September 1, 2025 ⢠51 mins
Jos is back in England colours and chomping at the bit to get stuck into South Africa as part of Harry Brookâs new-look side.
Oval Invincibles captain Sam Billings and Northern Supercharger Linsey Smith shake off their hangovers to reflect on their victories in the Hundred finals at Lordâs.
Broady and Jos discuss reports of an Ashes injury worry for Australia captain Pat Cummins and reflect on their favourite moments from Justin Langerâs show-stopping appearance on the pod.
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It was a pretty late one, finished off about 5:00 this
morning. Little Electro tab and you get
yourself a good night's sleep. Have you actually been to bed?
Is the question. I have been to bed.
Yeah, to be fair, I'm not going to lie, I have just work a lot
from a nap. I think it's one of the best
moments of the 100 in it's five years so far for a young girl to
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go out there and play that way. I wasn't thrilled, exhilarated,
buzzing with the 100 this year. What's the IPL amazing at?
Amazing at entertainment 6 hitting.
I always thought he was a bit ofa Dick, but what a great guest.
It's the start of September, thekids are back at school and Josh
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Butler, he's back in England camp.
Jose, good to see you. My ODI series against Africa
starting this week. Good to be back.
Yeah, great to be back. It's always a honour to get the
the England kit out and get backamongst the group.
Obviously a really exciting series.
South Africa have been playing some really good cricket so I'm
going to be a really big challenge against them and yeah,
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it's just nice to be nice to be back.
So the the 100th final was Sunday.
When did you guys meet up as an ODI group?
Yes, a bit in drips and drabs tobe honest.
So I came up Saturday night, we had our first training on
Sunday, but obviously the guys who've been involved with the
100, the Northern Superchargers guys, so the captain Brookie was
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training on Monday, but the guyswho'd obviously been involved in
the final, Joe Root, Will Jacks,Saqib Mahmood, I'm sure Tom
Banton, don't miss anyone, I'm sure I have.
But now they haven't had any training.
So they'll be, you know, straight into the game on
Tuesday. There's a reason I asked this
question. Any awkward handshakes when the
guys arrived or? Do you know what?
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No, no awkward handshakes. Haven't seen there's a lot of
love in the group. There's I think you know, Baz
sets the tone pretty well, doesn't he?
That's his forte's good with people.
He's in his handshakes. There's big hugs.
So haven't noticed any to be honest.
Always got my out. Actually the last 100 game I
played I was I had to do at BBC interview after the game.
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And so you sort of like go in mid interview.
So it's like handshakes on the way in.
There's Finney, Carlos Brathwaite, Alex Hartley, and it
was all I could think about. The whole interview is how am I
going to get out of this becauseit will still be live without
getting an awkward handshake. So I just tried to ignore people
really and just walk straight off.
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But. It's completely swarmed my brain
as well as anytime we interview someone, I'm thinking, right,
I'm going to hold the microphonethat obviously that I'm
definitely not going to shake a hand, but I have just whatsapped
you a little video that I recorded off the TV.
That's not me, is it? With Ravindra, you got your 50
for the originals. Now what I want to know.
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You go for a little sort of handshakey, fist pump, grabby
thing. Did you think about us on the
pods? Did you think about the
listeners, the viewers, as this moment happened, do?
You know what, I don't think I did, but I think personally I
was a bit like just walking backto scratch and right like, oh,
that was awkward, wasn't it? Do you know what happened though
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is because it's coming through the IPL is it used to be a fist
bump in the middle, then it's now tap the bat and the fist
bump with Ratchet. We were, you know, going for the
back tap then the the punch likeit was all good.
And then that particular shot togo to a 50I just thought, you
know, same again, surely like tap and fist bump.
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But obviously I think he's congratulating me on going to
50. I was a bit sort of unsure where
I probably knew I was around 50,but I didn't.
I don't know. I didn't feel like it needed the
handshake, but it obviously did.And your sharp eye has managed
to just catch, that's all. I look out.
For if I'm honest, so when I'm commentating I'm just looking
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out for, for awkward handshakes.It's shocking.
I feel like when you're in batting partnerships, Graham
Swan and Chris Reed, my Nottinghamshire team mates would
never fist pump ever, ever, ever.
Nothing. Now getting to the the England
side, Sonny Baker you've played with, but a few of the guys
won't have played with. He's going to play for England
this week. How did he find out?
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Is it sort of just a WhatsApp group or did Baz pull pull him
aside? No, I think Baz would have gone
and let him know. Haven't haven't had that
conversation with him. Actually.
It'd been nice to find out because he was so excited when
he got the phone call to be picked in the squad and we
talked about how he thought he was getting pranked called or
something by a number he didn't recognise.
But he's such a he's a real lovable character.
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He's got a great attitude. So he would have been so
made-up, I'm sure as when Baz told him that he's going to be
playing. So it would have been really
cool to see cool moment for him to talk about.
And I think just you know what awhat a month he's had, you know,
from the original stuff, taking the new ball, swinging it round,
bowling really well at guys's put his name up in lights, then
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selected for a squad and now, you know, playing the first game
of the series against top South Africa side.
It's great month for him and just really excited for him.
He's he seems to have taken everything so far in his stride.
And obviously you you know exactly what it's like to take
the new ball for England. So he's going to yeah, I think
it's going to be great to see him go about his business in an
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England shirt. He.
Has opportunities in the bowlinggroup.
Test match side, one day side probably the batting side.
Looks batting line up for England.
Looks really strong. I mean Jack C Will Jacks at
7:00. Almost like moulding him into a
bit of a finisher. I know he opens the batting a
lot in franchise cricket, but fine players have at 7 isn't he?
Yeah, absolutely. Obviously opens the batting in,
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in most of the cricket he's played.
So I think it's been a great sort of feather in his cap to
have played so well against the West Indies in this role at 7,
which would be quite foreign to him really from anything else
that he's he's done in his career so far.
So I think you know a lot of credit to him for adapting to
that role and and taking it on. Obviously bowls some handy off
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spin as well. So it's a you really balances
your side, gives you that extra batting.
I think it's always have talked about these players like that,
Stokes, Callus. These guys are just balance
teams so brilliantly and give you a long batting line up.
So having guys who can bowl likeJacks and Jacob Bathel when
you're top seven gives you a lotof options and a lot of depth.
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It's obviously something that Brookie's sort of highlighted.
He likes to have a long batting line up and he backs himself
with the three seamers and spinners to to, you know, mix it
up and be really effective with the ball.
Talk us through how you you go about adapting your game a
little bit. So you've had a month of 100, so
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you've sort of got to go really.If you have 4 dot balls you you
feel a bit of pressure coming into 50 over cricket.
Joe Roux played Sunday in the Hundred final, he's going to
play Tuesday in A50 over game. Just has to be a mental shift.
Yeah, it does. And I don't think it's easy and
I think if you can accept that straight away, that probably
helps. Just to not expect it to feel
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perfect and, and that's a bit how I'm feeling.
Just, you know, it might take mea bit of time to just get used
to it, but that's going to be OK.
Obviously I've got some good experience to call on.
Played on lots of games now, butit does feel a bit different.
You need to, I think tune into that mentally as much as you can
before the game starts. OK, even it's a bit of
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visualisation or just checking back in with how you play, what
the tempo is for 50 over cricketand obviously the how the team
wants to play. But you know, just reading
situations, reading the scoreboard, playing accordingly,
you know, 50 overs will feel like a a really long time having
played 100 cricket for the past month.
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So I think that's going to be a real key thing for, for the team
to do quickly and do well because South Africa have been
playing. Obviously if you just come off a
series in Australia, they, they beat Australia out there.
So team playing well and high onconfidence.
So we'll need to be really good at getting straight into our
work in in 50 over cricket and playing in in that way.
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to theseries actually.
You know, Southcare always bringtalent, don't they?
Like Tristan Stubbs, great player.
Rabarda, I think he's going to play just the T 20s, isn't he?
I don't think he's quite much fit for the ODIs.
But you always know they've Got Talent ready to hurt you, don't
you? With World Test Championship
fine winners, weren't they? So going to be a bit of a
challenge. Where do you see this ODI
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series? Do you feel like the T 20s are a
bit more important with the T20 World Cup in March or February
26? Yeah, I think, well, the T20
World Cup is obviously close, closer than the 50 over World
Cup obviously, but I think they're really important.
I think it's something that we've spoken about as a group is
each individual game and each individual series being so
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important and so crucial for developing the side and also
winning games of cricket. Winning games of cricket I think
is the best thing you can do as a side, Build those good habits,
knowing how to win even if you don't play well, just sort of
building that confidence and building the trust and
understanding without throughoutthe group.
I think that's time through my captaincy.
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It was like, right, All we're worried about is world events,
you know, T20 World Cup, 50 overWorld Cup.
But it's crucial that you can arrive at those events with a
settled team playing good cricket in that format.
So even though the T20 World Cupis the closer one and it's just
around the corner and it's easy to say the T 20s are going to be
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important, three ODIs against a really strong South Africa team
are are crucial and you know, game by game trying to win
series. I think that's the other big
thing as well We'd spoke about against the West Indies trying
to, you know, let's win series, let's build that confidence, get
that trust as a team and a grouptogether.
And yeah, so I think the T 20s can take a a back seat for for a
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week and we can really focus on the 50 over format.
Yeah, we've actually got a greatquestion from one of our
listeners. And I've played with you for
11-12 years, I think, and I've always wondered this and never
asked you. Georgian Basingstoke, he goes.
Jose, what's the purpose of yourshoulder Shoulder shuffle before
you face every ball? Should I be doing?
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Yeah, you can do it if you want.It makes me feel good.
But it it actually came from AI.Never used to do it.
It came from a batting session. I went to see a coach called
Gary Palmer, who has a bit of a a style of batting that he
believes in. Alistair Cook's coach.
Yeah, so Cookie actually recommended him to me.
So when we were playing the test, Cookie said, you know,
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I've been doing some work with this guy.
I think it'd be really good for you.
Gave me his number. So I got in touch and and when
and he's got, you know, some fundamentals that he believes in
and a certain style and a coupleof different coaching drills.
So a lot of players do a drill that they don't use their feet
at all, stand side on, don't useyour feet and you know, just
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work on your hands. A lot of people feel it's really
good for playing the ball late, but Gary Palmer is he believes
in a more front on way of batting.
So he actually has you doing that particular drill, but
facing straight down the Wick, so shoulders parallel down the
wicket. So you're very front on and
obviously do it. I just felt so uncomfortable
stood like that and he just saidjust relax, just shake your
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shoulders out and you know, thenwe'll get into it.
And he talked about I was reallytense so in my especially my
left shoulder. So I was doing that in this and
ever since that one bang session, I've never been able to
get rid of it. And it's just like a little tick
that's there. And if I don't do it, it feels
like something's off. And I remember in COVID,
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actually, we playing at Old Trafford and I was in the Nets.
I just nothing felt right to couldn't time the ball just felt
all at sea and it I was like, Ohmy God, I'm not shaking my
shoulder and start doing that again.
And so it's just become like a, a tick, like I've got to do it.
Otherwise I just part of your routine, routine trying to get
rid of any tension. And yeah, so that's where it
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comes from. So it was George, wasn't it?
So yeah, give it a go, George, if you feel, if you feel a bit
tense at the crease. That's quality.
I sort of wish I'd have asked that 11 years ago, might have
helped me back in a little bit. But coming up, we'll reflect on
the Hundreds finals, which were exhilarating from from time to
time, especially the eliminators.
And we're joined by Oval Invincibles captain Sam Billings
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Bill. We wanna know how are the
celebrations, mate? Yeah, great fun.
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It has a pretty late one, finished off about 5:00 this
morning, so good fun. TC had organised a decent little
place organised about a week ago, so that was one of his
priorities for the last week. So yeah, he got a couple of his
DJ mates along as well. So it was good fun celebrating
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obviously with friends and family and that's what it's
about. And obviously with all the team
there. Yeah, great fun and feeling it
today. Yeah, you seem a real tight
group then, but I think you've kept that group together pretty
well. But you seem to gel on and off
the pitch, and you know that'd be a big part of the success on
it, how close you guys are off the field.
Yeah, I think so, yeah. I think the consistency in any
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team, it just builds that trust element doesn't it, and allows
people to then play with freedomif they're not worrying about.
Especially with franchise cricket now, I think there's so
much pressure to get results instantly that people want to
change teams if you lose a couple of games here or there.
Whereas we're just going to stick to our our side and it
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might be 1 change here or there due to conditions, but that's
about it all. Managing injuries.
So it's been a big part of that.I mean Tom Moody's been the
architect of that whole environment, so a huge amount of
credit has to go to him and he'sdone it all around the world.
So I've learned a huge amount from him every single day.
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It's been an absolute pleasure kind of working alongside him.
At what stage in the final? It was quite a dominant
performance. Jackson got off to a great
start. What stage do you think this is
in the bag? This is this is done because I
must admit, watching a lot. I was commentating on the last
25 bulls. You look so stressed.
Though, but Sammy Curran, he he likes to just slow the game
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down. He forgets that we're on the
time of the whole time and you never know idea story this is
going. And as we kind of showed, as
Liam Livingston showed in a couple of games, it can quickly
change. So it's never over.
It just takes one no ball or or something like that to go wrong.
And yeah, until it until it's done, you, you never kind of
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relax fully. Yeah, I, I want to ask you about
Nathan Sowter as well. He looks like such a key part of
that team. Obviously you've had some
superstars, Rashi Khan, Adam Zampa, but he seems to perform
so well for you and obviously inthat final do you get 3 wickets
in his first 5 balls or something like that?
It's like, but he looks like he sort of sums up the team
perfectly. So you've got some star players
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and you, you know, the favourites from the start, but
he probably wouldn't be the namethat everyone was thinking
about. But he's he's performed
brilliantly well throughout it, hasn't he?
Yeah. I mean, statistically, I think
he's one of our best bowlers throughout the last five years
and amazing story really. You know, he he didn't have a
contract, got released by Middlesex, obviously moved up to
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Durham and and yeah, was really worried about actually not even
kind of playing professional cricket and moods has obviously
had him over the winter in in Dubai as well.
But amazing guy. Really, really like so pleased
for him in terms of kind of being the man of the match in a
in a massive final. And he encapsulates everything
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about our group as well. Like you said.
I mean, you look at other teams,I suppose, and you probably look
at, you know, the superstars up and down their order.
But I think with our side, bar Rashid Khan, I wouldn't say
you'd, you'd look down our side and go.
They've got 3-4 superstars, 5 superstars.
I think everyone's just a reallygood, seriously good player.
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Obviously a lot of internationalexperience, but I wouldn't say
kind of household names, if thatmakes sense.
So I think that's where sometimes with, you know,
certainly the best teams, you'renot looking at that big name
just to go, you know, if he doesn't get runs or if he
doesn't get wickets, what are wegoing to do?
It's actually, you know, we're just playing properly as a team.
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I think. So like I said, Nathan Souser,
no one would have picked. People probably would have said
why is he why is he being pickedor the balance of the side?
But as he showed, you know, thattrust that, yeah, kind of
empowering people and and putting their trust in them, you
get the best out of them. So I mean it's just interesting
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with Tom Moody, I think a brilliant bit of coaching that I
learnt from him was he pulled this out to the side.
He'd struggled in the start of the tournament a little bit and
struggling with a few nerves andhe said you're pro.
Just took him back to his process and said I don't care
how many runs you go for, but when you bowl well, how many
balls hit the stumps, The vast majority.
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And he just kind of missed his lines quite a bit.
Went back to that, that kind of simple bit of coaching.
He said even if you go for 50, Idon't care.
I want you hitting the stumps asmuch as possible.
And I think you just see that clarity and and that trust come
back into him and obviously the final.
Yeah, I mean to get Ruth Banton Army like their key batters
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through the whole tournament really to get them in what 5
balls was was diamond like gold dust for you has captain wasn't.
It Oh yeah, I was like, jeez, that makes my life a bit easier.
And then obviously Zampa to Stoyness, he didn't get him out,
but I thought that was that was a really good way.
Well, that's what we needed to do, try and get Stoyness in
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early and and David Willie as well, because they're the two
kind of key guys who who could still win it for them.
So yeah, it was kind of cracked the game open.
It was amazing bowling spell to start.
Was that your plan? You wanted Zampa to to stoyness?
They're great mates, aren't they?
Yeah, great mates and they're great names, but when they're on
the field there's plenty of niggle there as well.
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So yeah, I think there was a bitgoing on, but yeah, that was
kind of the key things. Obviously you guys know that,
you know, you want to get certain players against
obviously batters in early and and that's kind of your plan A,
to try and get as many wickets as early as possible and get
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those guys under pressure early.So yeah, that was the key thing.
We're going to kind of save Zamps a little bit later for for
storms. Jose, can I ask you just when
you're playing for the originals, playing against the
Invincibles, does it feel like astep up?
Do they feel like the best team in the tournament?
Yeah, I think they felt like thebest team in the tournament.
I think Sam's probably been a bit under playing the the star
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quality. I think they've got some
brilliant, brilliant players right throughout that lineup and
a lot of guys on the up as well actually, which I think is, you
know, Will Jax is just getting better and better.
Thought Towanda had a great tournament.
I think he looks like a serious player.
Sam Cohen looks 10 foot tall in an Oval invincible shirt.
Jordan Cox, MVP of the tournament, he was on on fire.
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So so there are some some star names and I just think you seem
like the team that's cracked the100 the most.
He's lately you've had a settledside.
Even after the first two years, he's sort of kept the same group
together. And like Sam said, maybe you've
tinked a few things here and there, but you seem to
understand the format really well.
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Everyone seems to understand their role really well.
You're not chasing anything. I think a few teams that after
poor season, then it's the there's a lot of pressure on the
draft. Never feel that there's any
pressure on the draft for the Oval guys.
If everyone seems happy and content, probably all asking for
more money, that's probably the challenge to keep all those
guys. Yeah, but it's they just seem,
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they just seem very clear and they know their roles.
Actually, one question I was going to ask you, Sam, as you
were the heavy favourites and you know you won it two years in
a row, people talking about 3 P and all this kind of did.
Is that something you talked about as a group, how you were
going to handle that expectationand sort of going for it again
or defending it or how did you sort of phrase that to the
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group? Yeah, I think it's we, we did a
moods got us all together beforethe tournament when everyone
kind of got to the hotel and it was more kind of reconnecting as
a group and and getting everyonearound.
And you'd have to send a photo in of your last year and a key
memory or a key, yeah, key moment, I suppose a highlight of
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the year. And it just talk about it a
little bit from a personal pointof view.
So that was a really cool exercise because I think it
takes it away from the cricket and and just reconnects with
with the people in the room. So that was a really nice thing,
I think. And yeah, it wasn't really
talked about. It was, it was completely get
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getting back to our process and and certainly our game plan at
The Oval. We've got absolute clarity about
how we want to go about it. Very simple.
But just kind of reconnect with that and and get the guys up to
speed who probably haven't played too much at the Oval or
the new guys around the group. So a lot of the same stuff.
It was not reinventing the wheel, but it was.
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There's so much cricket in a year, isn't there, that actually
you couldn't really remember, kind of you remember bits
obviously last year. But I mean so much has happened
in a year so it feels like a fresh start and a fresh energy.
There was a real excitement to get back into.
It we talk about fresh start, that will certainly be the case
next year with new owners comingin, potentially a new name.
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My London's been been talked about for the for the
Invincibles and an IPL style auction potentially coming in as
well. Again, there's a lot of
unknowns. Do you feel like the Oval side
will break up and there'll be a lot of differences when you're
lifting the trophy? Did you feel like, OK, this
might be the last time with thisgroup of players?
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Yeah, I think there was a lot ofchat actually before the game
yesterday. It was like, you know,
especially the guys who've been there for for five years was
like this, this, this will be the last time in those kind of
colours and the kit will be retired and it'll be an end of
an era kind of thing to. So to sign it off, yeah, would
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be fitting. And obviously thankfully getting
the job done. Yeah, it was really nice to do
that. But yeah, I think there will be
change and yeah, just kind of understanding or, or accepting
the the memories that we made over the last few years.
Yeah, very special and they'll be hard to beat I suppose.
But I mean, we're all pretty used to change nowadays in in
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the world of cricket. I think it's changed so much so
rapidly that you kind of accept and and move on.
We've got we've got no say in it.
So yeah, you crack off. Yeah, nice, Sam.
I think you look ready for your bed, mate.
So I think you've had yeah, little electrode tab and you get
yourself a good night's sleep. It'd be interesting to know how
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that woot band is saying how you're feeling so.
But yeah, 1% possible. But May, thanks so much for your
time. Congratulations again on on
another victory. And yeah, we really appreciate
you taking some time to to join us on the pod.
Over to the women's side now where Northern Superchargers
beat the Southern Brave to take the title for the first time.
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Ebony Rainford Brent has been catching up with their England
spinner Lindsay Smith. All right, Lindsay, I was.
I would love to see that you're sat in your kit right now,
clearly with your medal around your neck.
Have you actually been to bed? Is the question.
I have been to bed, Yeah, to be fair, I'm not going to lie, I
have just woken up from a nap. I've made it to bed.
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I made it home safe. Can't wipe the smile off my face
yet. So yeah, it's not quite sunk in,
but yeah, it's a great feeling. Amazing.
Well look first of all, congratulations, winning the 100
for the first time with the Superchargers is amazing, but
forget the cricket for a second,I'm more interested in what goes
on in the night out. So was it a big big one?
Who? And I always love to know as
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well, who's the party animal? So who's going to be the last
dancing on the table? And who's the 1st to bed with
the hot chocolate? To be fair, I think actually
everyone gave it a good nudge last night.
Yeah, it was a bit of an early morning actually.
I think I last looked at my phone at about half five.
So it's actually a personal bestfor me and I'm sure a few of the
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girls. But yeah, it was obviously just
a a great day and a great night and one that, you know, you want
to soak up forever and not really want to finish.
But yeah, everyone stuck together.
Kate Croft was there, I think till the end, you know, everyone
was out and it was just a reallyspecial time to obviously share
it with all the girls and saw some of the brave girls as well,
which was nice. But yeah, just a great night.
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And I'm assuming that medal did the rounds as well.
Did it? Did it follow you everywhere
last night? Yeah, absolutely.
That came everywhere. That was a must.
I had to stay in full kit as well.
So just, you know, parading around London online bikes in
full kit. So sorry if anyone saw a purple
Brigade out last night, but thatwas a fair few of us.
I'd love to get your feelings onthe reason for your success this
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year as a side. You know, actually if you look,
I was looking back at the history and many years you
haven't progressed or, you know,really got to this stage, but it
seemed like it clicked what was working.
Yeah, I mean, like you said, obviously I've been at
Superchargers since it started now and it's always been a
really special group. And I think that's what what
really brought us together this year.
We've not had too many changes. Obviously we brought in Lisa,
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which was a breath of fresh air as well.
Obviously we were great with Danny.
But yeah, I think Lisa obviouslyjust came in and fully embraced
it, tried not to change too muchbecause obviously Holly and the
group as well have just set a real good environment that we've
had. And obviously we got close a
couple of years ago, lost in thefinal.
But I think it's just been really special.
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The whole group, you know, everyone gets on.
It's a real hard working environment and everyone enjoys
each other's success. What about your game this year?
Obviously 7 wickets for yourself, you're always whizzing
around in the field, but did youfeel that you enjoyed how you
contributed as well? It was a it was definitely a
different year for me. I think my role definitely
changed. Obviously I'm fortunate that we
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lost Georgia Wareham after a couple of games and you know, to
only really then have one spinner throughout the rest of
the games was obviously just changed my role a bit.
I didn't do too much bowling in the power play, which is
something that I had to kind of negotiate around.
But yeah, I think I was speakingto the bowling coach yesterday
actually. Like I'm obviously delighted
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that that we won the tournament,but I didn't feel like I hugely
impacted games where I'd want to, but sure reassured me I did.
All right. So yeah, it was, it was good.
Worth saying as well. Georgia Wareham seemed to make
it everywhere with you. I saw the cardboard cut out on
the stage. Whose idea was that?
Obviously Kate crosses. You know who else but Kate
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Cross, right? Let's talk about your overseas
players. I mean, you've got a serious
high quality lot in the likes ofPhoebe Litchfield.
I mean so young and talented, Annabelle Sutherland that all
round. And then Nicola Carey.
What was their impact like having those three key Aussies
in your in your side? Yeah, Massive.
Obviously we had the head bows in Lich last year and we know
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how how world class they are. Unbelievable players.
And also off the pitch, I think in meetings and stuff and, and
the inputs that they give and the way that they get around the
group and and you know, help theyoungsters as well, even when
they are so young themselves. Yeah, they just add so much
value. And obviously on the pitch it's
it's just ridiculous. I think the amount of times I
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watched Lich bat this year and Iwas like, Oh my goodness, I've
got a bowl at her soon. Like this is going to be fun.
But yeah, they've both again been absolutely outstanding for
us. Is this for you your best year
in cricket? I'm thinking, and obviously I'm
thinking about to 2018. I remember seeing you in the T20
World Cup making your debut. This year you get FIFA in your
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ODI debut, you've won the 100, you're in the squad going to the
50 over World Cup. Where does this rank for you at
the moment? Yeah, I was actually thinking
about this this morning because I guess, you know, when you're
in it and the season's so hectic, you don't really have
that time to just sit down and take it all in.
But I think obviously, yeah, it's it's been an amazing year
for me. I'm delighted with how it's
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going so far. Obviously the India series just
gone. Previously I didn't impact as
much as I want to and didn't play as as well as I know I
could. So coming into the 100 hours, a
bit long confidence and, you know, just wanted to put things
right again. But overall, like, yeah, the
year's been amazing. I think, you know, winning this
100 just tops it off because like you say, I've been there
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for the 5th year now and and it's something we've really
worked hard as a squad to do. But yeah, I think now just a
couple of weeks off and then look to go again.
Obviously massive World Cup coming up, which is really
exciting. We'll see first fifty over World
Cup as well. So yeah, hopefully the good
stuff continues. It comes so quickly, doesn't it?
I was thinking you're gonna haveto sleep off the hangover and
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then, you know, prep start soon for the World Cup, India as
well, spinning conditions. Does that get you excited?
And and you know, I know you don't want to think too far
ahead yet with the head recovering, but have you started
to even think about that prospect?
No, not yet. Not yet.
I think I'll probably just take a few days to, you know, come
down from this massive high and and yeah, settle back in to
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actually enjoying some time at home, which has been rare this
year. But yeah, obviously then we we
go to Abu Dhabi and literally not a lot of time at all.
So it's a quick turn around. But yeah, just look to use this
time to reset and then be ready to and fresh to go again.
I was just reflecting on your career.
So you're not a young pup anymore.
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You're now 30. But you're also, you know,
you've got a long career ahead of you.
And I'm just thinking about the,the width of your career.
There's years where you know, you're out of the England fold,
you're now back, you've just wonthe 100 and you're going off to
a World Cup. Where, where do you feel you are
in your career? Do you feel like a senior
player? Do you feel still establishing?
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You know, where would you assessyourself and how you feel?
Yeah, it's a bit of a strange one really because obviously I
spent a lot of time, I made my debut in 2018 and then spent a
lot of time away from the England stuff.
And yeah, I spoke about previously about wanting to give
it up and stuff. But I think obviously coming
back into it and, and being fresh and being in a much better
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mindset for me, like I'm just absolutely loving it.
And I feel like a 21 year old again.
But I think I still obviously have a lot of learning to do on
international cricket and, and different teams and different I
guess conditions. But it all just really excites
me. And I think, you know, if you've
got that passion and that hunger, then you can keep going
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like no matter what. And I think I've got some great
spinners around me in the squad as well, which is really
exciting. And we kind of push each other
on. Obviously Sarah Glenn's come
back into the squad now, which Ithink, you know, she's massively
earned that because she's had a brilliant few months.
So yeah, it's just it's really good competition and can only
help us all improve. And you're seeing lots of
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younger players come in as well.Have to talk about Davina in
that innings in the eliminator. What's it been like having some
of that young, fresh energy and seeing players like her kick on?
Yeah, it's it's brilliant. Honestly, that day was just
unbelief was so happy for her. I think this year she's really
come out of her shell a bit more.
And yeah, she's she's pretty young and sometimes she talks in
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lingo that you don't quite understand and you're like, oh
wow, you really are 18. And I'm sure my age now, but
yeah, that day for her obviouslyto have her family as well was,
was really special and it was unbelievable.
I don't think it will sink him for her for a long time, but
yeah, it was. Unbelievable.
Amazing. Well, look, I'm going to let you
go before I do. Just like as veterans, me and
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Ish didn't when we party, when we won something, we didn't
finish after one night. Come on, you've got to be
backing this up. You done, you done.
Are you one night and done or are you going to keep this going
for a few days? I think I've won that and done
now. I'm an old girl, aren't I?
So we'll see. We'll see.
All right, well, Lindsay, look, you've been amazing.
It's been fabulous to watch. I'm loving seeing your career
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kick on and make sure you enjoy the celebrations and of course
enjoy the World Cup. Thank you.
I'll keep this on for one more night.
Thank you. Lindsay Smith with ebbs there.
Jose Superchargers. Worthy winners, you think?
Yeah, I think so. I think I'm still sort of blown
away by that Davina Perry knock on at the Oval the night before
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the final. I thought, what a moment for for
a young girl to go out there andplay that way.
And I think it's one of the bestmoments of the 100 in its five
years so far. You you think so?
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I, I just think what was
amazing about that innings age, she's 18, which, you know, so
young talked about as a good prospect, but she's got an
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amazing ability to find the gap.You know, that's such an art as
a as a batter to particularly through the offside finds the
gap, but the power she can hit sixes down the ground.
It can change the women's game going forward.
Actually, you know that a lot ofthe time they're looking at at
sweeps or or scoops, but actually the power to hit down
the ground against the spinners is is pretty crucial and quite
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different. So, you know, 18 years old.
We talked to Evans in me a couple of weeks ago, came
through the ACE programme. Is it too early to talk about
England? Yes, there's a World Cup in
October. Straight end, straight throwing.
It's probably a patience get, but then there's AT20 World Cup
in England next summer, but no games in between to get her in
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for that either. So it's a bit of a tricky one.
But she's hugely talented. But you also don't want to just
throw someone in a deep end and and sort of ruin their progress,
I suppose. But I don't know, you look at in
the men's game that yourself, Rudy, Jimmy Stokes, they all got
in early. They all got into the system
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early into playing for England. Get a taste of what
international cricket's like. So I'll be huge.
I wouldn't be tempted for this 50 Oval Cup.
The squad's been named, but I'd be hugely tempted for for next
summer because she's been, she'sbeen awesome.
And that that knock, I mean the Oval to me, best place to watch
cricket, best place to commentate.
I'm sure it's the best place to play because the pitch is just
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beautiful, quick outfield, entertaining the crowd go wild.
So it was great. But it was actually, you know,
she was brilliant at the top of the audit.
But Phoebe Litchfield, don't know how much you saw of her
batting at at 3. The Aussie 22 year old
superstar. My goodness me, she we talked
was it last week or week before about the goats of of the
women's game 10 years time. We'll be talking about her.
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She is a she is a different level, different style of play.
You can see why Australia just win everything because they
create players like that. And I think it's Northern
Superchargers. You want 2-3 brilliant players
to go and win short format trophies normally, but they've
they've got a lot of bases covered.
So I think I think they did deserve it.
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But Phoebe Litchfield, do you see much of her in the
tournament? No.
Am I right and say Phoebe Litchfield?
It's like amazing at the reversehit, am I?
Yeah. So actually.
Actually hit one to win a game. Reverse hit one straight over
long. Yeah, they were playing before
we played in the men's game. And later she was, yeah, out
there in the middle reeling off these reverse hits, which are
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incredible power that she's creating.
And yeah, which I think is one of the things I've noticed in
the women's game actually this year, especially the more power
that's coming into it. Like I said, there's Davina
being able to smash straight sixes that, you know, the
reverse hit that Phoebe Litchfield plays.
The the power they're getting onthe ball is, you know, I think
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let's say the the growth of the game and where how the women are
developing their own games is isfantastic to see.
And I think you're right about the Oval as well.
I think the Oval, it's probably the best of the 100 at the at
the moment. I think let's say the wicket
produces some great cricket, notjust batting.
I think the the ball is always in play and you know they're
filling out what, 25,000? What I would say on the 100 as a
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whole, before we get on to picking our players of the
tournament in the in the men's and women's, for me, the
pitches, I'm going to sound old here.
I'm 39, I'm allowed a little whinge on the odd occasion.
The pitches wow me up. I just think what's the IPL
amazing at? Amazing at entertainment 6
hitting, quick outfields. Bowlers stand out because
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they're exceptional. I thought the pitches were a let
down if I'm honest and that's not a dig at the groundsman.
I think certain teams asked for tired pitches to bring them
closer to to different teams. Trent Bridge my home.
Love the place. Best white ball pitch in the
world. I would suggest Jose, you've had
some brilliant. Time used to be.
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It used to be but but the Rockets are asking for slow low
snot heaps because they know they're bowling attack isn't
particularly strong. So they make worse pitches to to
bring their bowlers a little bitmore into it and to ultimately
to bring their team more into itand make it to the final.
But it's really boring and really unentertaining for for
the supporters. So I would suggest with this
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revamp that the tournament take control of the pitches like an
ICC tournament does. You get to a World Cup.
The home team doesn't choose thepitch.
The ICC control the pitches. I would suggest that the 100
competition takes control of thesurfaces and say, do you know
what? The Oval, Leeds, they're the
benchmark. We want flat pitches.
Great. Now I'm retired and bowling
great. I can say flat pitches, small
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boundaries, I'm joking, the small bench.
But we want true pitches that bounce and batters can strike
the ball cleanly. No one wants to watch 100 off
100 balls inside, edging 90% of the balls.
Do you know what I mean? So that's the only tweak I'd
make. That's my moan over happy days.
Move on. But player of the tournament,
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men and women, you have one. I'll have one.
Yeah, get yourself a glass of wine, mate.
Just calm down for the, I'm going to say Jordan Cox.
I thought he had a brilliant tournament.
I know he was the MVP but yeah, he's the obvious one for me.
I thought. I thought the whole invincible
side were excellent and they allstood up at different times, but
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he was incredibly consistent. I think the innings, especially
against the Welsh Fire, was 80 odd off 2930 balls.
Whatever it was, was amazing andjust whose confidence I thought
throughout the throughout the tournament he played all round
the ground. He's got the power be.
It was brilliant off the back foot hooking ball is stepping
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across, picking the ball up, reverse ramps the lot.
So yeah, he's he's the clear onefor me and you know, in the
winning team as well. So any take on that who have any
honourable mentions or is it just Jordan Cox is the clear
one? Sorry, I haven't let it go yet.
I'm just looking back to that pitch thing.
Jordan Cox, I'm just on that pitch.
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Did you not play 4 games on the same pitch?
Yeah, we did. Which is 8 games obviously.
But yeah, come on, men and women, who's your MVPS?
Honourable mention to Sonny Baker just in the fact that
young bowler good pace has has moved the ball nicely and and
used almost. I know the England had an eye on
him but has used the 100 as a stepping board to get into the
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England side, which I think is what these tournaments are, are
brilliant for they they give youexposure in front of big crowds,
bowling under pressure. So delighted to see him do
really well. And then where the Three Lions
I'm going to go. Sam Curran.
Actually Jordan Cox was amazing.I hadn't seen much of him before
that. Some of the striking was was
outrageous. But I think Sam's, we had him on
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the pod a couple of weeks ago. He's really focused on what he's
looking to. He's not in any England side.
He knows he wants to get back there.
He loves playing for England. He's a player that likes the
pressure and he delivered with bat and ball.
Again. He always plays in the pressure
moments. And that partnership where they
won against the Trent Rockets athome when our win predictor was
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saying something like 93% Trent Rockets and they just went
ballistic. He led that.
And I'm going to say he was my men's player of the tournament.
And Phoebe Litchfield along withAnnabelle Sutherland at the
Northern Superchargers, Phoebe Litchfield, just, you know,
those reverse hits, the way she the way she leads that batting
group, phenomenal. But I also do want to mention
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Lauren Bell because she got 50 wickets in the Hundred overall.
I think it was 19 wickets in thetournament.
Tall sort of in swing bowler forthe Southern Brave wicket taker,
natural wicket taker with the new ball can come on at the the
latter end. Key player for England.
I think she's been brilliant. And I just love seeing young or
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or any England player, but youngEnglish players thrive in our
domestic domestic tours because ultimately that's what they're
there for. So do you know what I didn't?
I wasn't thrilled, exhilarated, buzzing with the 100 this year.
It was it was, it was fine. I think the Oven Invisibles were
in the men's side were the best team, but you know, ultimately a
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lot of change is coming. I think that's quite exciting
actually. I know there's a bit of
negativity around that but I think it's quite exciting
bringing in new investors, new teams, new colours and see what
comes. Yeah, I think it'll go from
strength to strength. I think it's it's been brilliant
up to this point and now I thinkit can go even further.
So yeah, I'm really excited to to see what happens.
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Before we go, Jose, a bit of a story coming out of Australia
that's gathering a bit of pace. Back injury to the Australian
captain Pat Cummings, who's sucha crucial player for that group
leading into the Ashes only a couple of months away.
I don't know the source, I don'tknow where it's come from.
I've seen it on social media, soit could be absolute drivel.
But what do you make of it? So as an England fan, I'm sure
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you'd be open. It's it's true.
Obviously you never want to see anyone injured and it'd be a
shame if he's he's not fit, but who knows about that.
But obviously it's if it was true be a huge blow, wouldn't it
for for Australia, He's as captain Talisman, you know, one
of the best bowlers in the world.
But yeah, so both, both captainsgot some injuries then Stokesy
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and and potentially Pat Cummings.
So I'm sure both we sort of wrapped up in in cotton wool,
won't they until the start of that that series.
I think you won. Best against the best, best
against the best, that's what. You want to see the best be the
best and we want England to go there and win with against
Australia's best team. So yeah, we hope that Pat will
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be fit and England will still win.
That's the that's the hope. But yeah, and back injuries,
obviously always a bit of a worry for bowlers probably.
Yeah, they are, they're difficult.
Depends what it is. If it's obviously a stress
fracture which he suffered from when he was a youngster, they're
they're really difficult and do take recovery time.
Disc problems are really uncomfortable, but spasms and
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and facet joints can be manoeuvred into a way that you
can, you can look after them. So yeah, they're a problem
because ultimately when you talkabout back injuries that affects
your hamstrings, it affects sucha a controlling part of the fast
bowlers body. Yeah, be worrying for for the
Australians, but you know, his his fitness record has been
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incredible in the last 7-8 years.
So I'm, I'm sure they will get him right for, for Perth on what
is that the 2020 first I think of of November.
So yeah, but we should stick with the Aussies actually,
because what a reaction we've had from our pod, from Justin
Langa last week. He was awesome, wasn't he?
I didn't quite know what to expect.
I'd never really spent any time with him apart from the odd chat
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as he's been Australian head coach, but he was really
engaging wasn't he? He was brilliant, Yeah, I've
known JL for for a bit of time, obviously back at Somerset and
come across him. But yeah, he's he's amazing.
I mean, we've had 100,000 pub views and lessons, some press
articles, social views. And my favorite comment on the
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whole thing is from the Cotswolds gentleman who said I
always thought he was a bit of aDick, but what a great guest,
which is awesome. So, but now he was, he was
great. He told great stories.
He gave us huge insight into hisworld, into Australian cricket.
He welcomed you to the brotherhood, which I'm I'm sure
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you are feeling very at ease with now when you when you get
over to to Australia. So we had a few comments about
that being part of the brothers.I I have a few comments, yeah,
I'm not 100% sure what it means yet, but as long as it involves
good commentary, couple of beers, glass of red and golf,
I'll be pretty happy with that Ithink.
But I mean our socials got over a million hits which is
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1,000,000 views which is pretty special.
Mitch Tomlin on Spotify said about the Langer interview.
Absolutely brilliant. Langer is a proper tough, no
nonsense player coach and seems an amazing man too.
Not many Aussies come across that well, so that's that's
pretty cool. That's cool and Stax Barrett
from Perth JL is a true Aussie and WA legend.
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Great chat you guys and favoritemoment from that has to be for
me. Jack Shantry wasn't it?
Have you seen Jack Shantry anywhere umpiring?
Well, I actually I got a bit starstruck at the final, the
Hundred final. We got the team sheets come
through for the women's game andI'm on with NASA Rasain's
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leading and I'm colour for the the start of the game.
So the fireworks are all kickingoff Boom, boom, boom.
So I go down and I'm checking the teams.
I look at the bottom umpire, Jack Chantry, and he's walking
out through the fireworks and sort of trying to high 5
mascots. That went anyway, but I was a
little bit starstruck by that. That's, that's, that's the Jack
Chantry, that's the langar Jack Chantry.
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That was that was that was my favorite story and I think
because it was so authentic coming from you being were your
12th man as well, like listeningto it and engaging with it.
And also that we just to say we love Jack Shantry and I'll give
him a little. He was always one of Marcus
Truscothic's, you know, nightmare bowlers.
He hated him as well. So Langner and Truscothic, who
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couldn't handle Jack Shantry, which I think should be a great
thing for him, and just staying in this Australian theme, Alyssa
Healey is backing you broadly, she said on her podcast last
week. I think the Aussies will end up
falling in love with him, sadly.What do you make of that?
She ruined it a bit with the sadly, didn't she?
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Why does she need the sadly? Just just just leave it him just
him done. Not sadly, but yeah, I actually
listened to the the guys podcast.
It's made-up mind in Australia. I might try and get on that
show. I I quite enjoy what they talk
about. Brad Haddon was an unbelievable
competitor. Just one of those blokes just
you just didn't want walking in at at #7 with the game online,
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just sort of found a way to looked a bit ugly at times.
Although he's a bit of a show pony, but he he just found a way
to to get it done. Lots of talk of Australia
broadly going on tour there, butwhat about before Australia also
going on another tour, aren't you?
I am actually, yes, I've, I'm doing 10 theatres around the UK
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which I'm really excited about. I did a few last year, I think 6
or 7, so going to different venues sort of my career, but
around the Ashes, loads of different stories about
Australia. So it's great timing with with
the Ashes coming up. I think we all think as England
fans that this might be our bestchance since 2010 eleven.
So those are different anecdotesand stories about Ashes Cricket
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and my experiences, which actually when I was writing the
show were more than I thought, like a lot of drama was sort of
created around Ashes Cricket andmy career.
So it's a lot of fun. It's very relaxed for all ages,
you know, from young kids to to older people who who love their
cricket. So yeah, should should be a lot
of fun. Probably check the easiest way.
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Probably check out my Instagram for for where we're going and
and where you can grab tickets. Sounds great.
I'm sure we can throw in a little competition.
We'll have a little think of something when a few tickets to
come and see broadly in action. That sounds great.
Unlike you Jose, offering thingsthat you've not mentioned
before, was it 10% on the wines you offered out early?
5 percent, 10% broadly will giveyou free tickets.
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Anyone get in this? Meeting great there as well if
you. Meeting great, they'll let you
know where he's staying as well.Yeah getting his DMS, but that
sounds great. I think as not to big you up,
but you you did pretty well in Ash's cricket, so I'm sure
there'll be some some good stories there and you knows,
maybe next year we can team up for a for a love of cricket
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tour. Brody.
Who knows? But he's offering everything out
again. Here he is.
Yeah, actually, let's don't do that.
We're we're we're eight podcastsin and we're going on tour.
Yeah, I feel like it's going well, but who knows?
Anyway, that's probably all we've got time for this week.
Yeah, we'll cut you off there. Let's get rid of him.
That's all Jose. He's got time for this week.
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Kick him well.
It was a pretty late one, finished off about 5:00 this
morning. Little Electro tab and you get
yourself a good night's sleep. Have you actually been to bed?
Is the question. I have been to bed.
Yeah, to be fair, I'm not going to lie, I have just work a lot
from a nap. I think it's one of the best
moments of the 100 in it's five years so far for a young girl to
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go out there and play that way. I wasn't thrilled, exhilarated,
buzzing with the 100 this year. What's the IPL amazing at?
Amazing at entertainment 6 hitting.
I always thought he was a bit ofa Dick, but what a great guest.
It's the start of September, thekids are back at school and Josh
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Butler, he's back in England camp.
Jose, good to see you. My ODI series against Africa
starting this week. Good to be back.
Yeah, great to be back. It's always a honour to get the
the England kit out and get backamongst the group.
Obviously a really exciting series.
South Africa have been playing some really good cricket so I'm
going to be a really big challenge against them and yeah,
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it's just nice to be nice to be back.
So the the 100th final was Sunday.
When did you guys meet up as an ODI group?
Yes, a bit in drips and drabs tobe honest.
So I came up Saturday night, we had our first training on
Sunday, but obviously the guys who've been involved with the
100, the Northern Superchargers guys, so the captain Brookie was
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training on Monday, but the guyswho'd obviously been involved in
the final, Joe Root, Will Jacks,Saqib Mahmood, I'm sure Tom
Banton, don't miss anyone, I'm sure I have.
But now they haven't had any training.
So they'll be, you know, straight into the game on
Tuesday. There's a reason I asked this
question. Any awkward handshakes when the
guys arrived or? Do you know what?
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No, no awkward handshakes. Haven't seen there's a lot of
love in the group. There's I think you know, Baz
sets the tone pretty well, doesn't he?
That's his forte's good with people.
He's in his handshakes. There's big hugs.
So haven't noticed any to be honest.
Always got my out. Actually the last 100 game I
played I was I had to do at BBC interview after the game.
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And so you sort of like go in mid interview.
So it's like handshakes on the way in.
There's Finney, Carlos Brathwaite, Alex Hartley, and it
was all I could think about. The whole interview is how am I
going to get out of this becauseit will still be live without
getting an awkward handshake. So I just tried to ignore people
really and just walk straight off.
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But. It's completely swarmed my brain
as well as anytime we interview someone, I'm thinking, right,
I'm going to hold the microphonethat obviously that I'm
definitely not going to shake a hand, but I have just whatsapped
you a little video that I recorded off the TV.
That's not me, is it? With Ravindra, you got your 50
for the originals. Now what I want to know.
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You go for a little sort of handshakey, fist pump, grabby
thing. Did you think about us on the
pods? Did you think about the
listeners, the viewers, as this moment happened, do?
You know what, I don't think I did, but I think personally I
was a bit like just walking backto scratch and right like, oh,
that was awkward, wasn't it? Do you know what happened though
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is because it's coming through the IPL is it used to be a fist
bump in the middle, then it's now tap the bat and the fist
bump with Ratchet. We were, you know, going for the
back tap then the the punch likeit was all good.
And then that particular shot togo to a 50I just thought, you
know, same again, surely like tap and fist bump.
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But obviously I think he's congratulating me on going to
50. I was a bit sort of unsure where
I probably knew I was around 50,but I didn't.
I don't know. I didn't feel like it needed the
handshake, but it obviously did.And your sharp eye has managed
to just catch, that's all. I look out.
For if I'm honest, so when I'm commentating I'm just looking
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out for, for awkward handshakes.It's shocking.
I feel like when you're in batting partnerships, Graham
Swan and Chris Reed, my Nottinghamshire team mates would
never fist pump ever, ever, ever.
Nothing. Now getting to the the England
side, Sonny Baker you've played with, but a few of the guys
won't have played with. He's going to play for England
this week. How did he find out?
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Is it sort of just a WhatsApp group or did Baz pull pull him
aside? No, I think Baz would have gone
and let him know. Haven't haven't had that
conversation with him. Actually.
It'd been nice to find out because he was so excited when
he got the phone call to be picked in the squad and we
talked about how he thought he was getting pranked called or
something by a number he didn't recognise.
But he's such a he's a real lovable character.
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He's got a great attitude. So he would have been so
made-up, I'm sure as when Baz told him that he's going to be
playing. So it would have been really
cool to see cool moment for him to talk about.
And I think just you know what awhat a month he's had, you know,
from the original stuff, taking the new ball, swinging it round,
bowling really well at guys's put his name up in lights, then
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selected for a squad and now, you know, playing the first game
of the series against top South Africa side.
It's great month for him and just really excited for him.
He's he seems to have taken everything so far in his stride.
And obviously you you know exactly what it's like to take
the new ball for England. So he's going to yeah, I think
it's going to be great to see him go about his business in an
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England shirt. He.
Has opportunities in the bowlinggroup.
Test match side, one day side probably the batting side.
Looks batting line up for England.
Looks really strong. I mean Jack C Will Jacks at
7:00. Almost like moulding him into a
bit of a finisher. I know he opens the batting a
lot in franchise cricket, but fine players have at 7 isn't he?
Yeah, absolutely. Obviously opens the batting in,
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in most of the cricket he's played.
So I think it's been a great sort of feather in his cap to
have played so well against the West Indies in this role at 7,
which would be quite foreign to him really from anything else
that he's he's done in his career so far.
So I think you know a lot of credit to him for adapting to
that role and and taking it on. Obviously bowls some handy off
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spin as well. So it's a you really balances
your side, gives you that extra batting.
I think it's always have talked about these players like that,
Stokes, Callus. These guys are just balance
teams so brilliantly and give you a long batting line up.
So having guys who can bowl likeJacks and Jacob Bathel when
you're top seven gives you a lotof options and a lot of depth.
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It's obviously something that Brookie's sort of highlighted.
He likes to have a long batting line up and he backs himself
with the three seamers and spinners to to, you know, mix it
up and be really effective with the ball.
Talk us through how you you go about adapting your game a
little bit. So you've had a month of 100, so
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you've sort of got to go really.If you have 4 dot balls you you
feel a bit of pressure coming into 50 over cricket.
Joe Roux played Sunday in the Hundred final, he's going to
play Tuesday in A50 over game. Just has to be a mental shift.
Yeah, it does. And I don't think it's easy and
I think if you can accept that straight away, that probably
helps. Just to not expect it to feel
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perfect and, and that's a bit how I'm feeling.
Just, you know, it might take mea bit of time to just get used
to it, but that's going to be OK.
Obviously I've got some good experience to call on.
Played on lots of games now, butit does feel a bit different.
You need to, I think tune into that mentally as much as you can
before the game starts. OK, even it's a bit of
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visualisation or just checking back in with how you play, what
the tempo is for 50 over cricketand obviously the how the team
wants to play. But you know, just reading
situations, reading the scoreboard, playing accordingly,
you know, 50 overs will feel like a a really long time having
played 100 cricket for the past month.
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So I think that's going to be a real key thing for, for the team
to do quickly and do well because South Africa have been
playing. Obviously if you just come off a
series in Australia, they, they beat Australia out there.
So team playing well and high onconfidence.
So we'll need to be really good at getting straight into our
work in in 50 over cricket and playing in in that way.
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to theseries actually.
You know, Southcare always bringtalent, don't they?
Like Tristan Stubbs, great player.
Rabarda, I think he's going to play just the T 20s, isn't he?
I don't think he's quite much fit for the ODIs.
But you always know they've Got Talent ready to hurt you, don't
you? With World Test Championship
fine winners, weren't they? So going to be a bit of a
challenge. Where do you see this ODI
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series? Do you feel like the T 20s are a
bit more important with the T20 World Cup in March or February
26? Yeah, I think, well, the T20
World Cup is obviously close, closer than the 50 over World
Cup obviously, but I think they're really important.
I think it's something that we've spoken about as a group is
each individual game and each individual series being so
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important and so crucial for developing the side and also
winning games of cricket. Winning games of cricket I think
is the best thing you can do as a side, Build those good habits,
knowing how to win even if you don't play well, just sort of
building that confidence and building the trust and
understanding without throughoutthe group.
I think that's time through my captaincy.
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It was like, right, All we're worried about is world events,
you know, T20 World Cup, 50 overWorld Cup.
But it's crucial that you can arrive at those events with a
settled team playing good cricket in that format.
So even though the T20 World Cupis the closer one and it's just
around the corner and it's easy to say the T 20s are going to be
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important, three ODIs against a really strong South Africa team
are are crucial and you know, game by game trying to win
series. I think that's the other big
thing as well We'd spoke about against the West Indies trying
to, you know, let's win series, let's build that confidence, get
that trust as a team and a grouptogether.
And yeah, so I think the T 20s can take a a back seat for for a
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week and we can really focus on the 50 over format.
Yeah, we've actually got a greatquestion from one of our
listeners. And I've played with you for
11-12 years, I think, and I've always wondered this and never
asked you. Georgian Basingstoke, he goes.
Jose, what's the purpose of yourshoulder Shoulder shuffle before
you face every ball? Should I be doing?
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Yeah, you can do it if you want.It makes me feel good.
But it it actually came from AI.Never used to do it.
It came from a batting session. I went to see a coach called
Gary Palmer, who has a bit of a a style of batting that he
believes in. Alistair Cook's coach.
Yeah, so Cookie actually recommended him to me.
So when we were playing the test, Cookie said, you know,
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I've been doing some work with this guy.
I think it'd be really good for you.
Gave me his number. So I got in touch and and when
and he's got, you know, some fundamentals that he believes in
and a certain style and a coupleof different coaching drills.
So a lot of players do a drill that they don't use their feet
at all, stand side on, don't useyour feet and you know, just
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work on your hands. A lot of people feel it's really
good for playing the ball late, but Gary Palmer is he believes
in a more front on way of batting.
So he actually has you doing that particular drill, but
facing straight down the Wick, so shoulders parallel down the
wicket. So you're very front on and
obviously do it. I just felt so uncomfortable
stood like that and he just saidjust relax, just shake your
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shoulders out and you know, thenwe'll get into it.
And he talked about I was reallytense so in my especially my
left shoulder. So I was doing that in this and
ever since that one bang session, I've never been able to
get rid of it. And it's just like a little tick
that's there. And if I don't do it, it feels
like something's off. And I remember in COVID,
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actually, we playing at Old Trafford and I was in the Nets.
I just nothing felt right to couldn't time the ball just felt
all at sea and it I was like, Ohmy God, I'm not shaking my
shoulder and start doing that again.
And so it's just become like a, a tick, like I've got to do it.
Otherwise I just part of your routine, routine trying to get
rid of any tension. And yeah, so that's where it
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comes from. So it was George, wasn't it?
So yeah, give it a go, George, if you feel, if you feel a bit
tense at the crease. That's quality.
I sort of wish I'd have asked that 11 years ago, might have
helped me back in a little bit. But coming up, we'll reflect on
the Hundreds finals, which were exhilarating from from time to
time, especially the eliminators.
And we're joined by Oval Invincibles captain Sam Billings
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Bill. We wanna know how are the
celebrations, mate? Yeah, great fun.
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It has a pretty late one, finished off about 5:00 this
morning, so good fun. TC had organised a decent little
place organised about a week ago, so that was one of his
priorities for the last week. So yeah, he got a couple of his
DJ mates along as well. So it was good fun celebrating
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obviously with friends and family and that's what it's
about. And obviously with all the team
there. Yeah, great fun and feeling it
today. Yeah, you seem a real tight
group then, but I think you've kept that group together pretty
well. But you seem to gel on and off
the pitch, and you know that'd be a big part of the success on
it, how close you guys are off the field.
Yeah, I think so, yeah. I think the consistency in any
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team, it just builds that trust element doesn't it, and allows
people to then play with freedomif they're not worrying about.
Especially with franchise cricket now, I think there's so
much pressure to get results instantly that people want to
change teams if you lose a couple of games here or there.
Whereas we're just going to stick to our our side and it
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might be 1 change here or there due to conditions, but that's
about it all. Managing injuries.
So it's been a big part of that.I mean Tom Moody's been the
architect of that whole environment, so a huge amount of
credit has to go to him and he'sdone it all around the world.
So I've learned a huge amount from him every single day.
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It's been an absolute pleasure kind of working alongside him.
At what stage in the final? It was quite a dominant
performance. Jackson got off to a great
start. What stage do you think this is
in the bag? This is this is done because I
must admit, watching a lot. I was commentating on the last
25 bulls. You look so stressed.
Though, but Sammy Curran, he he likes to just slow the game
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down. He forgets that we're on the
time of the whole time and you never know idea story this is
going. And as we kind of showed, as
Liam Livingston showed in a couple of games, it can quickly
change. So it's never over.
It just takes one no ball or or something like that to go wrong.
And yeah, until it until it's done, you, you never kind of
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relax fully. Yeah, I, I want to ask you about
Nathan Sowter as well. He looks like such a key part of
that team. Obviously you've had some
superstars, Rashi Khan, Adam Zampa, but he seems to perform
so well for you and obviously inthat final do you get 3 wickets
in his first 5 balls or something like that?
It's like, but he looks like he sort of sums up the team
perfectly. So you've got some star players
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and you, you know, the favourites from the start, but
he probably wouldn't be the namethat everyone was thinking
about. But he's he's performed
brilliantly well throughout it, hasn't he?
Yeah. I mean, statistically, I think
he's one of our best bowlers throughout the last five years
and amazing story really. You know, he he didn't have a
contract, got released by Middlesex, obviously moved up to
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Durham and and yeah, was really worried about actually not even
kind of playing professional cricket and moods has obviously
had him over the winter in in Dubai as well.
But amazing guy. Really, really like so pleased
for him in terms of kind of being the man of the match in a
in a massive final. And he encapsulates everything
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about our group as well. Like you said.
I mean, you look at other teams,I suppose, and you probably look
at, you know, the superstars up and down their order.
But I think with our side, bar Rashid Khan, I wouldn't say
you'd, you'd look down our side and go.
They've got 3-4 superstars, 5 superstars.
I think everyone's just a reallygood, seriously good player.
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Obviously a lot of internationalexperience, but I wouldn't say
kind of household names, if thatmakes sense.
So I think that's where sometimes with, you know,
certainly the best teams, you'renot looking at that big name
just to go, you know, if he doesn't get runs or if he
doesn't get wickets, what are wegoing to do?
It's actually, you know, we're just playing properly as a team.
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I think. So like I said, Nathan Souser,
no one would have picked. People probably would have said
why is he why is he being pickedor the balance of the side?
But as he showed, you know, thattrust that, yeah, kind of
empowering people and and putting their trust in them, you
get the best out of them. So I mean it's just interesting
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with Tom Moody, I think a brilliant bit of coaching that I
learnt from him was he pulled this out to the side.
He'd struggled in the start of the tournament a little bit and
struggling with a few nerves andhe said you're pro.
Just took him back to his process and said I don't care
how many runs you go for, but when you bowl well, how many
balls hit the stumps, The vast majority.
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And he just kind of missed his lines quite a bit.
Went back to that, that kind of simple bit of coaching.
He said even if you go for 50, Idon't care.
I want you hitting the stumps asmuch as possible.
And I think you just see that clarity and and that trust come
back into him and obviously the final.
Yeah, I mean to get Ruth Banton Army like their key batters
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through the whole tournament really to get them in what 5
balls was was diamond like gold dust for you has captain wasn't.
It Oh yeah, I was like, jeez, that makes my life a bit easier.
And then obviously Zampa to Stoyness, he didn't get him out,
but I thought that was that was a really good way.
Well, that's what we needed to do, try and get Stoyness in
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early and and David Willie as well, because they're the two
kind of key guys who who could still win it for them.
So yeah, it was kind of cracked the game open.
It was amazing bowling spell to start.
Was that your plan? You wanted Zampa to to stoyness?
They're great mates, aren't they?
Yeah, great mates and they're great names, but when they're on
the field there's plenty of niggle there as well.
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So yeah, I think there was a bitgoing on, but yeah, that was
kind of the key things. Obviously you guys know that,
you know, you want to get certain players against
obviously batters in early and and that's kind of your plan A,
to try and get as many wickets as early as possible and get
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those guys under pressure early.So yeah, that was the key thing.
We're going to kind of save Zamps a little bit later for for
storms. Jose, can I ask you just when
you're playing for the originals, playing against the
Invincibles, does it feel like astep up?
Do they feel like the best team in the tournament?
Yeah, I think they felt like thebest team in the tournament.
I think Sam's probably been a bit under playing the the star
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quality. I think they've got some
brilliant, brilliant players right throughout that lineup and
a lot of guys on the up as well actually, which I think is, you
know, Will Jax is just getting better and better.
Thought Towanda had a great tournament.
I think he looks like a serious player.
Sam Cohen looks 10 foot tall in an Oval invincible shirt.
Jordan Cox, MVP of the tournament, he was on on fire.
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So so there are some some star names and I just think you seem
like the team that's cracked the100 the most.
He's lately you've had a settledside.
Even after the first two years, he's sort of kept the same group
together. And like Sam said, maybe you've
tinked a few things here and there, but you seem to
understand the format really well.
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Everyone seems to understand their role really well.
You're not chasing anything. I think a few teams that after
poor season, then it's the there's a lot of pressure on the
draft. Never feel that there's any
pressure on the draft for the Oval guys.
If everyone seems happy and content, probably all asking for
more money, that's probably the challenge to keep all those
guys. Yeah, but it's they just seem,
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they just seem very clear and they know their roles.
Actually, one question I was going to ask you, Sam, as you
were the heavy favourites and you know you won it two years in
a row, people talking about 3 P and all this kind of did.
Is that something you talked about as a group, how you were
going to handle that expectationand sort of going for it again
or defending it or how did you sort of phrase that to the
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group? Yeah, I think it's we, we did a
moods got us all together beforethe tournament when everyone
kind of got to the hotel and it was more kind of reconnecting as
a group and and getting everyonearound.
And you'd have to send a photo in of your last year and a key
memory or a key, yeah, key moment, I suppose a highlight of
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the year. And it just talk about it a
little bit from a personal pointof view.
So that was a really cool exercise because I think it
takes it away from the cricket and and just reconnects with
with the people in the room. So that was a really nice thing,
I think. And yeah, it wasn't really
talked about. It was, it was completely get
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getting back to our process and and certainly our game plan at
The Oval. We've got absolute clarity about
how we want to go about it. Very simple.
But just kind of reconnect with that and and get the guys up to
speed who probably haven't played too much at the Oval or
the new guys around the group. So a lot of the same stuff.
It was not reinventing the wheel, but it was.
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There's so much cricket in a year, isn't there, that actually
you couldn't really remember, kind of you remember bits
obviously last year. But I mean so much has happened
in a year so it feels like a fresh start and a fresh energy.
There was a real excitement to get back into.
It we talk about fresh start, that will certainly be the case
next year with new owners comingin, potentially a new name.
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My London's been been talked about for the for the
Invincibles and an IPL style auction potentially coming in as
well. Again, there's a lot of
unknowns. Do you feel like the Oval side
will break up and there'll be a lot of differences when you're
lifting the trophy? Did you feel like, OK, this
might be the last time with thisgroup of players?
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Yeah, I think there was a lot ofchat actually before the game
yesterday. It was like, you know,
especially the guys who've been there for for five years was
like this, this, this will be the last time in those kind of
colours and the kit will be retired and it'll be an end of
an era kind of thing to. So to sign it off, yeah, would
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be fitting. And obviously thankfully getting
the job done. Yeah, it was really nice to do
that. But yeah, I think there will be
change and yeah, just kind of understanding or, or accepting
the the memories that we made over the last few years.
Yeah, very special and they'll be hard to beat I suppose.
But I mean, we're all pretty used to change nowadays in in
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the world of cricket. I think it's changed so much so
rapidly that you kind of accept and and move on.
We've got we've got no say in it.
So yeah, you crack off. Yeah, nice, Sam.
I think you look ready for your bed, mate.
So I think you've had yeah, little electrode tab and you get
yourself a good night's sleep. It'd be interesting to know how
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that woot band is saying how you're feeling so.
But yeah, 1% possible. But May, thanks so much for your
time. Congratulations again on on
another victory. And yeah, we really appreciate
you taking some time to to join us on the pod.
Over to the women's side now where Northern Superchargers
beat the Southern Brave to take the title for the first time.
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Ebony Rainford Brent has been catching up with their England
spinner Lindsay Smith. All right, Lindsay, I was.
I would love to see that you're sat in your kit right now,
clearly with your medal around your neck.
Have you actually been to bed? Is the question.
I have been to bed, Yeah, to be fair, I'm not going to lie, I
have just woken up from a nap. I've made it to bed.
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I made it home safe. Can't wipe the smile off my face
yet. So yeah, it's not quite sunk in,
but yeah, it's a great feeling. Amazing.
Well look first of all, congratulations, winning the 100
for the first time with the Superchargers is amazing, but
forget the cricket for a second,I'm more interested in what goes
on in the night out. So was it a big big one?
Who? And I always love to know as
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well, who's the party animal? So who's going to be the last
dancing on the table? And who's the 1st to bed with
the hot chocolate? To be fair, I think actually
everyone gave it a good nudge last night.
Yeah, it was a bit of an early morning actually.
I think I last looked at my phone at about half five.
So it's actually a personal bestfor me and I'm sure a few of the
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girls. But yeah, it was obviously just
a a great day and a great night and one that, you know, you want
to soak up forever and not really want to finish.
But yeah, everyone stuck together.
Kate Croft was there, I think till the end, you know, everyone
was out and it was just a reallyspecial time to obviously share
it with all the girls and saw some of the brave girls as well,
which was nice. But yeah, just a great night.
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And I'm assuming that medal did the rounds as well.
Did it? Did it follow you everywhere
last night? Yeah, absolutely.
That came everywhere. That was a must.
I had to stay in full kit as well.
So just, you know, parading around London online bikes in
full kit. So sorry if anyone saw a purple
Brigade out last night, but thatwas a fair few of us.
I'd love to get your feelings onthe reason for your success this
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year as a side. You know, actually if you look,
I was looking back at the history and many years you
haven't progressed or, you know,really got to this stage, but it
seemed like it clicked what was working.
Yeah, I mean, like you said, obviously I've been at
Superchargers since it started now and it's always been a
really special group. And I think that's what what
really brought us together this year.
We've not had too many changes. Obviously we brought in Lisa,
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which was a breath of fresh air as well.
Obviously we were great with Danny.
But yeah, I think Lisa obviouslyjust came in and fully embraced
it, tried not to change too muchbecause obviously Holly and the
group as well have just set a real good environment that we've
had. And obviously we got close a
couple of years ago, lost in thefinal.
But I think it's just been really special.
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The whole group, you know, everyone gets on.
It's a real hard working environment and everyone enjoys
each other's success. What about your game this year?
Obviously 7 wickets for yourself, you're always whizzing
around in the field, but did youfeel that you enjoyed how you
contributed as well? It was a it was definitely a
different year for me. I think my role definitely
changed. Obviously I'm fortunate that we
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lost Georgia Wareham after a couple of games and you know, to
only really then have one spinner throughout the rest of
the games was obviously just changed my role a bit.
I didn't do too much bowling in the power play, which is
something that I had to kind of negotiate around.
But yeah, I think I was speakingto the bowling coach yesterday
actually. Like I'm obviously delighted
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that that we won the tournament,but I didn't feel like I hugely
impacted games where I'd want to, but sure reassured me I did.
All right. So yeah, it was, it was good.
Worth saying as well. Georgia Wareham seemed to make
it everywhere with you. I saw the cardboard cut out on
the stage. Whose idea was that?
Obviously Kate crosses. You know who else but Kate
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Cross, right? Let's talk about your overseas
players. I mean, you've got a serious
high quality lot in the likes ofPhoebe Litchfield.
I mean so young and talented, Annabelle Sutherland that all
round. And then Nicola Carey.
What was their impact like having those three key Aussies
in your in your side? Yeah, Massive.
Obviously we had the head bows in Lich last year and we know
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how how world class they are. Unbelievable players.
And also off the pitch, I think in meetings and stuff and, and
the inputs that they give and the way that they get around the
group and and you know, help theyoungsters as well, even when
they are so young themselves. Yeah, they just add so much
value. And obviously on the pitch it's
it's just ridiculous. I think the amount of times I
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watched Lich bat this year and Iwas like, Oh my goodness, I've
got a bowl at her soon. Like this is going to be fun.
But yeah, they've both again been absolutely outstanding for
us. Is this for you your best year
in cricket? I'm thinking, and obviously I'm
thinking about to 2018. I remember seeing you in the T20
World Cup making your debut. This year you get FIFA in your
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ODI debut, you've won the 100, you're in the squad going to the
50 over World Cup. Where does this rank for you at
the moment? Yeah, I was actually thinking
about this this morning because I guess, you know, when you're
in it and the season's so hectic, you don't really have
that time to just sit down and take it all in.
But I think obviously, yeah, it's it's been an amazing year
for me. I'm delighted with how it's
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going so far. Obviously the India series just
gone. Previously I didn't impact as
much as I want to and didn't play as as well as I know I
could. So coming into the 100 hours, a
bit long confidence and, you know, just wanted to put things
right again. But overall, like, yeah, the
year's been amazing. I think, you know, winning this
100 just tops it off because like you say, I've been there
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for the 5th year now and and it's something we've really
worked hard as a squad to do. But yeah, I think now just a
couple of weeks off and then look to go again.
Obviously massive World Cup coming up, which is really
exciting. We'll see first fifty over World
Cup as well. So yeah, hopefully the good
stuff continues. It comes so quickly, doesn't it?
I was thinking you're gonna haveto sleep off the hangover and
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then, you know, prep start soon for the World Cup, India as
well, spinning conditions. Does that get you excited?
And and you know, I know you don't want to think too far
ahead yet with the head recovering, but have you started
to even think about that prospect?
No, not yet. Not yet.
I think I'll probably just take a few days to, you know, come
down from this massive high and and yeah, settle back in to
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actually enjoying some time at home, which has been rare this
year. But yeah, obviously then we we
go to Abu Dhabi and literally not a lot of time at all.
So it's a quick turn around. But yeah, just look to use this
time to reset and then be ready to and fresh to go again.
I was just reflecting on your career.
So you're not a young pup anymore.
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You're now 30. But you're also, you know,
you've got a long career ahead of you.
And I'm just thinking about the,the width of your career.
There's years where you know, you're out of the England fold,
you're now back, you've just wonthe 100 and you're going off to
a World Cup. Where, where do you feel you are
in your career? Do you feel like a senior
player? Do you feel still establishing?
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You know, where would you assessyourself and how you feel?
Yeah, it's a bit of a strange one really because obviously I
spent a lot of time, I made my debut in 2018 and then spent a
lot of time away from the England stuff.
And yeah, I spoke about previously about wanting to give
it up and stuff. But I think obviously coming
back into it and, and being fresh and being in a much better
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mindset for me, like I'm just absolutely loving it.
And I feel like a 21 year old again.
But I think I still obviously have a lot of learning to do on
international cricket and, and different teams and different I
guess conditions. But it all just really excites
me. And I think, you know, if you've
got that passion and that hunger, then you can keep going
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like no matter what. And I think I've got some great
spinners around me in the squad as well, which is really
exciting. And we kind of push each other
on. Obviously Sarah Glenn's come
back into the squad now, which Ithink, you know, she's massively
earned that because she's had a brilliant few months.
So yeah, it's just it's really good competition and can only
help us all improve. And you're seeing lots of
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younger players come in as well.Have to talk about Davina in
that innings in the eliminator. What's it been like having some
of that young, fresh energy and seeing players like her kick on?
Yeah, it's it's brilliant. Honestly, that day was just
unbelief was so happy for her. I think this year she's really
come out of her shell a bit more.
And yeah, she's she's pretty young and sometimes she talks in
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lingo that you don't quite understand and you're like, oh
wow, you really are 18. And I'm sure my age now, but
yeah, that day for her obviouslyto have her family as well was,
was really special and it was unbelievable.
I don't think it will sink him for her for a long time, but
yeah, it was. Unbelievable.
Amazing. Well, look, I'm going to let you
go before I do. Just like as veterans, me and
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Ish didn't when we party, when we won something, we didn't
finish after one night. Come on, you've got to be
backing this up. You done, you done.
Are you one night and done or are you going to keep this going
for a few days? I think I've won that and done
now. I'm an old girl, aren't I?
So we'll see. We'll see.
All right, well, Lindsay, look, you've been amazing.
It's been fabulous to watch. I'm loving seeing your career
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kick on and make sure you enjoy the celebrations and of course
enjoy the World Cup. Thank you.
I'll keep this on for one more night.
Thank you. Lindsay Smith with ebbs there.
Jose Superchargers. Worthy winners, you think?
Yeah, I think so. I think I'm still sort of blown
away by that Davina Perry knock on at the Oval the night before
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the final. I thought, what a moment for for
a young girl to go out there andplay that way.
And I think it's one of the bestmoments of the 100 in its five
years so far. You you think so?
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I, I just think what was
amazing about that innings age, she's 18, which, you know, so
young talked about as a good prospect, but she's got an
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amazing ability to find the gap.You know, that's such an art as
a as a batter to particularly through the offside finds the
gap, but the power she can hit sixes down the ground.
It can change the women's game going forward.
Actually, you know that a lot ofthe time they're looking at at
sweeps or or scoops, but actually the power to hit down
the ground against the spinners is is pretty crucial and quite
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different. So, you know, 18 years old.
We talked to Evans in me a couple of weeks ago, came
through the ACE programme. Is it too early to talk about
England? Yes, there's a World Cup in
October. Straight end, straight throwing.
It's probably a patience get, but then there's AT20 World Cup
in England next summer, but no games in between to get her in
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for that either. So it's a bit of a tricky one.
But she's hugely talented. But you also don't want to just
throw someone in a deep end and and sort of ruin their progress,
I suppose. But I don't know, you look at in
the men's game that yourself, Rudy, Jimmy Stokes, they all got
in early. They all got into the system
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early into playing for England. Get a taste of what
international cricket's like. So I'll be huge.
I wouldn't be tempted for this 50 Oval Cup.
The squad's been named, but I'd be hugely tempted for for next
summer because she's been, she'sbeen awesome.
And that that knock, I mean the Oval to me, best place to watch
cricket, best place to commentate.
I'm sure it's the best place to play because the pitch is just
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beautiful, quick outfield, entertaining the crowd go wild.
So it was great. But it was actually, you know,
she was brilliant at the top of the audit.
But Phoebe Litchfield, don't know how much you saw of her
batting at at 3. The Aussie 22 year old
superstar. My goodness me, she we talked
was it last week or week before about the goats of of the
women's game 10 years time. We'll be talking about her.
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She is a she is a different level, different style of play.
You can see why Australia just win everything because they
create players like that. And I think it's Northern
Superchargers. You want 2-3 brilliant players
to go and win short format trophies normally, but they've
they've got a lot of bases covered.
So I think I think they did deserve it.
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But Phoebe Litchfield, do you see much of her in the
tournament? No.
Am I right and say Phoebe Litchfield?
It's like amazing at the reversehit, am I?
Yeah. So actually.
Actually hit one to win a game. Reverse hit one straight over
long. Yeah, they were playing before
we played in the men's game. And later she was, yeah, out
there in the middle reeling off these reverse hits, which are
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incredible power that she's creating.
And yeah, which I think is one of the things I've noticed in
the women's game actually this year, especially the more power
that's coming into it. Like I said, there's Davina
being able to smash straight sixes that, you know, the
reverse hit that Phoebe Litchfield plays.
The the power they're getting onthe ball is, you know, I think
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let's say the the growth of the game and where how the women are
developing their own games is isfantastic to see.
And I think you're right about the Oval as well.
I think the Oval, it's probably the best of the 100 at the at
the moment. I think let's say the wicket
produces some great cricket, notjust batting.
I think the the ball is always in play and you know they're
filling out what, 25,000? What I would say on the 100 as a
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whole, before we get on to picking our players of the
tournament in the in the men's and women's, for me, the
pitches, I'm going to sound old here.
I'm 39, I'm allowed a little whinge on the odd occasion.
The pitches wow me up. I just think what's the IPL
amazing at? Amazing at entertainment 6
hitting, quick outfields. Bowlers stand out because
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they're exceptional. I thought the pitches were a let
down if I'm honest and that's not a dig at the groundsman.
I think certain teams asked for tired pitches to bring them
closer to to different teams. Trent Bridge my home.
Love the place. Best white ball pitch in the
world. I would suggest Jose, you've had
some brilliant. Time used to be.
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It used to be but but the Rockets are asking for slow low
snot heaps because they know they're bowling attack isn't
particularly strong. So they make worse pitches to to
bring their bowlers a little bitmore into it and to ultimately
to bring their team more into itand make it to the final.
But it's really boring and really unentertaining for for
the supporters. So I would suggest with this
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revamp that the tournament take control of the pitches like an
ICC tournament does. You get to a World Cup.
The home team doesn't choose thepitch.
The ICC control the pitches. I would suggest that the 100
competition takes control of thesurfaces and say, do you know
what? The Oval, Leeds, they're the
benchmark. We want flat pitches.
Great. Now I'm retired and bowling
great. I can say flat pitches, small
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boundaries, I'm joking, the small bench.
But we want true pitches that bounce and batters can strike
the ball cleanly. No one wants to watch 100 off
100 balls inside, edging 90% of the balls.
Do you know what I mean? So that's the only tweak I'd
make. That's my moan over happy days.
Move on. But player of the tournament,
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men and women, you have one. I'll have one.
Yeah, get yourself a glass of wine, mate.
Just calm down for the, I'm going to say Jordan Cox.
I thought he had a brilliant tournament.
I know he was the MVP but yeah, he's the obvious one for me.
I thought. I thought the whole invincible
side were excellent and they allstood up at different times, but
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he was incredibly consistent. I think the innings, especially
against the Welsh Fire, was 80 odd off 2930 balls.
Whatever it was, was amazing andjust whose confidence I thought
throughout the throughout the tournament he played all round
the ground. He's got the power be.
It was brilliant off the back foot hooking ball is stepping
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across, picking the ball up, reverse ramps the lot.
So yeah, he's he's the clear onefor me and you know, in the
winning team as well. So any take on that who have any
honourable mentions or is it just Jordan Cox is the clear
one? Sorry, I haven't let it go yet.
I'm just looking back to that pitch thing.
Jordan Cox, I'm just on that pitch.
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Did you not play 4 games on the same pitch?
Yeah, we did. Which is 8 games obviously.
But yeah, come on, men and women, who's your MVPS?
Honourable mention to Sonny Baker just in the fact that
young bowler good pace has has moved the ball nicely and and
used almost. I know the England had an eye on
him but has used the 100 as a stepping board to get into the
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England side, which I think is what these tournaments are, are
brilliant for they they give youexposure in front of big crowds,
bowling under pressure. So delighted to see him do
really well. And then where the Three Lions
I'm going to go. Sam Curran.
Actually Jordan Cox was amazing.I hadn't seen much of him before
that. Some of the striking was was
outrageous. But I think Sam's, we had him on
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the pod a couple of weeks ago. He's really focused on what he's
looking to. He's not in any England side.
He knows he wants to get back there.
He loves playing for England. He's a player that likes the
pressure and he delivered with bat and ball.
Again. He always plays in the pressure
moments. And that partnership where they
won against the Trent Rockets athome when our win predictor was
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saying something like 93% Trent Rockets and they just went
ballistic. He led that.
And I'm going to say he was my men's player of the tournament.
And Phoebe Litchfield along withAnnabelle Sutherland at the
Northern Superchargers, Phoebe Litchfield, just, you know,
those reverse hits, the way she the way she leads that batting
group, phenomenal. But I also do want to mention
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Lauren Bell because she got 50 wickets in the Hundred overall.
I think it was 19 wickets in thetournament.
Tall sort of in swing bowler forthe Southern Brave wicket taker,
natural wicket taker with the new ball can come on at the the
latter end. Key player for England.
I think she's been brilliant. And I just love seeing young or
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or any England player, but youngEnglish players thrive in our
domestic domestic tours because ultimately that's what they're
there for. So do you know what I didn't?
I wasn't thrilled, exhilarated, buzzing with the 100 this year.
It was it was, it was fine. I think the Oven Invisibles were
in the men's side were the best team, but you know, ultimately a
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lot of change is coming. I think that's quite exciting
actually. I know there's a bit of
negativity around that but I think it's quite exciting
bringing in new investors, new teams, new colours and see what
comes. Yeah, I think it'll go from
strength to strength. I think it's it's been brilliant
up to this point and now I thinkit can go even further.
So yeah, I'm really excited to to see what happens.
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Before we go, Jose, a bit of a story coming out of Australia
that's gathering a bit of pace. Back injury to the Australian
captain Pat Cummings, who's sucha crucial player for that group
leading into the Ashes only a couple of months away.
I don't know the source, I don'tknow where it's come from.
I've seen it on social media, soit could be absolute drivel.
But what do you make of it? So as an England fan, I'm sure
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you'd be open. It's it's true.
Obviously you never want to see anyone injured and it'd be a
shame if he's he's not fit, but who knows about that.
But obviously it's if it was true be a huge blow, wouldn't it
for for Australia, He's as captain Talisman, you know, one
of the best bowlers in the world.
But yeah, so both, both captainsgot some injuries then Stokesy
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and and potentially Pat Cummings.
So I'm sure both we sort of wrapped up in in cotton wool,
won't they until the start of that that series.
I think you won. Best against the best, best
against the best, that's what. You want to see the best be the
best and we want England to go there and win with against
Australia's best team. So yeah, we hope that Pat will
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be fit and England will still win.
That's the that's the hope. But yeah, and back injuries,
obviously always a bit of a worry for bowlers probably.
Yeah, they are, they're difficult.
Depends what it is. If it's obviously a stress
fracture which he suffered from when he was a youngster, they're
they're really difficult and do take recovery time.
Disc problems are really uncomfortable, but spasms and
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and facet joints can be manoeuvred into a way that you
can, you can look after them. So yeah, they're a problem
because ultimately when you talkabout back injuries that affects
your hamstrings, it affects sucha a controlling part of the fast
bowlers body. Yeah, be worrying for for the
Australians, but you know, his his fitness record has been
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incredible in the last 7-8 years.
So I'm, I'm sure they will get him right for, for Perth on what
is that the 2020 first I think of of November.
So yeah, but we should stick with the Aussies actually,
because what a reaction we've had from our pod, from Justin
Langa last week. He was awesome, wasn't he?
I didn't quite know what to expect.
I'd never really spent any time with him apart from the odd chat
(45:33):
as he's been Australian head coach, but he was really
engaging wasn't he? He was brilliant, Yeah, I've
known JL for for a bit of time, obviously back at Somerset and
come across him. But yeah, he's he's amazing.
I mean, we've had 100,000 pub views and lessons, some press
articles, social views. And my favorite comment on the
(45:53):
whole thing is from the Cotswolds gentleman who said I
always thought he was a bit of aDick, but what a great guest,
which is awesome. So, but now he was, he was
great. He told great stories.
He gave us huge insight into hisworld, into Australian cricket.
He welcomed you to the brotherhood, which I'm I'm sure
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you are feeling very at ease with now when you when you get
over to to Australia. So we had a few comments about
that being part of the brothers.I I have a few comments, yeah,
I'm not 100% sure what it means yet, but as long as it involves
good commentary, couple of beers, glass of red and golf,
I'll be pretty happy with that Ithink.
But I mean our socials got over a million hits which is
(46:37):
1,000,000 views which is pretty special.
Mitch Tomlin on Spotify said about the Langer interview.
Absolutely brilliant. Langer is a proper tough, no
nonsense player coach and seems an amazing man too.
Not many Aussies come across that well, so that's that's
pretty cool. That's cool and Stax Barrett
from Perth JL is a true Aussie and WA legend.
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Great chat you guys and favoritemoment from that has to be for
me. Jack Shantry wasn't it?
Have you seen Jack Shantry anywhere umpiring?
Well, I actually I got a bit starstruck at the final, the
Hundred final. We got the team sheets come
through for the women's game andI'm on with NASA Rasain's
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leading and I'm colour for the the start of the game.
So the fireworks are all kickingoff Boom, boom, boom.
So I go down and I'm checking the teams.
I look at the bottom umpire, Jack Chantry, and he's walking
out through the fireworks and sort of trying to high 5
mascots. That went anyway, but I was a
little bit starstruck by that. That's, that's, that's the Jack
Chantry, that's the langar Jack Chantry.
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That was that was that was my favorite story and I think
because it was so authentic coming from you being were your
12th man as well, like listeningto it and engaging with it.
And also that we just to say we love Jack Shantry and I'll give
him a little. He was always one of Marcus
Truscothic's, you know, nightmare bowlers.
He hated him as well. So Langner and Truscothic, who
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couldn't handle Jack Shantry, which I think should be a great
thing for him, and just staying in this Australian theme, Alyssa
Healey is backing you broadly, she said on her podcast last
week. I think the Aussies will end up
falling in love with him, sadly.What do you make of that?
She ruined it a bit with the sadly, didn't she?
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Why does she need the sadly? Just just just leave it him just
him done. Not sadly, but yeah, I actually
listened to the the guys podcast.
It's made-up mind in Australia. I might try and get on that
show. I I quite enjoy what they talk
about. Brad Haddon was an unbelievable
competitor. Just one of those blokes just
you just didn't want walking in at at #7 with the game online,
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just sort of found a way to looked a bit ugly at times.
Although he's a bit of a show pony, but he he just found a way
to to get it done. Lots of talk of Australia
broadly going on tour there, butwhat about before Australia also
going on another tour, aren't you?
I am actually, yes, I've, I'm doing 10 theatres around the UK
(49:05):
which I'm really excited about. I did a few last year, I think 6
or 7, so going to different venues sort of my career, but
around the Ashes, loads of different stories about
Australia. So it's great timing with with
the Ashes coming up. I think we all think as England
fans that this might be our bestchance since 2010 eleven.
So those are different anecdotesand stories about Ashes Cricket
(49:27):
and my experiences, which actually when I was writing the
show were more than I thought, like a lot of drama was sort of
created around Ashes Cricket andmy career.
So it's a lot of fun. It's very relaxed for all ages,
you know, from young kids to to older people who who love their
cricket. So yeah, should should be a lot
of fun. Probably check the easiest way.
(49:47):
Probably check out my Instagram for for where we're going and
and where you can grab tickets. Sounds great.
I'm sure we can throw in a little competition.
We'll have a little think of something when a few tickets to
come and see broadly in action. That sounds great.
Unlike you Jose, offering thingsthat you've not mentioned
before, was it 10% on the wines you offered out early?
5 percent, 10% broadly will giveyou free tickets.
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Anyone get in this? Meeting great there as well if
you. Meeting great, they'll let you
know where he's staying as well.Yeah getting his DMS, but that
sounds great. I think as not to big you up,
but you you did pretty well in Ash's cricket, so I'm sure
there'll be some some good stories there and you knows,
maybe next year we can team up for a for a love of cricket
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tour. Brody.
Who knows? But he's offering everything out
again. Here he is.
Yeah, actually, let's don't do that.
We're we're we're eight podcastsin and we're going on tour.
Yeah, I feel like it's going well, but who knows?
Anyway, that's probably all we've got time for this week.
Yeah, we'll cut you off there. Let's get rid of him.
That's all Jose. He's got time for this week.
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