Kaun? (1999)

🎬 Who Dunnit? Horror, Laughter, and Cat Kicks in Kaun! 🎬

▶ Watch Kaun (1999) on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqxyvNxW3KA

In this spine-tingling, edge-of-your-seat episode of Fear of Stairs: Desi Films Decoded, we unlock the mysteries of the 1999 cult thriller “Kaun?” and oh boy, do we have some questions!

Join Winnie, Khilli, Adam, and Nicky as they unravel a film filled with:

・Serial killers—or are they just annoying houseguests? We’ll dive into why you should never open the door to strangers.

・The weird obsession with horse statues—what’s up with that decor choice?

・A tale of dubious gender politics and bizarre behavior. Who’s really bonkers in this house? Spoiler alert: Everyone!

・The iconic kitten moment that made us rethink our stance on vacant-eyed psychopath vs. innocent victim—trust us, it’s a plot twist you won’t see coming.

・Our own experiences with home break-ins—hearing about Khilli’s childhood made us jump out of our seats!

With its tight 90-minute runtime (that still somehow felt too long), and a twist ending that left us all befuddled and begging for more (or less?), “Kaun?” is the whodunit film you never knew you needed in your life.

So grab your salted toast and a cup of coffee—because this episode is one wild ride of thrills, chills, and hilarity. Hit that play button and let’s dive into the madness together!

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Hi, I'm Kili.
Hi, I'm Kili.
Hi, I'm Kili.
I'm from India and I love watching films and yeah, I love films.
Why does this intro get harder every time?
We had stuff in the beginning.
Let's try again.

(00:20):
Let's try again.
Yeah.
Kill me, sir.
We'll be right back.
Welcome to Fear of Sarah's Desi Films Decoded, the podcast where four friends from different backgrounds unlock the world of Desi cinema.

(00:41):
I'm Winnie, the Desi who's never been to India.
Hi, I'm Khilli. I'm from India. I love watching films and I love watching films on my mobile phone.
I'm Nicky.
I'm from Thailand and I love watching films from the TV.
Hi, I'm Adam. I'm from America and I like watching films at the drive-in, how it should be seen in a car.

(01:05):
We watched a cult classic. It's a con.
Kaun?
Kaun?
We had a whole week to learn how to pronounce this.
I
think it's, we should explain like how the sausage is made for this because it's very funny how we kind of like walked backwards into the cult classic.
Right.
Cause like, we were just like picking, like we were picking the next movie and we didn't want to spend a lot of time on it.

(01:28):
Cause like we, you know, these movies are two to three hours long.
So we're looking for movies that were like an hour and a half.
So it wouldn't take too long.
And yeah.
We like, we're searching and searching and found this one.
And it's like, yeah, like 30 or 90 minutes, psychological thriller, 1999.
You knew the director before, right?
Yeah.
So it's made by, directed by Ram Gopal Varma and like script written by Anurag Kashyap.

(01:53):
So both big names.
So, and around that time, Ram Gopal Varma was making like amazing films.
Satya was one of them, came out in 1998 and,
It was like a really cult classic, particularly acclaimed and was a massive hit.
So I thought this film would be a really nice one.

(02:15):
And then Anuragasha also has a very good way of writing writing.
And Ramgubal Varma is also known for that
So I was like, oh, it's a nice combination
So it should be
It would be an amazing film
Yeah, so we were like, sure, let's just go for it
It's 90 minutes, easy, we can all watch it
And then

(02:35):
And then I was like really worried
Because we were trying to find how to watch it
And, you know, we watch everything very legally here
and it wasn't on any streaming service.
I wasn't able to find it even on Usenet.
I have access to every movie if I want.
I could not find this.
I couldn't find it with subtitles.
And then I was worried,

(02:56):
no one's going to be able to watch this.
No one's heard of this movie.
No one's heard of this movie.
like no one's going to be able to watch this.
If like,
we're talking about it,
like,
should we change movies?
I'm like,
no,
it's too late.
Let's just keep going.
So we watched a copy on YouTube,
which we will put the link in the description.
Cause there is no other way to watch this film.
So we watched it on YouTube.
Um,

(03:29):
um,
and we saw it and then we're like,
that's interesting.
And then we looked it up and then I was like ranked as like one of the,
you know,
the top psychological thrillers from India,
right?
Like a huge cult classic.
Everyone really loves it.
Uh,
and we kind of discovered on accident,
but that's kind of the joy of it.
And it made me like,
Oh cool.
Like Gen Z knows about this.
Like other people know about this.
Like we can talk about it,
but it is,
weird because consensus around it was very different from when we first watched it.
So I don't know how to approach this.
Yeah, I think we didn't actually really like it when we started watching it.

(03:53):
We were like making fun of everything that was happening in the movie.
Like we were just we wouldn't shut our mouths up.
It might have hurt that we were all watching it together.
Yeah.
it was me,
Kelly and Nikki watching it together.
Uh,
and we were like enjoying it,
but it was,
and,
but it's not just that,
like,

(04:13):
I do agree with all the reviews after reading it and stuff.
Yeah.
So I,
I actually,
so one,
one of the things that I noticed,
about myself after we watched the movie
is that I actually went home
and then I started looking up things
about what makes it so good.
So when we see the movie as called classic,
we think that, oh, it's going to be a masterpiece.

(04:35):
But then I think that it's called classic
for other reasons.
Just like the...
I don't know.
The best way to explain it is
the movie is done on a low budget.
We read that the movie is done in 15 days.
There's a lot of...
uh,
film techniques that the director utilize,
like the filmographer utilize.
And then there's like the whole single setting thing.

(04:57):
Uh,
everything is done in one setting,
everything.
Usually there's like long ass,
uh,
takes.
Uh,
and you know,
I think that there's like the whole cheesy,
like there's like a B movie esque vibe from the movie,
which I think some people would kind of dig.
And I think,
I think after like,
after we watched it,
we can't,
I guess for all of us,

(05:18):
I guess we understand why it's an interesting piece of cinema,
pretty much.
But like I was saying,
when I went back home,
I realized I was gushing about it to my brother,
to my partner,
and I realized that,
oh, I was making fun of the movie in the beginning,
but if I'm talking about it,
like all this much,
then that probably means that I did like the movie.

(05:40):
It left an impact.
It did leave an impact.
Yeah.
It left a huge impact.
It was interesting.
And I think for the time period,
1999,
it's,
it's spot on.
And like,
the psychological thriller part,
it is on par with what else was going on.
And I should say,
um,
we're going to spoil this movie.
Okay.
But maybe we should just put like a spoiler tag.

(06:02):
I'm going to say it.
I'm saying it right now.
These are the spoiler tags.
Um,
uh,
this movie has a twist.
Um,
Most people have seen this movie. The twist is pretty famous. The movie's very old. It's 1999. If you're afraid of any of that, go watch it on YouTube with the link and come back and listen to it. Otherwise, we will spoil this. You can't talk about this movie without talking about the twist.

(06:25):
So we're just going to go forward with that.
So I had
a very different viewing experience because I didn't make it to your watch party,
Adam.
So I just watched a movie like right before recording this podcast on 1.5x speed.
And I can't believe I did that.
It's the first time I ever did that.
So right after the filming, Nikki told me to watch it on 2x speed.
He said it was good, but watch it on double speed.
And I didn't think I would actually do that.

(06:47):
But that was the only way I could watch the movie before we actually recorded this podcast.
Yeah.
And I enjoyed it, but
I don't know.
I'm waiting for fans to completely tear you apart.
You're very brave for saying this, and I wasn't going to bring it up.
I have to bring it up.
But people are going to be so mad
that you saw this in 1.5.
Well, it
definitely impacted the experience because I could tell that it was not as suspenseful, for sure.

(07:09):
It was a bit more humorous just watching them
speaking like
squeaky voices really quickly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I think
like
it's
not
scary when it sounds like Alvin and the Chipmunks.
Like, yeah, no shit.
I think it's more interesting to watch in that speed,
though.
I mean, it's all the good things.
Go on.

(07:29):
It's all the good things.
One of the things like while watching the film, I was telling that it feels like it's a very well-made student film.
And then it's like a script for like a half an hour to 45 minutes movie.
And then someone dared the director.
Like you cannot make like this film for a feature length.

(07:50):
And then it was like a dare thing.
And it was like, for me, this film would have been a really solid, tight film.
film if it was like around 30 to 45 minute film then it would have been like with all
these twists all the build up of the suspense and everything it would have been really like
I would have liked it a lot because I really felt it stretched a lot uh repetition of things a lot

(08:16):
Yeah, that's how long it took me to watch it, 30 to 45 minutes.
I think
that's what made it
such a perfect viewing experience.
So everyone that I talked to agreed that the movie could be a little shorter.
Which
is funny because I don't think it can physically be shorter as an Indian film.
Like, an hour and a half...
is like literally like we could not find a shorter film that is like it's got to be like a record and

(08:40):
it's way too long
and that's the entire basis for why we chose this film we
chose it because it was
short and it was too long
even
at 90 minutes it was way too long like
whether or not you
whoever's listening to this whether or not you agree like
there's just a lot of scenes
where it dragged on
a little too long
I'm very worried
I feel like this movie
we're gonna get like
dragged over the coals

(09:01):
for our opinion
no but
for real
like
if you wanna release a film
you cannot make a film
like 45 minutes
like if you're making
a 45 minutes film
it has to be an anthology film
and you have to put
two films together
which often directors do
like they release
two films together
as anthology
and like
Because if you're releasing on some big screen, you need that timing.

(09:24):
You cannot release a 45 minutes.
In 1999, there is no streaming service.
There is
no YouTube
or nothing.
No other distribution service.
So large short film concept was not there.
It's only short films and long
film.
You have to make it at least 90.
So they
had
to pad it out.
They had to hit 90.
They even have an intermission.

(09:44):
For a 90-minute film,
they have an intermission.
They try as best they can to be a big, proper film, and it's too long.
Yeah.
Should we talk about the plot and just kind of go over it, and then we can go into it,
just to get it out of the way?
Yeah.
It just begins in this...
So the whole movie takes place in this big...

(10:06):
I don't know if you guys want to say mansion.
It's a huge mansion.
It's like a mansion.
It's like you...
The whole movie takes place in this mansion.
There's a big living room.
There's a spiral staircase
that leads up to some sort of

(10:35):
attic...
attic room.
I don't know.
Trying to pronounce attic correctly?
Attic.
Attic.
Attic, yes.
What do you mean for
correctly?
Well, no, because he keeps saying it slowly.
Attic.
Attic, because it's the Brit
way.
I don't think it's an attic room.
I think it's just the
first
floor.
It's the attic.
No, no, no.
Like the upstairs,
where
she hides in the end.
That's the attic.
That's the attic.
There's also a kitchen.
And then you have...
This kitchen has a lot of windows, windows, windows.
yeah uh so basically yeah
this is really important plot point
no so anyway there's like uh there's a
lot of statues as well and i guess one one of the things that the movie does is like you get a lot of

(11:00):
these zoom up shots of like uh horses and and and and like conquistadors
yeah it's like an old
european style mansion and it's a
There's horse motifs everywhere.
Yeah.
Yeah, so many horses.
Yeah.
And also there were like some artifacts
or like a,
I think replica of artifacts
from Indian caves

(11:21):
and like old temples
and stuff like that.
But like, yeah,
but they don't play any role
in the plot.
But it's
just...
Wait, I didn't even notice that.
You mean like taxidermy or
like...
No, no, no.
There's like wooden
horse heads
everywhere.
Oh, okay.
Everywhere goes...
Those are the kind of details
you miss watching out 1.5.
I mean, they're...
they're showing it for 10 minutes at a time and so if you only have five minutes to look at the

(11:46):
scene it's hard to notice the big horse in focus but i understand it's
like all the shots like
there's something in the on the foreground okay so listen i can understand the cinematographer is
doing something like putting the character in between objects that they she's trapped kind of
framing and stuff like that
And all,
most of the time,
the foreground object is a horse,

(12:07):
like a face of horse.
It's always a horse,
but it's like horses on the staircase,
horse paintings,
wood horse things like everywhere.
And it's not really explained
and there's no symbolism to it.
I think there's just horses in the mansion
and he kept like cutting to it.
And I want to say when he did,
you know,
with the 1.5,
first of all,
I'm afraid you're going to use this for everything now.
Have you unlocked like a secret code like Killy did?

(12:29):
Yeah.
So yeah,
you have this big mansion
and then like,
there's a woman that's living in it.
It starts off with her being on the phone
talking about how when are her parents coming back
because I guess she's getting scared
from the thunderstorm,
the big ass rain that's happening outside.
And then she basically catches the news on the TV

(12:50):
that there's a serial killer out there.
A serial killer that...
seems to have modus operandi...
operandi.
Modus operandi, where the serial killer ties his victims
through rope and strangles them.
So then she sees that on the news,

(13:12):
and she gets this sort of paranoia
that there's someone living in this mansion.
And so we spend a good portion of the beginning
where she's kind of just...
walking around the house,
looking things,
like checking out corners
and under the bed
and behind curtains and all that
just to make sure there isn't anyone lingering.

(13:36):
Which, like, if you see on the news
that there's a murder
and you're looking under the bed,
I don't know why...
I don't know why you would think the murderer is inside the house with you.
Then you should probably just run out, right?
But there's
nothing to indicate that they're in the house.
She's watching the news and they're like, there is a murderer.
And she's like, it must be in my house, but why?
Yeah,
so I can explain why that kind of makes sense.
Because while I was growing up,

(13:58):
burglary and breaking in someone's houses silently,
not letting people know and silently coming on the...
top floor or something and then doing some robbery or stealing stuff was very common.
Like we had like a three-floored house and we had like break-in two, three times when
I was a kid at the middle of the night.

(14:20):
What?
Yeah, we had break-ins like the thief would come and like steal things.
Yeah.
So that happened
Wait, what did
they steal?
So we had like a temple kind of thing
On our third floor
And then they broke in
And then they took all the like
U-10 stills
Like it was like brass U-10 stills

(14:41):
In the third floor?
They got all the way up to the third floor?
No, they come from like the roof
That's horrifying
It's like Santa coming down the chimney
But bad Santa
Yeah,
a gremlin
Yeah, so
So that happened three times and then...
That's crazy.
Yeah, and then they would do steal from the window and stuff.
But that's not a break-in, but they were breaking like two times.

(15:04):
So sorry.
So while I was growing up, so if the house is empty or like no one is there
or it's like a middle of the night, I'm just going out to the washroom.
If I hear some noise on the top floor, I would be like very cautious and I would like...
tiptoe and go check like it's like all the locks are intact and stuff like that i don't know what

(15:26):
i was thinking was i was a kid like if
someone actually
broke in like i would be i wouldn't be
safe but i would still like go and check
i would be
horrified
yeah so so that that that fear part
i could understand like you know that happens
i just watch a lot of home alone and learn all the
Yeah,
I mean,
they give you the instructions right

(15:47):
there.
You do not watch Home Alone.
Home Alone is instruction.
I watched Home Alone as a kid.
And you didn't like light the
doorknobs on fire
and have a bowling ball hit some guy in the head.
I didn't have that much of supply in my place.
There's not
that many toys and guns and...
Like all this.
They had a nice toy gun.
I was always eyeing for that.
Yeah, and then all this bowling ball.

(16:08):
And I didn't have that many supplies.
So I was falling short.
Well, I'd be very afraid if I watched this movie
while living in that kind of environment
where it's very feasible for a break-in to happen
and watch this movie.
Yeah, and literally we see...
The attic room had the door open.
She goes at one point and closes the door, right?
So that's a perfect recipe for someone to break in from the rooftop.

(16:32):
Okay, so she has very legit fears and checks under her bed for the killer she hears on TV.
Very legit fears.
And then?
And then eventually, she goes to the kitchen, tries to cut a piece of toast.
Uh,
and...
Because she's eating salted toast.
Salted toast.
She cuts bread and puts butter on it and eats that.

(16:53):
I
think it's so funny that everyone points this out.
I guess it's so noticeable.
So basically, like, eventually, there's a man that rings the doorbell.
And it turns out, like, I don't know how we're going to call this character, but I usually call him Glasses.
Sure, that's fine with me.

(17:27):
But the woman insists that this is Mr. Gupta's house.
And, you know, he has his suspicions that it's the right address because, you know, he said, why else would Mr. Mahotar give this address?
And we have this little back and forth for the next...
few moments in the movie where he's just kind of like going up to the doorbell and she's just trying to go get half her salted toast. And he's just like saying like, Oh, can I come in? You know, it's raining outside. And then she tells him to like stay in the car. And then like he says, Oh, why didn't I think of that?

(18:05):
And then he'll keep,
he keeps coming back.
And like he said,
Oh,
I'm so hungry through the window.
See,
this is important.
The,
the kit,
the wind,
the kitchen window,
he goes in and said,
I'm hungry.
So she quickly preps up a sandwich,
a cheese sandwich.
And I'll be honest,
like the film buff in me thinks that I don't,
I didn't see a part, a point where she put in cheese in the sandwich.

(18:26):
There is no cheese and she throws it out the window.
You're downplaying how annoying this guy is.
He's really annoying.
Yeah.
I didn't mean to downplay, but he's fucking annoying.
Like we have this.
It's like a constant back and forth.
It's like you just have.
He just keeps coming back again and again.
Yeah.
He's
the most annoying guy on the planet.
Like if you can imagine like the most.
inane like pushy like he's like why don't you let me in keeps knocking keeps calling her ma'am

(18:53):
she's watching tv and he's outside and knocks on the door and says can you open the curtain so i
can watch the tv too and starts like singing outside when she doesn't he's just so incredibly
off-putting and so incredibly annoying that you hate him
But that's what makes it a great character, right?
I think he's my favorite character in the entire movie.

(19:14):
Just like the way he talks, the way he...
It's basically there to let the audience think that this guy, something is off with this guy.
The whole movie is just like, is he the killer or not?
Which explains the movie.
The title of the movie is Gone, which means who?
Exactly, yes.
So that's
where it's coming from.
And like there's even like a moment where she like watches like MTV with like Aqua's Barbie Girl.

(19:41):
That's right.
They do Aqua's.
The only time it reminds you it's 1999 and not like a 1976 movie.
Watching it.
I hope Winnie caught that at 2xp.
No, I did not.
It's important.
I missed all the details apparently.
When you
listen to Aqua at 2xp, it sounds like 1xp.
She has like a normal voice.
What do you mean Aqua?
The
band Aqua.

(20:03):
Aqua.
Barbie Girl.
They're playing Barbie Girl on the TV.
She's from a
Barbie Girl.
Yeah.
That played
on the movie?
Yeah, he wanted
to watch.
And then that's when he pestered her through the window where he wants to watch some TV.
She's like, ma'am, ma'am,
that's my favorite alt-rock band right now.
Ma'am, ma'am, can you play the music video?
Ma'am, ma'am, he has a bald head.
We can do a duet.
You sing Barbie, I'll be Ken.
Ma'am, ma'am, I'll be Ken, okay?

(20:24):
I used to love the Aqua.
Yeah, that's so good.
I love it.
I love that.
Okay, I want to say that this guy was played by Manoj Bajpayee.
I mean, he has been a phenomenal actor in Bollywood.
He has
done really great, portrayed really great characters on screen.

(20:46):
His acting skills are top-notch.
I mean...
I mean, I think when the filmmakers were going for this film, I heard that this film was done unscripted, right?
Yeah.
So I think when they're going for it, I think he does this thing to make as annoying as possible.

(21:07):
I think he played really well that part.
And I wanted to kill him.
Get inside the TV and kill that person.
fucking guy like you know like stop that stop that shit
so if it's unscripted that makes so much
sense when he talks about how there's an art to making a cheese sandwich i just felt like that
line just like it's like you wouldn't you i don't think you can write that on the script like you

(21:30):
have to just think that on the fly i don't know that's
Maybe that's how I feel.
I
think he does a lot of tone shifts.
And sometimes he's very scary.
And
I do believe it.
He's very scary.
And he's super annoying when he wants to be.
Sometimes he's sympathetic.
I think he plays that well.
I do think he played annoying so well that I fucking hated him.
And again, the movie is so long.
And so much of it is him.

(21:51):
like just talking and being annoying that it is very aggravating more than scary
but one thing we
can agree on he's like a phenomenal actor
because like he made
all of us feel some type of way
right
like he
kind of triggered that discomfort that's good acting my
brother messaged me and he said
like out of all the characters this guy seems to have
he seems to be having a lot of fun.

(22:11):
That's what
my brother said.
My brother watched it too?
My brother watched it.
What do you think?
He loved it.
He loved
the movie.
He liked it.
He said that it is the...
I told him that
I think you should watch this one
because, you know,
my brother is like a horror buff.
Like,
he's like,
he has seen almost every single horror movie
known to man.
Like, like,
And I told him, like, maybe you should watch this like little cult classic of a film.

(22:34):
I think it's right up your alley.
And he he watched it last night and he told me, yeah, you're right.
I did like it.
Interesting.
I will
say the makers of this film clearly love horror, too.
Yeah.
And like you can see a lot of like 1970s Italian horror in like the motifs and like the mansion and everything like that.
story-wise or like cinematography wise,

(22:58):
it's like very clearly Sam Raimi inspired.
There's a ton of evil dead shots,
like a ton of like the camera,
like kind of being like an apparition or ghost,
like running along the ground or doing like all these like weird cab camera
movements and Dutch angles.
Like it's all ripped from evil dead.
And then like story-wise it's like psycho.

(23:18):
So they
take like Italian
characters,
horror with the setting, Sam Raimi
cinematography, and Alfred
Hitchcock plot, and
put it together in 1999.
You get Aqua, Barbie Girl,
in that mix too. It's kind of interesting.
Yeah.
This man,
the character, the glasses,

(23:39):
he's
bothering her. He really
wants to get in because it's so cold.
She reasons that...
One of the reasons she said that he
can come in is because
her husband is sleeping upstairs.
And then like, you know,
just to ward him off, right?
And then like,
what he did was that he told her

(24:01):
that he saw someone move upstairs.
So that played into her fear
of that there is someone in the house, right?
So she went upstairs
and she's terrified
that there might be somebody
And then she hears this crack in the window.
So she gets terrified, right?
And through the fear, she just unlocks the door for him to come in

(24:26):
so that he could try to protect her.
And that's the next level of tension in the movie
where she now brings glasses into the house.
Yeah.
That could be like, you know, we still don't know if he's the killer or not.
And as he's like getting comfortable in the living room, we hear the news report of the serial killer.

(24:50):
And then like, he kind of like, it's so funny.
Like he kind of like tells her like, you must think I'm the killer, you know, and it plays into that fear of,
And like all the while for us, the audience, we keep, we keep wondering, like, is it really him?
Well, and also he immediately tells her right when he gets in, he's like, I'm the one that threw the rock.

(25:10):
Oh yeah.
He did admit that afterwards.
Right away.
She lets him in.
He's like, Oh, by the way, I threw the rock.
And I didn't actually see someone.
And I just wanted to get in.
And he just tells her right away once he's inside.
And so then you are freaked out.
Because he's like, I know you didn't have a husband.
I made the noise.
You let me in.
Ha ha ha.
And you're like, this guy is a fucking

(25:30):
psycho.
And he goes and takes that spear kind of thing from the statue.
There's a knight statue
with an axe.
Right?
And
he can
pull it out.
And it has a spear tip.
for murder.
And for some reason,
he thinks it's a good idea
to, like, pull it out
and play around with it
with a crying woman
alone in her house.

(25:51):
And
actually, like,
after he demands
the coffee from her,
he also goes in the kitchen
and, like, pulls out
a knife at her, right?
So there's also this very, like,
intimidating scene
where it's like,
is he going to stab her or not?
And right now they hear the news.
So it's quite,
quite understanding
why she would think
that he's a serial killer.
And the gender politics,
thank you for bringing up
the coffee part,
because the gender politics
are crazy,

(26:11):
because, like,
he has, like,
he takes advantage of her as a woman having empathy.
She lets him in the house.
He immediately like throws his jacket on the aquarium,
sits down,
puts his feet up with his shoes on the table.
And he tells her to go make him
coffee.
And he
broke into her house and is like demanding coffee and stuff.
And he's such a fucking asshole.
Yeah,

(26:32):
that's true.
Cause like my,
my partner did point that out as well.
She was telling me like,
why is she just following everything that,
he's asking her to do.
And then I just,
the only reason I could think of
is like,
well, you know,
in horror movies,
people do dumb decisions
all the
time.
But it's gender politics.
Like he's being the man
and just demanding it
and she's just acquiescing
because it's like social norms.

(26:52):
Yeah.
It's also he's like a stranger
in her house, right?
Like you would expect
that he knows better
in order to make her feel safe,
but he's still taking up
as much space as he can.
And he's bigger than her
and makes that very well known.
And when he grabs the spear and stuff,
he is scary.
So what's she going to do?
he does a lot of like sus things.
Like he,
like,
like what Adam said,
like he grabs the spear and then chases her after it.

(27:13):
And then later says that,
Oh,
hang on.
I'm about to,
you know,
protect us from this man or like,
you know,
gaslighting her or through and through.
And then like,
he's some,
there's also a cat in the room in the house.
Right.
It's little Sherry.
It's like this tiny white kitten that the woman is looking after.
And then like,
He goes off on a tangent about how he used to have a lover that she's cowardly, just like our main character.

(27:42):
And then you'll see him being vulnerable.
And then the next moment, he kicks the cat and then says, she liked cats too, and
I hated
cats.
So there's always like this moment where you think that maybe he's like a nice guy.
Then no, he's a bit like, he's a bit loose.
He's like a bit screwed up in the head.
He violently kicks the cat.
And this is, I hate cats and I hate people that own cats.

(28:05):
My ex-girlfriend had a cat.
And she was just like, and they, we forgot to mention there's this,
music motif that plays every single time anything scary happened
so immediately boom plays the music and she's like oh my god it's the killer like he
hit my cat.

(28:28):
Basically,
Hitchcock vibes
throughout with that.
Yeah.
They clearly
overdid the music motive.
And it
was
very irritating
for me.
Like,
why are you playing that?
Yeah,
that's how we felt too.
Yeah,
I mean,
for
me,
it was already
a very intimidating
setting, right?
Like this empty house,
rain happening.
You could just play

(28:48):
with the sound design
and not play
those loud music
because the loud musics
were like,
distracting me so much
and like actually
taking out the suspense
from me
like
like
I mean it's a forced suspense
with the suspense music
so
it's kind
of taking
that seriousness
out of me
and also like
I was getting irritated
well that's the part of the script
I was

(29:08):
I was getting irritated like
You have a phone.
Why are you not calling the number that they're repeatedly telling you on the screen that,
oh, call this number.
If you see anyone suspicious, call this number.
Why this girl lady is not
calling that number?
Why do you think,
Kili?
Yeah, we find out why.

(29:30):
Several times
the news report mentions a number, but then she never calls that number, which
we'll find out.
But...
It's actually good writing.
Also,
like, her phone works, right?
Because she's on the phone with her family all the time.
So, yeah.
So, yeah, after the back and forth,
eventually, like, the electricity goes out in the mansion,
in the house, and then, like,

(29:52):
our characters are, like, fumbling in the dark,
and then, like, through...
The girl manages to light out some candles,
and that's when she discovers the kitty cat was dead.
It's killed.
It's neck got sliced.
It's neck got sliced.
There's an innocent white little cat

(30:14):
with his neck cut and blood coming out.
And she freaks out.
Yeah, she freaks out.
I freaked out because like this,
this is the moment that I won't,
I don't like the movie anymore,
but, but we have to soldier on.
So then like we, we keep on watching.
We keep watching.
So she freaks out.
Checking the time.
Like how much, how much time is left?
I thought this was 90 minutes.

(30:35):
So she freaks out and then she accuses glasses for,
for being the killer.
Yeah.
And through the panic, she opens the door again and we have a third character.
He's like this very stoic looking man who claims that he's a police officer, but he doesn't even look like a police officer.
He brings out like a gun and, you know, there's like this tension where like he forces the other two characters to sit down.

(31:00):
And to prove his identity, right, he calls, he uses the phone to call and then claims that he's like, his name is like Inspector Qureshi.
And then like, you know, there's this like sense of doubt among the characters, like Lasses accuses him, like, how will we know that he called the police station?

(31:22):
You know, he might have just pretended, right?
Because, you know, the phone is working after all.
I would say one thing
She has
a
phone
That's for sure
I would say one thing
Like
The way he was talking
She has a phone headset
She's like
a fucking operator
The way he was talking
This police guy
Like that's not how

(31:42):
Usually police talks
Like his
His language
Is
was very, like, thug-like.
Okay.
Right?
Like, the dialect he was using of Hindi and everything,
it was, like, very thug-like.
Oh, yeah?
Like, it's not how...
It's not a proper decorum, like, how a police would talk.
He doesn't act like it.
Like, he has a red jacket.
His chest hair is out.
He is drinking visibly in front of them with,

(32:04):
like, a flask.
He has nice boots.
He has nice boots.
He's, like, unshaven.
He's a mess.
Yeah, and he's drunk.
Yeah, and then they just like...
The glasses guy doesn't believe for a second that this is a police officer.
So they end up fighting over the gun.
And throughout the fight, the woman manages to get the gun from them.

(32:28):
and Glasses asked her to like,
maybe, you know, you should call,
call the police to see if it's really Inspector Qureshi.
And because the phone is really working, right?
As Winnie has mentioned quite a few times.
The dial tone is always on.
The dial tone is always on.
So she's...

(32:50):
So she calls the police station
and she actually finds out
that there is no Inspector Qureshi.
So then...
you know,
we find out that,
okay,
maybe this guy's lying.
Everyone's
lying.
Everyone
is lying.
So then like,
so then like,
the,
the,
the inspector Qureshi,
like manages to get the gun back.

(33:11):
And then he said like,
you know,
we might,
I don't know.
He claims that he doesn't know anything about this serial killer on the loose.
So he said that maybe Glasses is the serial killer.
So then he tells the girl to get some rope, which is like a very triggering word for our characters.
Music motif cuts in.
The rope that maybe this is the serial killer.

(33:31):
So as she runs off to get the rope, right?
What was it?
Uh...
glasses manages to like get the spear and stabs the guy into the abdomen and as as while that was
happening uh the girl manages to walk in with some rope i don't know where she got it from but then
like uh she's she spots him all bloodied up with the spear spear in his hand she freaks out and

(33:57):
runs up and then like uh you know uh
Glasses manages to say like,
alright, maybe I should get the fuck out of here.
So maybe I'll call the police.
And that's when we discover this major plot twist
is that...
Winnie, I guess you're wrong.
The phone isn't working.
Oh, no!
If you
watched it at one

(34:18):
speed,
you would have known this.
Oh, my
goodness.
Yeah, the phone isn't working
because the wire was cut.
So then it just dawned on us,
the audience,
that like, wait, then...
if the phone wasn't working this whole time,
then that means that somebody else must be in the house.
So then he actually goes up into the attic to confront her with the spear.

(34:39):
I think it was a spear.
I don't remember,
but he had a weapon in the hand.
He had the gun.
He had the gun in his hand.
And he assures her that like,
you know,
there's someone in the house.
I'm going to find out who,
but then for whatever reason,
there's another guy that like,
he hears this doorbell,
right?
So he,
then he goes down to check it out.
And then like,
she actually goes down
the woman follows after

(34:59):
she goes down
and finds out that
there was another guy
that was looking for
Mr. Mahotra
which means that
things don't add up
at this point
because
if that stranger
that rang the doorbell
said Mr. Mahotra
then why is the girl
telling everyone
that this is Mr. Gupta
so then something
doesn't add up
glasses goes upstairs and then manages to find like this long ass carpet like rolled up carpet

(35:24):
and what does he discover but a phone that isn't working i know it's a dead body a dead body of
the dead body of mr mahotra and there's a missing shoe
in the whole time i'm kidding it's from
the
murder movie we
see so many bodies and rolled up carpets

(35:47):
yeah
It's just like the common way to kill someone in these movies, I guess.
So then we find out that, oh wait, if Mr. Mahotra is dead, then that means, and then we had like your typical like, oh, the killer's behind me moment.
And it's actually the woman.
The old innocent woman, or not old, but the young sweet innocent woman that was in her house killed the owner.
And you see her just kind of like disintegrate into this young girl kind of vibe where she's like laughing.

(36:13):
Yeah.
That's the evil dead
part too.
Very psycho
level.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She does like this complete change of character, like psycho, childlike.
uh,
behavior.
Uh,
so,
uh,
glasses puts the two and two together.
And then,
you know,
we find out that,
Oh,
she is the killer.
So she chases him throughout and then manages to like chase him outside the

(36:38):
roof,
the,
with the,
the,
you know,
the,
the roof chases him to the roof.
And then like,
you know,
outright kills him there like stabs him in the back basically but then we have like this like
long drawn out moment where he like suddenly comes back to life and then like she manages to like
he he manages to like wrestle the uh the knife away from her and starts choking her

(36:59):
but not not before but before he could do anything to her like the
the fate inspector koreshi comes in to like stab stabbing them back with the spear and
and then making you think,
oh, great, now he got the wrong guy.
It gives us that misunderstanding.
But of course, that guy dies too.
She just offs him.

(37:19):
Yeah, which makes you wonder,
earlier, she had a gun
and was pointing it at both of them.
and didn't do anything and then later kills them both on the rooftop she hears a ring the doorbell
ring right goes downstairs they ask for that owner again and then all of a sudden you see her
personality turn and she stares at the camera and gets her weird freakish like joker if i look

(37:45):
And then, you know, okay, we're going to do it with the other guests.
And before that, she actually has another phone call with her mom, right?
And that's when she's talking on the phone and she puts it down and you see the wire has been cut all along.
So this woman is talking to nobody.
She's just batshit crazy,
like downright
batshit crazy.
I think,
I think like,
why,
so,
so,
so I had a theory

(38:05):
that like,
it kind of shows like
a kind of a split
personality disorder.
Like she
might have
like two personalities
like when she's like,
I mean,
both personalities
is crazy
because even when the,
quote-unquote the normal behavior like she's still talking on the phone which is not possible
because the phone is cut but and that's what that's was the character she was in when she

(38:30):
had the gun so she didn't kill and then it flips later and
but there was no trigger point or anything shown
because usually like in this kind of storytelling
where there is a split personality,
there would be a trigger point to change the personality, right?
So there was no trigger,
like it was maybe behind the screen,
like whatever is happening.

(38:50):
But yeah, I mean, like it kind of gave that vibe
But it was not explicitly told, which I actually kind of like that because we have seen like
so many films on Bollywood.
And even in the Hollywood, there was this film called Split or something
like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like that.
And it's a very common motive in Bollywood films as well, like Split personality.

(39:13):
And also don't forget, this was 1999.
So like you got 12 monkeys, you got Fight Club.
You have, like, the M. Night Shyamalan twist at the time.
Like, this was pretty current in the
1999.
Primal Fear.
Yeah, Primal Fear.
I love that
film.
This might be most of, like, When a Stranger Calls.
Do you guys watch that?
Where they're like, this call
is coming from inside the house.

(39:34):
And that's when they realize the killer is actually, like,
and that's a big plot twist as well.
And that's kind of what we saw here.
Yeah, it takes, like, the late 90s, like,
psychological split personality like oh it was actually me the whole time or like the usual
suspects twist at the end like they were just obsessed with twists at the time so one thing i
really liked it i like that keely mentioned that the the whole split personality thing is that

(39:56):
that's the question that i think is worth talking about for by the end of the movie is that do
the thing that we should be asking is so was she really the serial killer
absolutely
we saw her kill
two men on the rooftop
yeah
but then like
but then the news reports
say that
the modus operandi
it did not match
anything that she did

(40:16):
that's true
there was no ropes
there was no rope
involved
there was nothing
wait
wait
But still, I think the
movie,
when Mr.
Malhotra showed up dead,
I think the kind of messaging was that
she's the killer all along.
But she killed him, man.
She killed him, but I don't think she's the serial killer.
It's not outright explain
whether she's the serial killer or not.

(40:37):
But she definitely
does this as a hobby, right?
Because at the end, another man knocks on her door
asking for Mr. Malhotra, and she's like,
my next
victim?
Go back to the...
beginning when she sees all the dudes that she killed.
No,
yeah,
go back.
Before I'm going to get there,
right?
Like if you listen to the news report,
they said that the,
the,
the,
the serial killer has a habit of tying victims to the chair.

(40:58):
Right.
And then they also mentioned that the victim has a habit of knocking on the
door and asking to come in,
which is,
matches what Glasses was doing.
So then it makes you question whether, you know,
was Glasses really the person?
We don't know that.
Glasses never asked for the rope, though.
And somehow she had the rope ready
when the police officer asked for it.
But,
like, that's the thing.

(41:19):
That's what I like about the whole movie.
It just makes you question, was
she really
the serial killer?
And, like, we have nothing to go on from.
We just have to, like, fill in the
blanks.
Yeah.
You think it was a killer...
in the house that the serial killer then came into.
And then it was serial killer versus just normal killer.
Yeah.
Like that, that, that, that's my brother thought about that.

(41:41):
He thinks that way.
But then my partner thinks that there's like a, like what Kaylee said, that she's schizophrenic,
schizophrenic.
And so, and then
there's one moment in the beginning where we, we saw there's one, one
moment in the beginning where she like looks down at all the people.
she hallucinates
that there's all these victims

(42:02):
that were looking at her.
And then I managed to think that
maybe it's all the people that she killed.
But then
you can also think that maybe she's just schizophrenic.
She was dreaming.
Yeah, I know.
But maybe...
Yeah
Could be
I don't know
I mean like
I think Nikki
We had completely different takeaways
Because I had no questions left

(42:23):
By the end of the movie
I was like
This woman is the killer
Like that was a big plot twist
It just didn't make
sense to me
Why would the news report
Mention all those details
And then she just
Like all the people
That she's off
Like they didn't match anything
I mean like
Like I just think that
Like the whole point of the movie
Is to ask yourself
Was she really the person or not
But she definitely is psycho
Right towards the end of the movie
We recognize there is

(42:44):
Like even if she is
not the serial killer she is still schizophrenic right like she's been having phone calls with a
phone that had the wire cut the entire time she's kind of like going into this childlike mode where
she laughs and kills people for fun so even if
she's not the serial killer yeah she killed three
people in this movie she's already at least after

(43:05):
acting like she was in complete distress right like
there is definitely a she's schizophrenic she has a split personality regardless i'd say
I think the news reporter is kind of complicit.
He's giving wrong information about serial killer.
I think the news reporter is a serial killer.
And he's tricking everyone and telling everyone it's the rope to lure them in.
But actually, he's pulling the strings behind the scenes.

(43:29):
Or maybe he's her lover and he's trying to cover her up.
That's the thing with the movie.
I
like the whole...
The vision is there, right?
But there's just so many things that you're left wondering.
So many questions you want to ask.
But...
I guess there's never a direct answer.
I don't
want to conclude the fact that,
oh, maybe you interpreted your own way.
But I can't deny that I had a lot of questions.

(43:51):
Yeah, I think that's the
point.
But also, once you know the twist and then you rewatch it,
none of it makes any sense.
No,
it does not.
Why is she behaving like that?
Again, she has a gun on both of them.
If she wanted to kill them, she could.
I mean, sure, maybe she has a split personality
that doesn't kick in right away.
But then we have to talk about the cat.
because yeah glasses didn't kill the cat maybe she did but when she lights the candles and sees the

(44:21):
cat with the throat slit she acts surprised so then it goes in the territory that i don't like
which is movies that are playing for the audience and not for the actual characters in the movie like
did she kill the cat if she did she wouldn't be shocked if she's shocked then like
you know then she should be shocked but like if you're doing it for me in the movie then none of

(44:41):
this is real because it's all just like you know performances to manipulate my feelings but not
like actually
their feelings inside the story
that's very good point yeah
and that's like
the
issue i have it's like okay that's cool those twists are fun but if you go back and watch
fight club it all works yeah you know this one doesn't
Like, Mr. Glastis shouldn't be behaving like that.

(45:03):
She should definitely not be behaving like that.
I think everything was done to shock the audience
with
the twist.
Like a twist at the end kind
of thing.
I remember when I was like a...
Like we were in script writing class, like our script, like whatever, like whoever was teaching our script writing module, like he told us explicitly, whatever you write, don't write.

(45:33):
a twist at the end, please, for heaven's sake.
Like, I will not allow it, like, if you write a twist at the end.
Like, do whatever else you want.
Like, that was, like...
Because I think, like, he recognized the fact that, like,
this generation of people, like, grew up with, like,
watching these twists at the end,
and they're kind of hung up to that a lot.
And it actually kind of...

(45:55):
how do I
like
devalues a certain way
like the script
like the whole
like seriousness
of a film
like oh
oh yeah
it was just
oh you just tricked me
like
that's the thing
oh you just tricked me
like
I mean it's shock value
it used to work
at the beginning,
like when it was a new thing,
but then it was used and overused
and abused so many times.

(46:16):
So it kind of became like a redundant so much.
The only way it can work is if,
yeah, you watch it again
and the twist actually helps the second viewing,
not makes it worse.
Those are the
good movies.
If the twist just...
like reinforces the story again,
then that's fine.
Like,
that's cool.
Like,
like
six cents even does that like very well.
Like,
you know,
when you watch again,

(46:36):
it doesn't ruin the story,
but if you get to the end and then the twist negates everything you've just
seen,
that's like bad storytelling.
And when we watched the review or read the reviews,
they were saying like,
Oh,
the writing's really good.
I think what they must be referring to is that the structure is interesting.
Because dialogue is not the same as writing.

(46:57):
Wait, but if it's unscripted, was it even written?
That's my point.
If they literally all improvised it and...
I don't think the dialogue is good at all.
Like it's annoying,
but it's clearly improv and they're clearly padding for time.
The right, the dialogue isn't good writing.
I mean, if you mean like the story and the twist, I guess, but the dialogue is not good.

(47:19):
No, dialogues were like really, it was irritating.
Like it was really irritating.
So it's like, okay, that guy is irritating the girl, the lady, right?
but as an audience we shouldn't be irritated by the film right like that's that's the thing like
you know if you want to bore like you are you want to watch you you want to show in a film boredom

(47:45):
you shouldn't bore the audience if you want to show like irritation you shouldn't irritate the
audience to the point like okay at this point like i'm like okay kill that guy already like you know
like
i i would kill that guy like a what the what the hell is going on like he's getting on my nerves
as well and and and her behavior at that point because we at that at the beginning or at the

(48:10):
till till the twist turns out right like we don't know that she's the actual killer right
and her actions doesn't make any sense right like why you are not calling the number like
That's the simplest task you can do.
Like, why you're not calling the number?
Why you're letting him do everything he wants to do?
And you have a working phone.
You have, like, your parents on the call.

(48:32):
Well, at one point, she calls, like, she quote-unquote calls the parents, right?
Like, which is, like, later we're going to understand it's all fake thing.
But so that was the...
Those were the things that were
like, you know, like kind of bothering me about the film as we go on.
But
it all explains when we later understand the twist.

(48:53):
But here's the thing.
No,
but it doesn't.
Because her behavior doesn't make sense as a victim or as the killer.
Yeah,
I go with that.
It doesn't make sense at all.
The
more
I think about it, it just doesn't add up.
Like as
the killer...
Okay, so maybe you find out she's the killer,
then you can go back and be like,
oh, I get why she didn't call the number,
but you don't get why she didn't just kill the guy.
Yeah.
Or
why she's like running around acting like this

(49:15):
or being shocked by the dead cat or whatever.
So like either the victim or the killer,
neither of those behaviors make sense
and the twist
doesn't
help with that.
Unless she's like really psycho
and she enjoys the thrill of seeing people freak out
and she enjoys that confusion.
So the only explanation
we thought is like...
she's just two personalities.

(49:35):
One personality doesn't know
what's going on with the other.
That's the interesting point.
Like if one personality
doesn't know
what the other personality is doing,
like what I was saying,
like maybe she's split personality.
Then why she's not like,
then she should call the police.
That's what I'm saying.
The behavior
as the victim
doesn't make
sense.
Also,
she seems to have control

(49:56):
over her split at the end, right?
When she gets another knock on the door
and she's looking at the camera like,
ooh, round two.
Here we go again.
Like, you kind of see
that she has that control.
Achilles is right.
I mean, this is a student film.
This
is a guy thinking
that they're extra clever.
And also secretly,
or not secretly, but like,
when you look at the themes of this movie,

(50:18):
it is very much like,
yeah,
women are bitches,
right?
Like they're the
actual liars,
right?
Like all these guys that look like they're murderers
and the
thieves,
like actually the woman was the one lying the whole time.
And she's crazy.
And these guys are
totally fine for 1999.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like this
guy's super annoying,
but it's like,
actually he's good.

(50:44):
He's,
And this thief, like, actually, he's good, too.
Bitches be crazy, am I right?
Bitches be crazy.
And that's a little weird.
Given the
fan base of the writer and the director,
I would say, like, there are a lot of age lords,
age lords side of their filmmaking.

(51:07):
Yeah.
like Anuragashop's fan base
has a huge edgelord fan
base.
When you were saying edgelord
and Nikki was saying edgelord,
that's when I put it together.
It was like,
yeah, the end is just about
how the woman is lying,
even though she's like
in a victim status the entire time.
And if you kind of zoom back,
it's kind of really fucked up.
So Kelly,
I know that you've watched
other movies from this director.
Does he seem to have a commonality
or a common theme
throughout his other movies?
Of women be beaches?
No, no, no, no.
This is kind of like plot twist, maybe.

(51:27):
No, plot twist kind of, I think people kind of, he kind of grows out of it.
Like they all grow.
Because the director,
I mean, I know him for making gangster films.
Oh, okay.
Right, which doesn't have like much plot twist.
It's like, okay, there are suspense.
You don't know like who is backstabbing at the end.

(51:49):
Like you find out who's backstabbing.
There are certain suspense of that, but it's not.
twist at the end it's mostly gang fight gang wars like you know like who is like topping whom
and who is like growing on the gang ladder and that kind of competition and like killings and
like a lot of gore and also Anurag Kashyap when he makes later films like we watched uh Dave D right

(52:13):
is that from him yeah
Dave D is Anurag Kashyap's direction and writing
both
So at this time, he was writing films for this guy
and maybe some other people,
but he was a script writer
or associate
script writer.
Later, he becomes a director
as well.
So, I mean, I haven't seen much of like
twist at the end kind of film from him after this.

(52:34):
But
I would say like he had this fan base of like,
engineering
like
engineering student
when I'm saying
like Indians can
associate with that
like I don't think
not
not everyone
like international people
can understand
like what I'm saying
when I'm saying
engineering students
quote unquote
but like
okay
Indian students fan
like you know like
it's similar to like

(52:54):
Christopher Nolan fan
and that kind of thing
like oh he's like a
like he's the best filmmaker ever
kind of fan base
he kind of got
and he was not under any big banner
of Bollywood film industry
but he kind of get kept
indie films in a certain way

(53:17):
but whatever
like I'm not going in that debacle
but yeah he has that kind of fan base
and that kind of makes sense
because when we were looking at the reviews
and everything
there's not a single like there was one single bad review but on imdb but like there's really
any bad review of this film like anyone pointing out like why these kind of things are happening

(53:41):
like everyone's like oh this is amazing this is superb this is classic this is there's nothing
bad it's like amazing it's ahead of the
time well written
i don't know how you could call it
You can't call
it well rated.
It's literally the cycle of Bollywood, isn't it?
But in 1999 and not the 60s.
But like, I don't know.
Maybe this is just my biased perspective,

(54:02):
but I kind of feel like every movie that we looked up
through IMDb,
sometimes I feel like there's too many positive reviews.
Which is
really rare because I feel like if
anything, IMDb for Hollywood is known for being overly negative.
Like you have to try really hard to get anything above a 6.5 for Hollywood movies.
I mean,
it's very high, but it's not just IMDb.

(54:23):
Like it's
in lists of like the best, some of the best thrillers, psychological thrillers.
It's editors, film editors are also doing this and people that do complain kind of get downvoted a bit.
Yes.
Like, but.
I understand maybe it was very important.
Look, we'll say it was filmed in 15 days.
There's no songs.

(54:43):
There's 90 minutes.
I think maybe for indie at the time with what was going on, maybe it was very important and edgy at the time.
But that's okay.
Looking back, you can still criticize it.
I don't think it holds up.
So a friend of mine from abroad, she saw me talk about it on Instagram.
And then she said to me that it's by no means a cinematic masterpiece, but it was really ahead of its time during that time.

(55:10):
So it kind of paved the way for other
movies in that genre.
Yeah, that I agree.
I can see how it kind of
gained the recognition of cult classic in that sense.
It's fun to watch
Yeah
No it's intense
For sure right
And it's all in one setting
It's all in this mansion
Which kind of adds
A layer of fun
And interest to it
Like
I think that it's
Like while the reviews
Are a little too positive for me

(55:31):
I feel like warts and all
I actually liked it
Like I think that
Overall it was a very
Enjoyable movie
Even though
There were things that
I still don't think
Make any sense
And I'm still questioning it
To this day
Like okay well
Yeah
Yeah, I kind of agree with that. You know, I watched it on 1.5 speed. I think that might have enhanced the experience.
I watched it at 3 speed. I think it's fine. Yeah, maybe,

(55:53):
maybe, Adam, you can compare it. But I think I like movies where it's just kind of like concentrated in one setting. It makes it kind of fly by faster. So...
This worked for me, even on 1.5.
Alright, Adam, any closing thoughts?
No, I think we can skip the scale
because it doesn't apply.
No, no, no. We want the scale.
Oh, really?
Well, I mean, there's just no...

(56:15):
There's no family...
Okay, fine.
Beer scale.
There's the stairs, man.
Okay.
There is true.
There's a lot of running around.
No one fell.
Nikki, what's the staircase moment?
she's the killer.
Yeah.
Phone wire being cut, right?

(56:35):
That's when it's like
dun, dun, dun.
I
thought
the phone
was working
like you
said it, Winnie.
Coming from inside the house.
So then,
that's correct.
And then the next ones
we go down,
I don't know, man.
So,
Dantzler Claus,
no.
Nothing, right?
Nothing.
Unless you call, like,
crawling down the stairs
a dance floor.
There's
a lot of
musical cues, right?
I mean...

(56:56):
Like in the Hitchcock vibe.
There's a lot
of musical cues.
Family Feud Factor.
No.
Mama needs to come home.
It's a fake family.
It's an
imaginary family.
She's creating...
Fake drama with her dead mom that she's not talking
to.
The first Bollywood film, by the way, that we watched where there is actually no family members.
There is a mom.
An imaginary mom.

(57:16):
True, it's true.
And no one's playing their own dad.
So, I mean, it's very off the beat path for us.
regional heat check?
I don't know.
Is it accurate for anything?
No, I don't think that's how humans behave.
I don't think it's how a normal house is.
It's one house.
I don't know if it's a regional representation.

(57:38):
That's normally what happens in that one house.
So I think it's the only thing that nails
it.
We asked the question is,
isn't there anyone else around the house?
I don't know
which city was this happening.
But I don't know, like I didn't grew up anywhere or didn't hear anything where a thief like the third person claims, the second guy claims as he was, has this automatic like fucking gun, man.

(58:05):
I don't know any thief had like guns.
But you know what, Kili, you lived with.
Two robberies.
So I'd say there is some relevance in the film, at least in the national setting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
True.
Okay.
It does have the fear at the beginning.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
So
what's up?
Moral.
There's a moral.
All right.
Don't let strangers.
Don't.
No.
Women are liars.

(58:25):
Do not trust them.
Women?
Yeah.
That's the moral of the movie.
That's your generalization from the movie.
That's the
movie's generalization.
I'm not saying my opinion.
Uh.
If it was a man killer, it would turn out to be glasses, for instance.
Your takeaway would not be like men are all killers.
Yeah, I
would.
Something gendered, Adam.
I don't know.
For me, it's like, you know, when you go to a friend's house, the first thing you should

(58:48):
do is check the phone line.
Yeah.
connected
for me it's just if it's fucking raining just stay outside don't don't try to get shelter
in anyone's houses because you don't know what people are up to
for me it's like don't have a
cat near me because i will kick it instantly
i fucking
hate
cats and people that own cats
i hear
that
that's why i don't go to your house kelly i

(59:08):
think another one
i could learn is that there's
an art to sandwich making
also like if you have a stranger over and they demand coffee just go make him coffee
see
we're coming up with a lot of right i've
learned to be a traditional woman from this
movie ahead of
its time i'm getting really hungry for salted bread right now
uh all right what's the all right so that's it i mean it's a cult classic it's fun

(59:32):
what's the next movie life
is a box of chocolates
Never
know what you're gonna get
Yeah
It becomes Golgappa
Like
Life is
Life is like a box of Golgappa
There's no
box
Life is like
Pani Pui
That's what he says
It always squirts
in your mouth
What's the name of the movie?

(59:52):
Lau Singh Chadda
Yes
Which is
A.K
.A. Forrest Gump of Bollywood
We're gonna meet
an old friend
Very
Very
the very abnormal Amir Khan.
Yeah,
it's been a while
since
we've seen Amir Khan's eyebrows raised.
So we need to go back to that well.
Yeah, we missed that
after all this whole movie.
Yeah,
well, listen to our,

(01:00:12):
like after listening to our podcast,
go watch the film
and then come back
and then comment
and tell us like what we,
our take was like,
good enough or like we
screwed up at some point.
Yeah, your feedback is really helpful,
guys. Yeah.
Let us know if you like
the film.
I think I do
better like
ending than like introduction.

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