August 3, 2025 • 30 mins
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From beginning to end, from crime to punishment. Drag Net
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Force and action.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
It was Wednesday, February sixth, was cold in Los Angeles.
We're working the day Watch out of Homicide detail. My
partner's Ben Romero. The boss is stab Brown, Chief of Detectives.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
My name is Friday.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
I was on the way back from the Record Bureau
and it was eleven eighteen am when I got to
Room forty two Homicide.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yo.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Hi to show up?
Speaker 6 (02:46):
You yeah, a couple of minutes ago. She's waiting for
us now in the next room.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Or did you talk to her all?
Speaker 7 (02:50):
No?
Speaker 6 (02:50):
It seems to be a nice enough woman. I don't
know how much help she's going to be. Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, Spain,
I'd like to have you meet my partner, Sergeant Friday.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Joe.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
This is Miss Bannders.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Hello.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I'm sorry I wasn't home when you stopped by yesterday's sergeant.
I got the card you left, though, I sawed him
as soon as I got home.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Well, thanks for coming in with Spanner. We have a
few questions we'd like to ask. You won't take very long, and.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
We have a communication from a Laddice Delan back in
New York. Miss Spani's about her brother, A Chester Dylon.
We understand you rented his home from him out of
Northton Avenue, mister Dylan.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Well, yes, I've got a two year lease on the house.
I rented it from him last November.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Well, according to the letter we got from mister Dylon's sisters,
she's worried about him. She hasn't heard from him in
some time. You any idea where we could contact him?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Well, the last I heard he left on a trip
to New York. That was about eight weeks ago. I'd
say you see, I usually sent a check for the
rent the apartment he had to hear and when he
left on his trip, he told me to hold on
to the rent checks and he'd collect him when he
got back.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
How long did he saved be gone.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I don't remember, definitely. I think he said four or
five months.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
He didn't leave any forwarding address, any place you could
contact him back.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
He's no, he didn't. He just wanted to get away,
didn't want to be bothered with anyone. He wasn't feeling
very well. He's very depressed, poor man.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Well why was that, ma'am?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Do you know his wife died just a few months ago?
Speaker 6 (04:03):
You know, no, ma'am, we didn't know. All we got
from his sister was that she hadn't heard from Dylan.
She was worrying. She didn't give us any other information.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Yes, missus, Dylan died and last September, I think it
was before. A man felt terrible about it, couldn't seem
to get over it. That's why he rented the house
to me. Reminded him too much of her. Yes, my
lovely home they have. Mister Dolan said he really didn't
want to rent it, but he couldn't stand being alone
in the house.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
It was a large place, you know, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
We checked with the people living in the house. Now
we understand you leased the place to them last month.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
I sub leased it, yes, you see, it just got
too big for me. It was nice at first, but
it got to be an awful lot of work. I
rented it to this family and took a smaller house
down the street.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Would you happen to know any of mister Dylan's friends
in the city, Miss Banner, anyone we could contact who
might know where we'dn' locat him.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
He didn't seem to have any friends, see, and his
wife had only been in the city a year before
she died.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
He was retired, you know, yes, ma'am. We talked to
some of the neighbors out there. They couldn't tell us
much about him.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Maybe some of the people he did business with might
know something. If he tried the neighborhood bank out there.
I know that's where mister Dillon had his account. No, man,
we have his yet, We right and give you the
bank's address.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
It's about all.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Though, and that's the Army contact, you know.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I'm afraid so, yes, I didn't know much about mister
Dillon's private affairs. Whenever I talked to him, it seemed
the only thing he had on his mind was his
wife's death.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
Just couldn't seem to get over it.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Seemed like he didn't want to get over it.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
You mentioned that when you leased his home, mister Dylan
took an apartment. Do you happen to have that address? Mispan?
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Well, I don't have it with me now, but I
have it at home. Mightn't call in and give it
to you.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
If you like?
Speaker 6 (05:34):
If you wouldn't, please, certainly, well, thank you very much,
Miss Banner. You have a card, and when you hear
anything at all from mister Dillnan, we'd appreciate a good car.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
And surely I'll call you right away. Do you think
something could have happened to him?
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Well as possible, We don't know. All we have is
a letter from his sister.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Does seem kind of strange, doesn't it. It wasn't feeling
too well. I wondered why he hadn't contacted me about
sending the rent money to him. He's such a nice man,
mister Dylan. I certainly hope nothing's.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Happened to him.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Say it was very depressed about his wife's death.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Ma'am.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Would you say that it was getting to be a
little abnormal with him?
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Maybe?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Well, I wouldn't know about that, sergeant, but I didn't know.
He brooded about it all the time, he felt that
he'd lost everything, didn't seem to want to go on.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Did he ever give an indication that maybe he might
take his own life? I mean, all this brooding over
his wife.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Well, no, nothing definite, just depressed and moody all the time. Oh,
now that I remember it, the last time I saw him,
he did say something kind of funny.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
That's mama was.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
That was the day before he left. We were talking
about the rent money and I asked him if I
couldn't send it to him. He got kind of a
strange look on his face. Yeah, he said, where I'm going,
I won't need the money.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
The day before we called on Lucille Banner for an interview,
a letter had been received from a Miss Gladys Dyllon
in Elmira, New York. The request was routine. It was
one of thousands of similar letters received every year by
police departments all over the country. Each one of them
has to be worked out to the satisfaction of all parties.
Concerned the person who's reported missing in the person looking
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for them. It's an enormous job, requiring thousands of man
hours annually. Like the dozens of other investigations handled by
the police officers, some of the men happily, some of
them in tragedy. Whatever the result, the finding of a
lost person is just as important to function of your
local police department as any other investigation. Gladys Dylan hadn't
heard from her brother recently. She was worried about him.
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She asked us to investigate. Our initial interview with Lucille Banner,
the woman who'd rented Chester Dillon's home, failed to yield
much of a lead as to us whereabouts. The only
source of additional information she could offer was the neighborhood
bank where Dylan had his account. One o'clock that afternoon,
Ben and I drove out to interview the manager of
the bank, a mister Harrison.
Speaker 8 (07:44):
Yes, that's right, mister Dylan had his account with us
ever since he came to Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I know in fact, Well, is it's something he'd like
to know about it?
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Yes, and there is. We had a request from his
sister in New York. She'd like to look in now.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I'm pretty sure is the count is still open here?
Speaker 8 (07:57):
Matter of fact, I'm positivity when I'll have one of
the quirks getting spot.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
That reminds me I almost forgot. I think, what's that?
I got to get to the bank tomorrow, for sure,
famed all my cars. The day passed you already when
he got two Maymans left, Oh well, you were doing fine.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
I got another eight months ago.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Not so fine. Two more payments to go, and now
the wife wants to knew and never played here. We
are outside of him, just as I thought.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Mister Gillin's account is still open for her.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
There been any recent deposits or withdrawals on the account?
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Severn much us? Uh huh, just cause I thought nothing
since he left on his trip.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That last withdrawal date was November twenty seventh.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
He mentioned to you that he was going on a trip,
did he Yes?
Speaker 8 (08:39):
I think he said he was going back to New York,
more or less a vacation trip to see his wife
died recently. He didn't take it too well.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Yes, we understand. Did he leave any instructions about his
account with you?
Speaker 6 (08:49):
Mister Harrison?
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Any address you could contact him out if you had
to know.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
He didn't leave any instructions with me, no address, just
a vacation trip. He said he didn't expect to be
gone too long, cause he.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Mentioned it would be five or six weeks.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
I think that's what he said.
Speaker 8 (09:03):
I happened to talk to him about it because at
the time he made it quite a sizeable withdrawal.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
I thought maybe he was a little unhappy with our service.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
How much was it withdrawal?
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Sir?
Speaker 8 (09:12):
See here it is November twenty seventh. He withdrew twenty
four hundred dollars.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Was that in cash or in traveler's checks?
Speaker 7 (09:20):
You know?
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Show us here that it was in cash. Mister Harrison,
you said a minute ago that you knew miss didn't
pretty well.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
He used to stop and chat with me whenever he'd
come in the bank. That was usually once a week.
I didn't know him socially, though, huh. And you mentioned
he seemed to take his wife's death pretty hard. What
would you say his mental condition was last time?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
So all right?
Speaker 8 (09:42):
I'd say just after his wife's death, he wasn't in
very good shape, broodered about it quite a bit, and
he began to pull out of it. Seemed to be
a fairly good friend of mine, planned his vacation, he
was looking forward to it, And I see, why do.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
You ask something wrong?
Speaker 6 (09:57):
No, sir, not that we know of. Routine check that's
about uh.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Does Dylan have any other real estate besides the house
or Royal Sla Avenue? Would you have to know that?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Not?
Speaker 8 (10:06):
To my knowledge, No, he has no other business connections
in Los Angeles. Here are all his references right here and.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Seen.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
Most of them are charge accounts and so forth. I
remember the time he opened his account with us.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
He told me he was retired. He and his wife
came out here for their health. They have any relatives
out here? Do you know, Metarian?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
No? From what I understand, both of their families are
in the East.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
You don't have any children, according to his application, very
few relatives.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
And since Dylan was in here last November to make
that withdraw, you've had no communications from him at all?
Speaker 6 (10:38):
No, sir, I haven't what seemed to be the trouble.
Do you have an idea something might be wrong? M
nothing definite, No, sir. We've been told about his feeling
depressed over his wife's death, and there was some indication
he might possibly have done away with himself after what
you have told. This doesn't seem too like him.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
I wouldn't like to commit myself as I say. He
didn't seem to be getting over it. I didn't know
him that way.
Speaker 8 (11:00):
Well, it might be entirely consiment. He was devoted to
Missus Hillon. Maybe he could have picked his own life.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Leaves a big question answered, an't it?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Let's say, why do you.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Need the twenty four hundred dollars to do it? One
twenty five pm, we continued interviewing the bank manager, mister Harrison,
but he was unable to come up with any further leaves.
Before we left the bank, he gave us a complete
list of all of Chester Dillon's references. We gave him
our card and he told us he would pass along
immediately any information he might get on the whereabouts of
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mister Dylan. One we went back to the office where
we got a call from Lucille Banner. She gave us
Dylan's last known address and we drove out to check.
It was an apartment court in the Pico Crenshaw area.
We talked to the manager and she told us that
Dylan had moved out three months before. On November twenty second.
He told her that he was moving in with a
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close friend of his, and he gave her his forwarding address.
It turned out to be a single story framed cottage
located in one of the older residential districts of the city.
The name on the mail box read Raymond L. Shafer.
We rang the bell, and a man who identified himself
as Raymond Shafer untured us into a small living room.
He told us that he was from the same town
in the east that the Dylans came from, and that
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he was a longtime friend of theirs. No, I haven't
seen Chester for months. Last November I think it was
that was the last time I saw him.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
You say at that time, Dylan was living in the
apartment down in the friend Show areas.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
You mean he never came here to live with you.
Speaker 9 (12:25):
No, it's just like I told you before. He talked
about moving in here with me, but he never did.
Haven't any idea where he is.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Well, he gave you a name here as a forwarding address, Shaffer.
Have you been getting his mail?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, a matter of fact, I have. He told me
he was going to do that.
Speaker 9 (12:38):
Never came to pick it up, though, seemed funny to me.
You're still getting his man here is r Yeah, it's
still coming. Not much of it, maybe a letter a week,
mostly bills and advertising.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
This list of names you've given us, sir, these are
all the people in the East. Mister Dylon was acquainted
with people in might contact on his trip back there.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Er, that's all far as I know.
Speaker 9 (12:55):
He hadn't been back there yet, though, How do you
know that I've got a letter from my.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Sister gerdak with days ago.
Speaker 9 (13:00):
If Chester was in town, great would have known about it.
He would have been sure to stop buy and see it.
I wish I could help you tell you the truth
and get a little worried about him myself. Well, you
just had one more question, mister Shaever, you even know
if mister Dylan was in the habit of carrying large
sums of money around with him.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Chester was pretty cautious that way.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
It wasn't too free with.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
A dollar, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Would you'd happen to know if he had a large
sum of money with him the last time you saw him. No,
if he did it, he didn't mention it.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
I see you can't think of anything else that might
give us a leader on mister Dinlon's worry about anything
at all.
Speaker 9 (13:31):
I think I've told you everything. I wish it was
something I could tell you that it helped.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I sure hope nothing's happened to.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Him, Yes, sir, And would you mind showing this that
mayl you're owning for dinner free?
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Oh sure, sir. He's right over here in the desk.
There you are.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
That's all.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
I thank you.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
Anything, Joe, No, not much.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Build circulars. There's one with a New York postmark, tell
my uh, probably from his sister. It's another one only
three days old from the Union Department store. A couple
more earlier dates on it. That's about it.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Yeah, I'll copy it down and return addresses on fine,
mister Shaffer. Yeah, this suitcase with a desk here in
National was on a cold Yeah CLD.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Is that your bag?
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Shafer?
Speaker 9 (14:22):
Oh no, I forgot to tell you chest to left
that here one day.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
How was that?
Speaker 9 (14:26):
Well, that was one day just before he was gonna
leave on his vacation, and he brought over here and
said he'd like to leave it with me.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Forgot to mention it today. D you bring anything else
with him?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:35):
He brought another.
Speaker 9 (14:36):
Suitcase with him, just like this one I got in
the other room. He said he wanted to leave him
here while he was on his vacation.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I'm sorry I forgot to mention it, or maybe you
forgot something else, Shaper? What most people take their suitcases
on a trip, don't they? Mm two thirty pm, we
continued questioning Raymond Shaffer. We opened the two suitcases labeled
with the initials of Chester Dylan and found him a
certain The personal items which Shaffer told us belonged to
Dylan and his late wife small pictures, cigarette boxes, books,
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similar articles, which apparently would not be taken on a
vacation trip. None of them were of any great value.
After we left Shaffer's home, we checked him to R
and I and found he had no criminal records. We
checked further with friends and acquaintances of both men and
found nothing to indicate that Shafer was in any way
involved in the disappearance of Chester Dylon. Three point thirty PM,
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we called the office and found that there's been no
answer so far to the broadcast and missing person's bullets
that we'd gotten out on Dylan. We started checking your
references given us by the bank. First was the Union
Department store was located on Main Street in the south
end of town. We checked with a credit department to
see what information we could get from them.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Yes, moved the fire on the Dylan's right here Chester Ellen,
Sar Jay on Ruston Avenue, ma'am, that's one. What information
would you like, sir?
Speaker 5 (15:55):
We're trying to locate mister Dylon, ma'am. If you had
any recent change of address on that account.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
No, what happened if they moved, you know, well we
believe so.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
We don't know his present adress. All.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
We do have an outstanding bill of theirs. I noticed
them several form letters. Have been trying to contact them ourselves.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Have there been any recent charges on that account?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
You know, let's see, nothing too recent. No, last charge
was made on December fifth, Yes, Thursday's December fifth.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
That's a couple of weeks after we disappeared. You.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Yeah, what was that charge for? Man? What did mister
Dylan buy?
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Oh, mister Dylan didn't buy anything. The slip was signed
by missus Dylon.
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Speaker 5 (18:08):
Four fifteen pm, Thursday February seven, as soon as the
clerk in the credit department at the Union department store
showed us the sales slip with the late missus Sarah
Dillon signature on it. We had the data on the
sales slip double checked immediately. The data shown on the
slip was correct beyond any doubt December fifth, That was
a little more than two and a half months after
Sarah Dillon had died. Who the person was who forged
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her signature, of why they'd forged it, we had no idea.
The amount of the charge purchases shown on the sales
slip was for four hundred and eighteen dollars, all of
it for women's clothing. We attempted to check with the
salesgirl who handle the purchase, a Laura van Kirk, but
we were told it was her day off. We called
her home. They told us that she was gone for
the day and couldn't be located. They said she'd be
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at work the following morning four forty pm. Then and
I took the sales slip with a forged signature on
it and drove back to the office. We went direct
the forgery detail, briefed them on our findings and gave
them the sales slip. Then we drove back to the
home of the Dylan's friend Raymond Shaefer, and checked through
the two suitcases. There we came up with a small
photo of missus Dillon, along with exemplars of her handwriting
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as well as her husbands, which we found in an
autograph album in one of the suitcases. The handwriting samples
were checked against the signature on the sales slip, but
neither of them matched. The work of compiling a list
of all known female forgery suspects was begun immediately the
following morning. Then and I went back to the Union
Department store, where we interviewed the salesgirl, Laura van Kirk,
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who'd handle the purchase.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
Yes, I remember making the sale officer. I'm not too
sure about the woman who brought the things though, I
mean what she looked like?
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Well, could you try to describe her forces then, Kirks
as well as you can remember.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
She had light round here. I'm pretty sure that not
too old, maybe in her late thirties early forties. She
was a plain looking woman, five foot five or six then,
as I remember, she wore glasses. I remember for that too.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Let me see you got that picture of miss delamare.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Ben uh oh yeah, yeah, here you are Would you
take a look at this picture, miss Now, does that
look like the woman you waited on?
Speaker 7 (20:12):
No, No, that's not her. The woman I waited on
was much younger. She had light brown hair too, not gray.
Uh huh, thin and taste, I think. And she wore glasses.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
I'm sure that you remember if there was a man
with her, Miss van Kirk, or was she alone?
Speaker 7 (20:27):
No, she was alone, now that I remember. There was
something very different about the glasses she wore. I don't
know if that's.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Important or not.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
What about her glasses?
Speaker 7 (20:36):
There were horn rimmed, as I remember, very light colored,
and there was a metalwork along the top edge of
the frame, very smart looking gold metal along the top.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Light brown hair, slight bill, thin face. Late thirties and
early forties were light horn rimmed glasses and gold metal
on the frame.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Shaking me if I'm wrong. Joe had description done for
many just without I was thinking on rim glasses, metal work.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
On a woman who came to see us at the
other Yeah, you got it, Lucille Banner. Then and I
went back to the office and had Lucille Banner checked
through R and I. She had no criminal record. Then
we drove to the home on Ralston Avenue, which Chester
Dillon had leased to Lucille Banner and which she in
turn had sub left. We obtained a copy of the
lease which the Banner woman had with the current tenants
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and which bought her signature. We brought the copy of
the lease downtown, gave it to Don Meyer and Handwriting,
and asked him to compare Lucille Banner's signature with the
signature on the sale slip that we'd obtained from the
Union Department store. Fifteen minutes later, he called us at
the office with a result.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Yeah done, that's so all right, thanks Love.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
What do you get?
Speaker 6 (21:45):
Says there's no question in his mind, Yeah, both signatures
match perfectly. What the reason was behind.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Lucille Banner was forging the signature of missus Dyllan on
the sales slip, We didn't know whether or not it
had any connection with the disappearance of Chester Dylon. We
didn't know. As soon as we got the handwriting report
from Don Meyer, Ben and I left the office immediately
and drove to the bungalow which the Banner woman was
unting on Rawlston Avenue. It was a block down the
street from the Dylan house. Lucille Banner wasn't at home,
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but a neighborhood gardener trimming the lawn in front of
her house told us that she was expected back shortly.
The gardener, who identified himself only as Julio, volunteered that
he also did gardening work for Miss Banner when she
occupied the Dylan home. He'd also worked for the Dylons
when they lived in the house. He told us he
liked the Dylans quite a bit, but he didn't have
much use for Miss Banner. He seemed to be up
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on all the news in the neighborhood. He trimmed the
hedges of the lawn with hand shears as we talked
to him.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Can you tell us anything about Miss Dylan and Miss Banner, Julia?
How'd they say him get along?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
You know?
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Did they get along all right?
Speaker 9 (22:50):
I guess when I worked at the big house down
Debt Form Miss Banner, that's before she moved. I would
see mister Dillon there. He would be at the house
maybe once two times a week.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
This Kanna would ask us.
Speaker 9 (22:59):
To come over.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Took inter for this.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Banner liked him. Might think mister Dylan, I don't know
about him. He wasn't feelings so good? Still thinking about
his wife head.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I finish up this clipping. Now there all done. You
mentioned you don't like miss Banner very much, Julia? Why
is that? She ever give you a reason? Nothing like her?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
And she said a little crazy.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
I think a funny woman. When I used to work
at the Big House for her in the garden, she
would watch me all the time, follow me all around,
tell me to do all kind of crazy jobs.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
She can be good play though, so.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
I do the hone you mean, Julia, what kind of crazy? Joe?
Speaker 9 (23:31):
The compost box for fertilizer. You know, she wanted me
to build one for her in the backyard. That was
down the street at the Dylan House. Crazy woman, she
wanted me to build a compost box in the greenhouse.
I'm a special place mark for whoever heard of that?
To build a compost box inside the greenhouse?
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Crazy? What did you build it for?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Is?
Speaker 9 (23:47):
But not inside the greenhouse. I built it outside, right
next door to the greenhouse. When she come out, I
saw she go crazy, almost call me names crazy. She
made me tear it up. Then she made me build
the inside the greenhouse right on the place she.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Had mark for it don't queer?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
And when did all this happened?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Julia?
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Do you remember when you built the compost box?
Speaker 9 (24:03):
I mean a couple of months ago about that. It
was just after mister Dillon went away. I tried to
tell him as Banner, who ever heard of a compost
box in a great hoouse?
Speaker 5 (24:10):
She wouldn't listen. She had to have it build at
a certain.
Speaker 9 (24:13):
Place, right in the greenhouse. Little piece of ground in there.
The box had to go right on top of her her.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
You figure she acted pretty strange about it. Do you
think she had something in there?
Speaker 9 (24:21):
Little piece of ground?
Speaker 6 (24:22):
You think she had something to hide?
Speaker 5 (24:27):
One fifteen pm, Lucille Banner returned home and Ben and
I went inside the house Winner, where we questioned her
in the living room. Outside in the front yard, the
gardener Julio continued working on the lawn. Lucille Banner was
calm and composed. We questioned her about the forged signature
on the sales slip. She would admit nothing.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
The whole thing's too silly. You'd even comment on I
don't know what you're talking about touching.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
We think you do, Miss Banner. A handwriting man's checked
the two signatures went on the sail slip and one
on the lease.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
They both matched.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
They were written with the same person.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
There's no doubt about it and checked herls know what
about it, Miss Banner? There's no way out of it.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
You ought to know that, all right, that's all.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I keep on denying it. I wasn't in that story,
and I didn't forge any signatures. Why would I do
a thing like that? What kind of a woman do
you think I am?
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Well, we know where the facts, ma'am. Now, why don't
you give us a straight story. It's gonna save time
and trouble for everybody concerns.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
You've heard everything you've got to say. This thing's ridiculous,
it's stupid.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
I'm not answering any more questions. You wanna get your
head and coat.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Miss Banner.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
I'm fraid you have to come downtown with her?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
What good's that going to do. I'll just keep on
denying if you can't make me sayd of a thing
like that.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
I wanna get your coke?
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Please?
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Right here?
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Alright, yes, ma'am, cars right out in front. Hold it
a minute when you're bad, m you know, okay, Julia?
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Yes, a minute?
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Sure, all Miss Bonner?
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Liam say, I'd like to ask you of you, Julia,
you got a couple of minutes to spare.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah, you want something?
Speaker 5 (25:50):
We wanna take a look in the backyard of the
house down the street, mister Dylan's house. Like, have you
come along with it? Julia won't take very long? Sure, okay,
I'll come along. Bring a shovel along when you're Julio
check something? Yeah, okay, I bring one.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Alright, alright, miss Bani.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
What's it's about?
Speaker 4 (26:05):
What are you trying to do something?
Speaker 5 (26:07):
We wanna check in the Dollon's backyard. It won't say far.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
What would it have to do with me? I don't
have anything to do with that house.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
I don't even live there anymore. You realize that, don't Yes, ma'am,
we realize it. I'll call my lawyer. I'll call him
as soon as I get to a phone.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
That's right, Jill, back this way.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
So I just threw the gate.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
H What are you trying to do to me?
Speaker 6 (26:31):
You know I don't live here anymore.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I don't even have anything to do with this place.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
You did live here, ma'am. You lived here when missed
the dinner disappeared? Isn't none right?
Speaker 4 (26:38):
What are you trying to say. You've got no business
on this property. You've got no business here at all.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Yes, ma'am, we have what did you kill? Jess the dinner?
Did you kill him?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
It's been.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Right, Julia. The compost box in the greenhouse. Do you
wanna start digging?
Speaker 9 (26:54):
Is the compost box?
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
He was an old man, so old, he was sick man.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
He didn't wanna live anymore.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
He didn't have any reason for living. Why shouldn't he
give me the house? Why shouldn't I have his money?
I was nice to him, I cooked for him, wanted
to take care of him.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
He just wouldn't wanna live anymore.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
That's all, alright, Jillie, Oh, you can't hold it up.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
You wanna tell this man needed a woman? Anybody could
tell that he needed me.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
He got a long sign chest in me. I offered
to marry him, and he wouldn't do it. And what
he could do was think about his wife.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
She was dead.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
He'd sit around and talk about her all the time.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
You killed him. How what you're trying to say?
Speaker 4 (27:37):
He wanted to marry Chester and take care of him,
he wouldn't do it. He had an argument in the
kitchen one night, I had a gun and I killed him.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
I killed him. Is that where you buried him in
the green house?
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Yes, I buried him deep the gun too. He'll be
all right, poor Chester. Yeah, he was so old he
needed a woman, and he would tell.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
You that he needed me.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
I guess you made her mistake.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
No card and he did.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
No, he didn't want me.
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It was Wednesday, February sixth, was cold in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 3 (02:36):
My name is Friday.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
I was on the way back from the Record Bureau
and it was eleven eighteen am when I got to
Room forty two Homicide.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yo.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Hi to show up?
Speaker 6 (02:46):
You yeah, a couple of minutes ago. She's waiting for
us now in the next room.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Or did you talk to her all?
Speaker 7 (02:50):
No?
Speaker 6 (02:50):
It seems to be a nice enough woman. I don't
know how much help she's going to be. Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, Spain,
I'd like to have you meet my partner, Sergeant Friday.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Joe.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
This is Miss Bannders.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Hello.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I'm sorry I wasn't home when you stopped by yesterday's sergeant.
I got the card you left, though, I sawed him
as soon as I got home.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Well, thanks for coming in with Spanner. We have a
few questions we'd like to ask. You won't take very long, and.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
We have a communication from a Laddice Delan back in
New York. Miss Spani's about her brother, A Chester Dylon.
We understand you rented his home from him out of
Northton Avenue, mister Dylan.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Well, yes, I've got a two year lease on the house.
I rented it from him last November.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Well, according to the letter we got from mister Dylon's sisters,
she's worried about him. She hasn't heard from him in
some time. You any idea where we could contact him?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Well, the last I heard he left on a trip
to New York. That was about eight weeks ago. I'd
say you see, I usually sent a check for the
rent the apartment he had to hear and when he
left on his trip, he told me to hold on
to the rent checks and he'd collect him when he
got back.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
How long did he saved be gone.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I don't remember, definitely. I think he said four or
five months.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
He didn't leave any forwarding address, any place you could
contact him back.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
He's no, he didn't. He just wanted to get away,
didn't want to be bothered with anyone. He wasn't feeling
very well. He's very depressed, poor man.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Well why was that, ma'am?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Do you know his wife died just a few months ago?
Speaker 6 (04:03):
You know, no, ma'am, we didn't know. All we got
from his sister was that she hadn't heard from Dylan.
She was worrying. She didn't give us any other information.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Yes, missus, Dylan died and last September, I think it
was before. A man felt terrible about it, couldn't seem
to get over it. That's why he rented the house
to me. Reminded him too much of her. Yes, my
lovely home they have. Mister Dolan said he really didn't
want to rent it, but he couldn't stand being alone
in the house.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
It was a large place, you know, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
We checked with the people living in the house. Now
we understand you leased the place to them last month.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
I sub leased it, yes, you see, it just got
too big for me. It was nice at first, but
it got to be an awful lot of work. I
rented it to this family and took a smaller house
down the street.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Would you happen to know any of mister Dylan's friends
in the city, Miss Banner, anyone we could contact who
might know where we'dn' locat him.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
He didn't seem to have any friends, see, and his
wife had only been in the city a year before
she died.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
He was retired, you know, yes, ma'am. We talked to
some of the neighbors out there. They couldn't tell us
much about him.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Maybe some of the people he did business with might
know something. If he tried the neighborhood bank out there.
I know that's where mister Dillon had his account. No, man,
we have his yet, We right and give you the
bank's address.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
It's about all.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Though, and that's the Army contact, you know.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I'm afraid so, yes, I didn't know much about mister
Dillon's private affairs. Whenever I talked to him, it seemed
the only thing he had on his mind was his
wife's death.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
Just couldn't seem to get over it.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Seemed like he didn't want to get over it.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
You mentioned that when you leased his home, mister Dylan
took an apartment. Do you happen to have that address? Mispan?
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Well, I don't have it with me now, but I
have it at home. Mightn't call in and give it
to you.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
If you like?
Speaker 6 (05:34):
If you wouldn't, please, certainly, well, thank you very much,
Miss Banner. You have a card, and when you hear
anything at all from mister Dillnan, we'd appreciate a good car.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
And surely I'll call you right away. Do you think
something could have happened to him?
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Well as possible, We don't know. All we have is
a letter from his sister.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Does seem kind of strange, doesn't it. It wasn't feeling
too well. I wondered why he hadn't contacted me about
sending the rent money to him. He's such a nice man,
mister Dylan. I certainly hope nothing's.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Happened to him.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Say it was very depressed about his wife's death.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Ma'am.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Would you say that it was getting to be a
little abnormal with him?
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Maybe?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Well, I wouldn't know about that, sergeant, but I didn't know.
He brooded about it all the time, he felt that
he'd lost everything, didn't seem to want to go on.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Did he ever give an indication that maybe he might
take his own life? I mean, all this brooding over
his wife.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Well, no, nothing definite, just depressed and moody all the time. Oh,
now that I remember it, the last time I saw him,
he did say something kind of funny.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
That's mama was.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
That was the day before he left. We were talking
about the rent money and I asked him if I
couldn't send it to him. He got kind of a
strange look on his face. Yeah, he said, where I'm going,
I won't need the money.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
The day before we called on Lucille Banner for an interview,
a letter had been received from a Miss Gladys Dyllon
in Elmira, New York. The request was routine. It was
one of thousands of similar letters received every year by
police departments all over the country. Each one of them
has to be worked out to the satisfaction of all parties.
Concerned the person who's reported missing in the person looking
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for them. It's an enormous job, requiring thousands of man
hours annually. Like the dozens of other investigations handled by
the police officers, some of the men happily, some of
them in tragedy. Whatever the result, the finding of a
lost person is just as important to function of your
local police department as any other investigation. Gladys Dylan hadn't
heard from her brother recently. She was worried about him.
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She asked us to investigate. Our initial interview with Lucille Banner,
the woman who'd rented Chester Dillon's home, failed to yield
much of a lead as to us whereabouts. The only
source of additional information she could offer was the neighborhood
bank where Dylan had his account. One o'clock that afternoon,
Ben and I drove out to interview the manager of
the bank, a mister Harrison.
Speaker 8 (07:44):
Yes, that's right, mister Dylan had his account with us
ever since he came to Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I know in fact, Well, is it's something he'd like
to know about it?
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Yes, and there is. We had a request from his
sister in New York. She'd like to look in now.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I'm pretty sure is the count is still open here?
Speaker 8 (07:57):
Matter of fact, I'm positivity when I'll have one of
the quirks getting spot.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
That reminds me I almost forgot. I think, what's that?
I got to get to the bank tomorrow, for sure,
famed all my cars. The day passed you already when
he got two Maymans left, Oh well, you were doing fine.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
I got another eight months ago.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Not so fine. Two more payments to go, and now
the wife wants to knew and never played here. We
are outside of him, just as I thought.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Mister Gillin's account is still open for her.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
There been any recent deposits or withdrawals on the account?
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Severn much us? Uh huh, just cause I thought nothing
since he left on his trip.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That last withdrawal date was November twenty seventh.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
He mentioned to you that he was going on a trip,
did he Yes?
Speaker 8 (08:39):
I think he said he was going back to New York,
more or less a vacation trip to see his wife
died recently. He didn't take it too well.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Yes, we understand. Did he leave any instructions about his
account with you?
Speaker 6 (08:49):
Mister Harrison?
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Any address you could contact him out if you had
to know.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
He didn't leave any instructions with me, no address, just
a vacation trip. He said he didn't expect to be
gone too long, cause he.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Mentioned it would be five or six weeks.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
I think that's what he said.
Speaker 8 (09:03):
I happened to talk to him about it because at
the time he made it quite a sizeable withdrawal.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
I thought maybe he was a little unhappy with our service.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
How much was it withdrawal?
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Sir?
Speaker 8 (09:12):
See here it is November twenty seventh. He withdrew twenty
four hundred dollars.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Was that in cash or in traveler's checks?
Speaker 7 (09:20):
You know?
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Show us here that it was in cash. Mister Harrison,
you said a minute ago that you knew miss didn't
pretty well.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
He used to stop and chat with me whenever he'd
come in the bank. That was usually once a week.
I didn't know him socially, though, huh. And you mentioned
he seemed to take his wife's death pretty hard. What
would you say his mental condition was last time?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
So all right?
Speaker 8 (09:42):
I'd say just after his wife's death, he wasn't in
very good shape, broodered about it quite a bit, and
he began to pull out of it. Seemed to be
a fairly good friend of mine, planned his vacation, he
was looking forward to it, And I see, why do.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
You ask something wrong?
Speaker 6 (09:57):
No, sir, not that we know of. Routine check that's
about uh.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Does Dylan have any other real estate besides the house
or Royal Sla Avenue? Would you have to know that?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Not?
Speaker 8 (10:06):
To my knowledge, No, he has no other business connections
in Los Angeles. Here are all his references right here and.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Seen.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
Most of them are charge accounts and so forth. I
remember the time he opened his account with us.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
He told me he was retired. He and his wife
came out here for their health. They have any relatives
out here? Do you know, Metarian?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
No? From what I understand, both of their families are
in the East.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
You don't have any children, according to his application, very
few relatives.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
And since Dylan was in here last November to make
that withdraw, you've had no communications from him at all?
Speaker 6 (10:38):
No, sir, I haven't what seemed to be the trouble.
Do you have an idea something might be wrong? M
nothing definite, No, sir. We've been told about his feeling
depressed over his wife's death, and there was some indication
he might possibly have done away with himself after what
you have told. This doesn't seem too like him.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
I wouldn't like to commit myself as I say. He
didn't seem to be getting over it. I didn't know
him that way.
Speaker 8 (11:00):
Well, it might be entirely consiment. He was devoted to
Missus Hillon. Maybe he could have picked his own life.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Leaves a big question answered, an't it?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Let's say, why do you.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Need the twenty four hundred dollars to do it? One
twenty five pm, we continued interviewing the bank manager, mister Harrison,
but he was unable to come up with any further leaves.
Before we left the bank, he gave us a complete
list of all of Chester Dillon's references. We gave him
our card and he told us he would pass along
immediately any information he might get on the whereabouts of
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mister Dylan. One we went back to the office where
we got a call from Lucille Banner. She gave us
Dylan's last known address and we drove out to check.
It was an apartment court in the Pico Crenshaw area.
We talked to the manager and she told us that
Dylan had moved out three months before. On November twenty second.
He told her that he was moving in with a
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close friend of his, and he gave her his forwarding address.
It turned out to be a single story framed cottage
located in one of the older residential districts of the city.
The name on the mail box read Raymond L. Shafer.
We rang the bell, and a man who identified himself
as Raymond Shafer untured us into a small living room.
He told us that he was from the same town
in the east that the Dylans came from, and that
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he was a longtime friend of theirs. No, I haven't
seen Chester for months. Last November I think it was
that was the last time I saw him.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
You say at that time, Dylan was living in the
apartment down in the friend Show areas.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
You mean he never came here to live with you.
Speaker 9 (12:25):
No, it's just like I told you before. He talked
about moving in here with me, but he never did.
Haven't any idea where he is.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Well, he gave you a name here as a forwarding address, Shaffer.
Have you been getting his mail?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, a matter of fact, I have. He told me
he was going to do that.
Speaker 9 (12:38):
Never came to pick it up, though, seemed funny to me.
You're still getting his man here is r Yeah, it's
still coming. Not much of it, maybe a letter a week,
mostly bills and advertising.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
This list of names you've given us, sir, these are
all the people in the East. Mister Dylon was acquainted
with people in might contact on his trip back there.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Er, that's all far as I know.
Speaker 9 (12:55):
He hadn't been back there yet, though, How do you
know that I've got a letter from my.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Sister gerdak with days ago.
Speaker 9 (13:00):
If Chester was in town, great would have known about it.
He would have been sure to stop buy and see it.
I wish I could help you tell you the truth
and get a little worried about him myself. Well, you
just had one more question, mister Shaever, you even know
if mister Dylan was in the habit of carrying large
sums of money around with him.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Chester was pretty cautious that way.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
It wasn't too free with.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
A dollar, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Would you'd happen to know if he had a large
sum of money with him the last time you saw him. No,
if he did it, he didn't mention it.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
I see you can't think of anything else that might
give us a leader on mister Dinlon's worry about anything
at all.
Speaker 9 (13:31):
I think I've told you everything. I wish it was
something I could tell you that it helped.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I sure hope nothing's happened to.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Him, Yes, sir, And would you mind showing this that
mayl you're owning for dinner free?
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Oh sure, sir. He's right over here in the desk.
There you are.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
That's all.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
I thank you.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
Anything, Joe, No, not much.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Build circulars. There's one with a New York postmark, tell
my uh, probably from his sister. It's another one only
three days old from the Union Department store. A couple
more earlier dates on it. That's about it.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Yeah, I'll copy it down and return addresses on fine,
mister Shaffer. Yeah, this suitcase with a desk here in
National was on a cold Yeah CLD.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Is that your bag?
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Shafer?
Speaker 9 (14:22):
Oh no, I forgot to tell you chest to left
that here one day.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
How was that?
Speaker 9 (14:26):
Well, that was one day just before he was gonna
leave on his vacation, and he brought over here and
said he'd like to leave it with me.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Forgot to mention it today. D you bring anything else
with him?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:35):
He brought another.
Speaker 9 (14:36):
Suitcase with him, just like this one I got in
the other room. He said he wanted to leave him
here while he was on his vacation.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I'm sorry I forgot to mention it, or maybe you
forgot something else, Shaper? What most people take their suitcases
on a trip, don't they? Mm two thirty pm, we
continued questioning Raymond Shaffer. We opened the two suitcases labeled
with the initials of Chester Dylan and found him a
certain The personal items which Shaffer told us belonged to
Dylan and his late wife small pictures, cigarette boxes, books,
(15:06):
similar articles, which apparently would not be taken on a
vacation trip. None of them were of any great value.
After we left Shaffer's home, we checked him to R
and I and found he had no criminal records. We
checked further with friends and acquaintances of both men and
found nothing to indicate that Shafer was in any way
involved in the disappearance of Chester Dylon. Three point thirty PM,
(15:26):
we called the office and found that there's been no
answer so far to the broadcast and missing person's bullets
that we'd gotten out on Dylan. We started checking your
references given us by the bank. First was the Union
Department store was located on Main Street in the south
end of town. We checked with a credit department to
see what information we could get from them.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Yes, moved the fire on the Dylan's right here Chester Ellen,
Sar Jay on Ruston Avenue, ma'am, that's one. What information
would you like, sir?
Speaker 5 (15:55):
We're trying to locate mister Dylon, ma'am. If you had
any recent change of address on that account.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
No, what happened if they moved, you know, well we
believe so.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
We don't know his present adress. All.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
We do have an outstanding bill of theirs. I noticed
them several form letters. Have been trying to contact them ourselves.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Have there been any recent charges on that account?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
You know, let's see, nothing too recent. No, last charge
was made on December fifth, Yes, Thursday's December fifth.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
That's a couple of weeks after we disappeared. You.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Yeah, what was that charge for? Man? What did mister
Dylan buy?
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Oh, mister Dylan didn't buy anything. The slip was signed
by missus Dylon.
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Speaker 5 (18:08):
Four fifteen pm, Thursday February seven, as soon as the
clerk in the credit department at the Union department store
showed us the sales slip with the late missus Sarah
Dillon signature on it. We had the data on the
sales slip double checked immediately. The data shown on the
slip was correct beyond any doubt December fifth, That was
a little more than two and a half months after
Sarah Dillon had died. Who the person was who forged
(18:31):
her signature, of why they'd forged it, we had no idea.
The amount of the charge purchases shown on the sales
slip was for four hundred and eighteen dollars, all of
it for women's clothing. We attempted to check with the
salesgirl who handle the purchase, a Laura van Kirk, but
we were told it was her day off. We called
her home. They told us that she was gone for
the day and couldn't be located. They said she'd be
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at work the following morning four forty pm. Then and
I took the sales slip with a forged signature on
it and drove back to the office. We went direct
the forgery detail, briefed them on our findings and gave
them the sales slip. Then we drove back to the
home of the Dylan's friend Raymond Shaefer, and checked through
the two suitcases. There we came up with a small
photo of missus Dillon, along with exemplars of her handwriting
(19:13):
as well as her husbands, which we found in an
autograph album in one of the suitcases. The handwriting samples
were checked against the signature on the sales slip, but
neither of them matched. The work of compiling a list
of all known female forgery suspects was begun immediately the
following morning. Then and I went back to the Union
Department store, where we interviewed the salesgirl, Laura van Kirk,
(19:33):
who'd handle the purchase.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
Yes, I remember making the sale officer. I'm not too
sure about the woman who brought the things though, I
mean what she looked like?
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Well, could you try to describe her forces then, Kirks
as well as you can remember.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
She had light round here. I'm pretty sure that not
too old, maybe in her late thirties early forties. She
was a plain looking woman, five foot five or six then,
as I remember, she wore glasses. I remember for that too.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Let me see you got that picture of miss delamare.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Ben uh oh yeah, yeah, here you are Would you
take a look at this picture, miss Now, does that
look like the woman you waited on?
Speaker 7 (20:12):
No, No, that's not her. The woman I waited on
was much younger. She had light brown hair too, not gray.
Uh huh, thin and taste, I think. And she wore glasses.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
I'm sure that you remember if there was a man
with her, Miss van Kirk, or was she alone?
Speaker 7 (20:27):
No, she was alone, now that I remember. There was
something very different about the glasses she wore. I don't
know if that's.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Important or not.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
What about her glasses?
Speaker 7 (20:36):
There were horn rimmed, as I remember, very light colored,
and there was a metalwork along the top edge of
the frame, very smart looking gold metal along the top.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Light brown hair, slight bill, thin face. Late thirties and
early forties were light horn rimmed glasses and gold metal
on the frame.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Shaking me if I'm wrong. Joe had description done for
many just without I was thinking on rim glasses, metal work.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
On a woman who came to see us at the
other Yeah, you got it, Lucille Banner. Then and I
went back to the office and had Lucille Banner checked
through R and I. She had no criminal record. Then
we drove to the home on Ralston Avenue, which Chester
Dillon had leased to Lucille Banner and which she in
turn had sub left. We obtained a copy of the
lease which the Banner woman had with the current tenants
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and which bought her signature. We brought the copy of
the lease downtown, gave it to Don Meyer and Handwriting,
and asked him to compare Lucille Banner's signature with the
signature on the sale slip that we'd obtained from the
Union Department store. Fifteen minutes later, he called us at
the office with a result.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Yeah done, that's so all right, thanks Love.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
What do you get?
Speaker 6 (21:45):
Says there's no question in his mind, Yeah, both signatures
match perfectly. What the reason was behind.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Lucille Banner was forging the signature of missus Dyllan on
the sales slip, We didn't know whether or not it
had any connection with the disappearance of Chester Dylon. We
didn't know. As soon as we got the handwriting report
from Don Meyer, Ben and I left the office immediately
and drove to the bungalow which the Banner woman was
unting on Rawlston Avenue. It was a block down the
street from the Dylan house. Lucille Banner wasn't at home,
(22:15):
but a neighborhood gardener trimming the lawn in front of
her house told us that she was expected back shortly.
The gardener, who identified himself only as Julio, volunteered that
he also did gardening work for Miss Banner when she
occupied the Dylan home. He'd also worked for the Dylons
when they lived in the house. He told us he
liked the Dylans quite a bit, but he didn't have
much use for Miss Banner. He seemed to be up
(22:37):
on all the news in the neighborhood. He trimmed the
hedges of the lawn with hand shears as we talked
to him.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Can you tell us anything about Miss Dylan and Miss Banner, Julia?
How'd they say him get along?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
You know?
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Did they get along all right?
Speaker 9 (22:50):
I guess when I worked at the big house down
Debt Form Miss Banner, that's before she moved. I would
see mister Dillon there. He would be at the house
maybe once two times a week.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
This Kanna would ask us.
Speaker 9 (22:59):
To come over.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Took inter for this.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Banner liked him. Might think mister Dylan, I don't know
about him. He wasn't feelings so good? Still thinking about
his wife head.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I finish up this clipping. Now there all done. You
mentioned you don't like miss Banner very much, Julia? Why
is that? She ever give you a reason? Nothing like her?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
And she said a little crazy.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
I think a funny woman. When I used to work
at the Big House for her in the garden, she
would watch me all the time, follow me all around,
tell me to do all kind of crazy jobs.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
She can be good play though, so.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
I do the hone you mean, Julia, what kind of crazy? Joe?
Speaker 9 (23:31):
The compost box for fertilizer. You know, she wanted me
to build one for her in the backyard. That was
down the street at the Dylan House. Crazy woman, she
wanted me to build a compost box in the greenhouse.
I'm a special place mark for whoever heard of that?
To build a compost box inside the greenhouse?
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Crazy? What did you build it for?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Is?
Speaker 9 (23:47):
But not inside the greenhouse. I built it outside, right
next door to the greenhouse. When she come out, I
saw she go crazy, almost call me names crazy. She
made me tear it up. Then she made me build
the inside the greenhouse right on the place she.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Had mark for it don't queer?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
And when did all this happened?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Julia?
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Do you remember when you built the compost box?
Speaker 9 (24:03):
I mean a couple of months ago about that. It
was just after mister Dillon went away. I tried to
tell him as Banner, who ever heard of a compost
box in a great hoouse?
Speaker 5 (24:10):
She wouldn't listen. She had to have it build at
a certain.
Speaker 9 (24:13):
Place, right in the greenhouse. Little piece of ground in there.
The box had to go right on top of her her.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
You figure she acted pretty strange about it. Do you
think she had something in there?
Speaker 9 (24:21):
Little piece of ground?
Speaker 6 (24:22):
You think she had something to hide?
Speaker 5 (24:27):
One fifteen pm, Lucille Banner returned home and Ben and
I went inside the house Winner, where we questioned her
in the living room. Outside in the front yard, the
gardener Julio continued working on the lawn. Lucille Banner was
calm and composed. We questioned her about the forged signature
on the sales slip. She would admit nothing.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
The whole thing's too silly. You'd even comment on I
don't know what you're talking about touching.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
We think you do, Miss Banner. A handwriting man's checked
the two signatures went on the sail slip and one
on the lease.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
They both matched.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
They were written with the same person.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
There's no doubt about it and checked herls know what
about it, Miss Banner? There's no way out of it.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
You ought to know that, all right, that's all.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I keep on denying it. I wasn't in that story,
and I didn't forge any signatures. Why would I do
a thing like that? What kind of a woman do
you think I am?
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Well, we know where the facts, ma'am. Now, why don't
you give us a straight story. It's gonna save time
and trouble for everybody concerns.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
You've heard everything you've got to say. This thing's ridiculous,
it's stupid.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
I'm not answering any more questions. You wanna get your
head and coat.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Miss Banner.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
I'm fraid you have to come downtown with her?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
What good's that going to do. I'll just keep on
denying if you can't make me sayd of a thing
like that.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
I wanna get your coke?
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Please?
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Right here?
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Alright, yes, ma'am, cars right out in front. Hold it
a minute when you're bad, m you know, okay, Julia?
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Yes, a minute?
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Sure, all Miss Bonner?
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Liam say, I'd like to ask you of you, Julia,
you got a couple of minutes to spare.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah, you want something?
Speaker 5 (25:50):
We wanna take a look in the backyard of the
house down the street, mister Dylan's house. Like, have you
come along with it? Julia won't take very long? Sure, okay,
I'll come along. Bring a shovel along when you're Julio
check something? Yeah, okay, I bring one.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Alright, alright, miss Bani.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
What's it's about?
Speaker 4 (26:05):
What are you trying to do something?
Speaker 5 (26:07):
We wanna check in the Dollon's backyard. It won't say far.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
What would it have to do with me? I don't
have anything to do with that house.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
I don't even live there anymore. You realize that, don't Yes, ma'am,
we realize it. I'll call my lawyer. I'll call him
as soon as I get to a phone.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
That's right, Jill, back this way.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
So I just threw the gate.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
H What are you trying to do to me?
Speaker 6 (26:31):
You know I don't live here anymore.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I don't even have anything to do with this place.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
You did live here, ma'am. You lived here when missed
the dinner disappeared? Isn't none right?
Speaker 4 (26:38):
What are you trying to say. You've got no business
on this property. You've got no business here at all.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Yes, ma'am, we have what did you kill? Jess the dinner?
Did you kill him?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
It's been.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Right, Julia. The compost box in the greenhouse. Do you
wanna start digging?
Speaker 9 (26:54):
Is the compost box?
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
He was an old man, so old, he was sick man.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
He didn't wanna live anymore.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
He didn't have any reason for living. Why shouldn't he
give me the house? Why shouldn't I have his money?
I was nice to him, I cooked for him, wanted
to take care of him.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
He just wouldn't wanna live anymore.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
That's all, alright, Jillie, Oh, you can't hold it up.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
You wanna tell this man needed a woman? Anybody could
tell that he needed me.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
He got a long sign chest in me. I offered
to marry him, and he wouldn't do it. And what
he could do was think about his wife.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
She was dead.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
He'd sit around and talk about her all the time.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
You killed him. How what you're trying to say?
Speaker 4 (27:37):
He wanted to marry Chester and take care of him,
he wouldn't do it. He had an argument in the
kitchen one night, I had a gun and I killed him.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
I killed him. Is that where you buried him in
the green house?
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Yes, I buried him deep the gun too. He'll be
all right, poor Chester. Yeah, he was so old he
needed a woman, and he would tell.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
You that he needed me.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
I guess you made her mistake.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
No card and he did.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
No, he didn't want me.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
The story you have just heard was true.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
The names were changed to protect the innocent.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
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On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!