May 10, 2025 • 49 mins
Have you ever caught yourself studying the Bible faithfully but missing the Person it reveals? That disconnection between religious knowledge and intimate relationship forms the heart of this raw, honest conversation about truly knowing God.
Relationships shape our perception of God in profound ways. The father wounds many carry unconsciously distort how we view our heavenly Father—and consequently, how we receive from Him. "The way that we view Him absolutely determines the way we receive from Him," becomes a pivotal insight that unlocks understanding of our spiritual struggles. When humans disappoint us, we often feel disappointed in God, transferring our pain onto our relationship with Him.
This episode explores a transformative spiritual practice: consciously inviting Jesus into every situation as though He were physically present. Rather than treating prayer as a formal religious exercise, what happens when we imagine opening our front door to welcome Jesus into our living room? What shifts when we read scripture not to accumulate knowledge but to discover His heart? The contrast between reading about someone and actually sitting down for conversation with them illuminates why Jesus told His disciples that having the Holy Spirit would be better than having Him physically present.
Most revealing is the parallel between our lives and the Israelites who witnessed divine miracles yet still built golden calves when Moses delayed. "I used to think these guys were stupid," one host admits, "until I realized that's exactly what I do." Our modern idols—whether relationships, achievements, or even subtle dependencies—promise security but ultimately lead to ruin. True security comes only from complete dependence on God.
The journey of "dying a little more" daily isn't about religious toughness but intimate surrender. It's about having the courage to ask God what He thinks about our situations rather than simply presenting our complaints. And perhaps most counterintuitively, submission to God's authority becomes the very key that unlocks our access to true strength and transformation.
Will you continue reading about Him, or invite Him into the room today?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Knowing him, depending on him, having him as
my total source will bring mesecurity.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
You know, and safety and life and joy and peace, and
depending on anything else willlead me to ruins.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh, good morning, Jesus.
We thank you for this day.
We thank you for theopportunity to come together
again and talk about the thingsof your kingdom, talk about the
things that we walk through inlife as men, and we pray that
you would just give us wisdomand understanding this morning
in Revelation, and we pray thatyou would just download into our
hearts and our minds the thingsthat you would like us to
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discuss today and the thingsthat you'd like us to talk about
, and pray that you would helpus to work through the verses
that will come and the, thestories and the, and the things
that will come that we're goingto be talking about today, and
pray that you would help us justto navigate that holy spirit.
I pray that you would just leadand guide and whoever needs to
hear this, that they would, uh,that you would just prick their
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heart and that did, they wouldlisten, and that you would give
them ears to hear and a heart toreceive and understand what
you're going to do through thispodcast.
In Jesus' name, we pray.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Amen, amen, amen, good morning.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Good morning, welcome to the Die A Little More
podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Where every day we die just a little more.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Right, right, right.
And you know, it's funny, likebecause I think like when we
created the name, we were likewe were kind of being like tough
about it, like we're tough guys, yeah, and I think because it's
well all right, like here's thedeal, Like here's behind the
scenes.
Right, Like we want to pretendlike we're tough guys Right.
Here's the deal, here's behindthe scenes.
(02:06):
We want to pretend like we'retough guys Full transparency,
full transparency.
Here Nobody's listening, butwhat I'm learning is like dude
dying to ourself is actually themost intimate thing, and the
tougher I am as a man, the lessI'm able to do it Right it's man
the less I'm able to do itRight.
(02:26):
So it's like, the more if we.
I feel like the Lord is justcontinually like.
He's like leading me down thesepaths, right, he's like like
tricking me essentially.
Come down this path, right overhere, like let's talk about
this thing, know, and and gently, you know, like present, almost
like we're going down a path.
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There's a table there,presented with this thing, right
, that I need to learn aboutmyself or I need to learn about
life, and and he's like, and heshows me it, and he's just like
do you want to?
Well, the reality is, do youwant to learn?
Do you want to trust me enoughto come closer to me and to know
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me more?
Right, right, and uh, it's likeit's, it's our decision and
that's, that's the dying alittle more.
You know, it's not, it's not,it's not like tough guy stuff,
it's just a clever name so yousaid something right now.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We prayed beforehand just to send the lord help us
know which way to go, and yousaid something right now about
how the lord was.
You say gently yeah okay, solet's just get it out there.
A lot of us, as men, didn'treally have awesome father
figures right, didn't have thedads that were always there,
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went to the baseball games,helped you with your homework,
you know.
Went on hunting trips, you know.
Whatever the case is, didthings together.
You know a lot of a lot ofpeople.
Sadly, a lot of men didn't havethat to look up to, right.
So I know for sure that thatskews and and distorts the way
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we see the father right.
Yeah, you know it.
It can't help but do that right.
The only relationship,relational things that we know
in life right are examples thatare taken from every single day
right, right the way we, yeah,the way we interact, the way
that you know we see otherpeople interact in society and
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in culture, dude.
So we form our own opinions offof all of those things about how
we should view the father right, and I think one of the things
he's doing is he's refining andpurifying the way that we view
him, because that absolutelyokay.
So here's, this is going to begood.
The way that we view himabsolutely determines the way we
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receive from him yeah always,oh, yeah, yeah right if our view
of him is distorted or pollutedor jaded or whatever by things
that we've experienced in thepast or haven't experienced in
the past, that automaticallygets translated to him and on
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him, and then we view him thatway, through that filter.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, I heard somebody say something like
recently and I was kind of likeI don't I'm not exactly sure
what I think about it, but I waslike I think it's right
actually, and he said um, a lotof times, um, when humans
disappoint us, we automaticallyfeel disappointed in God.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
That's exact, that's, and I was kind of like, huh and
, and so, when that's exactlywhat you're saying, yeah, and,
and it goes for every person whoyou know like, has a, like a, a
father wound, a mother wound, awife wound, anything, you know,
a friend wound, it's like like,unfortunately, and this is
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where the enemy, who is sotricky, he gets in there.
You know, yeah, and, and I, Ireally struggled with this for a
long time.
I didn't even know, but mydisappointment in things that
happened in my life, I, Iautomatically just bounced it to
the father right.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
You know why.
You know, why do we think thatis?
I mean, it probably is a lot ofreasons, but I think there's
this misnomer, this misbelief,dude, that, like you know, okay,
well, if God's in charge, theneverything's supposed to be
perfect, because God's perfect,right, like we know deep down
inside that he is perfect, right, yeah, and he is holy.
(06:45):
We're just wired and createdthat way, but we, we absolutely
put that off on him, like thislife is supposed to be some sort
of fairy tale.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Right and it's not, you know.
And so anything that happensnegatively we can easily, easily
ascribe to him Like anythingthat's great or good or
beneficial or pleasurable or anyof that stuff.
Like that we can like look athim and be like, yo thanks, that
was great, god right.
Automatically it's like, almostlike, without even thinking
about it.
But when things don't go theway they're supposed to, it's
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easy to shift the blame and putit right off on him, instead of
us looking into ourselves andseeing what we had to do with it
and what part we had to play.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, I think it's hard that to live in a world
where, like, we know God'sperfect and we know God's all
loving, but then we also seelike things go bad, you know,
and get very painful, and sowe're trying to like reconcile
that yeah you know, and get verypainful, and so we're trying to
like reconcile that.
Yeah, the hard part is or maybejust it takes hard work is to
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go.
You know what, like people havefree, will you know, and people
can do devastating things.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
And it's, it's, but it's and it's totally separate
from God.
You know, yeah, and one of thethings I've been struggling with
or thinking about is, like, asI've got, like, if I'm like in a
moment of hurt or pain orwhatever, or disappointment,
(08:18):
like have I completely, likejust forgot, like all the things
about God that I know that aretrue, you know, because I feel
like I'll just I throweverything out.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Well, I was going to say how fast does all of that go
out the window?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Exactly exactly.
Yeah yeah, yeah, and it's likeI heard somebody say something
like you know, when you're goingthrough a trial, like how close
you stay to God is, is like howmuch you know, how much
connection you have with God islike how much like you're you're
really believing, you know.
it's like we and he was sayingwe momentarily like forget the
things, we believe you know, andI do that all the time, and
(08:54):
then I come back to like, wait aminute, like I thought I
believe, and that's why I thinkit's important for us to stay in
the scriptures, reading all thetime, whatever, listening to
the word or whatever, because itneeds to be fresh in our mind,
and then we need to be remindedlike oh yeah, like I believe,
like god is going to work allthese things out for my good,
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you know, like, yeah, because weforget it.
Yeah, yeah, and and that's isn'tthat weird like we I say it to
you all the time I'm like, oh,yeah, like I'm supposed to be a
believer, like I'm supposed tobelieve these things and I have
just totally, apparently I'veforgotten all of them in the
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moment and maybe that's, likeyou know, being triggered.
You know, like our brains arehijacked, you know, and we also
get hijacked.
Like the first thing that'sgoing to go is probably anything
spiritual that we know.
You know the enemy's going towant to like just throw some
water on that fire, you knowyeah yeah so that's actually a
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scripture which you said.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It's psalm 103 too says praise the lord, oh my soul
, and forget not all hisbenefits.
And it goes yeah.
Who forgives all your sins andheals all your diseases, who
redeems your life from the pitand crowns you with love and
compassion, who satisfies yourdesires with good things so that
your youth is renewed like theeagles.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And it goes on and on , yeah, you know, the other
thing is like I think I and weall in our culture like we think
like we should just be likesuper, like pampered in this
life.
You know, like this life is allabout me and it going well for
me, me being successful, medoing all these things.
But it's like I said this toyou the other day.
I was like I think that thehardest part of being a believer
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and a follower of Jesus is thathe's actually calling us into
being like him.
So it's like like literally inthose moments when we're like so
hurt and like there's so muchpain or there's so much, you
know somebody could justwhatever cuts us off.
You know, uh, somebody couldjust whatever cuts us off.
You know, emotionally,physically, whatever you know
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what I mean.
Like we're not.
Maybe, like you know, in thatmoment we're thinking, like
we're supposed to like, oh, now,my life is like uncomfortable,
you know what I mean, but it'slike it may be in that moment.
Okay.
Not maybe in that moment we'resupposed to bring Jesus to that
thing.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, no, I mean Through our own actions.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I mean, think about it right, we're supposed to be
like Jesus, right, we'resupposed to be a mirror of him,
right, a direct representation.
Right it's like the John 13 to15 narrative, right where it's
like I'm the vine near thebranches, he is in me, I am in
him, I am in you, you are in me.
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That whole, that whole exchange, right where it's like like,
really, the bottom line and thehonest, cold, hard truth is that
we don't know how to handlesituations properly like Jesus.
It's because we're just notspending time with him.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Right, I mean like, like, so take our friendship,
for instance, right, I don'tmean that to be like harsh,
harsh, but it's, it is.
It is a bucket of cold water tothe face.
It is a bucket of cold water tothe face, you know, like, in
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our friendship it's like, thelonger we know each other, the
closer we become, right, like,to guard our relationship and to
be, you know, tending thegarden, let's just say, of our
relationship.
Because, like, just look at it,like we're both farmers, right,
yeah, our friendship is thegarden.
So it's like, you know, if wedon't pay attention to it, right
, find out all the things thatare bad for what we've planted,
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you know, find out all thethings that are good, that would
help and be beneficial to it.
It's like, if we're notconstantly going back and forth
and realizing and recognizingthese things about each other,
there's no way that we canmaintain a healthy relationship.
Yeah, right, yeah, and after awhile it just becomes you just
sort of get stuck on autopilotbecause, like you've done it so
much, it just becomescommonplace, right, or?
(13:18):
The lord is actually calling usto that, right, where he's.
This is the point of spendingtime with him every day, you
know I I think we get overreligious about the whole thing.
Dude where we're like it's justgot to be like angels singing
and like choirs and cathedralsand all this other stuff, and
it's like you're, you're.
You know you can speak to alittle bit more about what
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you've been doing, but I meanyou've, you've been making some
changes in your own prayer life.
You've been sharing with meabout making it more personal
with Jesus, where it's like,look, let's just, let's just,
can we just just drop all thisstuff?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Drop the facade, drop all the weird, like everything.
Like he literally just wants tospend time with us, like he's
there as a friend.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, and then, by way of that friendship, we
realize who he is, that he isthe Lord, right, and then all of
his benefits, right.
But why don't you speak to thata little bit too, because I
think that's really crucial forpeople to understand, and it's
going to sound you know, it'sgoing to sound.
I don't know, however, it'sgoing to sound, but you know it
makes total sense you know,because it's what you're, what
(14:26):
you're about to talk about isit's literally changing your
heart, posture, the way that youview the Lord.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, yeah, um, yeah, I, I, you know, that is
something I it's cool I did wantto talk about too on the
podcast.
Was you know?
It's been told to me my wholelife and I've, I've done it most
of my life.
I don't know, maybe most of mylife is, you know, like spend
spending time with the Lord,like reading the Bible, and I
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definitely I've just learned,you know, over time and more
recently, just like it's's.
So it is not about this isweird, gonna sound weird.
It's not about spending timereading your bible.
Actually, that's good, that isgood, but there's another level,
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you know, and it's not anotherlevel like a better level, but
what I've just had, this likerevelation, like recently, is
like I'm not reading this book.
To be like I read the book andI know what it says.
I need to read the book so thatI know his heart and I know him,
you know like when you readthrough any of the Bible, you
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know it is God's, one of God's,one of the ways that God reveals
himself to us, you know,through his word it's what he
gave us.
So it's like it's the easiestconnection point, you know.
And so what I've been doing is,like God, I was, you know,
reading, reading, reading,reading it.
And then I was like God, Idon't want to just read this
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book like it's a book, so that Iknow this book, like I want to
know your heart, you know.
And so I like, and I startedenvisioning.
So I was sitting in my livingroom and you know, the front
door is right there and Iremember that verse that says
like I stand at the door.
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And so I was like all rightverse that says like I stand at
the door and you know, yeah, andso I was like all right, and I,
I like, I think that I probably, yeah, I think I did do this
like the first time, like, allright now this is gonna get
weird or something, or maybeit's not, I don't know, but like
I literally physically went tothe door, opened the door, you
know, like out of out of, almostlike out of, like lord, I'll do
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anything you know right toconnect with you know like out
of out of, almost like out of,like Lord, I'll do anything you
know to connect with you.
And I like opened the door, youknow, and I was like come in,
you know, and and I likeenvisioned the Lord coming in
and sitting in this chair, youknow, and he's kind of like
sitting across from me, and Iwas like Lord, like I want to
read this book so that you arerevealed to me, so that I know
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you more.
And I've started likeenvisioning that every day, you
know, so I don't open the doorevery day but like I sit there.
I go get my coffee in themorning, I sit down, I open my
Bible and I, oh yeah, oh yeah,and I like envision the door
opening, I envision invitingJesus to come into the room,
like, like.
I had this, like like thoughtone day this was years ago that
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I was like I was standing in acircle with, like some people
and I was like, and you know,they're like right there, you
know, and I was like you know,it's crazy At one point, like
Jesus was a man like which islike duh, but I was like he was
a dude, like he stood in acircle like this, like with
other dudes, you know, and um,and then I was like and he still
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is, you know, and like anyways,and I was like, so I like
invite him into the room as ifhe's another human in the room.
You know, the man, jesus issitting across from me.
And now I'm going to like readand as I'm reading, I'm kind of
like going this is about you,this is who you are, this is
your heart.
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You know, it's not like aboutyou know.
I read three chapters and I'm,you know, working my way through
Psalms.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's like you know, and and it's not.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
That's also not bad, but I want to encourage people
to like to try to go deeper, youknow, because also like we can
use that in the wrong way, youknow, like we could be like dude
I read through the whole Biblethis year, yeah, yeah, and you
feel pretty proud about that,you know, and then I can use the
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verses against you.
You know, because I know somestuff about you.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I can smash you, but like it's like.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
It's like now we're using it for all the wrong
reasons, you know.
It's like it is there to revealwho God is to us, like who his
heart is, you know, so that wecan, like, commune better with
him.
You know, so that he can changeus, so we can be like, oh man,
oh, you know, like I am not likethat and this is who you are
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and you are trying to change meinto that, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So I got a story that goes along with that.
I was talking to anotherbrother the other day and we
were.
The conversation went this wayand we were talking about some
things that are similar to likewhat we're talking about right
now, and I was listening to apodcast, um of another pastor
that I listened to and and hesaid that he had one night he
had this dream and in this dreamhe walked into this library.
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There are books all on the walland there was this one book
that was sitting on the tableand he and he looked up and he
saw his wife's father standingthere right and he came over to
him and pointed to the book andsaid everything you need to know
about my daughter, which is hiswife, right, is in this book.
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Like if you want to learn abouther heart, her emotions, her
past, whatever it is, it's likeeverything that you need to know
about her is are in the pagesof this book.
Yeah, right.
So he sits down and opens thebook and starts reading the book
, right, and goes through it alland at one point I'll try and
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cut it shorter and make it notso long, like it was on the
podcast I was listening to.
But at one point, like a dooropens behind this father and
he's like, and in walks his wiferight, and she's trying to get
his attention, but he keepstelling her I'm hold on, I've
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got to read, I'm learning aboutyou right now, right, and she
keeps trying to get hisattention and he keeps telling
her that hey look, I'm trying toread about you right now.
I'm trying to get to know whoyou are right, yeah and so then
I think, the father came overdude and closed the book and the
whole point of it was it's likelike we take so much time to
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read, but what do we do whenhe's like actually standing in
front of us?
Right dude are we going to takethe time?
Because the written word itjust is is him, it's all about
him in one way, shape or form,right.
But when he walks in the room,yeah, and becomes real, are we
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going to be able to put the bookdown right?
yeah and actually divert ourattention to the one, that is,
the book, to get to know him andwho he is yeah right, that's it
.
It's huge, bro.
So huge because it's like, yes,he wants us to read the written
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word, but why do you need thewritten word when the one is
standing in front of you?
yeah right yeah this, thiswritten word is just to lead you
to the one right, right, and atthat some point he is revealed
and becomes super real to youbecause you've, you've.
This written word is just tolead you to the one Right, right
, and at some point he isrevealed and becomes super real
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to you because you've beenstudying about him.
The Holy Spirit opens yourheart through the word so you
understand and recognize who theperson of Jesus is.
Well, at that point, dude nowit becomes super personal dude.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
So now, that he's in the room what are we going to do
?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, personal dude.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
So now that he's in the room.
What are we going to do?
Yeah, you, I was.
I was going to look it up, butI don't know where it is.
But I know it reminds me of theverse when Jesus said to the
Pharisees you search thesescriptures to find, you know,
life and I, I am the fulfillmentof those scriptures.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
And you and you, you know.
So it's like they were actuallysearching the scriptures for,
like the sake of searching thescriptures, to like, try to, and
, and he was there.
He showed up, you know, andthey were so into knowing,
knowing the scriptures, thatthey couldn't see the Christ who
was standing right in front ofthem, like when he was in the
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temple, like reading the scrollof Isaiah dude right.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And he said in today, and you're carrying the
scriptures, these scriptures arefulfilled yeah right he was.
He was doing the same thingwhere he's like look like I'm
here, you don't need thisanymore, right?
It basically is what he wassaying yeah, right, great to
study, yeah, but when the onethat it's written about is
standing in front of you.
You no longer lead the written.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I mean I don't.
I think we're not saying likedon't read the Bible, but Right
Of course not it's.
It's just it's like a different, like like we need to grow from
reading the Bible so that weknow the Bible.
Cause that's what I think thePharisees were doing.
They were like saying like bro,I know the bible, like what's
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up, like what do?
you want, I'll quote you chapterand verse, right, and it's like
meanwhile they weren't livingit.
And that's the difference.
It's like what you're sayingit's when jesus comes and when
he, when he confronts us aboutsomething in our life, the dying
a little more, and and we don'tdo it, it's because maybe we're
just searching scriptures toknow the scriptures you know,
instead of actually going likeuh-oh.
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Like you remember, we used to meand Brian used to always listen
to Pastor James McDonald yeah,and I love this and I was like
if I ever taught at a church,this is the first thing I would
say.
He goes, everybody, put yourhands up in the air and point at
yourself like.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
This is the beginning of his message, you know, and
he would say who is this?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
who is the bible about?
Like, who is this message about?
It's about you, it's not about.
We're not gonna read this thingand be like, oh bro, this part
right here is so about you, likeyou totally need help with this
, or I'm gonna call my so-and-soand tell him about this first.
No, like it's about you, yeahand I think it bounces off us a
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lot and so many and everybodylike it just bounces right off
and we go like well, I know whocould use this word right, well,
I'll ultra modernize it, dude.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I'll put it in in words that everybody can
understand you and I can textback and forth on our phones,
right, and have a full-onconversation, but I'm not going
to sit across the table from youand text you.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, like there's no point Right, like at that point
, like you are actuallyphysically there.
Yeah, so I put my phone downand begin to have a conversation
with you yeah, that's goodInstead of sending you messages.
Yeah, like, why am I?
Yeah, so I put my phone downand begin to have a conversation
with you, yeah that's good.
Instead of instead of sendingyou messages like why?
why am I going to do that rightnow?
Like you said, this isn't.
We're not saying like don'tread your word or anything like
that, because the entire bibleis about jesus, right like.
(25:37):
He's the fulfillment of all thescripture.
He's he's the written word andhe's the spirit part of the word
right yeah so it's like heabsolutely is going to lead you
to scripture, to read it, toconfirm things, or to show you
things, to help you learn andunderstand things where you're
at in your life, and all of that.
So we're absolutely not sayinglike, don't read your word for
sure, but the whole point ofthis walk, dude, is to get to
(26:00):
know him and the person, yeah,yeah, exactly Of who he is
Exactly Right, Exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, it's an interesting mix.
It's like we should know thatwhole book.
We should know it.
We should know it like reallygood, you know, like it's almost
like a twofold approach, it'slike one.
You should know it like itbecause it is the word that he
chose to give to us.
Yeah, and it is all about him.
(26:26):
And, like people say, like youcould find jesus, you know, in
on every page.
You know, um, but there isanother level of knowing him.
You know, like.
You know, I think like that,when jesus was talking to the
disciples and I think this issuch a crazy verse he said, um,
you know, I'm gonna go away, youknow, and he said it's better
(26:47):
that I go away.
And I was thinking like thathad to be the dumbest thing that
the disciples ever heard.
Right they were like that soundslike the stupidest thing ever,
jesus, you know like, yeah, butwhat did he say?
So that another helper can come?
The holy spirit, right, whichis what we have.
And he was saying it's hard toeven imagine because it's like
(27:09):
he.
What he was saying was it'sbetter to have the holy spirit
than to have me, jesus, the manwho in person, which is just
bananas sounding like to ushumans, but it is the truth and
it's what we have.
We have that.
(27:31):
I mean, I think all the time I'dbe like, oh, I think it'd be
better if, like Jesus was likethe man was sitting in my truck
every day with me while I go towork.
But, yeah, interesting, right,yeah, but yeah, interesting,
right, yeah, I think, likeinviting him into, like
consciously inviting him intoall of our situations, like
opening the door, you know,inviting him into the room and
(27:55):
asking him to like revealhimself.
You know, in the spirit, youknow what I mean is so important
.
Or, lord, walk through thisdoor with me into work.
You know, in the spirit, youknow what I mean is so important
.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Or, lord, walk through this door with me into
work you know, Um, what do you,what do you think that that's
done for you personally, duringthe length of time that you've
been doing that, and you madethat switch and that difference,
looking back on how things usedto be versus how they are now.
What are, what are some of thebiggest takeaways and the
(28:24):
biggest things that have changedin you from from making that
shift to to purposely like beinglike you're here right now?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Well, I think it's exactly what we were talking
about before we turned on themicrophones.
Uh oh, it's just like I have.
I have like lived my life a lotlike wanting to depend on other
things besides him and not evenknowing it.
(28:56):
You know, and like I've, I'mlearning, you know that
depending on him, like knowinghim, depending on him, having
him as my total source, willbring me security.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
You know, and safety and life and joy and peace, and
depending on anything else willlead me to ruins.
you know, and so I've learnedI'm learning over time that the
more you know I depend on himand the more I invite him to be
my all in everything like, thestronger I am like the more
(29:41):
secure I am, the morestrengthened I am, you know I am
, the more strengthened I am,you know, like, as I invite him
to, you know, be my provider, ormy best friend, or my whatever,
you know like it's.
There's a humongous difference,you know, and when I depend on
anything else, I always likejust it's a total crash and burn
(30:03):
you know, and so over time II'm learning.
It's like I've learned it inwaves, you know, and even maybe
I've learned it, and then I'vegone back to other things you
know and um, oh man, I wrotethis song.
I don't know if I've evershared it with you, but it
reminds me of this.
I kind of recorded it, sort ofsort of the other day.
(30:24):
Maybe we'll do we dare say thison the podcast why not?
you said everything else we'vesaid this.
Like you know, we write songsevery once in a while.
We're like we got to likerecord these things and put them
on the podcast, you know yeahum, but I wrote this song called
idols you know, and, and Ithink the first line is like I,
(30:46):
I've worshiped all these idolsin vain, and all they've brought
to my life is pain.
Um you know, and they've left mebrokenhearted, uh, on my right,
down on my face, or on my faceright where, right back where
I've started, you know, um.
And then the chorus is like youare my god, I will trust in you
(31:07):
alone.
You are my savior, I'll worshipyou alone.
I can trust in you, jesus,because you've never let me down
.
But all these idols that I'vefallen for, they're nowhere to
be found but I can trust in youyou know, um, but dude, it's so
funny Cause, like I think of inthe old Testament and like I
(31:30):
read, like about the Israelites,and they're like they see like
God do something amazing andthen like two sentences later
they're like making a calf outof gold and worshiping it, and I
used to think like, like bro,what these guys are stupid, like
hawaiian.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
How, in the world, right, right, like you,
literally just saw him be apillar of cloud by day and fire
by night, dude and split the redsea.
Manna falling from heaven,quail and stuff appearing out of
nowhere like water out of arock, I mean you, their sandals,
the shoes on their feet andtheir clothes that they wore,
(32:08):
never wore out the entire timethey were in the wilderness, I
mean.
Except you would think thatyou'd be somewhat convinced,
right?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
right, except right, yes, yes, yes, except that's
what I do.
I think that's what we all doand I think, like that's why
it's in the book, you know it's.
It's a picture of what we do,like if we're not careful, if
we're not really really careful,it's like I think that's why
it's in there.
It's like I think that's whyit's in there, it's not.
And this is what's so funny.
It's like immaturity goes.
(32:49):
These guys, like what you knowand I'm not saying I'm mature,
but as I'm maturing, I'm like oh, I have done that.
I could totally do that.
I could see myself, I couldtotally do that.
I could see myself doing it, Icould feel myself going there
right now If I'm not careful, inspite of the cloud by day and
(33:11):
the pillar by night and all thethings that God has done, I'm
like you know what would be coolright now If I made a golden
pig and I just startedworshiping that stupid thing pig
and I just started worshipingthat stupid thing.
Sounds like a great idea, right?
What?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
uh, we keep it real super left field right, keep it
real right here super left field.
Yeah, like so you built agolden pig and you're worshiping
it and it's like what?
Yeah, but I mean that's sort ofwhat we do anyway, right,
Anytime we divert away from ourrelationship with the Lord or
whatever else, it's essentiallywhat we're doing.
(33:56):
We're erecting an idol to paymore.
It's anything that we pay moreattention to than the Lord.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, totally yeah.
I heard somebody talking aboutit the other day, like in a
sermon, and they were likesaying like, as soon as God
didn't give them what theywanted, they said to Aaron when
Moses was up on the mount makeus another God who will give us.
(34:23):
What we want is essentially whatthey were saying and I'm like
like, like it may even be likethis, this, this may be even how
intimately intimate this stuffis.
I had a bad day at work.
I come home and I get on socialmedia and I'm like show me
(34:46):
something to make me feel better, cause I don't feel good right
now.
Right, and I'm not even sayingit's like sinful things, like
you know whatever, but it couldjust be anything that it's like
I don't feel loved, I don't feelgood right now, and it's like
I'm going to click to somethingelse you know, you just brought
(35:06):
up a good point.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I was thinking, as you were saying right now, it's
like what was the majordifference?
Why did they say to build acalf, dude, right?
Well, she says moses was theonly one that had a relationship
with god.
Yeah, I mean, honestly, youknow.
Yeah, like I mean, to them, godwas the thing of legends, dude,
right, it's like this is justwhat we've always, the stories
(35:29):
we've always been told, you knowwhat I mean.
The stories have been passeddown around the campfire at
night of, like, you know, all ofwhatever, and it's like, really
, moses was the only one thathad a relationship with God.
Yeah, right, so they went backto what they knew from being in
Egypt in captivity.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Right, yeah, which is a really interesting point
you're saying because and I'mthinking, yeah, but they were
watching God do stuff.
Okay, so that's reallyinteresting.
Right, they were watching Goddo stuff physically for them,
yet they still had no connectionwith him whoa, yeah, so it's
what it's.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Just you're, you're amazed by the awe and wonder
dude of like these signs andwonders that are happening in
front of you.
But if it's devoid ofrelationship, like there is
really no awe and wonder yeah ofwhat he's doing, yeah it
doesn't last long, right?
well, it's like okay, so like,let's take it down to the father
(36:28):
thing, dude.
Okay, so, like you know, you'resomewhere with like your kids
and there's other fathers in thepark doing stuff.
I mean, your kids are watchingthem, right, potentially do
stuff, but it's oh well thatdad's doing that with their kid,
right, or whatever else likethat.
But if you do the same thing,they're looking at you like that
(36:52):
was like the most amazing thing, right?
Speaker 1 (36:54):
now.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Like we had so much fun today when we were doing
this or doing that or whateverright because there is a
relationship with you as theirfather.
So all the cool stuff that theother dads were doing or just
like it's just whatever they'rejust doing stuff took on a whole
new meaning when they weredoing that same stuff with their
father yeah, right, yeah, and Ithink this goes back to what we
were saying.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
It's like there's like a difference between just
like reading the word right andthen reading the word to know
him.
Yeah, you know, and yeah, oneof the things I've been doing
lately is, instead of like, ifI'm praying about something,
because generally my prayers arelike complaint lists- and
(37:40):
another thing.
We need one of those likedo-do-tsh, like things, you know
, like that button we can pushand like there's a cool sound
effect, but um, that's, it's noteven a joke, it's real Um, but,
um, um.
So I've I, because, because,like I want to get to know him
and so I've thought I've, I'veprayed, like here's my, I've
(38:03):
done my complaint list orwhatever, all right, and as I'm
in my complaint list with him, II somehow at some point this
came into my brain to ask himwhat he thinks he thinks about
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Oh, that's a dangerous thing.
Uh-huh, it's a loaded lit stickof dynamite?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, it is.
Yeah, it's like Lord, I am likeyou know, I'm so frustrated
about this thing or this personand blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, and on and on and on
, and then, like, when I finallyget like my bearings, you know,
(38:52):
I go what do you think?
And that's when it gets real.
And it is almost alwaysopposite of what I think,
because I'm like fired up withemotions, you know, and I'm
fired up with like all my stuff,dude, and then he's like I
think this, you know, and if wecan get to that point where we
get to know him and what hethinks, then we can change the
way we think.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, so the renewing of ourminds.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's exactly.
Yeah, I know know.
I thought like yesterday whenwe were like planning on the
podcast, I was like I just wantto talk about renewing our minds
again, like it's so, it's noteven.
We haven't even like don't evenscratch the surface soon but oh
, this is so funny.
Oh, I was thinking about thistoo.
(39:34):
I heard this clip.
It was like I wish I had it,like we could play it.
But is this lady?
And she was like giving like aTed talk or something, I don't
know.
She was like a scientist andshe goes.
And she goes um, she goes.
I have a friend and she's likein like a neuroscientist, so
like a brain scientist orwhatever, and she uh did this
(39:54):
like paper on um meditation andshe she's like I'm a real
scientist, so I don't believe inthat stuff.
You know what I mean.
She goes.
But then I saw her research andshe goes, she goes.
They had these people likemeditate for like 20 minutes
every day and she said like in,like I don't know what it was,
30 or 60 days.
(40:15):
She said it changed the likechemistry of their brains and it
also grew brain cells.
And the lady goes, this thingchanged, not only changed
people's minds, but it renewedtheir mind.
It grew new brain cells,literally.
(40:36):
And I was like yeah, yeah,that's called spending time with
god, and and I and I alwaysthink I always love it when I
see science actually proving-yeah, what god's saying, because
god's like spend time with me.
You know like, and everybody'sin every, all christians know
like.
As we spend more time with him,then he then you know we,
(40:58):
whatever we get peace, we callit peace, you know?
Or like, oh, like, I just feelbetter after I spend time with
him, then he, then you know we,whatever we get peace, we call
it peace, you know?
Or like, oh, like, I just feelbetter after I spend time with
the lord.
Yeah, that's it.
It's a, it's a physical thingand a spiritual thing, but it
was cool because I was like thislady did a scientific study
about meditation and I don'tknow what they were meditating
on, but even just peacefulthoughts and whatever, whatever,
(41:18):
even that which is basicallythe act of prayer and the act of
spending time.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Because most people would probably be like focus on
the higher power.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Even that's close enough, but we know the higher
power.
Yeah, that's cool, yeah, it'swild.
Yeah, it's wild, it's wild.
Yeah, I thought about thatverse again too, that we talked
about last time.
But the total reformation ofhow we think, oh yeah, yeah,
(41:52):
that's a banger yeah, that's,yeah, that's a loaded bomb dude.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, there's so many aspects of that dude, without
getting too far into it, I meanit's, it's.
He literally, like, dissects usevery single day, right, well,
I mean okay, so I didn't wentahead and said it, so I gotta
say the scripture right, it'swhat the word of god is
(42:18):
sharpened, double-edged swordable to divide the soul and the
spirit even into the marrowright, like it gets to the
nitty-gritty right the nacholibre, yeah, yeah yeah, no, like
, yeah, but it it.
basically it gets to the verycore of anything that it touches
(42:40):
or it's exposed to, right?
So any thought we're having,any emotion we're having, any
way of life, anything is likewhen you introduce the word of
God to it, it will absolutely,every time, go right to the core
of whatever that thing is.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
And I think it takes true bravery and we're going to
call it manhood.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Bold.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Bold To actually listen to the Lord about what
he's saying about ourselves,because I think he's always
speaking and he's always like.
I don't really think thatthat's what you should be doing,
you know, and we're just likewhatever Like, and it takes a
(43:36):
total.
Total, you know, and I'm I'mjust saying man, because I think
it's most of our audience.
But womanhood too, it takes abeast of a woman.
Same thing to actually hear thelord say something about, about
who we are and what we need tochange and how we're not.
We don't, we're not thinkinglike him, you know or he like
(43:57):
that's actually not my heart onthat issue.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
What we think of being a man is in terms of like,
like we've said before, you'vegot to lift weights, you've got
to go hunting, you've got todrink beer, you've got to wear
an American flag hat, all thisother stuff, right, I mean
there's all these things, dude,that the world defines as what a
true man is dude, and it's like.
No, it's like.
You grab your bootstraps, dudeand right and and a real man
(44:23):
when he's faced with questionsabout who he is and who god is,
or presented with the like hey,man, I need god saying I need to
change this or I need to dothis like.
A real man is able to, to takethe reins of his life with the
direction of the holy spirit andhelp institute change in the
(44:44):
way that we think, the way thatwe act, the way that we treat
others yeah, right I mean that's, that's essentially what a real
man is.
Do you realize that you're frailand that his ways are not our
ways, and you're willing to takethe steps necessary to make the
changes that he's asking you tomake?
Speaker 1 (45:05):
yeah, you brought this up the other day.
I don't remember exactly whatit was, but and I've been
thinking about a lot too it'sjust, it's that word submission,
you know.
And when you were saying that,I was just like thinking.
You know, we like to think like, like we're the boss of our
life, right, like I'm the Idon't know.
(45:26):
And the reality is, asbelievers, like we are, we have
a king that we serve, and a true, a true like warrior man is
always under a king right likethey Like.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
they're not just like a lone Ranger, I mean unless
they're the lone Ranger.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
But uh right.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
They'll walk around like mercenaries all the time.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Right, just doing whatever they want, right.
But we are not that.
So we are under the Lordship ofGod.
And when he when you know it'slike in the military, if there's
like the top dude and he'stelling one of his guys, hey,
like, look, there's this thingthat you do.
You know, let's work on that.
Like you are under submissionto that person.
(46:08):
You know, and I think that thatthat actually makes a true
warrior is somebody who'ssubmitted to somebody else.
You know, because that personand we have god, the creator of
the universe, like whisperinginto our ear, like this is my
heart.
On that issue you need to comeinto alignment with me, you know
(46:29):
.
I mean, that's, that's amission thing well, it's like in
the military.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I mean it's.
You know, they have everythingthat they need to empower man or
woman to be the best that theycan be right in all areas, right
, but you don't get that unlessyou submit to the authority yeah
but the the submission isactually the key that opens the
(46:55):
door to the greater authority.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Right, you guys would be running your own program,
right right, yeah, that's reallygood, that's really good yeah.
That was really good.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, lord, help us to submit, lord,
help us to hear what you'resaying, lord, help us to submit,
lord, help us to hear whatyou're saying, lord, like in the
most intimate ways in our lives.
Lord, we know you care for us,lord, and the only reason why
you tell us things is because ifwe do things your way instead
(47:33):
of our way, we know it's goingto be a better result.
We've run our own courses somany times, lord, like.
Just give us the ability torelent, lord, from our own
program, from the ways that wethink, lord, that total
reformation of how we think, andeven like, repent about it,
(47:53):
like, have a repentance wherewe'd be like I used to think
like this and now I don't, youknow, or like and it's a choice.
You know like I'm, I used tothink this way and now I think
this way.
So, lord, just empower us to umjust to incorporate that into
our every moment of our everyday.
Lord, as we walk into work, aswe walk into a restaurant.
(48:16):
Lord, as we see other people oryou know, interface with other
people, lord, that Lord just bewhispering in our ear like what
you want us to do, how you wantus to be, and, lord, we want to
just come more into submission,lord, and just die to all those
(48:37):
things, lord, that are actuallybringing us death.
They're not bringing us life,lord, so bring us life, god, as
we go this week and just blesseverybody who's listening and
yeah, in Jesus' name, amen, amen, amen, until next time, peace,
peace, thank you.
Knowing him, depending on him, having him as
my total source will bring mesecurity.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
You know, and safety and life and joy and peace, and
depending on anything else willlead me to ruins.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh, good morning, Jesus.
We thank you for this day.
We thank you for theopportunity to come together
again and talk about the thingsof your kingdom, talk about the
things that we walk through inlife as men, and we pray that
you would just give us wisdomand understanding this morning
in Revelation, and we pray thatyou would just download into our
hearts and our minds the thingsthat you would like us to
(00:58):
discuss today and the thingsthat you'd like us to talk about
, and pray that you would helpus to work through the verses
that will come and the, thestories and the, and the things
that will come that we're goingto be talking about today, and
pray that you would help us justto navigate that holy spirit.
I pray that you would just leadand guide and whoever needs to
hear this, that they would, uh,that you would just prick their
(01:21):
heart and that did, they wouldlisten, and that you would give
them ears to hear and a heart toreceive and understand what
you're going to do through thispodcast.
In Jesus' name, we pray.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Amen, amen, amen, good morning.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Good morning, welcome to the Die A Little More
podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Where every day we die just a little more.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Right, right, right.
And you know, it's funny, likebecause I think like when we
created the name, we were likewe were kind of being like tough
about it, like we're tough guys, yeah, and I think because it's
well all right, like here's thedeal, Like here's behind the
scenes.
Right, Like we want to pretendlike we're tough guys Right.
Here's the deal, here's behindthe scenes.
(02:06):
We want to pretend like we'retough guys Full transparency,
full transparency.
Here Nobody's listening, butwhat I'm learning is like dude
dying to ourself is actually themost intimate thing, and the
tougher I am as a man, the lessI'm able to do it Right it's man
the less I'm able to do itRight.
(02:26):
So it's like, the more if we.
I feel like the Lord is justcontinually like.
He's like leading me down thesepaths, right, he's like like
tricking me essentially.
Come down this path, right overhere, like let's talk about
this thing, know, and and gently, you know, like present, almost
like we're going down a path.
(02:46):
There's a table there,presented with this thing, right
, that I need to learn aboutmyself or I need to learn about
life, and and he's like, and heshows me it, and he's just like
do you want to?
Well, the reality is, do youwant to learn?
Do you want to trust me enoughto come closer to me and to know
(03:11):
me more?
Right, right, and uh, it's likeit's, it's our decision and
that's, that's the dying alittle more.
You know, it's not, it's not,it's not like tough guy stuff,
it's just a clever name so yousaid something right now.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We prayed beforehand just to send the lord help us
know which way to go, and yousaid something right now about
how the lord was.
You say gently yeah okay, solet's just get it out there.
A lot of us, as men, didn'treally have awesome father
figures right, didn't have thedads that were always there,
(03:54):
went to the baseball games,helped you with your homework,
you know.
Went on hunting trips, you know.
Whatever the case is, didthings together.
You know a lot of a lot ofpeople.
Sadly, a lot of men didn't havethat to look up to, right.
So I know for sure that thatskews and and distorts the way
(04:19):
we see the father right.
Yeah, you know it.
It can't help but do that right.
The only relationship,relational things that we know
in life right are examples thatare taken from every single day
right, right the way we, yeah,the way we interact, the way
that you know we see otherpeople interact in society and
(04:39):
in culture, dude.
So we form our own opinions offof all of those things about how
we should view the father right, and I think one of the things
he's doing is he's refining andpurifying the way that we view
him, because that absolutelyokay.
So here's, this is going to begood.
The way that we view himabsolutely determines the way we
(05:01):
receive from him yeah always,oh, yeah, yeah right if our view
of him is distorted or pollutedor jaded or whatever by things
that we've experienced in thepast or haven't experienced in
the past, that automaticallygets translated to him and on
(05:22):
him, and then we view him thatway, through that filter.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, I heard somebody say something like
recently and I was kind of likeI don't I'm not exactly sure
what I think about it, but I waslike I think it's right
actually, and he said um, a lotof times, um, when humans
disappoint us, we automaticallyfeel disappointed in God.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
That's exact, that's, and I was kind of like, huh and
, and so, when that's exactlywhat you're saying, yeah, and,
and it goes for every person whoyou know like, has a, like a, a
father wound, a mother wound, awife wound, anything, you know,
a friend wound, it's like like,unfortunately, and this is
(06:05):
where the enemy, who is sotricky, he gets in there.
You know, yeah, and, and I, Ireally struggled with this for a
long time.
I didn't even know, but mydisappointment in things that
happened in my life, I, Iautomatically just bounced it to
the father right.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
You know why.
You know, why do we think thatis?
I mean, it probably is a lot ofreasons, but I think there's
this misnomer, this misbelief,dude, that, like you know, okay,
well, if God's in charge, theneverything's supposed to be
perfect, because God's perfect,right, like we know deep down
inside that he is perfect, right, yeah, and he is holy.
(06:45):
We're just wired and createdthat way, but we, we absolutely
put that off on him, like thislife is supposed to be some sort
of fairy tale.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Right and it's not, you know.
And so anything that happensnegatively we can easily, easily
ascribe to him Like anythingthat's great or good or
beneficial or pleasurable or anyof that stuff.
Like that we can like look athim and be like, yo thanks, that
was great, god right.
Automatically it's like, almostlike, without even thinking
about it.
But when things don't go theway they're supposed to, it's
(07:18):
easy to shift the blame and putit right off on him, instead of
us looking into ourselves andseeing what we had to do with it
and what part we had to play.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, I think it's hard that to live in a world
where, like, we know God'sperfect and we know God's all
loving, but then we also seelike things go bad, you know,
and get very painful, and sowe're trying to like reconcile
that yeah you know, and get verypainful, and so we're trying to
like reconcile that.
Yeah, the hard part is or maybejust it takes hard work is to
(07:49):
go.
You know what, like people havefree, will you know, and people
can do devastating things.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
And it's, it's, but it's and it's totally separate
from God.
You know, yeah, and one of thethings I've been struggling with
or thinking about is, like, asI've got, like, if I'm like in a
moment of hurt or pain orwhatever, or disappointment,
(08:18):
like have I completely, likejust forgot, like all the things
about God that I know that aretrue, you know, because I feel
like I'll just I throweverything out.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Well, I was going to say how fast does all of that go
out the window?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Exactly exactly.
Yeah yeah, yeah, and it's likeI heard somebody say something
like you know, when you're goingthrough a trial, like how close
you stay to God is, is like howmuch you know, how much
connection you have with God islike how much like you're you're
really believing, you know.
it's like we and he was sayingwe momentarily like forget the
things, we believe you know, andI do that all the time, and
(08:54):
then I come back to like, wait aminute, like I thought I
believe, and that's why I thinkit's important for us to stay in
the scriptures, reading all thetime, whatever, listening to
the word or whatever, because itneeds to be fresh in our mind,
and then we need to be remindedlike oh yeah, like I believe,
like god is going to work allthese things out for my good,
(09:15):
you know, like, yeah, because weforget it.
Yeah, yeah, and and that's isn'tthat weird like we I say it to
you all the time I'm like, oh,yeah, like I'm supposed to be a
believer, like I'm supposed tobelieve these things and I have
just totally, apparently I'veforgotten all of them in the
(09:35):
moment and maybe that's, likeyou know, being triggered.
You know, like our brains arehijacked, you know, and we also
get hijacked.
Like the first thing that'sgoing to go is probably anything
spiritual that we know.
You know the enemy's going towant to like just throw some
water on that fire, you knowyeah yeah so that's actually a
(09:57):
scripture which you said.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It's psalm 103 too says praise the lord, oh my soul
, and forget not all hisbenefits.
And it goes yeah.
Who forgives all your sins andheals all your diseases, who
redeems your life from the pitand crowns you with love and
compassion, who satisfies yourdesires with good things so that
your youth is renewed like theeagles.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And it goes on and on , yeah, you know, the other
thing is like I think I and weall in our culture like we think
like we should just be likesuper, like pampered in this
life.
You know, like this life is allabout me and it going well for
me, me being successful, medoing all these things.
But it's like I said this toyou the other day.
I was like I think that thehardest part of being a believer
(10:46):
and a follower of Jesus is thathe's actually calling us into
being like him.
So it's like like literally inthose moments when we're like so
hurt and like there's so muchpain or there's so much, you
know somebody could justwhatever cuts us off.
You know, uh, somebody couldjust whatever cuts us off.
You know, emotionally,physically, whatever you know
(11:07):
what I mean.
Like we're not.
Maybe, like you know, in thatmoment we're thinking, like
we're supposed to like, oh, now,my life is like uncomfortable,
you know what I mean, but it'slike it may be in that moment.
Okay.
Not maybe in that moment we'resupposed to bring Jesus to that
thing.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, no, I mean Through our own actions.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I mean, think about it right, we're supposed to be
like Jesus, right, we'resupposed to be a mirror of him,
right, a direct representation.
Right it's like the John 13 to15 narrative, right where it's
like I'm the vine near thebranches, he is in me, I am in
him, I am in you, you are in me.
(11:54):
That whole, that whole exchange, right where it's like like,
really, the bottom line and thehonest, cold, hard truth is that
we don't know how to handlesituations properly like Jesus.
It's because we're just notspending time with him.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Right, I mean like, like, so take our friendship,
for instance, right, I don'tmean that to be like harsh,
harsh, but it's, it is.
It is a bucket of cold water tothe face.
It is a bucket of cold water tothe face, you know, like, in
(12:35):
our friendship it's like, thelonger we know each other, the
closer we become, right, like,to guard our relationship and to
be, you know, tending thegarden, let's just say, of our
relationship.
Because, like, just look at it,like we're both farmers, right,
yeah, our friendship is thegarden.
So it's like, you know, if wedon't pay attention to it, right
, find out all the things thatare bad for what we've planted,
(12:56):
you know, find out all thethings that are good, that would
help and be beneficial to it.
It's like, if we're notconstantly going back and forth
and realizing and recognizingthese things about each other,
there's no way that we canmaintain a healthy relationship.
Yeah, right, yeah, and after awhile it just becomes you just
sort of get stuck on autopilotbecause, like you've done it so
much, it just becomescommonplace, right, or?
(13:18):
The lord is actually calling usto that, right, where he's.
This is the point of spendingtime with him every day, you
know I I think we get overreligious about the whole thing.
Dude where we're like it's justgot to be like angels singing
and like choirs and cathedralsand all this other stuff, and
it's like you're, you're.
You know you can speak to alittle bit more about what
(13:39):
you've been doing, but I meanyou've, you've been making some
changes in your own prayer life.
You've been sharing with meabout making it more personal
with Jesus, where it's like,look, let's just, let's just,
can we just just drop all thisstuff?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Drop the facade, drop all the weird, like everything.
Like he literally just wants tospend time with us, like he's
there as a friend.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, and then, by way of that friendship, we
realize who he is, that he isthe Lord, right, and then all of
his benefits, right.
But why don't you speak to thata little bit too, because I
think that's really crucial forpeople to understand, and it's
going to sound you know, it'sgoing to sound.
I don't know, however, it'sgoing to sound, but you know it
makes total sense you know,because it's what you're, what
(14:26):
you're about to talk about isit's literally changing your
heart, posture, the way that youview the Lord.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, yeah, um, yeah, I, I, you know, that is
something I it's cool I did wantto talk about too on the
podcast.
Was you know?
It's been told to me my wholelife and I've, I've done it most
of my life.
I don't know, maybe most of mylife is, you know, like spend
spending time with the Lord,like reading the Bible, and I
(14:55):
definitely I've just learned,you know, over time and more
recently, just like it's's.
So it is not about this isweird, gonna sound weird.
It's not about spending timereading your bible.
Actually, that's good, that isgood, but there's another level,
(15:17):
you know, and it's not anotherlevel like a better level, but
what I've just had, this likerevelation, like recently, is
like I'm not reading this book.
To be like I read the book andI know what it says.
I need to read the book so thatI know his heart and I know him,
you know like when you readthrough any of the Bible, you
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know it is God's, one of God's,one of the ways that God reveals
himself to us, you know,through his word it's what he
gave us.
So it's like it's the easiestconnection point, you know.
And so what I've been doing is,like God, I was, you know,
reading, reading, reading,reading it.
And then I was like God, Idon't want to just read this
(16:02):
book like it's a book, so that Iknow this book, like I want to
know your heart, you know.
And so I like, and I startedenvisioning.
So I was sitting in my livingroom and you know, the front
door is right there and Iremember that verse that says
like I stand at the door.
(16:23):
And so I was like all rightverse that says like I stand at
the door and you know, yeah, andso I was like all right, and I,
I like, I think that I probably, yeah, I think I did do this
like the first time, like, allright now this is gonna get
weird or something, or maybeit's not, I don't know, but like
I literally physically went tothe door, opened the door, you
know, like out of out of, almostlike out of, like lord, I'll do
(16:43):
anything you know right toconnect with you know like out
of out of, almost like out of,like Lord, I'll do anything you
know to connect with you.
And I like opened the door, youknow, and I was like come in,
you know, and and I likeenvisioned the Lord coming in
and sitting in this chair, youknow, and he's kind of like
sitting across from me, and Iwas like Lord, like I want to
read this book so that you arerevealed to me, so that I know
(17:06):
you more.
And I've started likeenvisioning that every day, you
know, so I don't open the doorevery day but like I sit there.
I go get my coffee in themorning, I sit down, I open my
Bible and I, oh yeah, oh yeah,and I like envision the door
opening, I envision invitingJesus to come into the room,
like, like.
I had this, like like thoughtone day this was years ago that
(17:29):
I was like I was standing in acircle with, like some people
and I was like, and you know,they're like right there, you
know, and I was like you know,it's crazy At one point, like
Jesus was a man like which islike duh, but I was like he was
a dude, like he stood in acircle like this, like with
other dudes, you know, and um,and then I was like and he still
(17:52):
is, you know, and like anyways,and I was like, so I like
invite him into the room as ifhe's another human in the room.
You know, the man, jesus issitting across from me.
And now I'm going to like readand as I'm reading, I'm kind of
like going this is about you,this is who you are, this is
your heart.
(18:12):
You know, it's not like aboutyou know.
I read three chapters and I'm,you know, working my way through
Psalms.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's like you know, and and it's not.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
That's also not bad, but I want to encourage people
to like to try to go deeper, youknow, because also like we can
use that in the wrong way, youknow, like we could be like dude
I read through the whole Biblethis year, yeah, yeah, and you
feel pretty proud about that,you know, and then I can use the
(18:46):
verses against you.
You know, because I know somestuff about you.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I can smash you, but like it's like.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
It's like now we're using it for all the wrong
reasons, you know.
It's like it is there to revealwho God is to us, like who his
heart is, you know, so that wecan, like, commune better with
him.
You know, so that he can changeus, so we can be like, oh man,
oh, you know, like I am not likethat and this is who you are
(19:18):
and you are trying to change meinto that, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So I got a story that goes along with that.
I was talking to anotherbrother the other day and we
were.
The conversation went this wayand we were talking about some
things that are similar to likewhat we're talking about right
now, and I was listening to apodcast, um of another pastor
that I listened to and and hesaid that he had one night he
had this dream and in this dreamhe walked into this library.
(19:43):
There are books all on the walland there was this one book
that was sitting on the tableand he and he looked up and he
saw his wife's father standingthere right and he came over to
him and pointed to the book andsaid everything you need to know
about my daughter, which is hiswife, right, is in this book.
(20:06):
Like if you want to learn abouther heart, her emotions, her
past, whatever it is, it's likeeverything that you need to know
about her is are in the pagesof this book.
Yeah, right.
So he sits down and opens thebook and starts reading the book
, right, and goes through it alland at one point I'll try and
(20:27):
cut it shorter and make it notso long, like it was on the
podcast I was listening to.
But at one point, like a dooropens behind this father and
he's like, and in walks his wiferight, and she's trying to get
his attention, but he keepstelling her I'm hold on, I've
(20:48):
got to read, I'm learning aboutyou right now, right, and she
keeps trying to get hisattention and he keeps telling
her that hey look, I'm trying toread about you right now.
I'm trying to get to know whoyou are right, yeah and so then
I think, the father came overdude and closed the book and the
whole point of it was it's likelike we take so much time to
(21:10):
read, but what do we do whenhe's like actually standing in
front of us?
Right dude are we going to takethe time?
Because the written word itjust is is him, it's all about
him in one way, shape or form,right.
But when he walks in the room,yeah, and becomes real, are we
(21:30):
going to be able to put the bookdown right?
yeah and actually divert ourattention to the one, that is,
the book, to get to know him andwho he is yeah right, that's it
.
It's huge, bro.
So huge because it's like, yes,he wants us to read the written
(21:51):
word, but why do you need thewritten word when the one is
standing in front of you?
yeah right yeah this, thiswritten word is just to lead you
to the one right, right, and atthat some point he is revealed
and becomes super real to youbecause you've, you've.
This written word is just tolead you to the one Right, right
, and at some point he isrevealed and becomes super real
(22:11):
to you because you've beenstudying about him.
The Holy Spirit opens yourheart through the word so you
understand and recognize who theperson of Jesus is.
Well, at that point, dude nowit becomes super personal dude.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
So now, that he's in the room what are we going to do
?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, personal dude.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
So now that he's in the room.
What are we going to do?
Yeah, you, I was.
I was going to look it up, butI don't know where it is.
But I know it reminds me of theverse when Jesus said to the
Pharisees you search thesescriptures to find, you know,
life and I, I am the fulfillmentof those scriptures.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
And you and you, you know.
So it's like they were actuallysearching the scriptures for,
like the sake of searching thescriptures, to like, try to, and
, and he was there.
He showed up, you know, andthey were so into knowing,
knowing the scriptures, thatthey couldn't see the Christ who
was standing right in front ofthem, like when he was in the
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temple, like reading the scrollof Isaiah dude right.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And he said in today, and you're carrying the
scriptures, these scriptures arefulfilled yeah right he was.
He was doing the same thingwhere he's like look like I'm
here, you don't need thisanymore, right?
It basically is what he wassaying yeah, right, great to
study, yeah, but when the onethat it's written about is
standing in front of you.
You no longer lead the written.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I mean I don't.
I think we're not saying likedon't read the Bible, but Right
Of course not it's.
It's just it's like a different, like like we need to grow from
reading the Bible so that weknow the Bible.
Cause that's what I think thePharisees were doing.
They were like saying like bro,I know the bible, like what's
(23:45):
up, like what do?
you want, I'll quote you chapterand verse, right, and it's like
meanwhile they weren't livingit.
And that's the difference.
It's like what you're sayingit's when jesus comes and when
he, when he confronts us aboutsomething in our life, the dying
a little more, and and we don'tdo it, it's because maybe we're
just searching scriptures toknow the scriptures you know,
instead of actually going likeuh-oh.
(24:07):
Like you remember, we used to meand Brian used to always listen
to Pastor James McDonald yeah,and I love this and I was like
if I ever taught at a church,this is the first thing I would
say.
He goes, everybody, put yourhands up in the air and point at
yourself like.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
This is the beginning of his message, you know, and
he would say who is this?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
who is the bible about?
Like, who is this message about?
It's about you, it's not about.
We're not gonna read this thingand be like, oh bro, this part
right here is so about you, likeyou totally need help with this
, or I'm gonna call my so-and-soand tell him about this first.
No, like it's about you, yeahand I think it bounces off us a
(24:47):
lot and so many and everybodylike it just bounces right off
and we go like well, I know whocould use this word right, well,
I'll ultra modernize it, dude.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I'll put it in in words that everybody can
understand you and I can textback and forth on our phones,
right, and have a full-onconversation, but I'm not going
to sit across the table from youand text you.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, like there's no point Right, like at that point
, like you are actuallyphysically there.
Yeah, so I put my phone downand begin to have a conversation
with you yeah, that's goodInstead of sending you messages.
Yeah, like, why am I?
Yeah, so I put my phone downand begin to have a conversation
with you, yeah that's good.
Instead of instead of sendingyou messages like why?
why am I going to do that rightnow?
Like you said, this isn't.
We're not saying like don'tread your word or anything like
that, because the entire bibleis about jesus, right like.
(25:37):
He's the fulfillment of all thescripture.
He's he's the written word andhe's the spirit part of the word
right yeah so it's like heabsolutely is going to lead you
to scripture, to read it, toconfirm things, or to show you
things, to help you learn andunderstand things where you're
at in your life, and all of that.
So we're absolutely not sayinglike, don't read your word for
sure, but the whole point ofthis walk, dude, is to get to
(26:00):
know him and the person, yeah,yeah, exactly Of who he is
Exactly Right, Exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, it's an interesting mix.
It's like we should know thatwhole book.
We should know it.
We should know it like reallygood, you know, like it's almost
like a twofold approach, it'slike one.
You should know it like itbecause it is the word that he
chose to give to us.
Yeah, and it is all about him.
(26:26):
And, like people say, like youcould find jesus, you know, in
on every page.
You know, um, but there isanother level of knowing him.
You know, like.
You know, I think like that,when jesus was talking to the
disciples and I think this issuch a crazy verse he said, um,
you know, I'm gonna go away, youknow, and he said it's better
(26:47):
that I go away.
And I was thinking like thathad to be the dumbest thing that
the disciples ever heard.
Right they were like that soundslike the stupidest thing ever,
jesus, you know like, yeah, butwhat did he say?
So that another helper can come?
The holy spirit, right, whichis what we have.
And he was saying it's hard toeven imagine because it's like
(27:09):
he.
What he was saying was it'sbetter to have the holy spirit
than to have me, jesus, the manwho in person, which is just
bananas sounding like to ushumans, but it is the truth and
it's what we have.
We have that.
(27:31):
I mean, I think all the time I'dbe like, oh, I think it'd be
better if, like Jesus was likethe man was sitting in my truck
every day with me while I go towork.
But, yeah, interesting, right,yeah, but yeah, interesting,
right, yeah, I think, likeinviting him into, like
consciously inviting him intoall of our situations, like
opening the door, you know,inviting him into the room and
(27:55):
asking him to like revealhimself.
You know, in the spirit, youknow what I mean is so important
.
Or, lord, walk through thisdoor with me into work.
You know, in the spirit, youknow what I mean is so important
.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Or, lord, walk through this door with me into
work you know, Um, what do you,what do you think that that's
done for you personally, duringthe length of time that you've
been doing that, and you madethat switch and that difference,
looking back on how things usedto be versus how they are now.
What are, what are some of thebiggest takeaways and the
(28:24):
biggest things that have changedin you from from making that
shift to to purposely like beinglike you're here right now?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Well, I think it's exactly what we were talking
about before we turned on themicrophones.
Uh oh, it's just like I have.
I have like lived my life a lotlike wanting to depend on other
things besides him and not evenknowing it.
(28:56):
You know, and like I've, I'mlearning, you know that
depending on him, like knowinghim, depending on him, having
him as my total source, willbring me security.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
You know, and safety and life and joy and peace, and
depending on anything else willlead me to ruins.
you know, and so I've learnedI'm learning over time that the
more you know I depend on himand the more I invite him to be
my all in everything like, thestronger I am like the more
(29:41):
secure I am, the morestrengthened I am, you know I am
, the more strengthened I am,you know, like, as I invite him
to, you know, be my provider, ormy best friend, or my whatever,
you know like it's.
There's a humongous difference,you know, and when I depend on
anything else, I always likejust it's a total crash and burn
(30:03):
you know, and so over time II'm learning.
It's like I've learned it inwaves, you know, and even maybe
I've learned it, and then I'vegone back to other things you
know and um, oh man, I wrotethis song.
I don't know if I've evershared it with you, but it
reminds me of this.
I kind of recorded it, sort ofsort of the other day.
(30:24):
Maybe we'll do we dare say thison the podcast why not?
you said everything else we'vesaid this.
Like you know, we write songsevery once in a while.
We're like we got to likerecord these things and put them
on the podcast, you know yeahum, but I wrote this song called
idols you know, and, and Ithink the first line is like I,
(30:46):
I've worshiped all these idolsin vain, and all they've brought
to my life is pain.
Um you know, and they've left mebrokenhearted, uh, on my right,
down on my face, or on my faceright where, right back where
I've started, you know, um.
And then the chorus is like youare my god, I will trust in you
(31:07):
alone.
You are my savior, I'll worshipyou alone.
I can trust in you, jesus,because you've never let me down
.
But all these idols that I'vefallen for, they're nowhere to
be found but I can trust in youyou know, um, but dude, it's so
funny Cause, like I think of inthe old Testament and like I
(31:30):
read, like about the Israelites,and they're like they see like
God do something amazing andthen like two sentences later
they're like making a calf outof gold and worshiping it, and I
used to think like, like bro,what these guys are stupid, like
hawaiian.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
How, in the world, right, right, like you,
literally just saw him be apillar of cloud by day and fire
by night, dude and split the redsea.
Manna falling from heaven,quail and stuff appearing out of
nowhere like water out of arock, I mean you, their sandals,
the shoes on their feet andtheir clothes that they wore,
(32:08):
never wore out the entire timethey were in the wilderness, I
mean.
Except you would think thatyou'd be somewhat convinced,
right?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
right, except right, yes, yes, yes, except that's
what I do.
I think that's what we all doand I think, like that's why
it's in the book, you know it's.
It's a picture of what we do,like if we're not careful, if
we're not really really careful,it's like I think that's why
it's in there.
It's like I think that's whyit's in there, it's not.
And this is what's so funny.
It's like immaturity goes.
(32:49):
These guys, like what you knowand I'm not saying I'm mature,
but as I'm maturing, I'm like oh, I have done that.
I could totally do that.
I could see myself, I couldtotally do that.
I could see myself doing it, Icould feel myself going there
right now If I'm not careful, inspite of the cloud by day and
(33:11):
the pillar by night and all thethings that God has done, I'm
like you know what would be coolright now If I made a golden
pig and I just startedworshiping that stupid thing pig
and I just started worshipingthat stupid thing.
Sounds like a great idea, right?
What?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
uh, we keep it real super left field right, keep it
real right here super left field.
Yeah, like so you built agolden pig and you're worshiping
it and it's like what?
Yeah, but I mean that's sort ofwhat we do anyway, right,
Anytime we divert away from ourrelationship with the Lord or
whatever else, it's essentiallywhat we're doing.
(33:56):
We're erecting an idol to paymore.
It's anything that we pay moreattention to than the Lord.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, totally yeah.
I heard somebody talking aboutit the other day, like in a
sermon, and they were likesaying like, as soon as God
didn't give them what theywanted, they said to Aaron when
Moses was up on the mount makeus another God who will give us.
(34:23):
What we want is essentially whatthey were saying and I'm like
like, like it may even be likethis, this, this may be even how
intimately intimate this stuffis.
I had a bad day at work.
I come home and I get on socialmedia and I'm like show me
(34:46):
something to make me feel better, cause I don't feel good right
now.
Right, and I'm not even sayingit's like sinful things, like
you know whatever, but it couldjust be anything that it's like
I don't feel loved, I don't feelgood right now, and it's like
I'm going to click to somethingelse you know, you just brought
(35:06):
up a good point.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I was thinking, as you were saying right now, it's
like what was the majordifference?
Why did they say to build acalf, dude, right?
Well, she says moses was theonly one that had a relationship
with god.
Yeah, I mean, honestly, youknow.
Yeah, like I mean, to them, godwas the thing of legends, dude,
right, it's like this is justwhat we've always, the stories
(35:29):
we've always been told, you knowwhat I mean.
The stories have been passeddown around the campfire at
night of, like, you know, all ofwhatever, and it's like, really
, moses was the only one thathad a relationship with God.
Yeah, right, so they went backto what they knew from being in
Egypt in captivity.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Right, yeah, which is a really interesting point
you're saying because and I'mthinking, yeah, but they were
watching God do stuff.
Okay, so that's reallyinteresting.
Right, they were watching Goddo stuff physically for them,
yet they still had no connectionwith him whoa, yeah, so it's
what it's.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Just you're, you're amazed by the awe and wonder
dude of like these signs andwonders that are happening in
front of you.
But if it's devoid ofrelationship, like there is
really no awe and wonder yeah ofwhat he's doing, yeah it
doesn't last long, right?
well, it's like okay, so like,let's take it down to the father
(36:28):
thing, dude.
Okay, so, like you know, you'resomewhere with like your kids
and there's other fathers in thepark doing stuff.
I mean, your kids are watchingthem, right, potentially do
stuff, but it's oh well thatdad's doing that with their kid,
right, or whatever else likethat.
But if you do the same thing,they're looking at you like that
(36:52):
was like the most amazing thing, right?
Speaker 1 (36:54):
now.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Like we had so much fun today when we were doing
this or doing that or whateverright because there is a
relationship with you as theirfather.
So all the cool stuff that theother dads were doing or just
like it's just whatever they'rejust doing stuff took on a whole
new meaning when they weredoing that same stuff with their
father yeah, right, yeah, and Ithink this goes back to what we
were saying.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
It's like there's like a difference between just
like reading the word right andthen reading the word to know
him.
Yeah, you know, and yeah, oneof the things I've been doing
lately is, instead of like, ifI'm praying about something,
because generally my prayers arelike complaint lists- and
(37:40):
another thing.
We need one of those likedo-do-tsh, like things, you know
, like that button we can pushand like there's a cool sound
effect, but um, that's, it's noteven a joke, it's real Um, but,
um, um.
So I've I, because, because,like I want to get to know him
and so I've thought I've, I'veprayed, like here's my, I've
(38:03):
done my complaint list orwhatever, all right, and as I'm
in my complaint list with him, II somehow at some point this
came into my brain to ask himwhat he thinks he thinks about
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Oh, that's a dangerous thing.
Uh-huh, it's a loaded lit stickof dynamite?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, it is.
Yeah, it's like Lord, I am likeyou know, I'm so frustrated
about this thing or this personand blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, and on and on and on
, and then, like, when I finallyget like my bearings, you know,
(38:52):
I go what do you think?
And that's when it gets real.
And it is almost alwaysopposite of what I think,
because I'm like fired up withemotions, you know, and I'm
fired up with like all my stuff,dude, and then he's like I
think this, you know, and if wecan get to that point where we
get to know him and what hethinks, then we can change the
way we think.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, so the renewing of ourminds.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's exactly.
Yeah, I know know.
I thought like yesterday whenwe were like planning on the
podcast, I was like I just wantto talk about renewing our minds
again, like it's so, it's noteven.
We haven't even like don't evenscratch the surface soon but oh
, this is so funny.
Oh, I was thinking about thistoo.
(39:34):
I heard this clip.
It was like I wish I had it,like we could play it.
But is this lady?
And she was like giving like aTed talk or something, I don't
know.
She was like a scientist andshe goes.
And she goes um, she goes.
I have a friend and she's likein like a neuroscientist, so
like a brain scientist orwhatever, and she uh did this
(39:54):
like paper on um meditation andshe she's like I'm a real
scientist, so I don't believe inthat stuff.
You know what I mean.
She goes.
But then I saw her research andshe goes, she goes.
They had these people likemeditate for like 20 minutes
every day and she said like in,like I don't know what it was,
30 or 60 days.
(40:15):
She said it changed the likechemistry of their brains and it
also grew brain cells.
And the lady goes, this thingchanged, not only changed
people's minds, but it renewedtheir mind.
It grew new brain cells,literally.
(40:36):
And I was like yeah, yeah,that's called spending time with
god, and and I and I alwaysthink I always love it when I
see science actually proving-yeah, what god's saying, because
god's like spend time with me.
You know like, and everybody'sin every, all christians know
like.
As we spend more time with him,then he then you know we,
(40:58):
whatever we get peace, we callit peace, you know?
Or like, oh, like, I just feelbetter after I spend time with
him, then he, then you know we,whatever we get peace, we call
it peace, you know?
Or like, oh, like, I just feelbetter after I spend time with
the lord.
Yeah, that's it.
It's a, it's a physical thingand a spiritual thing, but it
was cool because I was like thislady did a scientific study
about meditation and I don'tknow what they were meditating
on, but even just peacefulthoughts and whatever, whatever,
(41:18):
even that which is basicallythe act of prayer and the act of
spending time.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Because most people would probably be like focus on
the higher power.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Even that's close enough, but we know the higher
power.
Yeah, that's cool, yeah, it'swild.
Yeah, it's wild, it's wild.
Yeah, I thought about thatverse again too, that we talked
about last time.
But the total reformation ofhow we think, oh yeah, yeah,
(41:52):
that's a banger yeah, that's,yeah, that's a loaded bomb dude.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, there's so many aspects of that dude, without
getting too far into it, I meanit's, it's.
He literally, like, dissects usevery single day, right, well,
I mean okay, so I didn't wentahead and said it, so I gotta
say the scripture right, it'swhat the word of god is
(42:18):
sharpened, double-edged swordable to divide the soul and the
spirit even into the marrowright, like it gets to the
nitty-gritty right the nacholibre, yeah, yeah yeah, no, like
, yeah, but it it.
basically it gets to the verycore of anything that it touches
(42:40):
or it's exposed to, right?
So any thought we're having,any emotion we're having, any
way of life, anything is likewhen you introduce the word of
God to it, it will absolutely,every time, go right to the core
of whatever that thing is.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
And I think it takes true bravery and we're going to
call it manhood.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Bold.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Bold To actually listen to the Lord about what
he's saying about ourselves,because I think he's always
speaking and he's always like.
I don't really think thatthat's what you should be doing,
you know, and we're just likewhatever Like, and it takes a
(43:36):
total.
Total, you know, and I'm I'mjust saying man, because I think
it's most of our audience.
But womanhood too, it takes abeast of a woman.
Same thing to actually hear thelord say something about, about
who we are and what we need tochange and how we're not.
We don't, we're not thinkinglike him, you know or he like
(43:57):
that's actually not my heart onthat issue.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
What we think of being a man is in terms of like,
like we've said before, you'vegot to lift weights, you've got
to go hunting, you've got todrink beer, you've got to wear
an American flag hat, all thisother stuff, right, I mean
there's all these things, dude,that the world defines as what a
true man is dude, and it's like.
No, it's like.
You grab your bootstraps, dudeand right and and a real man
(44:23):
when he's faced with questionsabout who he is and who god is,
or presented with the like hey,man, I need god saying I need to
change this or I need to dothis like.
A real man is able to, to takethe reins of his life with the
direction of the holy spirit andhelp institute change in the
(44:44):
way that we think, the way thatwe act, the way that we treat
others yeah, right I mean that's, that's essentially what a real
man is.
Do you realize that you're frailand that his ways are not our
ways, and you're willing to takethe steps necessary to make the
changes that he's asking you tomake?
Speaker 1 (45:05):
yeah, you brought this up the other day.
I don't remember exactly whatit was, but and I've been
thinking about a lot too it'sjust, it's that word submission,
you know.
And when you were saying that,I was just like thinking.
You know, we like to think like, like we're the boss of our
life, right, like I'm the Idon't know.
(45:26):
And the reality is, asbelievers, like we are, we have
a king that we serve, and a true, a true like warrior man is
always under a king right likethey Like.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
they're not just like a lone Ranger, I mean unless
they're the lone Ranger.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
But uh right.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
They'll walk around like mercenaries all the time.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Right, just doing whatever they want, right.
But we are not that.
So we are under the Lordship ofGod.
And when he when you know it'slike in the military, if there's
like the top dude and he'stelling one of his guys, hey,
like, look, there's this thingthat you do.
You know, let's work on that.
Like you are under submissionto that person.
(46:08):
You know, and I think that thatthat actually makes a true
warrior is somebody who'ssubmitted to somebody else.
You know, because that personand we have god, the creator of
the universe, like whisperinginto our ear, like this is my
heart.
On that issue you need to comeinto alignment with me, you know
(46:29):
.
I mean, that's, that's amission thing well, it's like in
the military.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I mean it's.
You know, they have everythingthat they need to empower man or
woman to be the best that theycan be right in all areas, right
, but you don't get that unlessyou submit to the authority yeah
but the the submission isactually the key that opens the
(46:55):
door to the greater authority.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Right, you guys would be running your own program,
right right, yeah, that's reallygood, that's really good yeah.
That was really good.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, lord, help us to submit, lord,
help us to hear what you'resaying, lord, help us to submit,
lord, help us to hear whatyou're saying, lord, like in the
most intimate ways in our lives.
Lord, we know you care for us,lord, and the only reason why
you tell us things is because ifwe do things your way instead
(47:33):
of our way, we know it's goingto be a better result.
We've run our own courses somany times, lord, like.
Just give us the ability torelent, lord, from our own
program, from the ways that wethink, lord, that total
reformation of how we think, andeven like, repent about it,
(47:53):
like, have a repentance wherewe'd be like I used to think
like this and now I don't, youknow, or like and it's a choice.
You know like I'm, I used tothink this way and now I think
this way.
So, lord, just empower us to umjust to incorporate that into
our every moment of our everyday.
Lord, as we walk into work, aswe walk into a restaurant.
(48:16):
Lord, as we see other people oryou know, interface with other
people, lord, that Lord just bewhispering in our ear like what
you want us to do, how you wantus to be, and, lord, we want to
just come more into submission,lord, and just die to all those
(48:37):
things, lord, that are actuallybringing us death.
They're not bringing us life,lord, so bring us life, god, as
we go this week and just blesseverybody who's listening and
yeah, in Jesus' name, amen, amen, amen, until next time, peace,
peace, thank you.
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