October 6, 2025 • 43 mins
Jos Buttler, Stuart Broad and Ebony-Rainford Brent share stories and secrets from their World Cup victories.
How did Eoin Morgan calm Jos’s nerves on the morning of the 2019 World Cup final?
Which Take That song did Ebony and the team belt out after every match of their 2009 World Cup campaign?
And what was the drink of choice when Broady and the team celebrated their 2010 World T20 triumph in Barbados?
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I said something to morgues about, you know, if you've got
the luck of the Irish with you, and he turned to Dilly and said
what do you reckon? And Rash goes.
Don't worry boys, Allah's with us.
We ended up creating a bit of a ritual in the change room, which
was, do you remember, Take that song?
I mean it was a while back, but never forget.
Give us a little rendition. Well, yeah, never forget.
I know you know the word. Breaking the stump, I've never
felt relation like that. That was just the most
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incredible for you. And the next day we had to go to
the Oval. Actually, we weren't coaching
them for like a kids coaching thing.
As much as we loved it and it's great to go and give back to the
game, it wasn't the time. I remember seeing pictures of
that coaching session going ohhh.
Yeah, what are they doing? The Women's World Cup is
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underway in India and Sri Lanka.Can anyone stop those dominant
Aussies? Can England find the winning
formula and what are the key ingredients to success in an ICC
global tournament? Jose, I think you're in a pretty
good place to answer those questions having won the 50 over
World Cup and the T20 World Cup.I'll give it a go Brody, but
don't forget you're a World Cup winner too.
And we are also joined by Ebony Rainford.
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Brent, Australia 2009 World Cup winner.
Hello ABS. Hey everybody, good to be back.
There you go. ABS you can kick us off.
You won the World Cup in Australia 2009.
How much of that was down to really good planning and when
did that start? Yeah, I think we had a similar
to the men actually in 2015 theyhad a bit of a reset.
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My debut for England was 2007, so 2 years before and we got
absolutely hammered in a world tournament.
We were playing in India, Australia, New Zealand and US
lost every game over six weeks tournament and it was, it was a
painful reset because I think wehad high hopes for the squad.
But then when you go up against the top teams you realise where
you're missing. So I remember for us that was
like a real reset. We got a new coach, new strategy
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and plans of what we needed to do in terms of how aggressive we
need to be chasing down totals. The women's game actually then
was a little bit different, likesometimes you'd want more taking
pace off the ball rather than trying to accelerate it.
Scoring areas were a little bit different.
So we kind of as a squad, I would say, really focused on
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like your roles and responsibilities.
I wasn't a top player, so I knewI had two roles.
I had to be ready as an opening battle when there was going to
be rotation in a World Cup, You know, in a World Cup, you know,
over a long period it's unlikelythat you'll play every game
sometimes. So I had to be mentally switched
on to be able to come in and perform when it was my go, but
also not be sour when you're notplaying and you're running the
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drinks. So there was a role there.
And then also in the field, likeyou, every single detail for
every single player, I knew a player fielded that point or I
ran on the boundary. Which players do you want to be
off the boundary for? Which players do you want to be
deeper? So we really spent sort of 18
months resetting the team, resetting what we needed to do
to be at the top and then sort of everything clicked and we
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just went on this run into the World Cup.
So I think that's a good thing actually is we had the momentum
coming in, which gives you the belief and then the plans got
executed to the end. And I say the one bit of luck we
had was when you worked out the permutations and you realised
you might be missing Australia in that Super Six stage as
you're thinking we could do this, we might just do it, the
plans could come to good. You need luck in in world
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tournaments. Don't you like playing the right
people at the right time? And so you, you didn't get
Australia in the Super Sixes, but when did you play them?
In the group stages we had the weaker teams.
Actually the at that stage Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan weren't
as strong in terms of in Australian conditions.
So that allowed us to get in. And then when we played
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Australia in the Super Sixes, weknew even if we lost that one
game there was still a chance ofqualifying for the final.
So it's a bad thing to say, but it is luck.
Like how your teams are drawn sometimes can give you an
advantage of where you end up inthe end later stages of that's
just part of tournament cricket.But luck as well, you know,
sometimes an injury. We had an injury in the final
with Nikki Shaw, who ended up coming in for Jenny Garn.
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She gets a four for. Is that luck?
You know, I don't know. You didn't really plan for that.
But a player turns up on a day that maybe, I don't know if
Johnny Gunn would have done thatperformance.
So luck plays a big. Part 2019 you have 50 over World
Cup win and 2022T20. Can you pick out a moment of
luck in those tournaments that well the.
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Final big one. The biggest?
Yeah, the final you might be able to, but maybe leading into
the final. Yeah, obviously where Stokes,
his bat was at the perfect time,the perfect throw like that was
like winning the lottery. That was unbelievable piece of
luck. But I'd say a bit like ebbs that
reset after a poor World Cup in Australia.
Strauss, Bayliss, Morgan came inwith a whole new way of playing,
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wanting to and they very obviously we had a home World
Cup coming up. So it was, I think straight away
it was like how do we have a team that is able to compete and
win in this World Cup because wehadn't been close ever before.
So you know, did quite a lot of work on where you were in the
rankings in bilateral cricket, like the top teams.
If you were in the number one ortwo, you had X amount of chance
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of getting to the final or winning it.
The home nation had obviously done well the average caps of
players playing in the final. So obviously, and it's all quite
when you start to work it out, you're like, well, obviously
players would have a lot of capsbecause they're a good team.
They've been playing together for a long time.
But so we were lucky from the start that we they picked
players and they stuck with themand they performed, you know,
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because you it's all well and good saying we're going to back
people and stick with them, but you need them to perform well.
Otherwise, there comes a point where you have to change because
the performance hasn't got to the level that you need it to.
And I think you need to win early.
So we we start, we won the firstseries back.
It was like a new way of playing.
We can win this way. And it was like really exciting.
But the World Cup was still quite far away at that point.
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But there's a few moments like obviously Roy and Hales started
as the opening partnership back in sort of 2015.
Johnny had been like banging them down the door like the
whole time. Anytime he came in for one game,
he always got runs. But then they were very loyal
and went back to, you know, Johnny Bad.
Three, sometimes 5-6, whoever was injured and then it was
around the Champions Trophy time.
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Jason got left out actually and it was Bairstow and Hale start.
Then something happened where Roy came back in for Hale.
And those two, I think those twowere, there was loads of key
players and key ingredients, butthat was like our super
strength. They were an amazing opening
partnership and the moment I think in in our World Cup when
we were our backs against the wall, we'd lost to Pakistan, Sri
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Lanka and Australia and then we had sort of a team meeting at
Edgbaston about how everyone wasfeeling.
I know David Young and Morgues had sort of spoke to a few
people to say a few things and it's actually one of my
favourite bits of that World Cup, if not the favorite is we
went out to play against India. Every game's a must win game and
Roy and Basto just smashed it from the start and we got off to
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an amazing start. And then I remember overs 10 to
20, they scored 90 runs in that period, just smashed it all
round edge bastard. And I just remember thinking how
cool is this? In our biggest moment of need in
a World Cup must win game, we'velike reverted to type of this is
how we played our cricket in theyears leading up.
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We're going to be brave, we're going to take it on and we'll go
down swinging basically. But obviously we went on to win
that game and and go on and and win the tournament.
But that was the moment for me in that World Cup that was like
all was nearly lost. And we were like on that Cliff
edge of like. And I remember Michael Vaughan
saying something about this willbe the biggest disappointment
actually because of home World Cup, all the time and energy
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that had been put into this team.
And, and it just lit that spark in Johnny Bastow, which I'm sure
Vorney will probably take creditfirst.
See, I knew how to get him going, but Johnny then just took
off and he scored 100 in the next game against New Zealand.
And it's amazing that you you plan for all these things.
And I think we planned for really high scoring games.
I think everyone went into that World Cup thinking it'll be
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scores of three, 5400. But because of TV timings, a lot
of the games at 11:00 starts theICC obviously control the
pitches. So we'd been playing in England
on, you know, absolute shirt fronts, high scores, but
suddenly it was all a bit different.
It was like if you win the powerplay, you win the game and you
think of the final we won, it was a scrap and like an ugly
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win, which wasn't the style of cricket we'd been playing.
But that came for us at a time when the side could handle that.
And I think that was the big thing for us about we were we
developed enough as a team to find that.
And you say like luck are the things big.
You need top players to win World Cups, you know, you need
great. But I remember being at the IPL
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and Robin Uttarpa who'd had Trevor Bayliss as his coach at
KKR. Trevor was coaching summarised
at the time. We all started training at the
same time in Dubai and he came over to say congratulations on
winning the World Cup. And Trevor went well.
I didn't do anything. I had some great players and
it's like in his way that you know how he was.
But to win things you need greatplayers.
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You need great players to stand up at great moments.
Ben Stokes obviously did that 20/19.
He did that in 2022 for us as well, to drag the team over the
line. I'm sure going into Sri Lanka
for this one, the girls will need, you know, I think of that
Silver Brunt, it's probably the one everyone's, she's captain as
well, but she's probably the oneeveryone's looking to, to be
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that player. Would you agree with that?
A. 100% And I think I was even thinking back to the Women's
World Cup in 2017, a couple of years before you guys at Lourdes
Anya, was that player, Anya Shrubsol, who in the semi final,
I remember it got down to the wire against South Africa.
She's coming in late later in the batting order and everyone's
scrapping around and she just comes in almost like what are
you all, what are you all scrapping around and just goes
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bang, bang, bang, gets the job done.
And then when the game got tightin the final against India,
ended up with what was it, 6 foot, 2 ridiculous wickets.
Even when it was getting tight, she just came and took the ball
and just took the lead. And I think you need those
players. And for us going into this
current World Cup, that player is, you're right, Nat
Silverbrun. And I think if she's back
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bowling fit, which is important,then she offers that sort of
that allows that team to have the balance.
That's the other thing in World Cups is that you need that
flexibility to have a player like a Ben Stokes, Nat
Silverbrun, who can offer you those options that you can then
tweak your team depending on whether you need that extra
seamless spinner. And also, when the pressure
comes on, they just don't flap. That's something you do to do
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very well. But I mean, you do need those
players who, when that pressure ramps up, they stay focused on
what they achieve. But Brody, you obviously won
that T20 World Cup in Barbados 2010.
Couple of moments, obviously. Tell us about some of the
planning for that. And also 8 for three, did you
think you'd already won the World Cup?
Well, the final itself, yeah, itwas.
When I look back at that tournament, we scraped through
the group stage, as mentioned earlier, and then we just got on
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this rhythm of winning games, and it was almost the clearest
I've seen a team have roles. The bowlers bowled certain overs
all the way through. The batters did exactly the same
thing at the top of the order. The only bit that nearly
derailed us is KP was in the form of his life batting 3 and
he went home, I think for the birth of his first child.
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So missed the semi final when what a time to go home.
You know, it's like as a young 23 or I don't don't go home.
I get it now. I get it now.
But so we we lost him for the semi final.
So that was the only bit where Ithought, Oh no, you know, like,
is that just going to derail us slightly?
But Ravi Papara came in and we we got over the line that semi
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final. So once we arrived at the final,
KP had flown back in. It just had that feeling of
we've got great players doing like nailing their skills with a
plan that's so crystal clear. We very windy grounds in the
Caribbean, big square, so we just had tall bowlers bowling
slow balls. Who?
Sure, really like ideas because I feel like that was the birth
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of this slow ball. Bouncer.
Yeah, like the bowling attack did you?
Stumble across that or was. That in a sense, yeah.
Collie Paul Collingwood, who wascaptain, liked the idea of
protecting one side, like getting players hitting into the
wind. So basically we had left armor
in right and side bottom who bowled with like the end into
the wind or whatever. And the right handers would then
get the the batters hitting intothe wind on the big side.
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And it was such a structured wayof doing it.
And every ground we turned up tohad a side cross wind strong.
So we had tactics to be able to do that and we.
Had, but with the opposition doing that as well and not as
much. Not as much.
It was it was almost like the birth of the slur ball longhop
type thing. And then we had bowling badly.
Yeah, practice bowling badly andthen we had Swanee and Michael
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Yardy in the middle who who, whocontrolled it.
But that makes it sound like it was a really structured sort of
disciplined build up going in into win it.
I mean, we arrived in the Caribbean with no hope really.
We'd gone on a tour to Abu Dhabi.
We played England versus EnglandLions team in in Abu Dhabi
before we went somewhere before the the World Cup and Michael
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Lum and Craig Kieswetter were playing for the Lions and they
smashed us everywhere, opening the back, whacked it everywhere
and they out from that innings. Andy Flower, head coach went
they're opening the back for us in the World Cup.
So that it was literally that came from nowhere to opening the
bank for his left right hand combo.
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Very different style of players.Keysway just went from ball one,
had an amazing hand eye. Lummy could sort of find the
boundary early, but build, take the pace down incredibly well
and they were complete unknowns really.
You know, if you just said four months out from that World Cup,
Oh yeah, Michael Lemon Keys weregoing to open the batting in the
World Cup. Finally blank.
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No chance. So that sort of blows up a bit
the succession planning of years, but that was just a head
coach going. We're missing that sort of
dynamic approach at the top. We're going for that.
But then once we got to the Caribbean, we barely changed the
team. It was like this is who's
playing, this is the oversure bowling.
I think I bowled four and six inthe power play and then, you
know, 15 and 17 back end Sidebottom would always finished
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at the death and we just carriedthat all the way through and it
almost felt inevitable that we were winning that World Cup.
Walking out of Barbados felt like a home game, like would how
you'd have felt it at Lourdes, probably less you in Australia,
but it just felt like a home game as England flags
everywhere, like our national anthem was probably looking back
still the most emotional I've been in an England show, I
reckon, just like roared national anthem in a World Cup
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final in Barbados. And I wouldn't say any special
planning, but one went once we got there.
Our adaptability of getting usedto conditions quicker than any
of the team was was why we won that World Cup.
How important in World Cups do you feel early games are?
You mentioned about winning early in in 2019 but not many
teams win every single game in the World Cup and then go on and
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and win the final. So you're going to have to get
over a a loss at some stage. You don't want that loss coming
in the semi final. You actually don't mind losing 1
relatively early just to sharpenyou up, just to learn from those
mistakes so that when the crunchgames comes, it's almost like
law of averages. That's how I see it.
You know you're going to lose 1 at some stage if you've won 8
going into the semi finals, one's coming your way.
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You know if you've lost one about game five, then you can
win four in a row to to win the World Cup.
It's sort of it like in 1009, in2009, did you win every single
game going into? Pretty much everything until
losing to Australia. And I think that's the other
thing is you don't mind losing early because it sharpens you up
and you don't mind losing to someone who's a top team earlier
in the competition because it's expected that you know it's
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going to be a tough tournament. It's when you get those those
games that upset you that you'replaying against the Bangladesh
or Shranker or someone like that, that in the women's game,
you might have thought, we'll walk through that and then they
upset you or they've got you on the ropes.
And then that's the kind of gamethat unsettles your game.
But I think I think losing earlyis good.
I think it sharpened you up. It really focuses you if you,
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especially if you lose to someone, it makes you realize,
hold on. We're pretty much now playing
quarterfinals, semi finals. And I did notice in we when the
year we won there and also in the 2019 20 World Cup.
It allows you just to go, do youknow what we've got?
It really focuses you to to really get that.
So yeah, I think the worst position you'd want to be in is
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cruising all the way through, not really being tested.
And the other issue is your middle order often and your
lower order batting order don't get a chance to get time at the
wicket because usually if you'rewinning one to four have done
the job, the bowlers have kind of run through this when they
finally get exposed because you've had a collapse or
something, they haven't had timeat the crease and then all of
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those problems. So I think getting the whole
squad through different scenarios early in the
tournament is good. Did you lose to Ireland in 2022?
Yeah, we did. It was basically rainy season in
Australia, wasn't? It yeah, it's pouring down in
Melbourne, but the whole time we're actually so lucky to play
the final because it rained the whole time in Melbourne and
somehow we got a game in for thefinal.
But yeah, we lost to Ireland andthey're the games like Evany was
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just saying it's like they should be the game you look
forward to because you're expected to win.
But they almost like they're theworst because you're sort of
like, with no disrespect to Ireland, you are expected to
win. You're expected to win well, and
it should be a game in your tournament that isn't a worry.
But they're almost the harder ones because you're and then
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actually during the game is whenyou can really feel it as well.
Like they got off to a flyer andwe just, we bowled poorly and we
just couldn't stem the flyer of runs.
And it was like, and then you'relooking at the scoreboard like
in a bilateral game, you probably wouldn't be as worried.
Now you're like, we have to win this game.
Like now it's getting a bit uncomfortable.
I think in World Cups you can put a few extra runs on the
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because as much as you want to protect the way you play, this
is how we're going to win the World Cup.
It is different because the consequences are different.
So it's not that you fear failure, but you fear the
consequences of losing. In a bilateral series it's not
as big and you might play three games, we'll we'll lose 1, we'll
win 21 because law of averages says.
But if you lose that one game inthe World Cup it it kills you.
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And I'd say a big slice of luck for us in that our fixture list
was Ireland day off Australia straight away and we lost that
game to Ireland. It obviously threw everyone and
me as captain sort of all over the place.
You know, you're trying to process how you've lost that
game. Now you've got to pick a team
for the game tomorrow against Australia.
Are we going to make changes? Should we do that, Should we do
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that? To be completely honest, it was
a bit all over the place and a bit uncertain on selection.
Then it poured down and rained and we didn't play.
And that I think we were lucky that we didn't play because if
we lost that game, we're out. And I don't think we were in a
good place to play. And we just played Australia in
a three match series leading into that World Cup and won
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every game. I think, I think we won that
series 3 nil. So you know, you're going well,
they're due, they're due one andit's coming in a World Cup.
So but yeah, they're also tricksof the mind, aren't they?
Of like you're trying to convince yourself it's good to
lose 1. But also it would be quite nice
to sail through a tournament as well and get into, but you just
need to make the next step because I know when we lost in
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like 20-19, people are going straight to the analyst.
So just how many can you lose ifyou to still make the semis?
Like what's the permutations? How many points do we need?
So you just need to be able to get to the next step.
I remember hearing Adam Gilchrist talk about that.
For those great Australian teams, it's like we just want to
get in the Super eights or whatever they call it from the
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group. We just want to get into the
quarter final without hanging your hat on the final and
getting there and that's it's just the next step.
Indias Men in 23. Done every game.
Everything got to this final in Ahmed about 110,000.
People they've lost one game in ICC tournaments out of the last
20. I have to check it 2527 games,
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wow and that's that one final. They won Champions Trophy
without losing the game. They won the T20 World Cup
without losing the game. They won 10 games in that
tournament and just lost the final, which is outrageous when
you think about like say one offgames and just having to win.
We had. It in 2010 we started in Guyana.
When you talk about rain in Melbourne, it was thunderstorm
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season in Guyana and we're trying to sneak in our group
games and we we whacked it against from memory against the
West Indies, got maybe 200, which back then was was a lot
and it rained and they got set aduck within Lewis score but they
had 10 wickets to get it and youknow like 6 overs or 10 overs
something. So they scraped over the line.
So we lost then we had to beat island to go through again, rain
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affected and we were just about to go out and Michael Lump took
an amazing catch of deep square leg started pouring down.
That puts a head on Duckworth and Lewis and we through, you
know, through to the Super whatever it was group next group
part of the group stage. And then from that moment, we
remember boarding the plane fromGhana to go to Barbados and
we're like, this flight could easily be going back to
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Heathrow. Like we're so lucky to have got
through there. And then we won every single
game and lifted the trophy in Barbados.
And there's always moments whereyou think we've got a chance
here and probably in that World Cup, never looked that too, too
far ahead. We're talking about luck.
We're queuing up to the nationalanthems on the final, England
versus Australia, Barbados. And I'm stood behind Paul
Collingwood, who's our captain. And the mascots come.
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Paul leans down to his little girl and goes, what's your name?
I'm Paul. And she goes.
I'm called Lucky. That's crazy.
That is a weird moment. He just turned around to the
team and it's a hard day, guys. My mascot is called Lucky and
everyone. It's weird how that gave us
confidence. It's that's fascinating.
I mean, one that is fascinating.The other thing is sometimes you
create. So I don't know if you guys do
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any, but we ended up creating a bit of a ritual going into it.
So in the changing room, which was Lottie said it.
I remember she said to us, we'vegot to have pride and remember
why we're playing. Do you remember take that song?
I mean this is a while back but never forget.
So we started seeing what the rule was.
Give us a little render. Well, yeah, never forget.
I know you know the world. We could do a whole pod on that.
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So we decided that every time wewon, we would get in a changing
room, bang the the changing roomand we'd sing that song out our
lungs. And it became, I think the
science, the anchoring isn't it?It's like you all start getting
into this state. And on a serious note, we'd be
on the pitch thinking, right, I'm I was going to myself.
I'm more excited to win this game so we can sing that song,
get in the changing room. Bang on the so that became like
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a team morale thing that really LED us through that period.
And I remember like literally aswe were getting into that
something, everyone was like, listen, we're not here to win
for just winning sake. We want to be in that changing
room singing that song. And it kind of just created this
atmosphere of like excitement. You know, you've got different
characters in a changing room, but you need something that kind
of unites you. And it wasn't just about like
winning the IT was like a tribalfeeling of like just being with
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your squad mates. And so I think it's a weird
thing to say, but I feel like that period where we went and
won two World Cups, Ashes, a whole run, like that ability to
bring the squad together on something small, like made a
difference. And that was a change of
everything, nothing to do with like actual performance.
Let's focus our minds on World Cup final day.
Talk us through. Let's go for 2019 first home
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World Cup final. Lords, what are you doing?
As soon as that alarm goes, what's what's going on?
It's actually, it's hard sometimes to remember exactly,
isn't it? I know we stayed at the Landmark
Hotel, lovely hotel, Marylebone Rd. just around the corner from
Lords. Being really nervous.
Actually go back the day before when you're at the ground
training. It was fine because it's like as
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a cricketer, it's what you're used to, it's where you kind of
feel comfortable. Go to the Nets, put your kit on
and then when we left and going back to I remember just feeling
so nervous and then you build itup.
This is 4 years. We'll never ever get another
chance to win a World Cup final at Lord's.
What if it doesn't go right to the remember texting morgues to
be like, you know, if you've gottime for a cup of tea.
Then we sat in the lobby at the landmark.
Just I said, I know you've got enough on your plate, but like,
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I'm so nervous. I don't I'm really worried about
if we lose and etcetera, etcetera.
And he actually just really whether did it on purpose or
not, just sort of spoke about we've already won, like think
about where we were four years ago.
Like it's not going to change the legacy that we've created
and the way we've played, the way we've changed things around
and et cetera, et cetera, all the these things which were all
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true. But I still wanted the
validation that we we finished it off and won at Lords.
So but it helped and then I remember that, you know, the
next day being on on the team bus and I recognise that
opposite MO and we started talking about like that same
thing, like and also about some of the players who didn't manage
to make the final 15 sort of like this will be cool for them,
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like they'll be watching it, butthey wish they could be here and
it's justification for all this stuff.
And then when we got to the ground, it's again, it's like we
start to feel a little bit more comfortable.
As nervous as you are, I completely forgot this.
It rained a bit just and the toss got delayed.
And I think both teams were unsure of what to do at the
toss. Like, Lords has always been a
bat first, but now it's raining.Should we bowl?
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And knowing what that's like as a captain, I'm quite glad it was
morgues doing that because he would have been, you know, on
the outside at least, he would have looked really calm doing
that. But remember that uncertainty
for both teams, Like, what should we do?
And I kind of wanted to, I thinkbecause it was like, you all get
into the game together and New Zealand won the toss and still
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battered even. But you know, Lords is
traditionally hard to chase. But I just remember, yeah, the
ground being the place where I felt more comfortable and
everything away from the ground.It was like the anxiety of it.
And I always think about time like the World Cup finals I've
played in, even the one we lost in 2016 with Carlos Brathwaite,
I'd have those moments from likewho's going to win?
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And like in an hour we'll know like how strange.
Like the same thing with like in5 minutes time when this over's
over, we'll either have won or lost.
And same like keeping wicket, thinking the start of the Super
over. It's like, Oh my God, in 6
minutes I'm either going to feelthe best I've ever felt on a
cricket pitch or probably the worst.
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And like the extremes of those feelings are, you'd have to do
you think you have to deal. With snap your brain out that
quickly. Though Yeah, I remember, I
reckon I spoke to you about it at some point, like that Tom
Brady podcast about his thing was just do your job.
My job is to do this. I throw it over there.
His job is to run in this direction and he's meant to be
there. My job is just to throw the
ball. His job is to catch it.
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And I remember Joffra running upand the last ball.
There's no word of a lie. Just thinking if you're involved
in this ball in any way, shape or foot, just do your job.
Like, you know, probably wasn't even expecting it to come to me
at any point, but I was like, that's my focus.
And I think like you're talking about the the team song and like
how united you all are. I've never felt A-Team like that
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before that was so united. And that gave, I think a lot of
people hope and sort of like we're all in this together and
we're all, I remember walking out to the field for the Super
over and I won't get this right word for word, but I said
something to morgues about, you know, if you've got the luck of
the Irish with you. And he turned to Dilly and said,
what do you reckon? And rash goes, don't worry boys,
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Allah's with us. And it was like one of those
just moments where you're like that hope that like, you know,
things are on our side, you know, and I think they're big.
They were big things that stood out to me during that that day.
And then obviously the luck thatwe we got Trent Bolt stepping on
the rope. People forget that, you know,
the the Stokes moment, obviously, but I think we needed
20 something to win at that point.
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Bolt catches it, steps on the rope.
Stokes is in Sussex. Like the margins are brutal,
aren't they? They're actually bearish.
They are. But like, you know, if you, the
flip side have been, well, it's a bit similar to when Brathwaite
hit those four sixes. You like, you think the game's
done, remember MO and Rash talk about running past each other
after the completion of the 19thover a little high 5 and like
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we're going to win the cup and that's like 5 minutes later,
like gone, gone. Yeah.
I just think the World Cup does feel different and there's one
off games that you just need to find something extra.
And that's where I think that bond of your players and the
trust. And I thought you made a nice
point about like when the middleorder gets some time in the
middle as well, because if it comes to the crunch moment,
because that's the high pressurebit, isn't it like scoring the
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winning runs? Like, can you get your team over
the line? If you've not had a bat in the
World Cup, you've only faced 20 balls, 30 balls suddenly like,
Oh my God, it's all on me. But I don't know, there's is
there a perfect science still winning the World Cup?
I don't think there is from the way we're we're talking about
it, but. Oh, luck.
It's all luck. It's.
All luck, don't bother playing. One thing I'll take that.
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I do think what you're saying about, you know, having your cup
of tea and trying to keep calm. I noticed the the senior players
calmed everyone down and the joband the message coming from all
the management do everything thesame because some of us, you're
flapping about and you're wanting to change your route.
Don't change anything. You've been prepping forever,
you know, you route it, just do the same.
And I think it's like just beingable to come back down to
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settling to do your job. And I think that's what everyone
was able to do when all the emotions are flying, when you
get on that pitch, calm your emotions and just do your job.
And the other is having faith inyour players.
I remember for us it was Holly Colvin who was lower batting
order who ended up having to hitthe winning runs.
But you had faith in your players.
We had one shock on that morning.
Nikki Shaw came in for Jenny Gunn, who hadn't played for
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hadn't been in the main lineup, but you had faith in her and she
went and got A4 for four for 34.And so you got faith in your
players. I think the main thing is like
keeping the emotions as focused as you can.
So when that ball is coming to you, when it's your moment,
getting a ball over the line. So yeah, good emotions, which
was a lot of luck and trying to stay focused.
So you won it 2019, a huge part of that senior player, but then
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2022, your captain going to be lifting that World Cup.
Did that feel different? Yeah, they're both really
different. I think the lead in obviously to
2019 started in 2015. It was like the end goal for for
everyone. The 2022, the T20 World Cup
start coming round every two years.
I think we even played one the year before, 20, 21 we did and
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the COVID one in Dubai. So the sort of planning of it
was much shorter. It was almost like when we
arrived we had a 7 match series in Pakistan, then went straight
to Australia, played three matches against them and then
into the World Cup. So that seven matches in
Pakistan was probably the time we got really tight as a group.
There was still some guys who went straight to Australia and
didn't come to Pakistan, but youknow, it was sort of a lockdown
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kind of vibe. Everyone was together.
We played a great series and wonfour, three, which I think you
do want those confidence building series and you want to
know that you can win games of cricket and we played a game at
3 or to win and go 4/3. So a bit of a knockout final
kind of thing. But yeah, being the captain, I
remember just sort of trying to take some like lessons from 2019
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and what things I thought morgues did well.
And I know Ebbs was saying aboutyou can only do the same things
and do your process, which is absolutely right.
Whether it's a World Cup final or Saturday afternoon, you can
only control what you can control.
But obviously things are different on the outside.
And I remember Morgue saying whether it was the day before,
but look around like taking the boardings that say final, like
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it is different. Like as a captain, you're doing
the you're up on the MCG roof, doing the captain's photo with
the trophy. And so it is a bit different and
but it's allowing yourself not to.
I felt don't push that away and be like, oh, it's just another
game. It's not.
But the things I can do are thisare the same as just another
game. And I remember opening the
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curtains, let's say forecast horrendous, expecting it to rain
like bright blue sky, really windy, but like, Oh my God, we
might actually play. So then suddenly, like I think a
lot of us probably took a lot ofthe pressure off was like we
didn't think we were going to play.
It was like games off. It'll be a shared trophy or
something. But then going into that, like
say, the planning had sort of really been that Pakistan,
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Australia after the Ireland game, that moment was that right
now we're into knockout cricket and we'd we played our best
cricket actually then with our backs against the wall and must
win games. We played really well.
Great win against India in the semi final.
And I just thought we we got theluck of the toss.
Great toss to win bowl first bowled really well and we were
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sixty. I think we needed sixty off 10.
Like they bowled really well. And nipped around big time.
I've faced one over off Naseem Shah.
They bowled 5 wides, I played and missed five times and I
scooped A6 like it was the most outrageous over and I just
couldn't edit and they bowled really well.
We played and missed loads of time.
We like, but you just kind of like, I'm awful watch.
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I was terrible watching it. Like what's he doing?
Why is he doing this? Come on score some runs.
But he just had that knack. He was like, he's done it loads
of times. You sort of he'll be there at
the end, it'll all work. And Shane Shah got injured and
he tried Yeah, I remember he tried to bowl and then had to
stop is over and Iftikhar bowledoff spinner and that was the
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over like Stokes, he took down and got us going again.
So like, yeah, it's all down to luck.
It's. All down to luck, but.
Like, no, I just think of those,you know, you need those
players, you need the top players to talk about.
It's maybe unfair to pick up oneperson.
Chris Jordan was brilliant in that World Cup for us, had hard
discussion with him right at thestart, left him out.
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He'd been a key player for that.He just wanted to know why he's
left out and he's like, you know, as soon as we finish this
conversation, I'm right behind you.
I'll be the best team man the whole time we were there and
then Mark Wood got injured, so CJ came in for the semi final,
ended up playing semi final in the final.
He was like one of those guys tothose senior players, keep
everyone calm. He was like, look, if I'm
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playing great if I'm not and youwant to change back.
But Woody was still a was a bit touch and go with injuries with
him and David Milan. But he was someone that I as a
captain was like so grateful forthat.
Like he was there in that momentand even when he wasn't playing
around those other games. You need those those guys who
just know how to and you also, Ithink need the naivety of some
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of the younger players who don'treally they have not been
scarred by anything. You know, they've not got the
they haven't lost a World Cup final before, they haven't been
knocked out and embarrassed or they just think they just see
the upside and everything, whichis nice as well.
So what was the final light for you?
So how did the game pan out? Did you have any of those
moments? Like we've lost it, we've won
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it, What's gonna? Happen.
I mean, I'm the worst person sometimes in your team because
I'm there was a few of us. I was all the younger players at
the time flapping about. Oh my God, you know, you've got
older players like Lottie, Charlotte Edwards and Claire
Taylor telling you shut up, calmdown and focus.
One thing we did have, because we being in Australia and there
was a good crowd and we were up at North Sydney Oval for us as
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well. I remember it was the early days
of when women's cricket came to the ICC.
So we went from having zero crowd crowds and 0 visibility,
no one watching to crowds, full TV cameras, the whole works.
So you did feel like, Oh my God,this is another level.
And it was actually the job was like everyone's saying, but calm
it all down because I know that it feels different, but you've
got to calm it down. And that morning, I just
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remember actually just seeing all the family.
There was one slice of the standand they were the only ones out
with any flags. There was no English flag and
the Aussies weren't feeling. But you did just look to in the
stands to that, that sort of support and it, it, it did kind
of just feel kind of calm everyone down.
I think it really did sort of humble us all.
But the actual game, again, it ended up being a bit of a lower
score than we, we ended up getting New Zealand because of
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how it played out. So I think that gave us a sense
of a bit more confidence. If it was Australia, we would
have gone into that game with a few more nerves because
Australia had been on a long domination of the women's game
for a while. So there was already that
feeling of we've got a chance. But then it came down to the
wiring. Like it wasn't our top order who
got the job done. And it came down to Holly Colvin
sort of middle to lower order. And I just remember us all on
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the bench, this moment of like everyone was holding each
other's hands, like praying, that feeling of like, come on.
And I just remember she just clicked it off her leg and she
just jumped in in the end, you know, that was it.
So I think it was one of those games where it was a bit
scratchy, a bit like your final actually in 2019.
It was a little bit scratchy. It didn't go to plan.
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It wasn't the big Australians wickets where we've been scoring
big runs. It was kind of a game that you
had to just chip away, but having that support, trying to
just not get carried away with the lights of so much more
awareness and media and stuff like that, it was incredible.
So yeah, definitely one of the best days and I think the
celebrations after actually werepretty cool as well.
How did you celebrate? Well, I mean, you always have to
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do a team photo the morning after and they make it in a
horrific time because you've gone out pretty much.
You're not back. You're not back.
And I'd take it. I remember I was that with Isha
and we're in this nightclub and I've got my medal around my my
neck and went Raven to whatever songs and it's gone.
It's had a jagged edge. I don't know why they built the
trophy like but it the middle, but it went in my eye.
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I ended up having like a swolleneye that was all red.
And we're all having to do theselike professional photos the
next morning. Well, when I say the next
morning, we just all rolled straight to the photo and we all
just look an absolute state, like trying to pretend that
you're looking polished. And I had one eye.
So like the photo is just like us just all trying to pull it
together. But I think that that
celebration, I think that is that feeling of being with your
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mates, that you've worked so hard for something and you
you're also being in Australia for us all, like this is the
place that has taken us down foryears and to be there like
Sydney Harbour Bridge, it was just amazing.
So Barbados, our World Cup fight, it was a day game because
of timings with, you know, ICC or whatever.
So I think Collie as captain said we're not doing anything
the next day. But this is after the game.
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Let's, if you want a team pitcher, we're happy to go and
do it after the game. So in our England kit, with our
medals around her neck, we went to the beach and our official
World Cup winning pitcher is with the sun setting on a
Barbados beach with the ocean inthe background.
It's so-called such a nice picture.
That is amazing, but it's also smart that you didn't mean you
could just have fun after Harbour Lights straight in,
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yeah. Run punch Exactly.
Can't remember that. Right, that's it.
That's all I've got. Yeah, I mean, I think Lord's
celebrations were. I get that.
I think the breaking the stump, that pure elation.
I've never felt elation like that for if I could relive 2
minutes of my career running round the field, throwing my
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gloves off, sort of, that was just the most incredible for
you. And then you're in the dressing
room at Lord's, all the familiescome in and, you know, you see
how much it means to all your loved ones and singing songs.
And remember, Mark Wood was quite good at coming up with a
song. We liked our football chants and
we were coming up with a song. We actually the bat I used in
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the final, we wrote the lyrics to the song on that for like
everyone to sing in the dressingroom.
And then we just headed back to the hotel and in the Landmark
there's like a bar downstairs where, you know, you could have
been anywhere in the world and we'd have had the best time
ever. It's just all the players,
family and friends. The next day we had to go to the
Oval actually. You weren't coaching, didn't
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you? For like a kids coaching thing.
And you learn you just like every player is.
As much as we loved it, it's great to go and give back to the
game. That wasn't the time.
I remember seeing pictures of that coaching session going oh.
Yeah, what are they doing? Get your glasses on.
Yeah, I remember Vincey coming out of the toilets at the Oval
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going God, did anyone have the prawns last night?
They have a dodgy tummy, I do. So I have to admit I remember
winning that game and thinking I'll never feel pressure ever
again in cricket. I'm so happy I was just free
will the rest of my career, couldn't care less what happens.
And then like a week later we were into that Ashes series and
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I was scared and nervous. And so I thought this would all
have gone now like now. But it's like it lasts for that
period of time, doesn't it? It's not like it's not forever.
It's like that one day and you know, you live that out and
obviously you can relive it forever and ever, but you know,
you still go back to feeling thesame way and the next game of
cricket that you you play, whichtook me by surprise actually.
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I'm going to make us quite difficult but going to make us
try and pick one factor that we think is the most important for
World Cup winning teams. I'm going to nick the first one
because it's quite a hard question.
I just think your best players performing at that period of
time in the calendar year that World Cup arrives and your
players are in form, they're relaxed.
They're scoring your runs, they're taking your wickets.
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Trevor Baylis is right, your players win you World Cups and
just having key players cruising, relax, playing well,
it takes you so far. Glad you went first.
It's hard to beat that. Isn't it great?
You need top players also that unity because you do face
adversities. Mike Tyson, everyone's got a
plan to get punched in the face and at some point in the World
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Cup that will happen and how youcan react to that moment.
Can you, you know, stay the course and see it through and
not be sort of interrupted and put off by the media and the
narrative that is outside? Can you protect that dressing
room and that feeling that you've got in there, obviously,
which you need great players to do in different ways and you
need a great support, but that sanctuary, can you keep that
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there? When when, when the pressure
moments come on, when the adversity comes, when you lose
the game that you should have won those kind of can you still
stay the course? I think for us in 2019 that that
came, you know, that was built over years, years and years of
playing together for a long period of time and just trusting
in your mate and think, oh, he'sa great player, he's a great
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player, he's good. If he doesn't do it, he'll do
it. And not that you didn't want to
be the one to do it, but it was like, well, if I don't do it,
someone of these guys will. And I thought that kept us
together really, really well. Yeah, fortunately have to go
last and this is quite a. Yeah, well, I feel like you guys
have just taken my Thunder, but it's fine.
But I think that the one thing Ijust say is momentum.
And what I mean by that is it can hit you at 2 points.
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I think in a World Cup, you either get it coming in because
you're on a great run, You've been, you know, winning your
teams, been rebuilding for years, everyone talking about
you and you believe that you've got it, or which we've also had
is you get into tournament, it'sa bit clunky and then you
realize it's a must win and you get that momentum and you just
kind of ride it to the final. And I think whenever that moment
comes, like a good team maximises it and stays with it
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and rolls with it because you have to.
To win in a World Cup is different to bilaterals.
You have to take take that momentum at some stage.
And to do that, you've got to have which you said first that
you stole what I wanted to say, great players, great players.
Yeah, if you want to be a great coach, some great players.
That's all we've got time for this weekend.
Thanks again for joining us. Once again, big question, can
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England win the World Cup? They can, but I think it's going
to be really hard. I'm going to be honest.
I think Australia, India. They're so good in Australia is
so good. Yeah, and if anyone saw the game
recently, Australia scored 410, India got 390.
England are going to. Have to update that game.
That was just recent in there. They're playing a series just
before. Ground like that's a lot.
Why you have to your IPL team? Yeah, what stadium are they
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playing? Yeah, I met about most of it.
Most great place to bat. Can they do it?
They need a bit of luck. Yeah, all you need is a bit of
luck. We need to be fine.
Thanks ebbs. Yeah, best of luck to the
England and I'm sure you can winthat World Cup.
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comment or a rating. Bye for now.
I said something to morgues about, you know, if you've got
the luck of the Irish with you, and he turned to Dilly and said
what do you reckon? And Rash goes.
Don't worry boys, Allah's with us.
We ended up creating a bit of a ritual in the change room, which
was, do you remember, Take that song?
I mean it was a while back, but never forget.
Give us a little rendition. Well, yeah, never forget.
I know you know the word. Breaking the stump, I've never
felt relation like that. That was just the most
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incredible for you. And the next day we had to go to
the Oval. Actually, we weren't coaching
them for like a kids coaching thing.
As much as we loved it and it's great to go and give back to the
game, it wasn't the time. I remember seeing pictures of
that coaching session going ohhh.
Yeah, what are they doing? The Women's World Cup is
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underway in India and Sri Lanka.Can anyone stop those dominant
Aussies? Can England find the winning
formula and what are the key ingredients to success in an ICC
global tournament? Jose, I think you're in a pretty
good place to answer those questions having won the 50 over
World Cup and the T20 World Cup.I'll give it a go Brody, but
don't forget you're a World Cup winner too.
And we are also joined by Ebony Rainford.
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Brent, Australia 2009 World Cup winner.
Hello ABS. Hey everybody, good to be back.
There you go. ABS you can kick us off.
You won the World Cup in Australia 2009.
How much of that was down to really good planning and when
did that start? Yeah, I think we had a similar
to the men actually in 2015 theyhad a bit of a reset.
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My debut for England was 2007, so 2 years before and we got
absolutely hammered in a world tournament.
We were playing in India, Australia, New Zealand and US
lost every game over six weeks tournament and it was, it was a
painful reset because I think wehad high hopes for the squad.
But then when you go up against the top teams you realise where
you're missing. So I remember for us that was
like a real reset. We got a new coach, new strategy
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and plans of what we needed to do in terms of how aggressive we
need to be chasing down totals. The women's game actually then
was a little bit different, likesometimes you'd want more taking
pace off the ball rather than trying to accelerate it.
Scoring areas were a little bit different.
So we kind of as a squad, I would say, really focused on
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like your roles and responsibilities.
I wasn't a top player, so I knewI had two roles.
I had to be ready as an opening battle when there was going to
be rotation in a World Cup, You know, in a World Cup, you know,
over a long period it's unlikelythat you'll play every game
sometimes. So I had to be mentally switched
on to be able to come in and perform when it was my go, but
also not be sour when you're notplaying and you're running the
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drinks. So there was a role there.
And then also in the field, likeyou, every single detail for
every single player, I knew a player fielded that point or I
ran on the boundary. Which players do you want to be
off the boundary for? Which players do you want to be
deeper? So we really spent sort of 18
months resetting the team, resetting what we needed to do
to be at the top and then sort of everything clicked and we
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just went on this run into the World Cup.
So I think that's a good thing actually is we had the momentum
coming in, which gives you the belief and then the plans got
executed to the end. And I say the one bit of luck we
had was when you worked out the permutations and you realised
you might be missing Australia in that Super Six stage as
you're thinking we could do this, we might just do it, the
plans could come to good. You need luck in in world
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tournaments. Don't you like playing the right
people at the right time? And so you, you didn't get
Australia in the Super Sixes, but when did you play them?
In the group stages we had the weaker teams.
Actually the at that stage Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan weren't
as strong in terms of in Australian conditions.
So that allowed us to get in. And then when we played
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Australia in the Super Sixes, weknew even if we lost that one
game there was still a chance ofqualifying for the final.
So it's a bad thing to say, but it is luck.
Like how your teams are drawn sometimes can give you an
advantage of where you end up inthe end later stages of that's
just part of tournament cricket.But luck as well, you know,
sometimes an injury. We had an injury in the final
with Nikki Shaw, who ended up coming in for Jenny Garn.
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She gets a four for. Is that luck?
You know, I don't know. You didn't really plan for that.
But a player turns up on a day that maybe, I don't know if
Johnny Gunn would have done thatperformance.
So luck plays a big. Part 2019 you have 50 over World
Cup win and 2022T20. Can you pick out a moment of
luck in those tournaments that well the.
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Final big one. The biggest?
Yeah, the final you might be able to, but maybe leading into
the final. Yeah, obviously where Stokes,
his bat was at the perfect time,the perfect throw like that was
like winning the lottery. That was unbelievable piece of
luck. But I'd say a bit like ebbs that
reset after a poor World Cup in Australia.
Strauss, Bayliss, Morgan came inwith a whole new way of playing,
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wanting to and they very obviously we had a home World
Cup coming up. So it was, I think straight away
it was like how do we have a team that is able to compete and
win in this World Cup because wehadn't been close ever before.
So you know, did quite a lot of work on where you were in the
rankings in bilateral cricket, like the top teams.
If you were in the number one ortwo, you had X amount of chance
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of getting to the final or winning it.
The home nation had obviously done well the average caps of
players playing in the final. So obviously, and it's all quite
when you start to work it out, you're like, well, obviously
players would have a lot of capsbecause they're a good team.
They've been playing together for a long time.
But so we were lucky from the start that we they picked
players and they stuck with themand they performed, you know,
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because you it's all well and good saying we're going to back
people and stick with them, but you need them to perform well.
Otherwise, there comes a point where you have to change because
the performance hasn't got to the level that you need it to.
And I think you need to win early.
So we we start, we won the firstseries back.
It was like a new way of playing.
We can win this way. And it was like really exciting.
But the World Cup was still quite far away at that point.
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But there's a few moments like obviously Roy and Hales started
as the opening partnership back in sort of 2015.
Johnny had been like banging them down the door like the
whole time. Anytime he came in for one game,
he always got runs. But then they were very loyal
and went back to, you know, Johnny Bad.
Three, sometimes 5-6, whoever was injured and then it was
around the Champions Trophy time.
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Jason got left out actually and it was Bairstow and Hale start.
Then something happened where Roy came back in for Hale.
And those two, I think those twowere, there was loads of key
players and key ingredients, butthat was like our super
strength. They were an amazing opening
partnership and the moment I think in in our World Cup when
we were our backs against the wall, we'd lost to Pakistan, Sri
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Lanka and Australia and then we had sort of a team meeting at
Edgbaston about how everyone wasfeeling.
I know David Young and Morgues had sort of spoke to a few
people to say a few things and it's actually one of my
favourite bits of that World Cup, if not the favorite is we
went out to play against India. Every game's a must win game and
Roy and Basto just smashed it from the start and we got off to
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an amazing start. And then I remember overs 10 to
20, they scored 90 runs in that period, just smashed it all
round edge bastard. And I just remember thinking how
cool is this? In our biggest moment of need in
a World Cup must win game, we'velike reverted to type of this is
how we played our cricket in theyears leading up.
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We're going to be brave, we're going to take it on and we'll go
down swinging basically. But obviously we went on to win
that game and and go on and and win the tournament.
But that was the moment for me in that World Cup that was like
all was nearly lost. And we were like on that Cliff
edge of like. And I remember Michael Vaughan
saying something about this willbe the biggest disappointment
actually because of home World Cup, all the time and energy
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that had been put into this team.
And, and it just lit that spark in Johnny Bastow, which I'm sure
Vorney will probably take creditfirst.
See, I knew how to get him going, but Johnny then just took
off and he scored 100 in the next game against New Zealand.
And it's amazing that you you plan for all these things.
And I think we planned for really high scoring games.
I think everyone went into that World Cup thinking it'll be
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scores of three, 5400. But because of TV timings, a lot
of the games at 11:00 starts theICC obviously control the
pitches. So we'd been playing in England
on, you know, absolute shirt fronts, high scores, but
suddenly it was all a bit different.
It was like if you win the powerplay, you win the game and you
think of the final we won, it was a scrap and like an ugly
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win, which wasn't the style of cricket we'd been playing.
But that came for us at a time when the side could handle that.
And I think that was the big thing for us about we were we
developed enough as a team to find that.
And you say like luck are the things big.
You need top players to win World Cups, you know, you need
great. But I remember being at the IPL
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and Robin Uttarpa who'd had Trevor Bayliss as his coach at
KKR. Trevor was coaching summarised
at the time. We all started training at the
same time in Dubai and he came over to say congratulations on
winning the World Cup. And Trevor went well.
I didn't do anything. I had some great players and
it's like in his way that you know how he was.
But to win things you need greatplayers.
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You need great players to stand up at great moments.
Ben Stokes obviously did that 20/19.
He did that in 2022 for us as well, to drag the team over the
line. I'm sure going into Sri Lanka
for this one, the girls will need, you know, I think of that
Silver Brunt, it's probably the one everyone's, she's captain as
well, but she's probably the oneeveryone's looking to, to be
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that player. Would you agree with that?
A. 100% And I think I was even thinking back to the Women's
World Cup in 2017, a couple of years before you guys at Lourdes
Anya, was that player, Anya Shrubsol, who in the semi final,
I remember it got down to the wire against South Africa.
She's coming in late later in the batting order and everyone's
scrapping around and she just comes in almost like what are
you all, what are you all scrapping around and just goes
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bang, bang, bang, gets the job done.
And then when the game got tightin the final against India,
ended up with what was it, 6 foot, 2 ridiculous wickets.
Even when it was getting tight, she just came and took the ball
and just took the lead. And I think you need those
players. And for us going into this
current World Cup, that player is, you're right, Nat
Silverbrun. And I think if she's back
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bowling fit, which is important,then she offers that sort of
that allows that team to have the balance.
That's the other thing in World Cups is that you need that
flexibility to have a player like a Ben Stokes, Nat
Silverbrun, who can offer you those options that you can then
tweak your team depending on whether you need that extra
seamless spinner. And also, when the pressure
comes on, they just don't flap. That's something you do to do
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very well. But I mean, you do need those
players who, when that pressure ramps up, they stay focused on
what they achieve. But Brody, you obviously won
that T20 World Cup in Barbados 2010.
Couple of moments, obviously. Tell us about some of the
planning for that. And also 8 for three, did you
think you'd already won the World Cup?
Well, the final itself, yeah, itwas.
When I look back at that tournament, we scraped through
the group stage, as mentioned earlier, and then we just got on
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this rhythm of winning games, and it was almost the clearest
I've seen a team have roles. The bowlers bowled certain overs
all the way through. The batters did exactly the same
thing at the top of the order. The only bit that nearly
derailed us is KP was in the form of his life batting 3 and
he went home, I think for the birth of his first child.
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So missed the semi final when what a time to go home.
You know, it's like as a young 23 or I don't don't go home.
I get it now. I get it now.
But so we we lost him for the semi final.
So that was the only bit where Ithought, Oh no, you know, like,
is that just going to derail us slightly?
But Ravi Papara came in and we we got over the line that semi
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final. So once we arrived at the final,
KP had flown back in. It just had that feeling of
we've got great players doing like nailing their skills with a
plan that's so crystal clear. We very windy grounds in the
Caribbean, big square, so we just had tall bowlers bowling
slow balls. Who?
Sure, really like ideas because I feel like that was the birth
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of this slow ball. Bouncer.
Yeah, like the bowling attack did you?
Stumble across that or was. That in a sense, yeah.
Collie Paul Collingwood, who wascaptain, liked the idea of
protecting one side, like getting players hitting into the
wind. So basically we had left armor
in right and side bottom who bowled with like the end into
the wind or whatever. And the right handers would then
get the the batters hitting intothe wind on the big side.
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And it was such a structured wayof doing it.
And every ground we turned up tohad a side cross wind strong.
So we had tactics to be able to do that and we.
Had, but with the opposition doing that as well and not as
much. Not as much.
It was it was almost like the birth of the slur ball longhop
type thing. And then we had bowling badly.
Yeah, practice bowling badly andthen we had Swanee and Michael
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Yardy in the middle who who, whocontrolled it.
But that makes it sound like it was a really structured sort of
disciplined build up going in into win it.
I mean, we arrived in the Caribbean with no hope really.
We'd gone on a tour to Abu Dhabi.
We played England versus EnglandLions team in in Abu Dhabi
before we went somewhere before the the World Cup and Michael
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Lum and Craig Kieswetter were playing for the Lions and they
smashed us everywhere, opening the back, whacked it everywhere
and they out from that innings. Andy Flower, head coach went
they're opening the back for us in the World Cup.
So that it was literally that came from nowhere to opening the
bank for his left right hand combo.
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Very different style of players.Keysway just went from ball one,
had an amazing hand eye. Lummy could sort of find the
boundary early, but build, take the pace down incredibly well
and they were complete unknowns really.
You know, if you just said four months out from that World Cup,
Oh yeah, Michael Lemon Keys weregoing to open the batting in the
World Cup. Finally blank.
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No chance. So that sort of blows up a bit
the succession planning of years, but that was just a head
coach going. We're missing that sort of
dynamic approach at the top. We're going for that.
But then once we got to the Caribbean, we barely changed the
team. It was like this is who's
playing, this is the oversure bowling.
I think I bowled four and six inthe power play and then, you
know, 15 and 17 back end Sidebottom would always finished
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at the death and we just carriedthat all the way through and it
almost felt inevitable that we were winning that World Cup.
Walking out of Barbados felt like a home game, like would how
you'd have felt it at Lourdes, probably less you in Australia,
but it just felt like a home game as England flags
everywhere, like our national anthem was probably looking back
still the most emotional I've been in an England show, I
reckon, just like roared national anthem in a World Cup
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final in Barbados. And I wouldn't say any special
planning, but one went once we got there.
Our adaptability of getting usedto conditions quicker than any
of the team was was why we won that World Cup.
How important in World Cups do you feel early games are?
You mentioned about winning early in in 2019 but not many
teams win every single game in the World Cup and then go on and
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and win the final. So you're going to have to get
over a a loss at some stage. You don't want that loss coming
in the semi final. You actually don't mind losing 1
relatively early just to sharpenyou up, just to learn from those
mistakes so that when the crunchgames comes, it's almost like
law of averages. That's how I see it.
You know you're going to lose 1 at some stage if you've won 8
going into the semi finals, one's coming your way.
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You know if you've lost one about game five, then you can
win four in a row to to win the World Cup.
It's sort of it like in 1009, in2009, did you win every single
game going into? Pretty much everything until
losing to Australia. And I think that's the other
thing is you don't mind losing early because it sharpens you up
and you don't mind losing to someone who's a top team earlier
in the competition because it's expected that you know it's
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going to be a tough tournament. It's when you get those those
games that upset you that you'replaying against the Bangladesh
or Shranker or someone like that, that in the women's game,
you might have thought, we'll walk through that and then they
upset you or they've got you on the ropes.
And then that's the kind of gamethat unsettles your game.
But I think I think losing earlyis good.
I think it sharpened you up. It really focuses you if you,
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especially if you lose to someone, it makes you realize,
hold on. We're pretty much now playing
quarterfinals, semi finals. And I did notice in we when the
year we won there and also in the 2019 20 World Cup.
It allows you just to go, do youknow what we've got?
It really focuses you to to really get that.
So yeah, I think the worst position you'd want to be in is
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cruising all the way through, not really being tested.
And the other issue is your middle order often and your
lower order batting order don't get a chance to get time at the
wicket because usually if you'rewinning one to four have done
the job, the bowlers have kind of run through this when they
finally get exposed because you've had a collapse or
something, they haven't had timeat the crease and then all of
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those problems. So I think getting the whole
squad through different scenarios early in the
tournament is good. Did you lose to Ireland in 2022?
Yeah, we did. It was basically rainy season in
Australia, wasn't? It yeah, it's pouring down in
Melbourne, but the whole time we're actually so lucky to play
the final because it rained the whole time in Melbourne and
somehow we got a game in for thefinal.
But yeah, we lost to Ireland andthey're the games like Evany was
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just saying it's like they should be the game you look
forward to because you're expected to win.
But they almost like they're theworst because you're sort of
like, with no disrespect to Ireland, you are expected to
win. You're expected to win well, and
it should be a game in your tournament that isn't a worry.
But they're almost the harder ones because you're and then
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actually during the game is whenyou can really feel it as well.
Like they got off to a flyer andwe just, we bowled poorly and we
just couldn't stem the flyer of runs.
And it was like, and then you'relooking at the scoreboard like
in a bilateral game, you probably wouldn't be as worried.
Now you're like, we have to win this game.
Like now it's getting a bit uncomfortable.
I think in World Cups you can put a few extra runs on the
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because as much as you want to protect the way you play, this
is how we're going to win the World Cup.
It is different because the consequences are different.
So it's not that you fear failure, but you fear the
consequences of losing. In a bilateral series it's not
as big and you might play three games, we'll we'll lose 1, we'll
win 21 because law of averages says.
But if you lose that one game inthe World Cup it it kills you.
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And I'd say a big slice of luck for us in that our fixture list
was Ireland day off Australia straight away and we lost that
game to Ireland. It obviously threw everyone and
me as captain sort of all over the place.
You know, you're trying to process how you've lost that
game. Now you've got to pick a team
for the game tomorrow against Australia.
Are we going to make changes? Should we do that, Should we do
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that? To be completely honest, it was
a bit all over the place and a bit uncertain on selection.
Then it poured down and rained and we didn't play.
And that I think we were lucky that we didn't play because if
we lost that game, we're out. And I don't think we were in a
good place to play. And we just played Australia in
a three match series leading into that World Cup and won
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every game. I think, I think we won that
series 3 nil. So you know, you're going well,
they're due, they're due one andit's coming in a World Cup.
So but yeah, they're also tricksof the mind, aren't they?
Of like you're trying to convince yourself it's good to
lose 1. But also it would be quite nice
to sail through a tournament as well and get into, but you just
need to make the next step because I know when we lost in
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like 20-19, people are going straight to the analyst.
So just how many can you lose ifyou to still make the semis?
Like what's the permutations? How many points do we need?
So you just need to be able to get to the next step.
I remember hearing Adam Gilchrist talk about that.
For those great Australian teams, it's like we just want to
get in the Super eights or whatever they call it from the
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group. We just want to get into the
quarter final without hanging your hat on the final and
getting there and that's it's just the next step.
Indias Men in 23. Done every game.
Everything got to this final in Ahmed about 110,000.
People they've lost one game in ICC tournaments out of the last
20. I have to check it 2527 games,
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wow and that's that one final. They won Champions Trophy
without losing the game. They won the T20 World Cup
without losing the game. They won 10 games in that
tournament and just lost the final, which is outrageous when
you think about like say one offgames and just having to win.
We had. It in 2010 we started in Guyana.
When you talk about rain in Melbourne, it was thunderstorm
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season in Guyana and we're trying to sneak in our group
games and we we whacked it against from memory against the
West Indies, got maybe 200, which back then was was a lot
and it rained and they got set aduck within Lewis score but they
had 10 wickets to get it and youknow like 6 overs or 10 overs
something. So they scraped over the line.
So we lost then we had to beat island to go through again, rain
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affected and we were just about to go out and Michael Lump took
an amazing catch of deep square leg started pouring down.
That puts a head on Duckworth and Lewis and we through, you
know, through to the Super whatever it was group next group
part of the group stage. And then from that moment, we
remember boarding the plane fromGhana to go to Barbados and
we're like, this flight could easily be going back to
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Heathrow. Like we're so lucky to have got
through there. And then we won every single
game and lifted the trophy in Barbados.
And there's always moments whereyou think we've got a chance
here and probably in that World Cup, never looked that too, too
far ahead. We're talking about luck.
We're queuing up to the nationalanthems on the final, England
versus Australia, Barbados. And I'm stood behind Paul
Collingwood, who's our captain. And the mascots come.
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Paul leans down to his little girl and goes, what's your name?
I'm Paul. And she goes.
I'm called Lucky. That's crazy.
That is a weird moment. He just turned around to the
team and it's a hard day, guys. My mascot is called Lucky and
everyone. It's weird how that gave us
confidence. It's that's fascinating.
I mean, one that is fascinating.The other thing is sometimes you
create. So I don't know if you guys do
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any, but we ended up creating a bit of a ritual going into it.
So in the changing room, which was Lottie said it.
I remember she said to us, we'vegot to have pride and remember
why we're playing. Do you remember take that song?
I mean this is a while back but never forget.
So we started seeing what the rule was.
Give us a little render. Well, yeah, never forget.
I know you know the world. We could do a whole pod on that.
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So we decided that every time wewon, we would get in a changing
room, bang the the changing roomand we'd sing that song out our
lungs. And it became, I think the
science, the anchoring isn't it?It's like you all start getting
into this state. And on a serious note, we'd be
on the pitch thinking, right, I'm I was going to myself.
I'm more excited to win this game so we can sing that song,
get in the changing room. Bang on the so that became like
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a team morale thing that really LED us through that period.
And I remember like literally aswe were getting into that
something, everyone was like, listen, we're not here to win
for just winning sake. We want to be in that changing
room singing that song. And it kind of just created this
atmosphere of like excitement. You know, you've got different
characters in a changing room, but you need something that kind
of unites you. And it wasn't just about like
winning the IT was like a tribalfeeling of like just being with
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your squad mates. And so I think it's a weird
thing to say, but I feel like that period where we went and
won two World Cups, Ashes, a whole run, like that ability to
bring the squad together on something small, like made a
difference. And that was a change of
everything, nothing to do with like actual performance.
Let's focus our minds on World Cup final day.
Talk us through. Let's go for 2019 first home
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World Cup final. Lords, what are you doing?
As soon as that alarm goes, what's what's going on?
It's actually, it's hard sometimes to remember exactly,
isn't it? I know we stayed at the Landmark
Hotel, lovely hotel, Marylebone Rd. just around the corner from
Lords. Being really nervous.
Actually go back the day before when you're at the ground
training. It was fine because it's like as
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a cricketer, it's what you're used to, it's where you kind of
feel comfortable. Go to the Nets, put your kit on
and then when we left and going back to I remember just feeling
so nervous and then you build itup.
This is 4 years. We'll never ever get another
chance to win a World Cup final at Lord's.
What if it doesn't go right to the remember texting morgues to
be like, you know, if you've gottime for a cup of tea.
Then we sat in the lobby at the landmark.
Just I said, I know you've got enough on your plate, but like,
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I'm so nervous. I don't I'm really worried about
if we lose and etcetera, etcetera.
And he actually just really whether did it on purpose or
not, just sort of spoke about we've already won, like think
about where we were four years ago.
Like it's not going to change the legacy that we've created
and the way we've played, the way we've changed things around
and et cetera, et cetera, all the these things which were all
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true. But I still wanted the
validation that we we finished it off and won at Lords.
So but it helped and then I remember that, you know, the
next day being on on the team bus and I recognise that
opposite MO and we started talking about like that same
thing, like and also about some of the players who didn't manage
to make the final 15 sort of like this will be cool for them,
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like they'll be watching it, butthey wish they could be here and
it's justification for all this stuff.
And then when we got to the ground, it's again, it's like we
start to feel a little bit more comfortable.
As nervous as you are, I completely forgot this.
It rained a bit just and the toss got delayed.
And I think both teams were unsure of what to do at the
toss. Like, Lords has always been a
bat first, but now it's raining.Should we bowl?
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And knowing what that's like as a captain, I'm quite glad it was
morgues doing that because he would have been, you know, on
the outside at least, he would have looked really calm doing
that. But remember that uncertainty
for both teams, Like, what should we do?
And I kind of wanted to, I thinkbecause it was like, you all get
into the game together and New Zealand won the toss and still
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battered even. But you know, Lords is
traditionally hard to chase. But I just remember, yeah, the
ground being the place where I felt more comfortable and
everything away from the ground.It was like the anxiety of it.
And I always think about time like the World Cup finals I've
played in, even the one we lost in 2016 with Carlos Brathwaite,
I'd have those moments from likewho's going to win?
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And like in an hour we'll know like how strange.
Like the same thing with like in5 minutes time when this over's
over, we'll either have won or lost.
And same like keeping wicket, thinking the start of the Super
over. It's like, Oh my God, in 6
minutes I'm either going to feelthe best I've ever felt on a
cricket pitch or probably the worst.
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And like the extremes of those feelings are, you'd have to do
you think you have to deal. With snap your brain out that
quickly. Though Yeah, I remember, I
reckon I spoke to you about it at some point, like that Tom
Brady podcast about his thing was just do your job.
My job is to do this. I throw it over there.
His job is to run in this direction and he's meant to be
there. My job is just to throw the
ball. His job is to catch it.
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And I remember Joffra running upand the last ball.
There's no word of a lie. Just thinking if you're involved
in this ball in any way, shape or foot, just do your job.
Like, you know, probably wasn't even expecting it to come to me
at any point, but I was like, that's my focus.
And I think like you're talking about the the team song and like
how united you all are. I've never felt A-Team like that
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before that was so united. And that gave, I think a lot of
people hope and sort of like we're all in this together and
we're all, I remember walking out to the field for the Super
over and I won't get this right word for word, but I said
something to morgues about, you know, if you've got the luck of
the Irish with you. And he turned to Dilly and said,
what do you reckon? And rash goes, don't worry boys,
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Allah's with us. And it was like one of those
just moments where you're like that hope that like, you know,
things are on our side, you know, and I think they're big.
They were big things that stood out to me during that that day.
And then obviously the luck thatwe we got Trent Bolt stepping on
the rope. People forget that, you know,
the the Stokes moment, obviously, but I think we needed
20 something to win at that point.
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Bolt catches it, steps on the rope.
Stokes is in Sussex. Like the margins are brutal,
aren't they? They're actually bearish.
They are. But like, you know, if you, the
flip side have been, well, it's a bit similar to when Brathwaite
hit those four sixes. You like, you think the game's
done, remember MO and Rash talk about running past each other
after the completion of the 19thover a little high 5 and like
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we're going to win the cup and that's like 5 minutes later,
like gone, gone. Yeah.
I just think the World Cup does feel different and there's one
off games that you just need to find something extra.
And that's where I think that bond of your players and the
trust. And I thought you made a nice
point about like when the middleorder gets some time in the
middle as well, because if it comes to the crunch moment,
because that's the high pressurebit, isn't it like scoring the
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winning runs? Like, can you get your team over
the line? If you've not had a bat in the
World Cup, you've only faced 20 balls, 30 balls suddenly like,
Oh my God, it's all on me. But I don't know, there's is
there a perfect science still winning the World Cup?
I don't think there is from the way we're we're talking about
it, but. Oh, luck.
It's all luck. It's.
All luck, don't bother playing. One thing I'll take that.
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I do think what you're saying about, you know, having your cup
of tea and trying to keep calm. I noticed the the senior players
calmed everyone down and the joband the message coming from all
the management do everything thesame because some of us, you're
flapping about and you're wanting to change your route.
Don't change anything. You've been prepping forever,
you know, you route it, just do the same.
And I think it's like just beingable to come back down to
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settling to do your job. And I think that's what everyone
was able to do when all the emotions are flying, when you
get on that pitch, calm your emotions and just do your job.
And the other is having faith inyour players.
I remember for us it was Holly Colvin who was lower batting
order who ended up having to hitthe winning runs.
But you had faith in your players.
We had one shock on that morning.
Nikki Shaw came in for Jenny Gunn, who hadn't played for
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hadn't been in the main lineup, but you had faith in her and she
went and got A4 for four for 34.And so you got faith in your
players. I think the main thing is like
keeping the emotions as focused as you can.
So when that ball is coming to you, when it's your moment,
getting a ball over the line. So yeah, good emotions, which
was a lot of luck and trying to stay focused.
So you won it 2019, a huge part of that senior player, but then
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2022, your captain going to be lifting that World Cup.
Did that feel different? Yeah, they're both really
different. I think the lead in obviously to
2019 started in 2015. It was like the end goal for for
everyone. The 2022, the T20 World Cup
start coming round every two years.
I think we even played one the year before, 20, 21 we did and
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the COVID one in Dubai. So the sort of planning of it
was much shorter. It was almost like when we
arrived we had a 7 match series in Pakistan, then went straight
to Australia, played three matches against them and then
into the World Cup. So that seven matches in
Pakistan was probably the time we got really tight as a group.
There was still some guys who went straight to Australia and
didn't come to Pakistan, but youknow, it was sort of a lockdown
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kind of vibe. Everyone was together.
We played a great series and wonfour, three, which I think you
do want those confidence building series and you want to
know that you can win games of cricket and we played a game at
3 or to win and go 4/3. So a bit of a knockout final
kind of thing. But yeah, being the captain, I
remember just sort of trying to take some like lessons from 2019
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and what things I thought morgues did well.
And I know Ebbs was saying aboutyou can only do the same things
and do your process, which is absolutely right.
Whether it's a World Cup final or Saturday afternoon, you can
only control what you can control.
But obviously things are different on the outside.
And I remember Morgue saying whether it was the day before,
but look around like taking the boardings that say final, like
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it is different. Like as a captain, you're doing
the you're up on the MCG roof, doing the captain's photo with
the trophy. And so it is a bit different and
but it's allowing yourself not to.
I felt don't push that away and be like, oh, it's just another
game. It's not.
But the things I can do are thisare the same as just another
game. And I remember opening the
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curtains, let's say forecast horrendous, expecting it to rain
like bright blue sky, really windy, but like, Oh my God, we
might actually play. So then suddenly, like I think a
lot of us probably took a lot ofthe pressure off was like we
didn't think we were going to play.
It was like games off. It'll be a shared trophy or
something. But then going into that, like
say, the planning had sort of really been that Pakistan,
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Australia after the Ireland game, that moment was that right
now we're into knockout cricket and we'd we played our best
cricket actually then with our backs against the wall and must
win games. We played really well.
Great win against India in the semi final.
And I just thought we we got theluck of the toss.
Great toss to win bowl first bowled really well and we were
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sixty. I think we needed sixty off 10.
Like they bowled really well. And nipped around big time.
I've faced one over off Naseem Shah.
They bowled 5 wides, I played and missed five times and I
scooped A6 like it was the most outrageous over and I just
couldn't edit and they bowled really well.
We played and missed loads of time.
We like, but you just kind of like, I'm awful watch.
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I was terrible watching it. Like what's he doing?
Why is he doing this? Come on score some runs.
But he just had that knack. He was like, he's done it loads
of times. You sort of he'll be there at
the end, it'll all work. And Shane Shah got injured and
he tried Yeah, I remember he tried to bowl and then had to
stop is over and Iftikhar bowledoff spinner and that was the
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over like Stokes, he took down and got us going again.
So like, yeah, it's all down to luck.
It's. All down to luck, but.
Like, no, I just think of those,you know, you need those
players, you need the top players to talk about.
It's maybe unfair to pick up oneperson.
Chris Jordan was brilliant in that World Cup for us, had hard
discussion with him right at thestart, left him out.
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He'd been a key player for that.He just wanted to know why he's
left out and he's like, you know, as soon as we finish this
conversation, I'm right behind you.
I'll be the best team man the whole time we were there and
then Mark Wood got injured, so CJ came in for the semi final,
ended up playing semi final in the final.
He was like one of those guys tothose senior players, keep
everyone calm. He was like, look, if I'm
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playing great if I'm not and youwant to change back.
But Woody was still a was a bit touch and go with injuries with
him and David Milan. But he was someone that I as a
captain was like so grateful forthat.
Like he was there in that momentand even when he wasn't playing
around those other games. You need those those guys who
just know how to and you also, Ithink need the naivety of some
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of the younger players who don'treally they have not been
scarred by anything. You know, they've not got the
they haven't lost a World Cup final before, they haven't been
knocked out and embarrassed or they just think they just see
the upside and everything, whichis nice as well.
So what was the final light for you?
So how did the game pan out? Did you have any of those
moments? Like we've lost it, we've won
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it, What's gonna? Happen.
I mean, I'm the worst person sometimes in your team because
I'm there was a few of us. I was all the younger players at
the time flapping about. Oh my God, you know, you've got
older players like Lottie, Charlotte Edwards and Claire
Taylor telling you shut up, calmdown and focus.
One thing we did have, because we being in Australia and there
was a good crowd and we were up at North Sydney Oval for us as
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well. I remember it was the early days
of when women's cricket came to the ICC.
So we went from having zero crowd crowds and 0 visibility,
no one watching to crowds, full TV cameras, the whole works.
So you did feel like, Oh my God,this is another level.
And it was actually the job was like everyone's saying, but calm
it all down because I know that it feels different, but you've
got to calm it down. And that morning, I just
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remember actually just seeing all the family.
There was one slice of the standand they were the only ones out
with any flags. There was no English flag and
the Aussies weren't feeling. But you did just look to in the
stands to that, that sort of support and it, it, it did kind
of just feel kind of calm everyone down.
I think it really did sort of humble us all.
But the actual game, again, it ended up being a bit of a lower
score than we, we ended up getting New Zealand because of
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how it played out. So I think that gave us a sense
of a bit more confidence. If it was Australia, we would
have gone into that game with a few more nerves because
Australia had been on a long domination of the women's game
for a while. So there was already that
feeling of we've got a chance. But then it came down to the
wiring. Like it wasn't our top order who
got the job done. And it came down to Holly Colvin
sort of middle to lower order. And I just remember us all on
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the bench, this moment of like everyone was holding each
other's hands, like praying, that feeling of like, come on.
And I just remember she just clicked it off her leg and she
just jumped in in the end, you know, that was it.
So I think it was one of those games where it was a bit
scratchy, a bit like your final actually in 2019.
It was a little bit scratchy. It didn't go to plan.
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It wasn't the big Australians wickets where we've been scoring
big runs. It was kind of a game that you
had to just chip away, but having that support, trying to
just not get carried away with the lights of so much more
awareness and media and stuff like that, it was incredible.
So yeah, definitely one of the best days and I think the
celebrations after actually werepretty cool as well.
How did you celebrate? Well, I mean, you always have to
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do a team photo the morning after and they make it in a
horrific time because you've gone out pretty much.
You're not back. You're not back.
And I'd take it. I remember I was that with Isha
and we're in this nightclub and I've got my medal around my my
neck and went Raven to whatever songs and it's gone.
It's had a jagged edge. I don't know why they built the
trophy like but it the middle, but it went in my eye.
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I ended up having like a swolleneye that was all red.
And we're all having to do theselike professional photos the
next morning. Well, when I say the next
morning, we just all rolled straight to the photo and we all
just look an absolute state, like trying to pretend that
you're looking polished. And I had one eye.
So like the photo is just like us just all trying to pull it
together. But I think that that
celebration, I think that is that feeling of being with your
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mates, that you've worked so hard for something and you
you're also being in Australia for us all, like this is the
place that has taken us down foryears and to be there like
Sydney Harbour Bridge, it was just amazing.
So Barbados, our World Cup fight, it was a day game because
of timings with, you know, ICC or whatever.
So I think Collie as captain said we're not doing anything
the next day. But this is after the game.
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Let's, if you want a team pitcher, we're happy to go and
do it after the game. So in our England kit, with our
medals around her neck, we went to the beach and our official
World Cup winning pitcher is with the sun setting on a
Barbados beach with the ocean inthe background.
It's so-called such a nice picture.
That is amazing, but it's also smart that you didn't mean you
could just have fun after Harbour Lights straight in,
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yeah. Run punch Exactly.
Can't remember that. Right, that's it.
That's all I've got. Yeah, I mean, I think Lord's
celebrations were. I get that.
I think the breaking the stump, that pure elation.
I've never felt elation like that for if I could relive 2
minutes of my career running round the field, throwing my
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gloves off, sort of, that was just the most incredible for
you. And then you're in the dressing
room at Lord's, all the familiescome in and, you know, you see
how much it means to all your loved ones and singing songs.
And remember, Mark Wood was quite good at coming up with a
song. We liked our football chants and
we were coming up with a song. We actually the bat I used in
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the final, we wrote the lyrics to the song on that for like
everyone to sing in the dressingroom.
And then we just headed back to the hotel and in the Landmark
there's like a bar downstairs where, you know, you could have
been anywhere in the world and we'd have had the best time
ever. It's just all the players,
family and friends. The next day we had to go to the
Oval actually. You weren't coaching, didn't
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you? For like a kids coaching thing.
And you learn you just like every player is.
As much as we loved it, it's great to go and give back to the
game. That wasn't the time.
I remember seeing pictures of that coaching session going oh.
Yeah, what are they doing? Get your glasses on.
Yeah, I remember Vincey coming out of the toilets at the Oval
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going God, did anyone have the prawns last night?
They have a dodgy tummy, I do. So I have to admit I remember
winning that game and thinking I'll never feel pressure ever
again in cricket. I'm so happy I was just free
will the rest of my career, couldn't care less what happens.
And then like a week later we were into that Ashes series and
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I was scared and nervous. And so I thought this would all
have gone now like now. But it's like it lasts for that
period of time, doesn't it? It's not like it's not forever.
It's like that one day and you know, you live that out and
obviously you can relive it forever and ever, but you know,
you still go back to feeling thesame way and the next game of
cricket that you you play, whichtook me by surprise actually.
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I'm going to make us quite difficult but going to make us
try and pick one factor that we think is the most important for
World Cup winning teams. I'm going to nick the first one
because it's quite a hard question.
I just think your best players performing at that period of
time in the calendar year that World Cup arrives and your
players are in form, they're relaxed.
They're scoring your runs, they're taking your wickets.
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Trevor Baylis is right, your players win you World Cups and
just having key players cruising, relax, playing well,
it takes you so far. Glad you went first.
It's hard to beat that. Isn't it great?
You need top players also that unity because you do face
adversities. Mike Tyson, everyone's got a
plan to get punched in the face and at some point in the World
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Cup that will happen and how youcan react to that moment.
Can you, you know, stay the course and see it through and
not be sort of interrupted and put off by the media and the
narrative that is outside? Can you protect that dressing
room and that feeling that you've got in there, obviously,
which you need great players to do in different ways and you
need a great support, but that sanctuary, can you keep that
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there? When when, when the pressure
moments come on, when the adversity comes, when you lose
the game that you should have won those kind of can you still
stay the course? I think for us in 2019 that that
came, you know, that was built over years, years and years of
playing together for a long period of time and just trusting
in your mate and think, oh, he'sa great player, he's a great
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player, he's good. If he doesn't do it, he'll do
it. And not that you didn't want to
be the one to do it, but it was like, well, if I don't do it,
someone of these guys will. And I thought that kept us
together really, really well. Yeah, fortunately have to go
last and this is quite a. Yeah, well, I feel like you guys
have just taken my Thunder, but it's fine.
But I think that the one thing Ijust say is momentum.
And what I mean by that is it can hit you at 2 points.
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I think in a World Cup, you either get it coming in because
you're on a great run, You've been, you know, winning your
teams, been rebuilding for years, everyone talking about
you and you believe that you've got it, or which we've also had
is you get into tournament, it'sa bit clunky and then you
realize it's a must win and you get that momentum and you just
kind of ride it to the final. And I think whenever that moment
comes, like a good team maximises it and stays with it
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and rolls with it because you have to.
To win in a World Cup is different to bilaterals.
You have to take take that momentum at some stage.
And to do that, you've got to have which you said first that
you stole what I wanted to say, great players, great players.
Yeah, if you want to be a great coach, some great players.
That's all we've got time for this weekend.
Thanks again for joining us. Once again, big question, can
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England win the World Cup? They can, but I think it's going
to be really hard. I'm going to be honest.
I think Australia, India. They're so good in Australia is
so good. Yeah, and if anyone saw the game
recently, Australia scored 410, India got 390.
England are going to. Have to update that game.
That was just recent in there. They're playing a series just
before. Ground like that's a lot.
Why you have to your IPL team? Yeah, what stadium are they
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playing? Yeah, I met about most of it.
Most great place to bat. Can they do it?
They need a bit of luck. Yeah, all you need is a bit of
luck. We need to be fine.
Thanks ebbs. Yeah, best of luck to the
England and I'm sure you can winthat World Cup.
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