June 5, 2025 • 42 mins
In this deep dive, we explore the multifaceted world of journaling - far beyond the stereotypical "Dear Diary" entries of childhood. From dream journals that capture our subconscious wanderings to gratitude lists that train our brains toward positivity, writing creates space for reflection in our busy lives.
We share our personal journeys with writing - including one host's creative approach of processing real-life experiences through fictional characters and another's ritual of ceremonially burning journal pages after writing down difficult emotions. This conversation reveals how different approaches to journaling can serve different needs, and how finding your personal style is key to making the practice sustainable.
The episode examines historical examples of meaningful journals, including Anne Frank's diary and the expedition records of Lewis and Clark, demonstrating how personal documentation can become historically significant. We also discuss the science behind why writing helps organize scattered thoughts, providing mental clarity when we feel pulled in multiple directions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey beautiful souls, welcome back to Family Therapy's
Deep Dive.
Today we'll be talking aboutjournaling and the importance of
writing things down, so take myhand and let's go.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Okay, cool.
Well, here we are back to DeepDive episode.
Premium episode how excitinghow exciting.
We are back again, back again.
I love it.
I like doing this I do too Ilike diving into topics, you
know they that interest us.
They're fun, yeah, yeah andit's fun to talk about it and
that's why we're here.
That's why we did a podcast,obviously.
Yeah, you're present, I'mpresent, let's go.
(00:40):
Today we're deep diving intojournaling.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Right.
So what is journaling to youMean?
To you or not to you?
Actually, what is journaling?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I think it has a broad definition.
I mean to me, I would guess Iwould say I mean when you think
of journaling, you think of,like, keeping a diary.
I mean that's what my head goesto first thing.
Diary, I mean that's what myhead goes to first thing.
Uh, second my.
My mind goes to the cartoondoug, because he used to journal
a lot.
Do you remember doug from?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
nickelodeon.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I remember his dear journal, dear journal, um, but
yeah, that's what I would thinkof a lot when I when I hear the
word journaling is like a diary,yeah, yeah, what comes to your
head when you um?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
to me, journaling is like a diary, yeah, yeah, what
comes to your head when you um?
To me, journaling just means,you know, just writing down your
thoughts.
And uh, just writing down yourthoughts.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Basically, you know, I of course we're going to go
more in depth, um, but before Iknew anything about journaling,
it's just, uh, since I was a, akid diary like that's my go-to,
but um, as you get older, it'sjust, you know, writing down
what, whatever because I feellike a diary is like you take
(01:55):
the time, sometimes every day,to sit and write about your day,
or write about, just write.
You know, some people haveprompts or some people have, or
just some people, not myself.
I couldn't just sit there andwrite my day.
I'm not a journaling diaryperson.
I don't write my thoughts down.
I think it's a little it'sscary.
(02:16):
It's scary because I, you know,I don't want people to find my,
my diary or my journal, right,yeah, it isn.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
It is scary.
Isn't that a fear of yours?
It is, don't you think?
Like I don't want that.
That's why, so, when I was akid, I had a journal and I had
like a little lock on it and Iwould write down my day or how,
whatever I was feeling, whateveremotion I was going through
that day, yeah, and I had alittle lock.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I mean it's not very safe.
Yeah, I'm sure it was a toy.
It was a toy lock, I'm sure.
I'm pretty sure if I wanted toget into your diary.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I could have just absolutely no problem.
Yeah, snap it open but as achild that was yeah, as a child
it's like top secret safe, yes,yeah I mean I guess it shouldn't
be a fear, but it it is To me,it is personally, because I just
don't want, like, if I'm goingto go deep into myself and write
(03:12):
down like I don't feel like Iwould want somebody to read that
To find it.
Maybe after I'm dead.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Perhaps, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Perhaps, but not like oh it's exposing, yeah, it's
exposing I.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
It's exposing.
I wouldn't do it, yeah, butthen I guess it comes down to
like what you want to write down.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
But then if I'm genuinely trying to seek like
help or like trying to likewrite my frustrations out
because I really need it, Iwould want to write down what's
bothering me right, right, likethe deepest stuff.
Would want to write down what'sbothering me right, right, like
the deepest stuff.
So it's like moderate yourselfkind of seems a little bit, I
don't know, not fun, I guessyeah to moderate yourself.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, you should have no limit or no, like you should
be able to just write yourwrite whatever you want to write
without any fear, without anyanything, any type of negative
emotion, I guess yeah, youshould, but I, but I don't yeah
obviously I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
That's why I don't keep a diary or a journal.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
That's why I don't what do you think the benefits
are of journaling?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
it really helps you like get your thoughts together,
get your thoughts straight andkind of just clarify your mind a
bit, because to write aboutyour problems or write about
your stressful day it kind ofgives you some insight, it kind
of gives you some like it justorganizes your thoughts.
I guess Writing aboutexperiences it brings clarity
(04:38):
and perspective to complexsituations, understanding
thoughts, feelings and behavior.
But, like I said, I don'tjournal.
Like I said, I don't journallike that, I don't journal about
my day.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, so do you journal like I know the benefits
of journaling are to likerelieve stress, um, it could be
a form of therapy.
It, like we mentioned, um game,clarity, focus, maybe
self-awareness you can alsoreflect so.
I think that's a lot of goodbenefits that come from a
journal yeah, exactly becauseyou're writing about your
(05:10):
experiences and it gives youthat like, like I said that, uh,
that perspective, I guess yeahbut yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Um, but about some other types of journals.
Do you like keep like a dreamjournal or anything like?
Have you heard of anythingabout that?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
um, no, I I mean, I not know, but I have heard of a
dream journal.
Um, I actually know somebodythat keeps track of their, their
dreams, and uh, they do itbecause they lucid dream and so
to get to that next um level,lucid dreaming, I guess you
(05:46):
write down your dreams, whatyour experiences are, and yeah,
it's pretty interesting, I neverdid a dream journal, just
because I don't know.
Some of my dreams are just wild, like yeah, mine aren't worth
writing down.
Yeah mine aren't worth writingdown like, yeah, mine aren't
worth writing down.
(06:06):
Yeah, mine aren't worth writingdown.
Well, mine just are.
Just, I mean, we'll have todefinitely uh speak of we'll.
We'll have to do a podcast ondreams because my dreams are
like intense, like I had one theother day.
We're just like, yeah, butwe're not talking about dreams,
we'll uh focus back tojournaling.
Um, um, but, yeah, dreamjournals.
There's um a fitness journal.
(06:27):
I do keep a fitness journal.
Um, yeah, so now that I'vestarted going back to the gym, I
write down like my daily, likegoals or what I've done, and
then I just keep increasing aswe go, or you know, just see
where I'm at.
Yeah, so that that's a good one.
Um, what else?
(06:49):
What other type of journaling Iwould think like?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
um self-improvement types of journaling like dream
journals.
Uh, there's travel journalsthat people sometimes keep, um,
and another one that I want todeep dive into is gratitude
journals.
But as far as diaries, I don'tkeep a diary or a journal like
that.
I don't keep any kind offitness journal either, nor a
dream journal either.
I don't think that stuff isworth my time to be writing
(07:15):
things down, and that's just me.
Just because I have a busy dayand I do do a lot of writing, I
have notebooks upon notebooks,but that's because I do a lot of
story writing or like planning,I guess.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I'm saying, but I do love to write.
But here's my question to you,erica Do you keep a journal or
what kind of writing do you do?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Do you do any kind of writing at all?
So I do not.
I used to keep a journal.
I do not.
I used to keep a journal, but Iwould write in it daily or
whenever I was going throughlike a really dark time, like
when I was in a really darkplace.
It helped me clear my mind andmy thoughts.
So I would write it, writeeverything down that I was going
(08:00):
through, but I wouldn't keep it.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I would write it down and then I'd read it and then
I'd burn it.
That reminds me of have youever heard of the zozobra in new
mexico?
Yeah have you been there?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
um no, I have not and it's so sad me too.
We were supposed to go lastyear and we didn't.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
But but don't they put their like like wishes in
there or like their whateverthey want to burn away?
Right mantras or whatever, andthey burn it away.
Isn't that how it works?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
yeah, that's how it works, yeah yeah, um, that's
actually where I learned when Iwas doing um meditation.
Uh, my coach, my meditationcoach mentor, um, they, they
incorporated that um writingthings down and then burning it,
releasing it.
Um another thing, another wayor reason why I do that.
(08:52):
I guess there's a couple ummeditation.
I learned it through them.
Um, and then when I was veryinto like crystals and the moon
and the universe and things likethat, I would do like a cleanse
and uh, and then I just burn,burn it away.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So just, you know, that's, that's pretty much how I
journal yeah, and that's also anew age practice too, like what
about poetry?
Do you like ever like write,like in that kind of sense, like
poetry or stuff like that isthat?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
um, I used to yeah which is crazy.
Yeah, when I was in albuquerque, I would, um, I did get into it
for a little bit, um, but Ireally didn't.
I think I tore all those notesup.
I just, yeah, I just like toburn and tear things I guess why
why I just do oh my goodness Iguess it's my uh way of my, my
(09:44):
form of therapy when it comes tojournaling, writing things down
it's just poetry just way Iyeah it's just where you operate
yes, it's pretty strange, but Idon't know why I I'm like I
don't want to share thosethoughts or whatever with
anybody, even if it's poetry,even if it's something like
amazing I don't and I guess itwas because I was maybe lacking
(10:07):
confidence back then.
Um, but if I were to try it now,I'm pretty sure I'd share,
because I'm more open to sharingand talking.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So it's nice to see what what people come up with
right um, that's why I don'tjournal too.
I don't want to write my stuffdown.
I don't want to have exposemyself like.
I don't want to expose myselflike that.
You know what I'm saying.
I've done enough of it onsocial media, exposing my life
and saying stupid shit.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
So I've done some poetry and it interests me, but
it hasn't really stuck with me,but it helps, it helps.
I remember a few years ago Iwas I don't know what happened
but I was like kind of betrayedby this friend that I had, and I
(10:53):
don't know why, but I wrote it,I wrote it out, or I took it
out on poetry and I still have.
I still have that poem in myGoogle drive somewhere, but that
came out like in a few hours,yeah, like naturally I sat there
and just did it and it feltgood and I thought like, well, I
could probably do this orsomething.
(11:14):
But I was like, no, you know, Ihave better things to write.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah you know, but whatever, but at least you, you
released that you know, I triedit.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I tried it, but I think you should get into the
habit of writing something yeahlike I, I really do.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I want to get back into not just my fitness journal
, but I want to get back into,yeah, my uh like just journaling
in general get something goingright yeah, something going
exactly some kind ofextracurricular self-care thing.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yes, yes, exactly Something that's just for you,
because this podcast for you, Ithink, is extracurricular
already.
Yes, I think you need somethingfor yourself?
Yeah, just to Other than thegym.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, other than the gym, another form of therapy for
me because I deal with a lot ofanxiety.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I just, you know we've talked about it where I'm
just like pulling in differentdirections.
And I just you know we'vetalked about it where I'm just
like pulling in differentdirections.
So I think writing about thatwould actually really help me to
get organized, because I am notorganized.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
And I want to be so it's like you know, I think
journaling would definitely helpme improve those portions or
those parts of my life that arelacking you know my weaknesses.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, try it.
Yeah, try it at least for likea month or so.
Yeah, I will, and then we'llcheck in exactly we're gonna
have to check in for sure I wantto talk about.
I have here some like sometechniques for journaling that
we could share or I could share.
Yeah, I don't journal, I don'twrite poetry, I don't do a dream
(12:54):
journal or a fitness journal.
All my writing goes to storywriting stories, I guess.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Is that fictional?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Fictional stories, yeah, and I have plenty.
I have plenty.
I have a notebook.
I want to.
I have here this notebook here.
I got about I think like threeyears ago and I've been sitting
on a story for since 2020 I'vebeen.
I came up, I had the story ideaand I don't know why I'm
sharing this now, but I guess,guess, I'm just going to do it.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, and I was going to ask you too Do you have a
piece that you can share, just asmall piece that you've wrote,
yes, or written.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, I have this notebook here because I have so
many notebooks.
I have so many notebooks andjournals and I've gotten into
this bad habit where when I havean idea for a certain story, I
write it in whatever notebook Ifind.
And that's a bad idea because Ican't, once I write that idea
down, I kind of forget in whichnotebook it is, and I just don't
(13:56):
find it again until years lateryeah I'm saying, uh, so I've
started the habit of keepingcertain notebooks for certain
ideas.
so, like, this notebook here isjust for the podcast only and
it's already like has all kindof shit in here, like I just
bought this when we started thepodcast and it's already like
all this shit here and it's justlike all my notes.
(14:17):
But I want to show you this onehere.
This one is for a story thatI'm working on that has a lot of
similarities to where we grewup, a lot of characters and
personalities and events thatI've had in my life growing up.
(14:37):
But all of these notes here arejust one story.
They all belong to one story.
Here we have some corrections,ghosts, the ghost inmates.
In the corrections, here's somenotes for myself.
But all of this stuff is justlike all for that one story,
whether it's characterdevelopment, any kind of facts,
(15:00):
any kind of like story.
That's fitting.
You know what I'm saying, butthat's kind of like my.
My advice, I guess, is to justkeep different notebooks and not
not be afraid to just grab them.
I like notebooks, I likejournals, I like keeping them
(15:21):
yeah are you?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
gonna share something from that, a small piece I
could, yeah, why not it?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, it's a subscriber episode, so why not?
Yeah, well, I couldn't sharesomething Just like a?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
small, even if it's just a couple words, sentences.
Just I'm excited, I want toknow.
Just a small like teaser.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Okay, let's see.
So one of the characters isnamed Steven.
He's the main character.
Okay, I don't know what I could.
There's christopher, the bigmurder case.
Cassandra, uh, austin, um, um,let's see, I don't even know
(16:08):
which one of these I could share.
I think these are a lot of like.
Not, it's not like a story,it's just like here.
The tow truck man, anotherimportant character, a man that
owns a tow truck, notfinancially or not friendly, and
could be a potential suspect inthe murder case.
This person is also the manthat Matthew's ex got with
(16:30):
shortly after breaking up withhim.
There is obviously tensionbetween them.
You could only be a jerk andalways getting blamed for when
anything sketchy happens.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
See, that was good, that's all.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
It's you know.
Yeah, so you don't reallyjournal.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I mean you story right pretty much and sometimes
I even like and this is dumblike I would just sit here with
like a notebook and be writingstuff and I could just have the
pen out and then just write downwhat I hear, which is dumb
because that throws me off.
I'm writing my important notesand then I'm hearing the tv.
(17:11):
I'm hearing like family guy andI'm writing down like their
dialogue, just because the actof writing, like just writing
the calligraphy, is just like Ilike to do it oh wow, you know,
I'm saying that's prettyinteresting haven't you ever
found yourself like writing yourname, setting your name over
and over again in a notebook?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
No.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
No, no, you never done that before I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I do not have good penmanship and when I write, my
thoughts are coming out so fastand I'm trying to write them.
My handwriting is sloppy.
Would you be able to understandthis?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
like, yeah, to a certain extent maybe like I
would have to like look at it,pick it up and read it and like
hold it to my face and analyzeit for a bit.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
So it's like when just to sit there and to write
like, like, scribble my name,like maybe I I scribble like
circles or designs or something,but never really my name.
Like maybe I scribble likecircles or designs or something.
Yeah, but never really my name,mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
And when I write, when I was writing in the
journaling or when I wouldjournal, I would take my time
because I was in a like I guessa relaxed it relaxed me, yeah,
so I would at least understandmy writing to yeah better, you
know, but I just don't havereally good penmanship and I
don't like to see my hand, myhandwriting down on piece of
(18:38):
paper because I'm just like, oh,it's so ugly it's a little
embarrassing when you like, whenyou're out of work and somebody
asks you to like writesomething down, and you give
back to them, you and they'relike what, what is what?
What does this say?
What is that?
What is?
Is that a D?
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I was like oh yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Sorry, I I don't know how to write.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I just don't take my time when it comes to writing.
I mean, it's because I think Ifeel rushed, um, but if I'm not
rushed then I'll definitely, youknow, right, of course.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So again, I don't want to contradict myself yeah,
and I think that there isanother benefit to like writing
because it really bring it,calms you down.
You know I'm saying it justmakes you slow down right and
that's the thing about writing,because if you're sitting there
writing and you find that yourpenmanship or your your
(19:26):
scribbling is getting kind ofcrazy, I think that's a sign of
like, just like, okay, likethings are going a lot in your
head.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And I think writing is one of those um, you just
have to be in a calm place towrite things down.
You know what I'm saying.
Like you have to just be in ain a calm state in that state.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, and that's what I was going to ask too, like by
writing your stories.
How has that helped you,because it's not necessarily
journaling, but how does thathelp you?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
It helps me believing or it helps me knowing, I guess
, to just know what's right andwhat's wrong, I guess, because
when it comes to a story likewhenever I think of a situation
or a conflict in my head and itusually comes from something
(20:17):
that I've been through in mylifetime or something that I've
witnessed it just makes mewonder how I could have handled
it or how I did handle it andhow would these characters
handle it.
Oh, I'm saying how and whatthey would say and what they
would do and what the personwould say.
You know what I'm saying.
(20:37):
So it gets me into that statelike, okay, well, what if this
happened?
What if this happened?
And it comes from like, like,like, like I said, like real
life situations, and I come upwith some story bits where a
character not from my story, butI've come up with one, or I
(20:58):
thought of one in the past fewmonths from staying here, and it
would be like I don't know,like a horror story, I guess,
whatever.
But what if a character wasstaying in somebody's house like
I am now?
And what if the people thatlive here, like you, would like
just have me do like crazythings, kind of like I don't
(21:20):
know like what if erica wouldcome up here and be like warren?
uh, we need you to like um, notsleep here for the next couple
two weeks because whatever,whatever we have family coming,
yeah, or for some stupid yeahlike because we're gonna have,
um the neighbors dogs coming inand they need a place to stay
and we can't have five dogs inthe house, so we're gonna use
(21:40):
that bedroom for all five dogsyeah, see that's crazy, that
that would be absurd yes, okay,that makes sense More of like
better than the noise.
Yeah, exactly, yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
But it's just you trying to express yourself.
I understand, but that was abetter example.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, so hey, you know you can't stay here,
because you know we're watchingfive monkeys, two dogs yeah,
exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And they're going to use your room room.
Yeah, so that would be insane.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, so stuff like that, you know, the way you
journal, is very interestingbecause it's like your
imagination is, you know, isdeep, you know, and it's.
It's pretty cool that you havethat perspective, because I
would have never have thought ofthat ever.
Like, okay, I'm gonna write myday or experiences, but in a
story form right with made-upcharacters.
(22:37):
I don't know why, I would havenever thought that.
But again, that's storytelling,right?
That's how you do it.
It's like real life scenarios.
Maybe some are fabricated alittle bit, um, but yeah.
So when it comes to me and whenI'm journaling and I want to
start journaling, um, I'm justgoing to talk about, probably
(22:57):
you know my day, what'supsetting, um, how I can be
better, things like that.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah, um, just to help me just get in a better
place, I think, yeah, for me, mymain goal right now, what I'm
working on, is being organizedyeah, like if something like
stressed you out that day orsomething bothered you, an
argument, you know you can justwrite, write, write, write about
that, not even like in thestory sense, like you, just from
(23:26):
your perspective exactly or ina form of a poem, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Anyhow anyway.
That's pretty neat and I thinkthat's what grounds you from
taking you from that crazinessin your head to sit down and
actually think and use yourcreative muscles to like how
would you write this out in ajournal, in a story, in a poem,
or is it even worth writingabout?
You know what I'm saying?
(23:50):
Because I don't don't likewrite everything like that.
I just write it if it's like oh, that's a good like little
premise there, I'm gonna writethat in whichever journal it
that scenario fits in, because Ikeep two.
Right now I have this story andthen I have another shorter
story which is a more moresincere, more family, more
sibling, love kind of a story.
Yeah, uh, what other kind ofjournaling can we talk about?
(24:14):
uh, gratitude oh yeah, that'sanother gratitude.
Yeah, so instead of likewriting about stuff that upsets
you, stuff that you want to getover people, you hate the person
you want to the burn book?
Yeah, exactly, you could keep agratitude journal and write
about stuff that you appreciateand stuff that you enjoy Exactly
(24:38):
.
Happy experiences, affirmations, yeah, what do you think about
that?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And things like that.
I think that would be great,honestly, Because I don't write
them down, but I do think aboutall the things you know and I
feel like that would be a good,good place or a form of therapy
for me to write, have agratitude journal.
When I'm feeling anxiety or I'mfeeling down or feeling these
(25:05):
negative emotions, just pickingup that journal and going back
and just reading, you know, like, oh hey, you know, remember
this, this is what I'm thankfulfor, this is how far I've come,
and just things like that.
A positive notebook where I canjust reference back to when I'm
feeling down.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, and then when you're writing that notebook or
writing your gratitude journal,you can think of it in a sense
of like this is a diary I wantsomebody to find for sure yes,
so you're gonna write all theall the good stuff in there,
right?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
all the juice all the juice all the good stuff you
want people to know about you.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
When I used to work for, uh, the group home, they
had a specific day where theywould focus on gratitude,
because that was one of thethings that they would help
those people that were onsubstance abuse and drug abuse
and alcohol abuse when they werelooking for help.
They would do a lot ofgratitude work and, um, I think
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it was helpful how do you, howdo you practice gratitude?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
yeah, just counting your blessings, just counting
like looking around you and youknow, thank you, I have a roofle
for my head you know I havefood, I'm healthy, my kids are
healthy, my family's healthy.
We're not in a bad place likethere's so much gratitude to
express.
It's like I can go on and onright so and it really does help
(26:29):
with your mental health.
It does help with, you know,just self-reflection, I would
think.
So.
What advice I would give onthose that have never journaled
and want to start?
Um, just pick something thatinterests you, whether it be,
you know, your healing journey,write down what you need to heal
(26:50):
from, and if you want to keepthose in a safe place, then
absolutely, you know, do so,because when you do find that
mental clarity or when you feelin a good place, you can always
again reference back to that andand just see how far you've
come.
If you don't feel comfortablewith with, you know, keeping
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that information lying around or, you know, just burn it.
It's, it's also a form of burnit away.
Yeah, burn it away, get rid ofthe evidence, yes, but you can
also again, you know dogratitude, storytelling we've
mentioned different things dreamjournaling, whatever interests
you, and use prompts you know ohyeah, that's one thing we
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didn't really talk about isprompts.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That's something that if you don't know what to write
, that'll just kind of tell youwhat to what to write about.
You know, pretty easy, prettysimple, and that's kind of what
I really enjoyed about school,about history class or writing
class or whatever the classyou'd write in, but there would
be a prompt on the board and itwould be so like, so provoking,
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like something stupid, like whatkind of animal would you be for
30 days and why?
You know I'm saying likesomething stupid and just it
just kickstarts that, thatcreative muscle and the writing.
You know, I'm saying, and itwas every day, which I loved,
yeah, I would always turn inlike a full paper every day,
that's front and back, andwhenever there was like a report
or or like an essay, every timethat it would be turned in, um,
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you know, with like a cover andall out fancy, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Pages, pages that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I was proud of it.
A lot of students in my classwould be like why are you so
perfect?
Why you do everything so nice?
Why do you do everything soperfect?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
anyway, um what other prompts would you use?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
other than like gratitude and how your day went,
what bothered you.
I would just get creative andjust go with those ones, like if
you were to go to space, whatwould you do?
Or if aliens came to earth, orif you're the last person on
earth, or something like that.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
You know what I'm saying yeah, yeah, if you were
stuck under the creative promptswhat would you do?
If you're what if we livedunder the sea?
Is that if you were stuck underthe sea?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
yeah, if you got stuck in it.
Yeah, if you got stuck in adrain, in a drain, street drain,
whatever you know anything likethat.
Yeah, and those are the funones, you know, they really,
like I said, kickstart thekickstart the ideas there you go
, creative thinking yeah um,another good reason to journal
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is to just keep records, youknow.
I think, uh, it's worthmentioning some important pieces
of journals or diaries thatwe've had in our history that
are important, that if we didn'thave them we wouldn't have as
much insight we have today, like, for example the first one is
um Frank's diary, the diary of ayoung girl, anne Frank, and
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that's, of course, the diary ofAnne Frank during the Holocaust,
while she was hiding in herattic with her family from the
Nazis right, and in that journalshe writes on a lot of stuff, a
lot of personal, a lot of scarystuff, stuff that she sees, and
I think it's a testament to,like.
You know, journaling shouldn'tbe something you should be shy
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from.
I think it's something thatshould be embraced, just because
we could.
You know, it's nice to lookback on those, on how you felt
on those days, and just knowyour history, I guess, just to
document what you've beenthrough.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, that is pretty neat.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Because that could be something.
That diary could be somethingthat could be worth something in
your family.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Right, or even you know, if you got to a point
where it's just like you couldpublish a book with it you know,
yeah, tell a story.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Tell a story, yeah, because sometimes your story
could be a books come from isare born.
A story, yeah, from like whatthe author been through or what
they've seen most authors takefrom their life.
You know I'm saying and it doeshelp.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
You know other people too, if you can relate.
You know there's so many peopleout there where it's just like
you, don't?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
you think you're the only one, but then you read
something and you're like oh,there's somebody else going
through that too, exactly, andthen they are able to provide
insight on how they coped withit or, what, you know, methods
they took to overcome thosechallenges, so journaling could
be even.
You know it's like a blog almostlike in the days of anne frank.
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That's all you could do is justwrite in a diary and just hope
someday it's there or somebodyfinds it.
I guess Maybe she didn't planon somebody finding it, but we
did and it's an artifact of ourhistory as humans.
But nowadays, in 2025, I thinkthe way of doing that now is
(31:55):
maybe just starting a blogwriting your thoughts down
online.
It's like a diary these daysand, like you were saying,
people can read it and relateand maybe find some clarity.
Yeah, take from it andhopefully, you know, something
sparks from there you know whatI'm saying?
that's awesome so a blog mightbe some something like an
equivalent to a diary today,because the diary you do it out
(32:17):
in the open anyway, and a blogis online, out in the open, so I
don't get.
I mean, it's the same thing,same thing.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, and I just like to tell you it makes me feel
better, Like what you said justa minute ago or a few minutes
ago.
It's like you shouldn't feelshy when it comes to journaling
you should embrace it, becauseyou don't know, I mean it, just
just embrace it.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
You know it's, it's part of our humanity, right it's
?
It's.
Writing things down issomething that's we've been
doing for years and years andyears, as caveman even.
And what's funny to go offtopic a little bit now today
like in this perspective, it'salways driving.
Driving is like in our like op,you know what I'm saying.
(33:04):
It's weird.
Whereas like years and yearsago it was like nothing, it was
not even heard of.
But now we just do it, likeit's every day, like we do it
and we just daze out and wesomehow just get there.
How much effort.
Like drove somewhere and you'relike, how did I get here?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
How many lights did I run that I get in here All the
time Because it's so like in ouroperating system.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
You, just if there's a red light, we stop.
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, it's green, we go.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Somebody's there, you stop for them from.
You know, craziness, it isinsane.
Anyway, I want to share anotherum a couple other pieces of
writing that I looked up duringour my research time for this
topic.
I didn't do much, it was justall in one day but I do want to
mention um the journals ofsylvia platt, you know, have you
heard of that?
I have not at all sylvia platt'sjournals are a collection of
her personal writings andprovide a deep look into her
inner life, thoughts andstruggles.
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They cover a significant periodof her life from her college
years just before her death in1963.
The journals reveal herambitions as a writer, her
battles with depression and hercomplex relationships.
Also her evolving views on theworld around her.
They're known for their rawhonesty, emotional intensity,
(34:20):
offering valuable insights intoher creative process and the
challenges she faced as a womanin the mid-20th century.
So that's Sylvia Platt.
I never really read SylviaPlatt.
I've heard that name out andabout thrown around here and
there, but I've never taken thetime to read Sylvia Platt.
It also wasn't brought up inschool or anything for me.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Right, yeah, I don't recall.
I don't think I've ever heardof her.
No, sylvia Platt no, no.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I always hear Sylvia Platt when people are in love or
when they break up and they'relike, oh, we used to read Sylvia
Platt together, you know like,yeah, that's where I hear it a
lot, I don't know why.
Another piece of historicalwriting I want to bring up is
the Journals of Lewis and Clark,which documents their
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expedition across America Westfrom 1804 to 1806.
Commissioned by PresidentThomas Jefferson, the expedition
aimed to explore the newlyacquired Louisiana Purchase,
find a practical route acrossthe western half of the
continent and establish Americanclaims to the Pacific Northwest
.
Their journals are filled withdetailed observations of the
(35:31):
geography, climate and naturalresources of the regions they
traveled climate and naturalresources of the regions they
traveled.
They also recorded encounterswith numerous Native American
tribes, documenting theircustoms, languages and social
structures.
Their journals are a mix ofscientific observations,
adventure narratives andreflections on the challenges
and triumphs of the exploration,providing a unique and
(35:54):
invaluable record of early 19thcentury America.
So that's what interests me themost, because it's history
documented on paper and wewouldn't have, I mean, well, I
guess we would know, because wekind of just lived here, I guess
, but still just write stuffdown, right?
Okay, erica?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
so after all that journal talk, I hope some of
(36:35):
that has inspired, you to keep ajournal or to do some
journaling is how it helps.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Prompts different types of journals.
Dream journals I do.
I am inspired to keep a dreamjournal, though.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah, I think I should.
I've been having some crazydreams to Erica like crazy.
The same ones all the timeanyway but yeah, it was, it was
good.
Yeah, maybe we should do ourour next podcast on dreams
perhaps or I think we shouldtalk about dreams on family
therapy okay, that'll work justbecause it'll just be like loose
(37:11):
talk really did.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Just hearing what you had to say, your perspective, I
would have never have thoughtof.
You know, just turningjournaling into characters or
into, you know, a like a story,like a story scene which totally
makes sense because, again,that's where stories are born.
And we've said that a coupletimes.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
So you know, totally makes sense to me yeah, so your
story could be a a hit storyexactly a novel you never know.
You never know and storiesdon't take like a lifetime of
information.
You know, some stories are,some stories are born.
A whole novel could be bornfrom one moment of your life you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
So yeah, which is pretty cool.
Yeah, you know so I definitelywant to start journaling again.
Just, I don't know what I will.
I think I want to just talkabout, like you know, my, just
probably my day or my internalthoughts, whatever it is that
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day, or whatever I'm goingthrough emotions, just to help
me stay grounded and to embracewriting, to get better at it and
better at penmanship, just toget better at.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, just to keep you grounded, I think, to work
in your penmanship.
And also I think, yeah, justwrite about situations you're
going through, yeah, or whatever, and it'll help me gain the
clarity that I need to help meget more organized.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Like I said, I just different parts of my life that
need to be cleaned up.
Now, in this stage of life, andnow that I have time, in a
sense, to to just you know, dothat I.
I think it would really benefitme yeah, it really would.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I think so it really would yeah yeah, I enjoyed
sharing what I could, um, I loveto.
I think I overshared a bitabout with my writing, with my
writing, but it's okay uh.
But I I think if I had to, if Ihad any kind of advice, it just
to be just start with theprompts, write about what, what
(39:23):
bothers you, write aboutsituations, and then just start
from there.
Um, I think writing issomething like I said it's it's
in our human nature, I guess,kind of as humans, to just write
things down.
I think it's important that we,that we just keep that up.
I think it's a practice thathumans are kind of just fading
away from you know what withtechnology and whatnot you know.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
And, with that being said, I want to offer a
challenge, and I just want tochallenge our listeners to start
with writing down just a fewwords, a few sentences,
paragraph and, just, you know,begin there and, as each day
comes, just add to it and keepembracing your self, your
(40:14):
penmanship, your thoughts, youremotions, and and write them
down and, uh, you know, I thinkthat'll be a beautiful start for
you all.
Um also we do have um on ourpodcast, a place where you can
send us a message.
If you want to go ahead andsend us a message, give us your
thoughts.
(40:34):
We're also here, we listen.
We want to improve because, youknow, we want to just be better
.
So if there's anything we canhelp you with, or if there's
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Eric, I would appreciate anhonest review.
Um, just because, again, I justwant to be better and I
appreciate you all listening andsupporting the show.
(41:18):
So thank you, yeah, so on ournext deep dive we'll be talking
about food and nutrition.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Food and nutrition.
That's a good topic.
I think that's an area where Icould use some insight on
Because, well, kind of notreally, and I know some things
but not everything.
But we'll definitely talk aboutit and discuss it next Thursday
.
Also, if you would like to giveus some topic suggestions, that
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would be cool too.
I would like that.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Absolutely yes.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah for our deep dives.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
That'd be great, that would be amazing.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yes, but I think you said it all and I think that
about does it.
I think we're about good here.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yeah, you think so.
I think that's a wrap.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
That's a wrap.
Thank you everybody forlistening, thank you for
sticking around, and we will seeyou all next Thursday.
If not, we'll see you nextThursday because you're a
subscriber.
Yes, so we'll see you all nextThursday and have a good weekend
, thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Have a great weekend.
Take care y'all.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Bye-bye.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Bye.
Hey beautiful souls, welcome back to Family Therapy's
Deep Dive.
Today we'll be talking aboutjournaling and the importance of
writing things down, so take myhand and let's go.
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Okay, cool.
Well, here we are back to DeepDive episode.
Premium episode how excitinghow exciting.
We are back again, back again.
I love it.
I like doing this I do too Ilike diving into topics, you
know they that interest us.
They're fun, yeah, yeah andit's fun to talk about it and
that's why we're here.
That's why we did a podcast,obviously.
Yeah, you're present, I'mpresent, let's go.
(00:40):
Today we're deep diving intojournaling.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Right.
So what is journaling to youMean?
To you or not to you?
Actually, what is journaling?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I think it has a broad definition.
I mean to me, I would guess Iwould say I mean when you think
of journaling, you think of,like, keeping a diary.
I mean that's what my head goesto first thing.
Diary, I mean that's what myhead goes to first thing.
Uh, second my.
My mind goes to the cartoondoug, because he used to journal
a lot.
Do you remember doug from?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
nickelodeon.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I remember his dear journal, dear journal, um, but
yeah, that's what I would thinkof a lot when I when I hear the
word journaling is like a diary,yeah, yeah, what comes to your
head when you um?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
to me, journaling is like a diary, yeah, yeah, what
comes to your head when you um?
To me, journaling just means,you know, just writing down your
thoughts.
And uh, just writing down yourthoughts.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Basically, you know, I of course we're going to go
more in depth, um, but before Iknew anything about journaling,
it's just, uh, since I was a, akid diary like that's my go-to,
but um, as you get older, it'sjust, you know, writing down
what, whatever because I feellike a diary is like you take
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the time, sometimes every day,to sit and write about your day,
or write about, just write.
You know, some people haveprompts or some people have, or
just some people, not myself.
I couldn't just sit there andwrite my day.
I'm not a journaling diaryperson.
I don't write my thoughts down.
I think it's a little it'sscary.
(02:16):
It's scary because I, you know,I don't want people to find my,
my diary or my journal, right,yeah, it isn.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
It is scary.
Isn't that a fear of yours?
It is, don't you think?
Like I don't want that.
That's why, so, when I was akid, I had a journal and I had
like a little lock on it and Iwould write down my day or how,
whatever I was feeling, whateveremotion I was going through
that day, yeah, and I had alittle lock.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I mean it's not very safe.
Yeah, I'm sure it was a toy.
It was a toy lock, I'm sure.
I'm pretty sure if I wanted toget into your diary.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I could have just absolutely no problem.
Yeah, snap it open but as achild that was yeah, as a child
it's like top secret safe, yes,yeah I mean I guess it shouldn't
be a fear, but it it is To me,it is personally, because I just
don't want, like, if I'm goingto go deep into myself and write
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down like I don't feel like Iwould want somebody to read that
To find it.
Maybe after I'm dead.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Perhaps, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Perhaps, but not like oh it's exposing, yeah, it's
exposing I.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
It's exposing.
I wouldn't do it, yeah, butthen I guess it comes down to
like what you want to write down.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
But then if I'm genuinely trying to seek like
help or like trying to likewrite my frustrations out
because I really need it, Iwould want to write down what's
bothering me right, right, likethe deepest stuff.
Would want to write down what'sbothering me right, right, like
the deepest stuff.
So it's like moderate yourselfkind of seems a little bit, I
don't know, not fun, I guessyeah to moderate yourself.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, you should have no limit or no, like you should
be able to just write yourwrite whatever you want to write
without any fear, without anyanything, any type of negative
emotion, I guess yeah, youshould, but I, but I don't yeah
obviously I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
That's why I don't keep a diary or a journal.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
That's why I don't what do you think the benefits
are of journaling?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
it really helps you like get your thoughts together,
get your thoughts straight andkind of just clarify your mind a
bit, because to write aboutyour problems or write about
your stressful day it kind ofgives you some insight, it kind
of gives you some like it justorganizes your thoughts.
I guess Writing aboutexperiences it brings clarity
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and perspective to complexsituations, understanding
thoughts, feelings and behavior.
But, like I said, I don'tjournal.
Like I said, I don't journallike that, I don't journal about
my day.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, so do you journal like I know the benefits
of journaling are to likerelieve stress, um, it could be
a form of therapy.
It, like we mentioned, um game,clarity, focus, maybe
self-awareness you can alsoreflect so.
I think that's a lot of goodbenefits that come from a
journal yeah, exactly becauseyou're writing about your
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experiences and it gives youthat like, like I said that, uh,
that perspective, I guess yeahbut yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Um, but about some other types of journals.
Do you like keep like a dreamjournal or anything like?
Have you heard of anythingabout that?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
um, no, I I mean, I not know, but I have heard of a
dream journal.
Um, I actually know somebodythat keeps track of their, their
dreams, and uh, they do itbecause they lucid dream and so
to get to that next um level,lucid dreaming, I guess you
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write down your dreams, whatyour experiences are, and yeah,
it's pretty interesting, I neverdid a dream journal, just
because I don't know.
Some of my dreams are just wild, like yeah, mine aren't worth
writing down.
Yeah mine aren't worth writingdown like, yeah, mine aren't
worth writing down.
(06:06):
Yeah, mine aren't worth writingdown.
Well, mine just are.
Just, I mean, we'll have todefinitely uh speak of we'll.
We'll have to do a podcast ondreams because my dreams are
like intense, like I had one theother day.
We're just like, yeah, butwe're not talking about dreams,
we'll uh focus back tojournaling.
Um, um, but, yeah, dreamjournals.
There's um a fitness journal.
(06:27):
I do keep a fitness journal.
Um, yeah, so now that I'vestarted going back to the gym, I
write down like my daily, likegoals or what I've done, and
then I just keep increasing aswe go, or you know, just see
where I'm at.
Yeah, so that that's a good one.
Um, what else?
(06:49):
What other type of journaling Iwould think like?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
um self-improvement types of journaling like dream
journals.
Uh, there's travel journalsthat people sometimes keep, um,
and another one that I want todeep dive into is gratitude
journals.
But as far as diaries, I don'tkeep a diary or a journal like
that.
I don't keep any kind offitness journal either, nor a
dream journal either.
I don't think that stuff isworth my time to be writing
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things down, and that's just me.
Just because I have a busy dayand I do do a lot of writing, I
have notebooks upon notebooks,but that's because I do a lot of
story writing or like planning,I guess.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I'm saying, but I do love to write.
But here's my question to you,erica Do you keep a journal or
what kind of writing do you do?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Do you do any kind of writing at all?
So I do not.
I used to keep a journal.
I do not.
I used to keep a journal, but Iwould write in it daily or
whenever I was going throughlike a really dark time, like
when I was in a really darkplace.
It helped me clear my mind andmy thoughts.
So I would write it, writeeverything down that I was going
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through, but I wouldn't keep it.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I would write it down and then I'd read it and then
I'd burn it.
That reminds me of have youever heard of the zozobra in new
mexico?
Yeah have you been there?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
um no, I have not and it's so sad me too.
We were supposed to go lastyear and we didn't.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
But but don't they put their like like wishes in
there or like their whateverthey want to burn away?
Right mantras or whatever, andthey burn it away.
Isn't that how it works?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
yeah, that's how it works, yeah yeah, um, that's
actually where I learned when Iwas doing um meditation.
Uh, my coach, my meditationcoach mentor, um, they, they
incorporated that um writingthings down and then burning it,
releasing it.
Um another thing, another wayor reason why I do that.
(08:52):
I guess there's a couple ummeditation.
I learned it through them.
Um, and then when I was veryinto like crystals and the moon
and the universe and things likethat, I would do like a cleanse
and uh, and then I just burn,burn it away.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So just, you know, that's, that's pretty much how I
journal yeah, and that's also anew age practice too, like what
about poetry?
Do you like ever like write,like in that kind of sense, like
poetry or stuff like that isthat?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
um, I used to yeah which is crazy.
Yeah, when I was in albuquerque, I would, um, I did get into it
for a little bit, um, but Ireally didn't.
I think I tore all those notesup.
I just, yeah, I just like toburn and tear things I guess why
why I just do oh my goodness Iguess it's my uh way of my, my
(09:44):
form of therapy when it comes tojournaling, writing things down
it's just poetry just way Iyeah it's just where you operate
yes, it's pretty strange, but Idon't know why I I'm like I
don't want to share thosethoughts or whatever with
anybody, even if it's poetry,even if it's something like
amazing I don't and I guess itwas because I was maybe lacking
(10:07):
confidence back then.
Um, but if I were to try it now,I'm pretty sure I'd share,
because I'm more open to sharingand talking.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So it's nice to see what what people come up with
right um, that's why I don'tjournal too.
I don't want to write my stuffdown.
I don't want to have exposemyself like.
I don't want to expose myselflike that.
You know what I'm saying.
I've done enough of it onsocial media, exposing my life
and saying stupid shit.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
So I've done some poetry and it interests me, but
it hasn't really stuck with me,but it helps, it helps.
I remember a few years ago Iwas I don't know what happened
but I was like kind of betrayedby this friend that I had, and I
(10:53):
don't know why, but I wrote it,I wrote it out, or I took it
out on poetry and I still have.
I still have that poem in myGoogle drive somewhere, but that
came out like in a few hours,yeah, like naturally I sat there
and just did it and it feltgood and I thought like, well, I
could probably do this orsomething.
(11:14):
But I was like, no, you know, Ihave better things to write.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah you know, but whatever, but at least you, you
released that you know, I triedit.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I tried it, but I think you should get into the
habit of writing something yeahlike I, I really do.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I want to get back into not just my fitness journal
, but I want to get back into,yeah, my uh like just journaling
in general get something goingright yeah, something going
exactly some kind ofextracurricular self-care thing.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yes, yes, exactly Something that's just for you,
because this podcast for you, Ithink, is extracurricular
already.
Yes, I think you need somethingfor yourself?
Yeah, just to Other than thegym.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, other than the gym, another form of therapy for
me because I deal with a lot ofanxiety.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I just, you know we've talked about it where I'm
just like pulling in differentdirections.
And I just you know we'vetalked about it where I'm just
like pulling in differentdirections.
So I think writing about thatwould actually really help me to
get organized, because I am notorganized.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
And I want to be so it's like you know, I think
journaling would definitely helpme improve those portions or
those parts of my life that arelacking you know my weaknesses.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, try it.
Yeah, try it at least for likea month or so.
Yeah, I will, and then we'llcheck in exactly we're gonna
have to check in for sure I wantto talk about.
I have here some like sometechniques for journaling that
we could share or I could share.
Yeah, I don't journal, I don'twrite poetry, I don't do a dream
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journal or a fitness journal.
All my writing goes to storywriting stories, I guess.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Is that fictional?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Fictional stories, yeah, and I have plenty.
I have plenty.
I have a notebook.
I want to.
I have here this notebook here.
I got about I think like threeyears ago and I've been sitting
on a story for since 2020 I'vebeen.
I came up, I had the story ideaand I don't know why I'm
sharing this now, but I guess,guess, I'm just going to do it.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, and I was going to ask you too Do you have a
piece that you can share, just asmall piece that you've wrote,
yes, or written.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, I have this notebook here because I have so
many notebooks.
I have so many notebooks andjournals and I've gotten into
this bad habit where when I havean idea for a certain story, I
write it in whatever notebook Ifind.
And that's a bad idea because Ican't, once I write that idea
down, I kind of forget in whichnotebook it is, and I just don't
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find it again until years lateryeah I'm saying, uh, so I've
started the habit of keepingcertain notebooks for certain
ideas.
so, like, this notebook here isjust for the podcast only and
it's already like has all kindof shit in here, like I just
bought this when we started thepodcast and it's already like
all this shit here and it's justlike all my notes.
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But I want to show you this onehere.
This one is for a story thatI'm working on that has a lot of
similarities to where we grewup, a lot of characters and
personalities and events thatI've had in my life growing up.
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But all of these notes here arejust one story.
They all belong to one story.
Here we have some corrections,ghosts, the ghost inmates.
In the corrections, here's somenotes for myself.
But all of this stuff is justlike all for that one story,
whether it's characterdevelopment, any kind of facts,
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any kind of like story.
That's fitting.
You know what I'm saying, butthat's kind of like my.
My advice, I guess, is to justkeep different notebooks and not
not be afraid to just grab them.
I like notebooks, I likejournals, I like keeping them
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yeah are you?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
gonna share something from that, a small piece I
could, yeah, why not it?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, it's a subscriber episode, so why not?
Yeah, well, I couldn't sharesomething Just like a?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
small, even if it's just a couple words, sentences.
Just I'm excited, I want toknow.
Just a small like teaser.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Okay, let's see.
So one of the characters isnamed Steven.
He's the main character.
Okay, I don't know what I could.
There's christopher, the bigmurder case.
Cassandra, uh, austin, um, um,let's see, I don't even know
(16:08):
which one of these I could share.
I think these are a lot of like.
Not, it's not like a story,it's just like here.
The tow truck man, anotherimportant character, a man that
owns a tow truck, notfinancially or not friendly, and
could be a potential suspect inthe murder case.
This person is also the manthat Matthew's ex got with
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shortly after breaking up withhim.
There is obviously tensionbetween them.
You could only be a jerk andalways getting blamed for when
anything sketchy happens.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
See, that was good, that's all.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
It's you know.
Yeah, so you don't reallyjournal.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I mean you story right pretty much and sometimes
I even like and this is dumblike I would just sit here with
like a notebook and be writingstuff and I could just have the
pen out and then just write downwhat I hear, which is dumb
because that throws me off.
I'm writing my important notesand then I'm hearing the tv.
(17:11):
I'm hearing like family guy andI'm writing down like their
dialogue, just because the actof writing, like just writing
the calligraphy, is just like Ilike to do it oh wow, you know,
I'm saying that's prettyinteresting haven't you ever
found yourself like writing yourname, setting your name over
and over again in a notebook?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
No.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
No, no, you never done that before I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I do not have good penmanship and when I write, my
thoughts are coming out so fastand I'm trying to write them.
My handwriting is sloppy.
Would you be able to understandthis?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
like, yeah, to a certain extent maybe like I
would have to like look at it,pick it up and read it and like
hold it to my face and analyzeit for a bit.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
So it's like when just to sit there and to write
like, like, scribble my name,like maybe I I scribble like
circles or designs or something,but never really my name.
Like maybe I scribble likecircles or designs or something.
Yeah, but never really my name,mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
And when I write, when I was writing in the
journaling or when I wouldjournal, I would take my time
because I was in a like I guessa relaxed it relaxed me, yeah,
so I would at least understandmy writing to yeah better, you
know, but I just don't havereally good penmanship and I
don't like to see my hand, myhandwriting down on piece of
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paper because I'm just like, oh,it's so ugly it's a little
embarrassing when you like, whenyou're out of work and somebody
asks you to like writesomething down, and you give
back to them, you and they'relike what, what is what?
What does this say?
What is that?
What is?
Is that a D?
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I was like oh yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Sorry, I I don't know how to write.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I just don't take my time when it comes to writing.
I mean, it's because I think Ifeel rushed, um, but if I'm not
rushed then I'll definitely, youknow, right, of course.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So again, I don't want to contradict myself yeah,
and I think that there isanother benefit to like writing
because it really bring it,calms you down.
You know I'm saying it justmakes you slow down right and
that's the thing about writing,because if you're sitting there
writing and you find that yourpenmanship or your your
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scribbling is getting kind ofcrazy, I think that's a sign of
like, just like, okay, likethings are going a lot in your
head.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And I think writing is one of those um, you just
have to be in a calm place towrite things down.
You know what I'm saying.
Like you have to just be in ain a calm state in that state.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, and that's what I was going to ask too, like by
writing your stories.
How has that helped you,because it's not necessarily
journaling, but how does thathelp you?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
It helps me believing or it helps me knowing, I guess
, to just know what's right andwhat's wrong, I guess, because
when it comes to a story likewhenever I think of a situation
or a conflict in my head and itusually comes from something
(20:17):
that I've been through in mylifetime or something that I've
witnessed it just makes mewonder how I could have handled
it or how I did handle it andhow would these characters
handle it.
Oh, I'm saying how and whatthey would say and what they
would do and what the personwould say.
You know what I'm saying.
(20:37):
So it gets me into that statelike, okay, well, what if this
happened?
What if this happened?
And it comes from like, like,like, like I said, like real
life situations, and I come upwith some story bits where a
character not from my story, butI've come up with one, or I
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thought of one in the past fewmonths from staying here, and it
would be like I don't know,like a horror story, I guess,
whatever.
But what if a character wasstaying in somebody's house like
I am now?
And what if the people thatlive here, like you, would like
just have me do like crazythings, kind of like I don't
(21:20):
know like what if erica wouldcome up here and be like warren?
uh, we need you to like um, notsleep here for the next couple
two weeks because whatever,whatever we have family coming,
yeah, or for some stupid yeahlike because we're gonna have,
um the neighbors dogs coming inand they need a place to stay
and we can't have five dogs inthe house, so we're gonna use
(21:40):
that bedroom for all five dogsyeah, see that's crazy, that
that would be absurd yes, okay,that makes sense More of like
better than the noise.
Yeah, exactly, yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
But it's just you trying to express yourself.
I understand, but that was abetter example.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, so hey, you know you can't stay here,
because you know we're watchingfive monkeys, two dogs yeah,
exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And they're going to use your room room.
Yeah, so that would be insane.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, so stuff like that, you know, the way you
journal, is very interestingbecause it's like your
imagination is, you know, isdeep, you know, and it's.
It's pretty cool that you havethat perspective, because I
would have never have thought ofthat ever.
Like, okay, I'm gonna write myday or experiences, but in a
story form right with made-upcharacters.
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I don't know why, I would havenever thought that.
But again, that's storytelling,right?
That's how you do it.
It's like real life scenarios.
Maybe some are fabricated alittle bit, um, but yeah.
So when it comes to me and whenI'm journaling and I want to
start journaling, um, I'm justgoing to talk about, probably
(22:57):
you know my day, what'supsetting, um, how I can be
better, things like that.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah, um, just to help me just get in a better
place, I think, yeah, for me, mymain goal right now, what I'm
working on, is being organizedyeah, like if something like
stressed you out that day orsomething bothered you, an
argument, you know you can justwrite, write, write, write about
that, not even like in thestory sense, like you, just from
(23:26):
your perspective exactly or ina form of a poem, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Anyhow anyway.
That's pretty neat and I thinkthat's what grounds you from
taking you from that crazinessin your head to sit down and
actually think and use yourcreative muscles to like how
would you write this out in ajournal, in a story, in a poem,
or is it even worth writingabout?
You know what I'm saying?
(23:50):
Because I don't don't likewrite everything like that.
I just write it if it's like oh, that's a good like little
premise there, I'm gonna writethat in whichever journal it
that scenario fits in, because Ikeep two.
Right now I have this story andthen I have another shorter
story which is a more moresincere, more family, more
sibling, love kind of a story.
Yeah, uh, what other kind ofjournaling can we talk about?
(24:14):
uh, gratitude oh yeah, that'sanother gratitude.
Yeah, so instead of likewriting about stuff that upsets
you, stuff that you want to getover people, you hate the person
you want to the burn book?
Yeah, exactly, you could keep agratitude journal and write
about stuff that you appreciateand stuff that you enjoy Exactly
(24:38):
.
Happy experiences, affirmations, yeah, what do you think about
that?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And things like that.
I think that would be great,honestly, Because I don't write
them down, but I do think aboutall the things you know and I
feel like that would be a good,good place or a form of therapy
for me to write, have agratitude journal.
When I'm feeling anxiety or I'mfeeling down or feeling these
(25:05):
negative emotions, just pickingup that journal and going back
and just reading, you know, like, oh hey, you know, remember
this, this is what I'm thankfulfor, this is how far I've come,
and just things like that.
A positive notebook where I canjust reference back to when I'm
feeling down.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, and then when you're writing that notebook or
writing your gratitude journal,you can think of it in a sense
of like this is a diary I wantsomebody to find for sure yes,
so you're gonna write all theall the good stuff in there,
right?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
all the juice all the juice all the good stuff you
want people to know about you.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
When I used to work for, uh, the group home, they
had a specific day where theywould focus on gratitude,
because that was one of thethings that they would help
those people that were onsubstance abuse and drug abuse
and alcohol abuse when they werelooking for help.
They would do a lot ofgratitude work and, um, I think
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it was helpful how do you, howdo you practice gratitude?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
yeah, just counting your blessings, just counting
like looking around you and youknow, thank you, I have a roofle
for my head you know I havefood, I'm healthy, my kids are
healthy, my family's healthy.
We're not in a bad place likethere's so much gratitude to
express.
It's like I can go on and onright so and it really does help
(26:29):
with your mental health.
It does help with, you know,just self-reflection, I would
think.
So.
What advice I would give onthose that have never journaled
and want to start?
Um, just pick something thatinterests you, whether it be,
you know, your healing journey,write down what you need to heal
(26:50):
from, and if you want to keepthose in a safe place, then
absolutely, you know, do so,because when you do find that
mental clarity or when you feelin a good place, you can always
again reference back to that andand just see how far you've
come.
If you don't feel comfortablewith with, you know, keeping
(27:12):
that information lying around or, you know, just burn it.
It's, it's also a form of burnit away.
Yeah, burn it away, get rid ofthe evidence, yes, but you can
also again, you know dogratitude, storytelling we've
mentioned different things dreamjournaling, whatever interests
you, and use prompts you know ohyeah, that's one thing we
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didn't really talk about isprompts.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That's something that if you don't know what to write
, that'll just kind of tell youwhat to what to write about.
You know, pretty easy, prettysimple, and that's kind of what
I really enjoyed about school,about history class or writing
class or whatever the classyou'd write in, but there would
be a prompt on the board and itwould be so like, so provoking,
(27:58):
like something stupid, like whatkind of animal would you be for
30 days and why?
You know I'm saying likesomething stupid and just it
just kickstarts that, thatcreative muscle and the writing.
You know, I'm saying, and itwas every day, which I loved,
yeah, I would always turn inlike a full paper every day,
that's front and back, andwhenever there was like a report
or or like an essay, every timethat it would be turned in, um,
(28:22):
you know, with like a cover andall out fancy, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Pages, pages that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I was proud of it.
A lot of students in my classwould be like why are you so
perfect?
Why you do everything so nice?
Why do you do everything soperfect?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
anyway, um what other prompts would you use?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
other than like gratitude and how your day went,
what bothered you.
I would just get creative andjust go with those ones, like if
you were to go to space, whatwould you do?
Or if aliens came to earth, orif you're the last person on
earth, or something like that.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
You know what I'm saying yeah, yeah, if you were
stuck under the creative promptswhat would you do?
If you're what if we livedunder the sea?
Is that if you were stuck underthe sea?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
yeah, if you got stuck in it.
Yeah, if you got stuck in adrain, in a drain, street drain,
whatever you know anything likethat.
Yeah, and those are the funones, you know, they really,
like I said, kickstart thekickstart the ideas there you go
, creative thinking yeah um,another good reason to journal
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is to just keep records, youknow.
I think, uh, it's worthmentioning some important pieces
of journals or diaries thatwe've had in our history that
are important, that if we didn'thave them we wouldn't have as
much insight we have today, like, for example the first one is
um Frank's diary, the diary of ayoung girl, anne Frank, and
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that's, of course, the diary ofAnne Frank during the Holocaust,
while she was hiding in herattic with her family from the
Nazis right, and in that journalshe writes on a lot of stuff, a
lot of personal, a lot of scarystuff, stuff that she sees, and
I think it's a testament to,like.
You know, journaling shouldn'tbe something you should be shy
(30:16):
from.
I think it's something thatshould be embraced, just because
we could.
You know, it's nice to lookback on those, on how you felt
on those days, and just knowyour history, I guess, just to
document what you've beenthrough.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, that is pretty neat.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Because that could be something.
That diary could be somethingthat could be worth something in
your family.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Right, or even you know, if you got to a point
where it's just like you couldpublish a book with it you know,
yeah, tell a story.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Tell a story, yeah, because sometimes your story
could be a books come from isare born.
A story, yeah, from like whatthe author been through or what
they've seen most authors takefrom their life.
You know I'm saying and it doeshelp.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
You know other people too, if you can relate.
You know there's so many peopleout there where it's just like
you, don't?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
you think you're the only one, but then you read
something and you're like oh,there's somebody else going
through that too, exactly, andthen they are able to provide
insight on how they coped withit or, what, you know, methods
they took to overcome thosechallenges, so journaling could
be even.
You know it's like a blog almostlike in the days of anne frank.
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That's all you could do is justwrite in a diary and just hope
someday it's there or somebodyfinds it.
I guess Maybe she didn't planon somebody finding it, but we
did and it's an artifact of ourhistory as humans.
But nowadays, in 2025, I thinkthe way of doing that now is
(31:55):
maybe just starting a blogwriting your thoughts down
online.
It's like a diary these daysand, like you were saying,
people can read it and relateand maybe find some clarity.
Yeah, take from it andhopefully, you know, something
sparks from there you know whatI'm saying?
that's awesome so a blog mightbe some something like an
equivalent to a diary today,because the diary you do it out
(32:17):
in the open anyway, and a blogis online, out in the open, so I
don't get.
I mean, it's the same thing,same thing.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, and I just like to tell you it makes me feel
better, Like what you said justa minute ago or a few minutes
ago.
It's like you shouldn't feelshy when it comes to journaling
you should embrace it, becauseyou don't know, I mean it, just
just embrace it.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
You know it's, it's part of our humanity, right it's
?
It's.
Writing things down issomething that's we've been
doing for years and years andyears, as caveman even.
And what's funny to go offtopic a little bit now today
like in this perspective, it'salways driving.
Driving is like in our like op,you know what I'm saying.
(33:04):
It's weird.
Whereas like years and yearsago it was like nothing, it was
not even heard of.
But now we just do it, likeit's every day, like we do it
and we just daze out and wesomehow just get there.
How much effort.
Like drove somewhere and you'relike, how did I get here?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
How many lights did I run that I get in here All the
time Because it's so like in ouroperating system.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
You, just if there's a red light, we stop.
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, it's green, we go.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Somebody's there, you stop for them from.
You know, craziness, it isinsane.
Anyway, I want to share anotherum a couple other pieces of
writing that I looked up duringour my research time for this
topic.
I didn't do much, it was justall in one day but I do want to
mention um the journals ofsylvia platt, you know, have you
heard of that?
I have not at all sylvia platt'sjournals are a collection of
her personal writings andprovide a deep look into her
inner life, thoughts andstruggles.
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They cover a significant periodof her life from her college
years just before her death in1963.
The journals reveal herambitions as a writer, her
battles with depression and hercomplex relationships.
Also her evolving views on theworld around her.
They're known for their rawhonesty, emotional intensity,
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offering valuable insights intoher creative process and the
challenges she faced as a womanin the mid-20th century.
So that's Sylvia Platt.
I never really read SylviaPlatt.
I've heard that name out andabout thrown around here and
there, but I've never taken thetime to read Sylvia Platt.
It also wasn't brought up inschool or anything for me.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Right, yeah, I don't recall.
I don't think I've ever heardof her.
No, sylvia Platt no, no.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I always hear Sylvia Platt when people are in love or
when they break up and they'relike, oh, we used to read Sylvia
Platt together, you know like,yeah, that's where I hear it a
lot, I don't know why.
Another piece of historicalwriting I want to bring up is
the Journals of Lewis and Clark,which documents their
(35:08):
expedition across America Westfrom 1804 to 1806.
Commissioned by PresidentThomas Jefferson, the expedition
aimed to explore the newlyacquired Louisiana Purchase,
find a practical route acrossthe western half of the
continent and establish Americanclaims to the Pacific Northwest
.
Their journals are filled withdetailed observations of the
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geography, climate and naturalresources of the regions they
traveled climate and naturalresources of the regions they
traveled.
They also recorded encounterswith numerous Native American
tribes, documenting theircustoms, languages and social
structures.
Their journals are a mix ofscientific observations,
adventure narratives andreflections on the challenges
and triumphs of the exploration,providing a unique and
(35:54):
invaluable record of early 19thcentury America.
So that's what interests me themost, because it's history
documented on paper and wewouldn't have, I mean, well, I
guess we would know, because wekind of just lived here, I guess
, but still just write stuffdown, right?
Okay, erica?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
so after all that journal talk, I hope some of
(36:35):
that has inspired, you to keep ajournal or to do some
journaling is how it helps.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Prompts different types of journals.
Dream journals I do.
I am inspired to keep a dreamjournal, though.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah, I think I should.
I've been having some crazydreams to Erica like crazy.
The same ones all the timeanyway but yeah, it was, it was
good.
Yeah, maybe we should do ourour next podcast on dreams
perhaps or I think we shouldtalk about dreams on family
therapy okay, that'll work justbecause it'll just be like loose
(37:11):
talk really did.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Just hearing what you had to say, your perspective, I
would have never have thoughtof.
You know, just turningjournaling into characters or
into, you know, a like a story,like a story scene which totally
makes sense because, again,that's where stories are born.
And we've said that a coupletimes.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
So you know, totally makes sense to me yeah, so your
story could be a a hit storyexactly a novel you never know.
You never know and storiesdon't take like a lifetime of
information.
You know, some stories are,some stories are born.
A whole novel could be bornfrom one moment of your life you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
So yeah, which is pretty cool.
Yeah, you know so I definitelywant to start journaling again.
Just, I don't know what I will.
I think I want to just talkabout, like you know, my, just
probably my day or my internalthoughts, whatever it is that
(38:13):
day, or whatever I'm goingthrough emotions, just to help
me stay grounded and to embracewriting, to get better at it and
better at penmanship, just toget better at.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, just to keep you grounded, I think, to work
in your penmanship.
And also I think, yeah, justwrite about situations you're
going through, yeah, or whatever, and it'll help me gain the
clarity that I need to help meget more organized.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Like I said, I just different parts of my life that
need to be cleaned up.
Now, in this stage of life, andnow that I have time, in a
sense, to to just you know, dothat I.
I think it would really benefitme yeah, it really would.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I think so it really would yeah yeah, I enjoyed
sharing what I could, um, I loveto.
I think I overshared a bitabout with my writing, with my
writing, but it's okay uh.
But I I think if I had to, if Ihad any kind of advice, it just
to be just start with theprompts, write about what, what
(39:23):
bothers you, write aboutsituations, and then just start
from there.
Um, I think writing issomething like I said it's it's
in our human nature, I guess,kind of as humans, to just write
things down.
I think it's important that we,that we just keep that up.
I think it's a practice thathumans are kind of just fading
away from you know what withtechnology and whatnot you know.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
And, with that being said, I want to offer a
challenge, and I just want tochallenge our listeners to start
with writing down just a fewwords, a few sentences,
paragraph and, just, you know,begin there and, as each day
comes, just add to it and keepembracing your self, your
(40:14):
penmanship, your thoughts, youremotions, and and write them
down and, uh, you know, I thinkthat'll be a beautiful start for
you all.
Um also we do have um on ourpodcast, a place where you can
send us a message.
If you want to go ahead andsend us a message, give us your
thoughts.
(40:34):
We're also here, we listen.
We want to improve because, youknow, we want to just be better
.
So if there's anything we canhelp you with, or if there's
something that we said that youwould want more clarity, please
send us a message.
We'll be more than happy toanswer and also rate us.
(40:55):
You know, give us a.
Give us, I mean, if you thinkit's good, obviously give us an
honest review, because it's veryappreciated.
Eric, I would appreciate anhonest review.
Um, just because, again, I justwant to be better and I
appreciate you all listening andsupporting the show.
(41:18):
So thank you, yeah, so on ournext deep dive we'll be talking
about food and nutrition.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Food and nutrition.
That's a good topic.
I think that's an area where Icould use some insight on
Because, well, kind of notreally, and I know some things
but not everything.
But we'll definitely talk aboutit and discuss it next Thursday
.
Also, if you would like to giveus some topic suggestions, that
(41:48):
would be cool too.
I would like that.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Absolutely yes.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah for our deep dives.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
That'd be great, that would be amazing.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yes, but I think you said it all and I think that
about does it.
I think we're about good here.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yeah, you think so.
I think that's a wrap.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
That's a wrap.
Thank you everybody forlistening, thank you for
sticking around, and we will seeyou all next Thursday.
If not, we'll see you nextThursday because you're a
subscriber.
Yes, so we'll see you all nextThursday and have a good weekend
, thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Have a great weekend.
Take care y'all.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Bye-bye.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Bye.
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