August 18, 2025 ⢠53 mins
Jos, Broady & Ebony Rainford-Brent sit down to catch up on the latest Hundred action and also have a first look at the possible Ashes lineups this winter.
It's been a busy week in the world of cricket. Jos lifts the lid on England's latest prodigy and how he got his call-up from Baz McCullum.
Ebony picks her female G.O.A.T. and the lads discuss the latest set of awkward handshakes.
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I did text Rob Keith straight away when I was watching on the
telly and went lovely attributesthis lad.
Tell us a little bit more about Sonny Baker.
He thought he was getting prank called because he didn't have
Mccullum's number saved in his phone obviously and he's getting
a foreign phone number trying toget hold of him.
And he sort of answered thinkingthat someone trying to sell him
something or someone I know, something dodgy.
(00:21):
Hi mate, it's bad. And he said he literally fell
over, almost. I think Meg Lenning is just up
there with the greatest players.I'm going to throw in Sarah
Taylor. She's here with the ass, with
the originals and as a wicket keeper.
I just thought, you know, she really changed the game.
Genuinely don't think anyone could pen down Australias top
three right now, including George Bailey.
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I'm sure broad part of a three pronged attack this week with
Jose Butler and Ebony Rainford. Brent, we missed you last week.
Jose. Before we start, I want to pass
on the love of everyone at the For the Love of Cricket podcast
at the passing of your dear dad,John.
Thanks, Brody. Yeah, obviously a tough, tough
time. But yeah, I really appreciate
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the support of everyone I know. Me and my family have been very
grateful to to receive so many wonderful messages from the
cricket community and of course it it means a lot.
We also you raise you your head to the skies with your 50 for
the Manchester Originals. We've had some wonderful
messages on our social media platforms.
I'd like to read you a couple ifthat's OK.
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Manchester Originals fan accounton X A word for Josh Butler to
be able to perform at the highest level whilst dealing
with the grief of losing a parent is quite something.
And Rosari on Instagram. I lost my brother two months
back and I've been struggling with grief.
When I saw Josh do what he did against the Welsh fire it was so
inspiring. I got out early in the morning
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to run after years. He's always been so inspiring
and will continue to be. My deepest gratitude to him and
wishes to his family. Yeah, thanks Brody.
And obviously condolences to Rosari as well.
But yeah, I think it's it's beena really strange time.
It feels very surreal and you'resort of trying to separate, you
know, just the cricketer and, you know, actually, you know,
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cricket's been a bit of a a safehaven.
It was obviously a huge passion for my dad.
He loved watching me play. So I've just tried to sort of
focus on that and sort of try and enjoy the cricket as much as
I can and use it as a bit of a safe place actually, which has
has been great. And obviously, you know, I must
say the Manchester Originals, you know, all the teammates and
the staff have been been so supportive and fantastic.
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So yeah, I really appreciate it and it's it's been very helpful.
We've all been thinking of your hoes and it's been the 100 that
that's kept you really busy, hasn't it?
With the Manchester Originals right in the mixer of the
tournament, We're we're halfway through of of eight teams in the
men's and women slugging it out to try and reach the final at
Lords. I'll start with you.
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It was what for you, you made ofit so far at the halfway stage.
Yeah, I think good to be back guys, as well.
Thank you so much. I think the thing that has got
me kind of most excited is just how the scores keep seeming to
get bigger. We saw 226 from the Oval
Invincibles, and it kind of blows your mind of what is
possible in such a format. I mean, ultimately we're facing
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100 balls or we're seeing 100 balls.
I'd also throw in as well, like seeing Liam Livingston smash
Rashid Khan, the best bowler in the world, and he hit him for 26
in and over, all over the park. And you're just thinking what is
the possibility of cricket? And I think that's what's been
exciting about this tournament. Grace Harris is another one for
London's spirit. She's been, you know, hitting
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the ball out, out all parts. So I'm just trying to wonder
what is the limit because this is this year, who knows?
You know, as people work out thetactics, work out when to take
bowlers down, you know, work outif someone bowls 10, can they,
you know, maximise it? I think there's just more to
come. I get the sense the players
quite enjoy how the 100 offers up slightly different tactical
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scenarios than just regular T20 cricket.
Is that do the players talk about that, Jose?
Yeah, they do. Actually, I think the 10 balls
is there's a huge part of it, you know, a bowler being able to
carry on and say they've been bowling well.
I think sort of Tom Moody's partactually saying that
statistically the second five isnever as good when you you do
that. But there's definitely been
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times, you know, Sonny Baker's started brilliantly for US
against the London Spirit and itwas a amazing tactical move to
be able to just let him carry onas a batter.
In that sense you like, I can't wait for the end of this over in
traditional T20 to get someone else to bowl.
So that can be big. It can as a batter, sometimes
you can get stuck down one end abit as well.
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There's sort of 6 ball overs. You get to you know, the fifth
ball and just think, you know, I'll get out of this and let my
partner take over from the otherend.
And so there's different things at play.
And then obviously as a batter, if you're going really well to
sort of be able to take 10 ballsin a row, homework class and
really got going for US against the Northern Superchargers and
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just faced all the last 10 ballsof the innings from one end and
and scored, you know, I think about 40 odd runs.
So yeah, there's some really interesting sort of things that
the hundreds thrown up. I do think, you know, the
players are more accustomed to it now and sort of understanding
the format really well, even, you know, looking at the
scoreboard and, you know, just seeing runs and balls.
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And that took me a while a few years ago to I'm always looking
at overs and trying to work out required run rate that way.
So it's taking a little bit of time.
But yeah, I think the players are absolutely loving it.
One of the best things I think, as a player is the pace of play
and everyone just gets on with it and keeps moving, not
changing ends. Actually, you know, I thought
that was a real gimmick to startwith, but it speeds up play so
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much, which has been great. And it just feels like there's
just action happening the whole time.
I think that's getting reciprocated from from the
crowds. They just seem really engaged in
the game. And obviously we've had amazing
summer of weather as well. So yeah, the grounds have been
packed and people have been really enjoying the format, I
think. On the on the originals,
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Manchester Originals, you've blown hot and cold a little bit.
Is it? Is there a reason for that?
No particular reason. I think actually I think there's
a couple of games where you justneed to get over the line and we
haven't done it. We had a game against the
Southern Brave that swung, you know, both ways actually.
And then we looked like we were home and hosed and then Tamal
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Mills sit at six, Craig Overton at six and four very next ball.
Suddenly they were back in charge, and then I think what,
we'll sit at three off even 3 off 3 or something like that,
and Tamal got out. Then Reese toply came in #11 and
played the perfect Don Bradman late cut for four to win them
the game, which was a bit of a killer, I don't think.
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He's ever been compared to Don Bradman with the bat.
That way he has been, he was telling me about how I think
which edition of the Hundred it was, he had the highest strike
rate in the tournament from #11 and actually when he came out to
bat, as I did, I would say here he is highest strike rate in the
comp. So he goes, you'll find out why
he's just played the most perfect cut for four and it's
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just, you know, another strike rate of 400 toppers who got them
over the line. So that was an absolute dagger
for us. And and then we were well
outplayed by the Oval, but probably could have and should
have won against the Welsh Fire as well.
So we've had our opportunities and, you know, and we've just
missed out when it comes to the crunch and on those moments.
But we're still in the comp. And yeah, I think we'll probably
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need to win every game from here.
But yeah, we've got ourselves still in it.
And I think the tournament needed it actually, a lot of
close games. And I think there's been more
close games this year than I cansort of remember.
And for just for us to have thatobviously losing result to start
with, but a real tight game. I think it's been really good
for the tournament to have theseclose finishes.
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Ebbs Before I get on to just keeping wicket to Sonny Bake.
We've got a few talking points in the hundreds so far, the
men's and women's side, but Sonny Bake has been someone that
the commentators have been talking about, the media have
been talking about. This actually got him into an
England ODI squad as well, got his first senior call up.
What has your take been on him? Watching him and seeing what
(08:18):
attributes he's got? Yeah, I remember seeing him in
one of the first games and thought straight away you see
pace and you think, you know, he's got something on offer here
and he was what I like actually is character.
Sometimes you know, someones thrown in, they're in the
limelight, how do they handle big crowds, all of that pressure
and he seemed to handle it well.Another thing which is actually
I've been interested to see a lot of bowlers seem to be
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changing going to the orca thesedays.
So he's got a few skills, he's got the slower ball, he's I've
got the variations that he seemslike you kind of need the
baseline. One of the games I watched,
remember, he didn't quite come off, but he's been for me,
someone who's just straight awayyou think X Factor, you know,
you've got to have him in the hat and you've got to see what's
possible. I watched him bowled against the
London Spirit where he went awayto David Warner, like away,
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away, away. And then Kane Williamson, I
think came in and he went away swinger to him.
I thought, OK, so he's got some some good skills.
I'm quite conscious not to judgesomeone on 20 balls because
anyone can charge in and bowl good pace for 20 balls.
It's it's about the longevity ofbeing able to do that.
But I did text Rob Keith straight away when I was
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watching on the telly and when lovely attributes this lad.
So you know, I think you can tell immediately.
OK, I like his run up. I like his stride pattern, like
the fact he hits the crease at agood tempo.
He's obviously got control of what he's doing.
Very raw, yes. But when you get those sort of
talents like Josh did at a youngage, like Harry Brooke, you dip
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them into international cricket straightaway, give them a taste,
see what they're about. You can dip them out again,
doesn't matter. But expose them early and then I
think you can. They learn quicker because
there's no doubt the best place to learn your cricket is
international cricket because you have to learn so quickly.
You're getting judged. Everything about use, you're
bowling at the best, you're batting against the best.
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So I'm not surprised Sonny Baker's getting a bit of a, a
dip into the international make up just because he's made his
mark on the 100. And you know Jose, you've I'd
say probably got the best seat in the house because you're not
having to face the pace in the sense you're just having to
catch it. But have you been impressed with
him and does he hit the gloves hard?
Yeah, I've been so impressed with him.
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No, I actually hadn't seen him bowl much at all before coming
here and you're sort of straightinto the tournament.
There's only a couple of of daysbefore our first game and he
actually didn't bowl because he'd been had a big workload in
one of the four day games just before.
So, you know, I'd heard lots about him, heard about his
attributes. He'd obviously impressed with
the and he's been away with England Lions, etcetera.
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But naively, probably, I thoughtI you know, he's a bit of a tear
away and just bowls really fast.I wonder you you wonder about
the skill levels and and it's sort of been like a what can I
say, like a bit of an onion. There's just layers that you
keep sort of discovering. So you obviously can bowl fast.
They say that game against London spirit and you go, OK,
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how's it going to go against Warner?
Sort of was the perfect execution of a plan to David
Warner. He knows take it across him from
a tight line at good pace. And then they say came William
saying came on strike and Lewis Gregory stands at slip and he
played with Sunny at Somerset and he's moved on to Hampshire.
And as I said to Lewis, you know, knows he run this back in
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or what do you? And like I say, then fast away
swinger, you know, really impressive.
So to have that level of skill and obviously with the pace and
he delivers from quite wide on the crease as well, which is
quite I always find as a batter quite an awkward angle,
especially if you can still takeit away from there.
So yeah, that was obviously really impressive the game
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against the Spirit and it's seeing guys back it up.
I think is really Stace said broadly 20 balls, someone can
have a day out and bowl really well.
But we played the game against the Welsh fire Bestow and Smith
another great opening partnership, swinging the ball
quite profuse, profusely. Sorry, you know, really
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impressive start again and then very exciting for him gets his
international call up. It's amazing actually talking to
him about that. And I went to him and say, no,
congratulations on your call up.And he, it's just that he
couldn't believe it. He's just like he said, I was so
tired yesterday from just like the emotion of getting a call up
and, you know, speaking to my parents, he's like, my parents
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were even more emotional than I was.
And it's really special when yousort of get to see someone like
that and just realise, you know,how much it means to someone to
receive that call. And he, he thought he was
getting prank called because he didn't have Mccullum's number
saved in his phone, obviously. And he's getting a a foreign
phone number trying to get hold of him and he sort of answered
(12:54):
thinking that someone trying to sell him something or someone, I
don't know, something dodgy. And hi, mate, it's bad.
And he said he literally fell over almost to, you know,
receiving that call, which is really cool.
But the game after being called up for England, I always think
it's a tough one, you know, because suddenly there's another
expectation. OK, this guy's in the England
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squad. He's you know, will he still be
able to do not perform because you know, you can perform, but
it's quite a lot to deal with, right?
You know, suddenly your name's up in lights and it's one of the
great things about the 100 is every game is on TV so you don't
miss a thing. It's not like these spells that
he's bold of, you know, just being caught on the on the live
stream. You know, it's going out to all
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the millions are watching and heperformed really well again and
he seems to love the occasion. I think ABS mentioned it before,
you know, the big crowds and taking the new ball and he just
looks really excited and which is great about him, as you
mentioned, But there's so much more to come when you're such a
young bowler and you know, I'm sure he knows a lot about
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himself and and a lot about his skills, But you can probably
look at him and just think, wow,the potential.
Once you, you know, you Polish that more and more and get him
straight into international cricket, playing against the
best players in the world, He'llthen have to, you know, learn
and adapt and see new things again or, or actually, well, my
skills really suit this. So yeah, he's he's been a really
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exciting player. I think he's like, yeah, loves
the occasion and sort of a real sort of great attitude on him as
well to go with all those attributes.
I think you've got to love the occasion actually to, to perform
in, in front of crowds. You've got to have a, you can't
be scared of the occasion. You've got to, you're going to
obviously going to have times that doesn't quite suit you, but
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you, you've got to feel like youwant to be out there performing.
Actually, I want to pick your brain on Davina Perrin.
So I watched her play for the superchargers and helmet was
off. You know, it was like banger
boundary. I'm here.
I thought I watched her and thought, you know, you've got
something about something about,you know, I looked at the comms,
our sheet, and she's so young but so young but so confident
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that what are your thoughts on her?
Yeah, I've known Davina since about 13.
I remember I spoke to her family, actually it was during
COVID. She was about 13.
They got in touch. They were just keen during that
period to get some mentoring. We started the ACE programme and
she was already playing. So, you know, we didn't discover
it was more support throughout the last only five years.
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And you know, like it sounds really bad, but I hear you guys
must hear it. Oh, I've got this great child.
They're so talented and you think, oh, great, but sometimes
they're not. They're not.
It's just a lot of love. And I went up as soon as sort of
lockdown was with some of the guys from ACE and we were in the
Nets. I remember said, OK, play this
shot. And she plays it and plays it
with a bit of swagger, you know,like there's a cheeky look in
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her eye. All right, ramp this OK, smash
this over extra, OK. And literally every shot I asked
her to play, she was playing. And I kept cranking up the speed
on the machine. And she just had this skill set
and I think there's something for me about her.
She was breaking some of Charlotte Edwards junior
records, which is always a sign when a young players coming
through and breaking records that have stood a long test of
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time. She didn't quite get her looking
at Birmingham Phoenix when she was there because she would have
ended up being the youngest player, 15 in the 100.
So she was in the squad but didn't play and made the right
move I think to Superchargers. But what I like I mean Nas said
it on commentary. He was like I've never seen
someone play A1 handed scoop before.
She doesn't mind having a bit offun and she I think for her, her
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game plan as she grows is going to be learning when to use the
right shots and when not to. And she's in side with some of
the Aussies like Annabelle Sutherland, who are consistently
performing. So she's got that talent.
And I think for her now it's going to be how do I make this
consistent on the big stage? We've all seen what she's
capable of. I think she can handle pressure.
She's got great family around her, a lot of support from us at
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a. So yeah, I think that's that's
the key. And you know, I think, you know,
you guys have been around the game a lot, isn't it?
It's having that that potential,but then converting it
consistently enough that people really start to to talk about
you. So she's she's lit up, lit up
the competition for me. And I don't know, you've seen a
bit of her broadly, but yeah, I think she can go all the way.
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What? What do you think?
Yeah, I mean, I I was actually in the pod with Charlie Dagnell,
who who very knowledgeable on the women's game as he watched a
lot of cricket as immediate. I was commentating on her and
just the way she'd pick a gap and the cleanliness of the
strike, you know, when someone'shitting it different to the
other batters on the on the pitch.
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I just looked at I looked at Dagnes and said, is it too early
to think this she should play for England?
Yeah, I was like, she honestly, she had that sort of typically
I'm now on the other side of thefence.
When you're playing, it's very much like, you know, you've got
to earn your right, you've got to put inconsistent performance,
getting England called and now you're in the media.
Anyone performs once, you're like, come on, yeah, you play
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for England. But I I looked at just her, her
style and confidence and just the way she struck the ball, I
thought feels like she should bein and around that that that
higher level, but also very conscious.
What she 18. You don't want to put someone in
and slow down their development because it's too early.
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But you know, for put to put in those sort of performances in
the 100, which is her sort of biggest former at the moment,
playing in front of the bigger crowds against the the best
bowlers. You know, it's really
impressive. And you do you.
Do you see a in the next couple of years playing for England?
Yeah, 100%. I think she's already played
England under 19. She's done well, you know, a
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couple of 50s there in the the last under 19 World Cup.
But I also think there's, you know, Rob Key's quite good at
this, doesn't it? Which I think is you don't
always have to wait to see all the results in all county
cricket, all domestic before youexpose a player.
And we've seen whether it's Shoaib Bashir's or young players
coming through the men's Englandsetup.
And it will be for Charlotte Edwards to to think, you know,
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she has got some great players, but they've been around for a
while and they might be the sortof succession of who are the
Next up and coming people to support the Alice Capsies and
look at sort of a five year sortof game plan.
So I think if there's there's one would be a coach might just
go, let's give them that exciting chance to develop in
the international environment oreven just being around the
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squad. And that might come quite soon.
And then the other is if she does put in that weight of
performance, she scored 100 in the domestic competition just
before this started and you start to think, okay, keep
racking up and maybe in the nextcouple of years she could play.
So I think she'll be very exciting.
I would 100%. You know, someone said she
played for England. I would.
I could see it without doubt. So yeah, exciting times for her.
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I don't know if you've seen her.Joss, have you had a chance to
see a bit of Dave? Do you know what I actually, to
be very honest, I haven't, but I'd need to go and watch these
highlights and I want to find out about this one handed scoop
shot. I think I need to try and try
and learn that one. But well, she sounds incredibly
exciting and it must be really cool for you EPS to have such a
have had such a role in her career so far.
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I think as a coach, you would bereally, really excited to go.
OK, we you know, it's on us to you know, she should make it.
We should make a. As big as possible.
And as soon as we're done here, I'm gonna go and watch the
highlights and try and learn theone handed scoopshot.
So babes, you mentioned as well the ACE programme.
No, tell us a bit more about that and how you how you help
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Davina, how you help other players and just tell us a bit
about the ACE programme. Yeah, we'd seen there's just
been a decline. I remember it was Joffra Archer
bowling to Steve Smith. And every year there's also
always a question of where have sort of the black cricketers in
the UK gone? And we, you know, we used to
have a big community, the Devon Malcolm's, the Chris Lewis and
that kind of died off. And so it's just an opportunity
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to see what talent was out therecan we support and bring
through. And it's been amazing actually.
We get, we've got, we get to grassroots, we go into schools
and it's not just black communities, we get into working
class communities who don't haveaccess to cricket and we support
them all the way through up to the pathway.
So we've got 6 academies linked to the county pathways.
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So we've got 200 kids and, and agood portion, about 30% now
we're into county pathways. We've got 2 who've signed
contracts, one with Sussex, a boy called Troy and Amy who's
just gone up to the blaze which is at Nottingham,
Nottinghamshire. So it's quite exciting for us
because I think we just wanted to make sure that it wasn't lost
in the community in terms of kids who, you know, we look
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forward in a few years and thinkwe should have re engaged.
But also we're seeing so much talent.
I mean, we get we saw this kid who was playing a lot of St.
cricket and he's churning out 88miles an hour.
We clocked him. You think where where are these
kids? So what it allows us to do is
just provide an environment. It's a big step up for some into
sort of understanding professionalism.
So I wouldn't even say we're creating talent.
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I think was just supporting young people into the game.
So yeah, to have two already signed rookie contracts and
they're getting extended, which is exciting to see.
Davina, who we worked with since13, Yeah, hopefully one day when
I'm sort of fully grey haired, Imean, I got a couple now.
It's just going to be nice to see so many kids come through,
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which is great. So yeah, we're in six cities
with a load of the counties, andit's been fun.
That's fantastic. You doing some brilliant work
ebbs with the with the Ace program.
I look forward to you commentating on Davina and
keeping a neutral tone when she wacks it for six.
It's like it's like commentatingagainst the Oval Invincibles.
I'm not impartial. That's it for Part 1, but stay
tuned as we'll be discussing sledging and whether Meg Lanning
(22:30):
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with your business. Now guys, I want to put your
brains on some. We haven't heard too much
sledging on the stunt. Mike EBS.
I don't know, Josh might tell usa little bit more, but there was
a little sledging story that came out from the Birmingham
Phoenix and the Oval Invinciblesbetween Tom Curran and Liam
Livingston, who actually great friends have gone on holiday
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together and stuff, but they just had a bit of white lime
fever maybe. Livingston was on 16 at the time
and Tom Curran had a little wordwith him and Liam Livingston
said to the BBC after. I've got no idea why Tom started
to spray me, He's one of my goodfriends and he called me a fat
slob or something and I said let's hope you don't go for a
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few if you come back at the death and he did.
So I'm kind of happy. And Livingston ended up with 69
off 27 to chase down 182 with two balls to spare.
So I'd suggest the the sledging fired up Liam Livingstone.
What do you make of that? I think it's brilliant, but
sorry, you go just. No, you go, you're into it, you
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think it's brilliant. So.
Yeah, well, when I say it's brilliant, obviously I'm not
encouraging young people to get into it, but I love it because I
was there at the game and you'rejust, you could see him just go
through the gears and you're thinking what is going on?
And obviously he's got stuck in.And also, look, he really pumped
Tom Curran at the end. I was thinking at the time like
Tom Curran, I'm surprised he even wanted to let go of the
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ball because he was coming at him.
He was like his eyes were there.But I think what it does, it
just adds drama. I think that's the one thing I
love in in in a game. It's a little bit of drama.
You don't want it to be a bit slight spicy maybe.
I don't know that you you guys would know more than me.
In the men's game, that might becreeping over the line.
Where does the line draw? I don't know if body images is
maybe a little bit tight, but I'm here for it.
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It's spiced up the game. Look how we played.
I think it got him in the zone and then you then you got
something to talk about, right? So here for the drama.
Or is that too far? No, I loved it.
Absolutely. Just a baggy shirt on Livia
isn't it? He's not a big lad, but he yeah,
I thought, do you know, I was thinking as well as went to the
5th edition of the 100 now and guys have been, you know, to
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start with it was all new and itwas, you know, you hadn't sort
of settled in to got your roots in the team, whereas now people
really do. And you know, there's guys at
the Oval, the currents have beenthere since the start, Sam.
But you see, this is really our team and we want to win and
obviously they've won the last two and there's I just think
people have an ownership and a belonging to their sides now.
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And Livingstone's been at the Phoenix since the start.
So there's that pride and stuff for your own team and there's a
bit more feeling and niggle around things and there's a bit
of banter about who's won the previous games, who smashed who
in which game and etcetera, etcetera.
So yeah. And it's always great for a
batter to be able to give it back to a bowler actually,
because the bowler generally gets the last laugh, don't they,
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with a send off. And as a batter, if you're out
you, you've got nothing to come back with.
So always loved batters who can give it a pack to the but always
think of KP just like telling people they were no good when
they're running up to bowl at him and smacking them everywhere
and just ultimate sort of big dogging it.
But yeah, Livingstone's been in in fine form.
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He's played brilliantly well andyou know, obviously know him
really well. He's a really good mate of mine.
And the 6th hitting ability and the way to switch gears, how he
played Rashid Khan in in that game was amazing.
And he loves that added responsibility.
He likes being up the order. He likes playing that role.
He's captain of the team there being the main man.
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And it was a huge, I thought a huge statement for him and a
huge statement win for his team to beat.
You know, probably the best teamin the competition for us at the
moment. The men, the overall are the
team to beat. You know, there's nothing better
as a batter to be not out at theend, having seen your your side
over the line and done it against a high quality bowling
attack. So yeah, it was a good needle.
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Good to see. And yeah, it's nice to see the
passion in the game. Obviously no need to body
shaming, but it's it's good to see that competition and how
much people want to win and how desperate people are to to do it
because we all are out there having fun and expressing
ourselves and having a great time.
But ultimately there's some hardnosed professional cricketers
who who want to win. So yeah, it was box office,
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talking points and all. Fair play to Liam Livingstone.
He played brilliantly, brilliantly well to get his side
over the line and have the last laugh.
He's been superb in the tournament so far, actually.
He's his his. His strike rate's awesome, as
you normally expect, but his consistency's been really good.
I just wonder whether there's something that Livingstone can
connect to that when he does getfired up, he it brings the best
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out of him a little bit. I'm not saying that sometimes in
an England shirt he's been a bitpassive, but I think because he
doesn't get a huge amount of responsibility at the top level,
maybe doesn't quite get himself in the emotional place that he
needs to be. But when there's a bit of a
spark on him or when he is that that main guy in in the team, it
does seem to bring the best out of him.
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You know, it's always difficult in international cricket when
you're batting at 7:00 and you're bowling a bit of part
time and you're expected to comein at 7 and win your team the
game. He's someone who looks like he
likes to be at 3 or 4 and and play the main part.
But obviously in the England side you've got Butler roots
that you know these guys that are a bit better that that bat
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in those roles. So it is good to see him find
something and just get that in abit of energy in his batting
that that sometimes when you're batting at 7, you come in for 10
balls, you you struggle with a little bit.
But he's lit up the the men's side, although the Phoenix
haven't gone particularly well themselves.
But he's he's certainly playing beautifully.
Ebbs wanted to mention Meg Lanning to you.
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Is it fair to say she might be the best of all time with the
bat? You know she's she's able to
find Fine 100 herself, having moved across the river in
London. What do you make of her?
Yeah, I, I think Meg Lanning is just up there with the greatest
players and it's, I think it's for a few reasons.
It's, you know, on paper, say for example, you compare it to
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Charlotte Edwards. Charlotte Edwards has got 10,000
runs plus. But where Meg is playing is in
in the modern game across four different formats.
She's produced, she's LED a sideas well internationally that
dominated and still dominates world cricket and has set that
tone. And then you see she comes out
here even after sort of steppingback from international cricket
and she's able to just straight away out the blocks, just come
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in and what I like actually I'venoticed this with a couple of
players this year. They're prepared to give
themselves four or five balls before they go large actually.
And you sometimes think in 100 you have to go ball 1 and go all
out it. I saw Zach Crawley do it the
other day up at Leeds. I saw Meg Lanning in both top
score innings. She's given herself four or five
balls, assessed the competition,assess the wicket.
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And then she's so smart of picking her area.
And I think that the consistency, the ability to hit
all parts, she's got some of these flare shots.
I mean hitting the sixes when she she decides to keep going
through the gears and then her leadership ability.
So I don't think there's it'd behard to press many better for
me. The only other you know, many
people talk about is Elise Perry.
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I mean, and as an all rounder, Ithink, you know, if you're
taking wickets and scoring runs,she's around the 7000 runs plus
300 and odd wickets internationally.
You know, she is up there. But I always lean on like
someone who created an impact, not just in the way they played,
but sort of set the tone for everybody else.
And so her leadership ability, her consistency and her runs for
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me is the greatest. I don't know you've seen them
both Elise and and Meg Lanning broadly, but I don't know, I
think Meg is mostly up there with the girl or she's as close
to getting there, especially in the modern game.
Elise Perry for me, I like watching her, that genuine all
round ability, been consistent for a long time.
Incredible sportsperson, not just in cricket as well.
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Did she play in the World Cup football as well for Australia,
I think, which is incredibly impressive.
You know, I think to be honest, I'm not saying she's a guy.
Yeah, but Annabelle Sutherland for me is as a as a cricketer
coming in in the middle order for the Superchargers and the
way she bowls, what beautiful action she's got.
So she's got a huge amount of ability to to be up there in
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Star names as well. I sort of lean towards Nats of a
brunt and I've got real soft spot for in the sense that she's
she's homegrown, she's English. You you want England to players
to do well. She strikes the ball really
differently. Actually, she a bit like maybe
it's just because she uses Kookaburra like Jose, but a
little bit like she goes about it goes about her business.
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I'd like to see her take a touchmore responsibility in the
rocket side. She bats 4, has moved up to
three a bit like Josh did, movedup to opening in T20 cricket
when he was middle order. And Josh has talked about that
in the pop before about being Mumbai Indians and dry wardeners
choice to do that. I wonder whether or not could
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just go, Do you know what if we lose it, we're losing only
wickets. I'm in anyway.
Just let me go and use the powerplay.
Let me face as many balls as I possibly can and we might just
see a real change in that. So she's not getting 50 not out,
she's getting 75 and winning theteam the game.
I would I would lean on that on that route, but I think that has
to be her choice. I know just wasn't necessarily
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your choice, but I wonder if she's just comfortable being in
that middle order and seeing howthe game pans out.
There's a lot of extra pressure and stress opening the batting
and setting the game up, but whywouldn't you want to bat with
two fielders out? Yeah, get up there.
I think I said to you, every batter wants to bat at the top.
I think that's where, you know, you need those real team players
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and selfless ones at 567, but the rest of us just greedy and
want the most balls. So yeah, if she's get up there,
yeah. And like, say what a player she
is like, say, if there's only two fielders out, the impact
that she could have at the start, it's always difficult,
isn't it, because you are part of a team and you've got to find
the right balance and, you know,make sure you're getting the
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most out of everyone possible. But when you've got such a star
player in such a short format, you know, to expose them to the
most amount of balls possible isis obviously something that you
could do. But just going back to the the
GOAT debate, I'm going to throw in Sarah Taylor.
She's here with the As for the originals and as a wicket
keeper, I just thought, you know, she really changed the
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game, the standard of her wicketkeeping.
She's probably still taken the most remarkable catch she's ever
seen, like a full blooded reverse sweep, but she just
dived and took one handed from stood up to the stump.
So I've I've loved working with her here.
So and I thought she was a bit of a trailblazer.
So I'm just going to going to put her in the conversation as
well. Yeah, she's a for me.
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I remember playing with her. We were playing Australia, I
think it was at Chelmsford. We had a good crowd in and she,
I think she's scored 100 that day, but I'm out in the middle
with her and people always ask you, what do you chat about in
the middle? And I think we were chatting
about EastEnders for a bit and then she just got giddy at this
point and she was like, right, mate, where do you want me to
hit the next one? And so between balls I go right,
I want you to ramp her right. I want you to hit it over extra
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right. And she literally would for fun
just run down. And no matter, bearing in mind
we had people like Elise Perry bowling, They had high quality
bowlers. Shelley Shelley Mitski is one of
the great left hand spinners, Lisa Stellaker.
And she just was having so much fun, which I think is brilliant
for a player anyway. But she had that talent to be
able to put the ball anywhere with the bat and then behind the
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stumps. I mean, honestly, even Gilchrist
says it, You know, there, there.I don't think there's many
better men or women just with that natural ability.
So she's not far off the goat upthere for me as well.
All right, well, we've made no decision on the GOAT at all.
So we've just sat on the fence till because I've got the last,
last word. I'm going to say Elise Perry,
well done. You're the GOAT of the beloved
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cricket podcast because that's my opinion.
But it's time for us to let you go to your next 100 match.
Look forward to hearing you callthe Games and thanks for joining
us once again. Cheers guys.
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Big story. Away from the 100.
I want to chat a little bit about Jacob Bethel, set to
become England youngest ever men's captain, 21 years old,
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will lead the side in some T 20son a tour of Ireland in
September. Jose, big responsibility.
You feel like he's ready. Yeah, huge responsibility,
obviously incredibly exciting for him.
That would be a really, really proud moment.
Obviously Harry, Brooke and the the Test boys won't be on that
tour, so needing a captain and it's great to see, you know, a
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young guy given a chance like that, be exposed to captaincy
responsibility. It's obviously started so well
in international cricket and we've spoken a bit on this part
about, you know, people who justlook like they've got the game
for it or they look ready or they've got the attitude or
whatever attributes it is for international cricket.
And I think that's been one of the things about Jacob Bethel
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that everyone has taken to. He's obviously got the talent
and the game, but the head on his shoulders in the way he
conducts himself at the crease, the way he plays, the way he is
around the group, etcetera, etcetera, that you know, maybe
down the line he's a future captain.
So I think it's a really cool way to expose him to it really
early and give him a taste of it.
You know, I know sort of some people will say it's just a
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series away in Ireland, but it becomes a massive series for him
and obviously without Harry Brook there, there's an
opportunity to expose someone tosome leadership experience.
So a big, big moment for him, say youngest ever captain for
England. That's another tag to put on,
you know, on his list of achievements that he's already
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got so far. And yeah, I think it one thing
that does happen a lot, if you get involved in international
cricket early, your captaincy chances, say in county cricket
or franchise cricket, etcetera, become quite limited because
you're just not around to to do that.
And then, you know, suddenly we're in the international game,
we're like, right, we need a captain.
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Where do they come from? So this is obviously a good
chance to to give a young guy exposure and see how he handles
it, see how he plays when he's captain, etcetera.
But you know, he's got great people around him still.
He'll have a good coaching staffaround him, some some senior
players to to lean on. But it's just a nice experience
for him and I'm sure he'll relish it.
Yeah, it's not, I mean captain almost sort of a a second team
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slash 3rd 11:00 just because there's that much cricket going
on. So no real big names in the
squad apart from you Jose. It was described on the BBC
website as an under strength squad.
You slightly insulted that you're being dragged there.
No, I'm not insulted, you know, I can see it for it and no
disrespect to Ireland, but there's some big cricket on the
horizon for England, isn't there, with the Ashes coming
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soon after that. So the guys like Brooke Smith,
Duckett, Archer, there's a few big names there that have got,
you know, a big piece of cricketcoming on their plate.
So a trip to Ireland is not on their agenda this time.
So, you know, we are under strength.
I guess when you take you talk about those names I've just
mentioned there, but you know, we'll be going over there for
some good games, you know, be, be really challenging and like
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you say, there's a lot to look forward to And, and it's, you
know, sort of when younger players get their chance and any
international game's a big game and, and Ireland will definitely
want the scalp of, of beating usand still hurts me getting
beaten by Ireland in Melbourne 3years ago.
So I've got some revenge to go and play for.
Yeah, I'm sure there's some decent golf courses over there
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as well, Jose. So yeah, has everyone been
getting loads of questions through?
So let's try and get through some of them.
Rosemary in Northampton, US, we all know that England top 7 and
the Aussie attack for the first Ashes Test at Perth.
But what's the England attack and the Aussie top seven?
That is the the big question on everyone's lips.
Yeah, you've been very vocal, haven't you Run the Aussie,
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Aussie batting order. So I'll do the England attack
and I'll let you try and guess the Aussie top 7.
Get slammed on social. Media.
Exactly. They can't wait.
They can't wait to get you over there.
Archer. Yeah, Atkinson, Yeah, Bashir
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Stokes and Oh yeah, Mark Wood ifhe's fit.
Mark Wood if not, Josh Tang. Yeah.
I agree with that actually. Going yeah, actually, you know
about bowling, so it gives you abowling attack.
Yeah, exactly that. Archer you play, I think you
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have to front load this Series Alittle bit.
There's no point going there with the mindset of, oh, you
know, keep someone fit for Melbourne.
You have to go and get a result at Perth, first Test match, have
to either draw a win, preferablya win.
I think it's very difficult to beat the Aussies in the
paintball game, which is Test match 2 at the Gabba.
So I think they will win that. So you have to go and win the
first Test. So you go all out with your best
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attack, which is Wood, Archer, Atkinson, Bashir Stokes.
Then I definitely played Josh Tongue in the pink ball game
because he bowls that full of length that you can't
necessarily see that well with the ball and the lights.
You've got cast as a as a decentoption there as well.
So yeah, I would go with the theattack you mentioned to be
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honest and get get Mark Wood fitbecause there's a little bit of
doubt how the Aussies cope with the extreme pace.
And I've suppose I've got to name the top 7 Aussie, which I
don't think anyone in the world knows, even the the selectors of
Australia, you know, Steve Smithbefore Travis had five, probably
up there with Joe Rutan and Harry Brooke is the best four
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and five in world cricket. The number six is up to debate.
I would probably have Cam Green.They're not at 3.
Put Mana Celebrity Shame back at3:00 and then you've got a sort
of a shootout really for the opening spots.
Khawaja looks like he'll keep it, although he looks past his
best. And then you've got Conscious,
whose shirt theoretically is. But there's some other names
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being poked around, which I think is quite interesting for
Australian cricket is the spots up for grabs and it's Sheffield
Shield runs that will will get that spot nailed down really.
So yeah, I do see this series asEngland's better batting unit
unit against Australia's very solid, consistent, brilliant
bowling unit. So yeah, really, really excited
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for the series. But I don't think, I genuinely
don't think anyone could pen down Australia's top three right
now, including George Bailey. Yeah, they say they've got
SHIELD games, haven't they? And actually some opportunities
there for guys like you say. I think La Boschaine will come
back and I expect he'll score runs in those SHIELD games and
and, you know, make a a strong case for coming back in.
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But yeah, we'll we will see. Any bolters out there that you
think could make the England squad?
Any names? Ray and Ahmed having a fantastic
season. Who else we've got Sunny Baker
we've spoken about on here. Hassie Permeed, scored a load of
runs for Nottinghamshire. Is there any of those that you
think could make the squad or doyou think England seem a really
settled squad though, don't they?
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They do see seem a settled squad.
I think the difficulty is if Stokes misses a game, it seems
to throw the balance of everything.
Wokes doesn't look like he will go with a shoulder injury, so
you lose a bit of depth of batting there.
So you could look at someone like Iran Ahmed.
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Could you find a cricketer that could go in and bat 6 and bowl
you 12 a day to give everyone else a bit of a break and maybe
pick you up a wicket? Ran Ahmed's had a brilliant year
with the bat for Leicestershire and looked a nice player in the
100 as well. Five centuries.
I know that Division 2 Championship cricket is very
different to Pat Cummings, Perthand the Gabba, but could he be
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someone who could bat 6? So you're not having to change
the whole balance of the team and move someone to bat at six
or seven. Jamie Smith up to six, someone
at 7:00. You can just find a like for the
like. You're not going to find a like
for like for Ben Stokes, but could you find someone who could
go and do that? You know, Beth obviously bowls a
little bit at left arm spin. That's the way they tried to go
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at the Oval. Someone like Sam Curran comes
into my mind a little bit that you could say going bat 6 and
bowl me some wicket taking oversas well.
You know, I've always liked him as someone who copes with the
big game pressures as well with with someone like that.
And he's keen to play Test cricket again.
So do I see any differences in the squad?
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You know, it's not really Bas Mccullum's way.
He likes his settled teams, he likes the group that have been
in around and and about. But no, I can't see anyone
debuting, debuting in in Australia.
It's just not the way that theseguys have done it.
And also England Lions are out there I think at the same time
as well. So they can probably run a
pretty, you know, small and tight squad and then if they
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needed they will will drag people in.
But yeah, it's exciting. Isn't it already to start
thinking about the Ashes and so see Steve Smith saying you know
how sporting the wickets have been in Australia in the recent
few years so it's going to be a good challenge for for both Bank
sides. I can't wait.
I can't wait. Another question Chris?
Pete asks. If you had to pick one teammate
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to be stuck in a team hotel withduring a rain delay, who would
it be? During a rain delay.
I think you always find Jack Leach hilarious.
Jack Leach is hilarious. He would be good company if well
that's they are sort of warm. I'm going to cut the double act
of moan rash. I'll just take them.
Who would I avoid at all costs? You can.
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I love the fact I didn't even ask you that, but you're going
down the route of who am I goingto avoid?
Yeah, yeah, I would quite like to just sit on my own and just
not be bothered. You know, being a dad of three,
just a bit of quiet time is quite nice Every.
Time. How nice is your own company?
Just be quiet with no one. Around I'm, I'm, I've.
Never been bored in my life, just put me in a room just with
a bit of sport on the telly. Oh, I'm very happy.
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But am I avoiding just see, like, I don't know, probably
Zach, who talks too much? When you have.
Entirely quiet time, Zach Crawley because he just knows.
He's like, he's like Google, isn't he?
Just got an answer for everything.
So I'd probably avoid Zach. I have to, I have to bring Mark
Wood into this because he whenever he's to try and sit
next to me in the change room. Great friends with Mark Wood
love him to a bit, but he's got a huge amount of nervous energy
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and he can't be quiet or sit still.
You know, even when he sits nextto his legs are tapping, his
feet are tapping. So I had to.
Do you know that Ross from Friends sort of lowering hand
gesture of calm down? Yeah, I had to do that to him on
many occasions during Test matches and he just would nod at
me and sit down. So I think if I was trying to
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have a bit of chill out time away from me, two young kids,
peace quiet Forest on the TVI don't need Mark Wood there.
Yeah, I don't need. Him, anybody trying to prank you
and all sorts of weird stuff. Awkward handshakes, Jose.
We've seen a couple of absolute beauties this week and you can
see them on our Instagram account.
Kane Williamson, probably not myfavorite out of the two.
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Izzy Wong, an absolute cracker with Ishigua.
Talk us through it. What's gone wrong there?
I know absolute beauty. I just love how we are the place
for awkward handshakes. Yeah, the Williamson one had its
own beauty of just the like, we're in.
So how are we going to sort of try and just, you know, complete
this? But a microphone and iPad, I
think every player now should just just avoid the handshake at
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when you're doing an interview. But Izzy Wong was fantastic.
And I also like the payback. I did see she went and got her,
you know, Isha said, right, let's get this out of the way,
we'll shake hands and and she did her there as well.
So yeah, absolute beauty. Just a commitment to try and go
for it and just the sheer ignorance of just not even being
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aware that Izzy Wong was lookingfor a handshake, which is
fantastic. So.
Yeah, I have to lean on Isha's side there because she's
presenting, she's finished the question, then she's got to go
straight down the lens to well, that might be it for thanks,
Izzy. So she wouldn't have seen that.
I'd say. The Kane Williamson word,
actually the Kane Williamson oneme and I, Morgan, who you know,
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we, we always send the awkward handshakes to each other along
with you. And we were talking about in the
pod that day, how often it happens in sport, just
particularly the end bit, how players sometimes go for the
handshake, but then you don't know if they're passing you the
microphone back and you've got amicrophone in your hands.
So you're not quite sure how to go with it.
Do you delay? You tacked it to to put the hand
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up. And then Kane did it to Jenna,
the presenter. She's got iPad in her left hand,
microphone in the right and he put his hand out, shake hand.
I was like, Oh no, where does she go?
Where did she go? And you can't just say we
completely ignore, can you? It's like you can't just, you
can't ignore them and say sorry,yeah.
Have you had any near misses? No, because I've, you know how
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we used to always make it exactly crystal clear when we'd
see each other after a while? Like big hand out, just normal
handshake. I've gone down that route of
being really clear and precise. If I'm putting my hand out, it's
obvious you see in it, it's there.
And also with the pardon how we've gone about it and how many
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times I get sent awkward handshakes now on social media.
If I fall foul and get one wrong, I'm in for it, aren't I?
I'm very conscious every time I'm shaking a hand, and I also
have become when the players areshaking hands at the end of the
game. So if I'm watching like a hawk,
you know, I'm like, come on, someone get it wrong, someone
get it wrong. So you're under pressure as
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well. You know, if you make any
mistakes, we might just do a whole podcast on it.
Yeah. And I might just try and word a
few people up that say if you'redoing a, if you're presenting
this like just try and shake hishand or something.
Don't do that. It's actually really difficult
going down the line after a gamebecause you sort of there's like
there's like levels to people you'd know, isn't there?
So someone you've like never metbefore, which I think is a
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traditional handshake. But then the guy in front of you
might know the guy really well and they've gone for the like a
bit of a hug or so Then the he comes in for the net and you're
like, Oh no, does this guy expect him the hug or whatever.
And then you see someone you know really well.
You might have an inside joke oreven a, yeah, a way that you
always greet each other. So it's an absolute minefield
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out there. So you gotta keep yourself very
aware. And it's even made me bleed that
I'm that worried about it. So yeah.
Bleeding from the corner of the mouth.
Not sure how you managed that. I actually, I'll tell you how
that happened actually, is I I was putting my eldest to bed the
other day, Gigi and I went to give her a hug and sort of kiss
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her good night and she like verywas I need a wee and it's just
literally sat up so fast and just nutted me right on the lip.
And I've had a fat lip and a cutlip since then.
So yeah, haven't been, haven't been in any fights just yet.
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Just search love of cricket pod.Kick and wow.
I did text Rob Keith straight away when I was watching on the
telly and went lovely attributesthis lad.
Tell us a little bit more about Sonny Baker.
He thought he was getting prank called because he didn't have
Mccullum's number saved in his phone obviously and he's getting
a foreign phone number trying toget hold of him.
And he sort of answered thinkingthat someone trying to sell him
something or someone I know, something dodgy.
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Hi mate, it's bad. And he said he literally fell
over, almost. I think Meg Lenning is just up
there with the greatest players.I'm going to throw in Sarah
Taylor. She's here with the ass, with
the originals and as a wicket keeper.
I just thought, you know, she really changed the game.
Genuinely don't think anyone could pen down Australias top
three right now, including George Bailey.
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I'm sure broad part of a three pronged attack this week with
Jose Butler and Ebony Rainford. Brent, we missed you last week.
Jose. Before we start, I want to pass
on the love of everyone at the For the Love of Cricket podcast
at the passing of your dear dad,John.
Thanks, Brody. Yeah, obviously a tough, tough
time. But yeah, I really appreciate
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the support of everyone I know. Me and my family have been very
grateful to to receive so many wonderful messages from the
cricket community and of course it it means a lot.
We also you raise you your head to the skies with your 50 for
the Manchester Originals. We've had some wonderful
messages on our social media platforms.
I'd like to read you a couple ifthat's OK.
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Manchester Originals fan accounton X A word for Josh Butler to
be able to perform at the highest level whilst dealing
with the grief of losing a parent is quite something.
And Rosari on Instagram. I lost my brother two months
back and I've been struggling with grief.
When I saw Josh do what he did against the Welsh fire it was so
inspiring. I got out early in the morning
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to run after years. He's always been so inspiring
and will continue to be. My deepest gratitude to him and
wishes to his family. Yeah, thanks Brody.
And obviously condolences to Rosari as well.
But yeah, I think it's it's beena really strange time.
It feels very surreal and you'resort of trying to separate, you
know, just the cricketer and, you know, actually, you know,
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cricket's been a bit of a a safehaven.
It was obviously a huge passion for my dad.
He loved watching me play. So I've just tried to sort of
focus on that and sort of try and enjoy the cricket as much as
I can and use it as a bit of a safe place actually, which has
has been great. And obviously, you know, I must
say the Manchester Originals, you know, all the teammates and
the staff have been been so supportive and fantastic.
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So yeah, I really appreciate it and it's it's been very helpful.
We've all been thinking of your hoes and it's been the 100 that
that's kept you really busy, hasn't it?
With the Manchester Originals right in the mixer of the
tournament, We're we're halfway through of of eight teams in the
men's and women slugging it out to try and reach the final at
Lords. I'll start with you.
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It was what for you, you made ofit so far at the halfway stage.
Yeah, I think good to be back guys, as well.
Thank you so much. I think the thing that has got
me kind of most excited is just how the scores keep seeming to
get bigger. We saw 226 from the Oval
Invincibles, and it kind of blows your mind of what is
possible in such a format. I mean, ultimately we're facing
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100 balls or we're seeing 100 balls.
I'd also throw in as well, like seeing Liam Livingston smash
Rashid Khan, the best bowler in the world, and he hit him for 26
in and over, all over the park. And you're just thinking what is
the possibility of cricket? And I think that's what's been
exciting about this tournament. Grace Harris is another one for
London's spirit. She's been, you know, hitting
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the ball out, out all parts. So I'm just trying to wonder
what is the limit because this is this year, who knows?
You know, as people work out thetactics, work out when to take
bowlers down, you know, work outif someone bowls 10, can they,
you know, maximise it? I think there's just more to
come. I get the sense the players
quite enjoy how the 100 offers up slightly different tactical
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scenarios than just regular T20 cricket.
Is that do the players talk about that, Jose?
Yeah, they do. Actually, I think the 10 balls
is there's a huge part of it, you know, a bowler being able to
carry on and say they've been bowling well.
I think sort of Tom Moody's partactually saying that
statistically the second five isnever as good when you you do
that. But there's definitely been
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times, you know, Sonny Baker's started brilliantly for US
against the London Spirit and itwas a amazing tactical move to
be able to just let him carry onas a batter.
In that sense you like, I can't wait for the end of this over in
traditional T20 to get someone else to bowl.
So that can be big. It can as a batter, sometimes
you can get stuck down one end abit as well.
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There's sort of 6 ball overs. You get to you know, the fifth
ball and just think, you know, I'll get out of this and let my
partner take over from the otherend.
And so there's different things at play.
And then obviously as a batter, if you're going really well to
sort of be able to take 10 ballsin a row, homework class and
really got going for US against the Northern Superchargers and
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just faced all the last 10 ballsof the innings from one end and
and scored, you know, I think about 40 odd runs.
So yeah, there's some really interesting sort of things that
the hundreds thrown up. I do think, you know, the
players are more accustomed to it now and sort of understanding
the format really well, even, you know, looking at the
scoreboard and, you know, just seeing runs and balls.
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And that took me a while a few years ago to I'm always looking
at overs and trying to work out required run rate that way.
So it's taking a little bit of time.
But yeah, I think the players are absolutely loving it.
One of the best things I think, as a player is the pace of play
and everyone just gets on with it and keeps moving, not
changing ends. Actually, you know, I thought
that was a real gimmick to startwith, but it speeds up play so
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much, which has been great. And it just feels like there's
just action happening the whole time.
I think that's getting reciprocated from from the
crowds. They just seem really engaged in
the game. And obviously we've had amazing
summer of weather as well. So yeah, the grounds have been
packed and people have been really enjoying the format, I
think. On the on the originals,
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Manchester Originals, you've blown hot and cold a little bit.
Is it? Is there a reason for that?
No particular reason. I think actually I think there's
a couple of games where you justneed to get over the line and we
haven't done it. We had a game against the
Southern Brave that swung, you know, both ways actually.
And then we looked like we were home and hosed and then Tamal
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Mills sit at six, Craig Overton at six and four very next ball.
Suddenly they were back in charge, and then I think what,
we'll sit at three off even 3 off 3 or something like that,
and Tamal got out. Then Reese toply came in #11 and
played the perfect Don Bradman late cut for four to win them
the game, which was a bit of a killer, I don't think.
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He's ever been compared to Don Bradman with the bat.
That way he has been, he was telling me about how I think
which edition of the Hundred it was, he had the highest strike
rate in the tournament from #11 and actually when he came out to
bat, as I did, I would say here he is highest strike rate in the
comp. So he goes, you'll find out why
he's just played the most perfect cut for four and it's
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just, you know, another strike rate of 400 toppers who got them
over the line. So that was an absolute dagger
for us. And and then we were well
outplayed by the Oval, but probably could have and should
have won against the Welsh Fire as well.
So we've had our opportunities and, you know, and we've just
missed out when it comes to the crunch and on those moments.
But we're still in the comp. And yeah, I think we'll probably
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need to win every game from here.
But yeah, we've got ourselves still in it.
And I think the tournament needed it actually, a lot of
close games. And I think there's been more
close games this year than I cansort of remember.
And for just for us to have thatobviously losing result to start
with, but a real tight game. I think it's been really good
for the tournament to have theseclose finishes.
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Ebbs Before I get on to just keeping wicket to Sonny Bake.
We've got a few talking points in the hundreds so far, the
men's and women's side, but Sonny Bake has been someone that
the commentators have been talking about, the media have
been talking about. This actually got him into an
England ODI squad as well, got his first senior call up.
What has your take been on him? Watching him and seeing what
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attributes he's got? Yeah, I remember seeing him in
one of the first games and thought straight away you see
pace and you think, you know, he's got something on offer here
and he was what I like actually is character.
Sometimes you know, someones thrown in, they're in the
limelight, how do they handle big crowds, all of that pressure
and he seemed to handle it well.Another thing which is actually
I've been interested to see a lot of bowlers seem to be
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changing going to the orca thesedays.
So he's got a few skills, he's got the slower ball, he's I've
got the variations that he seemslike you kind of need the
baseline. One of the games I watched,
remember, he didn't quite come off, but he's been for me,
someone who's just straight awayyou think X Factor, you know,
you've got to have him in the hat and you've got to see what's
possible. I watched him bowled against the
London Spirit where he went awayto David Warner, like away,
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away, away. And then Kane Williamson, I
think came in and he went away swinger to him.
I thought, OK, so he's got some some good skills.
I'm quite conscious not to judgesomeone on 20 balls because
anyone can charge in and bowl good pace for 20 balls.
It's it's about the longevity ofbeing able to do that.
But I did text Rob Keith straight away when I was
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watching on the telly and when lovely attributes this lad.
So you know, I think you can tell immediately.
OK, I like his run up. I like his stride pattern, like
the fact he hits the crease at agood tempo.
He's obviously got control of what he's doing.
Very raw, yes. But when you get those sort of
talents like Josh did at a youngage, like Harry Brooke, you dip
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them into international cricket straightaway, give them a taste,
see what they're about. You can dip them out again,
doesn't matter. But expose them early and then I
think you can. They learn quicker because
there's no doubt the best place to learn your cricket is
international cricket because you have to learn so quickly.
You're getting judged. Everything about use, you're
bowling at the best, you're batting against the best.
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So I'm not surprised Sonny Baker's getting a bit of a, a
dip into the international make up just because he's made his
mark on the 100. And you know Jose, you've I'd
say probably got the best seat in the house because you're not
having to face the pace in the sense you're just having to
catch it. But have you been impressed with
him and does he hit the gloves hard?
Yeah, I've been so impressed with him.
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No, I actually hadn't seen him bowl much at all before coming
here and you're sort of straightinto the tournament.
There's only a couple of of daysbefore our first game and he
actually didn't bowl because he'd been had a big workload in
one of the four day games just before.
So, you know, I'd heard lots about him, heard about his
attributes. He'd obviously impressed with
the and he's been away with England Lions, etcetera.
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But naively, probably, I thoughtI you know, he's a bit of a tear
away and just bowls really fast.I wonder you you wonder about
the skill levels and and it's sort of been like a what can I
say, like a bit of an onion. There's just layers that you
keep sort of discovering. So you obviously can bowl fast.
They say that game against London spirit and you go, OK,
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how's it going to go against Warner?
Sort of was the perfect execution of a plan to David
Warner. He knows take it across him from
a tight line at good pace. And then they say came William
saying came on strike and Lewis Gregory stands at slip and he
played with Sunny at Somerset and he's moved on to Hampshire.
And as I said to Lewis, you know, knows he run this back in
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or what do you? And like I say, then fast away
swinger, you know, really impressive.
So to have that level of skill and obviously with the pace and
he delivers from quite wide on the crease as well, which is
quite I always find as a batter quite an awkward angle,
especially if you can still takeit away from there.
So yeah, that was obviously really impressive the game
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against the Spirit and it's seeing guys back it up.
I think is really Stace said broadly 20 balls, someone can
have a day out and bowl really well.
But we played the game against the Welsh fire Bestow and Smith
another great opening partnership, swinging the ball
quite profuse, profusely. Sorry, you know, really
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impressive start again and then very exciting for him gets his
international call up. It's amazing actually talking to
him about that. And I went to him and say, no,
congratulations on your call up.And he, it's just that he
couldn't believe it. He's just like he said, I was so
tired yesterday from just like the emotion of getting a call up
and, you know, speaking to my parents, he's like, my parents
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were even more emotional than I was.
And it's really special when yousort of get to see someone like
that and just realise, you know,how much it means to someone to
receive that call. And he, he thought he was
getting prank called because he didn't have Mccullum's number
saved in his phone, obviously. And he's getting a a foreign
phone number trying to get hold of him and he sort of answered
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thinking that someone trying to sell him something or someone, I
don't know, something dodgy. And hi, mate, it's bad.
And he said he literally fell over almost to, you know,
receiving that call, which is really cool.
But the game after being called up for England, I always think
it's a tough one, you know, because suddenly there's another
expectation. OK, this guy's in the England
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squad. He's you know, will he still be
able to do not perform because you know, you can perform, but
it's quite a lot to deal with, right?
You know, suddenly your name's up in lights and it's one of the
great things about the 100 is every game is on TV so you don't
miss a thing. It's not like these spells that
he's bold of, you know, just being caught on the on the live
stream. You know, it's going out to all
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the millions are watching and heperformed really well again and
he seems to love the occasion. I think ABS mentioned it before,
you know, the big crowds and taking the new ball and he just
looks really excited and which is great about him, as you
mentioned, But there's so much more to come when you're such a
young bowler and you know, I'm sure he knows a lot about
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himself and and a lot about his skills, But you can probably
look at him and just think, wow,the potential.
Once you, you know, you Polish that more and more and get him
straight into international cricket, playing against the
best players in the world, He'llthen have to, you know, learn
and adapt and see new things again or, or actually, well, my
skills really suit this. So yeah, he's he's been a really
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exciting player. I think he's like, yeah, loves
the occasion and sort of a real sort of great attitude on him as
well to go with all those attributes.
I think you've got to love the occasion actually to, to perform
in, in front of crowds. You've got to have a, you can't
be scared of the occasion. You've got to, you're going to
obviously going to have times that doesn't quite suit you, but
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you, you've got to feel like youwant to be out there performing.
Actually, I want to pick your brain on Davina Perrin.
So I watched her play for the superchargers and helmet was
off. You know, it was like banger
boundary. I'm here.
I thought I watched her and thought, you know, you've got
something about something about,you know, I looked at the comms,
our sheet, and she's so young but so young but so confident
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that what are your thoughts on her?
Yeah, I've known Davina since about 13.
I remember I spoke to her family, actually it was during
COVID. She was about 13.
They got in touch. They were just keen during that
period to get some mentoring. We started the ACE programme and
she was already playing. So, you know, we didn't discover
it was more support throughout the last only five years.
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And you know, like it sounds really bad, but I hear you guys
must hear it. Oh, I've got this great child.
They're so talented and you think, oh, great, but sometimes
they're not. They're not.
It's just a lot of love. And I went up as soon as sort of
lockdown was with some of the guys from ACE and we were in the
Nets. I remember said, OK, play this
shot. And she plays it and plays it
with a bit of swagger, you know,like there's a cheeky look in
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her eye. All right, ramp this OK, smash
this over extra, OK. And literally every shot I asked
her to play, she was playing. And I kept cranking up the speed
on the machine. And she just had this skill set
and I think there's something for me about her.
She was breaking some of Charlotte Edwards junior
records, which is always a sign when a young players coming
through and breaking records that have stood a long test of
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time. She didn't quite get her looking
at Birmingham Phoenix when she was there because she would have
ended up being the youngest player, 15 in the 100.
So she was in the squad but didn't play and made the right
move I think to Superchargers. But what I like I mean Nas said
it on commentary. He was like I've never seen
someone play A1 handed scoop before.
She doesn't mind having a bit offun and she I think for her, her
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game plan as she grows is going to be learning when to use the
right shots and when not to. And she's in side with some of
the Aussies like Annabelle Sutherland, who are consistently
performing. So she's got that talent.
And I think for her now it's going to be how do I make this
consistent on the big stage? We've all seen what she's
capable of. I think she can handle pressure.
She's got great family around her, a lot of support from us at
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a. So yeah, I think that's that's
the key. And you know, I think, you know,
you guys have been around the game a lot, isn't it?
It's having that that potential,but then converting it
consistently enough that people really start to to talk about
you. So she's she's lit up, lit up
the competition for me. And I don't know, you've seen a
bit of her broadly, but yeah, I think she can go all the way.
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What? What do you think?
Yeah, I mean, I I was actually in the pod with Charlie Dagnell,
who who very knowledgeable on the women's game as he watched a
lot of cricket as immediate. I was commentating on her and
just the way she'd pick a gap and the cleanliness of the
strike, you know, when someone'shitting it different to the
other batters on the on the pitch.
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I just looked at I looked at Dagnes and said, is it too early
to think this she should play for England?
Yeah, I was like, she honestly, she had that sort of typically
I'm now on the other side of thefence.
When you're playing, it's very much like, you know, you've got
to earn your right, you've got to put inconsistent performance,
getting England called and now you're in the media.
Anyone performs once, you're like, come on, yeah, you play
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for England. But I I looked at just her, her
style and confidence and just the way she struck the ball, I
thought feels like she should bein and around that that that
higher level, but also very conscious.
What she 18. You don't want to put someone in
and slow down their development because it's too early.
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But you know, for put to put in those sort of performances in
the 100, which is her sort of biggest former at the moment,
playing in front of the bigger crowds against the the best
bowlers. You know, it's really
impressive. And you do you.
Do you see a in the next couple of years playing for England?
Yeah, 100%. I think she's already played
England under 19. She's done well, you know, a
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couple of 50s there in the the last under 19 World Cup.
But I also think there's, you know, Rob Key's quite good at
this, doesn't it? Which I think is you don't
always have to wait to see all the results in all county
cricket, all domestic before youexpose a player.
And we've seen whether it's Shoaib Bashir's or young players
coming through the men's Englandsetup.
And it will be for Charlotte Edwards to to think, you know,
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she has got some great players, but they've been around for a
while and they might be the sortof succession of who are the
Next up and coming people to support the Alice Capsies and
look at sort of a five year sortof game plan.
So I think if there's there's one would be a coach might just
go, let's give them that exciting chance to develop in
the international environment oreven just being around the
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squad. And that might come quite soon.
And then the other is if she does put in that weight of
performance, she scored 100 in the domestic competition just
before this started and you start to think, okay, keep
racking up and maybe in the nextcouple of years she could play.
So I think she'll be very exciting.
I would 100%. You know, someone said she
played for England. I would.
I could see it without doubt. So yeah, exciting times for her.
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I don't know if you've seen her.Joss, have you had a chance to
see a bit of Dave? Do you know what I actually, to
be very honest, I haven't, but I'd need to go and watch these
highlights and I want to find out about this one handed scoop
shot. I think I need to try and try
and learn that one. But well, she sounds incredibly
exciting and it must be really cool for you EPS to have such a
have had such a role in her career so far.
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I think as a coach, you would bereally, really excited to go.
OK, we you know, it's on us to you know, she should make it.
We should make a. As big as possible.
And as soon as we're done here, I'm gonna go and watch the
highlights and try and learn theone handed scoopshot.
So babes, you mentioned as well the ACE programme.
No, tell us a bit more about that and how you how you help
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Davina, how you help other players and just tell us a bit
about the ACE programme. Yeah, we'd seen there's just
been a decline. I remember it was Joffra Archer
bowling to Steve Smith. And every year there's also
always a question of where have sort of the black cricketers in
the UK gone? And we, you know, we used to
have a big community, the Devon Malcolm's, the Chris Lewis and
that kind of died off. And so it's just an opportunity
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to see what talent was out therecan we support and bring
through. And it's been amazing actually.
We get, we've got, we get to grassroots, we go into schools
and it's not just black communities, we get into working
class communities who don't haveaccess to cricket and we support
them all the way through up to the pathway.
So we've got 6 academies linked to the county pathways.
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So we've got 200 kids and, and agood portion, about 30% now
we're into county pathways. We've got 2 who've signed
contracts, one with Sussex, a boy called Troy and Amy who's
just gone up to the blaze which is at Nottingham,
Nottinghamshire. So it's quite exciting for us
because I think we just wanted to make sure that it wasn't lost
in the community in terms of kids who, you know, we look
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forward in a few years and thinkwe should have re engaged.
But also we're seeing so much talent.
I mean, we get we saw this kid who was playing a lot of St.
cricket and he's churning out 88miles an hour.
We clocked him. You think where where are these
kids? So what it allows us to do is
just provide an environment. It's a big step up for some into
sort of understanding professionalism.
So I wouldn't even say we're creating talent.
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I think was just supporting young people into the game.
So yeah, to have two already signed rookie contracts and
they're getting extended, which is exciting to see.
Davina, who we worked with since13, Yeah, hopefully one day when
I'm sort of fully grey haired, Imean, I got a couple now.
It's just going to be nice to see so many kids come through,
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which is great. So yeah, we're in six cities
with a load of the counties, andit's been fun.
That's fantastic. You doing some brilliant work
ebbs with the with the Ace program.
I look forward to you commentating on Davina and
keeping a neutral tone when she wacks it for six.
It's like it's like commentatingagainst the Oval Invincibles.
I'm not impartial. That's it for Part 1, but stay
tuned as we'll be discussing sledging and whether Meg Lanning
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You've got a growing team, more and more clients and a huge
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it continues into the future. Great stuff and best of luck
with your business. Now guys, I want to put your
brains on some. We haven't heard too much
sledging on the stunt. Mike EBS.
I don't know, Josh might tell usa little bit more, but there was
a little sledging story that came out from the Birmingham
Phoenix and the Oval Invinciblesbetween Tom Curran and Liam
Livingston, who actually great friends have gone on holiday
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together and stuff, but they just had a bit of white lime
fever maybe. Livingston was on 16 at the time
and Tom Curran had a little wordwith him and Liam Livingston
said to the BBC after. I've got no idea why Tom started
to spray me, He's one of my goodfriends and he called me a fat
slob or something and I said let's hope you don't go for a
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few if you come back at the death and he did.
So I'm kind of happy. And Livingston ended up with 69
off 27 to chase down 182 with two balls to spare.
So I'd suggest the the sledging fired up Liam Livingstone.
What do you make of that? I think it's brilliant, but
sorry, you go just. No, you go, you're into it, you
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think it's brilliant. So.
Yeah, well, when I say it's brilliant, obviously I'm not
encouraging young people to get into it, but I love it because I
was there at the game and you'rejust, you could see him just go
through the gears and you're thinking what is going on?
And obviously he's got stuck in.And also, look, he really pumped
Tom Curran at the end. I was thinking at the time like
Tom Curran, I'm surprised he even wanted to let go of the
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ball because he was coming at him.
He was like his eyes were there.But I think what it does, it
just adds drama. I think that's the one thing I
love in in in a game. It's a little bit of drama.
You don't want it to be a bit slight spicy maybe.
I don't know that you you guys would know more than me.
In the men's game, that might becreeping over the line.
Where does the line draw? I don't know if body images is
maybe a little bit tight, but I'm here for it.
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It's spiced up the game. Look how we played.
I think it got him in the zone and then you then you got
something to talk about, right? So here for the drama.
Or is that too far? No, I loved it.
Absolutely. Just a baggy shirt on Livia
isn't it? He's not a big lad, but he yeah,
I thought, do you know, I was thinking as well as went to the
5th edition of the 100 now and guys have been, you know, to
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start with it was all new and itwas, you know, you hadn't sort
of settled in to got your roots in the team, whereas now people
really do. And you know, there's guys at
the Oval, the currents have beenthere since the start, Sam.
But you see, this is really our team and we want to win and
obviously they've won the last two and there's I just think
people have an ownership and a belonging to their sides now.
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And Livingstone's been at the Phoenix since the start.
So there's that pride and stuff for your own team and there's a
bit more feeling and niggle around things and there's a bit
of banter about who's won the previous games, who smashed who
in which game and etcetera, etcetera.
So yeah. And it's always great for a
batter to be able to give it back to a bowler actually,
because the bowler generally gets the last laugh, don't they,
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with a send off. And as a batter, if you're out
you, you've got nothing to come back with.
So always loved batters who can give it a pack to the but always
think of KP just like telling people they were no good when
they're running up to bowl at him and smacking them everywhere
and just ultimate sort of big dogging it.
But yeah, Livingstone's been in in fine form.
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He's played brilliantly well andyou know, obviously know him
really well. He's a really good mate of mine.
And the 6th hitting ability and the way to switch gears, how he
played Rashid Khan in in that game was amazing.
And he loves that added responsibility.
He likes being up the order. He likes playing that role.
He's captain of the team there being the main man.
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And it was a huge, I thought a huge statement for him and a
huge statement win for his team to beat.
You know, probably the best teamin the competition for us at the
moment. The men, the overall are the
team to beat. You know, there's nothing better
as a batter to be not out at theend, having seen your your side
over the line and done it against a high quality bowling
attack. So yeah, it was a good needle.
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Good to see. And yeah, it's nice to see the
passion in the game. Obviously no need to body
shaming, but it's it's good to see that competition and how
much people want to win and how desperate people are to to do it
because we all are out there having fun and expressing
ourselves and having a great time.
But ultimately there's some hardnosed professional cricketers
who who want to win. So yeah, it was box office,
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talking points and all. Fair play to Liam Livingstone.
He played brilliantly, brilliantly well to get his side
over the line and have the last laugh.
He's been superb in the tournament so far, actually.
He's his his. His strike rate's awesome, as
you normally expect, but his consistency's been really good.
I just wonder whether there's something that Livingstone can
connect to that when he does getfired up, he it brings the best
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out of him a little bit. I'm not saying that sometimes in
an England shirt he's been a bitpassive, but I think because he
doesn't get a huge amount of responsibility at the top level,
maybe doesn't quite get himself in the emotional place that he
needs to be. But when there's a bit of a
spark on him or when he is that that main guy in in the team, it
does seem to bring the best out of him.
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You know, it's always difficult in international cricket when
you're batting at 7:00 and you're bowling a bit of part
time and you're expected to comein at 7 and win your team the
game. He's someone who looks like he
likes to be at 3 or 4 and and play the main part.
But obviously in the England side you've got Butler roots
that you know these guys that are a bit better that that bat
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in those roles. So it is good to see him find
something and just get that in abit of energy in his batting
that that sometimes when you're batting at 7, you come in for 10
balls, you you struggle with a little bit.
But he's lit up the the men's side, although the Phoenix
haven't gone particularly well themselves.
But he's he's certainly playing beautifully.
Ebbs wanted to mention Meg Lanning to you.
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Is it fair to say she might be the best of all time with the
bat? You know she's she's able to
find Fine 100 herself, having moved across the river in
London. What do you make of her?
Yeah, I, I think Meg Lanning is just up there with the greatest
players and it's, I think it's for a few reasons.
It's, you know, on paper, say for example, you compare it to
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Charlotte Edwards. Charlotte Edwards has got 10,000
runs plus. But where Meg is playing is in
in the modern game across four different formats.
She's produced, she's LED a sideas well internationally that
dominated and still dominates world cricket and has set that
tone. And then you see she comes out
here even after sort of steppingback from international cricket
and she's able to just straight away out the blocks, just come
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in and what I like actually I'venoticed this with a couple of
players this year. They're prepared to give
themselves four or five balls before they go large actually.
And you sometimes think in 100 you have to go ball 1 and go all
out it. I saw Zach Crawley do it the
other day up at Leeds. I saw Meg Lanning in both top
score innings. She's given herself four or five
balls, assessed the competition,assess the wicket.
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And then she's so smart of picking her area.
And I think that the consistency, the ability to hit
all parts, she's got some of these flare shots.
I mean hitting the sixes when she she decides to keep going
through the gears and then her leadership ability.
So I don't think there's it'd behard to press many better for
me. The only other you know, many
people talk about is Elise Perry.
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I mean, and as an all rounder, Ithink, you know, if you're
taking wickets and scoring runs,she's around the 7000 runs plus
300 and odd wickets internationally.
You know, she is up there. But I always lean on like
someone who created an impact, not just in the way they played,
but sort of set the tone for everybody else.
And so her leadership ability, her consistency and her runs for
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me is the greatest. I don't know you've seen them
both Elise and and Meg Lanning broadly, but I don't know, I
think Meg is mostly up there with the girl or she's as close
to getting there, especially in the modern game.
Elise Perry for me, I like watching her, that genuine all
round ability, been consistent for a long time.
Incredible sportsperson, not just in cricket as well.
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Did she play in the World Cup football as well for Australia,
I think, which is incredibly impressive.
You know, I think to be honest, I'm not saying she's a guy.
Yeah, but Annabelle Sutherland for me is as a as a cricketer
coming in in the middle order for the Superchargers and the
way she bowls, what beautiful action she's got.
So she's got a huge amount of ability to to be up there in
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Star names as well. I sort of lean towards Nats of a
brunt and I've got real soft spot for in the sense that she's
she's homegrown, she's English. You you want England to players
to do well. She strikes the ball really
differently. Actually, she a bit like maybe
it's just because she uses Kookaburra like Jose, but a
little bit like she goes about it goes about her business.
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I'd like to see her take a touchmore responsibility in the
rocket side. She bats 4, has moved up to
three a bit like Josh did, movedup to opening in T20 cricket
when he was middle order. And Josh has talked about that
in the pop before about being Mumbai Indians and dry wardeners
choice to do that. I wonder whether or not could
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just go, Do you know what if we lose it, we're losing only
wickets. I'm in anyway.
Just let me go and use the powerplay.
Let me face as many balls as I possibly can and we might just
see a real change in that. So she's not getting 50 not out,
she's getting 75 and winning theteam the game.
I would I would lean on that on that route, but I think that has
to be her choice. I know just wasn't necessarily
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your choice, but I wonder if she's just comfortable being in
that middle order and seeing howthe game pans out.
There's a lot of extra pressure and stress opening the batting
and setting the game up, but whywouldn't you want to bat with
two fielders out? Yeah, get up there.
I think I said to you, every batter wants to bat at the top.
I think that's where, you know, you need those real team players
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and selfless ones at 567, but the rest of us just greedy and
want the most balls. So yeah, if she's get up there,
yeah. And like, say what a player she
is like, say, if there's only two fielders out, the impact
that she could have at the start, it's always difficult,
isn't it, because you are part of a team and you've got to find
the right balance and, you know,make sure you're getting the
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most out of everyone possible. But when you've got such a star
player in such a short format, you know, to expose them to the
most amount of balls possible isis obviously something that you
could do. But just going back to the the
GOAT debate, I'm going to throw in Sarah Taylor.
She's here with the As for the originals and as a wicket
keeper, I just thought, you know, she really changed the
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game, the standard of her wicketkeeping.
She's probably still taken the most remarkable catch she's ever
seen, like a full blooded reverse sweep, but she just
dived and took one handed from stood up to the stump.
So I've I've loved working with her here.
So and I thought she was a bit of a trailblazer.
So I'm just going to going to put her in the conversation as
well. Yeah, she's a for me.
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I remember playing with her. We were playing Australia, I
think it was at Chelmsford. We had a good crowd in and she,
I think she's scored 100 that day, but I'm out in the middle
with her and people always ask you, what do you chat about in
the middle? And I think we were chatting
about EastEnders for a bit and then she just got giddy at this
point and she was like, right, mate, where do you want me to
hit the next one? And so between balls I go right,
I want you to ramp her right. I want you to hit it over extra
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right. And she literally would for fun
just run down. And no matter, bearing in mind
we had people like Elise Perry bowling, They had high quality
bowlers. Shelley Shelley Mitski is one of
the great left hand spinners, Lisa Stellaker.
And she just was having so much fun, which I think is brilliant
for a player anyway. But she had that talent to be
able to put the ball anywhere with the bat and then behind the
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stumps. I mean, honestly, even Gilchrist
says it, You know, there, there.I don't think there's many
better men or women just with that natural ability.
So she's not far off the goat upthere for me as well.
All right, well, we've made no decision on the GOAT at all.
So we've just sat on the fence till because I've got the last,
last word. I'm going to say Elise Perry,
well done. You're the GOAT of the beloved
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cricket podcast because that's my opinion.
But it's time for us to let you go to your next 100 match.
Look forward to hearing you callthe Games and thanks for joining
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Big story. Away from the 100.
I want to chat a little bit about Jacob Bethel, set to
become England youngest ever men's captain, 21 years old,
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will lead the side in some T 20son a tour of Ireland in
September. Jose, big responsibility.
You feel like he's ready. Yeah, huge responsibility,
obviously incredibly exciting for him.
That would be a really, really proud moment.
Obviously Harry, Brooke and the the Test boys won't be on that
tour, so needing a captain and it's great to see, you know, a
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young guy given a chance like that, be exposed to captaincy
responsibility. It's obviously started so well
in international cricket and we've spoken a bit on this part
about, you know, people who justlook like they've got the game
for it or they look ready or they've got the attitude or
whatever attributes it is for international cricket.
And I think that's been one of the things about Jacob Bethel
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that everyone has taken to. He's obviously got the talent
and the game, but the head on his shoulders in the way he
conducts himself at the crease, the way he plays, the way he is
around the group, etcetera, etcetera, that you know, maybe
down the line he's a future captain.
So I think it's a really cool way to expose him to it really
early and give him a taste of it.
You know, I know sort of some people will say it's just a
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series away in Ireland, but it becomes a massive series for him
and obviously without Harry Brook there, there's an
opportunity to expose someone tosome leadership experience.
So a big, big moment for him, say youngest ever captain for
England. That's another tag to put on,
you know, on his list of achievements that he's already
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got so far. And yeah, I think it one thing
that does happen a lot, if you get involved in international
cricket early, your captaincy chances, say in county cricket
or franchise cricket, etcetera, become quite limited because
you're just not around to to do that.
And then, you know, suddenly we're in the international game,
we're like, right, we need a captain.
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Where do they come from? So this is obviously a good
chance to to give a young guy exposure and see how he handles
it, see how he plays when he's captain, etcetera.
But you know, he's got great people around him still.
He'll have a good coaching staffaround him, some some senior
players to to lean on. But it's just a nice experience
for him and I'm sure he'll relish it.
Yeah, it's not, I mean captain almost sort of a a second team
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slash 3rd 11:00 just because there's that much cricket going
on. So no real big names in the
squad apart from you Jose. It was described on the BBC
website as an under strength squad.
You slightly insulted that you're being dragged there.
No, I'm not insulted, you know, I can see it for it and no
disrespect to Ireland, but there's some big cricket on the
horizon for England, isn't there, with the Ashes coming
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soon after that. So the guys like Brooke Smith,
Duckett, Archer, there's a few big names there that have got,
you know, a big piece of cricketcoming on their plate.
So a trip to Ireland is not on their agenda this time.
So, you know, we are under strength.
I guess when you take you talk about those names I've just
mentioned there, but you know, we'll be going over there for
some good games, you know, be, be really challenging and like
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you say, there's a lot to look forward to And, and it's, you
know, sort of when younger players get their chance and any
international game's a big game and, and Ireland will definitely
want the scalp of, of beating usand still hurts me getting
beaten by Ireland in Melbourne 3years ago.
So I've got some revenge to go and play for.
Yeah, I'm sure there's some decent golf courses over there
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as well, Jose. So yeah, has everyone been
getting loads of questions through?
So let's try and get through some of them.
Rosemary in Northampton, US, we all know that England top 7 and
the Aussie attack for the first Ashes Test at Perth.
But what's the England attack and the Aussie top seven?
That is the the big question on everyone's lips.
Yeah, you've been very vocal, haven't you Run the Aussie,
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Aussie batting order. So I'll do the England attack
and I'll let you try and guess the Aussie top 7.
Get slammed on social. Media.
Exactly. They can't wait.
They can't wait to get you over there.
Archer. Yeah, Atkinson, Yeah, Bashir
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Stokes and Oh yeah, Mark Wood ifhe's fit.
Mark Wood if not, Josh Tang. Yeah.
I agree with that actually. Going yeah, actually, you know
about bowling, so it gives you abowling attack.
Yeah, exactly that. Archer you play, I think you
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have to front load this Series Alittle bit.
There's no point going there with the mindset of, oh, you
know, keep someone fit for Melbourne.
You have to go and get a result at Perth, first Test match, have
to either draw a win, preferablya win.
I think it's very difficult to beat the Aussies in the
paintball game, which is Test match 2 at the Gabba.
So I think they will win that. So you have to go and win the
first Test. So you go all out with your best
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attack, which is Wood, Archer, Atkinson, Bashir Stokes.
Then I definitely played Josh Tongue in the pink ball game
because he bowls that full of length that you can't
necessarily see that well with the ball and the lights.
You've got cast as a as a decentoption there as well.
So yeah, I would go with the theattack you mentioned to be
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honest and get get Mark Wood fitbecause there's a little bit of
doubt how the Aussies cope with the extreme pace.
And I've suppose I've got to name the top 7 Aussie, which I
don't think anyone in the world knows, even the the selectors of
Australia, you know, Steve Smithbefore Travis had five, probably
up there with Joe Rutan and Harry Brooke is the best four
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and five in world cricket. The number six is up to debate.
I would probably have Cam Green.They're not at 3.
Put Mana Celebrity Shame back at3:00 and then you've got a sort
of a shootout really for the opening spots.
Khawaja looks like he'll keep it, although he looks past his
best. And then you've got Conscious,
whose shirt theoretically is. But there's some other names
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being poked around, which I think is quite interesting for
Australian cricket is the spots up for grabs and it's Sheffield
Shield runs that will will get that spot nailed down really.
So yeah, I do see this series asEngland's better batting unit
unit against Australia's very solid, consistent, brilliant
bowling unit. So yeah, really, really excited
(44:25):
for the series. But I don't think, I genuinely
don't think anyone could pen down Australia's top three right
now, including George Bailey. Yeah, they say they've got
SHIELD games, haven't they? And actually some opportunities
there for guys like you say. I think La Boschaine will come
back and I expect he'll score runs in those SHIELD games and
and, you know, make a a strong case for coming back in.
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But yeah, we'll we will see. Any bolters out there that you
think could make the England squad?
Any names? Ray and Ahmed having a fantastic
season. Who else we've got Sunny Baker
we've spoken about on here. Hassie Permeed, scored a load of
runs for Nottinghamshire. Is there any of those that you
think could make the squad or doyou think England seem a really
settled squad though, don't they?
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They do see seem a settled squad.
I think the difficulty is if Stokes misses a game, it seems
to throw the balance of everything.
Wokes doesn't look like he will go with a shoulder injury, so
you lose a bit of depth of batting there.
So you could look at someone like Iran Ahmed.
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Could you find a cricketer that could go in and bat 6 and bowl
you 12 a day to give everyone else a bit of a break and maybe
pick you up a wicket? Ran Ahmed's had a brilliant year
with the bat for Leicestershire and looked a nice player in the
100 as well. Five centuries.
I know that Division 2 Championship cricket is very
different to Pat Cummings, Perthand the Gabba, but could he be
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someone who could bat 6? So you're not having to change
the whole balance of the team and move someone to bat at six
or seven. Jamie Smith up to six, someone
at 7:00. You can just find a like for the
like. You're not going to find a like
for like for Ben Stokes, but could you find someone who could
go and do that? You know, Beth obviously bowls a
little bit at left arm spin. That's the way they tried to go
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at the Oval. Someone like Sam Curran comes
into my mind a little bit that you could say going bat 6 and
bowl me some wicket taking oversas well.
You know, I've always liked him as someone who copes with the
big game pressures as well with with someone like that.
And he's keen to play Test cricket again.
So do I see any differences in the squad?
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You know, it's not really Bas Mccullum's way.
He likes his settled teams, he likes the group that have been
in around and and about. But no, I can't see anyone
debuting, debuting in in Australia.
It's just not the way that theseguys have done it.
And also England Lions are out there I think at the same time
as well. So they can probably run a
pretty, you know, small and tight squad and then if they
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needed they will will drag people in.
But yeah, it's exciting. Isn't it already to start
thinking about the Ashes and so see Steve Smith saying you know
how sporting the wickets have been in Australia in the recent
few years so it's going to be a good challenge for for both Bank
sides. I can't wait.
I can't wait. Another question Chris?
Pete asks. If you had to pick one teammate
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to be stuck in a team hotel withduring a rain delay, who would
it be? During a rain delay.
I think you always find Jack Leach hilarious.
Jack Leach is hilarious. He would be good company if well
that's they are sort of warm. I'm going to cut the double act
of moan rash. I'll just take them.
Who would I avoid at all costs? You can.
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I love the fact I didn't even ask you that, but you're going
down the route of who am I goingto avoid?
Yeah, yeah, I would quite like to just sit on my own and just
not be bothered. You know, being a dad of three,
just a bit of quiet time is quite nice Every.
Time. How nice is your own company?
Just be quiet with no one. Around I'm, I'm, I've.
Never been bored in my life, just put me in a room just with
a bit of sport on the telly. Oh, I'm very happy.
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But am I avoiding just see, like, I don't know, probably
Zach, who talks too much? When you have.
Entirely quiet time, Zach Crawley because he just knows.
He's like, he's like Google, isn't he?
Just got an answer for everything.
So I'd probably avoid Zach. I have to, I have to bring Mark
Wood into this because he whenever he's to try and sit
next to me in the change room. Great friends with Mark Wood
love him to a bit, but he's got a huge amount of nervous energy
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and he can't be quiet or sit still.
You know, even when he sits nextto his legs are tapping, his
feet are tapping. So I had to.
Do you know that Ross from Friends sort of lowering hand
gesture of calm down? Yeah, I had to do that to him on
many occasions during Test matches and he just would nod at
me and sit down. So I think if I was trying to
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have a bit of chill out time away from me, two young kids,
peace quiet Forest on the TVI don't need Mark Wood there.
Yeah, I don't need. Him, anybody trying to prank you
and all sorts of weird stuff. Awkward handshakes, Jose.
We've seen a couple of absolute beauties this week and you can
see them on our Instagram account.
Kane Williamson, probably not myfavorite out of the two.
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Izzy Wong, an absolute cracker with Ishigua.
Talk us through it. What's gone wrong there?
I know absolute beauty. I just love how we are the place
for awkward handshakes. Yeah, the Williamson one had its
own beauty of just the like, we're in.
So how are we going to sort of try and just, you know, complete
this? But a microphone and iPad, I
think every player now should just just avoid the handshake at
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when you're doing an interview. But Izzy Wong was fantastic.
And I also like the payback. I did see she went and got her,
you know, Isha said, right, let's get this out of the way,
we'll shake hands and and she did her there as well.
So yeah, absolute beauty. Just a commitment to try and go
for it and just the sheer ignorance of just not even being
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aware that Izzy Wong was lookingfor a handshake, which is
fantastic. So.
Yeah, I have to lean on Isha's side there because she's
presenting, she's finished the question, then she's got to go
straight down the lens to well, that might be it for thanks,
Izzy. So she wouldn't have seen that.
I'd say. The Kane Williamson word,
actually the Kane Williamson oneme and I, Morgan, who you know,
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we, we always send the awkward handshakes to each other along
with you. And we were talking about in the
pod that day, how often it happens in sport, just
particularly the end bit, how players sometimes go for the
handshake, but then you don't know if they're passing you the
microphone back and you've got amicrophone in your hands.
So you're not quite sure how to go with it.
Do you delay? You tacked it to to put the hand
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up. And then Kane did it to Jenna,
the presenter. She's got iPad in her left hand,
microphone in the right and he put his hand out, shake hand.
I was like, Oh no, where does she go?
Where did she go? And you can't just say we
completely ignore, can you? It's like you can't just, you
can't ignore them and say sorry,yeah.
Have you had any near misses? No, because I've, you know how
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we used to always make it exactly crystal clear when we'd
see each other after a while? Like big hand out, just normal
handshake. I've gone down that route of
being really clear and precise. If I'm putting my hand out, it's
obvious you see in it, it's there.
And also with the pardon how we've gone about it and how many
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times I get sent awkward handshakes now on social media.
If I fall foul and get one wrong, I'm in for it, aren't I?
I'm very conscious every time I'm shaking a hand, and I also
have become when the players areshaking hands at the end of the
game. So if I'm watching like a hawk,
you know, I'm like, come on, someone get it wrong, someone
get it wrong. So you're under pressure as
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well. You know, if you make any
mistakes, we might just do a whole podcast on it.
Yeah. And I might just try and word a
few people up that say if you'redoing a, if you're presenting
this like just try and shake hishand or something.
Don't do that. It's actually really difficult
going down the line after a gamebecause you sort of there's like
there's like levels to people you'd know, isn't there?
So someone you've like never metbefore, which I think is a
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traditional handshake. But then the guy in front of you
might know the guy really well and they've gone for the like a
bit of a hug or so Then the he comes in for the net and you're
like, Oh no, does this guy expect him the hug or whatever.
And then you see someone you know really well.
You might have an inside joke oreven a, yeah, a way that you
always greet each other. So it's an absolute minefield
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out there. So you gotta keep yourself very
aware. And it's even made me bleed that
I'm that worried about it. So yeah.
Bleeding from the corner of the mouth.
Not sure how you managed that. I actually, I'll tell you how
that happened actually, is I I was putting my eldest to bed the
other day, Gigi and I went to give her a hug and sort of kiss
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her good night and she like verywas I need a wee and it's just
literally sat up so fast and just nutted me right on the lip.
And I've had a fat lip and a cutlip since then.
So yeah, haven't been, haven't been in any fights just yet.
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