.
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People called 911 to ask whattime court opened.
People called 911 asking forphone numbers for various
businesses and you knowdifferent services and things
that you wouldn't normally thinkpeople would call 911 for.
So I can definitely see whereresources would be stretched
thin.
Luckily, where we were, theyalways had somebody to answer
the phone.
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We were never bombarded withthat much, I think, because as a
rural community there weren'tthat many people.
So even though you only had twodispatchers because you never
wanted to have just one two wereable to handle all of the calls
who were coming in.
But I did hear from one of myfriends in Colorado Springs
recently that they had asituation where people were
trying to call 911.
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And I don't know exactly thedetails if they didn't get
answered or if they didn't getthe police dispatched in time,
but it resulted in somebodylosing their life and there was
a lawsuit over it and, from whatI understand, the result of the
lawsuit basically was policecan't be everywhere all the time
and if they can't respond thenthey can't respond.
It sets an interestingprecedent, if that actually
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holds.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
They can't respond.
It sets an interestingprecedent.
If that actually holds, it does, and I guess that makes sense,
because we want our emergencyservices to be agile.
We want them to be able torespond the best they can, and
if they're more worried aboutbeing sued, then maybe they have
to take a step back to coverthemselves.
So it's like public policy.
I understand why we might movein that direction.
As a member of the public whomight need to call 911 because
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there's a person in you know,lying out in the road, that does
cause me concern.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
And I think, especially like with my area of
research, with like massshootings and stuff, the three
to four, even just three to fourminutes, like you can have
dozens of people wounded orkilled in that short of time.
So I mean I know there's newtechnologies that are coming
along and stuff, but I think Icouldn't imagine for this woman
like three, four minutes andluckily you know who needs the
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cops when you have an asskicking cat.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah really.
Right?
Well, not everyone is thatlucky, and I am a cat person.
We have currently four cats,but I always have a bunch of
cats here.
I don't think there's a singleone of them I could count on to
come to my defense, Like Binky.
I think that's a very specialcat.
I love him.
This is what from 2017?
Is that right, so he couldstill be out there kicking ass
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and protecting his family?
I hope he is.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yes, that would be wonderful.
Right.
So Coots reported that whileshe was trying to get through to
police, Scruggs declared thatwell, I'm getting in, whether
anybody likes it or not.
But fortunately Binkyrepeatedly attacked Scruggs and
kept him at bay until policearrived, and I do like the fact
that it said significant wounds,so cat cutting in with their
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teeth.
So uh, coots, was said, uh,quoted as saying.
Well, next thing I knew, binkytook off again and this time he
tore the guy's hand and arm up.
This time he held onto that guyas I was, and all I seen was
fur going up.
When you're trying to directquote somebody sometimes it gets
really mouthy.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So when the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police
Department officers reached thescene, they arrested Earl
Shrugs for vandalism andresidential entry.
The officers were initiallyskeptical about a cat being
responsible for his injuries,but the evidence was clear.
Paramedics had to be called totreat his wounds inflicted by
binky, which were described assevere enough to make his hand
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blow up like a balloon.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Makes me wonder if he had like an allergy or
something as well, but I don'tknow Could have been.
Maybe cat's mouths are justreally dirty.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Could have been.
Maybe cats' mouths are justreally dirty.
I've actually heard that.
I've heard that they're likethe second most bacteria-ridden
mammal's mouth in existence, orsomething along those lines,
which I thought, oh, that'sinteresting, like I'm glad the
dogs are kissing us and not thecats.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Speak for yourselves.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I love my puppy kisses yes, I love my public
kisses.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yes, I would note Coots had owned Binky for about
six years at the time and saidhe had never been aggressive
before.
She described him as loyal bestfriend, protector and said she
was surprised by his heroicactions.
What I like about that is, youknow it was a big news story,
gained widespread attention andthinks Finkie is a hero, which
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obviously he is.
So, yes, I think dogs probablyhave the numbers win on
household protection, but youknow, occasionally a cat can
come through for us as well.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Which is awesome.
I love this.
And at the end she made astatement, a message to other
cat owners, and she said don'tmake your cat mean, don't hurt
them to get them mean.
Treat them like a normal cat.
In the end, the cat will takeup to you.
No matter what, he'll be loyalto you, which I thought was
awesome.
And I tried to find anythingabout the outcome on the
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criminal justice side of it and,according to the news article
that I found, it said that hewas charged with a residential
entry, which was a level sixfelony, but I couldn't actually
find the outcome of the case asfar as if he pled, if it went to
trial or what his sentencemight have been.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Which doesn't surprise me at all.
Indianapolis, just kind of likeand I think that's the thing
with sources and news articlesand things like that where we
try to look for things is, onceit gets to that point, a lot of
journalism nowadays and a lot ofsources just kind of drop off,
like you can check the police,slaughter and records and stuff,
but none of us are inIndianapolis to go down and talk
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to a detective or anything, andthat's kind of not what I do.
So we'll give you the facts,but we can't like do the follow
up and I like I love how this isa cat and a dog you know I'm
big on both those but the laststory I think maybe my favorite
in history, because this is asquirrel that kicks a kid's ass.
So I am all about this Likefuck a cat and dog.
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I need a squirrel, obviouslylike.
So this is a story of joey, whoI have deemed the badass
squirrel.
So in early 2017, adam andcarmen, pearl of meridian idaho,
took in an orphaned squirrelthey named joey, found in a
flower garden by a friend'sdaughter.
Joy was approximately one weekroughly when they got him um and
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still had his eyes closed, sothe Pearls took to feeding him
every two hours and keeping himalive while he was a helpless
infant, with the goal ofeventually setting him free.
So Joey adapted well to thisdomestic life.
He became very playful andaffectionate.
Adam, who found him kind of,described him as kind of like a
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cat, noting that he would runaround for people's attention.
He even trained himself to usea litter box and developed a
taste for Whopper candies.
So but one day he has to jumpin action and take on the
heroics of Binky the Cat.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
So on the day of the burglary, which was on Tuesday
February, the 14th of 2017, adamPearl returned home to find
signs of a break-in and therewas snow prints leading to the
back of the house.
Several doors were left openand there were scratches
immediately around the gun safeslocking area, so Adam
immediately contacted the policedepartment.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I do kind of want to point here that I think there's
like a real big, importanttakeaway from this is A he had
his guns in a safe and one ofthe things we do know of a lot
of guns that are illegally onthe streets and bought and sold.
Many of them come from homebreak-ins and entries and things
like that.
So I do give respect that thiskind of points out like the
importance of having a gun safeand keeping your guns locked up.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Definitely I mean it's, and also with kids.
It's always good to have thosethings locked away if you have
kids around, and even if youdon't have kids yourself, you
never know when you might havekids visiting your home.
So it's always good to havethings like that accounted for
and stored responsibly.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yeah, what we had had learned.
Adam called the police.
What we later learned is duringthe burglary attempt, joey the
squirrel had confronted theintruder.
So when the police officer,officer Turner, arrived to
investigate the break-in, joeystartled her by scurrying
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between her legs and she didsome investigating.
She returned several hourslater having recovered stolen
items and she also brought newsabout Joey's role in thwarting
this crime.
And what she told them is thenthe burglar was identified as a
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juvenile male with a history ofrun-ins with the police.
So they found him, they startedasking him questions and they
noticed some visible scratcheson his hands.
So they asked him about thescratches and he confessed yeah,
the damn thing kept attackingme, it wouldn't stop until I
left.
So he straight up admitted thatthe squirrel attack scared him
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because he wasn't expecting tohave a squirrel come flying out
of nowhere at him and that isthe reason that he was stopped
earlier than he wanted to be.
He said he had entered three orfour unlocked homes, but in the
Pearl home he only stole twoitems before Joey got to him.
It was a pack of cigarettes anda gun magazine full of bullets.
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So he said, due to Joey'sunexpected assault, he only took
what he could and left as fastas he could.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I will have to say, if I was a police officer,
called to a home and a squirrelstarted running through my legs,
I would freak out.
I've had a lot of weird animals, but the squirrel definitely
would take the cake.
And the fact that the squirrellike basically kicked this kid's
ass, like let's just call itwhat it was it's pretty funny.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
So Officer Turner reported that the suspect would
typically steal more items, butbecause of Joey's intervention
his theft was limited.
The juvenile was arrested andpolice recovered about 90% of
the items from the fourburglaries he had committed.
Due to his status as a minor,the suspect's name was not
released to the public.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So again, that was kind of one of those sadly one
of the stories that made youthink like there's a reason you
have locks on your doors.
We see it with cars too peoplegoing through parking lots just
trying every car door until theycan get into one.
A lot of takeaways from thestory on keeping your guns
locked up as well as lockingyour doors.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And keeping attack squirrels.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yes, attack squirrels .
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Ideally, yes, and I have to imagine that, although
his name has not been madepublic, I really like to picture
this juvenile growing up and,you know, telling his kids or
the neighbors, or a scaredstraight programmer or whoever
right hey guys, no, listen,don't be stupid.
I was stupid and here's thecrazy stuff that happened to me.
Maybe he's got scars, I don'tknow, but I hope that he is out
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there trying to encourage othersto make different choices.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I just imagine like you're in jail or prison and
somebody is like how did you getcaught?
And you're like I got my asskicked by a squirrel.
Like how that goes down.
Like these big bad, like gangmembers and stuff, were like
yeah, man, I got caught by thepolice.
I was chased for hours.
I fought three of them.
Man who caught you A squirrel?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
A squirrel, that's right.
Can you imagine his nicknames?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Joey's bitch.
Yeah, joey's heroic act gainedwidespread attention, which, of
course, a lot of these storiesdo.
I mean, when animals do stufflike this, it catches media
attention, with news outletsacross the country reporting on
the unusual story.
Adam Pearl rewarded Joey withhis favorite treat, which was
Whopper's candies.
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First time I was like hoping itwas a Whopper sandwich, but
it's a candy, so the incidentsparked conversations about
unexpected home securitymeasures.
Despite Joey's newfound fame,the Pearls decided to follow
through with their originalplans, so they did release him
in June of 2017, about fourmonths after the burglary.
So Joey said his goodbyes andwas released back into the wild.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I didn't know that people could do that
successfully.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I didn't either.
Like I'm always worried, likewhen you domesticate an animal,
like how it's really going tosurvive once you put it back out
there.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Mm-hmm, I think it depends on the species.
Just from what I've seen, Iknow squirrels have memories.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I had a cat that caught a squirrel out in our
yard and the cat had half thatsquirrel in its mouth.
Years later there are stillsquirrels running around my yard
that when they see me willthrow stuff out of the tree at
me and that one squirrel used tothrow stuff at the cat.
They can remember stuff.
They're like the crows of thefour-legged animal world.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Well, you know, it sounds like Joey was maybe a
little more wild than mostdomesticated squirrels, if
that's a thing, so maybe he wasbetter suited to life back
outdoors.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I just kind of hope now he's out like solving crimes
in neighborhoods.
I just kind of hope now he'sout like solving crimes in
neighborhoods.
He's got a little cape now andhe's like flying across like
power lines.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
He's actually just following around, that same
unnamed juvenile, making surethat he stays on the straight
and narrow.
Now, like that's his ownpersonal, like Jiminy Cricket,
that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Just a video of two squirrel eyes at his window at
night, like just staring at himRight, Just like points his
fingers at his window at nightlike just staring at him Right,
Just like points his fingers athis eyes and back and forth.
I see you, that's amazing.
But I think, like all of theselike yeah, they're lighthearted
stories I think when you reallylook at them there's a lot
deeper scary, especially thefirst one.
I mean, these people were armedwith a gun.
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Obviously they were willing tokill somebody, they were willing
to kill an animal and, as weknow through psychology, a lot
of people willing to harmanimals are willing to kill
humans.
I think the good thing iseverybody in these survived.
There was a couple of storiesthat I had where either the
animal didn't or the humans orthe people didn't.
A couple were parrots solvedcrimes and stuff.
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But I didn't want to do that.
I wanted some lighthearted,like the animal survives,
everybody survives, Even ifsomebody got away at least the
kid survived Happily ever after.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Yes, and although we don't have any info here about
whether any of the animals weretrained to do this, I mean,
conceivably a German shepherdhad some intended role in home
security.
I like I, a German Shepherd,had some intended role in home
security.
I like these stories becausethey just feel like family right
.
If someone breaks into yourhouse, your mom, your dad, your
uncle will step up and protectyou, and apparently also your
(25:06):
four-footed family members mayas well.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And I think it very much changes that concept of oh,
they're just dumb pets Like.
Oh no, obviously they haveemotions, they can sense
people's intentions, good or bad, and they can react.
So does anybody else haveanything they want to add to
this episode?
Before we wrap things up forthe audience, Nothing that I can
think of.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Only that I'm going to tell my husband I think we
need to get a squirrel.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Are you sure he doesn't have any already?
Never sure.
Laying around in the backyardin foxholes just waiting to
attack?
Don't give him this idea,because if you tell your husband
, heather tells her husband,then there's going to be an army
of squirrels that are going tobe trained, and it's just that
(25:56):
would be hilarious.
I still want to do it withcrows, but so, rachel, it is
good to have you back.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Good to be back.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
And I hope you enjoyed this episode.
Thank you for listening.
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podcast.
This is created with love andpassion for criminal justice and
true crime.
So if you're enjoying thepodcast, please follow us, like
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(26:26):
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I don't care if you even screamat strangers on the streets.
To help us kind of get outthere who we are.
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