Murder (2004)

🍿 Bangkok Thrills, Bollywood Chills, and No Boobs: The Rollercoaster of Murder! 🍿

In this episode of Fear of Stairs: Desi Films Decoded, we’re unwrapping the spicy, controversial, and sometimes utterly bonkers Bollywood film, Murder! Picture this: It’s an "erotic thriller" set in Bangkok, but hold the erotic—'cause there’s zero nudity, folks. 😂

Join Winnie, Khilli, Nicky, and Adam as they dive into:

・ The insane "what-the-heck" plot twists that will leave you slack-jawed.

・ Why this Bollywood flick had to send its characters to Bangkok to make sense (Hint: No nosy in-laws!).

・ The film’s hot take on obsession versus passion—because sometimes stalkers are just misunderstood romantic leads (Not!).

・ Cheating, car chases, and surprise reappearances—oh my! Find out how infidelity spices up marriages in Bollywood-land.

This podcast is your VIP ticket to all the WTF moments, scandalous plots, and deep, deep lols sprinkled throughout Murder. Grab your popcorn and a seatbelt, because this one’s a wild ride!

So, are you ready to figure out if Murder is a Bollywood gem or just plain absurdity? Hit play NOW and let’s decode the madness together!

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Episode Transcript

Winnie (00:01):
I'll just eat a slice of bread.

Khilli (00:02):
With popcorn too?

Winnie (00:04):
No, just plain bread.

Khilli (00:05):
With popcorn.
But bring the popcorn.

Winnie (00:06):
Okay, bring the popcorn.
You have the

Khilli (00:08):
popcorn?
Yeah.

Winnie (00:21):
Welcome to Fear of Stairs, Desi Films Decoded, the podcast where four friends from different
backgrounds unlock the world of Desi Cinema.
I'm Winnie, the Desi who's never been to India.

Khilli (00:30):
Hey, I'm Kili.
I'm from India.

Nicky (00:34):
I'm Nikki, and sometimes I'm very disappointed when a piece of media has no boobs.
I'm Nikki.

Adam (00:40):
I agree with that. I'm Adam. I'm American.
And today I kind of feel sorry for Nikki for navigating the story.
When I was watching this, I was trying to figure out how you were going to be able to do this.

Nicky (00:51):
Yeah, this movie was just...
It's a movie.
It's a movie. It's a...

Winnie (00:58):
erotic thriller that

Nicky (01:00):
takes place in bangkok of

Winnie (01:02):
all places

Nicky (01:03):
not that that's important in any way
let's be honest

Adam (01:07):
yeah so killie what what is this movie why'd you pick it oh

Khilli (01:11):
yeah so this film is
murder it came out on uh 2004 came out in 2004 and
So this was like, so when we were going through feberty phase, this was kind of a talk of the town in everywhere. And that was the kind of era where Bollywood was...

(01:35):
doing a lot of erotic film for the big screen.
In a way, this film was very controversial when it came out.
I think that the IMDb rating and the Rotten Tomatoes rating kind of reflects the...
Because I've seen like way worse film from Bollywood.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
And they have

Khilli (01:54):
better IMDb rating or Rotten Tomatoes

Winnie (01:58):
rating.
We are from

Khilli (01:59):
that era.

Winnie (02:00):
So this came out in 2004 and you said that movies around that time were already starting to portray intimate scenes, make out scenes. Was that so or was this kind of like a breakthrough in the sense that it was the first mainstream Bollywood film that explored so much creativity?
sexuality.

Khilli (02:17):
There were films before.
There were films before.
This producer guy, Mahesh Bhatt,
he was known for making those kind of films
even in the 90s.
But there were like one or two.
And then it became a different genre.
It didn't normalize...
having like so much of intimate scene on screen in Bollywood films because Bollywood films still

(02:42):
stayed in its like behind the closed door version like you know

Speaker 5 (02:46):
cleaned

Khilli (02:47):
and like sanitized version
of every human relationship with

Winnie (02:51):
it's interesting because at 2004 I think like
Bollywood's dominated by like current Johar
films, Shah Rukh Khan, Kal Ho Na Ho
came out the same year

Speaker 5 (02:58):
and

Winnie (02:59):
so I see
we have like a lot of these like traditional
very family oriented Bollywood films
and then this is kind of like opening up a whole
different genre where it became more of a cult classic

Khilli (03:20):
hit
Bollywood has always been a place of contradiction, I guess.
There are different kind of films always stick together
which portraying totally different values and stuff like that.

Adam (03:17):
Were women into this movie at all?

Khilli (03:20):
Yeah, I didn't have many women

Adam (03:23):
friends back then.
I just want to expose the truth, that's all.
Who talked to me about

Khilli (03:28):
sex stuff, though, yeah.

Adam (03:31):
2004, so again, the iPhone came out in 2006,
so no one had a smartphone yet.
And

Speaker 5 (03:36):
so I

Adam (03:37):
do think this is as erotic as you'll get

Speaker 5 (03:40):
right before

Adam (03:42):
all of a sudden everyone has a porn machine in their pocket.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
Yes.

Adam (03:46):
About 10 years after this, you just see porn when you're 10 on your phone all day.
So I think it is an interesting time capsule of what the erotic scene is.

Nicky (03:58):
was like

Adam (03:59):
right until everyone
was exposed to hardcore right away.

Nicky (04:02):
I just want to say that
you all say it's erotic.
I don't think it's erotic at all.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
I think it's mild.
But let's be

Nicky (04:08):
honest, okay?
I just want to say that
in 2001, in Thailand,
we had a movie, a period drama,
called Chandaraa.
It was super erotic.
More erotic than whatever is showing in 2004.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
So

Nicky (04:23):
when you say that murder is an erotic film, I was expecting that kind of level of eroticness.
Where there's nudity and some sensual ice play.

Winnie (04:33):
Yeah, Nikki was very disappointed that there was not even a single boob, a single tit that

Adam (04:37):
was shown.
Yeah, I was

Khilli (04:37):
really disappointed.

Adam (04:38):
No nipple play, no feet.
Nothing.

Khilli (04:41):
Was that film like a mainstream film or an arthouse?
It was a mainstream film.
Was there nudity?

Nicky (04:47):
There was nudity.

Khilli (04:48):
A blue?

Nicky (04:48):
Full on nudity.
Male too?
I think the man was wearing a jockstrap.
I don't think you can really see it.

Khilli (04:57):
So in India, like whatever nudity we saw, like before that, whatever came out was a part of like, you know, kind of an arthouse-y kind of films and stuff like that.
Like we watched All We Imagine and Slight, like that kind of scenes or even if it's love scene or something like that, it's kind of an artsy scenes and then...
Like, have this kind of cheesy story, like a mainstream Bollywood film with songs and stuff like that.

(05:21):
It was one of the first ones.
I mean, there had been before, but so many scenes, no.

Winnie (05:28):
Yeah, so it seems like the early 2000s was a horny period of time for everyone because this movie is actually based on the 2001 Hollywood film, Unfaithful.
With Richard Gere.
And that is a movie based on a French film from like the 1960s.
Also called Unfaithful, I believe.
Is it the same story?
I haven't seen

Adam (05:46):
any of the previous films.
I

Khilli (05:48):
said it's the same.
So it's almost the same.
But the focus on the husband is more kind of.
And then it ends where he kills them.

Winnie (05:57):
So the husband...
Oh, well, we're getting into the plot and the spoilers already.

Adam (06:01):
Oh, I'm sure we're getting to it, yeah.

Winnie (06:04):
Yeah, Nikki, take it away.
So you

Nicky (06:06):
have Malika Sherwatt as our leading lady
who gets no respect from anyone in the movie.
That's not funny.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
Anyways.
It was the best part.

Nicky (06:18):
She plays this lonely housewife who...
She has a husband and a kid, a son.
and i guess her husband who's like a workaholic moves to bangkok thailand and you know because
she's such a housewife uh she feels quite lonely and with her needs unmet which i gotta add like

(06:39):
if you know as an indian woman in thailand i think you can find friends let's be honest

Adam (06:45):
Well, that's what...
Wait, so you're saying she should have just been cheating on her husband

Winnie (06:49):
the whole time?
No,

Adam (06:49):
I mean, she can have a social life.
But

Winnie (06:53):
her husband is also portrayed as this man who is so emotionally unavailable, cold, stoic, doesn't even want to converse with her.
So kind of like you can see why the loneliness is such an important...
point of the movie plot
that like drives her
to do all these things
that she does later on

Khilli (07:09):
I think also
the Bangkok plays a role
for her being isolated
I mean
so
they didn't dwell
in the fact that
there is a Indian community
here already
like you know
who lives there for a long time and stuff like that.
But I think they just wanted to show that she's in a foreign land
where she cannot make friends easily.
But also, this kind of talks about this kind of toxic family value

(07:32):
of this kind of families, like this rich, upper caste

Speaker 5 (07:35):
Indian families

Khilli (07:37):
that the wives is not supporting.
to go out that often

Speaker 5 (07:40):
oh yeah i can see that even

Khilli (07:41):
if you are in a moreover if you're in a foreign
land you're just supposed to so she she says that you know as one somewhere in the film i remember
that she says like oh this is my boundary like i cannot go beyond

Winnie (07:55):
that she has a part-time job
right right i don't see any elements of like her being trapped and not being allowed to do things
i think she is very much responsible for they have a son together kabir
and, well, not really her son,
but she's very much responsible for taking care of him,
picking up from school,
and her husband doesn't really help her much with that.
And even

Speaker 5 (08:14):
though they live in this

Winnie (08:15):
lavish villa,
somehow she doesn't have any help,
like a nanny or anything.
So it seems like her whole life revolves around the family
and the son, basically.
Well,

Adam (08:24):
let's talk, too.
So what's the family situation?

Nicky (08:27):
Why is

Winnie (08:27):
it

Adam (08:28):
not her son?

Nicky (08:29):
Yeah, so later in the movie, we find out that...
her husband actually was married to her sister, Sonia.

Adam (08:39):
Everyone in this movie has a name that starts with S.
So it's very confusing for us and you, the listener.
So the leading

Nicky (08:44):
lady is named Simran,
which is also coincidentally a common Thai-Indian name,
in my opinion.

Winnie (08:50):
Common Punjabi name.

Nicky (08:53):
So apparently, like...
I'm a little hazy on the backstory, but she sent her sister off somewhere, and then she never returned.
And so she took responsibility for their child.
Well,

Winnie (09:09):
I think it's given that she bought her sister a plane ticket, and I assume there was an accident or something, right?
So her sister is dead, basically.
I think

Speaker 5 (09:16):
the plane crashed.

Winnie (09:17):
Right. They didn't really get into it, but you kind of tell that her sister is dead.
The sister is actually one of the 9-11 hydrogers.

Nicky (09:24):
So then she apparently...
Okay, I was going to say steal, but assumes the wife role of the family.
Which I want to ask, Winnie, is that something you want to do?
Like save your

Winnie (09:35):
sister?
Absolutely, right? Self-sacrificing, that's what makes a woman nice.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
It's

Winnie (09:39):
the epitome of a good woman.
I have a question about

Adam (09:42):
this, Kili.
If a woman...
has a boyfriend
and then her sister dies
and leaves her kid and her husband.
Does the woman have to leave her boyfriend
for this husband?
I'm not a woman.

Winnie (09:56):
You don't have to do anything.
There's no codified rules.
It's just how much responsibility
and obligation you feel as a woman
to...
put the betterment of a child ahead of you.

Adam (10:06):
But the child doesn't need her to fuck the husband to take care of him.
But

Winnie (10:10):
if you want a nuclear family,
which most Indian families would strive towards,
then you would want to preserve the family unit as such.

Nicky (10:19):
Preserving the family unit is a big theme in this movie.
Exactly.
It's a very huge

Adam (10:24):
theme.
So the reason, Winnie, I said,
the politics, I think, are actually like, all right,
is they give...
every leniency to this woman.
Like, I feel like if this was an American film,
it would be like, this bitch.
What

Winnie (10:36):
are you talking about?
You kind of see how her actions lead
to such horrible consequences,
like near imprisonment, murder.
But they excuse her completely.

Adam (10:46):
Even the officer is like,
I don't blame you at all.
Like, and the husband's like, you're right.
It's my fault.
It's my fault.
Her

Winnie (10:53):
husband beats her at one point.
I feel like this movie, you see two sides.
You see her, her desire.
She's driving towards that.
But you definitely see the consequences and how she's punished for it.
But they

Adam (11:04):
make the guys look bad.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
Yes.

Adam (11:06):
The movie is saying

Speaker 5 (11:07):
this woman

Adam (11:08):
is like kind of faultless and these guys

Speaker 5 (11:10):
are all bad

Adam (11:11):
and she is fine.
And like her desires are like valid.
And like because of the situation she was in,
like it's very forgiving of her.
I

Winnie (11:19):
think because the guy that she ended up having an affair with
was so extreme in his actions
and it led to like, you know, like stalking and murder.
Now it kind of almost is a warning sign to women.
Like, hey, you know, even if you're lonely,
if your husband's not emotionally available,
this is what could happen
if you go and pursue something
that is more fiery and passionate.
It's going to blow up in this way.
So I think it serves as a warning sign of it's not worth it.

Nicky (11:41):
You have a scene where her like,
Work colleague warns her of that.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
Yeah.

Nicky (11:46):
That

Adam (11:46):
work colleague is so funny.
She's like, I'm a veteran cheater.
And let me tell you why I don't think this is a good idea.

Khilli (11:53):
I think it's a cautionary tale, but not vilifying her for, like, going, having sex with someone who is not her husband.
Like, she's not...
vilified for that but he's like oh poor woman don't do that please it's it's it's it's gonna
get worse kind of cautionary tale and

Winnie (12:11):
i think the plot of like that being her sister's kid and her
entering this marriage more as a self-sacrificing thing than out of love kind of helps vilify her
less you know like it takes away some of the onus on her actions of

Speaker 5 (12:22):
she's already doing

Winnie (12:23):
she's
already sacrificing so like she's just trying to find a bit of happiness now
You see her in less of a nasty wife

Khilli (12:29):
mode,

Winnie (12:30):
right?
And more of just a woman who's trying to have it all,
who's trying to be a good mother,
but still wants to be happy
and doesn't want to subscribe to a lonely,
emotionally cold husband, which is fair.

Nicky (12:41):
All that being said,
the movie begins with her being chased
through the business district,
Chong Loon Si.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
Chong Loon Si, yes.
That's where me and Winnie...

Nicky (12:49):
our work is you i used to work

Speaker 5 (12:51):
there but

Nicky (12:52):
you get to see like do

Speaker 5 (12:53):
sitani in

Nicky (12:54):
its uh original glory
which i thought was very interesting anyway that doesn't matter she's being chased through
by a bunch of thai policemen whose whose chief is a an indian man like i'm gonna have to say it man
it's no way possible it's like
It's like a Thai man saying that Wakanda can't be real.

Winnie (13:14):
I was just kidding.
I disagree on this.
He's Thai Indian.
I think it's interesting that they portrayed this man as a Thai Indian character.

Nicky (13:22):
Yeah, but let's be honest.
When was the last time you've seen a police chief?

Winnie (13:28):
I think we have Thai Indian governor now.
So like Thai Indians are just entering politics,
but definitely not on the police level.

Adam (13:35):
This does the same thing as Dostana where like they live in Indian world in
another country.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
Yes.

Adam (13:41):
Like they only interact with other Indians.
Like the police is for some reason Indian and like,
They live in that bubble.

Winnie (13:48):
But you know this actor who plays the police chief,
he's just an Indian man, Indian actor, right?
But in the movie, they portray him as Sikh, as Namdari specifically.
So he's wearing the white, what do you call it?
Patka. I don't know what the term is.
It's kind of like white Patka turban.
So he's portrayed as a Namdari because that is very much prominent
in the Thai Indian community out here.
There's all Sikhs, there's Namdari.

(14:08):
So I think they tried to make it a little bit more feasible in that way.

Khilli (14:14):
Yeah, that Indian world thing, like in a foreign land, it's getting really less day by day as subtitling is like more prevalent and more accessible to people. But back in the day, I think we were discussing during, what was that?
Dostana right
That is
It's mostly because
Like they don't want to include

(14:34):
Like other languages
Apart from Hindi
At all
In the film
Like

Speaker 5 (14:38):
There are

Khilli (14:38):
like few dialogues here
Like when he's
Explaining something
To the police chief
At the end
That he says in English
But otherwise like yeah
So keep all
Every dialogue in Hindi
Yeah
You have to bring
Like Indian characters here

Adam (14:59):
Yeah

Khilli (14:50):
I think that's the reason.

Adam (14:52):
Yeah, they all live in Bangkok, but there's really
no reason. They don't use
the setting or anything.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
It could have

Adam (14:59):
been in India.
Yeah,

Nicky (15:01):
so she's chased by a bunch of policemen
and then they just bring her into
interrogation because she's been accused
of murder and
the title.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
Dun, dun, dun.

Nicky (15:12):
And, you know,
I guess
the whole,
the part of the whole movie
is told in,
like 90% of the movie
is told in through flashbacks.

Adam (15:18):
False flashbacks.
False

Nicky (15:20):
flashbacks.
Like,
we get to see
from her point of,
from,
from Simran's
point of view,
so yeah she has husband son and then one day on during a rainy day she just happens to meet this
man like there's like you get to see this magical connection and i'll be i'll also say that street
is not bangkok i am like 90 sure it's patia

Speaker 5 (15:44):
where the where

Nicky (15:45):
where so like this man that she meets it's sunny and at first we're not so clear
who it is like it's just they just have this like magical connection and the first thing he says like
do you want to come up to my place

Adam (15:56):
i was so blown away i was like there's no way she says yes this
is crazy they meet like on the street in front of a car he's like standing there in the rain staring
at her the car is like honking because he won't get the fuck out of the way and he's like blocking
traffic and then he's like hey it's raining come to my room and she's like no and then she goes and i'm
Who the fuck is this person?

Nicky (16:14):
Yeah, like she just goes up to his room
and it's like a very like creepy, dingy ass hallway.
And then like she goes inside
and like he asked her to like go change and everything.

(16:42):
Yeah.
And then one of the things that gets really confusing from the start is like she was she was asking him questions like how long have you been here and or whatever.
And then in the first of many instances in this movie, he just yells at her like, why don't you just ask me how long I've been in jail?
And it's like, you know, I don't really know what that was. At first, I was a little taken aback.
Like, why is this stranger like berating her for something that she should have known or something?
But then we find out that this guy was like her ex-boyfriend.
So it's like Sunny is her ex-boyfriend in college, I'm assuming.
And apparently in the past, he was like beating people up because they were assaulting her.

(17:07):
And he was like, I don't like it when people are touching you.
And then before like the police take him away, he was saying like, oh, I love you.
But she never says I love you back.
So yeah, he ends up in jail.
He's like a

Adam (17:18):
creepy incel in college.
He's very controlling.
Are they going out?
They are going out.

Khilli (17:24):
They have like, yeah.
He's not incel.
He's just like a positive.
He's talking a lot actually.
Yeah,

Adam (17:29):
my bad.
Yeah.
He's just very jealous.
Some guy assaults her.
He protects her.
beats her too much

Khilli (17:34):
he was in the cell

Winnie (17:36):
an incel in the cell

Nicky (17:40):
so yeah they reconnect
and then you know
you get this hint that
there's a spark going on
and she goes back home
and then we learn that her husband's a jerkwad
he's like this guy
who never pays attention
she was telling him she's met an old friend
and he didn't give a shit
he has to look for some stupid ass file

Adam (18:02):
or whatever
goddamn folder i need the content

Nicky (18:04):
folder and then like he was like um he calls her her name by
mistake he calls her sonia instead of simran and it's not at first to us it's not it's unclear why
what that name means but that's the name of her sister as we've

Adam (18:18):
mentioned and

Nicky (18:19):
yeah you get to see
the the whole their whole relationship problems right

Adam (18:22):
and then and one important part we also find
sonny is in bangkok
to DJ

Winnie (18:29):
At a club called Moonlight
Moonlight! I

Nicky (18:31):
was like, I don't remember
I remember a club

Adam (18:34):
called Moonlight
He says this is the club where I compose my songs

Speaker 5 (18:39):
So

Adam (18:39):
we're supposed to believe he like makes songs and then plays them
But he does stay in the nicest apartment I've ever seen

Speaker 5 (18:45):
Like the

Adam (18:46):
building's dingy but he's like in a two level loft and

Speaker 5 (18:48):
stuff
For

Adam (18:49):
this club no one's ever heard of and like they brought him all the way from India

Winnie (18:53):
Also, what's interesting is that he said he was out of jail a year and a half

Adam (18:56):
ago,

Winnie (18:57):
right?
And he didn't contact Simran.
Not a year and a half ago.

Adam (19:01):
He was only in jail for a year and a half.
So, like,

Winnie (19:04):
that's why

Speaker 5 (19:04):
it's

Adam (19:04):
even weirder.
He wasn't even there for God for that long, and she should have known he was out.
But she just...
you know,
after her sister brings down the trade center,
she marries the husband.
And then,
you know,
really quickly,
I guess.

Khilli (19:17):
I think that happens to the college romance.
Like,
after you graduate from there,
you don't,
like,
keep in touch or

Adam (19:24):
something like that.
The guy that,
like,
your ex-boyfriend that went to jail,
for being,
For trying to protect you, you think you know when he would come out or something?

Khilli (19:31):
Yeah, that's the only scene that this Simran committed.
Not keeping
in touch with her estranged wife.
Keep in
touch
with your exes that go to jail.

Winnie (19:41):
Yes.
And then go to their apartments after bumping into them.

Khilli (19:44):
Instantly.
Instantly.

Winnie (19:45):
and

Adam (19:46):
we can all agree he went to Bangkok for her
right

Winnie (19:50):
I feel like he was living there
he didn't reach out they just bumped into each other

Adam (19:54):
which also questions

Winnie (19:55):
how obsessed he is
actually about her it seems to just start
when they meet again

Speaker 5 (19:59):
I feel

Adam (20:00):
like he specifically moved to Bangkok
because he knew she was there
no

Winnie (20:02):
because he gave her the choice of coming
into his apartment
if she just turned around and didn't
follow him the first day
I don't think he would have kept pursuing her
I don't plan that

Khilli (20:14):
he knows her
but
but honestly
like how long
did he say
that he was
working in
Bangkok
a couple years

Adam (20:21):
yeah so

Khilli (20:22):
why
didn't he like
like make a
move
people
he

Adam (20:26):
was waiting
on that street
for her to

Khilli (20:27):
come for years

Adam (20:29):
he was just
Standing there in the rain for years until she finally saw her.
Then he ran into her.
His plan came in motion.
It had to be in front of his apartment.
Keeping

Khilli (20:38):
extra warm clothes at home.

Adam (20:41):
He had

Winnie (20:41):
the

Nicky (20:43):
script memorized.
Do you want to come back up to my place?

Winnie (20:45):
I'll just say

Nicky (20:46):
nothing and stare at her.

Winnie (20:48):
And he's a bit of a womanizer too, right?
Simran is not the only woman in his life.

Nicky (20:54):
That's a twist that

Winnie (20:55):
we'll find out later.

Nicky (20:56):
But yes, they...
We know Simran's situation, so then she sparks up an affair with Sunny.
You get these long extended scenes where they're just having fun.
At one point, he rolls up in his motorcycle.
I think it's Siam
like suriyam area he rolls up on the footpath like a boss and then like she gets on and i think it's

(21:22):
so funny in that scene because you see all these thai bystanders watching watching this indian man
roll up i don't know i think that's pretty funny

Adam (21:30):
it has the montage where they're like having sex
in different places and they keep having sex outside so they'll like be on like a which is
crazy because especially bangkok like if you go on a rooftop with

Speaker 5 (21:40):
just the sun

Adam (21:41):
out like you will die
Like that is so uncomfortable and so hot.
But like, and they're like where all the air cons are stationed outside.
So it's like double hot because it's all blowing on you.
And they're like fucking out there in the hot daylight.
They're having sex like one level above the cars on like a balcony with like no barrier.
And if you're on like the BTS level, you can just see two

Khilli (22:02):
people kind of hanging out.
They want to smell their sweaty armpits.

Nicky (22:06):
I was just saying they have a long scene

Adam (22:08):
where they smell each other's sweaty armpits.
They go to a, like, a Patea hotel for days, even though, like, she only sees him, like,
when her kid's in school somehow.
Yeah.

Nicky (22:18):
They were up on, like, these water towers on the...
on the roof of a building and it was so funny when i saw that scene i was reading the news just
just just earlier this week and apparently a man went missing and they thought the police found him
inside a water tower and all i could think about is that if they were making out what if there was
a body there i don't know that's all

Adam (22:39):
my goodness

Nicky (22:40):
well it's dark that's when

Adam (22:41):
dark

Speaker 5 (22:43):
you

Adam (22:43):
guys see that type of matter about that woman that did that too remember like

Speaker 5 (22:46):
there's like

Nicky (22:47):
the
security

Adam (22:47):
footage of her in the elevator

Nicky (22:49):
she looks crazy

Adam (22:49):
and then
They found her in the water tank.
No one could figure it out.

Nicky (22:52):
It was like a cold case, right?
Like no one figured

Speaker 5 (22:55):
it out.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a creepy story.
It's super

Adam (22:58):
creepy, but it turns out she just fell in it.
But she has something like a psychotic break.

Khilli (23:03):
Didn't in Hangover, also the guy was on the rooftop near the water tank or somewhere for the whole time.
He woke up there on the rooftop.
Yeah, for the whole time they were looking for him.
Just to say,

Winnie (23:12):
that's not too weird.
Like in my high school, we lived next to a building that had a...
rooftop that a lot of students went to after school to do stuff with their

Adam (23:20):
you know their
boyfriend and girlfriend sonny lives indoors you guys had to do that

Winnie (23:24):
right

Adam (23:25):
right he

Winnie (23:26):
he was hot as

Adam (23:27):
hell when he tell me from first-hand experience how bad was

Winnie (23:29):
when you're when you're like a horny
teenager it doesn't really matter right but that's like your only option it's like

Adam (23:34):
p.e day and you're
wearing your p.e. clothes and everyone's all smelly and stuff he

Khilli (23:38):
wanted change of place change of
seconds all the time i think

Winnie (23:42):
it adds to the erotic element like voyeurism it's
And then you're climbing all the

Adam (23:46):
way to this balcony
and you're drinking there and you have to climb all the way down
naked and shit.

Nicky (23:52):
So while

Adam (23:53):
all

Nicky (23:54):
those moments were portrayed
as romantic, there are some scenes
that I just can't help but feel
like it's super rapey.
Like the belly button scene.
Well, no,

Adam (24:04):
but that's not.
He's just going down on her.
And it's like the first time anyone's gone down on her and her belly

Nicky (24:09):
is trembling.
Well, he keeps saying no.
And she was like, it's not

Adam (24:13):
right, Sonny.
It's not right.
But her belly is like shaking.
I've never seen anything like this.
I've never seen a woman that excited by a guy just like being near her legs or something.
something
it's a really

Khilli (24:25):
large belly
when she says
saying no
it's her
like the
culture

Adam (24:31):
tread carefully
yeah

Khilli (24:33):
yeah
I mean
we gradually
find out that
Sunny is indeed
very rapey
person

Nicky (24:53):
mm

Khilli (24:39):
after all
but from the very

Winnie (24:41):
beginning
you see that he's not
really respecting her boundaries
because obviously
she still has feelings
she's attracted to him
and she says
no it's not right
but he doesn't stop
he just keeps going
and then physically
she gives in right
so it's already
a disrespect

Nicky (24:53):
of boundaries
from the get go

Adam (24:55):
yeah
but she comes back

Nicky (24:56):
I just want to interject with some cultural thing from my experience.
Like, in Thai series, right,
they would always have this, like, relationship dynamic
where the man would have his way with the woman,
and the woman would be like...
It's basically raping, but as they get into it, she falls for him.

(25:19):
It's like a common Thai

Speaker 5 (25:21):
series

Nicky (25:23):
plotline, I guess.
I'm

Winnie (25:24):
not sure if it's other cultures.
They call it the slap and kiss phenomenon in Thailand.

Nicky (25:28):
It's very popular.
This moment right here reminded me of that.
I

Khilli (25:33):
think that has been a stereotype in Indian mainstream things as well.
Where like, oh, so that's why this whole abusive rape case is also coming from.
Because the culture also portraits like that, that women's know is...
Not no, they're just pushing you because that's what they're supposed to do.

(25:57):
But you have to find a way to get it done like

Speaker 5 (26:00):
that.

Khilli (26:00):
And also like it puts an idea of a woman into man's head that like, okay, so women saying no means nothing.
they want it but they're just shy

Speaker 5 (26:10):
to have

Adam (26:11):
it so

Khilli (26:12):
that's the stereotype and they're also playing
in the stereotype

Adam (26:15):
just to be fair like that's harrison ford's entire career as well it's in
america too

Speaker 5 (26:20):
okay in

Adam (26:21):
indiana jones and like in blade runner stuff he just like throws people
like against the wall and makes out with them and then they like it

Speaker 5 (26:26):
like so it's not like

Adam (26:27):
america was
like great at this but um
again she's not traumatized she loves it and comes back and i'm not like excusing him but i'm just
saying like she does like sunny and likes having sex with

Speaker 5 (26:39):
him yeah she voluntarily

Adam (26:40):
comes back all
the time

Speaker 5 (26:40):
the

Khilli (26:41):
films gives her a lot of agency in that sense it's all

Adam (26:45):
her decisions like she decides
to go in the apartment she makes all these calls to keep visiting him and that's good like you know
it's because they're acknowledging that she likes sex which i think is cool actually

Nicky (26:57):
but what's not cool is when

Winnie (26:58):
by

Adam (26:58):
the way Whitney do women like sex

Winnie (27:00):
no no we

Adam (27:01):
just yeah

Nicky (27:02):
completely unpleasurable

Winnie (27:03):
because men don't know how to
yeah what's

Nicky (27:05):
not cool though
is that eventually her son
has a fever and then she decides
it's always these

Adam (27:11):
bitch kids in these movies

Nicky (27:13):
yeah I love

Adam (27:13):
getting rid of the kids

Nicky (27:15):
they're always sick

Adam (27:15):
and ruining relationships

Nicky (27:17):
as we all know we got they got
she got to stay with the family stay for the kid
right and then like you get this like
moment where like Sunny calls her out and is like
why aren't you here
And then she said she has to be with her family.
And then he like, I don't know how to say this, but like he like gaslights her into thinking like, it's always about your husband and your son.
What about me?
And he like punches like, there's a scene where he like punches like the windowpane and then like a part of the windowpane comes down and he punches it again.

(27:44):
I don't know

Adam (27:44):
if you remember that.
That

Khilli (27:46):
was, that was amazing.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
He also

Adam (27:50):
said, he's like.
why can't i see you at least once every

Winnie (27:52):
24 hours i'm like that's a lot and then he says i'm addicted
to you he literally says

Adam (27:58):
24 hours is a really like that's a lot that

Winnie (28:01):
was quite a pivotal scene though
because you see her face just completely fall when she has the phone right when i think that's
the realization that a lot of women have probably experienced at least once in their lifetimes

Speaker 5 (28:11):
when

Winnie (28:12):
they realize with a complete nutcase they just
yeah

Adam (28:16):
Like, oh, this is too far.

Winnie (28:18):
Yeah, yeah, because I think she knew Sunny was very, you know,
but she probably didn't expect it to get to that level.
And you see that realization dawn on her, and it's a very uncomfortable feeling.
There's that

Adam (28:27):
famous quote that men are afraid of women laughing at them
and women are afraid of men killing them.
Yeah, touche, touche.
It sucks when you realize that every time...

Nicky (28:41):
And so because she can't go out and meet Sunny, what does Sunny do?
Fucking pretends to be a bystander and then walks into their home,
tells her husband that, hey, you know, we're friends.

Khilli (28:54):
He befriends the

Speaker 5 (28:56):
husband on the street and

Khilli (28:58):
comes back home.
And yeah, and then saying, oh, nice to meet you.
Like, does that whole charade to Simran and...
And

Nicky (29:08):
it was very uncomfortable because he was looking for the toilet.
So the husband was like, all right, Simran, can you just take him to the toilet?
And then he fucking tries to eat her face.

Winnie (29:20):
And it's like...
Yeah, we get another rapey scene.

Adam (29:24):
Yeah, he takes her down to the maid bathroom and then tries to make out with her...

Nicky (29:29):
It's like a straight out of a Brazzers porn scene where like the unsuspecting cuck is like nearby and like they're

Adam (29:38):
just about to do it.
You know, he wanted to see them.
He was disappointed when he came downstairs and they weren't making out.
He wanted to catch them doing that.
But

Winnie (29:46):
that's when you see like her agency kind of breaking down a little bit because that's probably the

Speaker 5 (29:50):
first scene where

Winnie (29:51):
she really doesn't want to.
Her husband is right up there.
And she's just trying to push him off, but she has to give in also halfway through.

Adam (29:57):
I'm glad you

Nicky (29:59):
realized that, Whitney, because at that very moment, I was like, this is not erotic.
They told me it was going to be an erotic film, but instead it was like all rapey and everything.
And I'm like, damn it.
I had tissues ready, but I can't do it, man.

Winnie (30:13):
Using tissues to wipe my

Nicky (30:15):
tears instead now.

Adam (30:16):
Just to be clear, it's worth the tears.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
Yeah,

Adam (30:19):
you started getting angry.
It's 90% rapey and 0% boobs.
It's not erotic at all.
One thing.

Nicky (30:26):
You know, you get that scene where, like, Simran's best friend, like, warns her, like, you know, hey, you know, cheating leads down a path of, like, unhappiness and yada, yada, yada.
She has

Adam (30:36):
a co-worker that, like, cheats all the time, I guess, and has, like, deep experience cheating and is like, I know what you're doing.
I've done it before.
It's not worth it.
Just get a vibrator.

Nicky (30:47):
so while that was happening
like her husband
his name eludes me
Sudhir yeah
he hires a private investigator

Adam (30:56):
he looks like a
like a racist cartoon of what would be on like a pizza box
he

Nicky (31:01):
looks

Speaker 5 (31:01):
like a racist
Italian stereotype

Adam (31:04):
he looks like the like Luigi
and Chuck E. Cheese with the big mustache
he's like an Indian Italian man

Nicky (31:10):
so yeah
so
So he hires faux Italian man to investigate on whether, you know, Simran is cheating.
And then like you get this scene where like Simran has to drop her kid off at school.
And while when she drops her kid off to school, like that's when Sunny comes in and then they have a moment together.

(31:33):
And what I can only assume.
Oh, yeah.
He was like rubbing rubbing her leg with his like

Speaker 5 (31:38):
stinky

Nicky (31:39):
ass sock.
This is very disgusting, man.
Anyway, he literally took Simran back to his place for, like, a sesh.
And, like, in what has got to be, like, a bad parent of the year award,
she realizes that, oh, shit, I gotta go pick up my kid at school.

Adam (31:59):
They fuck, like, for, like, ten hours or

Nicky (32:01):
something.
Because

Adam (32:02):
she drops him off, so then they're fucking until he's, like...
three hours after school has passed yeah

Nicky (32:08):
yeah and that's when she realized oh my god you know
it's affecting my family you know my the consequences of she has this epiphany
consequences of her actions lead to you know

Adam (32:18):
because for a woman you have to choose orgasm or family
you
Indian women,

Khilli (32:23):
yeah.
For the detective,
his photography skills are like impeccable.
Like the photo he takes,
like where he was rubbing her legs under the table,
that photo was like so good.
Like, I'm joking.
It's sarcastic.
It would be cool, by the way,
if like you did like...

Adam (32:41):
uh what's that pokemon snap but you're like detective pikachu trying to find pokemon cheating
on each other like

Speaker 5 (32:48):
they hire you

Adam (32:50):
as detective pikachu to like you know find if their spouse
is cheating and stuff so like you just go around on the bows filming pokemon cheating on each other
to send to them wearing

Nicky (32:59):
stinky socks

Adam (32:59):
yeah so

Nicky (33:00):
anyway she realizes that you know i forgot to
pick up my kid because i was too horny so she decides to like
End things with Sunny.
And then what did she find?
As Winnie mentioned earlier,
she sees that Sunny has a girlfriend.
Like twist.
It's weird.
It was a little left field,
but I guess it's trying to drive the point home

(33:21):
that he's a fucking scumbag.
Is it his wife?
They say his girlfriend or

Adam (33:27):
something.
Yeah, it's his wife.
Because he's like picking her up
and carrying her around and stuff,
and she knows everything about her.
But I can't figure out if she lives with him or not.

Khilli (33:35):
I don't think she lives with him, but, like, they have a relationship where he actually shared the story of, like, him screwing this other Simran.
So, she knows that's why, but, like, she loves him.
He is just using her for...
something.

Winnie (33:52):
Yeah,
and she knows
that he's obsessed
with Simran.

Khilli (33:54):
Yeah.

Winnie (33:55):
So that's a very

Nicky (33:56):
interesting movie.

Khilli (33:58):
Yeah,
very interesting
dynamic.

Nicky (34:00):
And so,
like,
when she finds that out,
she realizes,
oh,
wow,
you know,
she called,
like,
Simran blames herself
that she's a whore
even though the subtitles
say slut.
Yeah.
I don't know if you noticed that, but anyway
And like, you know
She wants to end with Sunny
And then, what does Sunny do?
He like, tries to have his way with her

(34:23):
In the kitchen
And it was like the most uncomfortable scene
But then you get this like, moment where she grabs a knife
And it is implied
That she murders him

Khilli (34:33):
That's what she said to the police

Nicky (34:34):
investigator in

Khilli (34:35):
her...

Speaker 5 (34:36):
Supposedly.

Nicky (34:37):
But then I guess we have this like another big plot twist
that the police chief calls her out for lying
because what they heard is that her husband murdered Sunny.
And then we get to see...
I'm assuming this is an intermission part.
But then we get to see that, yeah, Sudhir...

(35:02):
Sudiya murdered him
we learned that we get to see his point of view
he basically knew
he knew all along that
Simran was cheating
and then he was trying to go to Bombay
to make sure that she had all the
free time in the world to do whatever she wants
and then the private investigator finds out
and everything
so we learn that she

(35:25):
with the knife
I'm assuming she brings out the knife
but doesn't do anything

Adam (35:29):
with it
I think the knife is the fake part

Nicky (35:32):
I just don't

Adam (35:33):
think she ever touched the knife

Nicky (35:34):
but then we see her like disposing
of the knife I don't fucking know

Adam (35:38):
the movie doesn't make that much sense
it's not very

Speaker 5 (35:39):
clear

Nicky (35:39):
but what is clear is that
she leaves Sunny's place
all shame
in a shame and that's when
Sudhir goes into Sunny's place
and then they have like this confrontation and uh sunny in his most psychotic moment yet is like he
taunts he taunts to dear about how like you know he fulfills all of simran's needs and points out

(36:04):
that like you can you can smell his bed for her scent and in the most ultimate humiliation move he he
He keeps her panties in this box and throws it at his face.
Of course, that could break a man, right?

Adam (36:20):
Well, no, yeah.
So we watched this all together to rewind.
It's implied that she gives him her panties every single time they're together.
Or they're from

Khilli (36:30):
the university.

Adam (36:32):
No, no, no.
He said she gives me her panties always.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
That's what the subtitles said.
So he has

Adam (36:37):
a box full of her...
So every single time she fucks him,
she's like, here's my panties.
And I guess that's expensive, I would think, too,

Speaker 5 (36:46):
because that's

Adam (36:47):
not cheap to buy new panties every single...
Because women's panties are

Winnie (36:51):
expensive.
But maybe that's why he's living in such a nice apartment
despite being only a DJ.
Maybe he's selling these panties on eBay,
racking

Speaker 5 (36:57):
up quite a

Winnie (36:57):
bit of

Adam (36:58):
fun.
There's a huge trash bag full of them at this point.
So, like, I wouldn't be surprised if, like, that is paying his

Nicky (37:03):
rent.
So, yeah, he out, he murdered.
So, okay, it breaks a deer.
And long story short, he murders him.
And it's like, man, I keep, I, Kili, I gotta admit, like, these, these fight scenes, man.
In, I don't know what's up with Bollywood or Indian cinema, but, like.
Some of the choreography is just so

Speaker 5 (37:24):
bad.
It's

Nicky (37:25):
bad.
Like the action.
It's not convincing all the fun.
And like Sudhir likes,
there's this move that Sudhir likes to do that.
We get to see like,
he likes to punch,
uh,
sunny around the stomach.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
There's

Nicky (37:36):
a lot.
There's a lot of tummy shots.
I don't know.
Anyway.
So the next thing, the next outrageous thing is that he wraps Sunny's body in a carpet.
And then we get like this very hilarious scene where he drags the body out into the hallway and passes like a bunch of like bystanders who notices that the big roll of carpet he's dragging has left a shoe.

(38:03):
they ask him is this your shoe and he's like no so they just put

Adam (38:09):
the shoe
imagine this the guy is dragging a carpet rolled up in the shape of a body and there's like feet
sticking out and there's one shoe that's on the ground and they ask if it's his shoe
and he's wearing both shoes as he's dragging this carpet

Nicky (38:32):
and

Adam (38:28):
So they're like, oh, I guess it's not your third shoe.
Oh, well, they just put it

Nicky (38:33):
there.
And it doesn't stop there.
He goes out onto the street and then drags the body on the street out in broad daylight.
Throughout Bangkok.

Adam (38:43):
He's just dragging a dead body through Bangkok.

Nicky (38:46):
I'm assuming it's Pattaya.
Maybe it's Norman Pattaya.
I

Speaker 5 (38:48):
don't know.

Nicky (38:49):
So he stops the body.
He gets help.
They come and help him lift up the dead body.
Just another death.
Some man fell off the building.
So he stops the body in the trunk and then buries the body near their home.
Near his home.
Well, like a weird

Adam (39:09):
park forest thing.
Forest

Nicky (39:10):
thing.
I don't remember.
I

Adam (39:14):
broke that in my notes.
Is this Lupini Park where he's

Nicky (39:16):
throwing the body?
You don't have a lot of big forested green space.

Adam (39:27):
No.
that's the Indian part
they for sure
like probably filmed
that Indian
like just

Nicky (39:27):
so of course
naturally that
that gets the
police
sorry

Adam (39:31):
it's in like the
sand
like the kid area
like the sandbox
he's like
he just buries
he like digs the
hole in the sand
and buries his body
with all these kids
there

Nicky (39:40):
yeah
That's where his file's missing.
Oh, I found it.
So that gets the police's attention.
And then, like, you know, they confronted Simran.
Simran notices that, okay, maybe my husband has committed murder.
And then, like, we get this, like, moment of, like,
confrontation between the two where he admits to Simran that, you know,

(40:05):
I knew it all along.
And then while that was happening, like...
A fucking heavy loader, tractor, just crashes into their home.
Wait, he slaps her.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
Yes, he missed the beating scene.
The beating scene.
He slaps her.
And then says, I wish I killed you instead.

Khilli (40:20):
Sunny was a rapey guy and her husband is an abusive piece of shit.

Winnie (40:38):
So...
and he slaps her multiple times

Adam (40:29):
right like

Winnie (40:30):
punches her right across the face

Adam (40:33):
and keep saying i wish you were on

Winnie (40:34):
united 91 instead

Adam (40:35):
of my wife and that's

Winnie (40:36):
when he also admits
to her that he killed sunny but then in the way of saying yeah i killed him but i should have killed
you instead that makes

Khilli (40:42):
her fall in love with him right

Winnie (40:44):
and then you see this

Speaker 5 (40:45):
scene where he's like
sitting on the steps

Khilli (40:46):
and he's angry

Speaker 5 (40:47):
and

Winnie (40:48):
she goes to him and tries to like apologize like you can see that
in this scene she is not upset at all about the fact that she just got slapped by her husband

Khilli (40:56):
she's

Adam (40:56):
honestly used to this

Winnie (40:57):
right that's what

Khilli (40:58):
happens if your first lover is an abusive piece
of shit

Winnie (41:01):
yeah the whole time you get

Khilli (41:03):
it like as a like a no like that's normal

Nicky (41:06):
yeah

Khilli (41:06):
they

Winnie (41:07):
go through
these emotions where like you can see she's like yeah i deserve this i was not a good woman can
you please forgive me and he still doesn't forgive her so apparently that's a very yeah

Nicky (41:17):
yeah it's a very uh i mean this movie is making me uncomfortable i don't understand how you guys
like this

Speaker 5 (41:22):
i'll explain later so the tractor bashes into their room there's

Nicky (41:26):
a tractor that
rams into their room drops the carpet without the body uh as a sign of like you know i know what you
did last summer kind of thing

Adam (41:35):
but like what a way to show that like why not just leave the carpet
in the front door because then
Whoever's driving that tractor then has to jump out and run away.
Wouldn't they be like, who's that guy that just left the tractor?
Just leave it and hide.

Nicky (41:50):
It's a pretty wild series of events.

Adam (41:54):
Also, that means they're driving the tractor through the city, right?
So they go to the park, get the carpet out,
and then they're just driving along Bangkok again
with this body getting held by the tractor to go to this house.

Nicky (42:08):
Yeah, so when that happened, what does Simran suggest? She suggests that her husband should leave the country. Yeah, that's the best solution right there.
Just run.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
And just run.

Nicky (42:22):
And I think it's kind of funny because the movie is made in 2004, right? They go to Don Muang Airport.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
Because

Nicky (42:29):
one of whom never existed back then.

Speaker 5 (42:31):
Oh, wow.
They have to

Nicky (42:32):
fly to India.
They're flying back to India in Donwood.
That's a nice little piece

Speaker 5 (42:37):
of history

Nicky (42:38):
for me.
But instead of him going through with the plan,
he catches wind that she was being chased by the cops.
So that's when he decides to go back.
And it goes back to the present day where he confesses that,
hey, you know, he...
he did the murder

Winnie (42:58):
this whole act of her pushing him to go back
to India with Kabir also
kind of makes him fall in love with her
a little bit you see this playing out
in the background as all this is coming along
where he's starting to realize that he feels
like a stronger man with her by her side

Speaker 5 (43:13):
yeah and

Nicky (43:14):
and then he actually did say like you know we get this like really nice touching moment
like i guess where he like tells her it's not your fault

Speaker 5 (43:22):
i'm

Nicky (43:23):
the one that caused it you know

Winnie (43:25):
right being

Nicky (43:25):
unattentive

Winnie (43:26):
i never cared for your feelings so you see that so that's

Adam (43:29):
why i

Winnie (43:30):
like
this movie it's very mature he

Khilli (43:32):
always had reason to fall in love with her she was caring she was
everything yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
But I never realized how come she fallen in love with that piece of shit guy.

Winnie (43:44):
That's the biggest mystery.
Yeah.
I don't think she is in love with him necessarily.
She's doing it out of duty, right?
Like to

Khilli (43:50):
be the mother.
At the beginning, yes.
But towards the end, like it's

Winnie (43:53):
kind of shown that like,

Khilli (43:55):
they are in love now
and together.
Well, of course,

Winnie (43:57):
by the end of the movie,
she'll fall in love with him
because she just dealt with Sunny, right?
Like, when you realize
that that kind of man

Speaker 5 (44:02):
exists,
yeah, you run back
into the

Winnie (44:05):
arms of the man
who slaps you.
At least he's not going to kill you
and rape you.
He's a nice guy
in this scenario.
Pick your poison,

Adam (44:12):
ladies.

Khilli (44:13):
I would have liked
both of them to die.
But anyway, yeah.
If I

Adam (44:15):
was him,
even though she's hot and stuff,
like, I would feel so weird
fucking my dead wife's sister.
No matter how hot
or caring she is,
I would not be into that.

Khilli (44:25):
yeah uh

Nicky (44:26):
and it would have ended there you know he admitted he goes to jail but no we need to have
like a very bodywood twist that we're like hang on that doesn't explain where the body went

Adam (44:35):
yeah
wait a second actually we didn't solve shit because there's no body and

Nicky (44:41):
then what did we find out he was
Sonny was alive the whole time.
I think this is the moment where it's like a jump the shark moment to me.

Adam (44:51):
So go back in time.
He's like faking dead the whole time.
He's getting dragged around Bangkok when they're like asking about his shit.
He's like listening to that.
Yeah.
He's just getting dragged around like alive.
Why?
Just get out.
Yeah.
Just run.
Beat him up.

Nicky (45:07):
They find this out because like they arrested like his girl, Sunny's girlfriend, right? And then she said that, oh, I saw him dragging the body, so I followed him. And then there's a moment where like Sudhir like walks away from the car in the parking lot. And then like, she just goes up to the trunk of his car and then it just opens.

Winnie (45:27):
he's just like

Adam (45:28):
chilling drinking tea

Winnie (45:29):
there's a bloody hand sticking out

Nicky (45:33):
and then Sonny was like
we gotta keep up the charade
because like
blackmail him and he's gonna pay
we're gonna get all the money and then we can
live a happy life I

Winnie (45:43):
don't know
and Sonny's plan is also to get Sudhir into prison
right make it

Nicky (45:47):
look like

Adam (45:48):
he killed

Winnie (45:48):
Sonny
so that Sonny could then be with Simran
but

Adam (45:51):
he's telling this girl like look if you take
these photos and blackmail
him then i will leave you so like this is all so i can be with this other girl she's like okay cool
i can't wait to

Khilli (46:02):
get broken up with infatuation

Adam (46:03):
yeah it's

Nicky (46:05):
like the second girl makes the plot a
little kooky i guess sonny's

Adam (46:09):
really good at sex is what the movie's trying to

Nicky (46:11):
like

Speaker 5 (46:11):
convey to you
like crazier

Nicky (46:13):
these chicks

Adam (46:14):
go crazy over his dick man like that's all they're i mean that's all
understanding from this
So,

Nicky (46:19):
yeah, that's what happened.
He's alive and he shows up at Simran's home.
And again, he tries to get all murdery and rapey.
And then we get this really thriller-esque scene where she's trying to run away from him in the rain.
And then the police catches wind of it.
Sudhir in jail hears of it.
He fucking jumps out of the police station window.

(46:44):
I don't know if you remember that.
He jumps out like...
And then runs away from the

Winnie (46:48):
top.
And police are like firing

Adam (46:49):
shots at him
and he's

Winnie (46:50):
just running.

Nicky (46:53):
None of the shots.
He's like a

Adam (46:54):
messed out Superman at this point,

Winnie (46:56):
by the way.
He did remind me of Clark Kent.
He

Speaker 5 (46:58):
totally does.
Yeah, checks

Winnie (47:00):
out.

Nicky (47:01):
So yeah, where are the, you know,
and so this is like the finale,
the climax.
They're like end up in some sort of like...
Hedge maze?

Adam (47:09):
It does not exist in

Winnie (47:11):
Bangkok.
They're

Adam (47:11):
running around and

Winnie (47:12):
they're such

Adam (47:13):
a fucking hedge maze that you'd find like a Halloween place.
I've never seen this anywhere in

Speaker 5 (47:18):
Thailand.

Adam (47:19):
And they're like just stuck in this maze.

Khilli (47:22):
That's Sukumit, bro.

Nicky (47:25):
It's the Sukumit hedge maze.
Haven't you guys heard?
Sorry, I'm late.
I was stuck

Adam (47:28):
in the hedge maze again.
I

Nicky (47:29):
couldn't

Adam (47:30):
find my way out.
The one that's in the middle of the sidewalk.
I always get lost in there.

Nicky (47:35):
And then, yeah, to make a long story short, they get stuck in this hedge maze.
The three main characters, Sudhir and Sunny, gets into a fight.
In the rain.

Adam (47:44):
It's kind of like The Shining, actually.
Yeah.

Nicky (47:47):
Sudhir wins, and then, you know, he embraces Simran.
Not before, like, Sunny comes back with a rake, and then that's when the police chief comes in and shoots him to death.
death

Adam (48:00):
like through the hedge maze
through the hedge
like

Speaker 5 (48:03):
somehow

Adam (48:04):
he's like running around
this maze and missing dead ends and then
shoots him right in time yeah
it's also really funny

Winnie (48:10):
because we have this scene where
Sonny like gets up and he
sees the two of them hugging and he just turns
around and walks away and they think that's the
end they're like well this guy just tried to
ruin our lives but now we can just keep hugging
he's gone danger is gone
There's no way he'll show up again with the rake.
He

Adam (48:25):
doesn't seem crazy.

Winnie (48:27):
Yeah, right?
He seems like a reasonable guy.
He sees now we're in love.
He'll leave us alone.
He says

Adam (48:31):
we're married, right?

Khilli (48:32):
Firing three shots to a man who doesn't have a gun.
It's like so unnecessarily overwhelming.
Like, why are you shooting

Adam (48:41):
like three?
He had a hoe.
Like, that's dangerous as shit.

Winnie (48:47):
You mean when Sunny was gonna hit them with a rake and the police fight?
Yeah, police fires

Khilli (48:50):
like three fucking shots.
Like

Winnie (48:51):
when

Khilli (48:52):
he's like falling down,
like just fucking fire a shot with his hand or something.
Like why are you killing people like left and right?
Why are you killing the

Winnie (48:59):
rapist police?
Save the rapist.
The

Khilli (49:01):
police doesn't know what's happening.
The police is killing himself.

Winnie (49:04):
The police have enough context.

Khilli (49:06):
You're killing someone.
It's a proper investigation.
Now you just have like...
like details from two

Adam (49:11):
people he's about

Winnie (49:14):
to

Khilli (49:14):
he's about to

Winnie (49:15):
kill

Khilli (49:15):
like the couple

Winnie (49:17):
rake

Khilli (49:18):
is i mean they're in between of a fighting like you see people fighting and then someone is
attacking someone is of course you have to de-escalate the situation you shot you shoot
his hand his leg or anything i mean
He shoot like three times to make sure he's dead.
Like, you could have shot like one shot anyway.
He's like falling down.
Okay, done.

(49:38):
No.
Like two more shots to make sure

Adam (49:40):
he's dead.
But if they shot him in the foot, he'd still hold on to that rake, which can kill so many

Speaker 5 (49:45):
people.

Winnie (49:45):
Yeah, yeah.
But also, I think it's okay.
It's okay that he died

Adam (49:49):
in the

Khilli (49:49):
end, right?
Weapon of mass destruction.

Winnie (49:51):
They know the story.
She's explained that, you know, she's explained the rapes and everything as well.
And he has a criminal offense.
So he's also...

Adam (49:58):
And he's a DJ.
Right,

Winnie (50:00):
right.
Yeah.
So worthy of.

Adam (50:04):
So

Speaker 5 (50:04):
like nobody gives a fuck.

Winnie (50:07):
Like Moonlight will find another DJ.
It'll be fine.

Adam (50:12):
Nobody

Speaker 5 (50:13):
cares.

Adam (50:14):
Yeah, that's the end of the movie.
He really wants that DJ gig at Moonlight.
The police officer really wants it.
Sonny was his competition.
Now at the end credits you see like the police officers DJing at Moonlight.
He's super happy.

Winnie (50:29):
that was a plot that's the plot

Nicky (50:31):
yeah that's it that was the end they they drive home
very silently like the end of a horror movie like they just survived an ordeal
and that's uh that's murder for you um oh before

Winnie (50:41):
that the police congratulates
Sudhir and Simran on
being able to sustain their marriage
and discovering this newfound love
and wishes them a good happy life together

Nicky (50:52):
I rolled my

Winnie (50:53):
eyes
when

Adam (50:53):
he said that I'm

Winnie (50:54):
like

Nicky (50:54):
oh my god
dude
the

Adam (50:57):
police is like yeah like hey you guys love each other
like your marriage said you really can't
leave this like you're bound so just
enjoy your new marriage just don't worry
about it
no trauma

Speaker 5 (51:07):
like

Adam (51:08):
they really like send them off like again the movie is very forgiving to her
they don't paint her in any bad light they totally forgive her and then the guy kind of
redeems himself and he admits his mistakes and like tries to put more effort into the

Speaker 5 (51:22):
relationship

Adam (51:22):
he's not like expecting her to like love him without him doing
anything

Winnie (51:26):
right

Adam (51:27):
right you know and yeah she has a lot of agency and and the police officer you know
says hey you're okay too you know like we don't care and you know that's a pretty solid message
if you're gonna cheat that's the way to do it yeah

Nicky (51:41):
you cheat to

Adam (51:42):
make your marriage stronger
That

Winnie (51:44):
is a takeaway message.

Adam (51:46):
It helped

Winnie (51:47):
them find love.
When you excite your marriage

Adam (51:50):
with cheating and intrigue and near death by rake, it just brings you guys closer together.
It's a big kink thing.
Jesus.

Nicky (52:02):
yeah
yeah so
and then I find out
that like
Murder is actually
part of like
a trilogy of films

Speaker 5 (52:09):
there's a second

Nicky (52:10):
Murder
with the same actor
but

Speaker 5 (52:13):
he plays

Nicky (52:13):
a different character
I don't know anything
do you know any
about that Kiwi?

Khilli (52:17):
I know they have
come up with
Murder 2
and Murder 3
or something
and

Nicky (52:20):
stuff like

Khilli (52:20):
that
but I've never
watched them
I think maybe murder 2, like, Sunny is, like,
leaves the game or something.
Oh, I think it's a totally different

Winnie (52:27):
story.
It is the

Khilli (52:28):
common theme of

Winnie (52:29):
it, I guess.
And I think he didn't come back for murder 3,
but they're apparently making murder 4 now,
and he's going to return for that.
Ooh!
I think Sunny

Khilli (52:36):
should return.

Winnie (52:37):
Like, the three bullets are

Khilli (52:39):
not enough.
Like, fuck, fuck, fuck, this...
Policies, guns, and everything.
Why?
Why he has to die?
He wants that DJ

Adam (52:47):
spot back.
He's going to kill the police officer to get back that moonlight gig.
That sweet moonlight gig.

Khilli (52:55):
He could afford such a big house.
Murder 2 and 3 is all about everyone just

Adam (52:58):
trying to get this moonlight gig.
Should we do the fear of stairs scale?
Yes.
Okay, so the staircase moment, I don't know about you guys, mine was when the guy rams the wall on his motorcycle in that song, if you guys remember.

Nicky (53:13):
It was just a romp, like someone crashed in that musical number and then they look back and then it just cuts to another scene and they never talk about it.
So

Adam (53:22):
they're doing like a montage about them being together, Sonny and...
Fuck.
Simran.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
Thank you.

Adam (53:31):
Sonny and Simran.
And they're like,
this was them during college, right?
And they're

Speaker 5 (53:34):
living like a fast

Adam (53:35):
and furious lifestyle.

Speaker 5 (53:36):
Yeah.
Like you got a motorcycle

Adam (53:37):
and they're doing all these races together
and they're doing this one race
with this other guy.
And it ends like when they...
approach a wall
with a very narrow
hall
and only
Sonny goes through
and the other guy
just slams into the wall
and dies instantly
and they just kind of
move on

Khilli (53:53):
but I like
like
so the guy was like
showing some wheelie
and like motorcycle stunt
and Simran was like
cheering for him
so that
irritated, sunny that like,
Simon is cheering for another guy.
So he becomes jealous and starts to like,
ram his motorcycle.
And then somehow there is no conversation.
The guy, the guy who was doing that,
they know the drill.

(54:13):
Like, this means like this race
that ends with the hallway,
like with one door and one person dies.
He just instantly goes into the race mode.
And then like, okay,
this is the thing that they have been doing.

Adam (54:26):
Like someone always dies in one of these races.
It's definitely.

Khilli (54:30):
it was psycho
if not someone
always dies
someone definitely
sometimes dies

Winnie (54:35):
and I guess another
big fear of stairs moment
is when Sunny comes back
to life right

Speaker 5 (54:38):
because we all think

Winnie (54:39):
he's dead
that is

Speaker 5 (54:40):
my fear of stairs moment
when

Nicky (54:42):
we realize
he's alive
it's like
a very Bollywood-esque
twist for me

Winnie (54:47):
and I really didn't see
that coming
because at that point
it felt like there was
enough plot
like

Nicky (54:51):
it had already

Winnie (54:52):
peaked
and it was about to
like come down
and all of a sudden
it's like whoop
another peak
another plot twist

Nicky (54:56):
I did feel like
Sudhir going to jail
would have been like
an ending

Winnie (55:00):
yeah exactly i

Khilli (55:02):
think that's where the french film ends as far as far i i read the
synopsis of the uh unfaithful wife uh synopsis floor synopsis yeah that's where the film ends
where sudir goes to jail and that's then the volume starts

Winnie (55:16):
it makes sense right because it
kind of makes sense and everything like flows well up till then and then you see like a bit of like
Bollywood craziness coming in like that masala twist that doesn't really add make sense it's like
confusing.

Adam (55:27):
When that happened I like pause the movie like what time is it like I thought the movie was done
I'm like why is there an hour more of this shit?

Winnie (55:34):
So basically when I try to add some originality
that's when things go haywire. They're like uh coming back from the dead I

Adam (55:40):
guess like where do we take it from there?
Yeah that makes a lot of sense okay yeah the coming back from the dead thing is the Indian thing.

Khilli (55:47):
yeah that's just like like you take and i like a french food and put some garam masala on top

Adam (55:52):
of
it to make it indian so

Winnie (55:55):
i would say give it like a four out of five for that

Adam (55:57):
there's a couple shocking moments that

Nicky (55:59):
i genuinely

Adam (56:00):
didn't see coming uh

Nicky (56:02):
dance floor clause
i mean it does serve the plot in a way right you get to see moments where like
you know,
Sunny and,
and Simran's relationship blossoms.
And there was even like this really cool,
I don't know how to explain it.
Like salsa music.
I don't know what it's like.
It's like,
it's like they,

(56:23):
it's like when Simran and Sudhir attend this like business dinner.
And then they have like this really nice tango dance.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a tango type thing.
It's a tango type

Nicky (56:33):
thing.
I thought that was kind of cool.
and there's a lot of tension between like you know jealousy and and and being unfaithful i don't know
i think it does serve the plot you guys said the songs were super popular right

Winnie (56:45):
yes yes this album
was one

Khilli (56:46):
of the highest selling

Winnie (56:47):
of the year well

Khilli (56:48):
kill you the kaho na kaho song the first song
that where they show the romance of sunny and simran in the university time
That's kind of taken from an Arabic song.
Like it has the Arabic part in it.
That's my most favorite song in this.
And that became really popular.
And then there was another one,
Bhege Hort There,
like when they're like again rejuvenating their romance in Bangkok,

(57:11):
like where they're like having sex all over the place.

Adam (57:14):
Yeah, that song got also popular.
I don't get,
I did not like the music at all in this movie.
I thought it was so boring.

Khilli (57:25):
Yeah.

Nicky (57:22):
It was kind of catchy.
Yeah,

Adam (57:24):
I liked

Nicky (57:24):
it.

Khilli (57:25):
Our scale was for dance numbers.
To be honest, there is not much dance

Speaker 5 (57:30):
number.
Only where Sunny grinds

Khilli (57:33):
against Simran while leaving his DJ desk.
During the DJing, he leaves his DJ console, goes on the dance floor and starts grinding on his girlfriend.
I think that's how DJ does it.

Adam (57:51):
The

Speaker 5 (57:51):
tractor shakes

Adam (57:52):
a little bit when it drops the

Speaker 5 (57:53):
body.

Adam (57:54):
That's like a robot dance, I guess.

Winnie (57:56):
But yeah, there's not too much dancing.
I think the music kind of drives the plot forward.
You see snippets of their relationship and...
rendezvous adventures but yeah

Adam (58:06):
family feud factor well absolutely this whole

Winnie (58:10):
movie is pretty much a
domestic issue right it's

Adam (58:13):
very weird incestuous stuff going on

Winnie (58:16):
yeah

Adam (58:16):
like you're sleeping with
your sister's husband and taking care of your sister's kid and then sleeping with your college
boyfriend who went to jail and
for killing a guy

Winnie (58:29):
but i do like that this movie kind of explores family dynamics in a very
like nuclear individual family sense you don't have the in-laws

Khilli (58:35):
and the relatives and

Winnie (58:37):
the parents
that comes with so many bollywood films

Khilli (58:38):
i think that's where the like bangkok comes into

Winnie (58:42):
right
they had

Speaker 5 (58:44):
to get out of india yeah i

Khilli (58:45):
mean even in different city of india wouldn't fail far enough
it's

Adam (58:48):
actually really interesting so like if they're gonna take the french story they're like we cannot do this in india because there'd
too many in-laws to deal with.
So they would have to change the story too much.
So they just have to literally move out

Speaker 5 (58:59):
of India
so they

Adam (59:00):
can

Khilli (59:00):
do that story

Speaker 5 (59:02):
and have

Adam (59:02):
it make sense to anyone.

Khilli (59:03):
Yeah, adaptation.
Now, this is

Adam (59:06):
actually,
this is kind of the first time
I think we'll ever go to Nikki for this,
but regional heat check.
Well, how did they,
did they get a...
The region of Bangkok or Indians in Bangkok?
Actually, sorry.
I don't know.
Yeah, you too.
Sorry.
What's the regional heat check?
Just if they got Bangkok right.

Nicky (59:21):
Well, I mean, I was going to say that there was, we did mention it a little bit, but they
were like, oh, I have to go to meet a friend within the city, within the next shot is like
a beach.

(59:42):
Yeah.
I'm definitely
80-90% sure
that where Sunny was living
that's a paria walking street
that has to be
it's not accurate but again
I don't think anything of that
really matters

Adam (59:50):
maybe?
They do the same weird
geography stuff
in The Hangover too.

Nicky (59:53):
Yeah.
Like where

Adam (59:54):
they go
from like one tower
to like a boat
you know
which isn't really possible.
But at

Winnie (59:59):
least they depicted
Bangkok as a
normal city.
It looks like
you know
what real Bangkok does.
There's no yellow filter
like there was in Hangover.
They're not going to the slum areas

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
intentionally to

Winnie (01:00:09):
show
like the poverty sides
of Bangkok.
It's a balanced
you see the sky trains the really nice skyline he has from his office like

Nicky (01:00:16):
yeah the bts

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
train you
see

Nicky (01:00:17):
the taxi with the taxi

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
yeah

Nicky (01:00:19):
like

Adam (01:00:20):
an erotic thriller they don't show any of like the things
thailand is known for like erotic wise like

Winnie (01:00:25):
they don't show walking street

Adam (01:00:27):
or soy cowboy or anything

Winnie (01:00:28):
like yeah yeah so that's why it doesn't serve like a direct implication the plot line i think
it's just to show that they're away from india like kill you said when i first

Adam (01:00:36):
like heard that it was like an erotic thriller set in bangkok i was like oh that makes sense like
they need to be in thailand because it's like sexier and there's like more nudity no you don't
see any like

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
thai girls there's

Adam (01:00:46):
no nudity they literally just did to get rid of the family

Speaker 5 (01:00:49):
yeah and they don't use any

Adam (01:00:50):
of like the thai like

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
sexual stuff

Nicky (01:00:54):
And then another thing that I found funny was that the private investigator called Sudhir to meet up with him.
And he said that let's meet at Kings Park Street.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
What's Kings Park

Nicky (01:01:04):
Street?
What is that?
That's an Indian name for

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
sure.

Nicky (01:01:08):
That is not in Bangkok.
I even Googled it.
Is it something in 2004 that kind of like gets phased out?
by now
and I was like
no there is no such thing

Winnie (01:01:15):
no they're just like
Thailand has a royal family
or we'll call it
King's Park Street

Nicky (01:01:19):
King's Park Street

Khilli (01:01:20):
where were they sitting
they were sitting
somewhere near the palace
palace area right
they

Nicky (01:01:24):
were like
he was like
Sunny was like
driving the motorbike
and then you see like
a shot of the palace

Winnie (01:01:30):
oh yeah right
it

Khilli (01:01:32):
was not the private
investigator
yeah they do show

Winnie (01:01:34):
quite a bit of scenes
in Bangkok
they show democracy
monument as well
and a couple rooftops
they're on
right right
Danmung

Adam (01:01:40):
Danmung airport
one
uh what's the moral of the movie cheating is bad no like cheating helps saving marriage that's
that's what i think it was yeah was that like actually setting up elaborate role-playing games
makes you closer with your partner

Winnie (01:01:56):
well yeah i'd say the takeaway is just you know be mindful of
the men you go with sometimes it seems fun on the surface and like if you're bored in life yeah like
that's a tempting shiny new thing but it comes to consequences so
You know, the moment you see a red flag.
If you see a red flag,

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
turn around.
Are there

Winnie (01:02:14):
any red flags that

Adam (01:02:15):
you noticed in Sunny, Winnie, that would kind of make you, you know...
I

Winnie (01:02:19):
think this was a timely watch.
So thank you, Kili, for suggesting this film.

Adam (01:02:23):
I have

Winnie (01:02:23):
applied it to my personal life.
And...
yeah hopefully I'll be better off
women

Khilli (01:02:29):
should watch it
obsessive would be the right word

Winnie (01:02:31):
like not passionate

Khilli (01:02:32):
no

Winnie (01:02:33):
at first it seems passionate
and then you realize
it's a very thin line
between passionate and obsessive

Adam (01:02:38):
right
so like
walk that

Winnie (01:02:40):
carefully
I

Adam (01:02:40):
think if anyone's obsessed with you
after barely talking to you
that's
pretty big red flag in this movie.
I'm not talking about anything else.

Winnie (01:02:50):
But

Adam (01:02:50):
yes.
Alright. Yeah.
I guess that's it. Yeah? Yep. I love this
movie. I mean like I'll say
that. Sorry. This is my final reason I really like this movie
is because when you tell me
like we're going to watch like an Indian erotic
thriller set in Bangkok, I'm really expecting shit.
And like the IMDb score was
really low. I was like whatever. But
like honestly like and maybe because it's based off other movies but it is well written like the

(01:03:14):
story is constructed well and there is like compared to movies now like i i did think the the the
structure and the story and the writing was good and yeah like i do like that they don't she's not
like a whore in this
like they don't treat her like that

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
and so

Adam (01:03:28):
I was like this is like a 10 out of 10
for me compared to like my scale
of what I was expecting

Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
which was

Adam (01:03:34):
just a very misogynistic kind of like
shitty thing this was a pretty good kind of
pulp pulpy detective
fiction

Nicky (01:03:40):
I liked it
Yeah, when you put it that way, I understand it.
But I was disappointed there were no boobs.

Adam (01:03:48):
Right.
I mean, if there were boobs and it was a really horrible, misogynic story, I mean, yeah, I would have loved it more.
But it wasn't.
So take what you can get.
Yeah.

Winnie (01:03:55):
No, I think it's a very interesting movie.
Like, it made me feel uncomfortable, to be honest.
But I enjoyed it.
It was an easy watch.
I think you guys are like...
I'm not happy about the fact that she's not really held accountable for cheating.
But I do think that is quite progressive for Bollywood at the time

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
as well.
Because

Winnie (01:04:11):
usually women don't really do much wrong.
But they're still painted in such a negative light anyway.
So it's nice that she was able to kind of have this infidelity.
But she was not shamed upon.
It was not the main point of the movie.
It was also...
there was enough context
actions from the guys
to kind of

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
take the

Winnie (01:04:31):
weight off
of that alone
so people don't just
vilify her
but also understand
the context
and I think that is
that is probably progressive
for that time
and they
it still is now

Nicky (01:04:39):
right
I really liked it
when the guy
when her husband
was gonna go to jail
and he told her
it's not her fault

Winnie (01:04:45):
right right
and then you see a big
redemption arc
character growth there
It's a very

Nicky (01:04:48):
good scene.
I love it.
But still, no boobs.
So zero out of ten.

Winnie (01:04:52):
Bye.
Bye-bye.