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Yeah, you know Chicken Little is my favorite Disney movie, but did you know that it was
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actually created from like a European folk tale called Henny Penny?
It was basically like an allegory for the masses.
Listen, I hate to interrupt, but welcome to Hate to Interrupt.
I am Gulof, otherwise known as Ethan, and I am joined by Nick from Stop Culture.
I'm VHS guy Nick.
Yeah, and so today we're going to be covering two extremely disparate movies.
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The first movie is the latest from Marvel Studios, Captain America, Brave New World,
which I believe is once called New World Order, but they changed it to Brave New World.
Why do you guys think they did that?
Because it's, I think it's because so many stupid conspiracy theorists exist that they
were afraid.
Not even just that.
New World Order doesn't, after watching the movie, New World Order doesn't make any sense.
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That would have made more sense as a title for Winter Soldier, since that's kind of the
entire plot.
Well, there was one scene in the movie where it was like, we're entering a brave new world,
like the news anchor said that.
Remember that?
That was definitely a reshoot line.
Dude, the fucking news scenes in the beginning, like the exposition news scenes, just like
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let you know what the new Captain America has been up to and how a brand new President
Thunderbolt Ross is in charge now and he's wreaking havoc and just reminding people what
happened in the fucking 2008 Edward Norton Hulk movie that nobody remembers.
You know, to all the people that didn't want to watch our Disney Plus show, here's what
happened.
Yeah, it was very outrageous.
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I loved the Edward Norton movie, but I'm also just like, I'll just suck off anything with
Edward Norton.
It felt like a strange sequel to that actually.
It was weird.
There's a lot of stuff from that movie that came back.
Yeah, and I think, I think what do you all think about Mark Ruffalo Hulk?
Do you all ever like him?
I don't know if they've done anything interesting with him in a while since like Thor Ragnarok.
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I mean, I actually, I like Mark.
I like Mark Ruffalo Hulk the best in the first Avengers movie, actually.
Where he's like your classic Hulk.
Yeah, because eventually he just became like, he, yeah, he, he had more of a personality.
He had like a conflicted sense of who he was.
And then I think he got, ironically, like got less interesting as he started to accept
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the Hulk more.
And then he kind of became like almost a comic relief character.
Like by the time Professor Hulk rolls around in Endgame, it's like, he's basically just
a fucking joke.
You know?
Yeah.
Well, there's, there's, there's a reason they never gave him his own movie, I feel like.
They were just like.
Well, I mean, that was also, that's apparently a rights issue.
They're not allowed to give him a solo movie because Universal, Universal owns partial rights
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to a Hulk movie.
Cause that's why he's always.
I thought it was because Lou Ferrigno would kill Kevin Feige if they did that.
I wouldn't be shocked if we saw a stupid cameo by Lou Ferrigno as like a version of the Hulk
in the multiverse by the next Avengers movie.
They gave Lou Ferrigno a cameo in the like, what's the Brokeback Mountain director in
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his movie?
Ang Lee.
Oh yeah.
I remember that.
I remember that.
By the way, I liked the Ang Lee Hulk.
I liked the Ang Lee Hulk.
I think that was actually pretty good.
To me it's like on the cusp of being a like so bad, it's a good movie.
It's like such a fast movie.
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It's not so bad.
It's good.
I mean, you know, there, there are a lot of weird choices in the movie and the Hulk looks
goofy.
It's so dated, you know?
But I think what they were trying to do with it, like the conflict between the Hulk and
his father, I thought was really good actually.
There was, there were some moments that were actually very beautiful, I thought, between
him and Jennifer Connelly.
And I actually like the themes really good too.
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I can agree.
I think all the Hulk moments kind of ruined it for me though.
Like whenever he's like munching on fucking missiles and shit, he just looks so goofy.
He was so green too.
Like, you know, it would be a weird complaint to say that Hulk is too green, but he was
way too saturated for my taste.
He looked like he was basically like fucking exorcist vomit green.
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Yeah, he was primary color Hulk green.
Yeah.
So what did y'all, what did y'all think of Brave New World, boys?
Captain Capfort America.
I mean, I thought it was pretty, I thought it was like pretty fine.
I didn't, I didn't, especially considering all the reshoots and everything, I, you know,
you can, you can see some of, some of those seams in the movie, but I don't know.
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I didn't think it was like a horrible viewing experience by any means.
It's definitely, it's not one of the worst Marvel movies.
I don't think, I think it's like a mid tier Marvel movie for me.
It was hard for me to pay attention to it.
Like it was, it was okay.
It was whatever.
Like it wasn't like egregiously bad, but it was really not keeping my attention very well.
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I think if I saw this in theaters and I think this was one of the first times where I was
sitting in my chair and kind of thinking to myself like, you know, I kind of want popcorn.
Is it really worth going to get popcorn?
And the movie's already started.
And I went, you know, I don't need popcorn, but if I really wanted popcorn, I would have
been fine with getting up and missing some of the movie.
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And I don't usually do that.
Yeah.
I, I, I feel you.
My biggest, I mean, it sucks.
I really, I genuinely feel for Anthony Mackie because he's going to get shit on so much
during this reign of him leading the Avengers and all this shit.
And it's not really his fault.
He shouldn't have been given a leading man role.
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Like he really just shouldn't, he shouldn't be in this position.
Yeah.
I mean, we should, we should talk about that.
The fact that the fact that he was, he was even given the mantle of captain America was
a pretty wild choice.
And it goes back to what I was saying last week about Kevin Feige just being cocky.
It's like you're so, I mean, I don't know what you guys feel about Chris Evans, but to
me, he's an incredibly charismatic actor.
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He is, he was like born to be a leading man, you know?
And then to give that to Anthony Mackie, who, who barely worked most of the time as a supporting
character during the first 10 years of Marvel to give him the, you know, the ostensible
leading role in the, the Avengers, whatever that's going to be in the next couple of years
was pretty wild.
It's definitely a fucking choice, you know?
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And I think we've seen in this movie that it's not necessarily working out so well.
I don't know.
That's kind of-
It's also an annoying discussion to have with people because a lot of people try to turn
it into a character discussion.
And it's not about the character taking over like as Captain America.
Like that's fine.
It happened in the comics.
I don't care.
It's literally him as an actor.
I just don't think he's a strong enough actor to carry it.
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Just for the people out there that want to argue.
I think honestly, I'm kind of, I do disagree with you guys.
I think Anthony Mackie is, could have that potential to be a good leading man.
My issue is I feel like not only was he kind of mischaracterized in this movie, I think
he was just poorly written.
Like he was so uninteresting.
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Can you guys tell me what arc his character had in this movie?
Like what was his character arc by the end of the movie?
What did he learn?
There was no progression of the character at all.
At all.
Yeah.
And a lot of that-
Yeah.
And also the supporting characters were really bad too.
Like his little Hispanic homie that comes around with them.
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The actors weren't bad.
It's Hispanic homie.
Maybe you're right.
I didn't mean it in a weird way.
He had potential maybe if they wrote something interesting to happen, but it was so generic
too.
It was exactly what happened in all the early MCU movies with the side characters.
They get injured and then they come back and talk to him in the hospital bed at the end.
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The worst side character for me was the Israeli superhero who was apparently-
Captain Israel?
Is it Captain?
Is she called Captain Israel?
No, she's not.
I don't think she is.
But honestly, I was really paying attention to her.
It was also really funny because she's like four foot two or whatever.
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But I was watching because I'm like, I've seen her on the poster.
She's wearing a white and blue Israeli outfit.
What are they doing?
I'm like, there's been five rounds of reshoots.
They kept being like, let's suit up.
Then you'd see Falcon and Captain America fighting and she'd just be nowhere to be seen.
There's a part where you see her jacket over her outfit and then she just never goes into
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a fight in that outfit.
I think that's because they were just going to be like, guys, if we put her out there,
people are going to call her Captain Genocide.
We can't put her out there.
Yeah, that was definitely a big reshoot moment for sure.
Another thing that was annoying for me is the president had the biggest heart on for
killing the Isaiah guy.
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He's like, I want to kill the fuck out of this guy.
By the time the end, he's about to be executed.
It was common knowledge that Mr. Pendansky was mind controlling people.
Everybody knew that it wasn't him just trying to kill the president, but it's like, they're
about to execute him.
You got to do something quick.
It's like, I don't want to kill him so bad.
I'm Harrison Ford.
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Yeah, I really like Isaiah Bradley.
I think that character is really cool.
I think he's a great actor.
He was able to do a lot with not much in terms of material.
I really like that moment when Sam goes to see him in the fucking jail and he's like,
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don't be a part of this.
I want you to stay away from this and he's just electric.
That performer is genuinely incredible.
It was the only moments in the movie where there was any actual, I felt something a little
bit.
I had a little tingle in my heart.
Yeah, it makes my heart soft or really sad when it's just a really sad old guy who's
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had a really rough life who's just like, I just want to break, man.
I really will say, I think Mr. Pendansky was pretty good in it.
I think he was a decent villain.
I really hated the colors they chose to make him.
Who the fuck is Mr. Pendansky?
The bad guy with the brain boy.
Nutsackhead.
Why do you call him Pendansky?
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Because that's who he was in Holes.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, of course.
The 2004 Shia LaBeouf movie.
Shia LaBeouf.
I don't know the character name.
It's Sam Seltzer, I think is the character.
But didn't you all see the colors they chose to make him were weird?
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He didn't look the most like the eye effect.
He's hulking out in his own brain, dude.
He's like galaxy braining it with hulking magic.
I don't have a problem with them making him not skin color.
It was just like a weird orangey purple and it just didn't look good.
It was a weird effect.
That's what everyone knows.
You can ask Neil deGrasse Tyson this, if you fucking inject enough gamma radiation into
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your body, you're going to hulk the fuck out.
Whether it's in your brain or in your musculature, you're going to turn green and you're going
to fucking hulk out.
This is a little bit off topic.
You know how in movies, I've seen in movies and I Googled it to see that they were real,
but I didn't Google what they're for.
They have really, really big microwaves.
What do they use really big microwaves for?
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What this was in that movie?
No, well, there's one movie I can think of that has a really big microwave.
Are you talking about Kick-Ass?
Yeah, Kick-Ass.
But they exist.
What are they for?
Going off the AI overview, which is, as we know, is very reliable.
Food processing, ceramic manufacturing, chemical processing, medical applications, volumetric
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heating.
Oh wait.
Yeah, no, that's it.
No, I heard that they make really big microwaves specifically for the Flash to catch babies
in.
I can fit so many babies in here.
I'll finish.
I enjoyed the Flash 10 times more than I enjoyed this movie.
I'll agree with that for sure.
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I think this was, it ended and I watched this with my brother and sister and we all kind
of looked over to each other and we're like, how are we feeling?
And we went like, eh, eh, like middle to like bad.
It's just, it's one of those things I can't, I'm not going to say it's horrible.
Like I'm not going to just like, I'm not going to just shit on it entirely.
It was fine.
But it's like, is this really all you have whenever we've had this long without an MCU
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movie?
Like you're coming off, like imagine they released a good movie after this long of a
wait.
Like think about how much fucking money they would have made after this such a big hiatus
of Marvel movies.
Cause they did Deadpool and Wolverine was the last one, right?
Yeah.
And that wasn't even like the MCU world either.
Like that was like the big entrance to the MCU.
Well now it is, but yeah, I'm just saying like, this is like the actual return of like
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the Avengers main Avengers group type stuff.
It is funny that they've been struggling to just do the winter soldier again and they've
been doing it so badly each time.
And it's cause I've been seeing what you think, what were the other movies that they were
trying to do that?
Anything that were kept pitching secret invasion, which I know I haven't seen, but all I've
been seeing are bad things.
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They're like, guys, if you liked winter soldier, secret invasion is for you.
And it's just, I don't know.
This felt like they were trying to do winter soldier as well.
Didn't they release, didn't they release like a female Deadpool show of some kind?
I had no idea.
It was like a female Deadpool type, not Deadpool, daredevil type female daredevil type character.
Am I crazy?
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Oh, that show was fucking unwatchable.
God damn.
Really?
Yeah.
I mean, I guys, I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but it's like, you're going to
hire a performer who doesn't speak and you have to, you have to make sure you hire someone
who can emote facially.
And that, that woman has like three modes of fucking facial expression.
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It's just like angry, surprised, and fucking just like, I don't even know what the third
one is, but it's, it's, it's, yeah, literally it's, it's horrible.
I saw, I saw the trailer for it.
Whenever first, the trailer first came out and I was like, yeah, I'm not watching that
shit.
So that wasn't the tail end of just me kind of falling off of Marvel.
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So I was like, it's just in the pile of all the shows I'm not going to watch.
Yeah.
I think, I think my hype died.
Whenever I watched a moon night, I watched moon night and I was like, Oh, this looks
fucking sick.
Moon night's a cool comic.
And then I like watched it.
I was just like, that was just so late.
It was so like, like they had, like they had the acting chops.
They had like the direction looked okay, but just like it just, it just, it was okay.
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I feel like they couldn't like the first episode of moon night.
I thought the first episode of moon night was actually like exceptional for the first
episode was pretty cool.
And I think what's his, what's the actor's name?
I forget his name.
Oscar Isaacs.
Oscar Isaacs.
I think he did a good job.
I just, I, there was so much potential there, but it just, it just, once yeah, it's like
they, they always have this problem where it's like, they have to make it a fucking CGI
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typical Marvel fest by the end of it, no matter what.
And that's why people love the fucking, the, the Netflix shows so much because they were
very grounded.
Yeah.
I mean, I feel like that's what they're going to do with Daredevil.
And they made sure to be pretty explicit that it's going to have at least somewhat of a
similar feel to the Netflix shows through the trailers and even all the marketing seems
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that way too.
So I, I was actually reading something up on it and they were basically saying it's
going to be even more gory than the, the Netflix show, but I'm worried about that in terms
of like, because technically I would say Deadpool and Wolverine was more gory than the other
Deadpool movies, right?
But it also was like way more cartoony almost, almost and like just kind of like over the
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top ridiculous gory.
And like, I feel like I'm worried they're going to do that with Daredevil.
Just make it too cheesy with like, by trying to make it too violent.
What do y'all think?
I think, I don't think they can, I don't think that's going to be as gory because it's just
like Daredevil isn't funny.
You know, he's like as a character, he's serious as a heart attack.
So it's, it's hard to make his action scenes look cartoonish.
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I would imagine that that would be pretty, pretty difficult for them to pull off.
I mean, Deadpool is Deadpool, especially paired up with Wolverine.
They're two guys who like can't fucking die.
So of course they're just going to like stab each other constantly and it's going to be,
it's going to look ridiculous, but like Daredevil is just a dude, you know, like he, he, he
was like, it wasn't even like they couldn't die.
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But I agree with you.
I agree with what you're saying.
But I think in like the, like for example, in the Deadpool and Wolverine scene when they're
just killing all the fucking Deadpools.
Like there was no weight to any of that, those deaths.
I know none of them can fucking die, but like there was no weight to any of the violence.
It was just so fucking just, I don't know.
It felt weightless.
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Like you said, it was literally just weightless.
That was honestly, that was what I was, um, cause I was trying my best not to compare
this new Captain America to Winter Soldier.
Cause that's like the gold standard for me for like first three MCU stuff for the grounded
stuff.
And man, that first fight scene he has where he goes into, what is it?
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Like a church or something.
Um, it felt, I was just watching the action and it felt so paint by numbers.
It felt like the director went, okay, uh, action scene.
I'm going to hand this over to my DP, the Marvel guy.
And he's just going to, okay, now you punch him.
All right.
And we're going to move the camera.
Okay.
All right.
Let's go home everybody.
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It didn't feel like there was any energy or purpose between behind any of the camera
angles.
It was like, there was a lot of bad editing too.
Like, like whenever, uh, I literally wrote this down in my notes, whenever like he, the
Hulk first, whenever he, Harrison Ford first turns into the Hulk, there's a scene like
where Captain America jumps in and he fucking throws a shield at him.
There's not even like a scene like it's like a split second.
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It cuts back to him and he already has a shield in his hand.
I'm just like, you're not even going to fucking show it bouncing back to him or anything.
Like, you gotta give him some of the way with the shield, dude.
The shield is, the shield doesn't make any goddamn sense.
I mean, it's like, it doesn't, I'm not saying they have to like, be like, okay, if it hits
this wall, it needs to hit that wall and then come back to him.
I'm saying if it hits something, make it bounce back to him at the very fucking least.
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Like I can only fucking suspend my disbelief for so long.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, that, that stuff could have been better, I guess.
But I mean, if I just look at it, like in the turn my brain off way, like watching him
fight the red Hulk who is the president is kind of funny, I guess.
It's hilarious.
It's just so fucking stupid.
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Like when you come down to it, he's having a press conference about a new fucking element
or something being discovered in a giant robot that's fucking like coming out of the ocean.
And we're supposed to be taking this seriously as like an actual, you know, political conflict
between, between nation states.
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And then the fucking president turns into the Hulk.
And it's just like, this is a big red hole.
This movie should not be feel grounded.
Like to try to make this feel like this is, this is real.
Some kind of parallel to real life politics that happened in our world.
It's just so fuck.
It doesn't work.
You know, it's so weird.
Yeah.
Whereas like Winter Soldier, sorry, keep going back to it.
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Like that one feel is going very grounded, but it never asks too much of you.
All it is is like, listen, there's been a coup and Nazis are in control of the government.
That's pretty much all there is.
And there's some Russian brainwashing and other super soldiers.
And like you said, yeah, there's a, okay, we got a God coming out of the, out of the
Indian ocean.
Who's also turned into stone.
Who's also made of adamantium, which is, which is different than vibranium.
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Cause that's a, was this a more super duper version of the better it's even more better.
And now I'm a red giant green guy at a press car or a giant red monster at a press conference.
The entire last, the entire last 10 of the 10 minutes of this movie, you like, you were
right.
It was the most paint by numbers shit I've ever seen in my life.
First of all, him talking down the Hulk, like, come on.
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I was expecting a, look at the cherry blossoms.
Sun's getting real low.
I'm talking down the Hulk, him going to his like his new sidekick and being like, I'm
so glad you're okay.
Let's have a laugh that ends the movie.
Like, oh my fucking God.
It was so fucking cliche.
Yeah.
It, it, it's, it's, um, I was talking about this a while ago with some friends and it
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was just like, they, they, they're kept being these improv moments in the movie where it
felt like there was no script and there was like, all right, Anthony, you and the other
guy, uh, new Falcon jr. are going to be, uh, like doing a little, you're going to walk
down this hallway and just going to be joking around and just Dan go.
And they'd just be like, oh, hey, oh, ah, you did that little, oh, yep.
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Okay.
And then the scene was it just, you know, end or continue.
And there was a few of those and they ended the movie on this super awkward, spoken like
a true spoken like a true Miami in or whatever the fuck you say.
Yeah.
It's something.
And I was just like, oh, okay.
And then it just ends.
I'm like, that's a really weird scene to end it off.
Also, did you guys notice why, why are they both wearing like ant man helmets?
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Did you, did you notice that?
Oh, how was it like the shape?
Both of their, yeah, both of their costumes were like ant manified.
I felt like that had to have been something that got cut or something.
Cause it was like, just like that in the beginning, right?
No, I think it was that it was like that the whole time.
Yeah.
They had a helmet for each version.
Oh, it was different.
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It was a white one versus the dark blue one at the end.
Yeah.
But it's the same helmet pretty much.
And also I was wondering maybe if you, since you guys are more into the comic books behind
all of this stuff, well, you don't really read Marvel, so maybe it's not a good question
to ask, but like how the fuck was Sam able to pierce the Hulk's skin?
Like how the fuck did I, his wings are made of vibranium.
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Yeah.
And vibranium is strong enough to pierce the Hulk.
I thought like the only things that were strong enough to pierce the Hulk's skin are like,
like the one time you only see it happen really once in the MCU with the real Hulk and it's
that, uh, Hela's gigantic dog.
Uh, I forget what it's called and Ragnarok.
Fenris or Fenrir.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Fenris.
He punctures, um, Hulk's skin.
That's the only time it ever happens.
So I was like, damn, he's just got like vibranium and he's able to do it.
I thought you needed some like cosmic fucking super, super materials to do this shit.
No, it's in the comics.
Cause like Wolverine always fights the Hulk in the comic or he's like famous for fighting
the Hulk and he's able to like stab the shit out of Hulk because, uh, vibranium I'm pretty
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sure was invented for the MCU because they did not own the rights to adamantium because
that's all Wolverine owned by Fox.
Now that they have it, they're like, okay, they're different, but they're the exact same,
but one's stronger.
Uh, but yeah, that's always been able to pierce gamma stuff.
Oh, wait, vibranium isn't in the comics.
No, I'm pretty sure.
I mean, you guys, I might get called out, but I'm pretty certain it was invented.
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I think it is adamantium in the comics.
Yeah.
So, so no, no, I don't think so.
Cap, cap shield is vibranium in the comics.
I'm pretty sure of that.
I think so.
We'll see.
Like there's, you got it.
Maybe it's something else.
Uh, no, I could, I could have sworn.
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When I read the caps field is made of vibranium in the, in the comics.
Cause w waconda is still the capital of vibranium.
They brought vibranium to the world.
You see anything about it?
I can't find an answer.
I can't find an answer.
There's so many, God damn it.
Comics are so fucking stupid.
We should just make a short of this and one of us is just going to be like, fucking idiot.
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Vibranium was created by Marvel comics in 1966, first appearing in daredevil number
13.
I thought it was created.
Only shrouded in mystery, the fictional metal was flushed out across various comic lines
over the next few years.
Vibranium is actually an alien metal that crashed earth.
Hence it's fantastical properties.
Oh, okay.
Nevermind.
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Okay.
So his shield is vibranium metal alloy.
It's just like, it's like adamantium white basically, you know, that's kind of the only
difference I thought.
I mean, I don't know.
I thought there were some things that you could say were good about this movie.
I mean, however dumb the premise is of a celestial coming out.
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And I mean, you know, I should rephrase that because I don't think it's on the face of
it dumb to have a celestial.
Like I think the celestials are actually pretty cool, mostly because I have megalophobia and
I just like, I like looking at giant fucking things.
The visuals are cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because it scares me, but it's also kind of exciting to see a giant fucking like, I don't
even know.
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It's like a space being.
Yeah, 10,000 mile high space God that like creates earth or whatever.
Did any of you guys watch Eternals?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like I liked some of that stuff in the, in the Eternals actually.
I thought, I thought the con that whole, the whole comp, like the moral conflict in the
Eternals was pretty cool.
Like do you save earth, which had their, their whole conflict was like earth is kind of special
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because they were able to defeat Thanos and bring people back and all that stuff.
But at the same time, if you let the celestial grow, that means, well, you know, earth will
be destroyed, but the celestial will then create, you know, hundreds of thousands of
other planets that have intelligent life on them so they can thrive instead.
So by basically like freezing a celestial, you prevent all that life from being created
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in the universe, which I thought was actually kind of an interesting premise in a sort of
stupid movie, but I don't know.
The Eternals is one of those things where like, I don't know how it failed.
Like I feel like it was, I almost had everything going for it.
It had a solid director, had a pretty fucking sick cast.
Like I don't, like, I don't know how it failed.
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Like it was almost good.
It had terrible Rotten Tomatoes scores, bad reviews.
The movie sucked.
I'm just, I'm just saying like, how did it, like, I don't think it should have sucked.
Like they had everything going for them.
I think word of mouth is a big deal.
Like people, people will probably, I mean, you know, Captain America is doing well right
now despite probably some bad word of mouth because it's a recognizable character, you
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know.
Captain America, regardless of who's playing it, people are going to be like sort of interested
in how Marvel is, is, you know, continuing to pass the torch with that character.
But the Eternals and even Guardians of the Galaxy, like if Guardians of the Galaxy came
out and had a 40 and 2813 and had a 48 Rotten Tomatoes score and no one was really talking
about it, it would have failed too, I think, you know.
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I don't think so.
I mean, I don't think the word of mouth would have been bad if that movie sucked though.
I'm just saying, I'm just saying hypothetically, if it had the same word of mouth, if it had
the same critics scores, like, I think, I think that stuff does matter.
You don't think so?
I think the movie just wasn't good.
I think that's the problem.
I think that's why the word of mouth was bad.
Yeah, I'm saying, imagine, like, imagine Guardians wasn't good.
Like Guardians only became a phenomenon because it was so exceptional, you know.
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Being an unrecognized character, you have to like, actually make a solid movie.
I agree with you.
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
But my whole thing with Captain America is like trying to insert that extremely, you
know, admittedly fucking goofy fucking comic book stuff into this more Winter Soldier grounded
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somewhat.
I mean, they're trying to say something about politics.
I don't fucking know what it is.
I mean, is it that Trump is actually a Hulk man?
I don't know, like, what the fuck is the most unbelievable thing is that the president who
is clearly a bad person can learn and grow from his actions.
Yeah, yeah, the directors are just imagining Trump being in the raft at the end.
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Like, I'm glad you're going from your mistakes, Mr. Trump.
I'm going to stay in president.
I'm going to stay in the prison now.
I have one question, though.
This this this I thought about this earlier and I was talking about it in the discord
a little bit.
Do you all think that the nanobot shit has like kind of ruined Marvel a little bit?
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Oh, the nanotech?
Like, like visually, it's kind of ruined Marvel.
I think it's really it's it's very much that assembly line thing where it's like they go,
well, we can do the helmet effect where you just the helmet evaporates and then the helmets
back on now.
And it's like that purple hue to it.
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It's very uninteresting.
They don't ever do anything interesting in the story or the action using it.
Like in this point, he gets his helmet pulled off and breaks.
But I'm like, you could have just had him wear a real helmet that gets pulled off.
And I just I don't know.
It looks so visually interesting.
And it just lets them it lets them not have to use practical for anything.
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And it like it just makes makes everybody be a lot more lazy.
I mean, I might get corrected on this, but I'm pretty positive all of that shit started
because Robert Downey Jr. was tired of wearing anything.
It was like just fucking our pair of sunglasses that turns into the Iron Man suit, you know?
And then they're like, why don't we just do this for every character?
You know?
Yeah, I just don't like that.
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They gave every like that's fine for Iron Man, because also Iron Man is kind of a lazy
asshole.
Yeah, sure.
Give him the lazy nanotech.
But why is like Ant-Man?
Why is literally all the Avengers in Spider-Man so lame, bro?
I hate like he doesn't pull off his mask.
I hate it so much, dude.
I think like because that's like the whole thing.
Like Spider-Man is like like we were talking about the other day, like Spider-Man is kind
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of like the every man, right?
Like I don't like that.
He just fucking has a suit that miraculously comes on as made fully out of metal.
It looks fucking stupid.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
I guess I don't hate it as much as you guys do.
I definitely do miss the practical helmets and stuff.
I can see why why they do it.
But definitely it's not something that like really irks me that much, I guess.
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And everything doesn't have to be so futurey to like like even like in the like in this
movie and the president's like speech, he's like looking at all these holograms everywhere,
pointing shit out.
And it's like, why?
Like, you can just be modern time.
You can just be now.
Well, you have to remember that the everything that's happening in the MCU is taking place
in 2030.
It's all five years ahead of us.
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Remember that?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I guess Avengers Endgame was a five jump.
Well, no, that would have been what 2024 because it was came out in 2019.
So yeah, but assuming that assuming that every MCU, I mean, the way I'm doing it is that
like you have to assume that every MCU movie that is supposed to be present day is coming
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out five years after the year that the movie drops.
No, like that.
That seems like it makes sense.
But I don't know.
Their timeline is all fucked up at this point.
I just can't introduce time travel.
It's going to be so.
I just think visually, it's like the Marvel movies have lost a lot of their charm.
Like the Iron Man like still felt very like grounded and there were a lot of real elements
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to it.
And even some of like the early Marvel movies, they were the same way.
But like, it just all feels so like just too shiny and like, I don't know.
Uninteresting lackluster.
I mean, my favorite sequence in the movie was the air fight around the celestial.
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I thought that was pretty cool.
That was a pretty cool like dog fight in the air.
Did you guys like that at all?
Yeah, the concept was fine, but it just it never felt to me like anything.
They never felt like there were stakes.
And I was like, oh, are they going to kill his little sidekick or not?
Well, they're going to know he's going to get hurt.
And then, okay, he won.
I don't know.
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I was like, I was never invested in it.
It all just felt like I'm watching the computer.
I can't I genuinely I don't think I could say a single scene in the movie that I was
like, oh, that's really good.
I think Harrison Ford, the Red Hulk, looked very visually impressive.
Yeah, I agree.
I don't think the scene was good, but I think it was a good job making it look like the
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Hulk and Harrison Ford.
And I think they did a good job with that.
That actually was no effects.
They just asked Harrison Ford about Star Wars and he turned into that.
I think the Red Harrison Ford's Red Hulk looks more like the actual Harrison Ford than Mark
Ruffalo's Green Hulk.
You guys agree with that?
Yeah, actually, kind of.
Like I think are you talking about like Professor Hulk or like the old Hulk?
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Just like any of us.
I try I try to look for Mark Ruffalo's face in the Hulk and I don't really see it in Professor
Hulk.
I definitely see it.
But in his regular, I don't see it as much in the normal Hulk.
Yeah, he's like a big baby face.
An Ang Lee's Hulk, man.
That was a baby face.
You guys know about the horny for the horny for Hulk movement?
What?
No, do I want to know?
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Is it his big green cucumber that people want to see or something?
I mean, I think it started after Endgame when he was like wearing white beaters and stuff.
Like people were like, oh, I actually kind of want to fuck the Hulk, dude.
Well they have it.
You don't know about this?
They can figure something out, I guess.
This is the first time hearing about it.
Where are you perusing the internet, sir?
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I mean, that's just Twitter, bro.
This stuff goes on.
I mean, there was a thirsty for Thanos movement as well.
Well that makes sense.
Yeah, I found that makes more sense than horny for Hulk.
Have you seen that chin, man?
I think we've all seen that Thanos picture.
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It's all good.
So another Marvel related thing that I wanted to get on our podcast was this has been an
argument that me and Nick have been having since I've known him basically.
Nick basically thinks anyone who likes Marvel movies is stupid.
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And it angers me, not only because I like Marvel movies.
So I think I personally feel offended because you're calling me stupid by extension.
But I just think it's an objectively, like you can empirically prove that it's wrong
by just pointing to a smart guy that likes Marvel.
There are a lot of them out there.
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And I don't think it's like a helpful way to categorize fans of things or to analyze
this type of media.
So I mean, maybe I'm mischaracterizing your take, but that's how I have.
Let's hear your perspective, Nick.
I think that if the majority of what you watch is superhero stuff, then then yeah, I don't
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have much.
I don't take much.
I'm not going to take much out of your like film opinions.
I like kind of automatically kind of disregard them if your main interest is watching superhero
movies and not other films as well.
That's more what I'm saying.
If I'm sitting here talking shit about a Marvel movie that I think is objectively bad, and
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somebody's like, no, it's fucking sick because without actually having any kind of like real
like input about why the movie is good, other than it's sick, it's a Marvel movie, then
yeah, I just I don't think that that's a very smart person in regards to film to talk to.
So is that you're saying they're not smart in regards to to film, not just like generally
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specifically film?
Is that what you're referencing?
Yes, I think film opinions.
Correct.
I think they're they're not very intelligent in terms of like what they know about film.
Yes, I just I want I want to alert Ethan and everyone listening.
This is this is a watering down of the take.
The original take was Marvel fans are stupid.
And you can put that there are times that the blanket Nick says this in his videos.
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And dude, for anyone listening, Nick made a video.
What was that?
What was the topic of the video again?
Nick, it was on the hitman.
It was on the hitman hitman DC within the frame.
He's talking about like comic book adaptations.
And within the first fucking like 10 seconds, he's like, yeah, I know, like most Marvel
fans are just fucking stupid as morons who want to watch flashing lights on a screen
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or whatever.
I OK, I think maybe OK, maybe maybe I think they're dumb.
I don't know, dude.
It's not like I would like hate them.
But like, yeah, if like your main source of enjoyment is just fucking watching fucking
Avengers movies and yeah, I probably think you're a little dumb, you know.
I think this is more of an issue, like, for example, if if I hear the statement from someone
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like they go, man, all movies today just aren't as good as they used to be, then I think they
just watch Hollywood shit.
And I mean, in the majority of that stuff is superhero content at this point.
But I don't know, I think it's like if all you're watching is Marvel and then you come
out and you go, God, Parasite was so stupid.
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I didn't get it or the substance was so weird.
I don't get it.
Then.
But yeah, I might be a little.
But you also have to keep in mind, like whenever whenever somebody thinks somebody is or says
somebody is stupid, right?
Like you're only judging it based on the things that you're actually like intelligent and
right.
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Like I could I could meet somebody who's like super fucking intelligent, knows all kinds
of fucking math equation equations and shit.
And to me, I'm fucked to them.
I'm fucking retarded.
Right.
But like, that's a no nothing.
Whatever.
If they if they if they know they like if they don't know anything about movies to me,
then I think they're dumb.
You know, it's all objective.
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It's all dependent on like what you know about.
So somebody doesn't watch movies.
They're dumb, Nick.
No, I mean, you have to like at the end of the day, like film is an art form.
But if you consider the way it's consumed by people, it's entertainment.
It's like an entertainment diet.
What kind of movies you watch has nothing to do with someone's intelligence, like literally
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nothing to the kind of entertainment they watch.
I seriously doubt says anything about their intelligence because some people who work
really high, like extremely stressful jobs, even like important jobs, they get home and
they're like, I just had a really fucking stressful day.
Maybe they're a doctor.
Maybe they're a lawyer.
They just want to.
They'll watch like reality TV shows when they get home or Marvel movies.
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And that that says absolutely nothing about their intelligence.
You know, it's that's what they choose to watch when they're winding down at the end
of the day.
You know, I don't think it's says nothing like my whole point is somebody could think
I'm really, really stupid because I don't know a lot about what they know about.
That's fine.
So you're basically saying you're like, I will not respect the opinion of someone who
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is uninformed on the topic.
Yes.
If somebody if somebody has like a Marvel movie and their top five movies, then I'm
not going to take their film criticism seriously.
I'm not going to lose using dumb as a catch all term.
That's the problem here when he means uninformed or they don't watch.
I don't mean I don't mean they're like, I don't mean they're like literally sitting
there drooling and like like can't fucking put that's the way baby.
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They don't know how to put the frosting on their fucking toaster strudel.
I don't mean that, bro.
That's it's hard.
What?
All right.
So you said that if a Marvel movie was in their top five, what if it was, you know,
end game at number five or something and then four of your favorite movies past that, would
you still be like, you're a fucking idiot?
Like I would ask them why.
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I mean, who knows why?
Maybe they just really loved end game and things.
That's why I think it's a great movie.
I'd be like, why that over the various movies that like have a lot more to say than end
game.
Okay.
Well, I mean, this is honestly, it all comes down to personal connection to film and art
that chives with you or makes you feel good.
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I just wanted to say publicly that I feel like this whole it's not just you.
I think it's a lot of people who do this.
They're just like, oh, the people who like X are fucking stupid.
I just I don't think it's helpful.
And I think it's like, I think a lot of it false.
It's just the it's a wrong thing.
I can 100% see where you're coming from.
I can 100% see where you're coming from.
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The biggest thing is I think we went through a very long phase of where people were very,
very blind in their love for Marvel shit.
And I think that now that like people are starting to look at it more objectively and
see the flaws in it at times when there are flaws, like I feel more comfortable actually
saying the shit that I want to say instead of having just circular arguments where somebody
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is saying, no, it's great because it's awesome.
It's like that's not that's that doesn't make any sense.
Like it's great because it's awesome.
What like name something good about the movie.
Tell me why you like it.
Why did you like something out of it?
Many times on like Reddit and fucking Twitter when I use them actively.
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Yes, I had many arguments.
There are people I know like my wife reads a lot of books and she I've kind of corrupted
her into being very analytical on stuff like this.
So she'll read a really terrible book that's super popular that like her friends will ask
her to read and then she'll start to be like, well, they're like, you didn't like it.
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And she tells them she starts going into detail and the things that she really didn't like
and why it doesn't work.
And they start going like, nope, nevermind.
I don't want to hear it because you're going to ruin it for me because there are people
that will just they just want to take it in and go, well, that was nice moving on.
I don't want to be ruined of this memory.
I don't want to get tarnished by your assholery.
No, and I get that too.
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Like I'll ruin movies for people too.
And I just feel kind of bad about it.
No, just just because like they like get out there like a lot.
They're like smiling after we get out of the theater.
And I'm just like, like, what do you think?
I'm like, oh, yeah, I mean, there's because that's the way that most people interact with
media, though.
They just like they take an end.
Maybe maybe if they don't like it, they're just like, ah, that wasn't for me.
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And it doesn't really go beyond that.
But most I mean, most people don't start a podcast that do what we're doing.
You know, this is this is kind of what we do.
And we're a bunch of leaders.
To say those people are less intelligent or something for for not digging into movies
in the same way that we do.
I think it's just wrong.
I don't know.
I don't know about that.
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But I do I do think that I see my own.
Like I watch stupid things.
I watch things that are bad objectively.
And I think I think the fact that I know they're bad objectively, yet I still enjoy them is
the difference.
And I think that if people could just be like, I see the flaws in these Marvel movies, but
I grew up reading these comics.
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I really love these characters.
So honestly, I don't really care that they're bad.
If somebody told me that, I would be like, OK, that's completely understandable.
But nobody says that.
Yeah, I mean, but you can just infer that's like pretty much what they mean.
They're like, I don't know.
I liked it.
I don't really have to go into detail about it.
Go play on your fucking movie podcast.
You dweeb.
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Yes.
I have a question.
I have a question for you, Coulter, Nick.
How do you feel about Mr. Marty Sparsezzi and Marvel movies and his whole controversy?
I mean, I agree with him largely.
I mean, I don't really see Marvel movies as being on the same level as the stuff, for
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example, the stuff he makes.
I think his his analogy of calling them theme park rides is pretty apt.
I think that makes sense.
But at the same time, I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with with a movie
feeling like a theme park ride.
Like movies can't movies can be anything, you know, as we've covered that on this podcast
a lot.
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So, I mean, if a movie isn't as interested and like exploring the depths of human emotion
and connection and stuff like that, it's more interested in spectacle.
I don't think there's anything at the core wrong with that at all.
So I feel like it's but do you feel like it's like a like bad for the culture of film as
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a whole, though?
Well, yeah, that's that's that's the issue I was going to bring up.
It's like when especially back in like the late 2010s when Marvel was was so ubiquitous
and they were like, it was like an empire.
It was, you know, and there was Disney.
You guys remember those reports of like Disney pushing out smaller films out of multiplexes
and stuff when they're like force awakens?
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Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it was like hatefully got pushed out.
Yeah, it's like same the same kind of same kind of thing.
And they were monopolizing the film industry.
But I mean, they're not really that way at this point right now.
I mean, Marvel movies can can can flop now.
Not everyone, every one of them makes over a billion dollars.
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And that's more kind of their own failings than anything else, I think.
But you know, things rise and fall, you know, genres come in and out of style and everything.
I think I did I did definitely have a problem with it.
Conceptually, when when Marvel was completely taking over the entire film industry and every
movie by extension had to kind of inject that Marvel humor into it, which is something that
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we've all noticed, you know, that's what we have like characters and shit and fucking
every movie is a spectacle like that.
That was an issue to me.
Yeah, but it's not just Marvel now.
And now it's every other franchise to like Jurassic fucking Jurassic World, the DC show.
Everything has to tie together.
Annoying humor.
And it's like, like, I think I personally think that Marty's like statement was more
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from a place of being a lover of film rather than being a hater of Marvel.
Like I think that he grew up because I think that he he loves going to see movies and he
loves seeing movies that are great coming out.
And I think he's just was seeing less of them.
And that's where it kind of came from.
You know?
Yeah.
And I think people took up so much space in the industry that people either had to try
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to emulate them or just fucking not get a get a seat at the table anymore, which was
that make a movie with, you know, make a movie with one tenth of the budget they used to
have.
Yeah.
But I mean, I don't know.
Great movies are still coming out all the time.
And we talk about them, you know, maybe they don't get as many eyes on them as as they
did before things like Marvel kind of monopolize the at least the theater industry, because
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now it feels like people watch really good movies at home and really dumb big movies
in the theaters.
You know?
Yeah.
Personally, that's what I do.
I'm like one of those people.
I like watch a really good movie at home or and then like when I want to see something
really that has a lot of spectacle, I'll go see it on the big screen.
There are exceptions that obviously like I'll go see a lot of good stuff at the art house
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theater up the street from me and shit.
But yeah, we've talked about it before, though.
But like, yeah, there's still good movies being made.
But I still think there's a whole like range of films that just kind of don't exist anymore.
Like those mid budget movies.
Yeah.
Mid budgets dead, essentially, at this point.
And I think there's there's probably millions and millions of fucking not literally, but
like a ton of good scripts out there that like like The Matrix or something like that,
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that could be being made instead of some of these fucking movies that just aren't, you
know, we're probably missing out on a lot of fucking good movies because of this.
Which leads us to When Harry Met Sally, which is which is an amazing mid budget movie from
1989 directed by Rob Reiner.
So why'd you why'd you recommend this, Sir Nick?
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I recommended this because we you know, we had the idea of taking taking the month of
February to to discuss romance films like rom coms and anything involving love.
And for me, I'm not a big fan of these kinds of movies generally, like, except, you know,
except like Her and Lawson translation, shit like that.
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I like those movies a lot.
But whenever I think of romance movies, the connotation for me is rom coms.
And I don't necessarily love that genre as much.
But When Harry Met Sally is like the shining pearl of the rom com genre for me throughout
all of film history.
I think it's it's an incredible movie.
Like I watched it for the first time a couple of years ago and I was wowed by it.
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And then I was watched.
I watched it again last night and just reminded me how just how beautifully written that movie
is like it's it's so incredibly tight.
The script is amazing.
The characters are amazing.
The performances are amazing.
I couldn't love it more, honestly.
I think it's it's a perfect movie.
What did you guys think of it?
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It's mid.
No, no, I I really like this.
I didn't know anything about it going in.
Besides it was Rob Reiner, who also did Princess Bride after this, I think.
I think so.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've always heard this film and this was very much a like a you hear the lines come
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on and you're like, oh, that's that's where that's from.
Interesting.
Like the I'll have what she's having, which is constantly referenced all throughout pop
culture.
Yeah.
No, I really like this.
I really liked the the chemistry that two leads had.
I will say, though, that Meg Ryan is way out of his league, though.
That was the most unbelievable part.
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That's not true, bro.
He's so charismatic and that's all that matters.
Sure.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
It could go either way.
He's yeah, he's he's very he's very charismatic.
And you know, like he admittedly doesn't really feel like a real person, you know, but it
doesn't even matter because he's just such a beautifully written character that like
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you never you're never going to meet anyone that's that witty in real life, you know,
who knows the perfect thing to say at every moment.
And generally, like I can get I can get kind of annoyed with scripts that that are that
it's not it's not that this this movie is like overly the dialogue is overly ornate
or something like something like succession.
It can be at times.
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But it's it's just the film.
The film just like moves so so perfectly from from each time jump where you you get like
every every time jump builds on an aspect of their relationship.
And it's all leading towards this realization that the entire time they were perfect for
each other, even though they couldn't see it themselves and everyone else around could.
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But I mean, did you you've seen it before, right?
I'd watched it previously on like cable like years ago, and I actually sat down and like
fully watched it finally.
I I liked it.
And I do agree that the writing is really, really solid.
I mean, really, the only thing that like kind of bugged me about it is just it was almost
like overly will they won't they to like the extent of like just kind of being fucking
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annoying.
But there were like a lot of things that I did like about it that kind of outshined that
annoyance, you know, like I really like what they did with like how minimal they kept the
music in it.
Like like a large portion of the music is their movie is just like them talking with
no music and it like works somehow, even though it realistically shouldn't because they're
both very engaging.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
I think yeah, I think the dialogue was all super, super solid.
I think we don't really kind of I think movies nowadays are like afraid to make the characters
talk because they're almost afraid of it being cheesy.
But it's just people are can't write good dialogue anymore.
So it's really I don't know, it's kind of a breath of fresh air.
But it was like a I was just like, I think they they made them won't too many times during
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the movie.
I was just like, Oh, my fucking God.
I don't care.
I don't care.
On the stick.
Yeah, that's definitely a criticism you can make.
It's like if if you met these two people in real life, I mean, like Carrie Fisher and
the writer character who she gets with eventually, we're saying it's like you guys are obviously
fucking meant to be together, but they won't see it.
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And probably the reason they won't see it is because it's a fucking movie and you need
to get them together at the end of the conflict.
Yeah.
Like why why would Billy Crystal be like, Oh, you know, this you're the first woman
that I've ever been I've ever just wanted to say like you're the first attractive woman
that I've ever actually wanted to have sex with or be in a relationship with or whatever.
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But it's like you I mean, from the moment you met her, you were clearly attracted to
her.
You told her so, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I can I can definitely see that criticism.
But I don't know, there's just so many real moments of this movie.
There's so many deeply hilarious moments of this movie.
Like remember on the on the airplane, I was laughing so loud when it's just like a stupid
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little thing, but like the guy sitting next to Meg Ryan, when Billy Crystal like pops
his head over the knee starts talking to her and the guy and the guy just like he sees
the connection between them and he starts smiling and he's like, do you want to like
switch seats?
Like I don't know.
That was such a perfect moment to me.
Just this like basically glorified extra character being he like sees what the audience sees
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too.
The other thing that you know, there is there is one thing that I noticed in this movie
that was that was really cool from from the first car ride when you remember he's like
he's chewing the grapes and spitting them out out of the out of the car window onto
the window.
Yeah.
Like the first one goes on to the window and then and then he like he he punctuates his
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lines most most of the time.
It's either like a joke or something that he says that kind of leaves her gobsmacked
she doesn't know what to say to like spit a grape out after that.
But that that trend of like some some kind of physical action punctuating the dialogue
continues throughout the movie like the there's that and then there's the moment the scene
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when she's crying after her ex gets married she's like throwing the tissues up in the
air she'll blow her nose and throw the tissues up in the air.
And it's just like like Nick said that that kind of physical comedy doesn't really exist
that much anymore in movies.
And I appreciate that so much.
It was like this is.
It's also like that like he made fun of how picky she was the entire movie and then like
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at the end when they finally get their interview he's like saying it like it's a good thing
that she's like oh I always loved how cute she was when she was so picky and yeah.
Yeah.
I am I also really like it was because the dialogue and everything.
Yeah it's very very quicky it's very snappy but it never felt forced to me and I think
it's only accentuated with some of the edits.
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I think some of the editing was really good particularly the scene where they both call
Carrie Fisher and the writer character while they're both in bed and like I was I was in
my head just like damn how did they like which what order did they film this to like get
the timing down right because it looked really complicated.
Yeah.
Just jumping back.
They would have just they would have just had them off screen saying their line.
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That's true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I thought that I was just like wow it was really impressive and it was just super
engaging.
It's really good.
It's so cool like it's it's it's disoriented but it's also coherent like you understand
what each side is saying while they're basically talking over each other which is I would imagine
a really hard thing to accomplish in the edit but they fucking pulled it off so well.
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Yeah and I was looking up I was looking up the movie a little bit it was it was the DP
was Barry Senninfeld who did like Men in Black the Tick get shorty the Adams Family movies
and then he or he directed them and then he also DP blood simple and Raising Arizona.
So he's a good director in his own right movie too.
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And Misery.
Oh yeah.
The Men in Black movies are great so I mean he definitely has some visual style.
Yeah there's I mean the the shots of them walking in I guess maybe it's probably Central
Park and in the fall they're so beautiful like I that's that's the scene that that sticks
out to me when I when I think about this movie like makes me want to watch it during like
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the transition to also the big giving Christmas the big wide shots in the apartment to look
really nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean it's really like a sponsor captures the the the loneliness of of being single
and in your 30s I mean it captures the like the the feeling of it's kind of funny because
it's clear that when he picks her up in the beginning they're like 35 year old 21 year
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olds you know it's kind of what we were talking about.
That's that's a movie is I love that and also his like his droop his Jufro comes out of nowhere
he's like has normal hair for like half the movie and then it's just curled up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like whenever they give them like the bangs to make them look younger and they're like
look I'm I'm a 21 year old now.
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Yeah and the hair the hair kind of corresponds to whatever the decades like she has very
80s hair for a while too and everything.
But I mean it captures like the way the way they talk to each other in college is so much
different than than the and you know the things they're talking about are so much different
in the first car ride as opposed to when they're in there.
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I guess like they end in their early 30s probably I think.
I think she's like 30.
Yeah something like 33 32.
Yeah because she's like I'm 30.
She's like I'm gonna be 40 and he's like you're 32 and I don't think there were any time jumps
after that.
So I'm pretty sure she they end the movie.
There was a time jump to New Year's.
Yeah there was a one year jump I think.
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Okay well yeah yeah my point is it's like he's so much more forward in the car.
He's being like a kind of suave douchebag you know saying saying things that totally
out of pocket but then by his 30s he's like much more of an emotionally mature person
and so is she.
Yeah I think it showed that he changed a lot through his divorce or whatever and like as
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soon as he like he's like oh shit I can't just be a cocky prick all the time.
Yeah even though he never really loses that aspect of himself.
No he just kind of learns to not be such a dick.
Yeah and that's the scene where he's Harry and Sally are both in the apartment of Carrie
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Fisher and the new guy and they're like picking out all their furniture and stuff.
That was I mean it it was kind of like a Hollywood type type of scene the way he has that giant
outburst because I don't think you know most people that are actually friends with each
other they're not going to be like just because they went through a breakup it would be a
huge dick move to be like you know you're gonna fucking break up too and all this stuff
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is going to be split up between you you're gonna have to fucking call a lawyer over this
fucking you know all that shit he said like that probably wouldn't happen in real life
but he wouldn't be my friend anymore.
Yeah like those thoughts are so real like if you're going through a breakup and you
see your friend get into a new relationship you're like a lot of times in the back of
your head you're like dude in six months or two years or whatever the fuck it is you're
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gonna be crying to me you know like you think about that stuff I really enjoyed that too.
And you asked me earlier if it was a if I thought this was like a man or a woman like
romance movie like is it more focus on what we talked about last week.
I do I do feel like it was it's more of like a woman's romance movie though if I'm being
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real.
You think so?
I think it's a bad thing.
I think it's pretty evenly split.
Yeah I feel I feel pretty evenly split because I don't think they really I don't really think
they put much focus into how he like what he was feeling or what he got out of the relationship
he just wanted to be with her like it was just kind of like his innate nature to want
to be with her whereas like and it had a lot of like big gestures from him especially towards
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the end to try and like show her how much he cares about her and stuff but they didn't
really focus on like why he wanted to be with her you know.
I mean I think you don't need to spell it out why he needs to be with her I mean they
have so much chemistry you know.
I like I was watching this my girlfriend I was like did they ever date in real life because
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if they didn't it would surprise me because I feel like they should have dated because
you know they're acting of course but it's like when you see two people like that that
work together so well it would probably work in real life too you know.
I mean I don't know do you guys agree with that?
I could see that and it's also very common for a lot of actors to end up dating when
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they play characters that are romantically involved.
Especially when Spider-Man is involved do you guys know about that?
Oh man except for Shamique Moore he's the only one that can't.
Yeah because it was Toby McGuire and Chris Kirstendunst then Andrew Garfield and Emma
Stone Tom Holland and Zendaya it's fucking crazy what about the Miles Morales kid is
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he gonna date Haley Steinfeld?
Oh no no that's the thing is he is apparently there's he's a kind of a weirdo and he keeps
complaining that he isn't dating Haley Steinfeld.
Are you talking about the animated actor?
Really?
I think so.
There's a bunch of stuff into it.
Well and then he also the the girl from Spider-Man Homecoming you know the love interest that's
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not Zendaya Liz Allen she apparently has had like she's like he's a freaking weirdo and
he needs to stop messaging me I'm getting married and he's being a weirdo creep.
So he's an otaku.
Like Haley Steinfeld mentioned that she was getting like she made an announcement that
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she was getting married and Shamique Moore tweeted like 30 minutes later some oh it was
so funny what was it oh uh oh wait shit oh man I can't find it but it was just like something
about like make sure we just always pray and hope for a better tomorrow or something like
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that or like we're gonna get our chance or something like that.
That's so weird but um but yeah I mean going back to the movie I just think Harry when
Harry Met Sally it's not the first romantic comedy obviously but I feel like every romantic
comedy after that had to contend with just the lightning in the bottle that that is this
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movie and basically all of them fail to achieve that because I really think this is a special
movie I mean I was showing you guys that before like the writer's guild of America or whatever
there's definitely some other shows that was like the 40th best screenplay of all time
which I would totally agree with you know I think it definitely is truly solid.
I think this era of films was also just like a really good time for like solid writing
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too like like this movie like Groundhog Day like there's there's a handful of scripts
that I like return to and read over and over because they're just the dialogue is just
so well handled.
Yeah it's just it's it's like that kind of dialogue that like it doesn't necessarily
make you laugh out loud because it's so funny it just makes you laugh because it's so clever
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and impressive that you're just like like how did they think of that like the just perfect
fucking thing to say you know I just I loved watching movies like that but I mean what
would you guys rate this one?
I'm I'm I'm gonna do it's like a high eight for me that's what that's where I'm sitting
eight out of ten.
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So real good.
I think I'm like an eight too.
I'm guessing you're a ten Nick.
Um I don't know it's hard it's hard to say it's a ten just because as I said like this
isn't my favorite genre of film but for like if I'm just gonna judge it based on what it's
trying to do where it sits in the history of its own genre and film as a whole yeah
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I think it's a it's a ten out of ten romantic comedy for fucking sure yeah I've never seen
a better one so I would I would definitely say ten out of ten and then um I don't know
I mean we're gonna have to get you on some other romantic comedies bro there's some other
good ones out there bro promise.
I mean I seriously doubt I'm gonna see one that's better than this.
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I think I like Crazy Stupid Love.
Climax it's really good.
I think I like Crazy Stupid Love more than this movie.
Dude I actually what?
Crazy Stupid Love is better than this?
I do not think it's that.
I think I enjoyed it more.
I saw that when I was like 11 and I knew that.
You're like dude I gotta get you on to some fucking some good shit and you say Crazy Stupid
Love.
Well there's other ones too but I also like Bad Romantic Comedy.
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Punch Drunk Love is really good that's not necessarily a bad one.
That's not a romantic comedy though.
Bro I gotta get you on The Room that one's a really great love story.
Oh man.
I uh there's other I mean I like bad ones though.
I like a lot of the Matthew McConaughey ones from back in the day.
What's that one with him in uh.
Oh when he was constantly doing rom coms.
What's that one with him in Matthew Broderick's Wife.
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Oh I thought you said the rom com between him and Matthew Broderick.
I don't know dude he did so many of them.
Like McConaughey's career is very interesting.
The way he was able to dig himself out of that hole of just being a romantic comedy
lead where so many of those actors get pigeonholed in that kind of field and he was I think it
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was a true detective that he got that was able to make people casting directors see
him in a different light.
There was a it was Killer or uh fuck what's it called.
It's like Killer.
No not Mud.
Not Mud.
There's another one that's like a low budget movie.
It was like an NC 17 movie that he made Killer Joe.
I think that's what it's called.
But that one was like.
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He was in Mud too right.
He was in Mud.
When Killer Joe was first I think that was like where people were like oh maybe he can
be a dramatic actor.
Yeah.
I looked up rom coms from with Matthew McConaughey and it's Failure to Launch, How to Lose a
Guy in 10 Days, Ghost of Girlfriend's Past, Fool's Gold, The Wedding Planner, Tiptoes,
EdTV, My Boyfriend's Back and Magic Mike.
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So that's a lot.
Yeah.
Y'all should check out Killer Joe if y'all have time.
It's a pretty good movie.
I was actually reading something about Christopher Nolan was saying that McConaughey like he
had to fight to get McConaughey and Interstellar, the you know I guess studio execs were like
we just do not see him in a movie like holding it together in a movie this big just because
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I guess he hadn't really proven himself at that point as a dramatic lead.
But Christopher Nolan was obviously proven right because McConaughey even to this day
is like still one of the most in demand leading leading men I think.
You know he's so good in Interstellar as well.
Yeah.
He's so good in like everything that he actually like is taking seriously.
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I mean I guess it's like to make that jump though it takes a lot.
It must have been really difficult because I feel like once audiences see you that way
especially you know especially men like men would just see McConaughey I did until I started
seeing a mature detective.
I was like this guy is just like a you know heartthrob.
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Not necessarily talentless but not one that I would take seriously as a dramatic lead.
I think they have to take the indie route like similar with Robert Pattinson taking
a good time.
So like the indie route's the safer route because you're not necessarily going to be
pigeonholed as like a TV actor.
You can also go the TV route but it's like more dangerous because you might get stuck
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there you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pattinson's another great example of someone who did the same thing.
Yeah.
I think speaking of Matthew Broderick.
Matthew Broderick is kind of someone who was never really able to get out of it.
I mean he wasn't he wasn't exclusively rom-coms but that was kind of his bread and butter
and he's talking about using Godzilla.
Yeah I wouldn't say he was necessarily typecast.
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I feel like he just doesn't really act that much anymore.
Yeah he seems like a guy who doesn't really know.
He was in a lot of rom-coms dude though.
He like murdered somebody and then like got away with it.
Oh my god what?
He like ran somebody over with his car and killed him.
I remember that.
He kind of just disappeared from the world.
Alright I'm gonna retire everybody.
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I remember I saw him in like a nothing role like a nothing role in fucking Manchester
by the Sea.
Do you remember that?
He plays the Christian dad that Lucas Hedges goes to.
He has a few like really small like supporting roles like in the last like 10 years.
I remember seeing that and feeling depressed.
I was like they could have easily just given this to any guy that just tried out for this
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role and now now Broderick has fallen so low in his career that he's taking this kind of
shit.
It was like it's kind of sad.
Also Lucas Hedges I was I was reading this Reddit thread that was kind of interesting
the other day about like what the fuck happened to Lucas Hedges like in the late 2010s he
was he was like I guess you could say competing with Chalamet to be like the Gen Z it boy
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for that generation.
He had so many so many great supporting roles like Manchester by the Sea and Lady Bird and
then I don't know where the fuck is he now.
He just kind of stopped.
Yeah he kind of faded out in 2018-2019.
But do you guys think that's because he wasn't talented or?
I don't know.
I think he's talented enough.
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I think he just I think it's like a lot of those actors first of all he's not that cute
anymore so I feel like he's gonna have to kind of read.
Yeah Chalamet's got those those cheeks bro.
He's gonna kind of have to rebrand himself a little bit but I think um who's that guy
from uh fuck uh the weird looking dude.
Jesse Plummins.
Not Jesse Plummins.
The RV movie fucking with uh.
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Oh uh uh.
Will Poulter.
Will Poulter.
I feel like he's gonna have to pull.
Adam Orlock.
Yeah he's gonna have to pull a Will Poulter of some kind to really come back into the
mainstream.
Get super shredded or like be on a low budget TV show.
Put on some muscle and like get a tan you know.
Find a new way to be handsome because I think that was kind of what that was going for him.
Will Poulter's turning point you're not going to want to admit this but it was midsummer.
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It was.
That's a good point.
That's what made people see Will Poulter in a different light other than the uh the hanging
out with the no ragrats guy and uh and like where the miller.
That's not true.
He it was uh it was like mid maze runner.
He was he had he had.
Oh yeah he was in mole he was in maze runner I forgot about that.
He's had a lot of he's had a lot of rules.
He just kind of changed his appearance.
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He's still pretty young.
He's 32.
He was did you guys know he was supposed to be uh Pennywise and when Carrie Fukunaga was
was gonna do uh.
I would have loved to see that.
Yeah that that's I watched a lot of videos about that like um uh because there's some
information on what Carrie Fukunaga's It would have been like.
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Way more weird.
Yeah.
Yeah if I mean if True Detective is any indication of what his his style would be.
Yeah.
I'm not gonna lie I liked I liked the It movies so.
I liked It part one I did not like It part two at all.
Yeah.
Really?
Yeah I think it sucked.
I liked it.
I liked it for what it was.
It part one was solid.
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Still haters good.
Still haters always good.
The cast was never the problem.
It's always the the first one felt I think it's just the inherent issue with It as a
story is it's a lot scarier when the main characters are all children facing this horrible
monstrous clown.
That's just an issue with the concept of the whole.
Versus 30 year olds fighting a monster clown.
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Yeah.
Well I think they I think they do a lot better job in the in the books kind of showing the
regression as they age right.
Like I think that's the problem is it kind of in the movies they're just like oh they're
just adults but in like in the books they kind of do regress as they get back into Derry
you know.
The issue the issue for me about part two is that it's just so so dumb for them to be
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like super cool.
We have to do the the ritual of of chewed or whatever the fuck.
I was like what the fuck is this.
Hi.
What was what was Stephen King thinking when he wrote that like it's so it's so deeply
stupid.
I mean they literally all ran a fucking train on the little girl in the fucking book.
The book is a child gangbanging.
The book is I hate Stephen King books.
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There's not a single a single Stephen King book I've ever read that I was like this is
solid all the way through.
It's usually oh the first third of this book was really fucking sick and then the rest
of it is literally nonsense.
You know what I think I stand.
Huh.
The stand.
I like that too.
Have you read it.
Yeah I like the stand.
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Well I thought that was pretty good one.
It's good and then the last third of the book he's like literally rushing his way to the
end as fast as he possibly can to tie everything up and he doesn't know that's you know I think
his ultimate problem.
I think it would be really interesting for us to talk about because Stephen King famously
hated Stanley Kubrick's The Shining.
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Yeah because Stanley Kubrick just did not give a shit about the book accuracy and I
think it would be really fun at some point on the pod for us to discuss the Stanley Kubrick
Shining and then also watch the Stephen King directed Shining adaptation of his own.
That's a great idea yeah.
I've never seen that.
I think that'd be really funny.
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Me neither.
Do y'all have y'all seen a lot of his like first of all the movies he backs and says
are amazing that he like gives his like props to always horrible recommendations.
He has such bad taste and like anytime he's like criticizing something his criticism is
fucking stupid.
He has like the worst film takes of anybody.
Have y'all followed any of this shit?
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Yeah he dislikes The Shining.
But it's like a regular thing like he like literally blasts on Twitter whenever he likes
or hates something and it's always like the complete opposite opinion of me so I'm just
like okay.
I haven't really seen it a lot.
I'm not that familiar with his tweets but I mean don't you guys think that partially
why he might be so mad about Stanley Kubrick Shining is because it's an ego thing.
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The adaptation is so much more respected than the book.
Like anyone would be salty about that you know.
So he probably felt like he's like I'm on a fucking mission to prove that the exact
hex of my book was so much more perfect than whatever Stanley Kubrick did to fucking annihilate.
Speaking of him the monkey looks pretty good I'm not gonna lie.
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Is that a Stephen King thing?
That's Oz Perkins thanks movie.
Oh interesting.
It's like a comedy right?
A horror comedy?
Kinda.
It looks like it's the trailer.
It's the trailer.
It's the trailer.
It seems like it could be kinda funny.
I don't know.
Yeah it's interesting about the whole like him hitting the Shining thing because from
what I've read about the Cary Fukunaga version it seemed like he was going to lean in a more
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Stanley Kubrick version where he was very much going to just take it in his own weird ass
direction and kind of.
I'm pretty sure that's what's gonna happen now too.
Delineate.
You think what do you mean?
Like I feel like you mean further to the monkey?
Oh no I'm just talking about what Cary Fukunaga would have done.
Yeah for it.
Okay yeah yeah.
Yeah.
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I mean.
Because everything I've read is weird shit.
Yeah.
Maybe it would have leaned further into the space turtle shit.
Yeah that's what I was expecting.
Yeah I want some space turtles.
And there was like I read in the script there's like an upside down waterfall going into a
giant starfish in the Cary Fukunaga script and they're like what the fuck that sounds
sick as hell.
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And then it's just.
Maybe it would have been cool.
Do you remember the stupid ass ending for it part two where they're like hey you're
a stupid little baby and he's like wahhh you suck you're not even scary you little loser
and then he shrinks into a little gross.
My biggest thing is we I feel like we got two very tonally consistent movies that had
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a very distinct art style and they were just like that doesn't happen very often where
you get two movies that are pretty solid.
Yes.
So it's like yes we can we can talk in hindsight but like what are the chances of that happening
like having like two movies come out and they're both decent.
Like that's weird.
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I mean I don't even agree that that's chapter two is decent.
I think it too is bad.
I think it's a four out of ten.
I don't know if it's bad it's just it didn't really do much for me.
Honestly the first one didn't really do that much for me either.
There are moments that are good but like I don't know dude I just I think you know this
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is not a new thing to say at all but jump scares just anytime they're in a movie it
has to be has to be done in an innovative way or something.
And in it both of them it really wasn't.
And I just I can't really forgive it for that.
Yeah.
Say that that makes the entire movie bad but it it definitely once they're in there it
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has to do a lot more to impress me to make up for that fact.
And it never really did.
You know I'll say jump scares for me.
You have to I have to not even think there's a jump scare coming.
Like I have to be so invested in the story itself and be so like yeah they set them up
in the atmosphere of the film to where when a jump scare happens and it doesn't piss me
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off that's like they're succeeded.
But I feel like they're trying to avoid pissing off the audience and that's why.
But yeah I agree with you.
I think they're very because it's always you know you always know what's coming nowadays.
I think hereditary has great jump scares.
Like they're they're very just eerie and unsettling but there's never like a done.
Yeah.
Yeah that's the thing like it in hereditary the moment when when he's in the attic he's
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watching his fucking like saw her own head.
Spoilers.
Just like quickly pans to all those naked people and they just wave at him.
That was so terrifying.
And I mean technically I guess that's a jump scare.
But like to me when I think of jump scares in the classic like mainstream Hollywood sense
it needs that thing that you're talking about.
You know that stinger like you know like if it doesn't have that I don't necessarily see
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it as a jump scare.
I mean I don't know what you think it is.
That's fair.
I mean I really consider it.
It depends.
I'd say for me the scary moments in hereditary are like the moment where the son wakes up
and you just you might not even catch it but the mom in the corner of his bedroom on the
ceiling like it's like a minute long shot.
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And it's that that is the first that is one of the best shots of filling me with dread
because you're like I've been looking at this the whole time and I didn't even notice that
she was right there.
That's terrifying to me.
That's way more effect than a jump scare to me.
But I don't know I think like like there's a in the in science like M. Night Shyamalan
I think has a really good example of a jumpscare without the classic jump scare sound where
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he's walking around the cornfield Mel Gibson and he drops his flashlight and when he picks
it up he swings his light over to the corn stalks and you see the aliens like just sticking
out and he pulls it in and then at that moment all the musical the musical piano cue starts
playing and it's like and I was like oh that was a good jump scare.
There was no dumb you know.
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As long as that's not in there I'm cool with it.
I'll just say that.
That's the worst part to get out.
But I'm really curious what you all think about the first non-British actor being casted
into or first American actor being cast into Harry Potter.
I thought John Lithgall was as Dumbledore.
Oh wait no that's Yoda.
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What's he do?
Oh what's the Lithgall noise?
Lord Farquad?
No he makes like a noise.
You guys were talking about the Lithgall noise.
I was I was not aware that Lithgall had a noise.
Yeah I don't think he has a noise.
No he does.
He has a noise.
It's like it's just it sounds like a mix between Chewbacca and Yoda.
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He doesn't have a noise I don't think bro.
I gotta get up on the Lithgall noise but yeah to answer your question Nick I don't know.
I feel fine about it actually.
I mean I don't I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
He played Winston Churchill in The Crown and his British accent was really good so.
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Yeah as long as that's on point I don't really care.
It sounds like they've been reaching out to a lot of actors for the show.
I think he's an amazing actor like amazing fucking actor.
So I'm like I'm it makes me so excited for the show.
What do you all think about Black Snape?
Are you all okay with that?
I don't know the actors.
I don't care what his race is but I'm just kidding.
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I don't know much about the actor but yeah to talk about the Americans in the Harry Potter
thing I mean I guess it might be sort of a controversy because the original adaptation
in the early 2000s like they made such a concerted effort to make sure it was a British production
to make sure all the actors were British like that was very important or it's a rallying
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at the time or rolling.
I think it's actually rolling but yeah and the producers and everything.
I mean they had Christopher Columbus who was like one of the biggest Hollywood directors
at the time but it was filmed in Britain you know felt like a British production and everything.
They only cast British actors.
Well by the way to do this now to cast Dumbledore as an American guy I mean maybe it doesn't
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bode well for this new adaptation you know potentially feeling more Hollywood than the
last one.
I don't know that could be but I love Lithgow so I'm cool with it.
I will say the actor for Snape he's in a show called Gangs of London which is done by the
guy who did the the Raid movies have you all seen those?
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Gareth Edwards.
Yeah Gareth Edwards.
One of them.
But the show is really good and he's really good in it so like I don't know if anybody
is like mad about the casting he's literally they never mention his race in the books at
all like ever once.
So it's like I think it's one of those things where like it doesn't really fucking matter.
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Well the people who are mad about it they're saying that like they describe Snape's skin
is described as like pale or sallow a lot of times which is like kind of canoes white
skin but it's like I don't fucking care.
They do.
They definitely do.
I think they say they say you know his skin is sallow and stuff like that whatever but
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I don't know.
I don't I don't I don't think it matters.
I think it's one of those characters.
I feel like it's one of those characters where like it doesn't really make any impact.
You know what I mean?
No.
I think that like I always see this discussion I always think it's more interesting.
It's like if the race isn't inherently important to the character I think then you should like
I don't want to see like the meme is Ryan Gosling playing Black Panther because that
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would be very weird and not right.
But you know like you can have other characters where the race isn't important having played
by you know a mixed actor or a darker actor.
Do you remember the meme that was going around Ryan Gosling playing Obama and then Obama
by the way?
That was just now funny too.
It's just like a picture of Ryan Gosling in a suit and it just said Ryan Gosling is Obama.
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I hate that I'm that like I hate that I'm that like that millennial like the meme because
I'm so excited for the Harry Potter show.
Are you actually?
I'm actually so excited dude.
It's so embarrassing.
I'm right there with you bro.
I'm excited.
I'm surprised.
All right dude.
Ethan you're not a millennial bro.
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You don't get it.
Yeah.
Harry Potter fan.
No I'm a Harry Potter fan.
I did.
You are also shit.
It's also I read I didn't even know Gen Z Harry Potter fans exist.
I thought that was that was a slither and Gen Z.
So that's slither and disinfo bro.
Why am I such a fan of things that that terrible people make to like I'm I love Armageddon
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Army Hammer even though he's a cannibal.
I love Ezra Miller.
He's so charismatic bro.
Like even if he wasn't a cannibal and didn't like eat want to eat people's brains and stuff
he's just like such a nondescript actor.
I feel like he didn't do anything.
I think he's good.
I think he's really good.
He's in social network as that asshole.
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No he's in uh what's that one where they're stuck in the building all together?
Um uh Skyscraper with the rock.
Is it uh the James Gunn movie they uh bought what's it's like the fucking Belko experiment.
Yeah the Belko experiment is good too though but that has Ezra Miller in it.
Oh one of your other problematic faves.
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Yeah and then J.K.
Rowling I'm a huge Harry Potter fan so I just I just love all these people.
Do you like the J.P.C.C. movies?
The first one's badass.
Okay because that guy's a pedophile.
No I know.
Dude you didn't say PDF file.
Oh sorry fuck.
Censor that Nick in the edit.
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Your punishment for liking all these people is you have to censor my language.
I think people say PDAlikes too.
They're gonna ban people from.
But everybody likes Kevin Spacey.
It's like one of those R. Kelly situations where like everybody likes R. Kelly's music
but we hate him.
Everybody likes Kevin Spacey's acting but we hate him.
I was listening back to one of our episodes and I was literally just like I hope no one
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ever clips out them.
I can't deny I miss Kevin Spacey like I just said that out right.
Please don't clip this.
Don't fucking clip this.
But people are just lying if they're saying they don't though.
I mean I don't miss him but I think he's a talented actor.
I think he's a bad person allegedly but I don't want to see you know I don't want him
to thrive if he sucks.
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What you don't want to appreciate his performances.
It's not like you're gonna sit here and say Ignition's a bad song.
Dude.
We need to let this man be frank again because that fucking last season of House of Cards
sucked.
Did you guys watch it?
Yeah.
No I didn't watch it.
I watched it as a social experiment for myself dude.
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That was fucking.
They just pretended like he didn't exist.
Like the main character was a non-factor somehow.
It just like started the season and he's like oh well he's gone or dead and it doesn't actually
matter and it's like what?
The whole show is letting this man be frank and he's fucking just not in the show anymore.
It was like the beginning of the cancellation era and they didn't know how to handle it
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yet.
They were like what do we fucking do?
Yeah.
Like what the fuck do we do?
I guess we'll go with the option of literally I have to go now.
My home planet needs me.
Like they literally did the poochy shit dude.
And Kevin Spacey.
God damn it.
Alright Ethan what's your pick bro?
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Okay I'm giving you guys two options.
I'm not telling you what they are but I'm telling you are we going to pivot in the opposite
direction of cutesy romance?
You know all that shit.
I want to watch what you want us to watch.
So here's my options.
I have a foreign language film crime thriller or I have a weird existential horror mystery.
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One of them is from the early 2000s and one of them is from four years ago.
Which is which?
The one from four years ago is the horror mystery and the foreign language film is from
the early 2000s.
And they're both criterion?
I want the foreign language.
No only one of them is but I was like you know I kind of with the other one I was like
you know I want to if we talk about this one I'd be down because I've been wanting to watch
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this one.
I'm definitely down for the horror mystery.
That sounds fun.
Yeah?
I'm down for the other one but.
Oh shit.
You guys are being really helpful and being so decisive.
Thanks a lot.
Let's do it let's I'll do a two face coin flip right now where I make my own luck and
say fuck Nick we're doing this.
After hearing it I'm just going to go with the horror mystery one from four years ago.
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Well what were they both?
I want to know what they both are.
I'll tell you what the one I picked.
So we're going to watch the empty man from 2020 directed by David Pryor.
I've only heard good things about this movie or weird things about this movie and how nobody
has seen it and it was a super expensive horror movie that just completely bombed and got
no advertising.
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But now it's distributed.
I've seen it.
I love it.
You've seen it?
Oh man damn.
Okay.
What's the other one?
Well that's fine.
I'm excited to talk about that because I want to watch it.
The other one is Memories of Murder by Bong Joon Ho from 2003.
Okay.
Oh we decided on a Bong Joon Ho movie.
That's okay.
It'll be on the list.
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It's fine.
We'll get around to it.
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