H.Y.S.T? | S1E12 | Drowning Mona & Toys - H.Y.S.T?

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All right, I say we start with Drowning Mona. I'm all for that, yes. Yes. What a

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film. What a movie. This movie actually turned out to be better than I
remembered it. You know what? Same. Completely the same. Same for toys, by
the way, as well. Mm-hmm. Before we get into it, there is something that we
probably should do. Oh, introduce ourselves? A little bit. Yeah, maybe we ought to do
that. Welcome to Heist. I'm Bradly Hackworth, joined by Jonathan

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Ems, co-host and author. This week we are covering Drowning Mona and toys. We're
gonna jump right into Drowning Mona because this one was way too much to talk
about. Way too fun, way too good. This is one of those movies where you kind of
wonder, like, wait, why isn't this more of a classic? Why isn't this brought up more?

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Like, this absolutely is, like, just the star power and the subject matter and
then and just the absolute wackiness behind it. You're just like, Jesus, why,
why aren't the kids talking about this one? Well, Doc, this was your choice, so
why don't you give us the synopsis? So basically, in this you've got a small

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town, small upstate New York town, quiet place, cops there are barely cops, that
is so quiet, and then Bette Midler's character, Mona Dearly, drives her car
off a cliff into the river and drowns and dies and as the movie unfolds we find

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out that she was actually an absolutely terrible horrible person and literally
everyone in town wanted her dead and it looks like she was murdered because not
only were her brakes cut but also the brake fluid was drained and like
literally it looked like eight people all attacked her car to make it to make
it crash in one way or another and so it's like the whole town is suspect and

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Danny DeVito, I forgot Danny DeVito was in this movie, but Danny DeVito is the
the chief of police in this town and he's the one just trying to put it all
together and as he's putting it all together he's finding out that this
woman, Mona Dearly, tortured everybody in her life and absolutely deserved to die.
Oh god. Absolutely. And somehow in all of this the movie's funny, like this is a

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comedy, this movie is a fucking comedy about some of the worst people in the
world. Oh I was absolutely rolling through so many parts of this movie. Oh
yeah. I mean oh my god okay so just gonna get into it.
Drowning Mona written by Peter Steinfeld directed by Nick Gomez starring Danny
DeVito, Bette Midler, Nev Campbell, Jamie Lee Curtis,

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oh yeah oh my god, and William Fickner which another character actor that we
were talking about, we talked about Sam Rockwell pretty recently, William Fickner
is another one of those everybody knows his face but his name gets escaped. Yeah
absolutely. Well I'll tell you what's crazy, what's crazy about this movie, I

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don't know because it's so early in their careers but Will Ferrell and Melissa
McCarthy, thank you, Melissa McCarthy, Will Ferrell and Melissa McCarthy are
both in this movie and it's so early on in their careers that neither of their
names are in the opening credits. That's how new they are here. I mean Will
Ferrell was already established, he was already on his cameo run and everything

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like that. I did not know who Melissa McCarthy was at this time. I don't know, I
forgot to check the year on this in Gilmore Girls but I don't know which one
of these came first and Melissa McCarthy was an unknown very shortly before this.
Yeah. Like I said neither of their names are in the opening credits and

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like yeah. I thought she wasn't even gonna have a line in the entire movie, I
thought she was just gonna be Will Ferrell's girlfriend until she had a
line. I was like wow, there was some immediate brilliance to this
movie and I didn't catch it so I'm glad Kelly was watching it with me because

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she's the one who pointed it out to me. There's some beginning like non-exposition
about a car factory that like had a bunch of these things that went to this town.
The Yugo, yes. Yeah so what they were able to do is they were able to use this made
up car brand and they were... It's not made up. Yugo is a real car. The version that they

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made I thought that was... That was a real thing. Those cheap-ass shitty cars that
were so cheap and so bad they were literally the butt of the of the bad
car joke for 30 years. The Yugo. Literal real thing. I do remember hearing

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of them but I literally I thought they were a joke. I thought that was a made-up
concept for this movie so they could just rip the the tags off GeoMetro's
and put on different emblems. That way they wouldn't have to pay any kind of... Because that's what I thought it was.
I thought that they did that so they wouldn't have to pay any branding or any...

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Right see when I first saw this movie I remember thinking that this was...
The other way around is that they were able to reduce their budget by just
getting a bunch of trashed Yugo's and using those instead of having to get any
real cars and they put that explanation in as to why everyone in town is
driving a Yugo including the cop cars. The cop cars were Yugo's.

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They were able to not have to... They got all of these cars cheap
because the Yugo car was literal fucking garbage. It was practically
made of cardboard. It was an absolute crap car and so they were able to get a
fleet of cars for this movie for next to nothing by just coming up with some dumb
reason why they're all Yugo's. That was my take when I first saw this movie in

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the theaters but no Yugo's were a real real thing sadly.
I have completely... I completely forgot about them but yeah it's coming back to
me now that you're talking about that. Damn. I thought that was like yeah when
she pointed that out I thought that was a brilliant thing and then I was like
that's so cool I'm gonna put that in my notes. I'm dumb. You're young that's all.

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We had forgotten about the Yugo by you know like I think this was like the
last gasp like we had largely forgotten the Yugo existed and then this movie
came out and then we finally forgot for good so you know that was it. This was
the last big Yugo joke. I guess so. Now Bette Midler coming out
already looking like she's having a bad day which we kind of find out that is

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her persona. Mona's persona is a shitty day. Yep. She's a walking talking shitty
day for sure. Yeah and then she gets in the car she's off cruising around like
obviously she's she doesn't had her brakes at all she doesn't even notice
that there's no brakes available on this thing until she's already too late. Dips

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right into the river by Mona. Just mm-hmm. Yep and that even seems to be
the take like there is a witness to the crash. There is someone sitting there on
on a bridge fishing watching the car go into the water and the look on his face
is well ain't that a shame. Yeah how does he describe that because that's Trevor

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well hell we'll get there. The cops never picking up the phone that is a
trope in just probably every single movie I mean how like you ever seen like
it go and they pick it up right away unless it's a Ghostbusters movie. Yeah
not that I can recall sure yeah. No that is just a very constant man. But here

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they even kind of play that it is kind of like that's the kind of town this is
like there are no emergencies ever in this town. If the phones ringing the cops
station it's it's yeah there it's probably not a big deal if you go if you
don't answer it. Yeah and speaking to that there are they're arguing like you
don't even know what the codes are for these things like the chief of police he

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doesn't even know what these things are because right except that one dude. Yeah
there's got to be one. Yeah the dude who shows up to like the like he's like
super gung-ho and everything like yeah you always got it you always got to have
one. But man I'm so used to Danny DeVito doing comedy that when he shows up and

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he actually plays the straight man like every time he's on I'm captivated and I'm
like shit man sometimes I forget how good of an just actual actor he is
because he is funny like comedian comic comical actor incredible just an actor
yeah also incredible yep like it's just been so long like he's been doing like

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yeah but the interesting is he's even doing like a kind of more subtle form of
comedy because in this movie he essentially is the he's the straight
man to this entire town full of nutballs but even he's a little off you know
because there's the constant response yeah go ahead go ahead well it's like you
know it's like we're introduced to him he's the he's a cop and he's talking

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about musicals you know you know he's like oh it was no West Side Story like
they're like he's clearly like not your average police chief right off the bat
but even an even then you know he's he's the most normal guy in the entire town
for sure 100% Casey Affleck showing off those landscaping skills and then holy

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frickin hell right out of the gate we find out what a awful Jeff is an
absolute piece of shit out of the gate no questions asked like we know what
kind of piece of shit he is the casual pedo landscaper man like Jesus
immediately what I mean what was the line like dude she's 13 yeah finally

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exactly you'll get high that's I mean like you're in Casey Affleck's rolling
his eyes at him and worse than you're going like dude what are you even doing
in that car with him yeah do more like yeah oh my god that killed me and then
we also not just to see how bad of a dude and bad of a family this is we also

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get to see how dumb of a dude this is hey yeah I want we go half and half none
of that 50% bullshit all right so we know who this dude is yeah he's an idiot and
an asshole and a piece of shit there is there is absolutely nothing likable

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about this motherfucker we find right out of the gate right like nothing you
don't even get five seconds of thinking that he's at all normal no he is human
garbage to the core now you know and Casey Affleck is for some reason stuck
with him small town your best friends your best friend I mean I have I have

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met some people it's like why are you hanging out with him I get why he's
hanging out with you but why are you hanging out with him I don't understand
this part of the dynamic here and I mean you can't act like you have not met
dozens of people like that mm-hmm no no many situations like it is

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understandable I've met married couples like that I mean Jesus I have two and I
have questions and I've had them answered sometimes and man I'm not even
here for that explanation anymore you have made your bed yeah then okay yeah
they're pulling the car out of the water and they're still on about the codes

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still talking about and I love that's like so if it's flooded or if it's in
and then David he's like well the car submerged so right like yeah how how
like him just being normal in a sea of stupid is what makes him so funny yeah

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exactly yep oh man and gentle about it too that's the same thing at no point
does he ever say to anyone you're an idiot he just kind of he just sort of
very gently like he's very much a father we find out that he is Neve
Campbell's father in this but he is kind of dad to everyone because at every
point of the way he's just kind of like well put it together it's the car

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submerged so so the water form okay all right yeah yeah yeah yes and that's the
thing like every time the camera like every time that we just had the focus on
Davido and he was just talking to somebody or even he was just listening
to somebody I was engaged mm-hmm yeah constantly like I just I forgot how much

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screen presence he has when he's just owning the scene totally yeah when the
scenery up or anything just kind of relaxing into it finger on the face and
ovaries he said ovaries yeah I mean just why is that so damn funny because it
came from Davido exactly yes like the man is magical Paul Ben Victor this dude

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was everywhere in that 90s yeah yeah no he was in he was all over the place
playing a lot of scuzz balls but every once in a while he he'd like throw us he
throws for a loop and put and play like a nice guy to somebody you know or
something like that but yeah mostly like mostly like pseudo mafia like kind of

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a tough guy but the tough guy you kind of laugh at a lot of times right yeah
because he he is he carries comedy just very effortlessly but him delivering the
news to William Fickner and then you're going like well you know where's your
son why you should tell him like it'd be best coming from you right well I think

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you should do it right yeah they literally know they literally even said
it should come from family to you know soften the blow and he goes well in that
case you should tell him right because yeah we find out later not his dad so
okay now I understand that line a little better this is what I miss for not
having enough time to watch him twice like I'm yeah but you know trying to do

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that backup episode I still stand by it I think that was an important thing for
us to do mm-hmm yeah no I agree I'm not I'm not
regretting it for sure yeah and we find out that the the little petal or the
petal is in fact Mona's boy yep which isn't that just we're not we're not
surprised at all yeah we're like oh that makes sense yeah yeah why wouldn't that

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be why wouldn't that be the way I mean the way that she come out the way that
people have been talking about her like man how happy Neve was I know that okay
first of all I want to I want to say something about Neve Campbell's whole
character in this movie now I know she has range we've seen her do range but
when you imagine the career of Neve Campbell when you think back on that

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Campbell you think sultry okay she has always been sultry sometimes a little
pouty but usually sultry her character in this movie is so gleeful and adorable
and cute like this was literally the cutest that I can recall ever seeing

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Neve Campbell and I loved every second that she was on screen after watching
Reefer Madness and for me to discover her musical theater aspect wow did this
make so much more sense because I remember because I saw scream before I
saw this I was a big fan of scream sure yeah and I saw this and I was like whoa
Neve Campbell wow this woman is yeah she got range mm-hmm but that scene that

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comes in later in the movie when she goes to the police and she's like
pulling that and how smooth she is she spins yeah it was like a dance yeah you
know crying out where's my daddy the whole time like that was an astounding
moment right there yeah and it was all her it was all her just yeah that is her
just chewing the scenery to pieces mm-hmm yeah that felt like Miss Poppy

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like getting engaged totally like man I loved that I love so much of it but the
way it washed over is like Mona dearly is dead really we got to celebrate like
how much she hit it but when you like like I mean just how much that joy

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exploded from her my god it's the first and it's the first honest reaction we
get it from anybody like the whole time as as they're finding the body and
they're telling the husband and they're telling the Sun and all all that all the
way through everyone's like oh Mona's dead oh that's so tragic that's mmm what

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a you know what a dilemma for this town you know like never never what is I'm
forgetting her character's name she's just Neve Campbell to me now I like it's
like it from being overly confusing I'm just using the actors names okay good
good call yeah but but she's the first one who when she receives the news just
brightens up and goes we got to celebrate like get break out the

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champagne Mona dearly is dead okay so this is our first flashback and we see
Jeff with the knife to the hand and which just starts the theories over like
how did he lose his hand and all this stuff right and Mona man she's awful
just bad bad and we and like very very very very apt way to describe the

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characters in such a fast way very simple just Mona's bad Phil is complete
crazy weak they're all calling him a kiss that's the only time that Phil has
any kind of strength is when he's latching on to William the Fickner
whenever any time that Fickner has any kind of strength is when he's going on

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to Phil and Bette Midler's straight no yeah no you're right Phil is the Phil is
the husband named Jeff is the son yes okay but yeah no that and that's and
that's a common you know I've seen that in actual relations before the only time
he's not the victim is if he can join in on victimizing someone else and that's
his whole thing and I and yeah and it's obvious it's bull it's blatantly obvious

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yeah and they are just a terrible family and then Neva is just like okay so Mona's
dead so now we can fire Jeff right and I'm just oh I love how strong she is oh
yeah no cuz I mean she's never wrong at any point that's the thing is like this
is what this is one of those few moments where you have the engaged couple

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getting getting married and you can like absolutely see why he's into her as
opposed to her just being annoying and nagging all the time no it's like she's
like oh Mona's dead great fire Jeff you're just like oh okay I see why he's
with her she's the smart one in town like okay he's a little sweetie pie
everything like that all docile and a little bit too nice total pushover yeah

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he's he's one of those he's quintessentially too nice for his own
good that's his whole problem and that is the kind of woman that you hope those
guys wind up with absolutely I did love this like when they were driving away
from that scene and she's like do you think that they were like us when we
every young like no Mona's always been fat the thing she's asking for dude

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but a surprisingly deep little moment for a movie like this where she's
literally going where she's she's looking at the dearly is going like well
they clearly hate each other and they're taking it out on the world there must
they got married for a reason she's like what if that's us what if what if this
that we're getting right now that we're about to get married what if that goes

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sour and we turn into the dearly is like oh my god what a freaking nightmare yes
that would that would scare anyone and she's she's asking him like what do you
think the dearly's were like us it's a real tender moment and he's just too
nice of an oblivious guy to even make that connection he's just like no she
was probably overweight back then too like not the worst Casey Affleck no

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that was closer to Kermit the Frog than Casey Affleck I think a little too much
Kermit but it did have the Affleck inflection I'm gonna get so but I didn't
know you could do Kermit but clearly you can thank you and that's it back to the
river and Tracy Walter swan dive into a beaut in a beautiful and obtuse way

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Tracy Walter he had so many just little cameos as a weird just dude that just
kind of like ethereally existed in the movies yeah that guy was a weird kind of
staple for a lot of movies where if you didn't have him for in your movie for at
least five seconds it wasn't a real movie like that a lot of happy Madison
production I know he was in the water boy oh yeah yep I remember him in that

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one but yeah you know he was all over the place like that yeah okay and then
here yes everyone has a Mona story then like when the one cop tries to go and
tell the story about her getting a DUI right well it wasn't her it was Jeff was
driving with right right like it was the Mona story but Jeff was just absolutely

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hammered and all this and he like throws up and he's getting rubbish like you
scared my baby it's like oh my god Mona is not just a Karen she is a Karen like
times trailer trash like plus like I don't know rehabilitated crackhead who's
still feening for crack I don't know like this woman was pure evil right and

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and I think that was like that was kind of the added comedy like cuz back then
having a character like that being played by who essentially the royalty
Bette Midler at the time like that would be like that would be like casting
Beyonce in that role nowadays like you don't like that's just that much funnier

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to have this just absolute picture of class Bette Midler played this absolute
piece of trash woman that that was its own inside joke that unfortunately I
think is gonna be lost the time but oh I don't think so dude no okay because as
Kelly was watching this she's like is that the main witch from Hocus Pocus yes

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so I'm telling you like Bette Midler's movies have lasted no it's a good point
all right all right because I literally watched that happen right before my eyes
just yesterday okay very cool good to know oh man oh man talk about cameos
Brian Doyle Murray well he's another one of those cameo Kings he was in

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everything but still my favorite role of his was when he popped in Wayne's World
he was the arcade owner in Wayne's World oh right right right right okay even had
that rap like to try to we're gonna try to bring the kids in come on down it's
like it was oh it was terrible but how he's got like one he just got like one

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line and then disappears like he'd think he'd have a bigger role if it was that
guy in so many things so I'm a little bit curious I want to check this out at
some point like I said we did the two episodes this week and just wow did not
leave a lot of free time outside of everything else I had to do but when you
have people who did that I want to know if they were like the executive

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producers like if they were the ones who did all this stuff and then they just
pop in for a little cameo because I know he didn't direct it right so I think
like I'm a little bit curious about that I want to start like researching why
these cameo Kings get all of these cameos that is a really good question
yeah and I spent well and we do know I did catch that DeVito's name was on one

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of the the executive producer lists so that's that's definitely it's definitely
a possibility that that's in there somewhere and then what okay Kathleen
Wilhoyt I know her from something but I kept look I looked through her IMDB and
she's been in a bunch of stuff but like nothing that like really stood out to

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me so I think talking about the mechanic the mechanic yeah yeah okay I think I've
just seen her in so many things that she just kind of lives in the background of
my brain the same way that she's in just all of these movies like yeah she's
oddly like perfectly stuck in this role like he'd like everything about her
demeanor is like she is this character and no one else you can't imagine her as

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anyone else but we know that that's not the case we've seen her in other things
before you know she can't place where because our brain is too stuck on seeing
her as this now I can get that I can get up over that this this was such a star
studded film it just completely caught me off guard like yes I see Jamie Lee
Curtis on the cover of this but I didn't even look at anything before I went in

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the movie so I had no idea who was gonna keep popping up and then we pop in the
scene and then you get freaking Jamie Lee Curtis just out of left field yeah
just there she is serving coffee in like a weird I want to say almost minor role
mmm like it stood out so much that you almost want to call it a co-starring

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role right yeah that's the thing is her character like gradually grew in it like
she seems like she's like doing a cameo in a side role and then all of a sudden
she's got this other little scene where it seems oh no she's involved and then
it just like her character just kept expanding and growing as a character for
that matter like every scene we discover something new about her character where

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you just go oh girl and you just never stop loving it I know right well yeah
but having William Fickner and Jamie Lee Curtis in that scene just chopping it up
like everything in the scene it was so good like I I forgot how good these two

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were together because I completely forgot that they were in this together
but every single scene that they were in together it felt just like Oscar bait it
was just comedy dynamite everything was so natural so funny it was hard not to
have a giant stupid grin on my face the entire time through this movie it was

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outstanding then we get this week's rendition of popping in on supernatural
Mark Pellegrino yeah I know fuck it and here's the best part the devil appears
out of nowhere tendon bar serving drinks to a priest and cutting him off like you

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couldn't get a more perfect cameo for this guy really good but and I see I
thought that was gonna be a little cameo no he has a full-on role in this movie
yeah he's Casey Affleck's brother yeah yeah and I'd never heard Mark Pellegrino
put on that accent before and it was believable through and through there

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were a couple of times like I recognized him right away but then like as the
scene went on I went wait am I wrong like is that not him I just mistook the
face because he sounds and acts so differently you're like no no wait I'm
wrong that's somebody else but no no it's definitely him yeah and but he but
he just perfect he yeah he ate he just teach he ate that role and I literally I

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love every single person who was in this movie it's like this movie is made for my
taste it's right there the bar scene and everyone asking you know who killed
Mona and all this nobody even nobody everybody knows that the car went into
the lake and everyone like that but nobody even thinks that it's an accident because
everybody knows how horrendously awful this woman is so they're like no

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somebody had to kill this woman like and they we've all been thinking about it
one of us finally went through with it that's all that's the only possible
scenario so here's the thing Lisa Riefel getting clocked I understood why I was

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in there because it was paid off later in the movie mm-hmm but it it felt a
little weird to me what did you think about that scene it felt like they were
like especially when they introduced her and they and they did the scene where
she got where she got in the fight and got hit I would have thought she would

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have been a larger character same yeah but then she vanishes for most of the
movie pops back up for the two minutes that it takes for the scene we saw her
in the first time to become prescient to the plot and then vanishes again and we

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never see her again if I don't even think she's at the wedding if I can I
can't remember seeing her at the wedding at the end of the movie was I didn't
stand out yeah so it was an odd yeah it was odd like you you know why I'm
thinking it's odd right I mean other than I just kind of felt off like she's

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the most underused character while at the same time seeming so the character
just popped into the movie just so like just for a woman to get popped in the
face yeah like well and also which then turned around and turned into DeVito
catching a fleck in a lie which was an important part of the movie but
everybody else everybody else even with their important plot points has a back

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and forth everybody gets a flashback of why they hate Mona she and her in the
mechanic are the only two characters in the entire movie that don't get a Mona
flashback yeah and mechanics purpose was completely and totally served it made
like all the sense in the world but for an event to have happened everything
like that it felt like just having the woman getting punched in the face that

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scene was there just for shock value possibly yes and I do I do remember that
scene being in the trailer when it was playing on TV oh no shit yeah so that
was live that that that joke the what are you gonna hit me and then clock she
gets clocked that was literally in the trailer that played on TV so that wasn't
that was a selling point of the movie and then they never and yeah and they

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never and then yeah and then she doesn't come back except for like a few seconds
later to slightly further the plot along yeah I like the way that that character
was used was kind of I would have gone a different route about it actually
there's a couple things in this movie I would have gone a totally different
route about but I still agree with everything they did sure yeah right right

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right so Casey's loyal to like what I thought at the beginning was Casey's
loyalty to Jeff was like a really good quality but why does Jeff deserve it and
it was only later spoilers that I realized that it wasn't loyalty it was
guilt because one he was trying to kill him to he accidentally killed his mom

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right so it's not loyalty it's just guilt and everything like that and he's
trying to over and that's and say it a bit and that probably is what drove most
of their friendship like that's probably the only reason he's friends them in the
first place is because there's probably some you know too nice for his own good
motivation of if I don't help this guy out he's gonna end up dead in a ditch you

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know I can see that yeah and okay one I just like I've spoken to this a couple
times but detective DeVito and the power he has behind his eyes and all of this I
really enjoyed that and this is what week three that we're talking about the
concept of the unreliable narrator oh yeah I know crazy right yeah yeah right

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back into it and Jeff is telling the story about evil Bobby and once again
this is that moment is like yeah ovaries because because her ovaries oh not even
just yeah not even hers his according to Jeff Casey Affleck told Jeff I'm going

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to rip out your ovaries now I understand the videos confusion a little bit more
right one is like because I was thinking like Bobby right said rip out ovaries
like but he's talking to a dude oh yeah man okay all right that okay I'm

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understanding Phil's or how dumb Jeff is just a little bit more right yeah then we
find out that the car was sabotaged but the way the car was sabotaged is what
had me thinking that bot like Affleck that Casey right like he went to go
puncture it and he didn't know what he was doing so he accidentally hit

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something and then he was going when he was going to wind up not being liable
for the murder at the end of the movie right because somebody else like did
because I remembered that other people were all in on it right and that's that's
thing you you almost are like from the get-go as the mechanic as she's talking
about how like yeah this was done to the car this was done to the car and this
was done to the car like like this car was made to be to kill her in multiple

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unnecessary ways so like that out the bat you're thinking this is gonna be a
Shanghai Express content or not Shanghai Express the Agatha Christie movie
Orient Express this is gonna be an Orient Express moment that it's gonna
we're gonna find out that literally everyone in town did have a hand in this

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and it's just a question of which one of them actually killed her I I was I
remember seeing this for the first time and thinking that it was an entire
conspiracy that the entire town was in on it because they'd all had enough and
then they were all gonna like start covering for each other and then everyone's
like who did it who did it who did it I'm like okay well then that's not what's
going on but I right I would still like to watch that movie too and yeah and

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like finding out how the cars been sabotaged the person didn't know what
they were doing they just went down here and they were poke happy and then over
here the lines were cut then over here it's like shit went down yeah yeah and
trying to express sorrow and how awful this how awful awful Phil dude my mouth

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is not working okay just a reminder to the viewers I hit the dentist today and
the medications to or the the other painkillers still haven't all the way
worn off so I'm a little bit loopy I'll mow your lawn trim the hedges and I'll
kiss your ass like as Bobby was walking I was like oh yeah okay yeah he killed her

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for sure like which I thought an interesting like tack on to that too is
like after that scene after they're there they're mocking him like that he
leaves and we get a full shot of him and the company t-shirt he's wearing JB's
landscaping and underneath that yeah we'll do that I completely missed that

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thank you for pointing that out I'm glad that I'm glad that we got that oh Jesus
we talked about this earlier but finding out that DeVito is playing Neve
Campbell's dad mm-hmm weirdly perfect mm-hmm could not have seen that coming a
million miles away but it was weirdly perfect and I believed it in its

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entirety and you do see that DeVito is suspicious of Affleck oh yeah right off
the bat yeah like he's like yeah I know you I know the stresses I know this town
I know her I would like right yeah he's like I've heard I've heard I've heard
from my daughter the hell that you've been going through I don't blame you but

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yeah that was like the whole movie I like I was waiting I was like is he gonna
find out and like because it was like he knew the entire movie and the entire
movie he was just gathering more information to find out whether he was
actually going to make the arrest right exactly the movie felt like for me that
was what the journey that he was going on felt like yeah how obvious is the

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evidence can he still turn a blind eye to this or not yeah yeah all of that and
then okay I just want to point this out it's weird when people cheat and then
they cheat with somebody super close like I'm cheating on Mona with who with
Rona things like that always crack me the hell up because it's like what's

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going on here man come on right Rona freaking out to fill
Curtis and Fickner and he's just tossing all of her stuff I was like don't worry
about it and he's just getting rid of literally all our stuff right yeah he's
just throwing all our shit away yeah oh yeah then the share then Davido shows up

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as the sheriff and he's like oh yeah so you know what about her like what's
going on like you're throwing everything away all this and then figures like oh I
know who killed her it was Bobby he's like yeah please don't tell anybody I
was a battered husband I mean it's spineless piece of shit yeah literally

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and perfectly yeah just yeah that was one thing that kind of got me the cat oh
yeah did batmiller like when she grabbed the cast iron skillet and then wax him
across the face with it yeah okay she knows he's cheating like I don't think
you just do that unless you know but then again we then again yeah I mean

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that's the thing I mean that's what we're finding out about Mona is that she
probably she probably hit him with that frying pan for leaving the toilet seat
up I mean let's face it to Affleck's credit in this the character Bobby I'm
gonna decide which way I want to go with this Davido checks in on him and he's
got just all and Catholic Affleck's got all the nerves going and Davido what did

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you think of Mona yeah she was the worst person I ever knew just oh my god the
sheer honesty that just rolls out there's like that is the right call yeah
really was that was a great call like that I really appreciated that watching
Jeff pull a scam and Mona coming in to back him up and then just beating the

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crap out of the car with the golf club and all this yeah like man watching
Bette Midler play that character was so much fun for me man you gotta imagine
how much fun she had just showing up on a day-to-day basis and just letting
everything unleash like not even needing any subtleties or anything like that

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until the knife scene like the knife throwing scene right yep like there are
some like the subtleties and a little bit extra acting in on that one the rest
of the time she's just showing up and just letting all the bitch flag fly and
it is too much fun to watch right yep and they try it like he wants to dissolve

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the business and she's like you either buy us out or what was the other like
what was it because you gave two options I think or or see what happens I think
an implied I think that's what it was I think it was just one of those like you either buy us out or
see what happens that type things I yeah I think you're you're spot on with that
seeing the cops cracking jokes and different versions of how Jeff lost his

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hand that to me you know my favorite part about that and I remember I
remember this when I first saw the movie thinking that was like one of my
favorite parts of the movie what's that was that in all of these like the end we
find out that it's wrong we do eventually find out the real story of
how he lost his hand but everyone's got a theory but every single one of those

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theories he lost his hand from reaching for a beer Oh reaching for a beer
was the alligator one right yes there was the alligator but it was because his
beer fell in the water and so he's reaching for the beer and the
elevator got him there was you know he was doing logging and his beer was on
the other side was sitting next to a chainsaw and so he reaches for his beer

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and accidentally drops his hand on chainsaw and then the first one was he
was oh he was woodchipping he was throwing things into a woodchipper and
his beer falls into the woodchipper and he reaches for it in the woodchipper
all replaced what actually happened with that whole a like into that whole scene
because I thought that's what everything okay wow my brain really playing some

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tricks on me today but yeah all the stuff all of the all the rumors that
were wrong about how he lost his hand all involved him reaching for a beer and
at the dumbest possible time but the time he actually did lose his hand it
was when he was reaching reaching for he was reaching for his mom's beer and oh

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that would have been the no-no yeah that would have been it then we get to Mona's
funeral and this is what we were talking about with Will Ferrell showing up you
know people are more upset over losing change in a candy machine man he is he
is will like he is 100% I don't know how many he had done before this but like I

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said it was early enough his career that he's not even in the opening credits so
he's not a draw he's not on the poster they didn't put him in any of the
trailers but that didn't matter when he shows up on screen he is 110% Will
Ferrell you recognize it even with that weird kind of like thin-haired wig and
that that ill-fitting suit they had him in it's like immediately you're like oh

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shit it's Will Ferrell oh yeah all the way yeah oh my god watching Jeff try to
play guitar with stub
this this movie man this damn this frickin movie but like yeah I just missed

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that but I want to go back to Will Ferrell real quick yeah he's the only
one at the funeral he comes away from Mona's casket and he's got smeared
lipstick so before I found out Melissa McCarthy is at the funeral home with him
I thought he was making out with the corpse okay no see we actually see her

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briefly before that because remember when when when Phil and Jeff are there
and they're talking and no one else is and they're like when can we leave this
is pointless there is a scene there is a moment where Will Ferrell first comes
out and when he's come and when he's coming out you can see through the open
door you can see Melissa McCarthy wearing nothing but a bustier in the

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background and he's like quickly sure you sure that's the sequence of events
because I thought that like he was coming out of that when the sheriff showed
up after they left the funeral no no oh maybe yes but then if that's the case
then the lipstick smear is when Casey Affleck and Neve Campbell show up after

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the after the after the sheriff because the because we see we see the girl we
see the girlfriend in the background and then we see the lipstick I do remember
that yeah cuz yeah Mona's another like coming out I got was he smooching the
corpse and then everybody laughing about Mona's death in the diner while
Devita watches okay apparently I just kind of glanced over that scene because

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there was a lot more that happened in that yeah cuz then it isn't until after
that that we see him like while the funeral is still going on he's doing the
boudoir shots with with McCarthy in the bathroom afterwards yeah all right
would have been better if he was making out with Mona it would have definitely

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fit that town for sure yeah oh and let's not forget the grip the probably another
great genius joke in that is that when Danny Devito not Neve Campbell when when
Danny Devito drives up to the funeral home and we see the sign of the funeral
home there's a little tag up on top that says as seen on TV so that that would

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have that would have fit along with your making out with the corpse thing if that
was what they were on TV for if as seen on TV was for instance 60 minutes oh
yeah okay when movies have little moments like that where you get to fill
in the gaps with your imagination that I like yeah we were talking about before

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where I have my issue with independent films and a lot of times they do open
endings and they're like what do you think the ending oh okay I see we're
saying yeah yeah I like when there's little details or you're like I wonder
what that's there those are the things that I do enjoy like what you just
mentioned that is a perfect use of that concept like that's that's the balance

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at least for this audience member but I loved I loved when Neve Campbell comes
up to the casket and she comes in she's like it's like sprays perfume on the
corpse oh my oh my god Neve Campbell how are you like you are perfect you are
just damn shit like I I'm I'm very sure that she's very happy with the Broadway

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status that she has can I see more comedies stop just doing fucking scream
movies man do a comedy again you're too good yeah like I like your chosen I
understand you love it you're doing it I'm just letting you know there are
people over on this side who want more yeah no I second that absolutely her and

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Sarah Michelle Geller Sarah Michelle Geller she doesn't like ever since she
left television and do when the movies it seems like all she does is dramas and
horror movies she doesn't do any comedy and I'm like come on you were she's
good so funny you're so funny dude yeah yes so yeah let's let great comedic
timing absolutely see yeah what we need what we need is a buddy cop comedy

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starring Sarah Michelle Geller and Neve Campbell that's what America wants right
now I'd watch that absolutely so would I I would I would pay theater ticket
prices to see that yes yeah then like would Danny DeVito watching everybody in
the diner just trash-talking Mona Fickner comes up and slaps Jamie Lee's

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butt like and she's the shock on her face just yeah I was loving that like I
mean I love everything Jamie like the boss the body ain't in the ground yet
brother try tone it down we're still like you play to grieve at least man

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they all goes in okay so the video sees everybody at the diner so he goes to the
house and then breaks in what does he find a painted mural of Mona which
she probably better than she ever did it looks like one of Bette Midler's classic
production stills from one of her concerts is what it looks like if not

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enough if not for the fact that it was actually hand-painted I would say they
just printed up one of her old headshots or something like that you know but but
they could they but they they did paint it oh no Bette Midler looked that good
oh yeah Mona never looked that good for sure yeah that's what I'm saying which I
thought was interesting because then that leads that leads us into Danny

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DeVito's own personal flashback of Mona's flashback which Fickner has like
so few lines but he steals the entire scene with two words right exactly but
yeah so it's the end that's when we see like at the county fair or whatever
where she's in the knife throwing contest so it's like I like you really

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think that like the the initiation of this of this flashback is the portrait
so what we're about to see is how she won a knife throwing contest and got a
free portrait made and then in something like that but no we see her lose the
knife throwing contest to Casey Affleck and have an absolute meltdown about it

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to meltdown so bad that for the first time in the movie we actually kind of
sort of feel sorry for Mona we're actually like oh she's a she's a sad
sad person I mean it gives I mean it gives a lot of look into her I mean we
find out yeah that's what I was saying the subtlety of that scene was where
like yet her being such a good actor is what made me feel for her a little bit

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but I'm fairly certain that the character Mona was just trying to pull
some manipulative bullshit oh you think she didn't mean any of that she really
was just trying to know oh you know what you're probably right you're probably
right that's so I'm saying like I think bet milder up well bet Midler brought
her a plus plus Grammy Award winning bet milder sorry sorry she is bringing like

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her top tier a game to a scene that that didn't require it that's what I'm
thinking yeah but my favorite like this is my favorite moment from Fickner in
this when Danny like when DeVito comes he's like you know my mom used to say
when life gives you potatoes make potato salad and that was like well life gives

(51:59):
me shit what am I supposed to make and then just Fickner so innocent shit salad
you can see from him where where Bob where Jeff gets his stupid that is true
I will give you that but dude Fickner yeah one of my favorite performances

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from Fickner and it's a very lesser known movie I believe no it's not called
nothing to lose it is a Martin Lawrence production it's Martin Lawrence Danny
DeVito and Fickner with John Leguizamo this sounds familiar I feel like I've
seen this I can't think of what it's called though because it's not nothing to

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lose because that's Martin Lawrence and Tim Robbins Tim Robber right yeah which
that and that was that was a surprisingly fun movie too I remember
seeing that in the theater and thinking this is better than it should be I was
gut-busting with laughter when the tarantula shot like crawls up on Tim
Robbins and Robbins and he gets out and has that I'm the scat man scene and all

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that dude that that crushed me I laughed to into pain on that one did you find
that well according according to Google Danny DeVito and Martin Lawrence are in
a movie called what's the worst that could happen that is it what's the worst
that could happen isn't I think Nia Long is she also in that as well I know

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there's a few other heavy hitters the sheriff the sheriff from the last
Bernie Mac John Leguizamo William Fitcher Carmen Ejogo Glenn Headley Larry
Miller it's a good one it's a good one like I'm sure you've seen it possibly

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but into the scene where Danny's like DeVito was having his flashback about
Mona it's like he comes out of it and he is realized like he's just kind of
remembering how awful of a human being this person was and it's like and can I
really like in my mind he was going through his head like can I really blame
him if he did that's like that's what it seems like he's conflicted he's like

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this is this is what I do he's got it he's got a full sense of justice and
order you know and that's why that's you know he's he's everybody's dad that's
the thing I was like that's why he's chief of police in this town is because
he's everybody's dad and that's conflicted against the whole like but
she really was that terrible like that yeah that was the thing and here's like

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yeah and this is what kind of got me and I stayed confused about this for a
really long time like when DeVito was talking to the Joker cops and like why
switch the keys mm-hmm that's the thing that got me for a while because yeah at
the beginning of the movie she tries to get into her car and then she just goes
right over to the other person's car like it's a normal thing she doesn't

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even think twice about why she has the wrong keys yeah yeah even though her
name is on it everything like like no it was a very very confusing thing for me
because she didn't like why isn't this we're like the best that we know Mona
to have is not oh I'm just gonna give up and try something else like right yeah
and it's a gear and at that same time it's also the same thing with the town

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because it's not like there's any confusion the cars license plate says
Jeff on it they all know that she was driving Jeff's car so when they're
pointing out that the cars been sabotaged with the brake lines cut and
everything they're going oh someone conspired to kill Mona it's like no
obviously someone tried to kill Jeff and she stole his car how come no one's

(55:53):
bringing that up that was the other thing I yeah I remember I had that moment
for a little bit and I'm like it's no she stole his car but it's Jeff's car
it's pretty obvious nobody even thought to question that and I like I remember I
had a problem with that too okay that is fair but then but then Danny DeVito does
eventually it takes him a little while but he does catch it that that that

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Jeff's keys are on the rack the keychain that says Jeff on it is on the rack back
at home and that's when he goes wait hold on he's the first one it's that's
the moment he realizes wait a second she's in the wrong car this whole time
that's that's this moment that I'm talking about yeah like when he realizes
with the Joker cops watching William Fickner walk up to Jamie Lee Curtis and

(56:40):
how you do it with her boobs like that dude whoa retire you have hit a career
high walk go home now you're done that's like that's like the dude who played
Mickey in bound retired after getting a kiss from Jennifer Tilly exactly yes
exactly right yeah okay I'm done now doesn't get any better than this okay I

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don't think this one yeah this is precisely why I got into this biz and
now I'm out right then we get Bobby goes back to the bar and Phil comes in to be
like and to thank him he's like nobody's ever done anything like what you did for
me like that is the greatest thing anybody's ever done for me Bobby's like

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oh yeah oh shit because he's clearly been caught but and Fickner is definitely
gonna throw him under the bus and everything like that he knows he's been
caught so he disappears like off into the woods to have a nervous breakdown
and I and just never Campbell randomly shows up yeah I wanted to ask you about

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this because you're more of a small-town guy than I am is this a thing small
town people do just wander off to the woods and take a nap under a tree when
they're having a bad day is that is that something that small town people do yeah
okay all right so that what that wasn't just a weird random moment that is
actually what what happened no the thing that was the thing that caught me was

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the fact that she found him because I am from a smaller place and if I wanted to
do that shit if I didn't wake up people weren't going to know where I was okay
well you know he absolutely is the type to have his tree that everyone knows
about it was a beautiful spot yeah so I can give it that I will give you that

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that is very I can see that and I love how he he confesses that he killed Mona
dearly she tells him oh great I'm pregnant right yeah and the way that she
tells him I I cannot love Neve Campbell any more than I do like which is weird I

(58:48):
keep thinking that and then I see another performance that she does and I
love her even more and I'm like oh my god why is she not the absolute a list
of this era I know what has happened I will get my favorite part of like this
scene just well just these two how they talk to each other she's mad and she's

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leaving she's like I'm going home okay we need milk well and that's the
beautiful thing about this scene too is that at no point does she like belittle
him she's mad at him because he killed somebody and that's that's gonna fuck up
their wedding it means he you know he's going to jail and she's gonna have to

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raise their baby alone like she's like you fucked up at no point is she like I
can't believe I ever fell in love with you you're a terrible person she doesn't
she doesn't and she doesn't dress him down she's just she's mad at him on an
epic scale but in a boy you really you really fucked this up like you like
we're we're a week away from getting married and you just ruined the wedding

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like that's the kind of mad she is it's she still loves him she does not abuse
him the way Mona ever did she's just she is just genuinely and reasonably mad at
him it doesn't go overboard and he's just kind of sitting there going yeah no

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you're right I fucked up I'm sorry I you know I I don't know what tell you you
know please please please don't hate me and she's like I don't hate you I'm just
really pissed at you cuz you're a murderer and you're ruining the wedding
like that's good which phenomenal response unlike anything I've ever seen
and right except for the last time that I watched this absolutely absolutely I

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was on board and it crushed me like the whole way through like it's a more an
example of they are a good couple yes I agreed with their relationship which a
lot of times in movies I don't really agree with it especially especially not
I mean that's the thing is like a lot of movies especially when you have a movie

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that is taking place as a lead-up to a wedding and all of that pressure of
prepping for a wedding is added to the drama of whatever the main story of the
movie is they usually make that such an antagonistic relationship that you do
ask you as the audience ask yourself why are these two even getting married they

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clearly hate each other you do not see that in this movie in this movie you
absolutely understand why they're getting married you are just as mad as
she is that the wedding is ruined you're like dude why'd you tell her why did you
tell her super power of Neva Campbell I was invested in what she what what was
going on with her I will absolutely yep I absolutely can give you that I didn't

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think Phil actually saw the murder or I didn't actually think that Phil saw him
I thought Phil was just making it up and like he was just really really sure that
Bobby did it oh yeah then like it actually shows he's like no he he's
straight-up he did see it he watched and then like the weird panic about Rona I
didn't really I wasn't all the way on board with that but at the same time

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there was a lot of panic going on and Rona is just freaking out everywhere
Phil and Rona were my absolute favorites let's play twister like all of this
everything like that I could not stop laughing I was so wrapped up in all of

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those scenes oh the wheel of fortune they get the bus stuff or the yeah yeah
wheel of four like they've got the wheat like Phil and we find out Phil's kink is
the wheel of fortune board game and they drop hints about it up through the movie
that that's what's going on and you're like what is this but then when you see

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it when they show the scene of him doing his wheel of fortune style foreplay to
her you're like oh that actually makes sense oh what immediately removed me
from that moment was when Jeff showed up and he's like Rona yeah he's like

(01:03:15):
Terzerota and he goes baby why are you doing this to me and you're like bomb
drop when no one saw that shit coming at all yeah Phil and his son are both
hooking up with Jamie Lee Curtis like this Rona baby you got shit taste in men

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holy cow and then this is where Melissa McCarthy comes out and like she has two
very very just shining moments in this film one she comes out in her BDS
M outfit in this moment to have a little bit of a cameo right and then later she's

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just oh my god so super sweet and I thought yeah she's all like she's all
yeah she's all dolled up in in like regular you know like small town you
know she looks like the kind of person you would expect to be
sitting in any diner so far as like if you have a small role in a movie that is
about as good as it can get being able to pop in as like a five and under in a

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movie and have two wildly different scenes in that movie that is basically
the dream come true if you're just right yeah and then and the and it's like a
hidden joke to see if anybody notices that these two people are the same
person yeah right and then telling to veto she's
preggers and then finding out that when Jeff was saying that Bobby killed the

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dog peaches we're told that whole story which as far as we were talking about
with the concept of the unreliable narrator when Jeff is telling the or
yeah when Jeff is telling the story and he ends it and Bobby's like ah right
pretty clear who is lying in this one which yeah I thought I I thought it was
pretty good because obviously we know who the bad guys are in this movie so I'm

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glad that the movie didn't even try to make it a question no it's very very
obvious the whole way through and I really enjoyed that concept and then
that was the most like and then he finds out that he ripped his overalls yeah and
he's like and he said and Bobby says like geez you tore you tore my overalls

(01:05:33):
and he's like oh hey the videos like yeah so the idiot thought you said
ovaries right yeah probably didn't even think he probably didn't think he's
riffing he's riffing he's thinking what but because Jeff is thinking what Bobby
said was you tore my overalls he's like how do I make that sound like a threat
and then he said to me I'm gonna tear out your ovaries like that's basically

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how you know stupid person does improv I can see that I can see that getting the
murder weapon at random and tying in the punch from earlier now we talked about
this a little bit earlier I just like I felt like the vehicle for the discovery
of the murder weapon could have been handled a little bit differently because
this absolutely is how is how that was handled but and I think the like the

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woman getting punched in the face you were right I think it was bait for the
movie yeah like they filmed that just so they could toss it in the trailer
everything like that but this like this character this character felt like a
director favor you know what I mean yeah yeah like like Mike seemed outside of
the movie she's somebody's cousin or something you're thinking or somebody's

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girlfriend well it just it seemed like kind of she didn't she did she didn't
play she did kind of match the talent level I yeah she matched that when when
she was doing that scene what are you gonna do hit me it worked well enough
she did it well she did it she did it well enough yeah she did it well enough
that they could put that scene in the trailer yeah like her storyline just

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seemed like it was added in like how does DeVito find the murder weapon like
they already finished the script and everything like that and then they had
to toss something in and that probably was like to me that probably had
something to do with it because this because really honestly the the murder
mystery side of this is almost the B story of this movie the a story of this
movie is watching Affleck just fall apart thinking he he is responsible for

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killing Mona you know and if somebody else didn't do it we would know for sure
that he was but him doing it's just kind of a question right yeah it's true yeah
now this was the moment when Jeff was like is talking to Rona and he's like
so what do you think is gonna happen we're all gonna live together and bang

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she's like oh my god you go girl and then at that moment he proposes she just
says I want to live with you and bang you and your dad and he's like no don't
do that marry me right oh god oh god and then right after that he's like oh whiny

(01:08:18):
he's like can we play Wheel of Fortune now like you're killing me with this one
man just oh my god the depths of how deep his shit goes like we just when we
think we've hit bottom he shovels out two more like it's crazy you just find

(01:08:40):
out that he can go a little bit no I'm not gonna say it like that nope all
right and then to top this scene off you have Fickner outside leaned up against a
tree drunk and crying and watching them and watching them his boy hook up with
his girlfriend yes oh man so many things wrong with this movie small towns man

(01:09:07):
small towns I got and then I love okay this again again again singing nev
Campbell's praises getting out of bed and like and she's just like hey don't
kill anyone honey and like just so sweet he's like and just like the sweet
passive way that yeah Affleck goes okay you're really rooting for those two you

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so are man so are and then he goes to see his brother played by Mark Pellegrino
and he shows up with Pellegrino's awake deals that scene my god doing next to
nothing yeah he just he completely owned that entire scene and he's like can you

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cover for me like yeah I'll cover for you and I I thought that it was gonna be
set up to where he wasn't gonna remember it or anything like that or some like
that yeah yeah yeah but no he totally does he comes right out of it he's like
oh yeah no here Bobby yeah yeah but and how horribly awkward he delivers all of
that mm-hmm skill Pellegrino yeah you got skill man I mean and that's not

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something that if you are familiar with who he is you know exactly how good Mark
Pellegrino is no yeah he is he's uh I'd say he's like a list of television
actors probably yeah definitely up there for sure cuz he he did he played a lot
of like I mean like I mean just beyond I mean he was everybody's favorite Satan

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in supernatural so much so that they had to bend over backwards in their lore to
find excuses to bring that face back on a face-changing character and over and
yeah again but it was worth it we were there for it every time because we were
all so happy to see him every time he showed up it was great I was so happy

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because it wasn't just the character it was getting to see more Mark Pellegrino
yep but then even beyond that he was doing like five ten episode arcs on like
almost every other series out there on top of it like the guy the guy was high
demand for TV and you know and we see we see why in this in this performance where

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he's on he's on screen for a grand total of maybe 10 11 minutes and you can't
forget him he just he's he's a he's a pivotal entertaining character in the
film and he's not even a title name like he's yeah nowhere near this movie in
that like the marketing anything like that right however he owns every scene

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that he's in he steals the show from everybody exactly like that is he is
awesome then we find out that Fickner is dead and Neve thinks that Bobby did it
oh that was so god so good it's like we go right from her like he's getting up
in the middle the night to go talk to his brother she says to him trying to

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kill anybody while you're out there you know and he's like yeah okay and then
the next morning she finds out Fickner's dead her reaction is to literally just
get in her car and drive away and have a panic attack at her dad's office which
her dad's the cops so that has to go that way but yeah of course and it but

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it's like it's great because it's like she doesn't even have to say anything we
see it all of oh my god he my husband killed somebody else right after I told
him not to which is the key yeah I told you not to murder I reminded you and you

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did well and then she like even in her hysterics later on in the movie she's
like even piling on it she's like it's like the closer we get to the wedding
the more people he kills
great line I loved that line so much you are completely yes when she goes into
the police station and she's walking around and she just rips all the the

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tissues from that she spins around so incredibly smooth that it was like a
dance move and she comes down that felt so like that felt actually wildly
choreographed and it more than likely was not right yeah like it was no sure
sure it was said like people knew like what their actions were going to be
yeah they knew they were supposed to bring the the tissues to here they knew

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that they knew that that was their spot hit the tissue box right here within her
reach and just let her take over and that's exactly what happened and she
nailed it yeah Rona finds out Phil's dead and McCarthy like we talked about
this earlier McCarthy delivers perfectly she goes from that BDSM leather money
all the way into like super sweet and docile sitting at the diner which that

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alone floored me because I know where Melissa McCarthy went right and how far
that one so that was great to see and then we have Neve Campbell sitting next
to Will Hoyt and like I can't marry a murderer and then Will Hoyt makes her
move on her and like Neve Campbell's reaction the whole point of this scene

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is for what DeVito says in the car next right exactly yes like I was like why
okay yes Neve Campbell is insanely beautiful so it's reasonable that like
like somebody move right yes why do that and then and also to a certain degree
and there and there's a couple things because first of all it is very
aggressive like it is a very aggressive move that she made is not the right

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time right and Neve Campbell is shocked but she doesn't seem like like too
shocked and even when she brings it up she's when she says to her dad later
you're not gonna you're not gonna tell my right you're not gonna tell my fiance
about the chick I just kissed right like that's the part where you get like oh
wait there's history there like that's that's why she was it that's why she

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thought this was a good time to make a move is because it's not the first time
she's made her move I don't know I don't know if I'm all the way with you on that
but I can see how you got there I am just so happy that like when she's like
you're not gonna tell Bobby it feels like nah and don't worry about it I
experimented too when I was your age having to veto hint back to his
bisexual past and all this and then the reaction that she gives that made

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everything worth it like I didn't I didn't like I was like okay that wrong
time why'd you do that dumb move I didn't like that then DeVito paid off
the joke and I was like okay I'm all the way on board with it I'm right back with
it you got me right back in with it yeah so then this movie is not this movie is
not about Mona this movie is about everyone in this town that's what that's

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what it comes down to yes it is not about Mona it is about drowning Mona but
then we get Rona and Jeff having their little breakup the cops get called and
everyone heads to the cemetery and DeVito comes right up to Bobby's like
you don't say another word and everything like that and I like oh shit
DeVito's gonna cover it up yeah well and here's what's interesting too

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again to to Jamie Lee Curtis because there here's one of the things that that
threw me was Jamie Lee Curtis's character we kind you know she's got the
the weird like little haircut you know with the with the you know the two long
things and everything else is short kind of just looks a little out of place with
her you know but we all we do the whole movie up to this point we've only seen

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her in her waitress uniform you know essentially or in her underwear but
generally speaking she's the waitress who's also sleeping with with these you
know two guys and then in this scene now where she's like she decided to blow
town and she's throwing everything and she's in her actual street clothes she
basically look she we go oh she's fucking Joan Jett like that's the look

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she's been going for the whole time with the freaking like black denim jacket and
the you know the rockstar t-shirt and torn jeans and everything and then and
then all of a sudden that hairdo makes sense like she's been going for the Joan
Jett look this whole time we just never got to see it till now and it explains
everything about her character all of a sudden and she pulled it off totally oh

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she looked amazing I mean like that's the one that's the one that's the one
correct decision that Jeff has made in this entire movie is her so now we find
out Tracy Walter has the full story and Vito is going to cover it up because
first what happens is Phil sees Bobby running away from the car after maybe

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poking at once right and so Phil gets down there and he starts he goes down
and he cuts the line now if I got this right Tracy Walter went in and he also
did an additional sabotage because he didn't want Bobby to go down for it
right because Bobby and or cuz Casey Affleck and Neve Campbell are like two
of the only good people in this town right he didn't want something to happen

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to them we're he's to say about a murderer right yeah but yeah they the
last last he's like I didn't want the worst people in town to take down the
last two good people in town was his motivation and yeah it's what it's what
it seemed like is that when Casey Affleck did his sabotage he fucked it up
he didn't know he was doing and and so he went in after once he realized what

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Casey was trying to do and what Phil was trying to make it look like he did and
then he even sees Phil switch the keys so that Mona's the one driving the
sabotage car instead of Jeff he goes oh well I better I better make sure this
works and so he goes in and sabotages the brake fluid tank correctly this time
right because I'm getting it if I understand correctly when Casey Affleck

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like when his character went to go sabotage it he just poked a bunch of
holes in the muffler which would only have made the vehicle a little bit
louder right or I think it was it was something I can't remember what she said
it she poked it into she said it was pointless like he thought most of these
were pointless until you got to this one that was the thing so like Bobby hit the

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wrong ones and then Tracy went and hit the right one and Phil went and cut the
lines right it was actually Phil that did it like the other ones could have
done some other stuff but when Phil actually cut the brake lines the lack of
the brake lines is what sent her into the lake right but at the same time it
was the lack of brake fluid entirely that's the thing is like the yeah now

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with the kit when you cut the line it cut the fluid drain from the lines well
the mechanic said if you were crazy you would cut the lines because that
might work and he cut all the lines if you wanted to be sure if you know things
I do not know about yeah we didn't have to go back and watch that scene I think
but the the definitive was is that Casey went to go do the right thing of the two

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things that you could do to kill the bricks there was the right and the wrong
Casey tried to do the right thing but hit the wrong thing and so it didn't
work and then Phil went and tried to do the wrong thing which may or may not
have worked but then the guy you know the the fisherman who saw it all happen
basically went I better I better fix this and goes and does the right thing
so he's actually the one who killed Mona even though everyone else there tried to

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yes and completely non debatable he straight-up killed Fickner yes he's not
even yeah not even debatable he's like oh yeah no I saw him float in the water
and I held his head down according to the law Bobby still could have
gone down for attempted murder and or even actually for like an as an

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accomplice to the murder so when Vito shows up and tells him to shut his mouth
he still is covering up like he is right I'll do in the cover-up exactly so there
is that then we go right to the wedding which I guess we never really
established how long well no we don't go right to the wedding approaching first
first we go to the graveyard where Jeff is threatening to commit suicide in front

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of everybody at the graveyard no we went we went from we went from oh yeah no no
Davido you know I skipped over it Davido talks about the cover-up and he does the
cover-up everything like that after they talked and then he and then he he tells
Bobby this is this is what the the fisherman told me he's like so as long

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as you shut up about the one thing you did you're in the clear well I mean
pretty much the only scene from like the only moment from that cemetery scene is
that we get to actually learn how Jeff lost his hand right everything else in
that scene is just kind of a you know he threatens to off himself and Davido
tackles him and there's really nothing to that scene right I got yeah that's

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true no we just find out other than to wrap yeah the wrap up the last loose end
which is how did Jeff really lose his hand which yeah it was a surprisingly
large scene if that's the only resolution we get because literally the
whole town shows up for that yeah yeah and nothing happened nothing happens
there was there was there was one good moment while while everyone's saying to

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to Jeff don't do it oh Casey yeah Casey Affleck has a Freudian slip and yells do
it I mean don't do it do it do it I mean don't do it yeah Casey Affleck like you
showed this this was kind of a thing Kelly did not recognize Casey Affleck at
all she's like is he an unknown like like and I looked I just kind of turned

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around looked I was like dude that's Casey Affleck yeah he's like yeah where
do we know him from I'm like go to his IMDB because I don't want to lose my
breath before the show yeah because where I was like but I was like he's one
he's like like Oceans 11 like the whole series that is an ensemble they are all

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top tier yeah he's in those he is one of them gone baby gone was another one like
but I think the interesting thing is especially in this movie in this movie
the you know Bobby the character he's playing is like the polar opposite of
everything else he's known for everything else Casey Affleck has done
has been a real like tough guy kind of look you know or or swarthy smartass

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kind of thing yeah he has a smart ass very sarcastic or sordonic yeah like
that is so this yeah so he's all he's missed he's mr. I'm from Jersey is how
he usually plays in one form or another this like genuine nice guy this is like
the first and only time we've ever seen Casey Affleck play that character and so

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that that does it off yeah the fact that he pulls it off is impressive but that is
what probably makes him hard to recognize that and just being a blonde
that's true yeah that really that was an odd choice there yeah through me man but
I mean you got to make him and Mark Pellegrino look somewhat alike I guess

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but man that was about it the wedding kind of standard nothing super special
romantic over-the-top anything about that that I caught that I really had
singing praise to but loved that we had Will Ferrell like and like that it was
interesting that they they decided to tack in a little extra Will Ferrell at

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the end for us yeah I thought that was an interesting choice it was a little
and broke it broke a little bit from the tone of what the movie felt like in
totality like it's right obviously he was in it so he was part of the tone but
ending on him felt like just like singing to his popularity at the time
probably the problem is his popularity has lasted for 30 years so I don't think

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that's really much of an issue probably not yeah but I did like the way that
they did it was well what are you gonna do after the wedding and just will fail
nothing unless somebody dies okay even he even checks his watch after saying
that like any minute now I'm sure yeah like there was it was a good camp like

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not even a camp you know it was a small role like that good little role for Will
Ferrell so why don't you go ahead give us your final thoughts on drawn and
Mona final thoughts on joining Mona man I I don't like I remember seeing the
theater I remember liking it but I also remember understanding why it was not a
popular film it was kind of weird kind of dumb this was not a hit at all it was

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it was kind of considered a flop for how much it was how much press it got for
how big its cast was I remember it being considered like a weirdly
unsuccessful film and I kind of bought into that like yeah I kind of get it it's
not for everybody seeing it again now some 20 years later I'm like this movie
is so much better than I remember it being this is genuinely funny I still

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but even though I'm still kind of half and half on whether I would call this a
must-see for anybody like there's a lot a lot of great things in there but at
the same time like nothing in it is like super like needed in the culture there
was no big cultural moments in it there was no lasting you know I mean I guess I

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guess if you're a Neve Campbell fan it's a must-see because she's so perfect in
this but other than that yeah it's you can miss it but goddamn I enjoy I
enjoyed it so much more than I thought I was going to this time around you know
I guess you're right there is no like massive cultural significance that would
take this into being a must see there's no other than to remind people that you

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go is a real thing it existed apparently I needed to be reminded of that let's
see outside of that I mean this just belongs on a list of just great comedies
yeah like that's weirdly you can't put your finger on exactly why but man it

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is it was so funny yeah and and Jamie Lee Curtis like that was this was one of
those moments where like you can see where where she got it like she's like
she's probably what like in her 50s in this movie and she's still got it like
to like oh god yeah when she called herself 33

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and I was like yeah and well and even and even and even Phil's looks at her
and goes 33 more or less but man she but she is she is every every bit is the of
the sex appeal in this movie as she had in any other movie she's been in you
know so yeah so I mean she had the most sex appeal is a movie that was not

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expected in any way and I did not know about this until I saw the movie not on
TBS trading places oh right yes yep you need to cut a lot of people by surprise
of TV to understand what I'm talking about because that no I do that scene is
very understand like it's understandable how it gets cut it does not like it

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doesn't need to be in the movie it doesn't serve the purpose of the story
in any way however whoa yeah no I saw it on HBO so I know exactly what you're
talking about yes yeah no I'd never seen Jamie Lee Curtis in that light and then
when I did because when I was a kid I was like you know she was older than me
and when I was a little kid she was so much older than me that I was like I
didn't really kind of get the appeal and then I got a little bit older and I saw

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one of her older projects and then we were a little bit closer to the same age
and then I was like holy crap I get it right exactly now I completely
understand I have always known that she is a tremendous actor and performer I
did not know she was that crazy hot when she was like in the 80s yeah no

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trading places was 80 early 90s was it 80s trading places trading places was
late 80s I think okay yeah like I want to say I want to say 85 86 just
somewhere around there okay yeah yeah I can see that all right so that's gonna
close up the first section of today's show for drowning Mona all right looks

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like and I'm back Brad's back we're all back yeah now we're prepared to talk
about the next film another wildly underappreciated movie in its time do
you think it was underappreciated I can't remember I at the time now see

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here's the thing so one of the songs that's featured in this movie is a
Tori Amos song and I remembered that I actually even had that song on my
iTunes for years upon years upon years I loved that song and before going into
watching it I kind of wanted I forgot that it was a Tori Amos song and so I

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was like what was that song again so I went to look it up and when I looked it
up I found a bunch of blog posts talking about it basically put people
going to like reddit and Cora asking the question why in God's name did Tori
Amos agree to do this song for such a flop movie and I was like what really

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yeah and so I went and looked it up and it turns out that yeah with a 50 million
dollar budget this movie was made but its worldwide box office was only 24
million it lost 26 million dollars yeah so yeah in its in when it came out this
movie was considered a flop that makes no sense me yeah I don't know and I I

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think personally I'm gonna say there might be a lot of hindsight in this I
think there was a lot of this movie that was predicting the future that people
thought was a little too preachy but now that we're in that future and it turns
out they were right about everything that makes the movie classic yeah that's
the thing so I think that's probably what's happened I didn't think that it

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like I loved this movie back then I love it now it I did not see that status but
Wow okay but you are right everything about this movie this basically predicted
everything in the future a lot of the stuff and it's a little bit eerie and
along with some really heavy social commentary about about it like it's

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really like one of the things that really stuck with me is how even our our
military character our our antagonist who's supposed to be pro-military who
supposed to be pro-warfare even he says the line about how it's insane that we
spend more money on a single stealth bomber than we do on all of our cancer

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research in history like even he says that yeah and even he says that line you
know that's that's how you know which probably is why people were like oh
this movie's so preachy and then you know yeah here we are 20 years later
like oh god I wish we were only spending half a million dollars on one bomber

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like Jesus that'd be nice that is not the inflation went a lot further than
they thought it was going to yeah so in this movie toys starring Robin Williams
Joan Cusack actually I'm gonna I like I said I was really wrapped up when I was

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supposed to do this so I didn't even write down everybody who was starring in
this one hmm Robin Wright threw me like that's what threw me like I had a one two
punch I had a one two punch on Robin Wright on this one because when she
first shows up in the movie I'm sitting there going like well dang she's

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familiar where do I know her from and I so of course I paused the movie and I go
and look her up it's Robin Wright and I'm like well that name sounds familiar
I don't know what I'm thinking of and I get the one two punch of oh she's
buttercup from the princess bride and I'm like oh that's that's quite a
range because this is a very different character like the buttercup in here

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act like this before yeah and I'm like this is this is a really like she's
really got range and this is like not not to mention the fact that she's like
oddly throughout this movie holding her own with Robin Williams she's matching
energy with Robin Williams throughout this entire movie holy crap yeah you
know so it's like carried it so and then on top of that I get a second this is

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the two punch of the one two punch is that she's also Claire Underwood from
that isn't like a law and order or a CSI or something like that like it didn't
she jump on one of those shows possibly but it's it's the movie that kept it's
the it's the TV show that Kevin Spacey starred in on Netflix oh House of Cards

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House of Cards thank you she's his wife in House of Cards oh yeah which is which
my god they're like how do you reconcile the fact that Claire Underwood and
buttercup are the same person I had I had never I don't know how I had gone
this many years not realizing that but now that I know I still don't believe it

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I am a little surprised that you didn't know that that was Robin right like that
was a huge thing I like yeah she was actually my draw to go watch that movie
or that's okay cuz yeah no I had no idea Kevin Spacey did kind of creep me out I
didn't know why now I know why but yeah like watching him in that in that role I

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watched a couple episodes I was like okay this is entertaining I'm a little
skeeved right well yeah I mean that kind of was the point of the show and it was
the point of the show and yeah I mean at that time that was really where I was
starting to kind of start my political journey and getting into a lot of this
stuff so that was not the show for me at that time but now yeah I think I should
go give that a watch so in the movie toys like we were said it is written by

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Valerie Curtin and Barry Levinson also directed by Barry Levinson starring
Robin Williams Michael Gambon Joan Cusack Robin Wright LL Cool J a small bit
by Donald O'Connor Connor and Jack Warden and I mean really as far as it

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goes with the list of people that this is guest starring and has little
appearances in it doesn't stop it just keeps going though too many to mention
yeah oh we'll get to them though so the movie opens up on the sound of a wind-up
toy and a very charming ballet yeah I remember watching this thinking and I'm

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wondering if this was intentional but I remember watching this whole they're
they're doing a Christmas pageant it's a Christmas pageant at a toy store you've
got the ballet you've got all the kids dressed up as Christmas decorations and
trees you've got the the really really nice song that they're that they're
singing that the chorus is singing is me this looks like this gives the feel of

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the end of some other Christmas movie but the end of this movie ties right back
into the way it started like it's like but that's what I next year or something
and yeah but the world but that's what I think it was intentional was that they
were taking the you know the the the idea of like the Christmas movie or
Hallmark Christmas movie or or your even your Disney Christmas movie where it's

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like they you know the they've saved the town they've saved Christmas you know
ho ho ho and then now we're celebrating with this big huge very emotional very
heartfelt Christmas celebration normally would be the end of that Christmas
movie but then we're actually the beginning of this movie because the point
of this movie is the behind the scenes of that other Christmas world as a

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different way so like where you're like where you're talking about it felt like
the end of a movie to me it was the end of the it was the end of the situation
it was the end of like the homeostasis everything like as and it certainly did
turn into that for sure it became the end of that because it was even the day

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that his father died right so having like basically our current comfort and
everything like that come to a close yes I like I did but also the fact that this
is a whole movie about toys and toy stores like that like opening on this
great but how far they went to go for that opening it was insanely beautiful

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harder than it was then it was crazy be like that like just down to that song
that the choir is singing like my god that is a like that it like if that was
an act if that was like I said if that was the end of another Christmas movie
I'd have cried at that point like that was a beautiful song you don't start
with that when they came in with the beat on that triangle when the song

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shifted I yeah I loved that that really was great so yeah right out of the gate
this movie goes hard at you yeah and while like while the ballet is going
while this song is going we're getting the drive up over the general and I'm
pretty sure that that is the windows background that he was driving through

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it's certainly yeah the general zivo played by Michael Gambon arrives and
greeted by what I love this character's name Owen Owens played by Martha I like
that too yeah yeah that really cracked me up and we get this deathbed scene
with Kenneth the Zivo played by Donald O'Connor and what I loved about this

(01:39:32):
scene when he like the fact that he turned his little spinny hat into his
pacemaker and we watch him die while the spinning things just start going down
man that scene sets the tone for the movie okay but yeah no so that sets the
scene for the movie and like I realized was kind of a running theme here because

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he because his last words you know Robin Williams's dad the owner of the thing
with his with his you know pacemaker beanie his last words no I guess they
weren't his last words because he did say something else in the ambulance but
before he passes out in this scene because he's his heart is failing he says

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it's whimsical is you know like as the beanie as the beanie is slowing down and
the alarms going off in his and his brothers like you hooked your pacemaker
up to your to your whirly beanie and he just as he's paying goes it's whimsical
you know that and I think what's interesting is because they try to draw

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this line between the two brothers you know which then becomes the line between
the two cousins Robin Williams and LL Cool J but it starts with the line
between the two brothers where you've got the super serious military guy and
then you've got the toy man you know and the toy man is all whimsy and whimsical
except as this goes on and you're watching the military guys including

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their father they are just as whimsical with their military fetishism they're
just not self-aware enough to realize it and so instead of being whimsical they're
just parodies of themselves and that runs straight through the entire movie
in a oh yeah just amazingly brilliant way right down to I mean there he's he's

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yelling at his brother for having a pacemaker beanie cap and he's like that's
ridiculous and he's like but it's whimsical and then two scenes later
he's hanging out with his father and what's his father got set up his father
has a spotlight on his four-star general thing just like four stars fuck you like
that's that's more whimsical if you ask me they're just not self-aware enough I

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would agree with you I will and more I don't know about more about the same
just less accepting of it okay yeah but I think that's intentional to show the
thing was speaking of his last words the dad at like well the brother I guess
as he's dying what he says is this is going to make Leslie played by Robin

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Williams right grow up this is going to be exactly so basically he knows what's
going to happen he knows everything's going to happen and he knows that Robin
yeah he's going to have to step up he's gonna have to grow up to actually make
it happen exactly he knows that putting his brother in charge of this this
factory is going to be a threat to everything they believe in and his son

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is going to have to step up to save it he this is 100% intentional where we're
finding out throughout the course's movie that Robin Williams his father
apparently is a goddamn genius so yeah yes just the way the building itself was
constructed which by the way I know you said you loved this song the song was my
nightmare like it happy worker song yes that is like a dystopian freaking

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nightmare but it but it it is an earworm man it's like like the song I was like
man this is catchy and then I listen to the words and I'm like I don't ever want
to hear this again my god this is the creepiest thing I've ever heard and
they're playing it off like it's a really happy and everything like that and
I'm like then that's what I loved about it creepier that is what I loved about

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it that is why I went and bought it yes precisely for everything you just
described there I loved all that and that's why I bought it sure sure so you
get Robin and Joan in their funeral attire and just loving I mean like even
their funeral attire it is funeral attire but it is goofy and I love he's

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like it's time to go I think I'd like to drive dad's car and then it turns out
that the car is a bumper car which he later references that he was born in a
bumper car which I believe it actually as far as the story goes I completely
believe that that is a situation I loved the eulogy broken by the gag and like

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the barrel of laughs and yeah how like every like and that it was not Robin
Williams that made the gag yeah and like he opens it up and you know he shakes it
turns it off turns it back on he's a good one dad yep I really love that I
mean I felt a lot of love with that but that's the thing with Robin Williams you
want to feel all the heart that's who you brought in I mean absolutely I make

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you laugh he just ripped it right out of your soul we're 100% yep and we
references this what was the name of the artist for the soundtrack over the tour
while the factory are going like the creepy one what was it oh that was Tori
Amos yeah yeah Tori Amos I thought there was going to be more about this but

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with like the reference to the tin horns I thought that was gonna be like some
part of Joan Cusack's code as or something yeah I thought that was gonna
key in because they gave it too much attention however she kept referencing
it and there and yeah and there's even a tin horn sound in the Tori Amos song
yeah for sure yeah so I thought that was going to reference something I thought

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that was gonna be like a code or a key to dad's password for his computer or
something but I like that was something that stuck with me and I thought they
were gonna pay it off and if they ever did I don't I didn't see it no that's
not that I noticed certainly for sure yeah did you notice who was on the
research team oh I noticed Yardley Smith that was it she was the only one I

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recognized and it was weird too because like when she first speaks you don't see
them they're still watching the screen and you just see like the silhouette of
all the researchers there and she has a line and for a moment you're sitting
there going like is there a child in there with them doing this like kinda
kinda yeah little Lisa Simpson rocking it in the toy factory which god what just

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thank you for tossing her in there that was such a great moment for me it was it
was a tiny little roll but man yeah it is what which line she gave in that I
don't remember now so they were talking about like what happens what do you like
you poop in the tub and then yearly Smith goes oh right yeah been there and
right yeah really quietly this is not a shared experience yeah yep I just love

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the fact that like you like you have yearly Smith in your movie little Lisa
Simpson and you have so few lines and one of them is about her pooping in the
bathtub great job just sure yeah wait it worth every penny 100% yes oh I
completely agree the fact that Joan had to be the one to personally test

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everything that came through and all this stuff once you find out she's a
robot that makes a lot more sense right even before you find out she's a robot
with how quirky these characters all are it still seems or yes it still makes
sense because she because it's like yeah these are two grown children that have

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done everything they can to remain children and have just been given an
unlimited amount of resources to be as childlike as they can which and the
enough I didn't catch the childlike sense from Robin Williams in this that I was
ready for like okay yeah there was a little bit of that but what I felt this

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entire movie was he was goofy but at every opportunity that there was
something to be handled he actually had all of the correct instincts no it's
true yes which made it kind of like all that more like yeah like understanding
why he should definitely be in charge here yeah and and but also at the same

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time you can kind of get why he didn't want to be in charge because of the same
time he does well like he does like sense oh wait no yeah you're right sorry
he'd like he likes being the kid like I think for him it's more of the case of
like no one of the reasons I love one of the things I love about this place is
that my dad is the one in charge and no one else should be he doesn't want to

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take his father's place even though he's perfectly capable of it yeah you're
right I think he was kind of um is it Jillian Anderson is that who was in
don't think twice yeah yeah okay so Jillian Jacobs sorry Jillian Jacobs
yes Jillian Jacobs and don't think twice when her character when we were talking

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about that she was happy where things were how things were she didn't want
them to change she didn't want to go so when his father passed there was a
change but he didn't want her to be even though he was the right person to do it
everyone like that what his father knew was that he had to see that he was the
right option for it right yeah that was the decision that I'm talking about

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earlier when he was in the ambulance and he was like his final words right he
knew he was ready Leslie Robin Williams character didn't know he was ready right
and that it that was the main thing and I really really enjoyed this this
specifically Jack freakin Warden just showing up on a deathbed in full

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military uniform and then you get then you get the uncle sitting there like no
one accepts me as a real American did you go to the dialect coach I guess I
went to the dialect coach and the best I could say is whatever he said they like
and they saw right through it it's like right yeah wow man we can't understand a

(01:49:59):
word that he's saying but apparently he can I don't know I keyed in on it like
like as it was going through he actually was saying the no yeah he was saying be
saying for sure yes like so I was really happy that they it wasn't just a bunch
of mumbles but it actually was the words like dude Jack Warden is great mm-hmm

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yeah I know me personally I mostly know him from problem child okay yeah that's
that's my era and I need to go back further if I want to see more Jack Warden
because he he died pretty shortly after this I didn't look into it but I know
the dude is was old and I have not seen him in a long time actually no what I

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know him most from is big all right yeah yeah yeah yeah that's the main one that
was the big one that he did which we got to cover and well we actually just did
did a Tom Hanks movie very very recently we can get to it we probably should
excited I actually did mention it to my my son recently my son sent me some

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viral video of some people doing a tap dance on a giant piano thing to play a
song and he was like isn't that clever and I'm like I've seen it before boy
like this is this is this is old news to your old man oh you're playing those go
I yeah it had like it is kind of it is fun when he like one of the things that

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we have like we had those experiences it's one of the tools is one of the
cards that we get to play it's like no you're getting this version do you want
to know where it came from right yeah that's why I'm doing the show yeah you
know that's the fun of it well I think the probably I think the one that I
probably got the biggest reaction out of was when he the first time he discovered
that there was a clue movie like he had played the board game with his like it

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was like cousins and stuff like that and I don't know what he where he was or
what he was on but he found the poster to the clue movie and he showed it to me
he's like so apparently this is a thing and I looked at my went I saw it in the
theater and yeah and and he's like you you what you've seen this movie and I
go yeah let's watch it right now boom that's it that's the right call that is

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the right call and then I had to explain them about how like in the movie theater
they only showed us one ending and what ending you got depending on when you
what theater and when you went to see it and stuff like that so like there was a
long time before I saw the other two endings to the movie you know so here's
a thing the movie didn't say this the movie didn't go into any kind of detail

(01:52:37):
about this at all but when the general says and nom one of my own guys tried
to frag me and then we and then we find out that he took his wife later I just
want that to have been his wife who tried to frag him I'm just making that
a part of the movie I'm just doing it okay yeah and then as he's walking out

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he asked the nurse out on a date and we see that this army tent is right
smack dab in the middle of this crazy expensive fancy ass again self parodying
whimsy again with no with no self aware hell yeah with no self-awareness to it
yep and then we get to the board meeting and the general is like checked all the
way out and he is falling asleep until he hears a notion of corporate spies

(01:53:24):
yeah once he's like spies espionage mission like that yeah he gets in and
then he steals Owen Owens to go into a supply closet this that scene was
weirdly brilliant just about to say this like this is golden comedy yeah but like

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this is gold writing when it was it was just short of being a Monty Python
sketch like just barely sure to be a Monty Python sketch it was so giving
you that I am giving you that goes into this room kicks on the lighter tell me
about spies you're being too you're being too loud and talks too quiet I
can't hear you I still can't hear you is this good is good like he actually goes

(01:54:05):
that was Monty Python is oh man no that scene was that was top tier right yeah
it really was and then we get to bring in Patrick now weirdly LL Cool J was
like one of the only things that I remembered about this movie like but
weirdly I remembered everything my like all of his scenes yeah well and that's

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the funny thing is like I remembered that scene where he okay so he's
introduced the characters introduced they're waiting for him he's late and
then all of a sudden he comes out of the couch wearing camouflage that matches
the couches pattern because he's because he's a secret he's basically a special
ops guy and he camouflages way in I had remembered that scene as so brilliant

(01:54:54):
like I'm sitting there going like oh the scene where the guy with the couch
camouflage comes out of the couch I had forgotten it was this movie for years
for years I thought that scene was from a different movie and I kept trying to
remember what it was from and I was like that's like whatever that movie was it's
so good and like I like so when it appeared showed up on this one I was
like holy shit I found it and it was right in front of me the whole goddamn

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time what's wrong with me awesome but I completely see like I have that I have
that in different movies I know there are scenes that I am thinking of that I
don't know the right the correct movie right but man not this one like for some
reason every single thing that else the only thing that I didn't remember was

(01:55:39):
things that as a kid I wasn't gonna key in on right yeah I didn't remember how
adult this movie was clearly see okay yeah so I remember when I saw it like
being shocked like what they like me we're jumping ahead here I think but I
remember when seeing this thinking like this was this was a family flick all the

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way up until Robin Williams's first undeniably dirty joke in the movie when
I'm like oh this is not a kid's movie are we thinking of the same one all right
we might be is it the bumper car one no the devil puppet one oh right okay yeah

(01:56:21):
all right fair enough this I love like when he came in and he had like the
possessed egg it was a weird thing cuz as the scene started I like it was I
was like oh don't do this don't do this Robin Williams isn't as funny as I
remembered don't do this don't do this and then as the scene kept going I was
like okay I broke a smile and then I kept laughing and then I couldn't stop

(01:56:44):
laughing and I'm like it's because yes keeps going it keeps going yes Williams
like he had that capability like he pushed a joke and the deal and the joke
didn't get annoying it got better yeah and like I got worried for a second
there and then it completely disappeared and I'm like there's my dude
I felt bad that I even got worried and that and yeah this is the scene actually

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this literally is the scene right here where LL Cool J comes out of the couch
and they go in and they sit down for dinner find out that like they they hung
his kids and LL really by the way do you know what LL Cool J stands for did you
feel like I I feel like I used to know but no I've forgotten LL Cool J stands

(01:57:29):
for ladies love cool James that's right yeah now I remember yep you know way to
actually have a wildly stupid nickname completely stick and never seem dumb
90s hip-hop man was a whole thing well yeah and then we got in the 2000s where

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everybody just became Lil yep like literally like Lil Bow Wow Lil White
Lil Wayne like everybody was just Lil for a while for a while and yep yeah
that was kind of a weird one like I wonder when that when that kicked off
then like we get LL he's actually hinting that Joan never ages which is

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our first hint into finding out that she is a robot a toy really she's a toy yeah
a big toy like because he said at the end of the movie dad thought that I
needed a sit like because mom died when I was so young dad thought that I needed
a sister so he built me like yeah dude there is so much weird like like all

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like this movie is so much tragedy and so much of it is just hinted to yeah
yeah like it's weird and like I weirdly just love it because I didn't have any
time wasted on any backstories you just get a line yeah I'm the character and
then the story keeps going yeah and you you get you get all that you need to

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know in those like little peppered moments at the time that you need to
know them there's no need for any monologues or flashbacks or anything like
that you you get you get it yeah by the way this was the moment that I realized
that this was not the kids movie that I thought it was hmm which was time to
switch the systems and go to war toys and Robin Williams saying dad always said

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war is the domain of a small penis I had forgotten about that one yeah yep yeah I
did not catch that as a child I would not have caught that as a child see and
oh my god that is that line is incredible like I've never heard I didn't
like that yeah I didn't catch it as a as a teenager when I first saw this movie
so yeah it flew right by yeah like I said I didn't really I didn't realize

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this was an adult movie until like six scenes later you know no that was yeah
the the small penis thing yeah I would not have caught that I I probably laughed
at just hearing the word penis when I was a kid but I didn't understand the
joke right this was another thing about LL's character was he's just non-stop

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constantly in training and I think I saw that character and just took that as my
own personality for like the next 20 years honestly you when you met me did
I ever stop no no that's true no that's true no yeah yeah I had that mentality

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forever man always constantly going always wanted to get better at something
I think this is where I got it from okay because like I said my whole life I have
never forgotten LL's cool LL Cool J's character in this movie and how he was
like dedicated and going to it and everything like this is something to
that putting Joan to bed that fucking bedroom man that bedroom that scene

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everything about it yeah dude this movie went way harder than it needed to like
in every aspect 100% and I I don't know how much improv you actually got from
Robin Williams because of the fact that the like the movie was structured so
much around and he actually played to everything that was going on around him
mm-hmm so I don't know because a lot of that had to be choreographed like and

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when he puts his sister to bed and the duck comes down and closes in on her and
he says good night to her and then he walks away and he says good night to the
duck and the duck quacks back goes hard yeah no it's crazy but what I really
enjoyed about the wisdom in this because and I and I thought about this after she

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delivered this line because the scene prior to this treat your friends like
your enemies and your enemies like your friends or I and everything like that
yeah then you cut right over to this scene and you get treat your friends
like your friends and your enemies like your enemies which when you look at that
you have both of those are very wise statements in situations if you are a

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soldier you are in war you are in this and all of that then yeah you're dealing
with the potential of spies and all this stuff you you do kind of watch what you
say you keep that and you only trust your absolute trusted I get that right
but as a healthy societal living as part of a civilian you don't treat your
friends like enemies and you don't treat your enemies like your friends if you

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have enemies the thing to do is get them the hell out of your life that's exactly
to do you don't treat them like your friends you don't keep them around
because that just that's just gonna keep hurting you right and you don't treat
your friends like enemies you obviously anybody who thinks it is an unbelievable
moron or or they're one of those people that actually does kind of understand

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that if you choose the right person and treat them like crap that'll get that
person to be completely loyal to you forever or until they get healthy right
yeah which is a whole different problem than just being stupid and that's why
I'm saying like these both of these statements carry their own set of
wisdom with it but it is a situationally dependent type thing right and like the

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general is constantly talking about it throughout the movie we're never gonna
get another war and then like even his dad's like there will be another war is
like not like we had not like it was not like World War two even Vietnam was this
and this yeah warfare did change we we did skip over I forgot one of the
things that I liked we skipped over real quick when he did finally decide to take

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over the company first of all he stays in uniform he's wearing a military
uniform while running away company next note okay but but the second okay then
maybe I maybe I did miss it but then like but no like when he's like staying
in the office for the first time and he's replaced his general stars with

(02:03:59):
company logos pins and now there's five of them so now he's a five-star general
like still in competition with his dad and now he's like now I'm a now I'm a
five-star five company logo you caught that I am glad you caught that because
that really did crack me up too yeah we get the new uniforms and a remixed

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version of the Terry Amos Tory Amos Tory Amos okay sorry I don't know who this
person is I like really I I missed that I or if like what are some of her songs
like songs like that I would have caught

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criminal I think is her I don't know but the new uniforms won the uniforms I'm
not gonna lie they were snappy I liked them they everybody looked pretty good
but then the remixed version of the song it didn't make it like it weirdly I
think some people would find it less creepy I found it just as creepy if not

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a little bit more and Robin Williams coming in on another meeting and having
no sorry criminals Fiona Apple my bad okay okay see I don't know she's one of
the she's one of those names that I heard all the time in like the 90s and
the aughts and so I can't like I can't draw the line between which where her

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name went and what songs were you also worked in a music store for a certain
amount like a short amount of time so I learned nothing while I was there but
yeah yeah I know you learned some stuff about Madonna that's true I did yes so
we get that we go into another meeting and this time Robin Williams is coming
in with that audio suit which is hilarious to me and I'm loving it but

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this is where I'm kind of saying like okay so maybe he isn't mature enough to
do this but he goes in he's like a general calls him a buffoon he's like
huh and he goes in like the etymology of the word and they're like that and
you're like oh okay no which he's making up off the top of his head yes but you
and you're also seeing like okay this guy is actually smart enough to do this

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skit right so you are seeing the intelligence and the general is like I
want realism I want imagination I'm like those two things don't mean the same
thing dog like that's something that kind of caught me but you know typical
typical authoritarian thinks he can just bully results out of people with no
understanding of how the results come to be true I gotta say this was the

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tiniest little cameo and it wouldn't it wasn't even a cameo because Kevin West
is not like famous enough to have merited a cameo at this point this was
just a very little small pop-up role but he just pops up as a factory worker and
just has like two lines but Kevin West is one of those that he pops in he gives
a couple lines and he is hilarious every time that he says anything I don't know

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if it's maybe just the way he looks or something but he is just funny Robin is
showing that he'd actually have been a wise choice until he walks out and he
goes I've been a bad boy right like see cuz I thought he was going in there
trying to get a laugh out of the general I didn't think he was actually going in
there trying to annoy him which you know if you grow up in a in a prankster

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family if you grow up in a prankster family that is kind of the same thing
thank you no I okay I do get that now we get our introduction to Robin Wright
yes what a wonderful introduction just the way like when they come in and
they're like I want to know about your duplication did you duplicate alone and

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he's like she's like well that's kind of a personal question okay I immediately
love you yeah but then LL Cool J is like I want to know like are you messing with
my duplication investigation like all like how he's doing on that like I'm
sitting I could not stop laughing as I was going yeah then he gives an
interrogation for the duplication investigation inside the copy machine

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just raise to face right with her that whoever came up with that I fucking love
you that was too damn funny but then you see Robin Williams come around the
corner and you see like authority come out of him like what the hell right
going on here like you can't talk to my people like this yes yeah you kept
seeing a good leader coming out of him and that is something I really I really

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did enjoy though we do have we do now this is where we get into the messy
stickiness of this thing yes I was gonna say go ahead yeah because it is he is he
may not be the owner of the company but he is effectively second-in-command he
is the founders son he is clearly like for him to be immediately hitting on a

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employee right out of the gates wildly inappropriate true and I had I had some
struggles with it because right at what he said right away was very red flecky
like mm-hmm get over it or move on like right two options it's like wow dude you
just like today's culture you would have walked right into a lawsuit with that

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one right and then he kind of lost me when he said maybe you should smile
because I was like you don't say that but then I realized what he was saying
he wasn't saying that really to her he was saying that to himself that he
should make her laugh because that's what he goes into it wasn't like haha
you'd be pretty if you're a smile it's more like oh you're having a bad day I

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should do something to make you laugh that was what that was so immediately he
lost so it immediately wrote me back yeah so I mean it is that's this thing is
like it's kind of one of those half-and-half because we as the
omnipotent or not omnipotent omniscient audience we can see he is a good guy he
is harmless but it's like from any other outside perspective this is a sexual

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harassment lawsuit immediately this is problematic immediately and the pro and
what's worse it gets worse because the hints are dropped that the only reason
she was hired was to hook up with him I don't think she was only hired I mean

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she she went for the job she did all this she got like she specifically says
that here his dad interview during the interview yeah he said my son's gonna
like you my son's gonna like yes I'm not also that also the first in the room the
first time that they're having lunch together in the cafeteria Joan Cusack

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sees them eating together and she says oh he finally noticed her they were
meant to hook up that was the last thing that dad did before dying was he set up
brother to take over the company to force him into coming into it to taking
responsibility and setting him up his potential wife for when he takes over

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the company's ready to settle down that was entirely orchestrated I can see that
but I can also see the other side of that because just because you meet
somebody that you know it's like man I know somebody that's gonna like I'm so
like I'm saying I don't like I'm not gonna say that yes was specifically put

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in and she only got the job because of that I'm well we don't know she only got
the job because of that yeah I'm thinking during the interview how she
was the quirkiness and everything like that because we see how quirky she is
before yeah we even see Robin Williams in the room with her sure I'm thinking
that during the interview like his dad just got really excited like man I got

(02:11:57):
her job on her job is running the copy machine why is the CEO of the company
even interviewing her in the first place that is a good question but yeah so I
mean again this becomes again this becomes a thing where we as the omniscient
audience can see that it's all okay because we can see that Robin Williams
himself is and and Robin Wright herself are completely innocent bystanders to

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these machinations and it does what does happen between them happens organically
and naturally and works out fine because we with that omniscient audience
superpower can see that it's okay if not for that everything from the outs from
the outside this is basically this is there's nothing okay about this from the

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outside at all the only reason it's okay is because it's Robin Williams and it's
Robin Wright and we're an audience that we can see everything that's the only
thing that makes it okay it doesn't hit me the same way but I do hear but I do
see where you're coming from having this like literally so many hints to the fact

(02:13:06):
that she's a robot everything that she eats is pills when she goes in from a
sandwich she wants an applesauce sandwich like thinking okay fine I'll
just yeah mayonnaise sandwich it becomes one of those thinking back to the first
time we saw this movie theaters how did we not see it coming it's so fucking
obvious when you see it the second time around like they could not have told us

(02:13:26):
more times ahead of time and yet when it's revealed we are still all oh yeah
when her head pops off my god but that moment like this moment where she
completely just decimates LL Cool J and in like the end just in the kindness not
even passive aggressive just a very just like out front very like cuz I would I

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would call this upfront somewhat aggressive everything like that she just
had no malicious intent behind it so it didn't come across that way right yeah
it's like you guys are exactly the opposite he's like soft on the outside
and strong on the inside you're the exact opposite and the way that it sits
with him for a moment he's like I love that yeah that was such a great he has

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no comeback to that yeah it was because it wasn't even a diss and it comes from
a person that you like obviously you see that he actually respects and loves like
LL Cool J's character Patrick is not a bad guy he's not a bad character he's
not like in any way yeah in fact a good majority of his turnaround of what makes

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him that takes him from antagonist to protagonist is the fact that from the
onset and all the way through he holds on to the fact that he actually does
give a shit about his cousins he sees them as family and treats them as such
and the more his dad starts treating him as the enemy is the more he starts
pulling away from his dad yep and yeah this was the moment for me like right

(02:14:58):
when they come out and they have the super colorful like cuz that's the
thing he's quirky he's whimsical as well so he keeps the military style but he's
also got like the colorful right feel it's toy camouflage he's wearing toy
camouflage yes which just good god yeah and then we cut to we got my absolute go
ahead my absolute favorite scene though my absolute favorite scene was not the

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bathroom right after we're introduced to the the the toy camouflage and Robin
Williams is trying to tell him like I think we should not do war toys and
uncle is lying to him and saying I totally agree I just need some secret
space from you if that's all right yeah I just need that space for a little bit
right that whole conversation they're having while in the weird like wavy

(02:15:45):
hallway and then they stop all of a sudden because there's out of nowhere in
the middle of that hallway a dude holding a caution duck crossing sign and
while they're stopped holding that conversation there's two sets of toy
ducks crossing the hallway I don't know why but I loved that scene more than
anything in the entire movie just those toy ducks going by with the dude standing

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there with the caution duck crossing sign and they're just sitting there
patiently waiting in the hallway that does has absolutely zero function other
than for what they are doing right now but apparently is the only way to get to
the boss's office so that's what they got to do and yeah I'm again if you have
unlimited resources and love whimsy you're goddamn right that's exactly the

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kind of thing that you would do in your office building and so yeah oh absolutely
just to get that like to have your gut get that little feeling going down a
hill every day like as you're going through the fun right that would create
yeah if I if I had if I had to work at an office building slash factory all the
time and that was how I got to my office every day fucking day I would be I would

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be fine going to work every morning yeah there would be there would be a lot of
fun with that yeah so we get to see we get Joan Cusack and Robin Wright like
Robin comes into the bathroom and Joan is in the corner singing a terrible song
not even trying to sound good or anything like that then she's like do
you want to come join me and thank God that Robin Wright actually does because

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I loved that they had that like little moment of bonding Robin Wright starts
singing and then Jones like oh no maybe you shouldn't do that no that was that
was just too funny for me I loved that and then we get like really where the
movie starts taking us again the same thing like I was saying before like it's
amazing that Robin Wright was able to match Robin Williams's energy throughout

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this whole movie but so is Joan Cusack Joan Cusack Robin Williams and Robin
Wright are all just on the same frequency throughout the entire movie
which should not have been possible but they but they did it but I but I think
we can both agree that Robin Williams did dial it back a little bit for this
project that is true that is very good point he was a little muted he probably

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he probably handicapped himself so they could keep up with him yes that would be
my guess because this is more like outside of seeing Robin Williams in a
serious role like one-hour photo or goodwill hunting right this is some of
the most reserved acting I've seen him do sure yeah okay like he is very held in
you see the goof you see all of it but you also see the serious side of him

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which is what the movie is really about yeah then like I said this is where the
movie starts turning and we get that visit to the arcade and man he gets on
that game and he's a rough one because he just specifically starts targeting
all the UN vehicles and we start seeing a real issue with this guy yeah dude

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yeah man we do not like this guy then we get to see Joan rocking some VR and I
gotta say this whole scene I love that she has the earpiece stuck up her nose
right which is which is hilarious because they really play that joke
because she's they've got the whole experience thing she's got the thing

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stuck in her nose and he even says we put a different cartridge in and it's a
whole different experience new sights new sounds new smells the whole thing so
it all like for a second there it makes sense until she makes a comment how the
nose thing is uncomfortable and he goes oh well that goes in your ear like that
just makes it so much funnier because they with the whole route of making it

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make sense and then when oh no actually it is nuts yeah that's why I was saying
like like yeah and Robin Williams performing on this very subdued because
even how he did that you know that in another product you put that in Mrs.
Doubtfire and it would have been like like all these things right it would
have been really over the top yeah seeing him be this subdued I honestly

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like I just well also still getting that vibe out you could tell that his
character is genuinely giddy about this this project that he's been working on
yeah so where you were saying like yeah we kind of both I've talked about this a
little bit Robin Williams character doesn't really have the ability to take
no as a no in this movie and it is a little bit problematic to watch it does

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kind of make you uncomfortable right there that's that kind of line like
where you tow the line where there are still women who want to be challenged
those women did not disappear from the face of the earth right and the reality
is it's situationally dependent and you have to have the skills and be smart
enough to know when a woman is flirting with you and asking for a challenge

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versus when this woman is not interested right all right so like I was saying
like like Robin Williams his character a little bit problematic because she's on
a bike driving home apparently still has training wheels whose decision was that

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was that was that the director's decision was that Robin Wright was that
Robin Williams who made the decision it was that's nailed it yeah like they
really did and I love that she's like well you just try to look like and she's
like what are you doing he's like oh I'm just trying to get laid right
completely yeah the little devil pops up cuz I want to get laid like that like

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for me that was the moment I was like oh this is not a kid's movie that was nope
that was a moment I was like yeah I don't like I did not catch that when I
was younger I know that party I remember when I saw this as a teenager I there's
a part of me that thought like oh I've got to do that like I got to get me a
little devil puppet to take around with me everywhere to just do to just do that
for me I'm glad you didn't yeah me too no in hindsight I'm glad I never got I

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never found a devil puppet to buy to carry around with me but yeah there was
there was a good there was a good couple days there where I was like I have found
the answer to all my problems and as it turns out that just would have been the
key to a whole new set teenage me was not that smart I'm but we oh no we've

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kind of established that like neither like neither of us were intelligent at
all as teenagers like that was not a thing but then she tells him like you
don't take things too seriously do you and the thing is he's like half and half
on this like a lot of what he's saying is very serious he's being very serious
but he's kind of battling himself with it and that was a big part of the message

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for the whole movie was kind of battling turning into an adult and taking right
taking responsibility it just it was subtle that's the thing about it like it
wasn't just slapping you in the face with it it's something that was just it
was a part of the movie but it really right just it was really subtle and I
really like that and that's a thing at no point other other than on his father's

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deathbed saying this is gonna get him to grow up you know other than that at no
point did anyone did any of the characters including antagonist uncle no
one ever turned to Robin Williams and said why don't you fucking grow up well
no he didn't want him to grow up because he wanted control of the company so
that's true yeah that's true yeah the general speaking of him perfectly

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calling the future of warfare all the way up until the price right exactly
that's the crazy thing is we got that we got the tiny remote-controlled toy
planes controlled by children who were raised on video games but they're
somehow more expensive than the fighter jets we had back in the 90s who the who

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the fuck was in charge of that I'd like to know yeah no kidding man and then
talking about flying the beach craft into Red Square I meant to look up if
that was a real thing I think it was but I just I can't remember and then we get
this was the moment you were talking about Robin Williams trying to confront

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the general and he actually does try and I like I felt like he actually did do a
decent job he was just a coward mm-hmm like he gave in to literally everything
the general said and that was where he really lost well and then I think that
that comes to his kind of like he's not quite as bad as Casey Affleck was in in

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drowning Mona where he's too nice for his own good I think for him it's more
of a matter of hope because like that saying that that his his sister said
treat your friends like your friends he's still in the situation where he's
desperately hoping his uncle is his friend and so he's trying to treat him
as his friend and so he is really really trying to trust him trying to be a

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friend to him because at this stage in the story he still wants his uncle to
be his friend I'll give you that I the research room terrified me like I don't
know how I forgot about that but I'm never gonna go into a tile room again

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and not think about this scene that is a guarantee what we'll do well just the
with just the added brilliance of me when this the walls start closing in the
shapes that are coming out are all Tetris shapes yep that I mean like that
it's one of those things where it's like you know it seems so bloody obvious in

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the aftermath when you see it but you know somebody had to think of that and
make that decision while they were in pre-production for that to happen that
was not something that was not a Robin Williams riff that was something that
someone had to think up before they even started filming you know and so that and
that's that's what makes it that much more impressive I will give you that

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absolutely the yeah the general is bringing children in and I love this
line for me he's like he better be making something really cute or I'm
gonna be really annoyed and yeah the whole building keeps shrinking and yeah
Joan goes to visit dad and those batteries that were only supposed to
last a few hours are still chuckling out of the ground I thought yeah that was

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great and then just hearing Joan Cusack in this movie say that we're going to be
in the shithouse I was like there's cussing in this movie what well we've
already got dick and laid up to this point so you know shit really is just
kind of a foregone conclusion now true but I guess I can't even remember if they

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would if they censored dick out of TV or like movies and stuff like that because
at that point like people were saying bitch on TV so yeah sure where we were
at I think it was I think it was a context thing I think it was if they I
think they would let it get by if it was someone's was being called that like if
you said to someone what a dick that was allowed through censorship but actually

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reference of male genitals as it you know like the small dick the small dick
joke probably would have been bleeped out or something or something like that
okay I can yeah I can get on board with that I can see if if my vague memory of
watching basic cable back in the 90s is correct I it seems to me that that's how
it will how it rolled sure so then we get the Robbins walking through the props

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Williams and right he's right on the edge of growing up you can really feel
that battle but like I said he's a coward and then when like we were talking about
this earlier where his dad hired her and said that he'd like him we have two
different points of view on that one yeah I'm sticking with mine I just can't

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I can't I can't yeah he tells him that they aren't children they just oh oh oh
so when Robin Williams goes to the general he's like you're bringing
children into here like what's going on he's like no it's just lessons on force
perspective you're on the third floor if you're on top of the entire state
building they look like ants but you're on the third floor so they look like
children which I mean the balls on this guy to do a Robin Williams routine to

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Robin Williams can you imagine that like wow who do you think you are sir but it
worked it worked and it was funny and yeah yeah no and then I like this how do
we get in MTV that was a great that was like I felt like the childlike wonder
that came out of that which by the way let's just go right into that because I

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want to talk about how that whole thing with the what they when they rolled in
the giant screen and pushed it towards the the camera so that they could do
that whole display in front of the in front of the the the security camera
mission impossible blatantly ripped that off blatantly shamelessly ripped that

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off oh my god you're right yeah now I think we can now here's the thing I'm
pretty sure that that specific mission impossible was written there at least
co-written by Simon Pegg so I'm willing to I'm willing to say it wasn't a ripoff
but an homage but still it's it's close okay all right I'll give you that I

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gotta say I actually did enjoy the music video that they played I kind of
remember that song was one yeah that's it had it had kind of a Devo feel to it
yeah I could not find any credit about it in the the soundtrack credits on
Wikipedia it wasn't listed as one of the songs on Wikipedia so I don't know where

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that came from yeah no it was it was a surprisingly decent song for what it was
yeah and then having him walk in and sneak in and he basically sees Ender's
game like that's exactly what is happening around it is precisely what
is going on yep how smooth he was cruising around all tiny-legged like that

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Robin Williams you are a god that's a class that's a classic Robin Williams
thing like he no one can do that like he can't accept maybe Howie Mandel oh I'm
curious to see him do that all right but then like he tries to escape from
running away because he broke in and the alarms are going off or whatever and

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then he falls into the giant well and the general shows up like rooting for
him to die and all yeah like okay we're not even and this guy's not a psychopath
it was weird how this massively dramatic moment was even still directed like a
comedy because everyone steps out in another door that you didn't know was

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there until they opened it mm-hmm so that was almost so it's this weirdly
serious scene which appears to be Robin Williams is life on the line and it's
being directed like a comedy bit with you know just like this door opening oh
my god this door opening shut it off this door opening no leave it on you
know and like with the weird silhouette lights and everything like it was

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directed like a comedy scene but was deeply serious it was it was art yeah I
was having a damn good time so the spy bot finds the Robins because number one
you don't underestimate Mork right so the spy bot finds a Robins and how LL

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uses the bathroom that I that I was scream laughing on that one I remember I
remember being pretty tickled by that in the theater to go and like oh my god
like he really truly is just as ridiculous as his cousin how does he
not see it I mean he's on the toilet and like everything like that not a good
time and then he okay to describe this two stalls you see three you see three

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stalls you see three stalls wide no no you know in two in two of the stalls so
you have feet and everything like that coming out like sitting out of one and
then you hear like does not tell me he hangs up the phone then his feet come
down of the other one on the other side and he gets out and he walks over and he
picks up like this mannequin that he has to make it seem like that's the one that

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he's pooping in right yeah this scene was beyond funny yes it really truly
absolutely slayed me and then okay I do know why I didn't remember that Jamie
Fox was in this movie because holy very small role a very small role and he's
not even like he's nowhere near the title like and now yeah anywhere on this

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but yeah he's playing like pervy security and this is a young Jamie Fox
he's really really young yes like ugly Wanda Jamie Fox this is real early on
and I was loving it in like so yeah we get this Robin on Robin kind of sex scene

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which is that the only sex scene that Robin Williams ever did no okay where
else I don't remember any Moscow on the Hudson didn't see it okay okay well then
I guess I'll tell you I'll tell you about it later okay fair enough then we cut to
the team making a complaint and then asking for a tour of the building and

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the general just wants two more weeks which no like obviously things are going
bad then we the secure meeting where the general has everyone get down to their
skivvies and then as they're going through it you see Jamie Fox sees that
there's a pair of scissors inside the guy and they reference like yeah my chest

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kind of hurts since the surgery just right here completely unnecessary but
funny yeah no that was great that was so stupid but great this this is one of the
only scenes that I remembered in detail about this movie so we get the three of
them on the VR roller coaster then we get the general and the infamous fly

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scene oh yes yes him shooting himself in the foot to hit that fly is something
that I never forgot about mm-hmm yeah that is a scene that stuck with me
literally forever and oh my god did you notice that that nurse was Debbie
Mazar yeah oh yeah well not until she showed up the second time and we get a

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clear shot of her face and it's like whoa hello yeah yeah no I completely
missed it when she showed up at the beginning as that nurse but when she
came back I was like wait yeah you bear you barely she barely clocks in you know
you get like a half glance of her for like two frames before you know and then
the rest of it's just from the back of her head but yeah how the hell did we

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cover two movies like in the same week where the girlfriend is banging the dad
and the son how do I yeah that I my my thoughts exactly like what the hell how
did that happen seriously what are the odds of that happening like that is just
infinitesimal that is crazy I'm proud of us though that's a weird that's a weird

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source of pride yeah well you know then but this was the moment so one it's his
dad is banging his girlfriend to he like his girlfriend is the one who informs
him that yeah your dad sent your mom over to Vietnam and like he sent her

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across lines on a recon mission and then right and like what a heavy heavy ass
story that we just kind of wildly like glide over right all like the like the
whole purpose of that is just to get LL Cool J on the same on the right side
it's the it's the last shred is for him because like he's been pulling away from
his dad this whole time because like I said as as the more dad treats his the

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cousins like the enemy the more he pulls away that last little snip was
discovering that his own father has been lying to him all these years about how
his mom died that's it for him he's like yeah oh no now now it's on yeah but this
was the moment where LL goes rogue and literally all the conspiracy theories in

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the world all like they're all like all of them right here hidden right at the
same time and it's like it's all coalescing into this one movie so when
we're talking about preachy stuff and everything like that
my god why don't conspiracy theorists go ape shit for this movie I know right
yeah it was constantly talked about it was it because it referenced every damn

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thing every damn thing yeah 20 years ahead of time it saw it all coming then
we get the sweet toys versus the war toys and let the games begin like the
new security system is a complete game style they get wind up trapped in a maze
and mommy and baby Gatling or Gatling gun dude somebody had fun with it with

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that whole thing yeah absolutely but also yeah this would be very effective
yep because because the kids Joan because Joan Cusack's reaction when she
sees the toy the little baby and mom walking well when she when she said they
see the toy that it looks like a little wind-up toy of an au pair taking a baby
for a walk I don't care who the hell you are you're going to have the same

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reaction of bending down and sticking your face in it and going oh how cute
yeah that's that's a very effective way to get someone to put their face in your
gun yeah yeah I'd have to say so okay so here's the thing the CG on that ball
was not bad I mean for the time it was no yeah I'm talking for the time man I'm

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always gonna be talking for the time okay all right yeah the CG on the ball
was good the CG tank ballet was not that was terrifyingly awful but the CG on the
ball was actually pretty damn good mm-hmm so yeah and also like why like
whoever decided to toss that tank ballet in there that was probably the one wrong

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move of the movie I thought well I felt I felt the whole battle scene the whole
old toys versus new toys battle scene there was some good imagery in there
there was it went too long that's the thing it went too long and it was for
the most part I mean aside from the one last little bit in the office it was

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essentially the the the climax of the movie and I felt it wasn't a proper
climax it was it was good imagery it was beautiful but storytelling wise it was a
really really weak way to end your movie I felt I I kind of agree because I don't

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think I don't agree with you that it's a climax because Robin like the the plane
was the climax okay cool J everything like that so it was a build-up to it but
it did last too long so I think the build-up of it was too long however what
we got in that moment was some wild like what you already referenced it wildly

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beautiful yeah and that and that probably was why it lasted too long is
because they didn't want to cut any of that stuff out yeah and the way that
they slowed down some of the audio the way they keyed in on some of the audio
to make some of the broken toys sound like crying babies yeah yeah that like
we're talking about the imagery on that that was really frickin powerful and

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yeah like that's it I just it went too long but we're also a little bit
suffering from the fact that it's 2024 and movies have changed that's true fair
so I don't know if I would have had the same critique back then I'm trying to
remember how I felt about it in the theater and I can't remember I cannot
remember if I if I was feeling that same let's get on with this feeling and back

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then I don't leading up to that though the chase scene successfully it got me
on the edge of my seat the score was going there the composer completely
nailed it like I was really like ripped in on that I was ready for it and then
just the dialogue that Robin Williams gave during this moment kind of made the
scene worth it even if it did go a little bit too long excuse me fighting

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fire with marshmallows and then let's wind up the troops yeah I'm sorry like
that that moment it just like it got me well and his whole his whole speech as
they're winding them up and he's sitting there giving for stores and many
Christmases ago that whole speech was stupidly brilliant like it was I'm not
I'm not even a fan of puns but this pun heavy heavy garbage was gold it was it

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just it was and and there's no and the thing is there's no way of knowing if
Williams improvised that bit or if it was part of the script you never know
when it comes to Williams but either way it's like my god that was good that was
a good speech that it was that was funny and delivered like the whole thing like

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and what got an eye roll laugh from me was the front of the helicopter popping
out and then the perfectly designed little finger coming out to press the
elevator but I loved that I was like my eyes rolled like all the way back I was
looking at my spine and laughing that just goes along but that just goes along
with it you know the the whimsy like even the military man is a parody of

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himself on how whimsical he is you know and that and that just played right into
it that they had they had little helicopter that could do elevators by
having a little robotic finger come out and press the button for it and then and
then they even topped it and they even topped it off by putting a pair of
scissors on its tail so that it could cut the wires that that the airplane is

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flying on yeah it was a Swiss Army helicopter it was freaking hilarious to
me yeah the chopper versus the plane which we were just referencing and then
crashing it so this is the climax of the movie LL Cool J he's been damaged he's
hurt and he's hiding out behind Macy's and Robin Williams climbs up into the
plane and starts sliding down and that little chopper comes by and messes up

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the price trajectory oh crashes into the building go ahead real real quick let's
let's not forget you know the very you know this one has this this prediction
hasn't exactly come true yet but considering everything else in this
movie the fact that they have a very obvious image of tanks rolling through
Manhattan remote-controlled tanks rolling through Manhattan that that's

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image are we treating this like a Simpsons episode and we're just calling
or just saying it's all gonna happen I mean everything else that would they
showed in this movie was prescient I mean yeah I gotta give you that it really was
well when Robin Williams pops into this office and the plane swing is like you
give up you thought I was a fool yeah swinging back and forth getting the

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rightness that was yes beautiful both in comedy and in cinematic imagery I mean
Williams and Levinson were a great team so speaking of calling out the future
Robin Williams telling them you tried to kill us all and then the guy goes can't
you take a joke I'm sorry how relevant is that to today yeah I know right

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literally people don't understand what the hell jokes are right yep like it's
like no no no yeah whatever and then Robin is like you tried to kill us all
like you did all this call me crazy that's not a joke yeah like I really did

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that and then the moment when Joan Cusack comes back in and then like her
head gets popped off once you're right before she literally says and the best
part is nobody got hurt and then boom she explodes yep and then does Robin
Williams reaction like oh no you broke my sister and then again and again

(02:44:38):
seeing this movie in the theater I was gobsmacked by that moment just oh what's
going on I'm so confused she's dead her head's over there but there's wires
what's going on and now in hindsight watching this movie again I'm going my
god they could not have been more clear that she was a robot they practically
put a sign over her head that said robot why were you so surprised you dumb

(02:45:03):
bastard 100% now we talked about earlier so we're ending kind of how we began
dancing and toys and now the general is um let's call him silly he's he's yeah

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he's he's got other issues to deal with he's not concerned about the toy store
anymore or the toy factory more he has other things on his mind with other toys
like he yes yeah he's ready to just hang out with his dad in his military
uniform in the deathbed tent yeah for some reason yes we don't see it the

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thing that was in the well that we were referencing that like Monty Python bit
to coming through right that's the thing that comes back and winds up taking out
the general at the end right which we were never clear exactly what it did to
him other than now he's bedridden right next to his father and very happy to
watch toy soldiers just roll by him you know for the rest for the rest of his

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life yeah apparently I know he is so silly he thinks Manos hands of fate is a
great movie right exactly yeah and and and hot nurse is still there good for
her yeah she's loyal you know maybe I don't know we don't know where she's at
with the Sun still but you know oh you know what I am I immediately removed

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that from my brain we just talked about like two minutes ago immediately
removed it from my brain but okay I will say having LL Cool J literally just
disappear into thin air and then Robin I go Patrick like yeah like this check in

(02:46:53):
right now that was such a brilliant that was the pain that was the payoff that
was the payoff that now Patrick has learned to embrace the whimsy he's still
a soldier but now he knows he's a whimsical soldier so that's when he and
now he's he did the disappearing act just for them knowing they'd be like hey

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and he's like yeah I'm right here and they're like all right yeah all right we
get it I love it and they and they all applauded him all three of them stand in
there applauded him well done sir well done yeah like that's he's he's still
he's still a soldier true and true but now he is well aware that he is a member
of this family perfect ending I got like so because this was my choice I'm gonna

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give the final our final thoughts first okay must see hands down must see
there's like one Robin Williams to Joan Cusack three Robin right like you can't
like these are three unique performances from these actors that just oh my god
plus throwing on the social commentary some of the throwback music seeing

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comedy of that era and also basically comedy that would have worked if it came
out 15 years later this movie was ahead of its time 100% yeah and I think and I
think that's the yeah I 100% agree with everything you just said and I think
that's that is has to be the it's the only reason I can think of as to why it

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did so badly at the box office because it was too far ahead of its time this is
a movie that has to be appreciated today and it and it is yeah and and yeah
absolutely 100% must see all right so let's figure out our next week's movies
okay well I I had a movie that was not on my list until yesterday because it

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came up in conversation with with one of my kids it is another Robin Williams
movie though are you okay with doing two Robin Williams movies in a row depends
on what it is okay the movie is called the world according to Garp comedy or a

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little bit of both it's a drama comedy if we do two Robin Williams movies like
back-to-back they should be wildly different oh they are wildly different
this is not toys by any stretch of the imagination this is a can I pitch it can
I pitch it because we did Rob Mase do you want to can you we do that as

(02:49:40):
another backup episode okay sure yeah okay I got to decide on another movie
then real quick I actually I had I had a few in mind just because like we've been
having some really good some really wildly entertaining but I kind of want
to toss it into a slightly different direction this week and okay where we

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did do kids movies for the backup episode I was thinking Dragonheart for
this week or for the next week Dragonheart the the Sean Connery one the
Sean Connery Dennis Quaid I don't think I ever actually saw that oh okay so then

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I'll give you I'll give you an option then I'll give you an option then we
will go either Dragonheart or King Ralph
I think I'm gonna go Dragonheart because I feel like we're gonna do King

(02:50:45):
Ralph eventually I know that that has been to near top of your list for a
while and I do and before I think after we did that after we did that last
episode that backup episode mm-hmm I did not watch King Ralph I did pick up the
good golly miss Molly scene though and I watched it right after we ended the
show okay all right so Dragonheart all right what do you got for me okay okay

(02:51:12):
oh do we have any I've got a documentary I've got a documentary for us called
American movie documentary a documentary you never heard of it I take it well I
didn't think we were doing documentaries I mean this one okay here's the thing

(02:51:37):
and I can probably get more into why when we cover it but this movie gave me
a mental breakdown like after I saw this movie I went home had a full-on panic
attack and cried like a bitch for like an hour straight not for any reason that

(02:52:00):
you can think it was literally a personal thing because this is a movie
about two guys making an independent film and it's for anybody else in the
world watching this it's funny as fuck it's absolutely fucking hilarious for me
it was hilarious and then gave me as an unsuccessful independent film

(02:52:23):
filmmaker it gave me a straight-up existential crisis and you really want I
mean you know every story that that's gonna kick up if we start talking about
that it's kind of worth seeing in my opinion well I'm not talking about seeing
I'm talking about when we cover it all the stories that like that is going to

(02:52:45):
kick up and remind us of and everything like that like I'm double-checking with
you is that I think I think that's workable I think that's workable all
right I'll then yeah then that's what we'll do give me the title of it again
American movie all right so next week it is going to be Dragon Heart and American
movie

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