August 24, 2025 • 48 mins
A German neo-Nazi who calls trans people parasites to serve his sentence in a women’s prison after declaring he’s female, the pornification of our culture sparks debate. Plus, Victorian Labor rules all new schools will carry Aboriginal names.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Right now, Freyer fires up.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Let's get into the three things that are firing me
up tonight. More trans nonsense, the sexualization of everything, and
labors virtue signaling. But first, a convicted German neo nazisven Leebik,
who once called trans people fascists and parasites on society,
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will be sent to a women's prison to serve out
the remainder of his term.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Why because he identifies as a woman.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Maggie Thatcher was right when she said if you have
to tell people you are, you aren't.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
But this case really.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Does expose the absurdity of gender self id laws. Last
year Germany changed its law so that anyone can change
their gender by simply declaring their new gender without having
to go through any gender reassignment surgery or even get
consultation from a doctor. And now they've ended up with
the comical site of a far right extremist in drag
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and the much less funny reality that he'll now be
serving his sentence in a female prison. And if you
think this isn't going to happen in Australia, unfortunately you're wrong.
In July, double murderer Terry Mark Donnie asked to be
transferred to a women's prison after serving nineteen years of
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his forty three year term because he'd begun taking estrogen
a couple of months ago. Now, my first question is
why are we paying for the gender transition of a
murderer when we've got ozzie families struggling to keep a
roof over their heads. But anyway, Corrective Services took a
year to process his application and ultimately the government intervened
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to block it. But in the future this will be
much harder to stop thanks to Chris Minz's radical gender
self i d laws. All it takes now to legally
change your gender even on your birth certificate is a
couple of minutes online.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
From next Tuesday, it's going to be easier for the
people of New South Wales for gender diverse people to
be able to update their birth certificate. And up until now,
New South Wales has been the only jurisdiction where it
required a person to undergo surgery to be able to
change their registered six. But the amendments that have been
made to the Birth Tests and Marriages Registration Act nineteen
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ninety five, something I share with the Attorney General, do away.
With this requirement, people seeking the change of legal documentation
will be able to apply online to a new digital application.
We've made a streamlined as well.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Mate, nice and easy, and that's how you end up
with an anti trans male neo Nazi in female jails.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Welcome to our near reality.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
The second issue I'm fired up tonight about is the
punification of our culture. Social media is being used as
a way to sexualize young girls and funnel young boys
into pornography at younger and younger ages, and even public
broadcasters are feeding into the porn culture.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
You might remember.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
ABC's Triple j S, the ABC's attempt to be cool
and relevant to young people, except the last time it
was was way before I was born. Their audience is hemorrhaging,
and they're struggling to expand beyond their base of Newtown
socialist collectives, so they've decided to embrace the old adage
sex cells. Let me introduce you to the Triple J's podcast,
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The Hookup. It's ostensibly about love and relationships, but in
reality most episodes are so inappropriate I would be violating
broadcasting standards if I read their titles out to you.
This is some of the insightful commentary you can expect
from our national broadcaster.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
We have to talk about a lot of stuff from
our sex life in this podcast, and I think for
the first time ever, this is a bit like maybe
this is like the line like we were like yep, this, that,
that and that and then this. I'm like, maybe the
most special fantasy is like it should just be for you.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
It's just for me.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
No, you don't have to talk about any of this.
In fact, no one actually wants you talking about any
of this.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And here is the hookup.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Grappling with the issues that are really affecting young Australians.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Now, what does it look like when people that don't
identify as cis gender have to encounter the medical space
and have to encounter this process while straddling with other
quote unquote wounds like body dysmorphia, like so did bodies
for it, like all of these other additional elements. So
it was really important to actually include the voices of
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people that have different genders to me, that have encountered abortion.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
So she's talking about including the voices of trans people
when talking about a Look, I'm just as confused as you,
and I think she's more confused than both of us.
But the UK's publicly funded broadcaster, to Channel four, has
also lowered itself to cheap sex. It commissioned a documentary
called one Thousand Men and Me, The Bonnie Blue Story
about how Bonnie Blue managed to sleep with one thousand
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men in one day. This is Bonnie Blue talking about
the kind of adult content she makes, and a warning
before we play, this is very distasteful.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
You have a very specific niche don't you yes tell
us about that? So that illegal eighteen year olds?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
What last year she got banned from Australia for going
to school is to find these barely legal eighteen year
olds to film adult content with. If it was a
man looking for barely legal women, would the public broadcast
be spending taxpayer dollars making a documentary about it? No,
they'd probably be get getting investigator by the police. Our
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public broadcasters should be strengthening our nation, not degrading it
by feeding into the putification of our culture. But more
later on this, because our great debate this week is
with Melinda Tankard Rice, an anti paorn activist, facing off
against Belinda Gavin, an adult content creator. You won't want
to miss that this week, Victorian Lama also declared.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
That all new schools will be.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Given Aboriginal names instead of suburb names. Thompson's West Primary
School will become Mirian Primary, which means Moon, and Wallet
Central Primary School will become Weary Geary Primary School, which
means Messenger. This is just textbook virtue signaling. Labour has
justified the move by saying it will help reconciliation. How
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there are plenty of schools and suburbs with Indigenous names already.
Is reconciliation so much better in those areas? No, if anything,
moves like this actually set back the process of real
reconciliation because they make inner city activists feel like they're
doing something without actually improving anything. The real reason the
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gap isn't closing is because we don't have enough Indigenous names.
It's actually because we're being distracted by superficial issues instead
of dealing with the causes of disadvantage, culture and choices.
If we're going to close the gap, we have to
have a better way of directing support. As many as
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thirty to forty percent of the country's nine hundred thousand
Aboriginal people have no genuine Aboriginal heritage at all a
concern that's been publicly raised by numerous Indigenous leaders, or
they're self identifying while not actually living in disadvantaged conditions.
The real entrenched disadvantage is concentrated in around one hundred
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and fifty thousand people living in remote or very remote communities.
Funding and opportunities end up going to the many who
qualify rather than the few who need it, and the
culture of victimhood has to stop. What the media and
political class have to acknowledge but won't is that Indigenous
people are better off today than they were before colonization.
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It's not to minimize the pain and suffering that's come
along the way, but it is the truth and trying
to separate them from the rest of Australia won't improve
their lives.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
When racial separatism that designates a class of Australians as
another is prioritized over serving Australians on the basis of need,
we experience failure.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
And the other question that needs answering is where is
all the money going. Roughly forty billion dollars a year
is being spent on Indigenous programs, but no one seems
to know where it's all going, let alone the outcomes
it's producing. Indigenous corporations often manage multimillion dollars budgets, yet
one in three Indigenous corporations still hasn't filed legal reports
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on their operations for the twenty twenty three financial year,
which was due last December. So we need to have
an honest conversation about who is defined as indigenous, start
providing support on the basis of need rather than race,
and conduct a full audit of where all our money
is going. I've got another big show coming up for
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you tonight. Former Deputy Prime Minister John Anderson joins me
live to discuss the fracturing of Australia's relationship with Israel.
Also tonight, fiery debate over the impact of pornography on society,
plus the delusional Democrats are added again. I will have
the latest headlines from the US with Jamie Lee Franklin
later in this hour, but first let's get into the
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panel Tonight. Joining me is filmmaker Ali Tabreezi and chief
economist at the Research Center Nikolu Ali. Today we saw
a nationwide protest in Sydney, Melbourne and brisb Bitten. They
claim to be about standing for humanity, standing for Palestine,
But you don't see any one of them holding posters
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of the hostages.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Of course it is.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
I mean not everyone that goes out into the streets
and protests has the answer. And unfortunately, what's really sad
to see is that none of them have been calling
for exactly the thing that would end this in five
seconds flat, that would help alleviate the suffering of people
in Israel but also in Gaza, and that is to
release the hostages and also for Hamas to surrender. Until
they do those things, this is going to proliferate. And
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so what I'd like to see is this message going
out on every single sign, on every single loudspeaker there is.
But unfortunately, isn't it which makes you kind of question
the motivations of those protesting exactly?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Nico, what do you make of the protests we've seen
around the country.
Speaker 9 (10:56):
Well, I think there's plenty of well meeting people there
who think they know what they're there for. But the
organizers and the professional protesters are there. They're people that
were protesting, organizing protests and October eighth, while there were
still Harmas terrorists in Israel, committing a terrorist attack. And
these people they're not just they're not propealast in you,
and they're anti Israel and they're anti Australian and they're
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anti Western, and they're trying to disguise that by making
it about anti war. But it's about a lot more
than that.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
One hundred percent. Well, Labor held its economic talk fest
in Cambra this week and safe to say not much
came from it. Productivity Commission share Danielle would so the
outcomes from the roundtable were not actually enough to repair
the country's sluggish productivity.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
You go, are you surprised by this at all?
Speaker 9 (11:40):
Well, no, I'm not. The Only thing that the government's
actually announced so far out of the round table was
freezing the National Construction Code, which is a policy the
Coalition took to the election and Labor opposed. I'm sure
that they're cooking up a lot of things, so we'll
have to wait and see. But really, at the moment,
Australia's big problem is that we're spending a lot more
than we're bringing in revenue. A lot of people would
say that that means the government's got a spending problem,
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but Labor, I'm sure thinks that means they've got a
revenue problem.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Then we saw some.
Speaker 9 (12:07):
Good things this week with the government moving to rain
in the endas. But I think the great risk is
that that's the only thing that they will do, and
then they'll keep pointing to that every time they want
to raise taxes.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And also energy, energy is the biggest input into everything,
and Matt Canavan made this point at Sky Newser's Real
Economic Roundtable, which is if you're going to talk about productivity,
you have to talk about energy. Ali, I want to
bring you in on this one because finally we're seeing
some common sense up in Queensland. The LNP has decided
it will disendorse Albanese's net zero emissions target. You were
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an environmental activist. You produce a world famous documentary on
the environment called cea Spiracy that people can watch on Netflix.
What do you make of the left's yes obsession with
this net zero goal even though Australia is such a.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Tiny percentage of global emissions.
Speaker 8 (13:01):
Well, look, I'm still an environmentalist in a sense that
I love the environment. I think we all agree that
we want clean air, healthy oceans, flourishing rivers, bidiversity that's
going up forests that are teeming with life. We can
all agree with that. Unfortunately, when it comes to things
like net zero, it's so ideologically thick that a lot
of people don't really know what it means. It's being
measured in all kinds of weird ways. Countries are exporting
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their emissions to other countries to artificially look like they've
lowered their emissions. And one of the things that's being
common for me and a habit in my work, is
to point out when the emperor is wearing no clothes.
And in my movie c Spirity on Netflix, we exposed
things like the plastic straw movement how ineffective it was
and how it was more performative than actually helping anything
and was completely distracting from all kinds of tangible solutions
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and devastation was going on elsewhere. So whenever I hear
things like net zero, I just get instantly skeptical that
this is another emperor's new closed moment, and people get
angry at me for that. They want me to go
along with whatever the government or the United Nations say
we have to do to save the planet, achieve sustainability,
achieve net zero, except from those things are really ill
defined it. None can tell you how it's being measured,
And for me, I think, look, we should be focusing
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on the tangible solutions and wake up from this ideologically
thick approach to the environment. And unfortunately people within the
environmental space are starting to wake up to it as well.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Well, one of the points I made in my editorial
last week was that three point two million people a
year are dying from household pollution because they don't have
access to cheap energy, so instead they're having to use
things like kerosene, burning wood, biomass, and then they have
poor ventilation so they inhale this stuff they often go
blind as well. So if you actually care about human life,
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then wouldn't we want more cheap, clean energy like coal
or gas that can actually help these people not die
or get blindness from household pollution.
Speaker 8 (14:52):
Sure, and look, this is a huge problem in countries
like India and other countries where we've had a sort
of communist regime where people have been going out there
chopping down the forest in order to cook their food with.
And so whether it's nuclear or other things, we need
a sensible conversation about how we power our lives. Because
everything hinges on it and something like zero. Just for me,
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it hasn't been a helpful conversation because all that it
seems to be about is sacrificing an entire nation's economy
on the altar of solar panels and just wishing for
the best. And when it comes to things like energy,
if we lose out on the ability to power our
homes and cool our homes down and heat our homes up,
you're talking about mass casualties across the board, especially in
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the developed world. When I thought the whole reason for
this is too, is to stop the impending collapse and
extinction of human beings. At least that's what you hear
from extinction and rebellion anyway. So if we want human flourishing,
we need a sensible conversation, not an ideologically thick one
that is really nested in a lot of Marxism.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Totally, well, Nico, I want to move to the issue
of immigration.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Now.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
The latest immigration numbers is showing that about one person
is migrating to Australia forty nine seconds. We have also
hundreds of thousands of international students in the country and
this was despite labor kind of conceding that the Coalition
was correct in wanting to bring migration down to sustainable levels.
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How do we wean Australia and really the government offers
obsession with mass migration and high international student numbers when
it's clearly coming at the cost of housing affordability, rental
availability and cost of living.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, it's a good question.
Speaker 9 (16:30):
I mean, one of the things that a lot of
people missed at the election that was a cutting international
student numbers was basically the only bipartisan issue of the
entire election campaign, and the government, i think, settle the
right things about cutting international students, but then when push
came to shov hasn't actually done anything about it. They've
set a cap that was basically entially meaningless, especially for
the elite group of eight universities and the cities where
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housing is the biggest problem, and then this year they've
got it increased by tens of thousands of more students.
So they're saying the right things, but they're not actually
doing anything. And there's no way that we can address
the housing crisis that we have without both building more
homes and having fewer people come in through immigration. And
at the mote we're doing neither.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
And I think one of the things people don't realize
is that our international student numbers are not normal. We
have I think it's the highest per capita rate of
international students in Australia. And you can make all the
economic arguments what about the higher education industry, but.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Also what about the student experience on campus.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I just graduated from Sydney University and I can tell
you it really impacts your experience when you essentially have
the campus dividing into I know this sounds bad, but
really ethnic groups.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
Yeah, exactly what. We've got the highest number of international
students in the developed world, and our universities have become
completely addicted to them. And it seems that most of
our vice chancellors, particularly at the elite university, seem to
think that their job is to run an export business
to bring in international students, not an educational institution to
deliver a good education to Australian students. And these are
publicly funded institutions that should be putting domestic students first.
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And it's impossible to have a realistic debate about it
in this country because every time you say anything to
do with international students, the vice chancellors, actors though at
the end of the world and the universities are all
going to fall over. You look at what happened during
the election campaign. The Coalition proposed increasing visa prices by
a few thousand dollars, the university's screen bloody murder, and
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then this week they've all increased the price of their
degrees by tens of thousands of dollars. So basically their
arguments don't stack up and it's hurting Australian students.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
So true.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Well, Nicolu and Ali Tabreezi, thank you so much for
joining us this evening. You guys are fantastic. Well, now
to tonight's burning issue. Last week we saw an unprecedented
fracturing in our relationship with Israel. It started when Australia
said it would recognize a Palestinian state and then escalated
when Tony Burke announced he canceled the visa of Israeli
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politician Rutman. For more on this, I'm joined by former
Deputy Prime Minister Podcast Extraordinary and general amazing statesman John Anderson. John,
thank you so much for joining us. What do you
make of everything we've seen in the last week.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Great to be with you.
Speaker 10 (19:19):
Look, what we've seen is a continuation on of a
mess that has arisen because we don't know our history,
we don't believe in our culture, we have no particular
attachment to democracy, and we are ignoring Bob Hawk's warning.
Bob Hawk was a very educated man and a very
insightful man. He made the observation that when the bell
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tolls for Israeli, a hole tolls for all mankind, and
it is a truism. I have a great interest in history,
as you know that, so far as I'm aware, no
country that has turned its back on Israel, now, I
suppose you say, but particularly the Jewish people down through
the ages, as ever prospered the obvious. An outstanding example
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is the way the German people turned on the Jewish
people during the Second World War. Now that was genuine
genocidal intent. It of course stripped out of journey Germany.
Such decency, as ever might have existed in an otherwise
civilized country, and resulted in many ways, was one of
the major factors behind Germany being reduced to a smongering rubble.
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Bob hawknew what he was talking about. Unfortunately, we now
live in an age where not many of our leaders
do now. Having said that, I think the Israeli ambassador
had a good point. Let's take the temperature out of this.
In the end, we have far more to gain by
maintaining a relationship with a vibrant democracy which is under
enormous challenge in the Middle East at the moment.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
That should be obvious.
Speaker 10 (20:55):
And I'd make the point that it's no irony that
it appears that many, many of the other surrounding countries
essentially hardly supporting Palestine, whereas we.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Are exactly well when Natanya who called Albanezi week and
said he turned his back on Australian Jews, Tony Burke
went on the ABC and said, this.
Speaker 10 (21:22):
Strength is not measured by how many people you can
blow up or how many children you can leave hungry.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
John, that is so out of line.
Speaker 10 (21:37):
Well, you know, is strength marching in, raping, murdering, cutting
heads off babies, throwing them into microwave over Owen's dragging
semi naked dead German Jewish ladies around the streets to
cheering gardens.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
You know, is that strength? Is that character? Is that moral?
Or is it barbarous?
Speaker 10 (21:59):
And should we recognize that if we were in a
position that we had a neighborhood done this a terrorist outfit,
we would be clamoring for our government.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
To solved the problem as well.
Speaker 10 (22:10):
And a government that did not look after the security
of its people, I think would be a government that
was out of order. You couldn't have any confidence. And
the other great point about it is that it's highly
offensive to make that accusation of the idea. If if
you want to criticize the governance of Israel, the government,
the Prime Minister of Israel, by all means do so.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
But I don't think it's fair.
Speaker 10 (22:31):
In fact, I think it's right out of order for
him to attack the IDF in what was highly emotive
language exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And one of the things that struck me is that
a lot of the comments and the general approach that
Labor has taken to this whole issue just screams of
a government that has never actually had to confront Jihada's
terrorism themselves, that never had to fight a war, in fact,
were hopelessly unprepared for a war. It is a government
that cares more about virtue signaling to its own base
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and potentially winning a few extra votes in Western Sydney
then actually standing up for what's right.
Speaker 10 (23:11):
I never thought I would say the day, or find
the day would come when I have to say, in
some ways, I'm deeply ashamed of my own country that
we should be turning Australia into a place where the
Jewish people, who have contributed so much, and in fact
most of whom came here because of the unbelievable oppression
and suffering that they were subjected to in Europe in
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the thirties and forties, that they no longer feel that
this is a place where they're appreciated and can feel safe.
I am staggered Australia has reached this point. I go
back to what Bob Hawk said, every culture and society
down through the ages, it's turned its back on the
Jewish people. It's fall and prey to the oldest form
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of racism and racism as hatred, basically out of heart.
They've never done well out of it. It's a terrible mistake.
And I do think the point that Bob Hawk was making,
and we need to make it now.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It's not just Israel. It's under threat.
Speaker 10 (24:09):
It's our own culture because we're not thinking critically, we're
not understanding our history. We are not understanding where the
real moral compass lies here. And again I go back.
It's one thing to criticize the Israeli government. It's another
thing to hide your anti Semitism behind that, And there's
plenty of people doing that. You know, if we were
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really only purely concerned about the unfortunate scenes we're watching there,
why are we not saying that those responsible the great
evils in Syria, what are they doing to feed their victims? Yeah,
you go to Tibet, go and have a look at
what's happening in me and Mark? Why are they no
bridge marchers about those people? And actually the much larger
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numbers of casualties are taking place there?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Why we're not?
Speaker 10 (24:55):
And remember our own history, you know, I think some
five minion Jews, sorry German citizens died as the Allies
sought to crush the evils of Nazism. Five minutes are
we saying we should have stopped that campaign and allowed
the Nazis to rebuild. Let's bring some balance and some
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understanding in this. And I say that as somebody who
is beginning to think that perhaps mister Nettania, who might
pull back, perhaps he has achieved these objectives. That is
a serious subject which we can talk, but let's talk
in an intelligent and understanding way. Stop this juvenile critical
thinking you know that's driving this stuff, that somehow this
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is about oppressors and colonists. That just doesn't stack up
to a moment's examination for anyone who understands anything about.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
The Middle East.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
And I think what we've seen since October seven, with
I mean even the day after, less than twenty four
hours after October seven we saw those tredous marches down
to the Opera House.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I think we've seen certain cracks.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
In our society that have become gaping chasms. And the
ABC reported this week that a convicted isis recruiter was
actually at the Harbor Bridge rally with anti Semitic hate
preacher with some Hadad and it's alleged that they were
trying to use the pro Palestine movement as a way
to get people into radical Islam. And that's the other
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factor that is underlying this whole movement. What kind of
agendas are trying to latch onto the pro Palestine movement,
whether they be on the extreme left or radical Islam.
It's clear that there are many actors trying to use
this almost as a trojan horse to spread a deeper
and far more nefarious message.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Well, good on the ABC for exposing this.
Speaker 10 (26:53):
I'm the lighted that they have because I see show
after show after show on SBS and ABC where they refuse,
use to hammer harmas and identify their responsibilities for this
and the fact that they withdrew from the peace process,
you know, when a whole lot of Western countries basically
feel prey to their propaganda and said, let's have a
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two state solution. But why should we be surprised?
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Why?
Speaker 10 (27:20):
Why are well meaning Australians. I'm sorry to have to
say this, but what are you doing lining up on
the bridge when you've got people like this who are
obviously manipulating it?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Why are you aligning yourself with there? Why are not
going to have a genuine march for humanity?
Speaker 10 (27:33):
Because in effect, what you've got here is a lot
of people who are, if you're like Islamists in the
sense that it's a political movement as much as it
is a religious belief system, who are seeking a radically
different form.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Of government in Australia.
Speaker 10 (27:48):
And we had not only pictures of that horrendous figure
of evil, Ia Tala harmony being held up with.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
A certain form of premier of New South Walest. There
were Taliban flags there.
Speaker 10 (28:02):
How do you think our servicemen who went to try
and defeat the Taliban in no small parts, so the
women and children by the way Afghanistan might actually be
unable to go to school, might be safe, might actually
be able to find a life for themselves. And here
we are, in the name of a march for humanity,
lining up with people like that. This is a serious
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issue for the West as much as it is for Israel.
Let us make no mistake about it. We are losing
our ability to think clear We're have jettisoned our history,
and we are not thinking things through clearly. We're creating
a void into which really dangerous and convictions, if you like,
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convictions are flowing in. Our lack of conviction is creating
an environment where people with very strong convictions, convictions that
ought to be receiving a lot more scrutiny, are flowing
quite freely. And I find that really troubling.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
And just quickly before we go, if this is what
diversity looks like, has multiculturalism failed?
Speaker 10 (29:12):
I think multiculturalism is essentially in our failing because what
we can see is in the name of trying to
be nice to everybody else, we've turned ourselves inside out,
trying to give voice to ideas that are so essentially
hostile to our underlying values, the things that made our
culture attracting for other people to want to come.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
To that we you know it's beginning.
Speaker 10 (29:36):
Shall we say to fail the pub test in Australia,
and we do need to stop and say our culture matters,
It really.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Matters, you know.
Speaker 10 (29:47):
I learn the other day of a Vietnamese man who
came here with his family. He said to his two boys, right,
you go to school. I want you to be great Australians.
We wanted to come here for years. We've got here.
Now we want to help keep it great and make
it great in the future. Coming home from school to
my dad, this isn't a great country at all? Were
they at school? That it's an illegitimate.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Country exactly so sad and it's right through our education system.
John Anderson, thank you so much for your time this evening. Well,
don't go anywhere after the break. Gavin Newsom is ramping
up his feud with Donald Trump while his state is
in serious decline. That with US commentator Jamie Lee Franklin. Soon,
(30:25):
but next, the Great Debate gets interesting. Tonight we discuss
how pornography and only fans are impacting society. With an
only fans creator up against an anti porn advocate, don't
go anywhere. Welcome back to the program. It is now
(30:45):
time for the Great debate. As I discussed in my opener,
pornography has proliferated throughout society at a rate that is
almost incomprehensible. The average age of first exposure is eleven,
meaning half of kids are seeing it even younger than that.
A recent Australian study found that for fifteen to twenty
nine year olds, thirty nine percent of men and nineteen
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percent of women watched pornography daily in.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
The last twelve months.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
What does this do to women, to men, to our
relationships and is it good for our society? Joining me
now to debate this issue is adult content creator Belinda
Gavin and anti paorn activist an author Melinda Tankard.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Rice.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Belinda, let's start with you. How did you get into
the sex industry?
Speaker 11 (31:31):
It started in Los Angeles. I lived in Los Angeles
for the best part of twenty years as an actress,
and during that time I was approached to do some
erotic movies. Now for me, I didn't have a problem
with being nude so and I was acting, so it
was absolutely a dream come true. I got to travel around,
(31:54):
I was on set, and I was being an actress.
I then maneuvered through the industry and actually started working
in full porn so x x X rated and only
fans popped up. Cut to you know, after COVID and
only fans becoming bigger. The word porn and being a
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porn start kind of you know, it wasn't as bad
as it used to be because it started to become
I guess more accepted.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Melinda, you do a lot of work in this sort
of anti pornography space, shining a light on some of
the dark sides of the industry. What do you say
to Belinda's story, Is that a common path into porn
and what are the risks involved in seeing pornography become
so mainstreamed.
Speaker 12 (32:41):
Yeah, it was certainly seeing the normalization and the glamorization
and the embedding of the sex industry, including now on TikTok,
which has two hundred thousand young people there and sixty
two percent under the age of sixteen. So certainly there
has been in a massive transformation and embedding a normalization
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of the industry, teaching young women that it's an aspiration,
it's an aspirational goal to commodify your body, to sell porn,
to become a content creator on Only Fans.
Speaker 13 (33:20):
We are seeing this on TikTok.
Speaker 12 (33:22):
I've been studying the TikTok to OnlyFans pipeline, but unfortunately
a lot of young women aren't given a true picture
of what might happen to them there, so they're groomed
to be sellers. Boys are groomed to be consumers, and
Only Fans has been implicated in non consensual image sharing,
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in sharing rape videos, images shared without consent. Reuters did
a big investigation last year and found miners were being
sold on the platform. Child sexual exploitation material sold on
the platform. Often a lot of young women see wealth
(34:03):
and fame and riches and popularity and exotic holidays normalized
on the social media platforms, which they're required to have.
That's what only Fans requires. And interestingly, TikTok has a
terms and conditions against sexual solicitation, but this is exactly
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what is going on through refer to friend programs, through
recruitment agencies which recruit girls from their social media accounts.
I met a recruiter who did this and described herself
as a predator and a pimp.
Speaker 13 (34:38):
But don't often know the dark side.
Speaker 12 (34:40):
Don't often know about stalking, the leaking of their images,
and the particularly the more debased and degraded acts that
they will be expected to do. For example, the Bop
House combined following thirty three million barely legal content, and
the ones the girls that look the youngest, the most childified,
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make the most money because that's the demand. That's what
men want. That's why the barely legal genre is so popular.
And you know, tragically, so many girls are getting a
false idea and they say things like well, I don't
need to get another job, I don't need to finish school,
I don't need to finish a university. But they don't
(35:24):
often understand the truth of where they might end up.
Speaker 13 (35:27):
A lot they'll have to do in a very very
competitive market.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Blinda, does this worry you at all?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
That you are participating in an industry where there is
so much exploitation of women? And I guess now as
pornography in a sense has been democratized. With OnlyFans, anyone
can be in the sex industry.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Now, you worry that young girls are now.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Looking at this and thinking that sex work could be
a good life for them. It's become aspirational. Does that
concern you?
Speaker 11 (36:00):
It is of concern, But I think and Melinda's right
with everything that she said, you know what I mean.
There has been lots of things that have happened within
the platforms. Nowadays there's a lot more rules and regulations.
I think for young women out there, what is important
is to know what you're getting into. You have to
understand that once you cross this line, that's it.
Speaker 13 (36:24):
It's going to be there.
Speaker 11 (36:25):
Some people, I'm very face out, I'm very outspoken about
the industry obviously, but I knew that, you know, I
knew that coming into this, and I understood it. I think, yes,
some girls are unfortunately jumping in because they see you know,
there's a lot of girls that do very well now
and you don't have to actually do X rated stuff
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on only fans either. There's still a lot of girls
that make a lot of money not doing X rated stuff.
The beauty of only fans, though, is that now it's
not a studio, and the creator is in charge of
what they want to do. And that's what I think
is the best thing about OnlyFans. I speak to a
lot of young girls and obviously deal with a lot
of creators and knowing you know what you're getting into
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and choosing your boundaries. You don't have to go all
the way. You don't have to be a body Blue,
you don't have to be an Anni Knight. This is entertainment,
just like any other movies. It's entertainment. It's not education.
It is entertaining people. And that's what is in the
hands of the creator now, so I can choose what
kind of content I want to put out there.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Well, I guess my personal perspective would be it's not
just entertainment when it involves sex and nudity.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
It is far more serious than that.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
But I want to ask Melinda a question, what do
you think this is doing two relationships between men and women?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
When you see exposure.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
To pornography at such a young age eleven years old?
Speaker 2 (37:54):
What's that doing to girls and boys as they grow up.
Speaker 12 (37:57):
Yes, I'd just like to come in on a couple
of things, Belinda said, and then I'll answer that question.
So the average income is one hundred and twenty five
dollars a month, So girls think that they might end
up as millionaires.
Speaker 13 (38:09):
That's very very rare.
Speaker 12 (38:11):
One percent women in the industry make those high figures,
and we need to look at what they have to
do to make that kind of money. For example, in
incest related content CHILDI find acting like acting like a
child huge demand for that kind of content.
Speaker 13 (38:28):
In terms of what young people are learning, you.
Speaker 12 (38:30):
Know, I've interviewed so many girls that say that boys
want to choke them, boys want to strangle them, boys
expect them to do the sex acts that the boys
have seen in porn. We need to remember that the
most popular genres of porn are.
Speaker 13 (38:45):
The most violent.
Speaker 12 (38:46):
I have more young women now saying to me they
don't even want to date anymore because so many men
are porn sick. They're rotted brains. They've just glutted so
much on porn.
Speaker 13 (38:58):
They don't know.
Speaker 12 (38:59):
How to have a normal, healthy, respectful intimate relationship.
Speaker 13 (39:04):
We are seeing an Australa.
Speaker 12 (39:05):
Now a rise of child on child sexual assault at
levels never before seen. The ABS data shows that adolescent
boys fourteen to nineteen are now not only committing the
highest rates of sexual offenses against women and girls, they
are committing the highest rates of sexual offenses against children.
Speaker 13 (39:27):
This has not been seen before. You can find that research.
Speaker 12 (39:30):
In the International Journal of Child Abuse and Neglect and
any authority in the field is now identifying exposure to pornography,
to violent pornography as fueling attitudes which drive violence against women.
We cannot address the epidemic of violence against women if
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we don't address the role pornography has in shaping attitudes
and behaviors towards real women and real girls. So this
isn't fantasy, This is happening in the real world.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Final thoughts on that, Belinda, before we.
Speaker 11 (40:06):
Go, Education, I believe is what will help us here.
There is no sex education in the school. They have
to rely on what they see and of course that's
what they're exposed to. And hopefully we could have some
only fans that is educational. That would be my dream
is to be able to have creators that are actually
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caring about and it is called ethical porn. There's a
lot of them out there, and there's a lot of
people who are very, very passionate about bringing the sex
industry into mainstream but also teaching people about it.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Well, that's an interesting question. Could there be such thing
as an ethical porn industry? Belinda Gavin and Melinda Tankard Rice,
thank you so much for joining us this evening. Fascinating
conversation coming up after the break, the Democrats finally wake
up to their woke ideology, realizing that they need to
ditch it if they want to win the next election.
Who knew, Jamie Lee Franklin joins me. Next, Welcome back
(41:13):
to the program. Let's head over to the United States now,
where the delusional Democrats.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Are finally realized they.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Need to become less woke if they want to win
the next election. Joining me to discuss this and more
is founder and CEO of The Conservator, Jamie Lee Franklin.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Jamie, thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
A group of Democrats in the US have released a
list of words that Democrats are apparently no longer allowed
to use their woke trigger words, and apparently if the
Democrats ever want to win again, they need to stop
using them. They're things like therapy speak, so dialoguing, othering, microaggression,
(41:54):
anything that sounds like it's straight from a university, like
subverting norms and system of oppression and anything that minimizes crime,
like justice involved or involuntary confinement. I mean, that would
seem to be half of the Democrats lexicon right.
Speaker 14 (42:15):
Totally. So I went to see Berkeley. I graduated a
few years ago. But I remember when I was on campus,
I'm asking me what my pronouns were. And I grew
up going to Catholic school my whole life, since this
was a foreign concept for me at the time, and
I thought when they asked me that they were saying.
And I was like, oh, I'm miss Chandler. That's my
maiden name. At the time, I was unmarried. And they're like, no,
I'm talking are you she her? And I'm like standing
(42:36):
there looking at myself. I have long hair and a
skirt and I'm like, why is.
Speaker 13 (42:39):
This even a question?
Speaker 14 (42:41):
So I'm glad Democrats are finally starting to figure out
some stuff, and I think they're going to be battling
within their party between this activist base and just.
Speaker 13 (42:49):
Kind of more of the normal people.
Speaker 14 (42:51):
I know that they're trying to move into the center
because they've just lost so many people in America and
the last twenty twenty four elections showed that, and I'll
say this too. You know, gen Z, they're saying right
now is on track to be the most conservative generation
since the Great Depression. And I think it's largely because
of this. My generation, we've grown up just being inundated
(43:11):
with these terms over and over again, and it's kind
of uncool and out of touch.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
And what does any of it mean?
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Justice involved, microaggressions, endless pronouns.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
It just gets more and more absurd.
Speaker 14 (43:28):
Yeah, and it just goes in circles too. Like my
favorite thing that they do is land acknowledgments. I don't
know if you guys do that in Australia, but that's
venue in Australia through Yeah, and I'm just like, okay,
so they acknowledged I guess the last tribe that held
possession of this land, But I'm like, what about the
one hundred tribes that conquered that land before that land?
(43:50):
So it's just like, where are we going back to
on this? It's just absolutely ridiculous. And like I said,
in America, at least a lot of people with inflation
and everything are just trying to get food on the table,
and so it just seems so out of touch. And
it's all these rich liberal elites and Cerrancesco. We're in
Manhattan and the middle of the country is just like,
we're over this, We're moving on.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Well, we are the capital of land acknowledgments here in
Australia and it really makes people annoyed. But now I
want to take you to Gavin Newsom's California, where fire
hydrants are more likely to be used as bid a's
for the homeless than actually fighting fires. Trump and Gavin
Newsom are now in a huge feud around Texas redistricting
(44:37):
that favored the Republicans, and Newsom's promising to redistrict California
to kind of level the playing field.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Here's what he said on Instagram earlier.
Speaker 15 (44:47):
We now have moved from a legislative effort to have
the backs of the people of Texas and now we
need to have the backs of people across this country.
We've got to disenthrall ourselves with the notion of weather
or not we should play hardball to how we play hardball.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
So is this part of the whole Democrat ray brand.
Gavin Newston is now going to become the tough guy
and will it actually work, I.
Speaker 13 (45:14):
Don't think so.
Speaker 14 (45:14):
So as you can see, I'm in DC right now,
that's where I live, But I grew up in California.
I lived there for twenty two years, and I lived
in the Bay Area. And so I've seen Gavin Newsom
as mayor of San Francisco, and I've seen him as
governor of California, and every single time anything he governs
becomes worse and worse and worse. California is a beautiful
state and it used to be the Golden Age of
(45:37):
America there and now it's just in complete chaos and
disarray under him. And so I know he's doing all
these political tactics right now, but as you saw with
the guy of the fire hydrant, this is a normal
thing that happens in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Oakland. Many
of these cities unfortunately look like third world countries because
they are so mismanaged. And so I think Gavin Newsom
(45:58):
is trying to run for president for eight and it
says a lot about the Democratic Party that people are
saying that he's a front runner. But I think it's
going to be impossible to escape this terrible record he has,
ruining my beautiful state. I think Americans by and large
will turn him down for sure.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Well, another thing that's been happening in the US recently
is crack a Barrel, which we don't have in Australia,
but from my understanding, it's a restaurant and a gift
store and they've undergone a big rebrand where they've ditched
a lot of the classic branding associated with Cracker Barrel,
like the country Guy, and they've really gone for this
(46:36):
sort of pedback modern look. Well, as a result, they've
lost one hundred million dollars off the value of their stocks.
Can you tell us a bit about what's going on there?
Is this part of a woke shift abandoning their heritage
and what's the backlash all about?
Speaker 14 (46:54):
Yeah, so a lot of Americans we've grown up going
to Cracker Barrel. People have a ton of memories going
there for soccer, turn are on their way to visit
their grandparents, and it's just known as this like very eclectic,
nostalgic place to go to. It has like all of
these things all over the wall and that's part of
its charm. And it has really good pancakes, I will
say too. But this is what the woke people do.
They're constantly coming in. I mean, it sounds a little
(47:17):
dramatic to say this, but if you look at communists
in the Soviet era, they ruined everything that's beautiful, everything
that has charm and art, to be quite frank, and
so that's what kind of woke leftists to do. They
want to make everything sterile. Now it looks like a hospital,
and they took off the barrel and the man off
of the logo. And so I'm glad that Cracker Barrel
is getting its backlash. And the last thing I'll say too,
(47:39):
the CEO has gotten a lot of fire recently. This woman,
and she just looks like you're I don't know where
she's from, but she looks like you're city elitist who's
never even stepped foot in a cracker barrel. So it's
very reminiscent of the bud Light fiasco with that other
marketing woman. And so hopefully these companies are learning their
lesson and keep your tradition and charm.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Well, Jamie, thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 14 (48:04):
Thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 7 (48:06):
Well.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
I talked earlier in this show about Triple J's podcast
called The Hookup. Well, another ABC program that is delivering
not newsworthy content is ABC Queer.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Who made this video and.
Speaker 16 (48:20):
Then the election happened. We read Project twenty twenty five.
We knew where the United States was going with the
governor Ron Desantas is don't say gay Bill, I'm not
allowed to go in women's restrooms in Florida, and we
decided we couldn't stay, so we made a plan to
sell our house. Sikastam is Australian. We knew that Victoria
was probably the most LGBTQ friendly state.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Thank you public broadcaster that's added so much value to
our country. Well that's all I have time for tonight.
Stay tuned because up next is Deneker and James
Right now, Freyer fires up.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Let's get into the three things that are firing me
up tonight. More trans nonsense, the sexualization of everything, and
labors virtue signaling. But first, a convicted German neo nazisven Leebik,
who once called trans people fascists and parasites on society,
(00:32):
will be sent to a women's prison to serve out
the remainder of his term.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Why because he identifies as a woman.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Maggie Thatcher was right when she said if you have
to tell people you are, you aren't.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
But this case really.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Does expose the absurdity of gender self id laws. Last
year Germany changed its law so that anyone can change
their gender by simply declaring their new gender without having
to go through any gender reassignment surgery or even get
consultation from a doctor. And now they've ended up with
the comical site of a far right extremist in drag
(01:09):
and the much less funny reality that he'll now be
serving his sentence in a female prison. And if you
think this isn't going to happen in Australia, unfortunately you're wrong.
In July, double murderer Terry Mark Donnie asked to be
transferred to a women's prison after serving nineteen years of
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his forty three year term because he'd begun taking estrogen
a couple of months ago. Now, my first question is
why are we paying for the gender transition of a
murderer when we've got ozzie families struggling to keep a
roof over their heads. But anyway, Corrective Services took a
year to process his application and ultimately the government intervened
(01:51):
to block it. But in the future this will be
much harder to stop thanks to Chris Minz's radical gender
self i d laws. All it takes now to legally
change your gender even on your birth certificate is a
couple of minutes online.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
From next Tuesday, it's going to be easier for the
people of New South Wales for gender diverse people to
be able to update their birth certificate. And up until now,
New South Wales has been the only jurisdiction where it
required a person to undergo surgery to be able to
change their registered six. But the amendments that have been
made to the Birth Tests and Marriages Registration Act nineteen
(02:30):
ninety five, something I share with the Attorney General, do away.
With this requirement, people seeking the change of legal documentation
will be able to apply online to a new digital application.
We've made a streamlined as well.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Mate, nice and easy, and that's how you end up
with an anti trans male neo Nazi in female jails.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Welcome to our near reality.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
The second issue I'm fired up tonight about is the
punification of our culture. Social media is being used as
a way to sexualize young girls and funnel young boys
into pornography at younger and younger ages, and even public
broadcasters are feeding into the porn culture.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
You might remember.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
ABC's Triple j S, the ABC's attempt to be cool
and relevant to young people, except the last time it
was was way before I was born. Their audience is hemorrhaging,
and they're struggling to expand beyond their base of Newtown
socialist collectives, so they've decided to embrace the old adage
sex cells. Let me introduce you to the Triple J's podcast,
(03:35):
The Hookup. It's ostensibly about love and relationships, but in
reality most episodes are so inappropriate I would be violating
broadcasting standards if I read their titles out to you.
This is some of the insightful commentary you can expect
from our national broadcaster.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
We have to talk about a lot of stuff from
our sex life in this podcast, and I think for
the first time ever, this is a bit like maybe
this is like the line like we were like yep, this, that,
that and that and then this. I'm like, maybe the
most special fantasy is like it should just be for you.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
It's just for me.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
No, you don't have to talk about any of this.
In fact, no one actually wants you talking about any
of this.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And here is the hookup.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Grappling with the issues that are really affecting young Australians.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Now, what does it look like when people that don't
identify as cis gender have to encounter the medical space
and have to encounter this process while straddling with other
quote unquote wounds like body dysmorphia, like so did bodies
for it, like all of these other additional elements. So
it was really important to actually include the voices of
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people that have different genders to me, that have encountered abortion.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
So she's talking about including the voices of trans people
when talking about a Look, I'm just as confused as you,
and I think she's more confused than both of us.
But the UK's publicly funded broadcaster, to Channel four, has
also lowered itself to cheap sex. It commissioned a documentary
called one Thousand Men and Me, The Bonnie Blue Story
about how Bonnie Blue managed to sleep with one thousand
(05:18):
men in one day. This is Bonnie Blue talking about
the kind of adult content she makes, and a warning
before we play, this is very distasteful.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
You have a very specific niche don't you yes tell
us about that? So that illegal eighteen year olds?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
What last year she got banned from Australia for going
to school is to find these barely legal eighteen year
olds to film adult content with. If it was a
man looking for barely legal women, would the public broadcast
be spending taxpayer dollars making a documentary about it? No,
they'd probably be get getting investigator by the police. Our
(06:01):
public broadcasters should be strengthening our nation, not degrading it
by feeding into the putification of our culture. But more
later on this, because our great debate this week is
with Melinda Tankard Rice, an anti paorn activist, facing off
against Belinda Gavin, an adult content creator. You won't want
to miss that this week, Victorian Lama also declared.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
That all new schools will be.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Given Aboriginal names instead of suburb names. Thompson's West Primary
School will become Mirian Primary, which means Moon, and Wallet
Central Primary School will become Weary Geary Primary School, which
means Messenger. This is just textbook virtue signaling. Labour has
justified the move by saying it will help reconciliation. How
(06:52):
there are plenty of schools and suburbs with Indigenous names already.
Is reconciliation so much better in those areas? No, if anything,
moves like this actually set back the process of real
reconciliation because they make inner city activists feel like they're
doing something without actually improving anything. The real reason the
(07:13):
gap isn't closing is because we don't have enough Indigenous names.
It's actually because we're being distracted by superficial issues instead
of dealing with the causes of disadvantage, culture and choices.
If we're going to close the gap, we have to
have a better way of directing support. As many as
(07:33):
thirty to forty percent of the country's nine hundred thousand
Aboriginal people have no genuine Aboriginal heritage at all a
concern that's been publicly raised by numerous Indigenous leaders, or
they're self identifying while not actually living in disadvantaged conditions.
The real entrenched disadvantage is concentrated in around one hundred
(07:55):
and fifty thousand people living in remote or very remote communities.
Funding and opportunities end up going to the many who
qualify rather than the few who need it, and the
culture of victimhood has to stop. What the media and
political class have to acknowledge but won't is that Indigenous
people are better off today than they were before colonization.
(08:17):
It's not to minimize the pain and suffering that's come
along the way, but it is the truth and trying
to separate them from the rest of Australia won't improve
their lives.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
When racial separatism that designates a class of Australians as
another is prioritized over serving Australians on the basis of need,
we experience failure.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
And the other question that needs answering is where is
all the money going. Roughly forty billion dollars a year
is being spent on Indigenous programs, but no one seems
to know where it's all going, let alone the outcomes
it's producing. Indigenous corporations often manage multimillion dollars budgets, yet
one in three Indigenous corporations still hasn't filed legal reports
(09:05):
on their operations for the twenty twenty three financial year,
which was due last December. So we need to have
an honest conversation about who is defined as indigenous, start
providing support on the basis of need rather than race,
and conduct a full audit of where all our money
is going. I've got another big show coming up for
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you tonight. Former Deputy Prime Minister John Anderson joins me
live to discuss the fracturing of Australia's relationship with Israel.
Also tonight, fiery debate over the impact of pornography on society,
plus the delusional Democrats are added again. I will have
the latest headlines from the US with Jamie Lee Franklin
later in this hour, but first let's get into the
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panel Tonight. Joining me is filmmaker Ali Tabreezi and chief
economist at the Research Center Nikolu Ali. Today we saw
a nationwide protest in Sydney, Melbourne and brisb Bitten. They
claim to be about standing for humanity, standing for Palestine,
But you don't see any one of them holding posters
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of the hostages.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Of course it is.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
I mean not everyone that goes out into the streets
and protests has the answer. And unfortunately, what's really sad
to see is that none of them have been calling
for exactly the thing that would end this in five
seconds flat, that would help alleviate the suffering of people
in Israel but also in Gaza, and that is to
release the hostages and also for Hamas to surrender. Until
they do those things, this is going to proliferate. And
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so what I'd like to see is this message going
out on every single sign, on every single loudspeaker there is.
But unfortunately, isn't it which makes you kind of question
the motivations of those protesting exactly?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Nico, what do you make of the protests we've seen
around the country.
Speaker 9 (10:56):
Well, I think there's plenty of well meeting people there
who think they know what they're there for. But the
organizers and the professional protesters are there. They're people that
were protesting, organizing protests and October eighth, while there were
still Harmas terrorists in Israel, committing a terrorist attack. And
these people they're not just they're not propealast in you,
and they're anti Israel and they're anti Australian and they're
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anti Western, and they're trying to disguise that by making
it about anti war. But it's about a lot more
than that.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
One hundred percent. Well, Labor held its economic talk fest
in Cambra this week and safe to say not much
came from it. Productivity Commission share Danielle would so the
outcomes from the roundtable were not actually enough to repair
the country's sluggish productivity.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
You go, are you surprised by this at all?
Speaker 9 (11:40):
Well, no, I'm not. The Only thing that the government's
actually announced so far out of the round table was
freezing the National Construction Code, which is a policy the
Coalition took to the election and Labor opposed. I'm sure
that they're cooking up a lot of things, so we'll
have to wait and see. But really, at the moment,
Australia's big problem is that we're spending a lot more
than we're bringing in revenue. A lot of people would
say that that means the government's got a spending problem,
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but Labor, I'm sure thinks that means they've got a
revenue problem.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Then we saw some.
Speaker 9 (12:07):
Good things this week with the government moving to rain
in the endas. But I think the great risk is
that that's the only thing that they will do, and
then they'll keep pointing to that every time they want
to raise taxes.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And also energy, energy is the biggest input into everything,
and Matt Canavan made this point at Sky Newser's Real
Economic Roundtable, which is if you're going to talk about productivity,
you have to talk about energy. Ali, I want to
bring you in on this one because finally we're seeing
some common sense up in Queensland. The LNP has decided
it will disendorse Albanese's net zero emissions target. You were
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an environmental activist. You produce a world famous documentary on
the environment called cea Spiracy that people can watch on Netflix.
What do you make of the left's yes obsession with
this net zero goal even though Australia is such a.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Tiny percentage of global emissions.
Speaker 8 (13:01):
Well, look, I'm still an environmentalist in a sense that
I love the environment. I think we all agree that
we want clean air, healthy oceans, flourishing rivers, bidiversity that's
going up forests that are teeming with life. We can
all agree with that. Unfortunately, when it comes to things
like net zero, it's so ideologically thick that a lot
of people don't really know what it means. It's being
measured in all kinds of weird ways. Countries are exporting
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their emissions to other countries to artificially look like they've
lowered their emissions. And one of the things that's being
common for me and a habit in my work, is
to point out when the emperor is wearing no clothes.
And in my movie c Spirity on Netflix, we exposed
things like the plastic straw movement how ineffective it was
and how it was more performative than actually helping anything
and was completely distracting from all kinds of tangible solutions
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and devastation was going on elsewhere. So whenever I hear
things like net zero, I just get instantly skeptical that
this is another emperor's new closed moment, and people get
angry at me for that. They want me to go
along with whatever the government or the United Nations say
we have to do to save the planet, achieve sustainability,
achieve net zero, except from those things are really ill
defined it. None can tell you how it's being measured,
And for me, I think, look, we should be focusing
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on the tangible solutions and wake up from this ideologically
thick approach to the environment. And unfortunately people within the
environmental space are starting to wake up to it as well.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Well, one of the points I made in my editorial
last week was that three point two million people a
year are dying from household pollution because they don't have
access to cheap energy, so instead they're having to use
things like kerosene, burning wood, biomass, and then they have
poor ventilation so they inhale this stuff they often go
blind as well. So if you actually care about human life,
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then wouldn't we want more cheap, clean energy like coal
or gas that can actually help these people not die
or get blindness from household pollution.
Speaker 8 (14:52):
Sure, and look, this is a huge problem in countries
like India and other countries where we've had a sort
of communist regime where people have been going out there
chopping down the forest in order to cook their food with.
And so whether it's nuclear or other things, we need
a sensible conversation about how we power our lives. Because
everything hinges on it and something like zero. Just for me,
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it hasn't been a helpful conversation because all that it
seems to be about is sacrificing an entire nation's economy
on the altar of solar panels and just wishing for
the best. And when it comes to things like energy,
if we lose out on the ability to power our
homes and cool our homes down and heat our homes up,
you're talking about mass casualties across the board, especially in
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the developed world. When I thought the whole reason for
this is too, is to stop the impending collapse and
extinction of human beings. At least that's what you hear
from extinction and rebellion anyway. So if we want human flourishing,
we need a sensible conversation, not an ideologically thick one
that is really nested in a lot of Marxism.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Totally, well, Nico, I want to move to the issue
of immigration.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Now.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
The latest immigration numbers is showing that about one person
is migrating to Australia forty nine seconds. We have also
hundreds of thousands of international students in the country and
this was despite labor kind of conceding that the Coalition
was correct in wanting to bring migration down to sustainable levels.
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How do we wean Australia and really the government offers
obsession with mass migration and high international student numbers when
it's clearly coming at the cost of housing affordability, rental
availability and cost of living.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, it's a good question.
Speaker 9 (16:30):
I mean, one of the things that a lot of
people missed at the election that was a cutting international
student numbers was basically the only bipartisan issue of the
entire election campaign, and the government, i think, settle the
right things about cutting international students, but then when push
came to shov hasn't actually done anything about it. They've
set a cap that was basically entially meaningless, especially for
the elite group of eight universities and the cities where
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housing is the biggest problem, and then this year they've
got it increased by tens of thousands of more students.
So they're saying the right things, but they're not actually
doing anything. And there's no way that we can address
the housing crisis that we have without both building more
homes and having fewer people come in through immigration. And
at the mote we're doing neither.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
And I think one of the things people don't realize
is that our international student numbers are not normal. We
have I think it's the highest per capita rate of
international students in Australia. And you can make all the
economic arguments what about the higher education industry, but.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Also what about the student experience on campus.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I just graduated from Sydney University and I can tell
you it really impacts your experience when you essentially have
the campus dividing into I know this sounds bad, but
really ethnic groups.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
Yeah, exactly what. We've got the highest number of international
students in the developed world, and our universities have become
completely addicted to them. And it seems that most of
our vice chancellors, particularly at the elite university, seem to
think that their job is to run an export business
to bring in international students, not an educational institution to
deliver a good education to Australian students. And these are
publicly funded institutions that should be putting domestic students first.
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And it's impossible to have a realistic debate about it
in this country because every time you say anything to
do with international students, the vice chancellors, actors though at
the end of the world and the universities are all
going to fall over. You look at what happened during
the election campaign. The Coalition proposed increasing visa prices by
a few thousand dollars, the university's screen bloody murder, and
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then this week they've all increased the price of their
degrees by tens of thousands of dollars. So basically their
arguments don't stack up and it's hurting Australian students.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
So true.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Well, Nicolu and Ali Tabreezi, thank you so much for
joining us this evening. You guys are fantastic. Well, now
to tonight's burning issue. Last week we saw an unprecedented
fracturing in our relationship with Israel. It started when Australia
said it would recognize a Palestinian state and then escalated
when Tony Burke announced he canceled the visa of Israeli
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politician Rutman. For more on this, I'm joined by former
Deputy Prime Minister Podcast Extraordinary and general amazing statesman John Anderson. John,
thank you so much for joining us. What do you
make of everything we've seen in the last week.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Great to be with you.
Speaker 10 (19:19):
Look, what we've seen is a continuation on of a
mess that has arisen because we don't know our history,
we don't believe in our culture, we have no particular
attachment to democracy, and we are ignoring Bob Hawk's warning.
Bob Hawk was a very educated man and a very
insightful man. He made the observation that when the bell
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tolls for Israeli, a hole tolls for all mankind, and
it is a truism. I have a great interest in history,
as you know that, so far as I'm aware, no
country that has turned its back on Israel, now, I
suppose you say, but particularly the Jewish people down through
the ages, as ever prospered the obvious. An outstanding example
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is the way the German people turned on the Jewish
people during the Second World War. Now that was genuine
genocidal intent. It of course stripped out of journey Germany.
Such decency, as ever might have existed in an otherwise
civilized country, and resulted in many ways, was one of
the major factors behind Germany being reduced to a smongering rubble.
(20:30):
Bob hawknew what he was talking about. Unfortunately, we now
live in an age where not many of our leaders
do now. Having said that, I think the Israeli ambassador
had a good point. Let's take the temperature out of this.
In the end, we have far more to gain by
maintaining a relationship with a vibrant democracy which is under
enormous challenge in the Middle East at the moment.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
That should be obvious.
Speaker 10 (20:55):
And I'd make the point that it's no irony that
it appears that many, many of the other surrounding countries
essentially hardly supporting Palestine, whereas we.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Are exactly well when Natanya who called Albanezi week and
said he turned his back on Australian Jews, Tony Burke
went on the ABC and said, this.
Speaker 10 (21:22):
Strength is not measured by how many people you can
blow up or how many children you can leave hungry.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
John, that is so out of line.
Speaker 10 (21:37):
Well, you know, is strength marching in, raping, murdering, cutting
heads off babies, throwing them into microwave over Owen's dragging
semi naked dead German Jewish ladies around the streets to
cheering gardens.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
You know, is that strength? Is that character? Is that moral?
Or is it barbarous?
Speaker 10 (21:59):
And should we recognize that if we were in a
position that we had a neighborhood done this a terrorist outfit,
we would be clamoring for our government.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
To solved the problem as well.
Speaker 10 (22:10):
And a government that did not look after the security
of its people, I think would be a government that
was out of order. You couldn't have any confidence. And
the other great point about it is that it's highly
offensive to make that accusation of the idea. If if
you want to criticize the governance of Israel, the government,
the Prime Minister of Israel, by all means do so.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
But I don't think it's fair.
Speaker 10 (22:31):
In fact, I think it's right out of order for
him to attack the IDF in what was highly emotive
language exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And one of the things that struck me is that
a lot of the comments and the general approach that
Labor has taken to this whole issue just screams of
a government that has never actually had to confront Jihada's
terrorism themselves, that never had to fight a war, in fact,
were hopelessly unprepared for a war. It is a government
that cares more about virtue signaling to its own base
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and potentially winning a few extra votes in Western Sydney
then actually standing up for what's right.
Speaker 10 (23:11):
I never thought I would say the day, or find
the day would come when I have to say, in
some ways, I'm deeply ashamed of my own country that
we should be turning Australia into a place where the
Jewish people, who have contributed so much, and in fact
most of whom came here because of the unbelievable oppression
and suffering that they were subjected to in Europe in
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the thirties and forties, that they no longer feel that
this is a place where they're appreciated and can feel safe.
I am staggered Australia has reached this point. I go
back to what Bob Hawk said, every culture and society
down through the ages, it's turned its back on the
Jewish people. It's fall and prey to the oldest form
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of racism and racism as hatred, basically out of heart.
They've never done well out of it. It's a terrible mistake.
And I do think the point that Bob Hawk was making,
and we need to make it now.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It's not just Israel. It's under threat.
Speaker 10 (24:09):
It's our own culture because we're not thinking critically, we're
not understanding our history. We are not understanding where the
real moral compass lies here. And again I go back.
It's one thing to criticize the Israeli government. It's another
thing to hide your anti Semitism behind that, And there's
plenty of people doing that. You know, if we were
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really only purely concerned about the unfortunate scenes we're watching there,
why are we not saying that those responsible the great
evils in Syria, what are they doing to feed their victims? Yeah,
you go to Tibet, go and have a look at
what's happening in me and Mark? Why are they no
bridge marchers about those people? And actually the much larger
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numbers of casualties are taking place there?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Why we're not?
Speaker 10 (24:55):
And remember our own history, you know, I think some
five minion Jews, sorry German citizens died as the Allies
sought to crush the evils of Nazism. Five minutes are
we saying we should have stopped that campaign and allowed
the Nazis to rebuild. Let's bring some balance and some
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understanding in this. And I say that as somebody who
is beginning to think that perhaps mister Nettania, who might
pull back, perhaps he has achieved these objectives. That is
a serious subject which we can talk, but let's talk
in an intelligent and understanding way. Stop this juvenile critical
thinking you know that's driving this stuff, that somehow this
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is about oppressors and colonists. That just doesn't stack up
to a moment's examination for anyone who understands anything about.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
The Middle East.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
And I think what we've seen since October seven, with
I mean even the day after, less than twenty four
hours after October seven we saw those tredous marches down
to the Opera House.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I think we've seen certain cracks.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
In our society that have become gaping chasms. And the
ABC reported this week that a convicted isis recruiter was
actually at the Harbor Bridge rally with anti Semitic hate
preacher with some Hadad and it's alleged that they were
trying to use the pro Palestine movement as a way
to get people into radical Islam. And that's the other
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factor that is underlying this whole movement. What kind of
agendas are trying to latch onto the pro Palestine movement,
whether they be on the extreme left or radical Islam.
It's clear that there are many actors trying to use
this almost as a trojan horse to spread a deeper
and far more nefarious message.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Well, good on the ABC for exposing this.
Speaker 10 (26:53):
I'm the lighted that they have because I see show
after show after show on SBS and ABC where they refuse,
use to hammer harmas and identify their responsibilities for this
and the fact that they withdrew from the peace process,
you know, when a whole lot of Western countries basically
feel prey to their propaganda and said, let's have a
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two state solution. But why should we be surprised?
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Why?
Speaker 10 (27:20):
Why are well meaning Australians. I'm sorry to have to
say this, but what are you doing lining up on
the bridge when you've got people like this who are
obviously manipulating it?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Why are you aligning yourself with there? Why are not
going to have a genuine march for humanity?
Speaker 10 (27:33):
Because in effect, what you've got here is a lot
of people who are, if you're like Islamists in the
sense that it's a political movement as much as it
is a religious belief system, who are seeking a radically
different form.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Of government in Australia.
Speaker 10 (27:48):
And we had not only pictures of that horrendous figure
of evil, Ia Tala harmony being held up with.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
A certain form of premier of New South Walest. There
were Taliban flags there.
Speaker 10 (28:02):
How do you think our servicemen who went to try
and defeat the Taliban in no small parts, so the
women and children by the way Afghanistan might actually be
unable to go to school, might be safe, might actually
be able to find a life for themselves. And here
we are, in the name of a march for humanity,
lining up with people like that. This is a serious
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issue for the West as much as it is for Israel.
Let us make no mistake about it. We are losing
our ability to think clear We're have jettisoned our history,
and we are not thinking things through clearly. We're creating
a void into which really dangerous and convictions, if you like,
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convictions are flowing in. Our lack of conviction is creating
an environment where people with very strong convictions, convictions that
ought to be receiving a lot more scrutiny, are flowing
quite freely. And I find that really troubling.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
And just quickly before we go, if this is what
diversity looks like, has multiculturalism failed?
Speaker 10 (29:12):
I think multiculturalism is essentially in our failing because what
we can see is in the name of trying to
be nice to everybody else, we've turned ourselves inside out,
trying to give voice to ideas that are so essentially
hostile to our underlying values, the things that made our
culture attracting for other people to want to come.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
To that we you know it's beginning.
Speaker 10 (29:36):
Shall we say to fail the pub test in Australia,
and we do need to stop and say our culture matters,
It really.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Matters, you know.
Speaker 10 (29:47):
I learn the other day of a Vietnamese man who
came here with his family. He said to his two boys, right,
you go to school. I want you to be great Australians.
We wanted to come here for years. We've got here.
Now we want to help keep it great and make
it great in the future. Coming home from school to
my dad, this isn't a great country at all? Were
they at school? That it's an illegitimate.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Country exactly so sad and it's right through our education system.
John Anderson, thank you so much for your time this evening. Well,
don't go anywhere after the break. Gavin Newsom is ramping
up his feud with Donald Trump while his state is
in serious decline. That with US commentator Jamie Lee Franklin. Soon,
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but next, the Great Debate gets interesting. Tonight we discuss
how pornography and only fans are impacting society. With an
only fans creator up against an anti porn advocate, don't
go anywhere. Welcome back to the program. It is now
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time for the Great debate. As I discussed in my opener,
pornography has proliferated throughout society at a rate that is
almost incomprehensible. The average age of first exposure is eleven,
meaning half of kids are seeing it even younger than that.
A recent Australian study found that for fifteen to twenty
nine year olds, thirty nine percent of men and nineteen
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percent of women watched pornography daily in.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
The last twelve months.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
What does this do to women, to men, to our
relationships and is it good for our society? Joining me
now to debate this issue is adult content creator Belinda
Gavin and anti paorn activist an author Melinda Tankard.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Rice.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Belinda, let's start with you. How did you get into
the sex industry?
Speaker 11 (31:31):
It started in Los Angeles. I lived in Los Angeles
for the best part of twenty years as an actress,
and during that time I was approached to do some
erotic movies. Now for me, I didn't have a problem
with being nude so and I was acting, so it
was absolutely a dream come true. I got to travel around,
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I was on set, and I was being an actress.
I then maneuvered through the industry and actually started working
in full porn so x x X rated and only
fans popped up. Cut to you know, after COVID and
only fans becoming bigger. The word porn and being a
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porn start kind of you know, it wasn't as bad
as it used to be because it started to become
I guess more accepted.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Melinda, you do a lot of work in this sort
of anti pornography space, shining a light on some of
the dark sides of the industry. What do you say
to Belinda's story, Is that a common path into porn
and what are the risks involved in seeing pornography become
so mainstreamed.
Speaker 12 (32:41):
Yeah, it was certainly seeing the normalization and the glamorization
and the embedding of the sex industry, including now on TikTok,
which has two hundred thousand young people there and sixty
two percent under the age of sixteen. So certainly there
has been in a massive transformation and embedding a normalization
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of the industry, teaching young women that it's an aspiration,
it's an aspirational goal to commodify your body, to sell porn,
to become a content creator on Only Fans.
Speaker 13 (33:20):
We are seeing this on TikTok.
Speaker 12 (33:22):
I've been studying the TikTok to OnlyFans pipeline, but unfortunately
a lot of young women aren't given a true picture
of what might happen to them there, so they're groomed
to be sellers. Boys are groomed to be consumers, and
Only Fans has been implicated in non consensual image sharing,
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in sharing rape videos, images shared without consent. Reuters did
a big investigation last year and found miners were being
sold on the platform. Child sexual exploitation material sold on
the platform. Often a lot of young women see wealth
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and fame and riches and popularity and exotic holidays normalized
on the social media platforms, which they're required to have.
That's what only Fans requires. And interestingly, TikTok has a
terms and conditions against sexual solicitation, but this is exactly
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what is going on through refer to friend programs, through
recruitment agencies which recruit girls from their social media accounts.
I met a recruiter who did this and described herself
as a predator and a pimp.
Speaker 13 (34:38):
But don't often know the dark side.
Speaker 12 (34:40):
Don't often know about stalking, the leaking of their images,
and the particularly the more debased and degraded acts that
they will be expected to do. For example, the Bop
House combined following thirty three million barely legal content, and
the ones the girls that look the youngest, the most childified,
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make the most money because that's the demand. That's what
men want. That's why the barely legal genre is so popular.
And you know, tragically, so many girls are getting a
false idea and they say things like well, I don't
need to get another job, I don't need to finish school,
I don't need to finish a university. But they don't
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often understand the truth of where they might end up.
Speaker 13 (35:27):
A lot they'll have to do in a very very
competitive market.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Blinda, does this worry you at all?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
That you are participating in an industry where there is
so much exploitation of women? And I guess now as
pornography in a sense has been democratized. With OnlyFans, anyone
can be in the sex industry.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Now, you worry that young girls are now.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Looking at this and thinking that sex work could be
a good life for them. It's become aspirational. Does that
concern you?
Speaker 11 (36:00):
It is of concern, But I think and Melinda's right
with everything that she said, you know what I mean.
There has been lots of things that have happened within
the platforms. Nowadays there's a lot more rules and regulations.
I think for young women out there, what is important
is to know what you're getting into. You have to
understand that once you cross this line, that's it.
Speaker 13 (36:24):
It's going to be there.
Speaker 11 (36:25):
Some people, I'm very face out, I'm very outspoken about
the industry obviously, but I knew that, you know, I
knew that coming into this, and I understood it. I think, yes,
some girls are unfortunately jumping in because they see you know,
there's a lot of girls that do very well now
and you don't have to actually do X rated stuff
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on only fans either. There's still a lot of girls
that make a lot of money not doing X rated stuff.
The beauty of only fans, though, is that now it's
not a studio, and the creator is in charge of
what they want to do. And that's what I think
is the best thing about OnlyFans. I speak to a
lot of young girls and obviously deal with a lot
of creators and knowing you know what you're getting into
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and choosing your boundaries. You don't have to go all
the way. You don't have to be a body Blue,
you don't have to be an Anni Knight. This is entertainment,
just like any other movies. It's entertainment. It's not education.
It is entertaining people. And that's what is in the
hands of the creator now, so I can choose what
kind of content I want to put out there.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Well, I guess my personal perspective would be it's not
just entertainment when it involves sex and nudity.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
It is far more serious than that.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
But I want to ask Melinda a question, what do
you think this is doing two relationships between men and women?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
When you see exposure.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
To pornography at such a young age eleven years old?
Speaker 2 (37:54):
What's that doing to girls and boys as they grow up.
Speaker 12 (37:57):
Yes, I'd just like to come in on a couple
of things, Belinda said, and then I'll answer that question.
So the average income is one hundred and twenty five
dollars a month, So girls think that they might end
up as millionaires.
Speaker 13 (38:09):
That's very very rare.
Speaker 12 (38:11):
One percent women in the industry make those high figures,
and we need to look at what they have to
do to make that kind of money. For example, in
incest related content CHILDI find acting like acting like a
child huge demand for that kind of content.
Speaker 13 (38:28):
In terms of what young people are learning, you.
Speaker 12 (38:30):
Know, I've interviewed so many girls that say that boys
want to choke them, boys want to strangle them, boys
expect them to do the sex acts that the boys
have seen in porn. We need to remember that the
most popular genres of porn are.
Speaker 13 (38:45):
The most violent.
Speaker 12 (38:46):
I have more young women now saying to me they
don't even want to date anymore because so many men
are porn sick. They're rotted brains. They've just glutted so
much on porn.
Speaker 13 (38:58):
They don't know.
Speaker 12 (38:59):
How to have a normal, healthy, respectful intimate relationship.
Speaker 13 (39:04):
We are seeing an Australa.
Speaker 12 (39:05):
Now a rise of child on child sexual assault at
levels never before seen. The ABS data shows that adolescent
boys fourteen to nineteen are now not only committing the
highest rates of sexual offenses against women and girls, they
are committing the highest rates of sexual offenses against children.
Speaker 13 (39:27):
This has not been seen before. You can find that research.
Speaker 12 (39:30):
In the International Journal of Child Abuse and Neglect and
any authority in the field is now identifying exposure to pornography,
to violent pornography as fueling attitudes which drive violence against women.
We cannot address the epidemic of violence against women if
(39:51):
we don't address the role pornography has in shaping attitudes
and behaviors towards real women and real girls. So this
isn't fantasy, This is happening in the real world.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Final thoughts on that, Belinda, before we.
Speaker 11 (40:06):
Go, Education, I believe is what will help us here.
There is no sex education in the school. They have
to rely on what they see and of course that's
what they're exposed to. And hopefully we could have some
only fans that is educational. That would be my dream
is to be able to have creators that are actually
(40:29):
caring about and it is called ethical porn. There's a
lot of them out there, and there's a lot of
people who are very, very passionate about bringing the sex
industry into mainstream but also teaching people about it.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Well, that's an interesting question. Could there be such thing
as an ethical porn industry? Belinda Gavin and Melinda Tankard Rice,
thank you so much for joining us this evening. Fascinating
conversation coming up after the break, the Democrats finally wake
up to their woke ideology, realizing that they need to
ditch it if they want to win the next election.
Who knew, Jamie Lee Franklin joins me. Next, Welcome back
(41:13):
to the program. Let's head over to the United States now,
where the delusional Democrats.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Are finally realized they.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Need to become less woke if they want to win
the next election. Joining me to discuss this and more
is founder and CEO of The Conservator, Jamie Lee Franklin.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Jamie, thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
A group of Democrats in the US have released a
list of words that Democrats are apparently no longer allowed
to use their woke trigger words, and apparently if the
Democrats ever want to win again, they need to stop
using them. They're things like therapy speak, so dialoguing, othering, microaggression,
(41:54):
anything that sounds like it's straight from a university, like
subverting norms and system of oppression and anything that minimizes crime,
like justice involved or involuntary confinement. I mean, that would
seem to be half of the Democrats lexicon right.
Speaker 14 (42:15):
Totally. So I went to see Berkeley. I graduated a
few years ago. But I remember when I was on campus,
I'm asking me what my pronouns were. And I grew
up going to Catholic school my whole life, since this
was a foreign concept for me at the time, and
I thought when they asked me that they were saying.
And I was like, oh, I'm miss Chandler. That's my
maiden name. At the time, I was unmarried. And they're like, no,
I'm talking are you she her? And I'm like standing
(42:36):
there looking at myself. I have long hair and a
skirt and I'm like, why is.
Speaker 13 (42:39):
This even a question?
Speaker 14 (42:41):
So I'm glad Democrats are finally starting to figure out
some stuff, and I think they're going to be battling
within their party between this activist base and just.
Speaker 13 (42:49):
Kind of more of the normal people.
Speaker 14 (42:51):
I know that they're trying to move into the center
because they've just lost so many people in America and
the last twenty twenty four elections showed that, and I'll
say this too. You know, gen Z, they're saying right
now is on track to be the most conservative generation
since the Great Depression. And I think it's largely because
of this. My generation, we've grown up just being inundated
(43:11):
with these terms over and over again, and it's kind
of uncool and out of touch.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
And what does any of it mean?
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Justice involved, microaggressions, endless pronouns.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
It just gets more and more absurd.
Speaker 14 (43:28):
Yeah, and it just goes in circles too. Like my
favorite thing that they do is land acknowledgments. I don't
know if you guys do that in Australia, but that's
venue in Australia through Yeah, and I'm just like, okay,
so they acknowledged I guess the last tribe that held
possession of this land, But I'm like, what about the
one hundred tribes that conquered that land before that land?
(43:50):
So it's just like, where are we going back to
on this? It's just absolutely ridiculous. And like I said,
in America, at least a lot of people with inflation
and everything are just trying to get food on the table,
and so it just seems so out of touch. And
it's all these rich liberal elites and Cerrancesco. We're in
Manhattan and the middle of the country is just like,
we're over this, We're moving on.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Well, we are the capital of land acknowledgments here in
Australia and it really makes people annoyed. But now I
want to take you to Gavin Newsom's California, where fire
hydrants are more likely to be used as bid a's
for the homeless than actually fighting fires. Trump and Gavin
Newsom are now in a huge feud around Texas redistricting
(44:37):
that favored the Republicans, and Newsom's promising to redistrict California
to kind of level the playing field.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Here's what he said on Instagram earlier.
Speaker 15 (44:47):
We now have moved from a legislative effort to have
the backs of the people of Texas and now we
need to have the backs of people across this country.
We've got to disenthrall ourselves with the notion of weather
or not we should play hardball to how we play hardball.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
So is this part of the whole Democrat ray brand.
Gavin Newston is now going to become the tough guy
and will it actually work, I.
Speaker 13 (45:14):
Don't think so.
Speaker 14 (45:14):
So as you can see, I'm in DC right now,
that's where I live, But I grew up in California.
I lived there for twenty two years, and I lived
in the Bay Area. And so I've seen Gavin Newsom
as mayor of San Francisco, and I've seen him as
governor of California, and every single time anything he governs
becomes worse and worse and worse. California is a beautiful
state and it used to be the Golden Age of
(45:37):
America there and now it's just in complete chaos and
disarray under him. And so I know he's doing all
these political tactics right now, but as you saw with
the guy of the fire hydrant, this is a normal
thing that happens in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Oakland. Many
of these cities unfortunately look like third world countries because
they are so mismanaged. And so I think Gavin Newsom
(45:58):
is trying to run for president for eight and it
says a lot about the Democratic Party that people are
saying that he's a front runner. But I think it's
going to be impossible to escape this terrible record he has,
ruining my beautiful state. I think Americans by and large
will turn him down for sure.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Well, another thing that's been happening in the US recently
is crack a Barrel, which we don't have in Australia,
but from my understanding, it's a restaurant and a gift
store and they've undergone a big rebrand where they've ditched
a lot of the classic branding associated with Cracker Barrel,
like the country Guy, and they've really gone for this
(46:36):
sort of pedback modern look. Well, as a result, they've
lost one hundred million dollars off the value of their stocks.
Can you tell us a bit about what's going on there?
Is this part of a woke shift abandoning their heritage
and what's the backlash all about?
Speaker 14 (46:54):
Yeah, so a lot of Americans we've grown up going
to Cracker Barrel. People have a ton of memories going
there for soccer, turn are on their way to visit
their grandparents, and it's just known as this like very eclectic,
nostalgic place to go to. It has like all of
these things all over the wall and that's part of
its charm. And it has really good pancakes, I will
say too. But this is what the woke people do.
They're constantly coming in. I mean, it sounds a little
(47:17):
dramatic to say this, but if you look at communists
in the Soviet era, they ruined everything that's beautiful, everything
that has charm and art, to be quite frank, and
so that's what kind of woke leftists to do. They
want to make everything sterile. Now it looks like a hospital,
and they took off the barrel and the man off
of the logo. And so I'm glad that Cracker Barrel
is getting its backlash. And the last thing I'll say too,
(47:39):
the CEO has gotten a lot of fire recently. This woman,
and she just looks like you're I don't know where
she's from, but she looks like you're city elitist who's
never even stepped foot in a cracker barrel. So it's
very reminiscent of the bud Light fiasco with that other
marketing woman. And so hopefully these companies are learning their
lesson and keep your tradition and charm.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Well, Jamie, thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 14 (48:04):
Thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 7 (48:06):
Well.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
I talked earlier in this show about Triple J's podcast
called The Hookup. Well, another ABC program that is delivering
not newsworthy content is ABC Queer.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Who made this video and.
Speaker 16 (48:20):
Then the election happened. We read Project twenty twenty five.
We knew where the United States was going with the
governor Ron Desantas is don't say gay Bill, I'm not
allowed to go in women's restrooms in Florida, and we
decided we couldn't stay, so we made a plan to
sell our house. Sikastam is Australian. We knew that Victoria
was probably the most LGBTQ friendly state.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Thank you public broadcaster that's added so much value to
our country. Well that's all I have time for tonight.
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