December 1, 2025 • 43 mins
Marty Caswell makes her official Friar Territory co-host debut! Marty and Kyle break down AJ Preller's lack of a contract extension with the Winter Meetings less than a week away, including the possibility of him being a lame duck GM in 2026 despite the Padres' proclamations they want to extend him. Plus, they discuss Mike Shildt taking a new job with the Baltimore Orioles so soon after resigning as Padres manager, and why Dylan Cease getting seven years and $210 million contract from the Toronto Blue Jays was so shocking.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome into another edition of Friar Territory. I'm Kyle Glazer.
We have a very very special show for you today.
I know I always say that, but it is especially
true as Marty Caswell makes her debut as a co
host with me here on Friar Territory. This is something
I've been talking about with Marty for quite a while.
We were able to get the deal done, and now
it is official. Marty. I am so thrilled to have.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
You, Kyle Glazer. I am happier to be here with
you than you can even imagine. Yes, you're right, You
and I have been talking about this for quite some time.
I'm glad that we're able to go ahead and put
something together. I'm glad that we get things done faster
than the Padres deal.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
So absolutely, and as that is for darn shirt. And
that leads us into Marty is going to take over
as the primary host because again, as you all know,
she has a tremendous history of hosting radio throughout San Diego.
I grew up listening to Martis, so she's been doing
this forever and is as good as it gets in
the industry. Where's my strength, of course, is more of
(01:04):
an analyst. And just like baseball, we're all about putting
people in the best position to succeed. And the best
possible show is Marty as a host, me as an analyst.
And now we are going to go ahead and get
started with that. Marty, take it away, Kyle number one.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I can't believe that you just said that you grew
up listening to.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Me just I was in high school.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I wasn't I that's even worse as a high schooler.
Oh my goodness, Well thanks for that. I appreciate you.
I'm I can't believe you never called into the show.
But no, I have admired your work for all these years.
You and I we exchanged him as time in the
press box talking about the padres.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Isn't that?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So? It's good to actually do a show together. And
I promise you for show number two, I will have
my Bubblehead collections put together that's going to rival yours.
I have Khalil Green, I have Jake Peevey, I have
a ton of stuff that I'm going to go ahead
and add to my imaginary book case that's behind me.
But you're okay, listen right now. At the risk of
Groundhog's Day, it is December first.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
On November tenth, the Pods introduced Craig Stammon. At that
time we asked aj Preller a thousand questions about his future.
You know, are you close to a deal? What's happening
with your extension? I asked Padres CEO Eric Grubner. Know
how likely this is still getting done? All the beer
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porters around who cover the Padres said a deal was imminent,
perhaps the end of the week. Kyle Glazer, it is
December first. There's been zero movement, there's been no dialogue,
there's been no rumors. What do we make of Aj
Preller not having a deal done? And, by the way,
one week away from the winter meetings.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Look, negotiations are always a process. There's so many things
that go into it. And we're still four months away
from opening day. So on the one hand, it's not
a five alarm fire yet where all the warning signs
are blaring at the same time. You're right, The messaging
from the Padres throughout this process has been we expect
Aj Preller to remain the president of Baseball Operations the
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twenty twenty sixth season. Even prior to Craig Stamond's introdructor
your press conference. That was the message pretty much as
soon as the Potters were eliminated by the Cubs two
months ago, almost two months ago. So on the one hand,
look there's plenty of time. Negotiations take time, and very
rarely does everything go smoothly in a corn schedule. At
the same time, the fact that the messaging has been
consistent all the way through and we are now less
(03:22):
than a week away from the winter meetings and there's
still no deal done at the bare minimum, it's eyebrow raising.
And look, the Potters will be best off the sooner
this has resolved in whatever direction they choose to go,
whether it's they do extend Ada Preller, whether they decide
to hold off an extension but he still is the
president Baseball Operations through twenty twenty six, or if they
decide to go in a different direction. Whatever the resolution is,
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they should come to it sooner rather than later. For
the best you know, that would be what is best
for the franchise.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
How about even for a free agency and I know that,
you know, I asked, I asked agent this at the
press or like how much of the conversation about your
future with the podres was an issue when when you
hired Craig Stament. I mean that was his Spells special assistant,
right he They worked very very closely together. If you
talked about at Poop Pole from Nick Hunley, I'd imagine
every single candidate as manager was saying, listen, dude, I'm
(04:11):
starting up for three years. Are you're going to be
the guy? Ers? Are you gonna be? Is it going
to be somebody else? If you're dealing with free agents
and agents, I mean, how is it not about about
knowing now this is who the guy is going to be.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
There's no question that has some effect. It depends on
where the player is in their career. And I talked
about this with Heath Bell and Mike Cameron a little bit.
If the players the point in his career where he's
just looking for the place where he can perform best
or he's going to make the amount of money he's
looking for, who's in charge is not really going to
play as big of a role in his decision making process.
But if it's says someone who is nearing the end
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of his career as trying to win a ring and
knows they've only got you know, three or four years left,
going somewhere where there's a very very real possibility of
a major change at the top of the baseball operations pyramid.
On top of ownership uncertainty. That does have an effect.
So again it's going to depend on the player, their personality,
where they are in their career. But there's no question
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when you are a team that is trying to get
everything in alignment to make a run to the World Series,
as the Poppers have stated, is their goal. Having uncertainty
and ownership and having uncertainty at the top of baseball
operations it's not a great place to be. You know.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I had wondered there had been some conversation as to
whether or not, you know, AJ probably was in sync
with the CEO, which is which is Eric Grupner right,
the division of baseball ops versus the business side. But
I think there's there's so much more to this because
if the team is going to be sold and these
this process. If you think announcing AJ probably takes a
long time to get his deal done, the ownership transfer,
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ownership change is sale the approval that takes even even longer.
But if you are a potential new owner, I mean,
do you usually you want your own guy, right? Doesn't
that complicate it?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Generally speaking? That is what happens. Now. There are exceptions.
You think about David Rubinstein with the Orioles came in
to retain Michael Liyas. We can debate whether or not
that was the right move, but that is what he did.
So again, there's all sorts of dynamics at play, but
one thing that I think needs to be addressed here
and is important context for all this. Okay, Peter Sidler
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was aj Preller's biggest champion, through and through and through.
And let's be clear if you go back to twenty nineteen,
at the end of that season, at that point, the
Potters that had five consecutive losing seasons, AJ Preller's hand
picked manager, Andy Green was fired because the team punted
on him. And that's direct quote from someone in their
front office. Every I mean, normally, if you have five
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straight losing seasons, your hand picked manager gets fired for
losing the clubhouse and you have a documented strike against
you as suspension for violating rules regarding the exchange of
medical information. Twenty nine other owners would have fired their
GM at that point, but Peter's side. There was always
aj Preler's biggest champion. And look since then, the Potters
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have four playoff appearances in six years. They have back
to back ninety one seasons. But at the same time,
as much tragic as it is, you know, with Peter
Siler not being there anymore, the same level of unconditional support.
It changes when you have new people. There's new dynamics
and I'm going to be curious to see what ends
up happening here because a lot of this too comes
down to not only do the should the Potters given extension,
(07:20):
which is question one? Question two is how long? If
it's you know, another one year extension with an option, okay,
maybe that makes sense. If it's a five year extension
that makes someone of the highest paid executives in baseball,
that doesn't make sense. So there's so many dynamics at
play here, and I think it's important that a it
gets they all get resolved quickly because the longer this
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drags on, yes, the more it will effect just their
overall baseball planning for agent signings, staffing. It has so
many ripple effects when you don't know what's going to happen.
If you go into the year with a lame duck GM.
They need to get this resolved sooner rather than.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Later, Kyle Peter Peter Siler said, I mean we had
these I feel like we had annual conversation with Peter
about the job that AJ Preller has done. And he said,
and when you talk about Andy Green, andy Green was hired,
he was not hired to win. I mean, this is
a guy who inherited as a first dream manager, four
wool five guys on his roster. I mean he had
he had no chance. He was the bridge to when
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they were going to start spending and investing. He was
the bridge from the blue Podrays to the brown and
Gold Pods, Brown and Yellow padres right, And Peter would
say that he started to judge AJ Preller from the
Jase Tinler hiring. So based on that, and they dig
of the postseason right in the first in that first season,
how would you judge the job A. J. Preller has
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done since the Jace Tingler era.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
And again this is the tricky conversation, and again I
would love to hear your opinion as well. Right, AJ Preller,
as I've talked about, ad nauseum on the show, is
one of the most divisive figures in the industry. When
I say the industry, I'm talking other executives, I'm talking agents,
I'm talking coaches, I'm talking players. The pro side is,
like I said, Potters have had four playoff appearances in
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the last six seasons and back to back ninety one seasons,
two things that have never happened in this franchise's history.
The teams he is ultimately responsible for building have packed
the house for five straight years and made Pecko Park
an incredible, incredible home field advantage among the best in baseball.
And he has he and his staff, I should say,
have brought in a tremendous amount of young talent through
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the draft and internationally. That is what has been what
has allowed the Padres to make these blockbuster trades. So
all that's the pro side. On the conside, eleven years,
zero Division titles, zero nationally pennance, zero World Series titles.
The track record of the nine figure salaries and even
some of the upper eight figure sides has been disastrous.
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James Shields to Will Myers to Xander Bogart's, I mean
they've it's been a disastrous overall record to the tune
of hundreds of millions of dollars lost and we are
now on the Padres sixth manager in twelve seasons, and
this is a j. Preller's fifth higher. No other president
of baseball gets five manager higher. So again there's pros
and cons, and depending who you talk to, they'll say
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one outweighs the other, because where do you stand on it?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I'm kind of right in the middle. I mean, the
early years were interesting. And also when you talk about
the spending too, and this is a conversation that could
be had later on when when you write the book
on the on the Padres and the aj Pler era. No,
but I do like you talked about some of the
bad signings. I do wonder how much of those signings
were about aj Preler making those moves and how much
was because Peter Seidler stepped in and said, you know what,
I'm going to give Manny that extra money, when maybe,
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maybe if you're a Jent Peller, that he was willing
to let Manny go ahead and enter free agency and
perhaps invest in Juan Soto or different players. You know,
how much about Xander Bogart's was about was about Peter
Seidler or was that a J Peler. So there's a
lot he's made some mistakes. He's made a lot about
some mistakes. But also as someone who has been in
San Diego my entire life, this is someone who is
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the architect of literally the most exciting Padres teams we've
ever had. Right, I know so many times you talkalking
about listening to me and the radio, where you were
in high school when we're talking about all right, you
know whose jersey do you buy? There was no one.
They had no stars, there was no reason to go
to games, They had no hope, they had no chance.
When you go to spring training, he was already over.
(11:13):
You knew that it was just about do you love baseball?
That's that's why you go. But now it's different. There's
there's star power, there's expectations. And I think that to
means what what's changed what he has done with this
fan basis, he is forever changed the expectation of what
of what fans expect?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
No question?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
And I don't know you can ask more. I mean,
you want to win, but not everyone can win, right.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
And I think moving forward now, look at Okay, is
there a case where a GM or president Baseball Operations
has gone into the year as a lame duck and
had success. Generally speaking, the answers know you look at
you know Mike Rizzo when in last year is a
lame duck. He had an option, but for all intents
and purposes a lame duck.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
He got fired during the season.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
There's one exception that is interesting though. Okay, Ed Hoyer
of course former Potter's GM. He went into last year
with the Cubs as a lame duck. He had been
their present baseball operations for four seasons after theo Epstein
stepped down. They were rebuilding, but things looked like they
had stalled out back to back eighty three win seasons.
It wasn't certain whether or not he was going to
remain in the job after last year. The Cubs end
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up having a good year and he gets an extension
around the trade deadline. So there is precedent for a
team waiting to give their present baseball operations an extension
in their final year during the season. Again, it is rare,
it does happen. That would be the case where Okay,
they waited and it worked out. But again, typically when
you see lame duck gms, it's because, hey, the team
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hasn't performed well back to back losing seasons, or they're
stalling out. I could not find another example of a
team coming off back to back ninety win seasons and
back to back playoff appearances going into there with a
lame duck GM. Generally speaking, those guys get extended and
extended earlier on.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
We're surprised you if you get a deal that would
run him with Gosh, with Craig Stammon, with his sixth manager.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And that again is where this is a really interesting dynamic,
because generally speaking, you want your present based operations or
GM to be tied with your manager. But again, if
you're the Pondrais and we look at it and say, okay,
what makes sense for us to do. Is it to
give a j preller again a long term deal? Like
anything else in life, it depends on the price, And
(13:20):
I personally believe the answer is no. I think if
you want to do a two year extension with an
option for a third, I can see that if we're
talking again, you know, five year extension where he wants
to be one of the highest paid executives in baseball.
You know, not all executive salaries are public, but you
know David Stearns last year ten million a year. That's
the highest known annual salary. Again, that's not something you do.
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So again it's true, I would have.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Hard time saying that I would have an Actually, I
think that's a long term extension is impossible, especially with
the uncertainty of the ownership. If Peter Side we're here,
that could happen. Shoot, he might, he might own how
the franchise, But that what we know about. Considering we
don't know about the future of this team and that
they're going to be sold. That I believe they're going
to be sold, especially when you consider the statement from
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Brob Manfred that kind of tells you, listen, this is
where it's heading. I would be shocked if you were
to make him one of the highest paid GM Baseball
Ops guys five year deal when there's new new ownership
coming in.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
For the record, I completely agree. I've just learned, especially
with this franchise, sometimes to expect the unexpected. So but
I agree again, I think realistically the max you go
is a year two year extension with a one year option.
Where where do you stand? What would you say is
the right length?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I think two years with the option. I'm just wondering,
do you think this hang up is more on John
Seidler and Eric Kupner, or do you think this is
more an ancient probably began You know what, man, I'm
not best friends with the base, with the business side.
I'm going to have options. I don't. I don't maybe
I don't want to be here for the uncertainty, and
maybe I don't want to make I mean, do you
think that maybe do you think also that he perhaps
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had a possibility in Colorado before they went Paul Deepodesta
and this is a guy that knows how to go
ahead and take a train wreck franchise with zero stars
and bad contracts and turn them into an exciting product.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Based on the reporting that I've done just talking to people, know,
Colorado is not an option. The Rockies are very much
an organization that was not going to allow their incoming
GM to have full reign to clean house. And that
was a big reason why Matt Forman and Amel Saudier
bowed out, because Dick Monfort said, hey, you can run
baseball outs, but we're keeping this person, this person, this person,
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this person. Most gms are going to say, no, I
need full control and we know AJ Peler in particular
would not an operator like that. So no, that was
not an option. Look in terms of who's at fault here, again,
there are a lot of different perspectives of things. Again,
negotiations take time. What I will say is this right
from the Potters perspective, it does not make sense to
give him a long term deal to make him the
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highest paid GM in baseball or one of them. From
AJ Preler's perspective, if you're a J Preler, you say,
look look at what I've done. Look at look at
the four postseason appearances in six years, look at the
stadium being packed. I deserve to be paid like that.
So again, finding out the compromise, the middle ground is
always the tricky part in these negotiations. We'll see what happens.
And again, whether the resolution is he does get an extension,
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or he doesn't get one and he's a lame duck
throughout this year and maybe they revisited during the year,
or if they decide, hey, we couldn't reach an agreement,
We're going to part ways. Whatever it is, the sooner
they come to that resolution, the better for the Podcers.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I completely agree. Again, the Craig Stanmon press conference. The
intro pressor was November tenth. Three days later came the
email from the padre saying that John Siler wasn't exploring
a sale, and I just think if your padres found
you're like, man, what's going on there? It seemed to
be the understanding that a deal was imminent, you know,
end of the week, and it's been complete silence from
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the organization. We're heading into the Winter readings in one
week and unless something comes into my email inboxing this
next week, Kyle Glazer, buckle up, we're having the same
conversation in a week now.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
And it'll be well well, well deserved again if we
get through the winter meetings and there's still no deal.
Again I mentioned it's not a five alarm fire yet
blaring warning sign, But if after the winter meetings there's
still no deal, I'd say the warning level definitely goes
up at least, you know, one step.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Okay, Okay, we'll see, we'll see what happens. We'll see
what happens.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
All right, all right, So Marty go ahead. I was
gonna say, ay, sounds good, and let's take a quick
break and we'll be right back to discuss Mike Schultz's
new job and Dylan ceases seven year, two d and
ten million dollar contract with the Toronto Blue Jays. We'll
be right back.
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Speaker 1 (18:43):
All right, welcome back to Friar Territory. Coglazer alongside Marty Caswell. Marty,
we talked before the break about AJ Preller his lack
of extension. Now it's time to talk about two ex
Potters personnel, Mike Scheldt and Dylan Ceese. As we discussed
before the break, Mike schill new job with the Baltimore
Orils as an upper level coordinator. Hmm, I'll go with
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my reaction. Second, what were your thoughts when you heard
the news?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well, that was quick and I think it says I
think it says a lot about how he exited the Padres, right.
I know he said that he retired. Initially he was done,
he needed he needed a break from baseball. It was
wearing on him. And then we heard some reports coming
in about the relationship that he had with his coaching staff, right,
and with with AJ Peller. So it's not too surprising.
(19:30):
I think the bigger question again was whether he was
encouraged to leave where they were going to fire him.
You know, I would love to know the full circumstances
of his departure. It's very, very unusual that a man
who loved managing baseball, who loved managing this team, who
by the way, was close with the players on this team,
who was who was, who was well liked at least
by the players, maybe not the coaching staff, But he
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walked away from two years, four million dollars. These jobs
are hard to come by. I would be shocked if
Mike Schultz ever manages again in the big leagues, considering
considering the noise that followed him following Saint Louis and
now the Padres. One thing we do know about Mike
Schult great manager, I mean, at least when it comes
to the base making decisions right, and getting to know
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the players and getting players to believe in him and
buy into him. That man, something was happening behind the scenes,
And just the fact that he is now back in
baseball after one of the shortest retirements I can remember
tells me a lot about what was happening inside inside
the Padres.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
It's certainly an interesting dynamic. I will say. One of
the things he did say on his way out was
that if he returned to baseball, it would be in
a role like this a player development role where he's
working with players on just you know, improving their games,
as opposed to him manager type of role. And you
have to understand this is where Mike Schilt made his name,
cut his teeth in the game. It was coming up
in player development through the Cardinals system, and that's where
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he was most renowned. Again, say what you want about
decisions on X day or why day. On the whole,
like you said, he was a very very good baseball
mind and a very very good decision maker and did
a good job establishing relationships with the players. But more
than that, he said a culture of we're going to
play clean, aggressive, smart baseball. And it's a little thing,
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but it's a big thing that makes a world of difference.
It's the old Cardinal way he brought to San Diego.
And look, this Potter's team for years did not always
play clean baseball. It makes a huge difference that they did.
You know, when he stepped away, my first thought was
this is exactly the kind of role that he would
come back in. I actually thought it'd be with the
other Beltway team. I thought it was going to be
with the Nationals because I looked at what is a
young team that plays just absolutely atrocious, embarrassing, horrendous quality baseball. Yeah,
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that to me is the type of team Mike Shildt
was gonna be perfect for where Hey, come in, We're
going to clean it up, we are going to pay
attention to the details. We are going to be fundamentally sound.
We're not going to make the kind of dumb mental
mistakes that cost teams outs and ultimately games. He's now
going to do that with a different young team in Baltimore.
And look, I do think the Oriels will be better
for it, having Mike Shilt working with their young big legers,
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work with their prospects and double A, triple A. He
will make them better. But there's no question that. Again,
it happening so soon after the departure says a lot.
Yeah again, eyebrow raising is certainly a fair assessment, Jeff.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
There's definitely something more going on behind the scene. I'm
not sure if this is something that you put on
a j peler or whatnot. And I think the thing
that kind of got me a little bit Kyle, and
people always say, oh, sure it comes out now, but
I think there was some of this dialogue happening when
he left when he was fired by the Cardinals after
winning You don't again, to your point on AJ Peler
about you don't fire guys after back to backships for
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the postseason, Well, it didn't stop the Cardinals from moving
on from Mike Shilt, So I kind of wondered, like,
why wasn't there more a follow up reporting there? But
I think now we're getting an idea, and I think
Shilt was just done with it. I mean, it's important
to have a cohesive relationship with your GM, it's important
to have it with your coaching staff, and there's a
lot of stuff happening behind the scenes, So it's not
too surprising it went this way. Maybe we'll find out
(22:58):
more maybe when maybe the Winter meetings next week. But
I am not too surprised about how this thing ended.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Just so.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I'm just surprised he got back into it so quickly.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I'll say this in terms of his tenure at the Cardinals, right,
And this all happened while I was in National Mark
Baseball America, Okay it was. It was a fairly open
secret within the industry that the way he treated his
coaches in Saint Louis led to a lot of conflict
and led to a lot of problems, and there were
a lot of people in the organization who were very
very vocal about, you know, we can't have this. And
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you're right, it's a very rare frame manager to post
three straight winning seasons and take a team to the
playoffs three years in a row to get fired. But
the situation in Saint Louis had become untenable. Now why
it wasn't reporting more publicly Again, I can't speak to
sources of you know, folks whose job it was to
report that at the time. Again, but within the industry
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it was fairly well known. And I will say this,
some of what happened in San Diego and what did
eventually come out, you know, again great reporting by Kevin
Acy and deviziling everyone involved. It was not as bad
as it was in Saint Louis. At the same time,
it's kind of a low bar to clear. So I
think ultimately this is the kind of role that I
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think he will thrive in the most where he's just
working directly with players and maybe doesn't have to deal
with all the other aspects of managing the call with it,
whether it's dealing with the media, having to manage a
staff of X number of coaches. He can focus on
what he is best at and what he loves the most,
and ultimately that will be what puts him the best
position for long term success and the team that hired
him in the Oriels. So you know, in terms of
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him being pushed out or not here. Look, I have
checked him with this so many times and it's consistent. No,
he left on his own accord. I people who do
not bs me and you know, tell me the truth.
I said, No, he made his decision, all the factors
that go into that decision. Again, we know what he
has said. Publicly speculating on other factors, I don't feel
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comfortable doing that, but we have of what we know
are the known facts the situation.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Okay, look he left.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I'm surprised he got back in, but I'm not surprised
he got back in in this kind of role with
this kind of team, a young team that's again trying
to polish things up and get to that next level.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
The part the question I meant to ask both Preller
and Grupner at the Stamond presser was did you guys
try to stop him? Did anybody try to stop him.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, no, And again it's an interesting dynamic, right if
someone is in a job and they have mentally made
the decision, hey, I'm done. Can you pull them back?
Is it worth pulling them back or is it worth respecting?
And this is something that happens in all workplaces, all
industries across the country. And again, you know, without being
in the room to know exactly what the conversation was
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like and how it went between Mike Shilton, A J
Preller and everyone else involved, it's hard to know whether
or not it made sense to even ask that question.
Every situation is different. It's just hard to know. But
you're right, I would have been curious to know from
their perspective if they did make that attempt.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Okay, I know we're going to get to the Dylan
Ce contract, Shirley, but before I do, and I know
you have I know you've discussed this with both Mike
Cameron and he Fell. Did you like the Craig stamon hire.
Given the four first time candidates who that we know
of that were the finalist, Ruby Diebla who is so
well respected who I think is going to be a
future manager. Nick Hunley, who was awesome as a player
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who was Buster Posey's first choice, but he didn't want
that job in you know, to with relocation. Let's see
upper pooh hoole. Since Stanman was this the best? What
do you do you like it?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I will start by saying, look, I think Craig Stammon
has a lot of qualities that you look for. And
someone who hires a manager right, yes, great baseball mind,
natural leader, you know, tremendous relationship builder, all those things matter.
What I've talked about with Mike and Heath Bell throughout
is for a team that is saying their goal and
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again they have stated this repeatedly, again and again and
again and again that their goal is to compete for
a World Series in twenty twenty six. Hiring a first
time manager. And when I say first ti manager, I'm
talking to some who has never coached at any level
of professional baseball or managed at any level of professional baseball.
Like talk about Craig albernanz Albernaz with the Oils. That's different.
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He was a minor league manager for years, he was
a coach for years. That hires a first time manager
is different than this kind of higher hiring someone with
no coaching experience and no managerial experience at the professional level.
Any professional level runs counter to we're trying to win
in twenty twenty six because there's going to be a
learning curve, there are going to be mistakes made, there's
going to be a growth process that ultimately takes years
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to kind of figure everything out and slow the game down.
So for me, whether I actually Albert Pools would have
been a terrible higher just having covered in Anaheim, I
think that would not have been a good higher. Big
personalities in that clubhouse, guys who tend to brew when
things don't go well. Albert Pools is one of them.
I think that would have actually been a disastrous higher.
You know, to me, if you want to win a
World Series, and I talked about this with Mike and
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Hay in the wildcard era, since nineteen ninety five, every
team that has won a World Series, their manager either
had previous managial experience or two seasons two full seasons
of coaching experience in the big leagues. And that's not
a coincidence. There are just nuances you pick up. So
I think at the end of the day, the fact
that Potters were interviews from the first time managers A
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told me a little thing about their finances because more
experience managers are going to cost more. And be you
going with this again again? I think Craig Stammon has
a lot of great qualities hiring someone with no previous
manageral coach experience, no matter who it is, and say
you want to win a World Series this year. That
doesn't line up? Where are you?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I think of the I would agree with you with
the of the I mean, I agree in the pool
thing that didn't make any sense to me. It's there
aren't many superstar Hall of Fame players, and I mean
when he was the best player of our generation, he was.
He was the best player by far. He was awesome,
and he managed to like get WB Dominican team. But
I just know the Craig Stanmon thing. The one advantage
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she does have, other than the relationship with a you
probably is he knows the organization inside out and he's
tight with the players. And it's not just about being
friends with Manny Machado or Tatis. But I do know
that he was about as respected a player who's ever
walked in through the clubhouse, and that's going to matter.
I think that he can put his ego aside. The
thing that the great thing that I don't know and
may perhaps you do, is his bench coach, Randy Norr.
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This is a guy who has been a bench He's
an experienced bench coach with the Nationals. He's done everything
in baseball. So hopefully he has people that he can
trust and that you have most of your staff for
I think of your baseball staffs are turning. So that's
goods some continuity there, But I mean other than that,
what do we don't know? I don't know, And I
agree with you that there are so many questions. When
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it shocked the living hell out of me when they
announced what where did this come from? Where did this
come from? So don't I don't know? It just up
in the air. It's growing to me a little bit.
But man, I agree with you. When you're trying to
win a World Series and then you're hiring a first
time manager, I have more questions than anything else. I
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really do.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And again, we have seen some of this in the industry,
but it's rare for a team that is ready to
compete right now. Right the Angels hiring kurts Szuzuki. Look,
the Angels have the longest one year deal, one year deal,
one year deal, yes, one year deal for Kurtzuzuki, which
again that organization, Look, they're a mess. They have the
longest playoff or out of any organization baseball, the longest
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streak of losing seasons of any organization baseball. Not the Pirates,
not the Marlins, the Angels. Wow. And there are just
so many issues there. So again, a team that has
no chance to win is many years away from winning. Okay,
you said, you know the Nationals. Blake Budera had a
few years managing the miners with the Rays. But again
that's a team that is three four years away from
when they're trying to build up. You know, the Giant
(30:54):
with Tony Vitello. Again, they have not been a proud
team since twenty twenty one. Yes, they're trying to win,
but they haven't had that success. They're not an easy
team you look at and say, oh, they're ready to
win right now, just because they haven't for four years.
A team that is trying to win right now. That's
what makes the Craig stamon Hire so different. And again
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I go back to the Oriels Hire of Craig Alvernaz right,
having a half decade of experience managing the miners a
bunch of years of coaching experience with the majors. That's different.
That is a very different kind of first time manager.
But you're right hiring Randy Norrin, experience bench coach who's
worked with legends like Davey Johnson as well as first
year managers like Matt Williams back when he was in DC.
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You have Reuben Diebler, one of the game's best pitching coaches.
You have Ben Fritz, one of the game's best bullpen
coaches that will help the stam and higher. And then
going with a first time hitting coach and steven SUSA
who has also never coached at any professional level. That
to me is going to be an interesting dynamic having
a brand new manager and a brand new hitting coach,
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which are the two areas that potters kind of have
the most questions, and you're going from veterans in both
roles to first timers. Again, respecting someone as a player
is very different than respecting someone as an authority figure.
As you're managering your coach, and we just have to
wait and see what happens. I know everyone wants an
answer right now, like, oh, this is how it's going
to go. It's not how life works. We have to
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wait and see. I think it was Heath Bell had
mentioned three months. Give them three months. Whatever mistakes they
make in those first three months, let it go. It's
a learning process. But after three months that's when you
should start to judge. And that's fine, except if you're
trying to win right now. You can't really be in
learning mode for the until almost the All Star break.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
So, hey, Kyle Glazer's stock right there? Did you say
give it three months? Have you met this fan base
we're judging, we're all hating that we're judging Game one
spring training.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yes, no, and again, right, this is a this is
a fan base that is hungry to win, and we
talk about this is expectations get raised the first time
you make the playoffs. To end the playoff drout, awesome,
we love it. But if you keep just kind of
getting to the wild Card Division Series round and you
keep coming up short, it doesn't cut it anymore. You're right,
there's a lot of impatience right now in the stand basin. Yeah,
(33:09):
I it will be important to be patient. But the
fact that the potter is made a hire that will
require patience. That's again where the questions come up.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Patience when you have this payroll does not equal.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Again, yes, there are a lot of misalignments there. But again, right,
maybe Craig Stanmon comes in and he takes the reins
from day one and it clicks. Then we're all going
to look very stupid for having these conversations. And the
Potter's front also to be like, hey, I told you
they could be right, Like, we have to acknowledge that possibility.
It's just a very big risk they talk.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and make Podrey's fans feel
better about this hire before we move on to Dylan
Ceas and his contract. Okay, let's see you wait on
the last three managers A J. Peler has hired has
taken him in the playoffs, Tingler, Bob Melvin, and Mike Schultz.
So maybe he can get lucky again with Faith Staman
(34:09):
and the nucleus they do have in this clubhouse.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Again, we will see. I would say no, but I
would say that that is going to be much more
of a factor of how they fill out this roster,
because again, a manager can only work with the players
he's given and as we've talked about, this is a
team with some very very talented core players you can
get excited about, and a lot of holes, including in
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the starting rotation, one of whom Dylan Sees their start
one of their top stars from last year, although that's
a shallow praise given some of the way, you know,
some of how things kind of played out with Michael
King getting hurt really as Nick Podetta and then Dylan
Sees was their second most productive starter in that at
that year. Now he's in Toronto again. We knew we
were gonna have to replace him from the Potters perspective,
(34:55):
but it's an interesting signing. What was your reaction to
set Holy.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Smokes number one? There's no Padre fan that thought that.
Excuse me, there was no Padre fan that thought, I
can't say that thought they There was no Padres fan
that was confident that the Padres had any chance of
retaining him. They wanted him trading before the deadline. He's
a gonner, get what you can for Dylan se'es. They
ended up neel really needing you know him and his
(35:24):
innings in the playoffs, although didn't really go too far,
but Wow, Holy smokes. I think every person that I
talked to last year about Dylan Sees, including you, thought
that Dylan Sees costs himself maybe one hundred million dollars
in free agency givenness struggles. This one shocked me that
number one, that it went so quickly and that it
was that much money by the toront of Blue Jays.
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But maybe when you're the runner up and you were
a strike away from running out away from winning the
world series, Hey, it's a worthy investment.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
No question, the Podters resign Dylan Seas even for half
of that amount. One hundred million dollars wouldn't not have
been right for the Potters given their pails. Let's be clear,
he was going to be gone no matter what. It
was just a matter of what the dollar amunt was
going to be. And you're right, I talked a lot
about he cast himself a lot of money. But the
caveat I added that was but there's probably going to
be some team who's going to look at the strikeout
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rate and say we can fix him while ignoring everything else.
And it's been really interesting to me. So, first of all, yes,
two hundred ten million dollars, My job dropped by the way,
as did a lot of people in the industry. They
thought one fifty one sixty, which to me even would
have raised some questions. But seven years, two ten, after
a year in which Dylan Cees his ERA was up
round five, Let's just let me back up. Dylan Ceese
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did not have a good season last year. And he
would be the first person to tell you that what
I've always appreached about Dylan Cees is his honesty and
his candor. His ERA was up round five for most
of the year. He had a few good starts at
the end that kind of lowered it a little bit.
He gave up the most home runs in a season
he has in his entire career. And yes, the strikeout
rate was very, very very good. Strikeouts Prinin was best
(36:57):
in baseball, but his walk rate was also concerningly high,
and we saw throughout the season his fastball command was terrible.
He talked twenty to eighty scout and scale. There were
plenty of games it was a twenty and so on
the one hands, I'm seeing people write about this talk
about saying, oh, you know, makes the starts and the strikeouts,
and those are important. But when you give up as
much hard contact as he did, and your era was
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as high as it was playing your home games in
Petco Park with the defense that was third and defensive
and efficiency playing behind you. When your ra outside of
Petco Park was over seven at one point it was,
it ended up well over five. I mean, it's a big, big,
big risk. The Blue Jays are betting that they can
fix him, and that's fix his fastball command, change up
(37:39):
his pitch micks. He needs to throw that knuckle curve more,
way too much fastball slider only made in predictable, especially
when hitters could just spit on the fastball. That's why
he struggled get through the second time through the order
because he was a one pitch pitcher at times. Again,
it's a big risk to take, and I maybe the
blue Jays are right. They've had a lot of success
with veterans starters before and helping them be successful. But
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two hundred ten million, thirty million year, that's a big
big bet to make.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Who is the bigger who other than Dylan Cees and
Scott Boris, who is the biggest winner out of all
of this? And why is it? Michael King?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Well, what is it?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
What does it do for the rest of the pictures. Yeah,
I'm out there in free agency.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
It makes Michael camer I actually think it makes Framber
Valdez a big winner because he can now go from
thinking one he says, hey, Dylan Cees got too ten.
Frember Valdez has objectively been the better, more consistent pitcher
for four years now. Again, Dylan Cees has been great year,
bad yer, great year, badyer. Framer Valdez has consistently been fantastic.
He's left handed now, I was two years older. But
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it's now very easy for Frember Valdez to say and
even with the whole cross up thing, which lets be clear,
was intentional, like I'm sorry, there's no question about that
that he absolutely crossed. Yeah, he's still he could say, hey,
if he gets thirty million year, there's no reason I
should be getting thirty two to thirty three. And it
might be shorter term just because he's older, but yeah,
he's gonna you know, Framer Valdez is going to make
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out like a King now, Ranger Swaz is going to
do well. Michael King as well. Again, it was always
a fantasy. I felt some Potters fans had that always
gonna take a one year Pillo contract. No, three years
for seventy five mil was like the floor here. Luis
Savarino's three years seventy one mill was like the worst
possible outcome for him. You know, Nate Uvalde Sunny Gray
three seventy five. It would not shock me if his
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medical comes back he gets five for one forty, maybe six,
one fifty one sixty. I mean, look, starting pictures get
paid even when they're not healthy, and as we've seen
Dylan Cees, even when they don't have good years. If
you have strikeout stuff and you're at the right age
and you have at least one year of success to
point two boom nine, nine figure deal, no questions asked.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Potentially gets a lot of gets pictures paid, and people fired.
So we're gonna see what's happened will happen there, Kyle,
I'm gonna save my questions to you on the idea.
I know you've had this before with Michael, with Heath
and Mike, the idea of morehone and Miller into starters.
I will save that for a different day, at different conversation.
It's a longer conversation, but outside there through me, give
me three names out there that are possible candidates to
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replace some Dylan C's innings, not on the Padres, not
on the Padres roster. Can they find another Nick Paveta
sort of deal out there? Who's the guy that would
make some sense?
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah, Zach Lttel with the Reds, you know, very quietly
through one hundred d eight innings plus last year. And
because he's not a big strikeout gay guy, not a
big stuff guy, he's going to come cheaper than a
lot of other options. Again, he's more about, you know,
pinpoint control. He doesn't walk hitters, He works quickly, works efficiently.
But if you're the Padres, you need one hundred eighty
innings more than you need explosive stuff, but shorter routing.
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So that would be a guy. Again, there's some other
guys out there who are coming off injury that have
shown they can, you know, log some innings in the past.
The Zach Eflin's of the world about he's he's had
an injury history. Adrian Hawser gave you decent innings last year.
So again there are options, but realistically, yeah, zachly tell's
the guy you look at. Who are the one hundred
d eighty inning type of guys who aren't going to cost
a lot of money. He's kind of the only one.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Okay, Before we wrap up today, Kyle, I'm going to
check my email right now and just make sure the
Padres have not extended agent. See no, no email from
the Padres. So I think we can pick this up
again when we when we uh, when we when we
meet up later this week, Yeah, a j pler extension
and then we'll do it next week.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
It's certainly going to be a topic that will be
on everyone's mind. And look, it will help dictate the
Padres course this off season. You know. Again, it all
ties together aj po's contract status. It's going to impact
their strategy for free agency, who they're able to attract. It,
it all plays together here. This isn't just something in
a vacuum about aj Preller. It's about putting the organization
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in the best position to win and having some certainty
at the top. Whatever that certainty is, whatever direction it is,
is better than uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
A lot of nervous fans, it's been, it's been, it's
been so it's been awesome, you know, covering this team.
I know, it's so much fun to be a fan
of this team because of the home and the expectations.
This is a little bit different, and I feel like
Padres fans are a little bit nervous because they don't
know what's happening. We don't know what's happening. We don't
know what's happening with the ownership and with Aj Peller,
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which also affects directly who they can bring in. So
we'll see, Kyle. It's going to be another interesting off season,
hopefully a bit more action than last year when they're
signing was Nick Pavetta was Gavin Sheets by the way,
two pivotal players for the Padres. So we'll see what
this off season brings. It's just beginning. It's December first.
We are getting started right now, right now.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Absolutely well, Marty, thank you so so much for joining
me today. This was a great debut show. We're so
excited to have you.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Thank you listeners.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
We will be back on Thursday with a lot more Marty.
I'm looking forward to the year ahead with you.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Kyle Glazer. Likewise, you're the best. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
All right, everyone that'll do it for this edition of
Friar Territory. Go ahead and gives a review Apple, Spotify, YouTube,
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from you. For Marty Caswell, I'm Kyle Glazer. Thank you
for watching and listening. Once again, we'll be back on
Thursday four
Welcome into another edition of Friar Territory. I'm Kyle Glazer.
We have a very very special show for you today.
I know I always say that, but it is especially
true as Marty Caswell makes her debut as a co
host with me here on Friar Territory. This is something
I've been talking about with Marty for quite a while.
We were able to get the deal done, and now
it is official. Marty. I am so thrilled to have.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
You, Kyle Glazer. I am happier to be here with
you than you can even imagine. Yes, you're right, You
and I have been talking about this for quite some time.
I'm glad that we're able to go ahead and put
something together. I'm glad that we get things done faster
than the Padres deal.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
So absolutely, and as that is for darn shirt. And
that leads us into Marty is going to take over
as the primary host because again, as you all know,
she has a tremendous history of hosting radio throughout San Diego.
I grew up listening to Martis, so she's been doing
this forever and is as good as it gets in
the industry. Where's my strength, of course, is more of
(01:04):
an analyst. And just like baseball, we're all about putting
people in the best position to succeed. And the best
possible show is Marty as a host, me as an analyst.
And now we are going to go ahead and get
started with that. Marty, take it away, Kyle number one.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I can't believe that you just said that you grew
up listening to.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Me just I was in high school.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I wasn't I that's even worse as a high schooler.
Oh my goodness, Well thanks for that. I appreciate you.
I'm I can't believe you never called into the show.
But no, I have admired your work for all these years.
You and I we exchanged him as time in the
press box talking about the padres.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Isn't that?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So? It's good to actually do a show together. And
I promise you for show number two, I will have
my Bubblehead collections put together that's going to rival yours.
I have Khalil Green, I have Jake Peevey, I have
a ton of stuff that I'm going to go ahead
and add to my imaginary book case that's behind me.
But you're okay, listen right now. At the risk of
Groundhog's Day, it is December first.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
On November tenth, the Pods introduced Craig Stammon. At that
time we asked aj Preller a thousand questions about his future.
You know, are you close to a deal? What's happening
with your extension? I asked Padres CEO Eric Grubner. Know
how likely this is still getting done? All the beer
(02:18):
porters around who cover the Padres said a deal was imminent,
perhaps the end of the week. Kyle Glazer, it is
December first. There's been zero movement, there's been no dialogue,
there's been no rumors. What do we make of Aj
Preller not having a deal done? And, by the way,
one week away from the winter meetings.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Look, negotiations are always a process. There's so many things
that go into it. And we're still four months away
from opening day. So on the one hand, it's not
a five alarm fire yet where all the warning signs
are blaring at the same time. You're right, The messaging
from the Padres throughout this process has been we expect
Aj Preller to remain the president of Baseball Operations the
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twenty twenty sixth season. Even prior to Craig Stamond's introdructor
your press conference. That was the message pretty much as
soon as the Potters were eliminated by the Cubs two
months ago, almost two months ago. So on the one hand,
look there's plenty of time. Negotiations take time, and very
rarely does everything go smoothly in a corn schedule. At
the same time, the fact that the messaging has been
consistent all the way through and we are now less
(03:22):
than a week away from the winter meetings and there's
still no deal done at the bare minimum, it's eyebrow raising.
And look, the Potters will be best off the sooner
this has resolved in whatever direction they choose to go,
whether it's they do extend Ada Preller, whether they decide
to hold off an extension but he still is the
president Baseball Operations through twenty twenty six, or if they
decide to go in a different direction. Whatever the resolution is,
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they should come to it sooner rather than later. For
the best you know, that would be what is best
for the franchise.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
How about even for a free agency and I know that,
you know, I asked, I asked agent this at the
press or like how much of the conversation about your
future with the podres was an issue when when you
hired Craig Stament. I mean that was his Spells special assistant,
right he They worked very very closely together. If you
talked about at Poop Pole from Nick Hunley, I'd imagine
every single candidate as manager was saying, listen, dude, I'm
(04:11):
starting up for three years. Are you're going to be
the guy? Ers? Are you gonna be? Is it going
to be somebody else? If you're dealing with free agents
and agents, I mean, how is it not about about
knowing now this is who the guy is going to be.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
There's no question that has some effect. It depends on
where the player is in their career. And I talked
about this with Heath Bell and Mike Cameron a little bit.
If the players the point in his career where he's
just looking for the place where he can perform best
or he's going to make the amount of money he's
looking for, who's in charge is not really going to
play as big of a role in his decision making process.
But if it's says someone who is nearing the end
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of his career as trying to win a ring and
knows they've only got you know, three or four years left,
going somewhere where there's a very very real possibility of
a major change at the top of the baseball operations pyramid.
On top of ownership uncertainty. That does have an effect.
So again it's going to depend on the player, their personality,
where they are in their career. But there's no question
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when you are a team that is trying to get
everything in alignment to make a run to the World Series,
as the Poppers have stated, is their goal. Having uncertainty
and ownership and having uncertainty at the top of baseball
operations it's not a great place to be. You know.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I had wondered there had been some conversation as to
whether or not, you know, AJ probably was in sync
with the CEO, which is which is Eric Grupner right,
the division of baseball ops versus the business side. But
I think there's there's so much more to this because
if the team is going to be sold and these
this process. If you think announcing AJ probably takes a
long time to get his deal done, the ownership transfer,
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ownership change is sale the approval that takes even even longer.
But if you are a potential new owner, I mean,
do you usually you want your own guy, right? Doesn't
that complicate it?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Generally speaking? That is what happens. Now. There are exceptions.
You think about David Rubinstein with the Orioles came in
to retain Michael Liyas. We can debate whether or not
that was the right move, but that is what he did.
So again, there's all sorts of dynamics at play, but
one thing that I think needs to be addressed here
and is important context for all this. Okay, Peter Sidler
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was aj Preller's biggest champion, through and through and through.
And let's be clear if you go back to twenty nineteen,
at the end of that season, at that point, the
Potters that had five consecutive losing seasons, AJ Preller's hand
picked manager, Andy Green was fired because the team punted
on him. And that's direct quote from someone in their
front office. Every I mean, normally, if you have five
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straight losing seasons, your hand picked manager gets fired for
losing the clubhouse and you have a documented strike against
you as suspension for violating rules regarding the exchange of
medical information. Twenty nine other owners would have fired their
GM at that point, but Peter's side. There was always
aj Preler's biggest champion. And look since then, the Potters
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have four playoff appearances in six years. They have back
to back ninety one seasons. But at the same time,
as much tragic as it is, you know, with Peter
Siler not being there anymore, the same level of unconditional support.
It changes when you have new people. There's new dynamics
and I'm going to be curious to see what ends
up happening here because a lot of this too comes
down to not only do the should the Potters given extension,
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which is question one? Question two is how long? If
it's you know, another one year extension with an option, okay,
maybe that makes sense. If it's a five year extension
that makes someone of the highest paid executives in baseball,
that doesn't make sense. So there's so many dynamics at
play here, and I think it's important that a it
gets they all get resolved quickly because the longer this
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drags on, yes, the more it will effect just their
overall baseball planning for agent signings, staffing. It has so
many ripple effects when you don't know what's going to happen.
If you go into the year with a lame duck GM.
They need to get this resolved sooner rather than.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Later, Kyle Peter Peter Siler said, I mean we had
these I feel like we had annual conversation with Peter
about the job that AJ Preller has done. And he said,
and when you talk about Andy Green, andy Green was hired,
he was not hired to win. I mean, this is
a guy who inherited as a first dream manager, four
wool five guys on his roster. I mean he had
he had no chance. He was the bridge to when
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they were going to start spending and investing. He was
the bridge from the blue Podrays to the brown and
Gold Pods, Brown and Yellow padres right, And Peter would
say that he started to judge AJ Preller from the
Jase Tinler hiring. So based on that, and they dig
of the postseason right in the first in that first season,
how would you judge the job A. J. Preller has
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done since the Jace Tingler era.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
And again this is the tricky conversation, and again I
would love to hear your opinion as well. Right, AJ Preller,
as I've talked about, ad nauseum on the show, is
one of the most divisive figures in the industry. When
I say the industry, I'm talking other executives, I'm talking agents,
I'm talking coaches, I'm talking players. The pro side is,
like I said, Potters have had four playoff appearances in
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the last six seasons and back to back ninety one seasons,
two things that have never happened in this franchise's history.
The teams he is ultimately responsible for building have packed
the house for five straight years and made Pecko Park
an incredible, incredible home field advantage among the best in baseball.
And he has he and his staff, I should say,
have brought in a tremendous amount of young talent through
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the draft and internationally. That is what has been what
has allowed the Padres to make these blockbuster trades. So
all that's the pro side. On the conside, eleven years,
zero Division titles, zero nationally pennance, zero World Series titles.
The track record of the nine figure salaries and even
some of the upper eight figure sides has been disastrous.
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James Shields to Will Myers to Xander Bogart's, I mean
they've it's been a disastrous overall record to the tune
of hundreds of millions of dollars lost and we are
now on the Padres sixth manager in twelve seasons, and
this is a j. Preller's fifth higher. No other president
of baseball gets five manager higher. So again there's pros
and cons, and depending who you talk to, they'll say
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one outweighs the other, because where do you stand on it?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I'm kind of right in the middle. I mean, the
early years were interesting. And also when you talk about
the spending too, and this is a conversation that could
be had later on when when you write the book
on the on the Padres and the aj Pler era. No,
but I do like you talked about some of the
bad signings. I do wonder how much of those signings
were about aj Preler making those moves and how much
was because Peter Seidler stepped in and said, you know what,
I'm going to give Manny that extra money, when maybe,
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maybe if you're a Jent Peller, that he was willing
to let Manny go ahead and enter free agency and
perhaps invest in Juan Soto or different players. You know,
how much about Xander Bogart's was about was about Peter
Seidler or was that a J Peler. So there's a
lot he's made some mistakes. He's made a lot about
some mistakes. But also as someone who has been in
San Diego my entire life, this is someone who is
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the architect of literally the most exciting Padres teams we've
ever had. Right, I know so many times you talkalking
about listening to me and the radio, where you were
in high school when we're talking about all right, you
know whose jersey do you buy? There was no one.
They had no stars, there was no reason to go
to games, They had no hope, they had no chance.
When you go to spring training, he was already over.
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You knew that it was just about do you love baseball?
That's that's why you go. But now it's different. There's
there's star power, there's expectations. And I think that to
means what what's changed what he has done with this
fan basis, he is forever changed the expectation of what
of what fans expect?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
No question?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
And I don't know you can ask more. I mean,
you want to win, but not everyone can win, right.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
And I think moving forward now, look at Okay, is
there a case where a GM or president Baseball Operations
has gone into the year as a lame duck and
had success. Generally speaking, the answers know you look at
you know Mike Rizzo when in last year is a
lame duck. He had an option, but for all intents
and purposes a lame duck.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
He got fired during the season.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
There's one exception that is interesting though. Okay, Ed Hoyer
of course former Potter's GM. He went into last year
with the Cubs as a lame duck. He had been
their present baseball operations for four seasons after theo Epstein
stepped down. They were rebuilding, but things looked like they
had stalled out back to back eighty three win seasons.
It wasn't certain whether or not he was going to
remain in the job after last year. The Cubs end
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up having a good year and he gets an extension
around the trade deadline. So there is precedent for a
team waiting to give their present baseball operations an extension
in their final year during the season. Again, it is rare,
it does happen. That would be the case where Okay,
they waited and it worked out. But again, typically when
you see lame duck gms, it's because, hey, the team
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hasn't performed well back to back losing seasons, or they're
stalling out. I could not find another example of a
team coming off back to back ninety win seasons and
back to back playoff appearances going into there with a
lame duck GM. Generally speaking, those guys get extended and
extended earlier on.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
We're surprised you if you get a deal that would
run him with Gosh, with Craig Stammon, with his sixth manager.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And that again is where this is a really interesting dynamic,
because generally speaking, you want your present based operations or
GM to be tied with your manager. But again, if
you're the Pondrais and we look at it and say, okay,
what makes sense for us to do. Is it to
give a j preller again a long term deal? Like
anything else in life, it depends on the price, And
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I personally believe the answer is no. I think if
you want to do a two year extension with an
option for a third, I can see that if we're
talking again, you know, five year extension where he wants
to be one of the highest paid executives in baseball.
You know, not all executive salaries are public, but you
know David Stearns last year ten million a year. That's
the highest known annual salary. Again, that's not something you do.
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So again it's true, I would have.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Hard time saying that I would have an Actually, I
think that's a long term extension is impossible, especially with
the uncertainty of the ownership. If Peter Side we're here,
that could happen. Shoot, he might, he might own how
the franchise, But that what we know about. Considering we
don't know about the future of this team and that
they're going to be sold. That I believe they're going
to be sold, especially when you consider the statement from
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Brob Manfred that kind of tells you, listen, this is
where it's heading. I would be shocked if you were
to make him one of the highest paid GM Baseball
Ops guys five year deal when there's new new ownership
coming in.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
For the record, I completely agree. I've just learned, especially
with this franchise, sometimes to expect the unexpected. So but
I agree again, I think realistically the max you go
is a year two year extension with a one year option.
Where where do you stand? What would you say is
the right length?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I think two years with the option. I'm just wondering,
do you think this hang up is more on John
Seidler and Eric Kupner, or do you think this is
more an ancient probably began You know what, man, I'm
not best friends with the base, with the business side.
I'm going to have options. I don't. I don't maybe
I don't want to be here for the uncertainty, and
maybe I don't want to make I mean, do you
think that maybe do you think also that he perhaps
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had a possibility in Colorado before they went Paul Deepodesta
and this is a guy that knows how to go
ahead and take a train wreck franchise with zero stars
and bad contracts and turn them into an exciting product.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Based on the reporting that I've done just talking to people, know,
Colorado is not an option. The Rockies are very much
an organization that was not going to allow their incoming
GM to have full reign to clean house. And that
was a big reason why Matt Forman and Amel Saudier
bowed out, because Dick Monfort said, hey, you can run
baseball outs, but we're keeping this person, this person, this person,
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this person. Most gms are going to say, no, I
need full control and we know AJ Peler in particular
would not an operator like that. So no, that was
not an option. Look in terms of who's at fault here, again,
there are a lot of different perspectives of things. Again,
negotiations take time. What I will say is this right
from the Potters perspective, it does not make sense to
give him a long term deal to make him the
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highest paid GM in baseball or one of them. From
AJ Preler's perspective, if you're a J Preler, you say,
look look at what I've done. Look at look at
the four postseason appearances in six years, look at the
stadium being packed. I deserve to be paid like that.
So again, finding out the compromise, the middle ground is
always the tricky part in these negotiations. We'll see what happens.
And again, whether the resolution is he does get an extension,
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or he doesn't get one and he's a lame duck
throughout this year and maybe they revisited during the year,
or if they decide, hey, we couldn't reach an agreement,
We're going to part ways. Whatever it is, the sooner
they come to that resolution, the better for the Podcers.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I completely agree. Again, the Craig Stanmon press conference. The
intro pressor was November tenth. Three days later came the
email from the padre saying that John Siler wasn't exploring
a sale, and I just think if your padres found
you're like, man, what's going on there? It seemed to
be the understanding that a deal was imminent, you know,
end of the week, and it's been complete silence from
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the organization. We're heading into the Winter readings in one
week and unless something comes into my email inboxing this
next week, Kyle Glazer, buckle up, we're having the same
conversation in a week now.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
And it'll be well well, well deserved again if we
get through the winter meetings and there's still no deal.
Again I mentioned it's not a five alarm fire yet
blaring warning sign, But if after the winter meetings there's
still no deal, I'd say the warning level definitely goes
up at least, you know, one step.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Okay, Okay, we'll see, we'll see what happens. We'll see
what happens.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
All right, all right, So Marty go ahead. I was
gonna say, ay, sounds good, and let's take a quick
break and we'll be right back to discuss Mike Schultz's
new job and Dylan ceases seven year, two d and
ten million dollar contract with the Toronto Blue Jays. We'll
be right back.
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Speaker 1 (18:43):
All right, welcome back to Friar Territory. Coglazer alongside Marty Caswell. Marty,
we talked before the break about AJ Preller his lack
of extension. Now it's time to talk about two ex
Potters personnel, Mike Scheldt and Dylan Ceese. As we discussed
before the break, Mike schill new job with the Baltimore
Orils as an upper level coordinator. Hmm, I'll go with
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my reaction. Second, what were your thoughts when you heard
the news?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well, that was quick and I think it says I
think it says a lot about how he exited the Padres, right.
I know he said that he retired. Initially he was done,
he needed he needed a break from baseball. It was
wearing on him. And then we heard some reports coming
in about the relationship that he had with his coaching staff, right,
and with with AJ Peller. So it's not too surprising.
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I think the bigger question again was whether he was
encouraged to leave where they were going to fire him.
You know, I would love to know the full circumstances
of his departure. It's very, very unusual that a man
who loved managing baseball, who loved managing this team, who
by the way, was close with the players on this team,
who was who was, who was well liked at least
by the players, maybe not the coaching staff, But he
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walked away from two years, four million dollars. These jobs
are hard to come by. I would be shocked if
Mike Schultz ever manages again in the big leagues, considering
considering the noise that followed him following Saint Louis and
now the Padres. One thing we do know about Mike
Schult great manager, I mean, at least when it comes
to the base making decisions right, and getting to know
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the players and getting players to believe in him and
buy into him. That man, something was happening behind the scenes,
And just the fact that he is now back in
baseball after one of the shortest retirements I can remember
tells me a lot about what was happening inside inside
the Padres.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
It's certainly an interesting dynamic. I will say. One of
the things he did say on his way out was
that if he returned to baseball, it would be in
a role like this a player development role where he's
working with players on just you know, improving their games,
as opposed to him manager type of role. And you
have to understand this is where Mike Schilt made his name,
cut his teeth in the game. It was coming up
in player development through the Cardinals system, and that's where
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he was most renowned. Again, say what you want about
decisions on X day or why day. On the whole,
like you said, he was a very very good baseball
mind and a very very good decision maker and did
a good job establishing relationships with the players. But more
than that, he said a culture of we're going to
play clean, aggressive, smart baseball. And it's a little thing,
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but it's a big thing that makes a world of difference.
It's the old Cardinal way he brought to San Diego.
And look, this Potter's team for years did not always
play clean baseball. It makes a huge difference that they did.
You know, when he stepped away, my first thought was
this is exactly the kind of role that he would
come back in. I actually thought it'd be with the
other Beltway team. I thought it was going to be
with the Nationals because I looked at what is a
young team that plays just absolutely atrocious, embarrassing, horrendous quality baseball. Yeah,
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that to me is the type of team Mike Shildt
was gonna be perfect for where Hey, come in, We're
going to clean it up, we are going to pay
attention to the details. We are going to be fundamentally sound.
We're not going to make the kind of dumb mental
mistakes that cost teams outs and ultimately games. He's now
going to do that with a different young team in Baltimore.
And look, I do think the Oriels will be better
for it, having Mike Shilt working with their young big legers,
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work with their prospects and double A, triple A. He
will make them better. But there's no question that. Again,
it happening so soon after the departure says a lot.
Yeah again, eyebrow raising is certainly a fair assessment, Jeff.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
There's definitely something more going on behind the scene. I'm
not sure if this is something that you put on
a j peler or whatnot. And I think the thing
that kind of got me a little bit Kyle, and
people always say, oh, sure it comes out now, but
I think there was some of this dialogue happening when
he left when he was fired by the Cardinals after
winning You don't again, to your point on AJ Peler
about you don't fire guys after back to backships for
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the postseason, Well, it didn't stop the Cardinals from moving
on from Mike Shilt, So I kind of wondered, like,
why wasn't there more a follow up reporting there? But
I think now we're getting an idea, and I think
Shilt was just done with it. I mean, it's important
to have a cohesive relationship with your GM, it's important
to have it with your coaching staff, and there's a
lot of stuff happening behind the scenes, So it's not
too surprising it went this way. Maybe we'll find out
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more maybe when maybe the Winter meetings next week. But
I am not too surprised about how this thing ended.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Just so.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I'm just surprised he got back into it so quickly.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I'll say this in terms of his tenure at the Cardinals, right,
And this all happened while I was in National Mark
Baseball America, Okay it was. It was a fairly open
secret within the industry that the way he treated his
coaches in Saint Louis led to a lot of conflict
and led to a lot of problems, and there were
a lot of people in the organization who were very
very vocal about, you know, we can't have this. And
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you're right, it's a very rare frame manager to post
three straight winning seasons and take a team to the
playoffs three years in a row to get fired. But
the situation in Saint Louis had become untenable. Now why
it wasn't reporting more publicly Again, I can't speak to
sources of you know, folks whose job it was to
report that at the time. Again, but within the industry
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it was fairly well known. And I will say this,
some of what happened in San Diego and what did
eventually come out, you know, again great reporting by Kevin
Acy and deviziling everyone involved. It was not as bad
as it was in Saint Louis. At the same time,
it's kind of a low bar to clear. So I
think ultimately this is the kind of role that I
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think he will thrive in the most where he's just
working directly with players and maybe doesn't have to deal
with all the other aspects of managing the call with it,
whether it's dealing with the media, having to manage a
staff of X number of coaches. He can focus on
what he is best at and what he loves the most,
and ultimately that will be what puts him the best
position for long term success and the team that hired
him in the Oriels. So you know, in terms of
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him being pushed out or not here. Look, I have
checked him with this so many times and it's consistent. No,
he left on his own accord. I people who do
not bs me and you know, tell me the truth.
I said, No, he made his decision, all the factors
that go into that decision. Again, we know what he
has said. Publicly speculating on other factors, I don't feel
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comfortable doing that, but we have of what we know
are the known facts the situation.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Okay, look he left.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I'm surprised he got back in, but I'm not surprised
he got back in in this kind of role with
this kind of team, a young team that's again trying
to polish things up and get to that next level.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
The part the question I meant to ask both Preller
and Grupner at the Stamond presser was did you guys
try to stop him? Did anybody try to stop him.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, no, And again it's an interesting dynamic, right if
someone is in a job and they have mentally made
the decision, hey, I'm done. Can you pull them back?
Is it worth pulling them back or is it worth respecting?
And this is something that happens in all workplaces, all
industries across the country. And again, you know, without being
in the room to know exactly what the conversation was
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like and how it went between Mike Shilton, A J
Preller and everyone else involved, it's hard to know whether
or not it made sense to even ask that question.
Every situation is different. It's just hard to know. But
you're right, I would have been curious to know from
their perspective if they did make that attempt.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Okay, I know we're going to get to the Dylan
Ce contract, Shirley, but before I do, and I know
you have I know you've discussed this with both Mike
Cameron and he Fell. Did you like the Craig stamon hire.
Given the four first time candidates who that we know
of that were the finalist, Ruby Diebla who is so
well respected who I think is going to be a
future manager. Nick Hunley, who was awesome as a player
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who was Buster Posey's first choice, but he didn't want
that job in you know, to with relocation. Let's see
upper pooh hoole. Since Stanman was this the best? What
do you do you like it?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I will start by saying, look, I think Craig Stammon
has a lot of qualities that you look for. And
someone who hires a manager right, yes, great baseball mind,
natural leader, you know, tremendous relationship builder, all those things matter.
What I've talked about with Mike and Heath Bell throughout
is for a team that is saying their goal and
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again they have stated this repeatedly, again and again and
again and again that their goal is to compete for
a World Series in twenty twenty six. Hiring a first
time manager. And when I say first ti manager, I'm
talking to some who has never coached at any level
of professional baseball or managed at any level of professional baseball.
Like talk about Craig albernanz Albernaz with the Oils. That's different.
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He was a minor league manager for years, he was
a coach for years. That hires a first time manager
is different than this kind of higher hiring someone with
no coaching experience and no managerial experience at the professional level.
Any professional level runs counter to we're trying to win
in twenty twenty six because there's going to be a
learning curve, there are going to be mistakes made, there's
going to be a growth process that ultimately takes years
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to kind of figure everything out and slow the game down.
So for me, whether I actually Albert Pools would have
been a terrible higher just having covered in Anaheim, I
think that would not have been a good higher. Big
personalities in that clubhouse, guys who tend to brew when
things don't go well. Albert Pools is one of them.
I think that would have actually been a disastrous higher.
You know, to me, if you want to win a
World Series, and I talked about this with Mike and
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Hay in the wildcard era, since nineteen ninety five, every
team that has won a World Series, their manager either
had previous managial experience or two seasons two full seasons
of coaching experience in the big leagues. And that's not
a coincidence. There are just nuances you pick up. So
I think at the end of the day, the fact
that Potters were interviews from the first time managers A
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told me a little thing about their finances because more
experience managers are going to cost more. And be you
going with this again again? I think Craig Stammon has
a lot of great qualities hiring someone with no previous
manageral coach experience, no matter who it is, and say
you want to win a World Series this year. That
doesn't line up? Where are you?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I think of the I would agree with you with
the of the I mean, I agree in the pool
thing that didn't make any sense to me. It's there
aren't many superstar Hall of Fame players, and I mean
when he was the best player of our generation, he was.
He was the best player by far. He was awesome,
and he managed to like get WB Dominican team. But
I just know the Craig Stanmon thing. The one advantage
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she does have, other than the relationship with a you
probably is he knows the organization inside out and he's
tight with the players. And it's not just about being
friends with Manny Machado or Tatis. But I do know
that he was about as respected a player who's ever
walked in through the clubhouse, and that's going to matter.
I think that he can put his ego aside. The
thing that the great thing that I don't know and
may perhaps you do, is his bench coach, Randy Norr.
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This is a guy who has been a bench He's
an experienced bench coach with the Nationals. He's done everything
in baseball. So hopefully he has people that he can
trust and that you have most of your staff for
I think of your baseball staffs are turning. So that's
goods some continuity there, But I mean other than that,
what do we don't know? I don't know, And I
agree with you that there are so many questions. When
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it shocked the living hell out of me when they
announced what where did this come from? Where did this
come from? So don't I don't know? It just up
in the air. It's growing to me a little bit.
But man, I agree with you. When you're trying to
win a World Series and then you're hiring a first
time manager, I have more questions than anything else. I
(30:12):
really do.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And again, we have seen some of this in the industry,
but it's rare for a team that is ready to
compete right now. Right the Angels hiring kurts Szuzuki. Look,
the Angels have the longest one year deal, one year deal,
one year deal, yes, one year deal for Kurtzuzuki, which
again that organization, Look, they're a mess. They have the
longest playoff or out of any organization baseball, the longest
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streak of losing seasons of any organization baseball. Not the Pirates,
not the Marlins, the Angels. Wow. And there are just
so many issues there. So again, a team that has
no chance to win is many years away from winning. Okay,
you said, you know the Nationals. Blake Budera had a
few years managing the miners with the Rays. But again
that's a team that is three four years away from
when they're trying to build up. You know, the Giant
(30:54):
with Tony Vitello. Again, they have not been a proud
team since twenty twenty one. Yes, they're trying to win,
but they haven't had that success. They're not an easy
team you look at and say, oh, they're ready to
win right now, just because they haven't for four years.
A team that is trying to win right now. That's
what makes the Craig stamon Hire so different. And again
(31:16):
I go back to the Oriels Hire of Craig Alvernaz right,
having a half decade of experience managing the miners a
bunch of years of coaching experience with the majors. That's different.
That is a very different kind of first time manager.
But you're right hiring Randy Norrin, experience bench coach who's
worked with legends like Davey Johnson as well as first
year managers like Matt Williams back when he was in DC.
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You have Reuben Diebler, one of the game's best pitching coaches.
You have Ben Fritz, one of the game's best bullpen
coaches that will help the stam and higher. And then
going with a first time hitting coach and steven SUSA
who has also never coached at any professional level. That
to me is going to be an interesting dynamic having
a brand new manager and a brand new hitting coach,
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which are the two areas that potters kind of have
the most questions, and you're going from veterans in both
roles to first timers. Again, respecting someone as a player
is very different than respecting someone as an authority figure.
As you're managering your coach, and we just have to
wait and see what happens. I know everyone wants an
answer right now, like, oh, this is how it's going
to go. It's not how life works. We have to
(32:16):
wait and see. I think it was Heath Bell had
mentioned three months. Give them three months. Whatever mistakes they
make in those first three months, let it go. It's
a learning process. But after three months that's when you
should start to judge. And that's fine, except if you're
trying to win right now. You can't really be in
learning mode for the until almost the All Star break.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
So, hey, Kyle Glazer's stock right there? Did you say
give it three months? Have you met this fan base
we're judging, we're all hating that we're judging Game one
spring training.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yes, no, and again, right, this is a this is
a fan base that is hungry to win, and we
talk about this is expectations get raised the first time
you make the playoffs. To end the playoff drout, awesome,
we love it. But if you keep just kind of
getting to the wild Card Division Series round and you
keep coming up short, it doesn't cut it anymore. You're right,
there's a lot of impatience right now in the stand basin. Yeah,
(33:09):
I it will be important to be patient. But the
fact that the potter is made a hire that will
require patience. That's again where the questions come up.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Patience when you have this payroll does not equal.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Again, yes, there are a lot of misalignments there. But again, right,
maybe Craig Stanmon comes in and he takes the reins
from day one and it clicks. Then we're all going
to look very stupid for having these conversations. And the
Potter's front also to be like, hey, I told you
they could be right, Like, we have to acknowledge that possibility.
It's just a very big risk they talk.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and make Podrey's fans feel
better about this hire before we move on to Dylan
Ceas and his contract. Okay, let's see you wait on
the last three managers A J. Peler has hired has
taken him in the playoffs, Tingler, Bob Melvin, and Mike Schultz.
So maybe he can get lucky again with Faith Staman
(34:09):
and the nucleus they do have in this clubhouse.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Again, we will see. I would say no, but I
would say that that is going to be much more
of a factor of how they fill out this roster,
because again, a manager can only work with the players
he's given and as we've talked about, this is a
team with some very very talented core players you can
get excited about, and a lot of holes, including in
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the starting rotation, one of whom Dylan Sees their start
one of their top stars from last year, although that's
a shallow praise given some of the way, you know,
some of how things kind of played out with Michael
King getting hurt really as Nick Podetta and then Dylan
Sees was their second most productive starter in that at
that year. Now he's in Toronto again. We knew we
were gonna have to replace him from the Potters perspective,
(34:55):
but it's an interesting signing. What was your reaction to
set Holy.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Smokes number one? There's no Padre fan that thought that.
Excuse me, there was no Padre fan that thought, I
can't say that thought they There was no Padres fan
that was confident that the Padres had any chance of
retaining him. They wanted him trading before the deadline. He's
a gonner, get what you can for Dylan se'es. They
ended up neel really needing you know him and his
(35:24):
innings in the playoffs, although didn't really go too far,
but Wow, Holy smokes. I think every person that I
talked to last year about Dylan Sees, including you, thought
that Dylan Sees costs himself maybe one hundred million dollars
in free agency givenness struggles. This one shocked me that
number one, that it went so quickly and that it
was that much money by the toront of Blue Jays.
(35:46):
But maybe when you're the runner up and you were
a strike away from running out away from winning the
world series, Hey, it's a worthy investment.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
No question, the Podters resign Dylan Seas even for half
of that amount. One hundred million dollars wouldn't not have
been right for the Potters given their pails. Let's be clear,
he was going to be gone no matter what. It
was just a matter of what the dollar amunt was
going to be. And you're right, I talked a lot
about he cast himself a lot of money. But the
caveat I added that was but there's probably going to
be some team who's going to look at the strikeout
(36:15):
rate and say we can fix him while ignoring everything else.
And it's been really interesting to me. So, first of all, yes,
two hundred ten million dollars, My job dropped by the way,
as did a lot of people in the industry. They
thought one fifty one sixty, which to me even would
have raised some questions. But seven years, two ten, after
a year in which Dylan Cees his ERA was up
round five, Let's just let me back up. Dylan Ceese
(36:36):
did not have a good season last year. And he
would be the first person to tell you that what
I've always appreached about Dylan Cees is his honesty and
his candor. His ERA was up round five for most
of the year. He had a few good starts at
the end that kind of lowered it a little bit.
He gave up the most home runs in a season
he has in his entire career. And yes, the strikeout
rate was very, very very good. Strikeouts Prinin was best
(36:57):
in baseball, but his walk rate was also concerningly high,
and we saw throughout the season his fastball command was terrible.
He talked twenty to eighty scout and scale. There were
plenty of games it was a twenty and so on
the one hands, I'm seeing people write about this talk
about saying, oh, you know, makes the starts and the strikeouts,
and those are important. But when you give up as
much hard contact as he did, and your era was
(37:17):
as high as it was playing your home games in
Petco Park with the defense that was third and defensive
and efficiency playing behind you. When your ra outside of
Petco Park was over seven at one point it was,
it ended up well over five. I mean, it's a big, big,
big risk. The Blue Jays are betting that they can
fix him, and that's fix his fastball command, change up
(37:39):
his pitch micks. He needs to throw that knuckle curve more,
way too much fastball slider only made in predictable, especially
when hitters could just spit on the fastball. That's why
he struggled get through the second time through the order
because he was a one pitch pitcher at times. Again,
it's a big risk to take, and I maybe the
blue Jays are right. They've had a lot of success
with veterans starters before and helping them be successful. But
(38:01):
two hundred ten million, thirty million year, that's a big
big bet to make.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Who is the bigger who other than Dylan Cees and
Scott Boris, who is the biggest winner out of all
of this? And why is it? Michael King?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Well, what is it?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
What does it do for the rest of the pictures. Yeah,
I'm out there in free agency.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
It makes Michael camer I actually think it makes Framber
Valdez a big winner because he can now go from
thinking one he says, hey, Dylan Cees got too ten.
Frember Valdez has objectively been the better, more consistent pitcher
for four years now. Again, Dylan Cees has been great year,
bad yer, great year, badyer. Framer Valdez has consistently been fantastic.
He's left handed now, I was two years older. But
(38:39):
it's now very easy for Frember Valdez to say and
even with the whole cross up thing, which lets be clear,
was intentional, like I'm sorry, there's no question about that
that he absolutely crossed. Yeah, he's still he could say, hey,
if he gets thirty million year, there's no reason I
should be getting thirty two to thirty three. And it
might be shorter term just because he's older, but yeah,
he's gonna you know, Framer Valdez is going to make
(39:00):
out like a King now, Ranger Swaz is going to
do well. Michael King as well. Again, it was always
a fantasy. I felt some Potters fans had that always
gonna take a one year Pillo contract. No, three years
for seventy five mil was like the floor here. Luis
Savarino's three years seventy one mill was like the worst
possible outcome for him. You know, Nate Uvalde Sunny Gray
three seventy five. It would not shock me if his
(39:21):
medical comes back he gets five for one forty, maybe six,
one fifty one sixty. I mean, look, starting pictures get
paid even when they're not healthy, and as we've seen
Dylan Cees, even when they don't have good years. If
you have strikeout stuff and you're at the right age
and you have at least one year of success to
point two boom nine, nine figure deal, no questions asked.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Potentially gets a lot of gets pictures paid, and people fired.
So we're gonna see what's happened will happen there, Kyle,
I'm gonna save my questions to you on the idea.
I know you've had this before with Michael, with Heath
and Mike, the idea of morehone and Miller into starters.
I will save that for a different day, at different conversation.
It's a longer conversation, but outside there through me, give
me three names out there that are possible candidates to
(40:07):
replace some Dylan C's innings, not on the Padres, not
on the Padres roster. Can they find another Nick Paveta
sort of deal out there? Who's the guy that would
make some sense?
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah, Zach Lttel with the Reds, you know, very quietly
through one hundred d eight innings plus last year. And
because he's not a big strikeout gay guy, not a
big stuff guy, he's going to come cheaper than a
lot of other options. Again, he's more about, you know,
pinpoint control. He doesn't walk hitters, He works quickly, works efficiently.
But if you're the Padres, you need one hundred eighty
innings more than you need explosive stuff, but shorter routing.
(40:35):
So that would be a guy. Again, there's some other
guys out there who are coming off injury that have
shown they can, you know, log some innings in the past.
The Zach Eflin's of the world about he's he's had
an injury history. Adrian Hawser gave you decent innings last year.
So again there are options, but realistically, yeah, zachly tell's
the guy you look at. Who are the one hundred
d eighty inning type of guys who aren't going to cost
a lot of money. He's kind of the only one.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Okay, Before we wrap up today, Kyle, I'm going to
check my email right now and just make sure the
Padres have not extended agent. See no, no email from
the Padres. So I think we can pick this up
again when we when we uh, when we when we
meet up later this week, Yeah, a j pler extension
and then we'll do it next week.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
It's certainly going to be a topic that will be
on everyone's mind. And look, it will help dictate the
Padres course this off season. You know. Again, it all
ties together aj po's contract status. It's going to impact
their strategy for free agency, who they're able to attract. It,
it all plays together here. This isn't just something in
a vacuum about aj Preller. It's about putting the organization
(41:39):
in the best position to win and having some certainty
at the top. Whatever that certainty is, whatever direction it is,
is better than uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
A lot of nervous fans, it's been, it's been, it's
been so it's been awesome, you know, covering this team.
I know, it's so much fun to be a fan
of this team because of the home and the expectations.
This is a little bit different, and I feel like
Padres fans are a little bit nervous because they don't
know what's happening. We don't know what's happening. We don't
know what's happening with the ownership and with Aj Peller,
(42:07):
which also affects directly who they can bring in. So
we'll see, Kyle. It's going to be another interesting off season,
hopefully a bit more action than last year when they're
signing was Nick Pavetta was Gavin Sheets by the way,
two pivotal players for the Padres. So we'll see what
this off season brings. It's just beginning. It's December first.
We are getting started right now, right now.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Absolutely well, Marty, thank you so so much for joining
me today. This was a great debut show. We're so
excited to have you.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Thank you listeners.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
We will be back on Thursday with a lot more Marty.
I'm looking forward to the year ahead with you.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Kyle Glazer. Likewise, you're the best. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
All right, everyone that'll do it for this edition of
Friar Territory. Go ahead and gives a review Apple, Spotify, YouTube,
whatever platform you're watching listening on, we'd love to hear
from you. For Marty Caswell, I'm Kyle Glazer. Thank you
for watching and listening. Once again, we'll be back on
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