December 2, 2024 • 30 mins
Eric Bogumil might have been just 17 when he joined our band, but his journey from garage rehearsals to the stage is nothing short of inspiring. With a little encouragement from friends and perhaps a touch of liquid courage, Eric found his footing in our musical ensemble back in 1987. Together, we revisit those electrifying early gigs, sharing tales of our debut at Duke's Wild Goose Bar and the unforgettable camaraderie of playing for an under-21 audience, all while balancing atop a precarious stage setup.
Managing the dynamics of a band can be as intricate as navigating a marriage, and that’s no exaggeration. We unpack the complexities of maintaining harmony within the group, drawing on personal stories from our time with Threshold. Eric and I reminisce about the importance of communication and the unspoken challenges we faced, from mental health struggles to the courage required to transcend our own limits. Alongside these reflections, we also recount some lighter moments that bring to life the vibrant local music scene we were once a part of.
As we share memories of outrageous stage outfits and makeup mishaps, we also delve into the stories behind our band Deadly Grin and the creation of "Man Made Sin." Our conversation touches on the ever-evolving music industry and the role social media plays in bridging geographical distances for potential collaborations. We conclude by expressing our gratitude to our supporters, whose contributions help us continue this creative journey and keep the spirit of our early music days alive.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to Franklin's Garage to Stage.
My name is Rob WardrumsFranklin and my co-host is Dana
Thunderbase Franklin.
How you doing, man?
Good, good, we've got a specialguest with us today.
I'll introduce him in a minute,but first a couple of
housekeeping things we want todo.
We had a couple of texts withquestions, one from Chattanooga,
(00:25):
tennessee but instead ofaddressing it here, I'm going to
ask that you send us a textwith your e-mail address so that
we can get the information yourequested from us.
And I also want to thank.
We've gotten a couple downloadsfrom overseas and we'd love to
hear from you guys both in theUK and Germany.
So please do text us your emailso we can get a hold of you.
(00:48):
That would be outstandinghearing from you guys.
So now I'm going to introduceour special guest today.
Who are you, man?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
My name is Eric Bogumil.
How's everyone doing out there?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Cool, it's really good to hear from you, man, it's
been a while.
Huh, bogomil, how's everyonedoing out there?
Cool, it's really good to hearfrom you, man, it's been a while
.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Huh, it's been quite a long time, man.
It's been decades.
Where's the time gone?
Yeah, exactly so if you couldgive us a brief description of
how you know us and how did weget together.
Well, let's see.
You guys were my first band,I'm going to guess the year
being probably 86, 87.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Exactly yeah, it was, it was, it was 87.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Was it 87?
Yeah, yeah, I couldn't figure.
I was trying to figure that outthe other day.
I was 17 years old and scared,shitless, and you know I had a
buddy who was in another band,his name was Mark Grover and he
sort of you know.
You know, if it wasn't for himactually really just pushing me
(01:54):
to do it, I don't know if Iwould have actually jumped into
it.
It was, you know, he gave methe confidence to know that you
can do this, you know, and hekind of set me up with a PA and,
um, I was off and running withsome, uh, older guys that could
get we're over 21 and I was 17and I grew up really fast.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, I remember you were.
You were just a pup back then.
But I'll tell you what man.
We were listening to some ofour old material.
For our first couple of timeswe played out which is what this
episode is about is hitting thestage.
But you were our first singerwhen we actually started playing
in bars and we were, like Isaid, we were listening to some
of our old tapes and, dude, youwere amazing.
(02:37):
You sounded excellent.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Thank you, I'd love to hear those.
I haven't heard those in, likeI was saying, probably 40 years.
I mean, I've got one video ofus from years ago but you know
the audio is not great.
Yeah, back then Maybe we canreconnect and listen to some of
that stuff one day.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Of course.
Of course, I do have onequestion for you.
Our previous episodes wereabout basically just starting in
a garage or rehearsal place andgetting a band together.
What do you remember from back?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
in those days of us first getting together, what I
remember is, you know, kind ofjust walking in the room and
everyone looking at me and I waslike OK, now it's time to make
it happen.
And you know I was prettynervous and I was kind of
holding back a little bit.
And then I think it was you,rob, who said come on, man, have
(03:30):
a fucking couple beers.
And after I had a couple beersI loosened right up and started,
you know, hitting some of thosehigh notes that I was always
been famous for, and you know wewere off and running.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, you did an outstanding job.
You know we were off andrunning.
Yeah, you did an outstandingjob.
Hey, dana, refresh our memoriesof how we actually hit the
first bar that we ever played inwith this guy here.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
All right.
Well, we played at this placecalled Duke's Wild Goose Bar.
It was a bar, basically insidethis mall, and there was a
steakhouse that they were kindof affiliated with, and about 9
o'clock they shut it down andthey let bands jam there.
So I knew the bartender thatworked there from a previous job
and I ran into him somewhere atDel Mar's or one of the other
clubs that we were out at, andwe just started catching up and
(04:18):
I mentioned, well, we're gettingthis band together and we'd
like to come, and he's like well, I'm a bartender at this, at
this bar, and we're looking forbands.
So you know, I told him thekind of stuff that we were doing
material we were doing and andhe's like well, let's set you up
.
And there we were.
It's like our first.
I believe it was in january of87 and we we booked a weekend
(04:38):
there and we just, you know, thefunny thing about it is, you
know most of it, like I said,it's a bar and most of our crowd
at the time, um, you know, thefunny thing about it is, you
know most of it, like I said, itwas a bar and most of our crowd
at the time, you know, friendsof ours, friends of Eric's and
stuff, and a lot of them wereunder 21.
So we had probably about 100people that were ready to come
in there and watch us and abouta good 50 or 60 of them got
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turned away at the door.
So that part kind of sucked,but it was a good experience.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Eric, what do you remember about that that show at
the wild goose?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
duke's wild goose bar .
I remember you guys rememberhow small the stage was yeah, up
on top of, up behind the bar wegot.
We had to kind of get up uphigh, kind of up over the, up
over the bar in the one cornerthere, and I remember there
wasn't much place to move aroundfor us, especially with having
(05:32):
five guys up there.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
And do you remember the pics that we took?
Remember we were on the dancefloor and my fiancée at the time
her brother took the picturesof us.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
and what a group we were Older guys, guys, younger
guys I remember I think I stillhave one picture of that, just
you know being on like an oldflyer.
But you know, any otherpictures you have I'd love to.
I better be careful what I wishfor, because what I was wearing
it was you know I just going toaddress that.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
We all kind of looked .
We were all really differentkind of guys, but we all totally
looked different.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, yeah, I was again going back to Mark Grover
who kind of pushed me into it.
You know, I would go over tohis house before we were playing
and he'd let me kind of rummagethrough his wardrobe Because I
didn't have anything.
I didn't anything.
I eventually ended up buyingsome stuff.
I was basically wearing hisclothes.
I had his old PA.
(06:30):
It was pretty wild, that firstshow.
I remember looking up in thecrowd and then he's standing
there.
I'm like, oh my God, my mentor,the guy that I just didn't want
to mess up too bad in front ofhim.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You did excellent, man, but going back a little bit
, After a couple shots ofwhiskey.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I think Rob, again, I think again.
Rob, you helped me outtremendously by telling me to go
take a couple shots of whiskeybeforehand.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Well, I'm glad I could help man.
Hey, going backwards a littlebit.
What do you remember about ourpractices Because we're kind of
going through a thing againwhere we've had some
difficulties with personnel butwhat do you remember about our
practices back then?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I remember we were in a basement somewhere off you
know the Wells area over there.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, yeah, you mean Dana's house.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
You know, and I remember you know, it was a
really cool setup.
I thought for, you know, wedidn't have to have, you know, a
heater like in a storage unit,or you know, we had a pretty
good I thought.
I don't know who lived there,maybe both you guys.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, it was both of us, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, and I remember, geez.
I remember Neil and his curlylocks flying around um.
Who else was in that?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
it was gary bohanan, right right neil schlachter me
and dana and you and then us,yeah.
What impresses me, though, is,uh, the amount of tunes that we
actually learned in such a shortamount of time.
It seems like with bands we'vehad recently, it's it's hard to
get, you know, get throughlearning one set where, back
(08:11):
then, we I think we had withfour or four- or five sets 40
songs oh yeah, that was a lot ofa lot of material.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
a lot of it was, um, you know, some of it was, if you
guys correctly, there were somesongs I refused to do.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I couldn't get oh yeah, I think we all did that.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I couldn't do Johnny Be Good, so, if you remember,
gary had to sing that one yeah.
I think you know, back with myego or whatever you call it, it
wasn't metal enough for me.
It was like I'm not doing thatand now, looking back, I'm like,
hey, asshole, you know, thatwas like the beginning of rock
and roll, so good job not doingthat no-transcript.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
It was amazing, and you never read off notes or
anything like that.
A lot of singers nowadays arelooking at their iPad just to
remember their damn lyrics.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
What helped a lot was a lot of the songs I already
knew.
Some of them I was not toofamiliar with, like Swords and
Tequila by Riot.
I didn't know that one.
I know we did some songs thatwere way out of my vocal range.
Dokken some Scorpions, IronMaiden, Did we do.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
The Trooper yes, we did, yes, we did yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know, I'd like to , if you guys know, send me the
songs we did, because if you sayin 40, I can only remember
maybe 10.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Oh, yeah, oh, we'll definitely do that, we've got
some old set lists laying aroundsomewhere, oh yeah, oh, we'll
definitely do that.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I still got some old set lists laying around
somewhere.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Oh yeah, I'd love to see them.
I can't remember I don't reallyremember I don't think we had
any.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
We didn't have any originals, did we?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
We had one, but me and Rob were just talking about
that.
I still don't remember the nameof it.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I don't even remember how.
Okay.
But also kudos out to you, Eric, because you were the one that
actually got the material to thepeople that published that book
, Reno Rocks, and if it hadn'tbeen for you we wouldn't even
have gotten in that book, and Iwill shoot a picture of that to
our website.
But how did that all come about?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Well, let me think about that.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I might have a copy around here somewhere I've got a
copy of the book.
I was just wondering how youactually got the material to get
us in that book.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Oh yeah, Do you guys have a copy of the book or no?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yes, we do.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Oh you do.
I didn't know if you were ableto obtain one.
Geez.
The guy who put the booktogether his name's Mike Mantor.
Him and his wife, jerry FosterMcCarroll, um have been involved
in the Reno music scene since,you know, way before we were
rocking.
He goes back into like the midfifties, sixties.
Yeah, I saw that a book on thefirst part of the decade called
(11:05):
Rock and Reno.
That was the first one and thisis Rock and Reno 2, the sequel,
and he was putting it together.
He was a friend of mine onFacebook and I saw what he was
doing and we were talking and hesaid any flyers, any
information you have or anybands that you were ever in,
we'd love to put them in there.
So I got a couple differentbands in there, I think.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Cool, yeah, well, we appreciate you doing that,
because we were in a couplebands after that, as you know,
like Monolith, where we playedfor quite a while and of course,
nobody was there to representus.
So I appreciate yourepresenting us with vices back
then.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, and if I would have known about it I would have
definitely had you guys give memore information.
But we kind of had lost contactover the years.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So at that point, well, what else do you remember
about your experience with vices?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Well, let's see, I was 17.
I had Rob.
You gave me your old ID.
I don't know if you rememberthat.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Because you know I couldn't get into the bars.
We were worried.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, I wasn't going to be able to play because I was
so young, so I had your old ID.
I can't remember how old itsaid I was 27 or something.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, I know I'm older, yeah it looked nothing
like me.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Nothing like me, you know.
But here's the funny thing is,nobody ever asked me or
questioned me in the clubs weplayed.
But I was able to use that IDto get into bars moving forward.
So thank you for that Of course.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Well, thank you for singing with us.
Like I said, you wereoutstanding.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, I grew up really quick.
I had an ID that said I washowever old and yeah, let's just
say the girls taught me a lot.
Don't tell the older girls.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
So after Vices, what kind of became of you?
What did you do in Reno?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
A couple things.
I think.
I don't even remember why Ileft the band, but I think it
was to form another band withMike Mello and Eric Alvarez
called Lewd Vagrancy.
I think they're in that book aswell.
I don't know if you've lookedit up under my name, that book
as well.
If you I don't know if you'velooked it up under my name you
know and same old story.
(13:24):
You know drugs, girls the samething.
That ruins every band.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, yeah, we've experienced that quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You know.
So it was just kind ofcontinuously trying to put
together different projects hereand there.
And you know I had some thatwere.
I had a band called thresholdwhere we played quite a bit and,
um, you know, it just neverseemed to, it's so hard to get
four or five people on the samepage.
If only I knew now what I know,then, you know, I think I'd be
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able to facilitate it a lotbetter, and I think I'd be able
to communicate a lot better,because bands are all about
communication.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
You know exactly, exactly, we didn't really.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You know every band I was in, we really never talked
about things that really neededto be talked about, which was,
you know, even stuff like, youknow not to sound too sappy, but
you know mental health, youknow addiction, things, people.
You know we were all goingthrough but nobody ever talked
about it exactly you know what.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
It's a perfect segment from our last episode,
because that's exactly what wetalked about.
It's so hard to get four orfive guys together on the same
page.
It seems like it's harder andharder nowadays.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
When you think about how even everybody compares it
to a marriage, and it's so true.
You know how hard is it toreally get along with your, your
wife, girlfriend, and make arelationship last for longer
than you know, a couple monthsor whatever.
It's the same kind of thing butyou're dealing with four or
five different personalities.
You know different backgrounds,different.
(14:52):
Everyone's got their own ideas,everyone's got their own music
they want to play.
So you know, to collaborate itreally takes.
You know, the communicationpart of it's huge and back then
it was, you know was nevertalked about.
You'd sit down, you'd have aband meeting, but it was never.
(15:13):
You know, usually you know howband meetings go one or two
people did all the talking,right yeah, yeah, the other
people kind of just were,couldn't wait to get it over
with so they could go dowhatever they were doing.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Right and didn't really address the real problems
, just talked about tunes theywere going to do.
Yeah, exactly, we discussedthat in our last episode too, so
I'm glad you're kind ofreinforcing that, dana.
What do you remember from backin the days with Eric?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
You know it's like you said.
I remember, of course, thebasement of our house.
That was the ultimate place topractice, because we'd wake up
and just walk downstairs andstart playing every day.
Then I just remember that,especially that first show, how
(16:03):
nervous and excited that I was,and I'm sure everybody else was.
And you know, once you get thatfirst couple songs down, you
know then the nerves are goneand then you just start kicking
it out.
But, um, yeah, it's.
You know that first band was.
You know, something I'll I'llnever forget.
And you know, I mean you wereway more experienced than me.
You know, of course I thinkgary and neil too I was kind of
there with eric is my first realband.
You know, I mean, you were waymore experienced than me.
And you know, of course, Ithink Gary and Neil too I was
kind of there with Eric.
It was my first real band.
You know, I was nervous as shitand you know I was about a
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tenth of the player that I amnow.
You know it was just startingout, so I was afraid every song
I was going to fuck up andeverybody was going to look at
me like what are you doing?
But Like what are you doing.
But we pulled it off Eric forbeing the newbies in the band.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
We did okay, we did.
Okay, we fake it until you makeit Exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Exactly.
I mean for you it was a littlebit harder because you know
you're the front man and youknow I could hide behind the
guitar sound if I missed a noteor damn even a whole measure.
You'd be like, oh okay, I'lljust slide back in next time,
but uh, it was.
You know it was, it was fun, itwas.
You know.
I recommend it to any youngmusician out there that is maybe
(17:05):
a little hesitant to getsomething going or to go forward
.
It's like you're never going toget better by playing by
yourself at home.
You know, you've, you've got topush your limits to, you know,
and that's that's what you andAdvices did for me is it got me
going and it pushed me, like Isaid, learning 40, 50 songs in a
matter of a couple of months.
You know, now it's like we'retrying to get guys together just
(17:25):
to get past seven or eightsongs.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
It's killing us.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
But it was a good time.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Hey, eric, we have this thing we call special
segment oh shit, oh shit andit's basically saying something
that was either embarrassing orfunny, or something during
either a practice or an episode,or I mean, or during a
performance.
So I'm going to let Dana leadoff with this one, but as he's
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doing that, think aboutsomething that was embarrassing
to you on stage, or fun, or fun,or yeah, just out of the usual
yeah, and mine goes, it's notreally practice or stage related
, it's uh, you know it's.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
It's kind about the relationship part of it which,
um, you know, if anybody's inthe local band scene they know
that.
You know it's a small circleand everybody knows everybody.
And eric, this is kind of thiskind of falls in line with you
and me actually, and rob, we uhwe met at del mar once, which is
the local hangout where all thecool bands played, and we go
there every weekend and party.
(18:30):
And we walked into the frontdoor and and at the at the time
I was like the first time Istarted dating this one girl and
she was working at a littleside stand there selling some
beer, and I walked up there andstarted talking to her and of
course Rob was there and youwalked by and me and Rob were
just I don't know, I forgot whatwe were talking about, and
(18:51):
you're like, hey, it'sFranklin's.
And then this girl looked at mebecause, like I said, we were
just starting to date.
She's like you're one of theFranklins.
So I'm not sure exactly whatyou said to her about us, but
and you'll remember her becauseit's funny, because you actually
went out with her too.
(19:15):
Her name is Joy, and, and thefunny story about that that even
goes even a little bit deeperis that my wife now used to hang
out at your house because herand your sister were really good
friends, and her name is robin.
She used to hang out with yoursister all the time.
I forgot your sister's name.
She said tracy, tracy, yeah,yeah and, and I don't know if
you remember a little girl namedrobin that used to hang out
(19:35):
with your sister, but she's nowmy wife and she's she told me to
tell you hi oh, rob, what's herlast name, or what was her last
?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
it was uh cabinas at the time cabinas yeah too many
to remember, huh I don'tremember her.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
You know, see.
Well, she remembers you.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
So you made an impression well, yeah, you know
I not to sound egotistical, butyou know, all my sister's
friends were like trying to getwith me.
You know, I don't know if shewas so like I purposely just
ignored them all.
I just did not want to haveanything to do with her friends,
(20:16):
or you know it was just weird,but that's cool.
That's a small circle, yeah itreally is.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I'm going to say that again.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
So you and you met Joy there, or you were dating
her.
I didn't understand that part.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, I met Joy at actually this place called
Hooters that I used to work at.
We all know Hooters.
Yeah, and she told me that sheworked at Del Mar.
So I went there to visit herthat one night and I guess you
dated her in the past.
And another funny thing is Joyand robin, my wife.
Now we're actually reallyfriends.
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So it's just a small circle.
Everybody knew everybody in themusic scene and you know, to
make it even smaller is like youknow, robin's brother, kevin,
was in local bands and I knewhim even before.
I knew that he had a sisterthat I ended up marrying.
So it's just a strange smallcircle and and it's not like
that anymore out there.
I mean you know nowadays, youknow it's, it's people just
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don't get.
People don't get out like thatI mean it's.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
It's a whole different world out there now
okay, well, my it's not associal yeah, well, my experience
was actually at this, uh, thisbar.
We were talking about our firstum, first outing with vices, um
, at this wild, what was itcalled dukes?
Yeah well, anyway, we'replaying there and, uh, halfway
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or I guess our first break wetook um, my fiancee at the time
was there and she brought hermother and she was kind of
tucked right around the cornerand I had never met her.
So here here I am, first timeplaying out with spandex on and
a tiger stripe, you know jacketand all this crap, and I'm
introduced to my futuremother-in-law.
So that was a kind of myembarrassing moment at that time
(22:07):
.
We first played out how aboutyou, eric?
What do you got?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
uh, let me think about that.
I think I'm not sure if it wasthe first or second show.
Right Got off stage, you know,went up to the bar feeling good,
feeling like, okay, you know, Ikilled it, sat down with
between a couple of girls andthey're talking to me and I'm
thinking, oh yeah, this is great.
(22:31):
You know all the girls love meand you know all the girls love
me and you know all this stuff.
This is great.
And mid-sentence I can'tremember her name, but you know
she says she goes, wait, wait,wait.
She goes.
Your makeup is running, sweet,and I guess my eyeliner that I
(22:52):
was wearing was running down myface.
She got a napkin and dipped itin some water.
So here I think I'm being thisstud and I think she was
probably older and she'sthinking she's helping out this
little boy because his makeup'srunning.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
It was like, oh my God, oh, that's great Alice
Cooper in the making.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, your makeup is running sweetie.
Like I was this little boy, youknow, it was like I was like
crawling under a rock.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Okay, Well, we have a song that you sent us from one
of your bands after us thatwe're actually going to use for
the pre-, mid and rolloutsegments of this episode.
Is there anything you want totell us about that song and that
band?
I believe it was called.
What was the name of that tune?
You sang man Made Sin.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Man Made Sin.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Can you tell us about that band?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
The name of the band was Deadly Grin.
Same kind of deal Hard to getfour or five people to commit.
So you know, we we weren'ttogether very long, but we did
write quite a few originals thatwere really good, and the song
I sent you is not reallyfinished.
That was just like a recordingfrom a rehearsal.
(24:09):
You remember we used to put theold boom box in the middle of
it.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Well, this was a little different.
You know, we had a.
I think we had a four or aneight track ready to go, I don't
know.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
It actually sounds very, very good.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
But it came out okay for just being a practice.
But you know I hear a lot ofgaffes in there.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Well, we're our own worst critics, that's for sure.
So so what have you been up to,uh, lately?
What's your?
What was your last project?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
it was deadly grin.
That was.
That was the band.
You know.
We still kind of working withthe guitar player.
His name is jeff stewart, umgreat guitar player from the bay
area.
He um, you know, I mentionedthis him.
He said he would be interestedin coming on if you guys would
have him.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Oh, of course.
Yeah, the more musicians thatcome on, the better, because
we're trying to get informationout there for new bands, like
what we experience, what theycan expect to experience, and
basically try to help them out,if we can too, with some of our
experiences.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Well, it's a medical issue, so it's hard for us to
kind of get together too much.
But you know he grew up in theBay Area.
He's a couple years older thanme but you know he was friends
with like all those guys inMetallica Testament.
Like he's got stories, he's gotpictures, you know, with him
and some of these guys from backin the day.
So he was really immersed inthe scene and you know he had a
(25:31):
great band.
I can't remember the name ofthem now but uh, they were kind
of the second wave of the thebay area thrash metal scene okay
, very good um, and they werereally good.
You know, he's kind ofunderrated.
You know a lot, of, a lot ofmusicians that are the best
musicians I've ever heard arenot famous.
Yeah, exactly, exactly theyweren't in the right place at
(25:54):
the right time.
They weren't.
You know, a lot of things haveto go right for you to actually
quote unquote.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Make it, yeah, and with social media.
Now you have to be.
I mean, you have to have amillion hits to even get
listened to Nowadays.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I'm I'm completely oblivious to what goes on with
that sort of thing.
But, yeah, so now you knowwe're still trying to work on
some of these songs that we have, but, uh, it's been hard to get
together and you know, withouta drummer you know it's even
tougher.
I'm trying.
I got, uh, some drum softwarethat I use, but I'm not that
great, no drummer in a box gotany closing things to say.
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Eric, we're just about out oftime here, but I want to say
it's been.
I know it's actually awesome toreconnect with you guys.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I'd like to stay in touch.
Yeah, I mean, there's ways tocollaborate now long distance,
so we might have to throw someideas back and forth at each
other and get something going.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah, I'm game for that If we can figure it out.
I mean, I had another bunch ofguys around the country that I
used to play with that weretalking the same thing.
So you know, I'm up foranything.
And I was in another bandcalled Bulletproof and my old
guitar player is up inWashington and he's trying to
figure something out how we cando something long distance.
But I'd be more than happy totry to get a couple of Vices
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original songs down or somethingthere.
You go.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So for anybody out there listening that's got any
information, for us, that's thebest way to be able to send
files back and forth, to be ableto jam with each other.
We'd appreciate any feedbackyou have.
So, once again, please do textus your emails so that we can
communicate with you, and if youwant to be a guest, please
contact us.
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Dana, do you have any closing?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
statements.
I'd like to thank all thepeople out there that are
contributing to the website andhelping us out financially.
That keeps us going and helpsus get guests and stuff, and
just thanks for all your support.
Appreciate it.
And, eric, thanks again forjoining, for all your support.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Appreciate it.
And, Eric, thanks again forjoining us today as a guest.
It's been a pleasure talking toyou.
I really miss our days ofjamming together because you
were outstanding.
I know we were all prettyexperienced back then, but
listening to the tapes like wewere just doing earlier, me and
Dana- we actually did somepretty good work for our age and
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experience levels.
Awesome.
Thank you guys for having me.
I appreciate it.
Hey, hold on a minute.
We're going to close here.
So once again, everybody,please do text us and we also
have a link on our website tosupport us if you feel the need
to be able to help us out to getmore guests, because software
is not cheap nowadays.
So, thank you everybody.
Have a good night.
Hello and welcome to Franklin's Garage to Stage.
My name is Rob WardrumsFranklin and my co-host is Dana
Thunderbase Franklin.
How you doing, man?
Good, good, we've got a specialguest with us today.
I'll introduce him in a minute,but first a couple of
housekeeping things we want todo.
We had a couple of texts withquestions, one from Chattanooga,
(00:25):
tennessee but instead ofaddressing it here, I'm going to
ask that you send us a textwith your e-mail address so that
we can get the information yourequested from us.
And I also want to thank.
We've gotten a couple downloadsfrom overseas and we'd love to
hear from you guys both in theUK and Germany.
So please do text us your emailso we can get a hold of you.
(00:48):
That would be outstandinghearing from you guys.
So now I'm going to introduceour special guest today.
Who are you, man?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
My name is Eric Bogumil.
How's everyone doing out there?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Cool, it's really good to hear from you, man, it's
been a while.
Huh, bogomil, how's everyonedoing out there?
Cool, it's really good to hearfrom you, man, it's been a while
.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Huh, it's been quite a long time, man.
It's been decades.
Where's the time gone?
Yeah, exactly so if you couldgive us a brief description of
how you know us and how did weget together.
Well, let's see.
You guys were my first band,I'm going to guess the year
being probably 86, 87.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Exactly yeah, it was, it was, it was 87.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Was it 87?
Yeah, yeah, I couldn't figure.
I was trying to figure that outthe other day.
I was 17 years old and scared,shitless, and you know I had a
buddy who was in another band,his name was Mark Grover and he
sort of you know.
You know, if it wasn't for himactually really just pushing me
(01:54):
to do it, I don't know if Iwould have actually jumped into
it.
It was, you know, he gave methe confidence to know that you
can do this, you know, and hekind of set me up with a PA and,
um, I was off and running withsome, uh, older guys that could
get we're over 21 and I was 17and I grew up really fast.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, I remember you were.
You were just a pup back then.
But I'll tell you what man.
We were listening to some ofour old material.
For our first couple of timeswe played out which is what this
episode is about is hitting thestage.
But you were our first singerwhen we actually started playing
in bars and we were, like Isaid, we were listening to some
of our old tapes and, dude, youwere amazing.
(02:37):
You sounded excellent.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Thank you, I'd love to hear those.
I haven't heard those in, likeI was saying, probably 40 years.
I mean, I've got one video ofus from years ago but you know
the audio is not great.
Yeah, back then Maybe we canreconnect and listen to some of
that stuff one day.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Of course.
Of course, I do have onequestion for you.
Our previous episodes wereabout basically just starting in
a garage or rehearsal place andgetting a band together.
What do you remember from back?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
in those days of us first getting together, what I
remember is, you know, kind ofjust walking in the room and
everyone looking at me and I waslike OK, now it's time to make
it happen.
And you know I was prettynervous and I was kind of
holding back a little bit.
And then I think it was you,rob, who said come on, man, have
(03:30):
a fucking couple beers.
And after I had a couple beersI loosened right up and started,
you know, hitting some of thosehigh notes that I was always
been famous for, and you know wewere off and running.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, you did an outstanding job.
You know we were off andrunning.
Yeah, you did an outstandingjob.
Hey, dana, refresh our memoriesof how we actually hit the
first bar that we ever played inwith this guy here.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
All right.
Well, we played at this placecalled Duke's Wild Goose Bar.
It was a bar, basically insidethis mall, and there was a
steakhouse that they were kindof affiliated with, and about 9
o'clock they shut it down andthey let bands jam there.
So I knew the bartender thatworked there from a previous job
and I ran into him somewhere atDel Mar's or one of the other
clubs that we were out at, andwe just started catching up and
(04:18):
I mentioned, well, we're gettingthis band together and we'd
like to come, and he's like well, I'm a bartender at this, at
this bar, and we're looking forbands.
So you know, I told him thekind of stuff that we were doing
material we were doing and andhe's like well, let's set you up
.
And there we were.
It's like our first.
I believe it was in january of87 and we we booked a weekend
(04:38):
there and we just, you know, thefunny thing about it is, you
know most of it, like I said,it's a bar and most of our crowd
at the time, um, you know, thefunny thing about it is, you
know most of it, like I said, itwas a bar and most of our crowd
at the time, you know, friendsof ours, friends of Eric's and
stuff, and a lot of them wereunder 21.
So we had probably about 100people that were ready to come
in there and watch us and abouta good 50 or 60 of them got
(04:59):
turned away at the door.
So that part kind of sucked,but it was a good experience.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Eric, what do you remember about that that show at
the wild goose?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
duke's wild goose bar .
I remember you guys rememberhow small the stage was yeah, up
on top of, up behind the bar wegot.
We had to kind of get up uphigh, kind of up over the, up
over the bar in the one cornerthere, and I remember there
wasn't much place to move aroundfor us, especially with having
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five guys up there.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
And do you remember the pics that we took?
Remember we were on the dancefloor and my fiancée at the time
her brother took the picturesof us.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
and what a group we were Older guys, guys, younger
guys I remember I think I stillhave one picture of that, just
you know being on like an oldflyer.
But you know, any otherpictures you have I'd love to.
I better be careful what I wishfor, because what I was wearing
it was you know I just going toaddress that.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
We all kind of looked .
We were all really differentkind of guys, but we all totally
looked different.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, yeah, I was again going back to Mark Grover
who kind of pushed me into it.
You know, I would go over tohis house before we were playing
and he'd let me kind of rummagethrough his wardrobe Because I
didn't have anything.
I didn't anything.
I eventually ended up buyingsome stuff.
I was basically wearing hisclothes.
I had his old PA.
(06:30):
It was pretty wild, that firstshow.
I remember looking up in thecrowd and then he's standing
there.
I'm like, oh my God, my mentor,the guy that I just didn't want
to mess up too bad in front ofhim.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You did excellent, man, but going back a little bit
, After a couple shots ofwhiskey.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I think Rob, again, I think again.
Rob, you helped me outtremendously by telling me to go
take a couple shots of whiskeybeforehand.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Well, I'm glad I could help man.
Hey, going backwards a littlebit.
What do you remember about ourpractices Because we're kind of
going through a thing againwhere we've had some
difficulties with personnel butwhat do you remember about our
practices back then?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I remember we were in a basement somewhere off you
know the Wells area over there.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, yeah, you mean Dana's house.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
You know, and I remember you know, it was a
really cool setup.
I thought for, you know, wedidn't have to have, you know, a
heater like in a storage unit,or you know, we had a pretty
good I thought.
I don't know who lived there,maybe both you guys.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, it was both of us, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, and I remember, geez.
I remember Neil and his curlylocks flying around um.
Who else was in that?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
it was gary bohanan, right right neil schlachter me
and dana and you and then us,yeah.
What impresses me, though, is,uh, the amount of tunes that we
actually learned in such a shortamount of time.
It seems like with bands we'vehad recently, it's it's hard to
get, you know, get throughlearning one set where, back
(08:11):
then, we I think we had withfour or four- or five sets 40
songs oh yeah, that was a lot ofa lot of material.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
a lot of it was, um, you know, some of it was, if you
guys correctly, there were somesongs I refused to do.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I couldn't get oh yeah, I think we all did that.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I couldn't do Johnny Be Good, so, if you remember,
gary had to sing that one yeah.
I think you know, back with myego or whatever you call it, it
wasn't metal enough for me.
It was like I'm not doing thatand now, looking back, I'm like,
hey, asshole, you know, thatwas like the beginning of rock
and roll, so good job not doingthat no-transcript.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
It was amazing, and you never read off notes or
anything like that.
A lot of singers nowadays arelooking at their iPad just to
remember their damn lyrics.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
What helped a lot was a lot of the songs I already
knew.
Some of them I was not toofamiliar with, like Swords and
Tequila by Riot.
I didn't know that one.
I know we did some songs thatwere way out of my vocal range.
Dokken some Scorpions, IronMaiden, Did we do.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
The Trooper yes, we did, yes, we did yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know, I'd like to , if you guys know, send me the
songs we did, because if you sayin 40, I can only remember
maybe 10.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Oh, yeah, oh, we'll definitely do that, we've got
some old set lists laying aroundsomewhere, oh yeah, oh, we'll
definitely do that.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I still got some old set lists laying around
somewhere.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Oh yeah, I'd love to see them.
I can't remember I don't reallyremember I don't think we had
any.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
We didn't have any originals, did we?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
We had one, but me and Rob were just talking about
that.
I still don't remember the nameof it.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I don't even remember how.
Okay.
But also kudos out to you, Eric, because you were the one that
actually got the material to thepeople that published that book
, Reno Rocks, and if it hadn'tbeen for you we wouldn't even
have gotten in that book, and Iwill shoot a picture of that to
our website.
But how did that all come about?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Well, let me think about that.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I might have a copy around here somewhere I've got a
copy of the book.
I was just wondering how youactually got the material to get
us in that book.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Oh yeah, Do you guys have a copy of the book or no?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yes, we do.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Oh you do.
I didn't know if you were ableto obtain one.
Geez.
The guy who put the booktogether his name's Mike Mantor.
Him and his wife, jerry FosterMcCarroll, um have been involved
in the Reno music scene since,you know, way before we were
rocking.
He goes back into like the midfifties, sixties.
Yeah, I saw that a book on thefirst part of the decade called
(11:05):
Rock and Reno.
That was the first one and thisis Rock and Reno 2, the sequel,
and he was putting it together.
He was a friend of mine onFacebook and I saw what he was
doing and we were talking and hesaid any flyers, any
information you have or anybands that you were ever in,
we'd love to put them in there.
So I got a couple differentbands in there, I think.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Cool, yeah, well, we appreciate you doing that,
because we were in a couplebands after that, as you know,
like Monolith, where we playedfor quite a while and of course,
nobody was there to representus.
So I appreciate yourepresenting us with vices back
then.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, and if I would have known about it I would have
definitely had you guys give memore information.
But we kind of had lost contactover the years.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So at that point, well, what else do you remember
about your experience with vices?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Well, let's see, I was 17.
I had Rob.
You gave me your old ID.
I don't know if you rememberthat.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Because you know I couldn't get into the bars.
We were worried.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, I wasn't going to be able to play because I was
so young, so I had your old ID.
I can't remember how old itsaid I was 27 or something.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, I know I'm older, yeah it looked nothing
like me.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Nothing like me, you know.
But here's the funny thing is,nobody ever asked me or
questioned me in the clubs weplayed.
But I was able to use that IDto get into bars moving forward.
So thank you for that Of course.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Well, thank you for singing with us.
Like I said, you wereoutstanding.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, I grew up really quick.
I had an ID that said I washowever old and yeah, let's just
say the girls taught me a lot.
Don't tell the older girls.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
So after Vices, what kind of became of you?
What did you do in Reno?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
A couple things.
I think.
I don't even remember why Ileft the band, but I think it
was to form another band withMike Mello and Eric Alvarez
called Lewd Vagrancy.
I think they're in that book aswell.
I don't know if you've lookedit up under my name, that book
as well.
If you I don't know if you'velooked it up under my name you
know and same old story.
(13:24):
You know drugs, girls the samething.
That ruins every band.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, yeah, we've experienced that quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You know.
So it was just kind ofcontinuously trying to put
together different projects hereand there.
And you know I had some thatwere.
I had a band called thresholdwhere we played quite a bit and,
um, you know, it just neverseemed to, it's so hard to get
four or five people on the samepage.
If only I knew now what I know,then, you know, I think I'd be
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able to facilitate it a lotbetter, and I think I'd be able
to communicate a lot better,because bands are all about
communication.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
You know exactly, exactly, we didn't really.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You know every band I was in, we really never talked
about things that really neededto be talked about, which was,
you know, even stuff like, youknow not to sound too sappy, but
you know mental health, youknow addiction, things, people.
You know we were all goingthrough but nobody ever talked
about it exactly you know what.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
It's a perfect segment from our last episode,
because that's exactly what wetalked about.
It's so hard to get four orfive guys together on the same
page.
It seems like it's harder andharder nowadays.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
When you think about how even everybody compares it
to a marriage, and it's so true.
You know how hard is it toreally get along with your, your
wife, girlfriend, and make arelationship last for longer
than you know, a couple monthsor whatever.
It's the same kind of thing butyou're dealing with four or
five different personalities.
You know different backgrounds,different.
(14:52):
Everyone's got their own ideas,everyone's got their own music
they want to play.
So you know, to collaborate itreally takes.
You know, the communicationpart of it's huge and back then
it was, you know was nevertalked about.
You'd sit down, you'd have aband meeting, but it was never.
(15:13):
You know, usually you know howband meetings go one or two
people did all the talking,right yeah, yeah, the other
people kind of just were,couldn't wait to get it over
with so they could go dowhatever they were doing.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Right and didn't really address the real problems
, just talked about tunes theywere going to do.
Yeah, exactly, we discussedthat in our last episode too, so
I'm glad you're kind ofreinforcing that, dana.
What do you remember from backin the days with Eric?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
You know it's like you said.
I remember, of course, thebasement of our house.
That was the ultimate place topractice, because we'd wake up
and just walk downstairs andstart playing every day.
Then I just remember that,especially that first show, how
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nervous and excited that I was,and I'm sure everybody else was.
And you know, once you get thatfirst couple songs down, you
know then the nerves are goneand then you just start kicking
it out.
But, um, yeah, it's.
You know that first band was.
You know, something I'll I'llnever forget.
And you know, I mean you wereway more experienced than me.
You know, of course I thinkgary and neil too I was kind of
there with eric is my first realband.
You know, I mean, you were waymore experienced than me.
And you know, of course, Ithink Gary and Neil too I was
kind of there with Eric.
It was my first real band.
You know, I was nervous as shitand you know I was about a
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tenth of the player that I amnow.
You know it was just startingout, so I was afraid every song
I was going to fuck up andeverybody was going to look at
me like what are you doing?
But Like what are you doing.
But we pulled it off Eric forbeing the newbies in the band.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
We did okay, we did.
Okay, we fake it until you makeit Exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Exactly.
I mean for you it was a littlebit harder because you know
you're the front man and youknow I could hide behind the
guitar sound if I missed a noteor damn even a whole measure.
You'd be like, oh okay, I'lljust slide back in next time,
but uh, it was.
You know it was, it was fun, itwas.
You know.
I recommend it to any youngmusician out there that is maybe
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a little hesitant to getsomething going or to go forward
.
It's like you're never going toget better by playing by
yourself at home.
You know, you've, you've got topush your limits to, you know,
and that's that's what you andAdvices did for me is it got me
going and it pushed me, like Isaid, learning 40, 50 songs in a
matter of a couple of months.
You know, now it's like we'retrying to get guys together just
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to get past seven or eightsongs.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
It's killing us.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
But it was a good time.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Hey, eric, we have this thing we call special
segment oh shit, oh shit andit's basically saying something
that was either embarrassing orfunny, or something during
either a practice or an episode,or I mean, or during a
performance.
So I'm going to let Dana leadoff with this one, but as he's
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doing that, think aboutsomething that was embarrassing
to you on stage, or fun, or fun,or yeah, just out of the usual
yeah, and mine goes, it's notreally practice or stage related
, it's uh, you know it's.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
It's kind about the relationship part of it which,
um, you know, if anybody's inthe local band scene they know
that.
You know it's a small circleand everybody knows everybody.
And eric, this is kind of thiskind of falls in line with you
and me actually, and rob, we uhwe met at del mar once, which is
the local hangout where all thecool bands played, and we go
there every weekend and party.
(18:30):
And we walked into the frontdoor and and at the at the time
I was like the first time Istarted dating this one girl and
she was working at a littleside stand there selling some
beer, and I walked up there andstarted talking to her and of
course Rob was there and youwalked by and me and Rob were
just I don't know, I forgot whatwe were talking about, and
(18:51):
you're like, hey, it'sFranklin's.
And then this girl looked at mebecause, like I said, we were
just starting to date.
She's like you're one of theFranklins.
So I'm not sure exactly whatyou said to her about us, but
and you'll remember her becauseit's funny, because you actually
went out with her too.
(19:15):
Her name is Joy, and, and thefunny story about that that even
goes even a little bit deeperis that my wife now used to hang
out at your house because herand your sister were really good
friends, and her name is robin.
She used to hang out with yoursister all the time.
I forgot your sister's name.
She said tracy, tracy, yeah,yeah and, and I don't know if
you remember a little girl namedrobin that used to hang out
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with your sister, but she's nowmy wife and she's she told me to
tell you hi oh, rob, what's herlast name, or what was her last
?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
it was uh cabinas at the time cabinas yeah too many
to remember, huh I don'tremember her.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
You know, see.
Well, she remembers you.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
So you made an impression well, yeah, you know
I not to sound egotistical, butyou know, all my sister's
friends were like trying to getwith me.
You know, I don't know if shewas so like I purposely just
ignored them all.
I just did not want to haveanything to do with her friends,
(20:16):
or you know it was just weird,but that's cool.
That's a small circle, yeah itreally is.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I'm going to say that again.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
So you and you met Joy there, or you were dating
her.
I didn't understand that part.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, I met Joy at actually this place called
Hooters that I used to work at.
We all know Hooters.
Yeah, and she told me that sheworked at Del Mar.
So I went there to visit herthat one night and I guess you
dated her in the past.
And another funny thing is Joyand robin, my wife.
Now we're actually reallyfriends.
(20:56):
So it's just a small circle.
Everybody knew everybody in themusic scene and you know, to
make it even smaller is like youknow, robin's brother, kevin,
was in local bands and I knewhim even before.
I knew that he had a sisterthat I ended up marrying.
So it's just a strange smallcircle and and it's not like
that anymore out there.
I mean you know nowadays, youknow it's, it's people just
(21:20):
don't get.
People don't get out like thatI mean it's.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
It's a whole different world out there now
okay, well, my it's not associal yeah, well, my experience
was actually at this, uh, thisbar.
We were talking about our firstum, first outing with vices, um
, at this wild, what was itcalled dukes?
Yeah well, anyway, we'replaying there and, uh, halfway
(21:43):
or I guess our first break wetook um, my fiancee at the time
was there and she brought hermother and she was kind of
tucked right around the cornerand I had never met her.
So here here I am, first timeplaying out with spandex on and
a tiger stripe, you know jacketand all this crap, and I'm
introduced to my futuremother-in-law.
So that was a kind of myembarrassing moment at that time
(22:07):
.
We first played out how aboutyou, eric?
What do you got?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
uh, let me think about that.
I think I'm not sure if it wasthe first or second show.
Right Got off stage, you know,went up to the bar feeling good,
feeling like, okay, you know, Ikilled it, sat down with
between a couple of girls andthey're talking to me and I'm
thinking, oh yeah, this is great.
(22:31):
You know all the girls love meand you know all the girls love
me and you know all this stuff.
This is great.
And mid-sentence I can'tremember her name, but you know
she says she goes, wait, wait,wait.
She goes.
Your makeup is running, sweet,and I guess my eyeliner that I
(22:52):
was wearing was running down myface.
She got a napkin and dipped itin some water.
So here I think I'm being thisstud and I think she was
probably older and she'sthinking she's helping out this
little boy because his makeup'srunning.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
It was like, oh my God, oh, that's great Alice
Cooper in the making.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, your makeup is running sweetie.
Like I was this little boy, youknow, it was like I was like
crawling under a rock.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Okay, Well, we have a song that you sent us from one
of your bands after us thatwe're actually going to use for
the pre-, mid and rolloutsegments of this episode.
Is there anything you want totell us about that song and that
band?
I believe it was called.
What was the name of that tune?
You sang man Made Sin.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Man Made Sin.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Can you tell us about that band?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
The name of the band was Deadly Grin.
Same kind of deal Hard to getfour or five people to commit.
So you know, we we weren'ttogether very long, but we did
write quite a few originals thatwere really good, and the song
I sent you is not reallyfinished.
That was just like a recordingfrom a rehearsal.
(24:09):
You remember we used to put theold boom box in the middle of
it.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Well, this was a little different.
You know, we had a.
I think we had a four or aneight track ready to go, I don't
know.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
It actually sounds very, very good.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
But it came out okay for just being a practice.
But you know I hear a lot ofgaffes in there.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Well, we're our own worst critics, that's for sure.
So so what have you been up to,uh, lately?
What's your?
What was your last project?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
it was deadly grin.
That was.
That was the band.
You know.
We still kind of working withthe guitar player.
His name is jeff stewart, umgreat guitar player from the bay
area.
He um, you know, I mentionedthis him.
He said he would be interestedin coming on if you guys would
have him.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Oh, of course.
Yeah, the more musicians thatcome on, the better, because
we're trying to get informationout there for new bands, like
what we experience, what theycan expect to experience, and
basically try to help them out,if we can too, with some of our
experiences.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Well, it's a medical issue, so it's hard for us to
kind of get together too much.
But you know he grew up in theBay Area.
He's a couple years older thanme but you know he was friends
with like all those guys inMetallica Testament.
Like he's got stories, he's gotpictures, you know, with him
and some of these guys from backin the day.
So he was really immersed inthe scene and you know he had a
(25:31):
great band.
I can't remember the name ofthem now but uh, they were kind
of the second wave of the thebay area thrash metal scene okay
, very good um, and they werereally good.
You know, he's kind ofunderrated.
You know a lot, of, a lot ofmusicians that are the best
musicians I've ever heard arenot famous.
Yeah, exactly, exactly theyweren't in the right place at
(25:54):
the right time.
They weren't.
You know, a lot of things haveto go right for you to actually
quote unquote.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Make it, yeah, and with social media.
Now you have to be.
I mean, you have to have amillion hits to even get
listened to Nowadays.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I'm I'm completely oblivious to what goes on with
that sort of thing.
But, yeah, so now you knowwe're still trying to work on
some of these songs that we have, but, uh, it's been hard to get
together and you know, withouta drummer you know it's even
tougher.
I'm trying.
I got, uh, some drum softwarethat I use, but I'm not that
great, no drummer in a box gotany closing things to say.
(26:36):
Eric, we're just about out oftime here, but I want to say
it's been.
I know it's actually awesome toreconnect with you guys.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I'd like to stay in touch.
Yeah, I mean, there's ways tocollaborate now long distance,
so we might have to throw someideas back and forth at each
other and get something going.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah, I'm game for that If we can figure it out.
I mean, I had another bunch ofguys around the country that I
used to play with that weretalking the same thing.
So you know, I'm up foranything.
And I was in another bandcalled Bulletproof and my old
guitar player is up inWashington and he's trying to
figure something out how we cando something long distance.
But I'd be more than happy totry to get a couple of Vices
(27:13):
original songs down or somethingthere.
You go.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So for anybody out there listening that's got any
information, for us, that's thebest way to be able to send
files back and forth, to be ableto jam with each other.
We'd appreciate any feedbackyou have.
So, once again, please do textus your emails so that we can
communicate with you, and if youwant to be a guest, please
contact us.
(27:36):
Dana, do you have any closing?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
statements.
I'd like to thank all thepeople out there that are
contributing to the website andhelping us out financially.
That keeps us going and helpsus get guests and stuff, and
just thanks for all your support.
Appreciate it.
And, eric, thanks again forjoining, for all your support.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Appreciate it.
And, Eric, thanks again forjoining us today as a guest.
It's been a pleasure talking toyou.
I really miss our days ofjamming together because you
were outstanding.
I know we were all prettyexperienced back then, but
listening to the tapes like wewere just doing earlier, me and
Dana- we actually did somepretty good work for our age and
(28:16):
experience levels.
Awesome.
Thank you guys for having me.
I appreciate it.
Hey, hold on a minute.
We're going to close here.
So once again, everybody,please do text us and we also
have a link on our website tosupport us if you feel the need
to be able to help us out to getmore guests, because software
is not cheap nowadays.
So, thank you everybody.
Have a good night.
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