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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Right now the fires up.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Let's get into the program and let's set with the
three things that are firing me up tonight. Number one
the Palestine march in Bondai, isis bribes and the Pentagon rebrand. Today,
a bunch of pro Palestinians rocked up a Bondai beach
to protest.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I want to show.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
A pretty pathetic showing in my opinion. Thankfully patriotic Ausies
and supporters of Israel turned up to counter protest.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
But notice how there's not a.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Single Australian flag at the pro Palestine protest. There are
plenty of Palace singing flags, kafirs, Aboriginal flags, and even
a giant watermelon, but not a single Australian flag. Contrasts
that to the pro Israel side, where they even sang
the Australian National anthem. Holding a Palestine protest on the
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beach is so un Australian. Our beaches are places for
everyone to enjoy and they shouldn't be taken over by
divisive protests. But you also have to question why they
protested at Bondai in the first place.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Week after week.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
They have protested in the city, yet now they decide
to go to Bondai. It's clearly aimed at escalating tensions
and intimidating Jewish people, many of whom live in the
Bondi area, and there's no reason to go there other
than to provoke, intimidate, and harass. For the pro Palestine side,
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it's not about the welfare of people in Gars. If
it were, they'd be condemning her Mass for looting aid
and using civilians as human shields. They'd be calling for
her Mask to lay down their weapons and release the hostages.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
But they're not.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
If they really cared about civilians, why have they not
said a word about the hundreds of thousands killed in
the civil war in Yemen, or the thousands of Christians
being massacred in Africa, or the execution of Jerus and
all whites in Syria. This isn't about civilians, or war
or even Palasgine. It's about hating Israel and ultimately hating
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the West. And that is the difference. While they are
motivated by hate, the patriotic Aussies who are defending Bondai
today are motivated by love, love of our country that
they don't want to see ripped apart by thousand year
old hatreds love of their neighbors that they don't want
to see get harassed or targeted simply because they are Jewish.
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The pro Palisine movement is a trojan horse for radicalism
and all it does is spread hatred and division, and
around the world people are sick of it. Even in
Northern Ireland. Now the wives of slain or detained ISIS
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terrorists are coming back to Australia. Almineasy initially claimed the
report wasn't accurate, but was caught out when New South
Wales Police Minister said they were already working with other
agencies to prepare for their arrival.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
We are still working through that issue with the Commonwealth.
The roles have yet to be finalized between what New
South Wales government, including the New South Wales Police saying
the Commonwealth's roles will be well.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That's a bit awkward for Albo. He then backtracked, saying
he'd been asked about whether the government was assisting with
their departure from Syria, not their arrival in Australia. But
as Peter Jennings wrote in The Australian Today, I know
from decades in defense that such operations generate a mountain
of ministerial submissions, AZIO, threat assessments and visa approvals for
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alban easy to claim no assistance is plainly false. Labor
are deliberately being deceptive because they know no one voted
for this, and this shows Labour's contempt for our nation.
These women are traitors to Australia. They willingly went to
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Syria to join ISIS or marry ISIS fighters.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
They have no moral right.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
To return to Australia and the timing of this couldn't
be worse. Australian's social cohesion, according to the Scanlon Foundation's index,
is at its worst level on record. Last week, thousands
of people rallied against mass immigration, and our terror threat
has been upgraded to probable, meaning according to ASIO, there
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is a greater than fifty percent chance of an onshore
attack or attack planning in the next twelve months now.
The other question is how do you reintegrate people like
this back into the community. In March, sky Neese UK
visited one of these camps for ISIS brides and their children.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
In the women's market. It doesn't take long to discover
where their allegiances lie. Comian, we love the Islamic state.
She says, we're free in the Islamic state. Here we
are captives. How we're going to behead you? They're saying
alongside cutting motions. Young ones right now, But they feared
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to be the next generation of cubs of the Caliphate.
If they don't get rehabilitational psychological help.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
If this is the environment these women and children have
been in for years, we are in trouble. Labor is
prioritizing the feelings of national traitors over the safety and
security of Australians. The government must put Australians first and
stop this madness. Well, Trump has renamed the Pentagon from
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the Department of Defense to the Department of War.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
We won the Second World War, we won everything before
that and in between, and then we decided to go woke,
and we change your name to Department of Defense.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
So we're going Department of War now.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
The post World War II consensus said that the ultimate
virtue was inclusivity, tolerance, and ultimately weakness. This manifested itself
as weak national Identity Week leaders and weak defense forces,
the West Tribe being week following the rules based international order.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
But guess what our enemies.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Diff didn't all that's happened is we've become weak while
they've become strong. This week, China held its huge military parade,
flanked by two dozen world leaders and Chairman Dan from Victoria.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
They flex their.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Intercontinental nuclear missiles with a range of twenty thousand kilometers,
autonomous submarines AI powered drones while they were undertaking the
greatest arms build up since World War II. This is
how Biden era America was trying to recruit people to
the US Army.
Speaker 7 (07:42):
Begins in California. But the little girl raised by two moms,
I also marched for equality. I like to think I've
been defending freedom from an early age. When I was
six years old, one of my moms had an accident.
They left to paralyzed, but she tapped into my family's
pride to get back on her feet, eventually standing at
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the altar to marry my other mom, and after meeting
with an armor recruiter, I found it a way to
prove my inner strength. I'm US Army corporal, emmam alone Lord,
and I answered my calling.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Thankfully.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
That era of wake woke America is done. This is
the new American Department of War.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
We're focusing our military on its core mission crushing America's adversaries.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
We're in the business of war fighting.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Strength not only wins wars, it also attracts people to
fight for their country. The US Army has reached its
recruitment target four months early, and army recruitment is ten
percent higher than it was last year. This is deeper
than just a rebrand. The Department of War sends a
message that the US is done just being the world's policeman.
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They're here to win wars. They've been playing defense since
World War II. Now it's time to go on offense.
How I wish our own leaders in Australia would take notes.
Now we have an absolutely packed show for you tonight,
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a debate on immigration with Cosamaris and Leith van Onslan.
My panel will weigh in on sharknet removals, and we'll
speak with the daughter and victim of the first New
South Wales prisoner to end his life with voluntary assisted dying.
But first let's bring in tonight's panel influencer George Mamalis
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and political commentator Kimilla Bailey. Thank you so much for
joining us tonight. Kimilla, Let's start with you, what did
you make of the protest.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
In Bondai, nothing makes my blood boil more.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
I mean, we're seeing a whole bunch of low lives
who need to get jobs.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
It's a reality.
Speaker 8 (10:23):
These people need jobs, and they're going out to Bondai
where they know it has a high population of Jewish people,
and they're just there to provoke.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
It's I use the analogy of poking the bear.
Speaker 8 (10:33):
So they're just trying to get a reaction, and they're
just trying to get you know, just you know, you
knows tensions are rising.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
That's what they want. And I really like what you said.
Speaker 8 (10:44):
I mean, you look at the pro Palestinian side, and
you know, it's abolishes Australia. They hate Australia and it's
all Palestine and they adore Gaza. And then you look
at the you know, pro Israel, pro Australia is what
I like to say.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
You know, they were happy singing the national anthem.
Speaker 8 (11:00):
There was all this pride for Australia because these people
want peace.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
So ultimately my heart goes out to the Jewish.
Speaker 8 (11:07):
Community because they are sick and tired of having to
put up with things that they're not even you know,
they're not out on the streets protesting for they just
want to live normal lives totally.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Well, George, is it intentionally provocative to go to Bonnai
Beach occupy what is supposed to be a public beach
for everyone, to spread division and hate? I mean, what
did they think they were going to achieve here?
Speaker 9 (11:33):
Hello, Parah, thanks for having me on today. Look, I'll
just say this straight up. I think what we saw
today is another example of how the government and their
poor policies for the last twenty years has led to
the rise and extremism and things imported ideologies have basically
created tribalism with our own country. It kind of feels
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like the war itself has somehow it's on our shorts
right now and it.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Isn't promoting unity.
Speaker 9 (12:03):
And Australia right now has a huge amount of problems
economically speaking. We have the same economic diversity right now
as Mongolia, and these kind of events will just keep
happening more and more. And I just wanted to remind
Australians maybe it's time to start really focusing on our
nation and start focusing on nation building again rather than these.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Overseas conflicts that.
Speaker 9 (12:25):
Really have nothing to do with everyday Australians couldn't agree more.
Speaker 10 (12:29):
Well.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
We're also seeing in the arts sector particularly, there is
enormous pressure on musicians to boycott Israel. There are even
websites that have popped up that track which pop stars
haven't made statements supporting Gaza and they are being pressured
to do so. Now people are calling for a boycott
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of Radioheads Europe to US because they played a gig
once in twenty seventeen in Tel Aviv. I mean, so
much for the left being tolerant. Right, if you haven't
said something, now they're gonna boycott you.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
It's not just enough to not say anything, you have
to say something exactly right.
Speaker 8 (13:08):
And you know, I just thought of something really really funny.
Imagine if Taylor Swift came out and she was pro Israel.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
What would the lefties do?
Speaker 8 (13:17):
I mean, they you know, they can't figure out what
side they're on that you know, one day it's pro Palestine,
one day it's you know, the indigenous communities, but when
the indigenous communities are suffering, oh.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
It's pro Palestine. So they can't even figure out what
side they're on.
Speaker 8 (13:31):
And I just love to see if Taylor Swift came
out and said I'm pro Israel.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
What would they do exactly?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And George, we saw musicians like Bob Villain at Glastonbury
on stage chanting death to the idem which if you're
in Israel, that's basically everyone because they all have to
serve in the army.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
How is that okay?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
But then if you're just silent, if you just don't
want to take a position, which I respect as well,
then you're the one attacked.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You point out some good things there.
Speaker 9 (14:03):
For the issue is the Labor Party is particularly the
Greens Party, are obsessed with never communicating and never they're
never for unification. And we see people at the Abbey
chapterins of this World who a lot of the younger
population look to for knowledge, calling people racist, calling people
even ugly, and using all these druggery terms. And this
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is the thing the woke left for many many years now.
They're never seeming to look for unification. It's always separation.
And the only thing that leads to is the rise
I call it the woke right, and we're seeing it
all across now with for example, the March for Australia protests,
the rise of the woke right and it's just going
to breed more extremism and more clashes, and the media portraying,
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particularly the woke media, portraying things like that that coul
to death to the IDF only adds fuel to the fire.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Well, Camilla, I want to bring you in here on
the issue of sharknits. We saw a tragic events in
dy Beach where a father lost his life to a
shark attack. Chris Mins has now said they will pause
the trial of removing sharknets. But I think the fact
that this was ever being considered, doesn't it just show
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that we're prioritizing the environment, which you know, with respect
over human life.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Is that really the way to go? So I think
this is completely ridiculous. I think, you know, it.
Speaker 8 (15:25):
Almost feels a bit insensitive to talk about sharkness, you know,
a couple of days after this incident happened, and it's
truly tragic. But I just think we're at a stage
where this government is prioritizing these radical lefties who think
shark lives are more important than that of human life.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I mean, we've come to.
Speaker 8 (15:43):
A stage where we are prioritizing an animal who couldn't
care less about us, would rip us apart if they
got the chance to. We are prioritizing that animal over
children who were going in over the summer to just
enjoy their day. It is I don't even I can't
even believe we're having this conversation totally, George, your take
on sharknets four or against.
Speaker 9 (16:05):
Look, Sharton nets are not perfect, but they give some
level of safety. And I think this is it goes
down to the Greens again. The Greens almost seem to
be anti human at this point, and they rather use
symbols to promote how beautiful and awesome they are rather
than the actual safety of human lives. And it just
feeds more and more into their ideology, and it just
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grows and grows, and it's quite frightening, to the point
where we're now seeing more incidents. This summer has been
this this whole season has been terrible for shark attacks.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
So true, Well, Camilla, the firefighters union down in Victoria,
wants more diverse firefighters and so they're asking for extra
funding to close the gender gap in firefighting. My question is,
why the heck does it matter what the gender of
a firefighter is?
Speaker 8 (16:53):
I must say so say I'm God forbid and a
burning fire. My house is burning down. The last thing
that I would be looking for is oh is that
firefire a woman?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Oh? Is it a man? I couldn't care less.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
And the fact that we're investing more money for women
to go in industries that they don't maybe necessarily want
to go into' it's I'm sick and tired, and I
think everyone's sick and tired of this woke identity.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Politics that was so twenty twenty.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
Why the hell are we introducing this woke trying to.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Get women into areas they don't really want to be into.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
So true and George, we saw in California, for example,
what happens when you prioritize DEI and identity over merit
and competence. Ultimately they ended up with terrible bushfires. The
fre Department was completely incapable of handling the situation. In
a country like Australia where we do have very bad bushfires.
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What does this say about the state of our country
when unions are more concerned about the gender of firefighters
than actually fight fires.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yes, you're completely right there.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
Look, DEI is one of the greatest threats to Australia
and if fire fighting requires strength, it requires stamina, requires judgment,
and I'm sure there's plenty of females out there who
are brave enough to do this job. But the end
of the day, that shouldn't be the main message this.
The message should be competence, and fire fighting is one
of the toughest jobs in the world, requires the highest
level of competence. And you're right the la Is an example,
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was fantastic because they didn't have water in their hoses,
that's how incompetent it was, and that led to Death's
houses being burnt down and complete shift of la forever.
So symbolism over substance again, it's just deadly and it's
going to end more lives.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
So this needs to stop immediately.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
George, I want to get your thoughts on this. You
sort of touched on the rise of the woke right earlier.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Now, the NZN the neo Nazis are running training days
in suburban Sydney, but according to the police, recruitment isn't
going crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
They're still straggling, still trying to get more people.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
But to me, I mean, these guys just look utterly pathetic.
Even at the August thirty first rallies when they got
onto the microphone. In many cities, lots of people left
or booed at that moment. How do we instill positive
patriotism in young people and reclaim patriotism so it doesn't
get hijacked by these nutters.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Look, the woke Right, I like to call them.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
Their leader is a pagan and I've looked deeply into
his speeches and talked online and it's quite clear that
he follows pagan ways. And it's unfortunate because a lot
of these people who are being recruited are young men.
A lot of them are probably in cells who've never
really had any job prospects, and you know, depression for
men is quite high, so it feels like these poor
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men are being kind of taken advantage of by this
cult like woke Right.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
And I've tried my hardest to.
Speaker 9 (19:55):
Reach out to these people because in the day, these
are human who are suffering. But they do require level
of communication. That's the difference between the left and the right.
The right will always communicate with their far right to
try and bring them back to the center. The left
hold no accountability over their woke left. They just let
them do whatever they want. They let them fester. And
this is what adds even more fueled the fire because
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it adds to the frustration of this woke right we're seeing.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
So yes, I.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
Think at the end of the day, the media, the
labor government are loving this because they get exactly what
they want. More excuses to push digital ID, more excuses
to put up censorship through social media.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
And yeah, it's not a good situation when right.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Now, so true.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Well, thank you so much for joining me, guys joining
me now to explain all three things. USA is reporter
at the Federalist Brianna Lyman. Brianna, thank you so much
for joining us. The Pentagon has rebranded to the Department
of War.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
What do you make of this move?
Speaker 11 (20:58):
I think this is a great move. Up until eighteen
forty seven, it was called the Department of War, and
post World War Two, there was a shift in how.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
We wanted to posture ourselves.
Speaker 11 (21:08):
We wanted to prevent, like other countries, another world conflict,
and unfortunately, with that name change, it signified a huge
shift in how America conducted herself on the foreign stage.
And since nineteen forty seven we have become the world police.
So I hope that by reverting back to the original
name Department of War. We send the signal that our
defense capabilities are solely to protect Americans in a time
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of war, but we are no longer going to be
the police of the world totally.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
And look, Austin City appears not to have learned anything
from the disastrous Kraco Barrel rebrand.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
They've ditched their heritage logo for a new modern version.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Now Austin is a left wing island in Texas, which
is mostly Republican and conservative. But why does the left
in the US cape wrecking heritage and going for these boring, modern,
lame rebrands that no one likes.
Speaker 11 (22:09):
Yeah, that's exactly what it is. No one likes them.
These are top down impositions from people who live in
these elite, euphoric ideas of what a city or America
should be, and they impose it on the rest of us.
But the average person in Austin number one probably did
not want to spend more than one million dollars on
the ugliest logo I've ever seen. And any kind of
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city that has a million dollars to spend on a
logo is a city that taxes its constituents too. Much,
because that is not what tax payer dollars should be
used for. But I think the overarching theme here is
that the left wants to make everything this bleak, corporate,
mundane look, and it takes the character and charm away
from things that make America American right Americana so true.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Now I want to turn to Pam Bondi, the Attorney General.
She's established a task force to eradicate anti Christian bias.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Kiss she was earlier this week.
Speaker 12 (23:04):
The Department of Justice will protect religious liberty for Christians
and for all Americans. Biden's Department of Justice abused and
targeted Christians. Pro life Christians were arrested and imprisoned for
peacefully praying outside abortion clinics. The fbis spied on traditional
Catholics in their parishes.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
How important is this?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Was there a sense that Christians under the Biden administration
were not free to practice their faith openly?
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (23:37):
In Richmond, Virginia, Pambini briefly touched on this, but there
was a memo to go after traditional Catholics. The FBI,
a federal agency, was weaponized to target individuals for practicing
their First Amendment right. We saw it with the face Act,
which was used to target pro lifers who did the
crime of praying outside an abortion clinic. And it's all
concerning because not only was America founded on the idea
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that anyone can have free practice of religion, but our
founders were extremely clear about the role that Christianity plead
in the creation of this amazing country. They spoke of providence,
they spoke of Christianity being the guiding principles of the
Declaration of the Constitution. So to see a government agency
and administration that is supposed to uphold the Constitution turn
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it flat on its face is disturbing. So I'm happy
to see that Pambardy and Trump are taking a new stance.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And it also feels like support for Christianity used to
be a bipartisan position. You had strong Christians in the
Republicans and the Democrats. But if you look at the
Democrat Party today with their unparalleled support for things like abortion,
just pushing woke stuff down everyone's throats, it really does
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make you question, can you still be a conservative, Bible
believing Christian in the US and be voting for the Democrats,
or let alone be an elected member of the Democrats.
Speaker 11 (25:01):
I think only if you're stupid. Unfortunately for the Left,
they do not believe in traditional religious values. They want
to create a society that is godless. And while the
Founders never advocated for theocracy, they never omitted faith from
their work, and they were very clear that America could
only survive if a moral and religious people kept it together.
So the left's attack on Christianity Catholicism is part of
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their effort to fundamentally just change what the foundation of
America was and to make her a godless society, which
we know civilization has not lasted long without God involved exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
And look, I want to take you now to RFK
and Kate Hagseeb who which is so funny, but they
put out this fitness challenge that went absolutely viral last week.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Check it out.
Speaker 9 (25:48):
The challenge is to do one hundred plush ups and
Synthey pull ups in any order you want, in under
ten minutes.
Speaker 13 (25:55):
So five minutes is the top standard that we want
to make I'm going to be able to do now.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Hilariously, the lefties at the New York Times clearly couldn't
handle so much masculinity or muscle, so they published this
article whose headline says why experts caution against the Hegseth
Kennedy fitness challenge?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
What is so wrong with being fit and healthy?
Speaker 11 (26:23):
Yeah, and notice that they always rely on experts, right,
the same experts that locked us down for almost a year,
that told us social at six feet worked. These are
the experts they now call in. And the reason that
the left targets people who want to promote fitness is
because for years in America at least, the left wing
media has tried to align people who like to work
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out with white supremacy and fascism. They've written articles about that.
And so the reason they try to deter people from
working out is people who work out tend to have
higher levels of endorphins, less levels of depression of suicidal
ide elation. So these are individuals who at the end
of the day are happier and they have self independence
and self governance capabilities. And those type of people do
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tend to vote right. So I think this is part political,
part cultural. They don't want people embracing their masculinity working out,
and they also don't want people starting to shift to
the right if they have more self control over their
physical health.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well, they hate healthy people, but they seem to be
obsessed with the LGBTQ stuff. Still, this was the Democrat
nominee for governor of New Jersey earlier this week. I
would push an LGBTQ education into our schools. Parents have
a right to opt out of a lot of things,
but this is not an area where they should be
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opting out. So she's saying she doesn't want parents.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
To be able to opt out of.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
LGBTQ education in schools. When will the Democrats learn that
this is not what parents want.
Speaker 11 (27:57):
Yeah, and it's not education, it is in doctrination. And
like I mentioned earlier, this is another one of those
top down impositions. Nobody went out there and voted this
year saying, oh God, I hope I can get my
children to learn more about LGBTQ. I'm voting Democrats. In fact,
they did the opposite. The entire country shifted right, and
in this New Jersey gubernatorial race, I am hopeful that
Jack Chidarelli, the Republican candidate, can win. This New Jersey
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is more of a swing stay right now than Florida is.
And even though Poling has Jack a few points behind,
I think it's actually a lot closer than the polling
indicates and Mikey Cherrell is not a good candidate. And
I think parents are fed up with having their children
being indoctrinated with this wook ideology that doesn't resonate with
most Americans.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
One hundred percent, And that should be up to parents
to teach their children, not some school to just shove
it down their throats. Well, Briannett, thank you so much
for your time.
Speaker 14 (28:48):
For having me.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Well, coming up after the break, a debate on immigration
with cos Samaris and Leith van onselin Don't go Anywhere,
Welcome back to the program. Every week we like to
have a debate on a pressing issue facing our nation. Currently,
there's perhaps nothing more significant than immigration, but what impact
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does it really have on housing, our economy and our culture. Well,
joining me now at two of the best minds in
this space, Leith van Onslan, chief economist at Macro Business,
and Polster Cosamarus from Redbridge. Leif, let's start with you,
what do the numbers actually say about immigration levels in
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Australia right now?
Speaker 11 (29:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 15 (29:39):
Thanks Frea and gid Akos. Look, I think it's important
to look at this through a historical context. So in
the first sixty years after World War Two, Australia's net
overseas migration averaged ninety thousand people per year, and in
only two of those years out of that sixty year period,
net overseas migration was more than one hundred and fifty thousand. Now,
in the fifteen years of Big Australia leading up to
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the pandemic, net overseas migration averaged two hundred and twenty
thousand people a year, which was one hundred and forty
five percent increase over the post war average. In the
past five years so up to twenty twenty four, which
includes the pandemic lockdowns when borders were shut, net overseas
migrations averaged two hundred and sixty thousand per year, which
is one hundred and ninety percent increase in the post
war average. Now, the latest official net overseas migration numbers,
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which are for the fourth quarter of last year, showed
that last year we had three hundred and forty thousand
net overseas migrants. Now that's higher than anything the nation
had experienced before the pandemic. Right, it has come down
a bit, but it's higher than anything we'd ever experienced
pre pandemic and Australia's net perman long term arrivals started,
which is then monthly release showed that we've had record
net perman long term arrivals over the first six months
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of this year, which suggests that net overseas migration might
have picked up again. So that's basically what the numbers
are telling you. Immigration is very high.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Very fascinating because what are your thoughts on this.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Do you think immigration is too high?
Speaker 13 (30:58):
You could probably peg it back a bit. But fundamentally
the epicenter of this country's problem when it comes to
housing is there's a multiple reasons.
Speaker 10 (31:08):
For the problem.
Speaker 13 (31:10):
Number one, we have a market that's basically being created
through Airbnb, where two hundred thousand plus homes are put
on the market since twenty sixteen, but no longer in
the rental space. We're not building enough homes obviously that's
another problem. And at the same time, people can't find
the types of homes they want to rent in the
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suburbs they want to live in, and that is fundamentally
the biggest challenge. So it's not necessarily do migrants impact
some of that to some extent, but ain't the main reason.
It's on the sides it's a contributing factor, but ain't
the main reason.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
That's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I've seen some data that shows that apparently here in
Australia we actually have one of the highest rates of
new home construction per capita. And really it's not supply,
although we could be better at that, but it's demand.
Leif have you seen any numbers that would support that
or what do you say to causes point?
Speaker 15 (32:09):
Yeah, So for me, the main issue at the housing
markets actually the rental market. So you know, rather than prices,
prices is impacted by interest rates and a whole bunch
of stuff. The rental market is really supply versa demand.
So it's population demand versus what you can do right.
And according to Shane Oliver, he's a respected economist, he
estimates the Australia's current housing shorges is between two hundred
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thousand and three hundred thousand dwellings and it's increased, you know,
by that amount since we ran up immigration in the
mid two thousands. Now, the federal government's own advisory council,
the National Housing Supply and Affordability Council, forecasts that over
the next five years we're going to build seventy nine
thousand less homes than the increase in the population. Right,
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so our housing shorge is going to get worse. And
those forecasts are based on population projections from the Federal budget,
which are likely to be conservative, and the National Housing
Supply and Affordability Council said that if population growth fifteen
percent higher than projected by Treasury, we're going to have
a two hundred thousand worsen in the housing crisis. However,
if we merely cut population growth, well it's not not
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cut it, but had fifteen percent less population growth than
forecast by the Treasury, we'd actually have a forty thousand
surplus in homes over the next five years. Now, that
tells you, in black and white that the number one
solution if you're worried about the rental market and the
rental crisis is to slow down demand by slowing down
population growth, which means slowing down immigration.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Because what do Australians think about immigration. I've seen some
polls that show the majority say they're concerned.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
About it, they think it's too high.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
But on the other hand, we've seen anti immigration rallies
last weekend, for example, that can be hijacked by extremist
elements and perhaps risk alienating people. What do you think
the general attitude is out there towards our current immigration levels.
Speaker 13 (33:58):
Look, if I rate a poll twenty years ago, I'll
get the same answers as i'll get now, and that
is Australians, any resident of any western country in the
world will tell you they do not like immigration. As
human beings, we don't like seeing our society disrupted and
we don't like more competition introducing to the world that
we live in. So that's always fundamentally the number one
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answer we will get no matter when we ask to survey,
is there too much immigration?
Speaker 16 (34:25):
Now?
Speaker 13 (34:26):
Flip side to that, Does it actually persuade the vote?
The answer is it does, but on the right side
of politics.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
So what we.
Speaker 13 (34:35):
Think is going to happen with the rallies and this
issue being elevated is it will start animating the right
wing of the coalition's electoral structure. And there's some vulnerability
there because if the coalitions are seen they're being too
soft in that space. We do know is they lose
votes to their right flank and we've seen that manifest
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in other contest as well. So it's an interest situation.
I think we'll see in the next two or three
years that will unravel for the Coalition because of this issue.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
How much I'm ken to get your thoughts on this
cause how much of a threat is this to Labor though,
because even at the last election we saw Labor almost
concede to the Coalition on immigration. They also said they
would cut migration, they would put new caps on international students,
et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
So does Labor also see.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
A risk here for them maybe in their more outer
suburban seats.
Speaker 13 (35:33):
Not really, you see, because the outer suburban seats that
we're looking at that Labor holds and wants to hold
at the next election largely in Melbourne and Sydney to
loss extent Brisbane, and even in Brisbane some of the
seats that they wanted the last federal election in that city.
One of the contributing factors is the diversity element within
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these electorates.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
So the top diverse electorates, that.
Speaker 13 (35:56):
Is, electrics that had the highest number of Australians or
first or six and generation migrants in the country Labor holds, Sorry,
the Coalition only hold two of the top fifty and
so you know, Labour's probably sitting there going, well, look,
with our constituencies diverse, our constituency is pretty clearly defined
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and we know who we're going to go into Batlele,
so they really don't have any much risks. I mean,
where we know this issue animates voters in a very
strong way. Where it does result a shift in a
ballot box, it's probably in electrics, which the labor paty
don't actually hold at the moment.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Interesting, Leith, if you were a coalition strategist or someone
looking to take votes away from labor, howard you approach
this issue of immigration and the conversation around bringing it
down to sustainable levels.
Speaker 15 (36:49):
Yeah, so look, look I always look at this through
through an economic lens, right, So I personally would like
to see ASTRAI as med overseas migration cut around one
hundred and twenty thousand a year, which was basically the
early two thousands before we ramp it up. And I
think the Coalition should picture in that we need quality
over quantity, so we should be focusing on maximizing Australia's productivity,
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taking stress off housing, infrastructure, those sorts of things. In
order to do that, you need to focus on very
highly skilled migrants rather than the sort of quantity based
approach we've got at the moment where most is actually
not very skilled and it's not actually solving labor shortages
because we're not bringing in the right sort of skills
to actually solve those shortages. And personally, I'd love to
see the Coalition. They'll never do this, but I'd love
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to see him actually propose a PLETI site at the
next election, not on immigration, but on Australia's future population size.
So Australians, I think this should be a democratic process.
We should be able to decide how big we want
Australia become, and then once we have those numbers from
the PLTI site, policy makers can then calibrate the migration
system around achieving that target. Because at the moment there
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really is no population plan. It's sort of devised by
the Federal Treasury just puts in whole bunch of numbers
through the Center for Population. The federal government, you know,
sort of goes for those numbers loosely, but they don't
really have any real control over it, and it tends
to be viewed about, you know, maximizing GDP growth and
maximizing the federal budget. Not per capital living standards nor
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liverability in those sorts of things, you know, environmental impacts,
those are the sorts of things we need to worry about,
and also maximizing productivity.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
We don't do any of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Well, that was going to be my next question.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
We've seen a per capita GDP recession, so living standards
have been falling in Australia post COVID, but I guess
our headline economic figures have sort of been propped up
by this mass immigration. How much of our immigration policy
do you think LEIF is dictated by lazy governments who
would rather import more demand to boost the economy than
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actually deal with some of the fundamental drivers like slow
productivity growth, like low business investment.
Speaker 15 (38:54):
Yeah, one hundred percent. So basically, look, look, the easiest
way to grow the economy is just bringing more people.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Right.
Speaker 15 (38:59):
The bringing more people, you get more economic activity, you
get high GDP growth, But it doesn't improve per capital
livingness standards. Not does it improve productivity. One of the
reasons why Australia's productivity is so poor. It's not the
only reason. It's because we've grown the population so much
faster than we've grown business investment, infrastructure, all those sorts
of things, and as a result, we've had what economists
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called capital shallowing, So it's basically where the amount of
capital in the economy per worker actually falls, and that
makes you less productive. And at the same time we've
actually our immigration system is actually very low skilled. Despite
the fact that it's called skilled, it's actually very low skilled.
So what we really need to do is just have
a much smaller number, a sustainable number of very high
skilled immigration should be focused on skills above everything else. Sure,
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you can have your family visas, but the skill we
need to focus more on the skilled side of things.
Then you'll get high productivity per person, and you'll also
take the pressure off infrastructure and your business investment will
be able to keep up with the population, which will
mean you get capital deepening, which actually drives productivity growth.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Fascinating well, because just before we go, do you have
any final thoughts on that?
Speaker 13 (40:03):
Yeah, just on the point that we've all been discussing,
and that is what were the coalition, What the coalition
should have done in the twenty twenty five election is yes,
announce a revision of immigration numbers, but focus on promoting
the skilled intake which is largely coming from the diasporas
which are animating the body politic right now. So Indian
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and Chinese Australians who are very very much skilled. And
when you interview these Australians, I will tell you, yeah,
I've got a university degree, I'm working in health and
so on. So they tickle all those boxes and it's
a very safe space for the collision being. I thought
they were going to go through in twenty twenty five.
For some reason they chose not to.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
So fascinating. Well, leave Van Onslin and Kasa Maris. That
was excellent, Thank you so much for your time. Well,
coming up after the break, I speak with nevea Jet,
the daughter and victim of a convicted sex of who
last week was the first prisoner to end his.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Own life under New South.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Wales's voluntary assisted dying laws. She'll tell her story after
the break. Welcome back to the program. Well, my burning
issue this week is the injustice that occurred in New
South Wales when an inmate who was sentenced to thirty
years in prison for sex offenses was able to end
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his life on Thursday under New South Wales's voluntary assisted
dying laws. He served just seven years of his thirty
year sentence for the sexual abuse of fourteen victims. His
daughter and victim, Nevea, shared her story on social media.
Speaker 14 (41:45):
I and other victims feel robbed that he did not
serve out his natural life in prison. He was given
the easy way out, the comfortable way out.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
And she joins us. Now, thank you so much, Neveya
for joining us. Can you tell us a bit about
your story and the kind of man that Daniel Hume was.
Speaker 14 (42:11):
Thank you for having me Freya, Yes, absolutely, I ken
thank you for giving us a voice. On the outside,
he was an everyday family man. Neighbors thought that he
was hilarious, funny, the kind of guy you would want
to have a drink with. But on the inside, to us,
he was a monster.
Speaker 11 (42:29):
He was he was so scary.
Speaker 14 (42:33):
I felt like I couldn't walk around the house without
being punished by him through little things.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
It's so so tragic, and from what I understand, you
and other victims endured years of abuse at his hands
and getting to that point of actually achieving a conviction
was extremely difficult. You talked in your video on social
media how you gave an victim impact statement in court.
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Now that he's been able to essentially escape justice, escape
serving his term that he was given, how does that
make you feel.
Speaker 14 (43:12):
I'm absolutely outraged. It shouldn't have happened. I put myself
on the line. I put my deepest vulnerabilities out there
to a room full of strangers, to detectives, investigators, and
in front of my own father.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
For that to be shoved back in my face.
Speaker 14 (43:28):
There was no consideration for how this might affect the victims.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
And that's outrageous.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
It's completely unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Were you informed of the decision to allow him to
end his life at all?
Speaker 14 (43:41):
No, I didn't even know he was ill. I found
out that he had passed away on the first of September,
so four days after it had already the treatment had
already been completed.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
That is just so, so so wrong. Have you been
in contact with any other victims, How are you all feeling?
Speaker 14 (44:02):
The victims that I have been in contact with or
feel the exact same way. We want justice. We don't
feel like we were treated fairly in this, and it's
just it's such a hard thing to put into words,
the trauma that this has brought up. We went through
this for three years together, and now we have to
go through it all over again.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
It feels like.
Speaker 14 (44:24):
And not only are we victims of Daniel, but now
we're victims of whoever let this happen.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Well, Chris Mins this week said he wouldn't change the
laws around voluntary assist dying.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Here's what he said.
Speaker 16 (44:40):
Look, in relation to that decision for him to kill him,
to have voluntary assisted dying, to effectively suicide via the
new South Wales justice health system, I'm not proposing to
change the system.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
What's your message to Chris Mins?
Speaker 14 (44:59):
My message to Chris Mins would be if you can
see the outrage that this has caused, not only to
the fourteen recorded victims, but to the three million people
who have seen my video, then I don't think that
you should be the one in control of making these
decisions at all. You slipped up there and said killed himself,
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and that's exactly what he did, and you guys allowed
it to happen. You sit here and say that there's
no regulation, and Ryan Park he said the exact same thing,
there's no regulation, it wasn't ran by me.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Well why not?
Speaker 14 (45:31):
I think that that is your responsibility to make sure
that those regulations are in place so that this doesn't happen.
A prisoner who is serving thirty years in prison should
not be eligible to end that sentence via any means
without consultation from the victims.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Totally agree, Nevaia, how can we support you?
Speaker 14 (45:51):
So I am trying to raise funds at the moment
to get a lawyer so the victims and I can
get justice. The go far me is called support Support Voices. Sorry,
it's called support Voices for Victims. But there is a
link on my Instagram and on my TikTok which is
at nev with two Eyes underscore wren wr N, which
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I think will be linked somewhere on the website.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Well, from myself and our viewers, I can say we
are all completely outraged and just heartbroken at this tragedy
and the government needs to act now to make sure
this doesn't happen again. Navaga, absolutely, thank you so much
for joining us tonight.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Thank you so much for having me. Freya Well.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
This week's fruitcake is the new British Home Secretary, Shabana Mahmoud.
She's the first Pakistani Muslim to be put in charge
of Britain's borders and national security, but she abstained from
the vote designating Palasgine Action a terrorist organization after it
vandalized me literary aircraft. And in her first day as
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Home Secretary they were over one thousand illegal boat arrivals.
At this rate, Nigel Farage will definitely be the next
Prime Minister of the UK. Our second free k four
you is none other than Zoran mum Danni. He asked
a kid what he would do as mayor of New
York and let's just say it's pretty ironic.
Speaker 9 (47:26):
If you were the leader of New York City for
a day, what would you change.
Speaker 10 (47:30):
I would change that people not getting to have what
they want, and if they don't have not much money,
I would change that into that they could because they
need that money.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Hmmm, free stuff. That sounds exactly like Zoran's policy of
council run grocery stores and rent freezers. And if I
was a New Yorker with the life experience of an
eight year oldrow, I'd vote for Zoran mum Danni as well. Well,
thank you so much. That's all the time I have
for you tonight.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
It's always a privilege to.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Get to spend this time with you on Sunday evenings.
I'll be back again next week at six pm, or
you can find me on The Late Debate Monday to
Thursday at ten pm. As always, if you have any feedback,
any recommendations, or any lefties you want me to debate
on this show, you can always email me at Freyer
dot Leach at skynews dot com dot au.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
That's all we have time for tonight.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Stay tuned because up next is Deneker and James
Right now the fires up.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Let's get into the program and let's set with the
three things that are firing me up tonight. Number one
the Palestine march in Bondai, isis bribes and the Pentagon rebrand. Today,
a bunch of pro Palestinians rocked up a Bondai beach
to protest.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I want to show.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
A pretty pathetic showing in my opinion. Thankfully patriotic Ausies
and supporters of Israel turned up to counter protest.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
But notice how there's not a.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Single Australian flag at the pro Palestine protest. There are
plenty of Palace singing flags, kafirs, Aboriginal flags, and even
a giant watermelon, but not a single Australian flag. Contrasts
that to the pro Israel side, where they even sang
the Australian National anthem. Holding a Palestine protest on the
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beach is so un Australian. Our beaches are places for
everyone to enjoy and they shouldn't be taken over by
divisive protests. But you also have to question why they
protested at Bondai in the first place.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Week after week.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
They have protested in the city, yet now they decide
to go to Bondai. It's clearly aimed at escalating tensions
and intimidating Jewish people, many of whom live in the
Bondi area, and there's no reason to go there other
than to provoke, intimidate, and harass. For the pro Palestine side,
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it's not about the welfare of people in Gars. If
it were, they'd be condemning her Mass for looting aid
and using civilians as human shields. They'd be calling for
her Mask to lay down their weapons and release the hostages.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
But they're not.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
If they really cared about civilians, why have they not
said a word about the hundreds of thousands killed in
the civil war in Yemen, or the thousands of Christians
being massacred in Africa, or the execution of Jerus and
all whites in Syria. This isn't about civilians, or war
or even Palasgine. It's about hating Israel and ultimately hating
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the West. And that is the difference. While they are
motivated by hate, the patriotic Aussies who are defending Bondai
today are motivated by love, love of our country that
they don't want to see ripped apart by thousand year
old hatreds love of their neighbors that they don't want
to see get harassed or targeted simply because they are Jewish.
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The pro Palisine movement is a trojan horse for radicalism
and all it does is spread hatred and division, and
around the world people are sick of it. Even in
Northern Ireland. Now the wives of slain or detained ISIS
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terrorists are coming back to Australia. Almineasy initially claimed the
report wasn't accurate, but was caught out when New South
Wales Police Minister said they were already working with other
agencies to prepare for their arrival.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
We are still working through that issue with the Commonwealth.
The roles have yet to be finalized between what New
South Wales government, including the New South Wales Police saying
the Commonwealth's roles will be well.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That's a bit awkward for Albo. He then backtracked, saying
he'd been asked about whether the government was assisting with
their departure from Syria, not their arrival in Australia. But
as Peter Jennings wrote in The Australian Today, I know
from decades in defense that such operations generate a mountain
of ministerial submissions, AZIO, threat assessments and visa approvals for
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alban easy to claim no assistance is plainly false. Labor
are deliberately being deceptive because they know no one voted
for this, and this shows Labour's contempt for our nation.
These women are traitors to Australia. They willingly went to
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Syria to join ISIS or marry ISIS fighters.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
They have no moral right.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
To return to Australia and the timing of this couldn't
be worse. Australian's social cohesion, according to the Scanlon Foundation's index,
is at its worst level on record. Last week, thousands
of people rallied against mass immigration, and our terror threat
has been upgraded to probable, meaning according to ASIO, there
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is a greater than fifty percent chance of an onshore
attack or attack planning in the next twelve months now.
The other question is how do you reintegrate people like
this back into the community. In March, sky Neese UK
visited one of these camps for ISIS brides and their children.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
In the women's market. It doesn't take long to discover
where their allegiances lie. Comian, we love the Islamic state.
She says, we're free in the Islamic state. Here we
are captives. How we're going to behead you? They're saying
alongside cutting motions. Young ones right now, But they feared
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to be the next generation of cubs of the Caliphate.
If they don't get rehabilitational psychological help.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
If this is the environment these women and children have
been in for years, we are in trouble. Labor is
prioritizing the feelings of national traitors over the safety and
security of Australians. The government must put Australians first and
stop this madness. Well, Trump has renamed the Pentagon from
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the Department of Defense to the Department of War.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
We won the Second World War, we won everything before
that and in between, and then we decided to go woke,
and we change your name to Department of Defense.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
So we're going Department of War now.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
The post World War II consensus said that the ultimate
virtue was inclusivity, tolerance, and ultimately weakness. This manifested itself
as weak national Identity Week leaders and weak defense forces,
the West Tribe being week following the rules based international order.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
But guess what our enemies.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Diff didn't all that's happened is we've become weak while
they've become strong. This week, China held its huge military parade,
flanked by two dozen world leaders and Chairman Dan from Victoria.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
They flex their.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Intercontinental nuclear missiles with a range of twenty thousand kilometers,
autonomous submarines AI powered drones while they were undertaking the
greatest arms build up since World War II. This is
how Biden era America was trying to recruit people to
the US Army.
Speaker 7 (07:42):
Begins in California. But the little girl raised by two moms,
I also marched for equality. I like to think I've
been defending freedom from an early age. When I was
six years old, one of my moms had an accident.
They left to paralyzed, but she tapped into my family's
pride to get back on her feet, eventually standing at
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the altar to marry my other mom, and after meeting
with an armor recruiter, I found it a way to
prove my inner strength. I'm US Army corporal, emmam alone Lord,
and I answered my calling.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Thankfully.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
That era of wake woke America is done. This is
the new American Department of War.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
We're focusing our military on its core mission crushing America's adversaries.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
We're in the business of war fighting.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Strength not only wins wars, it also attracts people to
fight for their country. The US Army has reached its
recruitment target four months early, and army recruitment is ten
percent higher than it was last year. This is deeper
than just a rebrand. The Department of War sends a
message that the US is done just being the world's policeman.
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They're here to win wars. They've been playing defense since
World War II. Now it's time to go on offense.
How I wish our own leaders in Australia would take notes.
Now we have an absolutely packed show for you tonight,
(09:45):
a debate on immigration with Cosamaris and Leith van Onslan.
My panel will weigh in on sharknet removals, and we'll
speak with the daughter and victim of the first New
South Wales prisoner to end his life with voluntary assisted dying.
But first let's bring in tonight's panel influencer George Mamalis
(10:05):
and political commentator Kimilla Bailey. Thank you so much for
joining us tonight. Kimilla, Let's start with you, what did
you make of the protest.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
In Bondai, nothing makes my blood boil more.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
I mean, we're seeing a whole bunch of low lives
who need to get jobs.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
It's a reality.
Speaker 8 (10:23):
These people need jobs, and they're going out to Bondai
where they know it has a high population of Jewish people,
and they're just there to provoke.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
It's I use the analogy of poking the bear.
Speaker 8 (10:33):
So they're just trying to get a reaction, and they're
just trying to get you know, just you know, you
knows tensions are rising.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
That's what they want. And I really like what you said.
Speaker 8 (10:44):
I mean, you look at the pro Palestinian side, and
you know, it's abolishes Australia. They hate Australia and it's
all Palestine and they adore Gaza. And then you look
at the you know, pro Israel, pro Australia is what
I like to say.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
You know, they were happy singing the national anthem.
Speaker 8 (11:00):
There was all this pride for Australia because these people
want peace.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
So ultimately my heart goes out to the Jewish.
Speaker 8 (11:07):
Community because they are sick and tired of having to
put up with things that they're not even you know,
they're not out on the streets protesting for they just
want to live normal lives totally.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Well, George, is it intentionally provocative to go to Bonnai
Beach occupy what is supposed to be a public beach
for everyone, to spread division and hate? I mean, what
did they think they were going to achieve here?
Speaker 9 (11:33):
Hello, Parah, thanks for having me on today. Look, I'll
just say this straight up. I think what we saw
today is another example of how the government and their
poor policies for the last twenty years has led to
the rise and extremism and things imported ideologies have basically
created tribalism with our own country. It kind of feels
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like the war itself has somehow it's on our shorts
right now and it.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Isn't promoting unity.
Speaker 9 (12:03):
And Australia right now has a huge amount of problems
economically speaking. We have the same economic diversity right now
as Mongolia, and these kind of events will just keep
happening more and more. And I just wanted to remind
Australians maybe it's time to start really focusing on our
nation and start focusing on nation building again rather than these.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Overseas conflicts that.
Speaker 9 (12:25):
Really have nothing to do with everyday Australians couldn't agree more.
Speaker 10 (12:29):
Well.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
We're also seeing in the arts sector particularly, there is
enormous pressure on musicians to boycott Israel. There are even
websites that have popped up that track which pop stars
haven't made statements supporting Gaza and they are being pressured
to do so. Now people are calling for a boycott
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of Radioheads Europe to US because they played a gig
once in twenty seventeen in Tel Aviv. I mean, so
much for the left being tolerant. Right, if you haven't
said something, now they're gonna boycott you.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
It's not just enough to not say anything, you have
to say something exactly right.
Speaker 8 (13:08):
And you know, I just thought of something really really funny.
Imagine if Taylor Swift came out and she was pro Israel.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
What would the lefties do?
Speaker 8 (13:17):
I mean, they you know, they can't figure out what
side they're on that you know, one day it's pro Palestine,
one day it's you know, the indigenous communities, but when
the indigenous communities are suffering, oh.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
It's pro Palestine. So they can't even figure out what
side they're on.
Speaker 8 (13:31):
And I just love to see if Taylor Swift came
out and said I'm pro Israel.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
What would they do exactly?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And George, we saw musicians like Bob Villain at Glastonbury
on stage chanting death to the idem which if you're
in Israel, that's basically everyone because they all have to
serve in the army.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
How is that okay?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
But then if you're just silent, if you just don't
want to take a position, which I respect as well,
then you're the one attacked.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You point out some good things there.
Speaker 9 (14:03):
For the issue is the Labor Party is particularly the
Greens Party, are obsessed with never communicating and never they're
never for unification. And we see people at the Abbey
chapterins of this World who a lot of the younger
population look to for knowledge, calling people racist, calling people
even ugly, and using all these druggery terms. And this
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is the thing the woke left for many many years now.
They're never seeming to look for unification. It's always separation.
And the only thing that leads to is the rise
I call it the woke right, and we're seeing it
all across now with for example, the March for Australia protests,
the rise of the woke right and it's just going
to breed more extremism and more clashes, and the media portraying,
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particularly the woke media, portraying things like that that coul
to death to the IDF only adds fuel to the fire.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Well, Camilla, I want to bring you in here on
the issue of sharknits. We saw a tragic events in
dy Beach where a father lost his life to a
shark attack. Chris Mins has now said they will pause
the trial of removing sharknets. But I think the fact
that this was ever being considered, doesn't it just show
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that we're prioritizing the environment, which you know, with respect
over human life.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Is that really the way to go? So I think
this is completely ridiculous. I think, you know, it.
Speaker 8 (15:25):
Almost feels a bit insensitive to talk about sharkness, you know,
a couple of days after this incident happened, and it's
truly tragic. But I just think we're at a stage
where this government is prioritizing these radical lefties who think
shark lives are more important than that of human life.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I mean, we've come to.
Speaker 8 (15:43):
A stage where we are prioritizing an animal who couldn't
care less about us, would rip us apart if they
got the chance to. We are prioritizing that animal over
children who were going in over the summer to just
enjoy their day. It is I don't even I can't
even believe we're having this conversation totally, George, your take
on sharknets four or against.
Speaker 9 (16:05):
Look, Sharton nets are not perfect, but they give some
level of safety. And I think this is it goes
down to the Greens again. The Greens almost seem to
be anti human at this point, and they rather use
symbols to promote how beautiful and awesome they are rather
than the actual safety of human lives. And it just
feeds more and more into their ideology, and it just
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grows and grows, and it's quite frightening, to the point
where we're now seeing more incidents. This summer has been
this this whole season has been terrible for shark attacks.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
So true, Well, Camilla, the firefighters union down in Victoria,
wants more diverse firefighters and so they're asking for extra
funding to close the gender gap in firefighting. My question is,
why the heck does it matter what the gender of
a firefighter is?
Speaker 8 (16:53):
I must say so say I'm God forbid and a
burning fire. My house is burning down. The last thing
that I would be looking for is oh is that
firefire a woman?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Oh? Is it a man? I couldn't care less.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
And the fact that we're investing more money for women
to go in industries that they don't maybe necessarily want
to go into' it's I'm sick and tired, and I
think everyone's sick and tired of this woke identity.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Politics that was so twenty twenty.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
Why the hell are we introducing this woke trying to.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Get women into areas they don't really want to be into.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
So true and George, we saw in California, for example,
what happens when you prioritize DEI and identity over merit
and competence. Ultimately they ended up with terrible bushfires. The
fre Department was completely incapable of handling the situation. In
a country like Australia where we do have very bad bushfires.
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What does this say about the state of our country
when unions are more concerned about the gender of firefighters
than actually fight fires.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yes, you're completely right there.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
Look, DEI is one of the greatest threats to Australia
and if fire fighting requires strength, it requires stamina, requires judgment,
and I'm sure there's plenty of females out there who
are brave enough to do this job. But the end
of the day, that shouldn't be the main message this.
The message should be competence, and fire fighting is one
of the toughest jobs in the world, requires the highest
level of competence. And you're right the la Is an example,
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was fantastic because they didn't have water in their hoses,
that's how incompetent it was, and that led to Death's
houses being burnt down and complete shift of la forever.
So symbolism over substance again, it's just deadly and it's
going to end more lives.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
So this needs to stop immediately.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
George, I want to get your thoughts on this. You
sort of touched on the rise of the woke right earlier.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Now, the NZN the neo Nazis are running training days
in suburban Sydney, but according to the police, recruitment isn't
going crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
They're still straggling, still trying to get more people.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
But to me, I mean, these guys just look utterly pathetic.
Even at the August thirty first rallies when they got
onto the microphone. In many cities, lots of people left
or booed at that moment. How do we instill positive
patriotism in young people and reclaim patriotism so it doesn't
get hijacked by these nutters.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Look, the woke Right, I like to call them.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
Their leader is a pagan and I've looked deeply into
his speeches and talked online and it's quite clear that
he follows pagan ways. And it's unfortunate because a lot
of these people who are being recruited are young men.
A lot of them are probably in cells who've never
really had any job prospects, and you know, depression for
men is quite high, so it feels like these poor
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men are being kind of taken advantage of by this
cult like woke Right.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
And I've tried my hardest to.
Speaker 9 (19:55):
Reach out to these people because in the day, these
are human who are suffering. But they do require level
of communication. That's the difference between the left and the right.
The right will always communicate with their far right to
try and bring them back to the center. The left
hold no accountability over their woke left. They just let
them do whatever they want. They let them fester. And
this is what adds even more fueled the fire because
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it adds to the frustration of this woke right we're seeing.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
So yes, I.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
Think at the end of the day, the media, the
labor government are loving this because they get exactly what
they want. More excuses to push digital ID, more excuses
to put up censorship through social media.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
And yeah, it's not a good situation when right.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Now, so true.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Well, thank you so much for joining me, guys joining
me now to explain all three things. USA is reporter
at the Federalist Brianna Lyman. Brianna, thank you so much
for joining us. The Pentagon has rebranded to the Department
of War.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
What do you make of this move?
Speaker 11 (20:58):
I think this is a great move. Up until eighteen
forty seven, it was called the Department of War, and
post World War Two, there was a shift in how.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
We wanted to posture ourselves.
Speaker 11 (21:08):
We wanted to prevent, like other countries, another world conflict,
and unfortunately, with that name change, it signified a huge
shift in how America conducted herself on the foreign stage.
And since nineteen forty seven we have become the world police.
So I hope that by reverting back to the original
name Department of War. We send the signal that our
defense capabilities are solely to protect Americans in a time
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of war, but we are no longer going to be
the police of the world totally.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
And look, Austin City appears not to have learned anything
from the disastrous Kraco Barrel rebrand.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
They've ditched their heritage logo for a new modern version.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Now Austin is a left wing island in Texas, which
is mostly Republican and conservative. But why does the left
in the US cape wrecking heritage and going for these boring, modern,
lame rebrands that no one likes.
Speaker 11 (22:09):
Yeah, that's exactly what it is. No one likes them.
These are top down impositions from people who live in
these elite, euphoric ideas of what a city or America
should be, and they impose it on the rest of us.
But the average person in Austin number one probably did
not want to spend more than one million dollars on
the ugliest logo I've ever seen. And any kind of
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city that has a million dollars to spend on a
logo is a city that taxes its constituents too. Much,
because that is not what tax payer dollars should be
used for. But I think the overarching theme here is
that the left wants to make everything this bleak, corporate,
mundane look, and it takes the character and charm away
from things that make America American right Americana so true.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Now I want to turn to Pam Bondi, the Attorney General.
She's established a task force to eradicate anti Christian bias.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Kiss she was earlier this week.
Speaker 12 (23:04):
The Department of Justice will protect religious liberty for Christians
and for all Americans. Biden's Department of Justice abused and
targeted Christians. Pro life Christians were arrested and imprisoned for
peacefully praying outside abortion clinics. The fbis spied on traditional
Catholics in their parishes.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
How important is this?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Was there a sense that Christians under the Biden administration
were not free to practice their faith openly?
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (23:37):
In Richmond, Virginia, Pambini briefly touched on this, but there
was a memo to go after traditional Catholics. The FBI,
a federal agency, was weaponized to target individuals for practicing
their First Amendment right. We saw it with the face Act,
which was used to target pro lifers who did the
crime of praying outside an abortion clinic. And it's all
concerning because not only was America founded on the idea
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that anyone can have free practice of religion, but our
founders were extremely clear about the role that Christianity plead
in the creation of this amazing country. They spoke of providence,
they spoke of Christianity being the guiding principles of the
Declaration of the Constitution. So to see a government agency
and administration that is supposed to uphold the Constitution turn
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it flat on its face is disturbing. So I'm happy
to see that Pambardy and Trump are taking a new stance.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And it also feels like support for Christianity used to
be a bipartisan position. You had strong Christians in the
Republicans and the Democrats. But if you look at the
Democrat Party today with their unparalleled support for things like abortion,
just pushing woke stuff down everyone's throats, it really does
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make you question, can you still be a conservative, Bible
believing Christian in the US and be voting for the Democrats,
or let alone be an elected member of the Democrats.
Speaker 11 (25:01):
I think only if you're stupid. Unfortunately for the Left,
they do not believe in traditional religious values. They want
to create a society that is godless. And while the
Founders never advocated for theocracy, they never omitted faith from
their work, and they were very clear that America could
only survive if a moral and religious people kept it together.
So the left's attack on Christianity Catholicism is part of
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their effort to fundamentally just change what the foundation of
America was and to make her a godless society, which
we know civilization has not lasted long without God involved exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
And look, I want to take you now to RFK
and Kate Hagseeb who which is so funny, but they
put out this fitness challenge that went absolutely viral last week.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Check it out.
Speaker 9 (25:48):
The challenge is to do one hundred plush ups and
Synthey pull ups in any order you want, in under
ten minutes.
Speaker 13 (25:55):
So five minutes is the top standard that we want
to make I'm going to be able to do now.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Hilariously, the lefties at the New York Times clearly couldn't
handle so much masculinity or muscle, so they published this
article whose headline says why experts caution against the Hegseth
Kennedy fitness challenge?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
What is so wrong with being fit and healthy?
Speaker 11 (26:23):
Yeah, and notice that they always rely on experts, right,
the same experts that locked us down for almost a year,
that told us social at six feet worked. These are
the experts they now call in. And the reason that
the left targets people who want to promote fitness is
because for years in America at least, the left wing
media has tried to align people who like to work
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out with white supremacy and fascism. They've written articles about that.
And so the reason they try to deter people from
working out is people who work out tend to have
higher levels of endorphins, less levels of depression of suicidal
ide elation. So these are individuals who at the end
of the day are happier and they have self independence
and self governance capabilities. And those type of people do
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tend to vote right. So I think this is part political,
part cultural. They don't want people embracing their masculinity working out,
and they also don't want people starting to shift to
the right if they have more self control over their
physical health.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well, they hate healthy people, but they seem to be
obsessed with the LGBTQ stuff. Still, this was the Democrat
nominee for governor of New Jersey earlier this week. I
would push an LGBTQ education into our schools. Parents have
a right to opt out of a lot of things,
but this is not an area where they should be
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opting out. So she's saying she doesn't want parents.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
To be able to opt out of.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
LGBTQ education in schools. When will the Democrats learn that
this is not what parents want.
Speaker 11 (27:57):
Yeah, and it's not education, it is in doctrination. And
like I mentioned earlier, this is another one of those
top down impositions. Nobody went out there and voted this
year saying, oh God, I hope I can get my
children to learn more about LGBTQ. I'm voting Democrats. In fact,
they did the opposite. The entire country shifted right, and
in this New Jersey gubernatorial race, I am hopeful that
Jack Chidarelli, the Republican candidate, can win. This New Jersey
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is more of a swing stay right now than Florida is.
And even though Poling has Jack a few points behind,
I think it's actually a lot closer than the polling
indicates and Mikey Cherrell is not a good candidate. And
I think parents are fed up with having their children
being indoctrinated with this wook ideology that doesn't resonate with
most Americans.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
One hundred percent, And that should be up to parents
to teach their children, not some school to just shove
it down their throats. Well, Briannett, thank you so much
for your time.
Speaker 14 (28:48):
For having me.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Well, coming up after the break, a debate on immigration
with cos Samaris and Leith van onselin Don't go Anywhere,
Welcome back to the program. Every week we like to
have a debate on a pressing issue facing our nation. Currently,
there's perhaps nothing more significant than immigration, but what impact
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does it really have on housing, our economy and our culture. Well,
joining me now at two of the best minds in
this space, Leith van Onslan, chief economist at Macro Business,
and Polster Cosamarus from Redbridge. Leif, let's start with you,
what do the numbers actually say about immigration levels in
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Australia right now?
Speaker 11 (29:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 15 (29:39):
Thanks Frea and gid Akos. Look, I think it's important
to look at this through a historical context. So in
the first sixty years after World War Two, Australia's net
overseas migration averaged ninety thousand people per year, and in
only two of those years out of that sixty year period,
net overseas migration was more than one hundred and fifty thousand. Now,
in the fifteen years of Big Australia leading up to
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the pandemic, net overseas migration averaged two hundred and twenty
thousand people a year, which was one hundred and forty
five percent increase over the post war average. In the
past five years so up to twenty twenty four, which
includes the pandemic lockdowns when borders were shut, net overseas
migrations averaged two hundred and sixty thousand per year, which
is one hundred and ninety percent increase in the post
war average. Now, the latest official net overseas migration numbers,
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which are for the fourth quarter of last year, showed
that last year we had three hundred and forty thousand
net overseas migrants. Now that's higher than anything the nation
had experienced before the pandemic. Right, it has come down
a bit, but it's higher than anything we'd ever experienced
pre pandemic and Australia's net perman long term arrivals started,
which is then monthly release showed that we've had record
net perman long term arrivals over the first six months
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of this year, which suggests that net overseas migration might
have picked up again. So that's basically what the numbers
are telling you. Immigration is very high.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Very fascinating because what are your thoughts on this.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Do you think immigration is too high?
Speaker 13 (30:58):
You could probably peg it back a bit. But fundamentally
the epicenter of this country's problem when it comes to
housing is there's a multiple reasons.
Speaker 10 (31:08):
For the problem.
Speaker 13 (31:10):
Number one, we have a market that's basically being created
through Airbnb, where two hundred thousand plus homes are put
on the market since twenty sixteen, but no longer in
the rental space. We're not building enough homes obviously that's
another problem. And at the same time, people can't find
the types of homes they want to rent in the
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suburbs they want to live in, and that is fundamentally
the biggest challenge. So it's not necessarily do migrants impact
some of that to some extent, but ain't the main reason.
It's on the sides it's a contributing factor, but ain't
the main reason.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
That's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I've seen some data that shows that apparently here in
Australia we actually have one of the highest rates of
new home construction per capita. And really it's not supply,
although we could be better at that, but it's demand.
Leif have you seen any numbers that would support that
or what do you say to causes point?
Speaker 15 (32:09):
Yeah, So for me, the main issue at the housing
markets actually the rental market. So you know, rather than prices,
prices is impacted by interest rates and a whole bunch
of stuff. The rental market is really supply versa demand.
So it's population demand versus what you can do right.
And according to Shane Oliver, he's a respected economist, he
estimates the Australia's current housing shorges is between two hundred
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thousand and three hundred thousand dwellings and it's increased, you know,
by that amount since we ran up immigration in the
mid two thousands. Now, the federal government's own advisory council,
the National Housing Supply and Affordability Council, forecasts that over
the next five years we're going to build seventy nine
thousand less homes than the increase in the population. Right,
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so our housing shorge is going to get worse. And
those forecasts are based on population projections from the Federal budget,
which are likely to be conservative, and the National Housing
Supply and Affordability Council said that if population growth fifteen
percent higher than projected by Treasury, we're going to have
a two hundred thousand worsen in the housing crisis. However,
if we merely cut population growth, well it's not not
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cut it, but had fifteen percent less population growth than
forecast by the Treasury, we'd actually have a forty thousand
surplus in homes over the next five years. Now, that
tells you, in black and white that the number one
solution if you're worried about the rental market and the
rental crisis is to slow down demand by slowing down
population growth, which means slowing down immigration.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Because what do Australians think about immigration. I've seen some
polls that show the majority say they're concerned.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
About it, they think it's too high.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
But on the other hand, we've seen anti immigration rallies
last weekend, for example, that can be hijacked by extremist
elements and perhaps risk alienating people. What do you think
the general attitude is out there towards our current immigration levels.
Speaker 13 (33:58):
Look, if I rate a poll twenty years ago, I'll
get the same answers as i'll get now, and that
is Australians, any resident of any western country in the
world will tell you they do not like immigration. As
human beings, we don't like seeing our society disrupted and
we don't like more competition introducing to the world that
we live in. So that's always fundamentally the number one
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answer we will get no matter when we ask to survey,
is there too much immigration?
Speaker 16 (34:25):
Now?
Speaker 13 (34:26):
Flip side to that, Does it actually persuade the vote?
The answer is it does, but on the right side
of politics.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
So what we.
Speaker 13 (34:35):
Think is going to happen with the rallies and this
issue being elevated is it will start animating the right
wing of the coalition's electoral structure. And there's some vulnerability
there because if the coalitions are seen they're being too
soft in that space. We do know is they lose
votes to their right flank and we've seen that manifest
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in other contest as well. So it's an interest situation.
I think we'll see in the next two or three
years that will unravel for the Coalition because of this issue.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
How much I'm ken to get your thoughts on this
cause how much of a threat is this to Labor though,
because even at the last election we saw Labor almost
concede to the Coalition on immigration. They also said they
would cut migration, they would put new caps on international students,
et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
So does Labor also see.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
A risk here for them maybe in their more outer
suburban seats.
Speaker 13 (35:33):
Not really, you see, because the outer suburban seats that
we're looking at that Labor holds and wants to hold
at the next election largely in Melbourne and Sydney to
loss extent Brisbane, and even in Brisbane some of the
seats that they wanted the last federal election in that city.
One of the contributing factors is the diversity element within
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these electorates.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
So the top diverse electorates, that.
Speaker 13 (35:56):
Is, electrics that had the highest number of Australians or
first or six and generation migrants in the country Labor holds, Sorry,
the Coalition only hold two of the top fifty and
so you know, Labour's probably sitting there going, well, look,
with our constituencies diverse, our constituency is pretty clearly defined
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and we know who we're going to go into Batlele,
so they really don't have any much risks. I mean,
where we know this issue animates voters in a very
strong way. Where it does result a shift in a
ballot box, it's probably in electrics, which the labor paty
don't actually hold at the moment.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Interesting, Leith, if you were a coalition strategist or someone
looking to take votes away from labor, howard you approach
this issue of immigration and the conversation around bringing it
down to sustainable levels.
Speaker 15 (36:49):
Yeah, so look, look I always look at this through
through an economic lens, right, So I personally would like
to see ASTRAI as med overseas migration cut around one
hundred and twenty thousand a year, which was basically the
early two thousands before we ramp it up. And I
think the Coalition should picture in that we need quality
over quantity, so we should be focusing on maximizing Australia's productivity,
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taking stress off housing, infrastructure, those sorts of things. In
order to do that, you need to focus on very
highly skilled migrants rather than the sort of quantity based
approach we've got at the moment where most is actually
not very skilled and it's not actually solving labor shortages
because we're not bringing in the right sort of skills
to actually solve those shortages. And personally, I'd love to
see the Coalition. They'll never do this, but I'd love
(37:32):
to see him actually propose a PLETI site at the
next election, not on immigration, but on Australia's future population size.
So Australians, I think this should be a democratic process.
We should be able to decide how big we want
Australia become, and then once we have those numbers from
the PLTI site, policy makers can then calibrate the migration
system around achieving that target. Because at the moment there
(37:54):
really is no population plan. It's sort of devised by
the Federal Treasury just puts in whole bunch of numbers
through the Center for Population. The federal government, you know,
sort of goes for those numbers loosely, but they don't
really have any real control over it, and it tends
to be viewed about, you know, maximizing GDP growth and
maximizing the federal budget. Not per capital living standards nor
(38:16):
liverability in those sorts of things, you know, environmental impacts,
those are the sorts of things we need to worry about,
and also maximizing productivity.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
We don't do any of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Well, that was going to be my next question.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
We've seen a per capita GDP recession, so living standards
have been falling in Australia post COVID, but I guess
our headline economic figures have sort of been propped up
by this mass immigration. How much of our immigration policy
do you think LEIF is dictated by lazy governments who
would rather import more demand to boost the economy than
(38:47):
actually deal with some of the fundamental drivers like slow
productivity growth, like low business investment.
Speaker 15 (38:54):
Yeah, one hundred percent. So basically, look, look, the easiest
way to grow the economy is just bringing more people.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Right.
Speaker 15 (38:59):
The bringing more people, you get more economic activity, you
get high GDP growth, But it doesn't improve per capital
livingness standards. Not does it improve productivity. One of the
reasons why Australia's productivity is so poor. It's not the
only reason. It's because we've grown the population so much
faster than we've grown business investment, infrastructure, all those sorts
of things, and as a result, we've had what economists
(39:19):
called capital shallowing, So it's basically where the amount of
capital in the economy per worker actually falls, and that
makes you less productive. And at the same time we've
actually our immigration system is actually very low skilled. Despite
the fact that it's called skilled, it's actually very low skilled.
So what we really need to do is just have
a much smaller number, a sustainable number of very high
skilled immigration should be focused on skills above everything else. Sure,
(39:40):
you can have your family visas, but the skill we
need to focus more on the skilled side of things.
Then you'll get high productivity per person, and you'll also
take the pressure off infrastructure and your business investment will
be able to keep up with the population, which will
mean you get capital deepening, which actually drives productivity growth.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Fascinating well, because just before we go, do you have
any final thoughts on that?
Speaker 13 (40:03):
Yeah, just on the point that we've all been discussing,
and that is what were the coalition, What the coalition
should have done in the twenty twenty five election is yes,
announce a revision of immigration numbers, but focus on promoting
the skilled intake which is largely coming from the diasporas
which are animating the body politic right now. So Indian
(40:26):
and Chinese Australians who are very very much skilled. And
when you interview these Australians, I will tell you, yeah,
I've got a university degree, I'm working in health and
so on. So they tickle all those boxes and it's
a very safe space for the collision being. I thought
they were going to go through in twenty twenty five.
For some reason they chose not to.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
So fascinating. Well, leave Van Onslin and Kasa Maris. That
was excellent, Thank you so much for your time. Well,
coming up after the break, I speak with nevea Jet,
the daughter and victim of a convicted sex of who
last week was the first prisoner to end his.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Own life under New South.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Wales's voluntary assisted dying laws. She'll tell her story after
the break. Welcome back to the program. Well, my burning
issue this week is the injustice that occurred in New
South Wales when an inmate who was sentenced to thirty
years in prison for sex offenses was able to end
(41:28):
his life on Thursday under New South Wales's voluntary assisted
dying laws. He served just seven years of his thirty
year sentence for the sexual abuse of fourteen victims. His
daughter and victim, Nevea, shared her story on social media.
Speaker 14 (41:45):
I and other victims feel robbed that he did not
serve out his natural life in prison. He was given
the easy way out, the comfortable way out.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
And she joins us. Now, thank you so much, Neveya
for joining us. Can you tell us a bit about
your story and the kind of man that Daniel Hume was.
Speaker 14 (42:11):
Thank you for having me Freya, Yes, absolutely, I ken
thank you for giving us a voice. On the outside,
he was an everyday family man. Neighbors thought that he
was hilarious, funny, the kind of guy you would want
to have a drink with. But on the inside, to us,
he was a monster.
Speaker 11 (42:29):
He was he was so scary.
Speaker 14 (42:33):
I felt like I couldn't walk around the house without
being punished by him through little things.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
It's so so tragic, and from what I understand, you
and other victims endured years of abuse at his hands
and getting to that point of actually achieving a conviction
was extremely difficult. You talked in your video on social
media how you gave an victim impact statement in court.
(43:02):
Now that he's been able to essentially escape justice, escape
serving his term that he was given, how does that
make you feel.
Speaker 14 (43:12):
I'm absolutely outraged. It shouldn't have happened. I put myself
on the line. I put my deepest vulnerabilities out there
to a room full of strangers, to detectives, investigators, and
in front of my own father.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
For that to be shoved back in my face.
Speaker 14 (43:28):
There was no consideration for how this might affect the victims.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
And that's outrageous.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
It's completely unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Were you informed of the decision to allow him to
end his life at all?
Speaker 14 (43:41):
No, I didn't even know he was ill. I found
out that he had passed away on the first of September,
so four days after it had already the treatment had
already been completed.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
That is just so, so so wrong. Have you been
in contact with any other victims, How are you all feeling?
Speaker 14 (44:02):
The victims that I have been in contact with or
feel the exact same way. We want justice. We don't
feel like we were treated fairly in this, and it's
just it's such a hard thing to put into words,
the trauma that this has brought up. We went through
this for three years together, and now we have to
go through it all over again.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
It feels like.
Speaker 14 (44:24):
And not only are we victims of Daniel, but now
we're victims of whoever let this happen.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Well, Chris Mins this week said he wouldn't change the
laws around voluntary assist dying.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Here's what he said.
Speaker 16 (44:40):
Look, in relation to that decision for him to kill him,
to have voluntary assisted dying, to effectively suicide via the
new South Wales justice health system, I'm not proposing to
change the system.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
What's your message to Chris Mins?
Speaker 14 (44:59):
My message to Chris Mins would be if you can
see the outrage that this has caused, not only to
the fourteen recorded victims, but to the three million people
who have seen my video, then I don't think that
you should be the one in control of making these
decisions at all. You slipped up there and said killed himself,
(45:20):
and that's exactly what he did, and you guys allowed
it to happen. You sit here and say that there's
no regulation, and Ryan Park he said the exact same thing,
there's no regulation, it wasn't ran by me.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Well why not?
Speaker 14 (45:31):
I think that that is your responsibility to make sure
that those regulations are in place so that this doesn't happen.
A prisoner who is serving thirty years in prison should
not be eligible to end that sentence via any means
without consultation from the victims.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Totally agree, Nevaia, how can we support you?
Speaker 14 (45:51):
So I am trying to raise funds at the moment
to get a lawyer so the victims and I can
get justice. The go far me is called support Support Voices. Sorry,
it's called support Voices for Victims. But there is a
link on my Instagram and on my TikTok which is
at nev with two Eyes underscore wren wr N, which
(46:15):
I think will be linked somewhere on the website.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Well, from myself and our viewers, I can say we
are all completely outraged and just heartbroken at this tragedy
and the government needs to act now to make sure
this doesn't happen again. Navaga, absolutely, thank you so much
for joining us tonight.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Thank you so much for having me. Freya Well.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
This week's fruitcake is the new British Home Secretary, Shabana Mahmoud.
She's the first Pakistani Muslim to be put in charge
of Britain's borders and national security, but she abstained from
the vote designating Palasgine Action a terrorist organization after it
vandalized me literary aircraft. And in her first day as
(47:03):
Home Secretary they were over one thousand illegal boat arrivals.
At this rate, Nigel Farage will definitely be the next
Prime Minister of the UK. Our second free k four
you is none other than Zoran mum Danni. He asked
a kid what he would do as mayor of New
York and let's just say it's pretty ironic.
Speaker 9 (47:26):
If you were the leader of New York City for
a day, what would you change.
Speaker 10 (47:30):
I would change that people not getting to have what
they want, and if they don't have not much money,
I would change that into that they could because they
need that money.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Hmmm, free stuff. That sounds exactly like Zoran's policy of
council run grocery stores and rent freezers. And if I
was a New Yorker with the life experience of an
eight year oldrow, I'd vote for Zoran mum Danni as well. Well,
thank you so much. That's all the time I have
for you tonight.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
It's always a privilege to.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Get to spend this time with you on Sunday evenings.
I'll be back again next week at six pm, or
you can find me on The Late Debate Monday to
Thursday at ten pm. As always, if you have any feedback,
any recommendations, or any lefties you want me to debate
on this show, you can always email me at Freyer
dot Leach at skynews dot com dot au.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
That's all we have time for tonight.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Stay tuned because up next is Deneker and James
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