Dhoom (2004)

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action you don't want to sing do the real song do much the one time I ask you

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saying you can't see well oh shit no no I was saying in the middle of the podcast

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welcome to fear of stairs desi films decoded the podcast where four friends
from different backgrounds unlock the world of desi cinema I'm Winnie the desi
who's never been to India hi I'm Killy I am a big fan of doom that's why I
started this podcast my name is Nikki formerly a fan of Tatayang formally not

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now okay I'm Adam I'm a current fan of Tatayang probably her biggest fan what
are we watching today we're doing an iconic film not just in India but also
in Thailand as much as I can remember yeah I think so it's called really really

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emphasis on the age I think the D and the H make it sound like a Z
yeah like that yeah I'm just clinging on to the

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so you've never heard this word before it's not like it is an expression it's
like like it's a kind of from on a water PR to more like a bigger meaning I don't
know the term yeah so it's it's like a celebration huge blast kind of thing

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yeah was it a big word before this movie was it commonly used or did this movie
put it like on the radar did it send this word to the top of the Google
search chart yeah it did it did no no no I mean like did it get added to the
dictionary to be honest I don't know I don't know much about Hindi like
colloquial like what's being used and not because yeah yeah so doom is like a

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very wide 2k movie it's an action movie that's kind of like a buddy cop makes a
buddy cop heist movie it's a fast and furious ripoff fast and furious ripoff
that's what it is in 2004 yeah so fast and furious came out in 2001 yeah I
looked like a mix of fast and furious and oceans 11 well but crossover in a

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way though ahead of its time because as a big fast and furious fan fast and
furious 5 has a big like money high scene as well so so it copied fast and
furious and then fast and furious copy do I must have it must have because if

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that's the furious 5 is oceans 11 meets fast and furious but have you seen it
have you guys seen any of the fast and furious never made it to five of course
I made it to to nine yeah okay I forgot I thought I kind of forgot like what I
was watching when I was watching later fast and furious like I don't know the
numbers it's all same film for me I love fast and furious I kind of forgot they got

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really really good up until seven and then it fell off but one two and three
is okay four is alright and then five six and seven is like one of the best
runs of film ever like for action series it just started as like a street racing
film like during during the 2000s 2001 yeah in poor tuner culture was very

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popular you see it in movies like fast and furious in games like need for speed
like street racing and then somehow fast and furious just took did a revamp and
then it became like straight-up heist action movie series yeah so they did
fast and furious one which I saw in theaters when you were in junior high

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which I was when that movie came out that was a very hot date movie to go to
very hot looking like you know people people and you know street racing and
every got everyone into it and you know I'm from LA so like tons of Asians movie
industry racing there fast and furious 2 did not have Vin Diesel so it was a

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buddy cop film that's some fears really go to Tokyo it has a new director and
then and a fantastic director he's the one that made the series really good my
point is then once he took over with when he did four five six and seven he
convinced Vin Diesel to come back by saying we're gonna do a Dungeons and
Dragons type film because Vin Diesel is very into Dungeons and Dragons this is

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true so he says look it's gonna be a team and they all have different roles
and they all level up so like Nikki said Ludacris is in fast and furious 2 is
like a bookie when he gets into four or five and six he becomes the like
greatest hacker in the world so they all like level up each movie and they all have
their different roles and that's why it's all about the family it's because

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it's like a D&D team growing as a family growing together and leveling up so by
the time they're in like seven they're like flying through the air and stuff
like that and so that's what got Vin Diesel on board so it is like a D&D
film set in the real world with heist movie but I do like that both movies
have a song that made it that made the movie more popular than it probably

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would have been without the song with you have Tokyo Drift with doom you have
the best first and furious film for me I love that but it's a song right
and I think that like that appeal to people who had never watched fast and
furious before to watch it

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Oh
can you keep saying he doesn't know the lyrics even though most of the song is
just do much alley do much alley doom there is like there is something going on
but it doesn't matter it's like the film like there are a lot of things going on
in the film doesn't matter what matters is like the bike and do much alley yeah

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so so doom comes out after fast and furious 2 so I think it does combine the
buddy cop with the street racing origins of one and they use a bunch of
motorcycles so it's not much cars it's a lot of motorcycles but they all have
NOS hooked up yes so they're still using NOS and that's how you can tell it's a

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fast and furious ripoff instead of using it for balloons like fun people they use
it to race each other yeah we the podcaster in at fear of stairs
podcaster big fan of NOS and that's why we start watch doom to go fast
you can use NOS in balloons it's the same same same same compound nitrous oxide

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into all I didn't know that if you use oh if you take whipped cream canisters and
hook it up to your car your car fucking zooms past the street yeah you can like
jump over bridges and stuff if you use those whipped cream canisters yeah

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yeah alternatively if you inhale NOS it's a really pleasant high nothing bad
can happen to you really sure I looked at us how's the experience like well it's
like you're flying you feel like the speed of doom yeah that's what like
that's what I've been told that's what I've been told yeah by the way let's do

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a because I know we hung out yesterday and to watch the movie kind of but I
still feel like I haven't because all we did was watch the movie how are you
guys doing you guys did okay Nikki was like yelling at the movie the whole time
because he's been super stressed out so like I've never seen Nikki like that
angry at a movie but like I know the anger wasn't towards the movie so like

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his stress it's a dumb movie I honestly think it was dumb yeah like in an
entertaining way yeah yeah can't help but so what happened was like I mean I
haven't I have a theory what happened it's like so doom is a huge inspiration
for Happy New Year it seems like there were so many plot points no no no not

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that theory the theory of like why Nikki was the ending so I starting with this
yeah so it looked like it's a it's a very it's a I mean Happy New Year took
so much inspiration from doom and it was so bad that it was good but doom doesn't
doesn't touch that point of being so bad that it is good so Nikki would for Nikki

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it was just bad dumb movie and then that's why he was fucking angry at the
film yeah I actually like this movie and I hated Happy New Year I could not even
sit through Happy New Year. Did you notice it's the same plot though? Did you notice it's the exact same plot?
like literally they have an event in October then they have their final

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event in New Year and they rent the room that's right above the vault where they
go in and steal the money it's literally the end. At least it's more real right? It's not cartoon like
or parody like the way that Happy New Year was. That's what like really threw me off.
Is this what I'm hearing is currently? It's not cartoony?
It's probably the motion. Okay the guy did stand on the bike with nothing else at one point but still.

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The boat jump was the best. Yeah when you fight a fire with water and the boat.
Oh my gosh he holds the gun and he's just burning in flames. Yeah that was pretty good too.
I like doom I like again I like Fast and Furious I like doom I think it's better
than Happy New Year for sure. Yeah way better. It is better than Happy New Year but

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clearly Happy New Year like ripped off this movie because again yeah like they stay in a room above the vault.
One of the guys pretends to be drunk in a major scene.
It's all about like a big theft at the end and yeah like Killy did say like it is about Happy New Year
when he didn't want us to watch Happy New Year and instead it was mentioned at least many times.

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Well Happy New Year didn't mention Happy New Year at all. I'll say that I think there's more Happy New Year
involved with doom than Happy New Year the movie they mention it way more and it is more pivotal than the movie Happy New Year.
Yeah so you saw it this morning you did come over Winnie last time and then left and watched the
morning. Yeah I watched the remaining half this morning. I think so one thing that stuck to my mind while watching it was

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Killy saying that John Abraham the villain was actually more charming and Abhishek was like not that doofus.
But I didn't really get that vibe while watching it. I really like the protagonist like Jai Dixit played by Abhishek Bachchan.
Wow a very bold take on who has never heard this take. Okay a very controversial bold take.

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I also didn't think Abhishek was a good actor you know he's a son of Amitabh Bachchan like the father of Bollywood or whatever.
So I really just assumed he just made it to acting because of nepotism. But this movie he actually gave like he actually delivered emotions,
a range as well he goes from serious to funny and I think most of like his character was nice and John I remember watching this when I was young

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and just like thinking John Abraham was the sexiest thing ever. He really is objectively right. He's fucking sexy.
But I feel like the movie was trying to play into that way too much that it just took away from the appeal. Maybe because I'm also older now.
You want a stable cop boyfriend.
I prefer the dad kind of like yeah stable cop boyfriend.
When he was younger she wanted John.
She wants the bad guy now she's like well he has a uniform he has like a stable job.

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Every scene of John is just like focusing on his looks or him saying something very short but very mysterious and it's just trying too hard.
Like he already looks good. You don't have to try that hard. So I blame that on like the writing or the costume team.
But you say you like Abhishek. Like what about his personality because he's kind of an asshole to everyone.

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Well I like that he seems to be an asshole but he's a softy on the inside.
How?
I mean his wife takes his wallet from him in the beginning.
He's a pretentious fuck.
He's beating up like just a street side like bike repair man just because he's a man on a mission.
Just because he deals with like stolen bikes or something.

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He's being very pragmatic now as an adult.
He's bringing into police station and beat the shit out of him.
You want me to side with the guy who's trying to commit a huge like a huge robbery.
So here's my take like no one in the history of robbery or stealing gave a single flying fuck about bank robbery.
This is the other thing right because he talks about like I'm on the side of good and goodness is always two steps ahead of evil and they're robbing a casino in Goa at a resort.

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I don't know how much like the cop is protecting anyone and how much like the John the bad guy is like hurting anyone.
Like I don't really care that much but I will say this is the first movie where the protagonist is darker than the antagonist.
Well that's because he's Amitabh Bachchan's son.
Right.
He gets away with it.
Darker as in like skin color or the soul.

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The soul.
Wow.
How do you do that?
I really thought so.
But the good guy the good guy cop has darker skin than the bad guy.
That's the first time I've ever seen this in any Indian film.
Good observation Adam.
Because he's Amitabh's son.
Sure but that is worth noting that that's why I think also everyone was like all in on the villain.
You know.

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No no way.
It's also like the charm of the bad guy because he so to be honest like I've seen enough films of both of these guys.
Objectively.
Objectively.
Abhishek Bachchan is a better actor than John Abraham.
But the character in Dhoom John Abraham had like way more fan than Abhishek Bachchan because he had that.

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Karishma of riding the motorbike and doing those flips and stuff.
But you know who stood out the most?
Ali.
I think I love him most.
His character.
His acting.
He has the most controversial take on Dhoom.
I really wish you watched this with us because all of your opinions are opposite of ours.

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Maybe this is a good thing about watching it.
I love it.
I disagree with you a lot.
Tell us about Ali.
Tell us about Ali.
Why do you like him?
Because this is his goofy character.
Like you know he's like a golden retriever.
He is harmless and he's like so energetic and just babbles non-stop.
Okay no he's obviously a thief in the beginning but like the way he acts the way he kind of like gets on the good side.

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He's just like a mechanic asshole.
He's like stolen by motorcycle.
It's still against the law.
It's still against the law.
What he's doing.
So he's always like anti-police and then he meets Abhishek and you see them like slowly develop that cop buddy vibe.
I don't know about that.
I don't know.

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He has a big character development.
He has the most character development throughout the film.
I don't know about that either.
I did like his.
He does.
He does.
He changes a lot.
I like his romantic song in the rain.
I like that.
I think his romantic song in the rain is the second best song in the movie.
Oh yeah that was awesome.
I think it's catchy.
And now Winnie.
Mary fuck kill those three actors.

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Oh no.
Abhishek, John and Ali.
That's not even that difficult.
Then tell me.
I mean let's leave fuck John Abraham.
Mary.
I think I'm Mary Abhishek because he has a good job and yeah I'd have to kill Ali.
Okay.
Oh there you go.
God.
Maybe in an alternate.
From the person who has the biggest heart of change.

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Biggest change of heart gets killed.
I think it'd be close at either Mary Abhishek or Ali.
I can't really decide.
One of them.
It depends on part two and part three how they are.
They go become worse.
I think I think like what we thought of the characters was the generic general consensus
from the audience and the DOOM franchise kind of played on that so much that they focused

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on the antagonists from now on the sequels.
Yeah like like like they totally dropped the ball on Ali at some point.
It's kind of Ali is there because Ali it's Ali's brother's direction and father's production
house.
Uday Chopra.
Yeah Uday Chopra.

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Yes Chopra films is the production house and I think Aditya Chopra his brother is a director
writer director of this film.
So yeah.
And yeah I mean I think he was like fine whatever.
I don't think he was a strong actor.
He was insufferable.
I don't think he was super good looking.
And yeah him and the protagonist together just didn't have much charisma.

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Neither did neither did John.
Like he just you know is like sexy looking.
But yeah I just think John the protagonist right.
No no sorry Abhishek the protagonist was just kind of boring and kind of mean to everyone
and like unnecessarily mean to Ali.
I did like Ali thanking his mom all the time.

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It's raining.
Thank you mommy.
And I'm really struggling.
So Amitabh Bachchan was like kind of popular in Bollywood as an angry young man role.
Yeah like which kind of reflects like the rage antics of Indian men.
OK.
But but I think that's that's what they kind of the brief was for Abhishek's character

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that he is like an angry young police.
He was he was always pissed.
He's like eyebrows are always like constricted and like he was looking always pissed at people
only apart from his wife.
Yeah because his wife was looking pissed at him.
Weird dynamics.
And I got to say this about the women in the movie.

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We talked about this too.
I really don't like their makeup at this time.
Oh it's too early to that.
I don't like it.
I hate it.
The thin eyebrows.
Yeah the thin eyebrows is my biggest turn off.
I do not like pencil eyebrows.
I also don't like thin eyebrows but but the makeup apart from thin eyebrows is also horrendous.
Yeah.
Excessive lip gloss.

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The eyes.
The eye shadow is so strong.
Yeah it doesn't just blend.
Nothing is blending.
Nothing is.
Beauty Blender doesn't exist back then Kili.
Is that a new technology?
I don't know.
I think so.
But yeah Beauty Blender just became a thing.
Did you ever like do like pencil thin eyebrows or anything?
I'm Indian ethically like no my eyebrows.
But so are they.
I have to get it threaded.

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Okay yeah maybe but.
I was trying to find so the actress name is Rinne Sen.
I was trying to find a photo of her without thin eyebrows when she was young.
I couldn't find only found like one without thin eyebrows when she grew older.
So she was always thinning her eyebrows.
That sucks.
Yeah.
I mean we have to thread and wax now.
But yeah like when I was younger when I was 13 or something I would definitely wax it much thinner than I keep it now.

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Because you have to go with the trends.
It was thin back then because of Kardashians thick eyebrows are back in.
Thank God like Jennifer Connelly I think is one of the most attractive actresses.
And she has the best eyebrows and they're like thick and she's always had it like that.
It's always been great.
The thin eyebrows aren't like the eye shadow like the blue face makeup.

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Like I just they the women in this film just weren't I don't like that 2000s.
Adam gives in no to the women in this film.
So let's get into the plot.
I disagree with Rinne and I just have to bring it on.
Oh the Ali part.
Yeah you seem to have strong opinions.
I don't like the stoic hero.

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I don't I think they're bland.
I think they're boring.
No Ali is not the stoic hero.
I'm talking about Abhishek's character.
Yeah okay yeah.
He's like the stoic hero and like like Keely said John Abraham is quite the stud.
So I was super mad at how dumb the movie was.
I went back to show my partner how dumb it was and the first thing she said when she saw John Abraham was like oh why does he look so much better than than the hero.

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Yeah like that.
That was I mean I don't think anybody can test that like obviously John is way better than Abhishek.
That's what I said yeah.
But like I just personally I just don't like any of the characters.
I just found them insufferable.
I found them they make like the dumbest decisions.
Like Ali was just like tying up his love interest and forcing her to like marry him and she just falls for him because he's literally the last guy there.

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Plot reasons.
Yeah okay so the story.
You disagree with me?
Few moments back like she was with the she is with the team.
Like why is she falling in love with Ali?
For no reason.
Just because she's a woman?
One thing I was not sure about this is the same woman that had the dance scene in the rain with him.
Yeah.
Yeah so they obviously had like.

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No but she was praying for a while.
It was a part of jobs.
So the whole twist was that it was all a distraction.
It's like what Abhishek says.
Good is always two steps ahead of evil.
Love is always two steps ahead of hatred.
This is like the now you see me oceans.
Oceans like.
But what I said love is always two steps ahead of hatred.

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Like love comes first and then comes hatred.
What is her interest in Ali?
He's a buffoon that can't do anything.
He can dance and he can sing and he's a golden retriever.
He gives such a warm cozy feeling.
He can repair cars like just dancing.
And he wins every bike race and he can stand on the bike without holding on to anything just on his two legs.

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You not see that?
Okay Kaley when a woman wants a car fix.
You just give him the old dance number.
Yeah I'll do that.
Would you date Ali?
Adam's like when he really likes Ali would you date him?
Would you though?
Like the character?
Yes the character.
No he's just like a little.
Why?
I might I don't know.

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Really?
We'd have to exist in real life for me to answer that.
He's just a nice endearing character.
That's the term I use to describe him endearing.
He is memorable.
Yeah.
And he is more memorable than the protagonist.
Everyone is more memorable than Abhishek.
But actually even like reception wise in terms of critical reviews.
I think Ali received the most praise for his acting.

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He was like the standout star.
Abhishek and John of course but like people praise him a lot.
Also spoiler.
Ali never gets a girl.
He does in the end.
Not any other not sequels never.
Oh really?
Oh really?
Oh no that's a big spoiler.
That is a big spoiler.
Why not?
Alright in that case I change my.

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Because of your question.
In that case I change my answer.
I will date Ali.
You just like dating people you feel sorry for.
Oh call that on the podcast.
That is very clearly.
Oh no one else is dating.
He's lonely.
I'll do it.
I'll bite the bullet.
He's undateable to everyone else.
I'm sure I'll do it.

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Alright let's go back to the plot shall we?
Alright.
Okay so we have Abhishek's character.
He's like this assistant deputy police commissioner type of guy.
Assistant commissioner of police.
Yeah and has the nicest of the bungalow in Mumbai with that salary whatever.
Yeah an amazing house and amazing office.

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And straight off the bat we learn that he's like you know he plays the invincible hero trope.
Nothing he's like good at fighting.
He's good at crime solving.
He has a beautiful wife.
Yeah.
She's pretty hot.
We get like a quick dance like a lengthy dance number right from the get go to that establishes their relationship where he like hoses her down.

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They have a backyard with Astro turf.
And then he there in the backyard dancing about loving each other and he whips out a hose and just sprays her down and she loves it.
And I would get so mad if anyone sprayed me with water like that.
She goes through a lot of like spicy outfits.

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Sex sells I guess.
Yeah and also if you notice when that song begins they're only looking at her body for most of it and her head doesn't come in until like they start singing like he's just kind of staring at her body neck down.
It was very objectifying.
Yeah.
I think that was that was a time when in both of them that like it has been just like forever.

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I just like action movie always includes sexy scenes.
Yeah.
It's like like how transformer had what's the name?
The actress.
The very sexy and hot lady.
Megan Fox.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But anyway and she speaks very bad Bengali like with a very weird accent something I would never.

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Yeah.
You guys wouldn't pick up because yeah of course.
But yeah she's speaking Bengali with a very weird accent.
Yeah.
So yeah.
I just want to say I want to eat her carrot souffle.
So what is this carrot souffle?
It's kind of it's kind of reduced milk and ghee and ghee or butter.

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Like reduced milk and ghee and butter and the carrots are just like soaking all them all of that in and it's a dessert.
What do you call it in Bengali?
It's beautiful.
Gajar ka halwa.
It's a halwa.
Gajar halwa.
And Gajar ka means like off carrot.
Like halwa off carrot.
I want to try it out.
I can't imagine.
I want to eat that so bad.
But it's not it's nothing like a souffle.

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I don't know why they translated that.
What is a souffle?
I don't know.
It's not like it's more like a pudding right.
What is a souffle?
It's like a puff pudding.
Souffle is like pudding.
Yeah it's like a puffy pudding.
Oh okay.
No.
This is like more of like a kheer.
Like it's a mince.

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It's almost minced carrot like a very thinly sliced carrot mushed together and like bound together with creamy goodness.
And buttery goodness.
Can you make it?
I learned how to make it.
I never made it but it looked very easy to make.
Can you do it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sure.

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Alright.
Next episode we're gonna taste Kelly's Carrot Souffle and report back to you.
Yes.
And then half of us never come back.
We're gonna be eating while we do the next podcast.
Yep.
That looks so good and they kept talking about it.
I love carrots.
I think carrots are delicious.
And carrot cake is like my favorite cake.

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And when they're talking about carrot souffle I've never heard of it before.
Oh it sounds so good.
It doesn't have any carrot flavor.
Sorry.
It has the texture though.
Yeah it has the texture.
It has the texture of carrot.
No not texture.
It gets like a little bit.
Like the crunch.
Not the crunchiness because the crunchiness goes away.
You bite the carrots though.
Yeah you bite the carrots but it's...
You bite the carrots.

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No you fucking snorted.
So anyway she makes really good carrots souffle and...
Wait.
Yeah.
So what happens?
So yeah.
So in the midst of this whole movie there's like a motorcycle gang.
They like to do heists.
I don't know for whatever reason.

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For money.
For money.
Because they're evil.
And Abhishek's character is in charge of solving this crime.
Like who's behind it.
At first he finds out that all signs lead to this motorcycle whiz character.
Who did the character?
Ali.
Ali.
Who's like...

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He has like this hype.
He has like a bunch of bros who hype him up.
And like he's like a star motorcycle racer.
Yeah they rig racing and he races his motorcycle.
Yes.
And also he has this side quest where he needs to find the girl of his dreams.
He really wants to have a family.

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He wants to have a family.
He's not horny.
He like literally wants like a family.
Yeah.
He's horny for a family.
I think he's horny but he thinks he wants a family.
And so Ali's character is like the sidekick if you will for this movie.
The comic relief.
The comic relief.
And Abhishek, initially Abhishek thinks that he's the guy behind all these hides.

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But then while interrogating Ali they find out that it was like a group of people who we later find out is led by this man.
This good looking man I might add.
Hmm Winnie.
By John Abraham.
And they all run a pizza place.
Like they're employees at the pizza place.

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And I will add that they're like probably the most attractive pizza place employees.
That pizza place would be so popular.
I'd be at that pizza place every day.
I'd be there every day for sure.
People just are like lining up around the block to see these hot pizza dudes.
Because like John is obviously the hottest but like the rest of the sidekick is also pretty good looking.

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And it's not just like you know like in other action movies where like they're just faceless henchmen.
Like each of his cohorts they have like a lot of screen time.
So they're all good looking.
We get like there was one guy named Rohit or something like I think Doom fleshed out the characters in a way.
Yeah Austin Powers is in the pizza shop.

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Austin Powers.
What was the other one?
Oh god I forgot the name.
The one before Austin Powers.
It's just a prince.
It was a prince?
Oh yeah it was a prince.
But then I guess the whole movie is just them trying to like it's like catching a thief to catch a thief.
Yeah it's cops and robbers and you know they're like stealing money.

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And we need to talk about the scene where he like trashes the car.
Yeah so like one of his cohorts like brings in like this Toyota convertible.
Wow Nicky knows the car model.
Yeah pretty good.
Toyota convertible and oh it was a Honda.
Honda convertible.
And like I don't know out of like John Abraham just wanted to show who was wearing the pants around.

(31:27):
So like he drove the they all drove the car to this like huge cliff.
And he just says like he tells us like his part his his his cohort was like with him right in the car.
And then it's like you got it you have to jump now.
And then the guy jumped and then as soon as and then as soon as he jumped he revs the car and then also exits a la GTA.

(31:52):
And the car just like falls off the cliff.
They jump out of the car the car falls in the ocean.
In the ocean or something which is a foreshadowing of things to come.
I guess.
Yeah and he's like we have to be like the shadows.
Like we can't be seen.
We have to be distrared.
We're thieves.
We're waiters at a pizza place.

(32:14):
Don't drive convertibles.
And then literally everything he does after that is completely contradictory.
He calls up the fucking police chief and is like hey what's up.
This is my voice.
I am going to challenge you.
I'm going to be better at you and like do heist before you can catch me and I will tell you the location of the next heist.
So he completely like immediately is not a shadow and just is directly telling the chief of police like where their next heist is.

(32:41):
He's not being very good.
And like there was even that one scene where he like the bad guys figure out that Abhishek was the one trying to catch them.
And then we have the scene where like he calls he called John.
John calls Abhishek's right.
And then say we're going to hit this next place up.

(33:03):
And then as soon as Abhishek gets there.
What was the first person he bumps into a blind man.
Wearing a wig.
And it was like the dumbest thing ever.
Like you wouldn't suspect a thing.
But like just the way it was presented it was just it just come on.
It's obvious.
It's like no one looks like that.

(33:24):
Why people usually don't approach you and are like help me.
So while watching that I thought Abhishek knew that that was just kind of like you know like a little right.
You would think he's smart.
But he was so obvious.
He's one of the dumbest ACPs I've seen on screen.
You don't understand how he got his promotion because even when he's told the locations of the heist he fails and does not catch them.

(33:48):
Yeah.
Because yeah it was about the money and then yeah I don't want to keep on screaming at the screen like look at the money.
If it's the money there after this just just just stare at the money that then you were safe.
Right.
The the John Abraham calls him up and he's like hey this is where the next heist is and it's a big musical number like the next heist is at some weird charity dance off thing.

(34:14):
And Ali gets up on stage and he's dancing with everyone and Abhishek is in the crowd.
So even though he knows that the heist is going to happen and he could call all his cop buddies he could surround the place you know maybe have higher security.
He just stands in the crowd instead like a dipshit with all the other crowd members unable to do anything if a heist even occurred.

(34:37):
And then when they're like hey guys we have all this money from that that we raised for the charity and it comes out the ground out of the stage and it's all empty.
And then the bad guys kick down false speakers I guess and then like dump oil all over the ground light it all on fire and then just drive through the crowd.

(34:58):
That was pretty cool. It was very cool.
Yeah, but as a cop I feel like if you know there's a heist going on just go to where the money is and look at it the entire time and make sure no one takes it instead of being in the crowd.
I don't think he's taking a preventive approach but like he was on fire and he still fought so give him some credit.
But don't you think I mean I know cops usually are preventative and just shoot things later like he does in this film but like I just like if you're told where the heist is and you're like I'm just going to say it.

(35:27):
You're like I'm just going to stand here and wait for it to happen and then shoot at the bike.
I love how he just shoots down on people all the time.
He like gets one hit. He gets one hit and then misses like.
Oh yeah that was the final scene like he could target his hand and then he misses.
That is true.

(35:48):
Yeah, when he's like on the boat he like shoots the hand.
So far, like, I don't know like with the handgun.
And then he can't hit anyone else except when he wants Ali then he keeps shooting Ali.
He's like come on Ali let's go come on Ali as he's like shooting at Ali.
I think he became a better cop once he stepped down as a cop.
Interesting.
When he plays a drunk.
Oh yeah that was the foreshadowing of Happy New Year.

(36:13):
Right so Abhishek completely bungles the heist that he's told about and he's like I give up my badge.
I'm out of here.
Sorry.
And then the team.
Sorry what?
We're talking about the heist at the Dune concert.
No I'm talking about the musical performance that he bungles.
So he then he quits.

(36:34):
Yeah but then they also had like a falling out right?
Yeah a huge fight that got recorded.
Oh yeah so talk about that yeah.
So he had a falling out with Ali.
This is very important.
Yeah.
I swear to god this is important.
The thing that really threw me off.
So like yeah they bungled.
They bungled up the heist right.
And then like they just had a falling out and I guess we're supposed to see that you know every everybody caught movie there's there's going to be a well most of them will have like a moment where the two are two heroes will you know get into a fight and go their

(37:10):
separate ways for a bit and then they'll team up for the climax.
So while that was happening John Abraham gets this funny idea that okay they're broken up.
So why don't I recruit Ali into our ranks.
Right.
They fight and then he's like I will bring Ali to join my team and help steal and that's I don't know any other mechanics even though I live in the underground.

(37:34):
Yes. Right. And then that's when we find out that the girl that Ali was trying to get with is also on the bad guy scene like where did that come from.
And it's also the one who sings do much.
He's just everywhere.
And this is the thing that's so prevalent in doom is that she explains that I do all this to distract you guys.
They're always steps ahead of each other all the characters are always steps ahead of each other.

(37:59):
Yeah, this is really important.
Here is one thing.
Later, I wish I kind of insinuates that like it was his ploy that he had like a fight with Ali so that kind of recruits him.
But here's the thing.
I mean, how do he how does he know just because he shot one of the members.

(38:23):
He means he would recruit another member because during the whole heist there was no specific role of the gang members. They're all doing the same thing just running away with the money.
So how does he know he just needs he needs to replace him.
And okay, we know that he replaced Ali maybe because he's a mechanic because that's what John says that who's going to do right job because he was unique.

(38:48):
So he's a mechanic. So how does Abhishek knows the brand new like the one of the good like robbers he shot down was a mechanic and they will recruit Ali eventually doesn't make any sense.
No, Rohit dying was an external factor.
Like it wasn't part of the plan.
And also him dying was not part of the plan. But he's saying that okay, he got hit.

(39:21):
He got the punch for real. But you you are the person who got hurt.
So it's like saying that oh good good is always two steps ahead of evil like he keeps on repeating this stupid phrase.
And then yeah, so as if like he had it in mind that if they split up, John will somehow recruit this guy.

(39:44):
Yeah, and they don't when they recruit Ali, they don't use him for mechanic jobs.
He just is a prince at a hotel with a woman that hates him.
And he's not good at acting least likely like a prince entire group.
He's like he cannot speak even English. He cannot do anything.
He cannot like he's the least prince like person in the whole group.

(40:07):
He's the worst person you could pick for that one specific job.
You can't even stop talking about robbing the rob doing the highest when he's in the casino.
Yeah, he's the guy we need him.
He's so good at being a mechanic that we need him to pretend to be a prince at this casino so we can steal the money.
But you know, I like that he's always nice. He's nice and friendly to everyone.

(40:30):
But when people try to mess with him, you see like yeah, like the toughness comes out a little bit.
That's very good. Did you like him in the clown outfit?
Yeah, that stole my heart. Yeah, but I think that's when I found it the most sexiest.
That was funny. Yeah, that was really cute.
Like he's staring at me. When he's undercover, when he's undercover as a clown,

(40:53):
he's undercover as a clown and has like a headphone and a microphone sticking out of the clown wig.
It's like an undercover clown.
The biggest head microphone piece I've ever seen.
Like what is that? Like, wasn't there that bad?
That point of time, like those years like there were like already Bluetooth headset like, right?
Yeah, this is like a 90s kid spy equipment that they're using to like case the joint.

(41:21):
I mean, everyone can know, understand that they're there.
Police undercover just just sticking the place. Yeah.
So they go to go to the resort to do their final robbery,
which is which I can easily explain as look up Happy New Year.
It's just it's just instead of Dubai, it's go up the movie.

(41:45):
Yeah, but Doom did it first. Yeah, Doom was the original.
So they rent a special room. Ali lives above the vault.
And they are all. Yeah, they asked for that room.
Yeah, it's lucky number for Prince or something. Room 101.
They want to make a baby boy and the zodiac.
The astrologer told them that they would be able to conceive a baby boy.
Oh, I forgot that part. Oh my God. Yes, Winnie. Yes. Yes.

(42:08):
You know, when hotels are like, why did you choose this room?
You're like, because I want to make baby.
Because I want you tell the owner, yeah, I want to make boys specifically.
Hey, man, I need to make a baby boy. Don't worry. It's not a girl.
This is legal. Can't be in 102.
That would lead to a girl. We don't want that.
That equals three. And that means girl. Oh my God.

(42:32):
So they do it. And then Abhishek is plays drunk. Yeah.
So drunk. Can't even know what whiskey he wants.
Yeah, he plays a very bad drunk and the bad guy is the bartender.
Yeah. At this point, bad guy doesn't know that Abhishek knows who he is.

(42:54):
But Abhishek knows because good is always two steps.
That's true. There's a lot of like being two steps ahead at this point.
We're like the bad guys. The bad guys think they pull off the high successfully,
but then they get exposed on camera. Yeah.
And they reveal like there's a scene where Abhishek and John are just sharing each other.

(43:17):
It was like with each other about like how they're always ahead of each other.
There was a very cute gay moment between them, like when they were walking side by side.
And then they were like, oh, I could have been a good friend to you.
You could have been a good friend of mine.
They keep talking about how we could have been friends. Like, dude, fuck each other already.
So that's the part that pissed me off because that's when like cuff him.

(43:39):
It's like this huge thief that you've been trying to catch for so long.
And you're going to take a little stroll together and talk about how if you were a thief, I'd be your friend.
Oh, if you weren't a thief, I'd be your friend.
Like, what is this? You want to go see a movie together?
And then I really wish I didn't have to arrest you right now because you have really kind eyes.
You're so smart. Instead of like arresting him.

(44:01):
Fucking Abhishek reveals that Ali has been working with me this whole time.
Yeah. And then Ali in danger and puts Ali in danger.
And what happens next? They turn off the lights and the bad guys escape.
They have they changed their outfit while leaving.
Not wearing helmets, too.
Oh, yeah. So a helmet is a big, big, big, big part of the story that I realized.

(44:24):
And another reason why we hate the protagonist and love the antagonists.
I was at least that towards the beginning of the film because the antagonists are always with the full gear.
Like they're running. They're driving high speed motorcycles.
So there can be accidents and everything.
So they are wearing all those pads and everything like protective gear and helmet.
And the good guys never wears helmet.

(44:47):
Whereas the film like the film like flimsy T-shirts while running the motorcycle.
And that's absurd. Like, why? Why?
Like you're a police. You should wear helmets.
And then it's we find out that they were actually wearing helmet, not for the safety, but to like to hide their identity.

(45:09):
So later when people know like who they are, they don't bother to wear the helmets.
So that broke my heart. That broke my heart. Yeah.
I'm so sorry. Yeah.
The heart that you had to see their face or that you couldn't see their face earlier.
No, because because I realized that they were wearing helmet to hide their face, not for the safety.

(45:31):
Yeah. And Kelly has always been safety first.
Even when we do this podcast, Kelly keeps saying safety first.
That's why we tape these pillows to our head when we record in case we fall down.
Our heads are protected. And that's the most important part.
And I appreciate every time we watch a movie, Kelly points out what is safe or dangerous that I'm willing to bet that Kelly Sano bike either today or yesterday.

(45:53):
And did not wear a helmet. How many times I lost my helmet for being a pillion rider to bike taxes.
And I felt great. And then later at some point, I lost that helmet somewhere.
That really breaks my heart. It really hurts that you're doing that out of looks and not safety.

(46:19):
Do you remember in one one of the chase scene like Abhishek shoots one shoots John Abraham and John knows exactly when to duck.
And like he ducks and the bullet goes through Matrix. Yeah.
And then hits the bike in front of him and the biker falls down and John with very one on strength.

(46:41):
Yeah. One of the very he picks up that guy and this guy is on home because he was wearing the protective gear and helmet.
Sorry, guys. All right. If I'm on a grab motorbike or if I'm on a motorcycle taxi, I don't like to wear helmets.
No, no, Adam. Everyone used to wear helmets. Safety first. Everybody.

(47:06):
I'm going to be honest with you. One of the reasons I shaved my head was because of like when I ride a bike and wear a helmet, it messes your hair.
And so like I didn't want to deal with that anymore because it hurt like it.
It's difficult to ride your bike with a helmet on and not get helmet head. And that's shitty.
It's a helmet head like when you're here is all messed up because of the helmet.

(47:29):
You know, because I used to just have spiky blonde tips three years ago and the helmet always ruined it. So I had to just shave it off.
Yeah, I look like Paul Walker. Yeah. This movie did inspire me to make an appointment for my bike. Really?
Really? Yeah. Are you finally doing it? I'm doing it next Wednesday.
I watched the film in the morning. I'm like, yeah, it's time.

(47:50):
So you're trying to get your motorcycle license.
I'm taking a two hour practice course and then I'm going to take a sit down for a test and then are you going to an agency?
Yeah. Like I mean like a little school, a training school. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So I have to sit through the lessons in Thai. I hope I can understand it. No, no, even they have English subtitles.
What do you mean? No, no, this is like actual. Like I have to write the bike actual bike riding course.

(48:16):
Yeah, but but the lessons have English subtitles. Yeah. I just hope the test has the test is in English.
It is the test is in English, but it's very bad English. Yeah, I've heard that it's really bad.
Yeah, it had like double negative and like you don't know, like it's a yes or no question.
And the sentence had double negative. So you don't know, like whether to put yes or no.
You definitely know the question was along the line of like whether a driver should take sleeping pill before driving or not.

(48:44):
For even you definitely know that is a no.
But but the way the question was put, it was like kind of double negative. So you don't know whether to put yes or no to make the driver should never always take pills.
True or false? Like something like that. And I was like, what the like and I did it wrong.
I'm just saying. So Adam has a bike. He doesn't have a bike but has a license.

(49:07):
Those had to ride. I'm going to get one soon. Nicky, you're left and then we can start our own little gang.
We'll do the next podcast while being on bike. How many do movies are there?
Three. Just three. No, you don't need me. No, no, no.
We're going to do Doom 4. We're going to film Doom 4. We are Doom 4.

(49:28):
We'll do the podcast while being on the bike, wearing those headsets that the police were wearing.
I'm committing a heist while doing the podcast.
Yes, I had to take the motorcycle course to get my license here and they just give you a random automatic bike.
And there is like one difficult part where you have to like ride on like a rail and not fall off on either side and stuff.

(49:54):
And then otherwise, it's just stop and turn and whatever. And then yeah, that it's easy.
And so I took the course and I was nervous, but it was fine. It was easy.
And when I finished, because you're with all the other people that are applying that day,
I was the only foreigner because I was up in the suburbs when I was doing this.
When I finished, the whole Thai staff that worked there like was clapping for me because I was like a big dumb white guy.

(50:18):
And they were just like so proud of me for doing the motorcycle obstacle course.
And everyone just was like clapping. That sounds like a Bollywood moment. Yeah.
And I was like, I guys, I'm not that dumb. Like I can do this.
Mine was like pretty tough for the written part. Like I failed the exam twice.
And the third third goal I could answer. I got like forty six out of fifty, like forty five.

(50:40):
You have to score. But you have an American license and you are converting into Thai license.
So for the driver's license, you have two separate licenses, one's for motorcycle, one's for the car.
If you have an American car driver's license, you can switch it to the Thai car one.
But I had to take the so I did that. But then I had to take the motorcycle course and test to get my motorcycle license.

(51:04):
Now, my Thai driver's license was six months expired.
I found out. Oh, no, sorry. It was over a year expired. And I just completely missed it.
Yeah, I had to retake the test. I failed the written test twice, even though like I practiced over.
Both of you failed twice. OK, you cannot be part of our game. It's super hard.
No, but but but the practical test we we we I passed it the one go.

(51:28):
So I drive every day. Yeah. So I feel like a perfect.
So I remember like the practical test, then like there were like four stop sign and hidden behind like the tree leaves.
Like one of the stop signs was like weathered out. It's the bunch of one.
Yeah. And then I saw people failing in front of me and the the the person who was coordinating the test,

(51:50):
he was telling me, look, there are five signs. You have to stop five times. Remember that.
And I kept on noticing all the five signs because even the people are failing.
They can see like where the five stops are. So I did that.
And after the stop signs, there was like those real media player.
You have to drive across like a snake and then then that real thing.

(52:12):
So out of all the stunts in the film, which one do you want?
You think was the coolest and you didn't want to learn how to do.
I need to finish this DMV story.
I failed. I failed the car written test twice.
Well, like twice in the same sitting because you can fail once and try again,
but they don't give you the same questions that you took the first time.

(52:34):
So it's impossible. And I had taken the test over and over again.
I practiced, but the questions are really hard.
And then, yeah, they give you a brand new set of questions and I failed that again.
So I come back down. I was working with an agent. I was like, I failed both times, man.
And she's like, OK, fine. Come back next week.
Someone else will take the test for you and then we'll just get the license.
And this was the agent, not the not the car company.

(52:57):
I was like, fine. I think it was like a thousand baht, which is like thirty dollars.
I show up a week later and she's like, hey, here you go.
Your test is done. You got perfect. Come take your photo.
Are you? No, it's not legal, but it was with an agency like they.
But but obviously they're using the department.
They know someone there because the other thing is when you take the test, they use your thumbprint.

(53:20):
They they they scan your fingerprint now.
So I don't know how they did it, but somehow like they registered under my fingerprint, took the test.
And now I'm really I found a very obscure blog website
which had all the possible questions and answers.
And I kind of first day like I read that I read the traffic rules one

(53:42):
and then went to the window, went to appear for the test. Oh, my God.
There were like car maintenance question as well, which I was not prepared for.
So I failed next day. So after one test, they asked me to come back next day.
Next day I come back. I that evening I study a lot for the car maintenance part.
So I'm like, OK, now I'm kind of confident I'll pass.

(54:04):
And then I see that they feel terrible English in the question and I don't know what to answer.
Then I feel again. Then I was about to leave.
They were like, no, you can appear once more today before going back.
I was like, yes, this is my final chance to show prove myself that I'm a good, worth, worthy driver.
And you're safe. Yeah. And I'm not going to hit people.

(54:27):
So then then I was like, I passed the test with flying colors. Wow.
Forty six out of 50. I'm so proud. Yeah.
And then next day I passed the driving test in one go. So proud of myself. So impressive.
I just think it's funny that five minutes ago we were talking about being safe, but here we're talking about cutting corners.

(54:48):
Yeah. Also, like pay someone to take a test for you. You don't need to do that.
I'm the one doing all the anti-safe measures.
I'm the one that pays someone to take my test and I refuse to wear a helmet when I'm a passenger.
Kaili obeys the rules. Yeah, I obey the rules. Yeah. I fear upstairs we have wildly different opinions.
I'm totally in support of heist, but road safety. Yes. So yeah.

(55:15):
So if we can do the heist as long as we wear helmets. Yes. Defend yourself, but steal. Yeah. Steal the bank, but be safe on the road.
I mean, I agree with that. I don't want to die after I rob a bank. Yeah, of course. I don't like where this club is going.
Are we in the gang or not, Winnie? I mean, after you said that you are okay with doing a heist, I think you're welcome back in.
Yeah. It's not morally wrong. Not unethical. No, no, no. And goodness is always two steps ahead of evil.

(55:43):
And it's better to rob a bank than to rob a person. So that's why we'll always be ahead of the police.
The only one heist I was not in favor of was the chief minister relief fund. Like that was like a good cause. Yeah. Usually used for like flooded area, like natural calamity or other stuff like that.
It was not a lot of money that they stole either. Right. Yeah. It was like a few lakhs, like a few millions of one point seven million INR, which is like divided by seventy.

(56:11):
So maybe like 100,000, like 100, 200 thousand dollars total. Yeah. No, no. The money from the relief fund. Yeah. Total. Yes. Two hundred thousand.
Yeah. So you split it up with six people. Yeah. It's not that much. I mean, the bikes cost way more. I don't know.
I couldn't I couldn't balance with their like risk taking where they can die, where they have like these huge expensive bikes. We got to stop working at this pizza place.

(56:41):
We got to steal enough money so we never have to work at the bikes. The bikes were like so expensive.
Like when they lose a bike for stealing money, like you can lose a bike because you don't know like who is going to pull is going to shoot you like definitely they're going to shoot you.
I mean, Rohit died because that incident. Was it worth it? What are you stealing? Like a few hundred thousand dollars.
Like that that didn't gel me well. Like still more. Still a few million dollars at least. I think they tried.

(57:09):
Well, they tried that with the the New Year. The casino. Right. Yeah. The casino. So how does it end? Because it doesn't even end at the casino.
That's what we need to get to. Yeah. Let's get to the ending. Oh, yeah. Because the casino is not the ending. Like they're taking a little stroll and then another twist. What happened?
Like I said, they're always one step ahead of each other.
Like Abhishek reveals that Ali has been working for him all the time this whole time.

(57:34):
And then, you know, John John John's gang managed to escape. So now they're this this the bad guys are after Ali.
Right. Who's he who who's tying up the girl and forcing her to marry him?

(57:56):
Him, which is yeah, he's like, she's tied up and he's like, tomorrow when we marry guys, you guys are making the sound so bad. It's bad. It's objectively bad.
It's so she was tied up in a truck and he's like, tomorrow when we marry and she's like, I don't like you.
Yeah. So in the end, when she leaves everything for him, it's Stockholm Syndrome. Correct.
It's Stockholm Syndrome. But as Ali is about to be shot by the gang, you know, in comes Abhishek and on the boat and he shoots, you know, shooting John's head.

(58:27):
Because what's better than a truck, but a boat and a boat flies out of the water to shoot them right about this.
Like there are smart thieves. They're using fast bikes. And then their escape car is like a huge truck.
Like the whole money was fitted on a five suitcases and a hotel trolley.
So they could. OK, yeah, they could fucking ran away with with that car that John Abraham wasted, Kavir wasted.

(58:55):
They put all the money in like five briefcases that fit in the trunk of a car.
And then to carry the money, they're in a gigantic truck where it's it's in it's in Goa, where the streets are very narrow.
Because Ali Ali took the money there, right, because he had to take it to a safe spot.
So he took the money to the truck. And then that's why they just had to like, to be honest, the trucks was being used earlier for to the bikes to escape.

(59:22):
Yeah, right. Right. But the bikes in as well. Yeah.
So I think they didn't have anything else there. But then the boat coming on land was really dramatic.
They're on the boat. They throw a what's it called? A grappling hook kind of latches onto the truck anchor.
Yeah. An anchor. The truck is driving in the boats on the street getting dragged behind.
They have a big Matrix two reloaded type fist fight on top of the truck, which is actually impressive.

(59:47):
They were doing cool stunts on top of the truck. They were fighting pretty well.
It felt like Royal Rumble. I felt like I was watching Royal Rumble in WWE where it's like if you if the opponent leaves the ring, they lose.
Right. That's how you lose.
So it's like whoever like just falls off the truck for a sleep.
They're like, oh, I had pulled the whole nighter. It was a rough night. I'm just going to sleep.

(01:00:10):
But we noticed like a lot of quirks in the truck chase, the truck fight scene where there's like you see the production crew blocking the road.
And you also see like the bystanders in the background watching the.
Yeah, there was a one shot like you could see the production crew blocking the road at the big bear off focus.
We were pausing the video. They didn't blur it or anything.

(01:00:35):
And I was like, wait, is that production crew?
To be honest, in the defense, it was a time when the film was not that easily available to make pause and look and analyze.
No bullshit. This was DVD era. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's DVD era. Yeah. Fuck. No. Yeah. It's unforgivable.

(01:00:56):
It was very easy shot to not use or like just just just wash it like just just.
But no one can see it. Yeah, it's fine. But you guys did. I was glaringly obvious to me.
Yeah, I don't did. And then like, I guess, you know, we have this like Abhishek gets all like ninja, so to speak.

(01:01:17):
And then Ali is also like suddenly strong and manages to like throw almost everyone out the truck.
And then he manages to stop the truck and we get like this one final chase sequence where John Abraham is like escaping on motorcycle.
And so they drive. They also got motorcycles from the trucks, supposedly.

(01:01:38):
No, I guess they got the from the production crew. The production for gives them motorcycles.
Yeah, that's it. And this is the first time Abhishek is riding a motorbike instead of being a P.V.N.
Right. Yeah. And then major character development.
He can finally ride a bike. They they finally chase John to this like big open field and they're about to sandwich him.

(01:02:03):
I remember one scene before the sandwich. John is like they start from behind of John.
But after a while, when John was escaping, Abhishek Bachchan is in front of him.
Just out of nowhere, even though it's a complete opposite direction. Yeah, it defies everything.
I didn't hear enough to notice that. At this point, you don't even question these things.

(01:02:25):
There's been enough absurdity. Yeah, I'll go on to that.
That's what I was telling Adam yesterday after watching the film.
And then they had this like gay moment where they just look at each other and they're like, see, I told you, I'm a cop.
We could have been best friends, but you play in.
The police always catches the thief and then John is like, well, yeah, I'll pass by you and you wouldn't even notice.

(01:02:47):
Yeah. Famous last words. Yeah. So driving away from the field.
So so so so so Ali and the protagonist, the chief of police, they're on their own separate motorbikes.
They came out of nowhere.
And in between them is the bad guy, John Abraham.
Right. And to his left is a big mountain range that is vast because there's a lot of land he could go.

(01:03:19):
And on the other side of him is a cliff with the ocean.
And he decides I'm going to go towards the cliff.
And in order to escape these two guys who are chasing him in this big, vast, vast acreage of land,
he just heads towards the cliff and flies off. The money flies out of his backpack.
He like looks back at that at what could have been his best friend.

(01:03:43):
And then just eat shit as he hits the fucking shore, a very shallow beach.
And he just eat shit in the rocks. His bike goes in there and he just dies.
Well, they assume he dies. He's dead. So I watched the whole.
I was like, what the fuck is this? I was like, what?
I was like, surely there's like a trick and like at the end of the credits, like he comes out of the ocean.

(01:04:07):
He has money or whatever.
Wait, did he really die? Because that's part two of our three.
He's not in it. He doesn't come back.
He doesn't come back. It's a totally different. That's so dumb.
He has no he has no on the bike. He could have out drove.
Could have flown away. No, correct.
It's not a trick. He did the other way.
Yeah, he's like he's pointing down at the ocean and hits the NOS.

(01:04:32):
So he just flies straight in the rock as quick as possible.
He used the NOS. That's why he's. Yeah, that's why he couldn't think straight.
Yeah, I think everyone in this film took some NOS. Yeah, they just misused it.
I mean, he was huffy NOS because he's like overconfident over the last heist.
So they used up the NOS at the party night.
He chooses death and he could have very easily just ran away.

(01:04:53):
But that could have been the best chase sequence at the end where like
he tries to like fly like run away from these two cops and these like
where Ali could shine finally like he's racing abilities and being the first champion
in every race that OK, he's like beating him because because John
Kabir, the character's name, he beat him in the race. Right.

(01:05:17):
So this was the final chance of the call for the redemption to beat him
in the chasing because, yeah, so the filmmaker doesn't give the good guys
any chance of like winning or anything.
Maybe John Abraham was not willing to come back for part two.
So they're like, we have to kill this guy because just kill the character.

(01:05:38):
Just just he runs away.
Arrest him or run away.
Like all the money is gone and he just kills himself.
Like and you can the whole thing is about being one step ahead or two steps ahead.
But maybe for a thief, that's more dignified.
Right. It's still on your terms.
Yeah. But if you had no chance to run away, there was like a huge ground.

(01:06:00):
You have a fast motorbike.
You know, you have defeated this guy in a bike race before.
And the other guy doesn't know how to ride like a sports motorbike.
He never rode. He was always a pillion.
And you are like a champion of motorbikes.
You can easily run away from them.
It's not like you are cornered.
So that's what I was.

(01:06:21):
That's when I was telling Adam that this how Bollywood films we perceive,
like when we grew up watching Bollywood films,
not most of the Bollywood films were not grounded at all.
They were not realistic at all.
Like we are pulling out this points of this film is like so many things they could have done.
But most of the films, even even the disco dancer, right?

(01:06:42):
Like like playing the guitar without the chord.
But then suddenly the plot, the huge plot point is he gets electrocuted.
While all other songs, his guitar was never plugged in.
So these things like Bollywood films were never like grounded.
They were always about the spectacles and what you carry, take away after the film is like those few moments in the film that was like that stood out.

(01:07:08):
So I was telling him like how I remembered after after throwing away the car from the cliff, John comes out and lights a cigarette and walks away.
That was the that was the image I remember from the childhood like, oh, wow, such a cool scene.
And then I remembered that, OK, John was cornered at the end and kills himself instead of like what you said exactly, right?

(01:07:33):
That he chooses dignity over getting caught.
I had that emotion. But when I see it like in realistically, he could do whatever, anything else apart from like killing himself.
Maybe we give him benefit of doubt and we assume that Abhishek's words really got to him.
Good will always be two steps ahead of evil. He could have run, but Abhishek would always catch him.

(01:07:57):
And that was one of that was one of the last lines that Abhishek said to him also like, I'm a cop. You're a thief. Like you run.
I catch you. It felt like Tom and Jerry at some point. Quite honestly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Tom never catches Jerry. It's just yeah. But Jerry just kills himself to avoid the chase altogether.
And then we go to the end scene and all of a sudden, Tata Young shows up. OK, so we have to get to that.

(01:08:23):
Yeah, sorry. We're completely blanked about that. Tata Young.
She's she sings Doom Doom English version. So Tata Young, right?
Like at this period in time, right? She so Tata Young in the beginning, right?
She was like a teen pop star in Thailand, in Thailand. She's like this teen teen pop star in Thailand.
She makes like the most innocent songs. I don't remember the titles, but she has this like squeaky clean image.

(01:08:49):
And right around when she reached adulthood, which is when Doom came out, she's you know, she started singing Doom.
And what's very noticeable with this with this song is that like she she she reinvented herself into this like sex symbol, if you will.
So it was Doom song that launched her as a sex symbol. Yeah. Yes. Yes.

(01:09:14):
Correct. She has a very clean image. And then like it's not just Doom.
Doom is a very popular song, right? But around the same time, she will.
She also had hits like sexy, naughty, bitchy songs. She's not clean. But it all happened at once.
I think like Doom kind of put that in motion. But like that Doom was the one that put in motion.
And then later on, she made that song. And then late and then around like 2007 or so, she had like this single called El Nino.

(01:09:42):
El Nino where she's like in the music video, she's like in lingerie.
And like it was and then like Thai, Thai at the time, Thailand was like in shock.
But like, you know, this is too spicy for TV. But that's that's Tatayang for you where she's like Doom.
It's Doom is where it all started. Right. Was she like the Britney Spears? Exactly.

(01:10:03):
That's how people like the Britney Spears. Yeah. So you could easily say like this was her toxic era.
Yeah. After she did like the oops, I did it again and maybe one more time.
I think she became like a superstar overnight with this Doom hit. Yeah, you hear it everywhere.
So during like I never seen Doom until until now. Right.
But like during like when I was in elementary school, you would hear Doom. Why didn't you? Did Thai people watch Doom?

(01:10:27):
Yeah, it wasn't theater. So I was just too young and too stupid to just like most Thai people would know the song.
Like I don't think you'll meet a single type of people who doesn't know the Doom song. But of course, most most would not have watched the entire movie.
I don't think it was distributed in Thailand. It was. It was still a very popular.
I remember it was still a big deal. Thai Indians have seen it. Right.

(01:10:50):
Yeah, I watched it when I was young and I think I think more Thai, some Thais might have watched it also because of the song.
I think Indian media is pretty popular in Thailand. Mostly like the TV series.
Like also like the the the classic not classic, like mythical mythological stories.

(01:11:14):
I've seen I've seen I've seen people watching them in Thai dub like all the time, like when I travel around in Thailand.
But I think this might be the first time that like Bollywood has such a close crossover with Thai culture.
I think it's like one of the first. Yeah. At least like in our generation.
That was the era in Bollywood when they were like getting pop stars from other countries to like like other cultures to perform for Bollywood songs.

(01:11:44):
Like, yeah, so they had few others and then Tatangang was one of them.
I don't even know. I tried to find out like find out how or why she ended up in there.
There's like no information. So much time to find out why she got picked for the soundtrack.
Yeah, nothing. I couldn't find any information. I think I think it's just like regular way like her agent.

(01:12:06):
Oh, I have a theory. So her real name is Amitabh. Like Amitabh Marie Young. So Amitabh Young. Right.
And I was like, maybe because her name resembles Amitabh. That was my theory.
You think they went through a phone book? No, I think that they found this girl.

(01:12:27):
She might have been one of the contenders and they were like, you know what, her name is so similar to Amitabh.
She's a lucky charm. And I can see Indian people doing that because they're superstitious as hell.
So like I can see that playing a role in the final decision. Amitabh. Amitabh.
To be honest, it can be right. You know, like what I'm saying, like while it sounds like arbitrary of the weirdest of the weirdest reason, but it can be true.

(01:12:54):
Like so when I used to shoot in India, like a few short films when I was shooting, there is a thing like if you shoot a dead person, you have to shoot a shot.
Like you don't have to use it, of course, where they come to come back to life, you know, so that like it's not a lot.
No, no, no. It's a it's a it's a superstition in the film crew.

(01:13:16):
Like if you shoot someone dying, you have to do a shot that you don't use later that they're waking up from the dead.
I would love to watch all the footage of every dead Indian actor coming back to life in the real stock.
Actually, you should should do that like stock from the film because because digital age, it doesn't matter.

(01:13:40):
I'm like, OK, I just rolling the camera because I shot in digital age.
So, OK, they roll the camera. OK, you wake up like that.
But in film era, you have specific film stock. You have like limited supply of film.
So if people dying and then you have to use like, OK, you have to think of it like, OK, if people are dying, I have to look at a stock.

(01:14:03):
Part of the stock for people waking up from the death.
John Abraham, come out of the water. We need to film you coming out of the water.
I thought he lives. We see him die. We see dying.
For example, Rohit Rohit dies like there is a dead body. He's dead.
So that kind of shot like John is like, I mean, we we we it's like most probably he died, but we don't see on the camera that he's dead.

(01:14:31):
So we need like a screen saver of just, yeah, like dead people coming back to life.
We can still have doom for and John Abraham comes back.
It's you know, I would not put that past the franchise one bit or you.
I mean, this is what you want to do.
There was a film where we're making it. We could be film where John Abraham plays a role who has a near death experience.

(01:14:53):
Like, is this a horror film? It's kind of horror.
What's it called? I forgot the name.
I watched it when I was young. I think it's a rip off of some Hollywood film.
Maybe. I don't know, because at that time, like Bollywood was ripping off like films left and right.
They ripped off Primal Fear. They ripped off many other films.

(01:15:15):
Yeah, they ripped off Usual Suspect.
So, yeah, I mean, there was there was this film where John Abraham is like had a near death experience.
But was it before? I think it was after Doom.
Wait, Primal Fear were like they get raped in a Catholic church.
They remade that.
Primal Fear is that is Ed Norton getting raped by a priest in a Catholic church?

(01:15:42):
No, the crime is different. But the way he's like he's a bad guy, like who plays into his mental illness to do the crime that that thing.
I mean, they would change the plot points.
It's not like shot by shot remake a scene by scene remake.
They keep the main storyline and they kind of remake the story in Indian context.

(01:16:04):
For good luck, too, if they film like a bad rapesheet or something, then they film them getting kissed on the forehead afterwards to know it wasn't malicious.
For good luck.
Yeah.
So there is like since this is on the topic, like Bollywood had this thing of like when women like mostly like sister of heroes and everything, sister of heroes, usually your mother of heroes are getting raped.

(01:16:35):
And so they kill themselves to keep the prestige.
The sister of the rape victim?
No, sister of the heroes usually like these are other people like the hero never gets raped.
I have no idea where this is going.
Like daughter of a mother of the hero or the sister of the hero is getting raped and to save their dignity.

(01:17:00):
They kill themselves.
Or like their family member kills them.
They're killing, they're killing something.
They would be the bad people, quote unquote.
No, not bad, quote unquote.
So they would be the bad people.
But they kill themselves.
That sucks.
Yeah, so that was like, that was a huge discussion.
Like when we were growing up, like,
why are we showing that they are getting undignified?

(01:17:24):
Because that's the cultural mindset India had, right?
And so you should show progressive values for people to adopt.
So that's why like...
Yeah, instead of punishing the rapists,
the victims should just kill themselves.
Yeah, I don't know.
Hero would punish the rapists at the end for sure,
but they just kill themselves because they got raped.

(01:17:47):
Yeah, I hope they don't longer do that.
That is very old school.
No, on screen?
No, no, no, they don't do that anymore.
That's good.
Oh, one interesting point about this movie, Doom,
is that it actually inspired an actual bank robbery in Kerala.
Kili, I don't know if you know about this.
The Chalembra bank robbery.
I hope I'm pronouncing it right.
What is it called?
Let me go over there.

(01:18:07):
Chalembra.
Chalembra.
Chalembra in Kerala in 2007.
Wow, was it successful?
Yeah, so they did the same thing, like in the end heist of Doom,
like the final heist at the New Year party,
they make a hole in their room, right?
And then they go down.
So they copied the exact same thing.
They robbed the bank robbery.
They robbed the bank in Kerala.
They got away with 80 million rupees.

(01:18:30):
That's a lot of money.
And they got away with it initially.
And then there was a big investigation.
And like about a year later, the police caught them.
But once the police caught them, the gang leader
admitted that it was inspired by Doom.
So it actually made headlines for that.
I love it.
That's wild.
Yeah.
We were just joking about the blowing.

(01:18:50):
So Happy New Year is based off a true story.
And that true story was actually inspired by Doom.
It's all connected.
We are so strongly justified.
What dumb hotel would have the room above a vault?
That was a bank that they did.
They just followed the same thing of making a hole
and then setting someone down.
A bank can share a building with a hotel?

(01:19:13):
No, other rooms.
I don't think there's any.
It can be other rooms.
It can be like an empty office.
I love that he's old.
But I think it's hilarious that at the confession,
they were literally like, yeah, we got the hotel.
We got this from Doom.
I had no idea how to enter into a vault.
I didn't know that walls connected until I saw Doom.
The defense lawyer in the court showed, oh, this is what
this man grew up watching.

(01:19:35):
He's innocent.
A whole generation of bank robbers, they're like, oh,
if I-
He grew up watching Doom.
So it's not his fault. It's Indian media's fault.
I would have never taken the money
if I knew if I didn't know that walls connected.
But then Doom shows me that if I just cut through a wall,
I can access the other room.
And I didn't know that.

(01:19:56):
Thank you, Doom.
Doom is amazing.
Whatever.
We're going to watch Doom 2 and 3 later.
Yeah, we have to.
I don't know if we'll record about it,
but I think we just need to watch it just for the sake of it.
Yeah, well, if we watch that shit
and don't record a podcast about it, I'd be so angry.
No, we have to.
No, Doom 2 is actually, again, I don't know.
I watched it when I was young.

(01:20:17):
So Doom 2 actually, I think, has a tighter plot.
Killy says it's because they're sexier.
But there's no John Abraham.
There's Hrithik.
Oh!
There's Aishwarya.
Oh.
So this is the funny thing.
Wait, so she's married?
Is she married to Abhishek in the movie?
Yeah, she was about, no, no, no.
She was about to get married to Abhishek
when Doom 2 was being shot.

(01:20:39):
Being shot.
In real life.
In real life.
They were about to get married.
And on-screen chemistry of Aishwarya and Hrithik
was like top notch.
And they already had Jodha Akhbar, another film,
done where their chemistry was so good.
And Abhishek was so jealous or something.
They were not allowed to have kissing and stuff like that.

(01:21:01):
And I think the film also removed a kissing
from when Amitabh Bachchan objected to it
or something like that.
Wow.
So she played the love interest of Hrithik, not Abhishek.
That is so awkward.
Of course she's, she, she.
OK.
She's out of, she's out of Abhishek's league
is what Killy is trying to say.

(01:21:23):
Yeah.
Yeah, in films, like, OK, wait, no.
This is unbelievable.
Although, actually, actually.
Doom aspires to be realistic.
And this chick is way too out of his league.
We can't do that.
She's missed, she's missed.
There is one film where Abhishek plays,
like, Abhishek and Aishwarya is an on-screen couple.
Abhishek plays this Indian, like,

(01:21:45):
it's a character inspired from this Indian industrialist who
started Reliance Industries, like, Ambani.
Ambani family, like, the person, Dhirubhai Ambani,
who started the Ambani business.
Like, Abhishek plays that character.
And Aishwarya is his wife in that film.
But it's a very grounded film.

(01:22:05):
And then, like, yeah, very realistic looking.
So, yeah, I mean, there, but not in Doom.
For sure.
There's also conspiracy theory.
I think it's interesting for just those.
The Aishwarya is, like, she's married to Abhishek
just because that's more socially accepted.
But she actually has a relationship
with the father Amitabh.
But of course, like, the age gap is too much.

(01:22:26):
So, like, she just married Abhishek
so that she could get him into the family.
Because the dad's dick is that good?
Like, what?
Because the dad's like the father of all.
It's kind of, this humor kind of started
because there was a film where Abhishek was the hero.
And Aishwarya has an item song, like,

(01:22:47):
an item number where it's like a guest appearance,
haughty song.
Kind of like she's a dancer.
And Amitabh also has a cameo role in that.
And they share a screen together, like Abhishek, Amitabh,
and Aishwarya at a dance performance.
And it was a very catchy song.
I love that song.

(01:23:08):
The film is also good.
And in that song, Aishwarya has way better chemistry
with Amitabh than Abhishek.
So, I mean, to be honest, like, I mean, the story was like that.
Because Abhishek already had a love interest in that film.
And Amitabh is just like a random guy who's
just sitting on this dancer.

(01:23:29):
So, and yeah, but whatever.
Like, he has a better chemistry with Aishwarya.
So from there, it kind of started the rumor
that, oh, it's him, it's not Abhishek.
And also, like, it sucks when your dad keeps
picking up your girlfriend.
It's also like, yeah, Abhishek got always
shadowed by his father's.

(01:23:50):
Like, yeah, but it's too big of a legacy to fight.
Yeah.
I mean, Abhishek was not, Abhishek was not,
according to Bollywood, like Bollywood legacy,
like he's not a megastar material.
He's a good actor.
Abhishek is a really good actor.
But he's not a megastar material.
I wonder how much of that just comes down to appearance.
And you guys brought this up also

(01:24:11):
in the beginning, where you're like,
the villain is so much more attractive than the protagonist.
How much of-
No, then you see, it's not only look.
Because if you think of it, Shah Rukh is not that good looking.
I mean, he has this charm.
He was not, like, when he became super hit.
I think you might have just offended so many people.
No, no, no, no.
Shah Rukh's fans add-

(01:24:32):
He's like Bollywood.
He looked better as he ages.
Yeah, yeah.
He just like-
Shah Rukh's fan has been, most, like,
a lot of his fans have been admitting to this fact.
And they kind of take pride in that, that, oh, this guy was
not, like, so good looking when he started his career.
But he still became a megastar because of his charisma,
because of his skills.

(01:24:53):
So there you go.
Like, Shah Rukh was not that good looking.
But-
He was still fair skinned relatively.
I mean, not in his first film.
But after that, he got fairer and fairer progressively.
Yeah, maybe he was put in fairly lovely.
Amir Khan is in Doom 3.
So we have to watch that too.
That's bad.
That's bad, worse than Doom, in my opinion.
I don't know.
Keeley always says that Amir Khan's

(01:25:13):
one of his favorite actors.
But you've always hated most of his films.
I think I kind of expect a lot from him,
because he has delivered really good films.
Yeah.
Which we're not watching.
We have to watch.
Rang De Basanti, you've got to watch.
Because that would be really good in context
of the CEO murder that kind of riled up

(01:25:35):
the whole internet and the whole world.
Because I was telling, yeah, Bollywood
has been the stories a lot where the protagonists shoot up
bad people who are in power position all the time.
And in that film, they kill the Home Minister of India.
The heroes kill him.
Home Minister of India, yeah.

(01:25:56):
And if you want to watch another Abhishek film,
there's Dostana, where he plays a gay couple with-
I've never watched that film.
What's the other?
I don't know who his co-stars are.
He's not a gay couple.
He's not.
He's just trying to be Priyanka Chopra.
They're pretending.
It's a really good film.
They're pretending.
It's kind of homophobic to some degree.
To rent a house.
Because they have a young woman in the house,
they don't want to rent a room to bachelors, guys.

(01:26:20):
So they pretend to be a gay couple to rent a house.
OK, that fits my theory that Amir Khan looks like Tom Hanks,
because Tom Hanks' first TV show was
Buzm Buddies, where him and a fellow guy friend pretend
to be women to live in a female dormitory.
She's talking about Abhishek Bachchan.
OK, never mind.
But yeah, this is, yeah.
We should watch that.
That's a very good movie.

(01:26:41):
We should watch how homophobic Bollywood could get.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, for sure.
We had a Happy New Year, guys.
We had a sneak peek in Happy New Year.
It almost feels like they're trying
to introduce gay topics, but in a homophobic, straight man
pretending to be gay for a woman kind of thing, which is, yeah.
That's how queer I was when men were first getting acceptable
with gay men in America.

(01:27:02):
We're like, queer is cool because the gay men
are helping me pick up chicks.
So as long as the gay men help the straight men achieve
their goal of getting laid, they're cool.
And then otherwise, they don't like them.
So then the statement is, you don't like lesbians.
Yeah.
OK, so anyways, we got to work and stuff.

(01:27:24):
Nicky's getting anxious.
Let's go.
Any other final thoughts on Doom?
You mean Doom.
Doom.
Doom, Doom.
We need to ask Doom?
Doom?
Wait, wait.
Can we all just pronounce it right before we close this podcast?
Doom.

(01:27:44):
Doom.
Doom.
Doom.
Doom.
I am Punjabi.
No, can you tell me that I say it better than both Nicky and Adam?
The best.
Doom.
Doom.
Doom.
Doom.
Do different.
Yeah, see?
OK, whatever.
White boy beat me.
Sorry, I'm better at speaking this than you are.

(01:28:07):
I don't know what to tell you.
All right, bye.
Bye.

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