September 15, 2025 • 43 mins
Jos Buttler relives England’s record-breaking T20 run-fest against South Africa at Old Trafford.
How did it feel to be in the middle with a turbo-charged Phil Salt? Who was doing the dressing-room maths? And what did Baz McCullum say to have the TV commentators in stitches?
Jos and Broady also talk rain rules, Irish escapades and end-of-season blues.
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304 at Old Trafford, what happened there and.
When you put it like that, to score that many runs is is
amazing. You've got this screen in front
of you with all the data on and it said projected scores 315 or
something. I was like, what?
Jobs always at 45 or near me said how is no one smashing that
ball? Give me another guy.
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There's always a little screen, isn't there around the dugout.
Oh God, that's uncomfortable. Also, I was walking through W
Bridgeford the day before the game and someone across the road
shouted kick them. Well Joss, we're getting out
there. We're getting out there.
And Andy Flower just sort of called our rooms, like, can you
just meet me? So we're sort of thinking, Oh
no. And he just walks over to us
with like 2 Guinness or three Guinness, not each, but put them
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down and said look, lads, enjoy your trip.
We finished one, one England versus South Africa, Jose in the
T20 series. But really there's only one
number that everyone's interested in, 304 at Old
Trafford. What happened there?
It's outrageous one I never everthought I'd see the day 300 got
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scored and and India got 297 notlong after I'd I think been
asked in an interview sort of will anyone ever break 300 and
and saying no. So I was very quickly nearly
proved wrong. And yeah, to be in the team that
has done it was just absolutely extraordinary.
I think it's actually talking toMark Saxby, the masseuse, about
how how days like that happen, that you don't go to the ground
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with any sort of feeling like we're going to try and score 300
today or, you know, any special sort of feelings that this could
be the day that something like that happens.
And also, especially at like OldTrafford, not always like a
really good batting wicket, but decent sized ground.
And, you know, so if it's somewhere like Bangalore or
Hyderabad, do you think maybe there's more of a chance of
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something like that happening? But yeah, when Phil Salt, you
know, got off to such a flyer that first over, he always comes
out with incredible intent. I think it's one of his super
strengths is how much he, you know, goes for it from ball one.
And actually just quickly or sayin the sort of team chat just
before the toss, you know, Baz actually said, you know, pointed
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out a few things from the the game at Cardiff that got rained
off and he actually singled out salty to say love the way you
took it on from ball 1. You know, continue to double
down on that. It's one of your huge strengths
and you know, just keep backing that because we're all backing
you to take it on from ball 1. So he obviously took that into
the game half an hour later and yeah, it was just unbelievable.
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I think we got to 100 in the power play, which is so much,
but it was so much fun. We were just lovely.
Obviously both of us playing forLancashire, you know, knowing
the conditions well and when youtapped your back down it was
rock hard and just felt. And we played.
Obviously you've had you moan about 100 wickets and you know,
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so very early we were saying where was this in the 100, but.
Because that was, it had that almost that perfect amount of
bounce that batters love, You know that you could get under
it, you could hit, hit the ball for six.
It wasn't sort of stoppy and slow, but it didn't look like I
was on commentary in the in the pod.
It didn't look like you guys were talking loads.
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You weren't having to say, oh, the pitch is doing this, this
ball's doing that. You were just looking at each
other, really, tapping gloves and let's go.
Yeah, it was some, it's one thatplayed battered with salty a
lot. We've had good partnership
bounce off each other nicely. He's, as I said, he's a great
partner to have because you can tuck him behind him.
He always takes the game on fromball one.
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But absolutely it was just, you know, tap your back, felt rock
hard, not rapid though, not sortof like uncomfortably fast, like
a good pace wicket that you could, you know, play your shots
and hit through the line of the ball.
And you know, it's funny, isn't it?
Old Trafford would always be deemed to be quite a big ground,
quite a big playing area. But on days like that, it it
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doesn't feel that way. So yeah, amazing, absolutely
amazing. I reckon it's such AI sort of
reflect on it like such a cool moment to be part of a team that
scored 300 and sort of sat in the dressing room.
You're in those games where you actually sit and you're playing
kit for ages because you just like love the day and you don't
want it to sort of end. And everyone's sort of talking
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about it, how it happened and different shots people played or
when did you think we might score 300?
And it's just, yeah, I absolutely loved it.
It was such a cool thing to be apart of.
Have you never been close domestically?
No. I don't think over 260 for
England. We got in the West Indies I
think, but like even that. So you're sort of going well.
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Still another forty runs and youknow, where are they coming
from? And yeah, domestically even less
I think would be the highest of you know, I played at Taunton
for a long time and I thought that and when that was flat as
anything. So, yeah, never the IPO,
obviously. If I think the Sunrisers team
were like the one you thought, you know, they they're really
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going to push it and they've got28290 maybe.
So even then you're sort of likeit's it's so far fetched, it's
hard to get. And I suppose the first sort of
inkling I had of when it we could get to that number, I
think 2 moments, probably 100 off 6 overs.
Then you're like, that's quite alot.
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We're well on our way. And then I think we were 160
some 6166 after 10. I've sat on the balcony thing
like this is, you know, if ever there's a day this is a day like
this is this is on. And yeah, just sort of really we
all started to talk about it a bit like this would be so cool
if this is a day and can we do it?
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And but I think it's Will Jackson, Jamie O are quite like
good with their maths and stuff.So Jacksie's like we'd be going
at over 15 and over from the first over.
I was like Salty took it for 18 or that it's just yeah, when you
put it like that to score that many runs is is amazing.
And I don't I don't see it as sort of like, oh, we'd have gone
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to Trent Bridge and if it was dry, we'd have, you know, got
near 300 again. I feel like it would it's it is
quite still a. Probably been bowed out for six
to go for it. It's quite a cricket far fetched
number I think. I don't think it would like
become the new norm. Well, I don't know.
But yeah, it was a awesome day, you know, great to be involved
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in. And, and I think this team, like
for Harry, Brooke and McCallum, you know, some guys we've spoke
about obviously who listened to Baz on our pod about how he
wants to develop A-Team and the connectivity that he wants.
And you can really feel performances like that really
bring the team even closer together because you you then
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all belong to that sort of performance.
And, you know, you meet up in a week or two and how about that
300? It's sort of one of those
moments that I think it's quite big for a side because it it it,
it double S down on all the stuff that he'll talk about, you
know, being fearless, being brave, being smart when you need
to and etcetera, etcetera. And then you've got proof in the
pudding that when you strip it all back and like he said on a
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on the podcast, you let your talent to come out and it shows
what what we're capable of. And yeah, I think salty to play
the way he does at the top. I think really, as I've said,
for me, I like to tuck him behind him and after he gets off
to a flyer and he really does, you know, allow, I think he sent
a great statement sort of as a player for the team.
So yeah, he's a big. Deal isn't cricket's.
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Cricket's such a mad game. She were flying, You know,
you're middling every single ball, 83 off 30, I think you
were. And then you top edged a little
paddle sweep. You looked devastated when you
got out because it's such a crazy game.
You've just played an incredibleknock.
You're so close to 100, but alsoyou're probably walking off
thinking could have gone 160 there as well.
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You know, it was one of those. So were you walking off going
done my job Like that's a prettyspecial knock or where you going
might have missed out there. Yeah, devastated actually, like
I was. I think it's always the thing
with batting and you always end unless you're not out.
You end on a disappointment, youknow, of getting out.
So, and I also remember just it was so much fun.
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Like the crowd's going well, every, you know, if I'm like the
non strikers, you got to get that sense like Salty's going to
hit a boundary or when I was on strike, I felt like you get in
that zone where you kind of feellike invincible and then all the
sort of rub the greens going foryou as well.
And I don't know, I always talk about, I'm sure we've said about
it before, like individual milestones, like you didn't
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really play for them, but they are nice.
Like, and scoring 100 for England is, is a special moment.
So it would have been awesome toif I could have gone on and and
got that. And then it was actually Dil
Rasheed. I've played loads of cruel.
He's like, well, you could have got 150 on if you kept going
like like that. I'm not it's easy to say that,
isn't it? But it was, yeah, a little one
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down the leg side. They tried to just tap on the
head and even when I hit it, I thought, oh, that's, you know,
one of those it'll be lucky. And just a little top edge, it
lands short and it went miles straight because he's sort of
charged in as well, thinking he's going to have to work hard
to get there and nearly knocked him over, he's pegging at it so
fast. But so yeah, the.
Time, the time I thought 300 wason.
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So you did in, in the T20 stuff on Sky, you do 5 over commentary
stints. So I did one to five, which got
up to, you know, 80 odd. Then I came back 10 to 15 and I
got on commentary and you've gotthis screen in front of you, all
the data on and it said the projected scores current rate
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315 or something. I was like, what?
Like that's normally 180 and then it's like if you go at 15
and over or 20 and over, you canget 270.
There's a project current rate three.
I was like, wow. And then Bethel came in.
Maybe you might have got out andBethel, it was like 4 or five.
I think he's under pressure. He's under pressure.
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He's got he's got to get going. Everyone wants 300.
He's got to get going. And it was, it was so cool.
Like the crowd were watching those last couple of overs.
Just, you know, you're saying asa player, I want to be in the
team or it was amazing being in a team that you put a
performance like that in. I think the crowd were thinking
how cool is this to be in a crowd where you see 300.
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There's definitely that anticipation and the cheer and
emotion. When when England finally got
there, as actually as I got on comment, she had about 10 overs.
Baz had come down to give a message to Brookie, I think in
the dugout and Baz was sat in the change room and he just lent
into the pod and went nipping around about there.
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Sign of a sign of a pretty good pitch, I think.
But yeah, I mean, T20 World Cup,all our talk has been about the
Ashes, hasn't it? Because that's what's coming
next as a as a huge thing for England.
But we do forget the T20 World Cups then in Sri Lanka and and
India in in February and March, big statement against a team.
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Southcare would be looking at that World Cup and thinking
we've got a, we've got a sniff, you know, we've got Rabada,
Jansen with with the ball, we'vegot Stubbs, Brevis, Markram, you
know, they've got some pretty, pretty talented players.
I mean, they've got got batteredreally.
Yeah, no, they're top side. They obviously, you know, lost
the final to India in the last T20 World Cup.
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Then they had a great series just gone in Australia as well.
But yeah, it's it's great for us.
You know the absolutely all the noises around the Ashes because
it's massive and you know how exciting it is with the way
England are playing and everyonethinking what a great chance
England have got going there. But like you say, attentions
will very quickly turn after that to to AT20 World Cup, which
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is going to be really exciting. They they do seem to come around
really often. But yeah, I think stuff like
that is is great for the team. Obviously, you know, Harry
Brooke taking over who played really well in T20 cricket
against the West Indies earlier in the summer.
Obviously the shortened game in Cardiff, which was, you know,
toss of a coin really could havegone either way.
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But then to put in another greatperformance at at Old Trafford.
So it just feels like everything's going in the right
direction. Just building nicely actually.
Sam Cohen back into the team, another one of those all
rounders who I thought he was soeffective.
It was quite cool wasn't he? He took a wicket with his first
ball back and hit a six. You know, a bit broad like when
he finished his Test career. So but yeah, it's nice.
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I and just have to mention what I the last ball I ever thought
he would bolt on his like returnto international cricket would
be a 50 mile an hour lollipop. His moon ball.
Which is quite cool. Good, good, but.
But he only decided halfway through his run.
Up Oh really? Is that what he?
Said I chatted to him at Old Trafford.
I said what? Because you know, we had him on
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the pod and talked about this sort of moon ball and where it's
come from, how much he practicedit.
I said when did you decide to bought first ball back for
England for a year or so? When did when did you decide to
buy that? He said literally 5 yards away
from delivering it. I was running up normal and then
just thought, think Brevis is going to go after me, going to
go for it. So he like changed halfway and
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it worked beautifully. Brilliant.
It's like it's like, so it's so slow and Joff, he got Joff out
with it in the 100 I think so like Joff's always at 45 or near
me. He's like, how is no one
smashing that ball? Give me another go.
How can no one hit it? But I haven't seen anyone hit it
yet. Which?
Is I haven't it's. Bizarre.
It's like, no, it does I. Mean he goes from 80.
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Actually we did some numbers on him.
He'd got a wicket this summer with a delivery in the 40's, the
50's, the Sixties, 70s and 80s. That's pretty cool.
His next challenge is to the 90s.
I'm not sure that might happen. But yeah, he's he's got a wicket
with all the. What do you call that?
I suppose it's all the decades. I don't know, yeah.
Don't know it's good good for him to have, but yeah, no, in
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terms of just when he got blown off shot.
But yeah, World Cup coming up, they'll come around fast off the
ashes. But yeah, everything seems to be
tracking in the right direction and you can sort of feel that
core of the side of those guys and they're all around the same
age doing the same kind of thing.
They all a tight knit group thatlove them playing across the
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Jose, we've got a question from Dave in Taunton.
Your neck of the woods. Is this the most powerful
England white ball lineup you'veever had, bearing in mind Jamie
Smith, Ben Ducker been rested. You got Jordan Cox, Livingstone
Best, Will Smeed, Zach Crawley not in the team.
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I probably know my opinion on this with you winning the World
Cup in 2019, but do you reckon this is the most powerful?
It's certainly exciting and talented and powerful, Yes,
absolutely. And that's just the way the game
is going. Obviously T20 cricket, 100's
been around for a while now, so more and more people are tapping
into that power game and stuff. So you are seeing more players
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like that. But yeah, 2019 I thought we had
a a really special powerful team.
You know, I think Bairstow and Roy as an opening partnership,
I'm sure people can get some numbers on that.
They were formidable and, you know, so consistent, so
powerful. You look at Jay and that semi
final against Australia, Jay Royjust obliterated the.
Yeah, absolutely. They were, you know, frightening
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as an opening partnership. Rooty, the glue behind that,
Then morgues. Who smashed it?
Stokes, he could smash it. I'm coming in behind him.
Moeen Alley was so good at that time.
We had a lot of power then. Yeah, but yeah, be a good hit
off. But yeah, it's I suppose I'm
just sort of trying to back the Ogs back in the day, you know
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that there we had the the power back then already.
But it's certainly a really exciting time and obviously T20
finals days, you know, Dave downin Taunton is probably very
happy with Somersets. It's pretty happy how?
It ended up Will Smith just talkabout.
Will Smith yeah, you've got 90 odd on on finals day, which is
obviously an amazing knock and to do it there.
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So there's there's loads of really powerful players around
you seeing some, you know, massive sixes a bit like I said
earlier about like, you know, Old Trafford being sort of one
of the bigger playing services, but no one really talking about
that anymore. Like it's not like, oh, there's
big boundaries. People can just know that if you
get 80% of it, it's going to clear the ropes every ground
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sort of around the country. So yeah, it is obviously a
really powerful line up. It's important.
It's one of those impossible questions to sort of answer, but
it's certainly a lot of talent around the country, really
exciting players who can give ita good whack.
I want to put your brains on theT20, the 1st T20 in Cardiff.
I actually wasn't commentating on that game because I'd done
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the ODI on the Sunday and then Iwas going to Manchester on the
Friday. I sort of got into bed with a
brew at 9:50 and you're walking out into the field.
What's going on here? Like, how's this so late?
South Africa made 97 for five off 7.5.
It was a bit of A5 over shootoutwith more rain.
Brookie called it a shambles. Like, what was the feeling
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within the changing room? Was it very much like, come on,
guys, it's pouring down, it's soaking wet or was it can't
let's have a 5 over again. But 5 overs really is a flick of
a coin, isn't it? Yeah, it is.
It's obviously it's just a shame.
You know, the weather is the weather, but then the playing
conditions are as they are and if you can get a minimum of five
overs, you can get a game. It was very wet, but I don't
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know, there's a lot of people inthe ground and you know, they
got to see obviously initially it was going to be 9 overs or 10
overs game, which a few of us have played in the T 10.
So it's sort of like, oh, it's got come in handy, you know,
knowing how to play a 10 over game.
But it's just just different, isn't it?
It's just unique. It was just one of those games
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that like it does feel a bit of a toss of a coin.
I think when it got when their innings got curtailed and then
it was like down to five, you know, that felt like a lot of
runs and then something South Africa could bowl two bowlers,
could bowl 2 overs. And so obviously you pick your
team when you name your side, knowing that you've got to have
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5 bowlers, a minimum of five bowlers.
So then I suppose down in the five over game, we're sort of
bit like how could someone bowl?You only need to use three
bowlers now. So that was a bit confusing I
guess, but it was a bit of a unique game.
It was a toss of the coin. It was something that we didn't
sort of really linger on for very long.
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It was just like that was, you know, obviously Brookie saying
it's a shambles or it's, it's just what it was.
It was like just the way the weather happened, the timing
that they could get us on the field to play.
And I suppose people saw some cricket, which, you know, was a
good thing really. You have, you have some games
where you're like devastated to lose and you feel like you sort
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of let everyone down. But games like that, you can't,
you can't judge them too much. Not like you can have team
meetings about what could have done that better, could have
done that better, because they're so rare.
You know, I think in all your career, how many five over games
have you played? Yeah, exactly, hardly any, but
it's and you can see, you know, South Africa won the game.
But I think walking off they probably knew like it wasn't
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like a one of those hard fought victories that was like so
fulfilling. And we would have felt the same
if if we were my only sort of you know, you're always looking
for something, aren't you? Like I was just my only thought
was like, throw it forward to a a World Cup and you get bad
weather. Maybe it will, you know, you
might end up in a group game that you must win to and it
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turns into A5 over game or A7 over game or semi final.
Like it's bad weather. So that was my only thing.
Like actually you've sort of been exposed to it and we call
it a a shambles. We may never play in another one
again. But if we do, actually there
might be a couple of things thatyou go.
I remember from last time this could come in handy or
something. Do do you think 5 should be, do
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you think it should be a minimumof 10 really or, or do you think
5 gives you the cricket? And ultimately, yeah, you're
right, The World Cup, if if you were in the situation that you
had to win a game and you need the points, last group game,
whatever, and the rules where it's 10 overs, not 5, you'd be
gutted, wouldn't you? You'd be like, get us out there.
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Yeah, yeah, it's, I don't know, it's it's so hard, isn't it to
to I think everyone sort of assumed T20 to start with was
almost too short to like for thebest team to win, you know,
still one player can take it away. 10 overs becomes even more
that 5 is like, say a bit of potluck, but you have to have
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obviously some kind of, you know, if you said no, it has to
be 20 overs then for the ground and for crack, if you've got a
couple of showers or something, it's like you have to call the
game off and then 10 minutes later it's cracking flags.
So I don't know, to be honest, I'm not sure what we should do,
but we did ask our Instagram account for some alternative
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ways to settle a rain hit T20 Gareth Duck said rock, paper,
scissors best of 11 Jimmy Owen says if it goes under 10 overs,
each captain should go head to head at a game of you laugh,
you're out yeah, try and think I'd.
Quite like that to be live on Sky as well.
Just live on the telly. He'd be a good captain for that.
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Morgues would be great, wouldn'the?
Morgues just no emotion. Absolute deadpan.
He would win the World Cup everytime with him doing that and
then hello, Callie has said. We could also make it more fun
by randomising the bowling and batting order, or drop the names
into randomise and get the computer to choose who opens the
batting and who opens the bowling.
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So. Not sure anyone needs to see you
with a brand new ball in your hand.
I don't need that either. Any of those.
Any other ideas? You know, awkward handshake
competition, something like that.
That would be good. A little awkward handshake comp
wouldn't it? Just suit who You must bring
that up. First, actually, because Eagle
Eyed Broad did notice at the endof that rain hit game, there was
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a bit of an awkward interaction between.
What me and what happened? Do you know I he's a young lad,
he's 21. I thought he would be that kind
of guy, but I'm yeah, of more ofthat kind of man.
He. Went old.
School he actually, I think out of respect went for, you know,
I'll go for the traditional and I tried to fit in with the
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youngster and it was just a little bit messy and yeah,
actually is one of those you sort of it happened.
I was like, Oh no, that was. And then there's always a little
screen, isn't there around the dugout and oh God, that's on
camera and like. It was.
You ended up just like grabbing his thumb, Really, didn't you
know on top? How many times have you watched
it slow MO that zoomed in? I had to get the right angle for
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sure, the right pace. It was one of those moments
like, oh, is that is it has justhappened.
Is it? Yeah.
It's done him, done him. He's done him, yeah.
But yeah, I think now people aregoing to be, I reckon because
we've talked about the awkward engine, I think people are going
to be more awkward around you atthe end of games.
Not sure which way it's going. So and I actually think that's
going to create more awkwardness, which is, which is
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wonderful. That's what we're here for.
You know, we're actually gettingembraced.
Viewers and listeners sending usawkward handshake so we're not
missing a beat. We're seeing them all.
Yeah, no awkward handshakes around the world we are seeing.
I actually also, I was walking through W Bridgford the day
before the game and someone across the road shouted Kick and
Whale Joss, which quite, quite enjoyed as well.
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So we're getting out there, we're getting out there.
We're. Getting out there, we'll stay
with us because we'll be lookingat to England's tour of Ireland
and giving our thoughts on last week's big interview with Baz
McCullum. Now, Jose, you've been on more
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For the love of Nord VPN. Jose, you're off to Ireland,
first game on Wednesday. I think Jacob Bethel is going to
be captain scored his first everprofessional 100 and it was in
an England shirt any ODI which was which was pretty cool.
So you excited for the trip? Yeah, really looking forward to
it. I think that's obviously there's
a couple of big names not going,but it's always a great honour
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to be in any squad and you know,going to Ireland, one of those,
I'm at that stage where you never know, probably be the last
tour you go on of, of somewhere or I've only been there once
before I think. So quite excited for that and
looking forward to playing some cricket over there.
But yeah, Jacob Bethel 1st 100 in an England shirt was was
amazing. You know, he played so well, I
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think amazing those kind of moments that just open up doors
and you sort of everyone knows about the talent and the player
and what he's going to go on andbe.
And then you see it unfold in front of you, which is is
awesome. And it's quite cool actually.
Obviously at Lourdes, he, he went up to #4 you know, Bazz and
Brookie were talking about, you know, just putting a left-hander
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up because South Africa had two left arm spinners in that game.
So, you know, left hand, right hand could be advantageous.
And Bethel went up and obviouslyplayed brilliantly in that, in
that one. And yeah, I actually went to
like put my pads on when who gotout somewhat the first wicket
because I used it at #5 and thenobviously Beth was padding up.
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So I said, oh, right, perfect. You're still at #4 again, he
said, yeah, I'm #4 so and then obviously went out and scored a,
a brilliant 100. And I'm sure you've seen that
picture of like Rudy with him like 10 years ago or something
like, and then they score 100. Because their dad's played
together. That's right.
Yeah. So 10 years later, you know,
scoring 100 with him in the middle at the Rose Bowl, which
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is quite amazing. But yeah, I think he just, you
know, he's done what we all knowhe's capable of.
He looks so assured. He's very planned.
He's very prepared. He's got flag.
He's Got Talent and yeah, he played great.
So isn't it? It's a huge moment for a player
as well to because he knows thathe can do it.
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You always need that moment though.
Don't you like to just say, yes,I belong?
Like, yes, I've not necessarily proved it to everyone else.
You've proved it to yourself. And also when you come back in
the dressing room, haven't got your 100 and is the way people
look at you and how pleased theyare for you and how much you
know it means to so massive, massive moment for him and great
one to, you know, go into your captaincy sort of with I suppose
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it got the confidence of the wayyou're playing, playing great
cricket. That's always a nice way to be
as a leader when you feel like you're your own games in in good
order. So.
It felt like a big 100 because, you know, obviously Got Talent,
but we're just getting to the stage from our point of view in
the press where we'd heard a lotabout him, a lot of great things
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coming from the changing room and Rob Key and Brenda McCullum
and you've talked so highly about him.
But we're just getting to stage maybe as fans that we hadn't
seen it. You know, there was all those
stats about he'd faced 400 ballssince April and we're in August
or something, you know, just hadn't played any cricket.
So how can you judge a player when they're not having the
opportunity or you're actually seeing anything to to go, yeah,
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he's a really good player. So I think I was asked on Sky
like, is he, is he is he an amazing talent?
I said, I don't know. You've heard it's, but I
actually haven't seen enough to know he's not played enough.
He's not he's not scored 100 professionally just to know how
good a player is. But but then you see him at
Lords and you go, OK, he can play.
And then he goes and gets 100 atthe utility ball in Hampshire
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and you're like, oh, wow, in 21 years old taken on.
Yes, it was a second string South African attack at the
time. But he took him on and played
quite wonderfully, setting the tone as well as back in first,
you know, having to having to set the tone of the game.
So I think everyone, England nowrealizes this boy's a talent.
It's amazing because he plays atthe last Test against India and
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looked slightly out of his depth.
Just maybe like out of rhythm, out of form, just haven't
played. Almost dragged the energy out
the Test match and we ended up losing it.
And then he plays that knock andit's it's got plenty Ashes and
he's got to play. You know, it's just amazing how
the mindset worked. I remember reading an article
where it was Bethel has to bat 3.
Hang on a minute. 4 weeks ago was everyone was saying, oh, he
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can't bat. He can't blame the Ashes, you
know, So it's amazing what a performance can do.
And for him now, yeah, he'll, he'll be full of confidence and
he'll just want to keep playing,won't he?
It's one of them now he's now he's scored some runs.
It would just want to keep facing balls, keep keep in a
rhythm, go to New Zealand, scoreruns and then put some pressure
on whoever it would be in that batting line up to to to get him
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for the Ashes. Yeah, that's absolutely exactly
just played just because it was a spare batter in that Test
series and nothing. And that's thing you have to as
well, like McCallum and Key and these guys are good at reading
into the outside noise. They know what they see, they
trust their judgement. And you know, there's no doubt
that Bethel was going to do the things he's he's doing.
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So that's great for him. So and I think you talk about
like talent. I remember first seeing him in
the West Indies, I think. And you sort of like you watch
someone bat in the Nets and within 10 balls you're like,
wow, proper player. Like it's one.
And it's not always the way. Actually.
You sort of then you have those young players that are like that
and then you have guys that overtime you realise how good they
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are. But Bethel was one of those like
instant. He's hit 10 balls, his shapes up
so well, played a couple of likepool shots against someone
bowling quite quick in the Nets,proper player.
So yeah, he's just sort of, likewe said, doing everything that
people believed he was going to go on to do.
So yeah. So it'd be great to to be out in
Ireland. Yeah.
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Any, any plans, Jose, if you, ifyou got lined up knowing you
imagine. Well, actually Morgues told me
that you shot 3 over before the Old Trafford T20, which you're a
really good golfer, but you're not a three over golfer.
You're like, you know, that's proper golfer for you, isn't it?
I know that's, that's a joint PBfor me, which is, so I had this
like new set of clubs, you know,I'm very excited the first few
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times I've used them, you know, terrible.
And actually the Cardiff game, Ithought the weather forecast
wasn't great. We probably won't play it.
Got 6 hours to kill, only goes to the driving range.
So I actually like sort of snuckout there.
I didn't really want anyone to see me.
So I've sort of snuck out the hotel into an Hoopa to the
driving range, another hour at the driving range with my
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Airpods in. But did you ever go on a trip to
Ireland? Do you have a tour out there?
I did. I can't remember if I played any
cricket over there. It was the 2009 Ashes that had
been 5 back-to-back tests like busy and we'd finished.
Must have been on a Monday. Lifted the urn at the Oval.
Bit of a party and then I'm surethat sort of evening we either
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flew or the following morning maybe it's drive home, get our
blue pads and and fly. So we'd almost taken the same
sort of squad really. So Jimmy Anderson and I were
there having played quite a lot of cricket and from me and Andy
Flower, we were sort of a bit jaded, a bit tired, almost a bit
sort of why after the Ashes of of low, we flown to Ireland to
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bowl again type thing. And Andy Flower just sort of
called our rooms like, can you just meet me?
We're staying in a hotel, can't remember the name of it, but had
a pub in the grounds of the hotel.
So he's like, you just meet me in the pub at 7:00 PM.
So we're sort of thinking, Oh no, are we in trouble?
Like what have we done? What's happened?
So we sit there and he just walks over to us with like 2
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Guinness or three Guinness, not each, but put them down and
said, look, lads, you're not going to play.
Well, what bit like what we're doing here.
You're not going to play, but good to have you around the
group and just enjoy enjoy your trip and the disappointment of
being told you're not going to play to then catching eyes with
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Jimmy that were in Ireland not shy of a Guinness.
Sort of guaranteed that all we're going to have to do is
carry the drinks for a few days.As was quite fun, maybe slightly
unprofessional, but quite fun. But yeah, that that was so I
don't actually know. I mean, I definitely played
against Ireland. I don't know if I played in
Ireland, but I've, I've been. On tour to Ireland and sounds
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like a tour, yeah. So no, that's nice.
But broadly, obviously we had a great guest on last week,
England coach Brendan McCallum. I was a bit nervous inviting him
on. Obviously being coach and being
a player is all a bit of a different dynamic.
But yeah, we've had an amazing reaction, haven't you?
So thanks for all the comments on that.
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Broadly, what was your sort of takeaways from having bats in
the studio? He was amazing, wasn't he
actually speaking to him for howlong we did, having played under
for two years, There were the things he said that that just
made so much sense, but I'd never heard him say that like
it. I think sometimes with his
coaching style and philosophy and the teams, people can think,
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maybe not that much thought goesinto it.
Maybe just so relaxed because every time the the camera
catches him on the balcony, he'sjust like laid back feet, feet
up, laces undone. So you think how much is going
into that? But he's he's very sort of the
right word, like controlled withwhat he says the direction, you
know, definitely that he has 100meetings a day, not one big team
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meeting in a in a team room. But he's constantly working on
the players figuring out even that salty thing that you said
at Old Trafford got out for naughty at Cardiff, but calls
him out in the team meeting of in the huddle of love the way
you're going about it. Used to do that to Johnny Bestow
the whole time. Johnny didn't get runs.
Johnny would get a mention. You know, it's just little
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psychology things. And I've yeah, I had great
reaction actually, but slightly embarrassing moment.
I was driving got higher car anddriving Morgan around for these
T 20s. So we get in the car and my
phone hadn't synced up with the Apple play for some reason.
We wanted to listen to the football, so I was driving so
more so you mind just sorting out my phone?
So he pings it up and it comes up on the screen.
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Last thing, listened to our pod For the Love of Cricket with Baz
McCullum. And it was just that moment of
he's just seen the fact that I listened to me on podcasts and I
had that, well, you know, it's just good to listen to to see
how it sounded and you know. Just remind myself but.
But honestly, I was just drivingup to Manchester, which is, you
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know, five hours or something, and I thought, you know, I love
the interview. I just want to hear what he said
again. And I really, really enjoyed
listening. Listening to it back.
You know, we've had some wonderful feedback on it just on
Spotify. After listening to that, for
now, I feel like I could win theAshes on my own.
Christ knows how anyone with talent must feel.
Bring on. I won't say that word.
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Bring on the Aussies. Yeah, nicely played.
We had Sports Live 3652 on YouTube.
Said England are honestly so lucky to have him.
One of the most down to earth authentic coaches in the world
of cricket. Could keep listening to him for
hours and even the Aussie great Matthew Hayden got involved.
Said great interview, loved watching and playing with Baz
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and now listening to his insights as coach.
And I think we've also had Matthew Hayden will walk around
the ground naked or something ifJoe Root doesn't score 100 in
Australia. So.
David, feel a bit. Not sure how you feel about
that. And this is his daughter replied
to that I think too. Rudy saying please score 100
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but. I think everyone should have
texted. You 100 for for the that
absolutely, but no, I think it was cool that wasn't having bad.
So I think he's one of those characters.
He's always a bit of a hero of mine, so it's awesome to be
coached by him. He's sort of just drawn towards
him. You love listening to him talk
and actually in the for the podcast, like you say to have an
hour or so to just actually listen to the depth of it of I
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thought that was the coolest thing.
Because you see, you know, he rarely does the interviews,
doesn't he, with Sky and stuff. And it might be the end of a
series when they do more of a 10minute kind of section, which is
quite cool to listen because youget more of the detail and the
depth of, as opposed to just saying Baz Ball and sort of like
you say, the screenshot of him with a sunny Tom.
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So, yeah, it's actually made fascinating.
So they say to listen to the thedepth of thought that he has,
how calculated, how clever he iswith his use of language.
And, you know, and that's also how he said he finds spazzball
just disrespectful to the hard work that everyone's putting in.
And sort of the way we play is sort of.
So that was, yeah, pretty cool. But, and I also note that he's
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very aware that like he doesn't just believe that his way, his
way is the best way and will work everywhere.
He's very sure on like coaches have a style and stuff and
whether it lands with a team or not is you know that the big
thing. So it's not like he's his way is
the best way and the only way isthe way that's most authentic to
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him and he feels like he can getthe best out of players.
But. Yes, it felt like, yeah, that's
part of the reason he took the job, because he felt that the
England team or style could suit.
Yeah. Him.
So yeah, I felt like now he's obviously top tier coach, he'd
be quite specific with the roleshe might take.
Yeah, I think and I think it's right, you know like certain the
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same with players, isn't it? Certain players playing for a
certain coach in all sports, youknow, seem to be a different
player under 1 coach and to the other.
So, and I think that's the same with coaching, you know, it's
like, say you can land in a certain team and it might not
work for whatever reason, but I don't think he'll ever change
his philosophies and styles and how authentic he is, which is is
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obviously one of his great strengths.
And it's like the timing and theopportunity, like said, to
become England coach just seems,you know, as an England fan was
so lucky that it all sort of thestars aligned and and you know,
it's obviously been a great few years with him, him in charge so
far. And just finally, we've got a
great question from a listener Deepak in Birmingham.
Dear Jose Embroidy, can you suggest a remedy for the end of
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season cricket Blues? We played our last match on
Sunday and I feel bereft. And I certainly feeling it's
getting to that end of term time, isn't it?
See guys in the pod with the coats on and the scarves on and
well, yeah, so obviously the weather is September's been
nothing like the great summer that we had.
But Deepak, there's so much to look forward to.
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I think you've only got a month or so of get on your sofa, get
the highlights of that India Test series on, watch England
smack 300 in AT20 and then without realising you'll be
watching the Ashes. So I think that's pretty much a
lot to look forward to. I hope you had a good season as
well, saying you played your last match on Saturday.
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I know you know a club who had agood season broadly.
Yeah, I'm the old club, EdgertonPark Crew club in Melton
Mowbray, famous for our great tease back in the day, the home
of Port Pies and and all that jazz.
But yeah, first team finished second.
So promoted to the the Leicestershire Premier League
for the first time in donkeys years, I think since I was
trucking in bowling dobbers nipping them around.
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Second team won the division so they've been promoted and the
third team first time. For 30 years I've had a third
team got promoted regularly. I'd like 914 year old kids
playing for the third team, so that's.
Strong season, that. Scenes that the the, you know,
guys are wanting to play and andand get stuck in.
But yeah, thrilled Fredston Park.
And yeah, it does have that. I don't know, I always used to
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feel quite sad as a player when that season.
Was I was going to finish you? What is it like?
Obviously as a player for so long and now like you're in the
broadcasting world, when the summer's coming to a close, is
it like the same feeling or is it like?
Yeah, like, so the skybox on Sunday, obviously it's pouring
down. So you've got producers and you
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know, the guys we'd sat with allday, NASA, Wardy Morgues.
Theoretically I won't see them in the sky box till, gosh, when
England, New Zealand, maybe in June.
So I'm, I'm going to, to Australia to work for, for
Channel 7. But that's the only bit of sort
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of work I've got throughout the winter lined up.
So yeah, you, you spend all summer with these guys, like 60
days I think. And then it's you shake hands
that see you next year. Really.
It was it's a bit strange. So that definitely feels like
that that end of season. Obviously we've got a bit of
championship cricket absolute belter of a Championship game
this week, not Nottinghamshire versus Surrey at the Oval.
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There's one point in the Championship.
So if Notts can go there and andget a result, even if it's a
draw, it all goes down to to thelast last game.
It does anyway unless Surrey go and get 4 points.
But yeah, quite I think that's quite exciting for the
Championship that it's gone downto to that level.
The blasters fish, yeah I alwayswatch the Blast final and
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players are buzzing to do and the people have got like 3 coats
and woolly hats on. I think it's almost played a bit
too late in the season but definitely feels like with the
weather we've had when we're arriving at football season and
and ready to watch the cricket on the telly.
Yeah, certainly that kind of time.
But it's been a great summer, hasn't it?
I think it's been obviously an amazing weather.
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Very rare day was lost to rain. Obviously in the last little bit
there has been, but we've been treated to a great summer of
cricket this one, and thoroughlyenjoyed playing in and watching
and I'm sure you've loved, lovedbroadcasting on.
Absolutely. Yeah, it's been working.
Think it highlights, gosh, England, India, one of the best
series. We talked about that for ages.
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The 100 kicked off 300 late in the summer, but 300 in AT20 is a
huge highlight. And if not, I'm sure could win
the championship and we can all have a big party.
That's all for this week. Keep an eye on our Insta,
YouTube and Spotify accounts. Our next step will be a special
Lathe Weights Q&A episode where we name the next Fab 4 Test
batsman and Brody tells us the time he dressed up as a milkman.
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Cheers. Until then, goodbye.
304 at Old Trafford, what happened there and.
When you put it like that, to score that many runs is is
amazing. You've got this screen in front
of you with all the data on and it said projected scores 315 or
something. I was like, what?
Jobs always at 45 or near me said how is no one smashing that
ball? Give me another guy.
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There's always a little screen, isn't there around the dugout.
Oh God, that's uncomfortable. Also, I was walking through W
Bridgeford the day before the game and someone across the road
shouted kick them. Well Joss, we're getting out
there. We're getting out there.
And Andy Flower just sort of called our rooms, like, can you
just meet me? So we're sort of thinking, Oh
no. And he just walks over to us
with like 2 Guinness or three Guinness, not each, but put them
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down and said look, lads, enjoy your trip.
We finished one, one England versus South Africa, Jose in the
T20 series. But really there's only one
number that everyone's interested in, 304 at Old
Trafford. What happened there?
It's outrageous one I never everthought I'd see the day 300 got
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scored and and India got 297 notlong after I'd I think been
asked in an interview sort of will anyone ever break 300 and
and saying no. So I was very quickly nearly
proved wrong. And yeah, to be in the team that
has done it was just absolutely extraordinary.
I think it's actually talking toMark Saxby, the masseuse, about
how how days like that happen, that you don't go to the ground
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with any sort of feeling like we're going to try and score 300
today or, you know, any special sort of feelings that this could
be the day that something like that happens.
And also, especially at like OldTrafford, not always like a
really good batting wicket, but decent sized ground.
And, you know, so if it's somewhere like Bangalore or
Hyderabad, do you think maybe there's more of a chance of
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something like that happening? But yeah, when Phil Salt, you
know, got off to such a flyer that first over, he always comes
out with incredible intent. I think it's one of his super
strengths is how much he, you know, goes for it from ball one.
And actually just quickly or sayin the sort of team chat just
before the toss, you know, Baz actually said, you know, pointed
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out a few things from the the game at Cardiff that got rained
off and he actually singled out salty to say love the way you
took it on from ball 1. You know, continue to double
down on that. It's one of your huge strengths
and you know, just keep backing that because we're all backing
you to take it on from ball 1. So he obviously took that into
the game half an hour later and yeah, it was just unbelievable.
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I think we got to 100 in the power play, which is so much,
but it was so much fun. We were just lovely.
Obviously both of us playing forLancashire, you know, knowing
the conditions well and when youtapped your back down it was
rock hard and just felt. And we played.
Obviously you've had you moan about 100 wickets and you know,
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so very early we were saying where was this in the 100, but.
Because that was, it had that almost that perfect amount of
bounce that batters love, You know that you could get under
it, you could hit, hit the ball for six.
It wasn't sort of stoppy and slow, but it didn't look like I
was on commentary in the in the pod.
It didn't look like you guys were talking loads.
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You weren't having to say, oh, the pitch is doing this, this
ball's doing that. You were just looking at each
other, really, tapping gloves and let's go.
Yeah, it was some, it's one thatplayed battered with salty a
lot. We've had good partnership
bounce off each other nicely. He's, as I said, he's a great
partner to have because you can tuck him behind him.
He always takes the game on fromball one.
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But absolutely it was just, you know, tap your back, felt rock
hard, not rapid though, not sortof like uncomfortably fast, like
a good pace wicket that you could, you know, play your shots
and hit through the line of the ball.
And you know, it's funny, isn't it?
Old Trafford would always be deemed to be quite a big ground,
quite a big playing area. But on days like that, it it
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doesn't feel that way. So yeah, amazing, absolutely
amazing. I reckon it's such AI sort of
reflect on it like such a cool moment to be part of a team that
scored 300 and sort of sat in the dressing room.
You're in those games where you actually sit and you're playing
kit for ages because you just like love the day and you don't
want it to sort of end. And everyone's sort of talking
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about it, how it happened and different shots people played or
when did you think we might score 300?
And it's just, yeah, I absolutely loved it.
It was such a cool thing to be apart of.
Have you never been close domestically?
No. I don't think over 260 for
England. We got in the West Indies I
think, but like even that. So you're sort of going well.
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Still another forty runs and youknow, where are they coming
from? And yeah, domestically even less
I think would be the highest of you know, I played at Taunton
for a long time and I thought that and when that was flat as
anything. So, yeah, never the IPO,
obviously. If I think the Sunrisers team
were like the one you thought, you know, they they're really
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going to push it and they've got28290 maybe.
So even then you're sort of likeit's it's so far fetched, it's
hard to get. And I suppose the first sort of
inkling I had of when it we could get to that number, I
think 2 moments, probably 100 off 6 overs.
Then you're like, that's quite alot.
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We're well on our way. And then I think we were 160
some 6166 after 10. I've sat on the balcony thing
like this is, you know, if ever there's a day this is a day like
this is this is on. And yeah, just sort of really we
all started to talk about it a bit like this would be so cool
if this is a day and can we do it?
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And but I think it's Will Jackson, Jamie O are quite like
good with their maths and stuff.So Jacksie's like we'd be going
at over 15 and over from the first over.
I was like Salty took it for 18 or that it's just yeah, when you
put it like that to score that many runs is is amazing.
And I don't I don't see it as sort of like, oh, we'd have gone
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to Trent Bridge and if it was dry, we'd have, you know, got
near 300 again. I feel like it would it's it is
quite still a. Probably been bowed out for six
to go for it. It's quite a cricket far fetched
number I think. I don't think it would like
become the new norm. Well, I don't know.
But yeah, it was a awesome day, you know, great to be involved
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in. And, and I think this team, like
for Harry, Brooke and McCallum, you know, some guys we've spoke
about obviously who listened to Baz on our pod about how he
wants to develop A-Team and the connectivity that he wants.
And you can really feel performances like that really
bring the team even closer together because you you then
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all belong to that sort of performance.
And, you know, you meet up in a week or two and how about that
300? It's sort of one of those
moments that I think it's quite big for a side because it it it,
it double S down on all the stuff that he'll talk about, you
know, being fearless, being brave, being smart when you need
to and etcetera, etcetera. And then you've got proof in the
pudding that when you strip it all back and like he said on a
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on the podcast, you let your talent to come out and it shows
what what we're capable of. And yeah, I think salty to play
the way he does at the top. I think really, as I've said,
for me, I like to tuck him behind him and after he gets off
to a flyer and he really does, you know, allow, I think he sent
a great statement sort of as a player for the team.
So yeah, he's a big. Deal isn't cricket's.
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Cricket's such a mad game. She were flying, You know,
you're middling every single ball, 83 off 30, I think you
were. And then you top edged a little
paddle sweep. You looked devastated when you
got out because it's such a crazy game.
You've just played an incredibleknock.
You're so close to 100, but alsoyou're probably walking off
thinking could have gone 160 there as well.
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You know, it was one of those. So were you walking off going
done my job Like that's a prettyspecial knock or where you going
might have missed out there. Yeah, devastated actually, like
I was. I think it's always the thing
with batting and you always end unless you're not out.
You end on a disappointment, youknow, of getting out.
So, and I also remember just it was so much fun.
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Like the crowd's going well, every, you know, if I'm like the
non strikers, you got to get that sense like Salty's going to
hit a boundary or when I was on strike, I felt like you get in
that zone where you kind of feellike invincible and then all the
sort of rub the greens going foryou as well.
And I don't know, I always talk about, I'm sure we've said about
it before, like individual milestones, like you didn't
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really play for them, but they are nice.
Like, and scoring 100 for England is, is a special moment.
So it would have been awesome toif I could have gone on and and
got that. And then it was actually Dil
Rasheed. I've played loads of cruel.
He's like, well, you could have got 150 on if you kept going
like like that. I'm not it's easy to say that,
isn't it? But it was, yeah, a little one
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down the leg side. They tried to just tap on the
head and even when I hit it, I thought, oh, that's, you know,
one of those it'll be lucky. And just a little top edge, it
lands short and it went miles straight because he's sort of
charged in as well, thinking he's going to have to work hard
to get there and nearly knocked him over, he's pegging at it so
fast. But so yeah, the.
Time, the time I thought 300 wason.
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So you did in, in the T20 stuff on Sky, you do 5 over commentary
stints. So I did one to five, which got
up to, you know, 80 odd. Then I came back 10 to 15 and I
got on commentary and you've gotthis screen in front of you, all
the data on and it said the projected scores current rate
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315 or something. I was like, what?
Like that's normally 180 and then it's like if you go at 15
and over or 20 and over, you canget 270.
There's a project current rate three.
I was like, wow. And then Bethel came in.
Maybe you might have got out andBethel, it was like 4 or five.
I think he's under pressure. He's under pressure.
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He's got he's got to get going. Everyone wants 300.
He's got to get going. And it was, it was so cool.
Like the crowd were watching those last couple of overs.
Just, you know, you're saying asa player, I want to be in the
team or it was amazing being in a team that you put a
performance like that in. I think the crowd were thinking
how cool is this to be in a crowd where you see 300.
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There's definitely that anticipation and the cheer and
emotion. When when England finally got
there, as actually as I got on comment, she had about 10 overs.
Baz had come down to give a message to Brookie, I think in
the dugout and Baz was sat in the change room and he just lent
into the pod and went nipping around about there.
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Sign of a sign of a pretty good pitch, I think.
But yeah, I mean, T20 World Cup,all our talk has been about the
Ashes, hasn't it? Because that's what's coming
next as a as a huge thing for England.
But we do forget the T20 World Cups then in Sri Lanka and and
India in in February and March, big statement against a team.
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Southcare would be looking at that World Cup and thinking
we've got a, we've got a sniff, you know, we've got Rabada,
Jansen with with the ball, we'vegot Stubbs, Brevis, Markram, you
know, they've got some pretty, pretty talented players.
I mean, they've got got batteredreally.
Yeah, no, they're top side. They obviously, you know, lost
the final to India in the last T20 World Cup.
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Then they had a great series just gone in Australia as well.
But yeah, it's it's great for us.
You know the absolutely all the noises around the Ashes because
it's massive and you know how exciting it is with the way
England are playing and everyonethinking what a great chance
England have got going there. But like you say, attentions
will very quickly turn after that to to AT20 World Cup, which
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is going to be really exciting. They they do seem to come around
really often. But yeah, I think stuff like
that is is great for the team. Obviously, you know, Harry
Brooke taking over who played really well in T20 cricket
against the West Indies earlier in the summer.
Obviously the shortened game in Cardiff, which was, you know,
toss of a coin really could havegone either way.
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But then to put in another greatperformance at at Old Trafford.
So it just feels like everything's going in the right
direction. Just building nicely actually.
Sam Cohen back into the team, another one of those all
rounders who I thought he was soeffective.
It was quite cool wasn't he? He took a wicket with his first
ball back and hit a six. You know, a bit broad like when
he finished his Test career. So but yeah, it's nice.
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I and just have to mention what I the last ball I ever thought
he would bolt on his like returnto international cricket would
be a 50 mile an hour lollipop. His moon ball.
Which is quite cool. Good, good, but.
But he only decided halfway through his run.
Up Oh really? Is that what he?
Said I chatted to him at Old Trafford.
I said what? Because you know, we had him on
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the pod and talked about this sort of moon ball and where it's
come from, how much he practicedit.
I said when did you decide to bought first ball back for
England for a year or so? When did when did you decide to
buy that? He said literally 5 yards away
from delivering it. I was running up normal and then
just thought, think Brevis is going to go after me, going to
go for it. So he like changed halfway and
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it worked beautifully. Brilliant.
It's like it's like, so it's so slow and Joff, he got Joff out
with it in the 100 I think so like Joff's always at 45 or near
me. He's like, how is no one
smashing that ball? Give me another go.
How can no one hit it? But I haven't seen anyone hit it
yet. Which?
Is I haven't it's. Bizarre.
It's like, no, it does I. Mean he goes from 80.
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Actually we did some numbers on him.
He'd got a wicket this summer with a delivery in the 40's, the
50's, the Sixties, 70s and 80s. That's pretty cool.
His next challenge is to the 90s.
I'm not sure that might happen. But yeah, he's he's got a wicket
with all the. What do you call that?
I suppose it's all the decades. I don't know, yeah.
Don't know it's good good for him to have, but yeah, no, in
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terms of just when he got blown off shot.
But yeah, World Cup coming up, they'll come around fast off the
ashes. But yeah, everything seems to be
tracking in the right direction and you can sort of feel that
core of the side of those guys and they're all around the same
age doing the same kind of thing.
They all a tight knit group thatlove them playing across the
formats as well so. Don't forget to watch us on
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Jose, we've got a question from Dave in Taunton.
Your neck of the woods. Is this the most powerful
England white ball lineup you'veever had, bearing in mind Jamie
Smith, Ben Ducker been rested. You got Jordan Cox, Livingstone
Best, Will Smeed, Zach Crawley not in the team.
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I probably know my opinion on this with you winning the World
Cup in 2019, but do you reckon this is the most powerful?
It's certainly exciting and talented and powerful, Yes,
absolutely. And that's just the way the game
is going. Obviously T20 cricket, 100's
been around for a while now, so more and more people are tapping
into that power game and stuff. So you are seeing more players
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like that. But yeah, 2019 I thought we had
a a really special powerful team.
You know, I think Bairstow and Roy as an opening partnership,
I'm sure people can get some numbers on that.
They were formidable and, you know, so consistent, so
powerful. You look at Jay and that semi
final against Australia, Jay Royjust obliterated the.
Yeah, absolutely. They were, you know, frightening
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as an opening partnership. Rooty, the glue behind that,
Then morgues. Who smashed it?
Stokes, he could smash it. I'm coming in behind him.
Moeen Alley was so good at that time.
We had a lot of power then. Yeah, but yeah, be a good hit
off. But yeah, it's I suppose I'm
just sort of trying to back the Ogs back in the day, you know
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that there we had the the power back then already.
But it's certainly a really exciting time and obviously T20
finals days, you know, Dave downin Taunton is probably very
happy with Somersets. It's pretty happy how?
It ended up Will Smith just talkabout.
Will Smith yeah, you've got 90 odd on on finals day, which is
obviously an amazing knock and to do it there.
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So there's there's loads of really powerful players around
you seeing some, you know, massive sixes a bit like I said
earlier about like, you know, Old Trafford being sort of one
of the bigger playing services, but no one really talking about
that anymore. Like it's not like, oh, there's
big boundaries. People can just know that if you
get 80% of it, it's going to clear the ropes every ground
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sort of around the country. So yeah, it is obviously a
really powerful line up. It's important.
It's one of those impossible questions to sort of answer, but
it's certainly a lot of talent around the country, really
exciting players who can give ita good whack.
I want to put your brains on theT20, the 1st T20 in Cardiff.
I actually wasn't commentating on that game because I'd done
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the ODI on the Sunday and then Iwas going to Manchester on the
Friday. I sort of got into bed with a
brew at 9:50 and you're walking out into the field.
What's going on here? Like, how's this so late?
South Africa made 97 for five off 7.5.
It was a bit of A5 over shootoutwith more rain.
Brookie called it a shambles. Like, what was the feeling
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within the changing room? Was it very much like, come on,
guys, it's pouring down, it's soaking wet or was it can't
let's have a 5 over again. But 5 overs really is a flick of
a coin, isn't it? Yeah, it is.
It's obviously it's just a shame.
You know, the weather is the weather, but then the playing
conditions are as they are and if you can get a minimum of five
overs, you can get a game. It was very wet, but I don't
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know, there's a lot of people inthe ground and you know, they
got to see obviously initially it was going to be 9 overs or 10
overs game, which a few of us have played in the T 10.
So it's sort of like, oh, it's got come in handy, you know,
knowing how to play a 10 over game.
But it's just just different, isn't it?
It's just unique. It was just one of those games
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that like it does feel a bit of a toss of a coin.
I think when it got when their innings got curtailed and then
it was like down to five, you know, that felt like a lot of
runs and then something South Africa could bowl two bowlers,
could bowl 2 overs. And so obviously you pick your
team when you name your side, knowing that you've got to have
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5 bowlers, a minimum of five bowlers.
So then I suppose down in the five over game, we're sort of
bit like how could someone bowl?You only need to use three
bowlers now. So that was a bit confusing I
guess, but it was a bit of a unique game.
It was a toss of the coin. It was something that we didn't
sort of really linger on for very long.
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It was just like that was, you know, obviously Brookie saying
it's a shambles or it's, it's just what it was.
It was like just the way the weather happened, the timing
that they could get us on the field to play.
And I suppose people saw some cricket, which, you know, was a
good thing really. You have, you have some games
where you're like devastated to lose and you feel like you sort
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of let everyone down. But games like that, you can't,
you can't judge them too much. Not like you can have team
meetings about what could have done that better, could have
done that better, because they're so rare.
You know, I think in all your career, how many five over games
have you played? Yeah, exactly, hardly any, but
it's and you can see, you know, South Africa won the game.
But I think walking off they probably knew like it wasn't
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like a one of those hard fought victories that was like so
fulfilling. And we would have felt the same
if if we were my only sort of you know, you're always looking
for something, aren't you? Like I was just my only thought
was like, throw it forward to a a World Cup and you get bad
weather. Maybe it will, you know, you
might end up in a group game that you must win to and it
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turns into A5 over game or A7 over game or semi final.
Like it's bad weather. So that was my only thing.
Like actually you've sort of been exposed to it and we call
it a a shambles. We may never play in another one
again. But if we do, actually there
might be a couple of things thatyou go.
I remember from last time this could come in handy or
something. Do do you think 5 should be, do
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you think it should be a minimumof 10 really or, or do you think
5 gives you the cricket? And ultimately, yeah, you're
right, The World Cup, if if you were in the situation that you
had to win a game and you need the points, last group game,
whatever, and the rules where it's 10 overs, not 5, you'd be
gutted, wouldn't you? You'd be like, get us out there.
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Yeah, yeah, it's, I don't know, it's it's so hard, isn't it to
to I think everyone sort of assumed T20 to start with was
almost too short to like for thebest team to win, you know,
still one player can take it away. 10 overs becomes even more
that 5 is like, say a bit of potluck, but you have to have
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obviously some kind of, you know, if you said no, it has to
be 20 overs then for the ground and for crack, if you've got a
couple of showers or something, it's like you have to call the
game off and then 10 minutes later it's cracking flags.
So I don't know, to be honest, I'm not sure what we should do,
but we did ask our Instagram account for some alternative
(21:14):
ways to settle a rain hit T20 Gareth Duck said rock, paper,
scissors best of 11 Jimmy Owen says if it goes under 10 overs,
each captain should go head to head at a game of you laugh,
you're out yeah, try and think I'd.
Quite like that to be live on Sky as well.
Just live on the telly. He'd be a good captain for that.
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Morgues would be great, wouldn'the?
Morgues just no emotion. Absolute deadpan.
He would win the World Cup everytime with him doing that and
then hello, Callie has said. We could also make it more fun
by randomising the bowling and batting order, or drop the names
into randomise and get the computer to choose who opens the
batting and who opens the bowling.
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So. Not sure anyone needs to see you
with a brand new ball in your hand.
I don't need that either. Any of those.
Any other ideas? You know, awkward handshake
competition, something like that.
That would be good. A little awkward handshake comp
wouldn't it? Just suit who You must bring
that up. First, actually, because Eagle
Eyed Broad did notice at the endof that rain hit game, there was
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a bit of an awkward interaction between.
What me and what happened? Do you know I he's a young lad,
he's 21. I thought he would be that kind
of guy, but I'm yeah, of more ofthat kind of man.
He. Went old.
School he actually, I think out of respect went for, you know,
I'll go for the traditional and I tried to fit in with the
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youngster and it was just a little bit messy and yeah,
actually is one of those you sort of it happened.
I was like, Oh no, that was. And then there's always a little
screen, isn't there around the dugout and oh God, that's on
camera and like. It was.
You ended up just like grabbing his thumb, Really, didn't you
know on top? How many times have you watched
it slow MO that zoomed in? I had to get the right angle for
(23:01):
sure, the right pace. It was one of those moments
like, oh, is that is it has justhappened.
Is it? Yeah.
It's done him, done him. He's done him, yeah.
But yeah, I think now people aregoing to be, I reckon because
we've talked about the awkward engine, I think people are going
to be more awkward around you atthe end of games.
Not sure which way it's going. So and I actually think that's
going to create more awkwardness, which is, which is
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wonderful. That's what we're here for.
You know, we're actually gettingembraced.
Viewers and listeners sending usawkward handshake so we're not
missing a beat. We're seeing them all.
Yeah, no awkward handshakes around the world we are seeing.
I actually also, I was walking through W Bridgford the day
before the game and someone across the road shouted Kick and
Whale Joss, which quite, quite enjoyed as well.
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So we're getting out there, we're getting out there.
We're. Getting out there, we'll stay
with us because we'll be lookingat to England's tour of Ireland
and giving our thoughts on last week's big interview with Baz
McCullum. Now, Jose, you've been on more
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For the love of Nord VPN. Jose, you're off to Ireland,
first game on Wednesday. I think Jacob Bethel is going to
be captain scored his first everprofessional 100 and it was in
an England shirt any ODI which was which was pretty cool.
So you excited for the trip? Yeah, really looking forward to
it. I think that's obviously there's
a couple of big names not going,but it's always a great honour
(25:10):
to be in any squad and you know,going to Ireland, one of those,
I'm at that stage where you never know, probably be the last
tour you go on of, of somewhere or I've only been there once
before I think. So quite excited for that and
looking forward to playing some cricket over there.
But yeah, Jacob Bethel 1st 100 in an England shirt was was
amazing. You know, he played so well, I
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think amazing those kind of moments that just open up doors
and you sort of everyone knows about the talent and the player
and what he's going to go on andbe.
And then you see it unfold in front of you, which is is
awesome. And it's quite cool actually.
Obviously at Lourdes, he, he went up to #4 you know, Bazz and
Brookie were talking about, you know, just putting a left-hander
(25:51):
up because South Africa had two left arm spinners in that game.
So, you know, left hand, right hand could be advantageous.
And Bethel went up and obviouslyplayed brilliantly in that, in
that one. And yeah, I actually went to
like put my pads on when who gotout somewhat the first wicket
because I used it at #5 and thenobviously Beth was padding up.
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So I said, oh, right, perfect. You're still at #4 again, he
said, yeah, I'm #4 so and then obviously went out and scored a,
a brilliant 100. And I'm sure you've seen that
picture of like Rudy with him like 10 years ago or something
like, and then they score 100. Because their dad's played
together. That's right.
Yeah. So 10 years later, you know,
scoring 100 with him in the middle at the Rose Bowl, which
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is quite amazing. But yeah, I think he just, you
know, he's done what we all knowhe's capable of.
He looks so assured. He's very planned.
He's very prepared. He's got flag.
He's Got Talent and yeah, he played great.
So isn't it? It's a huge moment for a player
as well to because he knows thathe can do it.
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You always need that moment though.
Don't you like to just say, yes,I belong?
Like, yes, I've not necessarily proved it to everyone else.
You've proved it to yourself. And also when you come back in
the dressing room, haven't got your 100 and is the way people
look at you and how pleased theyare for you and how much you
know it means to so massive, massive moment for him and great
one to, you know, go into your captaincy sort of with I suppose
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it got the confidence of the wayyou're playing, playing great
cricket. That's always a nice way to be
as a leader when you feel like you're your own games in in good
order. So.
It felt like a big 100 because, you know, obviously Got Talent,
but we're just getting to the stage from our point of view in
the press where we'd heard a lotabout him, a lot of great things
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coming from the changing room and Rob Key and Brenda McCullum
and you've talked so highly about him.
But we're just getting to stage maybe as fans that we hadn't
seen it. You know, there was all those
stats about he'd faced 400 ballssince April and we're in August
or something, you know, just hadn't played any cricket.
So how can you judge a player when they're not having the
opportunity or you're actually seeing anything to to go, yeah,
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he's a really good player. So I think I was asked on Sky
like, is he, is he is he an amazing talent?
I said, I don't know. You've heard it's, but I
actually haven't seen enough to know he's not played enough.
He's not he's not scored 100 professionally just to know how
good a player is. But but then you see him at
Lords and you go, OK, he can play.
And then he goes and gets 100 atthe utility ball in Hampshire
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and you're like, oh, wow, in 21 years old taken on.
Yes, it was a second string South African attack at the
time. But he took him on and played
quite wonderfully, setting the tone as well as back in first,
you know, having to having to set the tone of the game.
So I think everyone, England nowrealizes this boy's a talent.
It's amazing because he plays atthe last Test against India and
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looked slightly out of his depth.
Just maybe like out of rhythm, out of form, just haven't
played. Almost dragged the energy out
the Test match and we ended up losing it.
And then he plays that knock andit's it's got plenty Ashes and
he's got to play. You know, it's just amazing how
the mindset worked. I remember reading an article
where it was Bethel has to bat 3.
Hang on a minute. 4 weeks ago was everyone was saying, oh, he
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can't bat. He can't blame the Ashes, you
know, So it's amazing what a performance can do.
And for him now, yeah, he'll, he'll be full of confidence and
he'll just want to keep playing,won't he?
It's one of them now he's now he's scored some runs.
It would just want to keep facing balls, keep keep in a
rhythm, go to New Zealand, scoreruns and then put some pressure
on whoever it would be in that batting line up to to to get him
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for the Ashes. Yeah, that's absolutely exactly
just played just because it was a spare batter in that Test
series and nothing. And that's thing you have to as
well, like McCallum and Key and these guys are good at reading
into the outside noise. They know what they see, they
trust their judgement. And you know, there's no doubt
that Bethel was going to do the things he's he's doing.
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So that's great for him. So and I think you talk about
like talent. I remember first seeing him in
the West Indies, I think. And you sort of like you watch
someone bat in the Nets and within 10 balls you're like,
wow, proper player. Like it's one.
And it's not always the way. Actually.
You sort of then you have those young players that are like that
and then you have guys that overtime you realise how good they
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are. But Bethel was one of those like
instant. He's hit 10 balls, his shapes up
so well, played a couple of likepool shots against someone
bowling quite quick in the Nets,proper player.
So yeah, he's just sort of, likewe said, doing everything that
people believed he was going to go on to do.
So yeah. So it'd be great to to be out in
Ireland. Yeah.
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Any, any plans, Jose, if you, ifyou got lined up knowing you
imagine. Well, actually Morgues told me
that you shot 3 over before the Old Trafford T20, which you're a
really good golfer, but you're not a three over golfer.
You're like, you know, that's proper golfer for you, isn't it?
I know that's, that's a joint PBfor me, which is, so I had this
like new set of clubs, you know,I'm very excited the first few
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times I've used them, you know, terrible.
And actually the Cardiff game, Ithought the weather forecast
wasn't great. We probably won't play it.
Got 6 hours to kill, only goes to the driving range.
So I actually like sort of snuckout there.
I didn't really want anyone to see me.
So I've sort of snuck out the hotel into an Hoopa to the
driving range, another hour at the driving range with my
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Airpods in. But did you ever go on a trip to
Ireland? Do you have a tour out there?
I did. I can't remember if I played any
cricket over there. It was the 2009 Ashes that had
been 5 back-to-back tests like busy and we'd finished.
Must have been on a Monday. Lifted the urn at the Oval.
Bit of a party and then I'm surethat sort of evening we either
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flew or the following morning maybe it's drive home, get our
blue pads and and fly. So we'd almost taken the same
sort of squad really. So Jimmy Anderson and I were
there having played quite a lot of cricket and from me and Andy
Flower, we were sort of a bit jaded, a bit tired, almost a bit
sort of why after the Ashes of of low, we flown to Ireland to
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bowl again type thing. And Andy Flower just sort of
called our rooms like, can you just meet me?
We're staying in a hotel, can't remember the name of it, but had
a pub in the grounds of the hotel.
So he's like, you just meet me in the pub at 7:00 PM.
So we're sort of thinking, Oh no, are we in trouble?
Like what have we done? What's happened?
So we sit there and he just walks over to us with like 2
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Guinness or three Guinness, not each, but put them down and
said, look, lads, you're not going to play.
Well, what bit like what we're doing here.
You're not going to play, but good to have you around the
group and just enjoy enjoy your trip and the disappointment of
being told you're not going to play to then catching eyes with
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Jimmy that were in Ireland not shy of a Guinness.
Sort of guaranteed that all we're going to have to do is
carry the drinks for a few days.As was quite fun, maybe slightly
unprofessional, but quite fun. But yeah, that that was so I
don't actually know. I mean, I definitely played
against Ireland. I don't know if I played in
Ireland, but I've, I've been. On tour to Ireland and sounds
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like a tour, yeah. So no, that's nice.
But broadly, obviously we had a great guest on last week,
England coach Brendan McCallum. I was a bit nervous inviting him
on. Obviously being coach and being
a player is all a bit of a different dynamic.
But yeah, we've had an amazing reaction, haven't you?
So thanks for all the comments on that.
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Broadly, what was your sort of takeaways from having bats in
the studio? He was amazing, wasn't he
actually speaking to him for howlong we did, having played under
for two years, There were the things he said that that just
made so much sense, but I'd never heard him say that like
it. I think sometimes with his
coaching style and philosophy and the teams, people can think,
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maybe not that much thought goesinto it.
Maybe just so relaxed because every time the the camera
catches him on the balcony, he'sjust like laid back feet, feet
up, laces undone. So you think how much is going
into that? But he's he's very sort of the
right word, like controlled withwhat he says the direction, you
know, definitely that he has 100meetings a day, not one big team
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meeting in a in a team room. But he's constantly working on
the players figuring out even that salty thing that you said
at Old Trafford got out for naughty at Cardiff, but calls
him out in the team meeting of in the huddle of love the way
you're going about it. Used to do that to Johnny Bestow
the whole time. Johnny didn't get runs.
Johnny would get a mention. You know, it's just little
(34:45):
psychology things. And I've yeah, I had great
reaction actually, but slightly embarrassing moment.
I was driving got higher car anddriving Morgan around for these
T 20s. So we get in the car and my
phone hadn't synced up with the Apple play for some reason.
We wanted to listen to the football, so I was driving so
more so you mind just sorting out my phone?
So he pings it up and it comes up on the screen.
(35:07):
Last thing, listened to our pod For the Love of Cricket with Baz
McCullum. And it was just that moment of
he's just seen the fact that I listened to me on podcasts and I
had that, well, you know, it's just good to listen to to see
how it sounded and you know. Just remind myself but.
But honestly, I was just drivingup to Manchester, which is, you
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know, five hours or something, and I thought, you know, I love
the interview. I just want to hear what he said
again. And I really, really enjoyed
listening. Listening to it back.
You know, we've had some wonderful feedback on it just on
Spotify. After listening to that, for
now, I feel like I could win theAshes on my own.
Christ knows how anyone with talent must feel.
Bring on. I won't say that word.
(35:48):
Bring on the Aussies. Yeah, nicely played.
We had Sports Live 3652 on YouTube.
Said England are honestly so lucky to have him.
One of the most down to earth authentic coaches in the world
of cricket. Could keep listening to him for
hours and even the Aussie great Matthew Hayden got involved.
Said great interview, loved watching and playing with Baz
(36:11):
and now listening to his insights as coach.
And I think we've also had Matthew Hayden will walk around
the ground naked or something ifJoe Root doesn't score 100 in
Australia. So.
David, feel a bit. Not sure how you feel about
that. And this is his daughter replied
to that I think too. Rudy saying please score 100
(36:32):
but. I think everyone should have
texted. You 100 for for the that
absolutely, but no, I think it was cool that wasn't having bad.
So I think he's one of those characters.
He's always a bit of a hero of mine, so it's awesome to be
coached by him. He's sort of just drawn towards
him. You love listening to him talk
and actually in the for the podcast, like you say to have an
hour or so to just actually listen to the depth of it of I
(36:55):
thought that was the coolest thing.
Because you see, you know, he rarely does the interviews,
doesn't he, with Sky and stuff. And it might be the end of a
series when they do more of a 10minute kind of section, which is
quite cool to listen because youget more of the detail and the
depth of, as opposed to just saying Baz Ball and sort of like
you say, the screenshot of him with a sunny Tom.
(37:15):
So, yeah, it's actually made fascinating.
So they say to listen to the thedepth of thought that he has,
how calculated, how clever he iswith his use of language.
And, you know, and that's also how he said he finds spazzball
just disrespectful to the hard work that everyone's putting in.
And sort of the way we play is sort of.
So that was, yeah, pretty cool. But, and I also note that he's
(37:40):
very aware that like he doesn't just believe that his way, his
way is the best way and will work everywhere.
He's very sure on like coaches have a style and stuff and
whether it lands with a team or not is you know that the big
thing. So it's not like he's his way is
the best way and the only way isthe way that's most authentic to
(38:00):
him and he feels like he can getthe best out of players.
But. Yes, it felt like, yeah, that's
part of the reason he took the job, because he felt that the
England team or style could suit.
Yeah. Him.
So yeah, I felt like now he's obviously top tier coach, he'd
be quite specific with the roleshe might take.
Yeah, I think and I think it's right, you know like certain the
(38:22):
same with players, isn't it? Certain players playing for a
certain coach in all sports, youknow, seem to be a different
player under 1 coach and to the other.
So, and I think that's the same with coaching, you know, it's
like, say you can land in a certain team and it might not
work for whatever reason, but I don't think he'll ever change
his philosophies and styles and how authentic he is, which is is
(38:44):
obviously one of his great strengths.
And it's like the timing and theopportunity, like said, to
become England coach just seems,you know, as an England fan was
so lucky that it all sort of thestars aligned and and you know,
it's obviously been a great few years with him, him in charge so
far. And just finally, we've got a
great question from a listener Deepak in Birmingham.
Dear Jose Embroidy, can you suggest a remedy for the end of
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season cricket Blues? We played our last match on
Sunday and I feel bereft. And I certainly feeling it's
getting to that end of term time, isn't it?
See guys in the pod with the coats on and the scarves on and
well, yeah, so obviously the weather is September's been
nothing like the great summer that we had.
But Deepak, there's so much to look forward to.
(39:26):
I think you've only got a month or so of get on your sofa, get
the highlights of that India Test series on, watch England
smack 300 in AT20 and then without realising you'll be
watching the Ashes. So I think that's pretty much a
lot to look forward to. I hope you had a good season as
well, saying you played your last match on Saturday.
(39:48):
I know you know a club who had agood season broadly.
Yeah, I'm the old club, EdgertonPark Crew club in Melton
Mowbray, famous for our great tease back in the day, the home
of Port Pies and and all that jazz.
But yeah, first team finished second.
So promoted to the the Leicestershire Premier League
for the first time in donkeys years, I think since I was
trucking in bowling dobbers nipping them around.
(40:11):
Second team won the division so they've been promoted and the
third team first time. For 30 years I've had a third
team got promoted regularly. I'd like 914 year old kids
playing for the third team, so that's.
Strong season, that. Scenes that the the, you know,
guys are wanting to play and andand get stuck in.
But yeah, thrilled Fredston Park.
And yeah, it does have that. I don't know, I always used to
(40:33):
feel quite sad as a player when that season.
Was I was going to finish you? What is it like?
Obviously as a player for so long and now like you're in the
broadcasting world, when the summer's coming to a close, is
it like the same feeling or is it like?
Yeah, like, so the skybox on Sunday, obviously it's pouring
down. So you've got producers and you
(40:53):
know, the guys we'd sat with allday, NASA, Wardy Morgues.
Theoretically I won't see them in the sky box till, gosh, when
England, New Zealand, maybe in June.
So I'm, I'm going to, to Australia to work for, for
Channel 7. But that's the only bit of sort
(41:14):
of work I've got throughout the winter lined up.
So yeah, you, you spend all summer with these guys, like 60
days I think. And then it's you shake hands
that see you next year. Really.
It was it's a bit strange. So that definitely feels like
that that end of season. Obviously we've got a bit of
championship cricket absolute belter of a Championship game
this week, not Nottinghamshire versus Surrey at the Oval.
(41:35):
There's one point in the Championship.
So if Notts can go there and andget a result, even if it's a
draw, it all goes down to to thelast last game.
It does anyway unless Surrey go and get 4 points.
But yeah, quite I think that's quite exciting for the
Championship that it's gone downto to that level.
The blasters fish, yeah I alwayswatch the Blast final and
(41:57):
players are buzzing to do and the people have got like 3 coats
and woolly hats on. I think it's almost played a bit
too late in the season but definitely feels like with the
weather we've had when we're arriving at football season and
and ready to watch the cricket on the telly.
Yeah, certainly that kind of time.
But it's been a great summer, hasn't it?
I think it's been obviously an amazing weather.
(42:18):
Very rare day was lost to rain. Obviously in the last little bit
there has been, but we've been treated to a great summer of
cricket this one, and thoroughlyenjoyed playing in and watching
and I'm sure you've loved, lovedbroadcasting on.
Absolutely. Yeah, it's been working.
Think it highlights, gosh, England, India, one of the best
series. We talked about that for ages.
(42:38):
The 100 kicked off 300 late in the summer, but 300 in AT20 is a
huge highlight. And if not, I'm sure could win
the championship and we can all have a big party.
That's all for this week. Keep an eye on our Insta,
YouTube and Spotify accounts. Our next step will be a special
Lathe Weights Q&A episode where we name the next Fab 4 Test
batsman and Brody tells us the time he dressed up as a milkman.
(43:02):
Cheers. Until then, goodbye.
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