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Christal (00:00):
Well, I knew you
didn't have a lot of money.
That was, obvious,
Lennon (00:03):
oh, what, what, okay.
What made that obvious?
Was it.
Let's see.
Was it the fact that I hadclothes folded on a dollar store
bookshelf instead of indrawers, which I didn't own any
drawers.
Was it my mattress that was onthe floor instead of on a bed?
Say probably the mattress on
Christal (00:20):
the floor.
Lennon (00:23):
This is the Home and
Marriage Podcast with Lennon and
Christal Noland, where we helpcouples become better at home
and stronger together.
We are husband and wife,parents and ministers who want
God's best for our home and foryours.
Well, friends, welcome back tothe show.
So glad that you're with ustoday here in this late October
(00:44):
afternoon whenever we arerecording this today, and my boo
over there is sitting therewith one of her new fall pumpkin
mugs, and you look so proud.
Christal (00:55):
I told you I was gonna
get one, and yes, I did.
They're, I got a pumpkin mugand these are only $5 at Target.
Lennon (01:04):
Nice.
Christal (01:04):
But they look really
cute on our, mug tree And they
look very fallish and the kidswere all about it, and they,
they were happy too.
Lennon (01:11):
Well, I'm just looking
forward to after fall, to see
where in the world they're gonnago.
Where will they be stored?
Christal (01:17):
I will tell you Lennon
because I have a plastic
container in the garage labeledfall decor, and they will go in
there.
So we will have plenty of room.
Do not fear.
We have plenty of room for, forall of these things.
Lennon (01:32):
Okay.
Okay.
Well, hey, we just had quite aninteresting, uh, weekend.
It was a good one.
But we were apart.
Yeah, I was in Houston speakingat a friend's great church
Faith Church.
You were here holding down thehousehold with the kids and
y'all had a good time, right?
Christal (01:47):
Yeah, we did.
We had a great time together.
We, we did a movie night, wehad homemade Zuppa Toscana, the
soup that we love from OliveGarden.
We do our own homemade versionYeah.
Of that.
We had some treats and snacks.
So it was a really fun night.
I, I really did enjoy justhanging out with them and I, I
kind of take advantage of thoseopportunities when you're gone.
(02:08):
To do some special things withthe kids or do some things that
we don't normally do as well.
Lennon (02:14):
I think it's fun that,
as kids get older, the different
family traditions can becomekind of cringe to them.
Mm-hmm.
But even our teenagers now arestill down for a good movie
night and we're always down forZuppa Toscana, which I think, in
my humble opinion, you actuallydo better than Olive Garden.
Christal (02:31):
Ooh, thank you.
It's true.
Thank you.
Well, I really do love to cook.
For our family, we have ourfavorite recipes.
I know that their families outthere have their things.
They always do maybe like oncea month, once a week even.
We do red beans and rice.
That's one of their favorites.
Every kid has their favoritething that we do, but we are in
the time of the year in Octoberwhere the soup thing becomes.
(02:55):
Fun to do because it's thatcooler weather or cooler nights.
We actually are experiencingsome cooler nights now.
Lennon (03:01):
It's happening, so
Christal (03:02):
it's a good, it's a
good time for soups and chilies
and things like that.
Lennon (03:06):
Yeah.
So watch me create this bridgefrom soups and chilies.
I think you're, you're a master
Christal (03:11):
at this.
Lennon (03:11):
Well, you're talking
about different traditions,
right?
Yes, and there's nothing moretraditional than the traditional
marriage vows.
That so many of us say wheneverwe are married on our wedding
day, I know sometimes we createour own vows.
That's not unheard of, butthere's something special I
think about those for better orworse, traditional vows that
(03:34):
we're also familiar with.
Christal (03:35):
And you've done a lot
of weddings, so you've led a lot
of couples into these vows.
And, being a pastor's wife, Igot to hear a lot of them as
well.
So I, I think they never getold.
I, I really do.
I think the hearing the vowsagain, every time you go to a
wedding, it's refreshing to yourown marriage because it helps
you remember what you.
(03:55):
Committed to.
Lennon (03:57):
Yeah.
I think here's the, here's howI've always thought about it,
that the first time we saidthem, we meant it.
Christal (04:05):
Yeah.
Lennon (04:05):
But about seven years
in, we did a, a vow renewal and
it was just kind of a hitting areset button after a really
tough season of life and reallytough season of marriage.
In the first time we set ourvows, of course we meant it with
all our heart.
But the second time we set ourvows, I feel like we kind of
understood them.
Christal (04:25):
Yeah.
Which
Lennon (04:25):
was a different ball
game for me.
Christal (04:27):
Yeah.
A A lot of your couples don'tdo it that soon, but you really.
Surprise me with, with thiswhole setup you had our chapel
that we got married in, reservedfor that night, and then you
let me know what we were gonnado and I was completely taken
aback really, because I, Ireally didn't expect you to do
something like that.
(04:48):
Because we'd only been marriedseven years, but honestly it was
because we had just gonethrough a pretty difficult
season, like you said, and, Ifeel like our marriage stayed
strong, but our life was crazyand all the outward stuff that
was happening, all the inwardstuff that was happening in that
season of life, it really canshake a marriage.
(05:08):
I'm thankful we stay committedto one another, but I feel like
renewing those vows helped us,like you said, know what the
vows really meant.
Lennon (05:18):
Yes.
And so here's what we're gonnado today.
We're gonna go through, kind ofsome talking points that we
used as the basis of closing outa, a small conference we did
recently for a group of.
Married couples that were intough places.
And so we closed with a messagecalled For better or worse,
(05:39):
from this day forward.
Mm-hmm.
From this day forward.
And in that we took a look atthese vows and you and I just
went through and took a freshlook at them and told couples
that.
A lot of times what we dreamedabout going into a marriage goes
out the window pretty quickly.
It, it could be because we makesome mistakes or because
something unexpected happens tous, but that's whenever vows can
(06:03):
be tested and proven.
And also the, uh, stability ofour love with the help of God
can really shine more in toughtimes than just in the perfect
moments.
Whenever we first say these, Idos.
Christal (06:17):
Okay.
Well let's, why don't we readthrough these vows just to give
everybody out there listening arefresher on what they say.
So the traditional vows do say,I Christal take you Lennon to
be my wedded husband.
You would say wife, right.
To having to hold from this dayforward for better or worse,
(06:38):
for richer or poor and sicknessand in health.
To love and to cherish until weare parted by death.
Lennon (06:46):
Those are great.
And they're, and they'reactually very, very intense.
Yeah.
As you look at them printedout, it's kinda like, I am
really promising big thingshere.
Mm-hmm.
And it's very important that toacknowledge that the, these
vows are made before God, butthey're also intended to be made
(07:06):
with.
God's help to walk it out.
And so the teaching we did atthis conference really
emphasized whatever it's been tothis point, we are talking from
this day forward.
And so for our friends, youlistening today, wherever your
marriage is at this point, youcould walk out.
The vows better from this dayforward because that's how God
(07:27):
is.
Christal (07:28):
Yeah.
We have a from this dayforward.
God, that's the kind of Godthat we serve, and our God is a
God of second chances.
He's a God of third and fourthand fifth chances, right?
I mean, he really delights ingiving us another chance when we
come to him.
He loves for us to come to himand say, God, I, I just need to
start over.
Pretty much every.
Famous person in the Bible hashad more than one chance.
(07:51):
I mean, you look at Jacob'slife, Jacob, he was a liar.
He was a deceiver, and God gavehim another chance and, and
then Moses, I mean, Moses,goodness, like he had so many
chances, he, he really messed upat times.
Right.
Lennon (08:05):
Killed a guy, buried him
in the sand.
Mm-hmm.
All sorts of things.
Christal (08:10):
Yeah.
Peter.
Think of a New Testamentcharacter.
Peter was someone who followedJesus every day, listened to
every message, and then ended updenying him,
Lennon (08:19):
right.
And
Christal (08:19):
cutting off a guy's
ear too.
But Jesus gave him anotherchance.
And so God is really a God ofgrace and mercy more than we
could even imagine.
And some people may, may belistening are in that, place
right now where they really doneed a start over with the Lord
in their marriage.
It's kind of like when you'rethe one that washes the clothes
(08:39):
in the house, you tend to seeall the stains, and I have a few
tricks up my sleeve, that canget the stains out.
Every now and then though,there will be some remnant of a
stain left that isn't bad enoughto throw the shirt away, but.
You can slightly see it therebut here's how a good God is.
I mean, he, he's a God who canget any stain out and make it
(09:03):
widest snow.
There's no remnant of the stainleft isaiah chapter, one 18
says that though your sins arescarlet, they will be as white
as snow.
Though though they are crimsonred, they will be like wool.
So that's how great God is andhow much he can restore, renew
us.
Lennon (09:24):
And we can let that
grace and that restoration
affect us from this day forward.
Christal (09:28):
Yeah.
Lennon (09:28):
So let's look at it.
Let's look at these vows fromthis day forward.
And the first thing we committo is to have and to hold.
And almost at at most weddings,the passages read from Genesis.
This one at last is bone of mybone, flesh of my Flesh.
This one will be called Womanfor.
She was taken from Man, andscripture goes on and says, the
(09:52):
two will become one flesh if wein our marriage are going to.
Take advantage of everything wepromise, whenever we have and
hold.
It really does need to beembracing that it is no longer
just me seeking to build a lifeand needing to have my own way
that I need you with me, andwhatever we face, we've gotta,
(10:16):
we've gotta do it.
We've gotta do it together andwe've gotta hold on to one
another because we can't just betwo individuals seeking to live
our lives, but we happen toshare a home and a bed.
Christal (10:27):
I think the way that's
said is really special to hold.
I love that because we, likeyou're saying, we have one
another close by to be togetherthrough thick and thin, any
storm, that image of, to holdone another, not just to have,
not just that, okay.
We're, we're joined by a pieceof paper by document, legally,
(10:48):
but we also have one another andcan hold onto one another
Lennon (10:52):
That's great.
And then it goes on and thenext thing we promise is for
better or worse, to having tohold, but to do so for better or
for worse.
And I love the scripture andEcclesiastes, I've shared this
with so many young adults inlove, you know, at the altar
making their vows together.
Where Ecclesiastes says thattwo are better than one because
(11:15):
they have a good reward fortheir efforts.
If either falls, his companioncan lift them up, but pity to
the one who falls withoutanother to lift them up and
always remind the couple thatthe privilege of having one
another for better or worse, isthat you will never face
anything in your life from thisday forward alone.
You'll always have each other.
(11:38):
And here's the thing about, forbetter or worse, this is the
part that we don't reallybelieve is ever gonna come
whenever we make our vows,because it's, the old joke is
bad times with them are betterthan good times with someone
else.
And that's true ish.
But we have no idea how bad,bad can be.
And how, for worse can be.
Christal (11:59):
Yeah.
Because when we get married, Imean, you think about your
wedding day, you're onlythinking of the good things
that's gonna happen together.
You don't think of like, whatcould happen, thank the lord.
Like he doesn't show us all thethings ahead.
Um, oh no.
In our lives that, that we'regonna face, we just couldn't
handle that.
We could not.
Grasp that mentally, look whatI'm gonna go through one day.
(12:19):
But he, he is gracious to getus through each day, day by day.
And I think that commitmentthat we make at the beginning,
and that's what we're saying, nomatter what comes, we're gonna
get through it, but yeah, you donot think about that on your
wedding day.
Lennon (12:34):
And for worse, can look
a lot of different ways.
For worse can look like cancer.
Mm-hmm.
For worse.
Can look like, financialdevastation for worse can look
like one of you doing somethingyou never thought they would do.
But it can also look like oneof your kids suffering in a way
you never thought they wouldsuffer.
And whatever.
(12:54):
For worse, it looks like youcould just know it's gonna come.
Don't be surprised by it and itdoesn't mean your marriage is
over.
And this is where the writer ofEcclesiastes, says something
wonderful.
If someone overpowers oneperson, two can resist him.
And then this wonderful truth,A cord of three strands is not
(13:14):
easily broken.
And that third strand in ourmarriage, it's gotta be, it's
gotta be the Holy Spirit.
It's gotta be God at work inus.
And with him.
We really can, we can hold onand we can bear any tension
without breaking,
Christal (13:28):
That's right.
Lennon (13:29):
So from this day
forward, we're gonna have and
hold one another.
From this day forward, we'regonna be, we're gonna be better
at, for better or worse.
And then from this day forward,we also want to handle for
richer or poorer, better.
Christal (13:44):
Yeah.
I remember when we first gotengaged, we had this
conversation on the phone onenight.
I'm sure you remember, and yousaid to me now you know how I
make my living right.
How I, how I make money.
And I was like, I don't reallyknow, you know?
But you said you fundraisedyour salary 'cause you were a
campus missionary.
Uh huh.
(14:04):
And so you had to raise your,uh, support for each month.
Lennon (14:09):
You were probably
wondering, where does all this
guy's money come from?
All these stacks of cash.
Christal (14:14):
Well, I knew you
didn't have a lot of money.
That was, that was, uh,obvious,
Lennon (14:17):
oh, what, what, okay.
What made that obvious?
Was it.
Let's see.
Was it whenever you visited thehouse?
I shared with roommates for thefirst time.
Was it the fact that I hadclothes folded on a dollar store
bookshelf instead of indrawers, which I didn't own any
drawers.
Was it my mattress that was onthe floor instead of on a bed?
(14:38):
Say probably the mattress on
Christal (14:39):
the floor.
But yeah, I mean, I knew thisguy wasn't rich, but I did know
you were a hard worker.
You're a faithful guy.
You had a.
A good head on your shoulders.
I, I wasn't worried about ourfuture and at the time I was
just so in love with you thatI'm just like, oh, however you
make it is fine with me.
You know?
And so I don't know if I talklike that.
(15:01):
That was kind of a weird voice.
But anyways, if you talk
Lennon (15:04):
like that, we might not
be married.
I
Christal (15:08):
dunno where that voice
came from.
But, you know, after beingmarried, 19 years, we've, we've
had our fair share of financialblessings.
That we've been provided for inamazing ways, and we've seen
the Lord provide a home for us.
We have a wonderful home thatwe never would've thought we
could have had.
(15:28):
And then we've had somehardships.
We've had times where we gothit, with bills that we didn't
foresee medical things or.
Whatever it was, we've, we'vebeen hit with surprises as well
and we've seen the Lord stayfaithful and I think that right
there for richer for poor, it'sreally about where does your
(15:49):
trust lie?
I know for you, You've been agreat provider, you've worked
hard for our family.
But it goes beyond just that,right?
We wanna have good financial,decisions that we make, but we
have a God that we can trust inmore than anything.
I think that's how we getthrough for richer or poor is
keeping our faith in God and ourtrust in him.
(16:12):
Because what if we have anabundance of money?
I mean, that could go the wrongway as well, right?
The love of money could causeyou to have some marital issues
as well.
Lennon (16:24):
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That's really true andsurprisingly, whenever Paul says
in Philippians, I can do allthings through Christ who
(17:50):
strengthens me.
That perfectly applies to thisaspect of the wedding vows for
richer or poorer because what hesaid there right before, he
says, I'm able to do all thingsthrough him who strengthens me.
He says, I know how to make dowith a little and I know how to
make do with a lot in any andall circumstances.
I've learned the secret ofbeing content, whether well fed
(18:12):
or hungry, whether in abundanceor in need.
So whether in your dream homeor.
An efficiency apartment thatyou can't wait to move out of
with lots of margin or with toomuch month at the end of the
money.
Like we can get through forricher or poor with the help of
God.
He is our provider in oursustainer.
Christal (18:34):
We're all gonna go
through trials of a hardship or
abundance, it's what we do withthat and is our love gonna be
shaken?
Because we're going through ahard time
Lennon (18:44):
And then the next part
of the vows is in sickness and
in health.
And so from this day forward,we want to handle sickness and
health well.
And really something that Ithink we far too often take for
granted is the health of ourspouse ourselves or our kids.
(19:04):
If you think about it, any ofyou listening to this podcast,
when was the last time you wereglad that your ears were
functioning well?
We take things that are goingwell for granted.
That's just kind of how we are.
But things that are going wellare matters of, of gratitude to
God.
(19:24):
So that, uh, whenever we'regoing through sickness, it's
also second nature to turn toGod because the thing about
these bodies, we are at ourphysical peak whenever we get
married, usually, I mean,sometimes we get in better shape
later in life, but what I amsaying is that inevitably
posture is gonna slip, hair isgonna get thinner.
(19:48):
There may be a diagnosis thatsurprises you, or it could be
that someone in your family goesthrough sickness to do in
sickness and health.
Well, we've gotta rejoice witheach other when rejoicing is, is
there, we've gotta slow downand weep or limp when the one we
love is, is weeping or limping.
(20:08):
We've gotta love, well, insickness and in health.
Christal (20:13):
Yeah, I love to see
like those, sometimes you'll see
'em on Instagram or Facebook,like the pictures or videos of
two old people walking side byside, holding hands, and they're
still in love.
Or maybe you have one that's alittle bit less capable or in a
wheelchair and the other one'staking care of them.
That to me, when I see thosepictures, it just shows the
(20:33):
ultimate love,, long lastinglove.
And that's what I always aspireto is to, to have that kind of
love that we take care of oneanother even into our old age.
Because what if one of you isin a position where you can't
really take good care ofyourself?
And so I think that's reallyimportant that you have the kind
of love that no matter whatthey go through or what you go
(20:56):
through, you're gonna staycommitted to them.
And
Lennon (20:58):
love
Christal (20:58):
them.
Lennon (20:59):
Yeah.
That's fantastic.
And, and true.
So in sickness and in health.
And then the next part of thosevows that you talked about at
the conference was to love andto cherish that.
From this day forward, I willlove and cherish you.
Christal (21:13):
Yeah.
Let's talk first about the lovepart.
I think those are two reallydifferent words.
They, they do a lot of the samething, loving one another is
really not about.
Just emotions and feelings, andI know we've talked to
teenagers about this before, howreal committed love is more
(21:34):
than just the way you feelbecause feelings are gonna come
and go and you even hear couplesthat talk about, I just feel
like i'm not in love with themanymore.
There's gonna be days whereyou're not feeling it, or you
might have seasons where you gothrough a stressful time and I
don't feel the in love feelingsis gonna happen,
Lennon (21:52):
Yeah.
the characteristics of lovethat are so wonderfully spelled
out in like one Corinthians 13,love is patient, kind, all these
things, none of those we'veoften pointed out are about how
love feels.
They are all about what lovedoes, or what love does does not
do.
So the loving is incrediblyimportant.
(22:14):
And then the cherishing aspect,I, I feel like.
So many of us as guys need somesort of review from our brides
as to what it, what it lookslike to make you feel cherished.
Hmm.
Christal (22:28):
When I think of the
word cherished, I think of
taking care of something reallyprecious and maybe not even just
fragile.
Almost like you handle it, likeit's a fragile thing.
You take great care of it.
I, I used to hide these likeglass.
I collected these bloke glassfigurines when I was a kid.
Mm-hmm.
Do you remember those things?
Um, I, they were like, theywere like.
(22:50):
They were, um, usually sold atsometimes theme parks or little
stores.
I remember getting one at WaltDisney World and I took care of
those, my collection of blowglass, like, sorry, I took care
of my collection of blow glassvery carefully.
I would dust them.
You know, very, very carefullyand display them and they were
(23:15):
just so special to me, and Ireally think that's a good way
of thinking how to cherish oneanother.
I know I feel cherished whenyou.
Uh, remember date night and youmight do something special.
One, one night you're like,let's go to this restaurant that
you've been wanting to go to.
Kind of a surprise, like, thosekind of things make me think.
You, you were thinking of thedetails and you're trying to
(23:37):
take care of me in a specialway.
Lennon (23:39):
Yeah.
Christal (23:39):
So,
Lennon (23:41):
and guys would never, I
don't know if it, I have yet to
meet a man who.
Has ever said the words, I justdon't really feel cherished by
her.
Like, that may not be the, theword we use, but the sentiment,
we still get it.
We want to feel like we arespecial to our brides.
And the way I think of thiswith, with men is, uh, you know,
(24:02):
if you've ever seen an oldclassic car or truck that was
meticulously maintained by some,by some old man who's driving
around a truck from 1973.
And you know, it was greatcoming off the lot, but what's
clear is he has never stoppedtaking care of it.
Mm.
And that's also how we have tobe with, with our marriage.
(24:25):
We all have a lot of options.
Divorce is normalized in that,in this culture, if you wanted
to be done with me and all of myeccentricities and all of my
issues, you could do that andfind a younger, newer model.
But that's not what we do inmarriage.
Marriage.
But that's not what we do inmarriage.
(24:46):
We love and we cherish this onethat we have.
Christal (24:49):
I do wanna know from a
guy's perspective.
How would you feel cherished?
How would you feel like youwere really loved by your wife?
What are some examples of that
Lennon (25:00):
to, to me, specifically
with you and I not, not really
being able to speak for all men,but at least how this man
functions is.
You know, my love language isacts of service, but when you do
things for me, like yesterday,I'd been outta town speaking for
the, for the weekend.
Last night when I was gettingmy clothes out to take the girls
(25:23):
to school this morning, Inoticed my socks, I had, I had
white socks.
Like, oh, I need white socks.
They were in, they were in thedrawer whenever I got home
yesterday.
Uh, the.
The pillows were nice on thecouch.
The floor was clean, and Irealized that that didn't just
happen.
Like you put in some, you putin some real labor to make it to
(25:45):
where I could come home and youknow, I also appreciate
cleanliness and all that kind ofstuff.
That's where I feel cherishedbecause I know you're doing
those things for me because thatresonates with me.
Christal (25:58):
Yeah.
And one thing we've talkedabout before, and a lot we've
heard from a lot of men, and Ithink this is written in books,
of course, I, I know there'sthat love and respect book.
There's a lot that's beentalked about this, but just a
good reminder, the, the way thatyou've told me before.
Men tend to feel loved is theway we respect and talk to you.
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The way we, yeah, we, um, aswives, we don't become like a
nagging wife.
We don't.
We just, we just with our wordsor our actions, show you
respect in a way of like, Ivalue what you do.
Thank you for doing what youdo.
Or, honey, you preached anamazing sermon today.
Like, I loved hearing yoursermon, what you said.
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And so those things, I feellike that respect aspect is
really important for men.
And, and we know that just fromresearch, but what do you, what
do you think about that?
Lennon (26:52):
Yeah.
Those kind of things make mefeel, feel those kind of things
make me feel special to you.
Yeah.
And it, it says that I impactyou in a positive way and, and I
want to do that.
And so yeah.
That's, that is, that's a bigway that men feel cherished.
Christal (27:10):
All right, so for our
last.
All right, so for our lastpoint, it's from this day
forward until we are parted bydeath.
So I dunno what to say about
Lennon (27:28):
that until we are parted
by death.
Christal (27:30):
Until we are parted by
death.
Lennon (27:32):
Yeah, that's how, that's
how we'll we'll end this thing,
just with the encouragement ofmy friends.
This is a lifelong endeavor.
The finish line is whenever wehopefully, um, die together in
bed peacefully.
Notebook style.
Having gone to bed the nightbefore you, I surprised you for
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that,
Christal (27:56):
making me cringe.
You remember the movie, the
Lennon (27:58):
Notebook?
Yes.
Whenever the, the old man laysdown beside his wife in the
hospital bed.
Yes.
And they just, they just gentlydie together.
Yes.
Well, very few people arefortunate enough to have that
Right.
But let's do remember that weare bound to one another as long
as we.
Are living.
And as a pastor, I've done somany funerals where one spouse
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has, has, um, had to say goodbyeto the other.
And I always hope that thatwoman or that man who is still
living feel some sort of degreeof the pleasure of the Lord that
I assume it wasn't always easybecause no marriage is, but if
you're with them to their deathor yours, you did it.
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A wife is bound as long as herhusband is living.
Paul says, and same for a man.
Stick this out until the end.
Let your kids see parents thatnever let go of each other.
If you've been divorced before,may that be your last one.
This time, this one.
From this day forward, you'regonna love them until you are
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parted by death.
Christal (29:04):
That is so good.
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Lennon (29:46):
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