March 11, 2025 • 28 mins
Rob and Dana explore the magical moment when musicians stop playing notes and start feeling the music, sharing their recent band practice experience where everything finally clicked. They discuss how finding the right bandmates creates chemistry that transforms practices from work to pure enjoyment.
• Update on their new project and recent lineup changes
• Reflections on interviews with Robin Brumfield and Nile Atway from GrassFit Music
• Discussion about the challenges of modern music genre classifications
• Tips for new bands on member selection and maintaining a positive practice mindset
• "Oh Shit" segment featuring embarrassing live performance stories
• Importance of feeling rather than overthinking your parts when playing
• Announcement of upcoming guest "Quiet Son" and future podcast appearance
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, welcome to Franklin's Garage to Stage
podcast.
My name is Rob WardrumsFranklin, and my co-host here is
Dana Thunderbase Franklin.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
How you doing, man.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm doing really well , really well.
Hey, a couple things we need todiscuss today.
First of all, I wanted to talkabout our last couple of guests
we've had.
But first of all, I want to saythanks for all the new
listeners and, uh, and thecontinued listeners, uh, we
really appreciate it.
It's grown quite a bit.
Uh, we are still asking forsupport because we do this all
(00:33):
ourselves and we don't have anyadvertisers or anything like
that, so any kind of supportwould be appreciated and there's
a link for that on our websiteand also the podcast.
Uh, and for that on our websiteand also the podcast.
And if you're willing to be aguest, please do send us your
contact information.
We're willing to put on yourMP3s, pump your band.
If you're a solo artist,whatever information you've got
(00:55):
out there.
And, yeah, just text us andwe'll get you on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Dana, what do you got to say today?
Well, you know pretty much thesame as you.
I'd like to.
You know, definitelyappreciation for everybody that
is listening and passing theword on.
It's like you know we've got,you know, over 6,000 hits now
and you know a bunch ofdifferent countries and cities.
I think we've hit almost everystate in the United States.
There's a couple out there inNorth Dakota, south Dakota, I
(01:26):
think.
Dakota's in like Wyoming.
Get us up, guys.
I think you're one of the lastfew states we haven't been in.
Yeah, we do all this on our own.
So any support, you know simple, three, four bucks a month is
all you know.
If you can contribute that cupof coffee, and you know it would
help us out tremendously.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Oh yeah, and it doesn't even have to be monthly.
I mean you could do a one-timething and, just, you know,
cancel it.
So I mean any support would beappreciated.
Like I said, we do this allourselves, so you know we're
spending the money ourselves todo this, but you know we
appreciate even just you'relistening.
So thank you very much for that.
Wanted to talk about our lastcouple of guests.
We've had a couple of reallycool guests.
(02:06):
The first one was what the heckwas I going to have Robin
Brumfield I wanted to sayBlumfield, but it's Brumfield.
He was a solo artist and also aproducer at GrassFit Music.
Real intelligent guy.
Had a really good conversationwith him.
And then our last guest was onnile atway.
(02:27):
Uh, he was the c, he's the ceoof grass fit music and he had
some great insight for, like,new bands and what they should
do as far as management andsocial medias and all that.
It was, uh, really, reallyinteresting.
I had learned a lot from bothof these guys really.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, that was really cool to talk to him and hear
from him.
After getting done listening tohim, I felt inspired to go out
and do even more stuff than whatwe're doing now.
It's really some really goodinfo.
Yeah, that Robin guy, he wasvery well educated, you can tell
, and knew his craft very well.
And we had some other guestsback, you know last month and
the month before.
Uh, you know ex band membersand some family members and,
(03:16):
yeah, it's good.
It's good listening toeverybody and getting their
insights on.
You know what they're seeingout there in the music world
today and different.
You know different parts of thearea.
You know a lot of it's on theWest.
Some of them are on the Westcoast and we're here in the East
coast, so it's kind of cool tosee the different varieties in
the different areas.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah Well, Nate, you know, like I said, they the Nile
guy.
He was extremely passionate.
So you, I mean, if that youwant to hook up with management,
I would strongly suggest givinghim a call or contact him
because, like I said, he justcame across as real passionate
about what he's into and gettingbands promoted.
I thought that was really cool.
I learned a lot.
I never knew there was a genrecalled bedroom pop.
(03:56):
I mean, there's so manythousands of genres out there.
That's one I'd never even heardof before.
So when he said that, I waslike, huh, Bedroom pop, what the
hell is that?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
yeah, that was a new one for me too.
There are some strange, strangesub genres out there, it's like
, I mean, whatever kind of musicyou play, if there's not a name
for it, somebody will come upwith one for you speaking of
genres, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I kind of I kind of really don't like the whole idea
of having like for rock.
There's like 20 or more genresof rock.
I think you kind of likepigeonhole yourself into like a
certain group of listeners.
That's the thing I don't likeabout having so many thousands
of genres out there.
You know what I mean.
It seems like it kind of limitsyour audience.
(04:42):
You're trying to appeal tosomebody's only listening for
like classic rock.
You may have some cool originalshit out there and I'll never
hear it because they want tohear classic rock and you know,
and vice versa.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
So that kind of shit, you know it's confusing yeah,
yeah, it's like you know whenyou start out a new band
nowadays, it's like you know ifyou want to try to advertise
yourself, or you know, say whatkind of music you're playing for
you know, at certain clubs,like where y'all would do this.
Like you know, if you want totry to advertise yourself, or
you know, say what kind of musicyou're playing for you know at
certain clubs, like where youknow we do this.
Like you know, it's like yousaid, you know, do you limit
yourself by saying we're a deathneo-punk band?
(05:14):
or you know whatever some ofthese crazy names are.
It's like I mean, if I hearjust rock or metal, then I'll,
you know, I'll probably check itout because you know it's both
the genres that I like.
But it doesn't limit it.
You know, it's not a deathmetal or a stream, or you know,
so you're not.
You know, if you're not intostream then you're going to go
there and you're going to walkright back out.
But if you know ahead of time,you know, I don't know, it's too
(05:38):
, too intricate, I thinknowadays.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
It is.
It really is.
Also, I think, today wepromised in the last couple
episodes we're going to updateyou on our progress as well.
We kind of really haven't donethat.
So, as you know, as we've saidin previous episodes, we started
a new project a few months backand we've gone through some
lineup changes and I think we'vefinally gotten to the point
(06:03):
where we're with members wereally want to commit ourselves
to.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
you know, definitely it's.
You know, when we first, uh,when you first moved out here
and we got this going again, yes, some of the ones we had there
in the beginning were, um, youknow nothing against talent,
because everybody that we'vebeen with their talent, it's
just you know differentattitudes or different,
different styles of music.
So you know it takes the, ittakes the right.
(06:33):
You know, as we've said in manyof our you know podcasts
previously, it's you've got togo through all the steps to you
know to make sure you're gettingthe right people that you want
it's.
You know it's not justmusically anymore, it's like
we've said we're.
You know so it's a family andyou all have to gel and and get
along and put up with the goodsand bads of everybody.
Yeah, and unfortunatelysometimes it takes time.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I mean really, sometimes it just takes time.
You're really not going to knowin one or two practices.
Sometimes it takes multiplepractices to say, okay, you know
what.
It started off really good, butthis shit just ain't working,
no more.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, yeah, we've had some guys that I mean they're
talented, but it's like you know, just attitudes are a little
bit different and you know they.
You know either they want tocontrol the whole project or
control certain people and driveback and go.
No, I want this and I want that.
And you know we've always beenone of those kind of bands where
(07:31):
it's, you know, more of ademocracy Everybody's got a
voice.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And we're not into the, the self-leader.
Yeah, well, one thing I kind ofwanted to discuss too is, uh,
we've gotten to that point whereevery band well, hopefully
every band gets to where themembers are starting to feel the
music rather than play theparts, if you know what I mean.
Because once you start feelingthe music not not thinking about
your parts it's just like alightning goes off in your head.
It's like, oh, this is fuckingsick and I experienced that last
(08:04):
night.
So I was really happy lastnight.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, my practice last night was really good.
I was like all the way home andit's like a 45-minute drive
from me, so all the way home Iwas just like pumped.
I was just listening to thekind of music that we play and
other bands like us I keptthinking about our practice and
how everybody was really gettinginto it and moving around for
(08:31):
the little bit of space that wegot.
But you can tell that it wentfrom just a couple of guys
getting together and saying, hey, is this going to work out?
Or just jamming to all of asudden people like you know.
It's almost like a stagefeeling.
It's like everybody's ready tojump on stage and get in front
of a crowd and go crazy.
And that's what I felt lastnight.
The energy is just fuckingamazing.
(08:51):
I'm still excited about it.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, the energy.
It was just fucking amazing.
I'm still excited about it.
Yeah, me too, and you know thishappened to me.
You know, in almost every bandI've been, and sometimes it
happens sooner and later.
But you can tell wheneverybody's actually starting to
feel it instead of just like,okay, one, two, three, four, you
know, counting it out or youknow, knowing their parts.
They're actually feeling itinstead of thinking, and I just
love that feeling it to me.
I've had better practices inlive shows, just because when
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you get that feeling you justcan't, you can't, you know,
repeat it.
It's just, it's just, oh, Ilove it.
It's another way to describe ityeah, yeah, it's like, yeah,
it's.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know, it's like you're thinking the best drug
that's out there and it's 10times that oh, yeah, yeah let's
see why these um.
But yeah, going back to thepractice is like you know.
This is only the second timeactually with all the members
practicing been together and andeven with the ending of some of
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the songs that we've onlyplayed once or twice together,
where you know some of them gotreally tight and otherwise we're
still trying to figure out howwe want to end it and we'd look
at each other and it's just kindof always happened and then you
as a drummer you know, you'dfuck with us and kind of hold
that last hit for a little bitand it was like not only was it
a great practice musically, buteven just all along it was just
(10:10):
a lot.
It wasn't, it wasn't like work,it was fun.
Yeah, exactly I mean I lovepracticing anyway, but it was,
yeah, it was, it was awesome itwas, it was and, like you said,
I mean you can't.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
You can't capture that effect with drug drugs.
I mean it's just, it's justsick.
I mean that's that's why weplay instruments for that
feeling.
Okay, dana, uh, I wanted totell our listeners as well.
Uh, we have a.
Our next episode is going to bewith a uh guest.
His name is, he goes by thename quiet son.
(10:42):
He's a producer and also arecording engineer.
So I'm really looking forwardto that because I don't know, I
don't know shit about that and Iwant to, I want to hopefully
get some tips from him on, youknow, mixes and shit like that,
because I mean, that's, that's,that's huge, you know, in
recording and actually playinglive, or they're just even
(11:03):
practice.
So I'm really looking forwardto getting some information from
him.
And then we're also going to bewe're not quite sure the date
yet, but we're going to be onanother podcast.
It's called on stage um.
As soon as we have moreinformation about that or a copy
of that, we'll make sure thatthat's linked on our website and
podcast as well.
Okay, dana, I think it's abouttime for that, what we call oh
(11:29):
shit, it is all right, this iswhere we it's been a few
episodes, yeah it has.
This is basically where we talkabout something that's either
embarrassing or something thathappened during either a live
show, or before or after a show,or even at a practice, where
something just didn't go asplanned.
So let's start with you.
(11:50):
What do you got today?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Okay, all right.
Well, mine, um, mine goes fromuh when we had our very first
live show with our original band, um manalith, you know.
Before, of course, we did abunch of you know cover bands
and stuff and then we finallyprogressed to just doing what
(12:11):
our originals and we got youknow good band together and it
was we were fucking killing itand this was our first live show
.
So we're all excited and allpumped and ready to do it.
We played at this place calledEasy Street in Reno, nevada, and
we were fortunate enough towhere this place actually had a
backstage area where we can, youknow, dress up for the show.
(12:33):
And you know, we set everythingup on stage and then went back
and, you know, got our stageclothes on, whatever and, you
know, did final tuning and stufflike that.
Well, you know, at the time thisis my very first uh show that I
was playing with this brand newwireless transmitter I had, and
you know, of course I was usingthis, you know, at practice and
all the stuff leading up to theshow.
(12:53):
And this goes back to one ofthose times we talked about one
of our episodes, like be fuckingprepared, because getting ready
to go up on stage, turneverything on and I noticed my
light blinking on my wirelesstransmitter on my my end of it.
I'm like, holy shit, you know,everybody knows what that
blinking light means meansyou're getting ready to cut out
(13:19):
or you're already out.
So thank God, I had an extra9-volt battery back there to
plug in real quick, because Idelayed us 5 or 10 minutes of
getting on stage.
And wow, I was sweating, I wasfucking burning.
Of course I was nervous, as itwas, because this is our first
show with this set up, so we hada huge crowd there.
So, I wanted to, um, you know,want to make sure everything was
right and it was.
(13:39):
It was fucking scary that wouldbe.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Hey, it probably helped in the long run.
You know that anticipation.
You know it came out a littlebit later, so people are
probably okay getting into itbecause we have some background
music going, I'm sure so oh,yeah, definitely well, mine's.
Uh, it was kind of a actually ascary moment in, in a kind of a
funny way.
Um, this is, I was playing inthis band unfortunately you
(14:03):
weren't in this band and thiswas in sacramento and we were
playing at this club and I hadinvited I was separated at the
time and I had was going outwith a couple different chicks
and I invited one to the showand then you know, we're, we're
playing.
I noticed like halfway throughthe set she shows up, but then
towards the end of the set, ohshit, who comes through the
front door?
(14:23):
My other girlfriend and I wasgoing out with the time and they
didn't know each other.
But then during the show, likejust probably like second set in
, I noticed they both went intothe bathroom at the same time
and I was just fucking sweatingbullets.
So it's just kind of one ofthose things where be careful
who you invite to your show.
(14:44):
But that was just kind of funnyand I was nervous because I
didn't know how the night wasgoing to end up.
And it ended up being prettywell, I mean, there was no
fights or nothing.
So it was just one of thosefunny moments.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Oh, you got lucky with that one All right.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
uh, what else you got for us today, dennis?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
well, you know, I think, on our last, actually
last couple episodes, you know,talking with those other guys
that you know they're both from,uh, the la area, I believe, and
they were talking about thelocal, not even local, but just
the music scene in general now,and it was interesting to hear
what they were saying.
As far as, like you know, Ithink one of the questions you
(15:26):
even asked that night was youknow, is rock music even a thing
out there anymore?
Because it's just, you know,you just don't hear as much as
you know the pop and all the youknow, you just don't hear as
much as you know the pop and allthe you know, hip-hop and the
stuff that's really country.
You know all the other stuffthat kind of seems to be taking
over, I guess, per se, but tohear Nile say, no, it's really
(15:47):
strong out there, I think socialmedia just makes everything so
different nowadays.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
You know it's just yeah, it's changing the whole
environment.
You know good and bad.
You just gotta get to pointswhere you're not afraid to use
it.
And I think us, being a littlebit older, we're not afraid,
we're just not familiar with it.
It's like, okay, well, what thehell do we gotta do to get out
there?
So we're gradually breakinginto the new world.
(16:14):
I guess at least I am.
I know you've probably been alot more tech savvy and you know
, of course, you're the one thatdoes all the editing and all
the stuff for this program,which I appreciate, because I
don't know shit about it.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, social media, I mean it is huge and, like I
said, if you're a band out thereand want even more exposure,
you know come to us, we'll getyou on the show.
And, like I said, we've gotover 5 000 you know hits now, so
your, your music's going to beeven more exposed.
So if you want to be a guestand have your stuff on our, on
our episode, please do, uh, sendit to us yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I'd love to hear from everybody out there, all the
different different states anddifferent countries, and I mean
I'd love to hear what's going onlike in England and our last,
our last member, our lastlistener was Denmark, so I'd
love to hear what's going on inthese other countries.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I would too.
Yeah, I'd like to hear what thewhole process is out there, if
it differs from ours at all.
I imagine it's pretty much thesame, but I mean it'd just be
great to hear from them.
Okay, dan, you want to talkabout some more like about our
practices?
Um, we've pretty much beensticking with our rules, which I
really think helps.
Where we go in, we all have thesame mindset like, okay,
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nobody's gonna like do drugs ordo any heavy drinking or
anything like that.
We're sticking to the songsthat we've all agreed on and
worked on and we're kind ofadding songs when we get to the
point where we know we'regetting the other ones, you know
, somewhat polished to wherethey're ready to perform.
But what other tips you havefor, like, newer bands out there
(17:49):
?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Well, I love everything that you just said
and you know, if you listen tosome of our previous episodes,
we've done a lot of this indetail, as far as from beginning
up until when you actually getthe band together.
But yeah, some of the best tips, like we said, stick to your
guns about how you really feelabout it.
(18:12):
I know when we first startedout again, we almost got to the
point where, with even the firstcouple people that we got
together with, we were going tosettle just because we wanted to
play so bad, even though itwasn't nearly close to what we
were looking for.
You know I'm not talking musicmusicianship wide, you know, I'm
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just talking about general.
You know attitudes and maybethe type of music that they
wanted to play or something likethat.
But definitely stick to yourfeelings.
After that first time you guysget together, whether it's just
with one person or two or awhole new band just getting
together at the same time you'regoing to know what's fitting
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and what's not.
I mean you might be happy with,you know, say, the bass player
and the drummer if I can tiethis shit with the guitar player
, maybe not quite and thesingers, you know, not sounding
the way you want it's.
You know you'll know when itgels like.
You know, like we just talkedabout, it's last night fucking
definitely gelled for us.
And you know, we knew that.
You know we went.
(19:15):
You know, like I said, this isour second practice together and
and we knew this like well,shit, if we're sounding like
this second practice, you knowyou give us two, three months,
we're gonna be polished as helland ready to fucking take on the
world.
Man, that's, that's how yougotta feel about it yeah, it
really is yeah I was justthinking about our, like first
auditions.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
It's like we we've gone like 180 degree difference
from what we were willing toaccept then as to now.
It's funny how that progress oflining up auditions changes
once you start getting morepolished and accomplished
musicians in the room.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I mean I'm not saying anything bad.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
If they're listening, I'm not saying anything bad.
If they're listening, I'm notsaying anything bad about, like,
your musicianship.
Like you said, it's just moreyou know the genre you want to
play, the way you present music.
You know all those things youknow fit into that category of
what makes a band and whatdoesn't.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah Well, yeah, exactly, and I always, you know,
I always kind of comparepractice to almost like how a
sports team and stuff is Numberone.
You've got to want to go topractice.
If it's a chore for you, thenyou need to fucking find a
different line of work.
I mean, I look so forward togoing to practice, even if the
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last practice sucked or if I'mnot feeling good or whatever.
Forward to going to practice,even if the last practice sucked
or if I'm not feeling good orwhatever.
Going to practice is it's kindof like a big high point of my
day or a week, something reallylook forward to oh, and that's,
that's the way you should feel.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, that's cool sports.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, you know, compared to sports teams, that
you know it can't be just aboutone person.
It's like, you know there mightbe one person that's maybe a
better musician than the otherones, or, you know, maybe he's
got, you know, different ideasor whatever, but it's it's still
.
It's gotta be.
The core members all have to beexactly in sync and you know,
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regardless of who's better thanwho, it's, you know it's you can
have the best three members ofyou know, say, the bass player,
drummer and guitar playerabsolutely fucking awesome.
But if you got a singer that'snot quite up to par, you know
that kills the band.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, same thing goes for every individual member,
you know.
Yeah, yeah, you can't have afront man.
That's going to destroy therest of the band, and we're
pretty fortunate to have aguitar player slash vocalist
that's got double duty and he'sdoing it really well, so we're
really fortunate there.
(21:43):
But, you brought up a point Ireally want to stress on.
It's like don't count on everypractice being perfect, because
you're going to have off days,or two of you may have off days
and then the others are doingall right, but you're never
going to have a I mean I won'tsay never.
You're not going to have 100%of the time a practice that's
(22:03):
perfect.
I mean, I don't care howaccomplished you are.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
You're going to have a bad day.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I mean everybody does .
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Oh, yeah, yeah definitely.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, because I mean if you go into practice you know
saying oh this is gonna be sicktonight and it sucks, I mean
you're gonna have those nights,so don't let it like deter you
from being excited about thenext practice.
Like you are, I mean you've gotto be always be excited.
I mean just got to be yourattitude going in, even if you
don't like feel a hundredpercent.
I mean you've got to bementally prepared to go in there
and give it your all, even ifyou may have an off day.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
That's my opinion.
Yeah, that's a great tip, greatopinion.
I mean you know any newmusician that's you know
listening to this podcast, or Imean that's a great point.
You know, if you're that oneguy that doesn't want to go to
practice, or maybe you'reintimidated which we all get,
(23:01):
especially if we're newmusicians and you're trying your
first band, I don't care howgood you are, you're going to be
nervous and you're going to bemaybe a little bit scared to do
it.
But that's how you broaden yourhorizons and that's how
everybody gets better by justgoing out there and doing it
yeah, and when you, when youfeel like that, you're kind of
(23:22):
like intimidated.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Maybe you're like a newer musician.
It's going to show when you'replaying too, because you're
going to overthink your partsrather than just, like we were
talking about earlier, likefeeling your part.
I mean, once you get to thatpoint where you're feeling your
part, you know it's going togoing to gel a lot better.
But I think we all do.
I mean we all overthink,especially a new tune.
You kind of overthink yourparts.
You're like anticipating, youknow, maybe the next breakdown
(23:45):
or next verse or bridge orwhatever, and instead of just
like feeling the part you'recurrently playing.
So I mean, we've all gonethrough that.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Yeah, it's almost like I mean,if you listen to something like
older, some of the older, well,shit, maybe even some of the
newer music, you know some ofthe recordings that are out
there it's like you can, you cantell the ones from the bands
that like their first or secondalbum, there's, you know, a
little bit more edgy or raw andit's you know they're maybe not
quite polished, but that energyand that vibe that you get.
(24:16):
I like those way better thanthe polished shit that's out
there, that's so overproducedthat it's just I don't know,
everything starts to sound thesame after a while.
But some of those newer bands,that raw energy, it just sounds
sick.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Speaking of which, I just watched this documentary on
Motley Crue.
I'm a big Motley Crue fanbecause I like Tommy Lee's
drumming style, but I mean, theybasically had a couple of
players that didn't even knowhow to tune their damn
instruments, but their firstalbum just came across, like you
said, raw and edgy, and it maynot have been 100%.
You know musicianship, but youcould, like you said, you could
(24:53):
feel that energy and thatrawness and it just came out as
okay, these guys are going to gosomewhere and obviously they
did Okay well, in closing, onceagain I want to thank everybody
for listening.
Like I said, we've grown quitea bit from where we first
started.
We really, really appreciate it.
(25:14):
We do want to hear from you,though we haven't received a
whole lot of text or e email, soI mean, whether it's good or
bad, you know you can tell ushey, you guys suck, or you know,
tell us what you like about theshow either way we'd love to
hear from you.
All right, dana, what else yougot for closing here yeah,
you're about the same thing.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, just drop us a line out there, people, let us,
let us know I, we know we've gotthe listeners out there because
you know.
So I could absolutely.
I think we actually just hitover 6,000, I think just the
other day.
So I mean every month we'rejust getting it's like we're
doubling our viewership, youknow every month, from the
previous month.
So I mean we're not, we're nothearing from you.
(25:55):
So drop us a line, tell uswhere you're from and you know
what's going on in your life.
If you, if you're just startingout a band, or if you've got a
band that's out there for 10years, we'd love to hear from
you and go give us, give us some, uh, some pointers that you
know, maybe you've experiencedin your bands and getting them
together, or just any, any kindof shit that's going out there.
Do this stuff and let us know.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Or suggestions for future episodes.
We'd really appreciate it.
We still want to get some barowners and booking agents.
We haven't had them yet, butthat's one thing we're in the
works with as well.
I want to thank everybody again.
Dana, great talking to youagain today.
Thanks for the practice lastnight.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Thanks for the great fucking night.
It was good talking to you, manNice, and looking forward to
our next show.
Thanks for the great fuckingpractice yesterday.
Happy jamming to everybody andfreaking.
The Fear Band hit us up.
We'd love to hear from a wholeband too what's going on with
the dynamics of it.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Sounds good.
Yep, all right everybody.
Thank you and bye.
Hi, welcome to Franklin's Garage to Stage
podcast.
My name is Rob WardrumsFranklin, and my co-host here is
Dana Thunderbase Franklin.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
How you doing, man.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm doing really well , really well.
Hey, a couple things we need todiscuss today.
First of all, I wanted to talkabout our last couple of guests
we've had.
But first of all, I want to saythanks for all the new
listeners and, uh, and thecontinued listeners, uh, we
really appreciate it.
It's grown quite a bit.
Uh, we are still asking forsupport because we do this all
(00:33):
ourselves and we don't have anyadvertisers or anything like
that, so any kind of supportwould be appreciated and there's
a link for that on our websiteand also the podcast.
Uh, and for that on our websiteand also the podcast.
And if you're willing to be aguest, please do send us your
contact information.
We're willing to put on yourMP3s, pump your band.
If you're a solo artist,whatever information you've got
(00:55):
out there.
And, yeah, just text us andwe'll get you on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Dana, what do you got to say today?
Well, you know pretty much thesame as you.
I'd like to.
You know, definitelyappreciation for everybody that
is listening and passing theword on.
It's like you know we've got,you know, over 6,000 hits now
and you know a bunch ofdifferent countries and cities.
I think we've hit almost everystate in the United States.
There's a couple out there inNorth Dakota, south Dakota, I
(01:26):
think.
Dakota's in like Wyoming.
Get us up, guys.
I think you're one of the lastfew states we haven't been in.
Yeah, we do all this on our own.
So any support, you know simple, three, four bucks a month is
all you know.
If you can contribute that cupof coffee, and you know it would
help us out tremendously.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Oh yeah, and it doesn't even have to be monthly.
I mean you could do a one-timething and, just, you know,
cancel it.
So I mean any support would beappreciated.
Like I said, we do this allourselves, so you know we're
spending the money ourselves todo this, but you know we
appreciate even just you'relistening.
So thank you very much for that.
Wanted to talk about our lastcouple of guests.
We've had a couple of reallycool guests.
(02:06):
The first one was what the heckwas I going to have Robin
Brumfield I wanted to sayBlumfield, but it's Brumfield.
He was a solo artist and also aproducer at GrassFit Music.
Real intelligent guy.
Had a really good conversationwith him.
And then our last guest was onnile atway.
(02:27):
Uh, he was the c, he's the ceoof grass fit music and he had
some great insight for, like,new bands and what they should
do as far as management andsocial medias and all that.
It was, uh, really, reallyinteresting.
I had learned a lot from bothof these guys really.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, that was really cool to talk to him and hear
from him.
After getting done listening tohim, I felt inspired to go out
and do even more stuff than whatwe're doing now.
It's really some really goodinfo.
Yeah, that Robin guy, he wasvery well educated, you can tell
, and knew his craft very well.
And we had some other guestsback, you know last month and
the month before.
Uh, you know ex band membersand some family members and,
(03:16):
yeah, it's good.
It's good listening toeverybody and getting their
insights on.
You know what they're seeingout there in the music world
today and different.
You know different parts of thearea.
You know a lot of it's on theWest.
Some of them are on the Westcoast and we're here in the East
coast, so it's kind of cool tosee the different varieties in
the different areas.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah Well, Nate, you know, like I said, they the Nile
guy.
He was extremely passionate.
So you, I mean, if that youwant to hook up with management,
I would strongly suggest givinghim a call or contact him
because, like I said, he justcame across as real passionate
about what he's into and gettingbands promoted.
I thought that was really cool.
I learned a lot.
I never knew there was a genrecalled bedroom pop.
(03:56):
I mean, there's so manythousands of genres out there.
That's one I'd never even heardof before.
So when he said that, I waslike, huh, Bedroom pop, what the
hell is that?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
yeah, that was a new one for me too.
There are some strange, strangesub genres out there, it's like
, I mean, whatever kind of musicyou play, if there's not a name
for it, somebody will come upwith one for you speaking of
genres, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I kind of I kind of really don't like the whole idea
of having like for rock.
There's like 20 or more genresof rock.
I think you kind of likepigeonhole yourself into like a
certain group of listeners.
That's the thing I don't likeabout having so many thousands
of genres out there.
You know what I mean.
It seems like it kind of limitsyour audience.
(04:42):
You're trying to appeal tosomebody's only listening for
like classic rock.
You may have some cool originalshit out there and I'll never
hear it because they want tohear classic rock and you know,
and vice versa.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
So that kind of shit, you know it's confusing yeah,
yeah, it's like you know whenyou start out a new band
nowadays, it's like you know ifyou want to try to advertise
yourself, or you know, say whatkind of music you're playing for
you know, at certain clubs,like where y'all would do this.
Like you know, if you want totry to advertise yourself, or
you know, say what kind of musicyou're playing for you know at
certain clubs, like where youknow we do this.
Like you know, it's like yousaid, you know, do you limit
yourself by saying we're a deathneo-punk band?
(05:14):
or you know whatever some ofthese crazy names are.
It's like I mean, if I hearjust rock or metal, then I'll,
you know, I'll probably check itout because you know it's both
the genres that I like.
But it doesn't limit it.
You know, it's not a deathmetal or a stream, or you know,
so you're not.
You know, if you're not intostream then you're going to go
there and you're going to walkright back out.
But if you know ahead of time,you know, I don't know, it's too
(05:38):
, too intricate, I thinknowadays.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
It is.
It really is.
Also, I think, today wepromised in the last couple
episodes we're going to updateyou on our progress as well.
We kind of really haven't donethat.
So, as you know, as we've saidin previous episodes, we started
a new project a few months backand we've gone through some
lineup changes and I think we'vefinally gotten to the point
(06:03):
where we're with members wereally want to commit ourselves
to.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
you know, definitely it's.
You know, when we first, uh,when you first moved out here
and we got this going again, yes, some of the ones we had there
in the beginning were, um, youknow nothing against talent,
because everybody that we'vebeen with their talent, it's
just you know differentattitudes or different,
different styles of music.
So you know it takes the, ittakes the right.
(06:33):
You know, as we've said in manyof our you know podcasts
previously, it's you've got togo through all the steps to you
know to make sure you're gettingthe right people that you want
it's.
You know it's not justmusically anymore, it's like
we've said we're.
You know so it's a family andyou all have to gel and and get
along and put up with the goodsand bads of everybody.
Yeah, and unfortunatelysometimes it takes time.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I mean really, sometimes it just takes time.
You're really not going to knowin one or two practices.
Sometimes it takes multiplepractices to say, okay, you know
what.
It started off really good, butthis shit just ain't working,
no more.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, yeah, we've had some guys that I mean they're
talented, but it's like you know, just attitudes are a little
bit different and you know they.
You know either they want tocontrol the whole project or
control certain people and driveback and go.
No, I want this and I want that.
And you know we've always beenone of those kind of bands where
(07:31):
it's, you know, more of ademocracy Everybody's got a
voice.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And we're not into the, the self-leader.
Yeah, well, one thing I kind ofwanted to discuss too is, uh,
we've gotten to that point whereevery band well, hopefully
every band gets to where themembers are starting to feel the
music rather than play theparts, if you know what I mean.
Because once you start feelingthe music not not thinking about
your parts it's just like alightning goes off in your head.
It's like, oh, this is fuckingsick and I experienced that last
(08:04):
night.
So I was really happy lastnight.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, my practice last night was really good.
I was like all the way home andit's like a 45-minute drive
from me, so all the way home Iwas just like pumped.
I was just listening to thekind of music that we play and
other bands like us I keptthinking about our practice and
how everybody was really gettinginto it and moving around for
(08:31):
the little bit of space that wegot.
But you can tell that it wentfrom just a couple of guys
getting together and saying, hey, is this going to work out?
Or just jamming to all of asudden people like you know.
It's almost like a stagefeeling.
It's like everybody's ready tojump on stage and get in front
of a crowd and go crazy.
And that's what I felt lastnight.
The energy is just fuckingamazing.
(08:51):
I'm still excited about it.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, the energy.
It was just fucking amazing.
I'm still excited about it.
Yeah, me too, and you know thishappened to me.
You know, in almost every bandI've been, and sometimes it
happens sooner and later.
But you can tell wheneverybody's actually starting to
feel it instead of just like,okay, one, two, three, four, you
know, counting it out or youknow, knowing their parts.
They're actually feeling itinstead of thinking, and I just
love that feeling it to me.
I've had better practices inlive shows, just because when
(09:17):
you get that feeling you justcan't, you can't, you know,
repeat it.
It's just, it's just, oh, Ilove it.
It's another way to describe ityeah, yeah, it's like, yeah,
it's.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know, it's like you're thinking the best drug
that's out there and it's 10times that oh, yeah, yeah let's
see why these um.
But yeah, going back to thepractice is like you know.
This is only the second timeactually with all the members
practicing been together and andeven with the ending of some of
(09:48):
the songs that we've onlyplayed once or twice together,
where you know some of them gotreally tight and otherwise we're
still trying to figure out howwe want to end it and we'd look
at each other and it's just kindof always happened and then you
as a drummer you know, you'dfuck with us and kind of hold
that last hit for a little bitand it was like not only was it
a great practice musically, buteven just all along it was just
(10:10):
a lot.
It wasn't, it wasn't like work,it was fun.
Yeah, exactly I mean I lovepracticing anyway, but it was,
yeah, it was, it was awesome itwas, it was and, like you said,
I mean you can't.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
You can't capture that effect with drug drugs.
I mean it's just, it's justsick.
I mean that's that's why weplay instruments for that
feeling.
Okay, dana, uh, I wanted totell our listeners as well.
Uh, we have a.
Our next episode is going to bewith a uh guest.
His name is, he goes by thename quiet son.
(10:42):
He's a producer and also arecording engineer.
So I'm really looking forwardto that because I don't know, I
don't know shit about that and Iwant to, I want to hopefully
get some tips from him on, youknow, mixes and shit like that,
because I mean, that's, that's,that's huge, you know, in
recording and actually playinglive, or they're just even
(11:03):
practice.
So I'm really looking forwardto getting some information from
him.
And then we're also going to bewe're not quite sure the date
yet, but we're going to be onanother podcast.
It's called on stage um.
As soon as we have moreinformation about that or a copy
of that, we'll make sure thatthat's linked on our website and
podcast as well.
Okay, dana, I think it's abouttime for that, what we call oh
(11:29):
shit, it is all right, this iswhere we it's been a few
episodes, yeah it has.
This is basically where we talkabout something that's either
embarrassing or something thathappened during either a live
show, or before or after a show,or even at a practice, where
something just didn't go asplanned.
So let's start with you.
(11:50):
What do you got today?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Okay, all right.
Well, mine, um, mine goes fromuh when we had our very first
live show with our original band, um manalith, you know.
Before, of course, we did abunch of you know cover bands
and stuff and then we finallyprogressed to just doing what
(12:11):
our originals and we got youknow good band together and it
was we were fucking killing itand this was our first live show
.
So we're all excited and allpumped and ready to do it.
We played at this place calledEasy Street in Reno, nevada, and
we were fortunate enough towhere this place actually had a
backstage area where we can, youknow, dress up for the show.
(12:33):
And you know, we set everythingup on stage and then went back
and, you know, got our stageclothes on, whatever and, you
know, did final tuning and stufflike that.
Well, you know, at the time thisis my very first uh show that I
was playing with this brand newwireless transmitter I had, and
you know, of course I was usingthis, you know, at practice and
all the stuff leading up to theshow.
(12:53):
And this goes back to one ofthose times we talked about one
of our episodes, like be fuckingprepared, because getting ready
to go up on stage, turneverything on and I noticed my
light blinking on my wirelesstransmitter on my my end of it.
I'm like, holy shit, you know,everybody knows what that
blinking light means meansyou're getting ready to cut out
(13:19):
or you're already out.
So thank God, I had an extra9-volt battery back there to
plug in real quick, because Idelayed us 5 or 10 minutes of
getting on stage.
And wow, I was sweating, I wasfucking burning.
Of course I was nervous, as itwas, because this is our first
show with this set up, so we hada huge crowd there.
So, I wanted to, um, you know,want to make sure everything was
right and it was.
(13:39):
It was fucking scary that wouldbe.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Hey, it probably helped in the long run.
You know that anticipation.
You know it came out a littlebit later, so people are
probably okay getting into itbecause we have some background
music going, I'm sure so oh,yeah, definitely well, mine's.
Uh, it was kind of a actually ascary moment in, in a kind of a
funny way.
Um, this is, I was playing inthis band unfortunately you
(14:03):
weren't in this band and thiswas in sacramento and we were
playing at this club and I hadinvited I was separated at the
time and I had was going outwith a couple different chicks
and I invited one to the showand then you know, we're, we're
playing.
I noticed like halfway throughthe set she shows up, but then
towards the end of the set, ohshit, who comes through the
front door?
(14:23):
My other girlfriend and I wasgoing out with the time and they
didn't know each other.
But then during the show, likejust probably like second set in
, I noticed they both went intothe bathroom at the same time
and I was just fucking sweatingbullets.
So it's just kind of one ofthose things where be careful
who you invite to your show.
(14:44):
But that was just kind of funnyand I was nervous because I
didn't know how the night wasgoing to end up.
And it ended up being prettywell, I mean, there was no
fights or nothing.
So it was just one of thosefunny moments.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Oh, you got lucky with that one All right.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
uh, what else you got for us today, dennis?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
well, you know, I think, on our last, actually
last couple episodes, you know,talking with those other guys
that you know they're both from,uh, the la area, I believe, and
they were talking about thelocal, not even local, but just
the music scene in general now,and it was interesting to hear
what they were saying.
As far as, like you know, Ithink one of the questions you
(15:26):
even asked that night was youknow, is rock music even a thing
out there anymore?
Because it's just, you know,you just don't hear as much as
you know the pop and all the youknow, you just don't hear as
much as you know the pop and allthe you know, hip-hop and the
stuff that's really country.
You know all the other stuffthat kind of seems to be taking
over, I guess, per se, but tohear Nile say, no, it's really
(15:47):
strong out there, I think socialmedia just makes everything so
different nowadays.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
You know it's just yeah, it's changing the whole
environment.
You know good and bad.
You just gotta get to pointswhere you're not afraid to use
it.
And I think us, being a littlebit older, we're not afraid,
we're just not familiar with it.
It's like, okay, well, what thehell do we gotta do to get out
there?
So we're gradually breakinginto the new world.
(16:14):
I guess at least I am.
I know you've probably been alot more tech savvy and you know
, of course, you're the one thatdoes all the editing and all
the stuff for this program,which I appreciate, because I
don't know shit about it.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, social media, I mean it is huge and, like I
said, if you're a band out thereand want even more exposure,
you know come to us, we'll getyou on the show.
And, like I said, we've gotover 5 000 you know hits now, so
your, your music's going to beeven more exposed.
So if you want to be a guestand have your stuff on our, on
our episode, please do, uh, sendit to us yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I'd love to hear from everybody out there, all the
different different states anddifferent countries, and I mean
I'd love to hear what's going onlike in England and our last,
our last member, our lastlistener was Denmark, so I'd
love to hear what's going on inthese other countries.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I would too.
Yeah, I'd like to hear what thewhole process is out there, if
it differs from ours at all.
I imagine it's pretty much thesame, but I mean it'd just be
great to hear from them.
Okay, dan, you want to talkabout some more like about our
practices?
Um, we've pretty much beensticking with our rules, which I
really think helps.
Where we go in, we all have thesame mindset like, okay,
(17:28):
nobody's gonna like do drugs ordo any heavy drinking or
anything like that.
We're sticking to the songsthat we've all agreed on and
worked on and we're kind ofadding songs when we get to the
point where we know we'regetting the other ones, you know
, somewhat polished to wherethey're ready to perform.
But what other tips you havefor, like, newer bands out there
(17:49):
?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Well, I love everything that you just said
and you know, if you listen tosome of our previous episodes,
we've done a lot of this indetail, as far as from beginning
up until when you actually getthe band together.
But yeah, some of the best tips, like we said, stick to your
guns about how you really feelabout it.
(18:12):
I know when we first startedout again, we almost got to the
point where, with even the firstcouple people that we got
together with, we were going tosettle just because we wanted to
play so bad, even though itwasn't nearly close to what we
were looking for.
You know I'm not talking musicmusicianship wide, you know, I'm
(18:32):
just talking about general.
You know attitudes and maybethe type of music that they
wanted to play or something likethat.
But definitely stick to yourfeelings.
After that first time you guysget together, whether it's just
with one person or two or awhole new band just getting
together at the same time you'regoing to know what's fitting
(18:54):
and what's not.
I mean you might be happy with,you know, say, the bass player
and the drummer if I can tiethis shit with the guitar player
, maybe not quite and thesingers, you know, not sounding
the way you want it's.
You know you'll know when itgels like.
You know, like we just talkedabout, it's last night fucking
definitely gelled for us.
And you know, we knew that.
You know we went.
(19:15):
You know, like I said, this isour second practice together and
and we knew this like well,shit, if we're sounding like
this second practice, you knowyou give us two, three months,
we're gonna be polished as helland ready to fucking take on the
world.
Man, that's, that's how yougotta feel about it yeah, it
really is yeah I was justthinking about our, like first
auditions.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
It's like we we've gone like 180 degree difference
from what we were willing toaccept then as to now.
It's funny how that progress oflining up auditions changes
once you start getting morepolished and accomplished
musicians in the room.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I mean I'm not saying anything bad.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
If they're listening, I'm not saying anything bad.
If they're listening, I'm notsaying anything bad about, like,
your musicianship.
Like you said, it's just moreyou know the genre you want to
play, the way you present music.
You know all those things youknow fit into that category of
what makes a band and whatdoesn't.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah Well, yeah, exactly, and I always, you know,
I always kind of comparepractice to almost like how a
sports team and stuff is Numberone.
You've got to want to go topractice.
If it's a chore for you, thenyou need to fucking find a
different line of work.
I mean, I look so forward togoing to practice, even if the
(20:33):
last practice sucked or if I'mnot feeling good or whatever.
Forward to going to practice,even if the last practice sucked
or if I'm not feeling good orwhatever.
Going to practice is it's kindof like a big high point of my
day or a week, something reallylook forward to oh, and that's,
that's the way you should feel.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, that's cool sports.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, you know, compared to sports teams, that
you know it can't be just aboutone person.
It's like, you know there mightbe one person that's maybe a
better musician than the otherones, or, you know, maybe he's
got, you know, different ideasor whatever, but it's it's still
.
It's gotta be.
The core members all have to beexactly in sync and you know,
(21:09):
regardless of who's better thanwho, it's, you know it's you can
have the best three members ofyou know, say, the bass player,
drummer and guitar playerabsolutely fucking awesome.
But if you got a singer that'snot quite up to par, you know
that kills the band.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, same thing goes for every individual member,
you know.
Yeah, yeah, you can't have afront man.
That's going to destroy therest of the band, and we're
pretty fortunate to have aguitar player slash vocalist
that's got double duty and he'sdoing it really well, so we're
really fortunate there.
(21:43):
But, you brought up a point Ireally want to stress on.
It's like don't count on everypractice being perfect, because
you're going to have off days,or two of you may have off days
and then the others are doingall right, but you're never
going to have a I mean I won'tsay never.
You're not going to have 100%of the time a practice that's
(22:03):
perfect.
I mean, I don't care howaccomplished you are.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
You're going to have a bad day.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I mean everybody does .
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Oh, yeah, yeah definitely.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, because I mean if you go into practice you know
saying oh this is gonna be sicktonight and it sucks, I mean
you're gonna have those nights,so don't let it like deter you
from being excited about thenext practice.
Like you are, I mean you've gotto be always be excited.
I mean just got to be yourattitude going in, even if you
don't like feel a hundredpercent.
I mean you've got to bementally prepared to go in there
and give it your all, even ifyou may have an off day.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
That's my opinion.
Yeah, that's a great tip, greatopinion.
I mean you know any newmusician that's you know
listening to this podcast, or Imean that's a great point.
You know, if you're that oneguy that doesn't want to go to
practice, or maybe you'reintimidated which we all get,
(23:01):
especially if we're newmusicians and you're trying your
first band, I don't care howgood you are, you're going to be
nervous and you're going to bemaybe a little bit scared to do
it.
But that's how you broaden yourhorizons and that's how
everybody gets better by justgoing out there and doing it
yeah, and when you, when youfeel like that, you're kind of
(23:22):
like intimidated.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Maybe you're like a newer musician.
It's going to show when you'replaying too, because you're
going to overthink your partsrather than just, like we were
talking about earlier, likefeeling your part.
I mean, once you get to thatpoint where you're feeling your
part, you know it's going togoing to gel a lot better.
But I think we all do.
I mean we all overthink,especially a new tune.
You kind of overthink yourparts.
You're like anticipating, youknow, maybe the next breakdown
(23:45):
or next verse or bridge orwhatever, and instead of just
like feeling the part you'recurrently playing.
So I mean, we've all gonethrough that.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Yeah, it's almost like I mean,if you listen to something like
older, some of the older, well,shit, maybe even some of the
newer music, you know some ofthe recordings that are out
there it's like you can, you cantell the ones from the bands
that like their first or secondalbum, there's, you know, a
little bit more edgy or raw andit's you know they're maybe not
quite polished, but that energyand that vibe that you get.
(24:16):
I like those way better thanthe polished shit that's out
there, that's so overproducedthat it's just I don't know,
everything starts to sound thesame after a while.
But some of those newer bands,that raw energy, it just sounds
sick.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Speaking of which, I just watched this documentary on
Motley Crue.
I'm a big Motley Crue fanbecause I like Tommy Lee's
drumming style, but I mean, theybasically had a couple of
players that didn't even knowhow to tune their damn
instruments, but their firstalbum just came across, like you
said, raw and edgy, and it maynot have been 100%.
You know musicianship, but youcould, like you said, you could
(24:53):
feel that energy and thatrawness and it just came out as
okay, these guys are going to gosomewhere and obviously they
did Okay well, in closing, onceagain I want to thank everybody
for listening.
Like I said, we've grown quitea bit from where we first
started.
We really, really appreciate it.
(25:14):
We do want to hear from you,though we haven't received a
whole lot of text or e email, soI mean, whether it's good or
bad, you know you can tell ushey, you guys suck, or you know,
tell us what you like about theshow either way we'd love to
hear from you.
All right, dana, what else yougot for closing here yeah,
you're about the same thing.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, just drop us a line out there, people, let us,
let us know I, we know we've gotthe listeners out there because
you know.
So I could absolutely.
I think we actually just hitover 6,000, I think just the
other day.
So I mean every month we'rejust getting it's like we're
doubling our viewership, youknow every month, from the
previous month.
So I mean we're not, we're nothearing from you.
(25:55):
So drop us a line, tell uswhere you're from and you know
what's going on in your life.
If you, if you're just startingout a band, or if you've got a
band that's out there for 10years, we'd love to hear from
you and go give us, give us some, uh, some pointers that you
know, maybe you've experiencedin your bands and getting them
together, or just any, any kindof shit that's going out there.
Do this stuff and let us know.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Or suggestions for future episodes.
We'd really appreciate it.
We still want to get some barowners and booking agents.
We haven't had them yet, butthat's one thing we're in the
works with as well.
I want to thank everybody again.
Dana, great talking to youagain today.
Thanks for the practice lastnight.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Thanks for the great fucking night.
It was good talking to you, manNice, and looking forward to
our next show.
Thanks for the great fuckingpractice yesterday.
Happy jamming to everybody andfreaking.
The Fear Band hit us up.
We'd love to hear from a wholeband too what's going on with
the dynamics of it.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Sounds good.
Yep, all right everybody.
Thank you and bye.
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