August 17, 2025 • 47 mins
Freya kicks off her new show with Australia’s national debt about to smash through one trillion dollars, Labor’s green dream lining the pockets of the rich. Plus, workplace DEI back in the spotlight, should Aussie workplaces speak English?
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Like now Freya fires up.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to a brand new show where I'll take on
all comers on the big issues of the day. You'll
witness genuine debate, You'll meet some new faces, and you'll
hear a diverse range of views. A Right Number one,
the Economic round Table, number two, Karean Madness and three
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more race Politics. This week, Doctor Chalmers will hold Australia's
Economic Reform round Table. It's been a quarter of a
century since Australia's last major economic reform, and today our
national debt sits at about one trillion dollars. Government spending
is at levels we've only seen in wartime or national crisis.
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And while camera spends like there's no tomorrow, workers are
about to be hit with the highest average income tax
rate in our history. But what worries me most isn't
just the debt or the spending. It's the apathy. Too
many people are profiting from the racket and that makes
real reform almost impossible. More than half of voters now
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rely on the government for most of their income through
public sector wages, welfare or other subsidies. And it's not
the poor or the downtrodden that are benefiting from all
this spending. Green corporate handouts line the pockets of multi
billion dollar energy companies. The non means tested NDIS has
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created an expectation of middle class welfare, and it's the
university educated elite who get thousands wiped off their hex debt.
Canber is lining the pockets of the elite while making
everyday Australians pick up the tab. In a speech to
the Menzies Research Center, Shadow Treasurer Ted O'Brien and put
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it perfectly.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
No more giveaways, no more gravy trains, no more government
funded boondoggles, no more creating entire industries that serve as
a constituency for their own preservation to the detriment of
the greater good. Australians can no longer afford such indulgences.
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It is time that we get serious.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
A great example is Labour's electric vehicle policy. They made
it exempt from fringe benefit tax. It was budgeted to
cost the government fifty million dollars a year, but it's
blown out by over one thousand percent to five hundred
and sixty million dollars, and in another few years it
will cost one point three billion. Take the example of
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a nurse on ninety grand a year, she'll pay about
six hundred and eighty seven dollars a month to lease
a Tesla Model Y. But a lawyer on two hundred
grand he could pay just five hundred and fifty two
a month for the exact same car over the life
of the lease. The lawyer pockets an extra eight thousand
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dollars discount relative to the nurse, courtesy of US taxpayers.
Think about that, taxpayers are covering almost half the cost
of an EV for the highest earners. This policy provides
no benefit to our country. It's welfare for the rich.
And while I admire many of the things Elon Musk does,
he doesn't need our tax dollars. If the government is
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serious about economic reform, they will slash government spending, stop
hiring more public servants, cut income tax and green welfare,
and unleash our greatest economic potential, the natural resources we've
been blessed with. But somehow that feels unlikely for the
second thing that's firing me up to now. Ultimately, you
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can't address Australia's sotuling economy without confronting the environmental madness
that has possessed camera. Now, don't get me wrong. I
want a clean environment. We need to be responsible stewards
of this earth, and we have a responsibility to leave
it at least as good as we found it. But
I'm not willing to see our own people impoverished for
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a lofty global dream we have no control over. Australia
is around one percent of global emissions. Even if we
went to net zero tomorrow, it would have no impact
on global emissions. Meanwhile, we're dolling out billions in green
welfare to foreign corporations. Research from the IPA found that
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seventy percent of Australia's wind farms are partially or entirely
foreign owned. Last year they received over six hundred million
dollars in subsidies. And what is all this taxpayer investment
achieved in real terms? Electrics prices have risen by sixty
percent in the last decade. Now, if our goal is
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to create a pro human future for the world, we
should be exporting even more coal and gas because cheap
energy lifts people out of poverty. A third of the
world still use open air fires or kerosene for cooking.
Three point two million people a year die from the
household pollution produced by these inefficient energy sources and Australia
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is falling behind the rest of the world. Yes, China
is making huge investments in renewable energy, but they're also
building two new coal fire power plants every week. Trump
has approved or extended four more coal mines, with many
more in the pipeline. And if we want to revive
our manufacturing capacity, which we need desperately, we need cheap
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energy and we can't forget the human cost of this transition.
The government is bulldozing farmers and local communities. Victoria farmers
will we find twelve thousand dollars if they don't let
transmission line companies onto their property? And New South Wales
has passed civiler laws and they're also being saddled with
extra taxes and levees. Check this out.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
These farmers, many of whom volunteer with the CFA to
fight fires, are going to be disproportionately affected by the
new Emergency services levy, which will see them paying thousands
more in rates. This is a nail in the coffin
for Victorian agriculture.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
We can't make Australians pay for Chris Bowen's green dream.
While it might be Labour's dream it would be a
nightmare for our nation. By Gary Siveramen, Australia's four hundred
thousand dollars a year commissioner to tell us how racist
we are, also known as the Race Discrimination Commissioner, has
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an idea to fix productivity, more DEI and anti racism training,
which I was joking. In an arphaed written on Thursday,
Geary gives examples of a fictional Syrian migrant named Fatima,
who experienced racism at every step of her employment journey.
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I mean, straight off the bat. You would think that
if racism was that bad in Australia, you'd be able
to use an actual example, not a made up one.
But anyway, fictional Fatima had to get a job in
a warehouse because her Syrian architecture qualifications weren't recognized. That's
an example of racism. According to Gary, this is absurd.
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We need to make sure you can actually meet the
minimum skills requirements. That's not racism, it's common sense. Another
example of racism is whether workers should sit English proficiency tests.
In Gary Siveraman's anti racist workplace fantasy, he ponders whether
languages other than English could be spoken in the workplace.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Now you're in the workplace, your mineration's been set. But
are you culturally safe if you're from a racialized background
or a First nation's background. Can languages other than English
be spoken in the workplace? I know of many workplaces
where people have been penalized for speaking languages other than English.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
What about everyone else's cultural safety if all their colleagues
are speaking a language they can't understand. We're in English
speaking country. No one is forcing you to move here
if you don't want to speak English. He goes on
to lament the fact that Fatima didn't have a dedicated
prayer area and had to take leave to celebrate an
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Islamic holiday. For Geary, this is unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Is there a safe place to pray?
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Can a racialized employee or a First Nation employee have
leave or other considerations for cultural needs? That's an issue
that's consistently raised as a barrier for First Nations employees
in the reality is the only religious holidays enshrined in
law in this country are Christian ones.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Again, why is that a bad thing? We are a
Christian country. That's the reality. There are forty nine Muslim
majority countries. Fatima could go to if she wanted to
be in a fully culturally safe environment. The opinion piece
wraps up by saying, despite not being subjected to racial,
cultural or religious slurs, Fatima experienced racism at every step
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of her employment journey. Siver Arman says, while DII policies
might get diverse staff in the door, they're not enough.
We need mandatory cultural safety and anti racism training, a
positive duty to prevent racism, and a whole of society approach.
So civer Arman thinks we will improve productivity by relaxing
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overseas qualification requirements, allowing people to speak foreign languages in
the workplace, forcing people through government sanctioned anti racist to
re education programs, and giving public holidays for religions other
than Christianity, while burdening businesses with more laws and regulations
to proactively prevent racism. That would improve Australia's productivity. Right.
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Every Australian, of course, should call out racism if and
where they see it, But that's very different to erasing
our culture and shaming our country based on no evidence.
We are such a tolerant country that we pay an immigrant.
Gary Cibaman four hundred thousand dollars to tell us how
racist we are. Something that would improve our country's productivity
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is cutting government spending. Gary's salary could be the first
to go. We could end discriminatory affirmative action policies and quotas,
especially in the public service, and focus on merit instead
of identity. Divisive racial policy was soundly rejected by Australia
in the Voice referendum, and it is shameful that we
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as taxpayers pay Siver Armand's salary. I've got a massive
show lined up for you tonight. Victorian socialist Jordan vandalamb
will join me for a heated debate on housing and
Israel and Palestine. Plus special guest Zach Sage Fox, the
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US comedian and commentator going viral for exposing anti Semitism
on university campuses. He's here in Australia and is appalled
by the hatred keys encountered. Plenty more coming up for
you tonight, but let's not hold back time to get
into it with my panel. Joining me is Zoe Booth
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from Couillette and political commentator Josh Dabelstein. Today, we saw
really ugly scenes in Melbourne this weekend after a hardcore
group of transactivists hijacked a women's rights rally. Four people
were did this is what happened, Zoe? There were only
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forty women at the pro women's rights rally. Are women
who believe in biology really that intimidating?
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Yeah, Like, I know many of these women and they're
just normal women. They're moms, many of them are grandma's
and they're just they're saying something that most Australians believe in,
which is that there are only two sexes, men and women,
and that you know, we can acknowledge how someone identifies
and you know, respect that without having to give up
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so many of our rights, like our rights to our
you know, it's female only spaces things like this. So no,
these women there are a grassroots organization and they're not
intimidating at all.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
One of the interesting elements of this protest was that
the masked counter protesters held up a banner that said
death to Australia. Now, I maybe you could shed some
light on this, Josh, for us, but I don't really
see the connection between stanning biology for women's rights regardless
of what your views are on trans issues, and then
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saying death to Australia why.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
Look, I'm not entirely sure that it has much to
do with protecting trans people at all firstly, but you know,
to get to the crux of the question, which is
why this has anything to do with hating Australia, we
really need to kind of understand what it is that
drives a lot of these popular movements. I think number one,
the idea that these movements are somehow a legitimate reaction
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to something terrible going on is something that we're seeing
across the board to be a little bit strange and
usually untrue. A lot of the protests that have happened,
especially over the last two years, are no manifestation of
fringe movements, but in fact things that speak to what
the majority of people seem to think, regardless of whether
or not that is reasonable. But that's said, I think
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that those who seem to turn up at this rally
to actually hold the rally in the first place, they
seem to have an idea that this new legislation to
protect trans people was somehow going to prevent anyone from
going into women's only spaces, or that somehow this is
going to change the way in which sports are played.
And having read the legislation. Not a lawyer, but I'm
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not sure what relevance that has at all. So firstly,
the rally itself, to me, originally was challenging, but people
are entitled to go and express their opinions and the
fact that while I don't agree necessarily, I'm not going
to turn up and try to shut them down. So
what I do think is really important to address, which
is something you've brought up, is how this plays into
a broader Australian hatred narrative. And I think that that's
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really interesting. What do they hate about this country. I'm
not entirely sure, but I do believe that what unites
this omni causal aggression towards Australia is pathological.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Very very interesting on that line. But even if the
exact legislation is not making it worse for women, I
do understand why a lot of women feel as though
their rights aren't being protected at the moment in Australia.
But let's move on to another issue that's going on
in New South Wales. Premier Chris Mins has announced a
million dollar grand to combat is Lamophobia. Now, one of
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the examples that the president of the Mum's Council said
was that there were microaggressions towards Muslims. Now, no one
wants to see islamophobia. But is that really the biggest
challenge facing us right now? Josh, I have no idea.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
I've never been a Muslim, and I've never been a
Muslim that has experienced an aggression of any type, micro
or macro. What I can say is that there are
a lot of people who are expressing Islamophobia and they
want something done about it. I think it's reasonable that
the state try to do something about it. What I find, really,
what I find difficult to work around, is why these
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things seem to always be some type of contest between
different types of prejudice. So I think, for example, when
Jillian Siegel, the Antisemitism Envoy, came out and gave her
report to Australia and what could be done with regards
to antisemitism, it was immediately met with this kind of challenge.
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But what about Islamophobia. I'm not going to say that
islam Islamophobia isn't a problem, but I find the way
in which it's used as a political football to be,
you know something, and if.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You can't talk about anti Semitism without simultaneously talking about Islamophobia.
Then do you really care about either of them, to
be honest, or are you just trying to play cap voters?
But Zoe, the other thing we've seen since October seven
is prominent Islamic groups around the country in the West
as a whole, have been all but silent condemning October seven,
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condemning Hamas, condemning anti Semitism in general. So is it
really appropriate to give taxpayer funds I'm speaking generally here.
Is it appropriate to give taxpayer funds to anyone who
can't condemn terrorism?
Speaker 6 (17:05):
No, of course it's not appropriate. And it's been pretty
dismaying to see this constant, as Joshua was saying, every
time anti Semitism comes up, someone usually from the left
or from these Muslim groups, says, hey, but what about Islamophobia.
I'm not denying that Islamophobia does happen, but we know
that Jews are one hundred and forty times more likely
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to experience anti Semitism than Muslims. And it's simply a
reality that you know. I live in Rose Bay, it's
a very Jewish area of Sydney. There's a there's a
Turkish Muslim restaurant there, the women wear his jobs. Everyone
there loves this restaurant.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
There are no issues.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Yet I can't wear a star of David in Lakember
without risking something happening to me.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
And I'm not even.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Jewish, but I'd be perceived as Jewish. So it's not
a maths equation. I don't know why people are constantly
trying to balance it out and say they're equally bad
or they happen equally as much.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
They simply don't. It's the data. Yeah, well, I want
to get your thoughts on this. One hundred year old
diggers who fought and risk their lives for this country.
We're giving their wisdom in The Australian over the weekend
about why they fought to protect Australia. We haven't met
a defense recruitment target in about twenty years, if not more.
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Do you think it comes down to this constant narrative
of self loathing and how do we fix it? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Look, that's a huge part of it, and it's really
concerning that we don't have enough people who are willing
to pick up a weapon to protect Australia when push
comes to shove, which could happen. Who knows, very concerning
And yeah, I do think it's correct that it's this
constant demonization. I mean we saw it at the Trans
rally in Melbourne, this trans activists saying death to Australia.
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Why why is there this constant gradation of Australia. Australia
is a fantastic country. We have issues, but travel anywhereeness
around the world and you'll see just how good.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
We have it here, exactly right, and millions of people
have chosen to migrate here because we are such an
amazing country. Thank you so much, Zoe and Josh, you
guys are awesome. Thanks for your time this evening. Now
it's time for my burning issue, anti Semitism. There is
no shortage of university campus craziness here in Australia. With
anti Semitism exploding over the last two years. My next guest,
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comedian activist and founder of fat Camp Films, Zack Sage Fox,
has exposed anti Jewish hate with videos viewed by millions
of people across the globe. Have a look, okay, and
then where will the Jews go?
Speaker 9 (19:46):
Well?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Will the Jews go?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
We make is a pause you can go to How.
Speaker 10 (19:49):
Do you think one day London will be all Muslim
and charl Lahage from who do you think we should
put up there?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Sim Wark?
Speaker 10 (19:54):
Go ahead, Yeah, I'm a Jew about to go undercover
at a pre Palestine protest in.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
London and please to say Zach Sage. Folks joins me now,
thank you so much for joining us, Zach. Zach, you've
visited a number of sites that have been the center
of the anti Semitism that has just exploded in Australia.
Tell us what that's been like.
Speaker 10 (20:17):
Yeah, you know, it's been an amazing trip to be
able to come in and learn from the Australian diaspora
of Jews. But I would say I'm worried, you know,
because of the position I've been put in. You know,
as a Jewish activist, I've really gotten to travel around
the world to different Jewish communities. I've been to Vancouver,
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Mexico City, I'm going to Montreal next month, and so
I've really gotten to hear the different stories from all
around the world of what Jewish communities are dealing with.
Because this movement against us, the hate movement, the anti
semitism movement against Jews, because of social media, has become
so global it's affected the entire diaspora. But I would
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say that this feels it's like the sort of heaviest
cloud I've seen on the Jewish people throughout the world
that I've been to so far. I haven't been everywhere, obviously,
but you know, I think it feels like the Jewish
community here is really outnumbered for how bad the anti
Semitism have gotten. You know, there's only about, from what
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I've told, one hundred thousand Jews in Australia in general.
Speaker 9 (21:24):
That's insane.
Speaker 10 (21:25):
I'm from the suburbs of Philadelphia. There's you know, almost
three hundred thousand Jews just they are alone.
Speaker 9 (21:31):
And so you know, it's.
Speaker 10 (21:32):
Really put into perspective how not only isolated you guys
are geographically as the Jewish I asked for right here,
but you guys are really really outnumbered in a way that.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
Just feels so unfair and so unjust. And I'm worried.
Speaker 10 (21:47):
And the amount of Jews who have asked me whether
they need to leave Australia is staggering. It was the
number one question I got on my trip, and it's
the one question I can't answer because I want to
tell Jews to be strong and to you know, show
up wherever you are. But something really sinister is happening
here in Australia, and it seems like the overall consensus
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I've gotten is that your government is they just don't
care about Jews. It really seems like they just don't care.
Speaker 9 (22:16):
You know.
Speaker 10 (22:16):
I was at East Melbourne Synagogue synagogue that was lit
on fire, but luckily it didn't burn to flames because
it was caught in time by the pro Pai activists
who lit it on fire, whereas the synagogue was actually
completely burned down here just a few months before.
Speaker 9 (22:33):
You know, it's just shocking.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
You know.
Speaker 10 (22:35):
I went into East Melbourne and prayed with the rabbi
put Onto fill In, and it really felt reminiscent of
when I went to Auschwitz and we prayed and brought
torahs to the concentration camps. You know, it really felt
like trying to find some meaning from the ashes of
the massacre, and it was I'm worried about you guys for.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
A Yeah, it's really really disturbing. And one of the
things we've seen is just huge amount of anti Israel protests.
In fact, an article from the Daily Telegraph just today
exposed how a Sydney based Muslim leader who attended the
funeral of Hezbolla's terrorist leader was marching in the front
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row of the pro Palestine rally on the Harbor Bridge
in two thousand and one, an Israeli called Jews miserly
and cowardly and also praised Holocaust deniers. Now you've seen
pro Palestine rallies all around the world, what is the
crowd life? Because to me, it seems like people sort
of fit into one of three categories, radical Islamists, radical leftists,
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and useful idiots. What do you think.
Speaker 10 (23:44):
I just went to one of the protests that I
can say it was a mix of all three, honestly.
Speaker 9 (23:49):
But you know, it's interesting.
Speaker 10 (23:53):
You know, one of the things that's I think so
unique to this moment, and it's the thing that I'm
fighting the most. This is my battlefield, this is social
media battlefield. You know, there's there's different flavors. You know,
your protest feel a little bit more cartooning, I think
in some ways than even the ones in America. But
the similarities between all of these protests are shocking because
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basically what it shows is that this movement against the
Jews through social media. You know, it's it's so similar
all across the world. You know, I've now been the
ones in the UK, in America obviously and now here and.
Speaker 9 (24:31):
There's you know, they're they're so similar.
Speaker 10 (24:33):
They're all getting the same Hamas propaganda, which is actually
making people in the West say that Hamas a radical
jihadi terrorist group. Is they're that they're the good guys
and that the Jews are the bad guys.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
It is shocking and it's depressing. And our Prime Minister
seems to think that he's going to create a democratic
state of Palestine, except what he doesn't realize is more
people support Hamas than the Palestinian or authority, and even
the Palestinian authority is hardly a beacon of moderate, peace
loving people. You've been to that no one at.
Speaker 10 (25:08):
These protests is calling for the hostages to be released.
I mean that would the crazy thing is the things
that would actually.
Speaker 9 (25:14):
End the war.
Speaker 10 (25:15):
No one's calling for that, no one. They are just
calling for Israel to be wiped off the map.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
You've been to the West Bank, Zach, and you've spoken
to people about October seven and Hammas. What is the
attitude of the average person in the West Bank to
Hamas versus the Palestinian authority and awre they supportive of
what happened on October seven, because the polling would suggest
they are.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (25:39):
Yeah, Like you said, I'm one of the only people
who has gone to Palestine since October seventh, which again.
Speaker 9 (25:47):
I'm a comedian. I mean, the fact that.
Speaker 10 (25:49):
I had to go there to go break the story
is it's depressing. It's depressing because I had to go
risk my life as a Jew. As you know, if
you say you're Jewish IMpower, you will be killed, you
will be kidnapped. There's no Jews in Gaza before October seventh.
There hadn't been since two thousand and five when Israel
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left Gaza and removed all of the Jews and then
they voted Hamas in. As you saw in my report,
I couldn't find a Palestinian who didn't support Hamas. But
the scary thing is it's not that different now when
I'm on the streets of Australia talking to pro Palestine
people or when i'm you know, in New York talking
to people. The scary thing is that Palestine has been
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freed in terms of ideology in terms of ethos, in
terms of spirit. You know, the love for Hamas is
no different on the streets of Palestine than it is
here in Australia, and your government is asleep at the wheel.
We have politicians who are like that as well, but
obviously we have Donald Trump in office. I'm a political independent,
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but you got to give Trump credit where credits due.
He's been very sound on this issue, which is not
that he's anti Palestinian, but that the thought of talking
about a Palestinian state right now, who would run it?
Speaker 9 (27:04):
Humas? I mean, this would be.
Speaker 10 (27:05):
A direct reward for October seventh, and it would enable
more terrorism and more murder of Jews and jihad all
around the world. That's where your Prime Minister has completely
dropped the ball.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
It's just the truth, one hundred percent. Well, thank you
so much for joining us, Zack Sage Fox, best of
luck with all your work.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
Thank you, yeah, thank you so much. Thanks for having
me Forrey. You're the best. Keep doing good work too.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Don't go anywhere. My heated debate on housing with Victorian
socialist Jordan van de Lamb after this short break plus
viral Scottish sensation Robin Bagpipes joins me to discuss how
he's spreading Scottish culture across the globe. Welcome back to
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the program. It's now time for the great debate. Socialists strange.
They go to protests which they film on their iPhones,
Thanks capitalism. They call for the overthrow of Australia, thanks
freedom of speech, and rage about how horrible Australia is,
even though thousands of refuge here fleeing socialism and millions
have moved here for a better life. But anyway, on Friday,
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I went back to my alma mater, Sydney University to
check out the Socialist convention and try to get some answers.
This is how it went. Do you want to have
a chat about socialism?
Speaker 8 (28:29):
No?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Why are you here today?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
She's from Sky News.
Speaker 9 (28:31):
I would engage.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Does anybody want to talk you guys? Have you come
to this conference to not talk about socialism? Because I'm
trying to talk to anyone, but no one's down for
a chat. It's a shame.
Speaker 9 (28:47):
I don't really feel like.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
You know, it actually felt a lot like true socialism
because there was no freedom of speech and no one
would dare talk to me because I wasn't from approved media. Yeah,
well they couldn't give me any answers. I'm hoping my
next guest might. Each week I'll be taking on someone
with opposing views. We want to break out of the
echo chamber and have some real heated debates. So joining
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me tonight is Jordan vandalamb Senate candidate for the Victorian
Socialist Party. Thank you so much for joining me, Jordan,
it's nice to be with you this evening. Jordan, you
make videos about bad rental properties, things like kitchens being unfinished,
or bathrooms in poor conditions, even apartments in people's garages.
But isn't that just the free market at work. No
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one is forcing anyone to rent these properties.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, it's the.
Speaker 11 (29:39):
Free market at work, which is why it needs to
be destroyed.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Right, So if you eliminated private rental properties, how would
anyone rent it all?
Speaker 11 (29:50):
Well, those properties wouldn't go anywhere, they wouldn't just disappear.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
We could just live in them. That's how it should work.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
But who would How would you have any pricing mechanism?
Because I would love to go live in a ten
million dollar house in Tuak or the Eastern suburbs, but
that's just not possible. You have to have some sort
of market to arrange things.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
No, you don't.
Speaker 11 (30:15):
You just absolutely don't. Like that's the least efficient way
to arrange things. It's the least efficient distributor of need.
I think, yeah, it's pretty clear that you know your
main concern is how would people make profit instead of
why would like, oh, it's a way to stop ten
thousand people experiencing homelessness every month in Australia. Like, yeah,
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we just don't need markets for human need.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
But markets are an efficient way of distributing things, Yes
they are.
Speaker 11 (30:46):
How would they If a market's an efficient way of
distributing something, then why do we have more than one
hundred thousand empty properties in the Melbourne metropolitan area alone
while we have less well thirty thousand people approximately in
the entire state of Victoria experiencing homelessness. Why do we
have you know, coals and woolies throw away tons and
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tons of food every day while hunger levels in Australia
are increasing faster than we've ever had on record.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Like, that's just not correct, that's wrong.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Well, what would be the incentive for anyone to build?
Because I accept there are vacant properties, but there are
a number of reasons for that. If you're moving between homes.
A property might be vacant for a period of time,
if it's on the market, if it's waiting for someone
to rent it out. There are plenty of reasons for
vacant properties. But the fundamental drivers of the housing market
a supply and demand. Currently in Australia we have constricted
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supply because we have an unproductive construction industry because a
lot of red tape and government regulation.
Speaker 11 (31:47):
Too many bureaucrats and constructions construction, Yeah, absolutely, okay.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
So we can agree on that that's a good thing.
So you slash that, slash red tape.
Speaker 11 (31:56):
And then splash the bosses in construction and let us
build stuff. Absolutely, Let the work is earn more for
the work that they're doing, and get rid of the.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Bosses who would be building stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Then work is.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
In businesses well. Work needs to be managed by business needs.
Speaker 11 (32:15):
Like a planned economy is the way to do stuff.
That's just how it should work.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
When has a planned economy ever worked?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Plenty of times, plenty of times.
Speaker 11 (32:25):
Anytime that we get anywhere close to building a planned economy,
capitalism in the market spends billions and billions of dollars
mobilizing forces to destroy it.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
But I would say red tape, which we both agreed,
is an issue the over regulation of the construction industry
that is over regularly. That's an example of the planned economy.
Speaker 11 (32:47):
I don't agree with that. It's not the overregulation of
the construction industry. It's the over the over representation of
bureaucrats in the construction industry.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Bureaucrats as well as boss is.
Speaker 11 (33:00):
Get rid of the bosses, get rid of the bureaucrats,
and like the regulations that exist are so that houses
don't fall down and so that people don't die, those
regulations are important.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I want to live in a building that's.
Speaker 11 (33:12):
Not going to fall on me, like the mascot towers
and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I want to live in a.
Speaker 11 (33:16):
Building that is nice, good quality, beautiful, accessible, like something
that's not going to kill me because of black mole,
because of poor construction. But I don't want to live
in a building that I can't afford.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
But the bureaucrats that are in the construction industry have
increased in direct proportion with the regulation and red tape
that's been put on the construction industry.
Speaker 11 (33:42):
I mean, sure, yeah, there's a way that you can
argue that, but like, that's not the reason that bureaucrats
and bosses increase. They increase because they can profit more.
That's the direct correlation, the more direct correlation.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
But that doesn't really make sense because if you're a
construction for and your motivation is to make profit, why
would you be employing unproductive bureaucrats to sit there in
paper shuffle when you could be employing more workers who
could build more stuff and making more money.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
They're the bureaucrats, the bosses of the bureaucrats.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
But without the bosses, nothing gets built.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
That's not correct. That's just not correct.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
That is correct, that is absolutely correct. But anyway, let's
move the opera house.
Speaker 11 (34:23):
The Sydney Opera House was completed under workers' control, like
no bosses.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
They literally kicked the bosses off site.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Again, and you are yet to give an example of
any country in the world socialism has actually worse. Maybe
you could do it for one building, but it couldn't
work for the entire economy at all. Let's move right now,
because I think we could be here absolutely absolutely all
night debating socialism. But when the government moved to announce
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its intentions to recognize palaesign. A couple of days ago,
you tweeted on X that how about we unrecognize Israel?
Isn't that a little bit unfair? Given Israel is the
only homeland of the Jewish people and history has taught
us what happens when they don't have a state. Do
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you truly believe Israel shouldn't exist at all?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I think no state has a right to exist. I
think people have a right to exist.
Speaker 11 (35:24):
So yeah, I think that's uncontroversial that we should unrecognize
a state, an ethno state and apartheid, ethno state that
is committing a genocide on Palaestinian people.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
You support recognizing Palestine.
Speaker 11 (35:37):
Well, like not like code like it's I think it's
I think it's a cowardly move by Alberanizi to like
recognize the rubble that he helped create, and while he
still while he does that, while he recognizes Palestine, still
supplies and arms Israel to help bomb the Palestinians. I
think that's like, I don't think that's going to help
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the Palestinian people whatsoever?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Do you think having harmas running Gaza will help the
Palestinian people?
Speaker 11 (36:07):
Well, I think, like, I don't think that's relevant to
the people that are being killed by the State of Israel.
Like I don't think who runs the people being killed
is the relevant question here?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
But why did this war start?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Why do you think it started?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Because on October seven, thousands of Hamas on October rating,
Israel broke into the country through multiple places by air,
by land, by sea, massacred hundreds of young people at
a music festival, took.
Speaker 11 (36:38):
Two hundred massacred them under the Hannibal directive.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
But like, yeah, this, so do you deny the atrocities
forty eight? That's not up for debate.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
So you just said you actually think Harmas didn't kill civilians,
it was the IDF. Is that what you're claiming?
Speaker 11 (36:56):
The IDF killed a significantly higher proportion of Israeli's villians
than Harmast did on October seven? That's in controversial.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
That is so false. Let me ask you this, do
you consider hamas a terrorist organization?
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I think that's not relevant.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
How is that not relevant? That is the fundamental point.
As long as you have a terrorist organization.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
You can ConTroll in Gaza, they will.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Wage endless wars against Israel, massacring civilians. They have said
they will commit October seven as many times as is
required to annihilate the state of Israel and by extension,
the Jewish people. If you can't see that that is
the definition of terrorism and the biggest barrier in the
path to peace in the Middle East, then I don't
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know what planet you're living on.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Right. Let me ask you a question. Are you familiar
with Nelson Mandela?
Speaker 9 (37:46):
Of course?
Speaker 11 (37:47):
Okay, well, I'm going to use his words to kind
of answer your question here. But Nelson Mandela said, and
this is true, that if you have a problem with.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
The means, so that means that.
Speaker 11 (38:01):
The oppressed use the oppressed used to resist their oppressor.
They're determined by the oppressor. So if you have a
problem with the means used to resist the oppressor, then
you should you should condemn, and you should criticize the
oppressor for getting rid of all means of resistance except violence.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
That's the only means that.
Speaker 11 (38:22):
The Palacinians have to resist their genocidal oppressors. And if
you have a problem with that, then your condemnation should
lie with the oppressor.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
What I have a problem with is the murder of
innocent civilians on October with that too Jewish Israel is
acting is the one who's incredible measures kill all those
people to protect civilians. If you don't say if you
don't see October seven as terrorism, then I don't even
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know what to say to you. And ultimately, this war
could have been ended. All these civilian lives could have
been saved if her Mask had laid down its weapons
and given back the hostages and committed to building Jaza
with our Mask.
Speaker 11 (39:11):
Rightly offered at least four times to return all of
the hostages, and Israel has said no every single time.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
That is plenty. Look, thank you so much, Jordan. We're
out of time now. Thank you for coming on this show.
We really appreciate your time. Have a good evening, thanks
for having me so. In conclusion, her Mask controlling Gaza
is apparently irrelevant to whether or not there'll be peace,
(39:39):
and it was actually the IDF that killed most of
the people on October seven. Insane. But look, even though
I thoroughly vehemently disagree with everything Jordan just said, I
appreciate that he was willing to come on, and that's
what this is all about. Let's have the debate. Well,
still plenty more to come after the break. The left
is incomplete meltdown over Donald tr plan to crack down
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on crime in Washington, DC. I cover that with one
Aussie who's moved over to the US, and he does
not hold back. Welcome back Australian country. Singer Jack Garaerty
or slow Jack as he's known on social media, has
a mass over five hundred thousand followers for calling out
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the left hypocrisy and he definitely doesn't hold back. I'm
pleased to say, Jack joins me now, thanks so much
for coming on. Jack. Our prime minister here in Australia
is on his fourth meeting with China, but he hasn't
had a single meeting with Trump. Meanwhile, he wants the
US to hand over some of its most sensitive military
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technology orcus powered submarines. How is this reasonable or fair
when you won't even meet with Trump.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
Yeah, nothing makes me more confident in Australia's sovereignty than
a prime ministy going back and talking with China again.
You know, as an Australian, we're used to our politicians.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Just being in cahoots to those people.
Speaker 8 (41:07):
I love how our greatest ally, America doesn't get any
time but Jijing, Pina gets a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
You know, yeah, exactly. And do you think that is
playing poorly for us in America? What is American's perception
of Australia when we're closing up to China but not
even attempting to meet with Trump.
Speaker 8 (41:28):
Yeah, the Australian perception worldwide has changed, especially in America.
I think Australia's kind of people growing intolerant of Australia
because we increasingly kind of inject our woke ideas and
our general smugness. Is a nation, it's college educated kids
and these prime ministers who try to act like normal
people but don't give any time to the people that
should be bringing attention to being friends with that hanging
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out with China more than their allies. And you can
feel in America. I'll live here in Nashville, you know,
people look at Australia and they go, oh, Australia used
to be cool, Australia used to be this and that.
I think the Prime minister and the general populace and all,
it's all part of the bigger, bigger issue, you know,
like the politicians, they all they affect the way we're
seen across the world. So you know, I've our politicians.
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You know, if our politicians are talking to the wrong
people when they're being morons, and you know, people are
going to look at us and they go, oh, I
guess Australians and morons.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
You know, there are representatives after all. Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing.
In the US, the Democrats are in hysterics about Trump's
DC takeover. They're even trying to deny that crime is
an issue in Washington, DC, which seems remarkable because when
you look at the facts, it's fairly obvious. They're trying
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to claim that the crime rate is actually the lowest
it's been in thirty years. But an expert's now saying
that the best measure of crime is really the murder rate,
and when you look at the murder rate, it's eighty
three percent higher than what it was at its lowest
point ever, which was about twelve years ago. I think
arguing that crime is not an issue, arguing against law
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and order is one way that the Democrats can guarantee
they keep losing forever.
Speaker 9 (43:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (43:10):
Well, look, I've been on tour, I've been to DC
many a time, and yeah, you go there and you know,
there's there's homeless people. Good lord, people try to say
your crack on the side of the street, like it's.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
You pop and candy.
Speaker 8 (43:21):
So you know, you go there, you can feel it,
the people can feel it, the civilians can feel it.
You walk around, you're like, this is supposed to be
the doorstep of America. Doesn't really represent the law and
order that it's supposed to.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Look at the murder eight.
Speaker 8 (43:33):
If there's a lot of murders, I'm guessing there's a
lot of crime because that's one of the crimes. So
you know, I think it's sick that he's going and
cleaning it up. These people at DC, they're making up
excuses they couldn't They couldn't do it to save their lives.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
They rule and cohoes to each other.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
Well look at it, mate, get someone in there, clean
up all those homeless people, get all that crack off
the street. Apparently it's supposed to be the capital of
the country, so let's treat as such.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
But well, I want to take you to New York now,
where a new candidate has entered the race. You'll obviously
remember Zoran mum Dani, the radical socialist, won the Democratic
primary with promises like running city run grocery stores socialism
one oh one. But a new candidate has now entered
the race, Cuban born entrepreneur Joseph Hernandez. He said he's
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motivated to fight in this race because he despises socialism.
He said, I'm a believer in the American Dream. I'm
a believer in capitalism. It's not perfect, but it's lifted
more people out of poverty than any other ideology. Now,
I think that sums it up so well. Anyone who
has lived under socialism, who has truly experienced it, they
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are some of the most ferven supporters of capitalism of
the American Dream. Why does socialists always think this time
it'll be different. I know it's failed every other time.
But Zora mum Dani he thinks he can do it
in New York. You look at his history.
Speaker 8 (44:57):
He comes from a wealthy family who went to a
private school. His dad's a multi millionaire. Of course, he
likes communism. He doesn't understand how fundamental capitalism and just
the general open free market is to getting people out
of the ground floor.
Speaker 9 (45:10):
And into situations that he grew up in.
Speaker 8 (45:13):
He takes his whole situation for granted, when people like me,
sons of carpenters, we need capitalism, We need the free
market to express our ideas and get out of bad situations.
I was living in my car and I participated in
the free market here in America and in Australia, and
here I am with the business. So I'm living proof
and so many other people are. And you look at
these places like New York. Yeah, what do you know,
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Like a bunch of people in the city don't understand
how fundamental the working class and the capitalist society, where
the capitalist system works, and how fundamental it is for
the growth of the nation. And of course someone like
Zo Ran and all these private school educated people, they
love communism because they understand why capitalism is so fundamental
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to getting out of the lower class, because they grew
up and they'll you know, you know, they're all gathered
up in this upper middle.
Speaker 9 (46:01):
Class looking down at us.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
It's a class thing, if you ask me, totally. And
millions of people have fled socialism to come to the
free Western world. Basically, no one has gone the other way. Well,
thank you so much for your time this evening, Jack,
We really really appreciate it. Your legend. Everyone can go
check you out on Instagram and best of luck with
your music career and life of the US.
Speaker 8 (46:23):
Hey, thanks mate, it's a pleasure. Congratulations on your new show.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Thanks Jack.
Speaker 10 (46:27):
Well.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
My next guest is taking the traditional Scottish bagpipe all
around the globe. Take a look. So, Robin, you've gone
all around the world with your bagpipes. You've gone to
India and you've played on trains. Often multiculturalism only goes
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one way. The West is supposed to accept many cultures,
but very few people take Western culture around the world.
What was the reaction like to your bagpipes.
Speaker 12 (47:02):
I think most people would be really surprised to find
out that they actually loved it most of the time.
In fact, the reason I played the very first time
on a train wasn't to pest them off. Oh sorry,
what wasn't to irritate them, It was just to It
was actually because they were chanting and asking me to play,
so the very first time I played, they actually wanted
me to do that.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Thank you so much, Robin. We really appreciate that. And
I love the killed. I love the whole get up.
And everyone can check you out online if they want
to see some amazing images of you going around India
with your bagpipes. You're a legend. Well, thank you everyone
for watching. It has been such an honor to be
with you all this evening. If there are any more
stories you want me to cover, lefties you want me
(47:46):
to debate, please email me at freyet dot Leach at
sky News dot com dot au. That's all we have
time for. Goodnight,
Like now Freya fires up.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to a brand new show where I'll take on
all comers on the big issues of the day. You'll
witness genuine debate, You'll meet some new faces, and you'll
hear a diverse range of views. A Right Number one,
the Economic round Table, number two, Karean Madness and three
(00:32):
more race Politics. This week, Doctor Chalmers will hold Australia's
Economic Reform round Table. It's been a quarter of a
century since Australia's last major economic reform, and today our
national debt sits at about one trillion dollars. Government spending
is at levels we've only seen in wartime or national crisis.
(00:55):
And while camera spends like there's no tomorrow, workers are
about to be hit with the highest average income tax
rate in our history. But what worries me most isn't
just the debt or the spending. It's the apathy. Too
many people are profiting from the racket and that makes
real reform almost impossible. More than half of voters now
(01:18):
rely on the government for most of their income through
public sector wages, welfare or other subsidies. And it's not
the poor or the downtrodden that are benefiting from all
this spending. Green corporate handouts line the pockets of multi
billion dollar energy companies. The non means tested NDIS has
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created an expectation of middle class welfare, and it's the
university educated elite who get thousands wiped off their hex debt.
Canber is lining the pockets of the elite while making
everyday Australians pick up the tab. In a speech to
the Menzies Research Center, Shadow Treasurer Ted O'Brien and put
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it perfectly.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
No more giveaways, no more gravy trains, no more government
funded boondoggles, no more creating entire industries that serve as
a constituency for their own preservation to the detriment of
the greater good. Australians can no longer afford such indulgences.
(02:27):
It is time that we get serious.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
A great example is Labour's electric vehicle policy. They made
it exempt from fringe benefit tax. It was budgeted to
cost the government fifty million dollars a year, but it's
blown out by over one thousand percent to five hundred
and sixty million dollars, and in another few years it
will cost one point three billion. Take the example of
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a nurse on ninety grand a year, she'll pay about
six hundred and eighty seven dollars a month to lease
a Tesla Model Y. But a lawyer on two hundred
grand he could pay just five hundred and fifty two
a month for the exact same car over the life
of the lease. The lawyer pockets an extra eight thousand
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dollars discount relative to the nurse, courtesy of US taxpayers.
Think about that, taxpayers are covering almost half the cost
of an EV for the highest earners. This policy provides
no benefit to our country. It's welfare for the rich.
And while I admire many of the things Elon Musk does,
he doesn't need our tax dollars. If the government is
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serious about economic reform, they will slash government spending, stop
hiring more public servants, cut income tax and green welfare,
and unleash our greatest economic potential, the natural resources we've
been blessed with. But somehow that feels unlikely for the
second thing that's firing me up to now. Ultimately, you
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can't address Australia's sotuling economy without confronting the environmental madness
that has possessed camera. Now, don't get me wrong. I
want a clean environment. We need to be responsible stewards
of this earth, and we have a responsibility to leave
it at least as good as we found it. But
I'm not willing to see our own people impoverished for
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a lofty global dream we have no control over. Australia
is around one percent of global emissions. Even if we
went to net zero tomorrow, it would have no impact
on global emissions. Meanwhile, we're dolling out billions in green
welfare to foreign corporations. Research from the IPA found that
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seventy percent of Australia's wind farms are partially or entirely
foreign owned. Last year they received over six hundred million
dollars in subsidies. And what is all this taxpayer investment
achieved in real terms? Electrics prices have risen by sixty
percent in the last decade. Now, if our goal is
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to create a pro human future for the world, we
should be exporting even more coal and gas because cheap
energy lifts people out of poverty. A third of the
world still use open air fires or kerosene for cooking.
Three point two million people a year die from the
household pollution produced by these inefficient energy sources and Australia
(05:31):
is falling behind the rest of the world. Yes, China
is making huge investments in renewable energy, but they're also
building two new coal fire power plants every week. Trump
has approved or extended four more coal mines, with many
more in the pipeline. And if we want to revive
our manufacturing capacity, which we need desperately, we need cheap
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energy and we can't forget the human cost of this transition.
The government is bulldozing farmers and local communities. Victoria farmers
will we find twelve thousand dollars if they don't let
transmission line companies onto their property? And New South Wales
has passed civiler laws and they're also being saddled with
extra taxes and levees. Check this out.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
These farmers, many of whom volunteer with the CFA to
fight fires, are going to be disproportionately affected by the
new Emergency services levy, which will see them paying thousands
more in rates. This is a nail in the coffin
for Victorian agriculture.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
We can't make Australians pay for Chris Bowen's green dream.
While it might be Labour's dream it would be a
nightmare for our nation. By Gary Siveramen, Australia's four hundred
thousand dollars a year commissioner to tell us how racist
we are, also known as the Race Discrimination Commissioner, has
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an idea to fix productivity, more DEI and anti racism training,
which I was joking. In an arphaed written on Thursday,
Geary gives examples of a fictional Syrian migrant named Fatima,
who experienced racism at every step of her employment journey.
(07:14):
I mean, straight off the bat. You would think that
if racism was that bad in Australia, you'd be able
to use an actual example, not a made up one.
But anyway, fictional Fatima had to get a job in
a warehouse because her Syrian architecture qualifications weren't recognized. That's
an example of racism. According to Gary, this is absurd.
(07:36):
We need to make sure you can actually meet the
minimum skills requirements. That's not racism, it's common sense. Another
example of racism is whether workers should sit English proficiency tests.
In Gary Siveraman's anti racist workplace fantasy, he ponders whether
languages other than English could be spoken in the workplace.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Now you're in the workplace, your mineration's been set. But
are you culturally safe if you're from a racialized background
or a First nation's background. Can languages other than English
be spoken in the workplace? I know of many workplaces
where people have been penalized for speaking languages other than English.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
What about everyone else's cultural safety if all their colleagues
are speaking a language they can't understand. We're in English
speaking country. No one is forcing you to move here
if you don't want to speak English. He goes on
to lament the fact that Fatima didn't have a dedicated
prayer area and had to take leave to celebrate an
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Islamic holiday. For Geary, this is unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Is there a safe place to pray?
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Can a racialized employee or a First Nation employee have
leave or other considerations for cultural needs? That's an issue
that's consistently raised as a barrier for First Nations employees
in the reality is the only religious holidays enshrined in
law in this country are Christian ones.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Again, why is that a bad thing? We are a
Christian country. That's the reality. There are forty nine Muslim
majority countries. Fatima could go to if she wanted to
be in a fully culturally safe environment. The opinion piece
wraps up by saying, despite not being subjected to racial,
cultural or religious slurs, Fatima experienced racism at every step
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of her employment journey. Siver Arman says, while DII policies
might get diverse staff in the door, they're not enough.
We need mandatory cultural safety and anti racism training, a
positive duty to prevent racism, and a whole of society approach.
So civer Arman thinks we will improve productivity by relaxing
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overseas qualification requirements, allowing people to speak foreign languages in
the workplace, forcing people through government sanctioned anti racist to
re education programs, and giving public holidays for religions other
than Christianity, while burdening businesses with more laws and regulations
to proactively prevent racism. That would improve Australia's productivity. Right.
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Every Australian, of course, should call out racism if and
where they see it, But that's very different to erasing
our culture and shaming our country based on no evidence.
We are such a tolerant country that we pay an immigrant.
Gary Cibaman four hundred thousand dollars to tell us how
racist we are. Something that would improve our country's productivity
(10:40):
is cutting government spending. Gary's salary could be the first
to go. We could end discriminatory affirmative action policies and quotas,
especially in the public service, and focus on merit instead
of identity. Divisive racial policy was soundly rejected by Australia
in the Voice referendum, and it is shameful that we
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as taxpayers pay Siver Armand's salary. I've got a massive
show lined up for you tonight. Victorian socialist Jordan vandalamb
will join me for a heated debate on housing and
Israel and Palestine. Plus special guest Zach Sage Fox, the
(11:24):
US comedian and commentator going viral for exposing anti Semitism
on university campuses. He's here in Australia and is appalled
by the hatred keys encountered. Plenty more coming up for
you tonight, but let's not hold back time to get
into it with my panel. Joining me is Zoe Booth
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from Couillette and political commentator Josh Dabelstein. Today, we saw
really ugly scenes in Melbourne this weekend after a hardcore
group of transactivists hijacked a women's rights rally. Four people
were did this is what happened, Zoe? There were only
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forty women at the pro women's rights rally. Are women
who believe in biology really that intimidating?
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Yeah, Like, I know many of these women and they're
just normal women. They're moms, many of them are grandma's
and they're just they're saying something that most Australians believe in,
which is that there are only two sexes, men and women,
and that you know, we can acknowledge how someone identifies
and you know, respect that without having to give up
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so many of our rights, like our rights to our
you know, it's female only spaces things like this. So no,
these women there are a grassroots organization and they're not
intimidating at all.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
One of the interesting elements of this protest was that
the masked counter protesters held up a banner that said
death to Australia. Now, I maybe you could shed some
light on this, Josh, for us, but I don't really
see the connection between stanning biology for women's rights regardless
of what your views are on trans issues, and then
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saying death to Australia why.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
Look, I'm not entirely sure that it has much to
do with protecting trans people at all firstly, but you know,
to get to the crux of the question, which is
why this has anything to do with hating Australia, we
really need to kind of understand what it is that
drives a lot of these popular movements. I think number one,
the idea that these movements are somehow a legitimate reaction
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to something terrible going on is something that we're seeing
across the board to be a little bit strange and
usually untrue. A lot of the protests that have happened,
especially over the last two years, are no manifestation of
fringe movements, but in fact things that speak to what
the majority of people seem to think, regardless of whether
or not that is reasonable. But that's said, I think
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that those who seem to turn up at this rally
to actually hold the rally in the first place, they
seem to have an idea that this new legislation to
protect trans people was somehow going to prevent anyone from
going into women's only spaces, or that somehow this is
going to change the way in which sports are played.
And having read the legislation. Not a lawyer, but I'm
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not sure what relevance that has at all. So firstly,
the rally itself, to me, originally was challenging, but people
are entitled to go and express their opinions and the
fact that while I don't agree necessarily, I'm not going
to turn up and try to shut them down. So
what I do think is really important to address, which
is something you've brought up, is how this plays into
a broader Australian hatred narrative. And I think that that's
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really interesting. What do they hate about this country. I'm
not entirely sure, but I do believe that what unites
this omni causal aggression towards Australia is pathological.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Very very interesting on that line. But even if the
exact legislation is not making it worse for women, I
do understand why a lot of women feel as though
their rights aren't being protected at the moment in Australia.
But let's move on to another issue that's going on
in New South Wales. Premier Chris Mins has announced a
million dollar grand to combat is Lamophobia. Now, one of
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the examples that the president of the Mum's Council said
was that there were microaggressions towards Muslims. Now, no one
wants to see islamophobia. But is that really the biggest
challenge facing us right now? Josh, I have no idea.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
I've never been a Muslim, and I've never been a
Muslim that has experienced an aggression of any type, micro
or macro. What I can say is that there are
a lot of people who are expressing Islamophobia and they
want something done about it. I think it's reasonable that
the state try to do something about it. What I find, really,
what I find difficult to work around, is why these
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things seem to always be some type of contest between
different types of prejudice. So I think, for example, when
Jillian Siegel, the Antisemitism Envoy, came out and gave her
report to Australia and what could be done with regards
to antisemitism, it was immediately met with this kind of challenge.
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But what about Islamophobia. I'm not going to say that
islam Islamophobia isn't a problem, but I find the way
in which it's used as a political football to be,
you know something, and if.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You can't talk about anti Semitism without simultaneously talking about Islamophobia.
Then do you really care about either of them, to
be honest, or are you just trying to play cap voters?
But Zoe, the other thing we've seen since October seven
is prominent Islamic groups around the country in the West
as a whole, have been all but silent condemning October seven,
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condemning Hamas, condemning anti Semitism in general. So is it
really appropriate to give taxpayer funds I'm speaking generally here.
Is it appropriate to give taxpayer funds to anyone who
can't condemn terrorism?
Speaker 6 (17:05):
No, of course it's not appropriate. And it's been pretty
dismaying to see this constant, as Joshua was saying, every
time anti Semitism comes up, someone usually from the left
or from these Muslim groups, says, hey, but what about Islamophobia.
I'm not denying that Islamophobia does happen, but we know
that Jews are one hundred and forty times more likely
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to experience anti Semitism than Muslims. And it's simply a
reality that you know. I live in Rose Bay, it's
a very Jewish area of Sydney. There's a there's a
Turkish Muslim restaurant there, the women wear his jobs. Everyone
there loves this restaurant.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
There are no issues.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Yet I can't wear a star of David in Lakember
without risking something happening to me.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
And I'm not even.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Jewish, but I'd be perceived as Jewish. So it's not
a maths equation. I don't know why people are constantly
trying to balance it out and say they're equally bad
or they happen equally as much.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
They simply don't. It's the data. Yeah, well, I want
to get your thoughts on this. One hundred year old
diggers who fought and risk their lives for this country.
We're giving their wisdom in The Australian over the weekend
about why they fought to protect Australia. We haven't met
a defense recruitment target in about twenty years, if not more.
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Do you think it comes down to this constant narrative
of self loathing and how do we fix it? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Look, that's a huge part of it, and it's really
concerning that we don't have enough people who are willing
to pick up a weapon to protect Australia when push
comes to shove, which could happen. Who knows, very concerning
And yeah, I do think it's correct that it's this
constant demonization. I mean we saw it at the Trans
rally in Melbourne, this trans activists saying death to Australia.
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Why why is there this constant gradation of Australia. Australia
is a fantastic country. We have issues, but travel anywhereeness
around the world and you'll see just how good.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
We have it here, exactly right, and millions of people
have chosen to migrate here because we are such an
amazing country. Thank you so much, Zoe and Josh, you
guys are awesome. Thanks for your time this evening. Now
it's time for my burning issue, anti Semitism. There is
no shortage of university campus craziness here in Australia. With
anti Semitism exploding over the last two years. My next guest,
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comedian activist and founder of fat Camp Films, Zack Sage Fox,
has exposed anti Jewish hate with videos viewed by millions
of people across the globe. Have a look, okay, and
then where will the Jews go?
Speaker 9 (19:46):
Well?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Will the Jews go?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
We make is a pause you can go to How.
Speaker 10 (19:49):
Do you think one day London will be all Muslim
and charl Lahage from who do you think we should
put up there?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Sim Wark?
Speaker 10 (19:54):
Go ahead, Yeah, I'm a Jew about to go undercover
at a pre Palestine protest in.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
London and please to say Zach Sage. Folks joins me now,
thank you so much for joining us, Zach. Zach, you've
visited a number of sites that have been the center
of the anti Semitism that has just exploded in Australia.
Tell us what that's been like.
Speaker 10 (20:17):
Yeah, you know, it's been an amazing trip to be
able to come in and learn from the Australian diaspora
of Jews. But I would say I'm worried, you know,
because of the position I've been put in. You know,
as a Jewish activist, I've really gotten to travel around
the world to different Jewish communities. I've been to Vancouver,
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Mexico City, I'm going to Montreal next month, and so
I've really gotten to hear the different stories from all
around the world of what Jewish communities are dealing with.
Because this movement against us, the hate movement, the anti
semitism movement against Jews, because of social media, has become
so global it's affected the entire diaspora. But I would
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say that this feels it's like the sort of heaviest
cloud I've seen on the Jewish people throughout the world
that I've been to so far. I haven't been everywhere, obviously,
but you know, I think it feels like the Jewish
community here is really outnumbered for how bad the anti
Semitism have gotten. You know, there's only about, from what
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I've told, one hundred thousand Jews in Australia in general.
Speaker 9 (21:24):
That's insane.
Speaker 10 (21:25):
I'm from the suburbs of Philadelphia. There's you know, almost
three hundred thousand Jews just they are alone.
Speaker 9 (21:31):
And so you know, it's.
Speaker 10 (21:32):
Really put into perspective how not only isolated you guys
are geographically as the Jewish I asked for right here,
but you guys are really really outnumbered in a way that.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
Just feels so unfair and so unjust. And I'm worried.
Speaker 10 (21:47):
And the amount of Jews who have asked me whether
they need to leave Australia is staggering. It was the
number one question I got on my trip, and it's
the one question I can't answer because I want to
tell Jews to be strong and to you know, show
up wherever you are. But something really sinister is happening
here in Australia, and it seems like the overall consensus
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I've gotten is that your government is they just don't
care about Jews. It really seems like they just don't care.
Speaker 9 (22:16):
You know.
Speaker 10 (22:16):
I was at East Melbourne Synagogue synagogue that was lit
on fire, but luckily it didn't burn to flames because
it was caught in time by the pro Pai activists
who lit it on fire, whereas the synagogue was actually
completely burned down here just a few months before.
Speaker 9 (22:33):
You know, it's just shocking.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
You know.
Speaker 10 (22:35):
I went into East Melbourne and prayed with the rabbi
put Onto fill In, and it really felt reminiscent of
when I went to Auschwitz and we prayed and brought
torahs to the concentration camps. You know, it really felt
like trying to find some meaning from the ashes of
the massacre, and it was I'm worried about you guys for.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
A Yeah, it's really really disturbing. And one of the
things we've seen is just huge amount of anti Israel protests.
In fact, an article from the Daily Telegraph just today
exposed how a Sydney based Muslim leader who attended the
funeral of Hezbolla's terrorist leader was marching in the front
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row of the pro Palestine rally on the Harbor Bridge
in two thousand and one, an Israeli called Jews miserly
and cowardly and also praised Holocaust deniers. Now you've seen
pro Palestine rallies all around the world, what is the
crowd life? Because to me, it seems like people sort
of fit into one of three categories, radical Islamists, radical leftists,
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and useful idiots. What do you think.
Speaker 10 (23:44):
I just went to one of the protests that I
can say it was a mix of all three, honestly.
Speaker 9 (23:49):
But you know, it's interesting.
Speaker 10 (23:53):
You know, one of the things that's I think so
unique to this moment, and it's the thing that I'm
fighting the most. This is my battlefield, this is social
media battlefield. You know, there's there's different flavors. You know,
your protest feel a little bit more cartooning, I think
in some ways than even the ones in America. But
the similarities between all of these protests are shocking because
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basically what it shows is that this movement against the
Jews through social media. You know, it's it's so similar
all across the world. You know, I've now been the
ones in the UK, in America obviously and now here and.
Speaker 9 (24:31):
There's you know, they're they're so similar.
Speaker 10 (24:33):
They're all getting the same Hamas propaganda, which is actually
making people in the West say that Hamas a radical
jihadi terrorist group. Is they're that they're the good guys
and that the Jews are the bad guys.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
It is shocking and it's depressing. And our Prime Minister
seems to think that he's going to create a democratic
state of Palestine, except what he doesn't realize is more
people support Hamas than the Palestinian or authority, and even
the Palestinian authority is hardly a beacon of moderate, peace
loving people. You've been to that no one at.
Speaker 10 (25:08):
These protests is calling for the hostages to be released.
I mean that would the crazy thing is the things
that would actually.
Speaker 9 (25:14):
End the war.
Speaker 10 (25:15):
No one's calling for that, no one. They are just
calling for Israel to be wiped off the map.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
You've been to the West Bank, Zach, and you've spoken
to people about October seven and Hammas. What is the
attitude of the average person in the West Bank to
Hamas versus the Palestinian authority and awre they supportive of
what happened on October seven, because the polling would suggest
they are.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (25:39):
Yeah, Like you said, I'm one of the only people
who has gone to Palestine since October seventh, which again.
Speaker 9 (25:47):
I'm a comedian. I mean, the fact that.
Speaker 10 (25:49):
I had to go there to go break the story
is it's depressing. It's depressing because I had to go
risk my life as a Jew. As you know, if
you say you're Jewish IMpower, you will be killed, you
will be kidnapped. There's no Jews in Gaza before October seventh.
There hadn't been since two thousand and five when Israel
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left Gaza and removed all of the Jews and then
they voted Hamas in. As you saw in my report,
I couldn't find a Palestinian who didn't support Hamas. But
the scary thing is it's not that different now when
I'm on the streets of Australia talking to pro Palestine
people or when i'm you know, in New York talking
to people. The scary thing is that Palestine has been
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freed in terms of ideology in terms of ethos, in
terms of spirit. You know, the love for Hamas is
no different on the streets of Palestine than it is
here in Australia, and your government is asleep at the wheel.
We have politicians who are like that as well, but
obviously we have Donald Trump in office. I'm a political independent,
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but you got to give Trump credit where credits due.
He's been very sound on this issue, which is not
that he's anti Palestinian, but that the thought of talking
about a Palestinian state right now, who would run it?
Speaker 9 (27:04):
Humas? I mean, this would be.
Speaker 10 (27:05):
A direct reward for October seventh, and it would enable
more terrorism and more murder of Jews and jihad all
around the world. That's where your Prime Minister has completely
dropped the ball.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
It's just the truth, one hundred percent. Well, thank you
so much for joining us, Zack Sage Fox, best of
luck with all your work.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
Thank you, yeah, thank you so much. Thanks for having
me Forrey. You're the best. Keep doing good work too.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Don't go anywhere. My heated debate on housing with Victorian
socialist Jordan van de Lamb after this short break plus
viral Scottish sensation Robin Bagpipes joins me to discuss how
he's spreading Scottish culture across the globe. Welcome back to
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the program. It's now time for the great debate. Socialists strange.
They go to protests which they film on their iPhones,
Thanks capitalism. They call for the overthrow of Australia, thanks
freedom of speech, and rage about how horrible Australia is,
even though thousands of refuge here fleeing socialism and millions
have moved here for a better life. But anyway, on Friday,
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I went back to my alma mater, Sydney University to
check out the Socialist convention and try to get some answers.
This is how it went. Do you want to have
a chat about socialism?
Speaker 8 (28:29):
No?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Why are you here today?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
She's from Sky News.
Speaker 9 (28:31):
I would engage.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Does anybody want to talk you guys? Have you come
to this conference to not talk about socialism? Because I'm
trying to talk to anyone, but no one's down for
a chat. It's a shame.
Speaker 9 (28:47):
I don't really feel like.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
You know, it actually felt a lot like true socialism
because there was no freedom of speech and no one
would dare talk to me because I wasn't from approved media. Yeah,
well they couldn't give me any answers. I'm hoping my
next guest might. Each week I'll be taking on someone
with opposing views. We want to break out of the
echo chamber and have some real heated debates. So joining
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me tonight is Jordan vandalamb Senate candidate for the Victorian
Socialist Party. Thank you so much for joining me, Jordan,
it's nice to be with you this evening. Jordan, you
make videos about bad rental properties, things like kitchens being unfinished,
or bathrooms in poor conditions, even apartments in people's garages.
But isn't that just the free market at work. No
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one is forcing anyone to rent these properties.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, it's the.
Speaker 11 (29:39):
Free market at work, which is why it needs to
be destroyed.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Right, So if you eliminated private rental properties, how would
anyone rent it all?
Speaker 11 (29:50):
Well, those properties wouldn't go anywhere, they wouldn't just disappear.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
We could just live in them. That's how it should work.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
But who would How would you have any pricing mechanism?
Because I would love to go live in a ten
million dollar house in Tuak or the Eastern suburbs, but
that's just not possible. You have to have some sort
of market to arrange things.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
No, you don't.
Speaker 11 (30:15):
You just absolutely don't. Like that's the least efficient way
to arrange things. It's the least efficient distributor of need.
I think, yeah, it's pretty clear that you know your
main concern is how would people make profit instead of
why would like, oh, it's a way to stop ten
thousand people experiencing homelessness every month in Australia. Like, yeah,
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we just don't need markets for human need.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
But markets are an efficient way of distributing things, Yes
they are.
Speaker 11 (30:46):
How would they If a market's an efficient way of
distributing something, then why do we have more than one
hundred thousand empty properties in the Melbourne metropolitan area alone
while we have less well thirty thousand people approximately in
the entire state of Victoria experiencing homelessness. Why do we
have you know, coals and woolies throw away tons and
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tons of food every day while hunger levels in Australia
are increasing faster than we've ever had on record.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Like, that's just not correct, that's wrong.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Well, what would be the incentive for anyone to build?
Because I accept there are vacant properties, but there are
a number of reasons for that. If you're moving between homes.
A property might be vacant for a period of time,
if it's on the market, if it's waiting for someone
to rent it out. There are plenty of reasons for
vacant properties. But the fundamental drivers of the housing market
a supply and demand. Currently in Australia we have constricted
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supply because we have an unproductive construction industry because a
lot of red tape and government regulation.
Speaker 11 (31:47):
Too many bureaucrats and constructions construction, Yeah, absolutely, okay.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
So we can agree on that that's a good thing.
So you slash that, slash red tape.
Speaker 11 (31:56):
And then splash the bosses in construction and let us
build stuff. Absolutely, Let the work is earn more for
the work that they're doing, and get rid of the.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Bosses who would be building stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Then work is.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
In businesses well. Work needs to be managed by business needs.
Speaker 11 (32:15):
Like a planned economy is the way to do stuff.
That's just how it should work.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
When has a planned economy ever worked?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Plenty of times, plenty of times.
Speaker 11 (32:25):
Anytime that we get anywhere close to building a planned economy,
capitalism in the market spends billions and billions of dollars
mobilizing forces to destroy it.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
But I would say red tape, which we both agreed,
is an issue the over regulation of the construction industry
that is over regularly. That's an example of the planned economy.
Speaker 11 (32:47):
I don't agree with that. It's not the overregulation of
the construction industry. It's the over the over representation of
bureaucrats in the construction industry.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Bureaucrats as well as boss is.
Speaker 11 (33:00):
Get rid of the bosses, get rid of the bureaucrats,
and like the regulations that exist are so that houses
don't fall down and so that people don't die, those
regulations are important.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I want to live in a building that's.
Speaker 11 (33:12):
Not going to fall on me, like the mascot towers
and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I want to live in a.
Speaker 11 (33:16):
Building that is nice, good quality, beautiful, accessible, like something
that's not going to kill me because of black mole,
because of poor construction. But I don't want to live
in a building that I can't afford.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
But the bureaucrats that are in the construction industry have
increased in direct proportion with the regulation and red tape
that's been put on the construction industry.
Speaker 11 (33:42):
I mean, sure, yeah, there's a way that you can
argue that, but like, that's not the reason that bureaucrats
and bosses increase. They increase because they can profit more.
That's the direct correlation, the more direct correlation.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
But that doesn't really make sense because if you're a
construction for and your motivation is to make profit, why
would you be employing unproductive bureaucrats to sit there in
paper shuffle when you could be employing more workers who
could build more stuff and making more money.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
They're the bureaucrats, the bosses of the bureaucrats.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
But without the bosses, nothing gets built.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
That's not correct. That's just not correct.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
That is correct, that is absolutely correct. But anyway, let's
move the opera house.
Speaker 11 (34:23):
The Sydney Opera House was completed under workers' control, like
no bosses.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
They literally kicked the bosses off site.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Again, and you are yet to give an example of
any country in the world socialism has actually worse. Maybe
you could do it for one building, but it couldn't
work for the entire economy at all. Let's move right now,
because I think we could be here absolutely absolutely all
night debating socialism. But when the government moved to announce
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its intentions to recognize palaesign. A couple of days ago,
you tweeted on X that how about we unrecognize Israel?
Isn't that a little bit unfair? Given Israel is the
only homeland of the Jewish people and history has taught
us what happens when they don't have a state. Do
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you truly believe Israel shouldn't exist at all?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I think no state has a right to exist. I
think people have a right to exist.
Speaker 11 (35:24):
So yeah, I think that's uncontroversial that we should unrecognize
a state, an ethno state and apartheid, ethno state that
is committing a genocide on Palaestinian people.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
You support recognizing Palestine.
Speaker 11 (35:37):
Well, like not like code like it's I think it's
I think it's a cowardly move by Alberanizi to like
recognize the rubble that he helped create, and while he
still while he does that, while he recognizes Palestine, still
supplies and arms Israel to help bomb the Palestinians. I
think that's like, I don't think that's going to help
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the Palestinian people whatsoever?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Do you think having harmas running Gaza will help the
Palestinian people?
Speaker 11 (36:07):
Well, I think, like, I don't think that's relevant to
the people that are being killed by the State of Israel.
Like I don't think who runs the people being killed
is the relevant question here?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
But why did this war start?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Why do you think it started?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Because on October seven, thousands of Hamas on October rating,
Israel broke into the country through multiple places by air,
by land, by sea, massacred hundreds of young people at
a music festival, took.
Speaker 11 (36:38):
Two hundred massacred them under the Hannibal directive.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
But like, yeah, this, so do you deny the atrocities
forty eight? That's not up for debate.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
So you just said you actually think Harmas didn't kill civilians,
it was the IDF. Is that what you're claiming?
Speaker 11 (36:56):
The IDF killed a significantly higher proportion of Israeli's villians
than Harmast did on October seven? That's in controversial.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
That is so false. Let me ask you this, do
you consider hamas a terrorist organization?
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I think that's not relevant.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
How is that not relevant? That is the fundamental point.
As long as you have a terrorist organization.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
You can ConTroll in Gaza, they will.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Wage endless wars against Israel, massacring civilians. They have said
they will commit October seven as many times as is
required to annihilate the state of Israel and by extension,
the Jewish people. If you can't see that that is
the definition of terrorism and the biggest barrier in the
path to peace in the Middle East, then I don't
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know what planet you're living on.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Right. Let me ask you a question. Are you familiar
with Nelson Mandela?
Speaker 9 (37:46):
Of course?
Speaker 11 (37:47):
Okay, well, I'm going to use his words to kind
of answer your question here. But Nelson Mandela said, and
this is true, that if you have a problem with.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
The means, so that means that.
Speaker 11 (38:01):
The oppressed use the oppressed used to resist their oppressor.
They're determined by the oppressor. So if you have a
problem with the means used to resist the oppressor, then
you should you should condemn, and you should criticize the
oppressor for getting rid of all means of resistance except violence.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
That's the only means that.
Speaker 11 (38:22):
The Palacinians have to resist their genocidal oppressors. And if
you have a problem with that, then your condemnation should
lie with the oppressor.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
What I have a problem with is the murder of
innocent civilians on October with that too Jewish Israel is
acting is the one who's incredible measures kill all those
people to protect civilians. If you don't say if you
don't see October seven as terrorism, then I don't even
(38:57):
know what to say to you. And ultimately, this war
could have been ended. All these civilian lives could have
been saved if her Mask had laid down its weapons
and given back the hostages and committed to building Jaza
with our Mask.
Speaker 11 (39:11):
Rightly offered at least four times to return all of
the hostages, and Israel has said no every single time.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
That is plenty. Look, thank you so much, Jordan. We're
out of time now. Thank you for coming on this show.
We really appreciate your time. Have a good evening, thanks
for having me so. In conclusion, her Mask controlling Gaza
is apparently irrelevant to whether or not there'll be peace,
(39:39):
and it was actually the IDF that killed most of
the people on October seven. Insane. But look, even though
I thoroughly vehemently disagree with everything Jordan just said, I
appreciate that he was willing to come on, and that's
what this is all about. Let's have the debate. Well,
still plenty more to come after the break. The left
is incomplete meltdown over Donald tr plan to crack down
(40:01):
on crime in Washington, DC. I cover that with one
Aussie who's moved over to the US, and he does
not hold back. Welcome back Australian country. Singer Jack Garaerty
or slow Jack as he's known on social media, has
a mass over five hundred thousand followers for calling out
(40:23):
the left hypocrisy and he definitely doesn't hold back. I'm
pleased to say, Jack joins me now, thanks so much
for coming on. Jack. Our prime minister here in Australia
is on his fourth meeting with China, but he hasn't
had a single meeting with Trump. Meanwhile, he wants the
US to hand over some of its most sensitive military
(40:46):
technology orcus powered submarines. How is this reasonable or fair
when you won't even meet with Trump.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
Yeah, nothing makes me more confident in Australia's sovereignty than
a prime ministy going back and talking with China again.
You know, as an Australian, we're used to our politicians.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Just being in cahoots to those people.
Speaker 8 (41:07):
I love how our greatest ally, America doesn't get any
time but Jijing, Pina gets a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
You know, yeah, exactly. And do you think that is
playing poorly for us in America? What is American's perception
of Australia when we're closing up to China but not
even attempting to meet with Trump.
Speaker 8 (41:28):
Yeah, the Australian perception worldwide has changed, especially in America.
I think Australia's kind of people growing intolerant of Australia
because we increasingly kind of inject our woke ideas and
our general smugness. Is a nation, it's college educated kids
and these prime ministers who try to act like normal
people but don't give any time to the people that
should be bringing attention to being friends with that hanging
(41:52):
out with China more than their allies. And you can
feel in America. I'll live here in Nashville, you know,
people look at Australia and they go, oh, Australia used
to be cool, Australia used to be this and that.
I think the Prime minister and the general populace and all,
it's all part of the bigger, bigger issue, you know,
like the politicians, they all they affect the way we're
seen across the world. So you know, I've our politicians.
(42:13):
You know, if our politicians are talking to the wrong
people when they're being morons, and you know, people are
going to look at us and they go, oh, I
guess Australians and morons.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
You know, there are representatives after all. Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing.
In the US, the Democrats are in hysterics about Trump's
DC takeover. They're even trying to deny that crime is
an issue in Washington, DC, which seems remarkable because when
you look at the facts, it's fairly obvious. They're trying
(42:41):
to claim that the crime rate is actually the lowest
it's been in thirty years. But an expert's now saying
that the best measure of crime is really the murder rate,
and when you look at the murder rate, it's eighty
three percent higher than what it was at its lowest
point ever, which was about twelve years ago. I think
arguing that crime is not an issue, arguing against law
(43:03):
and order is one way that the Democrats can guarantee
they keep losing forever.
Speaker 9 (43:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (43:10):
Well, look, I've been on tour, I've been to DC
many a time, and yeah, you go there and you know,
there's there's homeless people. Good lord, people try to say
your crack on the side of the street, like it's.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
You pop and candy.
Speaker 8 (43:21):
So you know, you go there, you can feel it,
the people can feel it, the civilians can feel it.
You walk around, you're like, this is supposed to be
the doorstep of America. Doesn't really represent the law and
order that it's supposed to.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Look at the murder eight.
Speaker 8 (43:33):
If there's a lot of murders, I'm guessing there's a
lot of crime because that's one of the crimes. So
you know, I think it's sick that he's going and
cleaning it up. These people at DC, they're making up
excuses they couldn't They couldn't do it to save their lives.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
They rule and cohoes to each other.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
Well look at it, mate, get someone in there, clean
up all those homeless people, get all that crack off
the street. Apparently it's supposed to be the capital of
the country, so let's treat as such.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
But well, I want to take you to New York now,
where a new candidate has entered the race. You'll obviously
remember Zoran mum Dani, the radical socialist, won the Democratic
primary with promises like running city run grocery stores socialism
one oh one. But a new candidate has now entered
the race, Cuban born entrepreneur Joseph Hernandez. He said he's
(44:20):
motivated to fight in this race because he despises socialism.
He said, I'm a believer in the American Dream. I'm
a believer in capitalism. It's not perfect, but it's lifted
more people out of poverty than any other ideology. Now,
I think that sums it up so well. Anyone who
has lived under socialism, who has truly experienced it, they
(44:42):
are some of the most ferven supporters of capitalism of
the American Dream. Why does socialists always think this time
it'll be different. I know it's failed every other time.
But Zora mum Dani he thinks he can do it
in New York. You look at his history.
Speaker 8 (44:57):
He comes from a wealthy family who went to a
private school. His dad's a multi millionaire. Of course, he
likes communism. He doesn't understand how fundamental capitalism and just
the general open free market is to getting people out
of the ground floor.
Speaker 9 (45:10):
And into situations that he grew up in.
Speaker 8 (45:13):
He takes his whole situation for granted, when people like me,
sons of carpenters, we need capitalism, We need the free
market to express our ideas and get out of bad situations.
I was living in my car and I participated in
the free market here in America and in Australia, and
here I am with the business. So I'm living proof
and so many other people are. And you look at
these places like New York. Yeah, what do you know,
(45:34):
Like a bunch of people in the city don't understand
how fundamental the working class and the capitalist society, where
the capitalist system works, and how fundamental it is for
the growth of the nation. And of course someone like
Zo Ran and all these private school educated people, they
love communism because they understand why capitalism is so fundamental
(45:55):
to getting out of the lower class, because they grew
up and they'll you know, you know, they're all gathered
up in this upper middle.
Speaker 9 (46:01):
Class looking down at us.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
It's a class thing, if you ask me, totally. And
millions of people have fled socialism to come to the
free Western world. Basically, no one has gone the other way. Well,
thank you so much for your time this evening, Jack,
We really really appreciate it. Your legend. Everyone can go
check you out on Instagram and best of luck with
your music career and life of the US.
Speaker 8 (46:23):
Hey, thanks mate, it's a pleasure. Congratulations on your new show.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Thanks Jack.
Speaker 10 (46:27):
Well.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
My next guest is taking the traditional Scottish bagpipe all
around the globe. Take a look. So, Robin, you've gone
all around the world with your bagpipes. You've gone to
India and you've played on trains. Often multiculturalism only goes
(46:51):
one way. The West is supposed to accept many cultures,
but very few people take Western culture around the world.
What was the reaction like to your bagpipes.
Speaker 12 (47:02):
I think most people would be really surprised to find
out that they actually loved it most of the time.
In fact, the reason I played the very first time
on a train wasn't to pest them off. Oh sorry,
what wasn't to irritate them, It was just to It
was actually because they were chanting and asking me to play,
so the very first time I played, they actually wanted
me to do that.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Thank you so much, Robin. We really appreciate that. And
I love the killed. I love the whole get up.
And everyone can check you out online if they want
to see some amazing images of you going around India
with your bagpipes. You're a legend. Well, thank you everyone
for watching. It has been such an honor to be
with you all this evening. If there are any more
stories you want me to cover, lefties you want me
(47:46):
to debate, please email me at freyet dot Leach at
sky News dot com dot au. That's all we have
time for. Goodnight,
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