October 28, 2025 • 46 mins
San Diego Padres president of baseball operations A.J. Preller has one year remaining on his contract, and the team has a decision to make whether to extend him or not. Kyle Glaser and Mike Cameron discuss if Preller deserves an extension, the arguments for and against, and why the length of any extension is the most important part. Plus, they compare Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s and Fernando Tatis Jr.'s career arcs to date, and discuss which one is likely to perform better through the lengths of their contracts.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome into another edition of Friar Territory presented by Fox One.
I'm Kyle Glizzer alongside the Great Mike Cameron, here to
break down whether or not a J Peller deserves a
contract extension, compare Vladimiricaurero Junior and FINANCEE Teast Junior's career arcs,
and of course look ahead to Game four of the
World Series between the Dodgers and the Blue Jays. But Mike, first,
(00:25):
we got to talk about Game three, an eighteen inning
thriller Dodgers win six to five. This game had everything,
crazy defensive plays, big moments on heralded stars stepping up,
Hall of Famer stepping up. It was one of the
more entertaining games we've seen in a long long time.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Look, I even went to sleep and World back up
and the Dan's still going. I thought it was just
they were just replaying it over again. I looked out,
just a twelfth inning. This is crazy, But you know
it was only the twelfth inning. They played six more innings, man,
So you know, I got a little experience about playing
an eighteen in a game, but not at this particular level.
(01:04):
But there were a lot of interesting, interesting things that
take place. I've never seen so many guys during our
home plate in a real baseball game in my life.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So you know, I mean there's just I mean a
kudos to both teams.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Man. You know, the hardest part is going to be
revenue back up again today considering how important arms are
in the bullpen, and so it's gonna be an interesting game.
It could take shape of the whole series at this
particular point.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Absolutely, Freddie Freeman a walk off home run to win
a World Series game at home for the second straight year.
And Mike, I think the thing that the Podres and
every other team can take from this game and really
this World Series, it's a lesson that we know but
keeps being reinforced. In order to get to this level,
you need both stars and depth. Everyone has to step up.
(01:57):
It can't be just one or the other. You look
at the Dogs last night. They don't win that game.
If Sho Heo Tani doesn't reach base nine times, which
is insane, they don't win that game. If Freddie Freeman
doesn't hit the walk off home run, they don't win
that game. If Clayton Kershaw doesn't come out of the
bullpen and get that critical critical out of the Bass
voted their three Hall of Famers did what they needed
(02:17):
to do in big moments, But the Dodgers also don't
win that game if Edgardo Henriquez doesn't come out and
throw two scoreless innings, and if Will Klimb doesn't come
out and throw four scoreless innings. It has to be
the stars and the depth, and from the Potters perspective,
this has been something that has hamstrung them for years,
where they have really really, really incredible high end talent,
(02:39):
but whether it's the bottom of the lineup, whether it's
the middle to back of the bullpen, whether it's rotation depth,
the supporting cast just hasn't been there more often than not.
And I think you can even look at the Blue
Jays with this Ernie Clement, Addison Barger, Nathan Lucas. The
Blue Jays aren't where they are without those guys. They
also aren't where they are without Vladimir Garrow Junior and
Bobashett and George Springer. Has to be everyone, and that
(03:01):
was really driven home last night seeing guys again like
Will Kleinan and Gardo Henriquez stepping up and holding the
line for the Dodgers before Freddie Freeman ended it.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah, well, you know, the one thing that the Dodgers
have is capital to be able to support.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Three four potential Hall of.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Famers, you know in Freddie and show Hey and Mookie
and also in Kershaw. I mean, so what they've done
is kind of learned from trial and error through these
years and still be able to be a very prominent
team that continds for a World Series every year and putting.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Pieces together in the bullpen, adding high end.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Starters, just a collection a collective group of talent and
just going out and just trying to play a complete
game on a daily basis. But we know they're going
to be tough, you know, on any given night, considering
they have experience. Uh, they have guys that can do
many different things on a baseball field.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Uh, you know, we can't go long enough.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
You've got a guy who's a I feel like he's
a mercenary in the playoffs, and that's Tioscar Hernandez, Tooskar Hernandez,
also Keikey Hernandez. These guys have an abundance of talent
and also abundance of experience in these particular moments, and
it just seems that they are able to do this
time and time again and year at the year, and
(04:34):
people are gonna have to deal with it as such.
You just have to try to make your team as
best as possible. We know that Toronto probably had.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
The overall best team aspect from offensively standpoint, and they've
had some guys that can get it done. And Gosman
ensure their uh that the kid that they have that
that has come up and be very affected. Yes, and
so they do have these pieces to to compete against
(05:07):
the against the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
But last night the Dodgers just overwhelming with the pressure
they kept putting on the teams. And that means they
get people on base all the time. And and what
show Hay is doing, man, is just I mean, we
don't we don't really see this one on every on
a nightly basis, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I feel like I feel like.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
We don't see this on a century basis. Everything he's
done for his career and that was truth the Angels too,
And look, you're right, like I said, I really want
to emphasize this. Yeah, Dodgers have tremendous financial capital and
that is what allows them to go out and get
these high end stars. But they have also done a
tremendous job scouting player development and finding guys on the margins.
And I want to go back to Will clin And and
(05:50):
Gardo and Riquez, without whom again, they did not win
last night. Your line was acquired in a mid season
trade for Joe Jakes. I guarantee you pretty much no
one knew that trade happened June second with the Mariners.
Gardal Henriquez was not a top signing out of Venezuela
when he was sixteen. He wasn't a July second guy.
He was a leftover guy who signed later in the
period that no one.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Thought a whole lot of. And now here these two.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Guys are playing every bit as big of a role
as the Dodger superstars and helping the team win a
World Series game. And that kind of brings me to
the Padres. When you look at aj Preller and everything
he's done. There have been a lot of successes for
this organization. At the same time, there have been some shortcomings,
and we'll go through all of them here in a second.
(06:35):
Right now, Aj Preller is signed for one more season
to be the Padres President of Baseball operations, The question
is does he deserve an extension or not? And Mike,
we'll get into the pros and cons of doing it,
but just your initial reaction, based on everything that's taken place,
given the strengths and the weaknesses, do you think Aj
Peller deserves an extension as the Padres President of Baseball Operations.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Well, Caw, I feel like, you know, obviously, up until
this point, Aj has done a good job of putting
a competitive team that can compete to go into playoffs.
From that perspective, Uh, the hard part is it is
definitely bludget the the the the their monor league system, UH,
(07:23):
to be able to.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Do this, and we don't know how much longer.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
They can run at this particular pace and trying to
get that you know, chase that vunant World Series title
and uh and also you know, competing in the same
division as the Dodgers. So, I mean, if we're going
to give him a grade or whatever, he's done, he's
done a great job at providing the fans and the
(07:54):
organization with this opportunity through you know, giving ownership, giving
him the leeway to go out and do these type
of things. So I don't know if we're saying he's
got one more year, whether he gets an opportunity to
do it for another two or three years or whatever
it may be before the actual turnoverstart, we don't know
how it's going to be from a financial aspect.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So considering that do their project, they don't even have
a manager.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yet, so they don't have a manager. They're fill in
the process of hiring a manager.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
So there's a lot to be said about this.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And I know AJ has a lot of you know,
we named a few guys the last time we were
on about who he has in his office, uh as
his as.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
His wingman or whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
So it's just going to be interesting to see how
how far they're willing to go. I think they will
ascend him, but it's just going to be probably based
on now, as you know, finding a manager and also
how long does the the ownership want to continue to
go in the matter that right now.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, so again AJ Preler and I've mentioned this before
and at bears repeating is one of the more divisive
figures in the industry. When I say the industry, I
mean executives, coaches, players, scouts, you know, everyone that makes
up Major League Baseball. There are points in fate in
both directions in terms of he's done a great job
versus he hasn't done a great job, and he should
(09:21):
be extended or not extended. So the pro side of
the argument for aj Preller is under his leadership, the
Padres have reached the postseason four times in the last
six years and posted back to back ninety one seasons,
something this franchise has never done in its history. The
teams he is ultimately responsible for building pack the house
(09:42):
every single night at Petco Park and have turned San
Diego into one of the best home field advantages in baseball.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
And he and his.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Scouting staff have done a tremendous job at bringing young
talent into the organization. But to the draft international acquiring
guys at you know, the A ball levels, and that
is what has allowed them to make these trades to
go get superstars. The con argument is that aj Preller
has been at the Helm now for eleven years, and
(10:10):
despite unprecedented financial resources given to him, the Potters have
zero Division titles, zero nationally pennants, and zero World Series
appearances in eleven years. The track record of giving out
large contracts, particularly nine figure contracts, has been disastrous to
(10:30):
the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars wasted under
AJ Preller, and the Potters will now be hiring their
sixth full time manager in what will be twelve seasons
coming up next year. A really really high rate of
turnover that just frankly, whatever the reasons, does not reflect
well on the organization. Where do you fall on the
pro con side of the argument with him there, because
(10:53):
again both sides are fair and objectively those are all
factually true.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, damn, I didn't realize it's been in that long.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That's a tough task.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I mean for this organization looking forward, these questions that
we're sitting here asking out amongst ourselves, it's probably the
same questions that are going on in this ownership Uh,
in this ownership space to find out is it worth
it to continue to run out here with a J.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Priller at the.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Hem and and and still you know, once again, don't
have any team leadership right now.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Uh, It's it's a tough tasks. It's a tough task.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
If they're gonna do it this season, they may let
this play out this season once he hires a manager,
But then when you do that, if you leave him
in the lane duck status or a one year contract
that that puts the owners once again on whomever comes
in with the manager that Ajor decides to pick. So
(12:02):
it's a tough task to to have an answer for
on this. But you know, far as pros and con
the pros look good, but also you know, like when
we looking at.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
The pros and it's been really.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Good, but man, they lost a lot of talent that
could possibly help this team, considering you had one therefore
soda for a little while that you had to give
up a lot for that particular guy. They've also gotten
a few guys back. But also from the perspective of
the con man, being in the same division as Dodgers
(12:39):
has been probably frustrating and challenging because you're trying to
keep up with them from a capitalistic standpoint, but also
just from a talent level in order to compete. We've
seen this team compete against the Dodgers, but it's just
it just runs out every single time. And so it's
gonna be a tough challenge man to to really figure
(13:01):
out if this is direction, this is the direction that
the team wants.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
To go in moving forward.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You know, with AJ Priller, We know how you know,
you say, kind of divisive in a lot of different manners.
But man, having six managers come through there, there's been
a lot of turnover and I feel like a lot
of failure in that department and not having the right
leadership lead these guys for at least five or six years.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
So I want to go back to an interview that
Potter CEO, Eric Grupner, gave to Ben and Woods the
Great Morning Show in San Diego. There's a great interview.
I encourage everyone to check it out. Eric Rupner. Once again,
Potter CEO was very very candid and open and honest
about where the organization stands, what it's trying to do,
in a way that most CEOs aren't. So again give
(13:48):
credit to Eric Grupner. He's been very upfront and direct
with fans and that's important. But one of the things
he said, and I'm gonna quote directly here so nothing
is mistated during the interview regarding the AJ Peller extension,
was this quote John, meaning John Sadler is taking the
lead on that discussion with AJ. It's always been the
plan that the discussions around an extension for AJ would
(14:09):
take place beginning in the off season as part of
our review and evaluation, and so those discussions have begun.
We're optimistic that Aj will be our president of baseball
operations past twenty twenty six end quote. So the interesting
thing there, of course, Mike, is the optimism that Aj
Preler will be the Potter's president of baseball operations past
(14:30):
twenty twenty six. The question is how much longer? And
I want to put this back on you. You kind
of alluded to it earlier, but it's very rare to
see an executive be a lame duck, especially for a
winning team. More often than not, we do see at
minimum of one year extension given because lame duck status
is not great for anyone. Yeah, if you give Aj
(14:52):
Preller an extension, how long of one do you give him?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I mean, if these already signed for this year, I mean,
I and ownership already said that they they they're optimistic
of him being passed twenty twenty six. So I'm looking
at it as it's already twenty twenty six, you know,
in a sense from a business standpoint, man.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I'm thinking maybe a couple of years extension.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
If anything, I'm gonna say two, possibly three given the situation.
So those are those are the numbers I think are
not going to go farther than that at this particular point.
I mean fifteen, we're talking now, we're talking about close
to fifteen years as an executive of a team, and
that don't really happen very often. I think maybe a
(15:47):
couple of teams just so happen to have that situation.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
But you've got to.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Get six minute, Gerald Highers, that's for sure, No, no,
no chance.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Everybody normally you're out the door. If that's the case,
you got to bring in six managers, you know, to.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
To Really they've been in position to win pretty much
every year, although you know, like they only had two
ninety win seasons, they've been in you know, four out
of the last six years, they've been to the playoffs,
and it's just come up short on the on the
edge of the stick.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And we know how difficult it can be once you
enter into that tournament, and after the seasons I was with,
but you have to try to put the right roster
and pieces together to to be able to do that, and.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You have to have some capital to doing that.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
And and I don't know where San Diego is with
that that particular aspect as far as continuing to take
this run to chase down the Dodgers in that division.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Realistically, given where the Potters are, just given players ages,
typical productivity levels as players age, this team has two
more years left before you're gonna start seeing things fall
off a cluff. A very good point at them with
them going on the path they're currently going down. With that,
I think that it is understandable to give aj Preller
(17:06):
a one year extension, maybe two. I think anything more
than three if his demand is more, I think you
walk away from the Potters' perspective. I think that given
what the Podres will need, which is bringing in a
quantity of talent that is good top to bottom on
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the roster right now, they need to find really good
complementary players, which, as we've discussed, has not been one
of aj Preller's strengths. They've been great at bringing in
superstars and high upside talent, they have not been great
at filling out rosters. The failures are much much, much
greater than the successes in terms of the number of
years they've had it either. And I think when it
comes down to it, you're right if you start getting
(17:48):
into that, it's been thirteen years, fourteen years, and they're
not making any progress and the team is really really
really backloaded with contracts with players aging. It's not a
good situation. So I think if you're the Padres, you're
open to an extension, whether it's a one year extension
to absolute max three, if his demand is five years,
(18:11):
you going in a their direction. I think that's what
you have to do.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah, I get it, man, you know, you start talking
about these contracts on the back end, that is gonna
bottle down the uh, the the salary.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You know, of the team and everything. That's that's a tough.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
One, man, you know, And I think you know we're
talking about eventually Manning and yeah, it's going to become
a complimentary player, although he's probably gonna be good and
that probably better than most is gonna come become a
complimentary player because by the time doesn't stop for nobody,
you know, you can't really stop it, and so you
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have to have players.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And right now there's a.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Lot of space open on the team, a lot of
question marks that on it on the roster right now,
do you brain back o her?
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You have I think you got Loreano another year.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I think if that's the case, and so you do
have some spaces out there. You've already signed your center fielder,
your right fielder, your shortstop and your third basement for
a long time, and you do have you got Musgrove
coming back. So you got a lot of different questions
as there was.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
There's no question there from core pieces, but can they
supplement those pieces with high enough quality players to contend
as we have seen again look at the Blue Jays,
Ernie Clement, Nathan Lucas. These guys are minor league fragent signings.
Addison Harker was a six round draft pick who needed
seven seasons in the minors before he became a full
time big leaguer. Those are guys the Potters don't have.
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Those are guys the Potters don't find. They're very very impatient.
If guys are taking long in the minors, they tend
to get rid of them. And then again you talk
about their minor league fragent signings. Again, Gavin Sheets was
a really good signing, but the overall track record is
pretty poor when it comes to finding guys who are
also long term pieces on that front. Again, Clement, Nathan Lucas.
These are long term pieces for Blue Jays. These are
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not guys who are.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Just one year wonders.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
So yeah, again finding stars, They've done a great job.
The complimentary pieces, that's been an issue. And again I
think at the end of the day, given where the
Padres are, they have a chance to win. Now this
is the guy who's got them there. I think you
still ride with it, but not for much longer. We
will see what they decide to do, and Mike one
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(20:26):
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twenty thirties is for Nantatist Junior. They're gonna have an
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Vladimir Gerrero Junior, how their career arcs have gone so far,
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To Friar Territory presented by Fox One Mike. As this
postseason has gone on, we have seen Vladimir Gerrero Junior.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I don't want to say I.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Have a coming out party because he's been a star
for years and years and years, but really have those
signature moments in the postseason, and it brought me back
to Vli mcgerer Junior and Finando Tatist Junior's relationship. In
a lot of ways, these two have been tied at
the hip throughout their careers. They grew up together in
the Dominican Republic. They were both part of the same
twenty fifteen international signing class. They were the numbers one
(22:19):
to two prospects in baseball at one point. They made
their debuts the same year in twenty nineteen, and now
here we are in twenty twenty five. Both of them
have at different points shown themselves to be those elite
franchise players. I want to take a look at the
overall comparison of their careers because I think it's important
to assess what they've done in order to know where they're.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Going to go.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
So Vladimir Guerrero Junior, to point to this date, has
hit two eighty eight three sixty five four to ninety
five one hundred and eighty three home runs with an
eight sixty one OPS and a one hundred and thirty
six OPS plus a one thirty.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Six OPS plus.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Tatis has hit two seventy seven three point fifty four
slightly lower average on base percentage. He slugged five thirteen.
It's actually higher than Vlad Junior. I think people would
be surprised that Farancis Junior has a higher slugging percentage
of Vlad Junior. Over the course of his career, Tatis
one hundred and fifty two homers to one hundred and
eighty three for Vlad. A lot of that's just playing time.
Tatista set some injuries, but this is where it's almost
(23:17):
identical again. Vlad Junior eight sixty one career ops, Tatus
eight sixty eight career ops, Vlad Junior one thirty six
career ops plus Finano Tatist Junior won thirty six career
OPS plus. Both of these players are signed for at
least the next nine years. Mike Tatis has nine years
remaining on his extension. Guerrero has fourteen years remaining on
(23:40):
his extension. Which one would you rather have moving forward
for the rest of this decade and into the twenty thirties.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I have so much. I'm just I'm a obviously I'm
a fan of both Tatis.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I go with Tatis because and I knowing that he
has this injury history, man, but still, dude, Like, the
dude is just gonna be twenty five next year.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Man, it six now, so next year will be seven
season and the same age.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, yeah, like man, like it's it's it's so crazy,
how you know these guys are just this super talented
and you know, uh, the probably to wearing tearr is
gonna go to favor of Laddy Junior just being a
first basement, a very talented first basement too. I didn't
know he was this athletic. But obviously if you could
(24:44):
play third base, then you can, you know, obviously you
gotta have some talent to move around a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
But I'm just such a fan of Tatis.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Man, if I was wanted to be a player in
today's game, it would be this guy. You know what
I'm saying, Like, I love his everything that he does
everything about him. I know he's had some shortcomings in
the game from injury perspective and some off the field challenges,
but I still love him as.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
A player man.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
If he ever decides that he's going to focus for
six months and get himself in a position to play
one hundred and fifty five hundred and you know, one
hundred to one fifty eight.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
You know, I can't say one sixty two no more.
I just it's so difficult.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
But playing it, you know, fifty five this year, so
I do want to get.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, no doubt, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
And and and playing in San Diego does wonders in
that department of being able out there. You know, he's
playing right field, so you know I do. I'm a
I'm a fan of both that both do great things.
Tatis has the speed advantage on his side on his side,
(25:56):
and I just love him as a player man. And
that's nothing against what Bladdy Jr.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Does. Bladdy Jr.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Just seems to be in that big poppy mode right
now where it doesn't matter you either pitched to me
or I'm gonna walk and I can hear everything so
and then so and then when you do make a mistake,
I'm gonna bang your own defense. They just watching these guys,
you know, over the course of their careers. Man, it's
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been very, very very delightful to see that that we
have these type of players in the game. And you know,
I'm still riding with, you know, Tatis. I feel like
maybe Bladdy Jr. Is having to do a little bit
more by himself, where Tatis I feel like has a
little bit more of a you know, helping aspect from
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you know, having a manny behind him. Uh, you know,
I mean everyone has a robin on their team, and
I don't I think the robbin for Finando Tatis is
a little better than the one that's in Toronto. Uh,
you know, because we don't know what both Shed's gonna
do next year.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Who knows, Uh, They're going to probably lose him. But
I'm gonna go with Tatis.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Not just because we talk about them more, whatever it is,
It's just that I feel like the longevity, if Tatis
can remain healthy at this point, he's going to put
up a fairly large amount of numbers opposed to.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Bloody Junior.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Although Blady Junior plays in a better hitters part, you know,
Tatis has the advantaged from a running aspect, and how
he can keep himself healthy and well enough to go
out and be a part of his team, as you
said at least one hundred and fifty five times, and
add that that speed dynamic to that power dynamic.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I don't we don't even know.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
If Tatis has tapped into all of what he's capable
of doing at this particular point.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
And so it's important to note again, right, these guys
just complete their age twenty six seasons. They're both gonna
be in their age twenty seven season next year. Both
these guys stole in a lot of ways, how they're
years ahead of them potentially.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, we know just.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Historically that the more athletic, more limber players tend to
age better. And there's no denying that Fanta Tis Junior
is a better athlete than fernand than vladimirk Row Junior.
Excuse me, but the speed you look at, you know,
the defensive ability you look at, just just everything about it.
I think for me, where this gets tough is how
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these two have been trending.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
His hitters we.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Talked about over the course of their careers, they've been
pretty identical. Again. Eight sixty eight ops first eight sixty
one ops. Identical OPS plus was a one thirty six.
But the last three years have been very, very very
strong advantage Laddie.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Oh, no doubt. So.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Since Tatis came back from missing the entire twenty twenty
two season after having two rist surgeries, a shoulder surgery,
and of course his PD suspension, he just has not
been the same hitter. He's still been a good hitter,
but not the same hitter. He' hit two sixty six
with an eight h three OPS. So we've seen him
decline as a hitter post injuries and PD suspension, whereas
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Vladimirer Grier Junior is on the upward ascent as a hitter.
So over the last three years, Ladimirerg Gria Junior is
hitting nearly thirty points higher in batting average is thirty
points highing on base percentage is twenty five plus points
hire and sluging percentage. You know, his OPS is eight
to fifty nine to Tatis is eightoh three. It's a
full fifty six points higher. And Matt for me is
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where it gets tough because even with all the defensive
value for Antatis Junior brings, even with all the base
running value he brings. At the end of the day,
the gap with the bat has grown larger. And you
mentioned durability. You know, Vladie's played one hundred and fifty
plus games five years in a row. He's actually been
one hundred and fifty six plus games five years in
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a row. So for five years in a row of
Vladimir Grier Junior has played more games in a season
than for now Teias Junior had ever played.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
So ultimately, for.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Me, and I know this will probably make me some enemies,
but the guy who is on the upward ascent as
a hitter and has shown the ability to stay on
the field more consistently is always going to be the
guy I go with, no matter who we're talking about.
And so for me, given the trends we've seen over
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the last three years, in particular, I Dolean Vladimirgrojenior. It's
not you know, recency bias of oh he's had a
great postseason, because Tatis has had some great postseasons, not
this year in the past. This is strictly about looking
at the big picture, what has happened, which way these
guys are trending, and which elements of their game and
I just see Vladdie trending up, and Tatis has objectively
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been worse these last three years than he was his
previous three years offensively and not a little bit worse,
but a lot.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, I definitely understand that, and I also look for
some reason, we tend to think when these young stars
come up at nineteen twenty twenty one years old, that
they're supposed to have all of this figured out intoday's
age pitching.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Today's age pitching.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Which is rich, is really hard to do most of
the time those years you're just.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Playing on super talent alone.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
When you start to get into this particular thing, like
the one thing I've always felt like is if I
can be available and keep my injuries down, I'm going
to get a chance to grow and learn about myself
as a hitter as I continue to grow.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
But since we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
The comparison and that aspect, as you're saying trending up,
you know, the one thing that Bladdy doesn't do is
chase a whole lot. So when you don't chase a
whole lot, and you have the type of talent that
he has, you get a chance to get put another
swing on a ball. That the picture has to come
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in the strike zone because they know they're not going
to pretty much, you know, try to mess around with
you much more and get you in counsel that you
can do a tremendous amount of damage. I do think
that Tatis still has the ability and the opportunity, given
his health and getting out on the field more, he
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can steal rise his level of play to that aspect,
or to his talent levels that we continue to talk about,
learning more about himself as.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
A hitter, and he can improve on.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Some of the chase value situations to put himself in
position to do more damage with the talent that God
given talent he's been given, you know, along with some
type of maturity as a player.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Would be very very.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Interesting to see how these two continue to progress as
big leaders, because again we see peaks tend to be
more twenty six to thirty in a lot of ways.
It's very very real that these guys have not even
achieved their best yet, which is scary considering how good
they've already been. I think the other interesting aspect of this,
too is their contracts. Tatisa signed for nine more years,
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Laddie is signed for fourteen more years. But Laddie's contract
is structured in a very interesting way. I think a
lot of people miss this. We typically see players the
amount of money they make goes up over time on
an annual basis. The Blue Jays did the reverse with Laddie.
He's making forty plus million the next two years, and
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then it starts dropping as he gets older, down to
thirty nine plus thirty eight plus thirty seven plus. By
the time the deal is done, will be making just
under thirty million years. So the amount of money he
makes over the course of the contract actually declined. So
as he gets older and in theory and large in practice,
his performance will decline, his salary will decline. Whereas Tatisa's
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contract is structured in the more typical way we see,
which is he's going to start making more and more money.
We're going to start seeing that salary number go up.
He's making just over twenty million dollars a year now.
That jumps up to twenty five million dollars plus in
twenty twenty seven, and that jumps up to thirty six
million dollars plus really closer to thirty seven million in
twenty twenty nine. All the way through the end of
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the contract in twenty thirty four, so vladying Tatis, their
contracts are going to be going different ways.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Again.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
It's gonna be very very interesting. We will see what happens.
But I do think, like you said, your points about
why you would take Tatis are very very valid. I'd
like to think the points I made about Blacker as
I would take him would be also valid. So look,
it's going to be a great debate to watch these
two moving forward.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
You can't go wrong, and majority of first basement of
this caliber play for a long time without the wear
and tear. And you know, we're looking at Freddy Freeman.
I'm pretty sure Bryce Harper is going to continue to
kind of stay at at an elite level, I mean
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not the elite.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
But at an elite level. As they continue to go older.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
We have a I guess, uh Pete over in with
the New York Mets with a free agent, so you know, he's.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Probably a little bit older than these guys.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
But as we continue to see these guys continue on
first base, seems to be a safe bet to say.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, I mean it can be right. I mean, we've
seen Albert Poohl's Miguel Carrera decline hard once they hit
thirty five thirty six. But we've also seen, like said
Freddi Freeman's thirty six still growing strong, you know, so yeah,
but Paul Goldman was still productive through thirty six, So
there's yea cases of both.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
I do think that by the time you get to
the age thirty six thirty seven, that's going to be
a drop off on I feel, like anyone, it's really
hard to uphold that type of production considering.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
These guys that we just named.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Gay Man like every day and put it in who
hosts his case, who hosts play every day? And then
he had extended runs in the playoffs for a really
long time. So there's a tremendous aspect of that. I
like the fact that teams should start looking at like, hey,
we might as well play our best player.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
If we're gonna sign him long long term, let's sign
him up front.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Let's give him the money up front, and then start
to minimize the salaries along with the level of what
they are as they start to age. So you don't
get these people, oh, you know, he's making too much money,
and da da da dah, he's thirty six, and da
da da dah. You know, like there's there's so many
different aspects that come with contracts, and I'm pretty sure
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that Toronto looked at it as like, man, this is
our pillar, this is our front guy. He continues to
be improving, they're gonna set a tremendous amount of jerseys,
They're gonna do a lot of different things for him
that is going to maximize that particular aspect of it.
And I do think the same in Tatusa's case. But
we're we're gonna get to the point where he's gonna
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probably miss fifteen twenty games when he's thirty four, thirty
five years old, and people are gonna say, well, you
know they're paying him this much money, and da da
da da da, And you know, you're always gonna get
these different doing the six seventh thing or whatever they got,
You're gonna get a lot of talk about those type
of those type of activities.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
But look, we can't go wrong.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I'm just I'm such a fan of what Tatis is
as you know, a player, and hopefully that he continues
to mature and get better as both of these guys,
because it is good for the game when we do
have a chance to discuss guys in this caliber.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Absolutely all right, Mike, we got one more thing to
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Speaker 1 (39:03):
Welcome back to Friar Territory presented by Fox One. Game
four of the World Series is tonight show hal Tani
going for the Dodgers on the Mound versus Shane Bieber
for the blue Jays. Mike, after last night's eighteen inning thriller,
what are you gonna be watching for?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Man? The one thing I'll be watching for is like, look,
we know show Hay who he is. He's a superhuman guy.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
That's like one of those kids that are twelve year old,
twelve year olds that dominated like every single day when
he was when they're little, and he's doing on a
grand stage in the big league level.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Man.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
So I look for show Hay to be really good
from that aspect that the question is going to come in.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
You know, the Toronto Blue Jays are going to be
missing George.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
That's a that's a big, big miss.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
And I do think that the bull Pens will have
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Question marks and how Snyder and Dave decides to navigate this.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I don't think the Blue Jays are scared of show
hair Toney.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
You know, Uh, Show has been dominant when he does pitch,
you know, in these playoffs to an extent. And but
I do think that the ability of the Blue Jays,
like they put the battle of baseball and they it's
not weak contact here.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I mean what I'm saying like they actually understand that.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I think they had a few missed opportunities last night
to put themselves in.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Position, uh to to win this game.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
But I do think that it's gonna be another one
of these heavyweight battles man.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
And and it's been interesting to see. Uh.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
I never thought a World Series game would go eighteen innings,
but it did. And I'm just looking at some of
the numbers, man, there's a lot of getting on base.
I mean, show Hay looked like he had a little
league game night, uh in a.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
In a big league setting the World Series.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
So I mean we can also look to see how
the strength and the longevity of what Show is gonna do.
I think both starting pitchers understand what transpired last night,
and they're gonna need a little bit of lymth out
of these guys. And and everyone's tight. Everyone's worn out
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at this point. So it's gonna be interesting to see
from that perspective. And let's just hope the marine layer
doesn't come in too early tonight, otherwise it could be
another long night.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
It'll be hotter here in Los Angeles today than it
was yesterday, was a little cooler. And yeah, you know
as well as anyone during the day, the ball fly
out just find a Dodger Stadium even the early evening.
Once night falls, those balls died at the track, as
we saw Tasker Hernandez in a big way last night.
To me, the camera to be watching for is like
you mentioned the link from the starters both show Heo
(41:44):
Tani and Shane Bieber are in their first years back
from having Tommy John surgery. You look at what they've
done this year. Bieber has thrown six and the third
innings in a start. That's his longest start this year.
Show how Tani's longest start is six innings. Bieber has
not been great here in the postseason. So Game three
against the Yankees and the Alds, he got bombed, he
(42:06):
pitched well and picked up a win for the Blue Jays.
In Game three of the ALCS against the Mariners, that
was a great outing. They definitely need it. But then
in Game seven, three and two thirds seven hits, gave
up a pair of runs again just got hit. He
has not been cy young Shane Bieber, as most guys
are not in their first year back from TJ. Yeah, Otani,
we have seen get stronger and stronger as a pitcher
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as the year goes on, and that, of course was
capped by his performance in the NLCS against the Brewers
in Game four, six scoreless innings, you know, ten strikeouts.
But even look at his final starts the regular season again,
six scoreless innings to finish the year against the d Backs.
The start before that, five scoreless innings. Again, he's been
pitching really, really well. I do think this is a
(42:51):
situation where the team who's starting pitcher is still on
the mound the latest in the game probably wins. Just
given the state of these bullpens after last night, given
how tired of all of these headers are going to be,
I do think it would be last man standing in
terms of the starting pitchers, that's.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Who wins the game. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Look and also from a you know show Hayes his aspect,
man like, he has a hit too, So it's going
to be a challenge from that perspective, and I do
think that you know, as we look at this, as
you said, Show has got garnered stronger. He's a big
He's a big guy who throws really hard, and so uh,
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Bieber is.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Going to go on a lot of just.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Of his experience and understanding how to get through innings
and and try to work around big situations, put in
this situation where it's going to cause a lot.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Of stress on him at this point.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
And I think that each each manager manager is going
to give these guys who they trust and understand, who
are veteran players, veteran starting pitchers, a little bit more
of a leeway due.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
To the understanding of what's transpired the night before.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
And once again, I do think that the Blue Jays
they need to win this probably more than the Dodgers, do,
you know, given the situation, and you know, I know
that we all know they're going back home anyway, but
giving not necessarily.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
I mean, if the Dodgers close us out in five. Again,
I think there's no question every game is an important game.
There's no question from the Blue Jays perspective, coming back
down three to one against the Dodgers is in proposition,
especially coming off of last night's heartbreaker, you want to
bounce back with a win. You know, my prediction before
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the series was Dodgers and six. We didn't get a
chance to talk to you between the time the ALCSN
did and the World Series started, so and be honest, now,
what was your pick going into the series.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
I felt like the Dodgers had the advantage because of
their starting pitching, you know, more than anything.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
I just felt like they had the advantage in that aspect,
and given I.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Think that they were gonna overcome and I thought that
the Dodgers would probably win it in six, you know,
although with a tough battle coming from the Blue Jays,
but just because of.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
The starting pitcher.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Man, you know, the Dodgers have these pitchers that can
and really dominate and shut out teams more so than
the Toronto Blue Jays.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Absolutely, it should be a great one again tonight in
Chavez Ravine, we will all be watching and we will
have coverage of everything coming up here on Friar Territory.
Of course, everything going with the Potters this offseason. I'll
be back with Heath Belayer this week to discuss everything
going on in the World Series. We have got you
covered with Wall to Wall Baseball. Mike, thank you so
much for joining me. We appreciate your expertise and insight as.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Always, Thanks Gott.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
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Welcome into another edition of Friar Territory presented by Fox One.
I'm Kyle Glizzer alongside the Great Mike Cameron, here to
break down whether or not a J Peller deserves a
contract extension, compare Vladimiricaurero Junior and FINANCEE Teast Junior's career arcs,
and of course look ahead to Game four of the
World Series between the Dodgers and the Blue Jays. But Mike, first,
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we got to talk about Game three, an eighteen inning
thriller Dodgers win six to five. This game had everything,
crazy defensive plays, big moments on heralded stars stepping up,
Hall of Famer stepping up. It was one of the
more entertaining games we've seen in a long long time.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Look, I even went to sleep and World back up
and the Dan's still going. I thought it was just
they were just replaying it over again. I looked out,
just a twelfth inning. This is crazy, But you know
it was only the twelfth inning. They played six more innings, man,
So you know, I got a little experience about playing
an eighteen in a game, but not at this particular level.
(01:04):
But there were a lot of interesting, interesting things that
take place. I've never seen so many guys during our
home plate in a real baseball game in my life.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So you know, I mean there's just I mean a
kudos to both teams.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Man. You know, the hardest part is going to be
revenue back up again today considering how important arms are
in the bullpen, and so it's gonna be an interesting game.
It could take shape of the whole series at this
particular point.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Absolutely, Freddie Freeman a walk off home run to win
a World Series game at home for the second straight year.
And Mike, I think the thing that the Podres and
every other team can take from this game and really
this World Series, it's a lesson that we know but
keeps being reinforced. In order to get to this level,
you need both stars and depth. Everyone has to step up.
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It can't be just one or the other. You look
at the Dogs last night. They don't win that game.
If Sho Heo Tani doesn't reach base nine times, which
is insane, they don't win that game. If Freddie Freeman
doesn't hit the walk off home run, they don't win
that game. If Clayton Kershaw doesn't come out of the
bullpen and get that critical critical out of the Bass
voted their three Hall of Famers did what they needed
(02:17):
to do in big moments, But the Dodgers also don't
win that game if Edgardo Henriquez doesn't come out and
throw two scoreless innings, and if Will Klimb doesn't come
out and throw four scoreless innings. It has to be
the stars and the depth, and from the Potters perspective,
this has been something that has hamstrung them for years,
where they have really really, really incredible high end talent,
(02:39):
but whether it's the bottom of the lineup, whether it's
the middle to back of the bullpen, whether it's rotation depth,
the supporting cast just hasn't been there more often than not.
And I think you can even look at the Blue
Jays with this Ernie Clement, Addison Barger, Nathan Lucas. The
Blue Jays aren't where they are without those guys. They
also aren't where they are without Vladimir Garrow Junior and
Bobashett and George Springer. Has to be everyone, and that
(03:01):
was really driven home last night seeing guys again like
Will Kleinan and Gardo Henriquez stepping up and holding the
line for the Dodgers before Freddie Freeman ended it.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah, well, you know, the one thing that the Dodgers
have is capital to be able to support.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Three four potential Hall of.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Famers, you know in Freddie and show Hey and Mookie
and also in Kershaw. I mean, so what they've done
is kind of learned from trial and error through these
years and still be able to be a very prominent
team that continds for a World Series every year and putting.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Pieces together in the bullpen, adding high end.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Starters, just a collection a collective group of talent and
just going out and just trying to play a complete
game on a daily basis. But we know they're going
to be tough, you know, on any given night, considering
they have experience. Uh, they have guys that can do
many different things on a baseball field.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Uh, you know, we can't go long enough.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
You've got a guy who's a I feel like he's
a mercenary in the playoffs, and that's Tioscar Hernandez, Tooskar Hernandez,
also Keikey Hernandez. These guys have an abundance of talent
and also abundance of experience in these particular moments, and
it just seems that they are able to do this
time and time again and year at the year, and
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people are gonna have to deal with it as such.
You just have to try to make your team as
best as possible. We know that Toronto probably had.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
The overall best team aspect from offensively standpoint, and they've
had some guys that can get it done. And Gosman
ensure their uh that the kid that they have that
that has come up and be very affected. Yes, and
so they do have these pieces to to compete against
(05:07):
the against the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
But last night the Dodgers just overwhelming with the pressure
they kept putting on the teams. And that means they
get people on base all the time. And and what
show Hay is doing, man, is just I mean, we
don't we don't really see this one on every on
a nightly basis, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I feel like I feel like.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
We don't see this on a century basis. Everything he's
done for his career and that was truth the Angels too,
And look, you're right, like I said, I really want
to emphasize this. Yeah, Dodgers have tremendous financial capital and
that is what allows them to go out and get
these high end stars. But they have also done a
tremendous job scouting player development and finding guys on the margins.
And I want to go back to Will clin And and
(05:50):
Gardo and Riquez, without whom again, they did not win
last night. Your line was acquired in a mid season
trade for Joe Jakes. I guarantee you pretty much no
one knew that trade happened June second with the Mariners.
Gardal Henriquez was not a top signing out of Venezuela
when he was sixteen. He wasn't a July second guy.
He was a leftover guy who signed later in the
period that no one.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Thought a whole lot of. And now here these two.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Guys are playing every bit as big of a role
as the Dodger superstars and helping the team win a
World Series game. And that kind of brings me to
the Padres. When you look at aj Preller and everything
he's done. There have been a lot of successes for
this organization. At the same time, there have been some shortcomings,
and we'll go through all of them here in a second.
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Right now, Aj Preller is signed for one more season
to be the Padres President of Baseball operations, The question
is does he deserve an extension or not? And Mike,
we'll get into the pros and cons of doing it,
but just your initial reaction, based on everything that's taken place,
given the strengths and the weaknesses, do you think Aj
Peller deserves an extension as the Padres President of Baseball Operations.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Well, Caw, I feel like, you know, obviously, up until
this point, Aj has done a good job of putting
a competitive team that can compete to go into playoffs.
From that perspective, Uh, the hard part is it is
definitely bludget the the the the their monor league system, UH,
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to be able to.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Do this, and we don't know how much longer.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
They can run at this particular pace and trying to
get that you know, chase that vunant World Series title
and uh and also you know, competing in the same
division as the Dodgers. So, I mean, if we're going
to give him a grade or whatever, he's done, he's
done a great job at providing the fans and the
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organization with this opportunity through you know, giving ownership, giving
him the leeway to go out and do these type
of things. So I don't know if we're saying he's
got one more year, whether he gets an opportunity to
do it for another two or three years or whatever
it may be before the actual turnoverstart, we don't know
how it's going to be from a financial aspect.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So considering that do their project, they don't even have
a manager.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yet, so they don't have a manager. They're fill in
the process of hiring a manager.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
So there's a lot to be said about this.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And I know AJ has a lot of you know,
we named a few guys the last time we were
on about who he has in his office, uh as
his as.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
His wingman or whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
So it's just going to be interesting to see how
how far they're willing to go. I think they will
ascend him, but it's just going to be probably based
on now, as you know, finding a manager and also
how long does the the ownership want to continue to
go in the matter that right now.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, so again AJ Preler and I've mentioned this before
and at bears repeating is one of the more divisive
figures in the industry. When I say the industry, I
mean executives, coaches, players, scouts, you know, everyone that makes
up Major League Baseball. There are points in fate in
both directions in terms of he's done a great job
versus he hasn't done a great job, and he should
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be extended or not extended. So the pro side of
the argument for aj Preller is under his leadership, the
Padres have reached the postseason four times in the last
six years and posted back to back ninety one seasons,
something this franchise has never done in its history. The
teams he is ultimately responsible for building pack the house
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every single night at Petco Park and have turned San
Diego into one of the best home field advantages in baseball.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
And he and his.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Scouting staff have done a tremendous job at bringing young
talent into the organization. But to the draft international acquiring
guys at you know, the A ball levels, and that
is what has allowed them to make these trades to
go get superstars. The con argument is that aj Preller
has been at the Helm now for eleven years, and
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despite unprecedented financial resources given to him, the Potters have
zero Division titles, zero nationally pennants, and zero World Series
appearances in eleven years. The track record of giving out
large contracts, particularly nine figure contracts, has been disastrous to
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the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars wasted under
AJ Preller, and the Potters will now be hiring their
sixth full time manager in what will be twelve seasons
coming up next year. A really really high rate of
turnover that just frankly, whatever the reasons, does not reflect
well on the organization. Where do you fall on the
pro con side of the argument with him there, because
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again both sides are fair and objectively those are all
factually true.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, damn, I didn't realize it's been in that long.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That's a tough task.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I mean for this organization looking forward, these questions that
we're sitting here asking out amongst ourselves, it's probably the
same questions that are going on in this ownership Uh,
in this ownership space to find out is it worth
it to continue to run out here with a J.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Priller at the.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Hem and and and still you know, once again, don't
have any team leadership right now.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Uh, It's it's a tough tasks. It's a tough task.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
If they're gonna do it this season, they may let
this play out this season once he hires a manager,
But then when you do that, if you leave him
in the lane duck status or a one year contract
that that puts the owners once again on whomever comes
in with the manager that Ajor decides to pick. So
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it's a tough task to to have an answer for
on this. But you know, far as pros and con
the pros look good, but also you know, like when
we looking at.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
The pros and it's been really.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Good, but man, they lost a lot of talent that
could possibly help this team, considering you had one therefore
soda for a little while that you had to give
up a lot for that particular guy. They've also gotten
a few guys back. But also from the perspective of
the con man, being in the same division as Dodgers
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has been probably frustrating and challenging because you're trying to
keep up with them from a capitalistic standpoint, but also
just from a talent level in order to compete. We've
seen this team compete against the Dodgers, but it's just
it just runs out every single time. And so it's
gonna be a tough challenge man to to really figure
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out if this is direction, this is the direction that
the team wants.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
To go in moving forward.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You know, with AJ Priller, We know how you know,
you say, kind of divisive in a lot of different manners.
But man, having six managers come through there, there's been
a lot of turnover and I feel like a lot
of failure in that department and not having the right
leadership lead these guys for at least five or six years.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
So I want to go back to an interview that
Potter CEO, Eric Grupner, gave to Ben and Woods the
Great Morning Show in San Diego. There's a great interview.
I encourage everyone to check it out. Eric Rupner. Once again,
Potter CEO was very very candid and open and honest
about where the organization stands, what it's trying to do,
in a way that most CEOs aren't. So again give
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credit to Eric Grupner. He's been very upfront and direct
with fans and that's important. But one of the things
he said, and I'm gonna quote directly here so nothing
is mistated during the interview regarding the AJ Peller extension,
was this quote John, meaning John Sadler is taking the
lead on that discussion with AJ. It's always been the
plan that the discussions around an extension for AJ would
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take place beginning in the off season as part of
our review and evaluation, and so those discussions have begun.
We're optimistic that Aj will be our president of baseball
operations past twenty twenty six end quote. So the interesting
thing there, of course, Mike, is the optimism that Aj
Preler will be the Potter's president of baseball operations past
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twenty twenty six. The question is how much longer? And
I want to put this back on you. You kind
of alluded to it earlier, but it's very rare to
see an executive be a lame duck, especially for a
winning team. More often than not, we do see at
minimum of one year extension given because lame duck status
is not great for anyone. Yeah, if you give Aj
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Preller an extension, how long of one do you give him?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I mean, if these already signed for this year, I mean,
I and ownership already said that they they they're optimistic
of him being passed twenty twenty six. So I'm looking
at it as it's already twenty twenty six, you know,
in a sense from a business standpoint, man.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I'm thinking maybe a couple of years extension.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
If anything, I'm gonna say two, possibly three given the situation.
So those are those are the numbers I think are
not going to go farther than that at this particular point.
I mean fifteen, we're talking now, we're talking about close
to fifteen years as an executive of a team, and
that don't really happen very often. I think maybe a
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couple of teams just so happen to have that situation.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
But you've got to.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Get six minute, Gerald Highers, that's for sure, No, no,
no chance.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Everybody normally you're out the door. If that's the case,
you got to bring in six managers, you know, to.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
To Really they've been in position to win pretty much
every year, although you know, like they only had two
ninety win seasons, they've been in you know, four out
of the last six years, they've been to the playoffs,
and it's just come up short on the on the
edge of the stick.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And we know how difficult it can be once you
enter into that tournament, and after the seasons I was with,
but you have to try to put the right roster
and pieces together to to be able to do that, and.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You have to have some capital to doing that.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
And and I don't know where San Diego is with
that that particular aspect as far as continuing to take
this run to chase down the Dodgers in that division.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Realistically, given where the Potters are, just given players ages,
typical productivity levels as players age, this team has two
more years left before you're gonna start seeing things fall
off a cluff. A very good point at them with
them going on the path they're currently going down. With that,
I think that it is understandable to give aj Preller
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a one year extension, maybe two. I think anything more
than three if his demand is more, I think you
walk away from the Potters' perspective. I think that given
what the Podres will need, which is bringing in a
quantity of talent that is good top to bottom on
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the roster right now, they need to find really good
complementary players, which, as we've discussed, has not been one
of aj Preller's strengths. They've been great at bringing in
superstars and high upside talent, they have not been great
at filling out rosters. The failures are much much, much
greater than the successes in terms of the number of
years they've had it either. And I think when it
comes down to it, you're right if you start getting
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into that, it's been thirteen years, fourteen years, and they're
not making any progress and the team is really really
really backloaded with contracts with players aging. It's not a
good situation. So I think if you're the Padres, you're
open to an extension, whether it's a one year extension
to absolute max three, if his demand is five years,
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you going in a their direction. I think that's what
you have to do.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah, I get it, man, you know, you start talking
about these contracts on the back end, that is gonna
bottle down the uh, the the salary.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You know, of the team and everything. That's that's a tough.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
One, man, you know, And I think you know we're
talking about eventually Manning and yeah, it's going to become
a complimentary player, although he's probably gonna be good and
that probably better than most is gonna come become a
complimentary player because by the time doesn't stop for nobody,
you know, you can't really stop it, and so you
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have to have players.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And right now there's a.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Lot of space open on the team, a lot of
question marks that on it on the roster right now,
do you brain back o her?
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You have I think you got Loreano another year.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I think if that's the case, and so you do
have some spaces out there. You've already signed your center fielder,
your right fielder, your shortstop and your third basement for
a long time, and you do have you got Musgrove
coming back. So you got a lot of different questions
as there was.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
There's no question there from core pieces, but can they
supplement those pieces with high enough quality players to contend
as we have seen again look at the Blue Jays,
Ernie Clement, Nathan Lucas. These guys are minor league fragent signings.
Addison Harker was a six round draft pick who needed
seven seasons in the minors before he became a full
time big leaguer. Those are guys the Potters don't have.
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Those are guys the Potters don't find. They're very very impatient.
If guys are taking long in the minors, they tend
to get rid of them. And then again you talk
about their minor league fragent signings. Again, Gavin Sheets was
a really good signing, but the overall track record is
pretty poor when it comes to finding guys who are
also long term pieces on that front. Again, Clement, Nathan Lucas.
These are long term pieces for Blue Jays. These are
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not guys who are.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Just one year wonders.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
So yeah, again finding stars, They've done a great job.
The complimentary pieces, that's been an issue. And again I
think at the end of the day, given where the
Padres are, they have a chance to win. Now this
is the guy who's got them there. I think you
still ride with it, but not for much longer. We
will see what they decide to do, and Mike one
of the key players for the Padres moving forward into
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twenty thirties is for Nantatist Junior. They're gonna have an
interesting discussion with you about him versus one of his compatriots,
Vladimir Gerrero Junior, how their career arcs have gone so far,
and ultimately which one you would want for the next
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To Friar Territory presented by Fox One Mike. As this
postseason has gone on, we have seen Vladimir Gerrero Junior.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I don't want to say I.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Have a coming out party because he's been a star
for years and years and years, but really have those
signature moments in the postseason, and it brought me back
to Vli mcgerer Junior and Finando Tatist Junior's relationship. In
a lot of ways, these two have been tied at
the hip throughout their careers. They grew up together in
the Dominican Republic. They were both part of the same
twenty fifteen international signing class. They were the numbers one
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to two prospects in baseball at one point. They made
their debuts the same year in twenty nineteen, and now
here we are in twenty twenty five. Both of them
have at different points shown themselves to be those elite
franchise players. I want to take a look at the
overall comparison of their careers because I think it's important
to assess what they've done in order to know where they're.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Going to go.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
So Vladimir Guerrero Junior, to point to this date, has
hit two eighty eight three sixty five four to ninety
five one hundred and eighty three home runs with an
eight sixty one OPS and a one hundred and thirty
six OPS plus a one thirty.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Six OPS plus.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Tatis has hit two seventy seven three point fifty four
slightly lower average on base percentage. He slugged five thirteen.
It's actually higher than Vlad Junior. I think people would
be surprised that Farancis Junior has a higher slugging percentage
of Vlad Junior. Over the course of his career, Tatis
one hundred and fifty two homers to one hundred and
eighty three for Vlad. A lot of that's just playing time.
Tatista set some injuries, but this is where it's almost
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identical again. Vlad Junior eight sixty one career ops, Tatus
eight sixty eight career ops, Vlad Junior one thirty six
career ops plus Finano Tatist Junior won thirty six career
OPS plus. Both of these players are signed for at
least the next nine years. Mike Tatis has nine years
remaining on his extension. Guerrero has fourteen years remaining on
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his extension. Which one would you rather have moving forward
for the rest of this decade and into the twenty thirties.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I have so much. I'm just I'm a obviously I'm
a fan of both Tatis.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I go with Tatis because and I knowing that he
has this injury history, man, but still, dude, Like, the
dude is just gonna be twenty five next year.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Man, it six now, so next year will be seven
season and the same age.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, yeah, like man, like it's it's it's so crazy,
how you know these guys are just this super talented
and you know, uh, the probably to wearing tearr is
gonna go to favor of Laddy Junior just being a
first basement, a very talented first basement too. I didn't
know he was this athletic. But obviously if you could
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play third base, then you can, you know, obviously you
gotta have some talent to move around a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
But I'm just such a fan of Tatis.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Man, if I was wanted to be a player in
today's game, it would be this guy. You know what
I'm saying, Like, I love his everything that he does
everything about him. I know he's had some shortcomings in
the game from injury perspective and some off the field challenges,
but I still love him as.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
A player man.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
If he ever decides that he's going to focus for
six months and get himself in a position to play
one hundred and fifty five hundred and you know, one
hundred to one fifty eight.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
You know, I can't say one sixty two no more.
I just it's so difficult.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
But playing it, you know, fifty five this year, so
I do want to get.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, no doubt, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
And and and playing in San Diego does wonders in
that department of being able out there. You know, he's
playing right field, so you know I do. I'm a
I'm a fan of both that both do great things.
Tatis has the speed advantage on his side on his side,
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and I just love him as a player man. And
that's nothing against what Bladdy Jr.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Does. Bladdy Jr.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Just seems to be in that big poppy mode right
now where it doesn't matter you either pitched to me
or I'm gonna walk and I can hear everything so
and then so and then when you do make a mistake,
I'm gonna bang your own defense. They just watching these guys,
you know, over the course of their careers. Man, it's
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been very, very very delightful to see that that we
have these type of players in the game. And you know,
I'm still riding with, you know, Tatis. I feel like
maybe Bladdy Jr. Is having to do a little bit
more by himself, where Tatis I feel like has a
little bit more of a you know, helping aspect from
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you know, having a manny behind him. Uh, you know,
I mean everyone has a robin on their team, and
I don't I think the robbin for Finando Tatis is
a little better than the one that's in Toronto. Uh,
you know, because we don't know what both Shed's gonna
do next year.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Who knows, Uh, They're going to probably lose him. But
I'm gonna go with Tatis.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Not just because we talk about them more, whatever it is,
It's just that I feel like the longevity, if Tatis
can remain healthy at this point, he's going to put
up a fairly large amount of numbers opposed to.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Bloody Junior.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Although Blady Junior plays in a better hitters part, you know,
Tatis has the advantaged from a running aspect, and how
he can keep himself healthy and well enough to go
out and be a part of his team, as you
said at least one hundred and fifty five times, and
add that that speed dynamic to that power dynamic.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I don't we don't even know.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
If Tatis has tapped into all of what he's capable
of doing at this particular point.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
And so it's important to note again, right, these guys
just complete their age twenty six seasons. They're both gonna
be in their age twenty seven season next year. Both
these guys stole in a lot of ways, how they're
years ahead of them potentially.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, we know just.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Historically that the more athletic, more limber players tend to
age better. And there's no denying that Fanta Tis Junior
is a better athlete than fernand than vladimirk Row Junior.
Excuse me, but the speed you look at, you know,
the defensive ability you look at, just just everything about it.
I think for me, where this gets tough is how
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these two have been trending.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
His hitters we.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Talked about over the course of their careers, they've been
pretty identical. Again. Eight sixty eight ops first eight sixty
one ops. Identical OPS plus was a one thirty six.
But the last three years have been very, very very
strong advantage Laddie.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Oh, no doubt. So.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Since Tatis came back from missing the entire twenty twenty
two season after having two rist surgeries, a shoulder surgery,
and of course his PD suspension, he just has not
been the same hitter. He's still been a good hitter,
but not the same hitter. He' hit two sixty six
with an eight h three OPS. So we've seen him
decline as a hitter post injuries and PD suspension, whereas
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Vladimirer Grier Junior is on the upward ascent as a hitter.
So over the last three years, Ladimirerg Gria Junior is
hitting nearly thirty points higher in batting average is thirty
points highing on base percentage is twenty five plus points
hire and sluging percentage. You know, his OPS is eight
to fifty nine to Tatis is eightoh three. It's a
full fifty six points higher. And Matt for me is
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where it gets tough because even with all the defensive
value for Antatis Junior brings, even with all the base
running value he brings. At the end of the day,
the gap with the bat has grown larger. And you
mentioned durability. You know, Vladie's played one hundred and fifty
plus games five years in a row. He's actually been
one hundred and fifty six plus games five years in
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a row. So for five years in a row of
Vladimir Grier Junior has played more games in a season
than for now Teias Junior had ever played.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
So ultimately, for.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Me, and I know this will probably make me some enemies,
but the guy who is on the upward ascent as
a hitter and has shown the ability to stay on
the field more consistently is always going to be the
guy I go with, no matter who we're talking about.
And so for me, given the trends we've seen over
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the last three years, in particular, I Dolean Vladimirgrojenior. It's
not you know, recency bias of oh he's had a
great postseason, because Tatis has had some great postseasons, not
this year in the past. This is strictly about looking
at the big picture, what has happened, which way these
guys are trending, and which elements of their game and
I just see Vladdie trending up, and Tatis has objectively
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been worse these last three years than he was his
previous three years offensively and not a little bit worse,
but a lot.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, I definitely understand that, and I also look for
some reason, we tend to think when these young stars
come up at nineteen twenty twenty one years old, that
they're supposed to have all of this figured out intoday's
age pitching.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Today's age pitching.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Which is rich, is really hard to do most of
the time those years you're just.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Playing on super talent alone.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
When you start to get into this particular thing, like
the one thing I've always felt like is if I
can be available and keep my injuries down, I'm going
to get a chance to grow and learn about myself
as a hitter as I continue to grow.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
But since we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
The comparison and that aspect, as you're saying trending up,
you know, the one thing that Bladdy doesn't do is
chase a whole lot. So when you don't chase a
whole lot, and you have the type of talent that
he has, you get a chance to get put another
swing on a ball. That the picture has to come
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in the strike zone because they know they're not going
to pretty much, you know, try to mess around with
you much more and get you in counsel that you
can do a tremendous amount of damage. I do think
that Tatis still has the ability and the opportunity, given
his health and getting out on the field more, he
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can steal rise his level of play to that aspect,
or to his talent levels that we continue to talk about,
learning more about himself as.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
A hitter, and he can improve on.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Some of the chase value situations to put himself in
position to do more damage with the talent that God
given talent he's been given, you know, along with some
type of maturity as a player.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Would be very very.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Interesting to see how these two continue to progress as
big leaders, because again we see peaks tend to be
more twenty six to thirty in a lot of ways.
It's very very real that these guys have not even
achieved their best yet, which is scary considering how good
they've already been. I think the other interesting aspect of this,
too is their contracts. Tatisa signed for nine more years,
(33:12):
Laddie is signed for fourteen more years. But Laddie's contract
is structured in a very interesting way. I think a
lot of people miss this. We typically see players the
amount of money they make goes up over time on
an annual basis. The Blue Jays did the reverse with Laddie.
He's making forty plus million the next two years, and
(33:34):
then it starts dropping as he gets older, down to
thirty nine plus thirty eight plus thirty seven plus. By
the time the deal is done, will be making just
under thirty million years. So the amount of money he
makes over the course of the contract actually declined. So
as he gets older and in theory and large in practice,
his performance will decline, his salary will decline. Whereas Tatisa's
(33:54):
contract is structured in the more typical way we see,
which is he's going to start making more and more money.
We're going to start seeing that salary number go up.
He's making just over twenty million dollars a year now.
That jumps up to twenty five million dollars plus in
twenty twenty seven, and that jumps up to thirty six
million dollars plus really closer to thirty seven million in
twenty twenty nine. All the way through the end of
(34:15):
the contract in twenty thirty four, so vladying Tatis, their
contracts are going to be going different ways.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Again.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
It's gonna be very very interesting. We will see what happens.
But I do think, like you said, your points about
why you would take Tatis are very very valid. I'd
like to think the points I made about Blacker as
I would take him would be also valid. So look,
it's going to be a great debate to watch these
two moving forward.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
You can't go wrong, and majority of first basement of
this caliber play for a long time without the wear
and tear. And you know, we're looking at Freddy Freeman.
I'm pretty sure Bryce Harper is going to continue to
kind of stay at at an elite level, I mean
(35:00):
not the elite.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
But at an elite level. As they continue to go older.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
We have a I guess, uh Pete over in with
the New York Mets with a free agent, so you know, he's.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Probably a little bit older than these guys.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
But as we continue to see these guys continue on
first base, seems to be a safe bet to say.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, I mean it can be right. I mean, we've
seen Albert Poohl's Miguel Carrera decline hard once they hit
thirty five thirty six. But we've also seen, like said
Freddi Freeman's thirty six still growing strong, you know, so yeah,
but Paul Goldman was still productive through thirty six, So
there's yea cases of both.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
I do think that by the time you get to
the age thirty six thirty seven, that's going to be
a drop off on I feel, like anyone, it's really
hard to uphold that type of production considering.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
These guys that we just named.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Gay Man like every day and put it in who
hosts his case, who hosts play every day? And then
he had extended runs in the playoffs for a really
long time. So there's a tremendous aspect of that. I
like the fact that teams should start looking at like, hey,
we might as well play our best player.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
If we're gonna sign him long long term, let's sign
him up front.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Let's give him the money up front, and then start
to minimize the salaries along with the level of what
they are as they start to age. So you don't
get these people, oh, you know, he's making too much money,
and da da da dah, he's thirty six, and da
da da dah. You know, like there's there's so many
different aspects that come with contracts, and I'm pretty sure
(36:43):
that Toronto looked at it as like, man, this is
our pillar, this is our front guy. He continues to
be improving, they're gonna set a tremendous amount of jerseys,
They're gonna do a lot of different things for him
that is going to maximize that particular aspect of it.
And I do think the same in Tatusa's case. But
we're we're gonna get to the point where he's gonna
(37:05):
probably miss fifteen twenty games when he's thirty four, thirty
five years old, and people are gonna say, well, you
know they're paying him this much money, and da da
da da da, And you know, you're always gonna get
these different doing the six seventh thing or whatever they got,
You're gonna get a lot of talk about those type
of those type of activities.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
But look, we can't go wrong.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I'm just I'm such a fan of what Tatis is
as you know, a player, and hopefully that he continues
to mature and get better as both of these guys,
because it is good for the game when we do
have a chance to discuss guys in this caliber.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Absolutely all right, Mike, we got one more thing to
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Speaker 1 (39:03):
Welcome back to Friar Territory presented by Fox One. Game
four of the World Series is tonight show hal Tani
going for the Dodgers on the Mound versus Shane Bieber
for the blue Jays. Mike, after last night's eighteen inning thriller,
what are you gonna be watching for?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Man? The one thing I'll be watching for is like, look,
we know show Hay who he is. He's a superhuman guy.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
That's like one of those kids that are twelve year old,
twelve year olds that dominated like every single day when
he was when they're little, and he's doing on a
grand stage in the big league level.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Man.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
So I look for show Hay to be really good
from that aspect that the question is going to come in.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
You know, the Toronto Blue Jays are going to be
missing George.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
That's a that's a big, big miss.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
And I do think that the bull Pens will have
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Question marks and how Snyder and Dave decides to navigate this.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I don't think the Blue Jays are scared of show
hair Toney.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
You know, Uh, Show has been dominant when he does pitch,
you know, in these playoffs to an extent. And but
I do think that the ability of the Blue Jays,
like they put the battle of baseball and they it's
not weak contact here.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I mean what I'm saying like they actually understand that.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I think they had a few missed opportunities last night
to put themselves in.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Position, uh to to win this game.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
But I do think that it's gonna be another one
of these heavyweight battles man.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
And and it's been interesting to see. Uh.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
I never thought a World Series game would go eighteen innings,
but it did. And I'm just looking at some of
the numbers, man, there's a lot of getting on base.
I mean, show Hay looked like he had a little
league game night, uh in a.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
In a big league setting the World Series.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
So I mean we can also look to see how
the strength and the longevity of what Show is gonna do.
I think both starting pitchers understand what transpired last night,
and they're gonna need a little bit of lymth out
of these guys. And and everyone's tight. Everyone's worn out
(41:12):
at this point. So it's gonna be interesting to see
from that perspective. And let's just hope the marine layer
doesn't come in too early tonight, otherwise it could be
another long night.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
It'll be hotter here in Los Angeles today than it
was yesterday, was a little cooler. And yeah, you know
as well as anyone during the day, the ball fly
out just find a Dodger Stadium even the early evening.
Once night falls, those balls died at the track, as
we saw Tasker Hernandez in a big way last night.
To me, the camera to be watching for is like
you mentioned the link from the starters both show Heo
(41:44):
Tani and Shane Bieber are in their first years back
from having Tommy John surgery. You look at what they've
done this year. Bieber has thrown six and the third
innings in a start. That's his longest start this year.
Show how Tani's longest start is six innings. Bieber has
not been great here in the postseason. So Game three
against the Yankees and the Alds, he got bombed, he
(42:06):
pitched well and picked up a win for the Blue Jays.
In Game three of the ALCS against the Mariners, that
was a great outing. They definitely need it. But then
in Game seven, three and two thirds seven hits, gave
up a pair of runs again just got hit. He
has not been cy young Shane Bieber, as most guys
are not in their first year back from TJ. Yeah, Otani,
we have seen get stronger and stronger as a pitcher
(42:29):
as the year goes on, and that, of course was
capped by his performance in the NLCS against the Brewers
in Game four, six scoreless innings, you know, ten strikeouts.
But even look at his final starts the regular season again,
six scoreless innings to finish the year against the d Backs.
The start before that, five scoreless innings. Again, he's been
pitching really, really well. I do think this is a
(42:51):
situation where the team who's starting pitcher is still on
the mound the latest in the game probably wins. Just
given the state of these bullpens after last night, given
how tired of all of these headers are going to be,
I do think it would be last man standing in
terms of the starting pitchers, that's.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Who wins the game. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Look and also from a you know show Hayes his aspect,
man like, he has a hit too, So it's going
to be a challenge from that perspective, and I do
think that you know, as we look at this, as
you said, Show has got garnered stronger. He's a big
He's a big guy who throws really hard, and so uh,
(43:30):
Bieber is.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Going to go on a lot of just.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Of his experience and understanding how to get through innings
and and try to work around big situations, put in
this situation where it's going to cause a lot.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Of stress on him at this point.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
And I think that each each manager manager is going
to give these guys who they trust and understand, who
are veteran players, veteran starting pitchers, a little bit more
of a leeway due.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
To the understanding of what's transpired the night before.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
And once again, I do think that the Blue Jays
they need to win this probably more than the Dodgers, do,
you know, given the situation, and you know, I know
that we all know they're going back home anyway, but
giving not necessarily.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
I mean, if the Dodgers close us out in five. Again,
I think there's no question every game is an important game.
There's no question from the Blue Jays perspective, coming back
down three to one against the Dodgers is in proposition,
especially coming off of last night's heartbreaker, you want to
bounce back with a win. You know, my prediction before
(44:43):
the series was Dodgers and six. We didn't get a
chance to talk to you between the time the ALCSN
did and the World Series started, so and be honest, now,
what was your pick going into the series.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
I felt like the Dodgers had the advantage because of
their starting pitching, you know, more than anything.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
I just felt like they had the advantage in that aspect,
and given I.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Think that they were gonna overcome and I thought that
the Dodgers would probably win it in six, you know,
although with a tough battle coming from the Blue Jays,
but just because of.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
The starting pitcher.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Man, you know, the Dodgers have these pitchers that can
and really dominate and shut out teams more so than
the Toronto Blue Jays.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Absolutely, it should be a great one again tonight in
Chavez Ravine, we will all be watching and we will
have coverage of everything coming up here on Friar Territory.
Of course, everything going with the Potters this offseason. I'll
be back with Heath Belayer this week to discuss everything
going on in the World Series. We have got you
covered with Wall to Wall Baseball. Mike, thank you so
much for joining me. We appreciate your expertise and insight as.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Always, Thanks Gott.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
All right, everyone, they'll do it for this edition of
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