The Skating Marathon Maestro: Building Community Through Inline Racing

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
Welcome to this week's episode of how Do you
Skate.
I am your host, Sean Egan, andmy guest today is Tavis Trozen,
who we actually met at the StPaul 11 Mile Skate.
Yes, so that's where weactually met, and of course he
also runs the Miami InlineMarathon, so I had to have him

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on.
So how are you doing today?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Beachy Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's good.
So now tell me how skatingstarted for you.
How old were you?
What was your like?
Did you start off with themetal quads, like I did, or I'm
from.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
I'm from Grand Forks, north Dakota, so I don't know
if you're familiar.
It's home of the fighting Siouxhockey.
So I mean, it's hockey's a godthere, right?
It's like the whole town shutsdown when the college hockey
team would play.
So I grew up, so I was actuallya late skater for North, for
Grand Forks.
I didn't learn to skate until Iwas five and most people were

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already skating when they weretwo, so I learned ice skates, um
.
And then you know, going toelementary school and you'd have
your backpack on one shoulder,you'd have your stick with your
skates through it on your other.
As soon as school got out, youwould go and skate.
Every elementary school hadthree ice rinks um, so it's just

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yeah, so like outside you havelike a rink for, um, no sticks,
a rink that you could havehockey sticks and then the
boards, a rink with the boardswhich is like serious hockey
yeah so yeah I grew up hockeyskating never, never organized,
never like competitive.
So I grew up, yeah, hockeyskating, and then my grandma got

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me some god, I think they wereBauer rollerblades actually Like
you know, the hockey peoplemake, and really tiny, like the
Fred Flintstone wheels, you know, like not like neoprene, but
like as you skated like thewheels were chipping off, kind
of a deal.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I remember those.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah.
So I was probably I don't knowI was.
I was probably like eight ornine or something, and then I
got a net for my birthday so Iwould play kind of like street
hockey and shoot around and justskate around the neighborhood.
And then I didn't, um, I didn'tskate for a long time really,
uh, in line at all.
I didn't even know it wascalled in line until um.

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After like high school I'm abig track guy and I have stress
fractures in my shins I foundout I couldn't run anymore.
I went off to college and gotput on a lot of weights.
One day I was back at home andI just found some old skates and
started skating.
I was like, oh, this is cool, Iget that feeling like when I

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was running again.
You know, it's like just thewind and well, I used to have
hair same here I know what youmean that's okay.
I can feel the wind way more nowwith just a scale um, so yeah,
so I just started skating againand then I got um.
I think there were solomon or2,and they were 584 millimeters,

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so it was like ooh 84, andeveryone had 80 millimeters.
I had five of them and it waslike you know a hard shell boot
with like the soft liner, but ithad like this quick lace system
.
It was like whoa.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
So I was probably like yeah, 18, 19 there.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
So I was probably like yeah, 18, 19 there.
And then I did my first NorthShore.
It was my first ever event,Probably when I was around like
20.
So that's probably like 24years ago.
My aunt found out.
She's like hey, did you knowthere's marathons for skating?

Speaker 1 (04:17):
I was like no, I never heard of such a thing, and
so, yeah, me and my littlecousin went.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
And then it's just been crazy.
Since then I can relate to thefive wheel, because I had the
roller roller blade five wheelback in the day.
So that was 91 92.
So yeah, yeah, I'm probably alittle older than you oh, that's
okay.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
You were way ahead on the on the five wheel.
I mean, the five-wheel wascrazy at the time.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, you can actually still get them Columbia
.
They use them a lot, especiallyfor a lot of the slalom
downhill stuff too.
Really, I'm not going to trythat stuff.
I'm okay with falling, but I'mnot a fan of falling downhill at
70 kilometers an hour.
I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, for the downhill craziness.
I actually found, quite a fewyears now, this guy, richard
Nett.
I don't know if you've ever met, heard of him, nett Racing.
He's the one I used to get allmy stuff for when I lived in
North Dakota you could call himup and just say, here's the type
of skater I am, here's what Ido do, and he tries like all the

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skates, and I think he's a bootmaker, so he'd be like, oh,
here's the skate you need to be,here's the wheel setup.
But anyways, a while back I waslike you know, I was on, uh,
you know, carbon fiber raceboots at that time but I was
like, hey, what about it's like?
Are there any like old fivewheel frames that you can still
mount?
You know, because they I can'tremember like what the
millimeters were, but you know,never.
A while ago they changed sothat the mounting was different.

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I think it's like further apartnow instead of close together
and he's like oh yeah, there'sthis one, it's mojima or
something like that makes thisthe five wheel frame and has
like two slots.
If you drill out this, you canput a five wheel on a new boot
and I did that and it was yeah,and I put on some 584s and I was
, I was trying, I was learningto double push and then it was

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like at first you're like thisis crazy, right, you're so small
, but they're like oh my gosh,like I can, like get my edges
like nobody's business yeah butyou I mean, it's not fast enough
.
There's no way you can like usethem anymore, but it was.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
It was fun to play around it because the five
wheels actually had smallerwheels.
They didn't have like the 110s,like we do now, or 125s your
frame would be like two feetlong.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, yeah, right, you'd look like one of those
crazy downhill skaters exactlyextremely crazy downhill skaters
.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
So yeah, the theely crazy downhill skaters.
So yeah, the the marathon thatwe just did.
Or the 11 mile.
That was my first race in 33years, so it was uh it, it was
fun, I'm.
I'm like I said I'm not doingthe uh, apostle islands, but
next year that's in the game.
And then I'm going to be doingthe, the, the next two for the
rollerblade series, but I'llhave to put miami on for next

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year.
So now, what made you startlike what?
What was the whole concept oflike starting miami marathon,
and how did that come about?

Speaker 3 (07:16):
so like the short answer or like the long answer
dude give me the detailed answerpeople want to know, in case
somebody else wants to like hey,I want to do a marathon in my
area you gotta be careful askingme a question ever, because I'm
going to take like the longestway and then, especially skating
, I'll just never shut up, so umI got so I got more and more
into skating right over theyears and then, um to the point

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you know, learned that there waslike technique went to skate,
which we should talk about skatefarm sometime.
But eventually I joined theNorth shore board.
I was asked I had some formerteammate on there and she's like
hey, we're looking for somepeople on the board.
So I served on the North shoreboard for three years.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
And so, and again, I've done.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
I don't know how many races I've done.
I've done over 50 for sureOutdoor, between marathons, half
marathons, 24 hours, le Mans Idon't know if you know Athens to
Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
I was actually going to ask you about that one.
Have you done that one?

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, so I did the 87 one year, except there was road
construction so I actually did89.
And that was freaking awful.
But the A to A people are soamazing that I came back and
then I did the 49 the next yearand I won the 49 mile and that
wasn't bad.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
So yeah, I've done a bunch of races.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
So I had done a lot, a lot of races and I met.
I was, I was at 88, one yearactually, and I accidentally 88.
Pride is in Atlanta, right.
So Athens, atlanta, or sorry,athens, georgia, to Athens,
atlanta, 87 mile road skates.
On Sunday, friday night, theyhave a group skate, uh, and it's

(09:04):
really fun.
You have a police escort.
It's in Atlanta.
You go downtown with the policeescort, it's a really fun time.
Well, it was.
Unfortunately it ended.
Now I actually went skating.
I elbowed this girl.
We just started talking.
Her name's Naomi Weinberg.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
She was from Miami.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
We became friends and then she had met, I think right
around that time, a woman namedDoris Casabona from Miami.
They met on the trail skatingin Miami, and so we just started
like hey, I'm going to thisevent.
Oh, I'll be there and we usedto joke around.
Naomi was like my skate wifeand I was her skate husband,
because we would stay togetherat all these events and like we

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never dated or anything likethat.
But yeah, so we just like we goto all these events together and
Doris was there, and so thethree of us just became friends.
I mean, we're in Berlintogether and all the Midwest
races here, and so yeah, and so,yeah, so, and then about they
might kill me here.
Eight to 10 years ago, theystarted an event called Skater

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Migration in Miami.
Okay, are you familiar withSkater Migration?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
No.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
So it used to be around something called the
Great Escape, and so some reallyold school skaters will know
the Great Escape.
But they brought it back tolife and it's's just.
It's like a rolling party inmiami.
It's not speed, it is just likethursday night and then like
two skates, I think friday, twoskates, saturday and maybe

(10:37):
sunday and they just take overthe streets of miami and they
just okay, we're gonna skate tothis beach ring or whatever.
They're not closing down roads,they just have a group of
skaters there from the localsoby rollers and they go out and
they'll skate ahead and they'lljust stop traffic and, um, I
think their largest year.
They have 800 skaters.
Oh wow, world like quad skaters, recreational skaters, like

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colombian, like national, youknow world champion type people,
everyone.
But it's just a really slowgroup skate and just like a
rolling party.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
So anyway, so um, they're like hey you have to
come to skater migration.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
So I came there and so we just kind of got talking.
A while.
Back is especially as we'reseeing races ending right like
we're just talking.
Athens to atlanta is just done.
This year is the last year ofrolling on the river in my
hometown, in grand forest.
Um, and it was a great event,like the second you cross the
finish line, you've got yourtime that literally handed to

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you.
It's like amazing timing.
You have really good food.
Um, so we've seen these racesand, um, we, we all love berlin.
Berlin is my favorite race, andthen there was always rumors of
berlin ending, and then lastyear they dramatically changed
berlin to save the events.
Um, and there's still rumorsthat maybe this is the last year

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berlin.
So we love skating, right, theydo the skater migration thing,
and then I do all these otherraces and I'm on the north shore
board helping to grow northshore again, and so we just like
we should start a race yeah weshould and we're like we know
all these people again fromskating all over the world and

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all over the country.
All of us have all thesecontacts.
Doris is like a rollerbladeambassador.
Um.
So again, we just know allthese people like, yeah, let's,
let's do this, like I'm aboutthe races.
You have a lot of industrycontacts let's get together and
so our first one that we'regoing to do is actually
guadalajara in Mexico.
Oh, so that's where I'm at,that's where my wife is from, so

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we had all the permissions,like everything in Guadalajara.
So it was going to be pretty.
It was going to be apoint-to-point 26-mile race
through Guadalajara, finishingthrough it's called the Arcos de
Guadalajara, which is just abig arch, right kind of like
berlin does.
Yeah, amazing.
And then they had elections andin mexico.

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I don't know if you know how itworks, but when elections
happened everything is just likekind of shut down, postponed so
yeah so we had done everythingand, yeah, the elections
happened and just kind of killedus, but in the meantime we kept
working on the Miami idea,especially since they have so
many people there, so manyrecreational skaters, and so

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we're like, let's do this.
And we just started looking fora company we could work with
like a production company, atiming company.
We found a company called RaceTime and they do primarily
running events, some cycling,but like every month, and so
they have contacts to help uswith getting all the permitting

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and everything, yeah and so,yeah, so we made a deal with
them and, like right now, wejust signed a three-year
contract, so our goal is to keepthis growing.
So that's how we got into Miami.
Our goal with Miami is reallyagain.
So we're all speed skaters,right, but we also love rec

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skating, and Miami has so manyrec skaters, and Skate of
Migration is all about recskaters, right, and so we wanted
to create an event that is likereally fun, that's welcoming,
and it's not just like a race,it's like a whole weekend thing.
We do a group skate friday night, skating migration style, just
going out through the city.

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Um, super fun.
We had, you know, worldchampion with us from colombia.
We had two, uh, olympians fromperu, like the rowers, like
world crew type of guys yeah sowe have like all, and then we
have like derby girls and justrec skaters jam skaters
aggressive skaters and we're alljust skating together.

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And then a lot of us, you know,for our town, we're staying at
the same hotel and so our goalis just to get like all these
rec skaters, especially in Miamiarea, who have never done an
event.
They've never heard about NorthShore.
You know all of our events nowoutdoor events are in the
Midwest so most of these peopledidn't even know that there was
marathons or half marathons.
So we want to get like allthese rec people into an event.

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Try not to call the race.
Like tell people like hey, mostpeople are not wearing skin
suits, most people do not havespeed skates, you know?
like most people are just likeyou they're wearing floppy
shorts, they're wearing T-shirts.
They're wearing recreationalboots, they're trying to do a
half marathon or they're tryingto skate a marathon.
So that was our goal is like wewant to keep skating alive.

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We want to keep skating alive,we want to help grow the sport
and we want to help get, like,all these recreational people
into these events so they cansee, you know, like just the
community runs right, there's alot of cyclists, and I'm the
cyclist too, and I'll saycyclists are jerks, right.
They're horrible human beings.

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Lance Armstrong Right, but likelike skaters, if you show up,
we love you already it's likewelcome.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
It doesn't matter if you're an olympian or this is
your first time on skates, likeit's just such a niche sport.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
They were all just like, yeah, let's grab all these
people, let's just love on them, get them here, get them
connected, and then we'll say,hey, by the way, there's this
race in the roof, there's thisrace on an island in wisconsin,
you know.
And so that's our goal andhopefully, if they want that,
they'll get into maybe speedskating right and doing more of

(16:38):
these events or they can stayrecreational skaters and quad
skaters, whatever, but yeah,that's kind of our mission with
miami is just like get people inthere and get them introduced
to people, and then they'llreally get that thought and just
start traveling and skatingwell.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Once you get that whole sense of community and you
feel like you're part ofsomething, it makes it a lot
easier.
100 because, I was gonna say Iwent to the saint paul one with
like not knowing anybody thatwas going to be there, and then
I met you and a couple otherpeople until I actually had to
leave quickly, but so yeah, Ifeel like a reason.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
It's probably good that you left quickly.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
But so now you said, rolling on the river, that's the
North Dakota one, right.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, that's Grand north dakota.
One right, yeah, that's grandforks, north dakota.
I can't remember 16 or 20, someyears.
Yeah, this is the last.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
It's the last year so I'm like doing the historic one
for the first time and it'slike so do you know anything
that's going to go on with therollerblade series next year?
Then, if they do four races andthey don't have rolling on the
river, are they gonna?

Speaker 3 (17:43):
it's like miami marathon gonna be race number
four now well, that's what workslike hey, because we know the
rollerblade, people too likeagain doris, my, our founders,
my partner yeah, she's arollerblade ambassador, so
that's kind of what we're hopingis like hey, let's, let's just
make miami the fourth stop, andso I don't know.

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I don't have any insiderinformation.
But, it's true, because I meanwe have the Sobe.
Roller crew.
Down there they have therollerblade band all the time
down there and they go out.
They even go in front of Doris,like she'll take some of the
Sobe crew, which is South Beach.
They'll go to even runningevents with the Rollerblade band

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.
They'll be like hey let's run.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Does anyone want to?

Speaker 3 (18:30):
try skating.
It's really cool.
It's a really cool idea.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
They're out there.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
One of the Sobe Roller women.
She even teaches alearn-to-skate class.
She has a bunch of kids andstuff.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Anyway, it's.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Roller rollerblade, if you're listening exactly well
, they were one of our sponsorslast year too, so I think it
would be a natural fit.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
But yeah, we'll see what they want to do definitely.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
And then you mentioned skate farm.
I keep notes in my head, so youmentioned skate farm.
What is skate farm?

Speaker 3 (19:02):
oh my gosh, have you ever heard of skate farm?

Speaker 2 (19:04):
no, that's why I'm asking, oh have you heard of
eddie metzger?
Absolutely, yeah, he was theone that originally set the the
one mile.
Was it one mile record or forskating?

Speaker 3 (19:17):
so many things that eddie has done.
It's like he's done running onthe bowls on skates okay he's
skated the great wall of chinalike, I'm assuming, not the
entire length, but knowing eddie, maybe.
Um, supposedly he skated up thegreat pyramid in giza.
I don't know how high, butapparently before they're
locking that down, I don't havethat confirmed, but I've heard a

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lot of people say that.
I do know he skated mountkilimanjaro on skates oh wow,
and so he said yeah at somepoint you're just walking.
He said but and I know there's ayoutube video out there, think
of him skating on the highestroad in the world.
Okay, and then the video is himgoing down and passing semis

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like passing trucks I mean.
So I've seen him going 55 milesan hour down a mountain and
just forward T-stopping to likeit, just so he's like anyway.
So Eddie Metzger is like alegend.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Absolutely yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
So he, he, I believe uh, I don't know I might get it
wrong, but I believe his motheris Dutch.
So when rollerblades were firstcoming out, I think the world
championships and stuff werestill on quads, and so he went
and got some rollerblades and Ibelieve he went back to the
Netherlands and I think he saidhe did some training there.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
I know he trained with.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
I believe it's Diane Holm, I think is a US speed
skating coach.
Okay, I believe.
So I know he.
Anyways, he went and he learnedwith ice skaters right, and he
took all the ice skatingprinciples, all the drills, and
then started doing them oninlines and I believe he went to
the world championship anddestroyed, like everyone so bad

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he crossed the finish line,going backwards.
It's like his story.
Right, and then after that allthe Colombians threw away their
quads and went and bought waterblades.
But so he has a farmhouse, kindof old farmhouse in the Blue
Ridge.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Hills, blue Ridge Mountains in Virginia, Okay.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Up in the mountains it's just trees.
It's like Bob Denver territory,you know, and he has this big
farmhouse and you go up therefor like five days and it costs
like nothing.
I don't think he's barelyraising the price.
It's like $500 or $600.
Okay, you go up there for likefive days and they feed you 600
bucks.
Okay, out there for like fivedays and they feed you and you

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work on drills with Eddie andthe other like campers there and
so like you'll have breakfastand then after that you'll go
out, especially at first aid.
He doesn't like a lot of likedrills where he's going to see
like can people stop right?
Like you know, he's engaginglike where everyone is and then
he's putting together like acourse for you, right?
so you're doing like dry landdrills which is for those people

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who don't know, that's anythingin like your tennis shoes, and
then on skate drills the entireweek, like in the morning and
then the evening, um, for likefive days, and he is the double
push master, right?
Like, if you want to learn todouble push, you go to eddie, he
has you doing all these drillsand then at the kind of the end,
he, you start putting themtogether and he's like oh, so

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this thing I was doing in myshoes and that was the
underbrush pants under push,regular push, so he builds it up
and you're hanging out and it'sso much fun.
Um, his wife, jai, and hisdaughter used to come, so he
married a thai woman okay he wascoaching, like the chinese
national team or something.
They went over to thailand.
He met this thai woman, so healso has skate farm thailand.

(22:58):
So virginia is where you gowhen you want to learn technique
right.
And then Skate Farm Thailand,which I think now he's calling
it Total Thai Adventures.
It's a skatecation, it is likelight changing.
So you go for a week inThailand and you're in this
little village, you fly intoBangkok and then they like you
spend the night in this hoteland then they pick you up in a

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van.
I think it's like a three orfour hour drive out of bangkok
and you're like in the jungle inthis little village and they
have like this whole compound ofall these little cabins, like
kind of huts, that's all madefrom reclaimed teak and then
like and like marble, becausethey're like marble mines.
So he just gets like free marbleand yes and stuff.
So it's like it's incrediblething there's like a handmade

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pool like with like littlestones, it's like.
And incredible thing there'slike a handmade pool like with
like little stones, it's like.
And then they feed you.
So again, his wife, Jaya, is inthe zoo.
So you wake up in the morning,you all have breakfast and then
you take like a skate right.
So you skate to like a waterfalland then you go swimming around
and they have like food for youand a picnic, and then every
like mile or two they stop Likethey have like uh trucks and

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they pull over and they callchairs and they fan you off and
they give you beverages and thenyou get to like a waterfall or
like the river and you goswimming and they have like a
picnic if you want to skate back.
You can, otherwise a lot ofpeople just take a ride back and
you basically just do that fora week and then every you come
back and you shower, and thenthey have this big house, the

(24:29):
main house, they have all theserooms set up with like curtains,
and then Jai has all thesemasseuses that work for her, and
so every night you get a Thaimassage.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
So it like keeps you going and like that first night
have you ever got a Thai massage.
So it keeps you going and thatfirst night have you ever got a
Thai massage?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
I have.
I actually went to a massageschool, so I've learned various
techniques.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
It's like the most painful thing.
They twist you around andyou're like, ah, ah, ah, and
you're dying.
And then, by the end though,you're like, are you taking it?

Speaker 1 (24:59):
easy on me this doesn't hurt at all.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
And you're like no now, no, you're loose, now
you're good, you feel good likeyour body's supposed to be.
Yeah so, um, that's my badgiant impression, but yeah so,
it's just, it can't bring youlike all the food they have like
a garden, right, so all likethe vegetables come from the
garden.
Nice, they go and get from likea local fisherman that morning.
It's just, it's justlife-changing, like it's not the

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big city, like bangkok.
You're, you're in these littlevillages and then you're skating
, you know these other littlevillages, and just there's kids
running and taking pictures withyou and yeah like so happy um,
yeah, it's, it's, and they havenothing compared to us, but
they're so happy and, like youbuy something from them and

(25:47):
they're just so thankful thatyou came and shopped with them.
Yeah, unbelievable.
I can't recommend either ofthem.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, it's funny because in 1991, when I was
starting to do racing, eddieMetzger was already a name.
We knew the name Eddie Metzgeralready back then yeah, yeah
yeah, but I mean I, think hestill wants to 88.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Right, it's 87 miles deep.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I he won when he was over 50 okay, so there's hope
for me is what you're sayingyeah, you just have to like
become the most efficient skater.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
I think in his I mean eddie.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
If you watch eddie, too, like do drills and stuff.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
He's like a salsa dancer, his hips like everything
you know, like he would tell ustoo.
And we're like ah, yeah, we'reskating.
We're like rubbing our quads.
He's like, oh, what's wrong?
Are your quads sore?
Your muscles are like yeah,it's like your legs shouldn't
get sore when you skate, youdon't need to use your muscles,
just use gravity, you know, likein his kind of berkeley voice.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, it's just.
Yeah, he's so efficient thatthe longer the race the one year
I was at 88.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
He won one of the years there was like a french
national champion, like 20 yearold kid yeah and he torched him.
There's like he bombs everyhill you know it's like 55 miles
an hour downhill and then zoomsright up to the next one.
He's a maniac.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, the 11-mile wasn't set up like that.
It was like you got up the hill, you went down and then the
next hill wasn't until the otherside.
So not a good setup.
I didn't like that.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Even there, so that used to be my favorite race.
It used to run the otherdirection.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Back in the Minnesota half so you would start off
going the other direction.
So it was like a longer, likeflats you start off pretty flat,
and then kind of just a littlegradual, a little hill.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
And then it's pretty flat on the other side.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
And then it was a long hill which was like to
separate the men from the boyshill.
Right, yeah, you get to the topof the hill, you turn and it's
like where did everyone go, youknow?
And then it was downhill to thefinish.
I, I liked it the other way.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, yeah, that sounds better, so we actually
have a what was that startingoff uphill is like come on why?

Speaker 3 (28:05):
I don't know why they changed it, but I'm sure
there's a reason I heardduluth's got some good hills too
they do, but it's mostly.
It's like a rolling downhill.
The first seven and a half milesis all a rolling downhill okay
yeah, so like every year, likewhen I hit the um, um, the half
marathon point, like my watchwill beep and say like new

(28:27):
record for half marathon, youknow, so the first half of North
shore would be like the fastesthalf marathon you've ever done.
Okay, so it's going to feellike it.
It just goes downhill.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, so what app or what watch do you use to track
your skating?
So I have a polar yeah a whatpolar oh, polar, yeah, like the
old heart rate monitors.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yeah, yeah, exactly so, yeah, I don't know, I got
one a while ago and then, um,now that that I have the app and
all my history is in there, itgot me, I upgraded.
Now this can tell my heart ratevariability, all this ECG and
all this stuff built in.

(29:18):
I geek out about too.
It can tell you what's yourtolerance.
Are you overtraining?
Are you overtraining?
Are you undertraining?
Should you back off?
So yeah, nice, I have somethingto tell me.
To back off.
Yeah, because I have a tendencyjust to overtrain, so yeah, you
and me both.
Yeah, I mean you might be atlike a clinical issue.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, we're like, yeah, you're having a heart
attack and you're still skatingyeah, well, yesterday it's like
we went, uh we did a hike, sothat's like my rest day.
We go hiking and in coloradowith the altitude and everything
, because I actually started offin california, so I've only
been in colorado for three years, but we actually have a trail
between louisville and boulderwhich is a gradual incline, so

(30:02):
I'm like that's where I got togo to start training for the
hills and stuff.
So you know, do part way up andthen come down and just do that
a couple of times and justbuild the tolerance until I can
get up all the way.
So I think that'll help,strategy wise at least.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
So you definitely have to get some hills in.
You know, because even evenafter like that rolling downhill
, there's one kind of like kindof slow climb that most people
don't think it was a hill, butto me that's the worst people
normally think of.
There's a hill called lemondrop.
Okay, I don't know if it's like22, 23 miles in or so, but like
it's, but it's just a it's justa quick bump and you're up right

(30:40):
, so like you just hustle up itand then afterwards there's a
long downhill when you go intothe tunnel.
So it's just like just get upto the top, especially like go
up fast, be the first one upthere.
So then the whole group comesbehind you, pushes you down the
hill and there you go.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
So that's like a pro, that's like a yeah, yeah, a tip
, a veteran tip for North ShoreRaise up lemon, drop.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Okay, let the group catch up to you and then let
them just push you all the wayyou get like I don't know, we
might get like a mile ride, likefor sure like a half mile ride
down, but to me the worst is theon ramp.
So at the I don't know, haveyou done North Shore?

Speaker 2 (31:24):
No, like I said this, last one where I met you was
the first one in 33 years.
Okay, yeah, no north shore.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
You then go into these tunnels, right?
Yeah, uh, if you're like, ifyou're racing, the tunnels is
where everything happens, likethat is it?
That's where, like, people aremaking moves and if it's like a
wet year you know you get to thetunnels.
That's dry right and so theneveryone's like chop, chop, chop
, go, chop, go, go, go.
And then there's spaces liketwo or three times spaces

(31:49):
between the tunnels, but thenit's wet.
So then everyone's controlledand you get to the tunnel, but
at the end of the tunnel you goup an on-ramp because it goes
over the highway, because you'reon the highway and you exit.
And to me that is by far theworst.
Okay, you're at the end.
There's only like maybe like ahalf mile or something left for

(32:10):
you to go, so you have to go upthis on-ramp and then you get a
little ride down there's acorner and then you got like a
quarter mile sprints there butthat's last on-ramp.
It's just the worst because youwant to be done.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, that's the way I felt last weekend, especially
it being the first one, so itreally tested and the way I look
at it is like all right, I setmy time next year I'm going to
beat that time.
So I was racing myself, Ididn't know, but I thought it
was really cool.
The one guy that skated it withhis son in the wheelchair he

(32:46):
had like that sports wheelchair.
I thought that was really cool.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
And he's on North shore every year too, does he?
Yeah, like every year they'rethere.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Everyone claps when you see it, Like it's just
amazing.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Cause I would actually love to get him on the
podcast and just find out hisstory with his son and
everything.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
I'm assuming it's his son, so I believe so I someone
had told me like the situation awhile ago, but I I don't
remember enough to be able tospeak of it I know one year I
was at north shore and I meanit's crazy I might get choked up
like I was in.
I can't remember what wave Iwas in it was before.

(33:26):
I was like a faster amateur,like a faster normal person.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
I was back a little ways and there was a guy who was
kind of like looking you knowyou look around for those skates
.
All of a sudden I was like hehas no legs.
It was like a double amputeeUh-huh, skates and like I'm like
oh my gosh, and so in turn, andit was like a slow clap kind of
moment where, like, all thesepeople started clapping.

(33:51):
I don't know his story either,like, but oh my gosh, that was
the only year that I I saw him,but like that was the most
amazing yeah, thing

Speaker 2 (34:00):
ever I actually saw a video of a guy that is in a
wheelchair and he long boards.
He has like a special setup onthe long board to balance his
wheelchair on, so I'm trying toget him on too that would be
awesome.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
I have a friend I don't know, she's super busy,
she's a doctor, her name isBritt and she was from Florida.
So she did North Shore one yearso she had got cancer and so I
think she if I remember rightshe hadn't skated until she got
cancer and so she was doingchemotherapy and she came and

(34:35):
did North Shore.
She got special permission fromher doctor.
She had like a chemo treatmentright before she got there and
like her skates broke so she hadto buy like skates at the expo
the day before at the end of thenight, she bought these skates
that didn't fit her.
She fell down like three or fourtimes but did her first
marathon like on chemo andskates.

(34:57):
That didn't fit her like.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
There's just so many amazing yeah, stories, and now
whenever she gets a break herthing is.
She goes around the countrydoing like the rails to trails
okay you know, like the the olduh railroad tracks that they
make into like uh kind of biketrails yeah yeah, so she just
looks for a new one of those andjust yeah, she doesn't skate

(35:19):
very fast she just goes foreverand ever, you know nice and now
I think in our previousdiscussion before the show um,
you talked about how you runclinics and you had one with
victor thorcrup yeah, yeah,victor thorup, yep, uh, so yeah,
we I met, so I brought them uhinto north shore when I was

(35:41):
there.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Um, because, yeah, for anyone who doesn't know,
victor's a two-time Olympicspeed skater from Denmark.
His wife, sophia, is athree-time Olympic short track.
Victor's long track she wasshort track.
She was originally from Russiaand now she skates for Denmark.
I believe he also started offinlining and actually Pascal.

(36:08):
Brand from you know, formerworld champion, and he's like
the head of like the power slideteam.
He was actually one of hiscoaches when he was a kid.
He has a Victor has thisawesome YouTube channel and like
mods and stuff on social mediaand so he has this amazing
content for everything frombeginner skater inliner.

(36:28):
So, like you know, a veteranelite person, just lots of I
mean.
So I saw him because I starteddoing he has a thing called the
dry land Bible.
He didn't like that video muchbecause it was in his early days
.
But it's a super good deal.
I'll be in North Dakota, Iwould do it in the winter, right
days.
But it's a super good deal,I'll be in north dakota, I would
do it in the winter, right.

(36:48):
And so it's like it's like 20some minutes straight of dry
land drills.
Well, my, my legs would die.
So I made it into like a 45minute workout where I would do
like dry line drill, hit, pause,and then I would like do some
abs and pushups, do anotherdrill.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
So anyway, so I was a big Victor fan of all his
videos.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
So I reached out to him and I was like, hey, would
you ever come to the North ShoreMarathon?

Speaker 1 (37:11):
I just DM'd him on Instagram.
I'm like there's no way he'sgoing to answer and he actually
answered.
It was like oh that soundsreally cool, let's talk.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm talking to this
Olympic ice skating guy, and soyeah we worked out a way for him
to come to North Shore and himand Sophia came.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
And they did like a clinic and they showed up and
they just like they're like yeahthe night before.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
they're like skating around.
They're like, yeah, I haven'tbeen in lines in like three
months, you know, because it'sduring their ice season.
Yeah.
Roll out the plane and then Idon't remember who plays.
They both place sofia.
It was her first ever marathon.
Now she's a short track person,you know, and yeah yeah,
they're just insane humans.

(37:55):
So, anyways, um, then my wife isfrom guadalajara, so we're down
here and guadalajara has anamazing skate scene.
I've never been anywhere wherethere's this many skaters.
Um, so they have most bigcities in Mexico have like like
a bank track and they have likestate-sponsored speed skating,

(38:17):
right, yeah, so here they have.
It's called uh okay, I'm gonnascrew it up uh, via de Recre
recreation, right, so, like theday of recreation and downtown
they have they shut downkilometers and kilometers,
because I'm actually like askingkilometers, uh, and like like
three lanes and stuff, uh, uh,avenida guadalajara that has the

(38:40):
big arch so you can skatethrough the arch and it's all
closed to traffic for likerunners, cyclists, skaters, and
there's, there's like skateschools down here.
I'm friends, uh, with a groupcalled Erodar which is, I
believe there's, roller inSpanish, or wheel, one of the
two like teach people to skate.
They're like slalom skaters andstuff.

(39:02):
But they just teach people toskate and then, when they get to
a certain point, theirgraduation is they bring them
out.
Uh, the day of recreation andwe all skate at 9 am in this
huge group like no skater leftbehind style.
So anyways, on any given sundaydown here is at least 100
skaters oh, in any every sunday,and you can go and you see all

(39:25):
sorts of skaters just having fun, and so I told Victor.
I was like, hey, you know, wehave all these skaters down here
in Guadalajara like would youever want to come and do a
clinic?
I'm sure like a bunch of peoplewould love to do it.
So yeah, so they came and wemade a deal with them.
They came and they stayed atour house.
My wife and I picked them atthe airport and it was super fun

(39:48):
.
We went on a Friday night.
We had a couple hours just someon-skate stuff, and then we
went out to eat.
So part of the whole thing isyou sign up for the clinic and
you get to hang out with themtoo, and a lot of people here
kind of watch their videos onYouTube.
And then, like Saturday, we haddry land and then lunch and then

(40:11):
on-skate drills and then wewent downtown to Alahara and
there's this huge area wherethere's like cathedrals and
opera houses and museums, andthere's all this amazing street
food and all this stuff outside,and so we went down there again
just hanging out with a guyfrom Denmark, an Olympian from

(40:35):
Russia, you know, hanging outand there's this whole like
super nice, fun people, yeah,and then we had like another
skating session Sunday, and soagain, this is a long way but
it's really funny because victorhas this thing whenever he goes
somewhere he does like a videoof him doing like some dry land
drills and it's like guess whereI am, and so we were in the

(40:57):
cathedral and they still havelike church services there at
the cathedral.
They were having a wedding, andso I'm like, hey, how cool would
it be if you were doing dryland drills, like in the aisle
at the cathedral and behind youis like a wedding going on in
the cathedral and sofia was soembarrassed she's like I am

(41:18):
leaving, I am not a part of it,so and my wife was like this
this is embarrassing.
So I videotaped Victor and he'sdoing like one-legged, like
up-down dry land drills in themiddle of the cathedral.
And then later after dinner, wewere eating at a restaurant
that's right outside the operahouse and there was a graduation
ceremony going on.

(41:38):
So I said, hey, do you thinkthey would let Victor do a dry
land thing with their graduation?

Speaker 1 (41:44):
So our Mexican friends went over there.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
They talked to them they said, oh, there's this,
he's a Libyan from.
Denmark and.
I'm like, oh yeah, so it turnedout it was a bunch of like EMTs
graduating like university andthey're in caps and gowns and
like the professors were likecan we be in the video?
And then Victor, then dry landdrills in front of the

(42:08):
graduation.
Uh, so it was a super fun time.
And then they just said likehey, you know, this worked out
really well and you, you know,tavis, you like took care of,
like all the arrangements.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Would you want to like just kind of work with?

Speaker 3 (42:17):
us and maybe we can set up some drills when we have
or some clinics we have freetime and yeah.
So I say, oh, that's just aregular dude from north dakota
and now I know olympians and I'mworking with them on skating
stuff that sounds amazing, so wedid one recently in minneapolis
and roseville, okay, where theyhave like long track skating.

(42:38):
Uh, roseville, people wereamazing.
They let us use theirfacilities, um, advertise and
stuff, so we have a clinic there.
And then, uh, another one ortwo in the works for next year.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
But you definitely gotta let me know, because I
will be there oh, yeah, I will,yeah, yeah, well, you know.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
The other thing too is, yeah, this guy victor to
advertise yeah, big time on his,on his socials and stuff, but
again it's great because, um youknow, victor's whole philosophy
is like it's technique right,we're gonna learn technique.
It's not to be like superphysically demanding and be like
a huge workout.
There's definitely things thattest you right, because most

(43:18):
people don't spend half a daybeing on one leg, you know, or
working on their edges and stuff, but but the big thing is it's
like, it's really fun.
You can ask them questions andthey both have so much training.
Yeah, they can just likewhatever your technique issue is
, like, oh, try this or try thisand do this drill.

(43:39):
And then also you know you'renot just going and taking a
class and leaving.
You know again, we went out toeat like every night whoever was
free, and you just really getto hang out and know them.
And now you know we have abunch of people who can watch
the olympics and hopefullyvictor, I think he, I think he
almost has to do barely anythingto qualify yeah, he should be

(44:02):
at the olympics again, I guess Ithink based off his.
I think it's like the world cupstanding from last year or
something like that, but sohopefully yeah, I mean, they
just got to know victor andthey're gonna see him in the
olympics, so how cool is that,you know?

Speaker 2 (44:14):
it's very cool.
Yeah, my biggest influence hasbeen dan jansen, like way back
in the day, and he was actuallyI had him on episode number
eight so so I got to have DanJansen.
I've had Bonnie Blair, I've hadDavid Kruikshank, so I mean I'd
like to get some of the olderones too, just like, especially

(44:35):
since skating has evolved somuch, and some of the other
skaters that I've had on forlike jam skating and stuff, just
to find out how skating was inthe fifties and then the sixties
and the 70s.
So it's just that whole historyis just, it's just amazing to
to listen and learn fromeverybody.
So, but by the time you do yourthing, I'll, I'll have my
portable uh, portable um podcastset up, so I'll just bring that

(44:58):
with me I think dan and bonniewere they both before clap
skates.
Yes, I was actually.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
That's crazy.
I've done long track.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Age group national championship under my belt for
being an old guy on long track.
But like I can't imagine beingon fixed blades and doing long
track, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Well, dan actually tried the clap skates and he
actually talked about it alittle bit in the podcast
episode.
So how nowadays how the clapskates is, like shaved he goes.
You know, point tenth of asecond is huge in the skating
world as opposed to so, and howmuch time.
Just the new design I'veactually seen.
I don't know if they actuallyexist.

(45:43):
It could have been ai generatedbut a clap inline skate I I
talked to I haven't seenanything that?

Speaker 3 (45:51):
um, I talked to a guy who used to be a bootmaker and
he told me he'd think eventuallythere will be a frame that,
yeah, that will be either, like,even though not a clap, but
will adjust.
I don't know how he's explainingit, but he had this design.
I don't know how to do it yet,but it would adjust in some way

(46:13):
underneath you.
I don't know if it would maybehelp you be on your edges better
or something.
I haven't seen it, I don't know.
Unless you're on a bait tracker, I can't imagine a clap in line
or do anything, because they'reroad skates.
They're just running up corners.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yeah, I'll actually find the picture and send it to
you.
You'll trip when you see it.
I saw it and I'm like, but Ihaven't seen it like inline
warehouse, like none of the mainplaces have had it.
So I'm like, okay, maybe itreally doesn't exist, maybe it
was like a prototype.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Have you seen those like off-road skates?
Yes, off-road skates.
Yes, I want to get a pair.
I'm in denver.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Hello, oh yeah and there's like a handbrake, I
think, on a cord or somethingright?
No, those are actually theelectric ones.
They actually make electricinline skates now and then you
push the button and it gives you.
I was like, dude, give me thethe speed skates, I'll just
cruise through the marathon,like that yeah, no, I had a
friend that tried the off roadones, and he said it's pretty

(47:15):
tough, so he lives in by theloose and he does a lot of
mountain biking.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
I think he said if you have a really hard packed
trail and you were starting upand mostly going downhill, he
said it was super sketchy andthere's just times that it just
like didn't roll.
But I haven't tried it.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
And they're bigger wheels.
They even have wheels biggerthan 125 millimeters and they're
inflatable.
They're rubber, yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
They're not solid, I don't know.
Yeah.
But, I mean you couldn't havemeal-free meals and be doing
that?

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Have you seen the ODR skis?
It's just like the boot.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
So if you're a skater , it'd be perfect because it's
just the boots, the bottom ofthe ski.
Oh, it's like a skate ski, likewith wheels.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
No, no wheels, it's designed for snow yeah there's a
company called odr skis whereit doesn't stick out past the
boot.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
It's just the bottom of the boot so I think I an old
version of that, because peoplewere like doing like tricks and
stuff and I do want to get apair.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
So you need to come out here next year um next
winter, because we're actuallyplanning on doing ice skates on
the?
Um lakes up in the mountains ohthat.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
That would be amazing .

Speaker 3 (48:41):
I see videos all the time uh, because you know you
need it to freeze yeah reallykind of quick and then like no
snow and I've seen peopleskating where it's just like
it's glass there's a guy I don'twant to say his name he's a
former like Olympic medalist.
He lives in Milwaukee area andI think it's called Wild Ice he

(49:03):
has like a go on Facebook orsomething Wild Ice and that's
what he does in the winter.
Now, I think, he mostly likekids and stuff, but then in the
winters he goes around and whenthere's like a good freeze or
something that's what he does hetakes his skates out and skates
like lakes and there was.
I was bummed out because therewas one year when I was living
in Madison I showed the Madisonscouts for five years and I

(49:32):
think he came out and he skatedlike across lake monona.
Okay, you know, and thennormally, there's just too much
like snow and bumps and stuff,but yeah, so I think he posts
like hey, this is the lake atthis time, like, yeah, that
would be, that would be amazing.
The only thing I think I'd haveto get.
I think it's called like anordic skate but I would be
worried, like I have long trackand short track blades yeah this
Madison Speed Skating Club inWisconsin.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
I would just be worried, especially my long
track blades.
They're so thin that.
I think you need, I think youcall it a Nordic skate or
something.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
It's like a thicker blade, okay, or something right.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Not sure.
I haven't done it, so we willget more details and we will put
everything together for nextyear.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
So we will get more details and we will put
everything together for nextyear.
There's like some of my Germanfriends.
They met when I do Berlin.
I've been to Berlin like fivetimes, so I met a bunch of
German people and one of myGerman friends there.
I can't remember where they'reit's like where they skate the
canals.
I think it's like a hundredkilometer ice skating race the

(50:32):
canals.
I think it's like a hundredkilometer ice skating race, um,
and I think it used to be heldactually like on a frozen river
and canals, but now climatechange or something like they do
some of it in some canals orsomething in other parts they
they freeze a big sheet of iceor something kind of like the
racing.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I don't know because I mean like I remember, like
seeing.
I don't know if you rememberseeing like old posters, like
hans christian anderson havinglike a speed skating race and
stuff oh no, I never saw that,but I mean that's, it's
somewhere like.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
It's somewhere like northern europe yeah,
scandinavian country, I thinkwhere they go to yeah so I think
she did it last year okay allmy friends, I are faster than me
.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
I know all my friends are At my age and, with my
issues, I skate to stay ashealthy as I possibly can.
I'm the only one I got to beat.
I'm my own worst enemy when itcomes to stuff.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
I was just talking to a friend because we were
talking about Apostle my.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
thing was like let's get a good group together the
possible.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Like normally, it breaks up pretty, pretty quickly
and yeah, and you just like, ifyou start like in a pro or like
advanced wave, like there'slike someone that's going like
30 miles, 30, some miles an hourand I can look down like yeah,
like I can't go 33 miles an hour, so I'm just gonna like fall
off now.
So we kind of fall off instages, right, yeah, and I was

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talking to him because I waslike, let's just get a good
group from the beginning let'sjust be like everyone skate 20
miles an hour.
As soon as you slow down, justrotate out the.
Front and uh, you know he'slike, oh, but he skates for a
place, right?
He's like I care about places.
Oh, I said I don't care I justwant.
I want a good ride, I want agood time, like I want to get my

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best time or get under acertain time.
I just I plus I go to themarathon so I don't skate alone.
Right, that's what I meanberlin used to be so amazing at.
That's what duluth is so goodat apostle.
Now they've made some reallynice changes that keep people
together longer and it's beengrowing.
So I mean, yeah, likeespecially.
North Shore there'll be timeslike advance one a one wave.

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Sometimes we'd have it must belike 100 people.
So like you'd have this bigtrain of people and like the
front of the of the group of thedraft line is going up a hill
and the back is still going downand so you're just like train
cars getting squished and it'sall like finally awesome.
It was so much fun and you knowlike berlin it used to be,

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you're never alone yeah go offthe group.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
You didn't wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
You waited seconds and there was another group to
pick you up and that's why theyalways have such consistently
fast time.
It's just, it was just bang,bang, bang.
But, like again, you can do awhole marathon and never pull.
You know you can never leaveyour pack and do the whole
marathon and have, like, yourbest time just by hanging out in
the middle of the draft line soyeah, I, I want a good ride, I

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want a a good time.
So yeah, just when I skatealone.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
I just, I just want to get better every year.
That's my goal.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Well, that's one of the great things about skating
Like, unless you're like one ofthe like a really elite level
person right that learning oryoung and you're like a freak in
your twenties most people arethe fastest, I think their 40s,
50s and sometimes 60s a lot ofpeople because you just if you
keep learning, technique.
You keep getting more and moreefficient right and then and if

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you do races you learn kind ofbetter strategy and stuff.
Um, you also get to know people, you get in good groups.
But then also I think one thingthat happens there were some
women I always used to.
I escaped like two years in arow when it was the Minnesota
half, like the 11 mile escapenow I escaped with women and
they left, let me draft withthem and they were super nice

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and afterwards we're talking andthey're like well, yeah, like
most of them.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
I think they had some in their 40s, 50s and like one
or two in their 60s and theysaid well, when you're in your
when you're younger.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
If you have a family, you have kids you don't have
enough time right yeah youshould get that, but then, by
the time you're 40s, your kidsare graduating, they're off to
college.
You have more free time andyour 50s and 60s you get like
retirement and so like.
If you keep working on yourtechnique, eventually you get
more and more free time and justbam, all of a sudden you're

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faster.
I just don't know too manysports where you can
consistently get faster as youget older, like just and with no
impact.
You know, we don't needproblems like yeah, our backs
get sore, but that's 95 percentof the time it's because we have
a technique issue right, so weimprove our technique.
My back never doesn't hurt, butit hurts less right, Like the

(55:19):
better my knee yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I've got a really good massage therapist.
She's also a pro boxer.
I always say she's the onewoman I love.
That can make me cry withoutsaying a word.
But then at the same time, it'slike love, hate.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
I hate her and I love her at the same time.
So now, what do you do?
Like dry land drills oron-skate drills?
Have you learned any drillsthat you do besides like just
going on speed?

Speaker 2 (55:45):
yeah, I've actually been doing following Victor,
learning from him, and then JoeyManchia, manchia, manchia yeah,
he puts some out too.
So I kind of combine it andthen I've kind of come up with
my own stuff.
I call them skater squats.
You take the BOSU ball and youflip it upside down.

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So I have a thing called a gymboss.
So it's an interval timer.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
So I'll put one minute down, like in, like all
the way in the position for oneminute, like the ball is down
and you're standing on the flatpart, right yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:21):
And I do most of that for ankle strength and I can't
tell you it's greatly improvedmy ankle strength.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Oh, that's, that's true.
I used to do that too.
I did that and then I also dolike one way and balance on.
I put the flat part down andbalance on the top part of like
the okay one leg, because thenI'm constantly having to flex
because it's the stability.
It's basically half a stabilityball, so you got to get your own
stability yeah, or like whatyou just said, where like the

(56:49):
ball parts down and the flatparts down I would try to do
like one-legged squats, okay,like I tried to like, and you
just learn like I have to goreally slow to maintain my
stability, but also the sloweryou go, the more it's burning
and yeah, all that stuff is likesuper good.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
And then I have a thing called a mass suit, which
is like the elastic bands, butit wraps around your wrist, it
wraps around your elbow, itwraps around your knee, it wraps
around your ankles, so, and ithas different resistance bands.
So you can actually use itdoing dry land stuff.
But it's in storage inCalifornia and I'm waiting to
get back there to get it out andyou can actually put it on

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while you skate.
So it's like skating withweight training.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Is that the thing?

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Victor uses?
Have you seen that In some ofhis videos he has these bands
and he hooks?

Speaker 3 (57:37):
up on his waist and stuff and he does dry land and
some woodwork it might be.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
It's a full harness so it connects everywhere.
So if you do weight trainingyou can add extra resistance
from bands for like bench pressand different stuff like that.
So I mean, I actually know theowner of the company, became
friends with him, I met him at afit expo many years ago and
finally got the suit and thenwhen I moved out here I had what
I could load in my car and therest is in storage.

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Now that I'm back to skating,it's like I need to go back, get
it and bring it back here.
So and Then I have the ironneck, but as far as skating goes
I won't have a lot, but it'llactually build really strong
neck muscles.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Oh, that's how I think.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
MMA fighters and stuff, yeah, and it'll get rid
of the double chin as we getolder, so just got to bring it
out here just for the recordthat's funny.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
That's the thing that most skaters don't do, like for
tips for people who are likegetting into skating.
You know, most people just wantto put on their skates and just
go out right like that's why weall started skating we'd like
trail or go on this quiet roador whatever, and we just
meditate in the wind.
But like man, if you can getpeople to do some dry land, but

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like, go to again, go to SkateBarn, go to a Victor Clinic,
like you know, or just even justgo online.
You know, I mean when I wasstarting out again, there was
nothing online.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
The internet was like brand new kind of I didn't even
have internet, so you wereahead of me.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean, like I know again, um,
richard met from that racing.
He had some gifts right of,like these step-by-step thing
showing his feet on, like how hecan learn to do double push and
like I tried doing that, andthen, um, but yeah, but now
there's so much good content.
Especially victor has so much.
You just go to his and justlearn so much.

(59:24):
But like people need to if youwant to get a, better skater or
even um, I taught a speedskating class a couple of them
here in kawalahara and um one ofmy friends later we were
skating and I said you know, didthat, do learn anything like
that help you at all?
He said oh, he said actually Iused to get really bad back pain
, but now my back doesn't hurtlike and he's like a

(59:46):
recreational skater.
I was like that is amazing,like that's the best thing ever,
like you don't have to do thedrills just because you want to
be this insanely fast speedskater, right.
But yeah learning to be on oneleg, having that stability like
yeah, getting you know theeither.
The show the shoulder, knee,toe triangle like just learning.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
You know weight transfer, and then, yeah, just
you know having your nose oryour your knees over your toes,
like all those little things.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
It's amazing if you just take some time do some
drills and then you're skating,take some time to go slow, right
and just even victor.
The last clinic he said likehow long can you really focus a
hundred percent on one thing?
It's's like I don't know.
It's like for me is it maybe 50, some seconds right.
So like okay, so that's what Itook back and so I started doing

(01:00:38):
like one minute intervals,right, where I'm not going fast,
I'm just I'm trying to skate,perfect, right, I'm picking like
one or two things.
Victor said I need to slow downmy recovery leg right.
So I'm trying to slow down myrecovery leg and I'm trying to
put it down like a leg right.
So I'm thinking about those twothings and I'm just skating not
very fast but just as perfectas I can be for about a minute

(01:01:01):
right, and then I stand up and Ijust rest for a minute right,
and then I skate for a minute,but like if you take a little
bit of time to go slow.
After I do that, I then go andI try some Tabata.
Are you familiar with Tabata?

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
I skate from like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
oh, so it was actually invented, I believe by
a.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Japanese speed skating coach.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
But like the hip world uses it a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
It's like 20 seconds all out, 10 second rest, 20
seconds hard, 10 second rest andyou do like six or eight or ten
, and then you take a breakright and do it again so I would
do like some technique work,like that victor, like okay, a
minute perfect skating.
I would do like two sets oftabata and then like like six

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times of like 20, 10, 20, 10,take a break, do it again.
It was amazing.
All of a sudden my techniquewhen I'm trying to go fast is
like way better and I'm goingfaster doing less work, just
because I spent like all thattime focusing on like technique
for a short period of time andlike not going out for 10 miles

(01:02:08):
you can't be perfect for 10miles like yeah, or 11 or 26 you
know, I heard a good advice onetime right to like uh, um,
practice doesn't make perfectright, perfect practice makes
perfect right, so you have tohave.
But once you know, and uh, aguy told me one time like when

(01:02:29):
you go out and skate yeah,skate's the best of your ability
.
But when you feel your formbreaking down, right, and you
have to start kind of cheating,at whatever level you are,
you'll hit that point stop right, because if you're training
like that, you're reinforcingthose bad patterns as bad habits
, right and so um.
But when it's a race, then youdo whatever it takes to get to

(01:02:54):
the finish line right, yeah ifyou have a skate on your hands
or whatever, like just just getto the end, like you can throw
all that out.
But I thought that was reallygood advice yeah, definitely um.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
So now the important questions.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Oh, okay, I hope it's not getting too dark here.
I'm losing some light.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
No, it's fine.
What is your skate setup?
Bearings, wheels, frame, boots.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
So I have Simmons Custom Speed Boots.
I spent a long time.
I don't know if you canpronounce it right, but it's
Lugino or Lugino.
I have Lugino struts for a longtime.
Oh, I don't know.
I don't.
I don't know if you pronounceit right.
It was Louie Gino or Gino.
I have Louie Gino struts for along time.
I had power slide like C foursback in the day and R twos.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
And yeah, so I had a lot of power slides and and
Louis Gino's, but the problem isI don't have stock shape.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
I have a really wide toe box, like really wide at the
end too, like not always that,and then like my ankle, like my
heel back when I feel gets likesuper narrow, and so I just have
time for like I was literallylike screaming on the side of
the road right and just are likein tears because it hurts so
bad I I cannot find boots, nomatter how much I keep molding
them and modify them.
So finally I just I startedasking people that I saw custom
skates and simmons was like whata lot of people were on and

(01:04:14):
they loved them.
So I had.
I got simmons boots and savedmy life as a skating.
You know, uh, pinnacle, I know,uh jimmy blair, and pinnacle is
a great friend of miami linemarathon.
He makes amazing boots as wellfor ice and for inline.
Um, I just you know, the simmonswere the first ones I learned
about it um, so I have I do havecustom boots because it saved

(01:04:37):
my life and I also.
If stock boots fit your feet,for the love of god, just be
happy.
Don't make a change if yourfeet feel good.
Um, so I do have expensiveboots, and then the funny thing
is now.
I used to be a major um snobfor bearings.
I used to buy like super fancybearings.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Just get ruined all the time because I skate in the
rain, or whatever and I'm notI'm not a gearhead, I don't like
lube it perfectly, I just so.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Now I just get like ilq9, whatever like the 40 50
bearings are like a nice,whatever like the 40 50 swiss
bearings are.
Yeah, I skate and it getscruddy and whatever I carry wb40
with me and I just spray themand then when I get home I spray
them some more.
Uh for the first time ever Iactually before that 11 mile

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skate my bearings were trashed.
I skated in the rain, or likeright after the rain in
Minneapolis, because I wastrying to get some time in
before the race because I hadfoot surgery and I hadn't been
on my skate spell.
So my bearings were barelymoving.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
So I.
Wd-40'd them got them to moveand then some friend had given,
given me the speed lube and Iput a couple drops in.
I just get cheap bearings.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
But what I do spend money on is good wheels.
I always get the dual durometeror dual core.
Black magics, red magics myfirst one I had was boom magics.
I don't know if they make thoseanymore.
I had road reapers, some junk.
Those were phenomenal too Forme.
I'm going to spend the goodmoney on the wheels, the money

(01:06:16):
on the good wheels, but I just Igo just bearings get trashed
yeah.
I bought a pair of like.
I got a really good deal like$300 bearings one year and I got
them for like 150 bucks and Ibrought them to Berlin.
It was like my first race touse them.
It freaking rained.
We're in torrential downpourfor half an hour before it even

(01:06:38):
starts and then you're stuck inBerlin.
We don't have I don't have anyWD-40.
I don't have any clean.
They're trash.
I got to use them for one raceand it does money out the door.
So I said never again.
It's just cheap bearings for me.
Okay, uh, my helmets I do likerudy project.
Uh, both in miami and mymarathon we have a discount.
But any.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Anyone signs up for miami can get rudy project
discounts.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Uh, the team I skate with team skate hard.
We're rudy sponsored um, sothey have really, really great
helmets I didn't think helmetsmattered uh, until I got my
first rudy helmet and then Ijust realized like it's so light
.
You know, I don't.
I don't know if a helmet makesyou faster, right, because I
think if I just ate one lesscheeseburger I'm probably faster

(01:07:24):
, but it's just so light andcomfortable.
Like sometimes I'll be gettingin my car after skating, I'll
bump my head because I'll forgetmy helmet's on yeah, so yeah
and then my polar watch and justsome polarized sun.
I like my.
I always skate with sunglassesyeah, me too, you know I just
don't air going into my eye oh Iagree it's raining it's where

(01:07:48):
you get the good ones, so youcan see in the rain too.
So I know I'm not that, I'm notthat fancy.
Again, I'm not a good likegearhead I did skate going on
the river one year and we had afog.
The pictures are amazing yeahfinish line pictures people
coming out of the fog.
But yeah, we were like I'lllike take a glass off or not,

(01:08:09):
and we started skating and theyjust got fogged up and wet and
then we just had to like shovethem in our skin suits and it
was like, yeah, reallycomfortable I do like oakley's,
I wear oakley's and they gotlike a new one that the whole,
the whole um lens actuallycovers your nose too.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
So you don't have that nose piece and it'll cover.
So it kind of makes your facemore aerodynamic so I do have
both of these as well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
I think they're called whole jackets, I don't.
I don't like the ones who likethe lens kind of sits in your
eye and so yeah, and the thingis they wrap all the way around.
It's the old school like Idon't think they make them
anymore.
I just keep buying lenses onAmazon.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
You know and like, yeah, and new nose pieces.
But again, I like, I like thedark and I like I.
Just I don't like seeingsomething coming in from the
sides.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
So now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
So who was your biggest influence for skating?

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Oh, I mean, yeah, like growing up I didn't have
any until, yeah, I went to askate farm when I was 30, so
that was like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
So I for me it would definitely be Eddie, just
because, like skate farm, for mewas like life-changing until
then, like I was like kind ofmore of a things.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Person like I like cars and TVs and like.
I never took trips, I neverspent money on trips, right, and
then that was like my firsttime traveling anywhere really
on my own, and I just did it.
And then I met these otherpeople who were just like crazy
hippie skaters.
I love to travel no one's inthailand, and so yeah, probably
eddie, and just you know Ilearned so much technique, but

(01:09:43):
it's also just.
You can kind of spot people thatare skate farmers.
We're just like a, you're justkind of part of a fraternity
because they're genuinely peoplethat just love skating, they
love travel and they love people.
So I just felt like it's justlike this really hippie skater
love vibe thing and uh.
So I just think I picked that upand I always just think of like

(01:10:04):
eddie's such a good ambassadorfor the sport.
He'll talk to you know, he cantalk to Olympians.
He'll talk to whoever.
My thing too, is like reallyeven in a race if you're like
lacing up your skates.
You're like North shore, likeyou have these like a mile of
chairs Right and sorry it's along explanation, but one of my
early races I was tying up my mylaces.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Right, and so I.
I was like 230 pounds.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
I was a lot bigger, I was like 50 pounds heavier than
I am now.
I had floppy shorts, t-shirt,an old bike helmet.
I'm tying up my skates and myfreaking laces break.
I'm like, oh my gosh, what do Ido?
There's this guy next to me.
He's like, oh, what's wrong?
I'm like, oh my gosh, and like,there's this guy next to me,
he's like oh, what's wrong it'slike my legs just broke, like I

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don't know what I'm gonna do,and he is in like a skin suit,
right, and so for me, I don'tknow, he's like an Olympian,
right, he is like this wholeother.
He's got.
He's got, you know, the carbonfiber boots, like big wheels,
like everything he's like.
Oh, I always keep a spare, hereyou go, and it was just like so
cool, and so I always lovethose moments too.

(01:11:14):
I had a couple where someone'slike come up and ask, because
I'm a skinsuit person too, right, yeah, super fast, I'm just,
but I'm like a skinsuit personwith the fancy boots, and
someone will come up and like,hey, can I ask you a question,
is it okay?
I'm like, yeah, absolutely, andso I love.
I just think a lot of that.
Skate farmers are like that andthat's kind of an Eddie vibe.

(01:11:34):
And also, too, I think Eddie'sthing is like he doesn't drive
somewhere to skate, it's like no, I'll just skate across the
grass, skate down a gravel roaduntil I get to the you know,
until I get to the trail or theroad, and so that was really
something that I took with mebecause I was like I always we

(01:11:55):
drive to like a bike path andput in your skates and has to be
perfect and then like you know,after that, my first time in in
Berlin, um, I went to, uh Itook a train, I think, to um
Dresden and I'm in Dresden andit's like, and I just put on my
skates and I went skate scene.
I was, I drafted behind a cablecar, I was just skating, you

(01:12:16):
know, skating over cobblestonesand stuff, and like I saw the
whole city from my skates.
It wasn't for Eddie, like Iwouldn't have been that kind of
adventurous skater, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
So yeah, it's gotta be be eddie, yeah, for sure okay
, cool.
And now what is your advice toupcoming skaters?

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
so is this?
Is this just someone gettinginto skating?
Is this a rec person that wantsto be?

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
well, you can give any advice you want, but
especially for speed skating,because I have so many different
styles on here For speedskating.
What would be your advice?

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
for someone who wants to do it, I'm going to say
instead of speed skating, I'mgoing to say someone that wants
to get better at marathons.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
So many people jump into speed boots like the carbon
fiber, the hard shell, and theyshouldn't.
Don't get me wrong, I live in myspeed skates and I love the
custom boot guys.
But so many people get a speedskate and then they go out once

(01:13:24):
a week or twice a week and it'snot fun anymore.
Their feet hurt, their anklesare wobbly and it's like if
you're hurt, you know theirankles are wobbly and it's like
if you're going to put speedskates on, you need to spend
time doing drills.
You need to be with dry landand in your skates, even just
like being on one leg, trybalancing on one leg and like
because you don't have anysupport from that boot.

(01:13:47):
Right, yeah, it comes from yourpositioning, your balance and
your strength and stability andhaving your body in the right
place at all times.
So I always say, if you'regoing to skate at least two or
three times a week, andespecially if you're willing to
go into a parking lot when youget your speed skates and spend

(01:14:08):
20 minutes or whatever a fewtimes a week in a parking lot
doing some drills look at somevictor joey drills.
Do some drills.
Put in some work in a parkinglot going slow before you try to
go out on the trail because ifyou just buy speed skates and
they're like I'm gonna go skate10 50 miles.
You're gonna have blisters,you're gonna have pain,

(01:14:29):
everything's gonna hurt.
So either get a good rec bootyou know that a higher boot get
a light one, get one.
If you're going to do a recboot, get one that you can take
off the frame and move the frame, because as you get better the
rec boots that are bolted on,there's going to come a point
where you say that's not theright position for me, right.
And so if you get one that youcan change the frame, that means

(01:14:53):
you can adjust the frame as youget better and more technique
and start off on a smaller wheel.
Get better technique and nowyou can keep your nice comfy
boot and you can buy a new framewith bigger wheels.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
So that's what I would say.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Try reference first, unless you're really going to be
dedicated, get a frame that youcan take off, so the skate
grows with you.
If you're going to go intospeed skates, you need to take
time in a parking lot or on atrail going slow and doing
drills, Otherwise you're goingto quit skating.
I've just seen so many peoplethat just don't have fun because

(01:15:31):
they were told, especiallythey're told they have to be on
125s.
So the other thing is for peoplethat don't know I skate on 110s
.
I've tried 125 multiple times.
I tested myself.
I'm slower on 125s, I have ahigher top speed, but eventually
I just fatigue faster and myform breaks down.
So especially something like amarathon.
For me it doesn't work.

(01:15:53):
So if you're someone that wantsto try 125s, test them and be
honest with yourself.
Put a clock to it.
You know and see are you fasterBecause at the you know when we
talk about North Shore I see alot of people, when we get
towards limit, drop their ankles, are doing this A lot of like

(01:16:15):
and these are people like anadvanced one, or even the back
of the elite pack should not beon one 25.
They're not losing the race forsomeone's faster it's.
They're getting slower at theend of the race.
So, sorry Long answers, but Ihave too much advice.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Not at all, so I actually skated on 125s at the
11 mile.
I'm actually going to switchand try the four wheel, because
I do have four wheel 110s.
So, I'm going to try that atthe next one.
But, piggybacking on what yousaid, K2 actually makes a four
wheel 110 frame with a boot likethe full boot, but then when

(01:16:50):
you get to a certain point youcan remove the top part of the
boot for lower.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Oh, I mean, I have um , so the uh, the owner of FR, I
believe, uh, Sebastian, so hiswife is from um Guadalajara, so
they have here, so I have somefr for, like my for my
recreational skates, becausealso it's not fun to go slow and

(01:17:14):
speed skates.
Yeah, cars, I just got the cheapones, but I know too it's
pretty cool.
They make um, like the nextmodel up from mine.
They have, you know, like thecup, so there's a bolt and you
can loosen the bolt and so youcan actually adjust the cup
forward more.
Okay, get into like more speedskating.
Yeah, it puts you in thecorrect position to get lower.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
So I thought and then it's lighter so again there I
roller blade.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
I know I can't remember it's a twist or
whatever.
I think you know all the bigones have kind of a boot like
that.
That's made for someone whowants to have fun most of the
time.
You know, maybe you want to dosome group skate with some
friends, but then if you want totry doing a marathon or some
more distance, you know they'rea little bit more adjustable
yeah, so now, how can mylisteners follow you?

(01:18:04):
oh so I'm at skate with tabas oninstagram.
Uh, I don't know about oldpeople, they can just look up my
name on facebook.
Uh, I should be the only tabastrozen out there you are yeah,
yeah, yeah, for sure, I'm theonly tabas anyone will ever meet
, um, but then the big thing islike check out.

(01:18:24):
Uh, you know, the miami inlinemarathon is like the most
important.
Like our socials, miami InlineMarathon.
You can find us.
Our website is justmiamiinlinemarathoncom.
We're trying to post more andmore content.
We have a bunch of videoscoming out that we took from the
11-mile skate different skill,different ability level, people

(01:18:46):
giving advice for early skaters,which is a lot of people out
there.
It's really cool.
All the races are growing inthe united states and they're
getting younger, which is reallycool.
The average age is ours inmiami is below 40.
It's in the 30s no sure, yeah,it's younger too, so um yeah so
yeah, we'll have lots of advicethere, and then we also have

(01:19:07):
some videos coming out.
Uh, just wait for the send them.
But hako mantia, multi-timeworld champion from colombia, uh
is going to be doing somedrills and I'm going to be doing
some videos with some, uh,elite, elite skaters in north or
an apostle, and so we're goingto put those videos out too,
just like asking them for sometechnique or some tips.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
So okay, very cool.
And just to toot my own horn, Iam in one of those videos
giving advice, so all thatadvice is good advice.
So, um well, I appreciate youcoming on the show today and it
was a pleasure meeting you, andI look forward to doing more
stuff with you in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Absolutely.
Thank you so much.
Uh, sorry for some long answers, but I know it's good.
Those are my short answers.
Actually, that was me editingmyself, sorry.
I get excited about skating.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
So do I, and that's why I started a podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Awesome, awesome you, thank you, thank you.

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