England Win Thriller, Jofra Back To His Best and The Series HEATS UP 🔥

Stuart Broad and Jos Buttler relive England’s nail-biting victory over India at Lord’s.

They tell us what makes Ben Stokes and Jofra Archer such special cricketers and take us inside the psychology of a tight run chase.

They discuss the angry exchanges between the teams and remember moments when their own tempers boiled over in the heat of a Test match.

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Siraj got fined 15% of his matchfee for his altercation with
Duckett, which I thought was ridiculous if I'm honest.
You know that he didn't do anything particularly wrong
apart from celebrate a huge wicket that got his team back
into the into the game. And then Joff knocks off peg,
out the ground and shouted something like charge that,
charge that, you know. I think I've worked hard to try

(00:21):
and be sort of emotionless as a cricketer, and whether that's
actually right or wrong I don't know.
But I can't just absolutely lostand I've.
Just put you back in that place already.
Calm down here, I can feel. It I'm just about to punch the
laptop. I'm Josh Butler.
He's Stuart Broad, back from Lords Brody.

(00:43):
What a game. Honestly.
So England got the mate down, sort of on the stroke of lunch.
Wizard wokes down the hill. Bang, Nick thought.
Game over that that's done. You know that that is 8 down,
still needing plenty like 90. I think that was just game over.

(01:04):
And then Bumrah got stuck in. I think India lost maybe 1
wicket in 2-2 hours, two hours 15.
But yeah, I mean, that was obviously the emotion of today.
That was so so, you know, a couple of hours ago, so raw.
But I think the whole Test matchflipped on that brilliant over

(01:24):
at the end of day three. I don't know if you watched
that, but it was sort of 8 minutes to go.
Obviously England are thinking we can make this one over.
India wanted to get 2IN. It'd been a really sort of slow
Test match, although we have Ruti's class with 100, Cal Rules
class with 100. It was those sort of their sort
of pitch, you know, no, no mistakes, no risk, not the way

(01:46):
to 100, get a score, 387387 parity.
I think for the Knights of Benedict, our stats guy says so
it's like the ninth time in testhistory and there's been what, 2
1/2 thousand men's tests or something.
So really rare that you get thatsort of level, completely level
at the halfway stage. And then this overcame and

(02:07):
Crawley's under a bit of pressure, obviously, bummer.
Charging in, pulling away sight screen, pulling away fly, you
know, just absolute carnage and chaos.
And I've been, I think I put on my Instagram actually, I've been
whinging about slow play becauseit's mainly aimed at the umpires
who just dawdled along like they're listening to classical
music between overs. It takes forever for the play to

(02:29):
start. And so I've been whinging about
everything speeding up and then this over took 8 minutes and it
was the most brilliant 8 minutesof drama and play acting and
everyone's. You know you've been in that
situation, haven't you? Like you're just trying to
you're doing the best for the team by a bit of time.
Then Shubman Gill loses the plotand starts effing and blinding
at Zach. Zach goes into you versus

(02:51):
Falander at Cape Town, red mist eyes are gone.
He's then going back at him. And I think that ignited the
Test match completely because they walked off the field.
Crawley got through it still Ding Dongy on the way back to
the pavilion. And from 6:32 that night, all I
was looking forward to was the first ball the next day.
I just couldn't wait for the Test match to start.

(03:13):
And I think sometimes Test matchcrickets like that for three
days, slow burner, like come on,what's gonna happen?
Pitch shows a bit of character, teams get a bit of needle and
the last two days were were incredible.
You must have been watching thatfinal over on day three going.
I know what's happening here. Yeah, I loved it, absolutely
loved it. And I think, I think I even
watched their like full 7 minuteclip of it just like, and

(03:35):
really, and knowing Zach, like he would have been absolutely
loving that in his element, just, you know, but like you
said, it just lit the whole Testmatch alive.
And I think like just never experienced anything like that
again in T20 cricket than one day cricket that I'm playing.
There's the scenarios that Test cricket throws up are just you

(03:57):
just cannot replicate it at all so that you know the way, like
you said, the way the game was panning out, it's parity and
there's 8 minutes left on this day.
India are sniffing A wicket, England are doing everything
they can to slow the game down. Everyone's tired and stressed.
And it looks like now there's there's only really two results

(04:18):
in the game. The draw's probably gone at this
point as well. So they all know someone's going
21 up and this is a huge, in a total of three days, massive 8
minutes in the game. You know, India are probably
thinking might get one even if we get 2 wickets, if we get 2
overs. And yeah, just the way that that
ignited the whole thing. And and I've the thing I've
loved about the Test match is just how desperate both teams

(04:44):
are to win. How much that oh, we've talked a
lot about Baz Ball and you spokeabout how now they try and take
the result out of it. And it's not just about winning.
They try and free the guys up todo that and and absolutely
they're still trying to play in that way.
But I thought this test showed both sides just how much this
series meant to them, how desperate they are to win.

(05:06):
I mean, Stokes, the captain is just drags his team with him all
the way and then he impact. You know, I think you think
about him watching that one overfrom the balcony thinking right,
it's game on, though. You're going after one of my
players. This is it, it's all on the
line. We can't wait to get out there
and have a go back at you. And I just thought that the

(05:27):
whole match was just, it's aboutto find a way to win.
Just even Jadasia right at the end, you know going this,
everyone's probably expecting right?
You've got 2 wickets left, he's going to try and smack it.
Now he has to try and take on the field as he's got to score
90% of the runs. But he saw it a different way.
I'm gonna just grind it out. Take trust my guy to face not

(05:50):
many players in the world. Would do that, I don't think.
I can't think of many that wouldgo down that route.
And I think of of all the, there's so many fascinating
players on both sides. And Jadeja is a incredible
cricketer. And I think of IPL cricket, I
think of he's one of those Indiaturned to him and he's sort of,
you knew at this run chase he was going to be a main character

(06:11):
because he's that kind of character.
He's that one that has got that bit of something about him.
He fights he he's always in the big moments.
So, you know, KRL was going to be the calm guy to try and take
it through. Pant was probably going to be
the opposite with a bit of a dash and try and win it in an
hour. Whereas Jadeja's that sort of
stick ability and I'm going to try and be here till the end

(06:34):
Dhoni style, really just like, you know, I'm going to hope you
crack 1st. And yeah, so there's just so
many moments that were do you see like any moment bigger than
any others in the game That was sort of like this is the the
point that got India should havegot ahead or got England back in

(06:55):
the game. Is there anything that you?
I thought England left a few outthere in that third innings with
the bat, if I'm brutally honest.There was an amazing passage you
play where Bumrah was bowling start day four, and it was
leaping off a length, hitting Crawley, hitting the top of
Pope's bat and flying off for one bounce, falls over over
third man. Then it sort of calmed down and,

(07:16):
you know, Ruti was going a little bit stoked.
He was going a bit. Then Washington Sundar came in
four for 22 out of nowhere, you know, with some drift.
And I was thinking if England get 23250 pretty comfortable
without England can you know, not on the easiest pitch to
score on England can control that 190.
I thought, oh, to to not enough.No way.

(07:38):
You know that that's just one partnership.
So then I thought one of the biggest moments in a low chase
when you're defending, if you come out to bowl and you've got
a, you know, thinking back, say wag Warner, the the only batters
that take can take the game awayfrom you and the opposition end
up 60 for 9 or one off 10. The game's sort of done the

(08:00):
game. It's sort of gone because all
your all your energy's gone. Your plans are out the window.
So actually you drive swell getting out really bad shot, you
know, short pitch ball from fromJoffra quite wide.
I'm really surprised he didn't just look to sort of cut it over
the offside for for four, but hetried to pull it when straight
up in the air, one for one or two for one or something.

(08:22):
And suddenly England, OK, we're in.
You know, we've got the because he is the player that moves the
scoreboard forward, cuts it, cuts it away, drive through mid
on quick onto short ball. So as soon as Carol is a
fantastic player, but calm, measured, relaxed, soaks balls
up and Karen Naya came in, Naya came in is just going to play

(08:46):
each ball in its merit. Then England can control it.
England can then bowl length, set attacking fields, create
some pressure. So I thought that was a really
big moment, England making that breakthrough early, dry swell
gone and then cast. I thought that 4th evening, do
you know when he came into the inside?
I haven't seen loads of him and I thought does he move the ball

(09:06):
enough in Test match cricket? Does he have that X Factor of
that? You need to take wickets at the
top level. His X Factor is fight, scrap
energy, passion, drive forward and I've been really impressed
with him. I think he's been superb and he
ran in that night, got the crowdgoing, got the emotion of the
stadium going, got lucky with Karen just leaving a straight

(09:31):
one bang out. Thanks for coming.
And then beauty to Shipman Gill and that and then it just felt
All England, all that emotion and I spoke to the guys, to
Stokes. He then got the the night
watchman out last ball of the day.
So I spoke to the guys this morning.
So what's it on Monday? It was sort of Monday morning
and they were saying they'd never heard the long room like

(09:53):
it walking back off the field last night. 64 the eruption of
emotion and noise and passion from the members of they were
just like never heard a sound like it even measured up to
ashes 2023 with all the nonsenseof the best to run out and
stuff. So that sort of engaged the
players properly, like wow, you know, this is on the line.

(10:15):
And then to to hear last night sell out at Lord's full house
day 5, even with just six wickets to win or 130 to win.
Brilliant. So there was that edginess and
nerviness about it this morning that no one could pick a side.
Honestly no one could pick a side like we at home thinking oh
England have got this or oh goshif if Pank gets 60 game over.

(10:39):
It's absolutely fascinating. And like I said, to to think
we've had three games that have all gone down to day 5 and you
know, been it's been actually one of the most memorable series
so far. It's still got two more to go.
So I hope the the remaining 2 can live up to and I think talk
about those moments. Asking you what for me that run
out of pan in India's first innings, you know, that guy,

(11:03):
that man again Stokes how he canjust always finds a way to get
into the game and to affect the game and to make a difference or
smell a moment and be and you know it's it should never have
happened. You know, if you're that Indian
dressing room, you are devastated.
You know, on the stroke of tea unbelievable partnership.

(11:25):
They're starting to really get astrong foothold in the game and
you know, you can walk in at T just OK, let's double down on
that. We'll build.
England are under a lot of pressure, but Stokes can just
find an opportunity from now. I think it's one of the
incredible traits about him as aplayer, as a captain.

(11:45):
He always senses opportunity andthen he has the mentality and
the skill to grab it because as a piece of skill to pick it up
one handed, throw over his shoulder, direct hit to run him
out by was a couple of inches. But but the awareness to know
that KLR was late 90s pants going to try and get him back on
strike. Couple of balls to go to the

(12:07):
lunch break. The awareness to think I'm on it
here. That's a gap he's going to aim
for. If he does, I'm going to get
there. Quick and to get himself in that
position that's where he's feeling it's just all these like
it's so easy to focus on big moments, which he absolutely
makes it into but he just puts himself in position to to do
these things and he and to be able to deliver that at that

(12:30):
time, you know it could have been a you know, shy at the
stumps and it misses and it's a oh what could have been but to
actually make it the moment which you know, I think really
did change changed the course ofthat that game quite
significantly because they looked pretty untroubled at that
point Raul and Pant in a but there was loads and loads like
you said, loads of those momentsand different people will pick

(12:52):
out different moments from this game where the ebb and flow of
the Test match was fascinating just how.
I think the biggest sort of get your bum on your seat moment
from within the stadium in the commentary box was Joffrey's
first over back. OK, Joffrey's coming in,
everyone's on the seat, everyone's watching.

(13:13):
Actually, first of all, you think you'd just land it?
Just get it somewhere near, get the nerves out the system and
then third ball, perfect down the slope, seam up Nick to 2nd
slip and the emotion, yeah, how I looked at that, obviously I
saw him charge away and scream and the emotion taking a wicket.
I immediately thought of all thephysios, all the strength and
conditioning coach, everyone that's helped him from all

(13:35):
around the world to get back to that place because it's amazing
emotion for him, his family, everyone that's got him through
the tough times of injury. There's a lot of people that
have had to pick him up had to, you know, you're going for
another surgery. Josh Joff, I'm really sorry.
You know, all these sort of things that that are really bad
news at the time. Repay in one ball and the

(13:59):
emotion that came out of him. So there was that.
And the biggest wow moment from the commentary box was him
knocking Richard pants off Dollyout of the ground.
Well, you know, that beautiful sound and the view where all the
wires go everywhere as well out the stump, just a just an
absolute cracker, you know, gameon the line, down the slope, top

(14:19):
of off off stump, out the ground.
And that was the moment in the comic box.
Everyone's like wow, you know, that brilliant sort of feeling
you get in in cricket and you know, it's that was probably the
biggest wow moment. Yeah, Did you expect anything
less from Joff? That and obviously there's much
made of he's been out of Test cricket for four years.

(14:41):
It's almost like people forgot he has been playing cricket,
maybe not Test cricket, but he'she's been getting to this
situation he's been building. He's actually been going pretty
well for a while and and Englandhave had this plan in place with
him, you know, to target this series and the Ashes obviously,
and been sort of holding him back.
But what I'd love about it is you're you're so happy for him

(15:03):
and it is such an amazing thing to watch him bowl, you know,
especially back at Lords and, you know, think of 2019 in the
World Cup final and the spell hebowled at Smith.
But I I kind of expect I didn't.I wasn't surprised about how he
bowled. It wasn't like, you know, this
is amazing or he's he's further ahead than you thought he would

(15:24):
be. He was he was exactly where you
know, he's always been, which isincredible really, when you
think of the time out of the game he's had in in Test cricket
and but he was a more full of emotion.
Wasn't it that like you say, those celebrations, the you
know, when he got panned out there, the court and bold of

(15:46):
Washington Sundar that like, buthe's just he's a superstar,
isn't he? Then that's what we've all been,
why we're all so excited to see him back and what we've been
waiting for. I, I forgot how good he was, if
I'm honest, really, you know, I 'cause you see a few overs here
and there in the IPL, maybe see a couple of T 20s played for

(16:08):
England or but I forgot how goodhe was when he raises it to like
top level intensity. Yeah, because.
He bowled quick as well, didn't quite a speed think.
About his fastest spell in England.
Shirt up the hill at the NurseryEnd like mid afternoon as well.
Flying through it 92 mile an hour.
Incredible ball to left handers.Actually a much better ball to

(16:30):
left handers than he is. Right handers actually because
he gets that ball darting acrossthem.
Think the right handers line himup a little bit better.
He doesn't bring the outside edge in as much of them, but
he's got this bouncer that, you know, when Pete batters get a
shock, it's like a jolt. Like they don't just duck it,
it's like a jolt. So I think I probably had

(16:50):
forgotten how incredible and like the theatre he brings.
But I'd never seen the emotion that he showed today on the
Monday morning actually. And that was deliberate.
I spoke to him after the game, gave him a big hug because I'm
not proud of him. You know, to get back.
He could easily have just rackedoff England and gone and done
what he does around the world. But he wanted to play for

(17:12):
England. He wanted those big moments.
And I said, God, I've never seenyou like as fired up as that.
You were like revved up. And he said actually, it was a
team plan. It was it was talked.
The group, you know, they've come at us, they've had a go at
Zach Crawley. This is our patch.
You know, we've got to we've been too nice.
We've got to meet fire with firehere as a team.

(17:35):
We're hunting. We're hunting India down.
That's what top flight sports about really, isn't it?
A lot of the time. So when the coach or captain,
whoever delivers that message says it and you back it up the
way you do and you know there's a brilliant ball, probably my
favorite ball or pants dismissals, my favorite because
it's just as a bowler to left handers around the wicket, Just
heaven. But he bounced ready first ball

(17:59):
and everyone came in. Duck it Brook rooty Pope's under
the lid like everyone's in clapping and cheering and and
getting stuck into to ready because reports came back from
the middle and Crawley was out there and duck it was out there
that ready was the most vocal, you know, or one of the most
vocal. So they're all into him and on
the stunt mic that we have in our ears.
Great. You know, we can't.

(18:21):
We don't put everything to air that you hear, but I've I can
hear everything through the stunt mic and it just takes you
straight back to the middle of that sort of.
It's quite a nice little insightthat you can just turn up your
stunt mic and revel in the niggle that's going on out
there. How much I actually had to re
watch it because I I heard it. And then I thought as he's
actually said that Washington Sundar's interview where he says

(18:45):
about, you know, when India win tomorrow when we go 21 up.
And I thought, I wonder if he's just sort of, you know, miss got
his words out wrong. You know, it's hopefully we'll
win or hopefully. But it was a proper, you know,
worse. Incredible confidence.
Yeah, we're going to win. And there's almost one of those
moments where you, like, you don't miss a thing, do you, in
this day and age. Like someone will have heard

(19:06):
about that in the dressing room.It's almost like instead of
anyone having to say anything this morning for England, you
could have just played that interview.
And that would have got people so fired up.
And there's a little clip of when Washington came out to bat
and McCallum over the balcony, sort of, you know, telling
everyone to raise it. This is the guy who's been
chirping. And you just sort of like I, I

(19:30):
think of for him there in that situation, he's probably walking
out going, I wish I hadn't said.If you said it, don't get nor,
don't get nor. You can't.
You set yourself up, don't you? It's horrible.
But you're late now. Everyone's all over me, right?
I could have just come out here and tried to, you know, yeah,

(19:51):
have a good game and it'll be all right, you know, try my
best. But you know, everyone knows
that what I've said in the medialast night and this is going to
be everyone's after me. Even the Even McCullum, who's
probably been the only time he didn't have his feet up, he's
leaned forward to say come on lads, ramp it up for this guy.
So. But it's been the.
Thing is, we've all done interviews.
We've all done them where you say it because a lot of the

(20:13):
interviews, sometimes your brains a bit scrambled.
You've had a busy day, lots going on.
You're doing press, you might doSky, BBC, you're onto another
one, you're onto radio and we'veall done one where we've said
something and you walk off you go.
Did I say that? Oh no, I think I did say that.
Just retract that before I retract.
That, but it's already out thereso yeah, I'm sure I think he was

(20:34):
really specific with the time they were going to win as well
wasn't he was like yeah, just after lunch we'll knock him off
yeah thanks for coming in. India are going to win.
But to be fair, they're aged well, aged, aged well, but
they're fans, all the Indian fans at laws today, even at
lunch, 8 down, we're going to win.
We're definitely going to win. Like the the the mindset of
clarity of like we're winning. This game was was pretty not

(20:57):
just the Indian team, but the the fans as well.
But yeah, I, I, I, you could definitely you don't often see
Baz show that sort of outward plenty apart from there was a
great moment where Stokes he hadbowled like a 7 or 8 overspelled
in the in the midday sun and he sent Tim Southie down to tell

(21:19):
him stop bowling. Did you see that on the TVI?
Just a little bit like how to get Ben Stokes off and like tell
him a joke then do suddenly I feel like, yeah, I don't.
Can you imagine? Like he was hard enough to get
the ball out of his hand when hewasn't captain, wasn't it?
I think the Headingley did he bowl 15 over spell or something?
You know, like Ruchi's like you're going to do something
about this. He's like, I can't.

(21:39):
Like he's so now he's captain aswell.
But he looks he's he's probably been the best bowler for
England. I said how you know when you say
you forgot how good Joffrey was?I actually probably would say I
forgot how good a bowler Stokes he is.
And yeah, because we haven't seen him at his.
Yeah, because we. Haven't seen him at his best or
fit for a long time actually. And I think it's remarkable how

(22:01):
much cricket he's played, injured basically and not able
to perform as an all rounder andthis, you know, everyone say oh
he hasn't played, he hasn't bowled, he hasn't done this that
five months he's had off. He's been working incredibly
hard, hasn't he entered the skill level and the obviously
the heart and the competitiveness and everything

(22:24):
that it's unbelievable bowler, it's like and you, you're never
going to get the ball out of hishand.
It's like in over my dead body. Until this is done, I'm running
in so I. Think I've never dropped pace,
never drops pace, always just into the pitch, swinging it
aggressive bouncer. You know, I, I loved having him
as like. As as a bowler, what is like,

(22:45):
how does he, you know, long spells like where's he finding
that energy? Where's the is that actually not
a physical thing? It's just of, it's just mental.
Yeah, yeah. It's a mental thing.
It's like it's that sort of drive and you find a rhythm like
I used to. I used to hate one over spells
or three over spells because by the time you're really getting

(23:06):
into it, you're dragged off and and you don't quite get to
execute everything you wanted to8910 over spells.
You're then not thinking, you'rejust in.
You're grabbing the ball, you'regoing, you're grabbing the ball,
you're going. It's ultimately you're not
bowling an 8910 over spell if you're bowling badly, are you?
Because you're getting dragged off or it's not going quite

(23:26):
right. We need to move on and and
change it up a bit. So you're generally bowling
great if you're going past 7 overs.
So yeah, you get the ball, you keep going, you keep the same
stride pattern, you keep liftingand you keep driving it forward.
And you're only doing it becauseyou feel like you're going to
get the batter out. You're not.
You're very rarely boiling a long, long spell just to bowl
maidens. So it just proves Stokes's

(23:49):
mentality in a sense that he believes he's going to get a
batter out all the time because I'll go again because I'll get
him out. I'll go again because I'll get
him out. And he did it again today.
He bowled A10 over spell, I think like a 12 over spell.
Just just one of them. The.
Answers in there as well. That's.
Bumpers in there made the breakthrough with bummer, didn't
he with the with the short ball stuff.
So yeah, just I think Test matchcricket is one of these games

(24:12):
that whenever you start doubtingit, whenever you think you know
what T20 crickets overtake it. And we obviously know the power
of T20 cricket and the money it brings in and the the
razzmatazz. But the draw to Test match
cricket, how it just splits out another belt in game when it
when it's under pressure type thing, you know it's it's it's
it's got an amazing ability, an amazing drama to it.

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glass. Jose, I want you to put yourself
in judges shoes actually. So he came to the crease early
doors on Day 5. He played a really patient role.
He got 61 of 181 balls and he was just taking 1 and over when
he was batting with the tail. Do you think that's the way
you'd have gone about it? Do you think that was the best
way to go about it? Do you think that was the only

(26:25):
way he could have gone about it?Thing I loved the most about the
way he went about is how committed to his plan he was.
So he obviously that plan will have evolved for him.
You know, when he's batting withno more recognised batters, they
probably had a different plan. His role is different within
that. But then as soon as he got to
the tail, the amount of faith that he showed in, you know,

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numbers 10 and 11, I think did wonders for them.
I think, you know, they really buy into that.
When you give someone trust and you say we can do this to get
used, you do it as a partnership.
So, you know, this is how we aregoing to win the game, not how I
am going to win the game as Judaja and say I'm going to be
there. It's he need he know he needs
his partners, so give them a clear role.

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This is what I need from you. This is how you're going to and
Bummer and Siraj, 2 very feisty,competitive, proud guys put
their body on the line and absolutely they're not the best
batters, but they will, you know, say they're going to find
a way. They're going to scrap for for
you at the other end. So whether he got it right or

(27:32):
wrong, I don't think is necessarily the point, but the
conviction that he had within his plan and the way he was
going to do it, and probably a plan that no one thought was
worthwhile giving. You know, to be honest, I sort
of stopped watching when they were 8 down, thinking the game's
done and I was off doing something else.
I was actually dressed as a Penguin doing some Pilates, but

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that's a story for another time.But then I'd like check the
score again. Might have to push you on that
at some stage, but. Yeah, we'll leave that for now,
but oh, they only need 70. Like I wonder can they do it?
How's that still? And then I'll check it again 10
minutes later, 65, but there's still 2 wickets left.
Like how's this game like panning out in this?

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So that weighs taking the 4 balls, trusting bummer with a
couple. And it's incredibly frustrating
as a fielding side as well because you're like, should we?
How do we get 6 balls at the nonrecognized batter?
But then if you did bring the field up and Jadeja went 4/4 or
4/6 and suddenly they scramble A1 off the next ball of the 8,

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you know, that's a lot of runs in the get.
So England are playing that patient game that, you know, we
will make the inroads with the 2balls.
So they're sort of both trying to play each other at their own
game, which was awesome. And, and you know what it's like
and you put it in your shoes as the bowler in the opposition,
you're like, they can't, can they?
You're like, Oh my God, they're into the 30s to win now it's

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into the 20. And you're thinking even though
you know, you should win the game and you do genuinely
believe, like we will get this. A chance will come, whether it's
an LBW and it's a, an appeal or whether it's a, a catch will
come there. We will get our chance to win
the game. But there is that guy on your
shoulder and, you know, you might even look at some of your

(29:20):
team mates and you're thinking it's getting a bit bit closer,
isn't it? Like, yeah.
Do you still believe? Like, yeah.
If if a leg by 4 begins to hurt you, the game's too close if you
think one just comes off the hipand goes to four and that and
you're watching it out to the boundary go no, no, no, no, the
game's too close and we're just approaching that stage, weren't
we? That 22 to win and for it to

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finish in the way it did sort ofBashir comes in with a broken
left hand, got a couple of ballsto Siraj and he defended it very
late down into the ground. It sort of hit the, you know,
where you mark your guard, whereyou've scratched it from like
leg middle off because all the players have been doing that for
five days on a dry pitch. It's uneven, it's sort of spun

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off. The scratch marks back onto the
base of leg stump and this bail just almost like just fell off.
There'll be some brilliant stillpitches, There'll be some
brilliant still pitches of that of players like just about to
jump in the air with the expectation if there'd have been
the zinger bales used in T20 cricket, that's not coming out.
Not come off that is, but how about the Indian dressing room

(30:29):
as well? We know and you like I'm I'm
imagining, you know a few play at right rate down games done.
I'll put my trainers on. You know I'm sad about the
result. We've maybe we shouldn't we
think we should have won the game, but we'll get ready to go
down and shake hands and then 20minutes later you're like what
the hell they're still in you'restill going like why don't I'm

(30:50):
not going to move you stay whereyou are.
I'm going to stay where and then20 minutes more, 20 minutes
late. Three hours you've not moved.
Imagine, like Mark Wood tells that story of 2019.
Anyway, he sat on the washing machine out the back in the run
chase and because he's just so superstitious, can't move.
But you can imagine what that dressing room would have been

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like and how that belief would have started to grow as well.
You know, you can't see a resultwhen it's 80 or 90 to win.
And then suddenly there's that little bit of you that's going,
you know what, you know, Jadeja could do this.
Or if you know what, like I said, we got four leg byes here
and no ball here. You start celebrating all those.

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It's I just like we've come backto again, Test cricket just
throws up these scenarios and things that can happen.
And that you just, and I'm talking about that takes me to
like the Stokes's Headingley innings.
You know, when it's like the game's done and you jumping up
through the thing and putting your head through the roof, like
where's that ball go? Where's that ball like you can

(31:53):
just see how you know the dressing rooms are awesome
places to because you've got no control.
It's horrible. You need to be in the middle
because you but it's. Sure, Bashir took the final
wicket, but he's going to be ruled out for the series with a
broken hand. I haven't got a clue.
Next spinner in Jack Leach is oncentral contract.

(32:16):
Yeah, for me it's he's a good mate of mine, but it's simple
that I would go straight to Lychee.
He's he's been your on the in the squad in New Zealand.
He was obviously playing in Pakistan.
So kind of feels natural that ifyou're going for a specialist
spinner then Jack Leach would bebe your man.
You know, in 2019, if he was, ifhe was out there with Judea, you

(32:39):
probably would have got it done.But nothing I don't know, not
obviously and Select and I know I'm biased because he's a mate,
but just you need a specialist spinner, don't.
I don't see a world where they go.
Bethel and Root can do it. No, not at Old Trafford.
Brody, that was obviously you spoke about how this Test match

(33:00):
was ignited with and it's good to see the needle in the game,
isn't it? I think it's one thing that we
all love and we all talk about you know what?
What is that like when that element of the game, you know,
rears its head and just becomes a massive part of the match?
I love it. I absolutely love it.
You know, it was, I'd say it wasone of my favourite overs, but

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the the crowd buy into it. As long as I think there's a
fine line. You know, you don't want
physical contact, you don't wantfingers being pointed in faces
necessarily or terrible languagethat you can hear on the TV, but
you want intensity and, you know, a bit of passion.
And, you know, Siraj got fined 15% of his match fee for his

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altercation with Duckett, which I thought was ridiculous, if I'm
honest. You know, that he didn't do
anything particularly wrong apart from celebrate a huge
wicket that got his team back into the into the game.
Joffrey the same. I don't know if Joffrey has been
fined, but Joffrey the same, youknow, got panned out.
Actually asked him in the interview this evening.
I said come on then let us into a little secret.

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What did you shout? Because it looked quite
aggressive and he he was frustrated that Panter danced
down at him and hit him for fourstraight.
Yeah, you know, just. Like I say, because the yeah,
Suraj 1 was just after he'd beenscooped for a four, isn't it?
So yeah, can imagine that rilingyou up as a bowler.
You could have a bit of fight back and then Joff knocks off
peg out the ground and shouted something like charge that,

(34:24):
charge that, you know, So, you know, I love all that.
You know, bowlers work really hard.
Like you're charging in, you're putting your body on the line.
If you get the wicket, then as long as there's not major
physical contact, you're allowedto celebrate with some sort of
expression and passion. But Boomer had actually
brilliantly on that night where Crawley was wasting time.

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Not to excuse my friend. Like lose his shit a little bit
because there's nothing worse. I don't mind all the play
acting. I've done it myself many a time
where you're trying to get to a break so you might do your
shoelaces up, all that sort of stuff.
But when you run in and you start to run in, you get halfway
in. A batter pulls out.
Used to drive me wild. Used to hate that.
That is like wasted miles in thelegs.

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So Boomer did really well to. Just thinking like of, you know,
like Razzy Erasmus in the South Africa rugby, he's always
thinking of something different he's doing as a bowler.
Can you almost like overplay that and you drag it out?
So you're like, right, it's obviously going to just be one
over. Now let's start playing the
batter. Is that 'cause I'm thinking, no,

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I'm a batter, I'm in control, I'll pull out like, can you
start doing that? That crowd would have gone wild,
wouldn't it? Boomer and all the way in.
Delivery stride and then doesn'tbowl.
Doesn't bowl, yeah, yeah, I mean, you've seen that in T20
cricket certainly where bowlers load UPS, batter moves too
early, they pull out. So it's certainly within your
control to do that. I think any way as a bowler you
can get the batter out of their rhythm or doing something

(35:52):
different that they're not expecting or yeah, that whole
you're not in control of this game.
We are type thing. There's always that cricket
thing. It's 11 versus 2, isn't there?
You need that the batters to feel like it is T2 versus your
whole team in any way you can shape that to feel like it's an
advantage for you for sure. Yeah, yeah, do it.
But you know, I I love the needle.

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I don't necessarily love the send offs.
You know, I've not someone who'sranted and raid at people too
many times. I've had the odd fine here and
there for being a bit too emotional and it generally comes
if you get hit for a boundary and then you get a wicket,
you're sort of frustrated at theboundary and then you're letting
out that frustration in the moment of taking taking a
wicket. I did one to minus Labuchain I

(36:34):
think, in the 2019 Ashes at Old Trafford, where there was a bit
of a argy bargy going on. I wasn't even bowling and he's
shouting at us for some reason. Think maybe kind of Stokes, he's
having to go at him and I just in the background like waving
just like got caught terribly oncamera.
Me just like waving him off really late, you know, just like

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bye, bye, bye. It's like the worst comeback of
all time, isn't it? He was just shouting and
swearing at me and I'm just going bye, bye, bye.
Terrible. But yeah, tough.
Guys on the field, aren't we? And then you get.
Exactly. You were very calm, weren't you?
You're like a quite a unmovable type of character, apart from

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the famous sort of Vernon Falander, his final Test match
where your eyes went. I've seen those eyes go a lot in
football, but the eyes went on acricket field.
You get sent that all the time, don't you?
It's, it's, it's just one of those things that probably a
handful of that's definitely theworst you've been read, Miss
Wise, isn't it? Yeah, now that's kind of my,
I've, I think I've worked hard to try and be sort of

(37:40):
emotionless as a cricketer. And whether that's actually
right or wrong, I don't know. But I've tried to be, you know,
level and this and that. And but I do have a bit of a
champagne cork moment at certaintimes.
Like I said, it's usually warm up football, but I can
certainly, yeah, my eyes go and I do lose it a bit.
But yeah, the falander. What?
Was that what it seems? So I was at mid.

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Oh, it seemed so lame. No.
So as a wicket keeper, you when people throw the ball in like if
the batter like only subtly moves or doesn't, you know, like
usually people just go out of the way and let you have your
space and you catch the ball. So I can see the guy's throwing
the ball in and I can tell it's like he's trying to like stay

(38:26):
close to it. I think Rudy through it, stay
close to it just to sort of annoy me.
But then it's actually clipped him and as I've tried to catch
it, it's actually clipped him and then hit me straight in the
head in the in the helmet. And as it's hit my helmet, I can
feel my head explode and I just,and it was like, you know that

(38:48):
like, fuck, you know, I can't just absolutely lost.
And I. Just put you back in that place
already. Yeah, I can feel.
It I'm just about to punch the laptop, but I yeah, I just lost
it and just went at him end of the game was getting a bit
tight. Well, he was playing quite well
actually. I think we needed three wickets
to win and he was being quite annoying in terms of playing

(39:12):
quite well and staying in and I just yeah, absolutely lost it.
And, you know, I think, like I said, I think Joffrey usually
sends it to me at least once a week, just like, you know,
because it's so, like you say, probably out of character.
But you know, me knowing myself is in there.
So yeah, I had obviously Stokes,he stood behind me.
So I was probably feeling a bit brave and.
Was that your only fine? Is that your only fine for?

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Even if I got fined actually, well, I must have, but I can't
actually remember going to see the match ref.
But yeah, I just lost by what I like about the niggle from this
game is how it will now. It's like a, it's a storyline in
the series. You know, luckily we've got two
games left and these storylines will, you know, continue and

(39:55):
develop. And I remember the next game
after that being in Port Elizabeth.
And it was like, right, we've had this altercation and now I'm
going out to bat and obviously it's 11V2 and 11V1 at that
point. And the South African team had
sort of made a huddle, like right between my Direct Line of

(40:16):
walking to the wicket and I had that moment about 30 yards out,
like. I'm going to have to walk
straight like don't I can't veeroff my line here like they I
will look so weak if I back out of this and you know, they're
obviously stood there trying to.So it's like one of those, you
know, like people get a nice guard of honour, don't they, for

(40:38):
their. Last not nice guard of.
Honour. So this was like one of their
and I just got a volley of abuseas I walked straight through
their huddle of sort of, you know, just expletives and, you
know, those kind of things. I didn't get any runs, but at
least I walked straight through them.
So But yeah, I I just, you know,like these kind of things.
These things will carry on now into the next few.

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It's a shame you got a week off probably isn't it, because it
could be still very fresh in thememories.
But there's always good, always one of the great things about
cricket, it always turns out, with a good handshake at the end
and a lot of respect. Not necessarily that you, you
know you haven't. You don't even forget.
You don't. Know you don't forget, but you
you have that handshake and you know I'll see you next week and

(41:23):
I look forward to this all kicking off again and and it
might be day one, it might be day three.
You know, you never know quite there'll be a moment when the
game just takes off again or someone says something.
And and that's because we all care.
Everyone's incredibly competitive, We care.
And and that's what I've loved loads about this series is how,

(41:43):
how much passion and care and like you say, for Test cricket
as as a product and as a game, you just cannot, you cannot
really beat it. I just it's part of it and
people talk about the spirit of cricket and it's different for
everyone. It's like that line changes
daily depending on who you are. But I think it's good to see.

(42:06):
It's good to see how much peoplecare and how much people want it
and the emotion, and that's really where it's born from.
I think you've got your own collection with late weights.
Beyond the wicket series of wines by Stuart Broad, even a
nice little signature there, butit's been a real passion project
for me. Wines from all over the the
cricketing world. Great memories of of playing

(42:28):
cricket in these places and that's where this collection
came from really. Just the memories of that.
Putting them into bottles of wine.
And you like little glass of wine, don't you?
Yeah, I like a glass of wine. The Stuart Broad wine.
Good. Food, good company, it's always
nice to yeah, spend time with family and friends and a good
bottle of wine. And Beyond the Wicket isn't the
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(42:50):
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Settle in and join us for the love of cricket and a good
bottle of wine with Lathwaite. Brody Another record for Joe
Root in this Test match. 211 Test catches, the most by an
outfielder. I'm sure you're about to say but
he dropped loads off me. Relentless.
Any of these records? Well, actually we've been just

(43:34):
in a little few numbers through Crick viz.
Rooty dropped 12 catches off me in Test match cricket.
That seemed light if I'm honest.I remember at least 40 do.
You remember more. At least 40.
No, it's you know, incredible really for if you think about
how much, how many records he's he's breaking his longevity, how
he and how at the top of game isit?

(43:54):
I think it was awesome the fact he broke that record with a with
a hanger, you know, one handed diving to his left.
Absolute cracker Jack, you know,I don't think that's necessarily
one of the records that routine will go oh wow, you know, I'm
the I'm the I've got the most catches in Test match cricket
history. But I think I think it's just

(44:15):
quite cool, isn't it? The fact that he's been in
catching positions. He's he's he does he works
incredibly hard on it as he did.He's just one of those guys,
isn't he? Whether he's batting, fielding,
bowling, he's always looking to get better, looking to improve
and he's that slow a runner first slips the best place for
him. So I was good, yeah.

(44:36):
That is the best place for him. And he's obviously taking some
great ones. And that was a brilliant 1 to
get the record. But I think, like you said, it
probably sums him up as a character and as a cricketer and
as a player. He knows he's not the most
talented fielder. And I saw his interview where he
says, you know, if anyone wants to watch good fielders now,
Harry Brooks been on fire at second slip, and obviously Ben

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Stokes is an amazing catcher anywhere.
But Joe knows how important slipcatching is.
He knows how he just wants to bethe best he can be at it.
And you have to give credit to aguy who just just works, like
you say, everything he's got. He works so hard at his batting,
passionate and with his bowling and absolutely with his

(45:16):
fielding. I think of him, you know, really
taking like a deep dive with Carl Hopkinson on his technique
at slip and watching footage andwhat's his best position to be
in as the ball is released by the bowler, as the ball is, you
know, at impact point with the bat.
What position he needs to be in,you know, working very
technically, one handed catches to his right, one handed catches

(45:39):
to his left, just the care and attention.
I think that's probably the biggest credit to this record
for him that how many catches he's taken.
He knows he's he's not Jaunty Rhodes and he's the best fielder
that's ever played the game. But it shows how much he works
at something and how he doesn't,you know, let any part of his
game slip. And it's a great, great lesson

(46:02):
to everyone. We always talk about his batting
and, you know, watching practiceand watching play.
But it's more just the way he carries himself and everything
he does, actually, that he does everything brilliantly, really,
and with humility, hard work andthose kind of things.
So yeah, he's got some better records than just the catches,
but this one is a good testamentto his his professionalism.

(46:24):
Yeah, he's one of those guys that you just want him to do
well at everything, don't you? He's he's got no sort of like
edge to him or anything. He's just oh, if you pardon the
pun, you know, edge catch slip. He's just got, you know, like
such a lovely aura. Bam.
You just want him to do, I must admit, to draw this Test match
to a close. This England team have I just I

(46:44):
just want them to do really well.
Maybe that's because of the series that we're involved in,
such a big series against India,such a big series coming our way
in the winter. But Jose, sorry to sound a
little bit rude, but I've been sort of back-to-back with this
Test match. It's been a crazy busy week with
it all. But I know you had the Roses T20
Blast Derby, what else have you been up to?

(47:05):
Yes, we've had three games of cricket.
We unfortunately lost 2 but got back on the horse yesterday with
a win. We were on the receiving end of
a a Johnny Bairstow master classand he came.
Out with that. It did.
He had that look about him as hearrived at the crease, which
when you know, Johnny's quite worrying and yeah, he took to,

(47:25):
you know, big occasion. I suppose the Roses match full
house behind enemy lines for Johnny just suits him, doesn't
it? So he he teed off and played a
great knock. But we managed to get a win on
Sunday. And I was actually in the
dressing room just before we went out and the Test was on in
the corner. And Jimmy actually goes, oh, you

(47:46):
know, do you ever miss Test cricket?
And I was like, absolute, like, I miss it all the time.
And I was like, this is going tobe one of the best Test matches
ever. Like, how many runs do you think
they need? And we just started, like, you
know, reminiscing about the Lord's Test against India a few
years ago, which was pretty similar, wasn't it?
And then just like, how good a game would it have been to be

(48:08):
involved in? And how many runs are they going
to need? We went out to field.
I think Root and Stokes were in about 140 ahead at that point,
you know, come in at half time thinking are they still going
and suddenly it's 190 is the chase and like unbelievable so.
You can talk about the positivesrather than if Judeja gets India

(48:28):
over the line, you're looking atthe negatives and what's gone
wrong. So it's such an important thing
to get the result to get that win for this England team.
But before we do move on, about halfway through the pod, I think
you mentioned something that I didn't quite understand about
Penguin Pilates or Pilates. You dressed as a Penguin.
So I mean, should I understand it?
Do I want to understand it? Why?
What is it? Why?

(48:49):
What are you doing? Well, there's nothing suspect.
Well, so Louise, my wife is a Pilates instructor and she
teaches in person. She does some online stuff and a
new venture of hers alongside Vitality is like family Pilates.
So we've got our 2 girls involved.
There's just short 10 minute kind of sessions.

(49:09):
So the girls are six and three, so short attention span and
summer holidays. So her idea is to get families
doing it as a, you know, all together for just 10 minutes but
trying to make it interesting. So the girls decided it should
be fancy dress and I don't in their dressing up box somewhere
have plucked out a an adult size.

(49:32):
So we've obviously bought it at some point Penguin outfit and
they're like, yeah, you've got to do it in this.
So keep your eye out for a 10 minute Pilates session of of me
dressed as a Penguin, which justfelt like a mule at the time.
I was waiting for someone to like come around the corner and
just say you've been punked and that, you know, Sky Sports
camera somewhere, but no. So it's good fun that the the 2

(49:54):
girls did very well. Actually, they were bribed with
Smarties to, you know, to do a couple of sessions back-to-back.
But yeah, it's good for. Yeah.
That's one of the perks of, you know, having some time at home
in the summer is getting to, youknow, really throw yourself into
family life and dress up as a Penguin.
Yeah, I'll let the question slide of why you've got an adult

(50:15):
sized Penguin dress up costume at home, but this is probably
where we should put the www.liveBrave Pilates thing, you know,
if. You want to see Josh dressed?
As a Penguin, please go to. No discounts for this one
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(50:36):
well so. Hashtag no ad.
Brody, you've been probably the busiest broadcaster person in
the world over the last weeks. You've obviously covered the
Test match, but you have been out for dinner with Brian Lara.
Is that or been to a dinner withBrian Lara and also you've been
at the theatre with the great cricketer.
That must have been good fun. I reckon not many people have

(50:59):
made me sort of starstruck over my time, but Lara, Brian Lara,
like the amount of times I played Brian Lara cricket
growing up and watched like world records in 501.
So yeah, we just, we had a bite to eat around Regent Street,
sort of. Just the two of you.

(51:22):
No, not the two. It was about sort of 10 of us,
but it was like an event. But Brian, we were sort of the
guests on it and we met for a glass of wine before, so we're
just chatting away. And I was like, how long do I
leave it before I ask him about should Mold have broken his
world record? You know, how long do I leave
that? And we're walking to the

(51:43):
restaurant. I said, oh, what do you think?
Like, how do you feel about it? And he was amazing at how he
talked about it. He was like, it's not my record.
It's the game of cricket's record.
It was my era's record of with Sachin and all those guys.
So it's there to be broken. It's it's he wouldn't be beating
me. It'd be, it's the game of
cricket that that players are playing for in their era.
So he was very adamant that Molder should have gone and got

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it and gone and got like 550 or whatever.
He could go and get, go and get as many runs as possible.
Then he got onto his 501 and howthe rain helps him there and
suddenly got kept going, kept going.
So it could only be a draw. And then the CEO's of
Warwickshire's going. You need to go and get the
record, go and get as many as you can.
So he went and got 500 as you do.

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But yeah, he was. That's awesome.
He was warm, he was funny, he was engaging.
He was you know, they were say sort of don't meet your heroes
or whatever you or that sort of thing.
But he was wicked. He was he was great value, great
fun. I actually bowled his last ball
of in international cricket is he retired for the West Indies
and tells him World Cup, but I never bowled at him.

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It was one of those weird situations.
I was so excited. I was in that guard of honor
like clapping him get shake his hands.
I was Brian Lara. It's Brian Lara and ran into
bowl at Marlon Samuels. Brian Lara's at the non
striker's end. He sort of hit it to mid on and
was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Brian's suddenly level with
me and I just heard my son was go.

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No, says yes, no dim, and I sortof look back to mid on.
KP picks the ball up. I'm now a foot away from Brian
Lara, almost making eye contact.KP throws the stumps down, run
out. Last ever game, so I was sort of
obviously delighted. International sport, their best
batters run out for nothing. But part of me wanted to bowl at

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him. Part of me wanted to sort of.
I kind of remember watching thatas like, wasn't KP like the only
one? Obviously he's made this like
run out, so he's the only one sort of running around
celebrating. I think everyone else has sort
of froze like, oh God like. That's yeah, like the whole of
Barbados is there, whole of Barbados.
And the legend, the most legendary well of our

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generation, West Indian cricketer's just been run out on
his last ever game. Didn't even get to like cut one
through the covers before it wassilence.
It was just awkward, you know? It's like, Oh no, I almost
wanted to put my arm on and go, Brian, come back, come back.
Should we, like retract the appeal?
But yeah, so. He must have been quite similar

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to the great cricketer and experience then.
The Wild West that is the Wild West.
They're great lads, aren't they?The the boys and the great
cricket. So yeah, they asked me if I'd go
to Hammersmith Apollo. They're doing a live show, done
a couple. It was sort of 3000 people at
the Hammersmith Apollo's walked onto stage and didn't know what

(54:33):
to expect, although I knew obviously the podcast.
We were guests, weren't we last week?
Fun, relaxed, chatty about cricket, pick up all the sort of
silly nuances that cricket throws out.
But the funniest thing was it's obviously after a day at the
cricket. So there's people have come from
Lourdes to Hammersmith and for the last hour of the show a

(54:55):
microphone went in the crowd so fans could sort of just ask
anything and the three of us areon stage and we'll answer
anything. Some alcohol have been drunk at
Lourdes trying to understand with 3000 people echoing around
a theatre trying to understand some of these questions at one
at one stage I'm certain a blokeasked a question if I could do

(55:17):
what I heard or the impression of it.
He sort of went yeah, just want to.
I just want to ask you if you ifyou could like an England
cricketer to garden furniture, who would it be?
I was like what? What?
Question. Who is that?
What garden furniture? And then suddenly you've got

(55:37):
3000 people like obviously looking at you waiting for your
answer of what? England cricketers like a piece
of garden furniture and you feelunder pressure to come up with
somebody. And I just had you came up with
what? Absolutely nothing.
I was literally just like, what on earth can I say?
I mean, what would you go with now?
Like just me here staring at yougone and just garden.

(55:58):
What England cricketers like a piece of garden furniture?
You said Joe Root, wasn't it like that sort of weather vane
that just doesn't move at first slip?
Maybe you should have been theirguest.
I've only said that because you've just been digging him out
for this fielding. But yeah, you can't really be

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kind about anyone who's a piece of garden furniture, can you
say? Yeah, I sort of went expecting
maybe it was great fun, but it like it was carnage, chaos.
Everyone's laughing like you know I.
Love Ash's chat. Yeah, I couldn't tell if the
audience was English or Australia because obviously the
boys are Australian with the podcast and I backed England at

(56:41):
one stage, said our top 3 is better than the Aussies, which
is hands down fact, by the way, a hands down a fact.
You're taking Crawley. Duck it Pope over Khawaja
Constas, Cameron Green at the minute and I could argue that
point for days with anybody if you fancy it, but I said that
got booed, got booed, booed. I'm in London, I got booed.

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I sort of, I went hang on a minute, am I in Brisbane here?
What's going on? So yeah, it was, it was, it was
great fun. They're great lads.
They're flying back to Australia.
Be careful that doesn't become one of those Washington Sundar
moments. And those 3 blokes averaged like
80 in that series. Yeah, part of the job now that
Jose and I've got to put an opinion out there.
Yourself on the line. Finally, Jose, you were you

(57:29):
taking a Mick at me last week? A bit of how good my week was,
how good a gig I've got. I went to Wimbledon on the
Monday, I went to Silverstone, Iwent to Edgbaston to watch a
brilliant Test match that India won't.
Well, our producer Chuck, when you're talking about Luxim on
Friday, the space of 10 minutes,his sister called him and said
free ticket for the women's Wimbledon final on Saturday.

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Are you keen? So off he goes and within 10
minutes later he'd won a competition he entered through a
local magazine to get free sourdough for a whole year.
Free sourdough for a whole year.I mean, first of all, would you
enter a would you enter a competition to get free
sourdough? I don't.
Know, I don't know, judging by the look of Chuck, he probably
would, wouldn't he? He's all in for his side but

(58:11):
yeah, that's some it's a nice bit of luck and there's probably
nothing but I actually think there's nothing better than
being lucky. Just that unexpected luck and to
get a ticket to the Wimbledon final, it's unbelievable.
And then, yeah, we have to get abit more detail on this
sourdough, like, is it all he can eat?
Is there some T's and C's in there or?
A few T's and C's. Currently it can't be must.

(58:32):
Be yeah, you can't clean them out, can he?
Just send in? So if you get sourdough for your
next birthday present or at Christmas, then you know, from
Chuck. From Chuck.
He's just giving it away. So not a bad spell.
But yeah, saying bad luck. We absolutely love good luck, so
send us in any of your luckiest stories and we can read out some

(58:52):
of the best ones on the pod. That's it for this one, Jose.
Keep an eye out for Thursday. We've got a special show in
which we talk about the massive role Data has in cricket.
Yes, we've got a special guest, a former colleague of mine,
Freddie Wilde, who is the analyst for the Royal
Challengers Bangalore, recent IPL winner and also aiming for
the the three P in the 100 with the Oval Invincibles.

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