December 23, 2024 • 71 mins
Ep. 2 features "The Voice of the Electric Map", Dr. Marc Charisse, a multi-talented essayist, teacher, historian, humorist and tour guide who holds a Ph.D. in Communications and Law from the University of Washington. Former editor of The Hanover Evening Sun for nine years, Marc also was managing editor of the York Dispatch when the latter won a slew of awards for its reporting on the Uprisings of York, PA in 1968 and 1969. A talented magician, Marc is a natural and charismatic storyteller and performer. The Voice of the world-famous Gettysburg Electric Map, located in the heart of HanoverLand, Marc is a compelling tour guide who, on demand, astutely tells the extraordinary sequence of the Civil War's Gettysburg Campaign, including the Battle of Hanover, the First Battle on Free Soil and an important prelude to the Battle of Gettysburg. Marc personifies the Makers’ Spirit of HanoverLand.
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Yeah, hello, Dr. Cherise. My name's Keith. I'm a big fan, long time follower, first time caller.
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And I was wondering if you could help with this. I got this clicking on my knee, like when I move it, it goes...
And I'm really not sure what to do. So if there's anything you can help me with, that would be great. Thanks.
I have a poem for you to mark Cherise's honor. Can I do it?
If you can, you may.
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Okay, here we go. Welcome to season one, episode two of Pan Overland.
The podcast featuring Steve Antonaccio. Say hi, please. Hello.
C.C. McQueen-Vogmer. Hello.
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Wonderful, good. Keith Super K. Stamball. Oh, no!
This is your co-host Matthew Jackson. And we're delighted today to welcome a Hanover character,
I-Ton, tour guide and friend Dr. Mark Schulings, who holds a PhD in communications and law,
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who's a battlefield guide in Gettysburg, who was lasting with us later, but I think he actually proposed to his beautiful wife.
I have a little round top, so we'll get into that later. This guy's the real deal when it comes to the history,
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art and culture. Former managing editor of the York Dispatch, former editor for almost 10 years of the Hanover Evening Sun.
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the esteemed,
wanted professor of Presta Digitation, Dr. Marc Arise. He says he's not really good on radio,
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because he's more comfortable in front of an audience because he has performance, performing
blood inside him, and so we'll start, we'll get it out of the way right away, because it probably,
he probably gets his question way too often. You're the son of a famous dancer?
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Well, not quite the son of a famous dancer. Oh, okay, that's worse, it's more stand-up.
It gets more complicated than that. Sid Cherise was my father's first wife. He was her teacher,
and then they got married, and he was the director of dance at MGM Studios back in the late 40s,
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early 50s. They got a divorce. He married my mother, who was also a dancer, but not a Sid Cherise level
dancer, and people always get that, you know, they always go, oh, you're Sid Cherise's son,
and I have to say no, I'm not, and then they look at me like I'm some kind of fraud, you know,
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so, so I've just stopped saying that for people, right? How do you spell Sid?
C-Y-D. I always wanted to know, so it's not El Sid. And, and action, no, it's Sid, C-Y-D,
and her, her real name was Eunice Finkley. Oh my god, that's a terrible name.
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That's worse than good for you. Sid Cherise is way better than Eunice Finkley.
Oh, yes, she made out there, that's for sure. So, did you ever meet Sid Cherise?
Yes, I mean, I didn't know her well, but yeah, it was still, still within the family. I have a half
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brother, her son, and so we would go over there when my father died, you know, and the family got
together, that was so big. The general dance was her. I never danced with Sid Cherise. It broke my
heart. Can you tell us the story of the birthday cake that fell? Hey, wait, you said there were
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going to be no like trick questions. I'm going to roll. Yeah, yeah, yeah, now my, my mother dropped
my birthday cake when I was five years old, and that's why I'm scarred. I wanted to carry him home
from the grocery store, and she said, no, you can't, you're a clumsy oaf, you will drop it.
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Carmachan called me a clumsy oaf, lost in carmachan. She was a dancer, she was a dancer,
she was graceful, and I was not. We got right out in front of the house, and she slipped in the mud
and dropped the cake, scattered all over the driveway, and she, as she was scooping the soggy
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pieces back into the box, she said, she looked up and I looked down at her with the look that said,
years from now and I'm in therapy, you know why. I got her back though, I got her back, I got her
back, I got a, I saw, I was a, I was about five or six and I saw this other little boy, and he had
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one of those child harnesses on, and I was like, oh, I want one, I want one, mom, mom, please get
me one of those harnesses, she's like, I'm not going to put my son on a leash, that's the grading,
blah blah blah blah, I fussed, I carried on, I had a temper tantrum, she finally breaks down, buys me
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this child harness, we go out to the Owl Rexall drugstore at the corner of Beverly in Los Siena,
in Los Angeles, it's like the big drugstore, and I'm in the toy department, I see a crowd all of a
sudden like clutch this thing, I'm like, oh, oh, oh, please, please take this off, it's choking me, I say.
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She's like, oh my god, at which point I drop to the ground, I'm like rolling around, oh, oh, I can't
breathe, I can't breathe, please, please, I'm just a little boy with no toys, and there's big crowd of
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people, others you know, and they're like, look at that poor little boy, and I'm like, oh man, I'm on a
roll, and then unfortunately the sales lady comes up and she's like, is that Marcheris down there on
the ground? Young man, you're in here more often buying toys than any other child in Los Angeles,
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you get up right now and stop giving your mother such a bad toy. Wow, you had your acting chops right
before. Yes, I mean, was that when you knew you were a thespian? I knew that I belonged to show business,
if you ask me. And is that also the moment when you realized that your destiny was to move to York County?
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It was choking you, you'd like to be a suffocating atmosphere, so do we have a pension for it?
Well, those of you who can't see the little tiny room, I know I'm a cluster for everything. Okay,
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any more questions for the professor?
Well, I have a question. Why are you staring at me?
I'm avoiding that direction. I was wondering if you could help me, I've got this clicking noise on my
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knee when I walk, it goes like, is there anything, what do you, what do you recommend? Well, you come to the right place, PhD stands for Piled High and Deep.
I spent many years in grad school sounding like I know what I'm talking about, even though I don't, so
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what kind of advice would you like? I think you should go on one of our walking tours,
because I'm sure for anything that ails you. Yes. And you can drop a case.
Okay, we say walking tours, that part of the ghost tours, or is that a different thing?
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We call them ghost history and folklore tours. And I don't want to put words in this gentleman's
mouth, but I was a little wary of it, because as a snob, I believe that ghost stories can be ridiculous.
I thought you're wary of it because you're one of the hosts.
Well, I was definitely wary of that, and I was wary of it too.
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I still am. But Dr. Sreese and I, the professor, we decided that we could tell a good history,
smuggling good history while we're talking about folklore, legend and ghosts, and doing
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a responsible, intelligent way that respects the intelligence of the folks that could join us.
And it's been a wonderful experience we did this fall, first time ever, with the Parks and
Recreation Department. But for years prior, this guy's done, I don't know how many tours,
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and it's one of the questions, I don't know if he knows how many tours he's done,
down sound, he never... Ghost tours or... No, no, no, all tours.
All tours. Dozens and dozens. Yeah, incredible. And I like doing it with Mark, because every time
we do this, I learn more. And he's the star performer, and I'm kind of the curator,
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or I make sure people don't get killed. Is that from the ghosts?
Wait a second.
Not from the ghosts.
I don't remember that part of the tour.
I like the excited charge.
I've seen a charge traffic downtown lately. Oh, that's triple.
Oh my god, follow me! And this guy's halfway up Broadway, and I'm escorting strangers with arms
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next to the famous hot wiener. It's very embarrassing.
Well, nobody's gotten hurt yet. And a couple of the...
For how, a couple of people that had ankle and knee injuries report no more pain.
Well, there you go, Super K.
Well, apparently I need to take one of these tours.
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It's right, so it's $77, a non-new ice cream.
You can trust me, I'm a doctor.
Okay.
I want you to have a PayPal account, or you can do GoFundMe with this.
Yeah, I'll go find you.
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Well, so Mark, how did you find out the ghost parts that you intertwined in your walking tour?
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That was the real challenge, was to come up with history stories that were good stories
that had a ghost or a murderer or some sort of dark aspect to them anyway.
And I worked with the librarians at the Pennsylvania room, John and Wendy,
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Abish Magrue, they were academics, they're still around. I'm sure they're very retired by now.
And sticklers for real history.
Right, these are real historians and the kind of people that spend their time taking all the
good stuff out of the history because they can't really prove it. So it was a challenge working
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with us folks because as a journalist, I'm all about not letting the facts get in the way of a
good story. Well, you tell the story and then you say, and here's why the facts don't really
support it, which teaches you something about the nature of facts and the nature of stories.
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And so it was a matter of finding stories that had a sort of band that really reflected on
Hanover's history. Excellent. And you know, when we met, I met people talking on the tour,
that a lot of them were like, well, you know, they weren't all, the ghosts were kind of an
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attraction, but they didn't come for ghosts. They came to find out a little bit about Hanover.
That was really cool. Yeah, that's awesome.
Mark, I'm curious because I see these tours come up every usually they're around Halloween,
you know, time a year in the fall. And I wonder to myself, are there
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particular sites on the tour that exude more paranormal kind of activity than others? Or
is it not looked at from that perspective? Well, I'm a skeptic. I'm a conger or a staid,
you know, magician, like sliding hand kind of magician. Most magicians I know are pretty skeptical
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about paranormal phenomenon because we're in the business of making that stuff up, right?
Sure. Illusions. But I got to say that the first time, the first few tours we did,
I bought one of those little, it's a little handheld device that's supposed to tell you
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paranormal activity in the area. And we got incredible readings right out in front of the
book store, the little Fox bookstore now. What used to be the Reader's Cafe?
Yeah, Reader's Cafe. And that is the site of one of our ghost stories, of course.
Is it really? Yeah, my favorite ghost story about the Reverend George Resser,
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who was the pastor at the UCC Church. He was convinced that the tower leaned one side,
wouldn't listen to common sense. Went up there to check it out one day. Lost his footing.
So it was the tower, yeah. When did that happen? Last week.
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I want to say 1905, but I don't have the dates in front of me. So I'm going to say 1905.
Can you have just called a survey or something? Well, there were people there who see it online.
And that, of course, to me, a good ghost story. And that story has been around for a long time.
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This wasn't something we made up. People have told the story of the Reverend Resser,
because I think it has a point. It has a moral, you know. This guy had everything going for him.
31 years old. He was like getting a big remodel on the church. It was the congregation,
hand over, but he just couldn't leave well enough alone. Was he a heavy drinker or something?
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No, but imagine the house on his other hand, he had the plumb line and one arm,
and he had a famous hot winger. From right down the street. The grease. Now Matt, we dry it off.
That's pretty good food for him. He got ridden up in the Philadelphia Inquirer when he died.
I mean, he was well known among different pastors, something like 30 pastors came to his funeral.
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He was kind of a big deal. So how have we figured out? Is it straight?
Looks like it means to me. I swear it means. But that's just me. I'm a little crooked.
Yeah, I mean to. Yeah, speaking of being a slight of hand, did you see my wallet?
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Well, we'll patch it down the way out.
When he was a student, great question. You talk about places that are potent with energy
and meaning. One of the reasons I love meeting here
is not just because of the intimacy that it affords,
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but because there's history all around us here. And we're almost equal. This one,
as I was thinking this morning, from where George Custer did his heroics right off the
fore, a couple of blocks away. We're also only two blocks away from the world famous electric map,
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of which you're also curator. Can you tell us about the electric map and how people might
be able to see it? Oh, well, they can reach out. We have a Facebook page. And so if someone is
interested, I try to hold out for tours of at least five or six people. And just give me
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what is that Facebook page named? I think it's called the Gettysburg Electric Map.
You look up Gettysburg Electric Map on Facebook. So where is it used to be in Gettysburg? It's now
located in Hanover. It's located. It's hidden away. I'm a second floor at 22 Carlisle Street,
Nanna, or nobody knows where it is, which is kind of cool, you know, no signage or anything.
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Recently had a group of people, they tour, they go down like Route 66 and 30. And they look for
roadside attractions from the 50s. They found the electric, they were ecstatic about the electric
map because it's not even in the place it's supposed to be. You see, it's in Hanover instead
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of Gettysburg. I thought that was super cool. Was that there above the cake bar in the minor
arcade? Yes. But it does tell, you know, even though it's not in Gettysburg, I love how
when those lights light up, it gives you a geographic orientation of commanding General
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Robbie Lee's Northern Assault in the Pennsylvania and how they came out from Maryland. And I love
that about the electric map, the terrain, the directions. You get a sense of this incredible
battle happen almost by accident. I mean, not by accident in terms of the battle, but its location
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was kind of serendipitous or tragic depending on how you look at it. But Hanover is an important
part of the Gettysburg campaign, correct? I think so, yes. I'm not so sure that we'd all be saying
y'all if he thinks he's having won the battle with Hanover, but I think it helps tell the story.
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It certainly, the Union cavalry here in Hanover delayed the Confederates a full day.
And a lot of people want to make the argument that without his cavalry delayed here for a full day,
Robert Lee loses the battle at Gettysburg and maybe loses the Civil War.
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I gotta ask this question because I keep going back and forth in my knowledge. How many people
died in Gettysburg? In Gettysburg? About 9,000. 9,000. You hear that 52,000 thrown out there.
That's casualties, total casualties, which in a military sense are killed, wounded, and missing.
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In other words, anybody who doesn't answer roll call the next morning is a casualty.
To their officers, they're not there, they're not at work. I remember hearing once that the
caravan that left Gettysburg heading south was continuous to DC at one point, like in terms
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of its length. It could have been. I mean, you hear, you know, I've heard that the Army of the
Potomac is really the third largest city in the United States, wherever it happened to be, based
on population. That's not true. Actually, Philadelphia had millions of people by then,
and so did New York, and so did New Orleans. I mean, wasn't his goal to take Harrisburg because
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of the trains? Well, to shut down the supply chain, etc., etc. I think so. I think so. Obviously,
he wants to draw the Army north, threatening Harrisburg is the way to do that. Nobody cares
if you threaten to be an ordinary man. Had he succeeded though in winning Gettysburg, his next stop was
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Harrisburg? Yeah, maybe, but I think
Harrisburg, I mean, there are trains there, but he's way far away from his base of supply.
I think essentially, Robert E. Lee wants to, one, make the Yankees feel the hard hand of war,
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you know, feed his army with blue cows and bulls, and blue horses and all that, and then,
two, hopefully, draw the Union into a battle and win a victory up here. I think a lot of the
marching on to Washington, D.C., and that is sort of after the war. And that is probably the main
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reason why Gettysburg is such a hotbed of paranormal type of ghost stuff. Right, it is the largest and
bloodiest battle of the Civil War. And one of the most active paranormal active sites in the country,
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would you say, or are there more greater ones? Yeah, Gettysburg and several Massachusetts
in the two big, I have a couple of magician friends that are sort of working in that field.
They've kind of come to Gettysburg to check it out. One of them actually was thinking about doing
some regular series here, ended up in Baltimore, the Poe Connection with Baltimore. It works for
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for Spooky Magic. But yeah, I would think Gettysburg and Massachusetts are sailing the witch trials.
New Orleans too, New Orleans probably as well, because of the voodoo connections. But Hanover is
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I read things and I don't remember numbers, but there were a lot of horses that were killed
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in Gettysburg. Yeah, maybe as many as many horses as people, maybe probably more horses, at least
10,000. You figure 9,000 humans killed, at least that many horses and then probably more than that.
They asked me to upwards of a million horses killed during the war.
Oh, crap. They have a hard time getting away at bullets and stuff. They're huge.
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Right, also artillery, your canons are pulled around on the battlefield by horses. And so the enemy
tries to kill your horses. They're shooting at the horses. That makes sense. Because that will
mobilize the guns. In fact, when you go to Gettysburg, take a look at the little plaques that
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describe the various units. The batteries, the artillery units, always talk about the number
of dead horses. They list their horse casualties because it gives you a sense of how tough the
fighting was for them. And how mobile they were after that battle. That is, I think that's a good
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reason why there's so many vultures in this area. Do you notice how many vultures there are?
I've heard that. I've heard that there were no turkey vultures until the battle of Gettysburg.
Yeah. Now, I have read accounts of after the battle, there was not a bird within 100 miles
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of Gettysburg. The noise scared them all out. What was there were flies everywhere. The whole
place was blanketed in like a thick blanket of black flies. That is so gross. Thanks for that.
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I have a book on it. It's just a few things. That's really gross. But no birds that we know of,
at least not right after the battle. But I love the story and I used to tell it back to the, you know,
don't want the facts to get in the way of a good story. Well, these are facts. And this is part of
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the Hartehena Retrio official stop where we actually stopped the conclude our ghost tours
at the cemetery, which is the other place I think has an interesting kind of psychic energy to it
on that tour. No doubt. And the marker there that we research, particularly, and again,
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these numbers, I don't know if you've just read this, but there's a new article that came out
just two weeks ago that said casualty figures in the Civil War are woefully underestimated
over that. So this is this information might be outdated, but this is what we have vetted by
historians today. During the Civil War, although a precise figure is unknown somewhere between 620,000
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and 750,000 soldiers died, that range represents 2% of the nation's total population in 1860.
In the nearby Battle of Kettysburg, the war's bloodiest battles were pointed out about 7,000
died during the battle. And another 30,000 plus died as a result of injuries. Total casualties
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killed with a missing clime of over 51,000, 23,000 with the Union and 20,000 for the Confederacy.
And it's a case point. Lesser known as the war's massive slaughter of pipelines,
horses, mules and dolties. Dolties. Why do I pronounce it like that?
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I'm putting it around your mother's door. So it's black flies covering your face.
Black flies. Do you want to translate that? No, just about. Oh, okay, thank you. I look forward to
you. Look to the sky as you leave tonight, Matt. I was looking up right side of life.
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One estimate, this is amazing to me, 1.5 million equines died in the Civil War.
In the Battle of Kettysburg alone, 7,000, let's see, about 1500 equines were killed in just the
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Battle of Kettysburg. I don't think it would be hard.
You wouldn't. This is a mean just that day. Right. It might be the first day. I'm going to
look up on that. Because usually it's, there's more, I like to use word equines. There's more
much more equines. Right. There are more horses killed than man, usually.
And don't. Don't forget to know, for God's sake. I wonder if there's any relativity to the hand
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over shoe farms and why this is a horse area for that matter. They were certainly looking when
the Confederates came here. They were certainly looking for horses. Wow. Yeah, the shoe farms,
you know, aren't around, but there's still horses there. Yeah. And you have prime agenator
businesses, you know, obviously, there are rural areas, provincial, the hand over comments where
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we start our tours and end them. It's really if you talk to Larry Wallace, our mentor,
he said this town smelled like horses, like all phases of a horse's life because the tan and
even the voucher part of it, because the tan and the hide in the commons.
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These are big families back then.
The tan and the hide.
I've never met them. Oh my God.
You should see their sunsets.
My tan and the hide. There's a lot of hines around here.
The tanning walked in the barn and the bartender said, hey, tan and wind along the face.
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I was trying to be serious for a second.
But the commons itself was a huge center.
You know, horses are everywhere.
Even where we start the tour of Fat Bab Ruri is an old livery and stable before, you know,
yes, they would race horses in the commons is my understanding.
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Race horse, they draw kinds of horses.
This is a horse tan.
A lot of horses around here. Hence the podcast.
That should be our slogan.
Aquiling around.
With gold keys.
Gold keys.
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Now that we've beat this horse here, let's move on to what you're doing.
What you're doing, you're magic.
And what else you do other than, you know, talk to people about how her spirits.
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Yes, I do magic shows. I do the chili cook off every year.
And I do the, I'm over a little kid's section next time next year at the chili cook off.
I avoided the don't call us.
The cook off?
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Yes, I do.
But he does a little on the tour because I do the first tour this year and totally was freaking me out with the number thing.
You were the one freaking out.
That's good.
You just, your brain that fast.
It just, that was what was freaking me out.
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Not that you were getting the answers.
Brain function like that.
There it is.
There it is.
It's very nimble.
A lot of text there either.
Do you have a site that you permit yourself for that business?
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Yeah, I mean some.
Again, I have a Facebook page.
I had a website for a while with stuff on it, but the guy that did it for me forgot to make the payment.
Next thing now.
Now there's Chinese letters up there and no Mark's website.
What's your Facebook page?
How do you spell it?
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Oh, Mark's.
Mark's.
Spell to the C, M-E-R-C-C-H-A-R-I-S-S-E.
Just like Sid.
M-I-C-K-E-R-S-M-O-U-S-C.
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I'm easy to find.
Yes, I do birthday parties and library shows. I do the library beginning and summer and end of summer every year for the last several.
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And that's the Guthrie Library here in town.
One of your other morsels with them connecting the Steve's question about the horse farms is we get this every tour, people say.
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People came here.
And I've seen this in popular culture.
There's even an old Colombo episode where he's talked about to battle at Gettysburg and how people came to Gettysburg for shoes.
Well, there's no shoe company. That doesn't mean we didn't make shoes.
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There's no big factory.
But you have found journal entries where shoes might be a metaphor for something else.
Oh, well, I wouldn't give myself a credit there.
Yeah, there's a...
There's a...
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Well, and I don't remember where this... who I got this from, but from one of those licensed battle for guts, I think.
But there's this idea that the battle at Gettysburg was fought over shoes.
Ken Burns in his Civil War thing says as much, you know.
And the reason we think that is because one of the Confederate commanders, General Henry Heath, after the battle, he told a journalist.
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He said, well, we went to Gettysburg looking for shoes.
And the journalist, of course, wrote it down and then became a mystery.
The battle stuff happens.
And we always wondered about that because there were no shoes in Gettysburg.
And there were no shoes in Gettysburg. B, the Confederates had been through Gettysburg two days before the battle.
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They knew there were no shoes in Gettysburg.
So what did Henry Heath mean?
My favorite explanation is that, well, where do Confederates get their shoes?
Off it did Yankees, of course.
So he went looking to kill some Yankees and that is about to get their shoes.
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Henry Heath put his cannons in the front of his lawn.
He was ragged and he went to Gettysburg looking for a fight.
Well, you don't have any shoes besides those of matter, Steve.
You step on your way to the ground.
I was talking about my shell, going to walk the screen.
Step newspapers here to make a little bit.
The newspapers, shoes, SHOES, were they looking for the family shoe?
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Yeah, shoes. The shoes. They were friends of the Tanner's.
And the Hides.
And the Jackals.
Now I'm really confused.
I know, like, oh.
We should have. Frank called Frank called.
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You know, the great thing about having fun with history, though, is you got to know.
No one's going to believe a single thing you say.
I hate you.
No, as long as you're like credibility.
As long as you're taking your professor credentials, we'll be okay.
My wife says, so, when I answer a question of hers, she says, are you like,
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is this something you actually know?
Or are you just being a PhD again?
She's a tough critic.
I've noticed that she's never joined us or whatever.
She's been around me long enough.
Has she answered to that?
Yeah, actually, we met dancing.
We were married on a little round top.
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To get back to your little comment.
Yeah, it's time for that.
What was the wedding reception like?
The wedding reception was at the Dovenhouse.
Oh, nice.
Was the cake dropped to the ground?
Well, there was the cake.
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We had Lincoln and Mrs. Lincoln on top of the cake.
It's not clever.
I had to buy an extra set of wedding cake figures to get that handled.
I had an extra groom.
I gave it to the lady at the baker.
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I said, here, Casey, I want to those weddings.
She goes, we don't make those kinds of things.
Is it true that your best man was George?
My best man was Guder K. Warren.
Warren Statue.
He's one of my best.
He's the same in the background at the wedding.
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He has the binoculars?
Yeah, he's got the, you know.
Why is Guder Warren important?
Because he's the best man on the wedding.
Oh, okay.
But he actually scouted out.
He scouted out. He saw that the brown top was not well protected
and ran down the backside of the hill and tucked some troops into going up there
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and protecting it.
He's such a scout.
Well, he didn't have much of a career after this.
There's no just.
Oh, that's true.
But for one day, you know, I grew up without shoes.
One of the cool things about Gettysburg is that people like Warren and Hancock,
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this is their one day to be like great heroes.
That's kind of cool.
And then they go back to obscurity.
The real people who did this stuff.
They're so young. They're really young.
During the battle in Hanover, we talk about that.
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Well, as my research for the storyboards, the Heart of Hanover Trail,
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So when we do our Heart of Hanover Trails interviews,
we talk about how young Smith's generals are.
They're all in their 20s.
The customers here ride in this area around the railroad tracks where we're at.
Here on Pennsylvania.
Right. And Hanover is his first, his first battle as a general.
He got his star that day.
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He's like 23, right?
He's like 23 years old.
And he's brash.
He's wearing that ridiculous.
And he didn't do anything crazy for the whole first day.
At Hanover.
No.
But then there's the famous incident in Hunterstown near Bigville, Mexico.
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Yes. This is a horse shot.
Where he really shows how.
He shows his crazy reckless side.
He really does.
What do you do?
Charge, counter charge to a Confederate column.
Got a horse shot out from under him.
I had to have like one of his soldiers scoop him up and save him.
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I'll pull him off the battlefield.
Another dead horse.
Another dead horse.
Like one.
And then.
And then at the Battle of Gettysburg.
He's covered a battlefield.
He shows his valor again.
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And whoops.
Jump, stir it again, right?
Wait Hampton.
But yeah.
Is that the third day or the second day?
That's the third day.
So stir it.
It doesn't get to go to the end of the second day.
Till the end of the second day.
Around midnight.
His troops come in around midnight.
He gets there at the front end of the line, basically.
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And what time?
Noon, a little after.
Oh really?
So he gets to the end of the Battle of Gettysburg,
and there'll be Martin Sheen where it's at night.
It might have been a little earlier than that.
And Martin Sheen wasn't happy with some chips, stir it.
No, he wasn't.
He wasn't.
But it's his own damn fault.
Martin Sheen, I mean, not Robert E. Lee.
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Will be helping the layman us now and forever more.
Was Charlie Sheen a boy?
Yeah, no doubt.
His psychiatrist is an enema last week, Jane Lutch.
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Oh, and you and Michelle.
Is that Eichelberger yet?
Oh wow.
See, was that Eichelberger?
Yeah, that was fantastic.
Shane, if you're listening, give me a call.
Yeah.
So that's my dream in life has always been to play the Eichelberger.
Do you know anybody?
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Yeah, we, you know, a couple of people.
I got a guy.
I don't know if a lot of us back stage, but they might like this.
So speaking of dream jobs, what does it like to work with Max and Max?
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And five core choices.
Jane, where are you?
We need your assistance.
This is Brian and people are saying.
All right, folks, I think we're all in time.
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Hanoverland, a Mason Dixon Marvel.
How long you guys been working together?
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We met when I was editor of the paper here.
We're in a poem because to me one of the most amazing changes in our lifetimes is the death
of the traditional newspaper.
And when they, the printing press in the Harry and the Sun, like when I worked there as a
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17-year-old, 18-year-old, when they're polishing the newspaper, there's something like glorious
and magical about that.
And I would just go down to the basement there and just watch it.
And it's the most beautiful.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
The presses would run around 11 in the morning.
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It was an afternoon paper.
And the building, you know, my office was right above the press room.
And the whole building would shake.
And you'd hear the presses running and like all was right with my world because the presses
were running.
Exactly.
And I even got to yell stop a presses window.
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Wow.
And why was that?
Not everybody gets to do that.
Did not get his hands.
It's probably not working.
We had it working on the day I was working on the day I was working on the day I was
working on the day I was working on a newspaper onStop.
And the entire store, that's fine.
But it all sounded bad.
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I mean, what did you say?
Learned a lot.
Okay.
So haven't you透过 the willy Kim got any ideas about your outing now?
Brand, stop.
No, he records in a bit.
Right?
No.
Sis.
The book features a lot of the wakeup and he's a ticking time.
about a guy who does taxidermy right after on season and sure enough new
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reporter goes out and comes back with another taxidermy story and met a new
editor working on the desk and I forget the headline they had written and I
didn't like the headline I said push that headline up needs some I didn't pay
any attention next thing presses are running on is right with my world I have
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my thumb and rings I pick it up it's the press room they say are you okay with
this headline on the hunting story I'm like what I read it to me and he says
says here man loves animals so much he mounts them for a living
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oh my god
why didn't you let that go?
and they wanted to stop the presses stop the presses and a couple of people were like
come on you know that's full of material there but the thing is when they stop the press they already published 100
right we have one of them do you have one of them?
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it's worth more than the hottest Wagner baseball court. There's two levels of stop the press
there's go on the truck and get the papers off the truck we didn't do that we left the ones that were already had run so
there probably there probably are a couple of hundred of those out that's something that if we do get it.
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yeah yeah yeah so if any money after I set the headline
or a picture of it let us know. And of course we had to call the guy and let him know in case he got one of those two.
Oh my god. And then the editor said well I didn't realize that was an honest mistake I didn't realize what it was
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I said then you're really in trouble because that's what we do we editors you see we look for stuff like that
so if you're not gonna see it then you're not any used to me.
Would you read it there like a Quaker or something?
Yeah how did you read it?
Well sometimes you get wrapped up in the headlines and everything you know.
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I remember I wrote the headline because you're trying to make it fit in the little column or something
and I ended up with a headline DA wants to try two men at once.
Oh.
And they're like oh and they're still laughing and I'm like whoa whoa what?
And I'm like I'm changing and they're like don't change it we'll pretend we didn't see it.
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But depends how big the phone is.
Oh.
So I can see how that stuff happens.
So to wrap this we're having a circle back as they say.
The circle back.
You know I wrote a poem about the death of the printing press.
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And I said it to you you actually published it every evening Sunday said we're not ones to really like dog roll around here.
Right right right that was because Wanda didn't want me to print it.
No she wanted but I respect her.
Because you're going to well and she was right to some extent I mean she was like if you print this you're going to print everybody's awful poem.
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Wait wait wait I wasn't awful.
I wasn't awful.
Well no but in other words once the door is open no matter you know you could be head growling though but
the next poem is going to be awful and that's the one that we're going to have to say no to.
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And so her rule was we don't publish poetry.
Yeah that's a good bright line.
It's probably a good bright line rule.
But thanks for publishing it.
I still have it and I look back on it to the day and I was like wow that's really like a moment in time.
Good.
And actually this gentleman over here is Stephen Anastasia when I wrote that.
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He has this amazing photo.
I still I just don't remember.
Oh I found it the other day by accident.
Behind the old cops which is right across the old union.
They had like a graveyard of newspaper kiosks.
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USA Today primarily.
They had like R2D2s and had lobotomy.
And like a scrap yard.
It was crazy.
I did a shot of it.
USA Todays.
USA Todays took over the paper.
Which made it all the more ironic.
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Right that they weren't even that old and they were dying.
So Steve took this amazing picture of an angle and then he put it into black and white.
I think I manipulated everything into the image to black and white except for the side of the USA thing.
Which was in red and blue.
Now I break my heart.
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It looks like a mazalium.
Blue.
Blue paper.
And a little dash of red.
But you know what this is.
It happened in the 90s.
The wire covered it on HBO about the Baltimore Sun.
Like these layoffs, they started in the 90s right?
And it just.
Yeah.
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And now I don't know what we live in this information anarchy.
Some somebody said nobody, no technology has ever survived the indifference of 25 year olds.
And that's probably true of newspapers for sure.
And of course if I were going to start a media, it wouldn't be involving trees being cut down.
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And some kid throwing paper on everybody's lawn.
I mean the technology is completely and totally out.
Unfortunately, I think there were some things.
I think it bred some good habits.
And we've been joking about facts don't matter and facts do matter.
Sure.
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Facts are very, very important to, you know, to good journalism.
And, but print, print was what drove home the idea that facts matter because they're there.
That headline that has the bad tundra in it is there.
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It doesn't ever go away once it's in print.
I think once we once we've made that change away from print, I in the newsroom, we would start to hear things like, don't worry about it.
We'll let we'll crowd added it.
In other words, if there's mistakes, people will let us know and then we can change them.
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So we don't have to be right.
You write today.
We're going to get a lot of this from this.
Oh my God, I don't think that's good.
I don't think that's good.
I hate it.
I hated having to make new corrections and things like that.
You don't have to do that anymore because it's all, you know, say that the mistake doesn't exist.
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That connects to me.
That connects to that our whole Hannah Raleigh concept really because we I love crowdsourcing.
You know, you learn more.
There are different takes, different nuances.
As long as the participants are good faith, good intention and really want to seek the truth and aren't there to brandish, you know, a sword or or just be obnoxious.
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I'm not just troll.
Hannah Raleigh, you know, we have pretty, pretty good rules where folks, if they want to provide good information and learn from each other, they can.
And there's some good history of Facebook pages too.
Like if you grew up in a Hanover, I forget there was a couple other ones.
Retro York's a pretty good one.
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I can share an article and say, hey, what are your thoughts? Did I get anything wrong and feel like it's a safe thing?
Yeah, no, I'm all for it.
But there's information anarchy if you don't tend that garden really well.
Okay, I am off my bully pulpit now.
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What did we miss here?
What needs to be said yet today?
Well, the best way to get in touch with Dr. Marc Sreese is if they'd like a tour or if they'd like a tour of the electric map, I should say, or or magical performance, or if they'd like to have a birthday cake turned down on the sidewalk outside of their house.
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A magical mystery tour?
Yeah.
You already show up to be wearing a dark collar.
Followed by the vulture.
The vulture in a vest.
Oh, I'm liking this.
This isn't really, you know.
Thank God no one's ever even here this right.
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We have at least four listeners, five perhaps.
I don't forget the gold keys.
And where to, how do we get in touch with Dr.
Yeah, how do we get in touch with Dr.
Performers, magicians, artists sometimes are not the best marketers.
No, and I'm, are you being nervous?
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No, I'm painfully shy.
So you can ask for his services if you want to mount, I mean, if you want to.
Marc Sreese magic on Facebook.
Or you can find me on Facebook.
Or the Hannah Relland Facebook.
Or the Hannah Relland Facebook.
Which Dr. Marc Sreese is a co-administrator.
Whatever that means.
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Well, you're the keeper of the...
I think I might be too, I'm not sure.
Yeah, I think you're a terrific father, honestly.
I love anointed administrators.
I know, I know, every now and then there's a like,
you need to go attend to this thing on the site.
And I get there and it's like...
Matt has already done five times a year.
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Years ago, you know, those people died and went to heaven.
And Vulture's fallen through, fallen through corporal remates.
You're a native land.
The corporal?
Corporal?
Oh, corporal.
Corporal.
Festa, digitization, corporal.
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Well, I just see the military stuff.
I have a poem to read in Marc Sreese's honor.
Can I do it?
If you can.
You may.
Thank you, because we do like artistic outtakes here.
And we hope to have music down the road.
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And I wrote this after a colleague of ours, Mike Hoover, passed away.
And Mike worked, he circled us back.
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He was kind of a mentor to me at the evening sun.
And we covered the Hanover race rise together.
Mike worked when he came to the dispatch.
He and I, and a couple of the reporters were the team that worked on the stories on the
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riots.
Probably the most important story I ever got to be part of.
Mike could be challenging at times.
But he was a good, he was a journalist, journalist.
And he fought really hard to find the truth.
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And to get the three sources.
And he taught me a lot about you got to get your foundational evidence right.
And you got to go outside with your Coca-Cola.
Your mother tells you she loves you, get another source.
And he would do that with Marlboro Red and Coca-Cola.
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And he'd hit the beat and interview people.
So this is called rains.
And it's an ode to seasoned journalists.
How old were you when they looked inside for the rhyme you're made of and the pulp of your
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incoil of finds?
It's just a number anyway.
A symbol of design for actuaries and obituaries to try to define.
These rings, they roll out, roll in.
Marvel, how they go.
I'm not keeping score.
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How life grows.
Some months so tender.
Some full of custa.
During brutal winter, winners.
The rings scrawl their humble toll.
In glorious summers, they swell in gold.
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Each 12 months, smooth or jagged.
One ring sums up the sun.
These rings roll out, roll in.
Marvel, how they go.
Why souls plant seeds whose glory they may never see.
Invisible harvest for the living to reap.
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When they die, may it be said that their best is yet to bless.
These rings roll out, roll in.
Marvel, how they go.
They're not keeping score.
How love blows.
Thank you.
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Very nice.
All right.
That was great.
It was fun. I will say that.
It was more fun than I ever had.
More fun than I ever have on a live mic.
I usually don't like it.
Radio and TV, because I don't have a big enough audience to play.
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That's magic math for you.
He just keeps things up being fun.
We're not only having enough people, because no audience is too small for this guy.
Unless it's like one-on-one, I think.
Well, it's the mic.
Oh, it's the mic.
I think. I don't know.
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I did a little bit of radio in college.
For some, I was a champion speech and debate person.
I didn't know that.
So, it was hard for me to square why I got so like,
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you can put a microphone on.
It's your wall.
I'm going to tap the wall.
That's what I just don't like.
You get a free U.S.S. health.
Put your foot.
As a parting gift.
You get swag here.
Upcycled swag.
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Upcycled swag.
I just want to cover it up.
So, it kind of joins in with my road.
This is my new road.
I like it.
Yes, you guys were a lot of fun.
Good.
Well, thanks, Mark.
Thank you so much for your time.
You're absolutely great.
Yes, you bet.
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Way more exciting than the last one.
I'm going to definitely do a tour.
I'll see you guys by the time next Halloween rolls around.
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Yeah, hello, Dr. Cherise. My name's Keith. I'm a big fan, long time follower, first time caller.
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And I was wondering if you could help with this. I got this clicking on my knee, like when I move it, it goes...
And I'm really not sure what to do. So if there's anything you can help me with, that would be great. Thanks.
I have a poem for you to mark Cherise's honor. Can I do it?
If you can, you may.
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Okay, here we go. Welcome to season one, episode two of Pan Overland.
The podcast featuring Steve Antonaccio. Say hi, please. Hello.
C.C. McQueen-Vogmer. Hello.
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Wonderful, good. Keith Super K. Stamball. Oh, no!
This is your co-host Matthew Jackson. And we're delighted today to welcome a Hanover character,
I-Ton, tour guide and friend Dr. Mark Schulings, who holds a PhD in communications and law,
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who's a battlefield guide in Gettysburg, who was lasting with us later, but I think he actually proposed to his beautiful wife.
I have a little round top, so we'll get into that later. This guy's the real deal when it comes to the history,
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art and culture. Former managing editor of the York Dispatch, former editor for almost 10 years of the Hanover Evening Sun.
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the esteemed,
wanted professor of Presta Digitation, Dr. Marc Arise. He says he's not really good on radio,
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because he's more comfortable in front of an audience because he has performance, performing
blood inside him, and so we'll start, we'll get it out of the way right away, because it probably,
he probably gets his question way too often. You're the son of a famous dancer?
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Well, not quite the son of a famous dancer. Oh, okay, that's worse, it's more stand-up.
It gets more complicated than that. Sid Cherise was my father's first wife. He was her teacher,
and then they got married, and he was the director of dance at MGM Studios back in the late 40s,
(03:27):
early 50s. They got a divorce. He married my mother, who was also a dancer, but not a Sid Cherise level
dancer, and people always get that, you know, they always go, oh, you're Sid Cherise's son,
and I have to say no, I'm not, and then they look at me like I'm some kind of fraud, you know,
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so, so I've just stopped saying that for people, right? How do you spell Sid?
C-Y-D. I always wanted to know, so it's not El Sid. And, and action, no, it's Sid, C-Y-D,
and her, her real name was Eunice Finkley. Oh my god, that's a terrible name.
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That's worse than good for you. Sid Cherise is way better than Eunice Finkley.
Oh, yes, she made out there, that's for sure. So, did you ever meet Sid Cherise?
Yes, I mean, I didn't know her well, but yeah, it was still, still within the family. I have a half
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brother, her son, and so we would go over there when my father died, you know, and the family got
together, that was so big. The general dance was her. I never danced with Sid Cherise. It broke my
heart. Can you tell us the story of the birthday cake that fell? Hey, wait, you said there were
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going to be no like trick questions. I'm going to roll. Yeah, yeah, yeah, now my, my mother dropped
my birthday cake when I was five years old, and that's why I'm scarred. I wanted to carry him home
from the grocery store, and she said, no, you can't, you're a clumsy oaf, you will drop it.
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Carmachan called me a clumsy oaf, lost in carmachan. She was a dancer, she was a dancer,
she was graceful, and I was not. We got right out in front of the house, and she slipped in the mud
and dropped the cake, scattered all over the driveway, and she, as she was scooping the soggy
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pieces back into the box, she said, she looked up and I looked down at her with the look that said,
years from now and I'm in therapy, you know why. I got her back though, I got her back, I got her
back, I got a, I saw, I was a, I was about five or six and I saw this other little boy, and he had
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one of those child harnesses on, and I was like, oh, I want one, I want one, mom, mom, please get
me one of those harnesses, she's like, I'm not going to put my son on a leash, that's the grading,
blah blah blah blah, I fussed, I carried on, I had a temper tantrum, she finally breaks down, buys me
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this child harness, we go out to the Owl Rexall drugstore at the corner of Beverly in Los Siena,
in Los Angeles, it's like the big drugstore, and I'm in the toy department, I see a crowd all of a
sudden like clutch this thing, I'm like, oh, oh, oh, please, please take this off, it's choking me, I say.
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She's like, oh my god, at which point I drop to the ground, I'm like rolling around, oh, oh, I can't
breathe, I can't breathe, please, please, I'm just a little boy with no toys, and there's big crowd of
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people, others you know, and they're like, look at that poor little boy, and I'm like, oh man, I'm on a
roll, and then unfortunately the sales lady comes up and she's like, is that Marcheris down there on
the ground? Young man, you're in here more often buying toys than any other child in Los Angeles,
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you get up right now and stop giving your mother such a bad toy. Wow, you had your acting chops right
before. Yes, I mean, was that when you knew you were a thespian? I knew that I belonged to show business,
if you ask me. And is that also the moment when you realized that your destiny was to move to York County?
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It was choking you, you'd like to be a suffocating atmosphere, so do we have a pension for it?
Well, those of you who can't see the little tiny room, I know I'm a cluster for everything. Okay,
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any more questions for the professor?
Well, I have a question. Why are you staring at me?
I'm avoiding that direction. I was wondering if you could help me, I've got this clicking noise on my
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knee when I walk, it goes like, is there anything, what do you, what do you recommend? Well, you come to the right place, PhD stands for Piled High and Deep.
I spent many years in grad school sounding like I know what I'm talking about, even though I don't, so
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what kind of advice would you like? I think you should go on one of our walking tours,
because I'm sure for anything that ails you. Yes. And you can drop a case.
Okay, we say walking tours, that part of the ghost tours, or is that a different thing?
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We call them ghost history and folklore tours. And I don't want to put words in this gentleman's
mouth, but I was a little wary of it, because as a snob, I believe that ghost stories can be ridiculous.
I thought you're wary of it because you're one of the hosts.
Well, I was definitely wary of that, and I was wary of it too.
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I still am. But Dr. Sreese and I, the professor, we decided that we could tell a good history,
smuggling good history while we're talking about folklore, legend and ghosts, and doing
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a responsible, intelligent way that respects the intelligence of the folks that could join us.
And it's been a wonderful experience we did this fall, first time ever, with the Parks and
Recreation Department. But for years prior, this guy's done, I don't know how many tours,
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and it's one of the questions, I don't know if he knows how many tours he's done,
down sound, he never... Ghost tours or... No, no, no, all tours.
All tours. Dozens and dozens. Yeah, incredible. And I like doing it with Mark, because every time
we do this, I learn more. And he's the star performer, and I'm kind of the curator,
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or I make sure people don't get killed. Is that from the ghosts?
Wait a second.
Not from the ghosts.
I don't remember that part of the tour.
I like the excited charge.
I've seen a charge traffic downtown lately. Oh, that's triple.
Oh my god, follow me! And this guy's halfway up Broadway, and I'm escorting strangers with arms
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next to the famous hot wiener. It's very embarrassing.
Well, nobody's gotten hurt yet. And a couple of the...
For how, a couple of people that had ankle and knee injuries report no more pain.
Well, there you go, Super K.
Well, apparently I need to take one of these tours.
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It's right, so it's $77, a non-new ice cream.
You can trust me, I'm a doctor.
Okay.
I want you to have a PayPal account, or you can do GoFundMe with this.
Yeah, I'll go find you.
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Well, so Mark, how did you find out the ghost parts that you intertwined in your walking tour?
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That was the real challenge, was to come up with history stories that were good stories
that had a ghost or a murderer or some sort of dark aspect to them anyway.
And I worked with the librarians at the Pennsylvania room, John and Wendy,
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Abish Magrue, they were academics, they're still around. I'm sure they're very retired by now.
And sticklers for real history.
Right, these are real historians and the kind of people that spend their time taking all the
good stuff out of the history because they can't really prove it. So it was a challenge working
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with us folks because as a journalist, I'm all about not letting the facts get in the way of a
good story. Well, you tell the story and then you say, and here's why the facts don't really
support it, which teaches you something about the nature of facts and the nature of stories.
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And so it was a matter of finding stories that had a sort of band that really reflected on
Hanover's history. Excellent. And you know, when we met, I met people talking on the tour,
that a lot of them were like, well, you know, they weren't all, the ghosts were kind of an
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attraction, but they didn't come for ghosts. They came to find out a little bit about Hanover.
That was really cool. Yeah, that's awesome.
Mark, I'm curious because I see these tours come up every usually they're around Halloween,
you know, time a year in the fall. And I wonder to myself, are there
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particular sites on the tour that exude more paranormal kind of activity than others? Or
is it not looked at from that perspective? Well, I'm a skeptic. I'm a conger or a staid,
you know, magician, like sliding hand kind of magician. Most magicians I know are pretty skeptical
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about paranormal phenomenon because we're in the business of making that stuff up, right?
Sure. Illusions. But I got to say that the first time, the first few tours we did,
I bought one of those little, it's a little handheld device that's supposed to tell you
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paranormal activity in the area. And we got incredible readings right out in front of the
book store, the little Fox bookstore now. What used to be the Reader's Cafe?
Yeah, Reader's Cafe. And that is the site of one of our ghost stories, of course.
Is it really? Yeah, my favorite ghost story about the Reverend George Resser,
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who was the pastor at the UCC Church. He was convinced that the tower leaned one side,
wouldn't listen to common sense. Went up there to check it out one day. Lost his footing.
So it was the tower, yeah. When did that happen? Last week.
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I want to say 1905, but I don't have the dates in front of me. So I'm going to say 1905.
Can you have just called a survey or something? Well, there were people there who see it online.
And that, of course, to me, a good ghost story. And that story has been around for a long time.
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This wasn't something we made up. People have told the story of the Reverend Resser,
because I think it has a point. It has a moral, you know. This guy had everything going for him.
31 years old. He was like getting a big remodel on the church. It was the congregation,
hand over, but he just couldn't leave well enough alone. Was he a heavy drinker or something?
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No, but imagine the house on his other hand, he had the plumb line and one arm,
and he had a famous hot winger. From right down the street. The grease. Now Matt, we dry it off.
That's pretty good food for him. He got ridden up in the Philadelphia Inquirer when he died.
I mean, he was well known among different pastors, something like 30 pastors came to his funeral.
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He was kind of a big deal. So how have we figured out? Is it straight?
Looks like it means to me. I swear it means. But that's just me. I'm a little crooked.
Yeah, I mean to. Yeah, speaking of being a slight of hand, did you see my wallet?
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Well, we'll patch it down the way out.
When he was a student, great question. You talk about places that are potent with energy
and meaning. One of the reasons I love meeting here
is not just because of the intimacy that it affords,
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but because there's history all around us here. And we're almost equal. This one,
as I was thinking this morning, from where George Custer did his heroics right off the
fore, a couple of blocks away. We're also only two blocks away from the world famous electric map,
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of which you're also curator. Can you tell us about the electric map and how people might
be able to see it? Oh, well, they can reach out. We have a Facebook page. And so if someone is
interested, I try to hold out for tours of at least five or six people. And just give me
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what is that Facebook page named? I think it's called the Gettysburg Electric Map.
You look up Gettysburg Electric Map on Facebook. So where is it used to be in Gettysburg? It's now
located in Hanover. It's located. It's hidden away. I'm a second floor at 22 Carlisle Street,
Nanna, or nobody knows where it is, which is kind of cool, you know, no signage or anything.
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Recently had a group of people, they tour, they go down like Route 66 and 30. And they look for
roadside attractions from the 50s. They found the electric, they were ecstatic about the electric
map because it's not even in the place it's supposed to be. You see, it's in Hanover instead
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of Gettysburg. I thought that was super cool. Was that there above the cake bar in the minor
arcade? Yes. But it does tell, you know, even though it's not in Gettysburg, I love how
when those lights light up, it gives you a geographic orientation of commanding General
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Robbie Lee's Northern Assault in the Pennsylvania and how they came out from Maryland. And I love
that about the electric map, the terrain, the directions. You get a sense of this incredible
battle happen almost by accident. I mean, not by accident in terms of the battle, but its location
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was kind of serendipitous or tragic depending on how you look at it. But Hanover is an important
part of the Gettysburg campaign, correct? I think so, yes. I'm not so sure that we'd all be saying
y'all if he thinks he's having won the battle with Hanover, but I think it helps tell the story.
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It certainly, the Union cavalry here in Hanover delayed the Confederates a full day.
And a lot of people want to make the argument that without his cavalry delayed here for a full day,
Robert Lee loses the battle at Gettysburg and maybe loses the Civil War.
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I gotta ask this question because I keep going back and forth in my knowledge. How many people
died in Gettysburg? In Gettysburg? About 9,000. 9,000. You hear that 52,000 thrown out there.
That's casualties, total casualties, which in a military sense are killed, wounded, and missing.
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In other words, anybody who doesn't answer roll call the next morning is a casualty.
To their officers, they're not there, they're not at work. I remember hearing once that the
caravan that left Gettysburg heading south was continuous to DC at one point, like in terms
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of its length. It could have been. I mean, you hear, you know, I've heard that the Army of the
Potomac is really the third largest city in the United States, wherever it happened to be, based
on population. That's not true. Actually, Philadelphia had millions of people by then,
and so did New York, and so did New Orleans. I mean, wasn't his goal to take Harrisburg because
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of the trains? Well, to shut down the supply chain, etc., etc. I think so. I think so. Obviously,
he wants to draw the Army north, threatening Harrisburg is the way to do that. Nobody cares
if you threaten to be an ordinary man. Had he succeeded though in winning Gettysburg, his next stop was
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Harrisburg? Yeah, maybe, but I think
Harrisburg, I mean, there are trains there, but he's way far away from his base of supply.
I think essentially, Robert E. Lee wants to, one, make the Yankees feel the hard hand of war,
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you know, feed his army with blue cows and bulls, and blue horses and all that, and then,
two, hopefully, draw the Union into a battle and win a victory up here. I think a lot of the
marching on to Washington, D.C., and that is sort of after the war. And that is probably the main
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reason why Gettysburg is such a hotbed of paranormal type of ghost stuff. Right, it is the largest and
bloodiest battle of the Civil War. And one of the most active paranormal active sites in the country,
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would you say, or are there more greater ones? Yeah, Gettysburg and several Massachusetts
in the two big, I have a couple of magician friends that are sort of working in that field.
They've kind of come to Gettysburg to check it out. One of them actually was thinking about doing
some regular series here, ended up in Baltimore, the Poe Connection with Baltimore. It works for
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for Spooky Magic. But yeah, I would think Gettysburg and Massachusetts are sailing the witch trials.
New Orleans too, New Orleans probably as well, because of the voodoo connections. But Hanover is
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I read things and I don't remember numbers, but there were a lot of horses that were killed
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in Gettysburg. Yeah, maybe as many as many horses as people, maybe probably more horses, at least
10,000. You figure 9,000 humans killed, at least that many horses and then probably more than that.
They asked me to upwards of a million horses killed during the war.
Oh, crap. They have a hard time getting away at bullets and stuff. They're huge.
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Right, also artillery, your canons are pulled around on the battlefield by horses. And so the enemy
tries to kill your horses. They're shooting at the horses. That makes sense. Because that will
mobilize the guns. In fact, when you go to Gettysburg, take a look at the little plaques that
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describe the various units. The batteries, the artillery units, always talk about the number
of dead horses. They list their horse casualties because it gives you a sense of how tough the
fighting was for them. And how mobile they were after that battle. That is, I think that's a good
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reason why there's so many vultures in this area. Do you notice how many vultures there are?
I've heard that. I've heard that there were no turkey vultures until the battle of Gettysburg.
Yeah. Now, I have read accounts of after the battle, there was not a bird within 100 miles
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of Gettysburg. The noise scared them all out. What was there were flies everywhere. The whole
place was blanketed in like a thick blanket of black flies. That is so gross. Thanks for that.
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I have a book on it. It's just a few things. That's really gross. But no birds that we know of,
at least not right after the battle. But I love the story and I used to tell it back to the, you know,
don't want the facts to get in the way of a good story. Well, these are facts. And this is part of
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the Hartehena Retrio official stop where we actually stopped the conclude our ghost tours
at the cemetery, which is the other place I think has an interesting kind of psychic energy to it
on that tour. No doubt. And the marker there that we research, particularly, and again,
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these numbers, I don't know if you've just read this, but there's a new article that came out
just two weeks ago that said casualty figures in the Civil War are woefully underestimated
over that. So this is this information might be outdated, but this is what we have vetted by
historians today. During the Civil War, although a precise figure is unknown somewhere between 620,000
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and 750,000 soldiers died, that range represents 2% of the nation's total population in 1860.
In the nearby Battle of Kettysburg, the war's bloodiest battles were pointed out about 7,000
died during the battle. And another 30,000 plus died as a result of injuries. Total casualties
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killed with a missing clime of over 51,000, 23,000 with the Union and 20,000 for the Confederacy.
And it's a case point. Lesser known as the war's massive slaughter of pipelines,
horses, mules and dolties. Dolties. Why do I pronounce it like that?
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I'm putting it around your mother's door. So it's black flies covering your face.
Black flies. Do you want to translate that? No, just about. Oh, okay, thank you. I look forward to
you. Look to the sky as you leave tonight, Matt. I was looking up right side of life.
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One estimate, this is amazing to me, 1.5 million equines died in the Civil War.
In the Battle of Kettysburg alone, 7,000, let's see, about 1500 equines were killed in just the
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Battle of Kettysburg. I don't think it would be hard.
You wouldn't. This is a mean just that day. Right. It might be the first day. I'm going to
look up on that. Because usually it's, there's more, I like to use word equines. There's more
much more equines. Right. There are more horses killed than man, usually.
And don't. Don't forget to know, for God's sake. I wonder if there's any relativity to the hand
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over shoe farms and why this is a horse area for that matter. They were certainly looking when
the Confederates came here. They were certainly looking for horses. Wow. Yeah, the shoe farms,
you know, aren't around, but there's still horses there. Yeah. And you have prime agenator
businesses, you know, obviously, there are rural areas, provincial, the hand over comments where
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we start our tours and end them. It's really if you talk to Larry Wallace, our mentor,
he said this town smelled like horses, like all phases of a horse's life because the tan and
even the voucher part of it, because the tan and the hide in the commons.
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These are big families back then.
The tan and the hide.
I've never met them. Oh my God.
You should see their sunsets.
My tan and the hide. There's a lot of hines around here.
The tanning walked in the barn and the bartender said, hey, tan and wind along the face.
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I was trying to be serious for a second.
But the commons itself was a huge center.
You know, horses are everywhere.
Even where we start the tour of Fat Bab Ruri is an old livery and stable before, you know,
yes, they would race horses in the commons is my understanding.
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Race horse, they draw kinds of horses.
This is a horse tan.
A lot of horses around here. Hence the podcast.
That should be our slogan.
Aquiling around.
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Gold keys.
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Now that we've beat this horse here, let's move on to what you're doing.
What you're doing, you're magic.
And what else you do other than, you know, talk to people about how her spirits.
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Yes, I do magic shows. I do the chili cook off every year.
And I do the, I'm over a little kid's section next time next year at the chili cook off.
I avoided the don't call us.
The cook off?
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Yes, I do.
But he does a little on the tour because I do the first tour this year and totally was freaking me out with the number thing.
You were the one freaking out.
That's good.
You just, your brain that fast.
It just, that was what was freaking me out.
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Not that you were getting the answers.
Brain function like that.
There it is.
There it is.
It's very nimble.
A lot of text there either.
Do you have a site that you permit yourself for that business?
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Yeah, I mean some.
Again, I have a Facebook page.
I had a website for a while with stuff on it, but the guy that did it for me forgot to make the payment.
Next thing now.
Now there's Chinese letters up there and no Mark's website.
What's your Facebook page?
How do you spell it?
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Oh, Mark's.
Mark's.
Spell to the C, M-E-R-C-C-H-A-R-I-S-S-E.
Just like Sid.
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I'm easy to find.
Yes, I do birthday parties and library shows. I do the library beginning and summer and end of summer every year for the last several.
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And that's the Guthrie Library here in town.
One of your other morsels with them connecting the Steve's question about the horse farms is we get this every tour, people say.
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People came here.
And I've seen this in popular culture.
There's even an old Colombo episode where he's talked about to battle at Gettysburg and how people came to Gettysburg for shoes.
Well, there's no shoe company. That doesn't mean we didn't make shoes.
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There's no big factory.
But you have found journal entries where shoes might be a metaphor for something else.
Oh, well, I wouldn't give myself a credit there.
Yeah, there's a...
There's a...
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Well, and I don't remember where this... who I got this from, but from one of those licensed battle for guts, I think.
But there's this idea that the battle at Gettysburg was fought over shoes.
Ken Burns in his Civil War thing says as much, you know.
And the reason we think that is because one of the Confederate commanders, General Henry Heath, after the battle, he told a journalist.
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He said, well, we went to Gettysburg looking for shoes.
And the journalist, of course, wrote it down and then became a mystery.
The battle stuff happens.
And we always wondered about that because there were no shoes in Gettysburg.
And there were no shoes in Gettysburg. B, the Confederates had been through Gettysburg two days before the battle.
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They knew there were no shoes in Gettysburg.
So what did Henry Heath mean?
My favorite explanation is that, well, where do Confederates get their shoes?
Off it did Yankees, of course.
So he went looking to kill some Yankees and that is about to get their shoes.
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Henry Heath put his cannons in the front of his lawn.
He was ragged and he went to Gettysburg looking for a fight.
Well, you don't have any shoes besides those of matter, Steve.
You step on your way to the ground.
I was talking about my shell, going to walk the screen.
Step newspapers here to make a little bit.
The newspapers, shoes, SHOES, were they looking for the family shoe?
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Yeah, shoes. The shoes. They were friends of the Tanner's.
And the Hides.
And the Jackals.
Now I'm really confused.
I know, like, oh.
We should have. Frank called Frank called.
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You know, the great thing about having fun with history, though, is you got to know.
No one's going to believe a single thing you say.
I hate you.
No, as long as you're like credibility.
As long as you're taking your professor credentials, we'll be okay.
My wife says, so, when I answer a question of hers, she says, are you like,
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is this something you actually know?
Or are you just being a PhD again?
She's a tough critic.
I've noticed that she's never joined us or whatever.
She's been around me long enough.
Has she answered to that?
Yeah, actually, we met dancing.
We were married on a little round top.
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To get back to your little comment.
Yeah, it's time for that.
What was the wedding reception like?
The wedding reception was at the Dovenhouse.
Oh, nice.
Was the cake dropped to the ground?
Well, there was the cake.
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We had Lincoln and Mrs. Lincoln on top of the cake.
It's not clever.
I had to buy an extra set of wedding cake figures to get that handled.
I had an extra groom.
I gave it to the lady at the baker.
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I said, here, Casey, I want to those weddings.
She goes, we don't make those kinds of things.
Is it true that your best man was George?
My best man was Guder K. Warren.
Warren Statue.
He's one of my best.
He's the same in the background at the wedding.
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He has the binoculars?
Yeah, he's got the, you know.
Why is Guder Warren important?
Because he's the best man on the wedding.
Oh, okay.
But he actually scouted out.
He scouted out. He saw that the brown top was not well protected
and ran down the backside of the hill and tucked some troops into going up there
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and protecting it.
He's such a scout.
Well, he didn't have much of a career after this.
There's no just.
Oh, that's true.
But for one day, you know, I grew up without shoes.
One of the cool things about Gettysburg is that people like Warren and Hancock,
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this is their one day to be like great heroes.
That's kind of cool.
And then they go back to obscurity.
The real people who did this stuff.
They're so young. They're really young.
During the battle in Hanover, we talk about that.
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Well, as my research for the storyboards, the Heart of Hanover Trail,
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So when we do our Heart of Hanover Trails interviews,
we talk about how young Smith's generals are.
They're all in their 20s.
The customers here ride in this area around the railroad tracks where we're at.
Here on Pennsylvania.
Right. And Hanover is his first, his first battle as a general.
He got his star that day.
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He's like 23, right?
He's like 23 years old.
And he's brash.
He's wearing that ridiculous.
And he didn't do anything crazy for the whole first day.
At Hanover.
No.
But then there's the famous incident in Hunterstown near Bigville, Mexico.
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Yes. This is a horse shot.
Where he really shows how.
He shows his crazy reckless side.
He really does.
What do you do?
Charge, counter charge to a Confederate column.
Got a horse shot out from under him.
I had to have like one of his soldiers scoop him up and save him.
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I'll pull him off the battlefield.
Another dead horse.
Another dead horse.
Like one.
And then.
And then at the Battle of Gettysburg.
He's covered a battlefield.
He shows his valor again.
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And whoops.
Jump, stir it again, right?
Wait Hampton.
But yeah.
Is that the third day or the second day?
That's the third day.
So stir it.
It doesn't get to go to the end of the second day.
Till the end of the second day.
Around midnight.
His troops come in around midnight.
He gets there at the front end of the line, basically.
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And what time?
Noon, a little after.
Oh really?
So he gets to the end of the Battle of Gettysburg,
and there'll be Martin Sheen where it's at night.
It might have been a little earlier than that.
And Martin Sheen wasn't happy with some chips, stir it.
No, he wasn't.
He wasn't.
But it's his own damn fault.
Martin Sheen, I mean, not Robert E. Lee.
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Will be helping the layman us now and forever more.
Was Charlie Sheen a boy?
Yeah, no doubt.
His psychiatrist is an enema last week, Jane Lutch.
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Oh, and you and Michelle.
Is that Eichelberger yet?
Oh wow.
See, was that Eichelberger?
Yeah, that was fantastic.
Shane, if you're listening, give me a call.
Yeah.
So that's my dream in life has always been to play the Eichelberger.
Do you know anybody?
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Yeah, we, you know, a couple of people.
I got a guy.
I don't know if a lot of us back stage, but they might like this.
So speaking of dream jobs, what does it like to work with Max and Max?
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How long you guys been working together?
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We met when I was editor of the paper here.
We're in a poem because to me one of the most amazing changes in our lifetimes is the death
of the traditional newspaper.
And when they, the printing press in the Harry and the Sun, like when I worked there as a
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17-year-old, 18-year-old, when they're polishing the newspaper, there's something like glorious
and magical about that.
And I would just go down to the basement there and just watch it.
And it's the most beautiful.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
The presses would run around 11 in the morning.
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It was an afternoon paper.
And the building, you know, my office was right above the press room.
And the whole building would shake.
And you'd hear the presses running and like all was right with my world because the presses
were running.
Exactly.
And I even got to yell stop a presses window.
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Wow.
And why was that?
Not everybody gets to do that.
Did not get his hands.
It's probably not working.
We had it working on the day I was working on the day I was working on the day I was
working on the day I was working on a newspaper onStop.
And the entire store, that's fine.
But it all sounded bad.
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I mean, what did you say?
Learned a lot.
Okay.
So haven't you透过 the willy Kim got any ideas about your outing now?
Brand, stop.
No, he records in a bit.
Right?
No.
Sis.
The book features a lot of the wakeup and he's a ticking time.
about a guy who does taxidermy right after on season and sure enough new
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reporter goes out and comes back with another taxidermy story and met a new
editor working on the desk and I forget the headline they had written and I
didn't like the headline I said push that headline up needs some I didn't pay
any attention next thing presses are running on is right with my world I have
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my thumb and rings I pick it up it's the press room they say are you okay with
this headline on the hunting story I'm like what I read it to me and he says
says here man loves animals so much he mounts them for a living
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oh my god
why didn't you let that go?
and they wanted to stop the presses stop the presses and a couple of people were like
come on you know that's full of material there but the thing is when they stop the press they already published 100
right we have one of them do you have one of them?
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it's worth more than the hottest Wagner baseball court. There's two levels of stop the press
there's go on the truck and get the papers off the truck we didn't do that we left the ones that were already had run so
there probably there probably are a couple of hundred of those out that's something that if we do get it.
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yeah yeah yeah so if any money after I set the headline
or a picture of it let us know. And of course we had to call the guy and let him know in case he got one of those two.
Oh my god. And then the editor said well I didn't realize that was an honest mistake I didn't realize what it was
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I said then you're really in trouble because that's what we do we editors you see we look for stuff like that
so if you're not gonna see it then you're not any used to me.
Would you read it there like a Quaker or something?
Yeah how did you read it?
Well sometimes you get wrapped up in the headlines and everything you know.
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I remember I wrote the headline because you're trying to make it fit in the little column or something
and I ended up with a headline DA wants to try two men at once.
Oh.
And they're like oh and they're still laughing and I'm like whoa whoa what?
And I'm like I'm changing and they're like don't change it we'll pretend we didn't see it.
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But depends how big the phone is.
Oh.
So I can see how that stuff happens.
So to wrap this we're having a circle back as they say.
The circle back.
You know I wrote a poem about the death of the printing press.
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And I said it to you you actually published it every evening Sunday said we're not ones to really like dog roll around here.
Right right right that was because Wanda didn't want me to print it.
No she wanted but I respect her.
Because you're going to well and she was right to some extent I mean she was like if you print this you're going to print everybody's awful poem.
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Wait wait wait I wasn't awful.
I wasn't awful.
Well no but in other words once the door is open no matter you know you could be head growling though but
the next poem is going to be awful and that's the one that we're going to have to say no to.
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And so her rule was we don't publish poetry.
Yeah that's a good bright line.
It's probably a good bright line rule.
But thanks for publishing it.
I still have it and I look back on it to the day and I was like wow that's really like a moment in time.
Good.
And actually this gentleman over here is Stephen Anastasia when I wrote that.
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He has this amazing photo.
I still I just don't remember.
Oh I found it the other day by accident.
Behind the old cops which is right across the old union.
They had like a graveyard of newspaper kiosks.
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USA Today primarily.
They had like R2D2s and had lobotomy.
And like a scrap yard.
It was crazy.
I did a shot of it.
USA Todays.
USA Todays took over the paper.
Which made it all the more ironic.
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Right that they weren't even that old and they were dying.
So Steve took this amazing picture of an angle and then he put it into black and white.
I think I manipulated everything into the image to black and white except for the side of the USA thing.
Which was in red and blue.
Now I break my heart.
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It looks like a mazalium.
Blue.
Blue paper.
And a little dash of red.
But you know what this is.
It happened in the 90s.
The wire covered it on HBO about the Baltimore Sun.
Like these layoffs, they started in the 90s right?
And it just.
Yeah.
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And now I don't know what we live in this information anarchy.
Some somebody said nobody, no technology has ever survived the indifference of 25 year olds.
And that's probably true of newspapers for sure.
And of course if I were going to start a media, it wouldn't be involving trees being cut down.
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And some kid throwing paper on everybody's lawn.
I mean the technology is completely and totally out.
Unfortunately, I think there were some things.
I think it bred some good habits.
And we've been joking about facts don't matter and facts do matter.
Sure.
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Facts are very, very important to, you know, to good journalism.
And, but print, print was what drove home the idea that facts matter because they're there.
That headline that has the bad tundra in it is there.
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It doesn't ever go away once it's in print.
I think once we once we've made that change away from print, I in the newsroom, we would start to hear things like, don't worry about it.
We'll let we'll crowd added it.
In other words, if there's mistakes, people will let us know and then we can change them.
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So we don't have to be right.
You write today.
We're going to get a lot of this from this.
Oh my God, I don't think that's good.
I don't think that's good.
I hate it.
I hated having to make new corrections and things like that.
You don't have to do that anymore because it's all, you know, say that the mistake doesn't exist.
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That connects to me.
That connects to that our whole Hannah Raleigh concept really because we I love crowdsourcing.
You know, you learn more.
There are different takes, different nuances.
As long as the participants are good faith, good intention and really want to seek the truth and aren't there to brandish, you know, a sword or or just be obnoxious.
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I'm not just troll.
Hannah Raleigh, you know, we have pretty, pretty good rules where folks, if they want to provide good information and learn from each other, they can.
And there's some good history of Facebook pages too.
Like if you grew up in a Hanover, I forget there was a couple other ones.
Retro York's a pretty good one.
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I can share an article and say, hey, what are your thoughts? Did I get anything wrong and feel like it's a safe thing?
Yeah, no, I'm all for it.
But there's information anarchy if you don't tend that garden really well.
Okay, I am off my bully pulpit now.
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What did we miss here?
What needs to be said yet today?
Well, the best way to get in touch with Dr. Marc Sreese is if they'd like a tour or if they'd like a tour of the electric map, I should say, or or magical performance, or if they'd like to have a birthday cake turned down on the sidewalk outside of their house.
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A magical mystery tour?
Yeah.
You already show up to be wearing a dark collar.
Followed by the vulture.
The vulture in a vest.
Oh, I'm liking this.
This isn't really, you know.
Thank God no one's ever even here this right.
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We have at least four listeners, five perhaps.
I don't forget the gold keys.
And where to, how do we get in touch with Dr.
Yeah, how do we get in touch with Dr.
Performers, magicians, artists sometimes are not the best marketers.
No, and I'm, are you being nervous?
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No, I'm painfully shy.
So you can ask for his services if you want to mount, I mean, if you want to.
Marc Sreese magic on Facebook.
Or you can find me on Facebook.
Or the Hannah Relland Facebook.
Or the Hannah Relland Facebook.
Which Dr. Marc Sreese is a co-administrator.
Whatever that means.
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Well, you're the keeper of the...
I think I might be too, I'm not sure.
Yeah, I think you're a terrific father, honestly.
I love anointed administrators.
I know, I know, every now and then there's a like,
you need to go attend to this thing on the site.
And I get there and it's like...
Matt has already done five times a year.
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Years ago, you know, those people died and went to heaven.
And Vulture's fallen through, fallen through corporal remates.
You're a native land.
The corporal?
Corporal?
Oh, corporal.
Corporal.
Festa, digitization, corporal.
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Well, I just see the military stuff.
I have a poem to read in Marc Sreese's honor.
Can I do it?
If you can.
You may.
Thank you, because we do like artistic outtakes here.
And we hope to have music down the road.
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And I wrote this after a colleague of ours, Mike Hoover, passed away.
And Mike worked, he circled us back.
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He was kind of a mentor to me at the evening sun.
And we covered the Hanover race rise together.
Mike worked when he came to the dispatch.
He and I, and a couple of the reporters were the team that worked on the stories on the
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riots.
Probably the most important story I ever got to be part of.
Mike could be challenging at times.
But he was a good, he was a journalist, journalist.
And he fought really hard to find the truth.
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And to get the three sources.
And he taught me a lot about you got to get your foundational evidence right.
And you got to go outside with your Coca-Cola.
Your mother tells you she loves you, get another source.
And he would do that with Marlboro Red and Coca-Cola.
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And he'd hit the beat and interview people.
So this is called rains.
And it's an ode to seasoned journalists.
How old were you when they looked inside for the rhyme you're made of and the pulp of your
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incoil of finds?
It's just a number anyway.
A symbol of design for actuaries and obituaries to try to define.
These rings, they roll out, roll in.
Marvel, how they go.
I'm not keeping score.
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How life grows.
Some months so tender.
Some full of custa.
During brutal winter, winners.
The rings scrawl their humble toll.
In glorious summers, they swell in gold.
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Each 12 months, smooth or jagged.
One ring sums up the sun.
These rings roll out, roll in.
Marvel, how they go.
Why souls plant seeds whose glory they may never see.
Invisible harvest for the living to reap.
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When they die, may it be said that their best is yet to bless.
These rings roll out, roll in.
Marvel, how they go.
They're not keeping score.
How love blows.
Thank you.
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Very nice.
All right.
That was great.
It was fun. I will say that.
It was more fun than I ever had.
More fun than I ever have on a live mic.
I usually don't like it.
Radio and TV, because I don't have a big enough audience to play.
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That's magic math for you.
He just keeps things up being fun.
We're not only having enough people, because no audience is too small for this guy.
Unless it's like one-on-one, I think.
Well, it's the mic.
Oh, it's the mic.
I think. I don't know.
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I did a little bit of radio in college.
For some, I was a champion speech and debate person.
I didn't know that.
So, it was hard for me to square why I got so like,
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you can put a microphone on.
It's your wall.
I'm going to tap the wall.
That's what I just don't like.
You get a free U.S.S. health.
Put your foot.
As a parting gift.
You get swag here.
Upcycled swag.
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Upcycled swag.
I just want to cover it up.
So, it kind of joins in with my road.
This is my new road.
I like it.
Yes, you guys were a lot of fun.
Good.
Well, thanks, Mark.
Thank you so much for your time.
You're absolutely great.
Yes, you bet.
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Way more exciting than the last one.
I'm going to definitely do a tour.
I'll see you guys by the time next Halloween rolls around.
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