Nadaaniyan (2025)

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Winnie (00:00):
Welcome to Desi Films Decoded, the podcast where four friends from different backgrounds unlock the world of Desi cinema.
I'm Winnie, the Desi who's never been to India.

Khilli (00:08):
We have gone a few real stairs.
You didn't say real stairs, you said Desi Films
Decoded.

Winnie (00:13):
I was so proud of doing it without looking at my notes app.
You

Adam (00:17):
just got the whole name of the podcast wrong,
but everything else is spot on.

Winnie (00:20):
-
Welcome
to Fear of Sairs, Desi Films Decoded, the podcast where four friends from different backgrounds unlock the world of Desi cinema.

(00:46):
I'm Winnie, the Desi who's never been to India.

Khilli (00:48):
Hi, I'm Killy, who admires Karan Jehor's film a lot.

Nicky (00:52):
I'm Nikki. I occasionally like rom-com films.

Adam (00:57):
I'm Adam, the Western film buff, and
after watching this movie I learned that Mao was right and cultural revolutions are necessary sometimes.

Nicky (01:08):
So today we're doing like a Netflix film of all things, which you know what that means.

Adam (01:14):
High top quality, good writing, good acting, good cinematography, a lot of care being put into it.

Nicky (01:23):
And that film is a very recent one called Nadania.

Adam (01:28):
Nadania.

Nicky (01:29):
Nadania.
Yeah.
It's a teen rom-com in the year 2025, which feels like a movie that was made in...
2003
Like a

Adam (01:43):
She's All That era
type romcom

Nicky (01:46):
I'm in disbelief that such a thing exists today
and I don't know about you guys
but watching the movie
was like eating
wet cardboard
it's just super but you can

Adam (01:58):
get nutrients out of wet
cardboard
like
maybe like very little
but that's more than this movie maybe who's the director do you remember i don't
remember

Winnie (02:08):
but producer is karen joe her yeah i

Khilli (02:10):
have i i have a feeling that the director was 17 when
around 2002 2003 so that's that's what she remembers being seven i mean absolutely i like
that you assume

Winnie (02:19):
the gender the gender of the director is a woman

Khilli (02:22):
I
know.
It is?
Yeah.
Yeah, it is.
I forgot the name.

Nicky (02:28):
Well,
yeah, it's your typical...
I think

Adam (02:29):
they forgot they were directing a film,

Nicky (02:31):
too.
It's okay.
It's like, this is what kids do.
But yeah, this is a very forgettable rom-com.
You have your usual two opposite characters getting into some...
shenanigans
and then them falling in love
and there's your usual misunderstanding

(02:51):
at the later
part of the film.
I don't know how...
Well, we should

Adam (02:56):
explain why we chose this movie.
But before that,
because we have some time,
we're starting an hour late
because what were you guys doing?

Nicky (03:06):
Oh.

Adam (03:07):
Which is nice. I don't know. We should talk about it.

Nicky (03:10):
I just went to a Japanese onsen.

Adam (03:12):
Okay.
Just to

Nicky (03:13):
relax.

Winnie (03:14):
I just went to get a massage to try to cure my office syndrome back

Adam (03:18):
So this is nice like this is you know, I hope that went well. How was the spa? I'm kind of envious

Nicky (03:24):
Well, it got a little stressful because I knew it was running away
Because you did confirm

Adam (03:28):
four o'clock
I think it
was a whole hour late

Nicky (03:31):
And then at four o'clock said

Adam (03:32):
I'm leaving. I'm at the onsen right now

Nicky (03:34):
I you know, I thought I had everything under control, but then my friend was in town and
He's from Canada.
He wanted to explore things he missed in Thailand.
I thought I could squeeze in all these things before four,
but then I kind of got lost in the sauna.

Adam (03:52):
Wait, was there more than the onsen that you did with this guy?

Winnie (03:56):
Wait, what?
No, I mean, you

Adam (03:57):
said he wanted to do activities and stuff.

Nicky (04:00):
He wanted to go to Chinatown, but then I told him,
yeah, if you didn't know, I got this podcast for...
with with my few friends it was like what's about i was like it's it's on indian movies and he's
like hmm yeah that's

Winnie (04:14):
kind of the reaction i tend to get oh

Nicky (04:16):
cool
but

Winnie (04:18):
honestly at this point if we
say four i kind of know we're gonna start at five we're running on indian time which is i think
pretty appropriate since we're doing a podcast about indian movies sure

Adam (04:28):
fine
i'll say three
next time no i just i just want to know how the onsen went so it was

Nicky (04:33):
relaxing it's not my first
rodeo i mean yeah there for like
a few years.
Your Canadian friend

Adam (04:37):
misses those?

Nicky (04:39):
He's never been
to a Japanese onsens
of all the things.
And now he's going to
develop a new personality
when he goes back
to Toronto.
He'll be like,
you ever been to one
of those Japanese onsens?
It's a

Adam (04:52):
great first date place.

Winnie (04:53):
And then he's going to
talk about how he only
spent 20 bucks
on a new one.
And you could spend a whole day there.

Nicky (04:57):
Is there not

Adam (04:57):
onsens in, like, Toronto?

Winnie (04:59):
I never saw one.
I've seen New York.

Nicky (05:01):
He did tell me there are, but I guess he never had, like, buddies

Adam (05:03):
to go with.

Winnie (05:04):
A massage, at minimum, would cost 60, 70 bucks in Rochester.

Adam (05:09):
But the onsens is just hot water.
And, like, for a place that snows, that would be incredible.

Nicky (05:13):
Well, it's not just hot water.
You have, like, a bunch of, like, pools.
Like, pools that are set at different temperatures.
So, like, you'll have, like, a cold bath at one end where you...
like zero degrees.
Why?
Just to, you know,
for the cold baths,
it would be more like,

(05:34):
you know, relaxing your body
sort of thing.
And then when you go,
and then there's like the hot water,
there's like a jet stream bath
and then another one
is like a signature bath
where they throw in
like all sorts of like salts
and water.
and nutrients
and

Winnie (05:50):
there's an outdoor area
where you can just sit
and relax
under the sun
there's a

Nicky (05:54):
steam room
yeah
a tea bath
a restaurant

Adam (05:58):
a restaurant
yeah you can

Winnie (05:59):
wear
a yukata
and just like
there's a sleeping room
as well
you said yukata
is it correct
it's correct
oh yes
because

Nicky (06:05):
my friend was like
when are we going to
wear those kimonos
and I'm thinking to myself
I don't want to correct
this man right now
it's not a kimono
it's a yukata

Adam (06:13):
this stupid pleb
doesn't know
what he's talking about
it's a very Japanese

Nicky (06:17):
thing I guess
Have

Winnie (06:18):
you guys not gone to the
I've gone to that

Adam (06:19):
one
I really like it

Winnie (06:20):
Oh okay yeah
So for the men's section
You have to be completely naked
The women's

Adam (06:24):
you don't?

Winnie (06:25):
No they give you like
A little like a tube top
Oh
Yeah I mean it's still
Kind of see through
But you're not fully exposed
Nice
Yeah

Adam (06:32):
Nikki was it weird
Going there with your friend

Nicky (06:34):
No
I feel like I've seen all of my
Arcadian friends

Adam (06:40):
Not mine
I've never been to an onsen with you
Unless I'm not aware of it
I've seen

Nicky (06:45):
Tim
I've seen Larry's
You don't have to list

Adam (06:48):
it

Nicky (06:51):
They just got so

Adam (06:53):
name blasted

Winnie (06:54):
I'm just like naming people
And then review each of them

Adam (06:58):
You can't help

Winnie (06:59):
but look

Nicky (07:00):
Can I get some

Adam (07:01):
dick ratings on each of them
Yeah that's

Nicky (07:02):
not happening
You have to pay for the onsen
Yeah for the Patreon
You'll hear

Adam (07:08):
dick ratings of our friends

Nicky (07:12):
Keely you're the only one
Keely and Adam's the only one left I haven't seen
Fear of stairs
I'll keep that as long as possible

Adam (07:19):
Have you been to the onsen Keely?
No never heard
Yeah, we should go.
We should take a field trip.
I've gone

Khilli (07:25):
to onsen, like a hot spring.
Yeah.
Not Japanese onsen, like
hot

Adam (07:30):
springs.

Winnie (07:31):
It's a really good way to spend the entire day.

Nicky (07:33):
Oh, your body just feels like it's gone through some rebirth.
Refresh.

Adam (07:38):
But it was crowded.
It's kind of tough when it's crowded.

Winnie (07:41):
Yeah, Sundays are the most crowded.
but like if you can go on a weekday
it's pretty good
do

Adam (07:46):
you get the passes
like the monthly
uh

Nicky (07:49):
I have a monthly pass
I have like a
I only buy vouchers
yeah
which gives you like
you can enter
you can use them
within like a six month period
Yeah
I

Winnie (08:02):
have a whole 10 day package
Oh that's right
Have you used it yet?
Thanks to all three of you

Adam (08:07):
Have you been using it?
I haven't used

Winnie (08:08):
it yet
But I was going to today
But I had the podcast
So I thought I wouldn't have enough time

Adam (08:13):
Sorry
But

Winnie (08:13):
yeah
I'm sure I'll use it
When I was

Nicky (08:16):
at the onsen today
I was thinking
I wonder when he's used it
any of those options you bought
her.

Winnie (08:21):
- Not just yet.
I've been mainly getting massages lately.
Trying to fix my back.

Adam (08:25):
- Is that working with the,
'cause I have office syndrome too.
- Not at all.

Winnie (08:29):
I mean, it helps for a few hours
and then by the next day on Monday,
you go back to the office and it just comes back.
- You have to stretch and exercise and walk.

Khilli (08:37):
- Yeah, keep on, like keep to stay,
resume your workout routine.

Winnie (08:42):
- Yeah, my yoga.

Adam (08:43):
Everyone in America
When they're like
When they know that
I live in Thailand
Ask about
You know massages and stuff
And
it's true
I get them all the time here
I never got up in America
And it's
It's just

Winnie (08:55):
not affordable
It's not

Adam (08:56):
affordable
It's so expensive
And like luxurious
Yeah
Over there that you're just you just don't unless it's like yeah birthday present
But
here like and it's not like an elite thing like Thai people get massages all the time, too. Like it's just very
Available and like and it's really nice.

Winnie (09:13):
Yeah, it's like a lifestyle here. So it's
accessible
like

Adam (09:16):
this isn't the bragging corner but we do get massages quite frequently that is
like a true stereotype and it's lovely
killie

Winnie (09:22):
we killie got one last night he's about to go back
today he just asked me it would be weird to go back two days in a row and i'm just like i'm sure
he'll be flattering that's what i said

Adam (09:30):
he thought it'd be weird but i thought it like that it's
repeat customers they like that that's a good
thing
okay
when i was in uh no killie what was the air when i was in veranasi i was trying to get a
massage why
because
i was in pain dude the bed sucked
okay

(09:50):
i like i'm very sensitive

Khilli (09:52):
experience
i really want to know a massage experience no well it

Adam (09:54):
never happened because they split it by
genders they're like if you get a first of all it's very hard to get

Khilli (10:00):
Yeah.

Adam (10:01):
And I'm fine.
I had to ask some weird drug dealing like, what's that?
Oh, Lassie, you know, like the shroom Lassie guy, the weed Lassie guy.
Like I was asking him and like, you know, there's people, but he's like, if you're a man, it can only be with another man.
Or if it's a woman, that's with a woman.
And like, I've

(10:21):
had...
in India, like when they shave you, they massage.
And I've never felt so much pain
when they're like hammering on your shoulders and stuff.
I was just very afraid of getting like a male massage
while I was there.
So I just didn't.
But I really wanted one
because I was like in like a ton of pain
from just the hard beds.
And if it was Thai...

(10:42):
But no, actually, you know where the only place I got a massage in India was?
In Bodh Gaya, right?
Where they have the Buddha was under the tree.

Nicky (10:52):
Yeah.

Adam (10:52):
There's all these different temples owned by different Buddhist countries.
And they have one from Japan and Cambodia, but Thailand's the biggest.
And the royal family donated a lot to that area.
And the Thai temple has...
massage places
fuck yeah
so you can go get
Thai massages and stuff
and you can even go
and sleep there
like for free if you want
like the Thai pavilion
is huge over there

(11:12):
and it's really nice
but yeah
that was the only place
I got was a Thai massage
in the Thai temple
yeah
that's beautiful

Nicky (11:19):
oh it sounds
sounds like a
to do with
to do
I have to put that
on my to-do list

Adam (11:24):
you

Winnie (11:24):
know what else
everyone has to put
on their to-do list
watching Nadania
okay
sorry

Adam (11:29):
let's go on

Winnie (11:31):
I

Adam (11:32):
was putting it off

Nicky (11:33):
with cardboard

Winnie (11:34):
no I can see why
you're putting it off Adam
I don't blame you
so Nikki

Adam (11:37):
gave the
rundown
but why did we watch it
there

Nicky (11:40):
is a
very topical news

Winnie (11:51):
happening

Nicky (11:42):
happening. Winnie, would you mind explaining?
- Oh

Winnie (11:44):
yeah, I don't know.
I just saw on Instagram a lot of top comments
about people complaining about how Nadania was
in our generation and I figured,
I was wondering what this was.
Turns out it was going viral on social media
for being terrible.
I'm not even on like Indian Instagram,
but it was like flooding my feed.
- Really? - Yeah.
So I was like, wow, this is like pretty big news.

(12:04):
And then I read up about it.
I found that article about the controversy with the lead actor getting angry at the Pakistani journalist.
So I suggested we watch it.
3.1 rating on IMDb.
What did you see on your clips?

Adam (12:17):
Like what was popping up on your feed?

Winnie (12:20):
Just people complaining about it.
If I looked up for it, you know, like, but most of it was just comments.
But what are they saying about it?
Complaining that we got
this
movie in our generation.
I don't remember exactly.
Okay,

Khilli (12:33):
I'm just curious
Karan Johor is making this
School universe
Where he has this
Not in a
MCU thing
Not in a MCU way, but it's like
In a thematic way
Okay, so he's making these films where these rich students go to a like a posh school

(12:56):
says and then there would be one guy who comes from apparently some poor background, like
which is in Dharma Productions standard.
They are not poor.
They're very rich as well.
But like they're poorer than the industrialists.
right so there would be one guy
is always a guy

(13:16):
and then they would be like looked down upon
like bullied for their economic
condition and stuff like that and then
they would be the underdog hero
kind of film so he has done
student of the year student of the year too
and this film
Nadania and then this
who also like looks like a reminiscent
of Uch Kuch Hota Hai which was like

(13:37):
Karan Jura's first director
directorial debut with
Shara Khan, Kajol
Wow, a million

Adam (13:44):
times more charisma
in those two people

Khilli (13:47):
So
there are a lot of kickbacks
if you remember there was this
principal of the school
Miss Breganza or something
like was like
using all of the
WTF

Winnie (13:59):
OMG
yeah yeah
so even

Khilli (14:02):
Kuch Kuch Wotai
had the same actor
the character name
was Miss Braganza
but that was not a school
that was a college
but it's a kickback
I mean it's a
and it would have
made more sense
reference

Adam (14:12):
to
Karan Jehor's
earlier aesthetics
she also played
a prison warden
in his other series
no I'm kidding

Khilli (14:25):
I'm kidding
So that's the thing, like he's repeating doing it and he's known for launching kids from film family to Bollywood.
So it's like he has launched Alia Bhatt at one point, who turned out to be a really good actor later.
But he has done with few other people.

Adam (14:42):
He's kind of like Coppola, in a way.
Where like his, I feel like where he kind of shepherds new people,
but also his family is in a lot of the film industry as well, maybe.

Khilli (14:52):
It's like for him, it's not his family.
He's, it's like other people's family because
Oh, right.
Because he doesn't have kids.

Adam (15:02):
We're all laughing about having a family.
What

Winnie (15:05):
do you call it?
Openly closeted gay.
Yeah, that's how Khilli describes her
and enjoy her status.

Khilli (15:12):
Openly closeted gay person.
But this movie was

Winnie (15:15):
also going viral
because of the lead actor being
Saif, Abraham Ali Khan,
who is Saif Ali's
son.

Khilli (15:23):
And the daughter of
uh...
Sridevi
is she also famous
Sridevi was like a
terrific actress
in Bollywood
yeah
so Nepo baby
she was amazing
and her
already one daughter
got debuted
in one of the films
and I think

(15:44):
this girl is
it's not her debut
it's a
third or
some film
and yeah
so
they're like
two kids
from film family
yeah
but wasn't
Shah Rukh Khan
and
Kadral

Adam (15:56):
even
kind of
Nepo Babies 2

Khilli (15:59):
no I don't think
no
Shah Rukh Khan
I mean these people
had maybe some connection
but the
Shah Rukh Khan is not
quote-unquote Napo baby.
Rick de Groshen was.
Rick de Groshen was.

Adam (16:11):
Sure.
It's just,
those guys have so much,
I mean,
because even if they are,
I'm saying like,
at least those guys
had tremendous charisma.

Khilli (16:17):
No,
there are Napo kids
who are really

Adam (16:19):
hardworking.

Khilli (16:21):
Yeah,
I mean,
there are no good ones.
So why were these

Adam (16:23):
put in this movie?
They have nothing.

Khilli (16:24):
I think there have been
always this influx
of Napo kids
and then some do well
because they are good
and some doesn't,
they get lost.
Yeah.
Yeah,

Adam (16:33):
it didn't seem like they spent a lot of money on this film.

Winnie (16:36):
But I don't think he was terrible.
He was receiving a lot of hatred on social media for terrible acting.
From critics as well for just being really bad at acting.
I don't think it was that bad.
I think it was just bad writing, bad plot.
The movie was worse than the acting.
I was

Khilli (16:48):
talking to Winnie about it.
For me, it also felt like terrible writing, worse direction.
It's it's it those like those technicalities of the filmmaking was were way worse than the acting part
I mean acting I think they were salvage
salvageable
actors
These two kids like they may not be that good

(17:11):
But they could have been okay under different circumstances on different directors and stuff. They can't

Adam (17:16):
dance though
They didn't even dance or sing.
- It

Winnie (17:19):
was so not memorable.
I don't remember the dances.
- I don't remember any of them.
- There's two

Adam (17:23):
music segments and they just,
it was very bland.
'Cause at first I thought the movie
just didn't have music at all.
I was like, this is

Khilli (17:30):
bad.
And then they did it and like they,
you don't remember it at all.
Funniest thing, we were watching this film with my niece.
Actually, yeah, that's worth

Adam (17:39):
mentioning.
And your nephew.
She's

Khilli (17:41):
17 and the characters are 17 after, after.
So she was like very interested, like when I offered her like,
oh, we are going to watch this film for the podcast.
And she was like, yes, I want to judge this film
because all of my friends are like writing about it
and like talking about, talking shit about it, this film.
And then I want to watch this film and judge.
I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

(18:02):
Let's come.
Let's go and do it.
And then after the film, the first thing she said, like, I am 17.
I didn't relate a single thing, literally single thing in this film.

Adam (18:11):
I mean, that's, I think, the key issue is like on every level, it's incredibly unrelatable.
Like the actors are supposed to be in high school, but they all look like they're 25 and above.
They are rich beyond...
up
like the the earlier films like the um keijo films right

Khilli (18:30):
like

Adam (18:31):
they were aspirational and kind
of fantastical but in a way where like you didn't need it to be relatable like it was
cool just rich people living in a weird world but then in this one they're living in our world
In places that exist like that, with families that actually act like that, and it's not relatable, it's just insulting to watch.

(18:52):
And like when she was saying that she gets a new car every year, I don't know who would enjoy looking at that or how.
That's not aspirational.
It's just insulting to everyone else because you know that's true for them.
Is it?
I mean, what are they talking about?

(19:13):
Like, that's not a realistic or cool thing to say,
if they're not.
I feel like it's just true.
I

Khilli (19:18):
remember one of the film family kids,
Ranbir Kapoor, you know Ranbir Kapoor, right?
Yeah, he's like a good actor.
So there was a...
There was an interview he did with the newspaper where he said,
"Oh, we were so poor, we didn't even have a Mercedes or BMW or anything.
We couldn't go to trip to Europe."

(19:40):
Like all of my peers were going to a trip to Europe.
We struggled a lot.
We know what it is to struggle.
So that came out on the newspaper
And people are like
So
Fucking
So
Hilarious
Like
What?
Like
Because you didn't have a Mercedes Benz

(20:00):
Or you didn't have
Yeah you had the worst life ever
That's why like
You had like a Toyota or something
That's why like
That's why you're
That
You struggled a lot.
Every time

Adam (20:10):
I had to put the key in my Ford, I was crying.
Everyone was making fun of me.
You couldn't go to Europe

Khilli (20:15):
for your holidays.
That's struggle.
Yes, right.
In India.
It's the context of India, right?
It's not the context of US or something.
It's the context of India.
Yeah.
It's absurd.

Adam (20:36):
They...

Khilli (20:29):
And

Adam (20:29):
the conflict comes because she's in a high class where she gets a new car every year and everyone's just filthy rich. And then the guy she wants to be with is in a lower class of being a very upper class class.
person
with like a doctor for a father and an incredibly nice home and he's like too lower

(20:53):
class for them but he is already insultingly rich let alone her level so again it becomes just
incredibly unrelatable because when they're like this disgusting poor person wants to like date you
and then you see like
an incredibly huge house
and cars
and like a rich family as well

(21:13):
and you're just like
if this is what they're calling poor
like
what is my life?
He belongs

Khilli (21:19):
to the top 5%
of the population.
Right, but is that fun for anyone to

Adam (21:24):
watch that's outside of that bubble?
That's what I think this movie completely failed on.
But it's

Winnie (21:29):
interesting because like Kapiku Shikabigam had the same level of wealth.
Most of current Johar films always had the same level of wealth.
And it related with the generation of that time.
They still ate that up.
But this time, like this movie has been rejected by Gen Z completely.

Adam (21:43):
Why do you think that is?
I'm trying to figure it out too.
Why did
that
level of wealth back then work better?

Winnie (21:52):
Because there's woke capitalism now, I guess.
There's a lot of wokeness and there's more anti-elitism.
anti-apriclass.
But

Adam (22:00):
those movies,
I think that he did back then,
do feel more dreamlike,
I guess,
or just like completely fantastical.
Well, back then,
I think we

Winnie (22:08):
still bought
into the idea of like
the American dream
or the capitalist dream, right?
Where like you can work hard
and attain that level of wealth
that they have.
Right now, we know,
like 20 years later,
we know that that's impossible.
So we don't find it relatable
or even desirable anymore.

Adam (22:23):
Yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
This would be like
the perfect propaganda film
for Mao.
To just be like,
just chopped everyone's heads off in these like these people offer nothing they have nothing like
a value to give like they are just complete parasites living like an extravagant wealth
that are just doing nothing like and and our and the worst crimes we had to like watch them do it

(22:44):
and they think it's like a good movie
and
also the plot sucks so what's the plot
so what's

Nicky (22:51):
the plot well adam adam briefly mentioned it but it's
Has this like very rich socialite girl.
I don't even know the actress.

Adam (23:00):
She has 300,000 followers on Instagram in the movie.
In

Nicky (23:03):
the movie.
She has like her best friends who she's at war with
because there's this guy, we'll just call him the fuck boy.
And he's like just always constantly harassing
our main character.
where he's like trying to get hooked up with her
and like her best friend has a crush on him
and you know they don't want to speak to her

(23:24):
because she's not doing anything to stop it
and like I guess you know
what the people want to know is that like
She is single as fuck.
And she doesn't, because of the shame that she has to live with.
Because that's so relatable.
No, I think

Adam (23:41):
it's because she was texting the guy.
Yeah.
She was

Khilli (23:45):
not texting.
She was not even replying.
He was texting her.
He was texting.

Adam (23:49):
She just stopped him.
Okay, so, but whatever.
She's not afraid of being single.
But her best friend found out that the dude that she has a crush on has been texting her.
And the friend hasn't totally shut it down.
So therefore, she's ruining her best friend's life.
So the girl's like, no, no, no, I didn't tell you.
I didn't.
No, I'm not flirting with him.
I have a boyfriend.

(24:09):
I

Nicky (24:10):
have a boyfriend who doesn't exist.
And that's where our Nepo baby main character comes in, Ibram.
Rahim Ali Khan.
He plays like this supposedly middle class character
that I do not relate with in any way.

Adam (24:25):
No middle class person lives like that.
Yeah,

Nicky (24:28):
and basically she's paying him to be her boyfriend.
Nikki,

Khilli (24:31):
talk about the introduction scene of the guy
for where he wins the chance to be a debate team captain.
Oh, yeah, we have to get to that.
Oh, my God.
I

Nicky (24:39):
totally forgot about that, man.
Let's not forget.
Yeah, it's like...
That was the

Adam (24:45):
best part.
So they're in the debate club.

Nicky (24:47):
They're in the debate club and there's this guy.
Was it the fuckboy that was like...
No,

Adam (24:51):
it was like a debate guy.
It was a debate bully.

Nicky (24:54):
Debate bully.
Okay.
And then he was saying...
He was making fun of our main character
about his upbringing.
And then he does this powerful speech
where my family goes through hardships
and I'm career focused
and I come from Noida.
Or something.
Noida.

(25:14):
I don't know.
And then, like...
I mean, by the end of the debate,
the bully was, like, completely owned,
and everyone was cheering for him,
and for whatever reason,
our main character gets up
and, like, strips...

Adam (25:42):
Strips topless...
Yeah, he pulls his shirt up.

Nicky (25:32):
I don't know.
I cannot imagine in any situation realistically where someone would be so pumped they would strip naked.
And a debate

Winnie (25:39):
club.
He's standing

Adam (25:41):
over them and they're all like clapping as he's just holding his shirt up to show off his six pack.
at the debate club after he owned someone with logic yeah

Khilli (25:52):
it was the last card of up up on his
sleeves to like we know what that is debate bully that like he has abs that's how he became like
that was the last nail on the coffin that he became the captain of

Adam (26:03):
the debate this guy is so sexy we
have to make him our leader this is debate club the

Nicky (26:10):
whole point of him bringing tablets is because
it's a setup and
for the girl to walk in on the debate club
to see that this man, this man will be my boyfriend.
That's literally the point.
- He's smart

Adam (26:23):
and he works out.
He just came to school.
So I'm gonna pretend that he's been dating me.
I'm gonna pay him.

Khilli (26:30):
- She's gonna pay him like 25,000 rupee per week.
- Yeah.
- Which is roughly like $300.
- It's about

Adam (26:37):
$300 a week.
- Yeah.
- So he's getting paid, that's solid.

Khilli (26:43):
That's a lot for India.
What's the average wage for India?
So if you've done a graduation, proper graduation, you get a job in an IT company.
Most probably you are getting paid that per month, not a week.
So you get paid...

Adam (26:59):
25

Khilli (26:59):
,000 per month
Yeah, if you're starting a job
That's the usual white collar starting salary
So

Winnie (27:05):
this 15,000 a week
He's getting like 60,000 a month

Khilli (27:09):
No
15
,000
25,000 he's getting
Oh yeah,

Adam (27:14):
100,000

Khilli (27:15):
100,000

Adam (27:16):
So how much is
100

Khilli (27:17):
,000 is like a

Adam (27:18):
So it's like a thousand dollars
It's like

Khilli (27:20):
a mid-level corporate employee
employee salary
yeah
it's a very lucrative deal
so again

Adam (27:25):
yeah
way unrelatable
I think
when you're like
the majority of people
watching Netflix
being like
that is more than
like my
both my parents make
even

Khilli (27:34):
if a Gen Z
sees it like
if they're
their uncle
or like
like me
or like
um
like elder cousins or like brothers or sisters they're earning people and they were like none of
them even even the pairs none of them earn that much of money it's crazy how insulting is

Adam (27:53):
that if
you watch then you're like this high schooler is getting paid this much to take a few photos with
this woman yeah i would my eyes would go red
yeah
yeah you

Nicky (28:04):
have you get this cringe worthy like montage
where like they
she started taking photos of him
yeah photos of him
sharing his like
like you know
doing like a soft launch
as they would
as the kids would call it
these days
soft launch
where you like subtly
like reveal certain parts
of your
partner have you guys ever done that also i've done that in the past yes

(28:27):
the

Winnie (28:28):
fact that nobody
recognized that it was him even though there were parts where like you could see his body
and he showed off his six pack to all these guys before yeah

Adam (28:37):
they all studied that they
know exactly what he looks like
and

Nicky (28:41):
then that resolves the conflict that we had in the beginning
like oh you know her friends didn't like her
because you know they thought that she was having an affair with the the fuck boy and then they
easily like wrap that plot point completely right that's the other issue with the movie

Adam (28:58):
there's no
primary driving yeah because it just it's very episodic it just keeps going to one issue to the
next like we need to talk about class issue and then race issue and parent issue and they just
kind of hit all the checklists you know
i

Winnie (29:11):
feel like there was almost no social commentary
They tried to.
There was a gender. There was a class.
They

Khilli (29:18):
tried to.
It poses as a social commentary.
I'm not saying it did it well.

Adam (29:22):
I'm just saying
check
things off its list.

Khilli (29:27):
And the point
that it's so regressive.
The film is so regressive
in its social outlook.
It's nauseating.
Like how though?
This girl, you're showing this girl
is like
like sidelining the main actor because she is not stopping a stalker to...

(29:51):
He was definitely stalking her and like harassing her over messages and stuff.
But then

Winnie (29:57):
he addresses it later on in his speech about how they're not real friends, if they're going to do that.
So I feel like they end up painting that
friendship
dynamic in a negative light to show that it's wrong.
And then there was a whole point about empowering her to,
you
know, be a lawyer woman because her dad always wanted a son.
So I feel like they tried to be progressive to appeal to the Gen Z crowd.

(30:21):
But the context of the film was so unrelatable that I don't think any of the messages really got across.

Adam (30:27):
This is a genuine question I have.
So a major plot point is the dad hasn't had dinner with them, I guess, her whole life.
Because when the boy comes over, she's like, this is the first time dad's ever had dinner with me or something.
And she thinks that her dad's never talked to her because he always wanted a son and was disappointed that he had a daughter.
Now, but my question is, well, the dad is surprised that she wants to be a lawyer and has never, ever asked her any questions or knows anything about her.

(30:57):
And he says, no, that's not the reason why I never talked to you.
But what was the reason?
Like, did I miss it?
Or did he ever explain why he never did?
Because he did say, like, it's not because you're a woman.
I didn't need a son.
I

Khilli (31:11):
think he was gaslighting her.
But

Adam (31:12):
I didn't understand what he did.
What was the reason he never did her with her?
He assumed

Winnie (31:16):
that she was going to go to university for art or crafts or something like that.
So it might have just been that he never saw her in an intellectual light.
creative at most
because she's a woman
reason

Khilli (31:26):
to talk to her
yeah

Winnie (31:27):
he's like why

Adam (31:28):
can I talk to
someone
who's gonna go to

Khilli (31:30):
an art school

Winnie (31:31):
it's not because
of women
it's a traditional
gender role
that he just used
to judge his own
daughters
of getting to know her

Khilli (31:36):
so the men
never talk to women
in the family
like the men
never talk to their women kids.
Yeah.
Because at first they decide,
they think,
they already decide that,
oh, they're not going to be smart
because they're women.
And oh, I don't want to talk to an unsmart kid.

Adam (31:52):
But then he said,
no, no, no.
Like, it's not because of that.
It's not because I wanted a son.
But I never heard the part of why he did do that then.
and I couldn't figure out if I missed it or not.
He just never answers why.
So he just completely ignored her,
didn't have dinner with her,
not because she's a girl,
but just because he's a bad father
would have done it to anyone.

Khilli (32:11):
Something to do with the mother as well.
So the mother was complaining that,
okay, in this family,
like if you cannot provide a son,
quote unquote, provide a son,
that you don't have respect as a wife.
So she was always up about like,
up on his ass about like,
okay,
producing a son
and then since

(32:31):
she was always about
making a son
the guy was disgusted about her
so he started a relationship with another
woman outside
and then she was like
no I did it because that was expected
of me from this family that's why I was
so up and he was
like I didn't want that and she's like

(32:51):
who gives a fuck what you wanted
have you seen your father like how he
treats me
so it's
kind of
tries to address
like a
multi-tiered
fashion of
like
gender roles
in a
patriarchal
Indian family
where that
I mean it's not
only about husband
husband is patriarchal
okay
but there would be
another set of people

(33:12):
like your in-laws
who are all
more patriarchal
because they come from
the different generation and they will have the power still power over the dictation like how the
family runs so the women end up like the the wives end up falling prey to the
patriarchy while practicing patriarchy as well so that that's kind of interesting because

(33:36):
to see but they saw they they i mean i cannot give the credit to the film
because it was shown in like one sentence.
Yeah, they just showed the old grandfather sitting at the table.
I'm talking so much, so many things
because I've seen like many Bollywood films
and I'm from India.
I've seen these dynamics being played out again and again.
So that's why I'm saying it.
But in the film, it happens literally in one sentence.

Adam (33:59):
We should say, so he...
He has an affair and then she does give birth to a son.

Khilli (34:05):
No, no, no.
It didn't reveal that.
Well, we don't know if it's a son.
She gets

Adam (34:10):
pregnant.

Khilli (34:10):
Yeah.

Adam (34:11):
And then he finds out, like, the girl sees it flashing on, like, the dad's cell phone.
So they find out he's been cheating and then he immediately gets a divorce.
He's like, I have a new family.
I'm leaving now.
Bye.
That's just how it goes, which is the least Indian thing I've ever seen in my life.
I mean, you

Khilli (34:30):
cannot have like you were a millionaire, like an industrialist.
You cannot have one kid out of your wedlock.

Adam (34:38):
It

Khilli (34:38):
was good

Winnie (34:39):
rationalizing.

Adam (34:41):
I'm just saying he goes so against the grain,
but they made it seem like that's the rule.
I think they're also

Winnie (34:46):
maybe trying to show the progressiveness of the film.
What is the

Adam (34:49):
progressiveness here?

Winnie (34:50):
Divorce is allowed.
Divorce is allowed.
Right?
Because like...
What?
You leave your wife?

Adam (34:54):
The mom like lost everything.
You leave

Winnie (34:57):
your wife
because you cheated on

Khilli (34:59):
her
and had...
Like she didn't even ask for divorce.

Winnie (35:02):
Yes, yes.
I mean,
I don't think it's progressive
in the sense that the woman
should have asked for the divorce
but in the sense that
back in the day
you could
have...

Khilli (35:10):
You cheated on someone and then suddenly like, oh, get the fuck out of here.
Because I cheated on you.
I'm going to abandon

Adam (35:17):
my family.
I'm so woke.

Winnie (35:20):
But you don't really see divorce in other Indian movies.
So the fact that divorce is like...
It's not that

Khilli (35:24):
bad.
There are divorces.
There are divorces.
I

Adam (35:28):
mean, it's the most anti-Tai thing too, for the most part.
Like where they're like, I have like...
I'm not saying like everyone like cheats on their spouse or anything, but I've never seen...
It were like the guy feels like it's a societal obligation to go be with the family he cheated on.
Okay,

Winnie (35:45):
but what's the alternative?
Because it seems like everyone knew he had an affair, right?
They all knew he had a mistress.
Take care of

Khilli (35:52):
both kids.
Yes, but...
He

Adam (35:54):
abandoned her and she got nothing.

Winnie (35:57):
We don't know that. We don't know the divorce proceedings.
We just saw the conversation where he said that he wants a divorce
because he's actually in love with his mistress.

Adam (36:04):
And

Khilli (36:04):
why is she leaving the house again?

Adam (36:09):
Yeah, they lost money and had to move and stuff.
They went

Nicky (36:12):
back to the grandmother's house.

Khilli (36:15):
Because he cheated on her.
They have enough proof, like everything.
I mean, definitely she would get like a whole lot of money.
And then like most probably the house is under the name of his father.
Then then.
But

Winnie (36:34):
we don't get too much exposure into the divorce.
I wish it was a

Adam (36:37):
divorce.
I think the film was

Khilli (36:39):
about the divorce.
I

Adam (36:40):
want to see what a set she gets.
And okay,

Khilli (36:44):
we almost had the
three
-fourths of the film

Adam (36:47):
at this point like, wow.
Okay.

Nicky (36:50):
So the thing that I find so frustrating about this movie is that there's so much happening in that two-hour frame and yet I can't really remember
anything.
So

Khilli (36:58):
many things happening and

Adam (37:00):
nothing is remarkable.
Oh, they have Bonfire Night.
What is

Nicky (37:01):
Bonfire Night?
They keep

Adam (37:03):
talking about Bonfire Night and in subtitles it's capital letters but I asked...
you and your niece and nephew
they have no idea what bonfire night is
I assumed it was like a prom thing
it sounded like a prom thing
it's nothing
but they acted like we all know what bonfire night is
but we ended up

Winnie (37:19):
seeing the bonfire night
there was no

Adam (37:21):
bonfire
it

Winnie (37:22):
was like this AI
it was
like

Adam (37:26):
a
postmodern arts
sculpture
yeah

Winnie (37:29):
there was no
bonfire
so what

Adam (37:31):
but that's why
it makes me think
bonfire is even
more of a thing
because like it
used to be a
bonfire
now it's like
these lights
but no one
has any clue
what bonfire
night is
but they put a
lot of lore
into what
bonfire night
is in the movie
I

Khilli (37:45):
can't understand what they were doing here.
They were showing that it's a tradition in the school
or in that fictional world that these people live in.
And everyone knows about Bonfire Night in the film.

Adam (38:14):
Yeah.

Khilli (38:01):
And we kind of accept that.
Okay, for you guys, Bonfire Night is a big thing.
And we accept that and we watch on that context because no one has Bonfire Night.
Like in Delhi, what the hell?
I

Adam (38:14):
think it's a secret, rich, elite thing that they do.
Yeah, that we don't know.
Where they have a big bonfire and they throw all the plans and the virgins in.
Where all the matchmaking happens.

Khilli (38:23):
Like all the industrial matchmaking.
Yeah, they plot out the next

Adam (38:26):
10 years over the bonfire.
And
now the kids do it.
All the

Khilli (38:31):
startup discussions.
Like what?
Oh, shoot.
That is the...
Oh, we have to get to the startups, right?
No, remember that?

Adam (38:38):
His dream, remember?
Oh, yeah,

Khilli (38:39):
dream.
Okay, before that, we have to be thankful to Netflix.
Do you remember that?
Like, what are you thankful for today?

Adam (38:46):
Yeah, Netflix was advertising itself on the movie.
They

Nicky (38:49):
always get a shout out in every...
property
okay

Adam (38:52):
we have to talk about
the mood board
do you remember
vision board
vision board
sorry not mood board
yeah
so he has a vision
everyone has a vision board
in this movie
including the very poor guy
and his vision
is to become
his
is to like
get rich or something
go to a nice university
and then
come back to India
and make an app
no no no no

Khilli (39:10):
no
He was not supposed to go to outside.
So that's why I was shouting,
how does it change anything to your plan
if you go abroad to study?

Adam (39:19):
Well, okay.
So the end goal though is he wants to make an app
that connects common people to lawyers,
which is the dumbest thing I've ever heard
because I think that already exists.
They do have lawyers
and I don't think that solves the issue
of them affording the lawyer or not.
I don't think the issue is finding one.
I think it's, can I afford a lawyer and would that help?
So yes, this guy wanted to make an app to
connect

Khilli (39:41):
lawyers to common people.
It could be also that
so you have like a slight problem
and you don't want to hire
a whole lawyer for it.
You just go to the app,
post a question
and there are like
a bunch of lawyers,
paid lawyers by the app companies.
who will see your question and answer it like,
oh yeah, you can do this.
And if for more action, okay,

Adam (40:01):
you can hire someone.
That would be a nice...
You put more thought into it,
but he acted like it was going to be a guaranteed hit.
Because I'm not a 17-year-old.
So why did he not want to leave India for this?
Yeah, that

Khilli (40:12):
made no sense.
So in his vision board,
he's going to the top law university area
in India, and then he becomes topper every semester,
and then he gets the best job possible
from the law college, and then he saves up some money
for a few years, and then he opens the app.

(40:33):
That's his vision board.
And now, in this thing, it doesn't make any sense
that why would he not go abroad?
I mean, if he goes abroad, he can earn in like,
like stronger currency and save the money quicker and then come back to India and make the app anyway.
So
what
is stopping him?

Winnie (40:53):
He's from a middle class family.
So he doesn't

Khilli (40:56):
want the education loan, but he was getting the full scholarship.

Winnie (41:00):
He did in the end, right after the girl encouraged him to aim higher.

Khilli (41:05):
No, that means Brieganzo was telling her.
No, Brieganzo was already telling him that you will get the full scholarship.
That was so

Adam (41:12):
funny too, the way that they think scholarships work.
Because her advisor, when he tell me if this is the case.
Oh, a sports

Winnie (41:17):
scholarship. He was banking on getting a sports scholarship because he was the captain of the swim team.

Adam (41:22):
Oh.

Khilli (41:23):
We never saw him swimming though.
Yeah, I don't remember that at all.
It was all in the awards. Oh my God.

Winnie (41:29):
But that was his description, opening description.

Adam (41:32):
Oh, he was.
No, there was briefly
he was in the pool, I think.

Winnie (41:35):
Yeah, yeah.
So he was going to get
a sports scholarship
and then he did end up
in the end of the movie
getting a sports scholarship.

Adam (41:42):
Good filmmaking.

Winnie (41:43):
He didn't get the
sports scholarship?
What?

Khilli (41:46):
He didn't get the
D-Bitch scholarship?
I

Winnie (41:47):
mean, he became
captain of the debate team
by showing off his six-pack.
So we never really see
his lawyer skills
or if he has the capacity
to become a lawyer.
Maybe that's why he's banking on the app.

Adam (41:56):
He got captain of the pool team with his good debate skills.

Winnie (42:01):
And then he became captain of the debate team with his good swimming abs.

Adam (42:06):
I think the way they just give him the scholarship,
like the college advisor is like,
you get the special scholarship where you can go to any school in the UK
you want for free.
we all just love you so much pick whatever school you want that is a very magical scholarship and i
think to every other kid that's just called having rich parents i don't think and they think that that

(42:28):
could just apply to anyone but you don't just have the advisor say like look the university's reached
out and they just love you so much you can go to eddie uk and then he has a real tough choice to
figure out where he wants to go
we

Winnie (42:41):
should talk about
how they fall in love
because it's a rom-com
so this is kind of like
central to the movie
how she pays for him
and then eventually
starts to fall
go back to Nikki
for

Khilli (42:49):
help

Nicky (42:50):
for the plot
fuck man
all I remember
is that like
they have
there was that stupid
dinner scene
where they
I don't know
uh what was pia the the lead girl she her father saw that you know arian has is like lawyer material

(43:10):
or something and then like you know with arian's suggestion that uh pia should be in the debate team
and then he was like defending her because her father was being like
misogynistic, I guess.

Adam (43:26):
The father didn't think that
girls can be lawyers.

Nicky (43:30):
No.
But do you remember how she proved
that she can debate?
Vaccines.
Being knowledgeable on

Khilli (43:37):
medicals.
Why vaccines shouldn't be free.
Why vaccines

Adam (43:41):
should be for profit.
And she gives a whole debate
on why we need to
extract profit from the vaccine process.
And the dad almost breaks down in tears because he's like,
that's the most beautiful thing I've ever heard.

Nicky (43:55):
Yeah.
It was the most foreseen.
I hated it.
I was very angry

Adam (44:00):
at that moment that she like,
first of all,
she uses debate points that like any dumb baby can come out,
come up with.
But then the fact that her father's like,
you're a genius.
Like I,
wow,
we could make money from vaccines.
You're right.
I never thought about it this way.
Like,
That's very morally bankrupt
That they're
They're applauding her

(44:20):
On this point

Khilli (44:21):
Yeah
I think the father
Realizes that
The women can be
Equally morally bankrupt
Yeah
And be part of our business

Adam (44:28):
Yeah

Khilli (44:29):
She can run

Winnie (44:30):
my business
Because it's harder
To argue for that
The fact that
That vaccines
should be charged.
And she didn't do
a great job at it.
She did.
Ish.
Enough for her dad.
Her dad's

Khilli (44:40):
a dummy.
Enough for how things
are running in this film.
But it's actually
interesting that

Winnie (44:45):
they chose this.
Like, you know,
if you think about
the director of the movie,
why they chose this debate,
that art side of the argument
to present
Yeah,

Adam (44:53):
it is a good, yes, this is a message they want to say.

Winnie (44:58):
Exactly, exactly.

Adam (44:58):
They chose that.
Yeah, and I think it's going to fall on deaf ears.
I don't know how many people love to hear that.
What was

Khilli (45:06):
the debate?
I don't think the writer ever has been a part of the debate team.
Because in debate competition, you cannot choose for or against, I guess.
It's a decision.
You were assigned.
So he was like, why did you choose this side?
Because the other side would have been easier to defend.
And she said, no, I wanted to show something that I can win a

Adam (45:29):
harder argument.
I'm like, no, you cannot choose.
Her argument was that vaccines cost money to make.
and so we need to pay for it.
Well,

Winnie (45:42):
basically also that
you need to be able to fund
future studies for future vaccines.
So you need to be able to
contribute to it
so that it's more sustainable.
If it's free,
then research would not be sustainable.
I don't

Khilli (45:52):
think any
any set group of people
who like
argues for
free
vaccine,
wants
the researcher to be not paid.
Or like to have no future vaccines.

Winnie (46:08):
If you think about how much money the pharma industry is bringing in,
like you really don't need to charge for the vaccines.
They have more than enough to be able to cover more science and development.
We can't regulate that with

Khilli (46:16):
the capitalist system.

Adam (46:17):
Yeah, it's fine.
We got polio just fine and people didn't stop making vaccines because...
because of it.
It's okay.
- But

Winnie (46:24):
this point kinda is in trend
with the theme of the movie, right?
Being very pro elite, pro capitalism.
- Yeah, it's very revealing that

Adam (46:33):
that's what they think
is like an interesting thing to talk about.
It's very revealing.
But again, I think that's what is so revealing
is just how out of touch they are with everyone.
and in more of an insult and i guess the the greatest sin is that the movie's not entertaining
i guess that's it because at least the older films were entertaining and so if you can't even be fun
to watch then it's just not and it's not relatable like

(46:56):
of
course you're going to get the ire of
everyone it's

Nicky (46:59):
not relatable it's not memorable there's nothing that i i try to recount anything
i don't remember anything
There was nothing fascinating about it.
So how does it

Adam (47:08):
end?
They go to bonfire night?

Nicky (47:11):
We didn't cover one specific plot point.
It's when Pia's family gets a divorce.
She meets her childhood friend, the rich boy.

Khilli (47:21):
Oh yeah.

Nicky (47:22):
He's a prince.
The prince.
Oh, thank

Khilli (47:25):
you.
Because

Nicky (47:25):
that's normal.

Khilli (47:27):
Been there.
How

Adam (47:29):
many princes do you swipe on Bumble?
Every day,

Winnie (47:32):
yeah.

Nicky (47:33):
Yeah, the prince is like, I don't know
He's like that
He's like that typical conflict in rom-kong
The one that does all the misunderstanding
They went out for one night
And then people, because he's a prince
Like people, the paparazzi
Decided to take photos and videos
And upload it on social media
And, you know, with a lot of debate competition going around, I don't remember a scene about debate at all.

(47:57):
I don't remember

Adam (47:57):
anything.
It was just abs.
It was just abs.

Khilli (48:00):
Because for debate, you have to actually study about the current politics or current topics and then write the right.
argument
for
to show on screen
that debate is happening
for the writers
right
they have to write
proper arguments
to show on screen
I think they didn't
want to do that

Nicky (48:18):
because like the thing
the whole reason
that they fell in love
is because they're
preparing for debate
right
yeah there was no debate

Khilli (48:24):
you're right

Adam (48:25):
there wasn't a debate

Khilli (48:26):
watching a
watching a sports film
without

Adam (48:30):
without having
any sports involved

Khilli (48:32):
in the
it's like Mighty

Adam (48:33):
Ducks
and they just never
get on the ice rink
at all

Khilli (48:36):
it's like
yeah
And that, no, okay.
There was another thing, like, when the paparazzi take photo
of...
So, basically, she was, like, she was giving a hug to the prince guy, right?
Yes.
But later, when we saw the photos, like, it was a very romantic stare.
Like, they were, like, holding hands and, like, whatnot.

(49:08):
Like...
When did
all that happen?
Is it AI?
It looked like AI manipulation.
They took like a hugging photo.
He has six fingers.
And then like they created those photos out of nowhere.
Because never saw that happening.
Like they're holding like their arm and then like staring at, staring into each other's eye.
Like a total romantic like...
pose that never happened.
They were just walking side by side,
talking about things and then just hugged because he was very supportive to
her.
That's,
that's what happened.
And the photos came out.

(49:29):
The mom wants

Adam (49:30):
her to be with the prince because he can,
he's just super rich and can give her all the money she needs.
But also the guy that she is pining for is not poor again.
So like it's that's why it's not super.
He's not living in the slums like his dad's a doctor.
They're all very rich.
He's getting a full fledged scholarship to the UK.
He's fine.

(49:50):
You know who we need in this film?
Who?
He's called Dancer.
Yeah, he would get a machine gun.
He would do like the Matrix scene where he loads up on all this arsenal, go in there,
and act like a 12 year old in like a doomba just blowing the place up.
It

Nicky (50:08):
sounds like a school shooting.
He would.

Adam (50:10):
He would commit.
He would just be spraying everyone down.
Just
so we don't condone the frontline shooting
America
Could you tell?

Nicky (50:20):
Just
Disclaimer we don't condone
School shooting in America
My

Adam (50:27):
only solution
Is just gun fights? Yeah sorry
My culture killy don't knock it
He can dance the fuck

Khilli (50:32):
out of them
Right yes
Yeah, break dance, sure.
And maybe like electrocute the guitar.
With machine gun legs.
The debate mic stand,
electrocute the debate mic stand.
That would have been the fine thing.
His mom could just

Adam (50:46):
beat everyone over the head
with an electrocuted microphone stand.
Yeah,

Khilli (50:52):
I mean that's

Adam (50:53):
what I was getting

Khilli (50:55):
at like you know like when the rich versus poor narrative in Disco Dancer where he's literally living in the slum and then fighting the industry.
Correct, yeah.
And then here his doctors.
He's like a super rich dude.
He's like a huge huge house.
And so there's no downside

Adam (51:14):
if she dates him that's the they keep trying to set that up as like he's from a different class
His last name is bad. He's not a prince,

Khilli (51:21):
but

Adam (51:21):
he's like the biggest catch in the world
His

Khilli (51:23):
last name remember that all

Adam (51:24):
the kids were making fun of his last name

Winnie (51:26):
So they keep talking about where he's from not
What is the significance of no idea because

Khilli (51:31):
I lived in no idea sounds for no idea
Yeah, I think so because I lived near no idea. I mean
Noida is this new place next to New Delhi, which falls.
So around New Delhi, there are like two places, Gurgaon and Noida.
And with New Delhi, it kind of becomes national capital region, NCR.
So where they would establish all the business, all the industries, because Delhi is like a small...

(51:57):
not small, but it doesn't have enough space for expansions, right?
So they created this national capital region.
Noida is part of that.
Noida falls in another state, but...
But I saw it developed in front of my eyes,
and then it has huge society...
It
has rich people.
But see, that's the issue.

Adam (52:16):
It's new rich.

Winnie (52:18):
That's what they have with it.
That's why the old rich is looking down upon it.
Yeah, it's new money.
Okay, that makes sense.
So they hate it.
New money.
Fakers.

Adam (52:26):
And

Winnie (52:27):
he does represent kind of like new money working class.
His father is a doctor.
His mom's a teacher.
He's actually worked for it, so they

Adam (52:32):
hate him.
Oh yeah
You work for your money
Your dad
Disgusting
He saves people
Disgusting
He

Khilli (52:40):
doesn't scams people
For money
Oh my god

Adam (52:44):
Gross
You can't marry him
You have to marry the prince
That contributes nothing
Yeah
He's much better

Nicky (52:49):
New money
Are we trying to say
The movie's doing
A smart observation
yeah

Adam (52:53):
very smart
we

Winnie (52:54):
are doing a smart observation for the dumb movie
that can't be right

Adam (52:59):
they have like a huge axe to grind
with these new money crowds
and this is their chance to say it

Khilli (53:04):
and this guy is the personal
doctor of a
uber rich family so
he's not even a struggling doctor
but he's the help

Winnie (53:14):
for them it's the

Adam (53:15):
same as the serving
you have a serving, you have a personal doctor
it's worthless, you know what I mean?

Winnie (53:20):
and his mom's a teacher at the school that they're at
which obviously seems to be a very expensive
private school
so he gets in for free too

Adam (53:37):
yeah

Winnie (53:28):
So also, yeah, he doesn't seem like he's doing that bad.

Adam (53:30):
They both have to be employed, though, is the problem.
And if any of those, if they lose their job, he's screwed.
And that's a class you don't want to deal with.
And a prerequisite

Winnie (53:39):
is also white crime.
Your family has had to commit some sort of white crime to be eligible by.
bachelor

Adam (53:44):
correct
yeah
so
what
are we at the end
I want to talk about
the drama
that Winnie found out
his statement
the reaction
the only thing

Nicky (53:56):
that I
can only think about
is that
you know
after the misunderstanding
with the prince occurred
like we get the scene
where he kind of just
confronts
Pia
and then
gives this speech
about like
does the reveal
that he's been paid
to be her boyfriend
and then
He makes a speech about how everyone is all you rich people are so fake with your social media and your likes and

(54:19):
That guy is sleeping around with a lot of women women and you should know that

Adam (54:23):
And then the guy high-fives himself. He's like, yeah, I rule
Yeah,

Nicky (54:26):
that was like I feel like the best he was trying to make some sort of commentary on that
But it just feels so
half-baved, so...
Right.
If he,

Adam (54:37):
again, was actually from
like disco dancer world,
he would have legitimate criticisms.
But because all these people
are in this rich bubble,
their only...
The only sin they think
they're committing is like gossip
or being a playboy perhaps.
Like their world is so small
that they don't even know

(54:57):
how people would legitimately
criticize them.
So
it comes out super bland.

Nicky (55:03):
Yeah.
And then like, I guess to wrap it up, he tries to apply for like universities and then...

Adam (55:09):
And he gets it. He gets to go to any UK university once.

Nicky (55:12):
He gets it. But then like, I think we find out that it was Pia that sent the application for him.
Oh, his personal statement.
Personal statement.
Cause his was too angry.
His was too angry.
Oh, that made me...

Adam (55:23):
That's right.
Yeah, that's it.
That's right.
No, you're right.
He got criticized because he was sending a letter and we never get to see it, but they're like, you're being way too aggressive in your personal statement.
You need to tone down your aggressiveness.
Stop being an uppity poor person that has any complaints.
You need to tone it down.
And he refuses to.

(55:43):
but they just paternally do it for him anyway and send it.
And he gets in and he's supposed to thank them and lick more boots.
And Pia doesn't

Khilli (55:51):
go for what reason?
Her parents

Adam (55:54):
are divorced.

Khilli (55:56):
That's why?
That should be the best reason to move the fuck out of there.
She can't

Adam (56:03):
afford it anymore.
She's super poor because the guy made the right thing
and abandoned his family for the mistress he was with.
The morally right thing to do.
I think they're going

Khilli (56:12):
to get a huge, huge sum of money.
Well, she's stuck in India now crying and he gets to

Adam (56:18):
go to the UK.
He

Khilli (56:20):
has to pay for her education.
Doesn't matter if he's divorcing or whatnot.
He has to pay for his daughter's education.
But maybe she cannot

Winnie (56:26):
leave her mom alone now that she's divorcing.
But the mom has her

Khilli (56:29):
mom.
and a friend circle.
She could easily go.
Like, none of the people, like, when the guy told that he cannot go abroad to study,
the reason was, like, never enough, good enough.
And the girl, when she doesn't go abroad, she doesn't have a good enough reason to not go.

(56:53):
So I think the writers, like,
part of the society they come from, they never have, like, they couldn't even cook up a proper reason, like why a person cannot leave the country.
I think they don't know that what the reasons actually could be.
It's not finances.

Adam (57:12):
It's not visa. It's kind of just weird choice.

Khilli (57:27):
Yeah.
Yeah, they never cook. I've seen many people who couldn't go abroad for reasons, even if they had a chance.
Yeah, I talk to them every day at my job.
For proper
reasons, they couldn't leave.
They don't have any proper reasons.
And they couldn't even write a proper reason for
them
to not leave the country.

Adam (57:38):
Here's the thing.
So, because, yeah, I work with a lot of Indian students that are trying to, like, study in America.
And every one of their little sentences about why they cannot go has more...
drama and story than this entire movie
of
like why they can't afford it or some issue going on

(57:59):
with their family is vastly more interesting and complicated than whatever this movie says
and has two hours to say.

Winnie (58:08):
actually
Kylie
not that you
point out
it's a very
regressive ending
like the movie
spends so much
time trying to
build up her
character
show her
capabilities
to do law
prove that
women can do
that just as
much as men
and then
in the end
she just
doesn't pursue
it

Nicky (58:22):
she stays
in India

Winnie (58:23):
it would have
been such a
sad ending
if he stayed
and he didn't
get to pursue
his vision
board
but like
but it didn't happen for her
there's no reasoning behind

Nicky (58:31):
it
nothing
the thing that pissed me off the most
was the very finale
at bonfire night
whatever the fuck that is
it's like
he just
gives that like
I love you speech
and then proposes to her
like what?
yeah that didn't

Khilli (58:45):
make any sense

Nicky (58:46):
for what?

Khilli (58:48):
Marriage?

Nicky (58:48):
Marriage. Oh my god. I think I

Adam (58:50):
zoned out. Yeah, I don't even remember.

Nicky (58:52):
He did.

Adam (58:53):
He had that weird ring,
right? That weird

Nicky (58:55):
ring and then they promised
that they'll come back once they're done with their
studies. So he flies off to the UK
while she stays in India and then they need to
get back and marry. What the

Winnie (59:03):
fuck?
They're 17, by the way. They're 17.

Adam (59:06):
He's getting a handjob on the plane to university
by some other chick. It's not happening.
We

Winnie (59:11):
watched this entire drama movie
and they're going to break up in three months.
at most anyway
the moment he's in UK
the

Khilli (59:17):
father was like
having a heart to heart
conversation
encouraging him
encouraging him
like
it's like
he's
she's your Juliet
like she's the one
if she's the one
then go for it
like a 17 year old kid
that's bad parenting
that's bad parenting
drop everything
and bury

Adam (59:32):
this woman
who doesn't really like you

Khilli (59:35):
I think this is a
like a
Very regressive group of people thinking...
No shit.
Thinking of themselves as progressive
and trying to make progressive argument in the film.
They must be so proud of themselves.
At their core and at their outlook towards society
and everything, they're super regressive people.
They're so proud of themselves.

(59:55):
I had a non-racist

Adam (59:56):
thought today.
I think everyone should applaud me.

Khilli (59:59):
Yeah.

Winnie (59:59):
We made a movie about women's empowerment.
Now women are going to pursue law in India.
She's a girl boss.

Adam (01:00:07):
Yeah.
even though the schools
are really dirty here
and bad
even a woman can do it though

Winnie (01:00:11):
oh gosh
I think we checked
how much time
there was left in the movie
about like five or six times
while watching it
yeah
I thought
you almost walked out
like five six times
I almost walked out
I did not though

Adam (01:00:21):
what was your niece's
final thoughts
on the movie

Khilli (01:00:26):
that's that's the only thing she said and she's like uh it was fun watching with us but nothing
else was fun about the film what

Winnie (01:00:32):
was really fun though was watching the three of you try so hard
to not swear
because
there was a nine-year

Khilli (01:00:38):
-old in

Winnie (01:00:38):
the room
me

Khilli (01:00:40):
no oh

Winnie (01:00:40):
you mean killie was the worst
like yeah killie is the uncle here we were not swearing killie was

Adam (01:00:45):
swearing up a storm and i

Winnie (01:00:46):
just

Khilli (01:00:49):
shit. No, you weren't. You were saying more.
You said fuck at

Winnie (01:00:52):
one point. Oh, yeah. Fuck.

Khilli (01:00:54):
I'm sorry about that. But
is shit swearing? I don't know. That's
why I did. I was like, hey, Kelly, I don't know
if

Adam (01:01:00):
this is wrong. I don't know what they're used
to hearing, but like you're swearing.
I noticed it. Adam,

Winnie (01:01:04):
you nearly called his
nephew a nine-year-old a dick but i didn't but i

Adam (01:01:08):
didn't i heard the i heard the no but i didn't

Winnie (01:01:13):
i held

Adam (01:01:15):
my tongue i did that for that entire night i'm actually pretty good about holding my tongue
around kids i'm like uncle kelly over here yeah

Winnie (01:01:22):
kelly won't lost like you would swear at the most
That's where your uncle
Was full

Adam (01:01:26):
of money
You just

Winnie (01:01:27):
traumatized them
Like
Uncle Killie
What happened to Uncle Killie?
Who is

Khilli (01:01:31):
he?
Who does he become at night?
No
No
This is English version
Yeah
The English version
Doesn't have
Doesn't come with like
PG
PG-30

(01:01:55):
Um
You usually speak

Nicky (01:01:43):
to them in Bengali, right?
Yeah.
So they just saw you
speak
and criticize in English.
In Bengali I have two different

Khilli (01:01:52):
ways of talking.
Like when I'm with friends, I'm swearing left and right.
And when I'm with family and kids.
I'm totally into like
Not swearing
And then
Totally into not swearing
Like it's
No
Initially it took a lot of effort from me
To not swear in front of them

(01:02:12):
But then
Like
And then I got used to it
Now I barely like
Anything slips out
But in English
I didn't have the practice

Winnie (01:02:31):
So

Adam (01:02:21):
Yeah then the nephew
Beat us all in Tekken

Winnie (01:02:24):
And

Adam (01:02:24):
we all
Except for Winnie

Winnie (01:02:27):
What?

Adam (01:02:28):
He didn't beat you

Winnie (01:02:29):
No no he won

Adam (01:02:30):
Oh yeah yeah yeah
He won

Winnie (01:02:31):
yeah
How like
Yeah
How much of that was like
Genuine on your guys
I did lose

Adam (01:02:35):
legitimately
You did

Winnie (01:02:37):
lose legitimately
That's why I almost
Called

Adam (01:02:38):
him a dick
I
was
that was genuine

Nicky (01:02:45):
no I was holding back
I was holding back
I didn't want to beat this kid
oh no I

Adam (01:02:49):
really lost to a bad
I was pissed
I was going

Winnie (01:02:52):
super easy
like one side of me was like
should I just win
so that maybe he'll think
like girls can play video games
it'll be a life lesson
And then the other part of me was like, no, he's a kid.
You should never go easy

Nicky (01:03:03):
on kids.

Winnie (01:03:03):
And all of you guys let him win.
So I was like, I can't be the dick now and be the only one who wins.
I did

Nicky (01:03:08):
not let him win.
I wanted you to do the right thing in Avengers.

Adam (01:03:12):
Yeah, how dare you?
I was really trying hard.
And the kid destroyed me.
Oh, man.
I was

Khilli (01:03:19):
beating him in football all the time.
And he legitimately beat me like two, three games.
Yeah, he

Winnie (01:03:24):
beat you in FIFA.
10-5.

Khilli (01:03:27):
No, that was I.
Mine was 10.

Winnie (01:03:30):
Not according to him.

Khilli (01:03:31):
No.

Adam (01:03:33):
What was the controversy of this movie?
Oh, yes.
Keep on
going back.
I just want to talk about this text.

Winnie (01:03:41):
So the movie was heavily criticized, of course, but one notable criticism came from a Pakistani journalist, Taimur Iqbal.
And he criticized the movie and Abraham's nose.
So I don't know if you guys noticed his nose.
It was a little bit on the bigger side, right?
He has like the bridge.

Khilli (01:03:58):
So

Winnie (01:03:59):
I think that's where he crossed the line because for the most part, I think Abraham has been handling the negative criticism well, but this is where he shot back.
Wait, what did he

Adam (01:04:07):
say about the nose?
He was saying he has a big nose?

Winnie (01:04:09):
Something like that.
I think he accused him of getting a nose job or suggested he get a nose job.
Something like that.
That was the thing that

Nicky (01:04:15):
set him off?

Winnie (01:04:15):
Right.
So it was negative reviews about his acting, the movie, and the nose.
And I think that's where it also became viral on social media.
Because some of his fans were like, yeah, that's crossing a line.
you shouldn't like i

Adam (01:04:25):
agree take

Winnie (01:04:26):
a dig on someone's appearance but a

Adam (01:04:28):
17

Khilli (01:04:28):
year old kid no

Winnie (01:04:29):
abraham took
a lot of offense to it and slid into this journalist dms on instagram and screenshot

Nicky (01:04:36):
and
yeah
tamur

Winnie (01:04:38):
almost like tamur you got my brother's name guess what you don't got his face you ugly
piece of trash since you can't keep your words to yourself don't bother they're irrelevant just like
Jesus Christ.

(01:04:58):
That's

Nicky (01:04:58):
really a good one.

Khilli (01:04:59):
That

Adam (01:05:00):
sounds 70 years.
How old

Khilli (01:05:01):
is this guy actually in Rio?
Abraham?

Winnie (01:05:04):
I think early 20s.

Adam (01:05:05):
This is a real dumb move on his part to have that in writing and some guy that already doesn't like use DMs.
Like that is a massive L.

Winnie (01:05:14):
I also like the journalist response.
He goes, a lot of ha ha ha laughing.
That's my man.
See, this is the guy I want to see in the movie.
Not that fake Cornetto mushy cringy human.
But hey, yes, that nose job comment was in bad taste.
Rest, I totally own up.
Massive fan of your dad.
Don't let him down.
Holy crap.
Oh, that is so brutal.

Adam (01:05:34):
Wowie, wowie, wowie.
That is so brutal.
That's some disco dancer energy right there.
Yes.
I wanted that.
Now that's more interesting

Winnie (01:05:41):
than the whole movie.
That is

Adam (01:05:43):
so true.
Again, that guy wrote a way more interesting text, and that text had better writing than
any of this.

Nicky (01:05:50):
Wow.
Yes.
savage
apparently it

Winnie (01:05:53):
went on
for a while
until it got a bit more heated
and then Abraham
just blocked the journalist
on Instagram

Nicky (01:05:58):
but that replay was

Khilli (01:05:59):
it's one of the dopest things
that was a good
yeah
he owned up to his fault
like yeah
the nose thing
I shouldn't have done
but like
this energy
yeah
bring that to the film
that was like

Winnie (01:06:09):
you're letting your dad down
in a very indirect

Khilli (01:06:12):
way
brutal

Adam (01:06:14):
That was like Eminem at the end of 8 Mile just owning the other dude.
To

Khilli (01:06:17):
be honest, Saif Ali Khan used to be ridiculed a lot in his earlier days.
Also, he had a very thin voice.
Not a very masculine, baritone voice.
He had a very thin voice which was associated with being feminine.
And then he was very fair, ultra fair.

(01:06:38):
He has a bit of effeminate...
traits in that
those days Bollywood standard
so he was always
looked as not a strong hero
right so
I think he the first time
when the perception changed
was he did a
negative role like a villain

(01:06:59):
portrait of villain and he
nailed the role
terrific acting
and looked like totally masculine
I think he did some
plastic surgery some certain kind already like he had also had a huge nose like and then i think
he did something on his nose as well so yeah saifan also went through like a bunch of bullying when

(01:07:23):
he started and i think he also bullied back yeah yeah you're saying there's anecdote right yeah

Winnie (01:07:28):
so
this whole controversy brought up um
another controversy
with Saif Ali Khan
the father
back in 1995
where a journalist
criticized his movie
with Akshay Kumar
I don't know which one
it was Khilli

Khilli (01:07:40):
Maculari Tuwanari

Winnie (01:07:41):
yeah
and so he gets
very offended
and goes to
the journalist's house
and punches him
and allegedly
also pushes
his elderly mother
away
when the mother
tried to intervene

Khilli (01:08:01):
wow
Wow
It was a perfect cast
Because what I said
The film's name
It literally translates to
I am the player
You are the loser
Kind of
So it was saying that
Akshay Kumar is the player
And Saif Ali Khan's character
Was the kind of a loser
Because he's
So he was playing an actor
Who is learning from the cop
Akshay Kumar was the cop
To how to act as a cop on screen
so he was like
internalizing
cop behavior
yeah
like he was
following him
to like you know
for a character study

(01:08:22):
and then he was
on his case
it's an action film
like he was on a case
and then he
somehow
gets tagged along
as a like
it becomes a buddy film
where he's like
somewhat
is cannot
is not
able to
fight
in real situation
and stuff like that
because he's just an actor
and
he learns stuff

(01:08:44):
from
Akshay Kumar.
Yeah, so the journalist...
So he used to get stereotyped
like those kind of roles
where he's not a macho hero.
And then...
I think, yeah, the journalist
talked about how

Winnie (01:08:57):
the teaming up with Akshay Kumar
was more than just in the movie.
I remember that was supposed
to be like your gay message
or you cannot be
the lead hero message.
Yeah.
But, well, then he punched him
and showed him that...
He was macho

Khilli (01:09:10):
These guys all have anger issues
Yeah so like father like son
Recently this guy has been stabbed in his house
Who?
Saif Ali Khan

Winnie (01:09:17):
Oh by who?

Khilli (01:09:19):
By someone
Some burglar
Something
It's a very shady thing that's happening in Bollywood right now
Like people are getting attacked
Like people are associating with some new underground dawn that's rising up
in what yeah so this is a good movie

Adam (01:09:35):
too

Khilli (01:09:35):
so he so it's hush hush like no one knows like who
who did that
like
he gets goss shoved with like a knife in his so what there's a bunch of bollywood
murders going on not murdered like like threats and attacks
by
a new underground

Adam (01:09:55):
mafia yeah

Khilli (01:09:56):
yeah
not only bollywood also politicians one of the politicians was killed in the broad daylight in
the street oh so this is kind

Winnie (01:10:01):
of like what's his name uh luigi on a grand scale there's a
no it's nothing to do with

Khilli (01:10:06):
luigi
no

Winnie (01:10:07):
no i'm not saying like the theme wow luigi's

Khilli (01:10:10):
killing all
these bollywood stars

Winnie (01:10:11):
i'm saying like that kind of movement of like going against the
upper class no no no

Adam (01:10:17):
no it's just a mafia mafia takeover
back

Khilli (01:10:21):
by that's cold that's
i thought the revolution was starting in india no no no mafias are backed by the politicians

Winnie (01:10:27):
Okay

Khilli (01:10:28):
Yeah
Most
The ruling party
Kind of trying to take over Bollywood
Via mafia again
So
It's
like
It used to be like that
Like when Daoud Ibrahim
Was running
A lot of scene in Bollywood
Like
Yeah
He was the mafia
Back then
Now it's like
You know the name of
I think we
We were talking about
This guy

Nicky (01:10:57):
Something

Khilli (01:10:48):
some
okay anyway
we'll figure it out later
after the podcast

Nicky (01:10:54):
I feel old
watching that movie
it's like
if this is what kids
are up to these days
I don't want to be a part of it

Khilli (01:11:02):
no I feel young
I feel like they are
they were older than me
They

Winnie (01:11:06):
looked older than this.

Adam (01:11:07):
From their point of view towards the world.
And he was making more money than any of us doing nothing in ice water.
Oh my god, yes.
I get a car every year.

Khilli (01:11:17):
I never earned 25,000 rupees a week in India.
Yeah.

Nicky (01:11:22):
Well, the only takeaway I got from the whole thing is that like,
I knew this girl from Raipur.
Where's Raipur?

Khilli (01:11:30):
I don't know what, Raipur?
Raipur?
R-A-I-P-U-R?
It's a place.
It's a place you went there?

Nicky (01:11:37):
Not a place.
She's just from there.
She's like this Indian girl that I know.

Khilli (01:11:42):
Oh
So that's the
Okay okay okay
Raipur is the place

Nicky (01:11:47):
Yeah
She's like the most
Richest Indian
I've ever met
She's like super entitled
When she goes to classes
She would like
You know
Call up her parents
To pay for things
And
I remember her
Going back to her hometown
For summer
Or something
And then she
had like this

(01:12:07):
extravagant
birthday party
in like a
this like mansion
setting
where like
people were just
waiting for her
and her friends
were clapping
and there was like
this big cake
that's the thing
that I saw
from Pia's
birthday
in the movie
wow so that
these scenes actually
happen
that's my point
it's not

Adam (01:12:25):
fantastical
that's how these people
really live
and that's why
it's upsetting

Nicky (01:12:29):
it's just crazy
like
I didn't
I thought like
she was just like
a special case
but like man
if that movie
if that movie's
if there's one takeaway
and get from that
I guess I'll be like
wow people like
them doing this
but I feel super
alienated from it all

Adam (01:12:45):
ask her about
bonfire night
yeah I guess
maybe she does
I want to know
what happens there
what sacred rituals
are occurring
what the fuck

Nicky (01:12:53):
I don't
even know.
I've never heard of it.

Adam (01:12:56):
I am glad that the reception of this movie is negative.
I think it'd all be worse if everyone loved this movie.
Yeah, that's true.
And we're like, I don't get this.
This sucks.
But no, everyone hates it.
Everyone is rightfully calling it out.
So it's not like it's a huge hit and changing the culture or anything.
It's getting dismissed, and that's great.
Yeah.
like these actors
have a lot to prove now

(01:13:16):
like they're not gonna
coast on this or anything
so that's nice
like it shows that
you know
everyone still has
some good taste
humanity

Khilli (01:13:22):
prevails
we won
yeah
it's

Adam (01:13:26):
a story of victory
it

Nicky (01:13:27):
sits at a 3.1
on IMDB

Winnie (01:13:29):
just in case anyone's wondering
13%
on Rotten Tomatoes
like it's
getting trashed.
I hope no one watches

Adam (01:13:35):
this movie
because of us.
I

Winnie (01:13:36):
still can't fully pinpoint
why it's so terrible
because I grew up watching
so many rom-coms
and some critics
were comparing this
to Never Have I Ever
but it's so boring.
It didn't have to be this bad.
It's

Adam (01:13:47):
not funny.
It's not smart.
There's no funny characters.
Usually rom-coms have
side characters that are funny.
There's none of that.

Nicky (01:13:55):
The character,
we need to talk a little bit more.
It's like Archana Puran Singh.
She plays the Mrs. Brazinga.
like the
the old lady
trying to be
all Gen Z
with her terms
like
RTTYL
OMG
WTF
the

Khilli (01:14:13):
character
is a
reference to
Karan Jehor's
first film
oh yeah
you mentioned it
yeah so she was
the same character
was playing
the same actor
was playing the
same name like namesake character miss braganza who was a some some dean or principal of the
college the students were studying like the actors first the main characters were studying

Nicky (01:14:34):
funny you should say that i was looking it up and it says that she reprised her role
yes so it's like there's a school multiverse wait we literally had this conversation in

Adam (01:14:43):
the beginning
are you joking dude
we
he tilly did say all that
And we reacted to it.

Nicky (01:14:49):
Oh, did we?
And we talked about

Adam (01:14:50):
the same character
and Killy gave the same speech
earlier.

Nicky (01:14:54):
Oh, okay.
Well, I did, I did,
I remember he said that.
I don't remember he...
There's a school,

Adam (01:14:59):
he said there's...

Winnie (01:15:00):
But back then
they were in college.
I don't know why
they made this
in high school
the movie would have
made a lot more sense
it's not like

Khilli (01:15:05):
MCU
multiverse kind of thing
right
so when Bollywood does
it's just
meta reference
that's what I was

Nicky (01:15:12):
trying to say
I was going back
to what you said
you said
it might be a
multiverse
but it does feel
like a school multiverse
but

Adam (01:15:19):
that's what he said
but then we said no
no no
but he said
it wasn't like the
Marvel, but then he kept going and this is exactly how it feels

Nicky (01:15:27):
like a Marvel multiverse.
That's my point.

Khilli (01:15:30):
It's a school universe.
It's not the Marvel multiverse.
So here what happens is like people keep on referencing, like doing the similar character,
same namesakes and everything, but it's not connected like, oh, it's one whole big story.
It's just meta-referencing to other characters.
characters they have played before.

(01:15:50):
For no bigger

Adam (01:15:51):
reason.
You're

Nicky (01:15:52):
saying that, but I read it through and it says that she's reprising her role.
So then I think that it's a multiverse kind of deal.
Maybe we

Khilli (01:15:59):
need to watch Kuch Kuch

Winnie (01:16:00):
Hota next and see if like the surrounding, the teacher
is all the same.

Khilli (01:16:06):
She could be.
She was in a university.
Now she took a different job in a school.

Winnie (01:16:11):
I think we talked about this.
Does she have the same name?
It can't be totally

Khilli (01:16:14):
new.
It can't be true.
It's the same name, same actor.
What's what?
Oh, yeah.
We should just solve it right now without watching that movie.
Actually, it can't be the same person.
I don't know.
She was in university.
Hey, people change his job.
She was in university.
Now she's in the school.
We're trying

Winnie (01:16:30):
so hard to make this movie.
The movie is so disconnected

Adam (01:16:34):
from reality.
It just became a lot more interesting now that I know this.
Give

Khilli (01:16:37):
us something.

Adam (01:16:41):
Give us something.

Khilli (01:16:39):
Yeah

Adam (01:16:39):
Wow she was interesting
In another movie
That's cool
What a cool fact

Khilli (01:16:43):
This character
No

Winnie (01:16:45):
the movie is
Disconnected from reality
Boring
Terrible acting

Adam (01:16:49):
Stay on TikTok kids
Don't watch this movie
I

Winnie (01:16:51):
mean
I want

Khilli (01:16:52):
to talk about
Talk about like
How Karanjur's film
Are like
Gradually declining
Day by day
Like he's not giving
Enough hits
To the point that
Yeah
I don't know
He's
I heard like he sold
Almost half of the share
Of Dharma production
To someone else

Nicky (01:17:08):
Mm

Khilli (01:17:06):
He's tired

Nicky (01:17:08):
There was that like
You know
We shared this article
The other day
Right
It was like an Al Jazeera article
Where
They mentioned that
K. Joe's latest films
Have all been flops
Yeah
They're losing a lot of money
Yeah
Because the same

Winnie (01:17:21):
kind of movies
That made him popular
Back in the day
Is not gonna work anymore
That's

Adam (01:17:25):
exactly it

Khilli (01:17:25):
He actually produced
A very nice film
I
Definitely want
Everyone to
Jigra
Jigra
It's
It starts
Ali Abhad
As an action hero
and she's saving her brother from a fictional country in Southeast Asia
where he just gets mixed up with a drug bust

(01:17:46):
and he's about to get like life sentence
sorry death sentence
and then she saves him
and it's a very nice film.
It's directed by one of my favorite directors from Bollywood,
Vasan Bala, but it's a really good film,
nice set up, nice world building, nice characters,

(01:18:06):
terrific actions, brilliant cinematography,
amazing set design, but flops in Indian box office.

Adam (01:18:17):
All right, this is a good time to wrap it up.
The door opened.
We need to...
We
got some more toys from the temple fair today.
Okay, guys.
So the

Khilli (01:18:25):
takeaway from this film is like,
don't watch this film.
Watch Jigra.

Adam (01:18:31):
Yeah, and we'll watch Jigra at some point.
And all the movies in the multi-school universe.
The MCU, the multi-college universe.
Yeah.

Nicky (01:18:41):
occasional universe
it

Adam (01:18:43):
was fun watching it i'm glad we got uh you know a real 17 year old's
perspective on it that was nice that those

Nicky (01:18:49):
extra elements made it fun keely did uh bring your kids
to work yeah yeah swear in front of your show how

Adam (01:18:59):
stressful your job could be you have to watch all
these shit movies
yeah
uh yeah so yeah don't don't watch this you can skip it uh so uh but we watch this so you don't
have to uh we'll watch some better films next time uh thanks for listening please uh rate and review
i guess

(01:19:33):
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