In today's security landscape, decisive leadership often matters more than technical expertise. Caleb Barlow, CEO of Cyberbit, brings a seemingly unconventional but surprisingly common perspective to security incident response, drawing from his background as an EMT and firefighter, where he learned to make consequential decisions with limited data.
His conversation with Ben on this episode of Human Element reveals why the underwhelming decision-making by executive teams during a breach often causes more damage than the threat actor — a stark reality Caleb witnessed firsthand when a CISO asked for PowerPoint slides for next Thursday's meeting during an active breach.
From building commercial cyber ranges that create muscle memory through repetition to explaining why 80-90% of CISOs share backgrounds in military, law enforcement, or emergency response, Barlow illuminates how security professionals must develop crisis decision-making skills through experiential learning rather than relying solely on theoretical knowledge.
Stories We’re Telling Today:[35:29-35:54] “We've got some tough competition, we've got a great product, but man, there's going to be some tough days. There's going to be some tough quarters. So you better be all in for the mission or there's going to be a Tuesday where you're like, ‘Oh, this is just too hard.’ And if you're not, if you're not really after that success factor, know what it is, and want to work together as a team, then it's not the right place for you.”
Listen to more episodes:
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Special Summer Offer: Exclusively on Apple Podcasts, try our Dateline Premium subscription completely free for one month! With Dateline Premium, you get every episode ad-free plus exclusive bonus content.