Rang De Basanti (2006)

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Adam (00:02):
No, I know.
Don't tap it.
Just talk.

Winnie (00:06):
You have to say

Adam (00:06):
tingling.
Talk louder.

Winnie (00:10):
Tingling.
Tingling.

Adam (00:12):
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, you're not going to pop.

Khilli (00:15):
No, no.
DJ was doing like tingling.
Something like that.

Winnie (00:17):
Is it from the movie?

Khilli (00:20):
He was doing like when he was drunk in the car.

Winnie (00:23):
We've all done the tingling-a-ting now,

Khilli (00:25):
Adam.

Winnie (00:26):
I think it's your turn to do the tingling-a-ting.

Adam (00:29):
If I do that, I get cancelled.
I can't.
I'm not.
Very good. Very PC.
See, I passed the test. I did it.

Winnie (00:52):
Welcome to Fear of Stairs, Desi Films Decoded, the podcast where four friends from different backgrounds unlock the world of Desi cinema.
I'm Winnie, the Desi who's never been to India.

Khilli (01:01):
Hi, I'm Kili. I'm from India. I'm a very patriotic person.

Nicky (01:06):
I'm Nikki, who is also a very somewhat nationalistic person.
I'm Adam. I'm

Adam (01:12):
not nationalistic at all. I'm American.
And today I learned that if...
white women go around the world
and tell people about their history,
we won't have any conflicts.
And I honestly think that we should
currently have more white women to tell us
what's going on in the world.
Oh, what movie?

Khilli (01:30):
Who is the white woman here?

Adam (01:32):
Well, I think that's why we can't ever solve anything
and why we fight all the time.
If a white woman came down
and gave us a PowerPoint about our podcast,
I think we could actually perform better.
We could see things that only white women can see.

Winnie (01:47):
I guess now we're accepting nominations for a white woman to join our podcast.
You can put

Adam (01:51):
white on your face, and I think that'll do it.
You think so?
What, Wyatt?
Okay.

Winnie (01:55):
No, I'll paint my face

Adam (01:57):
white, and then I'll cry,

Winnie (01:58):
and then you guys will finally care.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Yes.

Adam (02:02):
That makes you hot.
If you have your face covered in whiteout ink and you cry...
A plus.
I'm not going to participate in this

Winnie (02:11):
discussion.
Does anyone want to guess the movie we're talking about based on this premise?

Adam (02:15):
Right, exactly.
No, it's not White Chicks.
Wrong.

Winnie (02:20):
It is...
Rang de Basanti.
Rang de

Adam (02:24):
Basanti.
Keely, you chose this for us.
Yes.
Why?

Khilli (02:37):
Why?
um this film was like very close to my heart when i was a young kid i was i think i was 15 16 year
old and so this film had a dose of the dose of freedom movements history from india draws a
parallel to the contemporary politics and then like a armed resistance against corrupt politicians
and stuff and then being a
kid it kind of attracted me a lot and yeah so it was it it's always been uh very like uh very

(03:03):
i was i've been always been a fond of this film so i was like yeah why not because we have been
watching a few of america's film and all of them were like kind of goofy i guess and
So I was like, let's say let's watch one of his films.
That's not that much goofy.
And it's also as close to.
And also like after after the United Health CEOs murder, it kind of dawned on me like why we not review this film.

(03:29):
Yeah.

Winnie (03:30):
This film is basically like Luigi of India.

Khilli (03:33):
Yeah, I wish.

Adam (03:35):
Yeah.
Close.
It doesn't have Amir Khan back in college again, which is where he seems to love being.
But it was 2006.
I was graduating high school.
2008, I remember, is when Obama got elected.
So this is a very pre-Obama type

Khilli (03:52):
film,

Adam (03:54):
Western-wise, I think.
Yeah.

Khilli (03:58):
That film is actually, it talks about that times politics and youth, what they were thinking. And at that point of time, like this millennial youth, like we are millennial, right? So
When we were young, we were like this huge, I mean, a big promising youth coming out of like neoliberal India.

(04:22):
And they had like a lot of dream in their eyes to change the country and everything.
So this film kind of felt in that place.
And it was very relatable that time.
And oh, no, we all had this big dream.
And why don't we start a revolution about things and stuff like that?
And this film touches...
those cords like string like yeah strung those cords so yeah

Winnie (04:46):
this film must have been pretty
radical and revolutionary for that time because i feel like the vast majority of bollywood films
we watch is very escapist fantasy like right like you're watching to kind of transport yourself to
a better world and this movie really like snaps you back to reality it kind of makes you wake up
to what's going on around you the politics and it's almost like a call to action for the youth

Adam (05:11):
yeah
I do think it's interesting watching this compared to Jawan that came out last year.
But

Winnie (05:13):
this

Adam (05:14):
is, again, same for Western people.
The peak of, oh, we have political agency and maybe we can change things.
Post-Bush era, around the same time.
And then fast forward to now and it's like, no, we just need a superhero, I guess.
We're not going to comment.
So it's a great time capsule of

Nicky (05:34):
the feeling at

Winnie (05:34):
the time versus now.
We are now jaded.

Nicky (05:39):
And I guess we'll find out soon enough that it's a pre-iPhone era.
Big

Adam (05:45):
plot point.

Nicky (05:47):
Honestly, a big reason for our

Adam (05:49):
whole lives right now is it's all pre-iPhone.
It's true.

Khilli (05:53):
iPhone came

Adam (05:53):
out in 2006.

Khilli (05:55):
Oh, so same time.
This

Winnie (05:57):
year.

Adam (05:57):
So everything kind of...
changes its trajectory after this.

Khilli (06:03):
It's not that popular in India at that time.
But the class we are talking about in this film, actually, they will have iPhone.
Yeah.
They're pretty rich people in this film.

Nicky (06:14):
Let's get into it.
Yeah.
So, okay, you know, to sum it up, Randa Basanti is basically, like, it follows this, like,
white girl, British film student.
Sue McKinley
she's like a film student right and she has this
like diary of her
grandfather James
who was like

(06:35):
I think he was like a soldier in the British
army serving in like 1930s
And he basically oversaw the capture of these freedom fighters.
It tells the story of five freedom fighters in the Indian Revolution movement, as we'll soon find out.

(06:56):
So she was inspired by that story, and she sought to make a...
And I say this in quotation marks documentary

Adam (07:04):
for,

Nicky (07:07):
you know, for a film. But then, you know, she, you know, she's throughout the movie, she's in search for these, like people to be, she's in search for like students. She's in search for actors to be in her movie, right? And then she meets like these five guys.
uh not the burger five guys uh five i don't know why

Winnie (07:26):
they're also

Nicky (07:27):
shopping oh

Winnie (07:27):
my gosh i suddenly
have an intense craving for cajun fries and a burger and

Nicky (07:33):
very expensive burgers so five guys
and then like you know uh it's like an ensemble cast like she'll meet she meets like five five dudes
in India. But before we get before I get into that, so like these freedom fighters, they're
I'm going to just read it from the I might I might screw the names up. But like there's
Chandra Shikhar Azad, Bhagat Singh, Shivaram Rajguru, Ash Fakula Khan, and Ram Prasad Bismil.

(08:03):
How was that, Kili?

Khilli (08:05):
Kili's laughing in the background.
No, it was pretty good.

Adam (08:08):
I

Khilli (08:09):
just laughed at one name.
How do you say it?
I think it sounds the same.
Oh, okay.
The second last

Winnie (08:19):
one.

Khilli (08:20):
Aspakula.
Aspakula.
Oh my gosh.

Winnie (08:23):
Maybe Adam shouldn't even try.

Khilli (08:25):
Is that bad?
Nikki did a pretty good job, I'd say.
No, Nikki did pretty good.
All right, sorry.
Continue, Nikki.
No, no, no.

Adam (08:32):
It didn't sound bad.
I can't pronounce McKinley really well.
McKinley,

Nicky (08:36):
you mean?
See, Killy can't do that.
So, okay.
What do you mean?
I mean...
Yeah, I don't...
So, I'm gonna be bad at these stream fighters.
I don't know what they did individually.
But, yeah.

Khilli (08:49):
Yeah, they're part of this armed struggle resistance against British occupation in India.

(09:10):
Yeah.

Winnie (08:56):
Yeah,

Khilli (08:56):
so this guy, Chandrasekhar Azad, he was one of the co-founders of Hindustan Republic
Association.
This was one of the political group that kind of believed in armed struggle against the
Britishers.
And yeah, so they did few, few actions.
And then they were like, and Bhagat Singh, who is like one of the...

(09:19):
biggest martyr like we really respect in India because he was a youth icon.
He has been a youth icon, armed revolutionary.
And he joined the gang and then he turned that political party into a Hindustan Republican
socialist party.
association

(09:40):
and then
he was like
all of them
were eventually
martyred
because of
their actions
like either by
police encounter
or by
hanging till
death
so yeah
so they
were
they're pretty
important
political figures
who are
Active in the Punjab region, from the Punjab region, like Lahore, Karachi, and yeah, so all the major Punjab cities.

(10:08):
And yeah, so the film kind of follows their story a bit and tries to draw

Winnie (10:18):
a story.
And before this movie, were these people well known amongst the youth?
Oh yeah, Bhagat Singh

Khilli (10:23):
had been really known because there had been films about Bhagat Singh.
We read about Bhagat Singh and there are like imageries of Bhagat Singh everywhere.

Winnie (10:31):
And

Khilli (10:32):
Bhagat Singh is some character which is kind of liked by...
leftist and as well as
centrist and as well as rightist.

Winnie (10:41):
Okay, so very unifying figure.
So

Khilli (10:43):
it's all like
him for different reasons though.
So my reading is
people
don't actually
read about his politics.
They read about like,
oh, he shot someone.
He was an armed
revolution. He did something.
He did something

(11:05):
like,
macho,
you know,

Winnie (11:08):
like,

Khilli (11:09):
and this youth icon image,
like,
he did something,
like,
very,
like,
brave,
brave against the occupation.
So,

Winnie (11:19):
that's the

Khilli (11:19):
angle that people draw.
And I think,
that's why this film kind of
also, you know,
it was in
like in the centrist zone.
So that's why this film,
if you,
that's what like even Adam
was talking about it
while watching.
It's like,
this film doesn't
talk about their politics

(11:40):
it's just imageries of
what they did right

Adam (11:44):
yeah it doesn't say what they were fighting for
it says how they

Khilli (11:47):
were fighting
and maybe that was very intentional to

Winnie (11:50):
kind of
keep him as a unifying symbol for
people of all beliefs

Khilli (11:54):
so I think that this film
also like these people doesn't
doesn't seem like very well politically versed the the main actors main characters and yeah so
i i kind of i was thinking today about it and then i was like yeah it's true like
that's maybe the reason that everyone likes bhagat singh because the indian right wing right now

(12:17):
they're like religiously oriented and bhagat singh is the person who literally wrote a
essay called
Why I am an atheist
and which was
bashing Hinduism

Winnie (12:27):
quite

Khilli (12:28):
a bit
and
like all the religion
but like
his point was like
I cannot
so
before he was
hung to
hung to death

(12:52):
like
people were telling him
oh no when you face death you will
gain back your belief
faith in God and

Winnie (12:45):
stuff like that
and

Khilli (12:46):
he said like no I don't want that escape
like then what am I
like I don't want that escape
that would be cowardice for me to like
believe in God something that I never
did like I not never did like
I chose not to do
just because I'm facing death.

Winnie (13:01):
So very radical figure.

Khilli (13:03):
So this movie

Winnie (13:04):
was not
just a progressive liberal movie.
It was a movie that
kind of
was

Adam (13:09):
relatable for people
of all political beliefs.
Would

Khilli (13:12):
you say that?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah.

Adam (13:14):
I think, you know, like
like ml glenn beck had like an mlk day

Winnie (13:19):
you know so

Adam (13:20):
i think like i'm maybe i don't think he's like
the mlk or whatever but you know these people when you strip away everything are very easy to be
commandeered by any
type of political movement
when you have like a Fox News guy
like Glenn Beck doing like an MLK day
you know I feel like it's

Khilli (13:38):
the same type of thing

Adam (13:39):
where it's like he's just a symbol

Winnie (13:41):
yeah yeah

Khilli (13:41):
he became a symbol now
and also like but
this film's narrative has
pretty much
Hindu nationalist as well like Chandrasekhar
has been a Hindu nationalist
and
what was this guy who was playing

Winnie (13:55):
the Muslim guy

Khilli (13:57):
the Hindu guy who was a friend of

Winnie (13:58):
the Muslim guy

Khilli (13:59):
Ram Prasad Bismil
Ram Prasad Bismil had been a Hindu nationalist
so they were
like Bhagat Singh started working
with Hindu nationalists and then
went towards more

Winnie (14:22):
uh

Khilli (14:11):
secular socialist

Winnie (14:14):
and this movie also
portrays that right
you see kind of
the relationship
between this Hindu
nationalist

Khilli (14:18):
and this

Winnie (14:19):
Muslim man
start off on
a very
rough edges
and then they kind of
learn to see
each other eye to eye
because
of
A white woman crying.
I know everyone's confused about why we talked about the white woman early on, but it'll make sense as Nikki goes through the plot.

Nicky (14:36):
Okay.
So yeah, like Sue McKinley.
It's Sue McKinley, by the way.
Yeah, her dad

Adam (14:40):
was like a war criminal.

Nicky (14:42):
No, her grandfather.

Adam (14:44):
Her grandfather, sorry, was a war criminal.

Khilli (14:58):
Yeah.

Adam (14:47):
Killed a bunch of people, occupied India.
She looked at this.

Khilli (14:51):
Tortured people heavily in prison.

Adam (14:55):
And he was like...

Khilli (14:56):
Inhuman torture and then praying to Jesus after that for some reason.

Adam (15:00):
Yeah.
And she's like, I need to film this.
It's like she

Nicky (15:05):
was inspired by their revolutionary spirit.
Or whatever.
that it's anyway so it started off with like her and you know wanting to make a film in like
london i think and then like her boss was like no we should make more films about like
uh gandhi or something she said something like along the lines of

Winnie (15:24):
that yeah and

Nicky (15:25):
then like you
know since she couldn't make the film she decided to you know travel to india where she has like a
friend named sonia
Sonia is this college student at the University of Delhi.
And then we get to see this...
They would round up a bunch of these students to do auditions.
And we have this segment with auditions that feel like they're all American Idol rejects.

(15:52):
Because you get this montage of them performing badly or whatever.

Adam (15:59):
They spend

Nicky (16:00):
a majority of the time doing that.
But I do

Adam (16:03):
want to note, these people want to be in the film,
which is a big difference in the people she casts.
That is notable.
They did volunteer their time and actively want to be in it.
And she said no.

Nicky (16:15):
Yeah.
So then, you know, because like because they're all terrible, right?
They decide to go to this like party at some heritage site.
I don't recognize what it is.

Winnie (16:25):
I mean, it's like a heritage

Nicky (16:26):
site.
And then like, you know, she meets Sonia's friends and we get to see like these like main characters.
Now, Akili says that Amir Khan isn't really a goofball, but I kind of disagree with that because he plays this character named DJ, who we first see.
He's acting like a

Winnie (16:44):
goofball.
No, he's a goofball.
He's a goofball.

Nicky (16:47):
He's like, you know, he's like sitting on top of the edge drinking like beer bottle with his friend, who was also played by...
I think it was
Sharman Joshi
right?
Yes.
Yeah so these two
we've seen before
these

Winnie (17:02):
two guys
are from the

Nicky (17:03):
Three Idiots
right?
So that's
DJ is played by Amir Khan
and then that dude
Sharman Joshi
is Suki
and then we also have
like the
this like
Afro
tag artist
Aslam

(17:26):
who
who was played by, I think,
Khudan Kapoor.
And we also have this badass smoker
who has a lot of daddy's money
named Karen.
That's pretty cool.
I don't remember his actor's name, but okay, yeah.

Winnie (17:34):
Siddharth, I guess.
Right.

Nicky (17:36):
Yeah, those are the two guys.
Those were the first four guys.
And of course, DJ, because he's Amir Khan
and the main character, he spared no expense
on hitting on Alice.

Winnie (17:48):
Like he

Nicky (17:48):
was like
Speaking like
In Indian
And like
He was speaking in
Hindi

Winnie (17:54):
In the end
Nikki just went full time
Nikki's cancelled
Full time
Oh my god

Nicky (18:02):
Okay, yeah, so he's paying no expense hitting on her.
And for whatever reason, she's enamored by him.

Winnie (18:10):
I think it's worth mentioning that Amir Khan is a goofball
because he's older, right?
But he's still in college.
He never graduated college

Adam (18:17):
somehow.
He graduated five years ago.

Winnie (18:21):
But he's still hanging out with his college.
That's super

Adam (18:23):
cool.
He's the Van Wilder of

Winnie (18:25):
India in college.
And he's the
coolest guy.

Khilli (18:32):
Yeah.
He says later that he does that because he's afraid of the outside world.
That comes in a very emotional scene later on.
I mean, when

Winnie (18:36):
he went to the outside world, he ended up in space as PK.

Khilli (18:39):
Sure.

Winnie (18:41):
Why?
He had to stay there as

Adam (18:42):
long as possible.
Outside of the art.

Nicky (18:45):
Peritatory.

Adam (18:46):
He thinks like he's scared of the outside.
He's afraid of getting a job.
So he just stays in this university drinking

Winnie (18:51):
all

Adam (18:51):
the time.
And then like, yeah.
And then we

Winnie (18:53):
fast forward to three idiots and you see how bad university is for your mental health.
These are all chronological.
All the crossovers.

Khilli (19:02):
All because his widowed or single mother is running a business and doing all the work and sending him money to drink at the college.
And that's such

Winnie (19:10):
a
responsible fella.
Definitely someone who will walk in Bhagat Singh's shoes.

Khilli (19:16):
No, no, he played Chandra Shikharazad.

Adam (19:19):
Cancelled again.
Oh, man.
Next.
We're playing a game.
Guys, a reminder.
I'm Indian.

Winnie (19:23):
I cannot be cancelled.
Oh.

Adam (19:25):
Oh, what?
Fuck.
You should be a Vicky now.
Oh,

Nicky (19:29):
shit.

Adam (19:30):
Alright, so he's moving off.

Nicky (19:33):
Yeah, so I just want to go back to Amir Khan's character.
To drive the point home that he's a badass.
They're like partying their asses off.
And then like, oh, wait, before I get that, we're also introduced in this party.
There's like a conservative party that

Winnie (19:49):
breaks up the partying

Nicky (19:52):
students of their term of party.
Yeah, it's like we get to meet like this guy.
He's like this.
He's this activist named Lakshman Pandey.

Khilli (20:04):
The character's

Nicky (20:05):
name.

Khilli (20:06):
He's this

Nicky (20:07):
very straight-edge

Winnie (20:08):
dude

Nicky (20:09):
that is very nationalistic and stuff.

Winnie (20:12):
Yes.

Nicky (20:15):
And we get to show how corrupt the police are, because the police came over and then they decide.
like DJ being the badass that he is
decides to bribe the police

Adam (20:25):
and stuff.
With his mom's money.
With his mom's money.
His mom's like bakery money.

Nicky (20:31):
Yeah, so to drive the point home
of how cool he is,
like we get this segment where they're like,
going back from driving back to the party like like they're driving in a jeep and then like you
get to see Amir Khan driving in a bike

Winnie (20:43):
yeah like

Nicky (20:44):
the badass that he is and it's like a it's like a
segment like it's so 90s like so very 90s

Winnie (20:50):
with the

Nicky (20:50):
blur effect and everything I don't yeah I don't
know I thought I thought that was funny
Anyway, we also meet Sonia's boyfriend, who will become a very important character later on.
He's like this pilot named Ajay Rathor.

Khilli (21:06):
Rathor, yeah.

Nicky (21:07):
Who represents this other historical...
uh freedom fighter i think his name is like lala lachpat rye holy

Winnie (21:16):
crap oh yeah

Khilli (21:16):
i don't

Winnie (21:17):
i doubt
that's correct right yeah

Khilli (21:18):
no i mean uh okay so the parallel is

Winnie (21:21):
it's a parallel but i

Khilli (21:22):
didn't really
like never played in the

Adam (21:24):
film yeah yeah

Khilli (21:25):
he never played in that sepia tone film but it's kind of a
parallel with the real story yeah and also he was he was the other friend from three idiots

Winnie (21:35):
wait so there's
there's three people
then in the movie
that is in 3D
all

Khilli (21:38):
of them are
into here
oh

Winnie (21:40):
wow
oh he's the one
the other third guy

Khilli (21:42):
the photographer guy

Winnie (21:44):
oh
wait wait
yeah

Khilli (21:46):
you're right
he's the photographer guy
so all three of

Winnie (21:48):
them

Adam (21:49):
in this

Winnie (21:49):
movie
that's a totally
holy shit that's pretty cool

Adam (21:54):
are they like Amir Khan's best friends

Winnie (21:55):
I

Adam (21:56):
don't

Khilli (21:56):
know I

Winnie (21:56):
don't think

Khilli (21:57):
so
because these are the only two people
no they're not

Winnie (22:00):
maybe Rangda Basanti was such a huge success
they kept trying

Khilli (22:02):
to

Adam (22:05):
so PK then is ultimately
an option of Rangda Basanti

Nicky (22:09):
Amir Khan verse

Adam (22:11):
how do we keep this going

Nicky (22:14):
so yeah she falls in love with the
entire group and she's like
I'm going to get them to be in my movie.

Adam (22:21):
But they're losers.
I mean, just to be clear,
they don't volunteer.
They don't audition.
They don't want to do it.
They are like flunkies
or they can't do anything
and function in society.
And she's like,
these guys i think

Winnie (22:35):
that's also intentional the way they were portrayed before they got into the movie
was to show how that the youth of that time was just kind of uninterested in anything bigger than
themselves living in the moment trying to have fun be impulsive so i think that portrayal was very
intentional

Khilli (22:48):
yeah it's a boomer point of view

Winnie (22:50):
exactly yeah yeah you

Khilli (22:52):
guys are good for nothing

Nicky (22:54):
Yeah.
Let's go

Khilli (22:55):
kill some politician.
Even one

Nicky (22:58):
of them, he's like,
Karan, like the smoker with daddy's money.
So his dad is like a very like politician,
like a well-connected politician.

Khilli (23:11):
Yeah, I would say a crony capitalist.

Nicky (23:14):
Okay.
Yeah,

Khilli (23:14):
kind of who talks to, like, who is close to the power, like, political party in the power.
Yeah.

Nicky (23:20):
Yeah, and then, like, you know, you get this, like, quick little subplot where, like, he despises his dad.
So, like, he'll be in the movie and one-up him.
I don't know how to say it, like...
like
well we'll get into it
it's just that
so yeah anyway

(23:42):
she starts filming
they don't take it seriously
DJ's a goofball
insufferable

Adam (23:48):
yeah they don't want to do this

Winnie (23:50):
like they're being

Nicky (23:50):
pains

Adam (23:51):
in the ass
And she's like, no, but these are my guys.
And just again, to be clear, Nikki said she came to film a documentary.
She's not.
She's auditioning people for a film.

Khilli (23:59):
They have

Adam (24:00):
roles.
There's a script.
They have sets.

Khilli (24:03):
She's filming an

Adam (24:04):
actual movie.
It's called a movie.

Khilli (24:06):
Ongoing, ongoing debate about this.
It's not ongoing.

Adam (24:10):
I brought this up before.
Braveheart is not a documentary.
Titanic's not a documentary.
What she is filming is a recreation of
historical events, but that doesn't make it a documentary.

Winnie (24:20):
That's a movie.
Adam, you definitely brought this up before.
I think this was 70% of Adam's comments while we were watching the movie.
It was just like, this is not

Adam (24:26):
a documentary.
So just so the audience knows,
they're not like interviewing people that are involved in these events.
And when we say she's making her film, she is just doing...
a fictional film.

Khilli (24:38):
Maybe she would
interview after
like before
finishing the film.

Adam (24:42):
If she showed that
in the film,
I would have incorporated
that, but she didn't.
Also, she

Winnie (24:45):
has no money
for this movie.
So it's,

Adam (24:47):
you know,
she's a very poor student.
But

Khilli (24:49):
the socks are like
so nice.

Adam (24:51):
I

Winnie (24:51):
can only afford

Adam (24:52):
20 horses per scene.
You can only get
one train

Winnie (24:55):
scene
for the whole movie.

Adam (24:57):
She's pretty broke.

Nicky (25:06):
Yeah.

Winnie (25:00):
White people broke.

Adam (25:02):
She's a millionaire.

Nicky (25:04):
Yeah.
So throughout, this is where, you know,
there's a lot of things that happen during this, like,
a part in the movie where they're like,
she's trying to get them to be serious with this film.
Like, at one point we get to see that there is like a scandal
happening in the background of the plot,
where it's like, there's like a defense minister who's like,

(25:26):
implicated in this
MiG-21 plane
scandal,

Winnie (25:31):
where

Nicky (25:32):
the planes are having
faulty equipment and they're breaking
down and killing their pilots mid-flight.
So there's that that's happening.
And there's also
the thing that, I think this is what
the others are talking about, where
Because the boys are not taking it seriously.
What does Sue do to get them to unite?

Adam (25:53):
She cries.
The only arsenal in a white woman's tool belt is to cry.

Nicky (25:59):
Yeah, to cry.
And then the reason she cried is because she decides to enlist the help of the conservative party member, the Lakshman guy.
to play the missing fifth member.
And, you know, of course, you know, they're not getting along.
And, you know, like Adam said, she cries.

(26:19):
Well, he hates the Muslim guy.

Winnie (26:21):
He hates

Nicky (26:21):
the

Khilli (26:21):
Muslim guy.
The very handsome Muslim guy.
Yeah.

Nicky (26:24):
Which we also get to know more of, right?
Because he was like, we get to see his family.
Like, they...
They hate Hindus.

Khilli (26:31):
That's a very like regular approach Bollywood film makes.
Like, you know, they will have a very secular Muslim and they will

Winnie (26:40):
have also

Khilli (26:42):
very conservative Muslims.
I think it's here we see like for other religion also like there are extremists and there are secular people.
And it's a mix of it's a mixed bag.
It's a very conservative.
Yeah, it's okay.
Yeah,

Winnie (26:55):
but this woman literally cries and solves like decades, centuries of trouble between Hindus and Muslims.
I guess we just need to enlist her right now.

Adam (27:05):
They want her to not feel bad because she's sad.
And so then they...
work together to not
confront their differences or really
acknowledge them. They

Khilli (27:17):
just

Adam (27:18):
put it under the table.
They hide it under the rug so that
she can stop crying and they can keep hanging
around White Girl.

Nicky (27:26):
Yeah, so they get together
and then, you know, this is where it gets
like, they do the parallel thing
between what's happening at present
and with what's happening
in Sue's diary.
We get to see like
historical moments
like the train robbery.

Winnie (27:44):
They call it the
Kakori robbery.

Khilli (27:47):
We

Nicky (27:48):
also see the
Jalianwala
Massacre.

Khilli (27:52):
Yeah.

Nicky (27:53):
Jalianwala.
No,

Khilli (27:54):
no, it's right.
Yeah, Jalianwala
Massacre.
It was a

Winnie (27:58):
Very

Khilli (27:58):
sad part.
They were open-fired on a group of peaceful protesters assembled in a closed park.
It had only one or two exits and entrances.
And they blocked everything and then just open-fired on...

Adam (28:15):
I like the non-sad massacres.

Khilli (28:18):
Which one?

Adam (28:19):
The non-sad ones.

Winnie (28:26):
Yeah.

Adam (28:23):
Which one?
None.
There's none.

Winnie (28:26):
Exactly.

Adam (28:28):
This is a really terrible,

Winnie (28:29):
massive pair,

Adam (28:30):
unlike the other really good ones.

Nicky (28:34):
Yeah.
There's also, like, the,
you know, um...
I guess it was a Chandra Chikharazan, like a master of disguise.
Because we get to see like, you know, in the historical film where like Amir Khan was like doing the whole disguise thing.
Do you remember that?

Khilli (28:52):
I think he was trying out the wig, wigs and mustache.

Nicky (28:56):
Yeah, yeah, that's it.

Winnie (28:57):
That's it.
Yeah,

Khilli (28:57):
in the mirror.
And that's where it transitions that to like them being actually serious.
And the Rang De Basanti title track plays on the back.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Winnie (29:06):
So what does Rang De Basanti actually mean?
The colors, you know, Kili?
Is there a

Khilli (29:12):
meaning?

Winnie (29:12):
It's like some

Nicky (29:12):
paint me sample.
Yeah,

Winnie (29:14):
I remember something about colors.
I think

Khilli (29:15):
it's something, some Punjabi lord is there.
I kind of, I don't know.
Okay.
Yeah, I

Winnie (29:21):
think

Khilli (29:22):
it's kind of, it's related to some text, actually.

Nicky (29:26):
But what we know is that
all these freedom fighters,
they know each other,
historically speaking.

Khilli (29:31):
Is that true?

Nicky (29:32):
Kili, do you know

Winnie (29:32):
that?

Nicky (29:33):
All the freedom fighters.
Oh, yeah.
The story

Khilli (29:37):
is kind of...
The Sepiaton story is true.

Nicky (29:40):
It's true, right?
They were all there.
They were connected.
But they

Khilli (29:42):
were not
this five-people gang
Like, don't think of that.
Because also in the film, they never show them, like, together doing that,
apart from, like, plotting the murder of one of the police general after.
So that was the only scene where all of them come together in the Sepiaton film, right?
But they are connected through this party, Hindustan Republican Association.

(30:04):
That's it.
But their timings are different.
And maybe they are not, like, all that close friends and stuff.
But they were all comrades, for sure.
Yeah.

Adam (30:11):
Were they all explicitly, like, leftists?

Khilli (30:14):
No, that's what I'm saying.
Bhagat Singh was leftist, kinda.
Very left-influenced.
Socialist, for sure.
And Chandrasekhar Azad was Hindu nationalist.
Ram Prasad Bismil was a Hindu nationalist.
Asfakullah Khan was, of course not.

(30:37):
But she was like, but they all were kind of Republican kind of point of view.
Bhagat Singh brings in socialist

Winnie (30:45):
tendency.

Khilli (30:47):
And then, I mean, when I'm saying Bhagat Singh is like in the scope of this film,
like there were definitely other members in that party who were also cohorts of Bhagat Singh.
But...
in this film's context,
like,
Radha Singh brings in
the socialist point of view
and he was too powerful
in the party,
he becomes too important
in the party
to change the name

(31:07):
of the party
and add the socialist part
because there was
a very important speech
by him like that,
you know,
like,
this,
this,
I mean,
you have to be that
because otherwise
there is no way
of emancipation.
Like,
there would be like,
he said like,
otherwise,
like,
white sahibs will live
and brown sahibs will rule us.
There is no change.

Adam (31:27):
So their one defining trait was just anti-colonialism.
Yeah, actually,

Winnie (31:31):
what was their fight?
Was it just anti-colonialism?
Yeah, yeah.
Get

Khilli (31:34):
rid of the Britishers.

Winnie (31:35):
Okay, okay.
Yeah, that

Khilli (31:36):
was the fight they were fighting.

Winnie (31:39):
So it's very interesting that the whole premise of this film
is a British woman trying to...
explain this part of the history

Khilli (31:45):
cathartic journey for her mid-20s to kind of relieve her of her

Winnie (31:50):
ancestral guilt

Khilli (31:51):
yeah weird

Winnie (31:52):
that's how a lot of white people feel about

Adam (31:54):
a lot of things
they need to butt themselves into every situation because they feel guilty about what their
grandparents

Khilli (32:00):
did at least at least white people are in that stage brown people are not even
in that stage of like feeling guilt about their past deeds

Adam (32:08):
what do they have to feel better?
I think

Winnie (32:10):
brown people are still recovering from...
The segment

Khilli (32:12):
of brown people who are like oppressors.

Adam (32:15):
Sure.

Winnie (32:16):
They're

Khilli (32:16):
not even in the stage of acknowledgement.
I mean, barely the hyper minority of them are like in the stage of acknowledgement.
It's okay.
I

Winnie (32:23):
think they're playing a different game.
White people are

Khilli (32:24):
better.

Winnie (32:25):
No, they're playing a different game.
I think they are like reverse colonizing.
Like Rishi Sunak and all.
I'm guessing
they were probably...
They probably had some level of power.

Khilli (32:32):
I'm talking about the people where brown people are from.
Like the lands where brown people are from.
Like...
they're not even acknowledging the atrocities
they have been doing for ages.
If you point that out, you'd be like,
oh no, you are just like being,
creating this false segregation and shit.

Adam (32:50):
- I agree with Kili, white people are better at
their fault.

Khilli (32:55):
Yeah,
I also make
better films,
I guess,
about

Adam (32:57):
their
about their

Khilli (32:59):
about their
about their
like nasty
stuff that they
did.
So they do
nasty stuff
and then they
write a nice
script about it

Winnie (33:06):
and they make

Khilli (33:07):
a very nice
film about it.

Adam (33:08):
Brown people
can learn a lot
from

Winnie (33:09):
it.
And that's why they're still our heroes, right?
Because they commit crimes, but then they also save us from those crimes.
This movie would not have happened without her

Adam (33:18):
grandfather committing the crimes and her coming back to film them.
So think about that.
Without white people, we wouldn't even have this

Nicky (33:25):
movie.
The only way I can contribute is that Thai people love to save face.
And?

Adam (33:31):
And that worked

Winnie (33:32):
because Thailand was never colonized.
The only country in Southeast Asia that was never colonized.
We took

Nicky (33:37):
the cowardly audit.
Anyway, we

Winnie (33:38):
have to cut that.

Nicky (33:40):
So,

Winnie (33:40):
anyways.

Nicky (33:42):
I also want to point out that, like, Sonia also got cast in the film.
And then, like, it's never mentioned again.
Where, like, she's cast as this Durguwati.

Khilli (33:52):
Dula of Habi or something.
Yeah.

Nicky (33:54):
Who is

Khilli (33:54):
she?
She casts her

Nicky (33:56):
as that character.
And then it never gets mentioned again.
I don't

Khilli (33:59):
understand.
She played...

Nicky (34:02):
Who was she?
Lama Rajputra's wife?
I wouldn't know because that's why we got in the movie

Winnie (34:09):
an insignificant character

Nicky (34:11):
so I have a question for all of you
when you go to the airport
not like the airport
but the fields where the airport are
do you take off your shirt and
howl at the planes as they fly above you

Adam (34:22):
yeah that's how you pass tsa in america because

Nicky (34:26):
we
get this scene where like ajay their their pilot friend takes the boys and sonia and sue to like
this this airport and then like all the boys take off their shirts and howl at the airplanes like i
don't know if that's a thing but the my main point of this thing this this part is that ajay uh proposes

(34:47):
to sonia
You know, he asked for her hand in marriage.
It's going to be important later on.

Adam (34:52):
Well, yeah.
And also, we haven't seen their relationship at all until now.
And like, we kind of forgot he existed.
And then he proposes.
And even watching the movie, we're like, who is this guy?

Winnie (35:05):
Where did he
come from?

Adam (35:07):
And then the movie just veers off and does a whole relationship montage.

Winnie (35:11):
So it's kind of easy to see where this is going, right?
You can kind of tell that his character is going to be pivotal somehow.

Nicky (35:17):
Yeah, like marriage and I'm going to join the army and fight for my country.
I wonder where that will lead.
But the interesting

Adam (35:25):
part is that there is nothing to fight now in the army he's in.
This is why it's interesting.
He's like, I'm patriotic.
I'm going to fight back.

Winnie (35:35):
Adam, you cannot say that.
That's how all countries operate.
That's how
militaries
exist.
There's always something to fight for.
What do we have to

Adam (35:43):
salute him for?
He's just doing test runs.
He's not even protecting anything.
He is impotent.
He is in a military with no purpose at the moment.
These previous guys had some type of purpose.
Now it's like,

Winnie (35:55):
The whole military thing as a complex is kind of devotion to your country.
So no, I
agree with you.
You're not protecting,
defending against anything.
It's
kind of like this invisible threat that
you're going to create somehow
because you're going to go and do something that attacks them
and then there's going to be defense and then you're going to say,
yep, this is why militaries exist.

(36:15):
But Kili, you said that you're very patriotic.
Would you do what he did?

Adam (36:20):
which is fly a plane back and

Winnie (36:22):
forth.
That was your
introduction.
Yeah,

Khilli (36:24):
I would like to fly a plane.
Someone enroll me in a pilot course or something.

Winnie (36:30):
It's very

Adam (36:31):
expensive.

Khilli (36:31):
I can't afford myself.
Please, guys.

Adam (36:34):
So we're starting up a GoFundMe.
So if you go to fearofstairs.com slash fundme,
we can pay for Kili to be a test pilot for MiG planes.

Winnie (36:42):
Please consider this Patriots, please.

Adam (36:45):
He's so patriotic.
The only way to protect India at the moment is to fly planes back and forth.

Winnie (36:50):
Kili's going to save

Adam (36:51):
India.
That's actually

Winnie (36:52):
me.

Adam (36:53):
Don't be close.

Nicky (36:56):
Go

Adam (36:56):
on.

Nicky (36:59):
So yeah, they work on the film.
They get close to...
They bond over making this film.
And so does that conservative party guy, Lakshman.
And, you know, we...
And then also, Sue begins a relationship with DJ.
Because why not?
I feel like that's undeserved.
Am I the only one that felt like it was so

Winnie (37:20):
undeserving?
Undeserved on whose end, Nikki?
On...

Adam (37:24):
The

Winnie (37:24):
deserved of each other.
Why does she like him?
Why does she like Indian

Adam (37:28):
Van Wilder?
Who is a goofball?
A college dropper.

Winnie (37:33):
And he's cute.
No, honestly,

Adam (37:34):
like, is that...
But there's nothing even...
But come on, there's cuter guys in this group too.
That Muslim guy is

Winnie (37:39):
way harder.
Yeah,

Adam (37:41):
way harder.
But the Muslim guy was not even flirting with her.

Winnie (37:44):
That's not

Adam (37:44):
her problem.
She could go for

Winnie (37:46):
him.
But also, maybe because he's Muslim, I hope that's not the

Adam (37:49):
reason.
Are you

Winnie (37:51):
speaking on behalf of white women right now?
I think

Adam (37:55):
Haley deserves to speak on behalf of white women.
he's a

Winnie (38:00):
carrot

Adam (38:00):
at every place we go to i don't cry but

Winnie (38:03):
dj does have this charisma to him right like
maybe it's amir khan coming through as an actor but he does kind of have this goofy personality
but you can tell he is also the lead ringer of his group

Adam (38:15):
the moment he's
pursuing her the whole time

Winnie (38:18):
yeah but in a very sweet way

Adam (38:21):
yeah yeah yeah he's just very clearly
interested in the whole he like
tags her instantly and like he doesn't
allow other people to talk to her
and is very much like I called

Winnie (38:30):
her
well I think for most Indian men having a white woman
is kind of one of the biggest prizes that they'll have
so you know he's definitely on his
best behavior

Adam (38:37):
would you agree
I know why he likes her that's not the question
why does she like him

Winnie (38:43):
Because she's doing her eat, pray, love, you know,

Adam (38:46):
that's her journey.

Winnie (38:47):
Romance is part of it.
Exotic meat.

Adam (38:52):
No, you're right.
There's a million other.
She's in fucking India.
Like she can fuck any of these guys.

Khilli (38:57):
So I think she had a thing for the revolutionary.
I think she had a thing for Chanda Sakharazade.
Like while, because.
She really explains it with like,
oh,
like,
like,
no,
someone who cannot,
so no one can catch him kind of vibe.

(39:17):
Like she,
she talked about very passionately about Chandrasekhar Azad and looked at him like,
Maybe she did this.
That was her thing.

Winnie (39:26):
Maybe.
Maybe the movie she really wants to make is that scene with the white woman and five black guys behind her.

Adam (39:34):
But now it's South

Winnie (39:34):
Asian men.
All right.
So anyway.
maybe remove that maybe

Adam (39:40):
that is what she wanted to do and i think that's a really good point
no

Khilli (39:43):
that's

Winnie (39:45):
why it's brown

Adam (39:45):
brown is

Winnie (39:46):
the new black i guess

Adam (39:47):
brown is the new black so

Nicky (39:50):
so su and her

Adam (39:52):
so

Nicky (39:52):
she's filming a porno

Adam (39:53):
with these young college students
No way.

Nicky (40:04):
Go on.

Adam (40:06):
I

Nicky (40:07):
can't get that image out of my head.
Anyway, so they bond over

Adam (40:10):
there.
When they run train on her, it's actually not about
the train scene.

Winnie (40:15):
That's why she could afford it in her budget.
It's all for free.
Oh my god.

Nicky (40:19):
I'm dead.
They get to...
They bond over a torture scene.
That's

Winnie (40:25):
a weird way

Adam (40:26):
to segue

Nicky (40:27):
into the next.
She's in S&M.
There was like this torture scene between like the conservative guy and the Muslim guy.
I'm going to refer to them as that now.

Winnie (40:37):
And they

Nicky (40:38):
bond over this scene, right?
And then, of course, Ajay comes in and said, oh, why are you guys all looking sad?
You know?
feels like someone has died wink wink anyway they they celebrate you know uh you know that ajay is
gonna go to to the air for indian air force

Adam (40:55):
and what do you think happens next well movie's over
there's no problem
And he just protects the skies all day.
Yeah.
Well, that's the bad.
Oh, shit, I should have stayed and watched.

Nicky (41:09):
That's the false ending.
He dies.
He just may become devastated to learn that Ajay dies.
Because as we mentioned before, there was a MiG-21 malfunction scandal thing going on.
And Ajay, unfortunately, becomes one of the victims.
to, you know, drive the jet and malfunction

Adam (41:32):
and it would crash.
Yeah, the plane just like exploded in the air or something on like a normal test run.
Yeah.

Nicky (41:38):
So that is like a very like huge turning point in the movie because that's when things get
really serious.
And, you know, the government, they kind of like blame the accident to like how Ajay is
like a bad pilot and they try to close the case and all that.

(41:58):
But.
You know, the group knows that Ajay is a good pilot, and they refuse to accept that official explanation.
So we also learned that the defense minister, he signed a contract importing cheap parts.
you know, of the plane
in exchange for, like, personal
favors. I don't know why
he did that.

(42:20):
And we also realized that Karen,
the guy with daddy's money,
his father is involved
in orchestrating this
this whole deal.
We get to learn a lot in that bit.
And we get to this really serious moment
where the group, they organize like a protest
at the India Gate.

(42:42):
And then we get like this segment
that the police just like violently breaks up the group
and like there's a whole lot of police brutality

Adam (42:49):
going on.
Yeah, I like this scene.
I like this scene because I was kind of worried
that it was going to be...
you know peaceful protesting solves everything and if we just hold hands and think kumbaya like
that's how the message gets out but it's not like they did try that and they all sat down and had
like a candlelight vigil type thing and then the government comes in and like cracks skulls and

(43:12):
beats up that dude's mom who died and then that's when they become like radicalized which is which
is like appropriate

Winnie (43:19):
like honestly

Adam (43:20):
that's when i become became radicalized when i thought like
cops bashing BLM protesters

Winnie (43:26):
and stuff where I was like

Adam (43:27):
okay there's no point
of return on this one so that's good
like I did like that is
true like the
peaceful protests don't work and I'm glad

Winnie (43:35):
these guys

Adam (43:36):
tried it saw it failed and then moved
on to the next step like I did appreciate

Winnie (43:40):
And that really brings us back to the beginning of the movie, right? When her company in England wanted her to cover Gandhi. Because that's kind of the story you'd get from Gandhi. Just like non-violent, peaceful protest working in the country's favor. And then you get almost the exact opposite with this Bhagat Singh coverage.

Khilli (44:09):
Yes.

Nicky (43:56):
for it
yeah that's
really good
actually Gandhi

Khilli (43:58):
was like
didn't write
a mercy
plea for
Bhagat Singh's
life
like everyone
asked Gandhi
to write a
mercy plea
for Bhagat Singh's
before he was
hung to death
and Gandhi said
no these are
violent kids

Winnie (44:14):
who

Khilli (44:14):
took wrong bet.
Oh, is that what happened?

Nicky (44:17):
Yeah,

Adam (44:18):
yeah, yeah.

Winnie (44:20):
Sorry.
Now that's going to be cancelable.
The only reason,
and

Adam (44:23):
Kili, correct me if I'm wrong, please,
but a lot of these peaceful protesters
are only successful
because of the other violent groups behind them.
where the threat is, if you don't work with me,
then you have to work

Winnie (44:36):
with

Khilli (44:36):
the violent people behind them.
Yeah, you have to always keep that as rifle.
If Gandhi did

Adam (44:39):
not have them, he would have no leverage,
no platform, and his platform would not have succeeded either.

Khilli (44:44):
No.
The

Adam (44:44):
peaceful only never works,
and Gandhi honestly should just appreciate the fact that them...
existing made him more palatable.

Khilli (44:52):
Yeah, Gandhi was a very...
For sure, he was a very important
figure and he did a lot and

Winnie (44:57):
everything.

Khilli (44:58):
But he's like full of flaws, right?
So, any leader is.
Most of the leaders. And Gandhi is
maybe a little more.

(45:19):
But...
Yeah, I mean, there was one huge movement.
I mean, he was like this huge figure
who has like a cult-like following
of millions of people.
Like he would say one thing
and people would like...
do anything

Winnie (45:23):
so he

Khilli (45:24):
had that command over like the huge mass right so there was some movement
like leave india movement which is 1942 the last biggest movement before before india's freedom
uh there was like and that movement kind of became balanced towards the end and gandhi actually
started fasting

(45:45):
to stop his followers to continue the movement at some point because the movement turned violent because at one point like you know I mean there was like some police cops beating and everything so what the protesters did they do?
locked all the cops in one village in one police station and burned the whole police station.

Winnie (46:06):
So

Khilli (46:06):
after that, like Gandhi was like, no, no, this is out of hand.
This is getting violent.

Winnie (46:10):
But you see, that's just a natural progression of any movement.
Like a bloodless revolution is almost a myth, I think,
especially when there's colonizers involved and it's
been going on for centuries.
And

Adam (46:21):
there's so many common analogies.
I'm not Martin Luther King Jr., the black guy, but Martin Luther...
uh

Winnie (46:27):
the the lutheran like the guy that created like protestantism yeah um

Adam (46:31):
you know he kind of
started the rebellion against the catholic church but then when he kind of got into a position of
influence where he was kind of just taken care of and kind of lived like a nice life and stuff
he started trying to quell all the other protests and was like no just listen to me we don't need to

(46:51):
you know material conditions would be disrupted he didn't want that to happen

Winnie (46:54):
so like when he

Adam (46:55):
was
on the lower end of the totem pole he was all for fighting and then when he got

Khilli (46:58):
in a higher position
he told everyone else to

Adam (47:00):
kind of stop it

Winnie (47:01):
happens all

Adam (47:01):
the

Khilli (47:01):
time never read that part in the history
book though you

Winnie (47:04):
know in the end it's always the victors who write history so the people that we
end up knowing are who kind of like the victors would want the west would want us to know about
that's why the whole world knows about gandhi but
Only Indians will know about Bhagat Singh and that whole group.

Adam (47:19):
And

Winnie (47:19):
this is our first introduction through a movie.

Adam (47:22):
Again, because of a white woman.
And also,

Winnie (47:25):
it's

Adam (47:27):
not only people that they want you to know, but people that they want you to follow.

Winnie (47:31):
Exactly.
That's why I'm saying you have to be kind of like suspicious of anyone who's pushed in your face as a good role model.
I

Khilli (47:37):
think Gandhi people still stand behind him.

Winnie (47:39):
Of course.
Because

Khilli (47:40):
there's one big reason.
Because...
He was a very centrist figure,
like in the truest sense of centrist figure,

Winnie (47:47):
like right wing

Khilli (47:48):
hated him.
Leftist also didn't like him.
And he was actually assassinated by the right wingers.
So this is a very,
I think I don't know many of the incidents in history
where right wing extremists assassinating
a very centrist figure.
Because they usually assassinate who goes towards...

Adam (48:10):
JK, assassination.
Yeah.
he was a centrist
I mean
he was a centrist

Khilli (48:15):
in

Winnie (48:16):
terms of
American politics

Khilli (48:17):
or in terms of
global

Winnie (48:19):
centrist
I think will tend
to pose a big threat
because they're
another unifying symbol
they can actually
get the mass on board
so I'd say
if anything
centrist can be
the biggest threat
to people in power

Khilli (48:41):
yeah
So that's what happened.
He's the first assassinated
political, huge political figure
and it was the Hindu
terrorist.
Hindu terrorist.

Adam (48:42):
But if it wasn't for these guys
that the movie's about, there would be no
independence.
For

Khilli (48:48):
sure. They built up the pressure

Adam (48:50):
a

Khilli (48:51):
lot.
I mean, there has always been a parallel armed struggle in the Indian freedom movement.
There were like Azad, Hind, Faj, which is like an army built against,
with collecting militaries who were arrested in Japan as part of the Second World War.

(49:14):
indian army uh like british indian army so suvash chandra was like he kind of collected all this
uh army people from like he britishers enemy states and created one army so they were trying
to enter india from one end like they were not very successful but whatever they were trying to

(49:35):
there was like an indian british navy in a british indian navy they they revolted they
there was a mutiny of the Navy towards the end.
So there were this,
all this armed resistance force was pressuring up and Congress,
international Congress,
that's like Gandhi was leader of like,

(49:56):
they were politically like peacefully moving and there were a lot of movements
happening.
So it was a very disturbed,
like they had a lot of pressure and of course the,
Yeah, like you said, the arm struggle will help the pressure a lot.
Cool.

Adam (50:17):
Do these guys have holidays based off of them?
Exactly.

Winnie (50:21):
Thank you.

Adam (50:23):
Of course not.
That's why we don't have Malcolm X Day.
That's why we have MLK Day.
Alright, keep going.

Nicky (50:31):
Yeah, so they see
Ajay's mom get beaten up
by the police. She ends up in a coma.
Lakshman gets to see that his
conservative party
leader is in cahoots with the
government. And that would
lead to all of them being
radicalized and
they need to take action and avenge
Ajay's death.

(50:53):
And so, what do you think they do to avenge Ajay's death?
They fucking murder the...
They fucking murder the defense minister.
In broad

Winnie (51:02):
daylight.
I'm still so impressed by this scene.
Insane.
Like, literally just

Nicky (51:06):
walking down

Winnie (51:07):
the sidewalk in broad daylight.
They come up with a bike and...
puff puff
yeah

Speaker 7 (51:13):
that's what

Winnie (51:13):
guns sound

Adam (51:13):
like
why

Speaker 7 (51:15):
did you do puff puff

Adam (51:16):
I don't know

Speaker 7 (51:17):
I think I'm thinking about the joint right

Adam (51:18):
now
that's what we were

Speaker 7 (51:22):
boom boom

Adam (51:28):
the way Nikki brought that up
is how quickly the movie brings that up

Winnie (51:32):
it's like out of nowhere

Adam (51:34):
in one scene they're like I guess we gotta kill this politician
and then they just do it
After like all this buildup and they just they're in a car.
It's like a GTA scene.
It's like broad daylight.
They just do a drive by shooting on this guy.
He's like walking out of his house to kill him

Winnie (51:48):
dead.
And like

Adam (51:49):
it happened.
They did it super unexpected for me.
I've never seen a movie just advocate killing politicians.
I mean, not advocate, just doing it.

Winnie (51:59):
And that's not

Adam (52:00):
the plot of the movie.

Winnie (52:01):
Is this how Luigi also shot the CU guy?
It was also in broad daylight,

Adam (52:04):
right?
Yeah.

Khilli (52:06):
Very similar.
Yeah, it's actually kind of cool.

Winnie (52:09):
But

Khilli (52:09):
yeah, of course, the CU didn't have bodyguards.
This

Winnie (52:12):
minister
had

Khilli (52:13):
bodyguards.
But they couldn't do anything because if you suddenly...
Because there is no intel, right?
So that's how people catch the assassination attempt.
Because there would be an intel.
Because there would be a bigger...
network flat plotting it there would be leaks of information

Winnie (52:27):
and stuff like

Khilli (52:27):
but they were like
just five people like deciding okay let's kill him

Adam (52:30):
and then there was

Khilli (52:31):
no leak of information and
suddenly killing him so no one

Adam (52:35):
could do anything again pre-internet so they're

Khilli (52:37):
not gonna like

Adam (52:38):
surveil this over chat or anything

Winnie (52:40):
yeah it's these

Adam (52:41):
dudes in a room
they kill him, they can't find who the killers are.
And yeah, it's pretty impressive.
It's a good blueprint for how we should all live our lives.

Nicky (52:51):
Adam's starting a revolution

Winnie (52:52):
right here.

Nicky (52:54):
So you think that is sudden, right?
Wait till you hear what happens next.
So the media ends up reporting that the defense minister,
he was killed by terrorists and that he's like a martyr or something.
And because the group feels that, oh shit,
that didn't make much of an impact.
what do you think they do next?

(53:14):
They take over a radio station at gunpoint.

Adam (53:18):
Yeah, they need to tell everyone why they killed him.
They need to tell everyone why this guy was bad
because they're shocked that newspapers weren't saying,
like, hey, evil guy dead everywhere.
And again, because it's pre-iPhone,
because it's pre-internet,
which I never thought about until watching this again,
they have to hijack a local college radio station

Khilli (53:42):
and it's a college it's like a proper radio

Winnie (53:44):
station oh

Khilli (53:45):
so they hijack like a

Adam (53:46):
local radio
station to broadcast their messages they have to physically hijack it when anything else now
would just be like a facebook live stream

Winnie (53:54):
yes like some

Adam (53:55):
twitch stream murder or something

Winnie (53:58):
but
that's also a radical component of the film because they're not trying to run away they're
not trying to hide or anything right like they are literally

Adam (54:04):
confessing

Winnie (54:05):
what they just did
on to like the entire country because they stand by it and

Adam (54:11):
they do want it to change they're not
just killing him they're killing him for a purpose

Winnie (54:15):
exactly try to

Adam (54:17):
affect some changes
when once that change doesn't happen then they try to push it further which

Winnie (54:22):
yeah again

Adam (54:23):
that's the
being tagged yes exactly also

Khilli (54:27):
like this is a good parallel with bhagat singh like how he got caught
so he uh he tried to kill like the general the the police officer they killed on the broad daylight
right so after that he was already wanted but he could go away anyway so that's when he did that
party decided to like attack the parliament when the parliament was on session but they

(54:48):
want didn't want to kill anyone because they are like
They're innocent.
I mean, not innocent, but they don't promote terror attack randomly.
Targeted killing is okay.
So what they did was they made this bomb, like smoke bomb, without any slinter.
And they throw their pamphlet up there with party manifesto and everything in the parliament.

(55:10):
And they did that so that...
when they would be tried in court,
they can talk about their motto,
their politics and everything.
And all the news reporters,
journalists will be there
and they can publish.
And that's how their manifesto
would go out in public.

(55:30):
So I think that's a good parallel
with what they did
with hijacking the radio station.

Nicky (55:42):
Yeah.
Karen takes over
the station
I think it was the one
that broadcast
and then
while they're like
Karen is the white woman
Karen

Adam (55:44):
is the other guy
Karan
I'm kidding
I'm

Khilli (55:47):
kidding
you have a friend
we have a friend

Adam (55:49):
that is

Khilli (55:50):
true
it

Winnie (55:51):
sounds great
Karan Kalan

Khilli (55:53):
it's the same name

Winnie (55:54):
it's the same name
but Thai is pronounced

Nicky (55:55):
it differently

Winnie (55:56):
yeah

Nicky (56:06):
correct
Yeah, so they broadcast the...
I'm keeping that part in.
That's a really important

Winnie (56:01):
part.
Go ahead.

Nicky (56:07):
So Karan, a broadcast of the defense minister's corruption, right?
And while that's happening, right, they managed to evacuate everyone from the radio station.
with guns and uh

Adam (56:19):
important part important

Nicky (56:20):
part because while that was happening right the the
indian uh military decides to raid the radio station and what do you think they have what
do you think happens they they just you know surrender themselves and everyone walks off
scot-free

Adam (56:34):
it becomes like munich and they just uh bunker down and and amir khan becomes like a hardened
It ban wilder becomes Rambo basically.

Khilli (56:45):
They wanted to actually surrender,
but they realized that the surrender is not a point because they had a,
uh,
shoot at site order.
I mean the before the scene before the army or the whatever armed force
arrives,
like they threw the guns on the beans.
that was like a scene you remember like they were like as soon as they decided they they they did

(57:05):
the broadcast that we killed him we killed him because he he's the he's guilty for my our friend's
death for me me crashed and then the song starts playing and they they put the gun in the trash
which was like i think i'm going to make an image of it
Yeah, so they did that.
So it's like, okay, we get rid of the arms.

(57:25):
We are done with the violence.
And then they're shot.

Winnie (57:29):
Well, I think they knew what their future held, right?
Like they all thought they were going to end up in jail or whatever.

Khilli (57:33):
And that's

Winnie (57:34):
why they accused their friend who's rich
of being able to get out of it.
And they knew that was their fate.
So I think they didn't want their actions to go into vain.
And that's why they were trying to make a statement
and urge people to wake up and see what's going on around them before they died.
Oh, that's a spoiler alert.
They died.

Khilli (57:55):
But the rich friend...
The

Winnie (57:57):
rich friend
could have gotten away

Khilli (57:59):
because he's a rich dad.
Right.
That

Winnie (58:01):
is the biggest twist in the movie.

Khilli (58:03):
The biggest twist?

Winnie (58:04):
I'd say that's one of the biggest statements.
It was the last thing to reveal.
Yeah, I was going to get into that.
So

Nicky (58:07):
we find out that Karan is...
He would have walked away because his father is like...
what do you call capitalist crony,
politician,
whatever.

Adam (58:18):
He just owns,
he's in this

Nicky (58:19):
military

Adam (58:20):
industrial complex
and he's making money off these airplanes.

Nicky (58:22):
So his father promised him
that he could walk away scot-free
if he could just name his friends
and, you know,
he'll get like a lighter sentence or something.
And then like,
you know,
you get this really emotional scene.
At first,
the first time we see this scene,
they like,
you didn't get to see how it ends,
but then when the group is getting gunned down by the military,

(58:43):
we find out that, like, he murders the dad.
Like, he fucking shoots him with a gun,
like, out, like, in cold blood.

Winnie (58:51):
Like, literally, they're going in for a hug,
and then he takes a gun out and shoots him in the stomach,

Adam (58:57):
which is so

Winnie (58:58):
radical for Indian families in general.

Adam (59:01):
Oh, yeah.
I mean, not just killing your dad, but...
uh i never it was the biggest surprise for me i never expected to see this in any movie to be
honest where like the the kid of like a rich guy realizes his dad is part of the problem
and shoots him

Winnie (59:18):
right instead of trying to like leverage it and take advantage of that

Adam (59:21):
yeah or even just feeling guilty he does take action what is

Khilli (59:25):
more rare son shooting the dad or
son and dad hugging each other

Winnie (59:33):
oh
gosh
every Asian person just
that was something

Nicky (59:39):
I craved
that childhood
I wish I could

Winnie (59:42):
I wish I could be that close to my dad

Adam (59:44):
as close as that guy is to shooting him
I wish I could be that close
but

Winnie (59:47):
now you guys know why our dad's never hugged you
he's always afraid you're gonna shoot him

Adam (59:52):
why is dad approaching me

Winnie (59:53):
he's gonna kill me

Nicky (59:55):
yeah uh so yeah they all get gunned down in the end i mean okay that didn't really happen but like
they get gunned down right and they manage to send out the message and like

Adam (01:00:05):
but what is the message
can we drill down on that for a

Khilli (01:00:08):
second adam you're the right person to do it none right

Adam (01:00:11):
none none
yeah i mean what what are the what what they hijack a radio station to say what
Like, I honestly

Khilli (01:00:19):
forget.
We will keep on doing, like, we joined the system to change the system from within.
Sorry.
That narrative.
You're right.

Adam (01:00:28):
Actually, it's worse than none.
Sorry, you're right.
So it's worse than, like, a pointless, stupid message.
What they say is, because the rich kid that killed his dad takes the mic and he's like,

(01:00:48):
hey...
you know,
we are self-aware youth
and we're coming to change the system,
but we're not going to do what I just did.
We're all just going to infiltrate
and become police officers
and become businessmen, I guess,
and enter into the government
and change it from the inside.
Even though they,
throughout the whole movie,
have learned that that doesn't work,
And that they learned that direct action is the only thing that really gets anything done.
They then just directly neuter themselves and tell everyone that is inspired by them to not do what they did and to just become liberal subjects in a republic and just try to change the system from the inside, which you cannot do because those institutions just exist everywhere.

(01:01:24):
with express purposes to like kill or exploit or whatever.
And so that was the disappointing part was their messages useless.

Khilli (01:01:33):
Wow, Adam.

Adam (01:01:34):
Am I wrong?

Khilli (01:01:35):
No, exactly.

Adam (01:01:37):
Really?

Khilli (01:01:37):
That's why I think, yeah, because...
Yeah, I mean, like, what the hell?
Like, you cannot change the system like that.

Adam (01:01:45):
You don't fix the police office by becoming a police officer.
You cannot.

Khilli (01:01:50):
No, not police system, yeah.

Adam (01:01:52):
Like, yeah, so like that, you cannot change the army by becoming a soldier.

Winnie (01:01:56):
Guys, you cannot forget that people make institutions.

Adam (01:01:59):
Correct.

Winnie (01:02:00):
So if you uphold the

Adam (01:02:01):
institutions, no matter what size you feel...

Winnie (01:02:21):
But for a film to be endorsed by Bollywood,
to receive such critical acclaim,
and to be able to pander to such a wide audience,
you need to find a centrist
ground to
portray that message.
And this movie does that.
And that's how it
received
so much critical acclaim.
Or else it would have been too radical to promote on such a mainstream media.

Khilli (01:02:40):
But there was one major...
Not major, but a very weird movement going on after this...
film came out which was like youth for equality which was kind of against the positive
like positive reservation system that we have against the for caste-based reservation

Winnie (01:03:03):
so
basically affirmative action against affirmative action

Khilli (01:03:07):
so what are happening was like this
reservation was being given to another layer of
oppressed not oppressed like other backward cast like it was a huge thing that was happening and
all the people all the politicians they could didn't let it happen and then like finally it
was happening 2005 2006 after we in the education system after which the the surge of private

(01:03:30):
education sector was up in india to get keep the education anyway so
That Youth for Equality movement, they used to have this kind of chats that, oh, let's kill this minister.
So even though the film didn't want to associate with certain things, but it kind of rang to people who comes from that problematic society.

(01:03:57):
segment of the

Winnie (01:03:58):
society and then

Khilli (01:03:59):
yeah so it kind of happened for a bit so yeah so it kind of
happened but yeah

Adam (01:04:06):
and then you can see with the current government of india everything got

Winnie (01:04:09):
solved

Adam (01:04:10):
it became super peaceful and it worked that the plan worked yeah yeah

Winnie (01:04:14):
You know, but I think this movie is very open to interpretation. It's subjective because the actions they take is very radical. They literally shoot someone who's in a position of power and then they say, join these institutions, right? But like, it's up to you to decide what you want to take from that. Maybe they cannot be as direct and bold with what they're trying to say, but their actions kind of show that.
So actually, yeah, the actions that they take in the movie and the final messages that they preach on the radio station is a little bit at odds with one another. And I think that is just to kind of

(01:04:42):
make it a
little bit more subjective for you to just decide and make it more relatable

Adam (01:04:47):
for a wider audience, I think.
So, Winnie, you're the only person that has this perspective.
And we're not going to give anything away, but you do work for larger institutions.
Is it possible to change it from the inside?
Absolutely not.
Okay.
Absolutely

Winnie (01:05:01):
not.
No, but my point is that when you start this kind of messaging, you need to make it relatable
to as wide of an audience as you can.
And in doing so, you have to be strategic about how you portray that.
And I think this movie does a wonderful job at that.
And that's why it is so acclaimed the way that it is.

Adam (01:05:18):
Sure.

Winnie (01:05:19):
okay

Adam (01:05:19):
no but thanks
if I were a

Khilli (01:05:20):
writer
I would not
make them say anything
like we just killed him
because he was
doing that
you take a decision
what you should do
right but then

Winnie (01:05:30):
but then you see
when you just have
that action alone
look at what's happening
with Luigi
he's literally facing
the death sentence
that does not bode well
you need to kind of
have a messaging
at the end that
kind of almost simmers down that action in a way

Adam (01:05:42):
to make it not you should not i'm

Winnie (01:05:45):
saying like for
it to be relatable

Adam (01:05:47):
well for it to be relatable for something

Khilli (01:05:51):
like i don't see them very politically
bunch of kids to be honest in the film

Winnie (01:05:56):
like they did

Khilli (01:05:57):
something huge because they were emotional
they they had their friends killed because of this uh corruption thing going on they took a very bold
decision they sacrifice their life for that cause and everything
but to change institution,
to talk about the whole politics as a whole,
they were not,
they were not informed enough.

Winnie (01:06:18):
Like they

Khilli (01:06:19):
were like very shallow.
And then,
I mean,
this one experience wouldn't change your knowledge.
It might change your perspective and make you inspired to do stuff,
study and change things.
But it didn't make you like very literate or very politically aware or very
like a,
I guess,
I mean,
a,
figurehead like you know like I don't think that would happen because like look at the revolution

(01:06:43):
in the parallel they were the the the filmmaker was drawing on they were heavily a literate like
politically literate people there was a study political literature and
They would plan, they would write manifesto for

Winnie (01:06:58):
the party,

Khilli (01:06:58):
they would do all these things.
And then they've committed violence and also chose when to not commit violence.
And these people were not that educated,

Adam (01:07:10):
for sure.
It brings up a good point.
I think if a white woman was in the past, I think those revolutionary leaders would have a holiday in their name.
Because they'd be a lot more powerful, a lot more knowledgeable

Nicky (01:07:21):
and effective.
Oh my god.
shall we review the movie yeah let's do that we're

Winnie (01:07:29):
introducing a new segment

Adam (01:07:32):
we may or may not continue please let us know in the comments how much you love
the system but you have to use our own rating system to judge this
segment we have a rating system based on five different things
Number one, the staircase movement did have a big surprise.
A dance floor clause was their dancing.

(01:07:55):
Three, family feud factor.
Four, regional spice.
And five, were there emotional extremes?
There's a bonus point for a broader moral message, but we're going to get into this
step by step.
So staircase moment.
Nikki, I think you touched on it.
What was yours?

Nicky (01:08:15):
The first one would be, you know,
Ajay dying, basically,
from the plane scandal.
But the bigger staircase moment for me
would be that they end up
killing the minister
and getting killed at the radio station.
It's just like, you know,
it just

Winnie (01:08:34):
takes you by

Nicky (01:08:34):
surprise.
That moment right there
took a left turn for me.
I was like, okay, I did not see that coming.
I guess you all agree, right?

Winnie (01:08:44):
I think my biggest staircase moment, though, was when he shot his dad.
I would not expect that from most Bollywood movies.
I feel like we're supposed to treat our parents like God.
That is definitely quite a statement in itself.

Adam (01:08:56):
That's pretty big.
Yeah.
I just like the killing the politician because if you blink, you will miss it.

Winnie (01:09:07):
super quick.
There wasn't

Adam (01:09:09):
really any buildup,
but if you had to go take a piss
or something, you would have missed that they just
bodied this politician on the
street. So yeah, that was my
staircase moment. Now, my big
issue with this movie, Dance Floor

Winnie (01:09:35):
Claws...

Adam (01:09:23):
Were there any musical numbers?

Nicky (01:09:25):
See, this is what I'm telling you.
We didn't talk about it because you know why?
Because I don't remember any of it.

Winnie (01:09:30):
Yeah, and this is so crazy because A.R. Raman
was the musical composer of this movie.

Khilli (01:09:36):
And all the songs were banger.
Yeah, and he's

Winnie (01:09:39):
like Indian Mozart.
He is

Khilli (01:09:41):
so

Nicky (01:09:41):
widely

Winnie (01:09:42):
acclaimed.

Nicky (01:09:42):
There were a couple, like, they were dancing at the heritage site again.
They were, like, jumping down the

Khilli (01:09:48):
waterfall.

Winnie (01:09:49):
There was, like, a scene like that.
And then the song Rang De Basanti itself.
Rang De Basanti

Khilli (01:09:52):
itself had some dance because they were going to, like, a fair.
And where there were, like, people in the traditional Sikh Punjabi, like, some cultural races.
And then they were dancing.
But it was not a massive dance number that Bollywood brings in where the main characters go and dance a lot

Winnie (01:10:12):
randomly.

Khilli (01:10:13):
That didn't happen.
But yeah, the music was a banger.
The music was super hit.
And a lot of the songs they didn't use in a whole...
in the film
they are in the
like a track
released separately
yeah
but yeah

Adam (01:10:29):
so F
F minus
dance

Khilli (01:10:32):
number
no not F minus
F

Adam (01:10:35):
F plus
two of the

Winnie (01:10:37):
songs
in this movie
received nominations
for like the best music
in Academy Awards
or something

Khilli (01:10:42):
neither of

Winnie (01:10:43):
them won
but like that's how
renowned it is
these songs were like
super hit

Khilli (01:10:47):
this was like
peak of Ehrman's
career, like, you know,
this film, songs were, like,
well-received by everyone
in the spectrum of music.
They should have had the white lady

Adam (01:10:59):
sing, and I think I would have remembered
it more. Like, if the white lady
was like, hey, you can sing too, and then, you know,
she's like, I don't know, I'm nervous, and then she
ends up, like, you know, dancing with, like,
With the garb.

Winnie (01:11:11):
Teardrops on my guitar.
I love the

Khilli (01:11:12):
song.

Winnie (01:11:13):
Yeah, it was like an Alayas Morissette

Adam (01:11:15):
cover.
That would have been nice.

Khilli (01:11:16):
I love the song when Ajay dies and the news comes to her mother.
That time the song was playing on the background.
And that song was like really emotional.
It was one of my favorite songs.
It's kind of a happy sad song.

Winnie (01:11:30):
like

Adam (01:11:30):
yeah

Khilli (01:11:31):
that song is really cool

Adam (01:11:33):
we

Khilli (01:11:33):
are not
scoring on

Adam (01:11:34):
songs
background songs

Khilli (01:11:36):
do not count
yeah we are not
scoring on songs
we are music number
we are not
scoring on music number
we are scoring on
dance numbers right

Winnie (01:11:43):
like both
and there's not even
a credit scene
everything goes in
hand
it's like song and dance
I think maybe
the songs in this movie
were more meaningful
maybe you have to
understand the lyrics
to get it
maybe it's not like
as upbeat and fun
like other Bollywood movies
where even people
who don't understand it
can just like vibe
to it because it's upbeat.

Adam (01:12:01):
He should have had an airplane song singing in the airplane
before he dies.
He should have had a shooting your dad's
protest song.

Winnie (01:12:09):
There's a million different things they
could

Adam (01:12:10):
have done.
They did have that one musical montage when they are
engaged. I remember that.

Khilli (01:12:15):
That's it. And it was boring.
And then he died.
If you are scoring a musical number,
I'll pretty much score it high.
But if it's a dance number, I will not score.

Adam (01:12:26):
I'm gonna repeat
this is a dance floor clause
yeah
was there at least
one memorable
musical number
you see like
I remember

Nicky (01:12:34):
all these things
that are happening
like when the dance
numbers come
I cannot for the life of me
remember how any
of the songs go man
I don't remember it
I just

Winnie (01:12:43):
I just cannot

Nicky (01:12:44):
I tried so hard
like
I mean, even like India Wale from Happy New Year is still in my head.

Adam (01:12:49):
Oh my god.
And you just got it in mine too.
But you know what you do remember, Nikki?
Family feud factor.

Nicky (01:12:55):
Yeah, there's a lot of that, right?

Winnie (01:12:57):
Name one.

Nicky (01:12:59):
The Muslim family.

Winnie (01:13:01):
That's a good one.
Okay, I was going to go for the shooting the dad one.
Too obvious.

Nicky (01:13:06):
Too obvious.

Winnie (01:13:07):
Yeah,

Nicky (01:13:08):
like, you know, I mean, they...
Muslims and Hindus they don't go get along and you know uh bad influence like you know that family
was like you know telling the the rest of the group like you don't know what you're getting him
into because like he gets hurt and like they're dragging him down with them and stuff like that
and you know uh

(01:13:30):
their religion is like different from theirs and they shouldn't be getting along there's like that
kind of conflict

Khilli (01:13:35):
but also they they kind of be brought up on a very important factor that kind of
more true in today's day so they were saying like oh we this country doesn't treat us well
that was their point of saying that you know like this country doesn't treat us well
don't meddle with these people because you will be in danger

Adam (01:13:55):
i was gonna ask you guys um
Yeah, which religion do you think is better?

Winnie (01:14:01):
In this current political context, Brave.
No, I'm

Adam (01:14:04):
kidding.
Next.

Winnie (01:14:07):
It was like

Khilli (01:14:08):
a quiet moment.
It's like an hysterical moment of the podcast.

Adam (01:14:12):
Everything

Khilli (01:14:13):
becomes so gloomy.

Adam (01:14:17):
Regional spice level.

Khilli (01:14:27):
Hmm.

Adam (01:14:20):
Did it feel culturally or regionally specific?
This was in Mumbai, right?

Khilli (01:14:25):
No, Delhi.
So, no, I like the Sikh culture it showed.
I like the...
Because, yeah, because Punjab is next to Delhi.
And, yeah.

Winnie (01:14:38):
Definitely culturally significant.
It goes into the history of some of the biggest
movements of the country.

Adam (01:14:43):
Did it feel like real college life?
Did it feel like real Hindi?
I feel like Kaylee's
the only guy that can answer this one.
I don't know what we would contribute

Khilli (01:14:55):
to that.
It had a flavor of real college vibe.

Adam (01:14:59):
Like,

Khilli (01:15:00):
definitely more than three idiots.
And I think as a white

Adam (01:15:03):
guy, I think the white lady acted like an appropriate white lady.
So I'm going to go five on the regional spice level.
She thought the yogurt was too spicy, and so I thought that was pretty

Winnie (01:15:12):
accurate.
And she cries, which is what white women do.
Yeah, and

Adam (01:15:14):
that's what white women do.
So I think it's pretty accurate.

Nicky (01:15:17):
I don't know if this counts for the category, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that for most Thai people, they're not aware of such movements.
So I think that worked for me, the revolution.
movement

Khilli (01:15:30):
yeah it worked for you for me like it gave

Nicky (01:15:33):
me some awareness exactly that way

Khilli (01:15:35):
yeah of
course just by watching it like yeah

Adam (01:15:37):
i

Nicky (01:15:38):
have a basic understanding but you'll get a basic
understanding just watching that that's true i

Adam (01:15:43):
didn't know any of this honestly going in
yeah uh last one emotional extremes yeah for

Winnie (01:15:49):
sure yeah
yeah america

Adam (01:15:52):
does very good eye work
like when he's like a young college,
not young,
he's like five years graduated,
but he's always like a 30 year old.
But when he,
but he does have like a playful,
you know,
like flirty vibe.
But at the end,
when he's like locked in the radio station,
his eyes are very good.
He has a good eye actor.
And like,

(01:16:12):
He looks like he hasn't slept.
He looks like he's all stressed out, like he's about to cry.
He does do well with emotional extremes,
and he carries that pretty well, I got to say.
It's believable when you see him looking like an action hero at the end
from being a college loser.

Winnie (01:16:31):
I

Adam (01:16:31):
like that.
I think the characters handled that pretty well.

Khilli (01:16:34):
Also, that scene where he was eating food and suddenly burst out
in tear because he was holding back
all the emotions for a long time
and then he comes back from the hospital
after when like
Ajay's mother is in coma and then
Su brings him food
and he starts eating and then he's like
totally quiet, not talking and then suddenly

(01:16:57):
while eating bursts out
in tears and it was a very good contrast with how he was eating in his mother's restaurant
and making faces while eating and stuff like that and then it was a good contrast of his journey that okay this

(01:17:17):
this youthful dude
who didn't give a flying
about anything.
The one time you don't swear.

Adam (01:17:25):
I was like,
why are you

Nicky (01:17:27):
censoring?
You brought that one time

Winnie (01:17:29):
and I was like, why?

Adam (01:17:30):
What now?

Winnie (01:17:34):
Alright, was there a

Adam (01:17:35):
broader
moral message?

Winnie (01:17:36):
Oh, absolutely right.

Adam (01:17:38):
It was called sell out,
be part of the system,
and things will

Winnie (01:17:42):
work out.

Khilli (01:17:46):
Yeah.

Adam (01:17:44):
What was the moral message?

Khilli (01:17:45):
Kill a politician and then ask other people to join the system.

Winnie (01:17:50):
Hold people accountable and then join those systems.

Khilli (01:17:53):
Great

Adam (01:17:54):
moral message.

Winnie (01:17:55):
We

Adam (01:17:56):
all have different

Khilli (01:17:56):
messages.
Yeah, it's good.
Yeah, it's open

Adam (01:17:59):
to interpretation.
So what do you think?

Winnie (01:18:13):
Overall...

Adam (01:18:05):
out of the movie
4 out of 5
they hit 4 out of the 5 points we

Khilli (01:18:09):
had
yeah so what was the score?

Adam (01:18:11):
I mean there's no dance

Winnie (01:18:13):
it's a 4 for me
I'd say it's a strong 4 for me
it's a strong 4
all right all

Speaker 7 (01:18:21):
in agreement
4 stairs

Khilli (01:18:22):
we give it 4

Speaker 7 (01:18:23):
stairs
we give it 4 stairs

Adam (01:18:27):
that only can break your arm

Nicky (01:18:29):
not a neck
Pretty safe.
If it was five, it was so good that we end up dying.
That's true.
The stairs aren't long enough for

Adam (01:18:40):
that.
So we will be back next week with minimal injuries.
The film next week is Dostana.
Which is a very exciting movie.
I'm excited to talk about it.
It's just in time for

Nicky (01:18:52):
Pride Month.
Pride Month in Bangkok.
Which is also a very significant moment this year.
Because it's the first time that they're hosting it.
When the marriage equality law comes into effect.
Yes.

Winnie (01:19:04):
Perfect timing.
Right.
Yeah.
Perfect.
Stay tuned.

Nicky (01:19:07):
Bye.
Bye.

(01:19:30):
Bye.

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