April 13, 2025 • 65 mins
What thoughts are you desperately clinging to? In this deeply personal conversation, Brian and Brian explore the challenging process of releasing control and allowing God to renew our minds.
Using a powerful image of a person stubbornly holding ropes that represent entrenched thought patterns, we examine why we resist transformation. The ropes may feel like strength—evidence of our self-reliance—but they're actually binding us in ways we don't recognize. Through Scripture and personal stories, we unpack Romans 12:2 and what it truly means to undergo "a total reformation of how you think."
Why do men especially struggle to release control and trust God with their innermost thoughts and feelings? We dive into the vulnerability required to admit we can't change ourselves. The real battle isn't just behavioral modification but addressing the root lies we've believed about God, ourselves, and our circumstances.
If you've ever found yourself paddling madly upstream while God invites you to trust Him and go over the waterfall, this episode offers hope. We explore how the Holy Spirit reveals "things freely given to us by God" (1 Corinthians 2:12) and how Scripture washes away old mindsets. Most powerfully, we discover that sometimes the most difficult spiritual work isn't doing more—it's letting go.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
like he's more than willing to bring freedom, but
I've trusted in this system thatI've set up for so long, right
that I don't know anything else,and it's absolutely
horrifyingly, freaking me out tohave to say yes, I have to
trust somebody else.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yo, good morning, what's happening?
Good morning, what's up.
Man, brian and Brian here withthe Die A Little More podcast
and just want to say what's up.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
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Speaker 2 (00:51):
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(01:13):
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(01:33):
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Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, no negative comments.
That gets you fired, that'sright.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
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Speaker 3 (01:57):
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Yes, I like that idea.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That's really good.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
There's your hat.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, thanks, oh man.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, we appreciate all you guys listening.
This has been a fun littlejourney for us and a little
adventure trying to do these,trying to minister to not just
others but also ourselves.
It's funny.
We both go back and we bothlisten periodically to the
different podcasts that we'vedone and almost every single
(02:33):
time it hits us in a differentway than it did when we actually
recorded it.
Yeah, so it's kind of neat whenwe go back and listen to the
things that we've talked about,it actually, in turn, ends up
ministering back to us.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, I think I called you the other day.
I was like, do you ever getlike all emotional and messed up
listening to our own podcast?
Yes, yeah, so, like, who knows?
Like maybe it's just for us,but actually it's not true.
We've both had really cool, acouple of cool interactions that
were like very like uh, natural, like um, I had I've had a
(03:09):
couple people say you know, hey,I've been listening to the
podcast and it really ministersto me and like I was like what,
like how did you even hear aboutit?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
like yeah, yeah, yeah , I had a friend of mine that,
um, I had sent it to and wasgoing through some stuff and he
listened I think it was just tothe first episode and he, he was
just so excited about it, got aton of insights from it and
wanted me to call him so hecould, he could talk to me and
tell me the things that he, thathe got from it.
(03:38):
But he said it was everythingthat he was going through and
then it just really ministeredto him.
So I know that we've talkedback and forth just about, you
know, maybe lighting up a fewtimes or doing something a
little bit different for thepodcast, because we always end
up just going right back to this, to the things that we talk
about, you know, but it justseems like that's just the way
the Lord's directing everything.
Yeah.
(03:59):
You know, it's where everybody'sat.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You know, I think you said you had somebody approach
you and tell you that they, theylove the podcast and to to keep
doing what we were doingbecause nobody was talking about
that stuff.
Yeah, yeah, I said to him.
I said to him yeah, you thinkwe should like lighten it up or
anything.
Sometimes I feel like it'sheavy and he's like no, no, no,
no, no, you know, cause, likemost, most, most of the time,
you're not hearing somethingthat's going that deep, like on
a Sunday morning, or somethingyou know.
Yeah.
Yeah, so all right, we'll justkeep doing what we're doing.
All right.
(04:29):
Game on.
I told Brian yesterday.
I said you know some people arecalled like to like certain
like areas.
You know like they might becalled to like.
You know like a really darkneighborhood or like a country
that has like a lot of you knowwhatever stuff going on, like a
country that has like a lot ofyou know whatever stuff going on
and like.
But I was like I feel likewe're called to like that, that
dark part of men's hearts youknow, the part where guys don't
(04:52):
want to go down there.
Nobody, nobody wants to go downthat street, you know, nobody
wants to open up that wound andand weirdly, unfortunately or
fortunately, I'm not sure theLord has taken us both through
those neighborhoods in our ownlives.
So we just have such a heartfor finding guys where they're
(05:15):
at.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So I heard this guy speakingthe other day.
I actually heard two guysspeaking and they both used this
verse and I tried to look it up, but I can't find it.
I know it's in, I think, 2Corinthians, but it says like
the Holy Spirit reveals to usthe things that he has freely
(05:38):
given to us.
It was like, I think it's in 2Corinthians, I thought it was
like 2.12 or something like that, but I'm not seeing it right
now, but I don't know.
If you want to look it up, yeah,but basically, you know, I just
thought, like man, we need topray this morning that the Holy
(06:03):
Spirit would reveal to us, like,all the wonderful things, all
the gifts that he's given us andall the stuff that he's doing
in our lives.
So, yeah, I'll just start withsome prayer.
Lord, we love you, we comebefore you.
Lord, we get on our knees, lord, in a posture of Lord.
Would you speak to us, lord?
Would you comfort us?
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Would you reveal to us, lord,all you comfort us?
Would you reveal to us, lord,all of the wonderful things that
you have prepared for us, lord?
God, we're just thankful, lord,that you found us, lord, and
that you came and you picked usup, lord, and that we're just
one of your own Lord.
So this morning we just thankyou for that and, yeah, just be
(06:46):
with us in this podcast and bewith anybody who's listening and
just touch their hearts andtheir souls.
So, jesus name, amen.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Was it the Passion Translation?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I don't know, I don't think it was, but what do you
got?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
First Corinthians, 12 , 11.
Is that it?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I don I don't know you know it's funny I don't
think it was, but like you knowthat verse that says like um, no
eye has seen and no ear hasheard yeah yeah, it's like right
after that, um, um, yeah, Idon't know.
But what?
What a great start to thepodcast.
I'm talking about bible verse.
I have no idea about that'swhat we do.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
We're men.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
We don't ask for directions, we just shoot from
the hip.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
It's in there, you couldn't get any more man than
that.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
It's in the book.
You know the thingy, the manualIs that it, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Hold on.
That's right after that verse.
Yeah, let's see.
That's literally the scriptureright after that no, I S C, no E
R S R E, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oh, yeah, okay, Okay, cool, awesome, you found it.
So, yeah, it is.
Oh, it's 1 Corinthians.
I was looking in 2 Corinthians,1 Corinthians 12, 2.
It says Now, we too.
It says, um, now we havereceived not the spirit of the
world, but the spirit who isfrom God, that we might know the
things that have been freelygiven to us by God.
(08:14):
And I was like whoa, that waskind of like I don't know.
I just saw it.
I saw it like in a new way,like the Holy Spirit.
One of the things that he doesis is he reveals to us the
things that have been freelygiven to us by God.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I don't know, I just love that verse.
I was like dude, that is cool.
Like you know how sometimeswe're like you know.
I think God's saying this to meand it's like.
That's that verse you know,it's like he's revealing these
things to us, Like you know,like you know how sometimes
we'll have like a wacky story.
We're like man the lord'stelling me this, or he showed me
this like vision or whateverit's like.
That is like the proof of thatyou know like that's.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
His job is to reveal all that god's given to us, you
know yeah, well, it's fine, andfind it in in the word where you
know it's like okay, I'm not,I'm not off base, right?
He's like right like yeah whatI'm feeling or what I'm sensing
or what he's telling me to go do.
It's like it can be.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It's found right there in scripture, in the word
so it's like it lines up solet's go yeah, yeah, like you
might be, like you know what,like man, I'm so free, I'm
forgiven man, I'm like I'm a newcreation and you're walking
around feeling that that day,and it's like that is the holy
spirit revealing to you thethings that god's given to you.
You know it's, yeah, such a coolverse.
Yeah, it's good.
(09:26):
Yeah, yeah.
And it's weird because if youscroll back it says like no eye
has seen and no ear has heardthe things that God has prepared
for us.
But then it says but the HolySpirit was given to us so that
we could see those things.
Yeah, yeah, I was like I guessI never caught that before.
Like, like, like I guess Inever caught that before.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Like it's like the answer is right there, you know,
yeah, super cool.
That's why you got to read thewhole bible, not just one verse.
Oops, and take it out ofcontext.
Oh yeah, read before and afteroh shoot.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, that's gonna blow away my whole thing here.
I'm just kidding it's all right,there's grace, that's right,
that's right.
Anyways, I've been talking toyou like a little bit, like a
lot, about the renewing of ourminds.
Yeah and um, it's somethingthat I just kind of thought we
(10:19):
could talk about today for alittle bit.
Um, I feel like the Lord isdoing a work in me and um, yeah,
so, so, everybody knows thatverse, you know?
Um, this one is Romans 12 too.
Um, do you want to look that up?
(10:40):
Romans 12, 2.
Look it up in, like the NewKing James or something, because
I want to compare it.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Got it, okay, read it and do not be conformed to this
world but be transformed by therenewing of your mind that you
may prove what is that good andacceptable and perfect will of
God.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
All right, awesome.
That's kind of like the versionthat everybody knows.
You know, do not be or sorry,be transformed.
Do not be and do not beconformed to this world, but be
transformed by the renewing ofyour mind.
Okay, I like it too here.
In the passion translation itsays stop imitating the ideals
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and opinions of the culturearound you hold on.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Let me get the flaming arrow right out of my
heart we in trouble now, butthere's more.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Be inwardly transformed by the Holy Spirit
through a total reformation ofhow you think.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Okay, hold on.
That's see.
That's why I love that versionbro I mean, this is good, the
New King James.
But then you read the PassionTranslation and it's just like
the five-finger death punch dudeto your heart.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, so totally, totally.
Yeah, you know, there's so muchin that, like in that new kind
of whatever.
There's just so much in it,okay, okay, the total
reformation of how you think I Iwas telling you this yesterday,
(12:30):
right, like I saw like apicture like of me, uh, holding
a bunch of ropes, right I wastelling you oh yeah, okay yeah.
So I'm gonna give you, like thegive everybody the picture, like
I kind of like I felt like thelord was showing me this picture
.
It was like me in my left handholding all these ropes and they
kind of went up to the skyalmost like a kite, but they
(12:53):
were big, thick ropes and I feltlike the Lord was saying to me
each one of these represents away that you think and you're
holding on for dear life withthese ways that you think and,
um, they there's even a part ofit where, like, I'm looking at
my arm and I'm thinking, man, myarm looks kind of strong right
(13:14):
now look at, look at all theseropes I'm holding, like I'm so,
like like I'm tough right, likeyeah, I'm so, I have like even
like pride in what I'm doing.
Okay, but the lord was sayingeach one of those ropes
represents like a way that youthink.
That is not how I think.
Yeah.
And it's like, and you areholding on to them for dear life
(13:36):
.
So each one of those ropesrepresents, like, a way that I
think you know, and the factthat I, that I'm holding onto
them so tight is, is causingactually me to be in bondage to
them, you know, and I felt likethe Lord was saying like if you
would like take each one ofthese thoughts and like, analyze
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them and and like or and letthem go, you know, then you
could actually be set free andthat is the renewing of the mind
.
It's like I used to.
I was thinking of it as likethis total, like spiritual, like
woo-woo thing, but it's morelike.
It's more like granule, like,like, like.
I think, you know, I think likeI have to be this way, like, or
(14:24):
my life's not going to work outRight.
Or like you know, I think, likeI have to be this way, like or
my life's not going to work outRight, or like you know, and
what the Lord is saying is like,if you would let go of that and
just let your life be like, youwill be fine.
You know what I mean, um, butit's like you get caught up like
holding all these thoughts thatare not his thoughts.
You know, um, you know, one ofthe ones, one of the ones I've
(14:48):
struggled with over the years,is like so if you guys don't
know me, it's like you know Iwas married and then I got
divorced, you know, and havekids, and then you know, now I'm
remarried, but like there wasthis part of me where I was like
man, like my life so this is arope I'm holding onto my life
didn't turn out like I thoughtit was going to be.
(15:08):
Now it can't be good and Ididn't.
It's subconscious, like I didn'tknow I was thinking that like,
but it was like I was so heldonto this like picture of, like
how my life had to be, that thennow, like now I'm in bondage
and the Lord's like, he's likeshowing me these things like one
by one, like this thing is away that you think and and you
(15:31):
can like be renewed in that way.
Right, yeah, because I meanthat's what the word says.
Like you know, your ways arenot my ways, like, and he came
to renew us, he came to restoreus, he came to forgive us, to
like give us new life.
You know, but if we're holdingon to these like ropes, like
we're not actually allowing himto change our mind and it can
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actually be super difficult tochange our mind you know like we
can be really, really set inour ways because, like, letting
go of the ropes feels like well,I mean, it feels like letting
go of control yeah, 100, 100,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
What do you think that thing is that causes us to
believe and wholeheartedly,heartedly, just subscribe to the
lie?
Right, because it's essentiallywhat it is right.
It's a lie that we havebelieved.
Right, the enemy is sown, adeception, and then we actually
(16:35):
take pride in it because wethink we're doing good by
handling it ourselves.
But really what we're doing iswe've believed a lie to the
point where we're just like noweverything in our life is
wrapped around this.
Right, this goes this also goesalong with some things we've
already talked about where it'slike you're where, where it's
anchored, where is your thoughtlife anchored?
(16:56):
Where is your, where are youremotions anchored?
And it's like I'm holding on toall of these ropes, dude.
I've anchored my belief systemin a way to all of that right,
so I'm essentially believing alie like what do you think it is
that causes us?
Is it just easier to believethat because we maintain some
sort of control, or yeah, Idon't know.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I mean, there's a couple things I was thinking
like it reminds me a little bitand I hate saying this because
I'm just like, oh, I get soconvicted but it reminds me a
little bit of like the Phariseesright, the Pharisees were like
we know the word, we understandthe word, we know how it's
supposed to go.
Yeah.
And then when Jesus came, theywere like what the heck is this,
(17:40):
like?
This is not what it says.
And Jesus was like, no, no,you're wrong in your
interpretation.
Right, you, you were lookingfor something, but when the real
christ came, like you weren'topen to it, you know, or you
were so set in thinking that youknew, like this is the way it
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should be, that you, you weren'topen to like the freeness of,
like the spirit, you know, yeah,yeah.
And then I think too, it's likethere's, there's a lot of flesh
in there, you know, becauseit's like we want to be in
control, we think, we think, weknow, and that's kind of like
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the flesh, you know, like it'sgot to be this way, or I can't
be happy, or whatever, and tolet go of that is just
uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So maybe the so fleshing this out right, so
maybe the control feeds intothat deception right when we,
like, we're grabbing onto thesefalse ideas or on to these
things out of fear, or whateverthe case is, and by doing that
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we've somehow, in a weird andtwisted way, feel that we're
empowering ourselves becausewe're under the facade of being
in control.
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, like we're believing andthrowing everything we have into
this basket, dude, that it'slike I'm going to hold on to
this rope.
I'm going to continue tobelieve this thing, right here.
Right.
Right and I've got falsecontrol, but it's like I feel
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like I'm doing something.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, yeah.
I've had this like thing in myhead for like a couple of years
where I feel like the Lord's,like, like I see myself like at
the top of a waterfall, like ina boat, like madly paddling back
up river right and he's likewould you just let yourself go
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over the edge?
Yeah, Just let yourself.
Go to me, man, Like let it go,Like I'll, because it means you
don't trust me.
That's what it means right Likeif you're not like I'm telling
you like everything's going tobe okay, Trust me, Like just
like, let everything go, Justyou know, believe and and just
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go forward, right.
But we're like, nope, I'mpaddling upstream because I
don't want to go over that edge,because why?
It's scary?
yeah so maybe that's part of it.
It's like it's scary to givegod full control, but in the
meantime we were just sweatingdude paddling uphill yeah with
everything we've gotten, it'smiserable.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, so I think that's probably the the.
The realness of that right Isus not being sure inside that we
can trust God in freedom?
Yeah, like he's more thanwilling to bring freedom, but
I've trusted in this system thatI've set up for so long that I
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don't know anything else andit's absolutely horrifyingly
freaking me out to have to say,yes, I have to trust somebody
else.
Right this goes back to what wewere talking about before.
It's like I think an episode ortwo ago where it was like I was
going through some stuff andyou were just encouraging me to
like.
Well, you know, you just don'tknow, god, in that area in your
(21:07):
life yet, right, like, so you'relike, you're going through this
and you just you haven't, liketrusted him to be there for you
in that area, so just ask him tohelp you trust him in this area
and to to show you this side ofhim, right, right, so anything
that goes along with that, too,is like, well, we have to be
willing to to, yeah, relinquishthe control, but that freaks us
(21:30):
out.
Yeah, because we don't know himright in that way right, right,
and he's absolutely 100 of thetime wanting to reveal himself
in that way to us to show us Ican be there for you, I can take
care of you.
Yeah, I got you, don't worryabout it, right, but we have, we
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struggle with that.
Yeah, so I think it's.
It's.
There's a trust issue there too, because we're just not sure,
right.
I mean, dude, we in life,everybody lets us down there
there's disappointment I meanall day, long, day long in every
area of our life.
Yeah.
Right, and it's really easy toget caught up in that and just
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describe that.
Well, god must be the same.
Right, because this is all weknow.
Right, this is all we know isour interactions with each other
, with coworkers or our family,you know, in society, it's like
this is the only thing that weunderstand.
So this must be the way that itis with God.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, yeah, I heard a pastor say something that I was
like, oh, that's kind ofinteresting.
He said when we getdisappointed with man, we get
disappointed with God.
I was like huh, like it waslike.
He was like we're all so likeinner connected, like you know
something that we can.
It's almost like a tendencywhere we can be like you know,
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man has let us down, so thenlike we feel let down by God.
You know, I totally relate tothat.
You know what I mean.
I relate to that big time.
You know, I've even been likein fights with God.
You know like what the heck?
You know, like why, why, how,why and how could you have let
that happen?
You know, um, yeah, and just sointeresting, and yeah, I don't
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know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it'sthat's.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
That's the hard one, and I feel like we always kind
of the last, you know, since thefirst episode actually, I feel
like we always kind of since thefirst episode actually, I feel
like we always have kind of hiton this, because this is, I
think, a major hang-up of oursIs that we don't we ascribe
everything that happens innatural life to the Father and
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to Jesus and to the Holy Spirit.
Well, if this is the way it isin life, this is the way it must
be with them too.
Right, and I think a lot of itis that we just haven't taken
the time either through becauseof fear or whatever the case is.
It's like to to get to knowthem and just ask a simple
question.
I think a lot of times we'rejust we're just unsure and maybe
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even just a little bit afraidto ask the question.
Right, like it doesn't matterhow how many times we hear a
message, how many times we'reencouraged by a fellow believer,
somebody else, like god isclose, holy spirit resides
inside of you.
Like I mean, we have the wordthat tells us that jesus sticks
closer than a brother.
It doesn't matter how manythings we experience or hear
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that tells us how close God is.
We just don't like choose tounderstand that.
Yeah.
Right.
It's like if we would just openour mouth and ask him a
question, he would more thanhappy to answer, right.
So it's like I think the thingis is that we're just unsure,
and so maybe that's the startingpoint.
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Is just like, I need you toshow me how to move past this,
because I'm, I'm afraid, likedude.
Everybody in my life has let medown, like I have all these
things going on, right, I'vebeen hurt by this and by this.
He knows all that.
Yeah.
Right, but it's like if we wouldjust take the time to stop and
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just have a regular conversation, right?
He would answer.
Yeah.
And it may come in the form ofhim speaking to your heart.
It may come in the form of himspeaking to you, where you can
hear his voice.
It may come in a scripture ofhim speaking to you and where
you can hear his voice.
It may come in a scripture.
It may come from a friend ofyours that you know, somebody
that goes to church, or a bestfriend or somebody like that
(25:26):
that has you know something,something to say.
The lord will give themsomething, and it's like that's
exact thing that you needed tohear yeah you know.
but it's like it all goes backto starting the conversation
with god and I think people arereally cause I know that I have
been over the years it's likereally afraid to just open your
mouth and start thatconversation.
I think some of it's becausewe're afraid of what he might
(25:48):
say.
Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Which isn't.
He's never going to tell usanything that's bad.
Never going to tell us anythingthat's going to hurt us.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, and I feel like it's circling right back to the
, the renewing of your mindthing, right, because that,
because I've also been thinkinglike, like, if you look at what,
what, at the promises that he'smade to us, right, and I think
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we get foggy because maybe we'relike blending like our
experience in real life with ourexperience in the spirit, and
maybe it's not like, maybe weshould.
We need to be able to separateit more.
You know, like you said, likeall these people, let me down.
Therefore, everybody, allthings, let me down even
including God, but it's but.
So I've been thinking like man.
(26:40):
The scriptures do not say thatyou know, it's like the
scripture says the polaropposite of that, like I will
never leave you, I will neverforsake you.
It's like I feel like we got.
We got to get back to arenewing of our mind, even of
just what it says in the Bible,and taking that and placing it
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over like all of the things thatwe think Right, and that's like
the renewing of the mind.
That is like letting go of therope.
Right Of man, I think allpeople let me down and so you
were going to let go of thatrope and we're going to then
just remember, like God'sversion of of of that you know,
which is like I will never uh,you know leave you or forsake
(27:23):
you.
And I just I'm like Lord, I needa total, like it says.
I need a total reformation ofhow I think you know, and I need
to be able to take thescriptures and place them higher
than my own thinking, becausethat's where we get in trouble,
(27:43):
you know, big time, because ifwe really lived according to the
scriptures like, we wouldprobably not find ourselves in
so much trouble, so much drama.
You know, so much garbage,garbage.
(28:04):
It's like we're just we areactually living more off of here
.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
It is what we say rather than what he says, you
know yeah, yeah, I'm lookingsomething up right now because
you got me thinking yeahephesians 5 trying to see what
version to be better.
Ephesians 5 trying to see whatversion would be better.
26 and 27.
So this is on the hills ofChrist, speaking to about
(28:28):
marriage and the church.
But there's a portion in herewhere renewing our mind can come
in a few ways, but one of themajor ways is through the word
of God.
Right, this is can come in afew ways, but one of the major
ways is through the word of God.
Right, this is.
This is so.
We keep everything in contextbecause I now I have to, because
I said something earlier.
(28:48):
I'm not reading one verse.
I'm so busted right now, um, soI'll read it.
In the new King James, it's umfive, 26 to 27.
If you want to find, do youhave the?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
passion.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Say it again what was it?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Ephesians 5, 26 to 27 .
It's a good.
Two verses are good, but it'sthe second part of verse 26 that
I want to focus in on becauseit has to do with the whole
renewing of the mind.
So let's see here New KingJames version, all right.
So it says I'll start off in 25, but it's 26 and 27.
(29:27):
I want to focus on husbandsLove your wives, just as Christ
also loved the church and gavehimself for her.
Verse 26, that he mightsanctify and cleanse her with
the washing of the water of theword, that he might present her
to himself a glorious church,having not having spot or
wrinkle or any such thing, butthat she should be holy and
(29:48):
without blemish, right.
So it's.
It's verse 26 where it's thewashing, by the're reading the
word like it's literallycleansing you right yeah, and
it's, it doesn't.
It's not just, it's not just onepart.
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Right, you're, you're reading,it starts in your mind, right
you see, with your eyes.
It goes into your brain.
You're trying to comprehend it,trying to understand it, and
it's working its way down, right, so you have the knowledge.
You've read it.
Right Now it goes from thereinto your heart, where you get
an understanding from it, right,and then from there it moves
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into this thing where they bothget married.
You have the intellectual andthe understanding, the knowledge
, you have the heart, and itturns into a revelation Right
when it's applied.
I think you and I just talkedabout this yesterday.
Yeah.
It was like how do we makeapplication to a lot of these
things?
Yeah, well, you have to havethe knowledge of what you've
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read, you have to have it hityour heart so you have an
understanding from it.
Right, the Holy Spirit has toreveal that understanding from
it.
Right, the holy spirit has toreveal that, I mean, those two
things marry.
That offspring is a revelationwhich you then can apply to your
life and move forward.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, yeah, it's gotta like yeah, I'm seeing it
like it's gotta like come in andthen you have to like, allow it
to like make, make room in yourmind or whatever, and then also
you got to let the old way ofthinking go 100%.
So it's kind of like you got tobe filled up with that word in
(31:28):
your mind and then and you gotto like physically or I think
that's what the Lord is showingme is you have to intellectually
let your old way of thinking go.
You're going to say like I usedto think, like this, you know
and now.
I.
And now I'm going to choose tothink like this.
You know it's like, it's likethe old song, like I once was
(31:52):
blind, but now I see, you knowit's like I once thought this
way.
That is the way I thought, youknow, maybe even yesterday
that's the way I thought.
You know, maybe even yesterdaythat's the way I thought.
But this word says this, and sotoday I'm going to choose to
believe this right, which iswhat repentance it's metanoia
(32:14):
yeah, a change of mind rightchange of mind wow, it's all
interlinked sorry, we're gonnahave to pause for a moment
because our minds are no yeahit's the water, it's the washing
of the word.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Dude, it's exactly what you said.
It's like it's literallyrepentance.
Right, repentance isn't justsaying I'm sorry.
Yeah.
Like it's the word metanoiait's you literally are having a
change of thought, like you hiton something where it's like I
have to choose.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
To want to think different right, I look at it in
terms to when you were talkingto, I was hearing this.
It's like the illustration oflight and dark.
Light and dark cannot occupythe same place at the same time.
Yeah.
Right, light will alwaysovercome Right.
So, if we look at light as thenew revelation and the things
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that the Lord is trying to teachus, and dark is the way that
our old ways of thinking thataren't Christ-like are worldly,
that need to be renewed andchanged, right, when we take in
that word and it washes us,light is replacing darkness,
right, but it only stays when wechange the way that we think by
(33:33):
repenting.
It's like I'm not going to dothis anymore.
I'm not going to think this waybecause this is not right.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I'm going to think this way because this is what
the word says yeah, yeah, yeahthere's so many things in there,
oh my gosh, yeah, um, you know,it's kind of funny.
I'm almost seeing it like likesay there's a guy right and and
(34:02):
he's like he wasn't saved andit's like and like he used to,
you know, rob banks Right.
He's like I used to rob banksRight, but now he's like but now
I don't rob banks Like, I dothings like I don't steal, right
, because that's what the wordsays, you know.
And so it's like it's a physicalversion of that, but what I'm
(34:22):
thinking is, like there's athere and, and that's what
happens, like when we get, whenwe become saved like we, we
start kicking out all the oldthings that we do Right.
But what I'm, what I, what Ifeel like, is where the Lord is
like kind of working on us, islike he's getting down to the
nitty gritty.
You know, he's like in your, inyour, in your quietest part of
(34:45):
your mind you think this way andthat has to be, that has to go.
Yeah, that little thingactually is causing you so much
pain.
You know like you've got toreplace that thing, just like
the guy who's like I can nolonger rob banks, right Cause
well, that's obvious, like don'trob banks, we all know Right.
(35:07):
But but we're like way morecomfortable with us thinking
these little thoughts that maybenobody knows, you know that are
, are these things that we'reholding onto that are not in
alignment, like, with what Godsays?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, our thought life is huge, bro.
I mean, I mean everything likestarts there right.
I mean, that's where the enemystarts his attack.
Dude, right, I mean dude.
I don't know how long ago, butthat book that Joyce Myers wrote
(35:49):
, the Battlefield of the Mind,right Years.
I mean it's probably 20 yearsago.
But that's basically what itwas talking about.
It's how the enemy sows theselies and sows these ideas, and
you and I even talked about itrecently where it's like, before
you even realize what'shappening, like you, you're
(36:11):
already thinking that same trainof thought as what he just
sowed right right.
So, I case in point, thishappened to me the other day.
Right, I was, I had woken upand, um, still like trying to
make some changes in my life,right, in terms of like stress
(36:31):
and anxiety and things like that.
But I woke up and the enemy hadsown a thought and I wasn't
even awake yet, I wasn't evenhalf awake yet.
I just opened my eyes and thethought was there and I got up
and sat on the side of the bedat like 1 30 in the morning and
I was like, oh my gosh, he waslike sewing a lie, like about
(36:54):
something in my life and I was,my mind just like took that and
then, like top fuel, dragged itall the way down to the end of
the track Right Nitrous and allLike gone.
And it took the Lord sayingsomething in that moment to get
my attention off of what mybrain was running away with, for
(37:17):
me to be like wait, that's what, that's what that?
No, that's not true and that'snot happening right right now,
yeah, right, but it was that's.
That's how subtle the enemyworks where he will.
He can literally just plant thethought and just walk away, and
(37:39):
our brains just like pick it up.
Yeah, yeah.
And just run with it.
And this is one of the reasonswhy our minds.
It's so important for us torenew our minds is because when
our minds are renewed, I believethat we catch that faster and
we're able to take that thingcaptive and throw it down.
Like we're instructed in theword yeah right and then allow
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the lord to deal with us likethere is something in us that
the enemy thought that he couldattach that to in order to keep
us deceived or keep us inbondage or keep us wherever
right, then we're not supposedto be yeah so then it's like the
job is to go after that thingand ask the tough question to
the lord.
It's like what is it in me thatthe enemy was trying to attach
(38:28):
that thought to?
that needs to change yeahbecause if we get rid of that
which is called the root, rightif we get rid of the root, then
nothing else can grow yeah, yeahhe's literally throwing
thoughts and trying to sowthoughts into soil that that
isn't prepared for that rightyeah, that's a tough one because
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I think that it takes a lot ofwork.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
It takes, I don't know, or maybe not, maybe it
just takes like a serious, likeyou said conversation and then
you got to be open to hearingwhat the Lord responds to you.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
That's the biggest part.
That's really the biggest partis being open.
Yeah, because I mean some of usare really good at asking the
questions, but we're not so goodat listening.
Yeah, yeah, and then others arenot so good at making
application.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, it's like.
I remember I was at the doctorone time and the doctor was like
, he's like, and you know me, Itry to work out dude, I try to
stage tape, but the doctor'sjust like you need to lose some
weight, you know, and you'relike what?
Speaker 1 (39:40):
And I was weight, you know, and I was like what?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
And I was like what Right?
I was like, bro, you're like102 pounds, like we're just
different humans, you know.
But and I was like, well, I tryto eat good, you know, and I do
all this stuff and like, andyou eat too much.
And I was like, bro, you'restupid, get out of here, like
(40:04):
what he's just like, you justeat too much.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
And I was like what.
I know people who eat way morethan me.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Right, right, right right, and it was like that was
the word he gave me right andI'm just like, yeah, you're dumb
dude, I don't want to hear that.
Like that's stupid.
Right, yeah, but that's likeare we even open to the Lord
saying to us and revealing whatthe problem is?
Even if it's something thatwe're like like, our initial
(40:30):
reaction is like that's stupid.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
That's actually really good dude.
Yeah, because it's like hecould be bringing your attention
to something that you're See.
Okay, look, all right, we don'tknow everything.
Let me just get that out rightfront.
Right, I'm just gonna popeverybody's balloon and blow
everybody out of the water rightnow.
It's like we do not knoweverything.
Okay, speak for yourself, nothappening like we're.
(40:55):
We're so out of touch withwhat's really going on most of
the time.
Okay, we're human, all right.
So therein lies a problem,because a lot of times, I know
that even in my own personallife, the lord has brought
something to my attention andyou're like what right, that's
not going on in me and it's like, okay, look, if I told you
(41:18):
something, there's got to besomething going on with you,
right?
Because what does the Bible say?
He's not a man that he shouldlie, right, right, so if he's
bringing something to ourattention, there obviously must
be something that we need todeal with, right.
But we're so ready to dismissthat a lot of times because it's
(41:40):
like, well, it's not on myradar, so you must be off, yeah.
But then we go back again tothe trust issue because it's
like, well, if we trusted him,then we would take time to
consider what it is he's sayingand allow him to search our
heart to bring it to ourattention.
Right, right, but that's,that's a hard one to learn.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, yeah, especially for guys.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Right, right, no-transcript.
Like it is so hard for guys toeven go there.
Most guys are just like we justtoughen up.
(42:24):
You know, like when, whenthings aren't going our way, we
just get harder.
You know, we get stronger andwe get like more, like you know,
and like that's how we dealwith stuff.
Because, yeah, what's just?
it's just so weird that part ofus that's like we don't want to
dive into the darkness or justdive into the hurting part of
(42:44):
our souls because, like we don'twant to feel like but it's,
it's, it's so dumb, it's just sodumb of us.
You know, it's like the old guywho's like I haven't been to
the doctor and like you know 70years, and he's like proud of it
.
And you're like they're likeyeah well, you got cancer.
You're you're gonna be deadnext month.
Like you could have donesomething about that.
but he's like oh, you knowthat's literally, like you know,
(43:06):
and I hope that through thispodcast, like we, we're helping
guys, like you know, be able tolike like take off all of the
wrong armor that we have on andlike cut open our chest and like
see, like our, our beatingheart, like and just like, like
(43:30):
say Lord, like minister, to meabout my heart.
You know and where I'm at andwhy I do the things that I do
and why I act the way that I actand why I think the way that I
think you know.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
It's interesting you said that about the armor.
It's just like David andGoliath, right, when he stood up
in front of King Saul and hewas like, yeah, I'll go fight
that giant, right.
And Saul was quick to tell himwell, use the king's armor, use
my armor, yeah Right.
And he put it on and he wasjust like I can't do this, yeah
(44:05):
Right, I can't use this armor, Ihave to be myself and go fight
this giant myself.
Yeah.
Right, and it's like we have tohumble ourselves and just ask
the Lord instead of like, like,taking on something that we're
not supposed to take on.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, totally, totally All right.
Yeah, I got.
I'm going to wrap it with this.
This first I wanted to kind oftalk about going back to the
renewing of your mind thing.
First I wanted to kind of talkabout going back to the renewing
of your mind thing and thenalso a renewing of your mind to
be able to trust, like, what theLord is doing.
(44:47):
Right, that's what, that's whatI feel like he's saying.
So we just read, we startedwith Romans 12, two, where it
was saying you know, talkingabout stop imitating the ideals
and opinions of the culture,okay, but be inwardly
transformed by the Holy Spiritthrough the total reformation of
how you think.
Okay, that's 12.2.
So you were talking aboutcontext.
(45:08):
I want to be a good boy.
Yes, romans 11.
I'm going to read this like alittle bit out of order, but
this is actually okay.
All right, just settle in withme, boys, all right.
Romans 11.33 says is actuallyokay, all right, just settle in
with me, boys, all right.
Romans 11 33 says who couldever wrap their minds around the
(45:28):
riches of god, the depth of hiswisdom and the marvel of his
perfect knowledge?
Who could ever explain thewonder of his decisions or
search out the mysterious way.
Okay, now if you go back a fewmore verses, it's talking about.
(45:51):
It's titled the Mystery ofIsrael's Restoration, and it
talks about how God like for ashort, a short amount of time,
well, for a time, he has blindedisrael, right yeah okay, which
you're like dude.
That's not fair like what theheck, right.
But then it says until the fullnumber of non-jews have come
(46:15):
into god's family, so, so Godhas, like, blinded the Jewish
people so that then, like, thegospel message could come to
people like us who are not Jews.
So, through him, blinding themis the way that we were able to
find our salvation.
(46:35):
Okay, weird, right, seemsunfair, like what the heck?
That's weird.
But then it says but you know,after that God will bring all of
which.
This is a weird verse.
It says God will bring all ofIsrael to salvation.
I mean, it says all which isawesome, awesome, right, so.
(46:57):
But what I'm getting at is isis this?
There's a story here that'sweird, and when I read it I was
like my life is weird, right,like I'm like, okay, so this
story is weird.
It's like god came for the jews.
They kind of rejected him, sothen he put blindness on them,
but then that that blindnessactually then caused all of the
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rest of the world to be saved,and then God's going to restore,
you know, the Jewish people.
And then it says like who couldever wrap their mind around the
riches of God, the depths ofhis wisdom, the marvels of his
perfect knowledge?
Who could ever explain thewonders of his decisions or the
(47:39):
search out the mysterious wayshe carries out his plans and
just like, what I got out ofthat was dude.
If your life is weird right now, it doesn't mean he's not in it
.
You know he did something herethat it.
This is not the way I would havebrought people to salvation,
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right, you know, and we all havethese things in our lives where
we're like bro, like what theheck is going on right now.
This is dumb, stupid.
I don't like it.
It's not making any sense.
It's probably never going tomake sense, right, which is kind
of like that story, right there.
It's like why do the Jewishpeople have blindness on them?
(48:20):
Like that's jacked, it seemsjacked up, but it's part of his
plan and that, and it's thatgoes back to that verse.
His ways are not our ways.
(48:45):
And it's like who?
David strengthened himself inthe Lord, right, that's what
this verse does to me.
It strengthens I'mstrengthening myself in the word
like that man, my life looksweird right now.
My life looks so weird rightnow.
But god is a god who.
He doesn't do things like we dohim.
(49:05):
He doesn't do him in our timeframe that we want it done.
He might even do it in a waywhere everybody else is like
dude what is going on?
Speaker 1 (49:13):
yeah, but that there that says he is in control
always, always, yeah, yeah, Ithink we forget, right just how
marvelous and majestic and grandhe is.
(49:34):
Right, like I think that's oneof the biggest fights, dude,
that the enemy has with us isdoing whatever he can to cause
us to lose the wonder of god'sgreatness yeah right, like to
where we forget and we'reblinded to the fact that his
(49:59):
ways are not our ways.
Right, his grandeur andgreatness and how, just how much
higher he thinks than we do.
He sees the beginning from theend, right, and all the things
that don't make sense to us ormake perfect sense to him,
because we don't have thecomplete picture.
Yeah, right, what's thatscripture say?
Speaker 2 (50:17):
we know in part right , but one day we'll know in full
right, yeah, yeah.
So hang on to that.
Yeah, hang on to that.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah, hang on to that hope, yeah, yeah, ask him.
I know that that's been a prayerin my heart lately, for more of
the wonder and the amazement.
Right Like I want to be wowed,right Like, but not in like a
(50:51):
weird way.
It's like I like god has toshow off to do something.
It's like like he's so greatand so mighty and so majestic,
so personable, so, so beautiful,so lovely, so awesome, so
awe-inspiring, you know, terrorinspiring, you know, and it's
just like there's all theseattributes right, and it's just
(51:11):
like like, help me to alwaysretain the wonder of who you are
right because I feel that'sthen.
You and I've had someconversations on this lately,
dude, I think that's.
That's the fear of the lordyeah right, it's not a fear
where you're like, oh, I'm likeafraid of that, like scary type
of thing's.
It's a reverence and an awebecause we realize like just how
(51:34):
magnificent he is and how muchmore above our ways he is.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, yeah, totally, you know, I was reminded of
something earlier too.
It's like um, just also, likeyou know, just getting into a
time of worship you know, likeum, I heard somebody say the
other day like, you know, if youkeep focusing on the problem
and you just like, are alwayslike, if you're trying to figure
out the problem and look up theproblem and Google the problem
(52:00):
and pray about the problem, it'sjust like then.
It's just like then you justmagnify the problem.
Yeah.
And so, and what he was sayingwas like, get into worship, you
know.
Like, like, do somethingdifferent, like, let let the
Holy Spirit come and justminister to you.
Right.
Like you don't got to, likefigure it, like just go.
(52:21):
And even that might seemcounterintuitive, you know, it
does to me sometimes, you know,but something can happen.
As we worship him, you know, wejust find some freedom, yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
I had a chance to um to minister a church on Sunday
this past Sunday and that's oneof the parts in my message was
talking about.
You know, we always hear of thegreat, the goodness of God, and
you know his love and his mercyand all this other.
(52:57):
But there's also a part of him,like where the Psalms and other
scriptures talk about like theterror of the Lord, right, and
just how awesome and and justthunderous presence and all
these things, right.
It's Psalms 29 is is one of oneof the ones that goes through
(53:21):
that description where he justis able to strike fear and bring
mountains low, and I encourageyou guys just to read that in
Psalms 29.
The Passion Translation alwaysis just one of the best
descriptive versions, but inthere it just talks about him
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speaking and making deer givebirth right.
And the snow being knocked offof mountains and trees being
leveled.
You know, and it's I think weforget, like we hear so much
about the love of god, and onthe one side of him, but there's
the other side of him whereit's like like he literally is
the god of the universe, wherehe has created all of these
(54:03):
things and all of these thingsare subject to him and he's able
to strike fear and terror intothe hearts of those right, I
mean, but in like a fear of thelord way.
You know, yeah, unless you're anenemy of god right, right yeah
but it's like I I was tellingthe congregation, it's just like
think, think about that for amoment.
Like it says that he could makethe mountains lay bare, right
(54:27):
the trees, like like just knockthem flat to the ground.
Just from him speaking, I meanthink about what that must look
like.
Yeah, right, I mean you talkabout striking fear in in the
hearts of everyone.
That would see it, you know, um,let's talk about here it's
splintering the mighty forest,shaking the snowy peaks, with
(54:51):
his ear, splitting sound, making.
When he speaks and revealshimself, he makes the fault
lines quake.
You know and I was trying toget across to the congregation
it's like to think about whatthat's saying.
It's like it's part of who heis right.
It's like this.
This psalm 29 describes thoseattributes of the fear of the
(55:13):
lord but, and more importantly,is like when we understand that,
imagine what the enemy seesyeah right, right, like this is
this is who, who he is, andwe're supposed to fear him in
that holy, reverent way.
But this, it's not meant to usto be a negative thing.
Right so it's like when theenemy sees that, just how much,
(55:34):
how much more fear does thatstrike into his heart, right
Like when we invite the presenceof the Lord into our lives and
we into our situations and it'slike it's it's all of him.
We don't just get part of him.
We get the loving grace, mercyand all of that right, the
forgiveness and all of thatright, but we also get the awe
and terror inspiring part of himtoo, because that's also part
(55:57):
of his personality and it's likethis is also who lives within
us.
Yeah right yeah it's like thescripture says, it's like the
same spirit that raised christfrom the dead resides within us,
right?
So it's like all of that powerlike is living in us as
believers.
So it's like we just never tapinto that, yeah, right, because
(56:18):
we're losing.
If we've lost the wonder andthe amazement of God and his
awesomeness, it's like we forgetthat.
It's like this is also who heis.
It's like when he fights for'slike this is also who he is.
It's like when he fights for us,this is what the enemy sees,
right?
Speaker 2 (56:33):
yeah, it's like he speaks dude and the fault lines
quake and open up so cool, likeI don't think I've ever thought
about this, but I was thinking,like you know, I think like the
Bible is um literal andspiritual, if that makes sense.
You know, like I think, likewhen it says, like you know he
(56:54):
speaks and it lays the mountainsbare, you know, um, the fault
lines quake like it's it said,it means what it says, but also
I always think that there's likea spiritual application and I
was thinking, you know, maybeit's like when he speaks and
when we were listening and whenwe, when we ask him to speak,
like he can lay bare your soul.
(57:16):
You know, like he can likecause your like inner fault
lines to quake.
He could cause something in youto give birth.
You know what I mean, likespiritually.
You know, like I got thismountain and it's covered in
dirt or whatever he speaks, andjust boom and it just blows
everything out you know, yeah,yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
I think that's one of the things I told you yesterday
.
It was like it's in thisprocess with dealing with stress
and anxiety and some of theother things I've been dealing
with.
It's like it's literally like Icouldn't.
I couldn't do anything to helpmyself at all in any of the
situations.
I've ever been in and what did Itell you yesterday?
It took it took God allowing meto hear him speak.
Yeah, right, because he's theonly one that's powerful enough
(58:01):
and strong enough to interruptwhat I was thinking and the fear
and anxiety and the otherthings the enemy was trying to
sow, like by me hearing hisvoice, he was able to interrupt
the thing that was happening, toget me to divert my attention
off of that thing onto him, tolisten to him.
And then he speaks into thatsituation, yeah, and it just
(58:23):
dissipates, right, right, butthat's like I can't do it in my
own strength, and this is partof goes even goes back to
renewing of the mind too,because it's like we have to
understand who he is right.
And it's like he's that powerfulwhere, if you're like you're
stuck with anxiety or fear, your, your marriage or whatever the
case is like, and he speaks intothe situation.
(58:44):
Just him speaking into thesituation is powerful enough to
interrupt what the enemy isdoing and the hurt that it's
causing and confusion that it'scausing inside of us, to get our
attention.
Yeah, our problem, I think andmy problem was a lot of the
times is I didn't stop andchange direction and listen to
him.
(59:04):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't move withhim.
You were sort of stunned in themoment, him it just, you were
sort of stunned in the momentand then you just sort of moved
on yeah just thankful it wasover yeah but because he's been
renewing my mind and my heartdaily and we've been in this
process like I'm starting to getit now where I'm like I'm
taking time to pause and be likeokay, what's?
(59:26):
There's something more in thisright.
He's trying to change the waythat I'm thinking and the way
that I'm looking at thissituation that I've been dealing
with and struggling with.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yeah, there's something that's so interesting
and hard about all this stuffbecause, like, if I want to get
in shape, I got to work, right,I got to.
I gotta get up early, I gottago to the gym, I gotta lift
weights, I gotta like.
Then I gotta like do exercise,I gotta like do cardio, I gotta
(59:57):
eat.
Well, I have to do a lot ofstuff.
So we kind of take that likesame model and we say like I
need to, I need to change mylife, my stuff in my spiritual
life.
And we got to do work.
But it's funny because just theother day I was like, you know,
I was like Lord, like what am Isupposed to be doing right now
about this situation?
(01:00:17):
And I felt like he was justlike nothing, like just give it
to me and just let it go, youknow, and I was like, well, that
doesn't seem very, you know waytoo simple.
Right, but but again, going backto the thing of me holding onto
(01:00:43):
all these ropes, I mean, maybethat is the thing.
It's like you know I'm I'mtrying to thing.
It's like you know I'm I'mtrying to do all this stuff over
here, but if I would just letgo and let God do like whatever
and trust him, you know, so it'slike it's so counterintuitive
and it almost seems like, well,you're not doing anything you
(01:01:05):
know, but maybe the problem isthat we're always doing
something and it's not helping.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, hmm.
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Yeah, doing too much.
Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Yeah, because I mean I've said this to you before
it's like all change that hasoccurred in my life has only
come through the Holy Spiritdoing a miracle in me yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I've never been able to change myself yeah so I think
that's what the lord was tryingto get me to realize the other
day.
It's like I, I can't change theway that I think I'm not strong
enough to change.
You know, if I'm dealing withanxiety, it's like I or fear
whatever.
It's like I'm not strong enoughto fight that I can't.
(01:02:05):
I can't out think it, I can'tout feel it, I can't out
maneuver it, I can't do anythingapart from him yeah I only
band-aided at the best rightright, right.
but when he speaks and then Igrab a hold of that, it's
shattered right, right,completely.
(01:02:27):
Yeah, because what does it say?
It's like at the name of Jesus,every knee will bow.
Yeah, every tongue will confessthat he is Lord.
That even means the situations.
If it has a name, it's got tobow.
Yeah, right, yeah.
If you're going throughsomething, it's got a name, it's
got to bow.
Yeah.
If you're dealing with canceror a disease or something, if
(01:02:49):
it's got a name, it's got a bow.
Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
If you're dealing with fear and anxiety, it's got
a bow yeah, it's good to becontinued yeah, I know we need a
24 hour podcast where we justkeep talking, because there's no
end to all this he's just doneso much stuff, man.
Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
There's just too much stuff to talk about yeah, too
much goodness actually.
Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Right, yeah, you want to?
Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
pray us out yeah, lord, we just thank you for
today.
We thank you for all those thatare listening.
We thank you for literallyeverything.
Thank you for all those thatare listening.
We thank you for literallyeverything that you've brought
us through every trial, everysituation, every hardship, every
time that we thought that youhad left us high and dry and you
were just dealing with ourhearts, causing us to think
(01:03:42):
different and to follow you intoa place that we didn't
understand and we didn't know.
We pray that anybody that islistening to this podcast, that
they would challenge themselvesto pursue you in a way that they
haven't, that they wouldchallenge themselves to listen
to you and to be obedient towhat you're trying to do, that
they would find the strength andthe courage to begin to read
(01:04:06):
your word daily and to engageyou on the daily, to find out
what your will is for their life.
We pray that you would justhelp them, in every aspect of
their life, to know thegreatness and the wonder of who
you are.
In Jesus' name, amen, amen,amen.
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Yeah, hey guys, go to our uh instagram.
Um, there is a link where youcan click on it and it's got.
Uh, we actually made some merch, that's there.
And then also, um, there's someother links in there over to
our youtube page, to our tiktokpage and then also, um, if
you've been like following onour instagram, I also have like
(01:04:46):
a daily devotional that'sbasically just reading through
the Proverbs, yeah, and it'skind of like, I mean just like a
meditation.
I've actually been re-listeningto it like at night before I go
to sleep, but it's, it's a goodthing.
If you guys just want to spenda little time in the word, just
listening it's just a reading ofthe Psalm of the Proverbs,
sorry so.
And then if this has ministeredto you, man, send it to another
(01:05:11):
guy or gal, it doesn't matter,but send it to somebody that you
think it will minister to,because that's just what we're
super excited about is, yeah,just helping folks out, for sure
later, guys.
Bye, bye, folks out, for sure,later Bye.
like he's more than willing to bring freedom, but
I've trusted in this system thatI've set up for so long, right
that I don't know anything else,and it's absolutely
horrifyingly, freaking me out tohave to say yes, I have to
trust somebody else.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yo, good morning, what's happening?
Good morning, what's up.
Man, brian and Brian here withthe Die A Little More podcast
and just want to say what's up.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
And a couple of exciting things.
I'm not sure um.
Do you tell do?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
you tell yeah, um, okay, we have a giveaway no, yes
what we have a giveaway for the.
Do we have?
Two giveaways yeah, we have twookay for the first two people
to write us a review online.
Um, so, as you guys arelistening to apple podcasts, um,
(01:13):
just I guess, or spotify um,leave a review.
Um, hopefully a good one, or atleast funny yeah, yeah.
But you have to also leave yourname so we can contact you later
.
But we got some hats thatbasically have the logo, the
podcast art like the Die ALittle More like the skull and
(01:33):
it says Die A Little Morepodcast.
So they're pretty dope.
So, yeah, yeah.
If you're going to want to goon Apple Music and just rate it,
review it, and then, yeah, whenwe figure out who you are, then
we'll get your address andstuff and we'll send you a hat.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, no negative comments.
That gets you fired, that'sright.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Or we'll smash the hat and then send it to you.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yeah, we'll smash the hat and send it to you.
There you go.
Yes, I like that idea.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That's really good.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
There's your hat.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, thanks, oh man.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, we appreciate all you guys listening.
This has been a fun littlejourney for us and a little
adventure trying to do these,trying to minister to not just
others but also ourselves.
It's funny.
We both go back and we bothlisten periodically to the
different podcasts that we'vedone and almost every single
(02:33):
time it hits us in a differentway than it did when we actually
recorded it.
Yeah, so it's kind of neat whenwe go back and listen to the
things that we've talked about,it actually, in turn, ends up
ministering back to us.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, I think I called you the other day.
I was like, do you ever getlike all emotional and messed up
listening to our own podcast?
Yes, yeah, so, like, who knows?
Like maybe it's just for us,but actually it's not true.
We've both had really cool, acouple of cool interactions that
were like very like uh, natural, like um, I had I've had a
(03:09):
couple people say you know, hey,I've been listening to the
podcast and it really ministersto me and like I was like what,
like how did you even hear aboutit?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
like yeah, yeah, yeah , I had a friend of mine that,
um, I had sent it to and wasgoing through some stuff and he
listened I think it was just tothe first episode and he, he was
just so excited about it, got aton of insights from it and
wanted me to call him so hecould, he could talk to me and
tell me the things that he, thathe got from it.
(03:38):
But he said it was everythingthat he was going through and
then it just really ministeredto him.
So I know that we've talkedback and forth just about, you
know, maybe lighting up a fewtimes or doing something a
little bit different for thepodcast, because we always end
up just going right back to this, to the things that we talk
about, you know, but it justseems like that's just the way
the Lord's directing everything.
Yeah.
(03:59):
You know, it's where everybody'sat.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You know, I think you said you had somebody approach
you and tell you that they, theylove the podcast and to to keep
doing what we were doingbecause nobody was talking about
that stuff.
Yeah, yeah, I said to him.
I said to him yeah, you thinkwe should like lighten it up or
anything.
Sometimes I feel like it'sheavy and he's like no, no, no,
no, no, you know, cause, likemost, most, most of the time,
you're not hearing somethingthat's going that deep, like on
a Sunday morning, or somethingyou know.
Yeah.
Yeah, so all right, we'll justkeep doing what we're doing.
All right.
(04:29):
Game on.
I told Brian yesterday.
I said you know some people arecalled like to like certain
like areas.
You know like they might becalled to like.
You know like a really darkneighborhood or like a country
that has like a lot of you knowwhatever stuff going on, like a
country that has like a lot ofyou know whatever stuff going on
and like.
But I was like I feel likewe're called to like that, that
dark part of men's hearts youknow, the part where guys don't
(04:52):
want to go down there.
Nobody, nobody wants to go downthat street, you know, nobody
wants to open up that wound andand weirdly, unfortunately or
fortunately, I'm not sure theLord has taken us both through
those neighborhoods in our ownlives.
So we just have such a heartfor finding guys where they're
(05:15):
at.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So I heard this guy speakingthe other day.
I actually heard two guysspeaking and they both used this
verse and I tried to look it up, but I can't find it.
I know it's in, I think, 2Corinthians, but it says like
the Holy Spirit reveals to usthe things that he has freely
(05:38):
given to us.
It was like, I think it's in 2Corinthians, I thought it was
like 2.12 or something like that, but I'm not seeing it right
now, but I don't know.
If you want to look it up, yeah,but basically, you know, I just
thought, like man, we need topray this morning that the Holy
(06:03):
Spirit would reveal to us, like,all the wonderful things, all
the gifts that he's given us andall the stuff that he's doing
in our lives.
So, yeah, I'll just start withsome prayer.
Lord, we love you, we comebefore you.
Lord, we get on our knees, lord, in a posture of Lord.
Would you speak to us, lord?
Would you comfort us?
(06:23):
Would you reveal to us, lord,all you comfort us?
Would you reveal to us, lord,all of the wonderful things that
you have prepared for us, lord?
God, we're just thankful, lord,that you found us, lord, and
that you came and you picked usup, lord, and that we're just
one of your own Lord.
So this morning we just thankyou for that and, yeah, just be
(06:46):
with us in this podcast and bewith anybody who's listening and
just touch their hearts andtheir souls.
So, jesus name, amen.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Was it the Passion Translation?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I don't know, I don't think it was, but what do you
got?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
First Corinthians, 12 , 11.
Is that it?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I don I don't know you know it's funny I don't
think it was, but like you knowthat verse that says like um, no
eye has seen and no ear hasheard yeah yeah, it's like right
after that, um, um, yeah, Idon't know.
But what?
What a great start to thepodcast.
I'm talking about bible verse.
I have no idea about that'swhat we do.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
We're men.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
We don't ask for directions, we just shoot from
the hip.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
It's in there, you couldn't get any more man than
that.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
It's in the book.
You know the thingy, the manualIs that it, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Hold on.
That's right after that verse.
Yeah, let's see.
That's literally the scriptureright after that no, I S C, no E
R S R E, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oh, yeah, okay, Okay, cool, awesome, you found it.
So, yeah, it is.
Oh, it's 1 Corinthians.
I was looking in 2 Corinthians,1 Corinthians 12, 2.
It says Now, we too.
It says, um, now we havereceived not the spirit of the
world, but the spirit who isfrom God, that we might know the
things that have been freelygiven to us by God.
(08:14):
And I was like whoa, that waskind of like I don't know.
I just saw it.
I saw it like in a new way,like the Holy Spirit.
One of the things that he doesis is he reveals to us the
things that have been freelygiven to us by God.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I don't know, I just love that verse.
I was like dude, that is cool.
Like you know how sometimeswe're like you know.
I think God's saying this to meand it's like.
That's that verse you know,it's like he's revealing these
things to us, Like you know,like you know how sometimes
we'll have like a wacky story.
We're like man the lord'stelling me this, or he showed me
this like vision or whateverit's like.
That is like the proof of thatyou know like that's.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
His job is to reveal all that god's given to us, you
know yeah, well, it's fine, andfind it in in the word where you
know it's like okay, I'm not,I'm not off base, right?
He's like right like yeah whatI'm feeling or what I'm sensing
or what he's telling me to go do.
It's like it can be.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It's found right there in scripture, in the word
so it's like it lines up solet's go yeah, yeah, like you
might be, like you know what,like man, I'm so free, I'm
forgiven man, I'm like I'm a newcreation and you're walking
around feeling that that day,and it's like that is the holy
spirit revealing to you thethings that god's given to you.
You know it's, yeah, such a coolverse.
Yeah, it's good.
(09:26):
Yeah, yeah.
And it's weird because if youscroll back it says like no eye
has seen and no ear has heardthe things that God has prepared
for us.
But then it says but the HolySpirit was given to us so that
we could see those things.
Yeah, yeah, I was like I guessI never caught that before.
Like, like, like I guess Inever caught that before.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Like it's like the answer is right there, you know,
yeah, super cool.
That's why you got to read thewhole bible, not just one verse.
Oops, and take it out ofcontext.
Oh yeah, read before and afteroh shoot.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, that's gonna blow away my whole thing here.
I'm just kidding it's all right,there's grace, that's right,
that's right.
Anyways, I've been talking toyou like a little bit, like a
lot, about the renewing of ourminds.
Yeah and um, it's somethingthat I just kind of thought we
(10:19):
could talk about today for alittle bit.
Um, I feel like the Lord isdoing a work in me and um, yeah,
so, so, everybody knows thatverse, you know?
Um, this one is Romans 12 too.
Um, do you want to look that up?
(10:40):
Romans 12, 2.
Look it up in, like the NewKing James or something, because
I want to compare it.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Got it, okay, read it and do not be conformed to this
world but be transformed by therenewing of your mind that you
may prove what is that good andacceptable and perfect will of
God.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
All right, awesome.
That's kind of like the versionthat everybody knows.
You know, do not be or sorry,be transformed.
Do not be and do not beconformed to this world, but be
transformed by the renewing ofyour mind.
Okay, I like it too here.
In the passion translation itsays stop imitating the ideals
(11:25):
and opinions of the culturearound you hold on.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Let me get the flaming arrow right out of my
heart we in trouble now, butthere's more.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Be inwardly transformed by the Holy Spirit
through a total reformation ofhow you think.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Okay, hold on.
That's see.
That's why I love that versionbro I mean, this is good, the
New King James.
But then you read the PassionTranslation and it's just like
the five-finger death punch dudeto your heart.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, so totally, totally.
Yeah, you know, there's so muchin that, like in that new kind
of whatever.
There's just so much in it,okay, okay, the total
reformation of how you think I Iwas telling you this yesterday,
(12:30):
right, like I saw like apicture like of me, uh, holding
a bunch of ropes, right I wastelling you oh yeah, okay yeah.
So I'm gonna give you, like thegive everybody the picture, like
I kind of like I felt like thelord was showing me this picture
.
It was like me in my left handholding all these ropes and they
kind of went up to the skyalmost like a kite, but they
(12:53):
were big, thick ropes and I feltlike the Lord was saying to me
each one of these represents away that you think and you're
holding on for dear life withthese ways that you think and,
um, they there's even a part ofit where, like, I'm looking at
my arm and I'm thinking, man, myarm looks kind of strong right
(13:14):
now look at, look at all theseropes I'm holding, like I'm so,
like like I'm tough right, likeyeah, I'm so, I have like even
like pride in what I'm doing.
Okay, but the lord was sayingeach one of those ropes
represents like a way that youthink.
That is not how I think.
Yeah.
And it's like, and you areholding on to them for dear life
(13:36):
.
So each one of those ropesrepresents, like, a way that I
think you know, and the factthat I, that I'm holding onto
them so tight is, is causingactually me to be in bondage to
them, you know, and I felt likethe Lord was saying like if you
would like take each one ofthese thoughts and like, analyze
(13:59):
them and and like or and letthem go, you know, then you
could actually be set free andthat is the renewing of the mind
.
It's like I used to.
I was thinking of it as likethis total, like spiritual, like
woo-woo thing, but it's morelike.
It's more like granule, like,like, like.
I think, you know, I think likeI have to be this way, like, or
(14:24):
my life's not going to work outRight.
Or like you know, I think, likeI have to be this way, like or
my life's not going to work outRight, or like you know, and
what the Lord is saying is like,if you would let go of that and
just let your life be like, youwill be fine.
You know what I mean, um, butit's like you get caught up like
holding all these thoughts thatare not his thoughts.
You know, um, you know, one ofthe ones, one of the ones I've
(14:48):
struggled with over the years,is like so if you guys don't
know me, it's like you know Iwas married and then I got
divorced, you know, and havekids, and then you know, now I'm
remarried, but like there wasthis part of me where I was like
man, like my life so this is arope I'm holding onto my life
didn't turn out like I thoughtit was going to be.
(15:08):
Now it can't be good and Ididn't.
It's subconscious, like I didn'tknow I was thinking that like,
but it was like I was so heldonto this like picture of, like
how my life had to be, that thennow, like now I'm in bondage
and the Lord's like, he's likeshowing me these things like one
by one, like this thing is away that you think and and you
(15:31):
can like be renewed in that way.
Right, yeah, because I meanthat's what the word says.
Like you know, your ways arenot my ways, like, and he came
to renew us, he came to restoreus, he came to forgive us, to
like give us new life.
You know, but if we're holdingon to these like ropes, like
we're not actually allowing himto change our mind and it can
(15:55):
actually be super difficult tochange our mind you know like we
can be really, really set inour ways because, like, letting
go of the ropes feels like well,I mean, it feels like letting
go of control yeah, 100, 100,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
What do you think that thing is that causes us to
believe and wholeheartedly,heartedly, just subscribe to the
lie?
Right, because it's essentiallywhat it is right.
It's a lie that we havebelieved.
Right, the enemy is sown, adeception, and then we actually
(16:35):
take pride in it because wethink we're doing good by
handling it ourselves.
But really what we're doing iswe've believed a lie to the
point where we're just like noweverything in our life is
wrapped around this.
Right, this goes this also goesalong with some things we've
already talked about where it'slike you're where, where it's
anchored, where is your thoughtlife anchored?
(16:56):
Where is your, where are youremotions anchored?
And it's like I'm holding on toall of these ropes, dude.
I've anchored my belief systemin a way to all of that right,
so I'm essentially believing alie like what do you think it is
that causes us?
Is it just easier to believethat because we maintain some
sort of control, or yeah, Idon't know.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I mean, there's a couple things I was thinking
like it reminds me a little bitand I hate saying this because
I'm just like, oh, I get soconvicted but it reminds me a
little bit of like the Phariseesright, the Pharisees were like
we know the word, we understandthe word, we know how it's
supposed to go.
Yeah.
And then when Jesus came, theywere like what the heck is this,
(17:40):
like?
This is not what it says.
And Jesus was like, no, no,you're wrong in your
interpretation.
Right, you, you were lookingfor something, but when the real
christ came, like you weren'topen to it, you know, or you
were so set in thinking that youknew, like this is the way it
(18:01):
should be, that you, you weren'topen to like the freeness of,
like the spirit, you know, yeah,yeah.
And then I think too, it's likethere's, there's a lot of flesh
in there, you know, becauseit's like we want to be in
control, we think, we think, weknow, and that's kind of like
(18:21):
the flesh, you know, like it'sgot to be this way, or I can't
be happy, or whatever, and tolet go of that is just
uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So maybe the so fleshing this out right, so
maybe the control feeds intothat deception right when we,
like, we're grabbing onto thesefalse ideas or on to these
things out of fear, or whateverthe case is, and by doing that
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we've somehow, in a weird andtwisted way, feel that we're
empowering ourselves becausewe're under the facade of being
in control.
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, like we're believing andthrowing everything we have into
this basket, dude, that it'slike I'm going to hold on to
this rope.
I'm going to continue tobelieve this thing, right here.
Right.
Right and I've got falsecontrol, but it's like I feel
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like I'm doing something.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, yeah.
I've had this like thing in myhead for like a couple of years
where I feel like the Lord's,like, like I see myself like at
the top of a waterfall, like ina boat, like madly paddling back
up river right and he's likewould you just let yourself go
(19:39):
over the edge?
Yeah, Just let yourself.
Go to me, man, Like let it go,Like I'll, because it means you
don't trust me.
That's what it means right Likeif you're not like I'm telling
you like everything's going tobe okay, Trust me, Like just
like, let everything go, Justyou know, believe and and just
(20:03):
go forward, right.
But we're like, nope, I'mpaddling upstream because I
don't want to go over that edge,because why?
It's scary?
yeah so maybe that's part of it.
It's like it's scary to givegod full control, but in the
meantime we were just sweatingdude paddling uphill yeah with
everything we've gotten, it'smiserable.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, so I think that's probably the the.
The realness of that right Isus not being sure inside that we
can trust God in freedom?
Yeah, like he's more thanwilling to bring freedom, but
I've trusted in this system thatI've set up for so long that I
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don't know anything else andit's absolutely horrifyingly
freaking me out to have to say,yes, I have to trust somebody
else.
Right this goes back to what wewere talking about before.
It's like I think an episode ortwo ago where it was like I was
going through some stuff andyou were just encouraging me to
like.
Well, you know, you just don'tknow, god, in that area in your
(21:07):
life yet, right, like, so you'relike, you're going through this
and you just you haven't, liketrusted him to be there for you
in that area, so just ask him tohelp you trust him in this area
and to to show you this side ofhim, right, right, so anything
that goes along with that, too,is like, well, we have to be
willing to to, yeah, relinquishthe control, but that freaks us
(21:30):
out.
Yeah, because we don't know himright in that way right, right,
and he's absolutely 100 of thetime wanting to reveal himself
in that way to us to show us Ican be there for you, I can take
care of you.
Yeah, I got you, don't worryabout it, right, but we have, we
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struggle with that.
Yeah, so I think it's.
It's.
There's a trust issue there too, because we're just not sure,
right.
I mean, dude, we in life,everybody lets us down there
there's disappointment I meanall day, long, day long in every
area of our life.
Yeah.
Right, and it's really easy toget caught up in that and just
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describe that.
Well, god must be the same.
Right, because this is all weknow.
Right, this is all we know isour interactions with each other
, with coworkers or our family,you know, in society, it's like
this is the only thing that weunderstand.
So this must be the way that itis with God.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, yeah, I heard a pastor say something that I was
like, oh, that's kind ofinteresting.
He said when we getdisappointed with man, we get
disappointed with God.
I was like huh, like it waslike.
He was like we're all so likeinner connected, like you know
something that we can.
It's almost like a tendencywhere we can be like you know,
(22:52):
man has let us down, so thenlike we feel let down by God.
You know, I totally relate tothat.
You know what I mean.
I relate to that big time.
You know, I've even been likein fights with God.
You know like what the heck?
You know, like why, why, how,why and how could you have let
that happen?
You know, um, yeah, and just sointeresting, and yeah, I don't
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know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it'sthat's.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
That's the hard one, and I feel like we always kind
of the last, you know, since thefirst episode actually, I feel
like we always kind of since thefirst episode actually, I feel
like we always have kind of hiton this, because this is, I
think, a major hang-up of oursIs that we don't we ascribe
everything that happens innatural life to the Father and
(23:40):
to Jesus and to the Holy Spirit.
Well, if this is the way it isin life, this is the way it must
be with them too.
Right, and I think a lot of itis that we just haven't taken
the time either through becauseof fear or whatever the case is.
It's like to to get to knowthem and just ask a simple
question.
I think a lot of times we'rejust we're just unsure and maybe
(24:01):
even just a little bit afraidto ask the question.
Right, like it doesn't matterhow how many times we hear a
message, how many times we'reencouraged by a fellow believer,
somebody else, like god isclose, holy spirit resides
inside of you.
Like I mean, we have the wordthat tells us that jesus sticks
closer than a brother.
It doesn't matter how manythings we experience or hear
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that tells us how close God is.
We just don't like choose tounderstand that.
Yeah.
Right.
It's like if we would just openour mouth and ask him a
question, he would more thanhappy to answer, right.
So it's like I think the thingis is that we're just unsure,
and so maybe that's the startingpoint.
(24:44):
Is just like, I need you toshow me how to move past this,
because I'm, I'm afraid, likedude.
Everybody in my life has let medown, like I have all these
things going on, right, I'vebeen hurt by this and by this.
He knows all that.
Yeah.
Right, but it's like if we wouldjust take the time to stop and
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just have a regular conversation, right?
He would answer.
Yeah.
And it may come in the form ofhim speaking to your heart.
It may come in the form of himspeaking to you, where you can
hear his voice.
It may come in a scripture ofhim speaking to you and where
you can hear his voice.
It may come in a scripture.
It may come from a friend ofyours that you know, somebody
that goes to church, or a bestfriend or somebody like that
(25:26):
that has you know something,something to say.
The lord will give themsomething, and it's like that's
exact thing that you needed tohear yeah you know.
but it's like it all goes backto starting the conversation
with god and I think people arereally cause I know that I have
been over the years it's likereally afraid to just open your
mouth and start thatconversation.
I think some of it's becausewe're afraid of what he might
(25:48):
say.
Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Which isn't.
He's never going to tell usanything that's bad.
Never going to tell us anythingthat's going to hurt us.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, and I feel like it's circling right back to the
, the renewing of your mindthing, right, because that,
because I've also been thinkinglike, like, if you look at what,
what, at the promises that he'smade to us, right, and I think
(26:18):
we get foggy because maybe we'relike blending like our
experience in real life with ourexperience in the spirit, and
maybe it's not like, maybe weshould.
We need to be able to separateit more.
You know, like you said, likeall these people, let me down.
Therefore, everybody, allthings, let me down even
including God, but it's but.
So I've been thinking like man.
(26:40):
The scriptures do not say thatyou know, it's like the
scripture says the polaropposite of that, like I will
never leave you, I will neverforsake you.
It's like I feel like we got.
We got to get back to arenewing of our mind, even of
just what it says in the Bible,and taking that and placing it
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over like all of the things thatwe think Right, and that's like
the renewing of the mind.
That is like letting go of therope.
Right Of man, I think allpeople let me down and so you
were going to let go of thatrope and we're going to then
just remember, like God'sversion of of of that you know,
which is like I will never uh,you know leave you or forsake
(27:23):
you.
And I just I'm like Lord, I needa total, like it says.
I need a total reformation ofhow I think you know, and I need
to be able to take thescriptures and place them higher
than my own thinking, becausethat's where we get in trouble,
(27:43):
you know, big time, because ifwe really lived according to the
scriptures like, we wouldprobably not find ourselves in
so much trouble, so much drama.
You know, so much garbage,garbage.
(28:04):
It's like we're just we areactually living more off of here
.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
It is what we say rather than what he says, you
know yeah, yeah, I'm lookingsomething up right now because
you got me thinking yeahephesians 5 trying to see what
version to be better.
Ephesians 5 trying to see whatversion would be better.
26 and 27.
So this is on the hills ofChrist, speaking to about
(28:28):
marriage and the church.
But there's a portion in herewhere renewing our mind can come
in a few ways, but one of themajor ways is through the word
of God.
Right, this is can come in afew ways, but one of the major
ways is through the word of God.
Right, this is.
This is so.
We keep everything in contextbecause I now I have to, because
I said something earlier.
(28:48):
I'm not reading one verse.
I'm so busted right now, um, soI'll read it.
In the new King James, it's umfive, 26 to 27.
If you want to find, do youhave the?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
passion.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Say it again what was it?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Ephesians 5, 26 to 27 .
It's a good.
Two verses are good, but it'sthe second part of verse 26 that
I want to focus in on becauseit has to do with the whole
renewing of the mind.
So let's see here New KingJames version, all right.
So it says I'll start off in 25, but it's 26 and 27.
(29:27):
I want to focus on husbandsLove your wives, just as Christ
also loved the church and gavehimself for her.
Verse 26, that he mightsanctify and cleanse her with
the washing of the water of theword, that he might present her
to himself a glorious church,having not having spot or
wrinkle or any such thing, butthat she should be holy and
(29:48):
without blemish, right.
So it's.
It's verse 26 where it's thewashing, by the're reading the
word like it's literallycleansing you right yeah, and
it's, it doesn't.
It's not just, it's not just onepart.
(30:09):
Right, you're, you're reading,it starts in your mind, right
you see, with your eyes.
It goes into your brain.
You're trying to comprehend it,trying to understand it, and
it's working its way down, right, so you have the knowledge.
You've read it.
Right Now it goes from thereinto your heart, where you get
an understanding from it, right,and then from there it moves
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into this thing where they bothget married.
You have the intellectual andthe understanding, the knowledge
, you have the heart, and itturns into a revelation Right
when it's applied.
I think you and I just talkedabout this yesterday.
Yeah.
It was like how do we makeapplication to a lot of these
things?
Yeah, well, you have to havethe knowledge of what you've
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read, you have to have it hityour heart so you have an
understanding from it.
Right, the Holy Spirit has toreveal that understanding from
it.
Right, the holy spirit has toreveal that, I mean, those two
things marry.
That offspring is a revelationwhich you then can apply to your
life and move forward.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, yeah, it's gotta like yeah, I'm seeing it
like it's gotta like come in andthen you have to like, allow it
to like make, make room in yourmind or whatever, and then also
you got to let the old way ofthinking go 100%.
So it's kind of like you got tobe filled up with that word in
(31:28):
your mind and then and you gotto like physically or I think
that's what the Lord is showingme is you have to intellectually
let your old way of thinking go.
You're going to say like I usedto think, like this, you know
and now.
I.
And now I'm going to choose tothink like this.
You know it's like, it's likethe old song, like I once was
(31:52):
blind, but now I see, you knowit's like I once thought this
way.
That is the way I thought, youknow, maybe even yesterday
that's the way I thought.
You know, maybe even yesterdaythat's the way I thought.
But this word says this, and sotoday I'm going to choose to
believe this right, which iswhat repentance it's metanoia
(32:14):
yeah, a change of mind rightchange of mind wow, it's all
interlinked sorry, we're gonnahave to pause for a moment
because our minds are no yeahit's the water, it's the washing
of the word.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Dude, it's exactly what you said.
It's like it's literallyrepentance.
Right, repentance isn't justsaying I'm sorry.
Yeah.
Like it's the word metanoiait's you literally are having a
change of thought, like you hiton something where it's like I
have to choose.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
To want to think different right, I look at it in
terms to when you were talkingto, I was hearing this.
It's like the illustration oflight and dark.
Light and dark cannot occupythe same place at the same time.
Yeah.
Right, light will alwaysovercome Right.
So, if we look at light as thenew revelation and the things
(33:11):
that the Lord is trying to teachus, and dark is the way that
our old ways of thinking thataren't Christ-like are worldly,
that need to be renewed andchanged, right, when we take in
that word and it washes us,light is replacing darkness,
right, but it only stays when wechange the way that we think by
(33:33):
repenting.
It's like I'm not going to dothis anymore.
I'm not going to think this waybecause this is not right.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I'm going to think this way because this is what
the word says yeah, yeah, yeahthere's so many things in there,
oh my gosh, yeah, um, you know,it's kind of funny.
I'm almost seeing it like likesay there's a guy right and and
(34:02):
he's like he wasn't saved andit's like and like he used to,
you know, rob banks Right.
He's like I used to rob banksRight, but now he's like but now
I don't rob banks Like, I dothings like I don't steal, right
, because that's what the wordsays, you know.
And so it's like it's a physicalversion of that, but what I'm
(34:22):
thinking is, like there's athere and, and that's what
happens, like when we get, whenwe become saved like we, we
start kicking out all the oldthings that we do Right.
But what I'm, what I, what Ifeel like, is where the Lord is
like kind of working on us, islike he's getting down to the
nitty gritty.
You know, he's like in your, inyour, in your quietest part of
(34:45):
your mind you think this way andthat has to be, that has to go.
Yeah, that little thingactually is causing you so much
pain.
You know like you've got toreplace that thing, just like
the guy who's like I can nolonger rob banks, right Cause
well, that's obvious, like don'trob banks, we all know Right.
(35:07):
But but we're like way morecomfortable with us thinking
these little thoughts that maybenobody knows, you know that are
, are these things that we'reholding onto that are not in
alignment, like, with what Godsays?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, our thought life is huge, bro.
I mean, I mean everything likestarts there right.
I mean, that's where the enemystarts his attack.
Dude, right, I mean dude.
I don't know how long ago, butthat book that Joyce Myers wrote
(35:49):
, the Battlefield of the Mind,right Years.
I mean it's probably 20 yearsago.
But that's basically what itwas talking about.
It's how the enemy sows theselies and sows these ideas, and
you and I even talked about itrecently where it's like, before
you even realize what'shappening, like you, you're
(36:11):
already thinking that same trainof thought as what he just
sowed right right.
So, I case in point, thishappened to me the other day.
Right, I was, I had woken upand, um, still like trying to
make some changes in my life,right, in terms of like stress
(36:31):
and anxiety and things like that.
But I woke up and the enemy hadsown a thought and I wasn't
even awake yet, I wasn't evenhalf awake yet.
I just opened my eyes and thethought was there and I got up
and sat on the side of the bedat like 1 30 in the morning and
I was like, oh my gosh, he waslike sewing a lie, like about
(36:54):
something in my life and I was,my mind just like took that and
then, like top fuel, dragged itall the way down to the end of
the track Right Nitrous and allLike gone.
And it took the Lord sayingsomething in that moment to get
my attention off of what mybrain was running away with, for
(37:17):
me to be like wait, that's what, that's what that?
No, that's not true and that'snot happening right right now,
yeah, right, but it was that's.
That's how subtle the enemyworks where he will.
He can literally just plant thethought and just walk away, and
(37:39):
our brains just like pick it up.
Yeah, yeah.
And just run with it.
And this is one of the reasonswhy our minds.
It's so important for us torenew our minds is because when
our minds are renewed, I believethat we catch that faster and
we're able to take that thingcaptive and throw it down.
Like we're instructed in theword yeah right and then allow
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the lord to deal with us likethere is something in us that
the enemy thought that he couldattach that to in order to keep
us deceived or keep us inbondage or keep us wherever
right, then we're not supposedto be yeah so then it's like the
job is to go after that thingand ask the tough question to
the lord.
It's like what is it in me thatthe enemy was trying to attach
(38:28):
that thought to?
that needs to change yeahbecause if we get rid of that
which is called the root, rightif we get rid of the root, then
nothing else can grow yeah, yeahhe's literally throwing
thoughts and trying to sowthoughts into soil that that
isn't prepared for that rightyeah, that's a tough one because
(38:56):
I think that it takes a lot ofwork.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
It takes, I don't know, or maybe not, maybe it
just takes like a serious, likeyou said conversation and then
you got to be open to hearingwhat the Lord responds to you.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
That's the biggest part.
That's really the biggest partis being open.
Yeah, because I mean some of usare really good at asking the
questions, but we're not so goodat listening.
Yeah, yeah, and then others arenot so good at making
application.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, it's like.
I remember I was at the doctorone time and the doctor was like
, he's like, and you know me, Itry to work out dude, I try to
stage tape, but the doctor'sjust like you need to lose some
weight, you know, and you'relike what?
Speaker 1 (39:40):
And I was weight, you know, and I was like what?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
And I was like what Right?
I was like, bro, you're like102 pounds, like we're just
different humans, you know.
But and I was like, well, I tryto eat good, you know, and I do
all this stuff and like, andyou eat too much.
And I was like, bro, you'restupid, get out of here, like
(40:04):
what he's just like, you justeat too much.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
And I was like what.
I know people who eat way morethan me.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Right, right, right right, and it was like that was
the word he gave me right andI'm just like, yeah, you're dumb
dude, I don't want to hear that.
Like that's stupid.
Right, yeah, but that's likeare we even open to the Lord
saying to us and revealing whatthe problem is?
Even if it's something thatwe're like like, our initial
(40:30):
reaction is like that's stupid.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
That's actually really good dude.
Yeah, because it's like hecould be bringing your attention
to something that you're See.
Okay, look, all right, we don'tknow everything.
Let me just get that out rightfront.
Right, I'm just gonna popeverybody's balloon and blow
everybody out of the water rightnow.
It's like we do not knoweverything.
Okay, speak for yourself, nothappening like we're.
(40:55):
We're so out of touch withwhat's really going on most of
the time.
Okay, we're human, all right.
So therein lies a problem,because a lot of times, I know
that even in my own personallife, the lord has brought
something to my attention andyou're like what right, that's
not going on in me and it's like, okay, look, if I told you
(41:18):
something, there's got to besomething going on with you,
right?
Because what does the Bible say?
He's not a man that he shouldlie, right, right, so if he's
bringing something to ourattention, there obviously must
be something that we need todeal with, right.
But we're so ready to dismissthat a lot of times because it's
(41:40):
like, well, it's not on myradar, so you must be off, yeah.
But then we go back again tothe trust issue because it's
like, well, if we trusted him,then we would take time to
consider what it is he's sayingand allow him to search our
heart to bring it to ourattention.
Right, right, but that's,that's a hard one to learn.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, yeah, especially for guys.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Right, right, no-transcript.
Like it is so hard for guys toeven go there.
Most guys are just like we justtoughen up.
(42:24):
You know, like when, whenthings aren't going our way, we
just get harder.
You know, we get stronger andwe get like more, like you know,
and like that's how we dealwith stuff.
Because, yeah, what's just?
it's just so weird that part ofus that's like we don't want to
dive into the darkness or justdive into the hurting part of
(42:44):
our souls because, like we don'twant to feel like but it's,
it's, it's so dumb, it's just sodumb of us.
You know, it's like the old guywho's like I haven't been to
the doctor and like you know 70years, and he's like proud of it
.
And you're like they're likeyeah well, you got cancer.
You're you're gonna be deadnext month.
Like you could have donesomething about that.
but he's like oh, you knowthat's literally, like you know,
(43:06):
and I hope that through thispodcast, like we, we're helping
guys, like you know, be able tolike like take off all of the
wrong armor that we have on andlike cut open our chest and like
see, like our, our beatingheart, like and just like, like
(43:30):
say Lord, like minister, to meabout my heart.
You know and where I'm at andwhy I do the things that I do
and why I act the way that I actand why I think the way that I
think you know.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
It's interesting you said that about the armor.
It's just like David andGoliath, right, when he stood up
in front of King Saul and hewas like, yeah, I'll go fight
that giant, right.
And Saul was quick to tell himwell, use the king's armor, use
my armor, yeah Right.
And he put it on and he wasjust like I can't do this, yeah
(44:05):
Right, I can't use this armor, Ihave to be myself and go fight
this giant myself.
Yeah.
Right, and it's like we have tohumble ourselves and just ask
the Lord instead of like, like,taking on something that we're
not supposed to take on.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, totally, totally All right.
Yeah, I got.
I'm going to wrap it with this.
This first I wanted to kind oftalk about going back to the
renewing of your mind thing.
First I wanted to kind of talkabout going back to the renewing
of your mind thing and thenalso a renewing of your mind to
be able to trust, like, what theLord is doing.
(44:47):
Right, that's what, that's whatI feel like he's saying.
So we just read, we startedwith Romans 12, two, where it
was saying you know, talkingabout stop imitating the ideals
and opinions of the culture,okay, but be inwardly
transformed by the Holy Spiritthrough the total reformation of
how you think.
Okay, that's 12.2.
So you were talking aboutcontext.
(45:08):
I want to be a good boy.
Yes, romans 11.
I'm going to read this like alittle bit out of order, but
this is actually okay.
All right, just settle in withme, boys, all right.
Romans 11.33 says is actuallyokay, all right, just settle in
with me, boys, all right.
Romans 11 33 says who couldever wrap their minds around the
(45:28):
riches of god, the depth of hiswisdom and the marvel of his
perfect knowledge?
Who could ever explain thewonder of his decisions or
search out the mysterious way.
Okay, now if you go back a fewmore verses, it's talking about.
(45:51):
It's titled the Mystery ofIsrael's Restoration, and it
talks about how God like for ashort, a short amount of time,
well, for a time, he has blindedisrael, right yeah okay, which
you're like dude.
That's not fair like what theheck, right.
But then it says until the fullnumber of non-jews have come
(46:15):
into god's family, so, so Godhas, like, blinded the Jewish
people so that then, like, thegospel message could come to
people like us who are not Jews.
So, through him, blinding themis the way that we were able to
find our salvation.
(46:35):
Okay, weird, right, seemsunfair, like what the heck?
That's weird.
But then it says but you know,after that God will bring all of
which.
This is a weird verse.
It says God will bring all ofIsrael to salvation.
I mean, it says all which isawesome, awesome, right, so.
(46:57):
But what I'm getting at is isis this?
There's a story here that'sweird, and when I read it I was
like my life is weird, right,like I'm like, okay, so this
story is weird.
It's like god came for the jews.
They kind of rejected him, sothen he put blindness on them,
but then that that blindnessactually then caused all of the
(47:19):
rest of the world to be saved,and then God's going to restore,
you know, the Jewish people.
And then it says like who couldever wrap their mind around the
riches of God, the depths ofhis wisdom, the marvels of his
perfect knowledge?
Who could ever explain thewonders of his decisions or the
(47:39):
search out the mysterious wayshe carries out his plans and
just like, what I got out ofthat was dude.
If your life is weird right now, it doesn't mean he's not in it
.
You know he did something herethat it.
This is not the way I would havebrought people to salvation,
(48:00):
right, you know, and we all havethese things in our lives where
we're like bro, like what theheck is going on right now.
This is dumb, stupid.
I don't like it.
It's not making any sense.
It's probably never going tomake sense, right, which is kind
of like that story, right there.
It's like why do the Jewishpeople have blindness on them?
(48:20):
Like that's jacked, it seemsjacked up, but it's part of his
plan and that, and it's thatgoes back to that verse.
His ways are not our ways.
(48:45):
And it's like who?
David strengthened himself inthe Lord, right, that's what
this verse does to me.
It strengthens I'mstrengthening myself in the word
like that man, my life looksweird right now.
My life looks so weird rightnow.
But god is a god who.
He doesn't do things like we dohim.
(49:05):
He doesn't do him in our timeframe that we want it done.
He might even do it in a waywhere everybody else is like
dude what is going on?
Speaker 1 (49:13):
yeah, but that there that says he is in control
always, always, yeah, yeah, Ithink we forget, right just how
marvelous and majestic and grandhe is.
(49:34):
Right, like I think that's oneof the biggest fights, dude,
that the enemy has with us isdoing whatever he can to cause
us to lose the wonder of god'sgreatness yeah right, like to
where we forget and we'reblinded to the fact that his
(49:59):
ways are not our ways.
Right, his grandeur andgreatness and how, just how much
higher he thinks than we do.
He sees the beginning from theend, right, and all the things
that don't make sense to us ormake perfect sense to him,
because we don't have thecomplete picture.
Yeah, right, what's thatscripture say?
Speaker 2 (50:17):
we know in part right , but one day we'll know in full
right, yeah, yeah.
So hang on to that.
Yeah, hang on to that.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah, hang on to that hope, yeah, yeah, ask him.
I know that that's been a prayerin my heart lately, for more of
the wonder and the amazement.
Right Like I want to be wowed,right Like, but not in like a
(50:51):
weird way.
It's like I like god has toshow off to do something.
It's like like he's so greatand so mighty and so majestic,
so personable, so, so beautiful,so lovely, so awesome, so
awe-inspiring, you know, terrorinspiring, you know, and it's
just like there's all theseattributes right, and it's just
(51:11):
like like, help me to alwaysretain the wonder of who you are
right because I feel that'sthen.
You and I've had someconversations on this lately,
dude, I think that's.
That's the fear of the lordyeah right, it's not a fear
where you're like, oh, I'm likeafraid of that, like scary type
of thing's.
It's a reverence and an awebecause we realize like just how
(51:34):
magnificent he is and how muchmore above our ways he is.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, yeah, totally, you know, I was reminded of
something earlier too.
It's like um, just also, likeyou know, just getting into a
time of worship you know, likeum, I heard somebody say the
other day like, you know, if youkeep focusing on the problem
and you just like, are alwayslike, if you're trying to figure
out the problem and look up theproblem and Google the problem
(52:00):
and pray about the problem, it'sjust like then.
It's just like then you justmagnify the problem.
Yeah.
And so, and what he was sayingwas like, get into worship, you
know.
Like, like, do somethingdifferent, like, let let the
Holy Spirit come and justminister to you.
Right.
Like you don't got to, likefigure it, like just go.
(52:21):
And even that might seemcounterintuitive, you know, it
does to me sometimes, you know,but something can happen.
As we worship him, you know, wejust find some freedom, yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
I had a chance to um to minister a church on Sunday
this past Sunday and that's oneof the parts in my message was
talking about.
You know, we always hear of thegreat, the goodness of God, and
you know his love and his mercyand all this other.
(52:57):
But there's also a part of him,like where the Psalms and other
scriptures talk about like theterror of the Lord, right, and
just how awesome and and justthunderous presence and all
these things, right.
It's Psalms 29 is is one of oneof the ones that goes through
(53:21):
that description where he justis able to strike fear and bring
mountains low, and I encourageyou guys just to read that in
Psalms 29.
The Passion Translation alwaysis just one of the best
descriptive versions, but inthere it just talks about him
(53:42):
speaking and making deer givebirth right.
And the snow being knocked offof mountains and trees being
leveled.
You know, and it's I think weforget, like we hear so much
about the love of god, and onthe one side of him, but there's
the other side of him whereit's like like he literally is
the god of the universe, wherehe has created all of these
(54:03):
things and all of these thingsare subject to him and he's able
to strike fear and terror intothe hearts of those right, I
mean, but in like a fear of thelord way.
You know, yeah, unless you're anenemy of god right, right yeah
but it's like I I was tellingthe congregation, it's just like
think, think about that for amoment.
Like it says that he could makethe mountains lay bare, right
(54:27):
the trees, like like just knockthem flat to the ground.
Just from him speaking, I meanthink about what that must look
like.
Yeah, right, I mean you talkabout striking fear in in the
hearts of everyone.
That would see it, you know, um,let's talk about here it's
splintering the mighty forest,shaking the snowy peaks, with
(54:51):
his ear, splitting sound, making.
When he speaks and revealshimself, he makes the fault
lines quake.
You know and I was trying toget across to the congregation
it's like to think about whatthat's saying.
It's like it's part of who heis right.
It's like this.
This psalm 29 describes thoseattributes of the fear of the
(55:13):
lord but, and more importantly,is like when we understand that,
imagine what the enemy seesyeah right, right, like this is
this is who, who he is, andwe're supposed to fear him in
that holy, reverent way.
But this, it's not meant to usto be a negative thing.
Right so it's like when theenemy sees that, just how much,
(55:34):
how much more fear does thatstrike into his heart, right
Like when we invite the presenceof the Lord into our lives and
we into our situations and it'slike it's it's all of him.
We don't just get part of him.
We get the loving grace, mercyand all of that right, the
forgiveness and all of thatright, but we also get the awe
and terror inspiring part of himtoo, because that's also part
(55:57):
of his personality and it's likethis is also who lives within
us.
Yeah right yeah it's like thescripture says, it's like the
same spirit that raised christfrom the dead resides within us,
right?
So it's like all of that powerlike is living in us as
believers.
So it's like we just never tapinto that, yeah, right, because
(56:18):
we're losing.
If we've lost the wonder andthe amazement of God and his
awesomeness, it's like we forgetthat.
It's like this is also who heis.
It's like when he fights for'slike this is also who he is.
It's like when he fights for us,this is what the enemy sees,
right?
Speaker 2 (56:33):
yeah, it's like he speaks dude and the fault lines
quake and open up so cool, likeI don't think I've ever thought
about this, but I was thinking,like you know, I think like the
Bible is um literal andspiritual, if that makes sense.
You know, like I think, likewhen it says, like you know he
(56:54):
speaks and it lays the mountainsbare, you know, um, the fault
lines quake like it's it said,it means what it says, but also
I always think that there's likea spiritual application and I
was thinking, you know, maybeit's like when he speaks and
when we were listening and whenwe, when we ask him to speak,
like he can lay bare your soul.
(57:16):
You know, like he can likecause your like inner fault
lines to quake.
He could cause something in youto give birth.
You know what I mean, likespiritually.
You know, like I got thismountain and it's covered in
dirt or whatever he speaks, andjust boom and it just blows
everything out you know, yeah,yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
I think that's one of the things I told you yesterday
.
It was like it's in thisprocess with dealing with stress
and anxiety and some of theother things I've been dealing
with.
It's like it's literally like Icouldn't.
I couldn't do anything to helpmyself at all in any of the
situations.
I've ever been in and what did Itell you yesterday?
It took it took God allowing meto hear him speak.
Yeah, right, because he's theonly one that's powerful enough
(58:01):
and strong enough to interruptwhat I was thinking and the fear
and anxiety and the otherthings the enemy was trying to
sow, like by me hearing hisvoice, he was able to interrupt
the thing that was happening, toget me to divert my attention
off of that thing onto him, tolisten to him.
And then he speaks into thatsituation, yeah, and it just
(58:23):
dissipates, right, right, butthat's like I can't do it in my
own strength, and this is partof goes even goes back to
renewing of the mind too,because it's like we have to
understand who he is right.
And it's like he's that powerfulwhere, if you're like you're
stuck with anxiety or fear, your, your marriage or whatever the
case is like, and he speaks intothe situation.
(58:44):
Just him speaking into thesituation is powerful enough to
interrupt what the enemy isdoing and the hurt that it's
causing and confusion that it'scausing inside of us, to get our
attention.
Yeah, our problem, I think andmy problem was a lot of the
times is I didn't stop andchange direction and listen to
him.
(59:04):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't move withhim.
You were sort of stunned in themoment, him it just, you were
sort of stunned in the momentand then you just sort of moved
on yeah just thankful it wasover yeah but because he's been
renewing my mind and my heartdaily and we've been in this
process like I'm starting to getit now where I'm like I'm
taking time to pause and be likeokay, what's?
(59:26):
There's something more in thisright.
He's trying to change the waythat I'm thinking and the way
that I'm looking at thissituation that I've been dealing
with and struggling with.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yeah, there's something that's so interesting
and hard about all this stuffbecause, like, if I want to get
in shape, I got to work, right,I got to.
I gotta get up early, I gottago to the gym, I gotta lift
weights, I gotta like.
Then I gotta like do exercise,I gotta like do cardio, I gotta
(59:57):
eat.
Well, I have to do a lot ofstuff.
So we kind of take that likesame model and we say like I
need to, I need to change mylife, my stuff in my spiritual
life.
And we got to do work.
But it's funny because just theother day I was like, you know,
I was like Lord, like what am Isupposed to be doing right now
about this situation?
(01:00:17):
And I felt like he was justlike nothing, like just give it
to me and just let it go, youknow, and I was like, well, that
doesn't seem very, you know waytoo simple.
Right, but but again, going backto the thing of me holding onto
(01:00:43):
all these ropes, I mean, maybethat is the thing.
It's like you know I'm I'mtrying to thing.
It's like you know I'm I'mtrying to do all this stuff over
here, but if I would just letgo and let God do like whatever
and trust him, you know, so it'slike it's so counterintuitive
and it almost seems like, well,you're not doing anything you
(01:01:05):
know, but maybe the problem isthat we're always doing
something and it's not helping.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, hmm.
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Yeah, doing too much.
Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Yeah, because I mean I've said this to you before
it's like all change that hasoccurred in my life has only
come through the Holy Spiritdoing a miracle in me yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I've never been able to change myself yeah so I think
that's what the lord was tryingto get me to realize the other
day.
It's like I, I can't change theway that I think I'm not strong
enough to change.
You know, if I'm dealing withanxiety, it's like I or fear
whatever.
It's like I'm not strong enoughto fight that I can't.
(01:02:05):
I can't out think it, I can'tout feel it, I can't out
maneuver it, I can't do anythingapart from him yeah I only
band-aided at the best rightright, right.
but when he speaks and then Igrab a hold of that, it's
shattered right, right,completely.
(01:02:27):
Yeah, because what does it say?
It's like at the name of Jesus,every knee will bow.
Yeah, every tongue will confessthat he is Lord.
That even means the situations.
If it has a name, it's got tobow.
Yeah, right, yeah.
If you're going throughsomething, it's got a name, it's
got to bow.
Yeah.
If you're dealing with canceror a disease or something, if
(01:02:49):
it's got a name, it's got a bow.
Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
If you're dealing with fear and anxiety, it's got
a bow yeah, it's good to becontinued yeah, I know we need a
24 hour podcast where we justkeep talking, because there's no
end to all this he's just doneso much stuff, man.
Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
There's just too much stuff to talk about yeah, too
much goodness actually.
Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Right, yeah, you want to?
Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
pray us out yeah, lord, we just thank you for
today.
We thank you for all those thatare listening.
We thank you for literallyeverything.
Thank you for all those thatare listening.
We thank you for literallyeverything that you've brought
us through every trial, everysituation, every hardship, every
time that we thought that youhad left us high and dry and you
were just dealing with ourhearts, causing us to think
(01:03:42):
different and to follow you intoa place that we didn't
understand and we didn't know.
We pray that anybody that islistening to this podcast, that
they would challenge themselvesto pursue you in a way that they
haven't, that they wouldchallenge themselves to listen
to you and to be obedient towhat you're trying to do, that
they would find the strength andthe courage to begin to read
(01:04:06):
your word daily and to engageyou on the daily, to find out
what your will is for their life.
We pray that you would justhelp them, in every aspect of
their life, to know thegreatness and the wonder of who
you are.
In Jesus' name, amen, amen,amen.
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Yeah, hey guys, go to our uh instagram.
Um, there is a link where youcan click on it and it's got.
Uh, we actually made some merch, that's there.
And then also, um, there's someother links in there over to
our youtube page, to our tiktokpage and then also, um, if
you've been like following onour instagram, I also have like
(01:04:46):
a daily devotional that'sbasically just reading through
the Proverbs, yeah, and it'skind of like, I mean just like a
meditation.
I've actually been re-listeningto it like at night before I go
to sleep, but it's, it's a goodthing.
If you guys just want to spenda little time in the word, just
listening it's just a reading ofthe Psalm of the Proverbs,
sorry so.
And then if this has ministeredto you, man, send it to another
(01:05:11):
guy or gal, it doesn't matter,but send it to somebody that you
think it will minister to,because that's just what we're
super excited about is, yeah,just helping folks out, for sure
later, guys.
Bye, bye, folks out, for sure,later Bye.
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