August 14, 2025 • 58 mins
Episode 2 – The Never List, Book Boyfriends, and Red Flag/Green Flag Chaos
We’re diving headfirst into The Never List (Kristina’s first “Why Choose” spicy read) and letting it lead us straight into the ultimate book boyfriend breakdown—red flags, green flags, and all the deliciously messy in-betweens. From Jade Presley’s swoon-worthy MMCs to the Sarah J. Maas-verse (yes, we’re talking Rhys, Rowan, Hunt, and even Tamlin’s tampon-level behavior), we’re spilling opinions, theories, and unfiltered fangirl energy.
Then, we put our fictional men to the test with a game of Red Flag / Green Flag—because what’s romance without a little toxicity? Expect spice talk, book recs, chaotic tangents, and plenty of laughs as we figure out exactly where our mental health stands today.
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Kristina (00:00):
Hello.
Hello everyone.
Welcome to episode two.
We are talking about, firstwe're gonna talk about the never
list a little bit, which willlead us into male main
characters.
So we're talking about guys, thedudes we love.
Yeah.
(00:20):
Or not, but the things that, youknow, red flags, green flags.
We love them.
Except for maybe there's oneperson on my list that I don't
love, but, or on our list.
But, and then we're gonna playred flag, green flag at the end,
which will be fun.
See where our mental healthstanding is at for the day.
You know?
Precisely.
(00:41):
Oh my goodness.
Alright.
Let's go to it.
The never List.
This was my first Why choosebook or reverse em.
I feel like I've never read abook where like, she doesn't
have to pick.
She gets'em all.
And I was like, whoa.
(01:02):
I think you're right.
Actually, I think same.
I don't think I could do it.
I, I know I couldn't.
I loved the book though.
It was a good book.
It was so spicy.
It definitely took me outta mycomfort zone, 1000000%.
Like just with books and things.
I was like, oh my.
But that was a good book.
It was so spicy.
I'd send like,'cause I, I readit on my Kindle before I got the
(01:25):
hardcover and I would takepictures of it and we were
visiting Mitch's in Ohio andwe'd all be in the living room
and I'd be reading it.
And I'd take a picture and sendit to him and like watch his
reaction.
Oh my gosh.
Across the, could he keep ittogether?
No, it was pretty great though.
(01:48):
This is, this was a good book.
Uh, the story was so good.
It had a really good story.
It wasn't just like her bangingfour dudes for the sake of
banging four dudes.
Which is totally cool if that'swhat you earn into, into, yeah.
But if you also like a storywith your spice, that's like
intertwined.
Done very well.
It was done very well.
Jade Presley did a great job,except for she definitely took a
page out of Rebecca Yaros wherelike the last two pages just
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shit hit the fan and you'relike, what the hell just
happened?
You didn't warn me about that.
I sent a very, I sent a stringof expletives to you.
Because Christina's always like,I won't read unfinished series,
dah, dah, dah.
So you recommended it and I waslike, oh, there's no way.
I didn't know.
Oh yeah, you didn't.
I had no idea a second.
(02:33):
You hadn't finished it yet.
Oh, I didn't know that.
A second one is coming out.
You got gas lit by yourself.
I did.
I didn't do research.
Red flag.
Christina.
Red flag.
Um, that's what happened.
D we read off of vibes.
We don't read like, like it, Idon't know.
(02:55):
Like I'm, we're like, I readlike some of the book Talk hype.
I get a lot of my books fromthere.
But like a lot of it's just likeon the TBR and it's like, yeah,
like a menu.
Like it's not like a to-do list,which I know people who like put
'em in order and they read'em inorder and they're like, that's
my list.
And, and I guess that's reallyhelpful for like getting things
done.
Oh, they just not work on vibes.
No.
That's a very disciplined personthat's.
(03:16):
Not me in any, I mean like Istarted like three or four books
within the past week.
Oh.
And have read like one to twochapters and I'm like, no, not
yet.
Yep.
I picked up the, I ended upreading, I'm in the fourth book
of inheritance games.
'cause I was like, you knowwhat, let me go back to them.
Zero Spice if case.
I didn't mention that before.
I think you did.
But yeah, zero Spice.
But again, they're children, sothat's good.
(03:38):
It's a good story.
Oh my gosh, so good.
I have it.
The first one, I just haven'tright yet.
It's really good.
But it is a, it's wor like thefirst three are intertwined
stories and then the fourth oneis like they, the boys go off
and it's their own stories withthe girl there.
But like not, it's more liketheir stuff, their point of view
when the first three books areabout this girl who inherits
(03:59):
like$42 billion from a guy shedoesn't know.
Oh yeah.
How do I sign me up?
Right.
She has to like solve all thesepuzzles and do all these things
to, oh, I'm not win the money.
Yeah, no.
Like the grandsons were raisedto do puzzle.
It was actually really cool.
Not that we're talking aboutthat book, but like on their
birthdays they had to picksomething to invest in, pick
something to cultivate withinthemselves and pick something to
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educate themselves on.
And then like they also, everySaturday had to do a puzzle or
like a scavenger hunt or likesome kind of, and this whole
like mansion was built aroundpuzzles and trap doors and it's
pretty cool.
Actually.
Have chills.
It was a good story.
I really did like it.
And I was like, that'd be socool if that was real.
That's really cool.
I feel like though, that's why Iprobably wouldn't make it on
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Survivor.
I can do all the physical stuff.
Oh yeah.
I could not do the puzzles.
No, I can't not eat for those.
That many days I would lose mycrap.
Like David in the last season, Iwas like, he's a bodybuilder who
like didn't have food and hestarted to lose his nonsense and
I was like, I, that'd be me.
So no one talked to me.
My pancreas would just not, I'dbe snapping at Jeff and he's
(05:03):
like, oh, Marita's behind.
I'd be like, listen, motherEffer, shut up.
Stop Jeff.
I would.
I'd snap on him.
Then I'd be like, I'm so sorry.
Can we hug it out?
I could do amazing Grace.
That'd be fun.
That's something I think me andyou could do.
That would be fun.
Should do together.
Men, sorry.
We got um, books.
(05:26):
Okay.
The Never List.
So there's th four dudes, notthree dudes.
Four, four Jacks, Axel, CalPierce.
You wanna bugged me that threeof them had three word names or
three letter names.
And then Pierce does not.
Oh, yeah.
Huh.
(05:46):
I don't know why, but it's like,why did you pick?
And some of them were likeelemental and some of them
weren't.
I was like, there's just norhyme or reason.
Mm-hmm.
But they were like theindividual parts of each man,
which was like put together.
They make a hole.
Yeah.
Which so spoiler.
Their moms were all goddessesand their dads were humans that
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had magic.
No, I don't think that the kingshad magic.
I think being with thegoddesses?
No, they do, because they allhad, was it not from the
goddesses?
Maybe.
Anyway, I can't remember.
Um, and so they had like puttogether that all of the songs.
(06:31):
I bet you can remember thedetails of the sex scene.
I don't know what you're talkingabout.
I can tell you what that bookwas about.
I dunno if it was about magicthough.
Well, they did have magic.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but okay, so the goddesses,they, they wanted all of their
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sons to pick one mate.
And it's meant to balance themall out because they're all very
different.
And like they each rule adifferent like district or
providence per se, country,whatever you wanna call it.
There, one would be thefavorite.
There's no way that you couldjust like love'em equally.
Any, um, I don't know, maybe,maybe like children, you gotta
(07:20):
ask her, but they like, likechildren match, they were so
consensual with their sexscenes, just aggressiveness and
their like red flags.
They all had red flags, but theywere just consensual about it.
Yeah.
(07:40):
I felt like even Jax, who wasthe red flags of them all, was
like, you gotta go.
Like, this is not, she was like,I got this well, and she wanted
to go last.
Mm-hmm.
So like.
Excuse me, Riley, right?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Riley.
Um, I started to second guessmyself.
(08:02):
She had to spend a month witheach of them in their like
district, and Jax was the onethat picked Riley that year from
their mate choosing party.
Their gala, their gala to pick amate.
Um, and he wanted to spend timewith her last, and he was more
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so the one that was going to bethe hardest for her to break
through, I think realistically.
Um, even though they connectedfirst.
Before she knew who he was andlike that banter and sarcasm.
I loved that.
That was cute.
At the beginning I did likethat.
Um, she couldn't help herself.
She was just supposed to get inand get out and find information
(08:45):
about her sister, and then shegets, and then she's like
flirting with some dude, butlike, in a way that puts him in
his place.
But, but she was so, like all ofthe districts just had such a
sour taste in their mouth aboutthese men and thinking that they
were basically like the deviland just like really shitty
(09:07):
people.
And they realistically weren't,they wanted change.
Their dads were just Yeah.
Douche bags.
Who, they had to keep that ideafrom them.
Exactly.
And like, they truly were reallysweet to her and like really did
protect, like I love that.
It was, but they did.
There was, I kept waiting forthe other shoe to drop and like,
nothing, it never did.
(09:28):
Spoiler on that one, but, butthen like throughout it, it does
at the last two pages.
Yeah.
The last, yeah.
Yeah.
So good luck with that.
It was a great book though.
Like it really was.
But then ri um, she, she endedup lying about who she was and
she was really worried that theywould find out.
(09:49):
And as the reader, you're likereading it and you're like, but
they're so sweet.
Like they're going tounderstand.
And they truly did justunderstand.
They're like, we knew who youwere.
We just wanted you to be the oneto tell us.
And they handled it so well.
I'm like, huh?
I love them.
I can't wait to see what thesecond book's about.
(10:10):
Oh, shit's gonna hit the fan inthat second book.
I forget.
Does that one, I don't know whenthat one comes out.
I got that date confused with, Ithink the fall, I think the fall
too with the brimstone one.
There's, I have like eight booksthat are coming out in the fall.
There's a few.
Um, yeah.
(10:30):
Do we have red flags about them?
I just love them all.
I mean, they like to wash.
It's like they, yeah, they hadsome red flags, but I feel like
they kind of absolved once RIcame into the picture.
Yeah.
And they stopped.
They were like, oh, she's theone.
Yeah.
But I mean, like they, no, theydidn't do it.
(10:50):
Like really There wasn'tanything.
Yeah.
All green flags across theboard.
They just kind of all make upone man, collect them like
Pokemon.
Gotta catch'em all.
Gotta get'em all.
I thought of like, um.
Like in Trivial Pursuit and yougotta get all the little pieces
(11:11):
to make your little pie that youwin.
You like.
That's exactly, that's Riley.
But with dudes, she's the winnerat Trivial.
Trivial Pursuit, romanticpursuit.
All right.
We we're gonna dive into Sarah JMass.
Of course.
(11:32):
So if you're not familiar withthe Sarah J Mass averse, we have
AAR Throne of Glass, and we haveCrescent City.
Crescent City, and we have somecourses.
All right, we are going to moveinto the massive verse.
(11:53):
Ugh.
I love Sarah J.
Mouse.
I do too.
I use the phrase alpha hole nowall the time with Jared.
I'm like, you're being an alphahole, and it makes him laugh.
He's like, where did you getthat?
I'm like, I'm just smart.
Just smart.
All that reading I do.
All right.
If you don't know the masterverse, we have a Horton Roses
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series thrown of Thorns andRoses series, A Throne of Glass
Series and Crescent City.
I know your favorite.
What's your favorite Tell?
Throne of Glass.
Tell everyone Say 1, 1, 2, 3.
Throne of glass.
Throne of glass.
My favorite series is A Court ofThorns and Roses until I think I
finish, until she finishesCrescent City.
(12:38):
And then I think Crescent Cityis going to be my favorite.
So like AAR brought me back toreading and it has such a
beautiful place in my heart.
Yeah.
But, and like Crescent City, thefirst book is probably my
favorite story ever.
But Thrown a glass is just likethe most beautiful story from
start to finish.
It's just amazing.
I think it's because it'sfinished, maybe.
And it was cool to watch herwriting evolve.
I liked, I really did enjoythat, that, yeah.
(13:00):
It made like the beginning whenit's hard to get into fantasy
books.
A little bit easier to start, Ithink.
Yeah, I agree.
That was, uh, yeah, this babywas every single person.
I'm like, you just have to makeit through halfway of a guitar
until she like, weirdly is like,I'm gonna go back and save him.
I remember reading that and Iwas like, you are dumb.
(13:21):
I said, whatcha gonna do?
What's that meme?
You're really dumb.
You're gonna go back through thewall to a dangerous land as this
frail little, IM mortal womangirl, and you're gonna go save a
Fay who has more powers thanyou?
Oh, make it make sense.
I, I was like.
And her sister's like, no, youshould do that for love.
And I was like, yeah, yoursister doesn't like you.
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I was like, what the fuck ishappening?
But then like all those gamesand trials and I was like, Ooh,
I like this.
But like, you wanna know whatirks me is like, I knew it was
love.
Like the answer was lovethroughout that, like the whole
riddle.
And I'm like, you really arereally dumb.
Shit.
Maybe I'm gonna pick two.
Because Tamlin and I we're twopeople.
(14:05):
Oh, okay.
Now I see why you went backthrough the hole in the wall.
Yeah.
Oh man.
The lady like the, thehousemaids, like don't drink any
of the fairy wine and don't makeany bargains.
And the two things she does withthat's Reese, which we love
Reese because even though he'slike, he like takes on that, you
know what, I'll be the bad guyto be the good guy.
(14:25):
Yeah.
Oh, I love it.
Right.
Like you, he little, you know,we love a good martyr.
We do.
Um, and he's also a consentking.
I love that.
He like the whole time when shewas there, it was like that you
can go, you don't have to,whatever.
Yeah.
Where Tamlin was not tampon.
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I love that.
Melting on me.
The internet calls him tampon.
I do think he deserves aredemption book.
Maybe There are so many theoriesout there that I have.
Like about him or just ingeneral?
Yeah.
Yeah.
(15:07):
That like maybe Lane and Lucianwill end up like running Spring
Court together.
That would be good.
I really don't think Tamlindeserve, I mean, call me a
bitch, but you know, he'll justsay the bad guy.
Yeah.
We all need a bad guy.
I mean, I guess it was amAmantha and the King of Heaven,
but that's fine.
But I mean, Tam Tamlin for my, Iwrote Gross Red Flag Gas Lighter
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Plus like gross.
That whole, this whole book.
Like she's like, I'm in love.
I was like, what's his favoritecolor?
Do, have you guys talked to eachother about anything?
What's his favorite food?
Go?
What's, does he know yoursbesides things you've hunted?
It was, it was, he just locksyou in a house and it got like,
it was really, this is like abook.
(15:52):
You're just, it got so muchbetter.
It really did.
Like it was a whole, but atfirst I was like, I don't know
what's going on here.
Yeah, no, I agree.
But he was gross.
He's gross.
Pretending to be a goldenretriever.
I'm a golden retriever.
He is not.
He is not.
I have a couple on my list thatare golden retrievers for sure,
but I feel like Reese is a greenflag dipped in shadows, just
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dipped in some shadows.
I do think he.
Um, Val v.
Valve Flag.
Flag from, oh wait, from Throneof Glass?
Yeah.
And Oh, yeah.
Oh, interesting.
That's a theory that I've seen.
(16:40):
Interesting.
Like, what are the odds thatMave and Tim both have Violet
eyes, you know?
Oh, that is interesting.
I've never thought about that.
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
And what do we think aboutRowan?
Oh, we love Rowan.
Yes.
Oh, I love him so much.
(17:01):
I love Reese though, too.
I don't like that he's a bird.
Like, I don't, like, I'm not afan of birds.
So like when you, I was like,same.
Can't you shift into somethinglike a little, like I get it.
Like a lion?
Yeah.
Or anything besides a hawk.
But that's, I mean, that's cool.
That's cool.
Was he an owl?
(17:22):
No, he was a hawk.
A hawk.
But Mm mm He was like thedefinition of brooding trauma.
Sure.
And an, and I love that hepunched her in the face when
they first met.
Like that's what she neededthough.
That's what Selena needed.
Yeah, she did.
But that's why they're perfectfor each other.
(17:44):
Yeah.
But so perfect.
It is.
He was, he was a, he's a lot tomanage, but I do love him.
She's a lot to manage.
I know.
I love it.
I love being too much.
I love it.
And especially'cause they fellin love and then he like was
healing through that.
So it was like he was willing tomove through it.
So that's a big green flag in myeyes.
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And they were mates and he, buthe did the friendship thing
first.
Yeah, he did The friend bond.
Love that.
I love friends to lovers.
But it was like enemies tofriends, to lovers.
Like boom, boom, boom.
They were such assholes to eachother.
Such assholes.
She was a bitter, violent littlething.
(18:27):
She was a a rightfully so.
Yeah.
But like that's a roughupbringing.
Just all of it.
But yeah.
And then the whole being madeinto an assassinate and then
like, everything's a lie and,you know.
Yeah.
Losing your parents.
It's rough.
And going through three, fourmen or three men before getting
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to Rowan, so Oh yeah.
Dorian, I love in the first bookhow it's like this competition
for, for, um, the best assassin.
Yeah.
And then it's just like thesetwo dudes are like, but which
one of us do you like more?
And she's like, trying to fightfor her freedom from assault
mine.
Like, and they're like, butwhich one of us do you like the
most?
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I didn't even include them in mylist.
I know we did it, we didn't, um,include Cassie and her.
No.
I like I a few cas.
Yeah.
Cassian Casserole.
Casserole.
We love Cass's a good one.
Um, we love Cassian.
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He's just like, he's a, he's ateddy bear.
Same with Asrael.
Well, he's not a teddy bear.
He's just like a, he's a littleboring to me.
Like I, and I feel bad sayingthat.
I think because we just haven't,like, we don't have a book for
him yet.
We don't have a story.
Yeah.
He's supposed to be mysterious,but he lives in the shadows.
(19:55):
Yeah.
Not my favorite.
I'll say it.
I'll be the one to say it.
Yeah.
Until we get the book.
Yeah.
Then maybe I'm texting you lateat night.
I'm gonna send you this clipback.
You like, remember this?
No Backsies people are allowedto have evolved opinions.
Just ask politicians.
(20:17):
Um, all right.
We, I know you love you somehunt.
Oh, I do love him too, Mr.
Alar, but he's not gonna end upwith Bryce.
I know it.
Sarah J Mass doesn't have thefirst man with the female main
character, so they're not gonnaend up together.
And, and when, um, was it the,the psychic or whoever they went
(20:40):
and saw and they, the oracle,the Oracle said to stay away
from Bryce?
Yeah.
Hmm hmm.
Or, and that like, she was gonnabasically be the downfall and
death of him, so they're notgonna end up together or he's
gonna die.
Oh, well that's a red flag.
(21:00):
I mean, sorry.
It's purse your bubble.
I like how like they're, they'respice like really built up.
Mm-hmm.
I don't, they didn't, theydidn't have sex in that first
book, did they?
No.
(21:20):
Nope.
And it was still one of myfavorite books.
So that goes to show how goodthat story was.
Yeah.
Freaking La Haba.
I sobbed.
Sobbed at that part.
I think I was, I had dropped youand Mitch off at the airport in
your car.
And then I was coming back withit and I was like driving,
listening to the audio book.
Like no, the Haba, I like havethat in my mind.
Like, you know, like if you asksomeone older and you're like,
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where were you when JFK gotshot?
They'll know like, where wereyou when the Haba gave her life
for her friends driving backfrom the airport northbound.
I know.
Were you gonna Montana then?
Maybe?
No.
Was the summer.
It was the summer.
You didn't have with the baby.
You didn't have the baby.
It was last summer.
(22:04):
So we had Jordan.
Yeah, that baby.
I mean you don't have that.
The other baby.
The baby, she's nuts.
Those babies.
She's a big girl.
She crossed her arms to me andtold me to go find some the
other day.
I was like, so first off you sayplease Dan Marita.
And two, I can't find it.
I'm so, she's so sassy.
I love it.
I don't use it on me.
Yeah, like practice thatsomewhere else.
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My love.
Do you wanna talk about the Lucyscore men?
Or do sorry.
I don't know if we just likejumped right out of the mass
averse or no?
Oh wait.
Sexy thunder, daddy for hunt.
I love the name hunt.
Like I do like that hunter.
Yeah.
(22:46):
You can hunt me.
Ooh, I didn't put say Lucyscore.
Okay.
I didn't put any of like the, inmy notes about like the zodiac
cat'cause like they are justlike red flags left and right
for a very long time.
But I do have some other things,like some of things that
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describe them in our, like ourgame leader.
But what gets me in ZodiacAcademy is like they're still
living, like living undergroundwith Tori and.
Why can't I think of in blue?
(23:28):
Like Darcy.
Oh, Darcy.
Yeah.
She's always called Blue.
Um, and they still think they'regonna be the ones on the throne.
Oh, I know, right?
Until like the last chapterbasically.
Like, what do you mean?
Like you're not, you're not incharge anymore.
That ship sailed when youdecided to go under the mountain
with them.
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Like the one time it was okay tobe under the mountain, Darius
burned off Tori's clothes.
That's a red flag.
Yeah.
Tried to kill her.
I mean, but like in his defense,he was raised to do that.
So, you know, sometimes it'slike nature verse our, it's a
little hard.
That is true.
Lionel was the devil.
He just like his character.
(24:09):
I hated reading those chapters.
Pissed me off so bad.
So can I just skip these?
Like, and I, I guess like that'swhat it's like the Baltimore
Yeah.
Like that is how, that's true.
I should be, but I didn't haveto read from Baltimore's point
of view.
That is true.
But I also think in HarryPotter, you wanna know who I
hated more than Voldemort?
(24:30):
That chick, that professor.
Oh, Umbridge.
Professor Umbridge.
I hated her more than Baltimore.
She was rough.
She sucked.
Yeah.
You gotta go bitch.
Gotta go.
What was that thing yesterday?
Drafted.
Drafted, drafted.
(24:51):
That was so funny.
Oh my goodness.
All right.
We got, we got Lucys score andthen we can Did you read
Maggie's moves on?
I know you didn't let, is thatthe fourth one or no, no, no.
Maggie moves on was a different,that was like a standalone of
hers.
No, um, that one and the rea, Ilove Lucy Scorebook and I did
not finish the fine print.
(25:11):
I'll tell you, I'm like, youdidn't finish the fine print.
I'm 90% in and like 90% done.
And I was like, I get the gist.
I had a hard time.
I love the book.
It was hilarious.
I've half of it highlighted, butlike.
I like Lucy score.
'cause these women are in theirthirties.
Like I don't relate to a23-year-old dating anymore.
And like Maggie moves on as likea girl who starts, no, she
doesn't start her life over.
She, she renovates homes anddoes it like, blew up on YouTube
(25:35):
and has like YouTube channel andgoes city to city.
And then I think I started toread that that's one where like
he's all in on her and she'slike, listen, I, I got my life.
I, I do big girl things.
I do big dog shit.
I can't stay here.
Big dog energy.
He is a green flag.
Like through and through.
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He's a golden retriever.
He's a good boy.
We like him.
We love Golden.
Yeah.
He does really sweet things forher.
He is the unicorn of the mmcs.
It sounds like every time I hearmmc I think of like a wrap or
something that like an mc.
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Yeah, let's get ready to rumble.
It's your migrating motorcomplex.
And I was learning about thatthe other day.
And then all I can think aboutis mailman character.
This is all we've been talkingabout.
Um, oh, we should have wentover, um, by a thread.
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I loved that, Lucy.
That was a good book.
That was such a good book.
He was a sweet one.
I mean he was, it was grumpysunshine, but, but that's like
one of those ones where no, itwas kind of grumpy.
Grumpy.
Like they were both, she waswonderful.
She was just going throughthings.
Yeah.
But they were like, just so meanto each other.
And you, you like learn.
You like, if you can takesomebody at their worst, you
can, you deserve them at theirbest wholeheartedly.
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But he did like the sweetestthings for her family and just
her, he was amazing.
I did love Knox from the thingsthat we got over.
He was great.
He's like, he was, he wasfabulous.
He makes me think of Jared.
He was great.
I feel like, yeah, those twocharacters definitely make me
think of you and.
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I love you guys though so much,but he is a grumpy to sunshine
kind of guy.
He's holding sunshine with you.
Sorry Jared.
Love you.
And to my kids.
And your kids obviously, but tomy people.
He's wonderful.
Then you never read the RI Thornseries?
I tried to get you to read it.
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You were not a fan of that one.
I loved that one.
That was the psychic.
I freaking was obsessed withthat book.
That's whole series.
It was hilarious.
She like lives in this.
She rents a room out of thislike big old house.
I read one to two chapters of itand like it's like heard a bunch
of like old people in this houseand like the guy across from her
dies and, but she's a psychicand can see things like can see.
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So she got like clips of that.
But then the privateinvestigator trying to
investigate the murder orsomething about him, I forget
what it was.
Oh, he was involved in nefariousactivities, but he, like, they
team up together.
He is like, let's, I don't knowif it was like they pretend to
date.
That was the one time I enjoyedthe pretend to date thing.
Just so he can like stake out inher apartment, the apartment
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across.
'cause the guy got murdered.
That's what it was.
And honestly, when I saw it onmy Kindle, it was right after
my, unfortunately my neighborwas found, passed away in his
home and I was like the dead guynext door.
And I was like, I should readthis book.
It was awful.
People like, they didn't know hehad passed away for a few weeks.
And I was like, oh my gosh.
And then I saw that on myKindle, like, you might like, I
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was like, ugh, I feel like it'skismet.
That's, that's what it is.
So, but it was h and it's likeone of those books, like it
doesn't change main characters.
It's always her for all fourbooks in the series, which like,
I haven't read with Lucy Scorebefore, but, and he, like, once
he realizes he loves her,there's four books in that
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series.
Yeah.
Wow.
And once he realizes he lovesher, he is like, okay, we're
moving in together, we're doingthis.
Like we gotta get a big tv.
Like you don't have it.
Like, and it's just so funny.
And there's this like, that's atypical male, crazy old lady
that lives in the house thatlike makes martinis at noon and
like wants to be part of the PIgang and like, yeah.
Gang, that reminds me of a showthat, I can't remember the name
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of it.
It's on Hulu with Selena Gomezmurderers in the building.
Oh, it's actually, it's a good,I started that but then didn't
follow through.
It's good.
Is it okay?
I'll watch it again.
We can't watch it around kids.
'cause there's, they just likeswear all the time, but it, like
everything else is fine in frontof kids.
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I was like, all right, can wejust not drop F bomb so I can
watch it around my to toddler?
No.
Okay, cool.
I don't feel like teaching herswear words.
All right, let's move on toZayden pure red flag.
He really is like, I love him,but whoa.
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I mean, I think we just all haveto love him.
Homeboy just lies a lot thewhole time.
I mean, like, because he thinksshe can't handle it or he is
protecting her.
Like, Hmm, don't tell me what Ican't handle.
Right?
Like, let me be the, the judgeof my like emotional barometer.
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I'm not a wallflower.
Like, have you met her mom?
You met her.
Like you don't Well, true.
But, but yeah.
Her mom says some things to her.
I think she can manage, and hersister, like they're both
badass, think Violet can handleyou.
And they're just like,relationship is weird.
Like the spice is there and likethe love is there.
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But, and the books are amazing,but they don't have like an
actual relationship.
They even say that in bookthree.
They're like, I'm just waitingfor book four to come out.
And she's not actually marriedto Zayden and she's married to
someone.
Like, no, she had to be marriedto him to take over Eryn door.
That's why he married.
Like that's, I know.
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But the way that the book ended.
Oh, he's just off.
He's gone.
He chose S Gale, right?
He picks s Gale over Violet.
I'm out.
No, no, no, no.
Because Rebecca Yaros that shewas like doing an interview or
something.
She even said, she's like,there's no story without Zaden.
Oh, well, yeah, he's comingback.
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But he just like, he's, he likehad to go do things.
God knows what, but, and thensomeone, someone's theory was
that his soul is actually in theemerald.
Huh?
Like a horror crux.
I mean that's a, yeah.
Realistically, I guess, I dunno.
I think she has something to dowith the cure for being for veon
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too.
Yeah.
That, that theory I go with.
Yeah.
I have a hard time with like alot of these theories, not
because I think they're likewrong or anything.
'cause I'm like, I just wannaknow, like I'm just like, I
cannot, my brain doesn't havethe capacity to, I don't, I
mean, I don't really read forthat capacity to begin with.
I read to be entertained.
Yeah.
Maybe learn some new moves inthe bedroom.
I don't know.
But I sent you, when I wasgetting tattooed, I was like, I
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must have sent you 15 RebeccaYaros theory.
Oh, I saw that.
Yeah.
I was like, what is her feedright now?
Literally that was all my feedand I was just like, oh, what
about this one?
I sent it to her.
Some of'em like, that makessense.
I like the world crossing onesfor Sarah J Mass when they're
like, I'm a big fan of thoseones.
That's why I like.
Crescent city and because whenAlan falls through the portals,
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like she sees the she, she seesre in F.
There was another one where thethrone of glass is technically
done.
Yeah.
So I really think Crescent Cityand AAR are going to, maybe she
does into AAR or something.
Love that.
Sarah G Mass is going to connectthem all.
I know that.
I just got chills.
I hope so.
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If she doesn't, I'm coming foryou.
Just kidding.
I love you, um, I didn't readlights out.
Oh.
Josh is a golden retriever withthe dark past, so his dad's a
serial killer.
I'm done with you in this.
His dad was, no, no.
Like, and his dad's in prison,but like, he's the son of the
Barbie of the Ken Doll killer orwhatever.
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So he is like super hot, butlike, so what he does is he does
like high tide, you know, he islike a tech guy, security guy.
Like they all are in those darkRomance books and he like, just
keeps ta like he works for, he'sa perfect for Stark.
Yeah.
But like, he, like, he's avegan, he doesn't eat meat'cause
of his dad, like, and thatstuff.
His dad killed some people andput'em in hamburgers, fed'em in
the neighborhood.
So, you know, but he is thesweetest thing.
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But he's got like red flags'cause he does, like, he
realizes this girl likes him, sohe like breaks into her house
and like films his like thirsttrap video in her room.
And that's a little like whoa.
And puts cameras in there andthat's a little whoa.
But he is like the sweetest guy.
Same with Rowan is the perfectgirl to be kidnapped.
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Rowan from Blackford and Butcheris like a green flag because he
kills pedophiles, but at thesame time, like there's red on
his green flag'cause of theblood from the killing of the
people.
But he finds his mate and sodoes, so does Josh and lights
out like it's, but it's not somerandom girly stocks
realistically.
And she realizes it's himimmediately and then tries to
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like play him from the otherside.
That's, and puts a tracker inhis bag and he drives through
the, he finds it and he drivesthrough the city spelling LOL
and then tosses the tracker outof his car.
But like she, I dig that, that'spretty funny.
She, because like he's some likesix four jack dude with tattoos
and it was this guy she wassleeping with like casually
roommate.
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And then you told that part.
She like screenshotted a picturefrom like his Instagram to the
guy she was, um, Tyler, I thinkhis name was.
And she's like, can we do this?
Like, can you put on a mat?
And he was like, no.
And shows his roommate and waslike, can you believe this girl
Ally's into this?
And so he was like, oh, I'll gotry my shot.
Granted, I mean like that's ared flag for her though.
'cause like granted she likejust hops in the car with this
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mass man, not a hundred percentsure who he is and gives them a
blowy.
And I'm like, whoa.
Oh, okay.
That's intimate.
But they like are perfect foreach other.
And the book's hilarious.
So not over that overshadows alot of it.
I'm more likely to read lightsout than the blackbird.
Yeah, they don't murder.
There's no murder that you readjust like his dad was a serial
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killer.
Yeah.
Butcher and blackbird's alittle.
I couldn't, I, she's like, I, Iknow you cut apart eyes and
string them together, but shelays them in a way that if they
were to look through'em, it'd bea map of where like other serial
killers have laid bodies to putthe, it's like she puts the
evidence to put these otherpeople away.
And I'm like, why wouldn't youjust tell the feds about it
though?
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I think that coffee kicked in.
I'm like so excited about thesebooks right now.
It's 275 milligrams of caffeine.
Holy Can Ounce.
I'm gonna not drink the otherhalf of them.
I'm not gonna drink those otherfour ounces.
But I really, they're just so, Ithink maybe it's like the same
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with the fantasy.
They're just so different thanthe life I live that you're
like, oh my gosh, am I like,like my regular vanilla life?
And then I'm like, oh, look atthese things, butcher and
Blackbird.
I just could not get into.
But I was also trying to listento it.
I think maybe I may try.
I'll just borrow your book andtry to read it.
We'll see.
But, and then you just skipthrough the gross parts.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Because you can't really, I feellike you can't really do that on
Audible.
You're gonna be skippingforever.
Yeah.
Plus 10 seconds.
Plus 10 seconds.
You're like, but wait, did Imiss something important?
I didn't read Flaw Flawlesseither.
That was one of those cowboybooks and like a Oh, it was
good.
But it was, he was, I mean, hepunches a man in the face for
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it.
I, I'm Green flag all day onthat one.
I agree.
'cause he was being mean.
Um, let any other mailman maincharacters that we missed, I'm
like, looking at my bookshelf.
Um, we have, let me think.
Oh, I loved, now I can't thinkof his fricking name from
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Fantasma.
Oh yeah.
His name was, um, oh the heck.
What was that name?
Blackstone?
Nope.
That's the girl.
Blackwell.
Was was a Blackwell.
Blackwell.
Blackwell.
Blackstone.
Blackstone.
That's girl.
Traeger.
Traeger.
Traeger.
He was sweet.
He was a good one.
But the second book in Contra,like way better.
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Honestly, I already has hispenis pierced in that book.
Mm.
Like Xavier and on ZodiacAcademy.
Forgot about that.
That was, that was just'cause hewas a Pegasus.
That's what they did.
They've bedazzled, but he had tostep it up a notch.
Like That's so funny.
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I think it's so funny.
That made, that's gotta be sopainful.
She made him a purple, a violetPegasus.
Oh my gosh.
But he was like the alphaPegasus.
Yeah, but he was like Violet.
Violet and glittery and fartingrainbows and rainbows.
I loved that.
That was awesome.
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I loved Zodiac Academy.
I love like yeah, when the, thelessers get the, I don't know.
Yeah.
Like they overcome.
But I started the Never Keepwhen I was Oh, with Lionel.
Oh my gosh, that was awful.
Um, I started the never, well, Iwas gonna say like, they don't
have their orders out.
No.
Like, but I stopped it.
But like, they don't have theirorders.
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And I was like, I wonder ifthey're gonna emerge as like,
strong orders, those girls, or Idon't even know if they were
girls or guys in the beginningor if they were gonna be, I
dunno.
I was like, I have no cluewhat's going on in this book.
I dunno if I'm, no.
But then they smart enough forit made a reference to like
Pegasus and like all thedifferent mm-hmm.
Like orders.
So I'm like, it's definitelyalong those lines.
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'cause it is technically it'sthe same world.
Yeah.
But I was like, I wonder ifthey're gonna be lessers or
like, and like triumph as lesserorders, you know?
Yeah.
I dunno.
I'm like, is this before orafter Lionel went back to crazy,
like, what's happening here?
Like we need a backstory here.
I feel like it's like theAssassins Blade thing where like
Book two explains.
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Book one or something?
Yeah.
Oh, man.
We are going to play a game.
Red flag, green flag.
We're gonna go back and forthand Yeah.
Red flag, green flag it tofigure out the red flags or a
green flag.
Even though we both have thethings.
I just wanna see, maybe some ofthese red flags are green flags
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in your opinion.
Who knows?
I mean, all these green flagsare green flags.
All these, I just starred theones that like my boyfriend does
on a regular basis.
I don't even feel like he's myboyfriend.
We've been together so long.
He's my consort.
I say husband whenever I'mtalking about you guys.
I'm like, well, he calls me hiswife and I'm like, excuse me.
You have not earned the right tocall me that yet.
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I love you, but like, where'sring Jared?
Yeah.
Jared, you have until the end of2025 and I'm coming for you.
It's been said here.
You heard it here first, but hedoes all these green flag
things, so he is a green flag,except for, all right, let's re
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Why don't we start with greenflags and then we'll just go
through red flags and see, allright.
They ask you if you've eatentoday.
That's a green flag, man.
Mitch makes me breakfast everysingle day.
Jared makes breakfast on theweekends when he is home from
work.
Oh, yeah.
He, yeah.
Respects your independence andhypes you up.
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He helps me all the time.
I was like, you can't date abadie if you're not willing to
entertain batty energy.
So you need to like, I lovethat.
Like you, you can't be like, ohmy gosh, she's so hot and looks
so good and whatever.
And then like, not be okay withme going to book club, looking
hot, going out in the world, orwherever the heck I go out with
my friends.
Or you gotta like be okay withit.
You gotta hype me up.
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Hype me up.
You gotta be my biggest fan.
'cause if not someone else isgonna be like, but he is, he is.
He loves that.
Mitch just lets me do what?
Yeah.
Like he, whatever.
He's like, I love you and Isupport you.
And he's like, do you need me tomake dinner tonight?
You're gone.
He's like, go do your thing.
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He like, tell me I look reallygood in my like gym shorts and
sports bra and it's always likearound the house, obviously I
don't fix them and they're likeriding up my booty and like all
the way up here.
I'm like, you know I'm not goingto the gym like this.
Right.
This is not, he's like, I know,but I love it.
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I'm like, thanks'cause it's justfor you can't help other people
looking at my hoo-ha.
Oh no, not the hoo-ha therapy.
He's in it willingly.
Green flag.
Green flag.
Which is not in therapy.
Well, I mean, I feel like if heneeded to be, he would.
Yeah.
Jared did his therapy and nowhe's very, he's healed.
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Yeah.
That's why I love number nine.
I put a little heart next to it.
Gentle in a world that made himhard only for his people though.
And Mitch is the same waythough.
We're just like talking aboutour guys on here.
That's all the green flags.
That's what I figured was gonnahappen.
I was like, there's no waypeople keep, like we, I have to
guess.
That's not a green flag.
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Slur, burn King.
Doesn't rush earns the tension.
I not a big fan of calling menKing.
Not my thing.
I love when Mitch calls me Queenthough.
I, he, Jared calls me his ladyand I like that.
My lady.
Oh, first lady.
Or he is like, where's my mar?
Well, he calls me Marietta as a,it's a long standing joke, but
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he's like, where's my Marietta?
That's cute.
Or great one.
Great one.
Oh, great one.
Yeah.
That's one great one great one.
You wanted to gimme a licenseplate That said great one.
That's cute, right?
I was like, I'll take it.
I'll take it.
Done.
Sold.
How about a ring first, Jared?
I don't know.
Great.
One license plate is prettygood.
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Don't, don't nevermind.
I'll take the ring.
I'll take like he went and triedthem on.
I went some.
He's be like, oh, all I have todo is no, he wants to ring, he
wants to wife me up.
Um, encourages you to stabsomeone only if necessary.
I don't think that's a greenflag.
I don't either.
That's not boyfriend material.
I would actually survive.
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I need you to calm me down whenI'm little phase hyped up
wanting to stab tires.
'cause someone cut me off intraffic at a red light.
Not that i'll, it just goeslike, I need you to calm the
intrusive thoughts down.
Yeah.
Not hype those up.
Yeah.
Metro not.
No, no.
Um, buys period snacks withoutasking.
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So Mitch literally did that.
Literally did that today.
Um, just, just for all the guysout there.
Luteal phase is way worse thanwhen women are actually
bleeding.
FYII am way worse in my lutealphase than I am when I'm
actually bleeding.
Um, he, he came home with rosesand Reese's for me this morning.
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It was like, because you're innew luteal face because you are
crazy.
Yeah.
I brought offering, offering.
It's like you give snacks to thebear so it doesn't eat, you just
feed it and throw flowers at it.
Oh my gosh, I gotta tell youthis.
So I was cutting up the flour,cutting the ends off to put them
in the vase, and Jay was like,flowers and candy.
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And I was like, yeah, daddabrought mama flowers and candy.
And I had a whole full blownconversation with her and I was
like, if boys don't justrandomly bring you flowers and
candy.
I was like, you say bye.
She's like, bye.
It was so cute.
Buy it.
I can buy my some flowers, but Ilove it when my man does it
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instead.
I do too.
Even though we have the samebank account, but I'm like, they
sell them at Home Depot for afreaking reason.
I laughed so hard the first timeI saw that I was like, oh,
there's like no excuse you.
Like I bought everywhere,$900 intools, but I got you flowers and
you would get away with it.
Like it wouldn't even be, notthat like it's something to get
away with.
Let's go over some red flags.
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Since we just talked about howamazing our men are, basically
ladies, if your men are not likeour men, find a new one.
Alright, we'll go back and forthif you think it's a red flag or
not.
Um, I kill people for a living.
That's like the like dangerflag, but like, like red flag to
the max.
But what people, we have thisconversation about Butcher and
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Blackburn.
I understand these people arelike pedophiles and they are
well deserved.
I don't want know about, shesays that in the book.
She's like, this man's a serialkiller.
What am I doing?
Like hanging out with him.
They first meet, she's also aserial killer.
She's also a data analysisanalyst or whatever.
I didn't get that far to figureit out.
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It's not really mentioned manytimes.
I think like once.
Alright, so we'll say, we'll go,I'll agree with you.
Red flag, brooding silence for75% of the book.
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna, I'mnot gonna say automatic red
flag.
I feel like maybe he's justalone in his thoughts or he
doesn't have anything to say.
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Like maybe he's listening to hertalk for 75% of the book.
Maybe you gotta shut up.
Maybe he'll pipe in green flag.
Maybe green flag only soft withher and rude with everyone else.
I said we go back and forth andI'm just like reading them now.
That's okay.
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I loki think that, that, I don'tthink it's like necessarily a
green flag, but I don't thinkit's a red flag because Mitch, I
love you so much.
He can be very, very blunt withother people and I feel like
sometimes his opinions like rubpeople the wrong way at times.
But he's just so honest.
Like, and Mitch is like, it's,he's like, I'm not being a dick
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if it's the truth.
And I'm like, I.
Yes, but there's a way, likethere's a thing about your tone.
There's a way to go about it.
He's like, you're thinking it.
I'm like, yes, but let's rainreign it in.
Um, refuse to say I love youuntil near death.
Red flag.
I, fun fact, Mitch and I bothwanted to say, I love you when
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we first started dating and helike had it in his head.
He's like, I'm waiting for likethe perfect time.
And like we were sitting on hiscouch and I was like, if you
don't say it right now, I'mgoing to say it.
I was like, I am done holding inthese feelings when we both feel
it.
If you're refusing to say it.
That's funny.
He's like, I love you.
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Like just to beat me to it.
That's really funny.
We um, I'm also the one thatkissed Mitch first because he
was so nervous and after Ikissed him, his heartbeat was
literally going like a mileminute.
Aw.
Because he was so nervous.
And it was like our third orfourth date.
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That's cute.
It was so sweet just giving youguys all of me and Mitch's.
I like texted Jared.
I was like, dude, I like loveyou so you need to get on board.
That's why I'm like, he's likeKnox.
'cause he is like, I don't wanta relationship.
I'm like, that's funny.
'cause I do.
So we have a problem here.
We're gonna need to change youropinion, not mine.
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Which is like a serious redflag.
Like some days I'm like, whatthe heck?
But least he wasn't stringing mealong.
That's what I think at thebeginning.
Yeah.
He was very honest and it wasjust me that was like, no, I'm
gonna play defense on this.
I got this defense.
I'm gonna get a hold of thisball and I'm gonna take control
of this game.
Take hold of his balls.
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Let me steer this over here.
I tell, I was like, dude,joystick.
I like, love you.
That's what I texted him.
That is really funny.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Owns a secret lair Basement.
Dungeon.
That's a red flag.
That's a red flag for sure.
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And what if he called it amancave?
But why is it a secret?
Like, am I, if I find about, ifyou don't like, tell if you Oh,
sure.
Lie by omission about thissecret layer, basement dungeon.
True.
But yeah.
Like what's, what's going on inthis secret layer?
Dungeon basement trauma's sodeep.
(49:55):
It could be a cave system, Ithink.
I mean, it's not a red flag.
You just need to be like takingcare of your stuff.
Mental health matters.
Men's mental health matters.
What if his trauma's so deep?
It can be a cave system, buthe's willing to go to therapy.
Then he is a whatever color redand green are, when we mix them,
he's a Christmas tree.
Christmas tree.
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You then like, you have to belike, okay, you're probably not
gonna respond to things the wayI would hope in the beginning.
And you're gonna have to workthrough your shit.
So you have to make sure ifyou're gonna like green flag,
something like that, that youcan also be very patient with
their, that's true.
Response life.
I feel like it was, that was meand Mitch was the patient one.
He's like, we need to, because Icame from a family that our
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communication was yelling andFBOs.
Yeah.
That was Jared's family.
And ours was like, nobody talkedabout things.
So we didn't really Yeah.
Communicate very well at first.
'cause I wasn't taught how so wewould just like yell at each
other.
Exactly.
I was like, Ooh, that can't beokay.
And Mitch's like came from agreat stable, home.
Stable.
It's great.
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I have the best inlaws, FYI.
Jared's parents are amazing,they're phenomenal, but it was
just like we were they loud?
Yeah.
It was just different than, andwe were not loud yellers.
Um, which we were loud Italians.
Hence why Marina talks so loud.
Um, won't communicate.
Just broods and punches walls.
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Goodbye.
That's a red flag for sure.
Goodbye.
Yeah.
I was the one who didn'tcommunicate and I would like
leave.
And at one point, Mitch is like,when we get into fights, like.
You're not leaving, you'rewalking off like, he's like, go
into the bathroom and close thedoor.
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Wow.
He is healthy.
Yes.
He's, we were actually justtalking about it the other day.
We're like, we,'cause in hisBible study he's like, it's
really hard because me and youdon't have any issues at all.
Just talk things out.
That's like j Jared and I justtalk things out.
It's pretty, it's really nice tobe in a healthy relationship.
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Like, look at us.
The model of, I know beautifulbehavior for our children.
Enemies still lovers, but heactually tried to kill her once.
Hmm.
Like was he taught that he wassupposed to from when he was a
baby, that he needed to kill herto maintain his seat on the
throne.
Oh, you talking about Darius?
Any of them.
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And then they end up beingmaids.
That's a, that's a red flag.
Star crossed and, oh, I loveDarius, but that is a red flag.
I don't think I can forgivesomebody who tried to kill me.
That's a hard one twice.
Oh yeah.
That's hard.
Well, I guess the first time wasnot twice, but with the burning
the clothes off.
I love that.
She just like flaunts it andjust like, here I am.
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Yeah.
Bare naked booty and all buttcheeks and all.
You belong to me, you said withintensity and not consent.
That's agreed.
I like that.
Yeah.
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Guess like gatekeep gun in hisnightstand?
I think not, we're not gonnagaslight, we're not gaslighting
your gatekeeping.
No, I thought gatekeeping waslike, oh, you have like cute lip
gloss.
Where'd you get it?
And you're like, I'm not tellingyou because I wanna be cuter
than you.
So I don't know what, like, menare gatekeeping how to like, how
to change the propane, but Idon't know.
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Yeah, no gaslighting we're notdoing that.
Although it is a, a green flagto have a gun in your
nightstand.
Oh yeah.
I'm, we're, we're all for thesecond amendment over here.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm, we, um, reallydon't have a choice here in the
state of Florida.
Well, yeah, everyone's allowedto, so you might as well be, um,
we have a.
Like it's a safe that'sliterally drilled into the side
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of the nightstand that has likea, a code.
That's nice.
Um, because obviously like wehave a toddler who has access to
anything and so everything,everything, yeah.
So if you are a Second Amendmentperson, please do it wisely and
safely with children.
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It's like one of my biggestfears.
Yeah.
Um, we'd risk it anyways.
Walking red flags that we'dstill marry.
Yeah.
Although we're basicallymarried.
I'm married.
You're basically married.
So you're married.
The first one.
I don't know where it's allblacks emotionally unavailable,
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but calls you baby once andruins your life.
Hmm.
Right.
That's like in a book.
Yes.
I'm all for it.
In a book, not in real life.
No.
Ex assassin turns off protector.
Who still keeps a knife in hisboot.
Yeah, it's a, it's a scaryworld.
We need a knife in our boot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I have a knife in my car.
I'm more concerned about likegators and coyotes here in
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Florida, to be honest, I carry aknife when I walk and that's my
bigger concern.
I don't really wanna have toshoot a gator, so I'm just more
concerned about my dogs.
But fun fact, Marita calls meone day, she goes, Christina,
can I call the fire department?
There's a snake in my house.
I'm like, no, it's not a romancebook.
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It's like, what about animalcontrol?
That one.
Okay.
Oh yeah.
It was too panicked to under tothink what to do.
Uh, my thought was to shoot itand I was like, mm, I don't
know.
Maybe that might be extra.
It's also in the same closet asthe gun.
So it has the firearm at thispoint.
It has, it will shoot back.
Uh, rough hand, sad eyes, and avoice that sounds like whiskey
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and regret.
Yes.
All the things.
I mean, not regret for likehanging out with me, but Yes.
Yes.
He lies to protect you, butmeans it when he says he loves
you.
Mm.
Bye.
Mm-hmm.
Boy, bye.
I'm out.
Says I'm no good for you, Satan.
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Right?
Basically.
Oh yeah.
That's like, yeah.
That is him.
That's Sadan Says, I'm no goodfor you Right.
Before making you breakfastshirtless.
Oh.
See, I hate, I hate like backand forth like that.
If you're no good for me, thendo better.
Exactly.
Or go away.
Yeah.
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Don't selfishly stay here.
My, yeah.
You can't have your cake and eatit too.
My eggs all hot.
Eating my eggs and making'emtoo, or whatever.
Yeah.
Which makes my breakfast.
Short, listen.
That's great.
Jared will make my breakfast andhe will like put my little plate
or bowl on the scale and likemeasure and weigh out my food
and like it like, and I'll layon the, like with my coffee, I'm
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like, I need a hundred grams ofthis.
I need a hundred gram, like 30gram.
Like, it's like, okay, thanks.
We'll burn the world down foryou, but won't touch you without
permission.
Yes, yes.
All the, yes.
There's nothing negative aboutany of that.
Yes.
Has a kill list.
You're not on it.
It's romantic.
Hmm.
Is he following through with thekill list or is it just like a
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hypothetical one?
I think that that either way,that sounds, the kill list
sounds crazy.
Yep.
That's post office fives.
Nope.
Sorry.
If you're a post office workerand you, I don't mean that
offensively, but that's, thatsounds very like postal
communicates with grunts untilchapter 26 then delivers a
(57:35):
monologue that makes you sob.
Yeah, sure.
Sure, sure.
Eh, yeah.
You needed a minute to get ittogether.
I get it.
You gotta think through thosethoughts.
He's cruel to everyone else, butgentle with her.
We're in, I mean, cruel may be alittle strong actually.
Like, I don't want you to like,is he like kicking puppies?
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Like what kind of cruel are wetalking Slashing tires.
Has a tragic backstory.
So layered.
It's basically notion there.
Rowan.
I love it.
Rowan from Throne of Glass.
Yeah.
I love it.
And Josh from Lights Out.
Love it.
Love it.
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This was a long one.
All right, so because we lovethe men, thanks for listening.
I know we do love our guys.
Next, next week's podcast, weare going to talk about female
main characters, book besties.
Yeah.
The girls that we love and allof their toxic traits.
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You have a fabulously unhingedFriday.
Yeah.
Love y'all.
Thanks for joining in.
Hello.
Hello everyone.
Welcome to episode two.
We are talking about, firstwe're gonna talk about the never
list a little bit, which willlead us into male main
characters.
So we're talking about guys, thedudes we love.
Yeah.
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Or not, but the things that, youknow, red flags, green flags.
We love them.
Except for maybe there's oneperson on my list that I don't
love, but, or on our list.
But, and then we're gonna playred flag, green flag at the end,
which will be fun.
See where our mental healthstanding is at for the day.
You know?
Precisely.
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Oh my goodness.
Alright.
Let's go to it.
The never List.
This was my first Why choosebook or reverse em.
I feel like I've never read abook where like, she doesn't
have to pick.
She gets'em all.
And I was like, whoa.
(01:02):
I think you're right.
Actually, I think same.
I don't think I could do it.
I, I know I couldn't.
I loved the book though.
It was a good book.
It was so spicy.
It definitely took me outta mycomfort zone, 1000000%.
Like just with books and things.
I was like, oh my.
But that was a good book.
It was so spicy.
I'd send like,'cause I, I readit on my Kindle before I got the
(01:25):
hardcover and I would takepictures of it and we were
visiting Mitch's in Ohio andwe'd all be in the living room
and I'd be reading it.
And I'd take a picture and sendit to him and like watch his
reaction.
Oh my gosh.
Across the, could he keep ittogether?
No, it was pretty great though.
(01:48):
This is, this was a good book.
Uh, the story was so good.
It had a really good story.
It wasn't just like her bangingfour dudes for the sake of
banging four dudes.
Which is totally cool if that'swhat you earn into, into, yeah.
But if you also like a storywith your spice, that's like
intertwined.
Done very well.
It was done very well.
Jade Presley did a great job,except for she definitely took a
page out of Rebecca Yaros wherelike the last two pages just
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shit hit the fan and you'relike, what the hell just
happened?
You didn't warn me about that.
I sent a very, I sent a stringof expletives to you.
Because Christina's always like,I won't read unfinished series,
dah, dah, dah.
So you recommended it and I waslike, oh, there's no way.
I didn't know.
Oh yeah, you didn't.
I had no idea a second.
(02:33):
You hadn't finished it yet.
Oh, I didn't know that.
A second one is coming out.
You got gas lit by yourself.
I did.
I didn't do research.
Red flag.
Christina.
Red flag.
Um, that's what happened.
D we read off of vibes.
We don't read like, like it, Idon't know.
(02:55):
Like I'm, we're like, I readlike some of the book Talk hype.
I get a lot of my books fromthere.
But like a lot of it's just likeon the TBR and it's like, yeah,
like a menu.
Like it's not like a to-do list,which I know people who like put
'em in order and they read'em inorder and they're like, that's
my list.
And, and I guess that's reallyhelpful for like getting things
done.
Oh, they just not work on vibes.
No.
That's a very disciplined personthat's.
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Not me in any, I mean like Istarted like three or four books
within the past week.
Oh.
And have read like one to twochapters and I'm like, no, not
yet.
Yep.
I picked up the, I ended upreading, I'm in the fourth book
of inheritance games.
'cause I was like, you knowwhat, let me go back to them.
Zero Spice if case.
I didn't mention that before.
I think you did.
But yeah, zero Spice.
But again, they're children, sothat's good.
(03:38):
It's a good story.
Oh my gosh, so good.
I have it.
The first one, I just haven'tright yet.
It's really good.
But it is a, it's wor like thefirst three are intertwined
stories and then the fourth oneis like they, the boys go off
and it's their own stories withthe girl there.
But like not, it's more liketheir stuff, their point of view
when the first three books areabout this girl who inherits
(03:59):
like$42 billion from a guy shedoesn't know.
Oh yeah.
How do I sign me up?
Right.
She has to like solve all thesepuzzles and do all these things
to, oh, I'm not win the money.
Yeah, no.
Like the grandsons were raisedto do puzzle.
It was actually really cool.
Not that we're talking aboutthat book, but like on their
birthdays they had to picksomething to invest in, pick
something to cultivate withinthemselves and pick something to
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educate themselves on.
And then like they also, everySaturday had to do a puzzle or
like a scavenger hunt or likesome kind of, and this whole
like mansion was built aroundpuzzles and trap doors and it's
pretty cool.
Actually.
Have chills.
It was a good story.
I really did like it.
And I was like, that'd be socool if that was real.
That's really cool.
I feel like though, that's why Iprobably wouldn't make it on
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Survivor.
I can do all the physical stuff.
Oh yeah.
I could not do the puzzles.
No, I can't not eat for those.
That many days I would lose mycrap.
Like David in the last season, Iwas like, he's a bodybuilder who
like didn't have food and hestarted to lose his nonsense and
I was like, I, that'd be me.
So no one talked to me.
My pancreas would just not, I'dbe snapping at Jeff and he's
(05:03):
like, oh, Marita's behind.
I'd be like, listen, motherEffer, shut up.
Stop Jeff.
I would.
I'd snap on him.
Then I'd be like, I'm so sorry.
Can we hug it out?
I could do amazing Grace.
That'd be fun.
That's something I think me andyou could do.
That would be fun.
Should do together.
Men, sorry.
We got um, books.
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Okay.
The Never List.
So there's th four dudes, notthree dudes.
Four, four Jacks, Axel, CalPierce.
You wanna bugged me that threeof them had three word names or
three letter names.
And then Pierce does not.
Oh, yeah.
Huh.
(05:46):
I don't know why, but it's like,why did you pick?
And some of them were likeelemental and some of them
weren't.
I was like, there's just norhyme or reason.
Mm-hmm.
But they were like theindividual parts of each man,
which was like put together.
They make a hole.
Yeah.
Which so spoiler.
Their moms were all goddessesand their dads were humans that
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had magic.
No, I don't think that the kingshad magic.
I think being with thegoddesses?
No, they do, because they allhad, was it not from the
goddesses?
Maybe.
Anyway, I can't remember.
Um, and so they had like puttogether that all of the songs.
(06:31):
I bet you can remember thedetails of the sex scene.
I don't know what you're talkingabout.
I can tell you what that bookwas about.
I dunno if it was about magicthough.
Well, they did have magic.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but okay, so the goddesses,they, they wanted all of their
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sons to pick one mate.
And it's meant to balance themall out because they're all very
different.
And like they each rule adifferent like district or
providence per se, country,whatever you wanna call it.
There, one would be thefavorite.
There's no way that you couldjust like love'em equally.
Any, um, I don't know, maybe,maybe like children, you gotta
(07:20):
ask her, but they like, likechildren match, they were so
consensual with their sexscenes, just aggressiveness and
their like red flags.
They all had red flags, but theywere just consensual about it.
Yeah.
(07:40):
I felt like even Jax, who wasthe red flags of them all, was
like, you gotta go.
Like, this is not, she was like,I got this well, and she wanted
to go last.
Mm-hmm.
So like.
Excuse me, Riley, right?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Riley.
Um, I started to second guessmyself.
(08:02):
She had to spend a month witheach of them in their like
district, and Jax was the onethat picked Riley that year from
their mate choosing party.
Their gala, their gala to pick amate.
Um, and he wanted to spend timewith her last, and he was more
(08:24):
so the one that was going to bethe hardest for her to break
through, I think realistically.
Um, even though they connectedfirst.
Before she knew who he was andlike that banter and sarcasm.
I loved that.
That was cute.
At the beginning I did likethat.
Um, she couldn't help herself.
She was just supposed to get inand get out and find information
(08:45):
about her sister, and then shegets, and then she's like
flirting with some dude, butlike, in a way that puts him in
his place.
But, but she was so, like all ofthe districts just had such a
sour taste in their mouth aboutthese men and thinking that they
were basically like the deviland just like really shitty
(09:07):
people.
And they realistically weren't,they wanted change.
Their dads were just Yeah.
Douche bags.
Who, they had to keep that ideafrom them.
Exactly.
And like, they truly were reallysweet to her and like really did
protect, like I love that.
It was, but they did.
There was, I kept waiting forthe other shoe to drop and like,
nothing, it never did.
(09:28):
Spoiler on that one, but, butthen like throughout it, it does
at the last two pages.
Yeah.
The last, yeah.
Yeah.
So good luck with that.
It was a great book though.
Like it really was.
But then ri um, she, she endedup lying about who she was and
she was really worried that theywould find out.
(09:49):
And as the reader, you're likereading it and you're like, but
they're so sweet.
Like they're going tounderstand.
And they truly did justunderstand.
They're like, we knew who youwere.
We just wanted you to be the oneto tell us.
And they handled it so well.
I'm like, huh?
I love them.
I can't wait to see what thesecond book's about.
(10:10):
Oh, shit's gonna hit the fan inthat second book.
I forget.
Does that one, I don't know whenthat one comes out.
I got that date confused with, Ithink the fall, I think the fall
too with the brimstone one.
There's, I have like eight booksthat are coming out in the fall.
There's a few.
Um, yeah.
(10:30):
Do we have red flags about them?
I just love them all.
I mean, they like to wash.
It's like they, yeah, they hadsome red flags, but I feel like
they kind of absolved once RIcame into the picture.
Yeah.
And they stopped.
They were like, oh, she's theone.
Yeah.
But I mean, like they, no, theydidn't do it.
(10:50):
Like really There wasn'tanything.
Yeah.
All green flags across theboard.
They just kind of all make upone man, collect them like
Pokemon.
Gotta catch'em all.
Gotta get'em all.
I thought of like, um.
Like in Trivial Pursuit and yougotta get all the little pieces
(11:11):
to make your little pie that youwin.
You like.
That's exactly, that's Riley.
But with dudes, she's the winnerat Trivial.
Trivial Pursuit, romanticpursuit.
All right.
We we're gonna dive into Sarah JMass.
Of course.
(11:32):
So if you're not familiar withthe Sarah J Mass averse, we have
AAR Throne of Glass, and we haveCrescent City.
Crescent City, and we have somecourses.
All right, we are going to moveinto the massive verse.
(11:53):
Ugh.
I love Sarah J.
Mouse.
I do too.
I use the phrase alpha hole nowall the time with Jared.
I'm like, you're being an alphahole, and it makes him laugh.
He's like, where did you getthat?
I'm like, I'm just smart.
Just smart.
All that reading I do.
All right.
If you don't know the masterverse, we have a Horton Roses
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series thrown of Thorns andRoses series, A Throne of Glass
Series and Crescent City.
I know your favorite.
What's your favorite Tell?
Throne of Glass.
Tell everyone Say 1, 1, 2, 3.
Throne of glass.
Throne of glass.
My favorite series is A Court ofThorns and Roses until I think I
finish, until she finishesCrescent City.
(12:38):
And then I think Crescent Cityis going to be my favorite.
So like AAR brought me back toreading and it has such a
beautiful place in my heart.
Yeah.
But, and like Crescent City, thefirst book is probably my
favorite story ever.
But Thrown a glass is just likethe most beautiful story from
start to finish.
It's just amazing.
I think it's because it'sfinished, maybe.
And it was cool to watch herwriting evolve.
I liked, I really did enjoythat, that, yeah.
(13:00):
It made like the beginning whenit's hard to get into fantasy
books.
A little bit easier to start, Ithink.
Yeah, I agree.
That was, uh, yeah, this babywas every single person.
I'm like, you just have to makeit through halfway of a guitar
until she like, weirdly is like,I'm gonna go back and save him.
I remember reading that and Iwas like, you are dumb.
(13:21):
I said, whatcha gonna do?
What's that meme?
You're really dumb.
You're gonna go back through thewall to a dangerous land as this
frail little, IM mortal womangirl, and you're gonna go save a
Fay who has more powers thanyou?
Oh, make it make sense.
I, I was like.
And her sister's like, no, youshould do that for love.
And I was like, yeah, yoursister doesn't like you.
(13:43):
I was like, what the fuck ishappening?
But then like all those gamesand trials and I was like, Ooh,
I like this.
But like, you wanna know whatirks me is like, I knew it was
love.
Like the answer was lovethroughout that, like the whole
riddle.
And I'm like, you really arereally dumb.
Shit.
Maybe I'm gonna pick two.
Because Tamlin and I we're twopeople.
(14:05):
Oh, okay.
Now I see why you went backthrough the hole in the wall.
Yeah.
Oh man.
The lady like the, thehousemaids, like don't drink any
of the fairy wine and don't makeany bargains.
And the two things she does withthat's Reese, which we love
Reese because even though he'slike, he like takes on that, you
know what, I'll be the bad guyto be the good guy.
(14:25):
Yeah.
Oh, I love it.
Right.
Like you, he little, you know,we love a good martyr.
We do.
Um, and he's also a consentking.
I love that.
He like the whole time when shewas there, it was like that you
can go, you don't have to,whatever.
Yeah.
Where Tamlin was not tampon.
(14:46):
I love that.
Melting on me.
The internet calls him tampon.
I do think he deserves aredemption book.
Maybe There are so many theoriesout there that I have.
Like about him or just ingeneral?
Yeah.
Yeah.
(15:07):
That like maybe Lane and Lucianwill end up like running Spring
Court together.
That would be good.
I really don't think Tamlindeserve, I mean, call me a
bitch, but you know, he'll justsay the bad guy.
Yeah.
We all need a bad guy.
I mean, I guess it was amAmantha and the King of Heaven,
but that's fine.
But I mean, Tam Tamlin for my, Iwrote Gross Red Flag Gas Lighter
(15:32):
Plus like gross.
That whole, this whole book.
Like she's like, I'm in love.
I was like, what's his favoritecolor?
Do, have you guys talked to eachother about anything?
What's his favorite food?
Go?
What's, does he know yoursbesides things you've hunted?
It was, it was, he just locksyou in a house and it got like,
it was really, this is like abook.
(15:52):
You're just, it got so muchbetter.
It really did.
Like it was a whole, but atfirst I was like, I don't know
what's going on here.
Yeah, no, I agree.
But he was gross.
He's gross.
Pretending to be a goldenretriever.
I'm a golden retriever.
He is not.
He is not.
I have a couple on my list thatare golden retrievers for sure,
but I feel like Reese is a greenflag dipped in shadows, just
(16:20):
dipped in some shadows.
I do think he.
Um, Val v.
Valve Flag.
Flag from, oh wait, from Throneof Glass?
Yeah.
And Oh, yeah.
Oh, interesting.
That's a theory that I've seen.
(16:40):
Interesting.
Like, what are the odds thatMave and Tim both have Violet
eyes, you know?
Oh, that is interesting.
I've never thought about that.
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
And what do we think aboutRowan?
Oh, we love Rowan.
Yes.
Oh, I love him so much.
(17:01):
I love Reese though, too.
I don't like that he's a bird.
Like, I don't, like, I'm not afan of birds.
So like when you, I was like,same.
Can't you shift into somethinglike a little, like I get it.
Like a lion?
Yeah.
Or anything besides a hawk.
But that's, I mean, that's cool.
That's cool.
Was he an owl?
(17:22):
No, he was a hawk.
A hawk.
But Mm mm He was like thedefinition of brooding trauma.
Sure.
And an, and I love that hepunched her in the face when
they first met.
Like that's what she neededthough.
That's what Selena needed.
Yeah, she did.
But that's why they're perfectfor each other.
(17:44):
Yeah.
But so perfect.
It is.
He was, he was a, he's a lot tomanage, but I do love him.
She's a lot to manage.
I know.
I love it.
I love being too much.
I love it.
And especially'cause they fellin love and then he like was
healing through that.
So it was like he was willing tomove through it.
So that's a big green flag in myeyes.
(18:04):
And they were mates and he, buthe did the friendship thing
first.
Yeah, he did The friend bond.
Love that.
I love friends to lovers.
But it was like enemies tofriends, to lovers.
Like boom, boom, boom.
They were such assholes to eachother.
Such assholes.
She was a bitter, violent littlething.
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She was a a rightfully so.
Yeah.
But like that's a roughupbringing.
Just all of it.
But yeah.
And then the whole being madeinto an assassinate and then
like, everything's a lie and,you know.
Yeah.
Losing your parents.
It's rough.
And going through three, fourmen or three men before getting
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to Rowan, so Oh yeah.
Dorian, I love in the first bookhow it's like this competition
for, for, um, the best assassin.
Yeah.
And then it's just like thesetwo dudes are like, but which
one of us do you like more?
And she's like, trying to fightfor her freedom from assault
mine.
Like, and they're like, butwhich one of us do you like the
most?
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I didn't even include them in mylist.
I know we did it, we didn't, um,include Cassie and her.
No.
I like I a few cas.
Yeah.
Cassian Casserole.
Casserole.
We love Cass's a good one.
Um, we love Cassian.
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He's just like, he's a, he's ateddy bear.
Same with Asrael.
Well, he's not a teddy bear.
He's just like a, he's a littleboring to me.
Like I, and I feel bad sayingthat.
I think because we just haven't,like, we don't have a book for
him yet.
We don't have a story.
Yeah.
He's supposed to be mysterious,but he lives in the shadows.
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Yeah.
Not my favorite.
I'll say it.
I'll be the one to say it.
Yeah.
Until we get the book.
Yeah.
Then maybe I'm texting you lateat night.
I'm gonna send you this clipback.
You like, remember this?
No Backsies people are allowedto have evolved opinions.
Just ask politicians.
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Um, all right.
We, I know you love you somehunt.
Oh, I do love him too, Mr.
Alar, but he's not gonna end upwith Bryce.
I know it.
Sarah J Mass doesn't have thefirst man with the female main
character, so they're not gonnaend up together.
And, and when, um, was it the,the psychic or whoever they went
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and saw and they, the oracle,the Oracle said to stay away
from Bryce?
Yeah.
Hmm hmm.
Or, and that like, she was gonnabasically be the downfall and
death of him, so they're notgonna end up together or he's
gonna die.
Oh, well that's a red flag.
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I mean, sorry.
It's purse your bubble.
I like how like they're, they'respice like really built up.
Mm-hmm.
I don't, they didn't, theydidn't have sex in that first
book, did they?
No.
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Nope.
And it was still one of myfavorite books.
So that goes to show how goodthat story was.
Yeah.
Freaking La Haba.
I sobbed.
Sobbed at that part.
I think I was, I had dropped youand Mitch off at the airport in
your car.
And then I was coming back withit and I was like driving,
listening to the audio book.
Like no, the Haba, I like havethat in my mind.
Like, you know, like if you asksomeone older and you're like,
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where were you when JFK gotshot?
They'll know like, where wereyou when the Haba gave her life
for her friends driving backfrom the airport northbound.
I know.
Were you gonna Montana then?
Maybe?
No.
Was the summer.
It was the summer.
You didn't have with the baby.
You didn't have the baby.
It was last summer.
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So we had Jordan.
Yeah, that baby.
I mean you don't have that.
The other baby.
The baby, she's nuts.
Those babies.
She's a big girl.
She crossed her arms to me andtold me to go find some the
other day.
I was like, so first off you sayplease Dan Marita.
And two, I can't find it.
I'm so, she's so sassy.
I love it.
I don't use it on me.
Yeah, like practice thatsomewhere else.
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My love.
Do you wanna talk about the Lucyscore men?
Or do sorry.
I don't know if we just likejumped right out of the mass
averse or no?
Oh wait.
Sexy thunder, daddy for hunt.
I love the name hunt.
Like I do like that hunter.
Yeah.
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You can hunt me.
Ooh, I didn't put say Lucyscore.
Okay.
I didn't put any of like the, inmy notes about like the zodiac
cat'cause like they are justlike red flags left and right
for a very long time.
But I do have some other things,like some of things that
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describe them in our, like ourgame leader.
But what gets me in ZodiacAcademy is like they're still
living, like living undergroundwith Tori and.
Why can't I think of in blue?
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Like Darcy.
Oh, Darcy.
Yeah.
She's always called Blue.
Um, and they still think they'regonna be the ones on the throne.
Oh, I know, right?
Until like the last chapterbasically.
Like, what do you mean?
Like you're not, you're not incharge anymore.
That ship sailed when youdecided to go under the mountain
with them.
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Like the one time it was okay tobe under the mountain, Darius
burned off Tori's clothes.
That's a red flag.
Yeah.
Tried to kill her.
I mean, but like in his defense,he was raised to do that.
So, you know, sometimes it'slike nature verse our, it's a
little hard.
That is true.
Lionel was the devil.
He just like his character.
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I hated reading those chapters.
Pissed me off so bad.
So can I just skip these?
Like, and I, I guess like that'swhat it's like the Baltimore
Yeah.
Like that is how, that's true.
I should be, but I didn't haveto read from Baltimore's point
of view.
That is true.
But I also think in HarryPotter, you wanna know who I
hated more than Voldemort?
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That chick, that professor.
Oh, Umbridge.
Professor Umbridge.
I hated her more than Baltimore.
She was rough.
She sucked.
Yeah.
You gotta go bitch.
Gotta go.
What was that thing yesterday?
Drafted.
Drafted, drafted.
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That was so funny.
Oh my goodness.
All right.
We got, we got Lucys score andthen we can Did you read
Maggie's moves on?
I know you didn't let, is thatthe fourth one or no, no, no.
Maggie moves on was a different,that was like a standalone of
hers.
No, um, that one and the rea, Ilove Lucy Scorebook and I did
not finish the fine print.
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I'll tell you, I'm like, youdidn't finish the fine print.
I'm 90% in and like 90% done.
And I was like, I get the gist.
I had a hard time.
I love the book.
It was hilarious.
I've half of it highlighted, butlike.
I like Lucy score.
'cause these women are in theirthirties.
Like I don't relate to a23-year-old dating anymore.
And like Maggie moves on as likea girl who starts, no, she
doesn't start her life over.
She, she renovates homes anddoes it like, blew up on YouTube
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and has like YouTube channel andgoes city to city.
And then I think I started toread that that's one where like
he's all in on her and she'slike, listen, I, I got my life.
I, I do big girl things.
I do big dog shit.
I can't stay here.
Big dog energy.
He is a green flag.
Like through and through.
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He's a golden retriever.
He's a good boy.
We like him.
We love Golden.
Yeah.
He does really sweet things forher.
He is the unicorn of the mmcs.
It sounds like every time I hearmmc I think of like a wrap or
something that like an mc.
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Yeah, let's get ready to rumble.
It's your migrating motorcomplex.
And I was learning about thatthe other day.
And then all I can think aboutis mailman character.
This is all we've been talkingabout.
Um, oh, we should have wentover, um, by a thread.
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I loved that, Lucy.
That was a good book.
That was such a good book.
He was a sweet one.
I mean he was, it was grumpysunshine, but, but that's like
one of those ones where no, itwas kind of grumpy.
Grumpy.
Like they were both, she waswonderful.
She was just going throughthings.
Yeah.
But they were like, just so meanto each other.
And you, you like learn.
You like, if you can takesomebody at their worst, you
can, you deserve them at theirbest wholeheartedly.
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But he did like the sweetestthings for her family and just
her, he was amazing.
I did love Knox from the thingsthat we got over.
He was great.
He's like, he was, he wasfabulous.
He makes me think of Jared.
He was great.
I feel like, yeah, those twocharacters definitely make me
think of you and.
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I love you guys though so much,but he is a grumpy to sunshine
kind of guy.
He's holding sunshine with you.
Sorry Jared.
Love you.
And to my kids.
And your kids obviously, but tomy people.
He's wonderful.
Then you never read the RI Thornseries?
I tried to get you to read it.
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You were not a fan of that one.
I loved that one.
That was the psychic.
I freaking was obsessed withthat book.
That's whole series.
It was hilarious.
She like lives in this.
She rents a room out of thislike big old house.
I read one to two chapters of itand like it's like heard a bunch
of like old people in this houseand like the guy across from her
dies and, but she's a psychicand can see things like can see.
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So she got like clips of that.
But then the privateinvestigator trying to
investigate the murder orsomething about him, I forget
what it was.
Oh, he was involved in nefariousactivities, but he, like, they
team up together.
He is like, let's, I don't knowif it was like they pretend to
date.
That was the one time I enjoyedthe pretend to date thing.
Just so he can like stake out inher apartment, the apartment
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across.
'cause the guy got murdered.
That's what it was.
And honestly, when I saw it onmy Kindle, it was right after
my, unfortunately my neighborwas found, passed away in his
home and I was like the dead guynext door.
And I was like, I should readthis book.
It was awful.
People like, they didn't know hehad passed away for a few weeks.
And I was like, oh my gosh.
And then I saw that on myKindle, like, you might like, I
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was like, ugh, I feel like it'skismet.
That's, that's what it is.
So, but it was h and it's likeone of those books, like it
doesn't change main characters.
It's always her for all fourbooks in the series, which like,
I haven't read with Lucy Scorebefore, but, and he, like, once
he realizes he loves her,there's four books in that
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series.
Yeah.
Wow.
And once he realizes he lovesher, he is like, okay, we're
moving in together, we're doingthis.
Like we gotta get a big tv.
Like you don't have it.
Like, and it's just so funny.
And there's this like, that's atypical male, crazy old lady
that lives in the house thatlike makes martinis at noon and
like wants to be part of the PIgang and like, yeah.
Gang, that reminds me of a showthat, I can't remember the name
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of it.
It's on Hulu with Selena Gomezmurderers in the building.
Oh, it's actually, it's a good,I started that but then didn't
follow through.
It's good.
Is it okay?
I'll watch it again.
We can't watch it around kids.
'cause there's, they just likeswear all the time, but it, like
everything else is fine in frontof kids.
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I was like, all right, can wejust not drop F bomb so I can
watch it around my to toddler?
No.
Okay, cool.
I don't feel like teaching herswear words.
All right, let's move on toZayden pure red flag.
He really is like, I love him,but whoa.
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I mean, I think we just all haveto love him.
Homeboy just lies a lot thewhole time.
I mean, like, because he thinksshe can't handle it or he is
protecting her.
Like, Hmm, don't tell me what Ican't handle.
Right?
Like, let me be the, the judgeof my like emotional barometer.
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I'm not a wallflower.
Like, have you met her mom?
You met her.
Like you don't Well, true.
But, but yeah.
Her mom says some things to her.
I think she can manage, and hersister, like they're both
badass, think Violet can handleyou.
And they're just like,relationship is weird.
Like the spice is there and likethe love is there.
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But, and the books are amazing,but they don't have like an
actual relationship.
They even say that in bookthree.
They're like, I'm just waitingfor book four to come out.
And she's not actually marriedto Zayden and she's married to
someone.
Like, no, she had to be marriedto him to take over Eryn door.
That's why he married.
Like that's, I know.
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But the way that the book ended.
Oh, he's just off.
He's gone.
He chose S Gale, right?
He picks s Gale over Violet.
I'm out.
No, no, no, no.
Because Rebecca Yaros that shewas like doing an interview or
something.
She even said, she's like,there's no story without Zaden.
Oh, well, yeah, he's comingback.
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But he just like, he's, he likehad to go do things.
God knows what, but, and thensomeone, someone's theory was
that his soul is actually in theemerald.
Huh?
Like a horror crux.
I mean that's a, yeah.
Realistically, I guess, I dunno.
I think she has something to dowith the cure for being for veon
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too.
Yeah.
That, that theory I go with.
Yeah.
I have a hard time with like alot of these theories, not
because I think they're likewrong or anything.
'cause I'm like, I just wannaknow, like I'm just like, I
cannot, my brain doesn't havethe capacity to, I don't, I
mean, I don't really read forthat capacity to begin with.
I read to be entertained.
Yeah.
Maybe learn some new moves inthe bedroom.
I don't know.
But I sent you, when I wasgetting tattooed, I was like, I
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must have sent you 15 RebeccaYaros theory.
Oh, I saw that.
Yeah.
I was like, what is her feedright now?
Literally that was all my feedand I was just like, oh, what
about this one?
I sent it to her.
Some of'em like, that makessense.
I like the world crossing onesfor Sarah J Mass when they're
like, I'm a big fan of thoseones.
That's why I like.
Crescent city and because whenAlan falls through the portals,
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like she sees the she, she seesre in F.
There was another one where thethrone of glass is technically
done.
Yeah.
So I really think Crescent Cityand AAR are going to, maybe she
does into AAR or something.
Love that.
Sarah G Mass is going to connectthem all.
I know that.
I just got chills.
I hope so.
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If she doesn't, I'm coming foryou.
Just kidding.
I love you, um, I didn't readlights out.
Oh.
Josh is a golden retriever withthe dark past, so his dad's a
serial killer.
I'm done with you in this.
His dad was, no, no.
Like, and his dad's in prison,but like, he's the son of the
Barbie of the Ken Doll killer orwhatever.
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So he is like super hot, butlike, so what he does is he does
like high tide, you know, he islike a tech guy, security guy.
Like they all are in those darkRomance books and he like, just
keeps ta like he works for, he'sa perfect for Stark.
Yeah.
But like, he, like, he's avegan, he doesn't eat meat'cause
of his dad, like, and thatstuff.
His dad killed some people andput'em in hamburgers, fed'em in
the neighborhood.
So, you know, but he is thesweetest thing.
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But he's got like red flags'cause he does, like, he
realizes this girl likes him, sohe like breaks into her house
and like films his like thirsttrap video in her room.
And that's a little like whoa.
And puts cameras in there andthat's a little whoa.
But he is like the sweetest guy.
Same with Rowan is the perfectgirl to be kidnapped.
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Rowan from Blackford and Butcheris like a green flag because he
kills pedophiles, but at thesame time, like there's red on
his green flag'cause of theblood from the killing of the
people.
But he finds his mate and sodoes, so does Josh and lights
out like it's, but it's not somerandom girly stocks
realistically.
And she realizes it's himimmediately and then tries to
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like play him from the otherside.
That's, and puts a tracker inhis bag and he drives through
the, he finds it and he drivesthrough the city spelling LOL
and then tosses the tracker outof his car.
But like she, I dig that, that'spretty funny.
She, because like he's some likesix four jack dude with tattoos
and it was this guy she wassleeping with like casually
roommate.
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And then you told that part.
She like screenshotted a picturefrom like his Instagram to the
guy she was, um, Tyler, I thinkhis name was.
And she's like, can we do this?
Like, can you put on a mat?
And he was like, no.
And shows his roommate and waslike, can you believe this girl
Ally's into this?
And so he was like, oh, I'll gotry my shot.
Granted, I mean like that's ared flag for her though.
'cause like granted she likejust hops in the car with this
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mass man, not a hundred percentsure who he is and gives them a
blowy.
And I'm like, whoa.
Oh, okay.
That's intimate.
But they like are perfect foreach other.
And the book's hilarious.
So not over that overshadows alot of it.
I'm more likely to read lightsout than the blackbird.
Yeah, they don't murder.
There's no murder that you readjust like his dad was a serial
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killer.
Yeah.
Butcher and blackbird's alittle.
I couldn't, I, she's like, I, Iknow you cut apart eyes and
string them together, but shelays them in a way that if they
were to look through'em, it'd bea map of where like other serial
killers have laid bodies to putthe, it's like she puts the
evidence to put these otherpeople away.
And I'm like, why wouldn't youjust tell the feds about it
though?
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I think that coffee kicked in.
I'm like so excited about thesebooks right now.
It's 275 milligrams of caffeine.
Holy Can Ounce.
I'm gonna not drink the otherhalf of them.
I'm not gonna drink those otherfour ounces.
But I really, they're just so, Ithink maybe it's like the same
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with the fantasy.
They're just so different thanthe life I live that you're
like, oh my gosh, am I like,like my regular vanilla life?
And then I'm like, oh, look atthese things, butcher and
Blackbird.
I just could not get into.
But I was also trying to listento it.
I think maybe I may try.
I'll just borrow your book andtry to read it.
We'll see.
But, and then you just skipthrough the gross parts.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Because you can't really, I feellike you can't really do that on
Audible.
You're gonna be skippingforever.
Yeah.
Plus 10 seconds.
Plus 10 seconds.
You're like, but wait, did Imiss something important?
I didn't read Flaw Flawlesseither.
That was one of those cowboybooks and like a Oh, it was
good.
But it was, he was, I mean, hepunches a man in the face for
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it.
I, I'm Green flag all day onthat one.
I agree.
'cause he was being mean.
Um, let any other mailman maincharacters that we missed, I'm
like, looking at my bookshelf.
Um, we have, let me think.
Oh, I loved, now I can't thinkof his fricking name from
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Fantasma.
Oh yeah.
His name was, um, oh the heck.
What was that name?
Blackstone?
Nope.
That's the girl.
Blackwell.
Was was a Blackwell.
Blackwell.
Blackwell.
Blackstone.
Blackstone.
That's girl.
Traeger.
Traeger.
Traeger.
He was sweet.
He was a good one.
But the second book in Contra,like way better.
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Honestly, I already has hispenis pierced in that book.
Mm.
Like Xavier and on ZodiacAcademy.
Forgot about that.
That was, that was just'cause hewas a Pegasus.
That's what they did.
They've bedazzled, but he had tostep it up a notch.
Like That's so funny.
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I think it's so funny.
That made, that's gotta be sopainful.
She made him a purple, a violetPegasus.
Oh my gosh.
But he was like the alphaPegasus.
Yeah, but he was like Violet.
Violet and glittery and fartingrainbows and rainbows.
I loved that.
That was awesome.
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I loved Zodiac Academy.
I love like yeah, when the, thelessers get the, I don't know.
Yeah.
Like they overcome.
But I started the Never Keepwhen I was Oh, with Lionel.
Oh my gosh, that was awful.
Um, I started the never, well, Iwas gonna say like, they don't
have their orders out.
No.
Like, but I stopped it.
But like, they don't have theirorders.
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And I was like, I wonder ifthey're gonna emerge as like,
strong orders, those girls, or Idon't even know if they were
girls or guys in the beginningor if they were gonna be, I
dunno.
I was like, I have no cluewhat's going on in this book.
I dunno if I'm, no.
But then they smart enough forit made a reference to like
Pegasus and like all thedifferent mm-hmm.
Like orders.
So I'm like, it's definitelyalong those lines.
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'cause it is technically it'sthe same world.
Yeah.
But I was like, I wonder ifthey're gonna be lessers or
like, and like triumph as lesserorders, you know?
Yeah.
I dunno.
I'm like, is this before orafter Lionel went back to crazy,
like, what's happening here?
Like we need a backstory here.
I feel like it's like theAssassins Blade thing where like
Book two explains.
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Book one or something?
Yeah.
Oh, man.
We are going to play a game.
Red flag, green flag.
We're gonna go back and forthand Yeah.
Red flag, green flag it tofigure out the red flags or a
green flag.
Even though we both have thethings.
I just wanna see, maybe some ofthese red flags are green flags
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in your opinion.
Who knows?
I mean, all these green flagsare green flags.
All these, I just starred theones that like my boyfriend does
on a regular basis.
I don't even feel like he's myboyfriend.
We've been together so long.
He's my consort.
I say husband whenever I'mtalking about you guys.
I'm like, well, he calls me hiswife and I'm like, excuse me.
You have not earned the right tocall me that yet.
(40:15):
I love you, but like, where'sring Jared?
Yeah.
Jared, you have until the end of2025 and I'm coming for you.
It's been said here.
You heard it here first, but hedoes all these green flag
things, so he is a green flag,except for, all right, let's re
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Why don't we start with greenflags and then we'll just go
through red flags and see, allright.
They ask you if you've eatentoday.
That's a green flag, man.
Mitch makes me breakfast everysingle day.
Jared makes breakfast on theweekends when he is home from
work.
Oh, yeah.
He, yeah.
Respects your independence andhypes you up.
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He helps me all the time.
I was like, you can't date abadie if you're not willing to
entertain batty energy.
So you need to like, I lovethat.
Like you, you can't be like, ohmy gosh, she's so hot and looks
so good and whatever.
And then like, not be okay withme going to book club, looking
hot, going out in the world, orwherever the heck I go out with
my friends.
Or you gotta like be okay withit.
You gotta hype me up.
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Hype me up.
You gotta be my biggest fan.
'cause if not someone else isgonna be like, but he is, he is.
He loves that.
Mitch just lets me do what?
Yeah.
Like he, whatever.
He's like, I love you and Isupport you.
And he's like, do you need me tomake dinner tonight?
You're gone.
He's like, go do your thing.
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He like, tell me I look reallygood in my like gym shorts and
sports bra and it's always likearound the house, obviously I
don't fix them and they're likeriding up my booty and like all
the way up here.
I'm like, you know I'm not goingto the gym like this.
Right.
This is not, he's like, I know,but I love it.
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I'm like, thanks'cause it's justfor you can't help other people
looking at my hoo-ha.
Oh no, not the hoo-ha therapy.
He's in it willingly.
Green flag.
Green flag.
Which is not in therapy.
Well, I mean, I feel like if heneeded to be, he would.
Yeah.
Jared did his therapy and nowhe's very, he's healed.
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Yeah.
That's why I love number nine.
I put a little heart next to it.
Gentle in a world that made himhard only for his people though.
And Mitch is the same waythough.
We're just like talking aboutour guys on here.
That's all the green flags.
That's what I figured was gonnahappen.
I was like, there's no waypeople keep, like we, I have to
guess.
That's not a green flag.
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Slur, burn King.
Doesn't rush earns the tension.
I not a big fan of calling menKing.
Not my thing.
I love when Mitch calls me Queenthough.
I, he, Jared calls me his ladyand I like that.
My lady.
Oh, first lady.
Or he is like, where's my mar?
Well, he calls me Marietta as a,it's a long standing joke, but
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he's like, where's my Marietta?
That's cute.
Or great one.
Great one.
Oh, great one.
Yeah.
That's one great one great one.
You wanted to gimme a licenseplate That said great one.
That's cute, right?
I was like, I'll take it.
I'll take it.
Done.
Sold.
How about a ring first, Jared?
I don't know.
Great.
One license plate is prettygood.
(43:23):
Don't, don't nevermind.
I'll take the ring.
I'll take like he went and triedthem on.
I went some.
He's be like, oh, all I have todo is no, he wants to ring, he
wants to wife me up.
Um, encourages you to stabsomeone only if necessary.
I don't think that's a greenflag.
I don't either.
That's not boyfriend material.
I would actually survive.
(43:43):
I need you to calm me down whenI'm little phase hyped up
wanting to stab tires.
'cause someone cut me off intraffic at a red light.
Not that i'll, it just goeslike, I need you to calm the
intrusive thoughts down.
Yeah.
Not hype those up.
Yeah.
Metro not.
No, no.
Um, buys period snacks withoutasking.
(44:05):
So Mitch literally did that.
Literally did that today.
Um, just, just for all the guysout there.
Luteal phase is way worse thanwhen women are actually
bleeding.
FYII am way worse in my lutealphase than I am when I'm
actually bleeding.
Um, he, he came home with rosesand Reese's for me this morning.
(44:29):
It was like, because you're innew luteal face because you are
crazy.
Yeah.
I brought offering, offering.
It's like you give snacks to thebear so it doesn't eat, you just
feed it and throw flowers at it.
Oh my gosh, I gotta tell youthis.
So I was cutting up the flour,cutting the ends off to put them
in the vase, and Jay was like,flowers and candy.
(44:53):
And I was like, yeah, daddabrought mama flowers and candy.
And I had a whole full blownconversation with her and I was
like, if boys don't justrandomly bring you flowers and
candy.
I was like, you say bye.
She's like, bye.
It was so cute.
Buy it.
I can buy my some flowers, but Ilove it when my man does it
(45:15):
instead.
I do too.
Even though we have the samebank account, but I'm like, they
sell them at Home Depot for afreaking reason.
I laughed so hard the first timeI saw that I was like, oh,
there's like no excuse you.
Like I bought everywhere,$900 intools, but I got you flowers and
you would get away with it.
Like it wouldn't even be, notthat like it's something to get
away with.
Let's go over some red flags.
(45:36):
Since we just talked about howamazing our men are, basically
ladies, if your men are not likeour men, find a new one.
Alright, we'll go back and forthif you think it's a red flag or
not.
Um, I kill people for a living.
That's like the like dangerflag, but like, like red flag to
the max.
But what people, we have thisconversation about Butcher and
(46:00):
Blackburn.
I understand these people arelike pedophiles and they are
well deserved.
I don't want know about, shesays that in the book.
She's like, this man's a serialkiller.
What am I doing?
Like hanging out with him.
They first meet, she's also aserial killer.
She's also a data analysisanalyst or whatever.
I didn't get that far to figureit out.
(46:21):
It's not really mentioned manytimes.
I think like once.
Alright, so we'll say, we'll go,I'll agree with you.
Red flag, brooding silence for75% of the book.
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna, I'mnot gonna say automatic red
flag.
I feel like maybe he's justalone in his thoughts or he
doesn't have anything to say.
(46:42):
Like maybe he's listening to hertalk for 75% of the book.
Maybe you gotta shut up.
Maybe he'll pipe in green flag.
Maybe green flag only soft withher and rude with everyone else.
I said we go back and forth andI'm just like reading them now.
That's okay.
(47:03):
I loki think that, that, I don'tthink it's like necessarily a
green flag, but I don't thinkit's a red flag because Mitch, I
love you so much.
He can be very, very blunt withother people and I feel like
sometimes his opinions like rubpeople the wrong way at times.
But he's just so honest.
Like, and Mitch is like, it's,he's like, I'm not being a dick
(47:25):
if it's the truth.
And I'm like, I.
Yes, but there's a way, likethere's a thing about your tone.
There's a way to go about it.
He's like, you're thinking it.
I'm like, yes, but let's rainreign it in.
Um, refuse to say I love youuntil near death.
Red flag.
I, fun fact, Mitch and I bothwanted to say, I love you when
(47:49):
we first started dating and helike had it in his head.
He's like, I'm waiting for likethe perfect time.
And like we were sitting on hiscouch and I was like, if you
don't say it right now, I'mgoing to say it.
I was like, I am done holding inthese feelings when we both feel
it.
If you're refusing to say it.
That's funny.
He's like, I love you.
(48:10):
Like just to beat me to it.
That's really funny.
We um, I'm also the one thatkissed Mitch first because he
was so nervous and after Ikissed him, his heartbeat was
literally going like a mileminute.
Aw.
Because he was so nervous.
And it was like our third orfourth date.
(48:31):
That's cute.
It was so sweet just giving youguys all of me and Mitch's.
I like texted Jared.
I was like, dude, I like loveyou so you need to get on board.
That's why I'm like, he's likeKnox.
'cause he is like, I don't wanta relationship.
I'm like, that's funny.
'cause I do.
So we have a problem here.
We're gonna need to change youropinion, not mine.
(48:51):
Which is like a serious redflag.
Like some days I'm like, whatthe heck?
But least he wasn't stringing mealong.
That's what I think at thebeginning.
Yeah.
He was very honest and it wasjust me that was like, no, I'm
gonna play defense on this.
I got this defense.
I'm gonna get a hold of thisball and I'm gonna take control
of this game.
Take hold of his balls.
(49:13):
Let me steer this over here.
I tell, I was like, dude,joystick.
I like, love you.
That's what I texted him.
That is really funny.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Owns a secret lair Basement.
Dungeon.
That's a red flag.
That's a red flag for sure.
(49:34):
And what if he called it amancave?
But why is it a secret?
Like, am I, if I find about, ifyou don't like, tell if you Oh,
sure.
Lie by omission about thissecret layer, basement dungeon.
True.
But yeah.
Like what's, what's going on inthis secret layer?
Dungeon basement trauma's sodeep.
(49:55):
It could be a cave system, Ithink.
I mean, it's not a red flag.
You just need to be like takingcare of your stuff.
Mental health matters.
Men's mental health matters.
What if his trauma's so deep?
It can be a cave system, buthe's willing to go to therapy.
Then he is a whatever color redand green are, when we mix them,
he's a Christmas tree.
Christmas tree.
(50:15):
You then like, you have to belike, okay, you're probably not
gonna respond to things the wayI would hope in the beginning.
And you're gonna have to workthrough your shit.
So you have to make sure ifyou're gonna like green flag,
something like that, that youcan also be very patient with
their, that's true.
Response life.
I feel like it was, that was meand Mitch was the patient one.
He's like, we need to, because Icame from a family that our
(50:38):
communication was yelling andFBOs.
Yeah.
That was Jared's family.
And ours was like, nobody talkedabout things.
So we didn't really Yeah.
Communicate very well at first.
'cause I wasn't taught how so wewould just like yell at each
other.
Exactly.
I was like, Ooh, that can't beokay.
And Mitch's like came from agreat stable, home.
Stable.
It's great.
(50:59):
I have the best inlaws, FYI.
Jared's parents are amazing,they're phenomenal, but it was
just like we were they loud?
Yeah.
It was just different than, andwe were not loud yellers.
Um, which we were loud Italians.
Hence why Marina talks so loud.
Um, won't communicate.
Just broods and punches walls.
(51:19):
Goodbye.
That's a red flag for sure.
Goodbye.
Yeah.
I was the one who didn'tcommunicate and I would like
leave.
And at one point, Mitch is like,when we get into fights, like.
You're not leaving, you'rewalking off like, he's like, go
into the bathroom and close thedoor.
(51:40):
Wow.
He is healthy.
Yes.
He's, we were actually justtalking about it the other day.
We're like, we,'cause in hisBible study he's like, it's
really hard because me and youdon't have any issues at all.
Just talk things out.
That's like j Jared and I justtalk things out.
It's pretty, it's really nice tobe in a healthy relationship.
(52:03):
Like, look at us.
The model of, I know beautifulbehavior for our children.
Enemies still lovers, but heactually tried to kill her once.
Hmm.
Like was he taught that he wassupposed to from when he was a
baby, that he needed to kill herto maintain his seat on the
throne.
Oh, you talking about Darius?
Any of them.
(52:24):
And then they end up beingmaids.
That's a, that's a red flag.
Star crossed and, oh, I loveDarius, but that is a red flag.
I don't think I can forgivesomebody who tried to kill me.
That's a hard one twice.
Oh yeah.
That's hard.
Well, I guess the first time wasnot twice, but with the burning
the clothes off.
I love that.
She just like flaunts it andjust like, here I am.
(52:47):
Yeah.
Bare naked booty and all buttcheeks and all.
You belong to me, you said withintensity and not consent.
That's agreed.
I like that.
Yeah.
(53:09):
Guess like gatekeep gun in hisnightstand?
I think not, we're not gonnagaslight, we're not gaslighting
your gatekeeping.
No, I thought gatekeeping waslike, oh, you have like cute lip
gloss.
Where'd you get it?
And you're like, I'm not tellingyou because I wanna be cuter
than you.
So I don't know what, like, menare gatekeeping how to like, how
to change the propane, but Idon't know.
(53:35):
Yeah, no gaslighting we're notdoing that.
Although it is a, a green flagto have a gun in your
nightstand.
Oh yeah.
I'm, we're, we're all for thesecond amendment over here.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm, we, um, reallydon't have a choice here in the
state of Florida.
Well, yeah, everyone's allowedto, so you might as well be, um,
we have a.
Like it's a safe that'sliterally drilled into the side
(53:57):
of the nightstand that has likea, a code.
That's nice.
Um, because obviously like wehave a toddler who has access to
anything and so everything,everything, yeah.
So if you are a Second Amendmentperson, please do it wisely and
safely with children.
(54:19):
It's like one of my biggestfears.
Yeah.
Um, we'd risk it anyways.
Walking red flags that we'dstill marry.
Yeah.
Although we're basicallymarried.
I'm married.
You're basically married.
So you're married.
The first one.
I don't know where it's allblacks emotionally unavailable,
(54:40):
but calls you baby once andruins your life.
Hmm.
Right.
That's like in a book.
Yes.
I'm all for it.
In a book, not in real life.
No.
Ex assassin turns off protector.
Who still keeps a knife in hisboot.
Yeah, it's a, it's a scaryworld.
We need a knife in our boot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I have a knife in my car.
I'm more concerned about likegators and coyotes here in
(55:00):
Florida, to be honest, I carry aknife when I walk and that's my
bigger concern.
I don't really wanna have toshoot a gator, so I'm just more
concerned about my dogs.
But fun fact, Marita calls meone day, she goes, Christina,
can I call the fire department?
There's a snake in my house.
I'm like, no, it's not a romancebook.
(55:25):
It's like, what about animalcontrol?
That one.
Okay.
Oh yeah.
It was too panicked to under tothink what to do.
Uh, my thought was to shoot itand I was like, mm, I don't
know.
Maybe that might be extra.
It's also in the same closet asthe gun.
So it has the firearm at thispoint.
It has, it will shoot back.
Uh, rough hand, sad eyes, and avoice that sounds like whiskey
(55:47):
and regret.
Yes.
All the things.
I mean, not regret for likehanging out with me, but Yes.
Yes.
He lies to protect you, butmeans it when he says he loves
you.
Mm.
Bye.
Mm-hmm.
Boy, bye.
I'm out.
Says I'm no good for you, Satan.
(56:08):
Right?
Basically.
Oh yeah.
That's like, yeah.
That is him.
That's Sadan Says, I'm no goodfor you Right.
Before making you breakfastshirtless.
Oh.
See, I hate, I hate like backand forth like that.
If you're no good for me, thendo better.
Exactly.
Or go away.
Yeah.
(56:28):
Don't selfishly stay here.
My, yeah.
You can't have your cake and eatit too.
My eggs all hot.
Eating my eggs and making'emtoo, or whatever.
Yeah.
Which makes my breakfast.
Short, listen.
That's great.
Jared will make my breakfast andhe will like put my little plate
or bowl on the scale and likemeasure and weigh out my food
and like it like, and I'll layon the, like with my coffee, I'm
(56:52):
like, I need a hundred grams ofthis.
I need a hundred gram, like 30gram.
Like, it's like, okay, thanks.
We'll burn the world down foryou, but won't touch you without
permission.
Yes, yes.
All the, yes.
There's nothing negative aboutany of that.
Yes.
Has a kill list.
You're not on it.
It's romantic.
Hmm.
Is he following through with thekill list or is it just like a
(57:14):
hypothetical one?
I think that that either way,that sounds, the kill list
sounds crazy.
Yep.
That's post office fives.
Nope.
Sorry.
If you're a post office workerand you, I don't mean that
offensively, but that's, thatsounds very like postal
communicates with grunts untilchapter 26 then delivers a
(57:35):
monologue that makes you sob.
Yeah, sure.
Sure, sure.
Eh, yeah.
You needed a minute to get ittogether.
I get it.
You gotta think through thosethoughts.
He's cruel to everyone else, butgentle with her.
We're in, I mean, cruel may be alittle strong actually.
Like, I don't want you to like,is he like kicking puppies?
(57:58):
Like what kind of cruel are wetalking Slashing tires.
Has a tragic backstory.
So layered.
It's basically notion there.
Rowan.
I love it.
Rowan from Throne of Glass.
Yeah.
I love it.
And Josh from Lights Out.
Love it.
Love it.
(58:20):
This was a long one.
All right, so because we lovethe men, thanks for listening.
I know we do love our guys.
Next, next week's podcast, weare going to talk about female
main characters, book besties.
Yeah.
The girls that we love and allof their toxic traits.
(58:41):
You have a fabulously unhingedFriday.
Yeah.
Love y'all.
Thanks for joining in.
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