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February 17, 2025 19 mins

Political changes are creating ripples in our community and personal lives, leaving many feeling overwhelmed and divided. Through personal anecdotes and reflections, we discuss navigating these challenging times by advocating for peace, community support, and the importance of embracing our shared humanity.

• Exploring the emotional aftermath of recent political changes 
• Personal stories reflecting the impact on career and family life 
• Balancing discussions about race and identity in the workplace 
• The importance of advocacy and active participation in societal change 
• Addressing the commercialization of DEI efforts and their implications 
• Highlighting the role of faith and community in maintaining peace 
• Encouragement to serve others and foster genuine connections

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, hello, hello and welcome to the Holy Human
Honest Podcast.
I am your host, jasmine BNichols, and I am so glad that
you are here with me today, soy'all listen.
Look, there has been a lotgoing on since the last podcast
that I made, okay.
So the last podcast that we hadit was right before the

(00:24):
inauguration, okay.
So since then, the UnitedStates of America has a new
president, president DonaldTrump.
Many, many things have happened,has happened.
Many, many things have has many, many things have happened
since he has come into office.
Many, many changes and peopleare feeling the effects pretty

(00:45):
immediately.
Oftentimes, when there's a newpresident, it may feel like you
don't feel the effects of it,but I think the entire world is
feeling so many effects of ournew president right now and,
regardless of how you feel aboutit, there is no denying that
there has just been a lot of youfeel about it.

(01:06):
There is no denying that therehas just been a lot of change.
There are a lot of emotions, alot of fears, a lot of people
that are happy about this change, a lot of people that are
devastated by these changes, butin the midst of it all, I think
there is so much opportunity tobegin to fret.
There is so much opportunityfor even more division.
I mean, I just think about somany things that have happened.

(01:28):
So I mean many, many executiveorders have gone through sort of
the dismantling of DEIlegislation and programming.
Federal workers.
Many have resigned from theirpositions, with remote work
being revoked from people thathad been using that privilege

(01:53):
for a really long time.
We're seeing plane crashes leftand right and people are
wondering if that has to do withsome workers you know that have
now been fired or let go.
There's just a lot.
Then y'all, I'm not even goingto get on a Super Bowl, or
should I get on that KendrickLamar's halftime performance?
As I was watching it, I justknew the next day that there

(02:16):
were going to be people thatwoke up and felt extremely proud
and like that was amazing.
That was the best Super Bowlhalftime show I've ever seen.
And then I also knew that therewere going to be people that
wake up, going to work andtalking about how confused they
were and how it was one of theworst performances ever, and it

(02:36):
really just shows how ourcountry there's just such a
divide and there's such adisconnect.
You have a disconnect betweengenerations.
You have a disconnect betweencultures and a disconnect with
what Americans really want rightnow and it's a lot.
It's a lot I'm going to talkabout how I have personally felt

(02:58):
some of these effects in mylife.
So my husband he works remotelyand with a lot of the changes
you know, as everyone else isfeeling right now, his situation
doesn't so much have to do witha change in government but at
the same time it does um, andyeah, he might have to go back

(03:24):
to work full time in person.
Now his job is located, youknow, hours and hours and miles
away from where we're locatedright now.
So that's a whole situation.
Right now, let me tell you,your girl has not been super
trusting of God in the process.

(03:46):
And well, let me not say Ihaven't been trusting God.
I think that my thing is that Itrust that God is not always
going to give me the easy wayout.
I trust that God.
You know he believes that I cando hard things and he will

(04:07):
allow us to go throughchallenges, and so it's not that
I haven't been trusting theLord.
I know that the Lord is goingto take care of me and my family
, but I think just the unknowns.
There have been many, many,many unknowns for me and my
family right now and we're stillin the middle of a lot of
transition right now, and we'restill in the middle of a lot of
transition.
We're still looking for a hometo purchase, um, you know,

(04:28):
there's just, there's just a lotum that that is happening
around us right now, and, Ithink, especially just the
topics of dei.
Now I I work in higher education, but my job is not a DEI job.

(04:51):
I wasn't a DEI hire.
However, I am seeing theeffects of these things
immediately.
Like, we have an office ofinclusion and belonging where I
work and pretty much the weekthat we had all of these
governmental changes, thatentire website went down and my

(05:12):
coworkers that work for thatdepartment.
It was really tough.
Nobody knew what was next.
A lot of my students getfederal aid, you know.
So, with things being talkedabout about the Department of
Education and things like this,it's just a lot y'all that we
like.
What's really going on, what'sreally next, and so I'm feeling

(05:36):
the effects at work on top ofthat.
Hmm, okay, I gotta be honest ontop of that, and you know
different transitions that myown home is going through and
different things that we have tothink about.
Already.
There are so many conversationsabout race relations right now

(06:00):
and being unified, and I feellike I'm constantly in the
middle of two worlds.
And so I have my white friendswho, you know, are seeing
everything, seeing everything,experiencing everything, and
then I have my black friendsthat are seeing everything and
experiencing everything and Ifeel like I am in the middle of
these worlds.

(06:21):
You know I'm I work at a placewhere I am the only black person
right now on my entire team of37 people.
Now there are other um othermarginalized people groups
represented while work in thatteam, but I'm the only black
person.
Ok, so I have found myselfbeing very, very exhausted of

(06:42):
conversations that have to dowith race, conversations that
have to do with the everythingand almost quite emotional as
well, and almost quite emotionalas well, not because I'm new to
the conversation, but it takesa different type of strength to
be the only person that is apart of your group, to be the

(07:09):
only person represented in thoseconversations, and that has
been challenging.
There's been so manyconversations at work.
I think another thing that makesthat really hard is, you know,
for me.
These conversations just theyaren't just professional
development.
This is my life, this is acommunity.
We're talking about a veryintegral part of my identity
that feels as though it isconstantly being dissected and I

(07:34):
don't actually haverelationship with these people,
okay.
And so I think that there wasjust a big part of me that
started to just really feeloverwhelmed by the weight of it
all.
And at the beginning ofeverything y'all, I'm like I'm
trusting God, like I'm just aperson where it's like I'm going
to trust the Lord.
I'm going to trust the Lord,you know, no matter what.

(07:55):
And so I was almost a littlebit, maybe even ashamed or
embarrassed to say, whoa, I'mstruggling a little bit.
There are things that arehappening so fast and moving so
quickly all around me and I'mhaving a hard time keeping up.
You know.
You mind you, I work full-time,my husband works full-time and

(08:17):
we have four children and wevolunteer with multiple
organizations, so it can be alot.
And I felt myself get into mywits end and there was one night
where I was just up all night,and that's something your girl
just don't do.
I don't stay up all nighttossing and turning and flipping
around and wondering what'sgonna happen.
I lay my head down, I pray andI trust God, and I have peaceful

(08:41):
sleep.
But these past couple weeks,y'all, I found myself tossing
and turning do you hear me?
And that's when I knew, okay,something, something is not
right here.
It's time for me to realign myfaith and trust God, and I

(09:04):
thought about one of the firstscriptures that my father ever
taught me.
I was in high school and it wasIsaiah 26 3.
You will keep in perfect peace.
All whose minds are steadfaston you because they trust in you
.
You will keep in perfect peace.
So I don't have to try to makemyself have peace.

(09:25):
I just have to focus on theLord.
I just have to keep my eyesfixed on him, and that's what
I'm just doing in this season.
Now.
Let me also say that choosingpeace does not mean choosing

(09:46):
passivity.
Okay, that does not mean beingpassive.
There is still space foradvocacy.
If you see things that youdon't like, if you see things
that just aren't right, advocate, okay.
These are the times where wecan be the peacemakers.
You don't have to just be apeacekeeper keeping the peace,
keeping the peace but this isthe time where the Bible talks

(10:08):
about the peacemakers.
We can be peacemakers, we can,we can be advocates, okay, and
so one of the things that I amdoing, you know, because these,
a lot of these policies areaffecting a lot of people, one
of the things that I'm doing isstill making sure I volunteer
with a bible study, and thisbible study is specifically

(10:29):
designed for students in theAfrican diaspora so they are
able to come and get support,get wisdom, find community.
Anybody can necessarily come,but it is specifically created
for this group, because therearen't many spaces where this

(10:51):
group can just be, not where weare, and know that they're
coming to a space where theirstruggles are spoken without
ever being spoken.
Nobody has to say a word andyou just kind of already know

(11:14):
what it is.
You can come, you can havediscourse, you can pray, you can
be encouraged, you can get theword.
So that's one of the thingsthat I'm doing Now.
With that, I'm going to share alittle bit about me.
I have never been one To expectcertain things, things from
certain entities and, if I'mtotally honest, yo, I've always

(11:39):
felt like DEI was a trend and Ialways felt like it was going to
go away someday, but thatdoesn't mean that the boots on
the ground that the peoplereally doing the work they will
never go away.
That group is never going todisappear.

(12:01):
What I more so mean is thecommercialization and big
companies backing DEI efforts.
Let me tell you something Ijust know at the end of the day,
we are part of a capitalization, okay, and the minute that it
did not seem beneficial forcompanies bottom line and it
wasn't, you know, it was goingto get in the way to their

(12:22):
dollar I knew the DE effortswere going to go away.
This is something I've said forquite a few years.
The minute I saw big companiesreally getting on board with DEI
this and DEI that, and I justkind of knew, like, because I
felt like the whole reason whythey were doing it in the first

(12:43):
place was to make money anyway,was to garner, you know, to make
it seem like they weresupporting whatever the mass
move was you started to see ahuge, you know uproar about dei
after 2020.
Okay, you started to see thatduring the black lives matter

(13:03):
movement and these differentmovements, and then it was like
everybody was like oh, this isthe trend, this is the trend,
this is the trend, let's movethat way.
And I always felt that if thetrend moves to the other
direction, companies will too.
So that does not come as asurprise to me.
But I want to encourage those ofyou out there that are

(13:24):
advocates for your particulargroup, okay, because my thing is
people will still need hope inthis season.
People are still going to needcomfort, people are still going
to need allies, people are stillgoing to need to be loved, and
this is an opportunity for thosein the body to love those that

(13:48):
Jesus loves.
And you don't even always haveto necessarily agree, you don't
even have to necessarilyunderstand in order to still
show love, to feed somebody whenthey're hungry, give somebody
that cup of water when they'rethirsty, give that bit of
encouragement, share your home,create relationship with people

(14:10):
so that you can understand wherethey're coming from.
There is so much space to do somuch good, and we don't have to
wait for people to do it for us.
What are the ways that we canhave peace, no matter which way
the tide turns?

(14:30):
No matter which way the tideturns, what are the ways that we
can bring peace and bringshalom to spaces where it might
be lacking?
And again, this is beyondpolitics, okay.
How can we love people and meetthem where they are.

(15:04):
And, again, a mature mind knowsthat you do not have to agree
with everything or understandeverything in order to show love
, in order to have compassion,to weep when people weep, to
feel what people are feeling.
Okay, I just think about God,how good he was.
To feel what people are feeling.
Okay, I just think about God,how good he was.
He may not have always agreedwith everybody's politics, but

(15:26):
he still had so much compassionOn people.
He had compassion On people.
He had compassion On people,people that were like sheep
Without a shepherd.
And so I just want to encourageyou today To have peace and

(15:47):
knowing that God is still incontrol.
God is still in control and youstill have a part to play.
What are you going to do?
What are you going to do to bea difference and to make a
difference in people's lives?
Again, regardless of yourpolitics, regardless of your
politics and I want to be veryclear right now.

(16:09):
I am not saying that I agree ordisagree with anything that is
happening right now, and I saythat very firmly because I don't
want this to be about politics.
I don't want this to be aboutwhat side I'm on and this, and
that you know whose side I'm onGod's.
You know who I have faith in todo the right thing at all times

(16:32):
.
God, you know who I have faithin to do the right thing at all
times Times.
God, you know who I believe isgoing to always have the last
word.
God, you know who I believe isgoing to make all things work
together for the good of thosethat love him and are called
according to his purpose.
God, that's it.

(16:53):
That's where my hope lies, andthat doesn't mean I just sit on
my laurels and lay on my backand expect God to just do all
the work.
I believe all the more that Ihave a part to play, to be a
conduit of justice, to be atemple of prayer and a witness

(17:21):
to what God can do.
Even when there is so muchdivision in our nation, I want
to tap into that peace thatsurpasses all politics.
There's something greater.
There's something bigger, and Itoo was beginning to really get

(17:46):
distracted, discouraged, sad,frustrated, angry.
Ooh Lord, but God is good, godis faithful, and he will keep in
perfect peace All whose mindsare steadfast on him because
they trust in him.

(18:07):
The peace comes from trust.
That is where the peace comesfrom.
So, lord, we trust you.
Lord, and look.
That is where the peace comesfrom.
So, lord, we trust you.
Lord, and love.
I believe, but help me with myunbelief, lord, in the moments
where I'm wavering, where myfaith is wavering.

(18:29):
Father, I thank you for themany ways that you come To
remind me of who you are, thatyou come to remind me of what
you said and remind me of who Iam.
And you remind me of who youare, lord, I ask that you would
help me not to be passive in mypursuit of peace, lord, that I

(18:50):
would be a peacemaker, that wewould be peacemakers and not
just try to figure out ways tokeep the peace.
Lord, give us boldness in theways that it may rub people
wrong, lord.
Truth and goodness and justiceit is so counter-cultural, lord,

(19:11):
but, lord, give us boldness tospeak your truth in love.
Lord, give us boldness to speakyour truth in love.
Keep us.
May we keep our eyes fixed onyou.
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