June 6, 2025 • 42 mins
Have you ever wondered what your dog would naturally eat if given the choice? In this eye-opening conversation with Pamela, founder of Pure Life Raw, we dive deep into the transformative world of raw feeding and why it might be the nutritional approach your dog's biology craves.
Pamela's journey began with her own sick cats who weren't responding to traditional veterinary treatments. Her research led her to raw feeding, resulting in a complete health transformation that inspired her to launch her company in 2017. She brings both personal experience and professional expertise to the table, having studied animal nutrition after leaving her corporate marketing career.
The science behind raw feeding is compelling. Your dog's digestive system is specifically designed for raw meat - with highly acidic stomach environment (approximately ten times stronger than humans') and a shorter digestive tract that processes food quickly. This natural design explains why many dogs thrive on raw diets, experiencing benefits like reduced shedding, smaller and less odorous stools, and fewer allergic reactions.
Perhaps most surprising is Pamela's insight about protein variety. Contrary to common practice of finding one food and sticking with it, rotating different protein sources actually helps prevent allergies while providing a broader nutritional profile. This mimics how canines would naturally eat in the wild, consuming different prey animals as they become available through changing seasons.
For those concerned about safety or transition challenges, Pamela offers practical guidance on sourcing quality ingredients and gradually introducing raw foods. She emphasizes the importance of seeking education and possibly consultation when making the switch, especially for older dogs with established dietary patterns.
Ready to reconsider what goes in your dog's bowl? Follow Pure Life Raw on social media or visit their Camarillo location to learn how raw feeding might transform your pet's health from the inside out.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Fresh Patch Podcast, where we talk
about everything from dogtraining to potty talk.
It's time to save your rugs andget real.
This episode is brought to youby Fresh Patch, featured on
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Drew and Gabe.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
All right, welcome everybody to the Potty Talk
Podcast.
All right, welcome everybody tothe Potty Talk podcast.
This is episode 10, and we haveanother special guest, but I
will introduce myself first.
My name is Drew, marketingdirector here at Fresh Patch,
and this is.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
My name is Gabe, I am the partnership coordinator and
, as Drew mentioned, we have anamazing entrepreneurial guest
today.
If you wouldn't mindintroducing yourself, Sure.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Hi, my name is Pamela .
I am the CEO and founder ofPure Life Raw.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Awesome Thank you for yeah, thank you for joining and
hope you've enjoyed your timeso far.
I know we got a little crazywith my dog at the beginning,
but you know Stella's workingout and stuff.
But and if the camera can't seebut Zeus, yeah, zeus, come here
.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
He's underneath the coffee table.
He'll make an appearance soon.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yes, there we go we'll zoom in on the whenever
you're ready, zeus, but we dohave a dog guest as well, so
thank you for bringing zeus.
We always love a good, a goodlab to be in our presence, so
I'm a sucker for a chocolate lab.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
What can I say?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
yeah, yeah black lab was my first dog, so any lab,
I'm like yeah, yes, yes, they,they're great, yes, they are so
cool.
Yeah, we're just going to divein and talk about some questions
towards your business andeverything, but before yeah, raw
dog food and all that, butbefore we get into that, I just
wanted to take a little break.
We've got to give a shout outto the little ad break for the
(01:43):
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in there for a second.
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Speaker 2 (02:12):
All right, cool.
So yeah, thank you for joiningand we will get things started,
gabe, if you want to start usoff with yeah, yeah, absolutely
so.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Um, you know, we were talking a little bit before we
got on here, but you have such acool story, so I think what we
want to really learn about islike your story of like how your
company came to be and like howyou got into this field and all
that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah, yeah, the the story really starts with me
having two cats who I loveddearly.
They were like my first pets ofmy own, and so I, you know, was
taking really good care of them.
(02:57):
I did all the things you know anew like we were talking about
meow me would do.
And my cats were very young,only less than two years old and
they kept getting sick.
So what do you do?
You take your pet to the vet,kept going to the vet, was
getting prescription diets.
Not only was it not working, itwas making it worse.
And so one day my cat, Callie,was like curled up in the closet
(03:22):
, really lethargic, wouldn't eat, was vomiting, just really,
really sick.
And that day I was like I needto figure this out and I'm
obviously not getting what Ineed from the resources that I
have.
So I dove into research, cameacross a very old school blog
about raw feeding, and then Iwas like, OK, this makes sense,
(03:43):
Like it's just as common sense.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
What would our animals eat in the wild?
Do that, right, um.
And so then I switched theirdiet to um a raw diet.
I was making the food allmyself, um, at first, and I used
a couple different raw products.
There was not a lot of rawproducts on the market back then
, cause I started it before.
Raw feeding was cool.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, ahead of the trend.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah, and so, um, anyways, fast forward.
I fed my cats.
It was a 180.
They were a hundred percentbetter.
Um, fast forward.
I got a dog.
He was on raw right from thebeginning and I was doing this
all myself and I was in thetransition.
So I used to be in corporateworlds, uh, marketing, um, at
this company called Saatchi, andthen I was in the transition.
So I used to be in corporateworld, marketing at this company
called Saatchi, and then I wasin between there and like my
(04:29):
next move, and somebody hadasked me, like, what would you
do if you could do anything?
And I'd be like I was like, oh,easy, well, I'd have like a raw
pet food company.
And then he was like, so whydon't you do that?
And I was like, oh, why not?
So then I started it and westarted in like our converted
garage, made it, built out akitchen and started making
everything ourself and in ourown house.
(04:50):
And then, um, we grew fromthere and opened up the
warehouse in 2019.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Man, that is so cool and it's so perfect too, Cause,
like raw dog food diets are likelike you were saying, it's it's
cool, now it's trendy.
So kind of did it at like theright time.
Yeah, Um.
So when was that that?
Um, the company came to be?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
2017.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Nice, yeah.
So we are what Eight years,yeah, eight years now Nice.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Congrats.
Yeah, sounds a little familiarto fresh patch too, cause there
was a lot of garage uh, you know, know operations when this
company first started too.
So I feel like the bestbusinesses started in the garage
yeah, definitely microsoft yeahapple you know, I mean all of
them.
Yeah, so cool.
Yeah, congrats, that's reallycool and you're local too, which
is nice, I know.
When we found you too, I waslike, oh man, I really want to
(05:39):
talk to you because, yeah, wetried to do a raw food dog uh
diet with oak and stuff, and itwas just we didn't do it correct
, like we just went cold Turkeyand like we didn't like wean him
off his other food and it wasjust like, oh gosh, this is it
got nasty, like his poopsweren't good and stuff.
So we just stopped and wentback to what we, you know,
currently do and stuff.
(05:59):
But yeah, we'll, we'll talkmore after the podcast.
I'm Camarillo too, so it'd beperfect.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yeah, yeah, and that's one of the cool things
too is that I offerconsultations along with the.
It's not just the raw pet foodand we're like here, buy this,
buy you know we offerconsultations too, and so that
is really helpful to a lot ofpeople who are kind of like
going through trial and errortrying to figure it out, and
then you know you get theongoing support of like okay,
(06:25):
let's troubleshoot together whatdo you?
Need to add.
What should we remove?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
et cetera.
That's really cool.
That is really cool.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
So you had mentioned earlier that you had interviewed
some veterinarians.
Have you talked to them muchabout like the raw food diet and
like just like the sort ofscientific benefits of it?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yeah, so the veterinarian that I interviewed.
She actually recently moved toHolland, but she was working on
a calabasas, that's a cool move.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I know Well her husband's from there and she was
like I hate the way that theydo things here.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
So we're moving to Holland and we're like I hear
you right you got room for onemore.
Yeah, so yeah, I mean that was.
I'm happy you asked that.
It's the main reason Iinterviewed her, because we were
looking for, like a holisticveterinarian who is well-versed
or at least familiar with rawfeeding.
Because the problem is, a lotof veterinarians traditional
veterinarians are not familiarwith raw feeding.
(07:17):
It scares them andunfortunately, the very few
nutritional hours that they haveare funded by big pet food.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Of course Royal.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Canin science diet so of course you know, yeah, yeah,
but so the interview that I didwith her, yeah, we were asking
her, you know about, in yourpractice, what have you seen
with animals who are fed a rawdiet and how do you support that
?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
and, um, yeah, it was very, a very interesting
conversation yeah, that's,that's super cool and it's funny
that you mentioned like it kindof scares them a little bit
because I remember when I firstheard about it I was like that
doesn't seem right.
You know, like I wouldn't eatraw food, like.
But then you know, likethinking about it, like you were
saying like what they would eatin the wild, I'm like, okay,
that makes so much more sense.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So it kind of took away that they cook anything in
the wild, you know?
Yeah, they don't know how tocook.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
They haven't gotten to the you know the inventing
fire stage, yet yeah, right yeah, exactly, still in the bronze
age.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, that's really cool, awesome.
Well, um, yeah, we'll just movedown our list of questions.
Going on with number two, I'lltake this one why should dog
owners consider raw food fortheir dog and what are the
benefits?
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Okay, well, piggybacking off of the common
sense thing, I mean it reallydoesn't have to get a whole lot
more complicated than that.
It's like if you want your dogto be healthy from the get-go
and you know the goal isprevention right, because there
are so many issues and healthissues and disease with our pets
(08:59):
right.
And so the goal is preventingall that.
That's the main one.
You want to feed them whatthey're designed to eat, to
prevent any of those diseasesfrom being able to take over or
any other ailments.
Um, another benefit, I'd say ahuman benefit, right, your dog
stinks less.
Your dog sheds less.
Your dog's poops are smallerand less frequent, their pee
(09:21):
doesn't smell as bad.
Um, so those are like the humanbenefits of overall, your pet
is less gross.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Those are great.
There he is, Everybody.
This is Zeus there's.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Zeus.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Everybody Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Handsome guy over here.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah, yeah, and I'd say that's the main thing.
It's preventing disease andsetting your pet up for a very
healthy, high quality life.
Those are the biggest benefits.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Nice, well, those, those are great benefits,
especially for the human too.
I mean I know people would lovethat, but for the dog too.
I mean, yeah, send them out tojust be as healthy as possible
for their entire life, you know,and that's we want our dogs to
live forever.
I mean, you know, and you knowyou guys are doing that, at the
least prolonging that experience.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
For, for you know, dog owners and stuff so that's
really awesome and so you youmentioned, like uh, prevention,
so obviously like it's best tostart them off as puppies yes as
drew mentioned, like sometimesthere can be a sort of like
transitional period in yourexperience.
Like what, what does that looklike?
Speaker 4 (10:20):
so, yeah, I actually found it interesting, um, that
you mentioned that with your dog.
So most dogs do okay with acold turkey transition.
Not all of them do, obviously.
I'm curious to know, like, atwhat point you did it.
Was it recently that you didthat?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
No, it's been a few months now.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Okay, but he's what?
How old is he?
He's eight Okay right, so laterin his life is my point.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
So if if you're feeding your dog for lack of a
better term, speaking layman'sterms right Processed food at
some point.
Every food is processed.
At this point, even raw food isminimally processed, right.
But so, like kibble, dry food,wet food, even cooked food, all
of it has it's processed food,right, it's not in its raw form.
If they're eating that fortheir whole life, then their
(11:07):
like gut microbiome isn't asplentiful.
The digestive enzymes in theirdigestive tract are not as
plentiful, so the acidity intheir stomach might not be as
acidic as it naturally would be.
So there's a lot of reasons thatlater down the line in their
life, if you're doing atransition, their body's like
(11:30):
whoa, whoa, whoa.
What the hell?
Is this Right and honestly?
That may happen for a raw feddog too, if you feed them,
kibble their stomach might belike what the hell is this yeah?
But um in the same breath alldogs.
Some of them have like just aniron tank of a stomach and can
take anything.
You know, we've all, we allknow dogs like that, so I lost
track with what the question was.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Oh no, worries, Just like what the process of
transitioning them on the rawfood is like Transitioning right
.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
So yeah, so with puppies, yes, they wean right
from mama's milk to raw food andthat looks a little bit
different.
That's part of theconsultations aspect is like you
don't want to just like feedyour brand new puppy, whatever,
right it has to be um Iencourage it to be supported
with somebody who can help youadd in the right things.
(12:16):
But um, yes, um, for you know,lack of going on and on.
They definitely can switchright to raw food from a puppy
and then with older dogssometimes there's a transition.
But I always encourage peoplelike you know your dog you know,
if your dog can handle and alsoif you do like a shorter
transition, like you can alwayspull back Right, and the main
thing is like having support indoing that.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Am.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I doing this right?
Should I try a differentprotein?
Do I need to add a probioticLike?
Yeah, for sure yeah, thetransition question is kind of
like you could go cold turkeymost of the time, but sometimes
it's more.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
It's more of like a case-by-case kind of thing yeah.
Well, that's cool, that makessense.
So we already kind of touchedon this.
But like what are some sort oflike misconceptions or things
people get wrong about raw dogfood?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
diets.
Yeah, I'm trying to think abouthow I want to answer this.
Well, I think that it all comesfrom a really good place.
We all want what's best for ourfamilies.
That includes our animals, ourpets, and the topic of raw can
be scary because you think rawmeat, you think immediately like
(13:22):
bacteria, right?
E coli, salmonella Um, youthink you know what about the
bone?
Isn't that dangerous, right?
So there's the different thingsof like.
The fear around raw feeding wasmore prevalent before.
It's not as much now.
Um, because of what pet foodshave been doing to the raw food,
(13:44):
because they've been making ita bunch of safe things which are
arguably not raw, but anyways.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, that's a whole other conversation.
I digress.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
So question again.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Oh, what are some misconceptions about raw food,
misconceptions, thank you.
Yeah, no worries.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
So the fear around raw misconceptions.
So I'll start with where I was,like the bacteria question.
It's kind of like a two-pieceanswer, right.
So not too long ago theprevalence of salmonella and E
coli like the recalls for petfood, were more common in kibble
and wet food for those thingsIronically right?
(14:28):
You think no in the.
The raw food, like the cooking,kills the bacteria right.
But the key there and that'schanged now because the fda is
going crazy on raw food but umbut the key there is the um
sourcing.
So anything that is not fit forhuman consumption is what goes
into kibble and wet food.
So I'm gonna say that againanything that is not fit for
(14:50):
human consumption is what goesinto pet food that is cheese not
good.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
That means, oh my gosh that means roadkill.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
That means animals that died, other than what is
the wording?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
on the FDA.
It's um yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Other than by slaughter, so thinking like farm
animals right, like they diedin the cage because of some
disease, they they weren'tslaughtered for consumption.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
So that is the stuff that's going into pet food.
That's horrible.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
That is so.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Sourcing is crucial, and it's like, okay, this kind
of makes sense that thoseanimals were infected with
something, so the recalls couldbe more common, right?
Even after you burn it to acrisp and then add a bunch of
supplements in there, it's likeit was still gross from the
beginning.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
It was still rotten, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
You know low quality.
So, but with raw food, again,not every raw food is created
the same.
But sourcing is still, if noteven more, critical.
Right, when are you getting themeat from?
Are you getting it locally?
What's the processing time onit?
And if you're getting it from acleaner source, the pets, the
(16:01):
animals that you're using, theingredients, they're a lot
higher quality, they're a lotless likely to have those
bacteria.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Now, after that, after sourcing, it's like with
the processing thing.
It's like you know how quicklyyou're freezing the food, how
often it's made At Pure Life Raw.
Everything is made to order, sowe don't make it until you
order it.
Um, and sourcing is coming fromsmall farms up in Petaluma,
california, and so it's all very, very fresh and very, very
(16:33):
clean.
Our dogs are eating better thanus.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, that was going to be my next question about,
like the sourcing of where youguys like cause you mentioned
that seems like such a big partof the process and ensuring that
it's like healthy for our dogsyeah, sourcing is really
important.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Um, I'm just sorry, my brain's popping.
It's reminding me of freshpatch too like we say the same
thing you know, we want it asfresh as possible.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
That's why we source it very locally and we have it
here and it's shipped same dayand everything you know, and
we're not packaging it untilthat order comes in and
everything.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
So very similar you know types of Right, and that's
why I had questions for you whenI first got here.
I'm like okay, yeah, theshipping like it's a fresh
product and all that yeah.
Yeah, sourcing is superimportant and again forgot your
question.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Oh yeah, we were talking about misconceptions.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Misconceptions.
Okay, yeah, so the othermisconception we said was like
oh wait, and I had one morepoint about the bacteria stuff.
That's what it was.
Yeah, so on salmonella and Ecoli.
The other factor to that isyour dog is a carnivore.
Your dog is built to withstandbacteria a lot better than us.
(17:48):
Their digestive tract is lessthan half of ours, Wow, so
everything that goes in goes outa lot faster.
The acidity in their stomach islike don't quote me on this
like 10 times, if not moreacidic than ours.
So it kills bacteria.
It's built to withstand it alot better than ours.
So it kills bacteria.
It's built to withstand it alot better than ours.
And so that's the other piece isthat if your dog is exposed to
(18:10):
Salmonella E coli not every time, but most of the time they
might get a bout of diarrhea.
They might throw up the food.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Yeah, and then they'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, their body knows how to react.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Their body knows how to like get it out and be done
with it.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Right, it's not like us where it's sitting in our
digestive tract for a lot longer, spreading.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
And we're doing this thing, yeah, giving it time.
That makes a lot of sense.
Wow, very interesting.
So yeah, you guys are built,built tough down there, I wish I
wish I could just seriously, Ineed a dog's digestive.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I mean, we humanize them in like the best ways,
right, like they're part of ourfamily and they sleep in our
beds and like we put them inlike the best ways, right, like
they're part of our family andthey sleep in our beds, and like
we put them in cute littleoutfits right, but like they're
still a dog.
They are a wolf.
Yeah, that's a wolf.
Yeah, that stems from a wolf.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
That's a carnivore.
It will eat us if it getshungry enough, like I've always
seen.
I saw something like that onsocial media years ago your dog
for like a week.
Like.
Obviously we're not condoningto stop feeding your dog right
now but like somebody who wasjust, you know, going on the
wolf thing.
They're like if you stopfeeding your dog for like a week
maybe, maybe even less thanthat, it'll start looking at you
(19:13):
like a piece of steak.
Like you know, cause thatnatural instinct will just kind
of come back in.
So I don't know if that that'ssomething you guys you know it's
actually funny.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
You say that too, because that's one of the things
I have this postcard.
I should have brought it withme.
I have like a myths-bustingpostcard.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I should have brought , oh nice.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
That's one of the things People think that their
dog's going to turn into, likethis bloodthirsty hound and like
come and eat them, and it'slike no, they're not Like.
They don't want to eat humans.
They want, you know, like, ifmore likely if we all drop dead
right.
Humans dropped out apocalypse.
The dogs are going to go huntrabbits and quails and, like
(19:50):
anything that is, speciesappropriate.
They're going to go hunt andkill something outside Right.
Yeah, um, so there's that.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
That's another myth.
And then, um, it's not.
Yeah, the again piggybackingoff that there's no, your dog's
not going to want to eat you.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, just cause it's getting a raw diet.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
It tasted blood.
No, it's good.
It's first taste.
It doesn't work like that.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Like a shark.
Like you start bleeding, it'slike, oh, it's going to smell my
blood.
I've tested it, actually I'vedone my finger.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I'm like here's Zeus here and he's like get that away
from me.
That's not good.
So were you.
It's cool Cause, like you know,you're bringing a lot of like
scientific sort of points.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Were you always kind of interested in that, Like from
the start, or like was thatsomething that just developed
through?
Like you know, you workingthrough the company.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
No, that's just who I am as a person.
I am a researcher and I love tolearn and I'm like, yeah,
always up to date on the newstuff, but honestly, most of the
new stuff is ancient stuff, ifyou know what I mean we're
relearning this stuff, so yeah,we're going the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
For a while now it's kind of turning around, yeah,
yeah, I don't know why we weregoing the wrong way, but that's
another.
That's another episode.
That's another episode,straight up Tune in for part two
.
We will be having it.
Where we went wrong.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, where we went wrong as humans, cool.
So I feel like we kind of askedthis one.
But how do you start and easepeople into their dogs, into a
raw food diet?
I know you mentionedconsultations and stuff, so is
that kind of like a longerprocess or you kind of knock
that out in one day and just getfamiliar with your dog, or you
know what's the process withstarting someone on?
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Yeah, so we do offer the consultation.
It's a 30 minute consultation.
That's for people who are kindof like either they don't know
anything about raw but they knowthey want to start and they
just want to, like, pick mybrain, get all their questions
answered.
Or people, like I said, withpuppies or multiple dogs.
Like how can I feed all my dogs, your food?
yeah, that's a good one, um, butlike, let's say, I'm at an
event and people see our boothand they come over and like
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they're like, oh, I don't knowabout this, right, I, the way
that I help them transition intoit or like get warm up to the
idea, is really just like thatcommon sense piece of like hey,
your dog's built for this.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Like what would they eat if we weren't here?
You know, like he's a wildanimal.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Well, and and then, um, another big piece that
people are like I don't want totouch it, like we have also.
We have like people who arevegan and they're like my dog I
get that I'm vegan, but I knowmy dog's not supposed to be and
I really commend people for that, because there's vegan dog food
and vegan cat food and I'm likethat is neglect.
(22:31):
Yeah, no, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I hate when I hear people say oh my dog's vegan too
.
Or it's you know it's.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
You know.
It's like why, yeah, like why,yeah?
Can we look at their teeth fora moment?
Yeah, they don't have.
Like, we have a mouth like acow.
We chew your circle motionright to chew plant matter.
Our dogs have an alligatormouth yep, with sharp razor
teeth.
They are only built to like,shred and chew and rip apart
meat every way you look at it,it's like right there, right, so
(23:03):
it's, it's it's touching onthose points with people.
And then they're kind of like,oh okay, I see and I get it
right.
And then, yeah, the, the veganthing.
They're like I don't want totouch it, I don't want to like,
have to like, scoop it and likeand I'm like, okay, like, look
at our packaging, I would have apackage here yeah, and'm like
you, just have to cut this openand pour it in the, in the bowl
and like it's done Right.
(23:24):
So um you know handling.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, yeah, exactly yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Like, you just have to cut it open and put it in the
bowl.
It's not like one of those likethere's other things that come
in like a bag and then you haveto like yeah and and like
possibly get the tubes likethose, like fresh pet tubes like
oh, I hate the.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, the fresh pet tubes are rough.
I'm not a.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I'm not a vegan but like sometimes even me, like
cooking chicken, you know, likeraw chicken.
I'm like this is kind of nastyyou know.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So like that's cool, hey, just wash your hands.
You know, if it touches, likejust wash your hands.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
That was another myth , too, is that people are like
what about my family?
Like touching mommy andda-da-da.
And same thing that you do foryour own family, and if you're
plant-based, then I get it sure,but same idea, right, wash your
hands.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Use hot soapy water.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
If you're letting kids help, you wash their hands
too, oh yeah, right.
Simple and just too.
Oh, yeah, right, um.
And simple just check whoyou're sourcing from.
Make sure it's clean.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah.
Clean sourcing so very cool,absolutely, yeah.
So I mean we all learned washyour hands and what like
preschool, kindergarten, youknow.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So just like keep it going Working at like
restaurants you have to take,like the oh the food handling,
the food handling certification.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, yeah, exactly Something like that, yeah, oh
yeah, done that yeah.
I've been in there a couple oftimes.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Cool.
So, um, we actually found youthrough, uh, one of our other
lovely guests, uh, stephanie.
Um, she feeds her dogs uh yourfood, which is so cool.
Um, so one thing that she wastelling us that actually like
really kind of surprised me,cause I had no idea about this,
but she was saying that it'simportant to kind of switch up
the proteins that your dogs eatUm.
(25:11):
So how, how did you come acrossthat information and, like you
know, do you have any other likekind of tidbits regarding that?
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah, um, I also left this out earlier, but so when I
left corporate world, I wentback to school and studied
animal nutrition, so that'simportant.
Um and so that's where I learnedit right how important variety
is, especially, I mean, in allof our diet.
Like humans, dogs like it'simportant to get different
varieties right.
So, um, but actually, with dogsspecifically, if you feed one
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protein, they're more likely todevelop allergies down the road,
which is actually weird becausethat's what we do a lot, you
know, culturally.
We feed our dog likes thechicken recipe.
That's all they get.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
They get the chicken recipe.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
They love it.
That's it Done.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
I'm guilty of that for sure.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
And so and it says on the bag right, this is
everything you need, you don'tneed to do anything else, and so
I'm actually a big proponent oflike no, switch it up.
The more variety the better.
The more you know like macroand micronutrients you're
getting by switching up theprotein that you're using In our
(26:22):
food.
In Pure Life Raw's food, we usethree different types of organs
.
A lot of other raw foods areonly doing one or two.
So we're getting threedifferent types of organs in
their liver, kidney and spleen.
Um, and then switching up thebones that you're using.
So, like you want, we do rawturkey necks, we do raw chicken
necks, we do duck frame bones,so also switching.
So not only are you switchingthe protein, but you're
switching the cut of the meatalso um, yeah, and so like thigh
(26:46):
meat versus like trim versus,um you know, pork shoulder, they
all have different fat contentsand different micronutrients,
so it's very important to switchup.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, that's so interesting I'm just like I've
never heard that before.
Yeah and then step.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Stephanie really opened our eyes about that.
But yeah, go ahead.
What were you going to say?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, no, but I mean we were talking about this a
little bit earlier like offcamera, but like the allergy
aspect of it.
Like we notice a lot of chickenallergies these days.
It just seems to be likeincreasingly common.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Do you come across that a lot?
Speaker 4 (27:24):
It's definitely a common fear.
I would say a lot of people justlike assume that their dog has
allergies, like my dog'sallergic to chicken, like I just
know it, and I, and I'm notsaying that's not true because
it is the most common um, butpeople are really afraid of
chicken these days and I'm like,okay, well, hold on, like let's
take a look at this right andso and so um again, two things
with the chicken allergy.
Number one is if you're feedingchicken and only chicken, it's
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definitely not ideal.
Chicken is higher in omega six,so if you're not balancing that
with omega three, it's proinflammatory.
So you want to be balancingthat, which means either
switching proteins If you'reonly feeding a chicken recipe,
it means, like bare minimum,adding in some fish.
I say fish, not fish oil,because that's not great, but
okay um to balance because, fishis high in omega-3.
(28:12):
So it's all about balance,right?
So, um, there's that piece.
And then, obviously, sourcingchicken recipes and stuff are
more likely to have a lowquality chicken and be what was
that?
Um, what are the otheringredients in the food?
A lot of the time, people arefeeding a chicken kibble or a
chicken wet food or a chickencooked food and they're pointing
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their finger at the chicken,but it's really the grains and
the vegetables and thesupplements that are in the
recipe, so a lot of the timeswhen you're feeding a cooked
version of a protein, they dofine with the raw version.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
So it's important to go through trial and error with
that Interesting, do you?
Guys do like freeze-dried foodat all.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
We don't.
We do all raw food, and thenour treats are dehydrated.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Okay, yeah, dehydrated, yeah, that's the
best way to.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
That's really interesting.
And, off that topic too, I'mlike thinking how does that?
I mean it probably doesn't.
They just eat whatever theywant in the wild, right?
So like, how does that apply?
Of, like you've got to changetheir proteins.
But I'm assuming they wouldjust change their proteins like
back in the day, like a wolf,like he, you know, eats a rabbit
, eats a quail, you know and,but then seasons change.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Yeah, exactly Like what's available to them in the
winter.
Gotcha Is kind of that sameprocess in a way.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
And then you mentioned like two different
parts of the meat as well,they're eating the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Yeah, exactly, okay, yeah, and like and I want to
point to that too is that like?
Yeah, there may be a sort ofmonths right where, in theory,
this wolf is eating only rabbits?
And that's all he's getting.
And then he's also.
He's fasting a lot of the time,which is also okay for our dogs,
which we don't do yeah which isnatural for them to to fast
(29:53):
occasionally, um, but the pointI was trying to make was, as it
leaves my brain is um, yeah,that as, as the seasons change,
right, they'll get a differentum, a different type of meal and
they're also eating the entirething, right, and we are looking
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at nature and trying our bestto recreate that, but
understanding that there isbenefit in modern technology and
modern knowledge, right, we cantake that and make it better.
We can take what they would eatin the wild and marry the
ancestry with the science tomake it a complete and balanced
diet right, so we have that.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, to our advantage.
Shout out to human scienceStraight up.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Using our brains to help, it's not all bad.
Shout out to human science,straight up.
You know, using our brains tohelp, it's not all bad.
Yeah, exactly no, definitelynot yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
But yeah, no, I just wanted to point that out because
it's, it's interesting you knowjust all that how it can be
effective and like that's a andstuff which is great.
I'm always fascinated by wolves.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I mean, he's so ugly, I swear, I think he's got some
wolf in him.
Yeah, he's got some wolf in him, man.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
We went camping this weekend and there's I don't know
if you've heard, but all thewolf packs that are back in
California and stuff.
And we went to Sequoia NationalForest and that's where one of
them is residing right now and Iwas just like this is Holding
your breath.
I was like I'm used to bearsbecause I go camping every
summer.
I'm just used to bears andstuff.
I was like wolves are adifferent, that's a different
beast Stealth mode.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Are we meeting some sort of family members?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
No, yeah, so I went to the ranger station and asked
them and I was like, hey, I knowI might be freaking out, but
and I was like, yeah, okay, cool, I have a shepherd.
They're like, oh yeah, theywould take him in as his own for
sure.
She's like, oh yeah, he looksexactly like him.
I was like, oh my gosh, they'reso territorial too.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I was going to say probably the opposite.
That's what I told her.
I was like it's going to be theopposite.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah exactly us.
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I justthought that was interesting too
.
It's really cool to see wolvescoming back into california too,
you know, and yeah but scary atthe same time.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Definitely scary.
I wonder how it'll affect umthe food chain.
Like, yeah, like the farmersand stuff that's.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
That's the biggest struggle right now actually is
like a lot of the farmers up inthe baker's field you know
sequoia area, yeah, um, centralcalifornia and stuff're they're
getting hit hard.
It's.
They're like it's helping withthe coyotes but our cattle's
gone.
Our pigs are gone, like theyjust come out to a blood bath on
their property because the packcame and just did what they
(32:31):
wanted you know how do wemitigate that.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Yeah, and that's crazy from our meddling.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Exactly Right, and I don't even know what they're
doing anyway, like you know theycould be it's been a hundred
years Like what's their goal.
You know what.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Like are they here to just hunt like they used to, or
are they here to do somethingelse?
Like we don't know, and eventhe ranger station, like we
don't have enough research onthem.
We don't really know whatthey're doing either and it's
like okay, sorry to go off on adifferent topic there.
I mean, I guess dogs and foodand stuff, but cool, so moving
(33:09):
along for someone wanting to doa DIY their raw food.
What precautions would shouldthey take, or would you
recommend them to take?
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Yeah, do your research they take or would you
recommend them to take?
Yeah, um, do your research.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I am not, you know a proponent of like you should
just feed your dog raw foodperiod, like you should.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
But you should do your research.
You should, you know.
If you have no idea what you'redoing, get some guidance, read
some.
There's great books out there.
There's a book called theForever Dog.
That's a wonderful book.
It has a lot of DIY recipes inthere that you can follow.
You know, follow some holisticveterinarians and just take some
time to like read up on itRight and look for good
(33:57):
resources.
Primal Pooch is another goodresource, and if you're lucky to
find somebody who doesconsultations like me um to a
consultation right.
So um, because that's like, ifyou're like I really don't want
to do all of this and I justwant somebody to set it up for
me, consult's a great, greatthing to do, um, but for
(34:17):
somebody who's like I want tostart this and like really know
what I'm doing, yeah, pick up abook, get in a good resource.
Um, there's a great documentarycalled the truth about pet food
, um, and so I'd start there andthen with things to be cautious
about gosh you guys are inmarketing, maybe sourcing look
(34:39):
through the marketing.
Like read between the lines ifyou can.
I'm trying to think of, if Ican highlight like three things
to look for in a raw food.
I'd say they're all debatable,though that's why I'm like, but
my three things.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Right, I'm the guest.
Okay, absolutely, this is myexpertise.
Take it away, but my threethings right.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I'm the guest.
Okay, yeah, absolutely, this ismy expertise.
Take it away.
The three things are.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Make sure to ask if the pet food does HPP.
Hpp is high-pressurepasteurization.
It means putting the food in achamber that puts it under like
80,000 PSI.
This is like talking 10 timesthe depth of the ocean to kill
(35:23):
bacteria.
Yeah that, that's no longer araw food product.
It's all the bacteria is dead,good and bad.
Um.
So HPP, while it does make thefood quote unquote safer, um, it
arguably makes it not raw.
So I, personally, I would lookfor no HPP, no vegetables or
(35:45):
vitamin premixes in the food.
I feel like I have to say why.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, please no veggies.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
No veggies and no premixes in the food.
Why?
Because some dogs do good withvegetables and some don't.
If they should have vegetablesat all, they should be.
In my professional opinion,they should be fermented
vegetables, Because if a dog inthe wild was going to eat
vegetables at all, it would beinside the rabbit's stomach
already digested Vegetables arereally common allergens and they
(36:17):
cause discomfort in dogs.
Interesting and they go underthe radar.
Yeah, and that's not to say,you should not feed your dog
Like he just gets carrots everyonce in a while.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, he does fine with it.
But that's kind of going backto the vegan stuff we were
talking about.
You know it's like oh no,they're carnivores, Like you
know, that should be primary.
Right.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
So if you're looking for a without synthetic vitamin
premixes, why?
Because, again, with those theycan be low quality vitamin
mixes.
They a lot of the times havetoo much, and if so, let's say
you have your raw food, it'scovering all your bases, right?
But, like maybe you know, youcan't feed lamb because it's too
(36:57):
high in fat and then you needto fill in a gap there, right?
You don't want to use a vitaminpremix that just has like a
crap load of everything, becausethen you may be giving them too
much.
So I always recommend doing abrand with no supplements,
because you can add in things toyour dog's diet if you want to
supplement with whole foods, solike eggs or fish or you know,
(37:22):
um, uh, fermented veggies if youwant to do that, so um, no HPP,
no veggies, or um, pre-mixes ofvitamin mixes.
And you know I had a differentanswer, but I think I'm going to
go with.
Like you know, I had a differentanswer, but I think I'm going
(37:43):
to go with like stay local likestay, go for a small company,
because they're the ones who aredoing it right and doing it
with, like, everything behindthem.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
And the bigger companies are just making it
cheaper.
They're doing anything thatthey can to make it cheaper.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
So, definitely.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
I think it's like a passion thing too, you know,
like you're passionate about itand you're passionate about the
health of dogs too, whereasthese big companies maybe they,
you know, they're not soconcerned with that as much as
like right making money and youtook your own time to get
educated on this topic too andstuff you know and really
showing your, your customers,that you know right.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I took the customers that you know right.
I took the yeah you care, youknow, versus yeah, the big big
pharma I guess big big pet foodcompanies you know just trying
to make the buck and yeah, andcutting corners wherever they
can and I know almost all myclients are.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Obviously we ship nationwide.
We have clients across thecountry.
But, um, you know I, we knowour clients and we have their
best interest, right.
And so, yeah, I'd say like, gofor a smaller company that you
know isn't cutting corners, thatyou can talk to somebody and
ask the questions.
Um, ingredients are superimportant in making sure there's
whole cut meats ingredients inthe food.
(38:55):
Make sure, like when you readon the label, does it say bone,
but not specifically which bone,because that probably means
that it's bone dust, it's somesort of synthetic powder right
gotcha so yeah, so those threeno hpp, no veggies or premixes,
and shop local, shop smallbeautiful, amazing.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
We love it.
Yeah, cool definitely.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I feel like I'm ready to jump on not, not me
personally, but my dog, Like Isaid.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I was like we'll be talking after this.
I'll definitely come get aconsultation with my girlfriend,
my girlfriend's huge holistichuman side and dog side too.
So she was the one who reallywas like I think we need to put
him on a raw diet.
He's a wolf, we'll be coming byfor sure.
Sounds great, cool, and thendid we want to ask one more?
(39:43):
I think Best experience.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Zeus can show his face a little more.
Zeus come here, he's a sleepyboy, we want to do it.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
We want to do it, zeus.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Oh, sleepy, boy.
He's like wait, we're stilldoing this yeah, he's like we're
still doing this.
Yeah, he's like we're still thetreats come out.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
We're still doing this, mr Zeus, he's a handsome
guy.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
What are we doing?
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Got to show some face .
So a question that we like toask all of our guests,
especially the ones you know whobring their dogs on what is
your most memorable experiencewith Zeus?
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Oh, that's a good one .
We have taken him so manyplaces and done so many things
and I think my favorite it hasto be taking him on camping
trips to the river and justseeing him be a free, frolicking
dog.
I have this image in my brain.
(40:35):
We were up in the SequoiasQuaking, aspen Campground, nice.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Kern no, it's close to Kern.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Okay and no, it's close to Kern.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Yeah, it's close to Kern and him just frolicking
through the forest like a freewolf, so for sure like taking
him camping.
He's our road dog through andthrough.
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, put him in the natural habitat, just letting
him be himself.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
That is the best.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, free, yeah yeah , no, a dog, a wolf a dog.
Yeah, good boy, zeus, awesome.
Well, thank you very much forjoining the potty talk podcast.
We really appreciate it and yougave a lot of great information
.
So everybody listening,wherever you're tuning in.
Um, if you are watching onyoutube, make sure to hit that
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Drop a comment if you have anyquestions.
It sounds like we might have apart two with you.
We could definitely keeptalking about this stuff.
So if you have any questionsfor her, please drop them in the
comments.
Um, check out pure life rawfood in camarillo.
Um, and then also follow themon social media.
Follow us at Fresh Patch onevery social media If you want
(41:44):
to give a little shout out foryours go ahead, yeah, at Pure
Life Raw, facebook, instagram,google.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Yeah, come find us, come find them, get that
consultation.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Like she said, they do ship nationwide as well.
So if you're not in SouthernCalifornia, don't worry, I'm
sure they got you covered.
So, yeah, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
And definitely you know.
I just want to say thank youbecause you know we obviously
work with.
You know dog potty, and itsounds like what you're doing is
making the dog's potty a littlebit healthier, which helps us
out too.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
So thank you for that .
Less messes on the patch withthe raw food diet, cool, well,
yeah, thank you, and thanks toeveryone else for tuning in, and
we'll catch you on the nextepisode.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Cool.
Thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
All right, welcome everybody to the Potty Talk
Podcast.
All right, welcome everybody tothe Potty Talk podcast.
This is episode 10, and we haveanother special guest, but I
will introduce myself first.
My name is Drew, marketingdirector here at Fresh Patch,
and this is.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
My name is Gabe, I am the partnership coordinator and
, as Drew mentioned, we have anamazing entrepreneurial guest
today.
If you wouldn't mindintroducing yourself, Sure.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Hi, my name is Pamela .
I am the CEO and founder ofPure Life Raw.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Awesome Thank you for yeah, thank you for joining and
hope you've enjoyed your timeso far.
I know we got a little crazywith my dog at the beginning,
but you know Stella's workingout and stuff.
But and if the camera can't seebut Zeus, yeah, zeus, come here
.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
He's underneath the coffee table.
He'll make an appearance soon.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yes, there we go we'll zoom in on the whenever
you're ready, zeus, but we dohave a dog guest as well, so
thank you for bringing zeus.
We always love a good, a goodlab to be in our presence, so
I'm a sucker for a chocolate lab.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
What can I say?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
yeah, yeah black lab was my first dog, so any lab,
I'm like yeah, yes, yes, they,they're great, yes, they are so
cool.
Yeah, we're just going to divein and talk about some questions
towards your business andeverything, but before yeah, raw
dog food and all that, butbefore we get into that, I just
wanted to take a little break.
We've got to give a shout outto the little ad break for the
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Speaker 2 (02:12):
All right, cool.
So yeah, thank you for joiningand we will get things started,
gabe, if you want to start usoff with yeah, yeah, absolutely
so.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Um, you know, we were talking a little bit before we
got on here, but you have such acool story, so I think what we
want to really learn about islike your story of like how your
company came to be and like howyou got into this field and all
that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah, yeah, the the story really starts with me
having two cats who I loveddearly.
They were like my first pets ofmy own, and so I, you know, was
taking really good care of them.
(02:57):
I did all the things you know anew like we were talking about
meow me would do.
And my cats were very young,only less than two years old and
they kept getting sick.
So what do you do?
You take your pet to the vet,kept going to the vet, was
getting prescription diets.
Not only was it not working, itwas making it worse.
And so one day my cat, Callie,was like curled up in the closet
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, really lethargic, wouldn't eat, was vomiting, just really,
really sick.
And that day I was like I needto figure this out and I'm
obviously not getting what Ineed from the resources that I
have.
So I dove into research, cameacross a very old school blog
about raw feeding, and then Iwas like, OK, this makes sense,
(03:43):
Like it's just as common sense.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
What would our animals eat in the wild?
Do that, right, um.
And so then I switched theirdiet to um a raw diet.
I was making the food allmyself, um, at first, and I used
a couple different raw products.
There was not a lot of rawproducts on the market back then
, cause I started it before.
Raw feeding was cool.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, ahead of the trend.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah, and so, um, anyways, fast forward.
I fed my cats.
It was a 180.
They were a hundred percentbetter.
Um, fast forward.
I got a dog.
He was on raw right from thebeginning and I was doing this
all myself and I was in thetransition.
So I used to be in corporateworlds, uh, marketing, um, at
this company called Saatchi, andthen I was in the transition.
So I used to be in corporateworld, marketing at this company
called Saatchi, and then I wasin between there and like my
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next move, and somebody hadasked me, like, what would you
do if you could do anything?
And I'd be like I was like, oh,easy, well, I'd have like a raw
pet food company.
And then he was like, so whydon't you do that?
And I was like, oh, why not?
So then I started it and westarted in like our converted
garage, made it, built out akitchen and started making
everything ourself and in ourown house.
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And then, um, we grew fromthere and opened up the
warehouse in 2019.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Man, that is so cool and it's so perfect too, Cause,
like raw dog food diets are likelike you were saying, it's it's
cool, now it's trendy.
So kind of did it at like theright time.
Yeah, Um.
So when was that that?
Um, the company came to be?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
2017.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Nice, yeah.
So we are what Eight years,yeah, eight years now Nice.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Congrats.
Yeah, sounds a little familiarto fresh patch too, cause there
was a lot of garage uh, you know, know operations when this
company first started too.
So I feel like the bestbusinesses started in the garage
yeah, definitely microsoft yeahapple you know, I mean all of
them.
Yeah, so cool.
Yeah, congrats, that's reallycool and you're local too, which
is nice, I know.
When we found you too, I waslike, oh man, I really want to
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talk to you because, yeah, wetried to do a raw food dog uh
diet with oak and stuff, and itwas just we didn't do it correct
, like we just went cold Turkeyand like we didn't like wean him
off his other food and it wasjust like, oh gosh, this is it
got nasty, like his poopsweren't good and stuff.
So we just stopped and wentback to what we, you know,
currently do and stuff.
(05:59):
But yeah, we'll, we'll talkmore after the podcast.
I'm Camarillo too, so it'd beperfect.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yeah, yeah, and that's one of the cool things
too is that I offerconsultations along with the.
It's not just the raw pet foodand we're like here, buy this,
buy you know we offerconsultations too, and so that
is really helpful to a lot ofpeople who are kind of like
going through trial and errortrying to figure it out, and
then you know you get theongoing support of like okay,
(06:25):
let's troubleshoot together whatdo you?
Need to add.
What should we remove?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
et cetera.
That's really cool.
That is really cool.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
So you had mentioned earlier that you had interviewed
some veterinarians.
Have you talked to them muchabout like the raw food diet and
like just like the sort ofscientific benefits of it?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yeah, so the veterinarian that I interviewed.
She actually recently moved toHolland, but she was working on
a calabasas, that's a cool move.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I know Well her husband's from there and she was
like I hate the way that theydo things here.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
So we're moving to Holland and we're like I hear
you right you got room for onemore.
Yeah, so yeah, I mean that was.
I'm happy you asked that.
It's the main reason Iinterviewed her, because we were
looking for, like a holisticveterinarian who is well-versed
or at least familiar with rawfeeding.
Because the problem is, a lotof veterinarians traditional
veterinarians are not familiarwith raw feeding.
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It scares them andunfortunately, the very few
nutritional hours that they haveare funded by big pet food.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Of course Royal.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Canin science diet so of course you know, yeah, yeah,
but so the interview that I didwith her, yeah, we were asking
her, you know about, in yourpractice, what have you seen
with animals who are fed a rawdiet and how do you support that
?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
and, um, yeah, it was very, a very interesting
conversation yeah, that's,that's super cool and it's funny
that you mentioned like it kindof scares them a little bit
because I remember when I firstheard about it I was like that
doesn't seem right.
You know, like I wouldn't eatraw food, like.
But then you know, likethinking about it, like you were
saying like what they would eatin the wild, I'm like, okay,
that makes so much more sense.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So it kind of took away that they cook anything in
the wild, you know?
Yeah, they don't know how tocook.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
They haven't gotten to the you know the inventing
fire stage, yet yeah, right yeah, exactly, still in the bronze
age.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, that's really cool, awesome.
Well, um, yeah, we'll just movedown our list of questions.
Going on with number two, I'lltake this one why should dog
owners consider raw food fortheir dog and what are the
benefits?
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Okay, well, piggybacking off of the common
sense thing, I mean it reallydoesn't have to get a whole lot
more complicated than that.
It's like if you want your dogto be healthy from the get-go
and you know the goal isprevention right, because there
are so many issues and healthissues and disease with our pets
(08:59):
right.
And so the goal is preventingall that.
That's the main one.
You want to feed them whatthey're designed to eat, to
prevent any of those diseasesfrom being able to take over or
any other ailments.
Um, another benefit, I'd say ahuman benefit, right, your dog
stinks less.
Your dog sheds less.
Your dog's poops are smallerand less frequent, their pee
(09:21):
doesn't smell as bad.
Um, so those are like the humanbenefits of overall, your pet
is less gross.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Those are great.
There he is, Everybody.
This is Zeus there's.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Zeus.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Everybody Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Handsome guy over here.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah, yeah, and I'd say that's the main thing.
It's preventing disease andsetting your pet up for a very
healthy, high quality life.
Those are the biggest benefits.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Nice, well, those, those are great benefits,
especially for the human too.
I mean I know people would lovethat, but for the dog too.
I mean, yeah, send them out tojust be as healthy as possible
for their entire life, you know,and that's we want our dogs to
live forever.
I mean, you know, and you knowyou guys are doing that, at the
least prolonging that experience.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
For, for you know, dog owners and stuff so that's
really awesome and so you youmentioned, like uh, prevention,
so obviously like it's best tostart them off as puppies yes as
drew mentioned, like sometimesthere can be a sort of like
transitional period in yourexperience.
Like what, what does that looklike?
Speaker 4 (10:20):
so, yeah, I actually found it interesting, um, that
you mentioned that with your dog.
So most dogs do okay with acold turkey transition.
Not all of them do, obviously.
I'm curious to know, like, atwhat point you did it.
Was it recently that you didthat?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
No, it's been a few months now.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Okay, but he's what?
How old is he?
He's eight Okay right, so laterin his life is my point.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
So if if you're feeding your dog for lack of a
better term, speaking layman'sterms right Processed food at
some point.
Every food is processed.
At this point, even raw food isminimally processed, right.
But so, like kibble, dry food,wet food, even cooked food, all
of it has it's processed food,right, it's not in its raw form.
If they're eating that fortheir whole life, then their
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like gut microbiome isn't asplentiful.
The digestive enzymes in theirdigestive tract are not as
plentiful, so the acidity intheir stomach might not be as
acidic as it naturally would be.
So there's a lot of reasons thatlater down the line in their
life, if you're doing atransition, their body's like
(11:30):
whoa, whoa, whoa.
What the hell?
Is this Right and honestly?
That may happen for a raw feddog too, if you feed them,
kibble their stomach might belike what the hell is this yeah?
But um in the same breath alldogs.
Some of them have like just aniron tank of a stomach and can
take anything.
You know, we've all, we allknow dogs like that, so I lost
track with what the question was.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Oh no, worries, Just like what the process of
transitioning them on the rawfood is like Transitioning right
.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
So yeah, so with puppies, yes, they wean right
from mama's milk to raw food andthat looks a little bit
different.
That's part of theconsultations aspect is like you
don't want to just like feedyour brand new puppy, whatever,
right it has to be um Iencourage it to be supported
with somebody who can help youadd in the right things.
(12:16):
But um, yes, um, for you know,lack of going on and on.
They definitely can switchright to raw food from a puppy
and then with older dogssometimes there's a transition.
But I always encourage peoplelike you know your dog you know,
if your dog can handle and alsoif you do like a shorter
transition, like you can alwayspull back Right, and the main
thing is like having support indoing that.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Am.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I doing this right?
Should I try a differentprotein?
Do I need to add a probioticLike?
Yeah, for sure yeah, thetransition question is kind of
like you could go cold turkeymost of the time, but sometimes
it's more.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
It's more of like a case-by-case kind of thing yeah.
Well, that's cool, that makessense.
So we already kind of touchedon this.
But like what are some sort oflike misconceptions or things
people get wrong about raw dogfood?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
diets.
Yeah, I'm trying to think abouthow I want to answer this.
Well, I think that it all comesfrom a really good place.
We all want what's best for ourfamilies.
That includes our animals, ourpets, and the topic of raw can
be scary because you think rawmeat, you think immediately like
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bacteria, right?
E coli, salmonella Um, youthink you know what about the
bone?
Isn't that dangerous, right?
So there's the different thingsof like.
The fear around raw feeding wasmore prevalent before.
It's not as much now.
Um, because of what pet foodshave been doing to the raw food,
(13:44):
because they've been making ita bunch of safe things which are
arguably not raw, but anyways.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, that's a whole other conversation.
I digress.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
So question again.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Oh, what are some misconceptions about raw food,
misconceptions, thank you.
Yeah, no worries.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
So the fear around raw misconceptions.
So I'll start with where I was,like the bacteria question.
It's kind of like a two-pieceanswer, right.
So not too long ago theprevalence of salmonella and E
coli like the recalls for petfood, were more common in kibble
and wet food for those thingsIronically right?
(14:28):
You think no in the.
The raw food, like the cooking,kills the bacteria right.
But the key there and that'schanged now because the fda is
going crazy on raw food but umbut the key there is the um
sourcing.
So anything that is not fit forhuman consumption is what goes
into kibble and wet food.
So I'm gonna say that againanything that is not fit for
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human consumption is what goesinto pet food that is cheese not
good.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
That means, oh my gosh that means roadkill.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
That means animals that died, other than what is
the wording?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
on the FDA.
It's um yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Other than by slaughter, so thinking like farm
animals right, like they diedin the cage because of some
disease, they they weren'tslaughtered for consumption.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
So that is the stuff that's going into pet food.
That's horrible.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
That is so.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Sourcing is crucial, and it's like, okay, this kind
of makes sense that thoseanimals were infected with
something, so the recalls couldbe more common, right?
Even after you burn it to acrisp and then add a bunch of
supplements in there, it's likeit was still gross from the
beginning.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
It was still rotten, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
You know low quality.
So, but with raw food, again,not every raw food is created
the same.
But sourcing is still, if noteven more, critical.
Right, when are you getting themeat from?
Are you getting it locally?
What's the processing time onit?
And if you're getting it from acleaner source, the pets, the
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animals that you're using, theingredients, they're a lot
higher quality, they're a lotless likely to have those
bacteria.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Now, after that, after sourcing, it's like with
the processing thing.
It's like you know how quicklyyou're freezing the food, how
often it's made At Pure Life Raw.
Everything is made to order, sowe don't make it until you
order it.
Um, and sourcing is coming fromsmall farms up in Petaluma,
california, and so it's all very, very fresh and very, very
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clean.
Our dogs are eating better thanus.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, that was going to be my next question about,
like the sourcing of where youguys like cause you mentioned
that seems like such a big partof the process and ensuring that
it's like healthy for our dogsyeah, sourcing is really
important.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Um, I'm just sorry, my brain's popping.
It's reminding me of freshpatch too like we say the same
thing you know, we want it asfresh as possible.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
That's why we source it very locally and we have it
here and it's shipped same dayand everything you know, and
we're not packaging it untilthat order comes in and
everything.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
So very similar you know types of Right, and that's
why I had questions for you whenI first got here.
I'm like okay, yeah, theshipping like it's a fresh
product and all that yeah.
Yeah, sourcing is superimportant and again forgot your
question.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Oh yeah, we were talking about misconceptions.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Misconceptions.
Okay, yeah, so the othermisconception we said was like
oh wait, and I had one morepoint about the bacteria stuff.
That's what it was.
Yeah, so on salmonella and Ecoli.
The other factor to that isyour dog is a carnivore.
Your dog is built to withstandbacteria a lot better than us.
(17:48):
Their digestive tract is lessthan half of ours, Wow, so
everything that goes in goes outa lot faster.
The acidity in their stomach islike don't quote me on this
like 10 times, if not moreacidic than ours.
So it kills bacteria.
It's built to withstand it alot better than ours.
So it kills bacteria.
It's built to withstand it alot better than ours.
And so that's the other piece isthat if your dog is exposed to
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Salmonella E coli not every time, but most of the time they
might get a bout of diarrhea.
They might throw up the food.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Yeah, and then they'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, their body knows how to react.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Their body knows how to like get it out and be done
with it.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Right, it's not like us where it's sitting in our
digestive tract for a lot longer, spreading.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
And we're doing this thing, yeah, giving it time.
That makes a lot of sense.
Wow, very interesting.
So yeah, you guys are built,built tough down there, I wish I
wish I could just seriously, Ineed a dog's digestive.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I mean, we humanize them in like the best ways,
right, like they're part of ourfamily and they sleep in our
beds and like we put them inlike the best ways, right, like
they're part of our family andthey sleep in our beds, and like
we put them in cute littleoutfits right, but like they're
still a dog.
They are a wolf.
Yeah, that's a wolf.
Yeah, that stems from a wolf.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
That's a carnivore.
It will eat us if it getshungry enough, like I've always
seen.
I saw something like that onsocial media years ago your dog
for like a week.
Like.
Obviously we're not condoningto stop feeding your dog right
now but like somebody who wasjust, you know, going on the
wolf thing.
They're like if you stopfeeding your dog for like a week
maybe, maybe even less thanthat, it'll start looking at you
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like a piece of steak.
Like you know, cause thatnatural instinct will just kind
of come back in.
So I don't know if that that'ssomething you guys you know it's
actually funny.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
You say that too, because that's one of the things
I have this postcard.
I should have brought it withme.
I have like a myths-bustingpostcard.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I should have brought , oh nice.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
That's one of the things People think that their
dog's going to turn into, likethis bloodthirsty hound and like
come and eat them, and it'slike no, they're not Like.
They don't want to eat humans.
They want, you know, like, ifmore likely if we all drop dead
right.
Humans dropped out apocalypse.
The dogs are going to go huntrabbits and quails and, like
(19:50):
anything that is, speciesappropriate.
They're going to go hunt andkill something outside Right.
Yeah, um, so there's that.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
That's another myth.
And then, um, it's not.
Yeah, the again piggybackingoff that there's no, your dog's
not going to want to eat you.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, just cause it's getting a raw diet.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
It tasted blood.
No, it's good.
It's first taste.
It doesn't work like that.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Like a shark.
Like you start bleeding, it'slike, oh, it's going to smell my
blood.
I've tested it, actually I'vedone my finger.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I'm like here's Zeus here and he's like get that away
from me.
That's not good.
So were you.
It's cool Cause, like you know,you're bringing a lot of like
scientific sort of points.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Were you always kind of interested in that, Like from
the start, or like was thatsomething that just developed
through?
Like you know, you workingthrough the company.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
No, that's just who I am as a person.
I am a researcher and I love tolearn and I'm like, yeah,
always up to date on the newstuff, but honestly, most of the
new stuff is ancient stuff, ifyou know what I mean we're
relearning this stuff, so yeah,we're going the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
For a while now it's kind of turning around, yeah,
yeah, I don't know why we weregoing the wrong way, but that's
another.
That's another episode.
That's another episode,straight up Tune in for part two
.
We will be having it.
Where we went wrong.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, where we went wrong as humans, cool.
So I feel like we kind of askedthis one.
But how do you start and easepeople into their dogs, into a
raw food diet?
I know you mentionedconsultations and stuff, so is
that kind of like a longerprocess or you kind of knock
that out in one day and just getfamiliar with your dog, or you
know what's the process withstarting someone on?
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Yeah, so we do offer the consultation.
It's a 30 minute consultation.
That's for people who are kindof like either they don't know
anything about raw but they knowthey want to start and they
just want to, like, pick mybrain, get all their questions
answered.
Or people, like I said, withpuppies or multiple dogs.
Like how can I feed all my dogs, your food?
yeah, that's a good one, um, butlike, let's say, I'm at an
event and people see our boothand they come over and like
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they're like, oh, I don't knowabout this, right, I, the way
that I help them transition intoit or like get warm up to the
idea, is really just like thatcommon sense piece of like hey,
your dog's built for this.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Like what would they eat if we weren't here?
You know, like he's a wildanimal.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Well, and and then, um, another big piece that
people are like I don't want totouch it, like we have also.
We have like people who arevegan and they're like my dog I
get that I'm vegan, but I knowmy dog's not supposed to be and
I really commend people for that, because there's vegan dog food
and vegan cat food and I'm likethat is neglect.
(22:31):
Yeah, no, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I hate when I hear people say oh my dog's vegan too
.
Or it's you know it's.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
You know.
It's like why, yeah, like why,yeah?
Can we look at their teeth fora moment?
Yeah, they don't have.
Like, we have a mouth like acow.
We chew your circle motionright to chew plant matter.
Our dogs have an alligatormouth yep, with sharp razor
teeth.
They are only built to like,shred and chew and rip apart
meat every way you look at it,it's like right there, right, so
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it's, it's it's touching onthose points with people.
And then they're kind of like,oh okay, I see and I get it
right.
And then, yeah, the, the veganthing.
They're like I don't want totouch it, I don't want to like,
have to like, scoop it and likeand I'm like, okay, like, look
at our packaging, I would have apackage here yeah, and'm like
you, just have to cut this openand pour it in the, in the bowl
and like it's done Right.
(23:24):
So um you know handling.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, yeah, exactly yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Like, you just have to cut it open and put it in the
bowl.
It's not like one of those likethere's other things that come
in like a bag and then you haveto like yeah and and like
possibly get the tubes likethose, like fresh pet tubes like
oh, I hate the.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, the fresh pet tubes are rough.
I'm not a.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I'm not a vegan but like sometimes even me, like
cooking chicken, you know, likeraw chicken.
I'm like this is kind of nastyyou know.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So like that's cool, hey, just wash your hands.
You know, if it touches, likejust wash your hands.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
That was another myth , too, is that people are like
what about my family?
Like touching mommy andda-da-da.
And same thing that you do foryour own family, and if you're
plant-based, then I get it sure,but same idea, right, wash your
hands.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Use hot soapy water.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
If you're letting kids help, you wash their hands
too, oh yeah, right.
Simple and just too.
Oh, yeah, right, um.
And simple just check whoyou're sourcing from.
Make sure it's clean.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah.
Clean sourcing so very cool,absolutely, yeah.
So I mean we all learned washyour hands and what like
preschool, kindergarten, youknow.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So just like keep it going Working at like
restaurants you have to take,like the oh the food handling,
the food handling certification.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, yeah, exactly Something like that, yeah, oh
yeah, done that yeah.
I've been in there a couple oftimes.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Cool.
So, um, we actually found youthrough, uh, one of our other
lovely guests, uh, stephanie.
Um, she feeds her dogs uh yourfood, which is so cool.
Um, so one thing that she wastelling us that actually like
really kind of surprised me,cause I had no idea about this,
but she was saying that it'simportant to kind of switch up
the proteins that your dogs eatUm.
(25:11):
So how, how did you come acrossthat information and, like you
know, do you have any other likekind of tidbits regarding that?
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah, um, I also left this out earlier, but so when I
left corporate world, I wentback to school and studied
animal nutrition, so that'simportant.
Um and so that's where I learnedit right how important variety
is, especially, I mean, in allof our diet.
Like humans, dogs like it'simportant to get different
varieties right.
So, um, but actually, with dogsspecifically, if you feed one
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protein, they're more likely todevelop allergies down the road,
which is actually weird becausethat's what we do a lot, you
know, culturally.
We feed our dog likes thechicken recipe.
That's all they get.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
They get the chicken recipe.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
They love it.
That's it Done.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
I'm guilty of that for sure.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
And so and it says on the bag right, this is
everything you need, you don'tneed to do anything else, and so
I'm actually a big proponent oflike no, switch it up.
The more variety the better.
The more you know like macroand micronutrients you're
getting by switching up theprotein that you're using In our
(26:22):
food.
In Pure Life Raw's food, we usethree different types of organs
.
A lot of other raw foods areonly doing one or two.
So we're getting threedifferent types of organs in
their liver, kidney and spleen.
Um, and then switching up thebones that you're using.
So, like you want, we do rawturkey necks, we do raw chicken
necks, we do duck frame bones,so also switching.
So not only are you switchingthe protein, but you're
switching the cut of the meatalso um, yeah, and so like thigh
(26:46):
meat versus like trim versus,um you know, pork shoulder, they
all have different fat contentsand different micronutrients,
so it's very important to switchup.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, that's so interesting I'm just like I've
never heard that before.
Yeah and then step.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Stephanie really opened our eyes about that.
But yeah, go ahead.
What were you going to say?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, no, but I mean we were talking about this a
little bit earlier like offcamera, but like the allergy
aspect of it.
Like we notice a lot of chickenallergies these days.
It just seems to be likeincreasingly common.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Do you come across that a lot?
Speaker 4 (27:24):
It's definitely a common fear.
I would say a lot of people justlike assume that their dog has
allergies, like my dog'sallergic to chicken, like I just
know it, and I, and I'm notsaying that's not true because
it is the most common um, butpeople are really afraid of
chicken these days and I'm like,okay, well, hold on, like let's
take a look at this right andso and so um again, two things
with the chicken allergy.
Number one is if you're feedingchicken and only chicken, it's
(27:49):
definitely not ideal.
Chicken is higher in omega six,so if you're not balancing that
with omega three, it's proinflammatory.
So you want to be balancingthat, which means either
switching proteins If you'reonly feeding a chicken recipe,
it means, like bare minimum,adding in some fish.
I say fish, not fish oil,because that's not great, but
okay um to balance because, fishis high in omega-3.
(28:12):
So it's all about balance,right?
So, um, there's that piece.
And then, obviously, sourcingchicken recipes and stuff are
more likely to have a lowquality chicken and be what was
that?
Um, what are the otheringredients in the food?
A lot of the time, people arefeeding a chicken kibble or a
chicken wet food or a chickencooked food and they're pointing
(28:33):
their finger at the chicken,but it's really the grains and
the vegetables and thesupplements that are in the
recipe, so a lot of the timeswhen you're feeding a cooked
version of a protein, they dofine with the raw version.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
So it's important to go through trial and error with
that Interesting, do you?
Guys do like freeze-dried foodat all.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
We don't.
We do all raw food, and thenour treats are dehydrated.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Okay, yeah, dehydrated, yeah, that's the
best way to.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
That's really interesting.
And, off that topic too, I'mlike thinking how does that?
I mean it probably doesn't.
They just eat whatever theywant in the wild, right?
So like, how does that apply?
Of, like you've got to changetheir proteins.
But I'm assuming they wouldjust change their proteins like
back in the day, like a wolf,like he, you know, eats a rabbit
, eats a quail, you know and,but then seasons change.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Yeah, exactly Like what's available to them in the
winter.
Gotcha Is kind of that sameprocess in a way.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
And then you mentioned like two different
parts of the meat as well,they're eating the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Yeah, exactly, okay, yeah, and like and I want to
point to that too is that like?
Yeah, there may be a sort ofmonths right where, in theory,
this wolf is eating only rabbits?
And that's all he's getting.
And then he's also.
He's fasting a lot of the time,which is also okay for our dogs,
which we don't do yeah which isnatural for them to to fast
(29:53):
occasionally, um, but the pointI was trying to make was, as it
leaves my brain is um, yeah,that as, as the seasons change,
right, they'll get a differentum, a different type of meal and
they're also eating the entirething, right, and we are looking
(30:15):
at nature and trying our bestto recreate that, but
understanding that there isbenefit in modern technology and
modern knowledge, right, we cantake that and make it better.
We can take what they would eatin the wild and marry the
ancestry with the science tomake it a complete and balanced
diet right, so we have that.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, to our advantage.
Shout out to human scienceStraight up.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Using our brains to help, it's not all bad.
Shout out to human science,straight up.
You know, using our brains tohelp, it's not all bad.
Yeah, exactly no, definitelynot yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
But yeah, no, I just wanted to point that out because
it's, it's interesting you knowjust all that how it can be
effective and like that's a andstuff which is great.
I'm always fascinated by wolves.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I mean, he's so ugly, I swear, I think he's got some
wolf in him.
Yeah, he's got some wolf in him, man.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
We went camping this weekend and there's I don't know
if you've heard, but all thewolf packs that are back in
California and stuff.
And we went to Sequoia NationalForest and that's where one of
them is residing right now and Iwas just like this is Holding
your breath.
I was like I'm used to bearsbecause I go camping every
summer.
I'm just used to bears andstuff.
I was like wolves are adifferent, that's a different
beast Stealth mode.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Are we meeting some sort of family members?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
No, yeah, so I went to the ranger station and asked
them and I was like, hey, I knowI might be freaking out, but
and I was like, yeah, okay, cool, I have a shepherd.
They're like, oh yeah, theywould take him in as his own for
sure.
She's like, oh yeah, he looksexactly like him.
I was like, oh my gosh, they'reso territorial too.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I was going to say probably the opposite.
That's what I told her.
I was like it's going to be theopposite.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah exactly us.
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I justthought that was interesting too
.
It's really cool to see wolvescoming back into california too,
you know, and yeah but scary atthe same time.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Definitely scary.
I wonder how it'll affect umthe food chain.
Like, yeah, like the farmersand stuff that's.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
That's the biggest struggle right now actually is
like a lot of the farmers up inthe baker's field you know
sequoia area, yeah, um, centralcalifornia and stuff're they're
getting hit hard.
It's.
They're like it's helping withthe coyotes but our cattle's
gone.
Our pigs are gone, like theyjust come out to a blood bath on
their property because the packcame and just did what they
(32:31):
wanted you know how do wemitigate that.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Yeah, and that's crazy from our meddling.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Exactly Right, and I don't even know what they're
doing anyway, like you know theycould be it's been a hundred
years Like what's their goal.
You know what.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Like are they here to just hunt like they used to, or
are they here to do somethingelse?
Like we don't know, and eventhe ranger station, like we
don't have enough research onthem.
We don't really know whatthey're doing either and it's
like okay, sorry to go off on adifferent topic there.
I mean, I guess dogs and foodand stuff, but cool, so moving
(33:09):
along for someone wanting to doa DIY their raw food.
What precautions would shouldthey take, or would you
recommend them to take?
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Yeah, do your research they take or would you
recommend them to take?
Yeah, um, do your research.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I am not, you know a proponent of like you should
just feed your dog raw foodperiod, like you should.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
But you should do your research.
You should, you know.
If you have no idea what you'redoing, get some guidance, read
some.
There's great books out there.
There's a book called theForever Dog.
That's a wonderful book.
It has a lot of DIY recipes inthere that you can follow.
You know, follow some holisticveterinarians and just take some
time to like read up on itRight and look for good
(33:57):
resources.
Primal Pooch is another goodresource, and if you're lucky to
find somebody who doesconsultations like me um to a
consultation right.
So um, because that's like, ifyou're like I really don't want
to do all of this and I justwant somebody to set it up for
me, consult's a great, greatthing to do, um, but for
(34:17):
somebody who's like I want tostart this and like really know
what I'm doing, yeah, pick up abook, get in a good resource.
Um, there's a great documentarycalled the truth about pet food
, um, and so I'd start there andthen with things to be cautious
about gosh you guys are inmarketing, maybe sourcing look
(34:39):
through the marketing.
Like read between the lines ifyou can.
I'm trying to think of, if Ican highlight like three things
to look for in a raw food.
I'd say they're all debatable,though that's why I'm like, but
my three things.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Right, I'm the guest.
Okay, absolutely, this is myexpertise.
Take it away, but my threethings right.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I'm the guest.
Okay, yeah, absolutely, this ismy expertise.
Take it away.
The three things are.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Make sure to ask if the pet food does HPP.
Hpp is high-pressurepasteurization.
It means putting the food in achamber that puts it under like
80,000 PSI.
This is like talking 10 timesthe depth of the ocean to kill
(35:23):
bacteria.
Yeah that, that's no longer araw food product.
It's all the bacteria is dead,good and bad.
Um.
So HPP, while it does make thefood quote unquote safer, um, it
arguably makes it not raw.
So I, personally, I would lookfor no HPP, no vegetables or
(35:45):
vitamin premixes in the food.
I feel like I have to say why.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, please no veggies.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
No veggies and no premixes in the food.
Why?
Because some dogs do good withvegetables and some don't.
If they should have vegetablesat all, they should be.
In my professional opinion,they should be fermented
vegetables, Because if a dog inthe wild was going to eat
vegetables at all, it would beinside the rabbit's stomach
already digested Vegetables arereally common allergens and they
(36:17):
cause discomfort in dogs.
Interesting and they go underthe radar.
Yeah, and that's not to say,you should not feed your dog
Like he just gets carrots everyonce in a while.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, he does fine with it.
But that's kind of going backto the vegan stuff we were
talking about.
You know it's like oh no,they're carnivores, Like you
know, that should be primary.
Right.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
So if you're looking for a without synthetic vitamin
premixes, why?
Because, again, with those theycan be low quality vitamin
mixes.
They a lot of the times havetoo much, and if so, let's say
you have your raw food, it'scovering all your bases, right?
But, like maybe you know, youcan't feed lamb because it's too
(36:57):
high in fat and then you needto fill in a gap there, right?
You don't want to use a vitaminpremix that just has like a
crap load of everything, becausethen you may be giving them too
much.
So I always recommend doing abrand with no supplements,
because you can add in things toyour dog's diet if you want to
supplement with whole foods, solike eggs or fish or you know,
(37:22):
um, uh, fermented veggies if youwant to do that, so um, no HPP,
no veggies, or um, pre-mixes ofvitamin mixes.
And you know I had a differentanswer, but I think I'm going to
go with.
Like you know, I had a differentanswer, but I think I'm going
(37:43):
to go with like stay local likestay, go for a small company,
because they're the ones who aredoing it right and doing it
with, like, everything behindthem.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
And the bigger companies are just making it
cheaper.
They're doing anything thatthey can to make it cheaper.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
So, definitely.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
I think it's like a passion thing too, you know,
like you're passionate about itand you're passionate about the
health of dogs too, whereasthese big companies maybe they,
you know, they're not soconcerned with that as much as
like right making money and youtook your own time to get
educated on this topic too andstuff you know and really
showing your, your customers,that you know right.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I took the customers that you know right.
I took the yeah you care, youknow, versus yeah, the big big
pharma I guess big big pet foodcompanies you know just trying
to make the buck and yeah, andcutting corners wherever they
can and I know almost all myclients are.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Obviously we ship nationwide.
We have clients across thecountry.
But, um, you know I, we knowour clients and we have their
best interest, right.
And so, yeah, I'd say like, gofor a smaller company that you
know isn't cutting corners, thatyou can talk to somebody and
ask the questions.
Um, ingredients are superimportant in making sure there's
whole cut meats ingredients inthe food.
(38:55):
Make sure, like when you readon the label, does it say bone,
but not specifically which bone,because that probably means
that it's bone dust, it's somesort of synthetic powder right
gotcha so yeah, so those threeno hpp, no veggies or premixes,
and shop local, shop smallbeautiful, amazing.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
We love it.
Yeah, cool definitely.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I feel like I'm ready to jump on not, not me
personally, but my dog, Like Isaid.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I was like we'll be talking after this.
I'll definitely come get aconsultation with my girlfriend,
my girlfriend's huge holistichuman side and dog side too.
So she was the one who reallywas like I think we need to put
him on a raw diet.
He's a wolf, we'll be coming byfor sure.
Sounds great, cool, and thendid we want to ask one more?
(39:43):
I think Best experience.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Zeus can show his face a little more.
Zeus come here, he's a sleepyboy, we want to do it.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
We want to do it, zeus.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Oh, sleepy, boy.
He's like wait, we're stilldoing this yeah, he's like we're
still doing this.
Yeah, he's like we're still thetreats come out.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
We're still doing this, mr Zeus, he's a handsome
guy.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
What are we doing?
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Got to show some face .
So a question that we like toask all of our guests,
especially the ones you know whobring their dogs on what is
your most memorable experiencewith Zeus?
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Oh, that's a good one .
We have taken him so manyplaces and done so many things
and I think my favorite it hasto be taking him on camping
trips to the river and justseeing him be a free, frolicking
dog.
I have this image in my brain.
(40:35):
We were up in the SequoiasQuaking, aspen Campground, nice.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Kern no, it's close to Kern.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Okay and no, it's close to Kern.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Yeah, it's close to Kern and him just frolicking
through the forest like a freewolf, so for sure like taking
him camping.
He's our road dog through andthrough.
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, put him in the natural habitat, just letting
him be himself.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
That is the best.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, free, yeah yeah , no, a dog, a wolf a dog.
Yeah, good boy, zeus, awesome.
Well, thank you very much forjoining the potty talk podcast.
We really appreciate it and yougave a lot of great information
.
So everybody listening,wherever you're tuning in.
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Drop a comment if you have anyquestions.
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We could definitely keeptalking about this stuff.
So if you have any questionsfor her, please drop them in the
comments.
Um, check out pure life rawfood in camarillo.
Um, and then also follow themon social media.
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(41:44):
to give a little shout out foryours go ahead, yeah, at Pure
Life Raw, facebook, instagram,google.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Yeah, come find us, come find them, get that
consultation.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Like she said, they do ship nationwide as well.
So if you're not in SouthernCalifornia, don't worry, I'm
sure they got you covered.
So, yeah, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
And definitely you know.
I just want to say thank youbecause you know we obviously
work with.
You know dog potty, and itsounds like what you're doing is
making the dog's potty a littlebit healthier, which helps us
out too.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
So thank you for that .
Less messes on the patch withthe raw food diet, cool, well,
yeah, thank you, and thanks toeveryone else for tuning in, and
we'll catch you on the nextepisode.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Cool.
Thank you guys.
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