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Hello, welcome back to another episode of the Hate to Enter a Podcast, the number one
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cinephile slash vampire hunter podcast in the world.
It is I, Dracula from Nosferatu.
I'm Nick from Stop Culture.
I'm VHS guy Nick.
And I'm Gullif.
So today we're going to be talking about like our favorite movies of the year.
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We're going to have an episode those kind of we're going to talk about Nosferatu, but
we were looking through our lists and it seems like a lot of us are a fan of it.
So we'll just kind of talk about Nosferatu naturally as it comes along.
Yeah, I figured.
Yeah, we were at the end of the year.
So we figured we'd talk about some things before, you know, talk about some of our favorites
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and maybe if we have some time or least favorites because I've seen I don't know about you guys,
but I see a lot of stinkers.
At least I used to.
I don't hate myself as much as I did at the beginning of the year.
So I don't really seek out bad movies and theaters as much anymore, unless I know for
sure like I'm going to get a lot of fun and entertainment out of it.
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We already had this discussion last episode, but I remember when I was watching Venom Tokyo
Drift that I thought to myself, damn, I wish I went to go see this in a theater because
this is so funny.
Not in the way that the movie intended, but I definitely would have had a blast watching
it on the big screen.
I mean, I didn't make a worst list.
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If I did, I mean, Craven would definitely be at the top of my worst list.
I don't know what else would be, but I mean, generally though, I feel like I don't know
if you guys agree with this, though.
2024 was kind of a bad year for movies.
I don't know if that came in because of the proximity to both COVID and the writer's strike.
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It's like we're in a weird lull year, but it was kind of weak.
Last year was fairly weak, too.
There was a couple of really good movies last year, but I feel like I had some trouble last
year, too.
Last year I liked more than this.
Yeah, I think there were more shining stars last year that are memorable.
Yeah, because I didn't even love Nosferatu that much.
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I would say I liked it a lot, but it's my number two movie of the year.
So it just doesn't really speak that highly about the year as it was.
That says a lot about the year.
Yeah.
It was all right.
It was like top five.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
Maybe it's just because I hate everything.
The amount of mid to bad movies, it's kind of the same as it's always been.
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It's about what I expect.
I watched a lot of movies in theaters this year.
I think I did go see bad movies, and I don't think I always expected them to be bad, though.
I will say, I think this year we've been truly blessed because we've been given not one,
not two, but three Sony not Spider-Man cinematic universe movies.
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Yeah.
Because we got Venom 3, we got Madame Web, and then we have Craven the Hunter.
I think that is a trifecta of delicious garbage.
I think the worst movie I saw this year was probably, I think it was called Alive.
It's like a smart house movie with Harold from Harold and Kumar.
It was some of the worst.
You mean Blumhouse?
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Was it a Blumhouse movie?
You said smart house.
That's not a thing.
I think you mean Blumhouse.
No, no, no, no.
The movie was about a smart house.
The movie was called Smart House.
The movie was about a smart house.
Oh, okay.
Sorry.
I thought you were saying the production name.
It was like, smart house.
What the fuck is that?
Oh, I thought that was called AI.
It's called afraid.
It's called afraid.
It's called afraid.
And the AI is like, yeah.
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It's very clever when you think about it.
That movie was so fucking bad.
Yeah.
Isn't it funny?
They put the word AI in the word afraid.
That's like fourth degree chess right there.
I really want people to keep.
I hate when movies and franchises stop putting the number in the words.
I think they're cowards.
Why didn't we get Vithrenim?
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What the fuck?
Why didn't we get Five Cream?
Why didn't we get, you know?
Terrifying three with the E as a path.
Yeah.
Hollywood is run by a bunch of fucking pussies.
That's the moral of the story.
They're a bunch of cowards that just refuse to be honest with themselves.
I want to get to our.
I'll go ahead.
I was just saying I was looking at.
So I keep a list of all the movies that I watch in a given year.
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And then I rank them on my letterbox and I'm kind of going through some of the shit I
watched.
Honest to God, I forgot.
I watched half of this shit and I didn't realize that I've given like 10 movies this
year, a one out of 10.
I think that is, that kind of goes to show that I'm not a fucking
fucking idiot.
I'm not a fucking idiot.
I'm not a fucking idiot.
I'm a 10. I think that is that kind of goes to show the.
Well, you all the way, I'll start doing that for the next year.
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Can we all make a one out of 10.
And just like, I've been doing all the movies.
We review into it.
Yeah, I think we can do that.
He's got to start a letterbox.
Yeah, you know, I do that.
I know, spoiler, spoiler alert for the future episodes.
So I think we already discussed this at some point, but we're going to be start recommending
shit in future episodes.
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really fun if one of us like just keeps a track record of all the movies that we recommend
and then we make like a ranking of all the shit that we discuss on the podcast as part
of like our recommendations and stuff that that would be really fun.
I'd be into that.
That could be something cool like we set up a website at some point like track of everything.
Yeah, that could be fun.
Back to the worst movies thing I maybe I'm just like I had a good year because I can't
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I had a hard time coming up with my bottom five because I just all the worst ones on
there I guess like Craven was on there but it was more like a like it was not even like
a really that bad it's just kind of a mediocre pile shit.
I will say I feel like I don't see a lot of very bad movies.
They're just one of my my way to watch.
This is my biggest problem.
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It wasn't like that I saw everything I saw was terrible.
It's just I was just like whatever about everything which is even worse kind of.
Yeah, I think that's fair.
I think I had the benefit to see some things.
You had a lot on your list Tim.
Yeah, some of these were just not by choice but most of them I just got to see because
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I was at there I was at the right place right time but I was not expecting to give so many
movies such low scores.
For example, I don't know like some of these I actually retroactively pumped my score for
Craven some dick down to a one out of 10 after I watched Venom Tokyo Drift and I think that's
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just purely because when I watched Venom it's not like a good movie or anything but I had
way more fun watching that one than Craven.
So I was like well I mean I can't even give this a two out of ten or whatever I gave it
the last time because I got nothing out of it and it was completely shitty.
But Tim do you remember that scene?
Do you remember the scene where the rhino was like.
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Yeah I remember that that was epic.
That was pretty sick.
I can't believe they left that shit in bro.
So do you want yeah let's start let's start number five on our lists Tim you want to go
first?
Yeah sure.
So number five I'm gonna cheat a little bit but I just want the opportunity to talk about
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both.
So for my number five I put both challengers and queer and the reason why I put both other
than the fact that they're both yeah yeah well that's that's the craziest thing is that
I'm not the biggest Luca Guadagnino fan you know because like I've seen some of his other
movies I've seen I Am Love I've seen Call Me By Your Name Bones and all that stuff and
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they're like fine they're relatively fine they're like decent movies that I don't that
I can recognize are great and people really love and are emotionally attached to but I've
never been emotionally attached to any of those films but then this year he just decided
to release two bangers within the same year and both are bangers for completely different
reasons and the reason why I put challengers and queer on number five other than you know
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they're both Luca Guadagnino films is that I have a hard time deciding between the two
because I like both a lot for different reasons you know like challengers is very maximalist
it's very high energy very high octane you got the fucking dance music from Trent Reznor
and Atticus Ross.
I still listen to that soundtrack.
Oh so do I it's so so good but then you have something like queer which is really on the
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complete opposite it's much more quiet it's more contemplative it's more it takes it takes
more time to slow things down and really you know let the characters breathe and develop
and have these really emotional moments where you know characters just interact with each
other but in a way that's so unique but so emotionally gut-wrenching because I had a
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really weird experience with queer because the first like maybe two acts of this movie
I was like I don't really think I'm either either I'm not getting this or I'm not getting
a lot out of this but without spoiling anything because I know a lot of you guys haven't seen
this the last like third film the third act of this movie I just completely changed my
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mind I was just like oh shit I think I get it's like the Danny DeVito meme it's like
oh my god I I get it you know it's like it was a really profound experience so now I'm
kind of like going back and forth on on these two films because they're so close to each
other and I'm like well I mean I guess if I had to pick right now I guess challengers
is the one I preferred like slightly but they're both really amazing films that I go back and
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forth on yeah I really I really loved challenge now I don't know if I love challengers that
was actually our first episode that we did yeah it's the first Luca movie that I've actually
liked so I that it was kind of momentous call me by your name film I didn't really like
that movie there any other Luca Luca movies I'd you'd seen before that moment I've seen
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a fucking rock sorry I just gotta say that oh yes I haven't seen that yet yeah yes it
was was pretty good this was pretty good call me by your name I didn't like I hated bones
and all I might be missing I've seen a couple of his movies and that yeah this I remember
feeling like challengers was the one that I actually really enjoyed out of all of his
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movies because up until then I was like this dude is so overrated I don't know why he keeps
getting all the all the praise that he's garnering that he's been able to garner throughout his
career so far I feel like you well you and Nick liked it a bit more than I did I think
challenges I was pretty I was pretty critical of it and I I still like I I don't really
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like the movie all that much for various reasons but I was still tempted and I'm a huge Luca
fan but I was still tempted to put it on my top five mainly because I found the movie
to be pretty memorable like even if I didn't enjoy it as much as I'd hope to I still it
is one of the movies I remember watching this year that I like had a good time with so it's
like I don't I definitely don't hate the movie I just there's definitely flaws that I saw
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in it that I couldn't put in my list for yeah yeah it's definitely definitely that's a good
word for it it definitely is really memorable between between the score and the cinematography
I think we talked about this and on the first episode especially like yeah this the scene
the ending scene where the cameras like go it's cameras like standing in place of the
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ball was really cool yeah sex that is I want to see the behind the scenes of how they filmed
that because it was so sick yeah yeah and and yeah like the I think the last 10 minutes
of this movie is just fucking perfection just the Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross score that
plays a long while there you know the beats while for each beat in the in the dance music
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that they're playing it's it lines exactly with you know the precise moment they hit
the balls back and forth it's really just expert filmmaking it's the last 10 minutes
alone is worth the entire movie other than the hot threesome but I haven't seen queer
yet I really want to though so I don't think any of us but Tim have seen queer yet I was
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tempted to go but I was with a group of people so who wants to go for five next you know
my number five is I'll throw in a popular IP my number five was Furiosa by George Miller
you know I'm just kidding I know I'm a fucking normie I'm kidding actually Deadpool and Wolverine
is my number one Furiosa is in my list too but I think I have it higher than five okay
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yeah no Furiosa is my number five I I've been I've had faith in George Miller ever since
he put out Fury Road because that film was just fucking blows my mind I was a little
nervous before it came out because it started looking a little like eh like it like it looks
a little more fake than Fury Road did but but even by the time it comes out it's still
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all the action is so enthralling all of the the sets and the characters are so innovative
and interesting and and it's just it like it's a lot it's pretty long and it does feel
longer compared to Fury Road but it's still so fucking awesome and I've seen it like three
times since I saw it in theaters so in other words in the theater you were like it's Miller
time baby it's Miller time yeah did you drink a Miller while you were watching Furiosa no
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I think I had an icy okay so yeah I had to cool myself down yeah yeah I have it on my
number four on my list it's I really enjoyed it too I I think it was definitely cheesier
than Fury Road but I think that doesn't really negate anything I think it's just as cheesy
as Harry road does it definitely hammed up way more a lot of the like especially the
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crimson Chris Hemsworth character very very like goofy and so I can amazing I think Fury
Road was a lot more of like a serious movie it definitely wasn't fully serious but it
was more of a serious movie yeah so I always compare Fury Road is like one long action
scene and Furiosa is like a fable that's what it feels like it's like an epic yeah I think
that's kind of how I came up came around to Fury Furiosa which is I think I love my like
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10th or 11th spot or something like that so it definitely was in the top 10 for sure for
me but I think I think I've had a weird experience with this film because I went to go see this
three times but for completely different reasons so the first time I went to go see it I I
actually was kind of mid on it in the sense that there were parts of it that I really
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adored but then there were other parts that I was just why did you do this I guess because
I went in with the wrong expectations I was expecting another Fury Road because I think
I love Fury Road it's one of the best action movies ever whatever blah blah blah but then
I went to go see it again because my brother hadn't seen it yet and I was like whatever
I got time to kill I'll watch this again and then I actually ended up liking it a lot more
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in the second watch and then I was like what will happen if I watch it a third time and
you know and then I watched it again and I was like okay it only bumped up a little bit
more from where I was at so it wasn't as major of a bump up as the first time I watched it
but I think the more times I watched this film the more I really get it and the more
I'm really absorbed into the atmosphere because I think that's the best part about this film
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the atmosphere and kind of these moments of confrontation between characters I think those
are the parts that I really remember about this film more than anything.
Yeah and as you guys know I'm not a big George Miller guy I'm not a Mad Max guy so I didn't
even I didn't see this but maybe I will maybe I'll check it out.
You should definitely give it a shot it's definitely got a lot more camp to it and it's
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and even like I think the whole the issue with it is like the whole premise just sounded
so fucking stupid like I didn't I genuinely didn't want to go see it because I thought
Trillis Theron's character was so fucking lame and furious she was like the worst part
of that movie for me.
How?
Bro.
Yeah it was beyond the point it's beyond the point anyway does someone want to give us
a different number five?
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So my number five was I split it up into two I'll just for the first one I'm mentioning
I'll just get it's basically like an honorable mention mostly because most people that saw
this movie I think didn't really like it it was a Spaceman it was like a early 2024 movie
Netflix movie with Adam Sandler.
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Yeah I was gonna say that's the Adam Sandler one.
The movie's pretty good honestly.
Yeah it was it got really bad reviews which after I saw it I was I was kind of surprised
by it because I thought it was great I mean it's also a subject matter that I'm really
interested in anytime there's like an alien movie or outer space space exploration movie
and the alien isn't the center of like some kind of horror plot I am automatically like
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more open to seeing that.
So they're gonna they're gonna be uh what's the fucking word whenever they make a book
into something adapting they're gonna be adapting this book called Project Hail Mary which is
by the guy who wrote The Martian and it's gonna have aliens and like what you're looking
for it's gonna have Ryan Gosling as the main character.
Oh that's cool.
That's fucking good.
Oh I don't know who's directing it.
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The Martian is another one of my favorite space movies I really like.
I love how methodical that movie is but anyway yeah Space Man was really good I thought it
was it was really emotional it got me to really care about a talking arachnid alien which
was which was pretty impressive and then yeah sharing sharing that five slot was a complete
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unknown which I saw yesterday which is a you know admittedly like a fairly by the numbers
music biopic by the same guy who did Logan's Man Gold and and walked the line.
That's what I've heard about the film I mean I'm still gonna see it anyway because I mean
I like Bob Dylan and I would like to fulfill the new Barbenheimer that I'm tastefully calling
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calm NOS girl which is complete unknown knows for you and baby girl get in the comments
and start that trend please I would like for this to be a thing.
Yeah no I mean if you're a fan of Bob Dylan you're definitely going to enjoy it.
I thought it was interesting for the just like the main arc of where they decided to
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go with it because there's I mean there's so many moments or eras in Bob Dylan's career
that you could have made a movie out of.
I guess this this is kind of his early beginnings like showing up right in New York in the back
of someone's station wagon to the Newport Folk Festival in 1965 where he decides to
play electric in front of a audience that's primed to see folk music.
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So there's you know it's it's it is insane actually to see how how much people were going
just fucking buck wild insane at Bob Dylan for deciding to not play acoustic and play
with three other people like it's now it seems so quaint to music listeners of the modern
era who are used to so much more experimentation but for them it was like their ears were bleeding
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from seeing him playing electric guitar and have drums on the stage.
But yeah Timothy, Timothy Chalamet had a great performance the supporting cast was very good
the music was well done for the most part.
I would recommend it.
I'm not in love with it but it was good.
Have you seen Bohemian Rhapsody?
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You mentioned that I would maybe like this because I like Bob Dylan.
I also like Queen and Bohemian Rhapsody is one of the biggest pieces of cancer ever you
know so I know it's not fair to compare the two films but I think that's kind of my main
frustration with these types of movies is that they are so generic and formed by the
book and formulated and corporately made that like it doesn't really matter like you like
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the upcoming Robbie Williams movie where Robbie Williams is monkey like if that's all the
ideas you have to freshen up this genre this style of movies then I don't know maybe we
either need to stop making them or just be more experimental.
But I would say Walk the Line was genuinely good.
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I mean I could not finish Walk the Line I was so bored watching that one.
Oppenheimer is in the same genre basically and I think that was a much more more artful
take on the biopic genre.
I feel like with something like Oppenheimer it's at least giving me a visual experience
that is missing from a lot of these film music biopics or whatever like I don't know have
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you seen what's that film called I'm not there I think it's called it's a Todd Haynes film
about Bob Dylan but it's a very interesting film.
They get different people to play him.
Yeah yeah.
So I saw that film a long time ago when I was getting into Bob Dylan and I remember
liking it I don't remember loving it but what I appreciate about that film in retrospect
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is how experimental and kind of wacky it goes in the like it does it's not interested in
telling a regular biopic it's more kind of exploring the essence of who Bob Dylan is
by exploring different parts of his life played by different actors you know so one is played
by Cate Blanchett the other is played by John Clerman from Dark Knight and the other is
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played by Christian Bale and all this other stuff and you know I just kind of wish I just
want to see more things like that you know like I just I'm so frustrated when I can
just predict every music biopic like this.
You also have to keep in mind it's been so long since these people were actually around
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like it's actually like history like you're they're teaching people like kids these days
or people these days about those musicians.
I mean great but why does every movie have to feel like Wikipedia is feeding me information?
I'm just saying doing something that experimental isn't actually going to accomplish what they're
hoping to accomplish.
I never saw it but didn't Rocketman do kind of experimental things?
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I like Rocketman.
Not really like the musical set pieces might as well have just been concert like scenes
and they would have fulfilled the same like it being a musical fantasy literally doesn't
change anything about it.
It just makes it a little shinier than most other music biopics.
What do y'all think about the Oliver Stone and the Doors?
Oh I like that movie.
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I remember liking that when I was a kid.
I love that movie but I know Tim hates Oliver Stone.
I haven't seen it a long time.
Yeah.
What do you have against Oliver Stone?
I thought you hated Oliver Stone.
I haven't seen enough Oliver Stone to have an opinion on Oliver Stone.
I want to watch some of his greatest hits.
I still need to see JFK and the fucking what's it called?
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Natural Born Killers.
JFK is a really fun conspiracy movie.
I like that.
Isn't it four hours long?
Yeah it's very long.
So my top my number five is Terrifier 3.
Really?
Yeah it's honestly my top five.
I mean this is Nick we're talking about.
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He loves slasher shit.
So my stuff is like my top five isn't necessarily things I would rate the highest.
Like I'm sure there's like I would was the holdovers this year?
Like I would technically put the holdovers this year.
That was last year.
That was last year.
There's a bunch of movies this year that I like challenges I would rate higher than
Terrifier like if I'm just giving it a pure ranking.
But as far as like pure enjoyment and like my chances of going back and watching it again
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Terrifier is like way above those movies.
So that's fair.
I mean Terrifier is just pure enjoyment.
Like I'm going to go back and I'm going to watch all of them whenever their next one
releases.
It's it was just a really fun movie for me to watch.
Yeah.
You should have watched it during Christmas time.
Yeah.
There was a trend going around.
Did you guys see this where people were turning on Terrifier 3 and not telling their family
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what it was?
Being like it's a Christmas movie and just kind of seeing how far they could get through
it.
Yeah I don't know if I want to put my family through that.
It's for the kids.
It's about a fun birthday clip.
I know they're fun for you and certain people Nick but I wouldn't be mad if I didn't have
to watch another Terrifier.
Anime and Terrifier.
I think I could go the rest of my life without having to watch another Terrifier movie ever
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in my entire life.
They better call it Terrifier.
He's going to do one next year already?
He has to because they ended on a shitty cliffhanger so they better they most likely will.
If Tim gets to make you all watch anime I'm gonna make you all watch fucking Terrifier.
When are they gonna make us watch it?
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Like I don't know Mortal Kombat then we'll know he's peaked.
Alright well Tim you want to do your 4?
That's the that's that's the determining factor of whether or not he's relevant if he's in
Fortnite.
I wonder if he is in Fortnite.
Unless you have more to say about Terrifier Nick.
I think everybody probably I think people know what Terrifier is.
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Yeah it is what it is.
I'm curious what Ethan thinks about Terrifier because like we've already had a in length
discussion about this film and you weren't a part of that yet so I'm just curious what
your thoughts on.
My thoughts are I haven't seen the first one I haven't seen the second one I haven't seen
the third one.
What the fuck?
Okay so fucking nothing.
So Jack-o-Hall.
Yeah sorry.
Absolute dick.
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Absolute dick.
My number 4 is Lookback.
This was so I was so so hyped to see this film because it was I'm a huge fan of the
manga it's from Tatsuki Fujimoto who did Nick's favorite Chainsaw Man so he's the mangaka
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behind Chainsaw Man.
Oh really?
Yeah I've been a fan of his you know even before I started reading Chainsaw Man I read
Fire Punch like a long time ago.
I never finished it because I was just like what the fuck is this shit.
But now that I get Fujimoto's style and approach to narrative I kind of want to give it another
chance and then Goodbye Erie is just one of the best things ever.
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I fucking love that.
It's a very quick read so if you need something to read manga wise I highly recommend Goodbye
Erie but I was really really excited for Lookback specifically because it's so different from
Chainsaw Man.
It's a very emotional story so the premise of Lookback is that it follows these two kids
who dream of becoming manga artists and it starts out as like a Amadeus style rivalry
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because the main character for the longest time has just been praised to death because
everyone loves her mangas they love her mangas that she publishes on the school newspaper
but then once she takes a look at the other main characters manga and realizes oh she's
so much better she kind of pushes herself to become better and better at drawing manga
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until you know they eventually start meeting and then they meet together and it's a film
about art and kind of the lengths that you have to go through and the ways you have to
push yourself to create the art that you love and are passionate about but it's also about
the love and friendship and relationship that blossoms when you share that passion when
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you share that art form that you love so dearly with another person but also kind of the trials
and tribulation that comes when you and the other person start having different feelings
about the art that you're making you know like what directions that you see in your
careers as artists and the type of art that you hope to create so I'm trying to be as
vague as possible because I want both everyone in this episode and people listening to for
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anyone who hasn't watched the film it's a very quick watch it's like I think less than
an hour I think it's like 50 minutes 55 minutes or something like that so yeah and it's on
Amazon Prime it's not a long watch at all and I've seen this film twice I went to go
see this in theaters and I was shocked how packed it was because when I go to see big
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anime events like this I usually can just go to the theaters and buy a ticket because
it's like well you know it's just weebs gonna who's gonna show up you know so it's not
gonna be that pack but I was I when I checked to see the pre-order tickets there was only
one seat left it was a shitty seat in like the front row so I was like whoa what so I
bought my tickets and this is a really surreal experience because this is the first anime
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movie I went to go see in a theater where Bo wasn't masking the entire I was just about
to ask how did it smell it didn't it didn't smell like shit for the first time in my entire
life going to an anime movie it didn't smell like shit and I was so taken aback by that
like I was like holy shit it's possible clean weebs are possible yeah I loved it and then
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I watched it again when it came out on Amazon Prime and I loved it even more and yeah it's
a really gut-wrenching experience it's so so sweet and yet so so so emotional I already
said that but I don't really know how else to describe it and yeah it don't go expecting
chainsaw man at all I mean well expect chainsaw man in the sense that Fujimoto likes playing
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around with reality he likes shifting between the natural and the unnatural I guess if that
makes sense so kind of expect that but don't go expecting any like extreme violence or
anything like that this is very much a more how horny is centralized story about friendship
or the drawing and stuff how horny is it how not very okay well what does that mean because
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chainsaw man is very horny I mean there aren't any gratuitous tits if that's what you're
asking we're good we're good okay yeah I was actually the fact that it's Fujimoto and that
kind of perked my eyebrows up because I've been hearing good things about look back but
I didn't know it was him and also that it's 50 minutes that's that's a short investment
I might check yeah I'll totally check that out I actually want to since we're talking
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about Fujimoto and Chancellor man I want to warn both of the Knicks mainly culture Nick
that next year the chainsaw man movie is coming out yes we are yeah Ethan and I are gonna
watch that shit and we're gonna force the other two to watch cuz holy fuck the trailer
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is absolute sex I saw it three times I was like hell yeah this is it this is it we just
talk about the trailer that sounds that sounds fun why is it necessary to do a chainsaw man
movie that you said the entire series it's just they're basically taking one of the from
the manga and they're just like making one movie out of it they do an animated they just
condense it and animated super high quality so is yeah it's like as part of the manga
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that has continued on screen yeah it's continuing yeah anime so don't think of it as like a
separate thing it very much is part of the overall it's like season one watch this movie
yeah so I a lot of anime a lot of popular anime have been doing this I think it started
when demon slayer mugan train like earned a shit ton of money or something like that
because I mean they've been doing that before but they've been very like low effort straight
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to DVD you know lower quality animation type shit cuz dragon ball had a lot of just straight
to DVD non-canned in movies about cooler or broly or something like that but those are
sick though like the super android 13 and shit no they're good I'm not saying they're
bad I'm just saying like I think post demon slayer mugan train more studios have been
making more movies that are a part of the cannon so like you still need to watch these
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movies to after you finish season one two fucking whatever I guess except for jujutsu
kaizen zero which is just before everything that happens and the rest of jutsu kaizen
yeah yeah just to have what's your number so what so yeah sorry I don't mean to continue
this Fuji mo have you read goodbye have you read goodbye eerie I don't know if you've
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read that no at all okay I highly recommend you give that a shot it's so so it's just
emotionally beautiful as this one but this but as look back but that one is much more
it's got a bit of Kaufman isms like it kind of reminded me of synecdoche New York that's
the best I can say without spoiling it I'd say just give it a give it a shot all right
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we're losing culture Nick we got a we got to win him back all right yeah go do your
for number four well I don't know if I my number four is nose for a two I don't know
if we want to get into this for our two now right as well I mean those frat is my number
two so okay this was I mean we were supposed to talk about this as its own half episode
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or whatever so yeah it's good that we're getting to it we're all kind of spend a little more
time on it is it on everyone's list I don't think it's on Tim's list but now it's not
on my list Tim doesn't like seeing a vampire's cock he's a coward so I really know I just
like you don't know what kind of cock I like don't put fucking words in my mouth you piece
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of shit yeah I don't know I don't know what you guys but I've been a big Eggers fan since
I saw the witch or the Vavitch or whatever it just made me feel like I needed to take
a bath like I felt dirty but in a good way so I've watched every single thing since he's
been working and this is probably not one of my higher ranked I think I have to rewatch
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the witch because it's been like six years since I saw it last but it's like in the middle
three or four I think I like this more than the Northman but I fucking love this one dude
this was so sick to see in the theater and it was packed yeah I had a packed theater
watching this I had to sit in the front because I didn't find tickets online best performing
movie yeah it did really well this weekend Nick's message is after because he watched
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it before us and he sent that message and it scared me I was just like he was like I
don't know if I like this one boys like because you were studying you're still thinking about
it and I was like fuck and I like went in and I was like I didn't expect to like it
and it was like halfway through and I was like no I really wanted to try I wanted to
try and go see it on Christmas Day but all the showings near my theater were just completely
sold out like there was no way for me to watch the movie yeah yeah no it's not that I don't
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like it it's I do really like it man it's my it was my number two movie of the year
but I think I just I have such high expectations when it comes to Eggers and it feels like
he's you know with with the Northmen and kind of cementing it with this for what for what
this is worth because this isn't necessarily like the most accessible movie I've ever seen
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but it definitely does seem like he's in the in this new era of his career he's having
more of an interest in making things a little bit more streamlined and accessible for a
mainstream audience I don't know if you guys agree with that I agree with you but I also
think it has to do with him having more resources available I think him making these like really
like like crafty movies where he's kind of like working within a one environment like
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lighthouse or things like that I think he just didn't have as many resources to do what
he wanted so he kind of had to do a little bit more of an offbeat weird movie yeah yeah
that could be the case I mean I don't know what the budget is of this I don't think I
think it was 50 million I just I don't think I agree with that purely just because like
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when he was making the Northmen he famously didn't have Final Cut on the movie or something
and he was told to make things more accessible and he stated that he wanted to go back to
making smaller budget films because of you know the nosy business executives poking their
nose where they shouldn't belong and you know having to make things more mainstream and
streamlined so I don't think it's I think it's less to do that he had that he has less
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resources to work with and more just he likes making weird surrealist nightmarish films
that might not make sense on like a pure plot surface level perspective but have a lot of
depth and you know things to say about whatever he's interested in you know because like part
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of what I love about the lighthouse is that it's just so bonkers from beginning to end
and it just didn't give a fuck if you completely followed everything that was going on I mean
it's not exactly the hardest movie to follow but it definitely is leading into the whole
we're descending into madness so everything starts becoming a blur where it's like a it's
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almost like a Satoshi tone David Lynch shit where you just don't know what the fuck is
going on or yeah there's not really symbolism to pull up in the light yeah but like what
the point but the point of what I loved about the vich and the lighthouse is that I didn't
really get it but like me understanding the plot or the story is not really the point
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of why I love those movies it's more the experience I get from those very surreal moments or the
way they're shot or like you know the black and white aesthetic from the lighthouse especially
and all these other things you know like that's what I'm remembering more so when I watch
a movie like Nosferatu that's trying to lean more into plot and story I just don't get
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much out of that you know and I'm and I can I'm personally not really attached to this
Nosferatu Dracula story anyway explain why you don't get much out of that as opposed
to just watching a normal movie like why can't you just look at it from the lens of it being
an actual normal movie well what's a normal movie like any other movie with a story structure
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that you can follow like I don't understand why something that has a hard to follow story
structure because it's weird is well it just it just seems like in something like this
it's just clashing because it seems like because the things that I really remember from Nosferatu
I'm okay I didn't hate the movie I did quite enjoy it I thought it was decent I thought
it was good but I think this is my least favorite Robert Eggers film because it's streamlined
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to the point where you know I like do I when I watch an art film do I really need scenes
of characters just explaining the plot just explaining oh boy this is Nosferatu this is
the vampire like it's going to get you and does all this stuff like do I really need
to influence it though like I mean it's that I've seen those scenes were necessary though
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because like Willem de Faux's character needed to get both the audience on board but also
the townspeople who weren't exactly like willing to accept that this might be a supernatural
explanation so he kind of had to I think he had to do that though in those scenes you
know what I mean yes I just think that it would have been conceptually more interesting
if Nosferatu was less this evil final boss that they had to be and more just this overlooming
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presence that you can't really be physical yeah it's not like they sent the whole town
after him and like with pitchforks and shit like it's fucking you know I'm not saying
they do that like I what I'm just more frustrated by are just on top of these moments where
they just have to explain the plot because it's a vampire movie you have to explain exposition
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lore dump details and stuff like that is that it also just kind of got repetitive a repetitive
at a certain point like at a at a certain point when I see the same oh it was a dream
and it was spooky and it was scary and you know I'm gonna get you and stuff like that
I just I just kind of like I really feel the length from that because the first maybe 30
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minutes of this movie I was super into it both cinematography wise and presentation wise
I really loved just how the dream sequences are presented where you can kind of you're
kind of going mad the same way that Nicholas Holt's character is going mad as well and
like I really really was digging that I was hoping the rest of the movie would be that
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but then like once it just becomes a standard there's a spooky vampire we got to go get
him that type of shit it was just like oh okay I guess this is where things are going
you know when I really preferred the more surrealist aspects of the film I don't ever
think it ever felt like a bog standard vampire movie I mean it's in a way it's going to kind
of be that because it's like the original movie vampire even before Dracula but I don't
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know I think they kept it feeling like this ethereal untouchable being and I'm like literally
they don't even they aren't even able to get to him by the end like the only way they can
stop him is they fuck him to death.
Spoiler.
I thought it was I thought it was cool.
That last scene does go hard I'll give it that that last scene does go hard.
I'm sure he was pretty hard.
You see how small his ass was?
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I mean it's Bill Skarsgard.
I like this more than the Northman though because I feel like the Northman was a very
very straightforward revenge story where I don't really know how much that movie had
to say whereas this one it felt like he was or at least what I took from it that Nosferatu
is kind of like this dark shadow of like human sexual desire like that's what he manifests
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as and you can see it in the scenes with with with Lily Rose Depp and him that she's like
there is a major part of her that like actually wants to succumb and just fuck this vampire
is disgusting as vampire which is kind of cool.
I thought she was really good and I thought Willem Dafoe was insanely good.
I thought Willem Dafoe was so fucking good in this movie.
Yeah.
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I wish it was hornier though.
I wish it was hornier like like the Werner Herzog Nosferatu.
Everything doesn't need to be hornier Tim.
God damn it.
I do think there was a lot of hype going in people like this is the horniest fucking movie
I've ever seen in my whole goddamn life and I saw it and I was like there was like two
sex scenes.
I don't know why people were saying that it was so tame like I saw cock maybe like once
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in one single frame and that's about it.
Yeah it wasn't even hard man.
Did you guys like his little mustache?
I thought it was really funny.
I thought it was hilarious.
I kind of liked it in the sense that it was a very inspired choice because...
It looked real weird.
It did but I kind of got used to it because I kind of fully understood what he was going
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for because I like how they made Count Orlok in this one like a Russian oligarch like a
old timey like I'm a terrible ass Russian oligarch.
Yeah his outfit.
He's wearing like a big Oshanka hat and stuff.
Yeah which was an incredible which is especially inspiring because the Dracula story is inspiring
inspired by Vlad the Impaler who was like this insane delusional maniacal like psychopath
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Russian oligarch.
So to make him like that same Russian oligarch type figure I thought was a very interesting
choice.
That's what's cool about Nosferatu to begin with though.
It's like you said it's Vlad the Impaler which then became Dracula which then became this
and now there's so many iterations of the iteration of Dracula and Vlad the Impaler.
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It's cool how things evolve over time like that you know.
What's yours?
Is Count Orlok is basically Dracula right?
He's just a funnier looking Dracula.
He's just a more ugly Dracula.
He just doesn't get hot.
The person who made Nosferatu back in I think it was the 20s got sued.
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Got sued because it was too close to Dracula.
Yeah he didn't have the rights to the book.
I want to know your power rankings.
Northman is from four to top it's oh fuck I really got to rewatch the witch but I'm
going off gut right now.
I like how you said four to top but then did top to bottom when you said that.
Four to one.
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Anyway Northman is my least favorite.
I still think it's fucking awesome but like Nick said it's a very straightforward revenge
story with some cool ethereal scenes in it sprinkled in there.
Nosferatu is number three in a similar way that the Northman was.
It's also way more straightforward than his other stuff and then it's the witch and then
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just purely off the way it made me feel and then the lighthouse is fucking peak.
It's a masterpiece.
Yeah.
Yeah mine's worst to best.
Northman, Nosferatu, witch lighthouse.
Was that the exact same one as yours?
Same thing.
Yeah.
I think we're on the same wavelength right now.
I think I did so when I first watched the witch I actually didn't like it the first
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time I watched it.
And then I rewatched it a couple years ago or like a year ago and I actually liked it
a lot more.
And I think it's actually probably my number one and then Nosferatu and then lighthouse
and then fucking Northman which I didn't even really like.
You didn't like lighthouse very much?
I did but I think I like Nosferatu more.
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I think it's because I'm a straightforward ass bitch as Tim would say.
Yeah it's got to put terrifying three in his top five.
I don't really prefer straight words.
I like weird.
I like experimental.
I'm sorry.
I'm an adventurous douche bag.
My ranking from worst to best.
I mean not even worse.
That's at least favorite to most favorite would be Nosferatu, Northman, with the witch
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and lighthouse.
I actually liked the Northman more than Nosferatu just purely because like yes it's also very
straightforward and very streamlined in terms it's like it's just Hamlet but with Vikings.
But what I like about the surrealist aspects of the Northman is that it's weird but it
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has like a place within the story you know because like when you see the weird shit that
happens in the Northman you know like the like the really sick dank epic fire chant
thing where they're like doing chants in front of a fire and they're howling and stuff like
that or they're farting.
Or when the guy from succession has to fight a drogger or whatever like those things are
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very surreal but they make sense within the context of this story because these are just
projections of what the characters actually believed in because this is going for a very
historically accurate Viking culture film where when you see the things that happen
in this film like it feels real because these are what the characters believed in.
They believed in this notion that berserkers are man and animal morphed into one being.
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They believed in you know the Valkyries riding into bring them to Valhalla and all this other
shit you know like so it makes sense within the context of this film like it doesn't feel
out of place but when I'm watching something like Nosferatu it just feels like the weird
shit is just there out of obligation like that's the thing that he's really interested
in.
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You mean example of what's weird out of obligation.
I mean those are poor choice of words.
I mean what let me rephrase what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is the parts that I really love like the very like surrealist very horrors
as nature is you know like when like the opening scene where Nosferatu you can't see him but
he grabs Lily Rose Depp's character by the throat.
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That was really incredible.
That was incredible opening shot and then just the crazy shit that goes that Nicholas
Holt's character goes through you know in the castle where he doesn't know what's what's
going on if everything's happening in his head or not all that stuff like I really like
that and I just yeah and I wish I wish the film would was more like that throughout the
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rest of the film but it just doesn't it becomes a more conventional standard vampire story
except it's also a period piece because it takes place in 19th century Germany which
that's fine.
You know there's nothing wrong with that.
I think that just kind of more stems from Robert Eggers love and admiration for the
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original 1922 F.W. Murnau film which that's cool.
I don't really care for the original 1922 film.
I thought it was whatever.
I actually I said I prefer I much prefer the Werner Herzog one.
I actually really do enjoy.
I mean it's not like the most amazing movie either but what I remember about the Werner
Herzog one is you know just how out there and insane it is like I remember the lighting
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in particular really being really really striking in particular and I think Klaus Kinski Jesus
gives a really just bizarre and out there before like it's not like this version of
Count Orlok where he's just Russian man the occult and all that stuff like it's just a
fucking weirdo as a vampire you know so I mean it's not fair to compare this and the
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Werner Herzog one because they're completely different experiences but in terms of like
what I want from a Dracula type movie I guess I don't know I feel like especially a Robert
Eggers version of a Dracula movie I guess this was way more mainstream and streamlined
to the point that I had a bit frustrations with it.
Yeah I think for me the only separation I have between Osiratu and Northman is just
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personal preferences for aesthetics where I don't really care about Viking aesthetics
or Norse mythology but I get down with fucking Victorian era early 1900s fucking blood-borne
shit I got blood-borne tats all over my body like I just love the aesthetic and that's
really it I still think he's I don't think he's ever made a bad movie.
Oh yeah even yeah Northman it's my least favorite of his but I appreciate that movie so much
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just for the simple fact that I've never seen a movie that effectively puts you in the mindset
of being someone who actually lived from that time like yeah the moral universe of the Northman
is so skewed that like you actually just start to watch the main character fucking like rape
and pillage this this tiny little village or whatever and you're just like holy shit
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I don't even like I guess that's what they do you know like you don't even you you don't
judge them the same way that you would in any other movie.
It's like his day job.
Yeah yeah yeah just so effectively done.
Yeah I am I what have you all feel about Lily Rosedep's performance because I I was the
entire time watching it I was like this she's she's going big but she was walking that line
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of just like okay this could be really absurd and stupid and come off as like really cringey
and like verging on like June carrying the mask stuff.
There were parts where it got super cringe and unintentionally funny like the scene where
I think she killed Lily Rosedep.
I think she was really good but the person I was with that watched it with me they were
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like she was going way too hard with that shit and I was just like I don't know so I
could see both sides so I think she did a really good job.
I read she based her performance off the lead actress from Possession as well which I haven't
seen but I've seen a lot of clips of that popping up.
Yeah I think overall she did a good job but there were a couple moments where I'm like
excuse me like the scene where she tells Nicholas Holt fuck me fuck me hard Nosferatu fucks
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me harder than you're ever.
Never fuck me like he does.
Yeah I was like what the fuck.
Tim we're gonna clip that and use that against you later.
Okay yeah this is this is my cancel culture moment this is what gets me canceled.
I thought specifically that scene was really good and her just fucking starts her just
fucking drooling and shit.
Dude she literally does the fucking werewolf meme where she's like how much fucking cool
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are you gonna get.
Yeah.
I thought she was great I thought her and fucking uh fucking Willem Dafoe both killed
it in that fucking movie.
I was I honestly was hoping for more of Willem Dafoe.
Nicholas Holt was a bit of a non-factor for me which I love him but I feel like he didn't
get much chance to do much in this one.
I think it was great that whole scene where he's walking around the castle.
I actually really liked Nicholas Holt in the movie yeah.
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That was my favorite part of the movie I think.
His extended sequence like from the moment where he gets to the village and you know
he goes to sleep and everyone's gone.
Like basically from that moment to when he leaves the nunnery I was like this is fucking
awesome.
I love that entire movie.
I thought he was good.
I just I just I don't know I was hoping he'd fucking turn into a vampire or something I
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don't know.
I don't know what I was expecting.
Did I don't know I didn't see it did anyone else see Voyage of the Last-a-Meter or I did
Last Voyage of the Last-a-Meter.
So we got a vampire movie on a boat that's like based on Nosferatu-ish and then in Nosferatu
we basically got that movie.
I was thinking about it the whole time yeah.
Was it better than all of the last Voyage of the Last-a-Meter?
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Did nobody see it but me?
No I didn't see it.
I wanted to see it.
It was like a very okay movie it was fine.
Yeah.
Didn't have Davos, Davos Seawater, Seawater, Seawater whatever his name is.
Yeah.
I actually speaking about Nosferatu himself I thought fucking Bill Skarsgård was so good.
Yeah I was wondering if he's gonna get typecasts after it and this is he gonna get typecasts
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as movie goons?
Maybe.
At least he's not gonna get typecasts as a freaking weirdo.
Mainly because his other movies aren't that good.
The Crow.
It's like what it's like all he's good at.
Yeah he will forever be cast as freaks and weirdos because that's just what he's really
good at that though like I'm not saying that as a negative he's really good at playing
freaks and weirdos.
Like I think he gave like the best performance in the entire film.
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Like I the first like half hour to the first like hour of the movie I was I just completely
forgot that was Bill Skarsgård.
It didn't hit me that that was Bill Skarsgård until I remembered while watching the movie
that he was cast as Count Orlok and I was like oh yeah that's that's Bill Skarsgård
that's crazy like it doesn't sound like him at all and doesn't look like him at all either.
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It really seems like he does a lot better of a job whenever he's like given a character
to like really lose himself.
Where he disappears.
Yeah because if you like you know like I don't know what was that uh because even Barbarian
which I fucking love Barbarian I was just like didn't do whatever.
He was in yeah he was serviceable.
Oh yeah yeah.
He was the opening like 20 minutes or whatever he was in that.
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He was the nice guy.
I forgot.
He wasn't presented as a nice guy initially but then he was like he would convince you
that he was a nice guy.
And it turns out he was the creep.
He was the creep that was a secret Chad the whole time.
Yeah.
All right well I'll do my number four uh which was I saw the TV glow which is I believe the
second film from Jane Schoenbrunn.
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They made this movie I've read as like sort of sort of a light loose allegorical take on
their um understanding and like coming out of the closet as trans or their transition
which I didn't I didn't know that.
I learned that like looking into it afterwards.
And that I mean I took something completely different from the movie but um it's basically
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about how people you know get get stuck in immersing themselves in art and using that
as an escape mechanism when they don't really like who they are as people.
Um this is you know the the main characters in this in this show get so heavily obsessed
with this old like nostalgic TV show from when they were kids that they start to believe
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that they actually are characters from the show.
Um have you guys seen this at all?
I haven't.
That sounds cool.
I wanted to see it.
It's on my watch list and I wanted to see it but I just didn't have the time.
Yeah I saw that.
It's really really good.
I just realized I saw their previous movie.
I'm seeing Fred Durst is in it.
Who the fuck is Fred Durst playing it?
He's the guy from uh the finale with John Travolta.
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Well he directed that movie.
Ah yes.
Which was fucking horrible.
I didn't realize that Fred Durst was in it.
Oh I'm just looking at the cast right now.
Did anyone see uh did anyone see their previous film We're All Going to the World's Fair?
That's also my watch list.
I haven't seen that.
I actually did not like it very much.
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Um I really liked it from like from from seeing how incredibly low budget it literally feels
like they had no budget.
Um like I kind of really appreciate it but just it just didn't click.
It just didn't mesh for me.
But I'm willing to hear other arguing points.
It just didn't really do anything for me.
I haven't seen that one yet.
Would you say it's something I would like?
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I saw the TV glow?
Ah probably not.
No I'm just saying the first movie.
I would say I don't think you'd like We're All Going to the World's Fair.
I think I think you guys would all get well maybe Nick I don't know if would like I saw
the TV glow.
Why me?
Because I think you because it's we know you don't like gay people.
Do we really need to remind you?
Do we really need to teach you this lesson again old man?
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Yeah first the last of us.
What are the people that hate gay people?
Why can't I think of the word?
Homophobe?
Yeah am I a homophobe now?
What's happening here?
No it's not a transphobe because it's a trans thing but whatever.
It's all about just coming out.
For me at least like the queerness of the story was very much an undertone.
I mean there's nothing really major in it that I feel like was beating you over the
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head with any kind of LGBT message.
Not that that's going to put you off Nick.
I'm just saying it's not really that kind of movie.
It's definitely allegorical I guess but yeah definitely one of my favorite horror movies
of the year.
I really like it.
Call Me By Your Name is one of my favorite movies.
So I don't hate gay people okay.
Or gay things.
He's the I actually have gay friends so it's okay if I say that word.
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I actually don't have gay friends but I haven't tried okay.
I actually love black people.
I love 12 Years a Slave.
You know it's like the same fucking argument.
No I'm saying it's not off putting for me in movies is all I'm saying.
I can watch Dudes Make Out and it doesn't weird me out okay.
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Alright well you do your four Nick.
We already talked about it.
It's Furiosa.
Alright so Tim what's your three?
Oh yeah my number three is a movie called The Nickel Boys directed by Rommel Ross.
I hope hopefully I said that correctly.
Yeah I got to see this at New York Film Festival.
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It was probably one of the last few movies I saw there and it's probably the best thing
I saw at the festival and yeah one of my favorite movies of this year.
I don't want to spoil too much about it because I think it's getting a theatrical release
either like I think sometime in January or something.
I don't know.
It'll be out in theaters soon so I don't really want to spoil anything but it's a very – man
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how do I talk about this film without spoiling?
Just give us the general premise.
Okay so basically the premise is that it follows the friendship of two black kids who are forced
into this prep school that does a lot of alleged illegal no no shit and it's just kind of
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them exploring their friendship and how they survive in this very racially tense environment
and just finding themselves as people within their society and stuff.
It's kind of a vague way to describe it.
I don't know.
I want to be more specific but that's as general as it can get.
It's a very visceral experience.
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The film is shot in a very interesting way.
It is very experimental I'll just say that.
I want to use a movie to compare it to but then I would just spoil something major so
I would rather not.
But just know that it's not an average sort of like film about race relations during the
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1960s that sort of stuff or regular coming of age story.
It's presented in a much more interesting and unique way that didn't really work for
a lot of people.
So when I went to go see this and I talked to some people who went to go see it, it was
very mixed.
Some were very not open.
They hated the way the film was shot and presented.
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I really loved it.
I thought it was really interesting and was probably the most unique aspect about the
film.
But even like taking aside how it's shot, I think the most important thing is it's a
very emotionally powerful and rich story about two kids finding themselves especially in
a very hostile environment and them trying to find their place in the world and also
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the friendship that blossoms between the two and then eventually things take a curve and
all this other stuff.
I'm sure there is someone who could better explain the plot than I can, but that's the
best I can do.
Okay, let me see how Wikipedia explains the plot and see if that does a better job.
No, that's okay.
You don't have to do that.
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I think you gave me some pictures.
I didn't know anything about the movie.
I didn't know anything about it when I went to go see it.
I went in just completely blind and it was a really amazing experience because after
the movie was shown, just the cast and the director came on stage and they just answered
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questions about what they like about the movie, what were they thinking when they were making
the film, blah, blah, blah, that sort of stuff.
Okay, here is a better premise explainer on Wikipedia.
The story follows two African American boys, Elwood and Turner, who are sent to an abusive
reform school called the Nickel Academy in 1960s Florida.
The film is inspired by the historic reform school in Florida called the Dozier School
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for Boys, which was notorious for abusive treatment of students.
So there you go.
Got it.
No, I think you gave a fine synopsis.
So I might be the only person in the group.
Maybe I'm not.
Maybe Stop Culture is also with me.
I threw Dune Part 2 in my top three or my number three slot.
I don't know.
Does anyone else have Dune 3 or Dune Part 2?
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Dune is my top.
I just released Top of the Year, number one.
Oh, hell yeah.
I just released the whole video shitting on Dune.
So yeah, I know.
There's a lot of problems today with you, Nick.
I enjoyed Dune Part 2.
I mean, I didn't hate it.
I liked it a lot.
But to say it's like I don't even think it's the best movie of the year, much less than
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the top 250 letterbox movies of all time.
So part of what I really like about the movie are just the world building, a lot of the
really extraordinary visuals and some of the performances, especially from people like
Javier Bardem and fucking what's his face Elvis man.
Yeah.
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Thank you.
I still remember the Getty Prime scene where he's fighting in that big black and white
gladiator match.
That was an incredibly incredible scene.
I thought that was awesome.
I just think that I really enjoyed it.
But I think what holds this film back for me are just things that I don't really know
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how to describe it because it's been a while since I've seen the movie.
I think at the end of the day, some of the action scenes got super mindless.
I wasn't a big fan of the scene where they shoot rocket launchers at the giant ship thing.
I wasn't a huge fan of that.
You know, a lot of the set up.
Or were they against the ornithopter, that scene or the helicopter scene where they have
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to get to the shield?
I think so.
They were shooting rocket launchers.
Yeah, they were shooting rocket launchers at something.
Or Hemins and Dyer going on some mission to shoot rockets and shit.
Oh, I thought that was such a sick action sequence.
I don't know.
It was really creative and very engaging.
I don't really care too much for that.
But there were some action scenes that I did really, really like.
Like I said, the gladiator match.
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I really liked the final fight between Paul and...
Fade Rautha.
Fade Rautha, yeah.
But then there were just some other parts where I'm like, are you really just going
to set this up for the next movie and not have this resolved?
The whole Anya Taylor Joy is the baby inside lady from Mission Impossible.
Are we really going to do this?
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You know, like things like that.
It's better off than that.
I thought.
Yeah.
Do you remember how Lynch handled that?
It was a fucking mess, dude.
Might as well just have...
It is now.
What crazy entire arc.
Yeah, just have fucking Anya Taylor Joy be herself in the next one and that'll be fine.
Yeah, that's fine.
Do you guys think they're going to do old age makeup on Tim Chim?
Hmm.
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I don't know, maybe he's supposed to be like 35, I think, in Dune Messiah.
So I don't think he needs to be that much older.
I mean, they're filming it next year.
Yeah, next year, I think.
Yeah.
Yeah, I personally, I love this movie.
I thought it was beautiful visually.
I thought it was thought provoking in a way that most blockbuster movies aren't.
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I think Paula Trades is a fascinating character.
I think Timothee Chalamet was great in the role.
Zendaya, I think we talked about this.
She's not my favorite part of the movie, but I think this was probably my favorite performance
I've seen from her.
I'm pretty sure.
I thought, yeah, all the bit players are amazing.
I mean, generally, my favorite thing about the first Dune book and the first two films
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in Villeneuve's saga is the...
I made a video about it, but the way it kind of like deconstructs the chosen one myth,
the chosen one trope that Paula Trades is the chosen one basically only because of this
fucked up eugenic breeding program.
Yeah, they manufactured a prophecy figure.
Yeah, and then the way that's used against the native population to basically work against
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their own best interests eventually, which is really kind of tragic and heartbreaking.
But yeah, I think Dune, I think it'll go down.
If he sticks landing with the third one, I think it'll go down as one of the, if not
the best, like sci-fi trilogy of all time, probably, in my opinion.
I think it's an amazing first start.
I've read the first three books and knowing what's coming next in the next part of the
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series, I just don't care.
They didn't set me up to give a fuck.
You're not excited for the silent?
Should I spoil anything?
No.
I don't know if I should, okay, I won't spoil anything.
But like they need to spend a lot of the time that they spent on like beautiful visuals
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and action scenes on developing Paul as a character.
So whatever what happens happens, I actually care.
Because I think he's super fascinating.
Yeah, he's really well developed.
What are you missing in terms of his character development?
Emotions.
I think he had a ton of emotions and it's also the kind of the point that it's an inverse
of that where the final 30 minutes where he does take that dive and he becomes essentially
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this detached being that sees time.
I saw him as detached the entire fucking both of the movies.
I didn't see much react.
The only time I saw him react was like the scene with him being sad about Duncan Idaho
dying.
If you knew what was going to happen right before it happened and like every major crossroads
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of your life, maybe you would seem detached to that's kind of the thing about Paul.
Like he can see everything that's going to happen, especially once he takes that the
blue worm urine, every drinks.
Yes.
Yeah, he can see it all before it happens.
So he's like, of course he's going to be fucking out.
I guess it's like it's like one of those things where like whenever I'm reading a book, I
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can almost look at it as like more informational and I can kind of just take it as in like
this happens, this happens.
It's kind of sick.
But I just feel like I have more of an expectation to like feel something when I watch a movie
and I just I feel like maybe this just isn't my type of story.
Like honestly, that's what it is.
Like maybe on film, it's not for me.
I mean, I don't I don't know.
For me, it's it's heartbreaking to watch.
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What's what is Javier Bardem's character's name?
I haven't seen it.
Stillgar.
Stillgar.
Yeah.
To watch to watch Stillgar become someone who's, you know, fighting for his people.
He befriends Paul and kind of takes him in and at first he's keeping him at a distance
and, you know, eventually they become friends.
But over the course of the movie, you watch him go from that to a total like zealot, you
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know, religious zealot and eventually like working against the interests of his own people,
which is tragic.
Everything.
I thought it was interesting when they made when they made Javier Bardem's character this
like mentor figure, but then he slowly becomes a follower and eventually this like religious
follower was just like, yes, hell yeah.
The what what did they say?
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Is Lisa Al-Ghaib or something?
Lisa Al-Ghaib.
Yeah, hell yeah.
There's my man.
Yeah, I thought that was an interesting character arc he goes through.
Yeah, that's the thing.
I think the whole everything that happens is interesting.
I just I can't connect to any of the characters enough to like care about what happens to
them.
Yeah, I mean, that's kind of one of the main criticisms of the Dune book series, I think,
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is that it is it's kind of cold and detached.
It's not necessarily as especially, you know, if we're going to go off your video, the comparison
you made like Lord of the Rings is a much more intimate story for sure.
But Dune isn't really trying to be that it's not interested in being that.
But for what it is, I think it does.
It performs its function.
I agree.
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I feel like I had like a huge list of positives for the film.
So it's like if you like any of those things, then like you're probably going to like the
movies.
Yeah, it's hard.
It's hard as well to compare Lord of the Rings to Dune because Lord of the Rings is I think
I always say Dune is to sci fi what Lord of the Rings is to fantasy where but the difference
being Lord of the Rings is a very basic narrative and thematic story about good versus evil
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where Dune is a very morally gray story about space politics and I don't even think it's
yeah, I don't even think it's fair to compare the two like because they come from completely
different perspectives like the Lord of the Rings as a concept and the way that the lore
is established is inherently wrapped up in Catholicism like their Catholicism is the
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basic foundation of the entire fantasy of well, hold on, hold on, let me finish my point.
It's like entirely wrapped up in Catholicism the way like religion is organized and how
like it's this conventional story between good versus evil but Dune, it's the complete
the whole point is it's deconstruction.
It's deconstructing the entire idea of religion especially when you use religion as like a
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tool for military efforts and politics and gaining power and things like that, you know,
because do because sorry what the Paul that was it.
Paul Atreides isn't meant to be this Frodo character that you can sympathize with and
you can connect with and have this emotional journey on.
He's very much this character who starts out as a traditional sci-fi fantasy protagonist
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whatever, but then he slowly morphs into this detached like, you know, he's kind of like
he was a false title where it's like, yeah, he's kind of like Dr. Manhattan where he's
like he's so above humanity that like how can he possibly have any connection or human
attachment to the characters when he's this God that he's so like belovedly worshiped,
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you know, he's this all powerful being.
And I think that's like the most interesting thing about the film and that's really what
I connect with more than anything, you know, action scenes are nice and visuals are nice
but you know, it's that core emotional story that I really like above all else.
But I think when it comes down to it like movies, like I could make the same comparison
towards fucking Game of Thrones or I could make the same comparison for Star Wars versus
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do it doesn't matter what fantasy series it is.
All these things are about the characters that you connect with and like even like as
much as I fucking hate the like Snyder, no, I don't hate as much as people shit talk the
fucking Snyder Watchmen movies, right?
Like they basically set up like Rorschach as the main character.
They tone down his like sociopathy to make him a relatable character.
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And I think they did that to make the ending hit harder.
And with what's going to happen to his character, you can disagree with me all you want.
It's fine.
But like, yeah, I know.
But like, but like the reason he did that, regardless of whether it worked for you or
not is so whenever fucking Dr. Manhattan snaps his fingers and Rorschach dies, I actually
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care that he died.
Right.
And that's similar to like Dune.
They need to be.
I, in my opinion, they needed to make small changes to the story to make me actually care
about what happens to these people.
Well, the thing with all is like, Paul has a couple of different conflicts going on because
he, he under as soon as he starts ingesting spice, he realizes that he has this prescient
ability where you can see events before they happen.
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And he understands as soon as he meets up with the Fremen that if he keeps on going
along that path, because of what the Bene Gesserit laid before him, the tracks of the
Lisan Al-Gha'i prophecy, he can utilize that to get revenge for against the Harkonnens
for his father's death.
So he has this conflict in him the entire time.
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Like basically the only way that he knows for sure he can avoid the coming, the jihad
that's going to happen in his name is to leave the planet entirely.
But his need for revenge because they killed Leto is too great.
So he's like, no, I actually I fucked that.
I don't care how many people die.
I'm going to kill the Harkonnens no matter what happens.
Like that's basically Paul's internal struggle.
And I guess they could have, they could have elaborated on that a little bit more, but
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I kind of like it.
I think they gave it enough.
Yeah.
I mean, even like blatantly says that he's like, if I go south, I see a war in my name
and I don't know how to feel about that.
Like so many people are going to die if I do that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe it just wasn't my cup of tea.
That's okay.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
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So then who's next for their three?
I think it's me or you, you or me.
Did you already go?
I didn't go yet.
So yeah, so it's me.
Yeah, it's me.
Call Trinic.
This is going to be another contentious one.
Long legs, my number three movie of the year.
I thought you didn't like long legs.
I loved it.
You guys, you guys both hated it.
I didn't hate it.
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I just, I thought it was kind of boring.
No, I loved it.
I mean, I thought, I thought it was the, the twist was cool.
I thought Nicholas Cage was amazing.
I thought the cinematography was amazing.
Even the, the, the main characters performance was kind of subdued in a really, in a really
cool way.
I thought the sca, the, the ending scene was, was really climactic to me and cool.
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I loved, I loved how just like Nicholas Cage teeters on the edge of being hilarious and
fucking terrifying in this movie.
I really appreciated that.
I liked the, the whole, the twist with her mom.
I thought it was interesting that she was working with Nicholas Cage was really cool.
Yeah.
I all around just thought this movie was great.
Did you guys do an episode on this?
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What?
No.
Did you guys talk about this on the app at all?
It came up like once or twice.
I feel like we did.
I hadn't seen it.
I hadn't seen it when we talked about it.
I hadn't watched it yet.
Honestly, I thought Nicholas Cage's performance was good.
I just thought the police work itself was very dicey to me.
It like kind of felt very like contrived for the plot.
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It felt kind of weird.
And then it also just moved really slow.
When the fuck did you graduate from the Academy?
I'm, I mean, apparently, I'm going to be on.
I'm going to be honest.
This movie is so forgettable that I've literally forgotten everything about the film.
I can't even like make interesting points about the film because the movie went one
year in the other year out.
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It's such a nothing forgettable, boring, shitty, generic horror movie that if you've ever seen
a horror movie ever in your life, then you've seen all of long legs before ever in your
life.
That is such bullshit.
The first two, here's what I remember.
I remember the first two thirds of the movie being incredibly boring.
And then the last third of the movie being unintentionally hilarious.
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I remember all the really funny barnyard level shit that happens that I was just like, come
the fuck on.
There's no way this shit is happening.
Like you were talking about like Nicholas Cage was good in the movie.
I thought Nicholas Cage was good in the sense that his performance reminded me of his performance
in shit like, I don't know, like Wicker Man or Vampire's Kiss or something like that.
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So I was like laughing at literally everything Nicholas Cage was saying or doing because
it was just the most unintentionally hilarious.
There was nothing about his performance that was scary to me.
I was laughing literally everything that he did.
And then like the whole twist ending where it's like, oh, actually, my mom was a crazy
devil worshiper too, and I'm like, wow, crazy.
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That's not even what the twist was.
There's something like that.
Like, like I said, the movie went one year in, the other year out.
I've forgotten like everything about the movie, but I just remember the twist ending just
being like, oh, okay, cool.
Great.
Whatever.
She wasn't a devil worshiper.
She wasn't a devil worshiper too.
She was basically blackmailed.
No, she helped.
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She helped Nicholas Cage do his pranking, do his schemes and stuff.
She had to protect her daughter from him.
What do you think, Gullif?
I was so fucking hyped when this movie was coming out.
I loved all the marketing.
They wouldn't even put out trailers.
They would just put out like clips that were titled like legs or something like that.
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Just like, you know, very vague stuff.
And the entire clip would be like 20, 30 seconds of like a family's photo zooming in while
it's a 911 call.
I'm like, this is super interesting.
I loved all that.
I liked it.
And I was like, yeah, I was just super interested by the marketing, which might've hurt me in
the end because I went in and I was like, oh, well, the marketing feels like a very
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different film that it was pitching than this because I don't know.
I kind of felt like it needed to pick a lane because when it started, it was like vaguely
supernatural and then it was, but it felt like it could have been a Zodiac type movie.
And then it just, I don't know, it feels like it was struggling to fully commit to
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one, like, are we going to have supernatural ghost stuff or is it going to be just a straight
up procedural?
That was big into the concept.
I think I listened to an interview with Oz Perkins and he was like, what if we did something
like Silence of the Lambs, but it was a supernatural vibe or the presence of a villain was supernatural.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
It's funny you mentioned that because I haven't seen Silence of the Lambs, but I've seen
Manhunter, the Michael Mann film.
I feel like that's basically what this movie was trying to go for, but significantly better.
It's not supernatural, but it's kind of the same thing where it's like, oh, cop that's
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deranged and crazy is going after a spooky killer who's doing some horror killing shit.
So you know, but where Manhunter succeeds that this movie fails is that for starters,
the actual both horror, quote unquote, I don't really consider Manhunter a horror film, but
the police procedural aspects are really interesting.
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The performances are really great.
You know, and there's this really cool, like Michael Mann's really good with visuals, so
there's this really cool color palette.
So is Oz Perkins.
He's excellent with visuals.
None of that was in the movie.
It was the most brilliant looking film ever.
It was so cool.
It was so boring to look at.
I disagree.
I don't think the movie was boring to look at at all.
It fucking looked amazing.
It was incredible.
There was, you can clearly see they had an idea.
There were some interesting shots.
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While this movie wasn't for me, I definitely, no, I was saying while this movie definitely
wasn't for me, I was thinking like, I'll go check out this director's next movie because
it did look really cool.
Yeah, I could never say that this movie didn't look good.
I think it looked visually pretty fucking cool.
There was like that specific kind of
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shot where I think it was in the first 30 minutes where she, I forgot the main character's
name, where she's talking on the phone with her mom and you get that shot of like going
at the front of the police station, it's like pitch black outside and then it heads up the
stairs and then it's like this blinding light coming down from the stairs while she's like
conflicted talking to her mom about how she needs to be praying and stuff.
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I don't know, there's like clearly, you can't say it was like fucking no.
And it even made scenes of them like driving around look nice.
I think it was like the scene where the interrogation scene, when Nicholas Cage first meets the
main FBI protagonist was, I thought was really well done.
And also another thing that you guys are talking about that is baked into the concept, which
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you can like it or not, but this is why he wanted Nicholas Cage to almost be someone
that you can make fun of because Oz Perkins said that he was tired of seeing these serial
killer movies that make these these villains out to be these, you know, tortured geniuses.
Like yeah, well, effectively, yeah.
People that like, you know, Kevin Spacey in seven or even like the Zodiac killer.
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Yeah, Jeffrey Dahmer.
He's so hot guys.
Super geniuses.
Yeah, like he wanted, he wanted to make something where it would be impossible for people that
are actually serial killers to look and look and idolize this person and to show them how
they probably are like these fucking incel weirdos.
I mean, Nicholas Cage, I thought it was funny that he got attached to the like 1970s satanic
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rock or whatever.
So he was always singing like that.
I really like that about the movie.
But yeah, I don't know.
I feel like David Fincher in part kind of popularizes genre where now in pop culture,
serial killers and true crime to serial killers are feared and people hate them, but they
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also respect them with this kind of the silent reverence.
Like oh, there's there are these tortured geniuses actually, even though they fucking
are terrible people who kill people who deserve no respect.
And I think making a movie like this is kind of is kind of it's kind of a nice subversion.
I don't know.
I'm glad you mentioned David Fincher and whoever said Zodiac.
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I think it was Ethan who's mentioned Zodiac because like Zodiac isn't a horror film, but
it's more effective in presenting scenes of terror better than this fucking film can because
part of what I really love about Zodiac is that it is a police procedural.
It's an event.
It's an investigation story.
But the parts that are just terrifying are just, you know, scenes that don't need to
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rely on shitty like high octane music to sell these moments of fear.
Like I really love that scene where in OK, spoilers for Zodiac where a woman and her
child gets into the car and she doesn't realize it's the Zodiac killer.
But the Zodiac killer is like, I'm going to kill you and then I'm going to kill your baby
or whatever.
And like it's this like incredibly tense moment.
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And you know, the lighting also blocks out the Zodiac's like face.
You don't know what the killer looks like.
And it's it's so effective in constructing scenes of terror in a movie that's not even
a horror film.
And then you have something like this where I guess conceptually they do a good job setting
up scenes of horror.
They conceptually they introduce spooky elements, but it just doesn't go anywhere in any direction
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that I find interesting or scary or even compelling.
It's just.
I don't know, some police shit happens and then some saintean shit happens and the movie's
over.
Like I said, I I wish I can say more and go into more details like I wish I could explain
why I got nothing out of the film visually if I don't even remember a lot from the movie
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anyway.
So I will.
OK, that's there is one shot that I do remember.
I remember the way the camera moves while Michael Monroe's character is like running around
the house because she thinks Nicolas Cage's character is nearby the house or something
like that or in the house.
I don't remember if that was a scene, but I remember the way the camera moves in that
sequence.
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I thought, OK, that's pretty impressive.
I'll give it that.
But yeah, I didn't have any high expectations.
It was about what I expected.
I watched what the fuck was that movie called?
The Blackoats Daughter or something like that.
I watched that before I watched Long Legs to prepare myself because I had never seen
an Oz Perkins film before.
Both of those movies were so boring and so forgettable that I don't remember anything
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from either experiences.
So sorry, Jesus.
Sorry.
I you guys seem to love it slash enjoy it.
That's fine.
That's great.
Don't let me ruin your party.
I'm a Debbie down.
I don't know if I said anything that good about it except Nick.
Yeah, culture Nick clearly likes it.
I gave it a five out of 10, but I can clearly appreciate.
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I think it looks great.
I think there are some really cool ideas.
Everything is a half positive for me.
I'm like, it looks great.
But the story is interesting.
And even though he got a good performance out of all his actors too.
I do think the performance were good.
My main issue with Nicolas Cage, I saw it with my siblings and they were like, it shouldn't
have been Nicolas Cage.
And I was like, I totally disagree.
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I think honestly, I would have rather just not seen Nicolas Cage's face like fully in
frame like the opening scene where he's talking to the main character and you just only get
like the his nose down.
And I was like, this is kind of eerie.
I know it's Nick Cage.
That was incredibly effective.
That scene.
Yeah, I wish they just never showed his full face on screen.
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I wish whenever you saw him, the frame was just a jar.
I think that would have been more effective to me because as soon as you see him, I'm
like, oh yeah, there's Nick Cage.
Yeah, I can see that.
I mean, I understand why people don't like it.
I love this movie.
I love all of Oz Perkins movies, actually.
I think he's a great director.
So my number three.
You know what's funny?
I, sorry, I don't mean to interrupt.
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Sorry, one thing.
So kind of, so here, it really shows my feelings for the film.
The movie was so forgettable.
I forgot to add it to my 2024 ranked movies list after I rated it.
So I thought that was kind of funny.
Anyway, yeah.
VHS, Nick.
Go ahead.
So my number three is one that I've kind of talked shit about already this year in one
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of our episodes, the substance, which that's my fucking number one shit.
So that is also my number one as much shit talk as I've talked about this movie.
It is a very memorable movie and I think it did a lot of things I really, really enjoyed.
So I mean, it was super, super nice to look at.
All the performances were awesome.
It was just really, really fun movie.
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And as much as I think they like fucking were hammering that message into my head over and
over and over and over again, and the last bit of the movie was a bit unnecessary for
me.
I still, I still am going to probably rewatch this movie quite a few times and I really
liked it.
I really got a chance to watch it before we did that.
We're not going to spoil.
Yeah, we're not going to spoil.
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Don't worry.
Yeah.
I, you mentioned that they hammer home the message over and over again, but I don't know.
It's like the point, you know, it's not a very subtle movie.
It's very explicit.
It's very in your face about what it's going for and what it is.
You know, I, I, I had a very cathartic experience of this film.
I went to go see it like in between movies at a New York film festival and I was like,
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Oh, the substance.
I've heard a lot of great things about it and I can't explain why, but I just had the
biggest smile on this on my face because this movie is just for me.
This is exactly what I love.
I really love.
I love body horror.
I love campy over the top, dark humor.
I love insane, crazy performances from actors.
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I really love really sick and visually impressive camera movements.
I love, like, I love how bold and unafraid it is to just present all of these crazy moments
and just fully commit, you know, like, cause I, my main concern with a movie like this
is that, you know, like it would, it would do something like, it would just be weird
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for the sake of weird.
Like it's just, it just hammers home how weird and crazy it is, but like, there's no point
or substance to it.
And what I love about this movie is, I mean, other than I had, Oh, wait, sorry.
You said, nevermind.
You said there's a pun.
You said there's substance to this.
I said pun.
Anyway, keep going.
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Yeah.
Haha.
He said it.
Family guy.
Yeah.
Is, yeah, it's, it's like, I, my God, I'm trying to.
Sorry.
I really fucked you up.
No, no, it's fine.
I, I don't, I is, okay.
Let me, let me start from, let me restart my point somewhere.
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It's it, it just goes hogwatt.
Like it's an incredibly maximalist over the top, just in your face, campy, gory, bloody
good time.
It's, I don't know.
It's a movie made for people like myself.
I'm, I like freaks.
I like freaky things.
I like, I like weird shit and this is exactly what I want.
The performances are just incredible.
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The gore in particular is really, really impressive.
Like there were a lot of moments where I just went, how did you pull that off?
Like I would love to watch like a behind the scenes footage, video, whatever, just kind
of going into like some of the behind the scenes, how they pulled off some of the gore
effects and some of the special effects in the film.
I want to know how did they make Dennis Quaid look so disgusting while he was eating lobster?
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Oh, they just filmed him on his breaks.
Just, just, yeah.
Yeah.
Just, just accident, just film him when he, when he's not looking and Dennis Quaid will
be like, wait, we're on a movie.
I thought I was just being myself.
I was just being disgusting.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
And it's crazy because Dennis Quaid is grosser than anything that happens in this entire movie.
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Yeah.
That made me feel fucking nauseous every time they showed us, cause every time he eats,
it's like up close in his mouth and he's like, just like mushing shrimp into his gums.
It's disgusting.
Yeah.
His character is somehow less evil than his character, Reagan from Reagan.
Yeah.
I, I fucking love this movie.
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I, I was like, I've been waiting to watch this one because I don't know, I haven't watched
enough body horror and I've heard everyone's like, everyone's just saying body horrors
back, baby.
Check out Titan.
Titan.
Ten is amazing too.
Yeah.
You both said it like two fucking different ways.
So, it's pronounced to ten.
Yeah.
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Okay.
But yeah, no, I fucking loved it.
I really liked Demi Moore.
I'm not familiar with her, but I kind of, this was a very like, honestly a very brave
role to take, especially considering the subject matter and the themes of the movie itself.
But like, her and Margaret Qualley just, they're naked for like 40% of this movie.
Lots of ash shots.
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There's a lot of, a lot of butt shots and there's just like, and the makeup is just
incredible without getting spoilers.
Just like the final third, the fucking makeup goes hard, dude.
Yeah.
You know, what's interesting is that I could see like Demi Moore is amazing, incredible.
It gives one of the best performances of the year.
I hope to God she gets nominated for some Oscars, but probably not because it's a horror
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movie.
Yeah.
They don't like horror movies.
Yeah.
Her performance.
Like Kat's here, nominated for best picture.
Oh yeah, that's true.
Yeah, that was a real crime.
Her performance in this film kind of reminded me of Michael Keaton's character from Birdman,
where you can kind of see like elements of their real life, like injected into their
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character.
Like maybe they're not having such struggles to the extreme that their characters are experiencing
in their respective films, but you can see like elements of their real life bleed into
the character.
And it has that like sense of familiarity to them where like they can really give this
like bombastic, very energetic performance that you haven't really seen them in like
any other movie.
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I mean, I'm not too familiar with Demi Moore either.
Demi Moore is not an amazing actress.
So like the fact that she did so well in this, I think there has to be some truth in that.
Well, you don't like ghosting?
That or just the director is really good, you know, like, you know, cause like the directing
is also incredible as well.
Like there were every single shot in this film.
I remember distinctly.
There was, this is such a gorgeous looking film, you know, like not just the way scenes
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are presented, not just like the color, but like the lighting as well.
And you know, the way that certain gore effects would just go on and on making you really
squeamish.
It's like, it's like a fun kind of squeamish uncomfortable, if that makes sense.
You know, like the, the, when violence in this happens, it just hits you like a truck
and I couldn't, I couldn't ask for anything else in the world.
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It's so, so fun, but so effective as well.
This is, yeah.
You should guys should like for anyone that hasn't seen it, just eat like a full plate
of like rotisserie chicken and then sit down.
Cocktail shrimp, drink a bunch of alcohol.
Honestly, this is just a fun group movie.
I saw this with my wife and her, her dad.
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My wife was just, was facing away from the screen the whole time because she doesn't
like horror or horror or gore.
But me and her entire reaction to this movie was us going, oh my God.
Oh, oh God.
Super fun.
You should definitely eat dinner while watching this movie for sure.
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Yeah, it'll be, it'll be great.
Yeah, but that's my number one.
That's my favorite movie of the year so far.
I haven't seen enough, but that that's it.
It's up there.
Yeah.
It's also my number one stealer, copier.
Nah, just kidding.
So I mean, anyone else have, yeah.
My next two are just ones that we've already talked about, Nosferatu and Dune too.
So, okay.
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Yeah.
Does anyone else have any other stuff?
My number one hasn't been touched, but Tim's probably has a, what's your number two, Tim?
My number two is Memoir of a Snail directed by Adam Elliott.
Yeah.
Has anyone, has anyone else seen it?
No.
Yeah.
It's stop motion animated.
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It's 90 minutes.
It's a breeze.
I got to see this one very, very early.
So here's a fun fact.
I guess I got to see this movie early enough and it wasn't getting enough coverage.
So I made a dumb review thing on Letterboxd and I didn't think much of it.
And then my friend sent me a message saying, hey, did you know that IFC or whichever production
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company was in charge of distributing the movie?
Did you know that they posted your review on their Instagram page?
And I was like, what, what are you talking about?
So I took a look.
I'll send it to in the group chat later.
But I, they apparently just posted my, my, my review on their Instagram as part of their
marketing on Instagram.
And I was like, this is kind of cool.
This is, this is interesting.
I wasn't aware of this.
That's really, that's really nice.
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That's really awesome.
But yeah.
Cool.
Yeah.
Have you guys seen Marion Max, the Adam Elliott's previous movie?
No, I've heard about it though.
I have seen it.
It's really good.
Yeah.
If you like Marion Max, then it's, it's kind of the same experience, but also not.
It's, it's, it's, it's a bit, it's been hard to explain.
Like Marion Max had a lot of dark and depressing moments for sure, but it still had that like
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upbeat, like cartoony tone to it that made everything very light and fun and entertaining
to watch.
I mean, there were still a lot of dark, depressing moments, but overall it's, you know, very
light.
Um, this one is much more depressing.
It's very much a film about characters who are just thrown into the fucking worst that
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life has to offer.
You know, there's this really great line, um, that, uh, Sarah Snook's character, uh,
uh, fucking what's her face.
Gracie, that was it.
Um, she's the main character.
Um, she talks about how, um, she, she always has to look at life as a glass half full or
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something like that.
And like trying to see the positive side of life, you know, trying to, you know, overcome
life struggles, you know, cause this film, you know, it puts his characters in a lot
of dark and upsetting and depressing situations.
And you know, they go through a lot of like terrible life struggles and transformations
and eventually, you know, cause it's a movie, they'll learn how to overcome these things,
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but it's still just a really just nonstop emotional experience.
I was really, really connecting with a lot of what the movie was offering.
I, I, I don't usually cry in movies and I still did it.
I still don't.
I didn't really, but this one got close.
I was like kind of tearing up a little bit.
Like I was choking up a little bit.
I was like, Oh God, I, I'm, I'm really feeling the emotion.
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Like I'm really, really picking up everything this film is giving me.
I still prefer Mary and Max over this one.
I like Mary and I still think Mary and Max is the better film, but this one is still
a really incredible film that not a lot of people have seen.
Like it was only in theaters for like, what, like a fucking day or two or some shit before
it went away.
And even then it wasn't in a lot of theaters.
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Like it's crazy that it was premiering in a theater near me, especially in early screening.
And I think I was only like one of five people who showed up for the early screening.
So you know, it, but yeah, I think it's on digital now.
I don't know if it's on a streaming service.
You might need to rent it or something like that.
But yeah, it's, it's an incredible, incredible film.
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And yeah, I'll, I'll watch it again soon.
It was, it was quite lovely.
Awesome.
So yeah, I'll definitely add that to the list.
I mean, Nosferatu was my number two, which we already talked about, but my number one
was Enora, which I just, I'm just a huge Sean Baker stan in this movie was really good.
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I mean, I think him, him actually hiring a lot of the like Russian actors for all the
characters, they all did a really good job.
I'm just really well shot, really well directed, really emotional.
I think I wouldn't expect me to like be a big fan of like all of his movies since they're
all like focused around sex workers, but like, I don't know.
It was just super fucking good.
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And what's her face from fucking Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, flamethrower chick.
She was super fucking good in it.
Mikey Madison.
Yeah.
She was excellent.
And Scream.
Oh yeah, I think she was.
And Five Cream.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I mean, I watched, I only watched, I took my sweet ass time watching it.
I only watched it like two days ago, but like, I don't know.
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They fucking get me in the feels every time these fucking movies, his movies are so goddamn
good.
Yeah.
I really wanted to see this one before we talked about it.
Same.
Well, whatever.
You don't have to watch all the 2024 movies in 2024.
It's hard to watch every movie that comes out in a year.
It's really difficult.
Yeah.
Probably better.
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We probably watch more than most.
As I say, as I watch so much shit.
Yeah.
At least I didn't fucking watch Madame Web.
Yeah.
The real cinema.
Yeah.
I saw, I really quite enjoyed Enora.
I think it's in my top 10.
Yeah.
It's like number seven or eight or something.
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Yeah.
I enjoyed it.
I saw it twice.
I saw it at New York Film Festival and then I saw it again once it got a wide release.
Yeah.
I really enjoyed it.
I think my score went down a little bit in the second watch because I saw more of the
flaws and issues I had with the film.
Because before I was, I was kind of hyped up in a film festival environment.
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I was kind of in the hype.
I was really just going along with everyone else.
But now that I'm seeing it with fresh eyes, it's not a bad movie or anything.
I really enjoyed it.
I gave it like an eight out of 10.
I wouldn't even say it's my favorite Sean Baker movie.
I think for me it is.
I'll probably need a rewatch Red Rocket because I gave that a similar score and I quite liked
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that as well.
I haven't seen Tangerine.
I'll probably get to that at some point.
Like you said, it manages to do both the funny, ha ha comedy bits, but also the super dramatic
bits, honestly within the same scene as well.
I love how Sean Baker can balance both tones within his films.
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Like you said, I really like Sean Baker's more authentic and honest portrayal of these
types of people.
Because when you think about a movie about stripper who falls in love with rich man,
you think pretty woman or some shit.
I love how it plays around with those conventions where it's like, okay, this isn't a fucking
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fairy tale.
This is real life.
This is what would actually happen if something like this were to happen.
I don't know how often this happens, but it's not an uncommon thing for a rich person to
pick up a poor woman off the streets and shit like that.
It was really interesting.
CB All of his movies are things that could actually happen.
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It doesn't feel like you're stepping so far out of reality, yet they're still riveting
and interesting.
IAN His movies are very, very American.
They explore the part of American culture and society that isn't talked about often,
whether it be movies or just any form of medium in general.
I think that's a really cool and interesting perspective that Sean Baker can give that
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I just don't see a lot of other directors or movies and stuff.
SEAN Alright guys, we got through all our lists.
You want to wrap it up?
Does anyone have like-
IAN Real quick.
Does anyone have any honorable bad movies that we saw this year?
Like worst shit?
CB Honorable bad movies?
IAN Yeah, honorably bad.
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SEAN Dishonorable mentions.
IAN Dishonorable mentions.
CB Where the fuck did I start?
IAN I didn't mention any of my bottom five.
SEAN I don't know, man.
IAN Raven.
I did actually have five that were the worst ones.
No one else saw this because I'm probably the only person on the planet that saw this
was the new Hellboy movie that came out this year.
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Not good.
It's a fucking waste of time.
Craving the Hunter, another waste of time.
Did anyone watch Night Swim?
CB I did watch Night Swim.
IAN It's a movie about a pool that kills you.
It's really bad.
SEAN That movie fucking sucked ass.
IAN It was dog shit-a-rooty.
SEAN Joker's an obvious honorable mention there.
IAN Didn't see it, so I'm safe.
CB I think Roadhouse, but I've honestly forgotten
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everything about Roadhouse.
IAN Roadhouse was pretty fucking terrible.
IAN Did anyone here see Damsel that was on Netflix
with Millie Bobby Brown?
SEAN No.
IAN It's so bad.
SEAN I finally got around to-
IAN No, it's just fucking horrible.
Go ahead.
SEAN I finally got around to Megalopolis.
That shit fucking licked asshole.
I feel like I'm the only one that has that perspective, but I thought Megalopolis was
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funny.
IAN It was funny, bad.
Barnyard, whatever.
IAN Yeah, Barnyard.
Get in the comments, start the trend.
IAN I gotta just say it now, because it just popped
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in my head.
I would give it to Madame Web.
If we have an annual Barnyard level Oscar award, then I would give it to Madame Web.
IAN Chris Stuckman's favorite movie of the year was Long Legs.
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IAN Is it actually?
SEAN No.
IAN It's actually Long Legs.
IAN It's Hundreds of Beavers.
Have you ever heard of this?
IAN I've been meaning to watch that.
It's on my watch list.
IAN Oh, you know what movie I fucking watched?
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That was really fucking bad.
Tarot.
Tara.
Tarot.
Netflix.
Whatever.
IAN I'm sure that was hilarious.
It was so goddamn bad.
Is that my thing?
Is that my Barnyard?
I just mispronounced something.
IAN Did you say Carrot?
IAN I just watched Dune by Denis Villanueva, I guess.
IAN That's why I pre-record my videos, guys.
Come on.
IAN Denis.
IAN Denis Villanueva.
IAN Okay.
I have a bunch of one out of ten movies that I've given.
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Well, okay.
Plus Kung Fu Panda 4 because fuck that film.
What a gigantic piece of fucking trash.
I hated that film.
IAN I'm sure it was great.
IAN Okay.
But I will give you all the one out of tens I've given this year, which is Madame Web,
Megalopolis, Night Swim, Craven Some Dick, The Garfield Movie, The Tiger's Apprentice,
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Rebel Moon Part 2, duh, whatever, Unfrosted, Borderlands, Red One, Lift, and The Crow.
IAN Damn.
Cool.
Just a shout out real quick, an honorable mention of mine, which probably wouldn't even
be in the top ten, but a movie that got a lot of hate that I think actually deserved
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a closer look was Alex Garland Civil War.
I feel like people expected it to be something that it never had any intention of being.
And maybe if you gave it another look as just what it wants to be instead of what you want
it to be, might like it more.
IAN It felt like a Purge movie to me.
It wasn't terrible, but it was like they shouldn't have named it something else, man.
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IAN Yeah, that was a marketing gimmick for sure.
Either name it something else or actually commit to what the fuck you're filming.
Because what I hated about the film is just how surface level and how it has absolutely
nothing interesting or unique to say about either American political culture or just
the fall of democracies in a lot of Western European countries in general.
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I think that would have been an interesting point to make, but it doesn't say anything
about any of those things.
It's just, yo bro, they shoot guns and shit and just, okay, great, cool.
Thanks Alex.
IAN It could have been about any war.
Being a war in America, a civil war in America, it didn't really play into the plot as much
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as I think most people wanted it to.
It ended up just being about how photojournalists get dehumanized after being close to war zones.
Who the fuck would have expected that?
It was just clickbait, but nobody would have gone to see it for what it was.
I guess it makes sense.
IAN Yeah, I don't know.
Do you guys have a list of movies that you want to see but you haven't got a chance to
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see?
Because I have a list of things that I need to watch that'll dry my damn ass to get to.
I saw the TV Glow.
IAN This year specifically?
IAN Yeah, like 2024 movies.
I saw the TV Glow was one that I really want to watch.
I heard Dee Dee was good.
I'll probably watch that at some point.
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I heard surprisingly good things about Transformers 1 and my friend really wants me to watch Transformers
1 so I might watch it at some point.
I really want to watch The Apprentice, the Ali Abbasi Donald Trump movie.
I heard that was good.
IAN What's the one about the monkey?
The guy who turns himself into a monkey?
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I want to see that.
IAN Oh, what?
IAN Are you talking about Monkey Man or are you
talking about the biopic of a guy who is a monkey?
IAN The Robbie Williams movie?
IAN Yeah, I want to see that.
IAN Oz Perkins has a monkey movie coming out in February.
IAN Monkey paw.
IAN Monkey.
IAN Alright, well, yeah, let's close it out here,
guys.
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IAN Long episode.
IAN Alright.
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Thank you all for watching and I guess we'll see you in 2025.
IAN Bye 2024.
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IAN Bye.
IAN Bye.