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So if you think about it, the Snyder Cut fans and the Drake fans in the year of 2025 have

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a lot in common because they're both unrealistically and obsessively...
Listen, listen, listen, listen.
I hate to interrupt, but welcome to Hate to Interrupt episode, what are we, 22, 23?
I am Ethan, otherwise known as guluf on youtube.com slash guluf.
I am joined by...
Nick from Stop Culture.
The adjust guy, Nick.

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And today...
Yeah, today we're talking about...
We wanted to cover some of our box office predictions for the blockbuster movies that
are coming out over the summer.
There's like three big ones that we want to get into and talk about some of the trailers.
And then as the second week of our Ode to Love in February of 2025, we're going to

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be talking about Chungking Express, the 1994 Wan Kar Wai movie.
Was it 94?
Yeah, 1994.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So let's get into...
Let's talk a little bit about...
Let's start with Superman.
I mean, Guluf, you made a video about the Superman trailer.
You're pretty hyped on it, right?

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I'm a certified James Gunn enjoyer.
And it wasn't until just him being attached to do a Superman movie that I was actually
interested.
And all it took was that first trailer to really get me on board.
So I'm so excited for this one.
Because I don't know about you guys, but I did not connect with Zack Snyder's dark and

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pretty...
I thought Man of Steel sucked.
And I'm excited for it too.
But I don't think how good I think it's going to be really ties into my predictions on it
either.
Same.
I'm in the same.
Yeah.
I mean, it's tricky with Superman and Batman, because I feel like just thinking about it
right off the bat, you would assume that a Superman or Batman movie would do better than

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a Marvel movie.
But that's in the past 15 years or so, it hasn't really been the case.
Since the Dark Knight, I don't think there's been a Batman or even a DC movie that's even
come close to outperforming Marvel at the box office.
So we're going to be pitting them against each other this summer.
I would have to assume that even though the Superman movie has a lot going for it with

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the DC rebrand and everything, I have to assume that Marvel is going to continue to hold out
even though it's on a decline.
At least until DC proves themselves a little bit.
I think they're both in an interesting spot.
That's why I think the comparisons are so fun.
Because you have two companies or two brands, you have DC and you have Marvel that are both

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in these really pivotal points of their lifespan.
You have DC has to kick off this brand new series of movies, reinvent the franchise with
Superman, which is DC's golden boy that's there, except for Batman, who's the moneymaker.
But Superman is DC.
He is the superhero you think of.
And then you have Marvel, who has been kind of petering off in the last few years, just

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not really sure how to get their footing after Endgame because so many people jumped off
after that.
And now they've got all their IPs back after purchasing Fox or most of them.
And Fantastic Four is like the first big Marvel team from the comics.
So you have these two iconic characters that are essentially this big moment.
And it's crazy to me that they're happening within the same month.

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Yeah.
DC has to basically like reignite their...
I mean, DC has to basically like find their spark and Marvel has to reignite it.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a good point.
I think that it's interesting because I've definitely enjoyed the Marvel films a little
bit more than most people have.

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I've even found some of the ones in the post 2020 era have been pretty enjoyable.
I really like Shang King.
I thought that was a... Shang Chi, not Shang Chi.
Shang Chi was fine.
Yeah, I thought that was a pretty fun movie.
And I don't know why the fuck I said Shang King.
But yeah, I don't know.

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I'm definitely curious to see how it'll perform.
And I think the Fantastic Four movie has a lot going for it.
It's got Pedro Pascal.
It's got a lot of really hot actors at the moment.
And I think people are really excited to see it, despite the fact that personally, I've
never really been much of a Fantastic Four guy.
I don't really see that team as being very cinematically viable.

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Just in terms of like on a surface level, like power set base, like stretchy man does
not really sound like a good fucking leader of this whole thing.
He's extremely smart.
Yeah, of course.
But I'm just saying...
Which is why I think the Pedro Pascal fucking casting is stupid, because he really doesn't
come off as a smart guy to me.
You can't place smart very well.

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You notice they didn't show him stretching in the trailer.
I think that was pretty smart.
Maybe they're trying to get the VFX dialed and they can't figure it out, because it's
never really looked good in live action.
It's interesting because you're like, I don't think this team works.
It's funny because in a way they are kind of dated, which is why I love the idea of
making it this like 1970s retro future, like 1960s retro future aesthetic for the whole

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movie.
I think that's really smart.
I think they work in a way where it's like, they kind of need all four of them to equal
out to one good superhero.
You know, they're a team for a reason.
Yeah.
I think what really happened with Marvel in post 2020 is like Feige just got too cocky.
He thought he could turn anything into gold, basically.

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And he found out pretty quickly that despite what people on the internet say, Marvel fans
are obviously not willing to watch anything.
You know, like if they do another fucking, I don't know, what was like the worst series
they did?
I didn't see it, but I heard Secret Invasion was horrendous.
Yeah, like everyone hated that.
And like the Marvel fans have been getting really pissed off lately.

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I think that I've, I don't know, there's a reason why Feige is the most successful movie
producer of all time.
Like I think he's going to turn it around.
I think he's too good not to.
So I think that we'll be seeing like at least a higher caliber of film from them in the
next couple of years.
I mean, it's make or break really.
They have to start doing it.

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I think this era they're currently in is like, they have to learn from this and realize that
they can't do anything.
They still have to put out quality because as much as like, you know, people are like,
oh, who cares about, you know, Agatha all along?
Who cares about Shang-Chi?
Who cares about, you know, any number of these characters?
If you put out good quality, you know, movies and series, people will watch them from word

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of mouth.
I mean, you know, you might get unlucky, but the problem is so many of these are just kind
of mediocre and nobody, that's kind of what got me off of it.
I have not kept up.
I used to watch every single MCU movie.
And as soon as the MCU start, or sorry, as soon as the MCU series started on Disney Plus,
I could not keep up with it because they were mostly mediocre or bad.

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And there were so many goddamn shows.
I think it's like someone made like a graph and it was like phase three of the MCU was
27 hours long total or 20 something.
And then phase four at the time, which was supposedly halfway done, according to Kevin
Feige, was like almost 50 hours because of the shows.
Yeah.
I was like, I can't do this anymore.

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So I just stopped.
I watched like a bunch of the newer things.
I didn't like any of the shows I watched.
That was part of the Bob Chapek content mandate.
Like when they were starting Disney Plus, they were trying, they were really trying
to push on Star Wars, like Feige at Star Wars and Kathleen Kennedy to just like keep pumping
out streaming content so they could boost the streaming numbers and make Disney Plus

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look successful.
I think Daredevil might be the only Marvel show that I'm actually excited about checking
out.
Yeah, I just watched it while I was catching up on all the trailers that we're going to
discuss today.
I watched the Daredevil one too.
That one's coming out in just a couple of weeks.
So it looks pretty solid.
I need to finish that out.
I never ended up finishing the Netflix Daredevil.

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So I guess Gullif, what do you think, what are your predictions on the Superman?
Oh wait, well we talked about Superman a little bit.
We talked about Fantastic Four.
How are we feeling generally on just Jurassic World rebirth?
Did you guys watch the trailer for it?
Yeah, I've never been a Jurassic World guy or Jurassic Park guy at all really.
So I don't know, I don't know too much about the Sparadise.
I don't really like the new ones very much, but I will say I get the appeal and it definitely

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has like worldwide appeal.
Like it's something that like people in China are definitely going to want to go see because
it's like really pretty.
And like it looks way better than the fucking Chris Pratt movies.
Let's be real.
The trailer looks way better than the Chris Pratt movies.
So I mean, I have high hopes for it.
I think it'll be cool.
I am certified.
I am a certified dinosaur lover.

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I have been, I was that kid, you know, every kid has a dinosaur face.
I'm still in that dinosaur face.
I wanted to be a paleontologist growing up.
If someone offered me a job as a paleontologist right now, I'd probably take it.
I think dinosaurs are so goddamn cool and they're so underrepresented in good media.
And essentially Jurassic Park, this whole franchise is the only real mainstream like

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movie series about dinosaurs.
So they kind of have the market cornered and my God, the Jurassic World movies are fucking
horrendous.
I watched the first one.
I've seen bits of the second and third and I just didn't bother.
I was so offended after seeing the first Jurassic World in high school, but I would watch like

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the it wasn't even Jurassic Park itself.
I would watch the making of Jurassic Park.
That was what really got me into like filmmaking.
Jurassic Park one is like a masterpiece.
It's so fucking good.
It's a perfect film.
It's so good.
Not only is it like the spectacle and of course the revolutionary VFX for the time, but it's
like also just a genuinely great story with great characters and an amazing theme that

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all ties in together perfectly.
And the theme itself kind of makes it to where you shouldn't make a sequel because it's like,
why would you mess around with this thing that's already happened and gone wrong?
And they're like, well, we're making another one.
Honestly, like that's human nature.
Fucking yeah, I know.
That makes sense in that context.
I've been kind of excited for this new one for like the last year.

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It flew too close to the sun.
Do you know what you're saying?
Yeah, pretty much.
The pterosaurs that flew too close to the sun.
Yeah, I've been excited for this because I like Gareth Evans or is it Gareth Edwards
or Evans?
Is it Edwards?
Edwards.
Gareth Edwards.
I not particularly in his writing style.
I think he is a great visual director and he's really good at making visual effects

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look real and tangible.
These types of movies, they're not actually writing them anyways.
This is all like they're sitting in a big room and being like, it would be cool if they
did this.
I don't know.
I think they decided plot beats.
This is the original screenwriter of the first two Jurassic parks.
And it's just him writing it as David Capp.
Yeah.
It's surprising.

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I was like, cool.
You got a good writer in there and you got a good visual director who knows how to work
with VFX.
You could have any of a really good cast.
The only thing I will say about the trailer I didn't like is my God, it does feel very
MCU quippy.
Like, is that a velociraptor?
That's a velociraptor.
It's definitely going to be a like 2025 movie, which is probably going to make me not like

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it that much.
What do you mean by that?
Just like the way the dialogue is going to feel very current.
It's just not going to feel very real.
There's not going to be much real human emotion in there.
The mutant dinosaur reminds me of skibbity toilet.
Yeah I feel like a lot of stuff nowadays, especially the really popular stuff, it's
almost like they're afraid of having characters with emotions.

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It's like everything has to be a joke or, I don't know, just very surface level, especially
like Marvel movies and things.
Yeah, I get it.
They don't want to have a genuine moment of like genuine emotion.
They have to undercut it with a joke.
Well, like if you think about the first Jurassic park.
I put Jurassic World first out of all three of these.
I think that will make them.
That's what I was saying.
So I wrote a joke, this is spoilers for my upcoming video.

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I wrote a joke and it was like, all right, who's going to be the big juggernaut for the
box office of 2025?
Will it be the Superman?
And I go into detail talking about why it's so important or will it be Fantastic Four?
And I go into detail why it's so important.
And then I go, no, it's going to be the stupid fucking dinosaur movie.
It's going to make $2 billion.
That's not true.
It's going to be the stupid fucking blue people movie.
Are you all fucking out of your minds?

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No, I'm talking about July, sir.
Okay.
That's fine.
Yeah.
Well, that's avatars got to be bro.
James Cameron has deluded himself into thinking that avatars like awards contenders movies.
So he's like, I'm going to put it in the awards, the awards section of the year at the end,
you know, like he always does that.

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I've never been a massive avatar fan either.
I don't know.
I am not.
I would never like rate them super highly, but I am that I will go see them twice when
they come out.
Like they're they're so like, like that's kind of spectacle.
I like because it just feels like really.
Yeah.
I saw a way of water twice that fucking twice, bro.
I saw it twice, but I wasn't happy about it.

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It's a dad ass movie.
My dad wanted to see it.
So I saw it the first time I was excited for it.
And then I walked out like, damn, this was so boring.
It was just the first one, but everyone was wet.
And then my dad was like, we got to go see it in 3D IMAX.
And he was visiting.
So we went and saw it again.
And my goodness, sitting through that thing.
But like, that's like such a that's like a such a flat like blast from the past, bro,

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like like going to see Spy Kids 3D in theater with the 3D glasses, be able to go see Avatar
in 3D.
That shit was fun when I was a kid, bro.
That show was so cool.
Sure.
Yeah.
I really when I first saw or when I rewatched Avatar, the first one, like in 2021, I was
really drunk.
I remember I shed his tear during the 9 11 scene in Avatar 1.

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Honestly, the first Avatar is pretty solid.
I really mean, that's our that's what it was like.
It was like a 9 11 type of deal.
Remember they they they blew up the tree of life.
Do you remember the when the tree's falling?
Yeah, it's really sad.
All right.
What do we think?

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We want to get into our numbers.
I'm going to start.
What do we think?
Do we all are we all in agreement of what we think the number one earner is going to
be?
Yeah, it's dressing.
It's Jurassic World.
I put dress.
All right.
So Jurassic World, one point two billion box office.
That's what I said.
Total and then 140 opening weekend domestic.

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So I had the exact same worldwide, but I had a 200 million opening.
I have a higher because Jurassic Jurassic World one had a worldwide opening of 500 million
dollars.
Oh my God.
That's insane.
We're doing domestic, though.
We're doing domestic.
We're doing domestic.
We're doing domestic, but that's insane.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's crazy.

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Yeah, I have a 100 million opening weekend and a one point two billion worldwide because
no matter what, that's crazy.
No matter how bad the movie is and how bad word of mouth is, people just love seeing
dinosaurs.
So it's something people think they're kids to see too.
Even if it's a little scary.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they have they have serious actors in it this time.

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We got Scarlett Johansson and Marshall Ali.
That'll do something, I think.
Although I don't know.
I feel like it won't make as much as the Chris Pratt ones.
I don't think so either.
Yeah, I don't know.
It might.
I can't put my finger on exactly why, but I just I feel like they're changing it up.
It's going to feel like a reboot of a reboot.

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And I feel like people might be like, I can miss this one.
Some people might say that.
It's going to feel like a return to form in a way because the original Jurassic or three
Jurassic Park movies are all just about we got to go back to another dinosaur island
and survive on the island.
And I don't know.
I love those ones.
Yeah.
Wasn't there an Adam Driver dinosaur movie that just came out?

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Yeah, that was called Sixty Five.
Sixty.
It was sci fi.
Did you like it?
It was so horrible.
It was so uninteresting.
It really felt like Adam Driver wanted to get by have enough money to buy like a vacation
home.
So he did that movie.
Yeah, it was a bad.
It's getting 65 because it's 65 million years ago.

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Dinosaurs felt like an after earth situation with like it was.
Yeah, that's a good.
That's a pretty apt comparison.
How many dinosaurs were in it?
Like quite a few.
And they all look for horrible.
They all look for there's like four or five.
Oh, my God.
Not like you guys like four different types of dinosaurs.
They all looked ugly and they looked like they looked like video game bosses.

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Because I only really judge this movie on how many dinosaurs there are.
There's a pretty good amount of dinosaur.
When it comes to dinosaur movies, I'm quantity over quality.
I just want to see a lot of dinosaurs and then I can go home feeling satisfied.
So what's the what's the best kind of so Jurassic Park one for you is terrible because there's
like three dinosaurs.
Yeah, there wasn't.
I didn't even finish more than three dinosaur.

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But there are quite a few.
There's like four.
I mean, I think it's kind of embarrassing, but I went to a universal theme park when I
was when I was like 17 and I've always had I've had a fear of like water dinosaurs, you
know, like the ones the ones that are like the please use our neck boys.
Yeah, like the ones that like what people think the Loch Ness Monster is.

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Yeah, I've had a fear of them forever.
So when I went on the Jurassic Park ride, I was totally fucking scared during that.
The mosasaurus.
Yeah, I didn't know.
But yes.
So then after that, I have Fantastic Four making a billion in total and then just over a hundred

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million like 110 opening domestic.
That's my number two.
Do you have you probably have number two is Superman.
No, I have number Superman's number three for me.
I'm still most excited for that one.
But I have fantastic four is also number two.
I have it number two as 130 million opening weekend and 850 million worldwide.

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I have 150 opening and then I have 850 million worldwide.
Wow.
We're right.
Oh my God.
This is interesting to me, though, like that we all have Superman number three, because
I feel like if you asked, like if you just polled 100 people, like name a superhero,
I feel like the first person the first superhero, I feel like most people don't pay attention

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to like trends of box office, though, like it's not something that people pay that much
attention to.
No, I'm saying just like on name recognition alone and iconic status, like, I don't know,
you have James Gunn, who is a name director at this point.
Absolutely.
Even general audiences, I think know about beyond just like film people.
And you got Superman, who I think is like one of the most iconic characters in all of

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America.
It seems like the reception to that trailer, though, has been pretty lukewarm.
It's a lot of people.
I wouldn't say so.
I'd say everybody I've talked to has said it's like, damn, that was a good ass trailer.
Like you like everything I've seen.
People I've talked to, like you and all that have said they liked it.
But a lot of people have been reading online have just been shitting on it.

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And it doesn't.
It kind of looks cheap to me in a weird way.
Like the color grading, it looks a little bit over saturated to me.
Do you guys get that?
I think that's intentional.
I'd rather have over saturated.
I think they're trying to like really like go away from the James Gunn or the fucking
Snyder versus shit like they're trying to make his story nice and bright and like family

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friendly.
I'm just it was giving me like Jostes League vibes almost like 27 jobs.
We will see.
I don't know.
I think it I think some of the color grading looks a little orangey.
I read somewhere that James Gunn was basing it off of like 1970s color grading like so
like the old Donner Superman films.
But I don't know.
I think really bothered me too much.

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I think what we end up getting will look nice, but we'll see.
I mean, I'm definitely a big fan of Rachel Brosnan as Lois Lane.
Yeah, that's Amy Adams is an excellent actor, too.
So I feel like she was just given squat to work with.
Yeah, yeah.
She had no like the the casting of the of the Snyder verse was pretty fucking great

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though.
Yeah, when it comes down to it.
I think so.
I think so.
Did you guys like Henry Cavill Superman?
Like taking the movie quality out?
Just like think of him as in that role.
I think he could have been a great Superman if he had a different writer.
It's really hard for me to say just because like I don't I don't feel like I ever got
a like there was not even really any moments in those movies.

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Like he didn't have any shining moments for me.
Like usually whenever like like a fucking what's his fucking name?
Ben Affleck like Ben Affleck as much as I don't really like him as Batman.
He had some like moments where he like really felt like Batman.
And I was like and I was like okay maybe if with if he had the right script he could have
been really good.
But I didn't really get any of those with Henry Cavill.
No Henry Cavill.
I think he needs a really good director and a really good script to go off of because

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like look at he was great and the only thing I've seen him in where I'm like he's genuinely
good was Mission Impossible Fallout.
And I think that was a combo of good writing and a good director working with him because
Zack Snyder should no offense to Zack Snyder but I don't think he should write his own
projects.
Wait is that the is that the famous contractually obligated mustache movie?

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The Mission Impossible one?
Yes that is.
That is which everyone was about.
It caused the mustachy upper lip.
Yeah.
Oh my god.
Do you guys remember that?
Like and they had to bring attention to it.
That was the first shot of Jostus League was him with his fucking giant blueberry upper
lip.
It didn't help that it was like it didn't help that it was like mobile phone footage

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too.
So it just like also looked weird in general.
I saw someone there like it would have been better if they just put a Snapchat filter
on his face for the opening scene.
He's got like a mustache and a monocle on.
I mean I'm the odd man now.
I think the Snyder cut was actually pretty good.
I think I know you guys hate it but.
I don't hate the Snyder cut.

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I don't think it's great or good even but I will admit that after watching the first
Jostus League and going back to that I'm like god damn this is fucking church bro.
Yeah that first Jostus League is an absolute stain.
I think it's more watchable.
It's like it's a case of the stakes being so much lower.

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It's like a weird experiment in a movie history.
Like a failed franchise that the director just because of this weird set of external
circumstances like the pandemic and the giant like weird ass Snyder cut movement.
He got to actually get a bunch of money from the studio and finish his vision which was

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like at the time it was like it was just you didn't have to feel invested in it because
he knew it wasn't going anywhere.
But it was like oh this is actually like kind of a cool thing that we got.
I think they just know that if they didn't do it and it didn't work out they like the
DCU is fucked.
Like I think they were just like well this is not working.
I don't even know.

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You think the Snyder cut helped the future prospects of like James Gunn.
No I think their hope would be that they wouldn't have to reboot it if it worked out well.
Well I mean the response of the Snyder cut was really good.
Yeah it was pretty positive.
Even I at the time was like you know what cool let him finish this thing.
I think General Consensus was like go for it.

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But like I don't know now I'm looking at it and I'm like no I don't think it's good.
I don't think there's anything interesting there with the characters.
I fucking hate Superman.
Batman is a fundamentally broken version of the character.
The Flash is a Hawaiian criminal.
Ezra Miller is good as the Flash bro.
I'm gonna forever be backing my boy Ezra or my whatever.

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My person Ezra dude.
Jesus.
Yeah so I mean it seems like we basically have the same within like a couple.
Yeah what are our numbers for Superman?
I'm at a hundred forty million opening.
A hundred forty million opening.
Seven fifty million worldwide.
Do you Nick?
Are we the same?
I have the same worldwide at least.

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That's crazy.
I think it'll make nine hundred million.
Okay I'm hoping I am wrong.
I'm hoping it does super well.
I'm just guessing it's going to do close to Man of Steel numbers.
I think I feel like it'll do better than that.
You think so?
Just because I think they're gonna they're gonna put a lot of money into promoting this
movie.

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I really do think that James Gunn's name holds a lot of weight with with comic book film
fans.
I think it'll bring Marvel fans over that want to see what it's gonna do next.
I was kind of looking at it in comparison of Guardians and Man of Steel sort of and like
I think until people kind of see where this new DC is going I don't think they're gonna

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give it as much like benefit of the doubt even if it's James Gunn.
I think it'll take time to build yeah.
Yeah but it's not like they have nothing to work off of.
Like the last we have some some stuff that James Gunn's already made in the DCU you know.
But you have to keep in mind like a lot of people who go see these kind of superhero
movies are like are not following all this backstory shit.
They're not like oh well the reboot this one's gonna be a complete reboot blah blah blah

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they're not like paying attention to all they know is they're doing another superman they're
like they're like the last movie I saw was that uh aqua guy movie and that shit fucking
sucked I don't know if I want to go see another one.
I think there's more people out there than you think like I think to actually be like
invested in this shit at this point especially considering all the multiverse fucking weird
shit like you do kind of have to be invested in what like what the parameters of the fictional

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universe are.
I get that but I think for a movie to make over a billion dollars there needs to be a
lot of people who aren't invested going to see it.
Yeah yeah I don't think it'll make a billion I think it'll I just think it'll do a little
bit better than you guys are saying.
You know I think I think I'm hoping I get we get in the nostalgic people who all they

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need to do is hear and they go that's Superman because no like Man of Steel I mean even in
the title itself Man of Steel and then you see the Superman logo but it's just Superman
it's got the Superman theme it's got color it's got Superman and he's like very similar

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in tone to the Christopher Reeve version I think you might get that old general audience
crowd that's like I love Superman I want to see a Superman movie and this looks like something
I would have watched when I was a kid.
Yeah I can totally see that too.
I'm excited it's of the three I'm probably the most excited for it for sure.
Absolutely.
I just don't think it's gonna perform that well I think people are gonna look back on

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it fondly if it works well.
I think in terms of comic consumption you guys are more interested in DC right?
I feel like I've heard both of you say that.
I own DC Comics I don't own any Marvel Comics.
Why is that?
I'm curious.
Just the characters are better?
I also think from generally from what I've heard is from a lot of people that read comics

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is Marvel's just not as good but the comics in the last 10-15 years like they're more
focused on the MCU and not really pushing the comics artists as much and also the comic
artists kind of hate the MCU because they don't get any credit for anything or any cuts
of creating characters that they use.

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I also-
Like DC like Superman comes out James Gunn goes this one's inspired tonally by all-star
Superman Superman for all seasons you can buy them right here and here go buy them and
then all of their comic stock went up and all the authors and creators of these books
like super the new Supergirl movie they're coming out that is an almost direct adaptation
of Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow which I have on my shelf.

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Yeah.
I also read a lot more grounded comics like I read a lot of graphic novels as opposed
to like comic comics and I think a lot of the DC characters are more like kind of believable
characters realistic most of the time.
I've also read the exact opposite though because I mean if you think about it like the touchstones
of the Marvel Comics universe not just on film but like I mean their biggest character

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is Spider-Man and Spider-Man is like the epitome of the everyman superhero whereas like DC's
Justice League is populated by like all these godlike heroes.
I saw them make problems and things like that you know.
Well the three characters-
The power scaling is a huge difference too you know I'm talking about.
Well that's why I didn't ever really read much Superman and stuff like that I read characters
like Hitman I read like Batman like I read all like the Batman comics like I've read

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so many of them but like Marvel Comics I think the best ones were like Super-Ber-Fucking
Spider-Man Daredevil and probably Punisher Max.
Which are all regular people except for Spider-Man.
Those are all pretty grounded characters.
Yeah I saw someone I've heard people describe they're like DC is about gods trying to be
human like Superman and then Marvel is about humans being gifted godlike powers.

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And I think that makes sense.
But I don't know it's just like even in the way that I mean I think James Gunn is going
to take a different interpretation of the Justice League once he gets to that in a couple
years or whatever but like if you take Snyder's interpretation of it like that people clowned
him for like wanting to have all these like godlike these godlike parallels to Superman

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and everything but isn't that that's kind of baked into the concept of what Superman
and a lot of the DC characters are.
I mean they kind of are-
I think it's just the way it was portrayed more so than the actual concept itself.
I think the most uninteresting thing you can do is compare Superman to Jesus Christ.
I think if you're going to compare him to any religious figure go off of Moses because

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that's essentially what he was inspired by.
The biblical story of Moses yeah.
The two creators I forgot their names I think they said this somewhere that he was inspired
by the story of Moses.
And yeah I don't know I'm hoping Superman does well.
I really hope it does.
I don't want this to flounder.
What was your opening weekend prediction?

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For Superman?
Yeah.
110 million opening weekend and then 750 million worldwide.
Yeah I did 110 too.
Nice.
Yeah me and Vyajesnik got the same worldwide numbers on all three.
But I mean I don't know like I'm just concerned a little bit that Fantastic Four is just unadaptable.

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Like I just I don't think it really works on film for a number of reasons.
I don't think that's the case man.
I think the movies are just bad.
The ones we've had.
They've tried three separate times in the past what 20-30 years to do this and it's
failed pretty spectacular every time.
Yeah but the last one was literally just like first of all they're all they were all way

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too young.
It was just like a weird like teen drama and a shitty one at that.
Are you talking about Phantaforstic?
Yeah.
I don't know man.
I think they're just going about it all wrong.
That's really all there is to it.
The main thing that Fantastic Four fans say that was wrong about like the first two like

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the Tim Story ones with Chris Evans is that the Fantastic Four didn't feel like a family
or something.
Which if you notice like that's a huge part of the marketing around this one.
Like we're a family.
Welcome to the family.
Because you know they know the fans want to hear that.
But it's like I don't know they did kind of feel like a family to me.
Have you guys watched those movies at all?
Like the older?
I don't mind them.

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I saw them when I was younger.
I will say they nailed the fucking thing.
The guy playing the thing is like from what I've seen in the trailer.
He was so good.
Like I'm I'm he's he's solely is the reason I'm excited to go see the movie.
Have you guys seen the bear?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's he's Richie from the bear.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's a really big part of girls too.
Oh really?

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Okay.
Yeah.
He's also an android as well.
Yeah.
Well, you guys want to get into a Chungking Express?
Yeah.
I'm down.
Sure.
So I guess I'll give a little bit of backstory to the movie because it's kind of like what
made me initially go check it out.
So basically like the director was was directing a film called Ashes.
The film was called Ashes of Time or something.

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Ashes of Time and it was in post-production.
He was waiting for post-production to finish on that film.
So he brought in a few of the actors from that film and he was like let's make some
small movie with no money.
And then he brought in his director of photography.
The director of photography forgot his name.
What's his name?
It was like a white guy, Christopher Doyle.

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And he brought him on and everybody basically just worked for no money and they just worked
shot without their without permits on anything and they spent almost no money making this
movie and they basically just instead of making an original score, they just got like California
Dreamin' and Dreams by the Cranberries and just played them on repeat.
So basically they took like they took like every measure they possibly could to like

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cut costs and spend no money on the movie.
So like if you Google it, they'll say it cost zero dollars to make this movie, which isn't
true.
But it was incredibly cheap because nobody was taking any money for it.
That's cool.
What city is this supposed to be taking place in?
Hong Kong, right?
Yeah, it's in Hong Kong.
Okay.
I don't know enough about I don't really know much about China at all really at any point

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in history.
Some things but I definitely don't know about enough about it in the 90s.
I feel like they must have been trying to say something with how the character though
the one woman was like wearing a wig.
There was like two characters wearing wigs and then the girl worked at the restaurant
in the second story was listening to all these American songs like there must have been some
kind of comment you're trying to make about that.

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Hong Kong isn't like China.
It's like a separate province.
It's very very Americanized as a country.
So it's almost westernized.
It's almost separate from all of China in a way.
Okay.
Because it was they were part of the UK, right?
Yeah, I think so.
And that just recently switched back or it's about to.

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I really I really enjoyed this movie though for the most part I enjoyed the second half
because it's it's two loosely connected stories.
The second half was much more engaging to me.
Although I didn't I didn't mind the first I didn't like dislike it really but it really
second one grabbed me much more.
It really felt like like whenever I was watching it, it felt like he started writing and the

(35:04):
first story like inspired him to write the second story because the second story almost
tells the same story just like in a much better way and it kind of is more impactful.
Yeah, it's it's like cop or man of the law falls in love with someone in a very different
way.
Yeah, you can tell because the second story is longer too.
It's like an hour 10 minutes.
The other one's like 30 minutes long.

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It feels like a short film opening to a long short film.
Yeah.
And then his next movie Falling Angels was like supposed to be a part of this kind of
anthology right?
Like initially he wrote that he wrote that to be the third short story in within within
Chungking Express but it just never he didn't end up finishing it or something or wanted

(35:48):
to flesh that out more.
But um, yeah, apparently he wanted to add a third story onto it.
But yeah, generally I thought this movie is cool.
It was like a really cool depiction of how how fickle love can be, you know, like the
little tiny things in your life like mismatching with someone that you might have a really
strong connection with.
But you know, it just doesn't work out for one for one reason or another.

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Like I actually I really enjoyed that.
There's not that many movies about that.
Like most romance movies are very or most ones that I've seen are like very Hollywood
and people they'll they'll like persevere through all these kind of circumstances that
in real life might make a relationship not work.
But they you know, they persevere because it's a movie.
But in this movie, it's like you don't really know whether they end up together.

(36:35):
There's a lot of reasons why they might or they might not.
But um, yeah, I mean, I appreciate that about this.
In the second story, basically, there's this girl who like finds out this guy has his girlfriend
broke up with him and she starts sneaking into his house and she's basically just slowly
removing all of the traces of his ex from his house, cleaning it up, like making his

(36:56):
how his place nicer while he's gone and just fucking around being kind of goofy.
Also deleting her voicemail.
Yep.
Just basically like all these little traces that make him basically think about her nonstop.
I don't know if you all have been through I know you've probably been in a relationship
for you're pretty young.
I don't know if you've been through like a like a breakup that just kind of really sucked.

(37:17):
But like, it can like almost like going through like a really shitty breakup can almost feel
like you're like you're haunted.
And like there's little things that kind of give you like, like the chills or like bring
you back to that moment right in real life.
I think this movie like depicted that in like a way I haven't seen before.
And like I think it is one of those things where like, maybe you spent all of your time

(37:38):
doing this one thing with this one person.
So going to do that one thing like just triggers you those feelings again.
And I think that cop was going through the same thing, right.
I think that's just really cool.
I don't know how she's just kind of picking apart every little thing that makes him think
about her and stops him from moving on.
And also it she takes it as like she kind of becomes more acquainted and learns more

(38:00):
about him as she picks through all of his stuff.
I just like a little detail.
It's also like a social relationship.
I also like how oblivious he is to like her liking him too.
Why did she get so excited when she found the hair?
Remember that part?
She was like searching in his bed for hers for.
Well, I think she thought it was the other girls that kept flirting with them.

(38:23):
Yeah, like worried it was hers.
Oh, the one at the restaurant.
Yeah.
So she was just why did that make her like so she was like, I think it was like she found
the final piece she was trying to get rid of.
I was like, oh, oh, you're probably right.
Oh, OK.
And also I feel like I missed how how did she flood his apartment with something with

(38:45):
the fish?
That's what I was thinking.
I have no idea.
Did she overfill confusing?
I think no, I think it was just like the the shower flooded it right.
But she had the fish.
She had the fish in a bag.
Yeah, she gave back to him.
I don't know.
It didn't really show it.
Yeah, I think she left.
I think she left the shower on.
I'm pretty sure.
Yeah.

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She was like watering the plants in the bathroom.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
She was she was just doing anything to avoid being at work and just to stalking this dude
and his apartment.
Honestly, the the the passion she has for avoiding work is like admirable.
One one question I have if this story was changed and it was like the like the sexes

(39:26):
were changed, I was just thinking that what do we think?
What do we think?
This movie's OK.
I'm just walking around like picking hairs off of off of this girl's bed like there you
are.
I mean, it's a little predatory.
I think it would maybe still be kind of endearing if they like if he was.
I don't know.
I don't know.

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It's hard to say.
Because it's just like I mean, I don't know.
I think as a guy, like you have to be aware of like how imposing you can be just from
like a standpoint of physicality, you know, like you just being in someone else's space.
I mean, you know, in in the real world, if a girl was doing that to me, too, I would
also call the cops.

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Oh, yeah.
It's horrifying.
Yeah, really.
It's really scary.
You're trying to steal stuff.
No matter how cute of a short ordered cook she was, I would not fucking care.
You know, I would be like, you can't be doing this.
I'm calling the police or actually I am the police.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I also like I mean, as much as we're downplaying the first story, I think it's really interesting

(40:28):
with like the peach thing, too, because I think I think we all do that kind of thing
to or not everybody maybe.
But like I do things where like, you know, not like you serve the pineapple.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Call me by your name.
I was about to say I have it all stuck in my head.
We all but the peach every now and then.
Right.
But like, I don't know.
I feel like everybody kind of in their mind puts a deadline on things.

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And I think it's just like a cool visualization of that.
Like there's a lot of cool elements to it.
It went from cans of cans of pineapples to cans of sardines.
Right.
Yeah.
In the second story.
Yeah.
Yep.
And I replaced all the labels.
I do.
I will say I do think we shouldn't entirely skip over the first section of the film, even

(41:13):
if it was not as interesting.
I still think we should discuss it because I do have some questions.
What crime was she committing at the beginning?
She was Indian guys.
She was smuggling drugs.
Yeah.
Like on Tuesday?
That's why she was sending them over because she had the numbers.
She was like filling the bags with coke and shit.
Yeah.
They were like hiding it in shoes and stuff.
When he took her shoes off, I was like, oh, he made I wasn't sure if she like hid drugs

(41:36):
somewhere in her high heels.
I was like, oh, maybe he's going to find drugs.
And then I quickly I was like, this isn't that kind of movie.
Yeah.
That would that would be if this movie was made in America, that's probably what it would
be.
What did y'all think about the way it was shot?
Like the like weird like the like slow frame under cranked.
Yeah.
Shots and stuff.
I thought it was cool.

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Yeah.
I really appreciate the cinematography.
I thought I thought it was really cool.
And especially learning it.
You said it was shot on basically no budget, right?
Yeah.
And I really loved it.
The performances were great, too.
Yeah.
Well, they're all like really good actors.
They were just like not taking a payment for it because they were basically in between
projects too.
Oh, and they wanted to work with them.
I think there was there was another thing.

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It was like I think Tarantino saw it like really early on and he liked it so much that
he like got Miramax to actually fund the distribution of it.
So yeah, the it's interesting.
I really like that shot that they get because you get all that slow frame rate where everyone's
like smear framing across.
And then I really like I don't I don't know the characters names, but the guy in the second

(42:40):
part of the movie where he's like the second one was cop 663.
That's right.
That's right where he's like leaning onto the jukebox and like slowly going to like fiddle
with the jukebox while everyone around him is blurring.
I just thought that I was like this could be like I don't even know how they I don't
even know how they did that on those.
I mean, they just had the frame rate or had the frame rate really slow and he was just

(43:03):
moving very slow and not moving while he was pushing the button and everyone was just walking
past him.
It's like a time lapse.
Yeah, I was also wondering how they did that.
It's really cool.
Yeah.
I mean, the the first I mean, did you guys like the first story at all?
Because now I'm thinking about it, I don't really have even anything to say about it.

(43:25):
It didn't it didn't really do much for me.
I like I liked it.
But I think the reason I like this movie so much is I can very much like relate to the
second story a lot.
I think the first story is just a less of a relatable story for me.
Yeah, felt like the first story ended right when it was starting.
Like I was like, oh, we're in the you know, it's going to keep going, it's going to escalate.

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And then it just kind of stops.
There wasn't really much emotional payoff on it.
It was kind of just like him trying to like I don't even know.
Like I don't know how to describe like I don't even know what he was trying to get across.
It's like him trying to like I don't have to think about it.
I think it was just like lovesick could not find a date and then finds this weird mysterious

(44:13):
woman who wears a wig and red glasses and is like super cold and distant.
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah.
And sometimes you just have to replace your heartache with cans of pineapples and things.
And then you puke them out because they're all expired.
Dude, he puked in a urinal.
That's all I think that's like just a I don't know.
Is that how their bathrooms work?

(44:35):
It looks like a like a urinal or like a piss trough.
You know, like usually like those like Irish pubs where they don't have urinals.
It's just like a giant tub that everyone pisses in.
There's like not even any courtesy like partition.
Just a big hole.
You guys gather around the pee hole.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, I'm pretty positive on this movie, though, despite the fact that the first the

(44:59):
first 20 minutes I was like not really very engaged with them.
As soon as we got introduced to the second batch of characters, I was I was much more
interested and engaged.
And I thought the end was really cool, too.
Like how when she get when he gets the letter from her and then he he like immediately just
as like, oh, fuck, just throws it in the trash.

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And there's a quick cut to him, I assume, just coming back later because it was raining
out and he's like, I kind of want to see what that's like, you know, like I'm not going
to make the same mistake twice.
Yeah.
Oh, shit, I should go grab that.
Yeah, it shows his growth, too.
Like that's the whole thing.
I think the first story just lacked any kind of like, first of all, emotional impact and
also like character growth, really.
Yeah, there's no arc.

(45:42):
Yeah.
The guy was like trying to like, I guess he's I don't know.
I just don't there's nothing to pull from it.
Yeah.
When's the first time you saw this movie, Nick?
Like August of this year.
Oh, OK.
So it's a recent one.
This is my third time watching it August of this year or last year?

(46:04):
This year.
This year of 2025?
I know last year.
Oh, shit.
Forgot the new year.
Yeah.
OK.
Yeah, I was like, because that's why you recommended this.
It was really interesting.
OK.
I didn't know if you like were into foreign films very much.
But yeah, this was a cool watch.
Mostly I.

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I just yeah, I didn't really.
I think honestly, either because the first one was kind of weak for me, the first half,
I just keep wanting to say the first short film because it feels like it would have been
better if for the benefit of the first portion, it would have been better if there were three
short films in this entire movie.

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Because as it sits now, the second one just like overshadows the first one.
Yeah.
So much.
And it feels if the if the concept was to to show how like vaguely interconnected some
of these things are like they made a point to say like, oh, I got like point one centimeters

(47:07):
between her and then they like stop the frame.
And then right before the you know, there's like the protagonist, which is like, oh, that's
the closest I ever got to her before she fell into and fell in love with another man like
that to me.
So I kind of conceptually have baked a little bit if that's the only narrative device that
really, really makes these characters or these stories interconnected at all.

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You know, it's kind of a weak device.
There's also the moment where you see the main girl from the second part leaving a store
with a stuffed animal.
And the girl with the wig and the red glasses, I think, is standing in front of the store.
And that's like the only other time you see them interact in the same frame.
I don't know.

(47:51):
I mean, I it doesn't hold it back too much for me just because of how much I got from
the second second half.
And I think it's just like on a visual standpoint and like just the acting like everything is
good in the first movie or the first part.
It's like I don't I don't have anything negative to say about it.
I just don't feel like it resonated with me that much.
Yeah.
Also.
So there there was two separate different women that were wearing wigs like the one

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guy that was dating the girl who they were speaking English, remember?
And then he walked the white guy that gets killed.
That was a different girl in a blonde wig, right?
Yep.
Yeah.
I thought she had taken one of the other girls wigs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She was still inside like by the jukebox when he goes outside and gets shot.

(48:36):
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And why?
I think she had taken it because he was one of the people that confusingly.
Yeah, that was it ended.
And I was like, OK, I don't really know what happened.
I think it was they had all ripped her off as like the crime they were going to commit.
So they all got paid and then ditched her.
And then I think they all hid or like either hid at that guy's and that that guy's bar

(49:01):
or something or as maybe at least helped by them.
And then they knew and maybe got a cut or something because then afterwards they like
when she leaves the first time I've talked to them and they're like, we don't know where
they went.
You see her like wink back and not wink, but like, you know, gesture to the guy behind
the curtain.
And then later they're playing with one of her wigs.

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It feels to me like very mocking, like, haha, we got some money out of this.
I don't know.
I just feel like I feel like I feel like the plot of this movie is definitely secondary
to just making you try to like trying to make you feel something for sure.
Yeah.
Which is another thing I like about it.
It's like very emotion forward.
Like well, I want to say this.
The second one, the second half strikes a nice balance between like feeling like a slice

(49:43):
of life piece and also just feeling like a plot and characters that you can get invested
in.
You know, the first one was was very slice of life to the point where I wasn't really
engaging with it very much at all.
But the second part definitely had me a little bit more because it didn't feel like overly

(50:04):
narrative or plotty or anything like that.
But it definitely, you know, there was like there was cute story beats and stuff, like
cute romance things where she's sneaking into his house.
And then when she gets caught with the fish and like all that stuff, it's all great, you
know, cute romance stuff where she breaks an entry in the typical love.
On paper, it doesn't make sense, but somehow it works.

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It's funny because on paper looking at if I described the two plots to somebody, they
would almost always say, well, I bet the first one's more interesting because it's like a
cop falls in love with like an underworld boss.
Yeah.
Who runs a drug ring.
And then in the second one, it's some cop falls in love with a girl at the sandwich
shop.
Yeah, I feel like he almost showed a little bit too much restraint on that.

(50:50):
Like why even have these two characters that are like diametrically opposed societally
and not have them interact in that way at all?
He doesn't ever find out that she's a drug runner.
She doesn't even know that he's a cop.
It's like, why even have them meet if you're not going to play with that at all?
You know, I think the whole, I think the whole point is basically him seeing that like relationships

(51:12):
are fleeting for the most part.
And like, you never know what's going to really happen because he's like, I think the whole
thing is like, he's like trying to like find meaning constantly.
Like he's like constantly reaching out to people, trying to find somebody to like spend
his life with, talk about how he's like been on the earth for a quarter of a century.
I think he just felt like time is ticking.

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So I think, I think that's why he keeps calling people up and like, hey, hey, I haven't talked
to you in forever.
Oh, that was five years ago and I'm married now.
Oh shit.
Yeah, I think him not, I think him not finding out was the point, right?
Like he didn't know anything about her and he's just like, oh, okay, here's another one

(51:56):
just gone.
Well, but then he also was like, I'm just always going to remember her because she said
happy birthday to me.
So there was some impact she left on his life.
Well, the only reason he's going to remember her is because he didn't get the full picture,
you know, like that's, that's how life goes sometimes.
She's a mysterious woman.
I met at the bar.
Yeah, exactly.
Like you have that perfect image because you never got to see the bad parts.

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So I know this wasn't a Japanese film, but did that first guy have otaku vibes or whatever?
I think he was a sweetie pie.
He seemed nice.
Yeah, I just wish the first one was like had more, you know, it feels like as it was getting
started, it kind of just wrapped up and moved on to the more interesting story.
But I just wanted, I wanted something.

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I wanted a little more confrontation, a little more of an arc, a little more of something
with the characters.
I don't really feel that way.
It feels very intentional.
It feels like that was exactly what he was going for because I mean, it makes sense in
context of the story for it to just end with no kind of like resolution or understanding
really, because that's basically what the guy's feeling.
Right.

(52:58):
The way we feel at the end of it is how the main character feels.
Yeah, that's true.
That's fair.
It just it didn't entirely click with me.
And I think I think I'm split down the middle by being wanting it to be one or the other
in types of mill and types of.
I can understand both sides.
This is like a nice little preface for the real movie, you know?

(53:20):
Yeah, a little.
Yeah, it's like a little a little opener, a little short film.
It's like the little Pixar short films you see before you go watch Inside Out 4.
They still have those?
I don't know.
Is this like one of your favorite romance movies ever?
Probably.
Good question.
Yeah, like this or Blue Valentine up there.

(53:43):
Or Blue Ruin.
Blue Ruin.
Not Blue Ruin.
But I love Blue Ruin.
What's the best blue movie?
Perfect Blue?
Blue Ruin for sure.
Blue Velvet.
Blue Water.
The Blue Man Group.
There's a lot.
There are a lot of movies that have movies.
There's a bunch of movies that are just called Blue.

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2002, Blue, 1993, Blue 2018, Blue 2015, Blue 2009, Blue 2021.
They keep going.
Yeah.
Blue Ruin is one of my favorite movies ever.
So I just looked it up on letterbox.
Jeremy saw me on here, bro.
I bet we could get him on.
We'll get him and Chris Stuckman on the same episode.

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Do a full ad.
No, I don't want to spoil the episode, bro.
I know.
We don't want to have that guy ruining Chris's time.
Yeah.
Nick, are you still planning to make the romance video that you were telling us about a while
ago?
Oh, yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
What was the concept for that again?
Yeah, give us the breakdown.

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It's basically just I wanted to make a video that kind of talked about how romance isn't
necessary.
What do you all think?
Do you all think romance is for a specific gender or does it have to be?
Let me preface this by saying I know we are three or sorry, two white guys and an Italian
man talking about women and romancing them.

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So this can turn real bad real quick, but we're going to tread carefully.
Yeah.
I think the issue with romance made for men versus romance made for women, I think men
kind of look at love differently.
And I think we look at it more in terms of how having a woman basically makes our life

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more complete and basically how that makes us feel as opposed to at least how it's portrayed
in media for women.
It's like the big romantic gestures.
They want that high, right?
Those like big feelings that the movie gives you, right?
When somebody does stands outside with a boombox and starts seeing your name or runs to the

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airport and stops you from leaving town, right?
They care about that.
More as like a man's like, I just want to feel like my life has meaning.
I think it's just dependent on the person.
I don't know if it's entirely gendered, honestly.
I think it's honest if a woman or my wife came outside my window with a boombox, not

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now, but like, I mean, that'd be great now.
That'd be cool.
But like if, for example, in those scenarios, it's the same thing.
It's like to make you feel appreciated or whatever, or to make you feel like they care
deeply about you versus a missing part of you, that final puzzle piece that you've been
waiting for.
I think it's not exactly gendered at all.

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I think it's just universal, but it is in different shades, if that makes sense.
You know?
Let's think, well, I'm thinking about it more in terms of what they expect from a film,
right?
Like I think one is more relatable for the other in terms of what they're seeing on screen,
wouldn't you think?
Well, I think Nick's definitely right in that there definitely is a whole genre of romance

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movies that are specifically marketed for and towards women.
You know, whether it's definitely not exclusively women that watch them.
I think just like when the studio or whoever is making them is crafting the marketing and
you know, the story itself, I think they're thinking of women as like the target demographic

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for a lot of these movies, like, I don't know, The Notebook and The Time Traveler's Wife
or The Lake House or The Holiday, you know, shit like that.
But then I think there are also movies that maybe like I think Her would be a good example
of like maybe a more male centric romance movie, perhaps.

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I don't know.
Maybe one of my examples in the script I was writing.
Maybe because the main character is the only two main characters are a male human and a
female computer.
So maybe that makes it more interesting for a guy to watch.
I don't know.
But I know it's not even just that.

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It's basically just how aimless and like, and like in despair the main character was
before he found her.
Right.
Yeah.
Her base, she basically like led him to like feeling normal.
Right.
And I think that's like a feeling men can relate to more than like, because like if
you look at like a lot of romance movies that are made for women, it's like the women are

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fine before they find the man.
They're chilling.
Right.
They just, it just makes their life better when they find the man.
Right.
Yeah.
They're chilling with their girls.
They're having fun.
Whatever.
Whereas like in these romance stories for men, it's like the men are like struggling.
Like the 40 year old virgin.
Yeah.
It's like in his own world, he's doing okay.

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But from for everyone else, he's like a weird 40 year old guy who's never had sex and collects
a bunch of action figures.
In a lot of, it's interesting in a lot of like male centric or like male centered or
centered around men stories about romance in specifically movies.
Just look at how we're like the creation of the manic pixie dream girl, which is designed

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to be this magical woman that appears and changes a man's life and helps him learn a
lesson and then leaves his life and just gives him basically is there to make him appreciate
something or learn to grow and then fucks off.
It's designed to be like this wish fulfillment of like, I want to meet a mysterious woman
who makes me feel good.

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And then I learn like 500 days of summer or perks of being a wallflower, stuff like that.
Yeah.
But I mean, in 500 days of summer, like the manic pixie dream girl, she's the one who
does get fulfillment.
I mean, he learned something by virtue of that girl being in his life, I guess.

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But like he didn't get the girl, you know, like she didn't actually end up loving him.
I mean, I think she fulfills that archetype, but I never really understood why people like
lump that movie in particular in with like the negative stereotype of a manic pixie dream
girl.
I think that movie was handled really well.
I wouldn't say negatively.
I just, maybe that's just because it's Zooey Deschanel and she's like the archetypical

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manic pixie dream girl.
Honestly, with Zooey Deschanel, I think her early in her career, she had a lot of decent
performances.
Yeah, like the happening.
No, not like that.
What was it?
Um, it wasn't rock star.
It was a almost famous, right?
And she was pretty good in that.
Oh yeah.
She's like the big six sister and almost famous.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
She's good in that.
Well, yeah, that's basically what my video is about.

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Just trying to understand, like, first of all, talking about movies that like both women
and men could find enjoyment out of, especially because it was leading into Valentine's Day.
And then just kind of talking about what the differences in what men and women want from
their romance films, which if there's any women watching, please comment and let us
know, like, what are the things that actually are fulfilling for you in romance movies?

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Because we could be completely wrong.
Yeah.
I really love the idea that you think women are watching our podcasts.
I would love if they would.
That would be great.
But I just don't expect that.
The only time I had like more than 15% of women watching a video of mine was when I

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did like a true crime type of story.
Spooky stuff.
Yeah.
It was like over 50% women, which I thought was pretty interesting.
15% is good, bro.
Did you say 15?
Yeah.
Anytime it's over 15, it's like a...
No, sorry.
Yeah.
Anytime it's over 15, it's just like media stuff that I do.
But the...
When I was doing the spooky content for a while, that was more women were watching.

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Mine's around 12 and I'm proud of that.
Oh no.
Now I'm concerned mine's going to be the worst.
Oh no.
Because I don't talk about like...
I don't...
Oh boy.
Yeah.
I don't talk about like Marvel shit and all that kind of...
Or like anything...
Yeah.
I'm going to have like all the 12 year old boys in my head.
Yeah.
I don't have anybody under the age of 18.
I don't have any under 18 in my analytics.

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It's wild.
It's weird.
It's because I'm old.
But yeah.
I mean, do you all have any thoughts?
What are your favorite romance movies?
Well, the one that I recommended for the podcast this month is When Harry Met Sally, which
I think is like totally a normie movie.

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But it's...
It's a great movie though.
It's really...
I think it's one of the best, if not the very best, like rom-coms ever made.
It's just such a tight script.
It's like one of the perfect examples of those movies that don't get made anymore.
Like this type of just very, very original script.
It's not an original story, but it's an original script with very tight acting, just amazing

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vibes altogether.
I think it's a really great movie.
Yeah, I look at it in the same vein as Grandma's Boy, or Grandma's Boy, fucking Groundhog Day.
They both feel very similar in terms of how well they're written and just how well the
story flows.
And just the performance of the time.
It's crazy.
Acting's changed over the years, the way people actually portray roles, because definitely

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people were way more over the top back then.
But in some ways it worked better.
But it can't be done nowadays.
I made a video, I just released that sitcoms video, and all of performances in Third Rock
from the Sun, which is the show I was shilling, are so obscenely over the top.

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It's almost like straight up theater performances.
But it works so well.
I kind of wish there was a way to make stuff like that work nowadays.
But things are just so downplayed.
I mean, what do you guys think people are really saying when they say, oh, they don't
make them like this anymore?
I think they're watching just exclusively Hollywood stuff.

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But there isn't really, like, there aren't really big performances like that very often.
Like, you have like random performances by Nick Cage being a weirdo.
But like, how often do you see people making a really big performance these days?
I mean, Willie Rose, that was a really big performance.
Yeah, that was a big performance.
That's true.
Willem Dafoe's Not Afraid to Get Crazy out there.

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There's a few.
But I think it just depends on what the tone is.
Like, if you have the right character.
I think that's part of why I like the Please Don't Destroy movie so much is just because
those they weren't trying to be good actors.
They were trying to be funny.
And I think it really like whether it hit for you or not, like, I think it just kind

(01:04:52):
of stuck with me.
Like, it was kind of like a flashback to like comedy of the past.
I'm a big fan of it in a bittersweet way.
How do you guys feel about Marriage Story?
I actually I really like Marriage Story.
I didn't finish it.
You didn't finish it?
I'm kind of bored.
I'm not gonna lie.
It doesn't it picks up in the last third.

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But that's one where I'm like, I can always appreciate romance films when they just fully
go into the like, listen for not for it's like, it's not going to be a happy ending
for everybody.
Sometimes you just have to move on.
But you can still appreciate a part of that person.
And I really appreciate stories like that.
I think Marriage Story especially goes out on a really nice note like that.

(01:05:34):
Yeah, there's so many great moments in Marriage Story.
Like, I mean, you know, I think it's it's probably much more impactful if you've actually
been through a divorce, which I haven't.
But I love the scene where Alan Alda is like telling Adam Driver's character this this
really long convoluted joke.
And Adam Driver's just like looking at the clock because he's paying for time with this

(01:05:58):
guy.
I'm sorry, am I paying for this joke right now?
Remember that scene?
Yeah, I do.
There's just a lot of funny like really naturalistic moments where you're like, I don't you don't
think about how that would work in real life.
Like when they're serving him papers, and like the sister is doing it, but she's still
like friends with him, but she's like been told she has to serve him papers.

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So she's like, you've you've been served and just awkwardly slides it.
Oh, yeah.
Because they don't they like, they don't like it.
Yeah, they love especially Scarlett Johansson.
They love him.
Yeah, they they were like, why are you doing this?
And they still wanted to have a relationship with him.
Yeah, that's all of no no bomb box movies, actually.

(01:06:43):
I think he's a really good director.
What was the one?
I haven't seen everything he's done.
But I really have there was one with Adam Sandler.
He's done like the squid in the whale.
It was the Meyerowitz story from the one with Ben Stiller.
Yeah, yeah, Ben Stiller.
I like that one.
It wasn't as good, but I really liked it.
Airdroids great though.

(01:07:04):
He's married.
He's married to Greta Grimwre.
He's married to the Barbie.
I have a quick thing.
So have you all noticed over the past like maybe six months or so trailers have been
getting a little better?
Am I crazy?
I mean, I think we've had a few solid ones, but we've still consistently had very bad
ones.
Did you all see the trailer for the new Final Destination movie?

(01:07:28):
No, it was fine.
It was really good to me.
I really liked it and they just set up an entire kill, didn't give us any plot and they
set it to the music like perfectly.
That was fucking badass.
And then also the new 28 years later trailer was really, really fucking good.
Yeah, that was a great trailer actually.
The new Seth Rogen Johnny Knoxville thing that you sent me last night was really, really

(01:07:54):
funny.
It's that new show where Seth Rogen is a studio exec and they're basically like, I don't know
the context, but it's basically just trying to like basically make fun of like these big
studios and how they run.
The intro.
It shows you them just like watching a trailer for the movie they're making like in the

(01:08:17):
universe of the show and it's a movie where it's a zombie apocalypse, but the way that
the zombie virus is spread is by the zombies like doing explosive diarrhea on the humans.
What's the actor's name?
Josh Hutcherson.
He just gets coded in like zombie shit.
He's like, am I done for?
Yeah.
Johnny Knoxville is like, yeah, you just fucking killed him.

(01:08:37):
Yeah, it's so funny.
Like as they're going around the room, like, is this going to play well in China?
Like I don't really know.
And Johnny Knoxville is like, I know, I know we have to get the explosive diarrhea in, but
I really wanted to make a movie about misinformation in the medical field and all that stuff.
It's really fucking funny.
And I actually heard that Martin Scorsese is in that show and plays himself.

(01:09:00):
Oh really?
Yeah.
We need more Marty acting roles.
I love Marty showing up in movies.
They have a lot of real life people playing themselves in that show.
Did y'all see the like very much like entourage?
Did y'all see the it was a long time ago, the Martin Scorsese trailer.
It was like Walgreens commercial or some shit.
I don't remember what it was, but he's like, he like goes in and he's just he goes in and

(01:09:24):
he like has like he gets his like pictures from the whatever the kiosk where they like
give you your pictures from your little disposable camera.
And he's just going through and he's like too violent, too fucking blah, blah, blah,
too block.
And it's like his nephew's like like birthday or something.
No, I like he like calls his son and he's or calls his nephew is like, you're going
to have to redo your birthday.

(01:09:44):
It was like his performance and it was really funny.
It was good.
I just like Killers of the Flower Moon.
No, not really.
I liked it.
I don't know if I'd ever watch it again, though.
It's a big ask to watch it.
But I liked it.
I really I loved it watching it the first time.
But I agree with you that I don't know how much replay value it has.

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Whereas like the movie he made right before that, The Irishman, which is just as long.
But I rewatch that movie that was like twice a year.
Probably.
I love The Irishman.
I honestly think The Irishman is one of his best movies.
The problem with The Irishman is there's like three better mob dramas that he's made that
I could just go watch instead.

(01:10:28):
I don't even know if that's true, though.
I think the scene is a meta appreciation for me.
The scene where fucking Pacino and Tony Pro are arguing about being late.
I'm not saying it's bad.
That is one of the best scenes in a Martin Scorsese movie.
Who's the guy who's like in the Hawaiian Troll time?

(01:10:49):
That actor.
He's so fucking funny.
Yeah, Tony Pro.
He was the guy from he's British.
He was in like Boardwalk Empire and shit.
Yeah, he's from a lot of Guy Ritchie movies.
He's incredible.
I mean, the movie has its most shining moments.
People didn't like the aging makeup and everything, and it looks ridiculous at points, but I just
don't care.

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It doesn't bother me at all.
I would honestly say I liked Flower Moon more probably than The Irishman.
There were parts where De Niro and Irishman is like curb stomping someone and he's supposed
to be like 31, but he's moving like a 74 year old.
Yeah, it's just a little weird.
I don't know.
But it didn't ever took me out too much.
Just anytime he has to do anything, like even when he's just like he's like throwing the

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gun, he's like he's doing like T-Rex arms.
And then they could have just they could have just got another actor to fucking do the role
and then put his face on it.
It would have been so much better.
He could have just called up Leo probably.
Yeah.
Hey Leo, you mind doing this one for free?
What about Nolan?
What's your guys favorite Nolan movie?
We never really talked about Nolan.

(01:11:54):
I just watched Inception for the first time since I was 11.
What do you think? I only really like one Nolan movie.
What's that?
The Prestige.
I need to rewatch Prestige.
I think I've seen almost I've not seen Memento.
That's the only one I haven't seen.
I've seen every one of his movies.
Memento is good.
I liked what was his first movie?

(01:12:16):
His like like zero budget movie called.
Fuck.
I forgot the name of it.
No, no, I forgot what it's called.
I think it's like it's like something follows or no, I don't remember.
But that one was pretty decent.
And then Memento is cool.
But like it's one of those things when once you watch it once it's like man, it's lost
the yeah.
And then same thing with like Inception.

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Like once you like kind of go through that movie once and you revisit it, it just loses
all value.
And then I don't know Interstellar.
Same thing.
I when I watched it in theaters, I was like, oh my God, that movie was fucking amazing.
And I went to go watch it back at home and I was like, oh, I fucking hate this shit.
I really like Interstellar.
Yeah.
I felt that while watching a few months ago when I watched it Interstellar for the first

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time, I was in my early 20s and I was like, this is so corny.
Like the power of love transcending through the black hole or something and allowing this
guy to enter some Tesseract or whatever.
I thought it was very cheesy.
And like Anne Hathaway's monologue about how the power of yeah, like the power of love
is the only observable observable constant in the universe.

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I thought all that was very corny.
But then when I watched it recently, I was like, some reason it hit harder for me.
I think I've gotten more sentimental and more spiritual.
I think that's the same thing.
I've become less bitter.
Yeah, it just, it just sucks.
Because like Matthew McConaughey is so fucking good in it.
And it just like, it just, he makes me cry every time I see that 23 years later scene.

(01:13:43):
Yeah, it's really good.
That movie has really good moments in it.
And it's like really pretty like, there's just, I just, I just can't get into it.
But the procedure is a perfect movie.
So I'll just, I'll never hate on Nolan too much because he literally has a 10 out of
10 movie.
I don't remember anything about the members.
Like a six for me.
The only big ones I have not seen are I have not seen Oppenheimer.

(01:14:05):
I have not seen Memento.
I have not seen Dunkirk yet.
And I have not seen, um, Oh no, that's it.
I'd be curious on your take on Oppenheimer.
What?
I mean, I think he did a bad job by making it, letting that guy build the new clip.
Facts.

(01:14:25):
The funny, the funny thing about Inception is like, it's a movie all about dreams, but
it's the like, since Christopher Nolan is such a, he's such a like clinical sterile
sort of filmmaker, you know, like his movies are so, they're so exacting, but there's not
a lot of soul to them really, especially in terms of like production.
Yeah, like it's like, it would be if like the architect of like the most boring apartment

(01:14:52):
complexes in New York city, you were able to go into his dreams.
Like that's what Inception is, you know?
It's very much like a similar directing style to like Clint Eastwood where like, he's not
really trying to get the most out of his actors at any point in time, which I think is why
Christopher Nolan's really lucky that like great actors want to work with him because
he doesn't have to put as much effort into them.

(01:15:13):
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
I mean, I wouldn't say that.
I mean, I think Nolan is much more of a technical filmmaker than Clint Eastwood.
Clint Eastwood is just like, I feel like he's just like, let's get it done.
We'll get it done under budget.
We'll shoot it.
We'll do two takes.
We can go home early.
Yeah.
He's like that too.

(01:15:33):
There's like, you can see like, not for a lot of us, you can see where a lot of his
scenes falter where he could just literally reshoot it one more time, but he doesn't,
he's known for having very few takes on his shots as well.
I've heard that Nolan will spend like entire days on just like a single scene where other
directors would get it done.

(01:15:54):
Yeah.
He doesn't give me the impression that he's lazy at all.
I don't think he's lazy.
I think, but like, I think it's, what I was reading about is specifically like his fight
scenes and stuff.
He just likes to get them done.
His fight scenes, he is not good at shooting hand to hand combat.
My goodness.
Like the Dark Knight Rises was some of the worst action scenes I've ever seen, excluding
like, I don't know, even, even though all the like CG stuff and Dark Knight Rises is

(01:16:17):
not, well, it's pretty well directed.
It's really rough.
It's so bad.
He was really wrangled into doing that last one though.
I think they, the studio like pushed him into doing that.
I think because he wanted to do Interstellar, they were like, it was like one for me, one
for them kind of thing.
Well, I thought that's what he did because he did Batman Begins.

(01:16:38):
They wanted the Dark Knight.
So he's like, I'll make Inception and then I'll make the Dark Knight.
Did that come out before or after though?
Am I getting those?
Inception was after the Dark Knight.
Oh, okay.
So he made Dark Knight.
Yeah.
Interstellar was after Dark Knight Rises though.
That was a year after.
Oh, okay.
I didn't even mind Dark Knight Rises.
I mean, those, I was just so invested.
I did recently.
I mean, it's one of those things where I was so invested in the series at that point.

(01:17:01):
I was just like, fuck it.
Like whatever it is, I'll enjoy it.
But you know.
Tenet sucked for me though.
I don't know if you guys like Tenet, but I thought it was awful.
My wife and I saw Tenet.
This was during COVID.
So we were all masked up.
Nobody was in the movie theater.

(01:17:22):
We were watching it probably about an hour in and we're just like, what the fuck is going
on?
Why is everyone backwards?
We had a whole scene of them explaining it, but I don't really know.
Why is, okay.
Robert Pattinson's going back.
So there's an emotional moment happening, but I don't know what the hell's happening.
I can't understand the way they're fucking saying.

(01:17:42):
What the hell is he saying?
Oh my God.
The audio mix is so dog shit.
Oh thank God it's over.
Yeah.
No, it was like people talk about the Christopher Nolan exposition problem, which is most apparent,
I think in Inception, kind of in Inception, but horribly in Tenet.
Like I was actually laughing.
I was laughing when I first watched it.
I was like, I can't believe this is how he's deciding to tell this story.

(01:18:05):
Like you just have entire minutes of the movie or just Robert Pattinson and the main character
guy, I forget what his name is.
It took me three goes.
Describing the way the shit works.
I'm like, is this fucking serious?
It took me three goes to get through that movie.
And the only reason I gave it so many shots is because my friend was just telling me,
you need to watch it, bro.
You need to watch it, bro.

(01:18:26):
And then I watched it and it was not worth it.
The problem with that is I'm like, Inception is a similar movie in terms of that it's a
sci-fi modern day film.
But the thing is Inception is not this great.
It's a cool idea, but it's not incredibly incomprehensible.
We made a machine where you can go into people's dreams, interact.
And then what if you go in their dream and you start dreaming while you're in their dream

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and you build off of that?
Tenet is, guys, so imagine if there's like some matter and bullets and they move backwards
and then you move backwards and then you're moving backwards.
So you have to breathe in nitrogen so you don't breathe out oxygen.
And then your car is driving backwards and you're fighting a forwards man while you're
going backwards, man.
And then you're going to intersect in your life at some point.

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And what?
Yeah, there's no it doesn't matter how many times you explain it.
It's not going to make it cool to me.
Yeah.
I mean, hopefully he learned a lesson from that and that like people aren't fucking just
looking for the weirdest shit possible.
They just want a good movie.
I'm fine with weird stuff.
He just didn't do a good job at letting the audience understand.

(01:19:32):
Well, I don't know.
He bounced back big time, though.
I know.
I mean, I know you hate Oppenheimer, but most people really love that movie.
I mean, it like swept to the Oscars.
I think it was the best movie of 2023.
I mean, even you should really watch it.
It's really it's on my list.
I'll get through all this stuff.
I'm going to a Hans Zimmer orchestral concert at the end of the month and a lot of Nolan's

(01:19:58):
music is playing.
So I got a lot of things going to be there.
No, it's just going to be some other orchestra playing, but they're going to be playing all
of his like big hits.
And a few of them are from Nolan films.
So the only one I have to watch now is Dunkirk, because that's the only one I haven't heard
that's playing.
There's a lot of music in Dunkirk, too.
I read somebody say recently, I don't know if it was one of you two or just some random

(01:20:20):
person on like Twitter.
They're like fucking the thing about inception is why is everybody having such a boring ass
dream?
That's my that was my review.
I said people are having some lame ass dreams.
Yeah, it makes like why the fuck that is true, though.
They're like, dude, I had this dream last night where I was at a cafe.
Dude, I had this dream where where I was at an office building.

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Yeah, it's insane.
I had a dream where I was just in a plane, chilling, just in it was in a plane.
And then one guy's like, I had a dream where I was going to a military base.
It's like, OK, so you played Cod.
He's like, I was dreaming I was like, I was an old man eating rice.
Remember that?
And that was the very opening of the beginning is just Leo.

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Leo wakes up on a beach and goes to talk to an old guy who eats rice.
It's similar to how you like it, like the nightmare on Elm Street's like the like the
why is the dream world always just red dust world?
I don't know, at least Nightmare on Elm Street, they get fucking crazy with it sometimes,
especially in the later films.
Yeah, for sure.
I'm just it's just funny because it's like this is this is not what my dreams look like.

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My God, Nolan's got to have the most boring dreams.
You go in his head, it's like Patrick from SpongeBob.
He's just writing on a thing.
But instead he's sitting at his desk.
He's like, I'm having a dream about writing.
Oh, my pen ran out of ink.
Do you have another pen on you?
No, I just dreamed that I had a really good telescope.
I still feel like the Sopranos depicts dreams better than anything I've ever seen on screen.

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Well, I think when you get through visually necessarily, but just just in the way the
characters interact with each other, it feels very like.
Yeah, I think you kind of have to get surreal when you come when you when it comes to dreams,
because dreams don't really make sense.
Whenever you make dreams make sense.
That's going to be a problem for you.
I think Inception works for the dreams spec or the dreamsake of how they explain stuff

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or they're like, like, I really like the opening scene with Elliot Page or not the opening
scene, the scene with Elliot Page and Leo sitting at the cafe and being like, well,
in dreams, you never know.
You just kind of start in the middle of the dream.
That's all you remember.
Yeah.
Think about it.
Do you remember getting here?
And then that's when everything starts crumbling because you're like, we're dreaming right
now.

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I thought that was really cool.
That's how dreams feel.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Boring ass dreams.
I mean, I feel like altogether, though, Inception didn't really age well for me.
I also watched it a couple of days ago and I was like, this movie is is kind of dumb.
Like, like what?
I don't know.
It's like just the entire concept of it is kind of silly when you think about it.

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Just go like they never explain.
I mean, you know, not that they necessarily have to, but it's just so quickly explained
like, oh, this was a device that dream sharing was developed by the CIA to try to.
I don't even know.
Like for what?
Like why would they?
Extract information from people.
Yeah, I guess so.
But it was like that.
That was kind of silly to me.

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The entire the entire plot line of them, like trying to go into this guy's dream and make
him have a realization about his father.
It's almost like a kind thing that they were trying to do.
You know, like the Inception plot or like ostensibly, they're sort of fucking with this
guy, but really what they're ultimately what they do is make them have this realization
or understanding of like a better way to contextualize his relationship with his father, which is

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it's like, wow, you guys are badass criminals.
You know, it's not really a passionate criminals.
Yeah, I think Nolan's biggest fumble is did you all watch Westworld?
No, I watched the season.
I could not finish.
I could not get in.
Well, no, that's what I mean.
The first season like as a whole is like a fucking masterpiece.
So God, I didn't even know he was involved.

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I think I think they both wrote the first season and I think his brother directed it.
But like that movie, how did the fuck did it fall off a cliff so hard?
Like it had like the perfect setup.
Westworld.
Yeah, the first season.
The first season was actually a masterpiece, in my opinion.
Didn't Jesse Pinkman showed up in it eventually, didn't he?
In like season three and then it got canceled.

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Yeah, they were going to do four, I think.
Yeah, I don't know.
I've heard a lot of people say this.
I don't know how true this is.
Like if there's any water, if it holds water.
But Nolan's brother, Jonathan Nolan, used to co-write on like almost all his projects.
So like The Dark Knight, The Prestige, Interstellar.
I think specifically Interstellar was the last project that was co-written by both of

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them.
And from then it's just been Nolan, I think.
I may be wrong and it might have been someone else.
But he usually collaborates.
There's even that quote where Christopher Nolan says like the line from The Dark Knight,
you either live long enough to see yourself or you either die here or you live long enough.
You live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

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And he's like, that line haunts me because I didn't write that.
My brother wrote that.
I don't know.
I think his brother-
I think he's kind of lost that part.
I think collaborative with his brother, yeah.
I think his stuff was better.
Like his earlier stuff was way better written.
I think they mulled stuff off each other really well.
Did he write Oppenheimer?
Wait, Nolan did.
I think Christopher Nolan did.

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Written and directed by Nolan.
Yeah, I thought Oppenheimer was a really tight script.
Christopher Nolan's never directed someone else's.
I thought it was-
I don't know, bro.
I got to watch it and we'll talk about it.
It's long, but it's really, I don't know.
It's long and it's specifically avoids a lot of things that people would find interesting.
And it finds it's literally, he needed somebody to like, I think that's where his brother

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probably stepped in where he's like, look, dude, this is only interesting to you.
You're the only, you find this interesting.
Are you fucking kidding me, dude?
Oppenheimer made so much money in 2023 and won like 10 Oscars.
That's because it was right after fucking COVID.
What the fuck is that?
It was Barbenhauer.
It was the number two he had most anticipated movies.
I'm saying that the things that were focused on in the movie are not the things that general

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audiences give a shit about.
He had way too much focus on a lot of fucking dog shit.
It was so fucking shit that nobody cared about.
Oppenheimer made so much money and it was like the first release after fucking all the
COVID restrictions fucking came out and it was like the first real movie.
Dude, it came out in 2023.
The COVID restrictions were done by like 2022.
Yeah, but no movies were coming out for the longest period of time.

(01:26:43):
No good movies.
Spider-Man No Way Home came out in 2020 I think.
Spider-Man No Way Home made like 14, 1.4 billion or something in 2021.
And so did Batman came out.
Maybe I'm wrong and I just hate Nolan.
Okay, leave me alone.
That's what we found out here.
I think that's the answer.
But I did fucking hate that movie.

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Yeah, I gotta watch this so we can talk about it.
Yeah, we should talk about Oppenheimer.
I'll give it a fresh one.
Wasn't there a post credit scene where Einstein shows up and he goes, fine, I'll do it myself.
Einstein is in it.
And Robert Downey Jr. plays Dr. Doom sort of.

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He kind of is Dr. Doom in that movie.
What do you think about it?
Do you guys think Robert Downey Jr.
Dr. Doom is going to show up in Fantastic Four?
Yeah, I think they're going to do like a post credit scene.
Yeah.
I'm really curious to see how they pull that off.
Yeah, I fucking hate that.
I've said it since I've read the casting.

(01:27:47):
I hate the casting, bro.
Why?
I think it's going to be a one and done.
It's because he's Robert Downey Jr.
But I think they're going to do one and done, do the big Avengers thing, and then he's never
going to play Dr. Doom again.
No, not the Robert Downey Jr. casting.
I don't even hate that that much.
I hate fucking the Mr. Fantastic casting.
That's the only one where I'm like, eh.

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But he's a good enough actor.
I'm sure he'll make it work.
Yeah, I think he can be versatile.
I think he's more versatile than you're giving credit for, Nick.
Yeah, you don't want him to be stretched too thin.
Yeah, I just think he's not.
He doesn't come off as smart, dude.
Mr. Fantastic is smart.
Like literally Jim from The Office.

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That really felt like a felt like a better Mr. Fantastic for me.
That felt like Jim from The Office was wearing a stupid as blue rubber condom.
I would rather have the office.
This guy right here, his power is talking.
So better not mess with his mouth.
That was a right.
That was a writing issue.
His character decisions made no sense.

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I don't get that casting fan casting.
I don't understand why people like that.
There's just one Photoshop of him with a beard and like the Fantastic Four thing.
When he has a beard, he does kind of look like most depictions of Reed Richard in the
comics that I've seen.
Well, they started making him look like Reed in the comics.
They did the same thing before Sam Jackson was cast as Nick Fury because they were like,

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wouldn't it be cool if they got Nick Fury in the movies?
So they started making Nick Fury look like Sam Jackson.
And then Sam Jackson was like, I'll do it.
Sure.
So they did the same thing with John Krasinski.
And then people were like, well, we should make him, you know, you guys should get him.
And then I think Kevin Feige was like, fine, you assholes.
I'll throw him in and his cameo and turn him into a goddamn blue spaghetti.
Weirdly enough, you know who I think would have been a good Mr. Fantastic fucking Benedict

(01:29:37):
Cumberbatch if he wasn't already Dr. Strange.
I think I think Penn Badgley would have been a great Mr. Fantastic.
Is he still like, is he too young?
He's like 30 something.
I don't know.
It seems like they wanted to cast, yeah, they wanted to cast a little older for the, at
least the three older characters.

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Like Johnny seems younger, but I don't know.
Penn Badgley is almost 40.
Oh, okay.
Well, yeah, that could work.
I think he was, he was my pick because he's kind of, I think Reed is best when he's a
bit of an asshole too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't really know anything about Reed Richards beyond him stretching and being smart.
He's often, he sometimes turns into a villain.

(01:30:19):
He's like one of those characters.
Oh, do you guys know about the maker?
Yeah.
That's, that's supposed to be a cool character.
That's like evil Reed Richards.
He's an evil version of the Reed Richards from the ultimate universe, I think.
Yeah.
He's like the big Thanos of the ultimate Marvel universe.
You know who else could have been good, even though it would piss off literally everyone
in the entire fucking world?

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Who's the guy from monkey man?
What's his fucking name?
Oh, Dev Patel.
Yeah.
I think he would have been great.
Yeah.
I love Dev Patel.
I want him to get more work.
He was awesome.
He's so good.
He's good in everything.
He was good in skins back in the olden days.
Was he a Mr. Slumdog millionaire?

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Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what are we going to be talking about next week?
Yeah.
What's, so it is close to the next recognition.
I know you already mentioned it, but do you want to go ahead and reiterate it for the audience?
Well, I feel like next week we should do Captain America because it's coming out.
Well, we can do Captain America, Brave New Bird guy and The Wreck.

(01:31:21):
I think we can do them both.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
So my recommendation is When Harry Met Sally, my favorite rom-com of all time.
Love that movie.
Directed by?
Oh, I don't even know.
Is it Rob Reiner?
It's Rob Reiner.
Is it?
Oh, okay.
I think it's a good version as well.

(01:31:42):
There's two versions?
Oh, I don't know.
Actually, I was just assuming there was a remake at some point.
Oh, no.
No, I hope not.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I think you guys are going to like that one.
Well, you've seen it, right Nick?
Yeah.
But I'm happy to watch it again.
Just a good goodbye movie.
There's a sequel from 2011.
There's a sequel?
We got to watch that at some point.

(01:32:05):
That sounds like bullshit.
When Harry Met Sally 2 with Billy Crystal and Helen Mirian, 2011, directed by Lindsay
Crystal.
The episode is five minutes long.
It's like a fucking short.
It's probably like an SNL short or something.
Probably.
The episode title for next week is going to look so funny.
It's going to be Captain America, Brave New World, and When Harry Met Sally.
That's going to be a perfect combo.

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So if you guys do not want to be spoiled for next episode where we talk about When Harry
Met Sally and Captain America, it was called New World Order and then they renamed it to
Brave New World because they because conspiracy theorists and all that.
So we're going to be watching both of those.
So if you don't want to be spoiled, make sure you watch those before next episode.
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