H.Y.S.T? | S1E19 | Buffalo '66 & Remember the Titans - H.Y.S.T?

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Mr_Ems. Now, let's get into it. Let's do this. Buffalo 66 written and directed by
Vincent Gallo, starring Vincent Gallo, Christina Ricci with Ben Guzzara, Angelica Houston,

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Rosanna Arquette, Jan Michael Vincent for the Rick and Morty people who don't know, Mickey Rourke
and Kevin Corrigan with with Kevin Pollack as a radio announcer, or not a sports announcer,
not a radio announcer. Yeah. But Kevin Pollack definitely has a... Pollack.

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Kevin Pollack.
On fire this week. Here we go. He is a man who has a solid body of work, but I never thought he
actually reached the acclaim that he deserved. No, I think the highest, highest height I ever

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saw him hit was in Usual Suspects. His role in Usual Suspects. I think that was like the highest
height he reached. And boy, did he make a meal out of it for sure. But yeah, I didn't I didn't see
him do much much to match it after that. That's for sure. No, it seems like it seems like every
role that he would have gone into kill the the other Kevin got all those roles. The other Kevin.

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Spacey. Oh, right. Oh, that's right. Yeah, no, that's true. Yeah, that's a good point.
I think Kevin Pollack, Kevin Pollack could have crushed basically every role that Kevin Spacey did.
Yeah, you know what, I can see it. I don't think you're wrong there. Yeah.
The cold open on a missing boy and his dog and it really, really feels like it's a like back of a

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milk carton type of opening. Yeah, I got no idea. Yeah, it's not. I mean, it literally is just kind
of an intro card. It looks like a missing kid poster. It says his name, it says his birthday.
And it's like says picture here with his dog. So it looks like a missing kid poster or like an
in memoriam. Like, you know, this movie is dedicated to this dead child. But no, it's actually our main

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character. We're looking at it. We're looking at our main character here. That's that's who he is.
And what unfolds and we'll get into it later. But what unfolds is like you find out later on is it
it just gets more tragic for what looks like is a missing kid or a dead kid picture. No, he grew up
to be an adult and in a way it's kind of more sad. Oh, holy crap. Yeah, this this character was

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like the embodiment of pain being released from prison and the full story of prison essentially
set up through overlaying insert shots, which I never really thought about using insert shots
in that way. But that was a very, very nice touch. No, yeah, it's like it's kind of like a
combination like he's having a flashback thinking about life in prison. We're getting an introduction

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to it. But but yeah, they're kind of like all these overlaying images that almost look like,
you know, stock photos in a way. Some of like, he's got a very distinctive look. So you can tell it's
him in all those pictures and all these videos. But there is a graininess to them. It they they
feel like stock images. And it kind of tells the not so much a story, but like, what's in his head

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with him thinking of thinking about and feeling prison life and how it just was in specifically
like you don't see anything bad happen to him, but you see him fucking suffering. He's upset. He's
crying in almost all of these images that we're seeing. So, you know, yeah. But so we're basically

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seeing this guy get out of prison. He's sitting at the bus stop in front of the the prison gates
that he's been released from. And you're just kind of watching him think about how much it
fucking sucked to be in there. He's not happy to be out. He's just still living in the shit that he
that he was in for the last five years. Well, no, as well as we find out, like he's basically

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terrified to be be out because that the moment he gets released from prison basically puts a time
clock on his lifespan. And that's what he knows. Or that's what he's hoping for, really. So this is
his plan for sure. Yeah. Mm hmm. I thought it was hilarious. Like him trying to go back to the

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prison to use the bathroom. I thought that was just I could not like that was that was a good
point. That's that dark comedy you're talking about there. Right. Yeah. And then yeah. And then he
gets on. He gets on the last bus in town. Like he's like the first for hours. The first the first
like 15 minutes of this movie is just this poor bastard looking for a bathroom after getting out

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of after getting out of prison, takes the bus from the prison into town. It's in the town. The bus
station's bathroom is out of order. They tell him to go to the restaurant next door restaurant next
door is closed. And it just goes on and on this mother. And there's even scenes of him walking
down the street just bare like bowling over in pain, just barely not pissing himself. Like that's

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the first 15 minutes of this movie. And yeah, it's it's kind of funny. It's it's it's not shot in a
comedic way. It's a little funny. But once you kind of realize like any normal dude, you know, you go
15 minutes, somebody ain't letting you pee. You're finding an alley right away. A dude who's just
been released from prison is walking on eggshells to the point that he does not want to be in that

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position at all. I get what he really felt almost does. There's even a part where he kind of tries
to go around into an alley to pee. But then another person walks around the same corner and he's like,
oh, shit, and like runs off instead. So yeah. Then like trying to find that bathroom, he finds the
dance class with Christina Ricci. And that bathroom scene is crazy. I don't know if that was supposed

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to be funny. It didn't get a laugh out of me. Now it was it was just really upset. Yeah, yeah, it may
have. Which Okay, I gotta give Vincent Gallo a decent amount of credit here. You got to have some
sizable balls to have someone in a movie reference your own junk and talk about it's just so big in

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the same movie that about an hour later, you're going to be standing there in tidy whiteys where
the whole audience gets to go. And especially watching this the same week that that French dude
in the Olympics. I apparently this was not approached my newsfeed. So I guess yeah.

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A French pole vaulter got he cleared he cleared the pole vaulter he cleared it successful. And
then his ginormous dong hit the bar and knocked it on the way down. Wow.
Oh, wow. Wow. I don't know whether or not to feel sorry for him. I gotta say,

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you know, that's kind of what like late night hosts have been talking about. It's like,
even though he didn't win the Olympics, he won the Olympics.
Which, yeah, see, this is that's what I'm, that's what I'm kind of saying. A little bit funny to
have a character identified somebody as being like, just absolutely massive. And then later on in the

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movie, be in your own tidy whiteys where everybody the audience is just like, I thought that was a
weird thing to include. I thought that was like a ego stroke for Vincent Gallo. And I write it took
me out of the movie a little bit. Well, and because there was no part of it. Right? Yeah,

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that whole scene was like and I think that's kind of the interesting thing, too, because it's like
there there are that nobody in this movie is saying everybody in this movie is fucking nuts,
including that dude in the bathroom. I mean, I don't care if Vincent Gallo really does have
a fucking elephant trunk down there. People don't go into the bathroom and hang out and comment on

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people's dogs. That's just not a thing that happens. OK, never happened to me. Never heard
that happening to anybody I know. That's not a thing that happens. So clearly that dude in the
bathroom had something else going on and and Billy, you know, Vincent Gallo's character,
Billy Brown, Billy Brown, does not does not handle it well at all.

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You know, it basically just goes full on homophobia on the dude and then.
And now he can't pee because he's too self conscious about it. He's been hunting for this
bathroom for fuck knows how long. And now that he's found a bathroom, he got weirded out by the dude
in the bathroom and now he can't pee and now he's really mad. Very unrelatable. If I have to be

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on peeing, there's no there's no force of nature that is going to stop that. When I'm done,
when I'm done, I will move on with life like that is no. I have I have heard of of people who have
some sort of like nervous condition where they can't do it if people are watching or they or
they or something like that. I have heard tell of these things. I personally have never met anyone

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with that condition, but I have heard it is a thing out there. So sure. I mean, everything is a thing.
I think there's always somebody out there that has one of these things going on. Of course, it's just.
Really? Right. I struggle with it. That's all I'm saying.
Borrowing a quarter from Richie right after just hauling off on her and treating her like crap and

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never thinking that she goes into the bath, gives him a quarter first, goes into the bathroom and
then eavesdrops on his conversation with his mom and just, I don't know, just feels sorry for him.
Is she eavesdropping because she's clearly in the bathroom stall. He's just yelling so loud that
that she can't help but hear from there because he's yelling at his mom on the phone.

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I don't know. The fact that she was actually reacting to what he was saying is why I'm calling
it eavesdropping because I can hear what other people are talking about, but I don't like if I'm
not listening to it, I'm not reacting to it. The fact that she was reacting to it is kind of why
I'm saying it was eavesdropping. Okay. All right. And I'm pretty sure this character is insane.
Right. No, everyone in this movie is insane. There is one single line in this movie that is

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not completely crazy and we'll get to it. We'll get to it later. But yeah, but that's the thing
is like now he's tried to pee, he can't. So then he goes to the phone, the pay phone in the hallway
to call his mom. And that's where we get the first introduction to the blatant lies that he's been

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telling his family. He hasn't been in jail this whole time. He's been working for the government
and now he's in town with his wife and he wants to come visit. No, we're staying in a really nice
hotel, ma, but don't come here. I'm going to come there because I want to see the old neighborhood.
No, my wife isn't coming because she's sick. She always gets sick whenever we fly on the airplane.

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Just shovel of per on shovel of bullshit. Yep. And then his, and then his mom berates him and he,
and he gets mad and, uh, and says, all right, fine. I'll bring my sick wife to the goddamn house.
And now, and that's basically what leads to him deciding to randomly kidnap Christina Ricci as

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soon as she comes out of the bathroom, which I'm sorry, kidnapping a woman and then not having the
ability to drive a stick and then chastising her for how dirty her windows are. Okay. There was,
there was some, that's one of my funny stuff in this. I love it. Is this a shifter car? I
can't drive shifter cars. You know why? Because I, I drive luxury cars. I drive cars that shift

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themselves. Jesus Christ. How can you not lose your shit over a line? Not just that line, but the
fact that he kept repeating it, he kept going, drop car. I drive cars that shift themselves.
You understand? They shift themselves. He just keeps saying it. Like what he's saying makes any
fucking sense and she's just not getting it. Oh my God. This was a line I never, I don't know if

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I've ever heard a line like this, but I really liked this one. I'll take a bite out of your cheek
and shit you out. What a fucking thing to say to someone. I know. All right.
Damn. But she does stay in the car and he finally gets to pee. Now here's a moment that I think the

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film could have been proved upon. Let that pee go just a little bit longer. Apparently he's been
holding it for hours and it's only a five second. That is not, that is not real. Like, yeah. And
this is an independent, this is an independent film. Independent films, you can have two minutes of
a dude standing next to a tree peeing and nobody's going to fucking complain. Right. Yeah. Yep. But

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also the movie was, the movie was a, you know, an hour 50, maybe when they were sitting there
going like shit, we're like 10 minutes over, we need to cut something. I guess we'll cut the
peeing scene. Maybe, maybe I can, I can, I can see where you, I can see how you got there. Yeah. I
can see how you got there. Yeah. Comes back, apologizes. Like I've had to pee for hours.

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I was really pent up. Like basically acting like all of this was about the pee in and then. That
was amazing. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I kidnapped you and threatened to kill you and stole your car.
I just really needed to pee. I know he plans to kill her right after that. Oh yeah. That's right.

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Yeah. Yeah. He, he comes back, apologizes, like getting their story together, threatens to kill
her. He's like, I'll kill you. You know what? I'll never talk to you again. That, that, that got a good
chuckle out of me. Yeah. And let's not forget. Here's another thing about the, about this that I
want to bring up too, about the cinematography on this one too, this scene, because they have, they,

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they do very like sharp one shots in this conversation when he's sitting there talking
to her. They, they don't do a two shot in the car. There is one shot of him talking to her and then
a one shot of her reacting to him and listening to him. And in both instances, they're very static
shots. And in both of them, and this is something that you almost never see in the movie. And, and

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you realize why in this moment, but I think they did this deliberately because of it. Instead of
them looking just to the side of the camera, like they're talking to the person, they are looking
directly into the camera as though you are the person they're talking to. And it is so unsettling
that they did it that way. It's, it, you never realize just how unsettling that is like to have

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the actor look right at you while they're saying, I'm really sorry. I kidnapped you and threatened
to kill you. I just really needed to pee. But, and there's a, there's a, there's a lot of that in,
in this movie where like, where everything is done in very static, almost disorienting the shots,

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especially during when he's at, when he's at his parents' house later on, the way they set up those
shots at the table made it, it was, it was disorienting, but also kind of. It took a minute
to figure it out. But once I was into it, I was a little bit into it. That is a good reason why
they do, like when they do shots like that, they make the living room or the dining room, or they

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put it in a dining room and they make all the background look basically the same. Because
otherwise you go on a wot, the audience goes on a wild ride. Like we just, like we went on in this
one and it is crazy jarring. But if that's the effect that you want, then well, there you go.

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Threatens to kill her. All this stuff. I'll take a bite out of your cheek and shit you out.
Her response. Are your parents vegetarians? Cause I don't eat meat.
What? Which is, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Yeah. No, I'm not. I'm dude. Yeah. And, but you know

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what? That's if you, you know, that's vegetarians do that all the time. I'm not like, they could be,
they could be held hostage. And when the fucking, you know, the gruel is thrown at them, it'll just
be like, is this is vegan, right? Like that's like,
you have any idea how hard it is to not talk about the QAnon shaman right now?

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Oh shit. I forgot about that guy. Oh, the QAnon shaman that went on a hunger strike because he's
vegan. So he went on a hunger strike in prison. I remember hearing about that. That was, oh yeah.
I had a good laugh about that one too. Yeah. Yeah. So no, literally what you just said, one. Yeah.

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Oh my God. They arrived to his parents and she keeps checking in on him. And you see a lot of
sweetness coming from our hostage who basically Stockholm syndrome after about two seconds.
Yeah, no, almost, almost like this was, this was her dream right here. She's like, I have been

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waiting to be kidnapped my whole life. Almost like that's how quickly she goes along with this. Yeah.
Yeah. And that moment where he's like, will you hold me and then don't touch me? It's like that,
like a lot of people, a lot of people struggle with that. Like they, they want to be vulnerable,
everything like that. But every time that they actually put themselves in a position to actually

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accept some love, it physically gives them a reaction and they can't take it. Yep. That no,
yeah. Very strong inclusion. Can't knock that even a little bit. No, yeah. Meeting the parents,
the dad is so not about him and all about her. And I mean, oh my God, all about him. Yeah.

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That was uncomfortable. Yeah. It's hard to tell who is the worst parent in the, in this dynamic
here. Like they are, they are both wildly different shitheads in remarkable ways. And if, and the
tough thing is, is that because everybody in this family is clearly full of shit, they have to,

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they have to show us flashbacks of what happened in the past for us to understand what's going on.
Because nobody in this family tells the truth at all. They're all completely full of shit and
they're all bastards to each other. I don't know about that. That mom was pretty freaking honest
about how terrible she was. You know, it was the, remember the chocolate bit. She lied about that.

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Did she lie about it or was she straight up in denial and didn't remember it?
Oh, I suppose that's also possible. That's also possible. That's true. But that's kind of the
fact, like the fact that she says to her, to her son in front of his supposed wife, that she has
hated him his whole life and wished he was never born because he was born on the day of a football
game. Nah, she was pretty honest about who she was. That's a very good point. That's a very good

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point. The dad saying, uh, well, yeah, but I mean, the mom talking about that chocolate and being
like, what do you mean you love chocolate? And he's like, no, I'm, I'm gonna die if I eat that.
Right. Yeah. And then we literally see a flashback. Yeah, we see the flashback of that being literally
true, but we also get to keep that chocolate donut set up in the, in the shot the entire time. His

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life is like basically being at risk the entire time. Uh, just sitting in front of this, like,
that was a very powerful moment or thing to include in there, just to literally have their
disregard for his safety be a literal advertisement right in front of him. Right. Yeah. Yep. That,
yeah, that was a rough one. The dad saying daddy loves his new young daughter. And it's the first,

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it's the first thing that comes out of his mouth since they walked in the door. Like he opens the
door and he's like, ah, it's your son and walks off spends the next 10 minutes, just looking
really bored and pissed off until he finds an excuse to go, Hey, I love this girl and wrap his
arms around her and be like, daddy loves his new daughter, you know, and, and she's like, get off

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me old man in a very polite way. Uh, but she's still, you can still see the disgust on her face,
the whole thing. And he, and he's just like, but it's all, but it's also kind of weird how she even
kind of still like flatters him afterwards, but I guess that's kind of goes with the whole Stockholm
center. Well, that's the whole thing. Like her job was to make them like him and, uh, like her and

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all of this stuff. She does kind of a great job, but, uh, yeah, that whole CIA thing was way, way,
it was, it was fantastic. That was, uh, yeah, we met at the CIA. Yeah. He was a really, really rough
moment. And I don't know how common this is, but I, but I do know, like, I have some personal

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experience with this. When you take a girl home and you do kind of have that hope that,
I feel like there's two, there's two people, two kinds of people out there. The ones who,
when they take their partner home, they want their parents to show them pictures of when they were
children and tell some stories and their parents just don't like they just absolutely don't.

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And then there's the kind that really don't want that to happen. And that's all their parents do.
Right. Yeah. I've seen some experiences with, uh, being the, or being involved with the former
where somebody is trying to get their parents to be like, you know, like I brought my, like my
partner, I'd like, I, I can't just sit here and tell all these stories. Like, do you think maybe

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you could tell a story about like when I was a kid, like things like that, like these, that's the
things that they want to hear. They don't give a shit about you. They're just being nice and you're
taking wild advantage of a captive audience who does not give a fuck about you, but you cannot
stop talking about yourself. I have seen that it is, it was painful to watch then it was painful

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to watch here. Damn. The fact they literally only had the one photo and that is the photo from
cold open dude. Exactly. Yes. That's what we find that picture from the cold open turns out to be
the one picture they have of their child. And that's the, like, it kind of, like at first you're
kind of stunned because when she, when she, when Christina Ricci asks, when she says like, do you

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have any pictures of him that I can look at? And she goes, oh yeah. And she turns her husband, honey,
go get the picture of Billy. Like she says the picture of Billy and for, yeah. And there's,
and there's a second reason they're going like, did she say picture, not pictures picture, like
what? And then she pulls out the album of the photo album and they're all pictures of Billy.

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The photo album and they're all pictures of her with staff and stars of the Buffalo Bills. That's
what, and then a few minutes later, dad shows up. Yeah. Here's, here's the picture of Billy
with his dog. There you go. Like with the dog that he killed. Right. Yeah. Yeah. What happened
to the dog? The dog ran away. And then we get a flashback of the father straight up murdering

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the dog in front of Billy. Like, holy shit. Holy shit. Not very, I mean, like it's not very often
that we just cover a movie and I see a character that I really hope dies of prostate cancer.
That was that one. Yeah. But then, oh God, Ricci and the dad disappearing and then him like

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serenading her and then hauling off on her when she wants to hear another one. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, and I think that's, that's an interesting one too, because I think that kind of like plays
into the whole cyclical nature of all this. Okay. How do you mean? Because what we see here, well,
so we see the, uh, you know, he mentions that, you know, he used to be a singer and she's like,

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oh, what do you got? And he tapes. And so he's like, okay. Yeah. And he brings, brings her and
listens to the tapes and he, and he kind of lip syncs to the recording of his own singing. And
we see this sort of like the image change, like the room actually dark. Yeah. The room darkens
and he gets a spotlight. He's still wearing the ratty t-shirt, but he's now he's moving. Like he's

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got a tux on, like he's fricking Dean Martin and he's, he's singing the song that he loves,
that he loved to sing. And it's like, he's kind of like living in this dream world of what he
thought he was in the past. And when it's over, it kind of like her, you know, now he's kind of

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reminded of what like could have been in what never was like, he thought he was a big deal and
he never was. And now he's living the fact that he was never a big deal because he's just some old
dude, you know, who hates his son, you know, and doesn't talk to his wife because she's watching
football the whole time. And, and he, he just doesn't want to be reminded of that. He's,

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he's mad at her for, for making him feel happy again, when he was basically just, you know,
just to lose it again, you know, and that, and that's kind of like why, and we do see that kind
of in Billy as well. Like every time Billy starts talking about how much he hates that kicker from

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the Buffalo Bills and how he's going to get them, I'm going to fucking get that guy for ruining my
life. It comes right after something reminded him to his face that he's a fucking loser.
You know, whether it's that, that childhood, whether it's his mom or his childhood friend,
uh, the, you know, when he start, when he starts to lose his, his bowling game and start and stops

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feeling high from being a great bowler, he gets in this whole, like, I'm a piece of shit. And it's
fucking that guy's fault for, for fucking me on that bet, you know? And, and that's kind of what
his, his dad is kind of precursing that same thing of just, you know, getting that little bit of high
and then crashing it. Like how fucking dare you bring me to reality? This is your fault, you know?

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I was somebody five seconds ago. Uh, and that's kind of what we're looking at here. We're looking
at a precursor of basically what's wrong with Billy by seeing it in his dad in that same way.
And I think also to a certain degree-
Oh yeah, you see the explanation, but uh,
Yeah. And I think we see a little bit of that in, in, in re- the interesting thing is, is that we

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kind of see it in Ricci too, because later on in the movie, she kind of does the same thing. She
kind of goes into that sort of, you know, for her it's tap dancing instead of singing, but same thing,
the room darkens and there's a spotlight on her and she's kind of living in her own little dream
world. And so we kind of get a, we kind of get a clue in as to why she's going along with all this

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crazy shit because she's kind of crazy too. She's one of them, you know?
You know?
I can see where you got, I can see where you got there.
Yeah.
We might, I know I jumped ahead there, but that's kind of like-
Like, yeah, like, ooh.
I like, I did, I did tell you last week when I reckon, when I mentioned this movie is that I

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did watch it a bunch of times in a row, trying really hard to make sense of it. And I'm basically
just regurgitating the random theories I popped up, you know, back then, like 20 years ago. So.
I feel like I was able to make sense of it on one watching, but it hurt. It really hurt. I will say

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that. Well, this whole scene-
The main thing is-
Hold on. The main thing is, hold on.
It doesn't, okay.
Like this whole scene is basically what I'm talking about with where I'm saying like the hurt.
Ricci eating, like the vegetarian eating intestine, and then the dad freaking out about the knife
being pointed at him. That whole fight was fucking psychotic. And it like reminded me of going and

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visiting some other friends when like their families would fight like that and do things
like that. Like I wasn't there and I'm like, oh my, this is what it's like when I'm here. What
the hell is happening when I'm not? Like that was flashing me back to things. And that like a lot
of this movie was sending me back into some real rough memories. And this movie kind of feels like

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feels basically so goddamn true. It hurts. It hurts so much, man.
Yeah. It makes you wonder how much of it, like, I don't know anything about Vince Gallo's story,
but it's like, you get this really, really sinking feeling that some of this might be
autobiographical. Yeah, I'm thinking too accurate. I'm really, I'm really thinking so like either

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not directly the story, but definitely elements of the story because
this like it felt firsthand. Like that was the thing. Like I felt like I was the one being yelled
at while I was, I mean, this movie like very triggering, basically like very in line with
like a Matthew Bright film. Yeah. If you need one more reason to go watch another Matthew Bright

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film, Vincent Gallo is in Freeway 2. Interesting. I did not know that. Okay. Yeah. Like Freeway 2
Confessions of a Trick Baby. Yeah, that title alone kept me away from it. I was like,
Yep, that would do that. Just how much this family could not be bothered to give a damn about Billy.

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That title like that, that's right up there with Howling 3, Your Sister is a Werewolf.
I might watch that. I think I would laugh at that. I wouldn't find, I don't think anything about
Freeway 2 Confessions of a Trick Baby is something that would make me laugh.
Probably not. No. No. We talked about that. That moment where we get to see Mickey Rourke,

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it took me a moment because that was before Ricky Rourke like disappeared and then came back and did
the wrestler. Right. Yeah. He's still very small in this movie. Yeah.
Compared to me, but compared to himself later on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Mickey Rourke is playing the bookie and we find out that

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Gallo's character is actually just an innocent idiot. Placed a bet and because he couldn't pay
it out when he lost, he wound up taking the heat for something, somebody else's crime.
So which doesn't really seem all of a bad guy. Just like super,

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I mean, he is a bad guy, but yeah, that's it. That's the thing. Like he's a bad guy asterisk.
There's just more to it. He's an idiot who can't cope with his own idiocy basically.
He's a bad guy. Like dude, he kidnaps a champ. He fucking kidnaps a champ. Like,

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let's let that is the whole premise of the fucking movie.
But I loved that shot though, because we're looking at Mickey Rourke and he's sitting there
kind of going like, you know, and this dumbass, he was like, here's the story. Some dumbass
bets $10,000 that he doesn't have on the Buffalo Bills to win the Super Bowl. What kind of idiot

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bets on the Buffalo Bills to win the Super Bowl? Immediately cut to there's Vince Gallo sitting
there wearing a Buffalo Bills jacket and hat. Thinking that Scott Woods is going to carry them
to victory. Which if you're banking on your kicker, you already lost.

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Scheduling out all the letters and packages with Goon, who is now Rocky. And I had to keep going
back to it. I'm like, is that fucking Kevin Corrigan? Like I was like, dude, that looks just like him.
He's not even credited in the movie. No, it's weird. He doesn't have his name in the credits.
That is weird. I don't, I have no idea why. No, I went to the end of the, I was looking for, I was

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like, what? And then I went to the IMDB and I couldn't find it. And then I scrolled all the
way down to the uncredited and there he was. And I'm just like, why would you not credit Kevin
Corrigan in this? He's, it's a small role, but it is not a bit role. He has like three scenes in the
movie and he is the main character's best friend. Yep. And he's kind of the, he's kind of the one

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voice of consciousness. He's the one guy sitting there going like, don't do it, man. Don't, yeah,
don't do that. Don't place the bet. Don't do the bad thing. You know, like, yeah, he's a pretty
important character. Why didn't, why didn't the phenomenal actor who played him get credit? That
is a very good question. Yeah. Yeah. And I just felt real bad because that's what I'm talking

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about here, man. This ain't a good dude. The way he calls his best friend, the way he talks to him
and all that and just like hammers down on him and treats him like absolute garbage. Like dude, like
that's not a, not a good man, not a good friend, not a good dude. Just like, yeah, but an interesting
character. And that's kind of the, the goodbye and the car fight. Seriously, I wanted to kill this dad.

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I really did. I hated him so much. Oh, both, both of them. I mean, Jesus, it's, they're sitting there
fawning over her. They, they hugging her and kissing her, come to visit anytime. We're so,
we're so happy, you know, we'll come visit you, come visit us and bye, bye sweetie. And she walks
out the door. They both look at Billy and then turn around and walk. They don't, they don't even

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say goodbye to him. Nope. His mom just gives him a nod. Right. Yeah. Like, holy shit. Yeah. You
definitely feel bad for this character, but it doesn't excuse what the character does. That's
kind of the thing. Uh, Jan Michael Vincent running the bowling alley. I do want to go real quick. We

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skipped over, this is where it was. This was the one, yeah. The, the fight when they're driving,
driving away and, and he's like yelling her like the CIA, are you nuts? They're not going to believe
that. Like she, her line, her response to him is the one sane thing that anyone in this movie says.
And she says, you kidnapped me and I just went in there and did you a favor. What's your problem?

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Like that is the only time anybody in this movie makes any fucking sense.
Okay. I can see where you're coming from with that. I can see that. It's a good point. Yeah.
But, uh, including her, it's the, it's the only time her character isn't kind of crazy, you know,

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I guess the most, it's the most sense she makes even. See, I didn't, I didn't, I never saw her
character is crazy. That was a thing. Like I saw her like going into it and going along with it,
doing all this, but I saw her character as more of a curious character and not a crazy one.
I could see that for sure. Yeah. Like a little bit of that. Let's see where this goes. Cause this guy,

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this guy's kind of kooky. Yeah. Yeah. Because one, he never actually hurts her. And the longer that
that goes, the, that probably would leave a little bit of understanding with that character.
Like he didn't actually hurt me. He's not actually hurting me. He isn't like slapping me around or
cuffing me or tying me to things or anything like that. He's just like kind of, he's all talk. He

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might, he might be totally harmless. He might actually be harmless. And that's kind of the thing, because like when he left her in the car, he left her in the car with the keys and everything like that.
Like she could have bailed at any time. Like she was looking at him going like, this guy's really stupid.
Like probably just thinking like, yeah, I could get out of here at any moment I want, like whatever.
And just kind of riding the ride. That's, yeah. Okay. I can see that. And then just

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and then really taking the security at the parents house. Yeah.
Yeah. But yeah, Jan, Jan Michael, Vincent running the bowling alley and the gear up scene for the bowling.

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Somebody has a bowling fetish.
We have a, we have two characters almost naked in a bathtub in this movie and them getting ready to bowl is the most sensual part of this movie.
Right. Yes. And then there were, there was like between this movie and Kingpin.
And I'm trying to think, I feel like there was more than that, but there was like, there was like a trend of movies in the nineties that just really, you know,

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that really upped the optics of bowling. And there was this one and there was Kingpin is definitely like the top of the wall.
Yeah. Remember that one. I can't think of, I feel like I know some other bowling movies, but I can't actually.
Yeah. Because I know there's some, there was even like some Disney channel Disney movie bowling movies that were coming out about that time.

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Like, no, that was a thing. Yeah. I can't remember.
Many of them though, that moment where Billy's back and you reference this, Ricci gets that dance number.
As much as I do understand going back to rewatch this to try to understand it.

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Just indie moment, man. Just indie movie moment. That's what it was.
We just want to have a scene of someone tap dancing at a bowling alley and we'll just find a way to slot him in.
I think it was just an art house moment, man. I don't think it was anything to do with the character or the story.
I think it was just an art house moment.
Yeah, you might be right, but I like it better when it's like, you know, symbolic of something.

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No, I get that too. There's just like that.
That basically is the only evidence that she's nuts. That's it.
The rest of the time she sees this character, she's taking pity on him.
We don't know anything about her backstory. She may be abused and everything like that as well.
So what she's seeing Billy going through is just very much informing her of what she's looking at.

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She finds out that the dude got out of jail that day.
So if she is somebody who has been around people who have gone through extreme trauma,
she may be willing to wait and see what comes out the other side.
However, this is literally a cautionary tale.
Ladies and gentlemen, don't date people to fix them.

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Because that's basically what this was.
Yeah, yeah.
That's how this ended.
And we do see that she is constantly commenting on how vulnerable he looks.
Like she's calling him, you know, cute. You look like a little boy, you know, curled up like that.

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She's constantly commenting on how weak and feeble he is in a good way.
She likes seeing him that way. That's her whole...
Like it's weird how quickly she falls for this guy, but it seems like most of that is, oh, look how broken you are.
I can save you, is the entire motivation here.

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See, this is a very real story because of how wildly unhealthy it is.
Most people aren't healthy.
Most people have at least one relationship in their background where they're like, how the fuck did I not see that coming?
No, I did see that coming. I saw it every step along the way and I did it anyway.

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This is one of those stories.
Yeah, 100%.
Billy's butt hurt goes to call Scott Wood's joint.
When Rishi gets that strike.
Yeah, because he's been hitting strike after strike and then the ball gets stuck.

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It's thrown off his groove. His next ball is a gutter ball.
And she's like, well, let me try. And he's like, fine, try, see if I care.
And she immediately hits a strike. He is so fucking pissed by that.
And like I said, his first thought is, all right, I'm going to go kill Scott Woods.
I got to make a phone call. Because even though Scott Woods had nothing to do with this moment,

(43:25):
in Billy's mind, everything is Scott Woods' fault.
Then we get that scene where they go to the photo booth and I didn't understand it until afterwards.
And then afterwards, it made absolutely no sense.
But they go into the photo booth to get some pictures, which I thought it was for evidence.
Like he's going to go shoot Scott Woods and this is supposed to be evidence that they were on the other side of town.

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But no, his plan is to take out Scott Woods and then himself in the process.
So when they're leaving, they're going to be like, will you send one picture to my family every month?
It's like, dude, they're the same fucking picture.
Every Christmas, every Christmas.
Yeah, every Christmas. Yeah.
But then, oh, dude, going to the photo booth scene.

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While they're in the photo booth and he's sitting there going like, this is us spanning time.
Again, this we're back to when he's talking about the cars, the shift themselves.
He's repeating the same line as though it makes sense.
This is us spanning time. All right. We're a couple. We're in love.
And we're spanning time. Just look at the camera.
And every time she tries to put her arm around him or give him a kiss for the photo,

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she's playing up for the camera. And he's like, fucking knock it off. Stop doing this.
We're a couple who love each other, but we don't touch each other.
We're just spanning time.
Look at the camera. That was like something out of like a Ricky Gervais show,
where it's like everything is so fucking uncomfortable.
You have to laugh or else it's going to fucking kill you.

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Pretty much. No, I get that.
But yeah, that's that moment where he's like, we got to be like we like each other.
She's like, but I do like you, Billy.
Even when I was watching, I was like, God, I think she actually means that.
Yeah. And that was a moment like in my head, I was like, Billy, run.

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You don't get it, man. You're seeing this now.
But if she's willing to be here now, there's something wrong.
You're wrong. Definitely. That's not even that.
There's something off here.
That's not even the first clue that that's dropped.
That's the second one, because if we go back to when he walks into the the bowling alley

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and Jan Michael Vincent goes, who's the girl?
She goes, I'm his wife. Like.
Like, like she does it in kind of a weird way, like almost like she's making fun of
Billy for making her pretend to be the wife. But five minutes later, they're in the photo
booth and goes, we got to pretend to like each other. But I do like you.

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All of a sudden, it's like, oh, click, click. Wait a second.
And that even comes later on when they're at the restaurant, when they meet his childhood love.
Yeah, literally. The actual Wendy Balsam played by Rosanna, Rosanna Arquette.
And.
Oh, right. And when she says I'm Wendy Balsam and Richie.

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OK, any smart person, any person with half a brain would go, oh, shit, this. OK.
But no, Richie's character, her response is to look at her indignantly and go, I'm Wendy Balsam.
Like, and again, it's like, is she fucking with him for making her play this role or

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does she actually want to be his childhood love interest?
We can't fucking tell anymore because she's all over the place now.
Oh, I think she's fucking with him all the way. Like, you know, right there.
Now, you might be sure all the way, all the way, whole movie,
fucking with him the entire way through. Personally, that is absolutely what I think.

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She knows once she figures out that this dude is a teddy bear
and that he isn't actually going to do anything, she's along for the ride and she's fucking with him.
OK, OK, I can see that. I think once she I think once she figures him out,
she actually figures him out and is just in it. That's what I think.

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OK. Yeah, trying to separate, but winds up at that diner, which.
And the explanation about her and like the childhood thing and him following her when
they were a kid. OK, I need to be very clear about this. It sent me into a flashback,

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but it's not because I was ever following like that. I remember being in like fourth grade
and there's something about trees with no branches on them with a white background.
That's something that I really have always enjoyed. And I remember staring out the window
from across the room and looking outside at this like one branch. And my friend who is still my

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friend to this day, Patty, she's like looking at me and you just kind of see like, imagine I'm
looking right here. She's me and I do not see her looking back at me. She's just like.
Why are you staring at me? Yeah, just now they like what? And like she told me afterwards that

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she was doing that for like five minutes, just getting really pissed off. And I'm just sitting
there just like, what a pretty branch. See, at the same time, though, I can go a step further
because when I was about, I want to say fourth grade, third grade ish, I can't remember exactly
where, but I was the kid who would take the long way home just so I could pass by the home of the

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girl I like. I think a lot of people, I think a lot of people are like that. I don't think that's
that uncommon. I wonder if I ever did that. I hope not because I just confessed to essentially
light stalking. So I hope it's not uncommon. No, I mean, no, I think that's a really common
thing that like young kids do and stuff like that. Walking past, walking past the football

(49:36):
team practice and stuff like that. Like when I was in high school, girls would do that to look at the
certain guys. We would go like track and field. Nobody gave a shit about going like to nobody
gave a shit about track and field, but there was still an audience. And usually that was all for
just one reason. Somebody was there because they liked somebody who was competing. So I don't think

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that that is that uncommon. You know what I'm saying? Okay. Yeah. All right. But I am still
trying to remember if I ever did anything like that, because I would definitely go visit subway
more often because like there were like, I knew a couple of girls who worked there that I thought
they were really pretty. So I would go eat at subway all the time. And isn't that basically the

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same thing? I mean, kind of. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So that's what I mean. Like if you put that, if you
put that in the same vein, I don't think that's it. I think that's a really actually common thing
that a lot of people do when they're younger. But yeah, but at the same time, it also really,
really sucks when you run into that person 10 years later and they're like, oh yeah, remember

(50:42):
when you were a total bitch for me when you when you kept walking by my house like a creep?
I noticed I remember and I'm throwing it in your face right now. Whether it matters or not, it kind
of still fucks with you and obviously fucks with and it fucks with Billy here too, because what does
he do? He immediately says fucking I'm going to fucking shoot that I'm going to fucking shoot that
kicker man because like you can like because that's how he did that every time he's brought down.

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No, not her. I'm talking to the movie. I know. Oh, I thought you were saying I thought you
were literally saying that was the end of that story. And I'm like, oh, dude. Oh, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no. I mean, I have I have had to certain degrees like I know, I have had it do come
up, but not that harshly. No, the way she did it in that movie. No, I had like, there was like a

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cup, a couple of occasions where like, you know, one of my, you know, I got an older stepsister,
one of her friends, you know, showed up at my stepsister's wedding. And there was a little bit
of the oh, OK, OK. No, no, no. And that was that was. Yeah. Yeah. It's embarrassing, but it's not
that fucking bad in that regards kind of thing. You know, sure. Yeah. No. OK. Yeah. No. My

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every one of my sister's friends, I had a crush on, like not even like without exception,
like all of them. If you were one of my sister's friends when I was a teenager,
I had a crush on you. That's life. Most of them have at one point or another absolutely just

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destroyed my ego with like, oh, you think you're cool. Remember when you used to walk around and
sing Backstreet Boys all the time and try to impress us? Yeah. Yeah. They're like if you give
if you give a damn about looking good at all, that would have crushed you. And it did. Yeah.

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Yeah, it absolutely did. And the worst part about who I am is every single one of those
women who did that, I got even a bigger crush on them after that. I am a messed up man. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I've got a story that can go for off air.

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Do you want me to just cut it or do you want to wait until later? No, no, no.
We'll talk about it later. All right. So Gallo takes it all out on Ricci and the girls stink
speech was. Oh, yeah. That was funny. That was funny. That got a laugh out of me. But
then we see Gallo in the bathroom crying for help. And that's literally he's crying and he's just

(53:29):
like, help me. He knows everything he's doing is wrong. He just doesn't. It's like he doesn't see
another option. There is no other option outside of this terrible path of decision making that he
is on. And you really feel it, man. Yeah. Like I give I give a lot of credit. And Ricci is crying

(53:52):
over him. That was when I thought she was crazy. That was when I thought she was crazy. Yeah.
Yeah. And also, I mean, let's let's be honest, you know, rejection fuck fucks with you no matter who
it comes from. So. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can I can I can see kind of where you're coming from with that.

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Yeah, OK, we'll just we'll just kind of leave that there because I have no idea which way to take
that one. Oh, I'm not excusing her behavior in this. I'm just saying it's not that far out of
the it's not that far into crazy town. Yeah. Yeah, except it is. If you get rejected by the dude who

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kidnapped you and you're sad about it, I'm calling you crazy. Doc, you're just looking at Christina
Ricci. No, I know. She really can do no wrong. She's she's an angel. She can do whatever she wants.
She's always right. No, you're right. That is. Yeah, I see your point there. I see the mistake

(55:02):
that I've made. Let's move on. OK, all right. All right. Billy talking about how much comfort
she brought him from afar. Literally the stalker in training, man. But yeah, in the bath and reach
and reach you want. OK, this actually was my way biggest laugh of the film. She wants to be in the

(55:27):
bathroom with him. And then he's like, no, because if you get in here, you're just going to take it
a little bit further. And then she's come in. She's like, I'm freezing. Can I get in the bathtub?
And I'm like, that's not how baths work. No. If it's cold outside, it's going to be cold in there.
So I was laughing about that. Then when he finally caves and allows her in the tub with him,

(55:48):
he adds clothes. He puts a shirt on. Yes, he gets in the tub in his tighty wideys to start with.
And then when he and then when she gets in the tub with him, he puts a shirt on. Yeah,
which is definitely us laughing at trauma behavior. But I it was again, dark comedy.

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Yeah, there you go. It is. That is where the dark comedy comes in.
Yeah, the bed. That is. That was a sweet moment. That was like the one truly sweet for all the shit.
It was a sweet moment. It was. It had a lot of pain. It had a lot of hurt in that moment.

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Being so close to the border, trying to be as far away from her as possible. But he also wants
to be there, which is why he's there. Right. There was. Yeah. And she gently tries. She first
starts by touching his hand, which he kind of lets her do for a second and then takes it back.

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And it's like you see this slow progression. We don't know how long they were laying there.
They did kind of give us a clue in that a lot of time is passing by giving us a lot of cuts
where they're in different positions. So we're getting the feeling that a lot of time is passing
for all we know, this could have been two hours, three hours that it took for him to finally just

(57:14):
get close enough to her for her to actually touch him. Well, yeah, that whole section of the movie
basically took place over about what I'm guessing to be about three or four hours.
Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah. Because when he's on the phone, he's like, oh,
yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah. Because when he's on the phone before, she tells him

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it's eight o'clock and he knows that he can't go to the strip club until two. So yeah, that's a
bare minimum of four hours there. And they probably were only at the restaurant for about a half an
hour. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah. That's that's that's about the timeline that I'm thinking that.
Yeah. But through that, then when he does finally, and then they actually cave and he does cave and

(57:57):
he does go over and get a little bit of smooching and some safety snuggles, I thought he was going
to sleep through the murder attempt and then wake up in the morning and have a realization
like about like how she helped him let it go or something like that.
Not this not how this shook out. No, no, but he does. It does. It does kind of seem like it sets

(58:22):
the spark because he is in that moment. He actually allows himself to be vulnerable.
He gets the comfort hold. It is exactly what the it's what he's needed since the day that
fucking picture of him and his dog was taken. Clearly, this dude's never been hugged by his
mother. And so the fact that she's actually yeah, the fact that she's actually just giving him a

(58:46):
singular moment of affection the most that he's ever had in his life. So it may not have worked
right away, but there is definitely something rolling and you can see it when he does get up
to go do it. He go he's like, all right, it's time to go. It's time to go. He's got to say I love you.
Right. Which is weird because she just met him that morning when he kidnapped her.

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Like the entire span of this movie takes place in under 12 hours.
Yeah, just I mean, I love you. Like, say, huh? He's the sweetest guy.
Huh? Like, OK, OK, but that all comes from. OK, all right. This was this. OK, it comes from.

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We're so close to the end of the movie. I'm having a hard time actually keeping my
summarization in. OK. But I'm I'm almost there. All right. Because once I say it, you're going to.
OK. OK. Calling Rocky slash goon to give away all of his locker stuff and Rocky's in this like,

(59:56):
man, don't do the. I mean, Rocky is very clearly like high as hell on heroin or something like
that. Like he is out of it very clearly. And even he's telling my don't do the bad things.
Stop it. All this. OK, this may have been my biggest laugh of the film. The bartender with the

(01:00:18):
enormous missing tooth. You're like, oh, yeah, where's he at? Like, and I think if you are missing
one of your two front teeth, your reaction to a general question is not going to be, oh, yeah,
there. With the biggest like like I but that was funny as hell. But it was it was a great kind of

(01:00:39):
cinematic moment because it is it's very slow motion points and big grin. It's it's it's like
it kind of it kind of highlights how weirdly cosmic this room is. Like this was a slice out
of reality. Nothing. Oh, yeah. No, it's actually like that. That's not how things go down.
Like, you know, you're not going to see the shirtless owner off in a corner counting money

(01:01:04):
with a cigar in his mouth. All this stuff. No, that was a fucking cartoon. No, yeah.
You got over in one corner. You got a girl dancing on a table with three guys motionlessly staring
up at her as she's dancing like this. This was a surrealist sculpture, the strip club.
Yeah. And then when we go into what we find out is a fantasy about him actually successfully

(01:01:29):
icing Scott Wood. How do you think they filmed that? I was that was not bullet time.
No, it was not bullet time. They were trying to kind of create the vibe of bullet time. But I think
they really did just find a way to get everyone to stand really, really still. That's what I would

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die to. My guess was as well, because if you go back and watch that scene, you'll notice nobody's
hair is defying gravity. Nobody's clothing is defying. Nothing is actually in motion.
So I'm right there with you on that. I think that's I think they definitely got a lot of help.
I think like especially the scene where he's dropping the gun, like, sure, definitely the gun

(01:02:15):
is held up by a string. I'm betting they even have some sort of support bar under his arm to keep it
from wavering so he can actually rest on it and be actually still. So I think they definitely they
planned it out and they, you know, but yeah, I think I think it literally is just a case of everyone
holds still while we move the camera. But the fact that they got it looking the way they did

(01:02:36):
with just that methodology is kind of fucking amazing.
I'll agree with that.
Parents at the funeral.
Just. Yeah, his fantasy of doing a murder suicide ends with him imagining his parents at his funeral.

(01:02:58):
Not grieving him at all. That's his.
That's his fantasy. Yeah. And his mom's listening to a game on the radio and not even pay attention.
Like that's. Well, then he gets out of there and he calls Rocky to tell him that he's got a
girlfriend who's nice and pretty and she's in love with him. And I'm like, OK, well, technically

(01:03:20):
that's not a lie. Yeah, but it sounds like the lies he's been telling up to this point. Yeah.
Yeah. And that is that is kind of funny, too, because it's like he calls up. He calls up Rocky
to say, you're my friend. I'm sorry about the way. Yeah. No, but like the best part is, is that he
calls him up. He's like, I'm going to give you all my stuff because you're my best friend. I'm sorry

(01:03:40):
about everything. He goes in, changes his mind, decides not to kill Scott Woods, immediately goes
back to the phone and goes, never mind. I take it all back. Don't touch my stuff, you asshole.
That was good. I did enjoy that. Yeah.
Look, so he goes out and he's he's buying all these things for his girlfriend and everything

(01:04:01):
like that. I thought all the way to my core that she was not going to be in that room.
Oh, that he was going to do all that, go back to the hotel room and she'd be gone.
I thought we were going to get the independent film ending.
That wasn't the indie film ending. That was the Hollywood film ending.

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That was yeah. And but the thing is, is that it wasn't even ending. He leaves the store to go do
that. And we go to a still shot of the two of them sitting together with just the words, the end.
So maybe they did film the indie film ending and change their mind at the last second or something.
Well, yeah, because she doesn't look happy. Like he looks content, but she's staring off kind of
like, all right, now it's safe to kill him. Like, how do I tell my parents how he met? Oh, shit.

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OK, now I'm going to give you my summarization of this film. OK.
This is a white woman getting attacked by a stray dog and adopting the pet.
I can't find anything wrong with that. I can't find anything wrong with that summarization. Yeah.

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No, that's the funny thing is that after I told you this movie last week and you said what kind
of movie is that, I said, oh, it's a dark comedy. And then after we ended for the night, I started
thinking about the movie and remembering parts of it. And that's where I went, oh, shit, is it a dark
comedy or is it actually just a really bad drama that I found funny? Oh, what if this movie is not

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as good as I remember it to be like, I guess I actually kind of got a little nervous because
even though, yeah, I said I watched it religiously for a couple of months, I kind of haven't watched it
for like 15, 16 years. And so it did kind of, you know, there was a moment where I was like, oh, shit.
How did it how did it age with you? Did it stick with you?

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Well, there there was I mean, there were parts that were less funny this time around that,
you know, the bathroom scene, like I mentioned before, where he just goes full, you know, slurs
on the dude there. That was funnier to me in, you know, when I was young and stupid than it is now.

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But other than that, it was pretty much as I remember it. And it was a little bit more
it was a little bit more cringy of remembering why I liked certain parts of it. Sure. Like,
the fact that at the time, Christina Ricci's character kind of reminded me of my ex wife.
And so that kind of, you know, was endearing to me at the time.

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It's a little more red flaggy the second time around the year, you know, in the in
hindsight of that relationship, you know, so
if this performance from Christina Ricci reminds you reminded you. Yeah, I would have to say so.
Casper, but not much. But she but but you know, she's still great. You know, she's still I thought

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did a good job. She was still adorable, even if I, you know, slice that part away, you know.
But but yeah, no, altogether, I would I'm I still I still enjoyed watching it. I still loved it.
I kind of did, you know, I was Kevin Corrigan was glad to see him again in that original role

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that I always saw him as. He said every time he shows up on TV. Wild. Yeah. Every time he shows
up, I'm still like, that's going here he is. You know, we're doing this. So would you call it a must see?
No. Unless you're a friend of mine,

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if you if you're someone who knows me personally, we're probably not going to be able to talk on any
level until you've seen the movie. But other than that, as far as like the grand cinematic culture
of things go, no, it's not. I got to agree with you there. I feel like there are some people who
are going to wildly appreciate it more than others. But I don't actually think it's a must see for

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anybody. Unless you're a I mean, if you're a huge fan of Vincent Gallo, this is his directorial debut.
Yep. If you're a fan of Christina Ricci, then it's she's a great reason to go see it. It was
my entire reason for seeing it in the first place. And it is it is a very quintessential 90s art

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flick. So if you're just an art film nerd, then this should absolutely be on your list.
But yeah, as far as the the grand zeitgeist of culture goes,
no, no, it's not. It's not a must see for everybody. This is a movie for film nerds. And that's about it.
The Big Lebowski. That's another bowling movie.

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There you go. Thank you. Oh, my God. How was that not already the top of my head?
Fucking A. I am so disappointed in myself.
So I think I have our formula figured out with my light hearted and joyful stuff that also
brings tears. I think I need to watch mine second because oh, my God, you keep just destroying me

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with everything you bring to the table, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good stories. Good stories.
Good films. Great work. I have not been disappointed yet, I don't think. I have to go back through and
actually check to see if there ever was anyone. But no, so far, I think as far as I'm concerned,

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it's been a good run. OK, well, that's good. That's good to hear. I feel I feel bad about that
considering like, I'd say maybe a good 10, 15 percent of the movies you've given me have been
like, oh, no, thank you. So I feel it feels rude to just, you know, be like and and my suggestions
are obviously superior, sir. Well, there's really there's really a couple of ways to look at that.

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One, there is there is that way. You can see it that way. Two, it's easier for me to find the
enjoyable parts. OK, I guess that's true. I am a little bit more critical.
I have been I have been told that like that means that like my taste is basic. And I'm like.

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It might be, but doesn't that kind of just mean I live a little bit better of a life in that regard
because of that? Yeah, there there is something to be said. It's it's a weird it's a weird kind of
like half and half thing like and I usually akin this to like wine drinking basically because there

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are folks who are. Yeah, you know, they're they're very in they're very into the entire wine making
process and everything. But. For some reason, being having the ability to know enough about wine,
to be able to discern the difference between a really, really good wine versus a kind of shitty

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one that usually results in now you can't enjoy life unless it's the really, really good one.
The people who are perfectly happy with the shitty ones, they're perfectly happy, you know,
and it doesn't cost them anything to be happy because it's the cheap wine that's good.
But at the same time, they are kind of missing out on what it is that makes the good wine good.

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So it's this kind of like back and forth the thing where it's like if you, you know, the more you know,
the more you know, the worse it gets. But but to, you know, I think it's probably it's probably
things like this where the phrase ignorance is bliss comes from. I was gonna say that. Yeah.
Yeah. But at the same. So it's like I it's how the way like wine snobs feel about wine. That's tends

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to be how I feel about movies and TV shows. And I realize it makes me sound like an asshole most
of the time because I think wine snobs are assholes. So I'm perfectly aware of that.
I try my best to be even handed in that. But it's like that's that's the curse of being a nerd is
that you you know what it is you're talking about. I do. I got to. Yeah. I mean, but the whole

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ignorance is bliss as far as that goes. That covers basically literally everything, actually.
When I grew up more out in the country and everything like that. Yeah, I was very entertained by
a lot of things that just at this point, fun, not enough. Right. Yeah, I need I need museums,

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I need galleries, I need an ever changing scape of artistry and all that. I that is something that
I have become accustomed to and doing the same thing like repetition doesn't work for me anymore.
I really need new experiences because that is where I've really found happiness. And

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so the smaller town I do understand like, I appreciate it in a different way. But I very
much understand that it is not for me. Right, I getcha. Yeah. Our second movie of the night
is going to be Remember the Titans. And in my eyes, incredible film. I absolutely love this one.

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It just it reaches me in so many ways. And the fact that it's based on a true story is
just yeah, I'm gonna tell you going into this. Okay. Because it was you know, we mentioned this
last week. I'm not a huge sports guy. You know, I think I've seen one sports movie, two sports
movies that I could think of that I liked. Rudy I was never Rudy and League of their own. Oh.

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So I was not really like, I was never excited to see this movie. You know, I people had brought it
up before, you know, anytime, you know, any kind of sports movie comes up, you will be like, oh,
and then Remember the Titans, man, that's that's like the football movie, the football movie. And
I'm like, yeah, okay, whatever. Oh, I mean, it's the football movie. I barely even think it's a
football movie. See, and that's the thing. That's what I'm getting at is, is I'm getting the

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feeling that I've been robbed. Because now that I've seen the movie, now that I know it is not a
fucking football movie. Football is the goddamn backdrop of an astounding story about integration
in the south. Like, oh my god. Who are all these assholes who've been lying to me all these years
telling me this was a football movie keeping me away from this amazing movie? I mean, I'm not

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being smart about these years telling me this was a football movie keeping me away from this Amazing
piece of artwork. I have I'm there will be a very stern letter in the times about this in the morning,
let me tell you, this movie was fucking amazing. I was I was pretty fucking shocked. No, I am to

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So, like I said, based on a true story, written by Gregory Alan Howard, directed by Boaz Yakin,
if I'm saying that correctly?
I don't know.
Don't know that one.
Starring Denzel, don't even need a second name, starring Denzel Washington, Will Patton,

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Wood Harris, Ryan Hurst, and Hayden Panettiere.
Now, you can really throw up a really big argument over who this is starring and who
this isn't starring.
That's my point of view.
Right.
With Donald Faison, Craig Kirkwood, Ethan Suppley, Kip Pardue, Nicole Ari Parker, Kate Bosworth,

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which that took me a minute before I recognized her.
I knew I knew who she was, but it took me a minute.
Right.
And then there's Roel Poitier, Ryan Gosling, and Burgess Jenkins.
Yeah.
Let's take a second and talk about this cast before we get into it.
Yeah, no kidding.
Because, first of all, like, and being that this was a period piece, you know, of the

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60s, and a very, very well shot one, it like, I had to keep reminding myself that this movie
wasn't brand new, because it's extremely well done in that regard.
And so when Ryan Gosling fucking shows up on the screen, there's literally in my brain
is who's this Ryan Gosling looking motherfucker?
Oh, it's actually Ryan Gosling.

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Shit.
You know, same thing with with with Hayden Pinnitare.
You know, I'm like, Jesus Christ, the fucking cheerleader from Heroes is a goddamn child.
How did that happen?
And she's and the crazy thing is, is that she's no different.
She's the exact same face and character.
She's just shorter.
That's the only difference.
Level of talent.

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Exactly.
Yeah, it's the cheerleader from Heroes steals the show in this fucking movie for crying
out loud.
And all they had to do was shrink her down to you know, they probably used some of that
Lord of the Rings stuff and just make her look shorter because she really looks looks
at sounds exactly the same.
So it's an interesting thing about the Cheryl character.

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Coach Yost actually had four daughters and Cheryl died.
Oh, shit.
Yeah, she's from an unknown heart condition that she was under that went undiagnosed.
Her three are her three sisters who were not featured in this film at all because they
lived with Yost's wife.

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OK.
And they didn't really they didn't really want to show that there was kind of problems
in that arena.
So the three sisters were completely on board with the film featuring Cheryl and kind of
representing as her as an only child because it was the throw to their deceased sister.
That is a level of heart that you kind of rarely come by.

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You really do.
But man, it really fits in the tone of this movie, considering just how much heart was
put into this story.
Like it's not at all shocking.
It's like, yeah, that makes sense in in the tone of this flick of just absolute selflessness
to this degree.
Like, sure, I absolutely buy it.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
No matter what you want to say about Disney, they know how to open films and their use
of the score in this.
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
Oh, and I forgot to mention Donald Faison, of course, who for me has always been Turk
from Scrubs to see him play.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
For to see him playing this rash football player kid like it was kind of a treat to
see.
You know, it wasn't a stretch of a character for him because he's kind of a brash jock
in as as Turk as well.
But still, it was it was fun to see him, you know, young, I guess, in the in the end.

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And so, yeah.
And Will Patton, of course, too.
You know, I think the last time I saw absolutely crushing it.
Yeah.
I think the last thing I saw him in was Falling Skies.
And you know, he was kind of the best thing in that show.
And he was next to Noah Wiley.
So that's saying a lot.
That is fair.
All right.
What do you say we get into it?

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Let's do it.
All right.
We open on the Titans showing up to a funeral and an immediate cut to the integration of
the South.
Wow, because when we find out about what that particular riot is about, Ryan Gosling shows
up to inform on the riot about to break out.

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And it's about a black kid getting getting it's about a black kid getting killed.
Yeah.
How relatable is that always going to be?
I mean, for God's sakes, that's got to stop at some time, man.
That's the crazy thing about this flick is how still like relevant to today it is.

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And it's a 30 fucking year old movie about shit that took place 30 fucking years before
the movie came out.
Like what the hell, people?
Dude.
This was your immediate your immediate example of who the coach is and how he takes care

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of the boys and how he's looking out for their future and everything.
Tells them that if any one of them is involved in this riot in this fight on either side,
well, we know what side they would have been on.
None of them are going to play for the year.
So the coach is already coming in protecting the boys and making sure that everything protecting

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them from themselves.
Yes, absolutely.
Back to the school and we meet Coach Boone.
This is such a high tension scene.
I mean, Coach Yoke is the coach.
Yost is the only one who's not acting racist in there.
The assistant coach is asking him, like, why aren't you out there hollering with the rest

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of your friends?
And just to watch Denzel squeeze that football at that or at that line.
Yeah.
This movie.
I'm so glad you liked it, man.
I was a little nervous on my is not doing this shit on purpose.
But OK.
All right.
Yeah.
I would look.

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I'm going to be honest.
Like when I saw the Disney logo come up at the beginning, I got a little worried.
I was like, what?
No one.
Brad didn't tell me he was giving me some Disney shit.
What is this?
All right.
I took I take it back.
I take it back.
Oh, I every once in a while, Disney, they absolutely deliver.
They do.

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They do.
Yeah.
I'd like them to go back to 2D animation.
I'd like I'd like to see a return just to that era.
Less expensive to make.
And when they did something incredible, like what they did with Beauty and the Beast.
Right.
That that absolutely stood the test of time.
Yep.
Yeah.
I'd like to see Disney go back to making 2D and.

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Yeah.
Focus on your story.
Don't worry about your technological advancements.
Let Pixar worry about that.
OK, everybody stay in their lane.
Yeah.
But say Disney is not exactly crushing it with that.
They should probably just keep like the 2D animation or they should bring the 2D animation
back and deliver all those excess software and graphic engineers.

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Right.
Toss them over to Marvel because you need them.
Oh, yeah.
No, those poor bastards need some help for sure.
Yeah, really do.
To find out how much they're overworked and oh, my God.
Yeah.
Get them some help.
I love this speech, but like this this conversation between the two coaches is like I come to

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win.
That's it.
I'm going to win.
Like that's it.
Like it's not about politics.
It's not about race.
It's not about any of this.
And the coaches have their own conversation with just their eyes.
And that is why you get powerhouse actors like Denzel and Will Patton.
Yeah.
Because so much was said without a word being said.

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Like that.
And that was a reoccurring theme between the two of them all the way to the end of the
movie.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, the scenes between these two guys had extremely minimal dialogue, if any at all
sometimes, and yet had volumes of translation behind them that you could see in every way

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that they said everything or looked at things.
It was astounding the way they did this.
Yeah.
The racist neighborhood as the boons are moving into their house and they're all talking about
it and discussing it.
They didn't say the words, but they were basically saying, there goes the neighborhood.

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Right.
Pretty much.
Yeah.
And like how specific they were on this.
The white people in this neighborhood, a random black person shows up and they knew who he
was and where he worked.
Like that is how particular.
Let's go with that word, because this is a PG.
I can't even believe this would not be a PG movie if it was released now.

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Probably not.
No.
Because basically people would be freaking out about CRT.
Yeah.
Like.
Yeah, no.
Because this is a movie that in no uncertain terms kind of makes the white people look
bad for the first half of the movie.
I mean.

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General white population was not on the right side of the civil rights movement.
No, of course not.
Yeah, especially not in that part of the country for sure.
And that's the problem.
That's kind of.
They had their rights.
They were fine.
They were good.
They weren't.
It wasn't their problem.
So they weren't really involved with it.

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And let's, you know, this becomes illustrated a couple of scenes later.
And I kind of want to talk to that.
So.
Well, yeah, because black people getting rights in the 60s and being integrated and
all this stuff is.
The reactions that people had then are the same reactions as people have now to trans
people being in sports and gay people getting married.

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They are fighting it in ways that don't fucking make sense.
But the interesting thing is, is that the reason why is illustrated right here.
And when, you know, we find out that a decision was made, like the guy that, you know, Denzel's

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character.
Yeah, that's my next note is the.
The head coach debacle.
So right.
Yeah.
Denzel is told that our first patent is told that he is going to be losing his position.
And then we cut to Denzel and Denzel saying he cannot take this man's position because
he got fired because he was replaced by a white coach.
Right.

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Like you're asking me to do this to this man.
I cannot do that.
The moral center of coach was wildly intact the whole time.
And that and that basically comes down to what like all of these all these fights when
it comes to, you know, trans people, gay people, people of color, all this sort of stuff.

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It's all illustrated right there because what we have is a power structure of very wealthy
people who have created a system in which there is a tiered system of who gets what
rights, privileges and powers.
And there is limited amount of room in all of those.
You can't have two coaches for, you know, you know, you can't have two people doing

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the same job.
You have to have one person in charge.
And so the guy who's there happens to be white because that is, you know, all that was offered
in that neighborhood up to that point.
Like there's like, well, in the interest of, you know, quote unquote fairness, we're going
to fire you and give you a job to the black guy to show that we're not racist against

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black people.
But it was keyed in later on that there is literally no black coach.
They had to give him, they had to give somebody the chance.
And the fact, I mean, they chose a champion coach.
So I mean, yeah, but that is what it comes down to is that it's this, it's this fear.

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It's this fear that there is limited room in the country and if we let those people
in,
Oh, you're talking the replacement theory.
Yeah.
And that, and that is generally whether they, whether they say that they believe in that
or not, that is kind of what is everybody's fear that if I have to compete with even more

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people for this, then I'm definitely going to lose out.
I was, I was already having a hard time when it was just white people fighting for this
position.
If we had all the blacks, all the Latinos, all the gays, all the trans, if we're throwing
them into, I'm really fucked.
That's what everybody in this movie and in this country is genuinely afraid of whether

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they realize it or not.
And they're not wrong to be afraid of that because this country, I mean, with our capitalistic
structure, that is what it is.
People have to be fucked in order for other people to be good.
Yeah.
So, I mean, that fear is based in reality.
It's just a fucked up fear.
Right.
It's, there's no, like, it would make more sense to have that, that product, that fear

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taken away then to continue to victimize each other over it.
But we, but we can't.
I'm honestly, I mean, we talked about this a little bit already, but baby Hayden Panetti
are just crushing the whole movie.
Like when she's pissed off, she's more mad than the coach.
She kicks the messenger and then runs away.
I know that was great.

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The whole black community showing up to Boone's home, though, like this was an era that literally
every single win meant everything to this entire community.
And you can, you can see and feel the heart, like how much it was affecting them because
that's what it was.
It's like, I'm not, I'm not Jesus, the Messiah or anything like that.

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It's like, I'm just a coach.
And then they're like, hell yeah, you're our coach.
And that's really the true sentiment of that is they never had theirs.
This was their first time.
This was them going to these kinds of games and all this stuff.
Yeah.
It's tough for me to relate to because even like, oh, I can't relate.

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I can't relate to it.
I can just sit there and be like, my empathy is maxed out when I watch that man.
Right.
Yeah.
And that's the thing is like, and you know, I've had things that, you know, I have enjoyed
in groups of friends and stuff like that.
I mean, my friends going out to movies and stuff like that.
But like when you see these like, and we, I was even talking, we were talking about

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it before with, with frequency, the neighborhood getting together to watch the baseball and
stuff like that, the way this entire town comes together for their high school football.
I have never experienced anything with that mass kind of unity where we all so love this
thing.

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We are all family as you know, for, you know, not benefit.
You know, like benefits of growing up in the big city.
Yeah.
I mean, I've never loved any sport disadvantage.
Yeah.
A disadvantage.
You're right.
But yeah, I've never loved any sports to that degree.
And the things that I have loved where I have found that unity with people with it was never
that big.

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It was always like, I had to go to a convention to get it.
It was never in my neighborhood.
You know, the benefit of growing up in a small town and in smaller towns, when we would do
a play whole town, when the street dance whole town parade, homecoming parade, whole town,

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like like that's the thing, like, like the whole town.
So there is, there really is something to that because those are all of my favorite
memories from that time was actually seeing the town and the community come together.
And because it was such a small town when I first got there, a little bit of a sidebar.

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OK.
When I first moved to this small town in North Dakota, it was the year after Columbine and
I was in my punk rock phase.
So when I showed up to school, everybody was terrified of me.

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I didn't know why.
I was not a political child.
I did not.
I was like, yeah, there was a school shooting and everything like that.
It's tragic.
I didn't know that I looked like the guy.
Like that was something that like really kind of tripped me up because everybody's like,
man, we were so afraid of you.
But as soon as we started talking to you, you're like really friendly.

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And then like a few of them were like, yeah, we talked to you too much.
So you got to stop.
But a parent.
But after that initial like fear and hesitation over me shook off, there was an aspect.

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No, high school is high school everywhere and it sucks everywhere.
Small town, big town, big city.
It does not matter.
High school sucks.
Yeah.
The community that I had outside of that school was wild because people's parents were
crazy nice to me and actually like felt more like friends than their own children did who
were my age.
And I'm like, this place is really weird because I really just like I want to just shout stranger

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danger.
But to who?
Like small towns have a very particular kind of charm in that way.
However, when I the very first girl that I dated when I was there, her dad told me like

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how did I enjoy the soda that I got out of the machine when I was walking someplace?
I'm like too small, never dating anybody.
I dated two women in the five years that I was in that town.
Dos.
That's it.
Outside of that, I dated women.

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I dated people from other towns.
I was not playing that game.
Once that dude said that one time, never again.
I was like, I'm not that.
That is a level of surveillance because guess what, man?
I'm not a little Mormon boy.
I want to make out.
Yeah.
I came here to get a reputation, damn it.

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But not not a record.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
There you go.
There you go.
Good way of putting that.
My one experience with that, because even though, yeah, I grew up in the big city, both
of my parents come from small towns and I was visiting, you know, my years back, back
when I was a smoker, I was leaving my grandparents' house in the very, very small town of Molalla,

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Oregon.
And after that town.
Yeah.
It's it's yeah, it's a pleasant place.
After after leaving my grandparents place, I decided to stop at at the local the local
mart local general store to pick up cigarettes.
And as I walked in the door, the guy running the counter looks up me and goes, you must

(01:35:35):
be Bob's boy.
And I was like, I'm out.
I can't buy cigarettes here.
He's going to tell my grandma and I'm done.
Now that I turned around and walked out of the room.
Too much.
No.
No, no, no.
That's pretty much how that was.
Yeah.
Like.
This is how small town it was when the day before I graduated high school, I got into

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a car accident and they like they asked like, do you know your mom's work number?
I was like, yeah, sure.
So I like gave them.
She called and they told her that I'd been in a car accident.
She asked if she could talk to me and they're like, no, I'm sorry.
He's he's in like with the doctor or something right now, which is almost word for word,

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apparently what they said when my dad got into that car crash before he died.
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
So my mom like turned white.
She was at work, just turned white, dropped the phone, looked at something like what happened
like Brad's been in an accident and left.
She got a police escort at like 90 miles an hour for 40 miles all the way to the hospital.

(01:36:52):
That's how small town that that's how small town this place was.
OK, wow.
Found out they knew they called everything.
And I left my cell phone in the car so nobody was able to get a hold of me.
Right.
I showed up to graduation.
Man, I like that was like the luckiest thing that could have happened.
All the people that had like had problems with me throughout that time, all that my

(01:37:18):
whole graduating class.
OK, when I say whole graduating class, I think it was like 28 people.
So let's be very clear.
Not a lot of people.
A lot of them still hated me.
Not that day.
I showed up, people found out like like I remember I was walking in and there was a
woman who was like very like very on the ordinary, very nasty to me.

(01:37:41):
When I walked in, people were like responding like, are you OK?
Are you doing it?
And she's like, why are they acting like that with Brad?
Like she literally talked like that.
I was like she was one of those people.
And like when they told her she was off in the corner crying.
I'm like, dude, this is a wickedly, weirdly awesome send off gift for my last day of being

(01:38:05):
around these people.
Yeah, like that, like, you know, I'm actually looking like I'm looking back on that right
now and thinking how incredible of a gift that really was.
Yeah.
And.
Yeah, I remember my mom telling me when she was her.
I think it was I want to if you it was a few years back.

(01:38:27):
So I want to say it was like her fiftieth high school reunion.
And yeah.
And she and she was like, oh, yeah, yeah, we're all getting together.
And she you know, I got to drive back out to Idaho for it, you know.
And I was like, oh, 50 years big deal.
You know, what's going to happen?
And she's like, oh, we're probably just going to get reservations at a restaurant and hang

(01:38:47):
out for a little while.
And I was like.
Reservations at a restaurant.
That's what.
And and and she's like, yeah.
And I'm like, OK, I didn't go to my high school reunion, but I know that we had to like rent
that they had because I got the invitation for it.
And then we had to rent out like a hotel ballroom for it, you know, so you're telling me your

(01:39:08):
graduating class can just get reservations at a restaurant.
And she looks at me and she goes, there's like eight of us.
Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, like my graduating class, we could just meet up at the bar in
the town.
Yeah, that would be completely sufficient.
Yeah, maybe call the kitchen and let them like bring in an extra cook for the day.

(01:39:32):
Right.
That's.
Yeah, because let's be real.
Some of them are in prison, not all of them are married.
And I am not surprised at.
We'll talk later.
All right.
Boone goes to visit Yost and Cheryl answers the door with Yuri and dude, her like Hayden

(01:40:00):
Panetti, her entire career is just summed up all with her answering the door right there.
There is so much talent in that woman.
I have not seen a child chew the scenery the way this kid did since Dakota Fanning.
OK, like, oh, my God, how did I not know how much talent she had?
Her talent was wasted on heroes.
Let me tell you.

(01:40:20):
OK, yeah, agreed.
Absolutely agreed.
I hear that that country singer show that she that she does now.
I heard that that's really good.
A lot of people watch Nashville.
Yeah, I've heard of it as well, but I have not seen it either.
Yeah, but I have heard good things.
Yeah.

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These two men are both struggling so intensely and it's crafted to be wildly understandable.
And we went into this a little bit earlier, but it is essentially.
Someone got replaced by a white coach and they're asking him to do the exact same thing
to this man.
And this man is looking at a man who has been given an opportunity and he's not willing

(01:41:06):
to squander it.
Man, it is the fact that they understand each other's positions is what makes it.
That much more beautiful.
Right, yeah.
The white community meeting up to show support for Yost.
The fact that Will Patton, whether Yost actually did this like this or not.

(01:41:28):
Patton knows they're all wrong.
Like Yost knows they're all wrong and he is trying to talk them down, but he's watching
them say they're going to protest and throw their own futures away.
Yeah.
That was the Black players meeting Boone in the gym.

(01:41:50):
And this is what we were talking about with Donald Faison playing Petey and just how happy
he is.
And when Denzel comes up and he's like, what are you smiling for?
Are you happy?
Football's fun.
You think it's fun.
Dude.
Oh my God.
Denzel comes in channeling full metal jacket right in Don Faison's face.
Holy shit that scene.

(01:42:12):
And honestly, the way that Donald Faison responded and everything like that, it was like.
It was almost, it felt like he was starstruck by Denzel.
Didn't that?
Okay.
So it did.
It wasn't just me.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It felt like he was like ready to like meet Denzel maybe or something like that.

(01:42:33):
And they just kick the camera on to have Denzel come in and deliver it without Faison knowing.
That is really what that felt like.
Otherwise incredibly well acted.
It was pretty cool.
Yeah.
And you can kind of see it on Faison's face sitting here going like career high.
This is awesome.

(01:42:54):
Exactly.
Yes.
I'm getting reamed by Denzel Washington.
He was so happy about it.
And I got to tell you, if I were in his position, same, I would also be sitting there like we
got to do another take.
I kept giggling.
I'm sorry.
Absolutely.
100% and thank God, thank God that if we are right about this, thank God that it was a

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black player that he had that off with because having a white player laughing back at him
would not have had the same energy.
No, no, that's true.
Not for the era, not for what we were doing.
That message that he was sending out there, if you survive, camp, if you survive, Denzel

(01:43:43):
just Denzel in all over the place.
Just so happy about it.
That is that is a verb now.
Yes, I agree.
Yes.
The white players showing up in the statement they made.
Before we get to the them, let's talk about Ethan Supley.
Let's talk about Ethan Supley playing.

(01:44:05):
Yes.
Yeah.
I mean, coming in 100% Teddy Bear, I instantly felt how much I miss this dude because he
has always been like in everything he's been in.
Even when he even in fucking American history X when he's playing a skinhead, he is still

(01:44:28):
the heart of every scene he's in.
Like Jesus Christ, I miss this dude.
I just think of him as Thumper in the butterfly effect.
The butterfly effect.
Oh, yeah.
Awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he like he came in on that role as three very different performances in that same character

(01:44:50):
all across the board.
But the way that he treated Kutcher in that film, like he gave.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The coaches facing off and testing the boundaries of respect.
The fact that Boone had every right to just continue reaming Patton and everything like
that for the stunt that he pulled with the white players and all this shit to make a

(01:45:14):
statement.
The fact that he lets it go immediately.
He is a smart, smart man.
Like he knows he's like, all right, we're here to work.
Let's work.
He like the amount like there's a point later in the film where he talks about his sinful
pride.
But you see right here, he doesn't.
He doesn't have any.

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Like as soon as he realizes that there's an opportunity to get on the same page, he doesn't
have to finish his statement because his statement doesn't matter.
His goal matters.
Right.
Yep.
Beautiful.
I really, really love that.
And please, Doc, give me your perspective on the players showing up for camp and Bert

(01:45:56):
here trying to be a tough guy to coach Boone.
Correct.
Yeah.
Why that that was that was an astounding scene where he comes up, tries to get in it.
And it's it's like.

(01:46:19):
I'm trying to where can I draw correlation?
It's like when some kid off the street decides he wants to tell the godfather what's up,
you know, like, like, you know, he he thinks he's all that he thinks he's in charge and

(01:46:40):
his thinking is, you know, almost entirely, you know, race based, of course, he's like,
you know, I'm going to tell you what's up.
And it takes and the crazy thing is how like when Denzel responds, when the coach basically
just sort of humiliates him in front of everybody, how gentle of a response that is, that is

(01:47:04):
the most gentle way he could possibly have dealt with that.
We just go, hey, everybody, we got a joker here who thinks he can tell me what to do.
I'm the fucking coach here.
So you can either do as I say, or you can go the fuck home and then pull and then even
goes like where and then like to the point like how hard.

(01:47:26):
And he says, where are your parents?
And they was like, that's my mom, right?
And then he points out the mom and then he's like, and he doesn't even ask, you know, where's
your dad?
The fact that he doesn't bring up his father, I feel like that tells Coach Boone the fact
he doesn't have one, which makes it sting a little bit more because when he goes through
and he's like, so that's your mama.
So who's your daddy?

(01:47:48):
Right.
Now, if you want to play on this team, you will tell me who is your daddy.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
What what an experience to be on the other side of that speech.
Yeah.
Oh, to such a degree.
I mean, this that speech was so I genuinely and I and I wish I knew for sure, but I genuinely

(01:48:12):
like watching that scene, I thought to myself, is this where that phrase, who's your daddy
comes from?
Is this why?
Definitely not.
Like, is this is this why so many people, like any time they accomplish anything, put
their hands up in the air and go, who's your daddy?
Is it this scene?
Because this scene feels way too in your face about that phrase to not have some some origin

(01:48:37):
there.
Like, because because it really it does.
It takes ownership of it, even if that even if that is just Denzel talking.
That's true.
That's true.
That is Denzel owning.
He's Denzel in that moment.
You're right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Offloading the buses and mixing the teams and setting up the roommates.

(01:49:01):
One of my this is one of the most re quoted lines of the movie I can remember is people
being like, shut up.
And like somebody else would laugh like, you can shut up too.
Like, that dude, Julius and Bert here's dynamic was just as powerful as the coaches.

(01:49:24):
Oh, yeah.
How that was cast, how well that was performed.
Every piece of it was top notch.
Absolutely top notch.
And just to throw a real quick thing, this movie absolutely used Ryan Gosling in the
perfect amount in the perfect way at this time of his career.

(01:49:48):
Right.
He could have delivered way more, but wouldn't have made sense to the story.
No, no, he was a little string bean dude.
That was he knew his place and he and he's fit himself into it perfectly.
Yes.
And every time he was in the scene, it was real hard for him not to steal the show.

(01:50:12):
That was a great thing.
Bert here and Julius's fight is 100% white privilege.
And where you were saying like this movie sets the white characters up to be the bad
characters.
That is that's real.
Like that's that is I mean, people like a lot of don't realize that how real that that

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is, but this is a great example.
Their roommates, his wall, he's putting a decoration up and the guys just flat out saying,
I'm not going to look at that all these.
I'm going to look wherever I want.
I don't want to look at that.
It's like, dude, that's not your wall.
Dude, check your privilege and check like let like, damn.

(01:50:55):
And we were just talking about Gosling when he comes out and he sees it and he's just
like, oh, and then just so casually, fight.
Exactly.
Because well, and let's be honest, too.
It was kind of like they all knew what was happening and he was just like going, all
right, we got one.
We got it.
It's finally started.

(01:51:16):
We all knew this was going to end in the fight.
Here it is.
It's right here.
I found it.
I called it first.
I loved Boone's speech about football and utilizing anger and aggression or the team.
I loved like because like, yeah, most sports movies are not actually about the sports.
It's about the aspect of a team.
That is what most sports movies are about.

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And this one does it better than any.
Like just flat out does.
My favorite part of this speech, though, is if you fumble the ball, I will break my foot
off in your John Brown hind parts and then you will run a mile.
I did find that's what I found interesting about about Denzel's character.

(01:52:02):
And I and I'm what and I want to know, was this just a thing where they're like, this
is a Disney movie, so we can't say Jesus Christ, we can't say motherfucker, you got to say
something else.
And Denzel picks John Brown as his replacement word for all these phrases.
So or was that something that guy in real life did?
That's what I want to know.

(01:52:23):
Good question.
I can answer half of that.
This film was produced by Jerry Bruckheimer and the original script was ripe with profanity
and a little bit more accurate to the era.
Okay.
Some of the some of the language, the end bombs, a few of them.
And in order for Disney to accept all of it, they had to back it off.

(01:52:48):
And I'm glad they did.
This movie didn't need it.
It right.
Yeah.
They still got it across.
What happened?
Yeah, yeah, they did.
It would have been heavier.
It would have hurt more.
But it it gave it was.
It's what is whitewashed, but I just and but I like and I know usually I don't appreciate

(01:53:14):
it.
I think I actually kind of appreciate it here.
It's it's the age old question of Huckleberry Finn, man.
It's and that's yeah.
If you know, you know, but I don't even want to I don't want to get into that one because
yeah, that that debate will probably go on, you know, past us both, you know.
So yeah, that is.

(01:53:35):
Yeah, that is definitely true.
The intense training.
And this is where we really start seeing like Yoast is showing pity for the black players,
realizing Boone is just as hard on the black players.
Like you see that, like when he's like telling PD to go run that mile, which another great
lot, great sequence.

(01:53:57):
How many feet around a mile and then how much phase in is panicking trying to come up with
that number?
Right.
The fact that how much he was panicking, confused by that, I think that was improv.
I think Denzel pulled that up out of nowhere and Faison was not prepared to answer that
question.
Because what the hell kind of question is that?
Right.
I didn't know the answer to it.
I still don't.

(01:54:20):
Maybe this is why I know the answer to that question.
Because five thousand two hundred eighty feet, that is for that line lives in my brain rent
free.
I don't know.
I've always known how long a mile is, but maybe this is why.
Hey, you know what?

(01:54:41):
If that's what it takes, you know, whatever we should have, we should have more of that
in there.
The next movie Disney makes should tell us, you know, how do you convert cups to liters?
I would accept that knowledge because I do not have that.
That is not that is not my base.
That is thank God for Google.

(01:55:02):
Louie elastic wanting to eat with the black players.
I enjoyed it.
I love you so much because like, yeah, he was met with some hey, man, you ain't welcome
here type stuff.
But like immediately after you got people showing his back and I like that, that that
sequence showed that it wasn't just the white players that were keeping them separate.

(01:55:26):
It was all of them.
It was both.
And it was interesting, too, because like he from where he comes from, he's a military
brat for him, you know, and he and he says right off, he's you know, they're like, why
aren't you sitting with your people?
And he's all, I ain't got no people because he is even more of a stranger to this town
than any of them are, you know.

(01:55:47):
So and yeah, and would top even off like when the coach barges in and he's like, tell me
something, you know, and starts asking questions.
He does the full military, sir, yes, sir, Adam.
Like this is a military brat who's probably you know, he he which means he's been integrated
more and better than anybody else in that town because he was he grew up in the military.

(01:56:12):
So until the other military brat shows up.
The exact opposite.
Right.
Be more progressive.
I have notes on him, though, but fair enough.
Because some good, some bad.
Well, yeah.

(01:56:33):
Raise threat to not block for red.
So here is one of the historical inaccuracies.
Raise character did not exist.
OK.
He was made up for the film.
Interesting.
OK.
Just to add a little bit more conflict and to let us get a little bit more heartwarming

(01:56:53):
moments from Bertie.
OK.
I guess that makes sense.
Sure.
Yost asked to do some trick plays to raise morale.
And I loved the look that Denzel gives back to him because it's like.
It's not the point.
He's like, and I love that he doesn't tell.

(01:57:13):
He never tells him, but he keeps trying to like, let him realize.
Stop taking it easy on these boys, because essentially this is basic training.
You're trying like he's trying to be the drill sergeant that everybody hates.
And we all unify because we hate that son of a bitch so much.

(01:57:33):
Yeah, that is the unifying force is to unify to overcome what is ahead of us.
Right.
Yep.
Yeah.
Very, very.
And that's the thing.
Like so Yost keeps trying to make it easy.
But he let that happen.
And now you're talking about Boone gets gets Louie to try to show an example of the bond.

(01:57:55):
I'm glad that Boone like caught on and offered to tutor him so fast.
Yeah.
Like that was really nice.
I enjoyed that.
The assignment for the roommate bonding and both sides laughing at the singing.
Man, if you're the kind of guy that wears leopard print bikini underwear.

(01:58:19):
Don't take it to football camp.
No, that's true.
Yeah.
People are going to find out.
That is yeah, that's asking for trouble there for sure.
I got a little bit of a run here.
All right.
All right.
Ready?
All right.
Let's do it.
The raise ass because as you're going through and doing that, like the interviewing each
other and all that you have a daddy.

(01:58:41):
He has a job, right?
Oh, that was so harsh.
Gosselin playing that scene had gone on any longer.
It would have been unbearable because it was so intense.
Gosselin playing music for blue and his response of cruel and unusual punishment and just like

(01:59:03):
it's got to be this one, right?
You got to enjoy this one.
Like right.
I killed it, man.
And that's interesting because we see these different dichotomies of where you've got
white guys.
Some are trying.
Some are being obstinate.
And you got the black guys.
Some are trying.
Some are being obstinate.
It's kind of working, but not really.

(01:59:23):
It's a lot of the kind of balance of how this happened, but it took work on both sides to
do it.
And I liked a lot of that.
Yes.
Bertie and the whole team as Bertie is on the phone and they're just like, like just
trying to get him off the phone when he asked me that moment, like I love you, sugar.

(01:59:44):
These responses that felt in my eyes, that was the first bonding moment of the actual
movie.
Yep.
Yep.
That is, that is the most we're, we're all one moment in the whole thing is when everybody's
making fun of the guy who's being sweet to his girlfriend.
Like, oh yeah.
Yep.
Everybody's just happy that it's not them.

(02:00:06):
Right.
Yeah.
There, there is no color anymore.
There's just us and that motherfucker.
Yes.
Boone can like keying in on the fact that the two to break are Julius and Bertier, you
know, just wise coach smoking them as a team because blue is thirsty.

(02:00:27):
I'm going to tell you right now, I compared this to basic training.
That's basic training.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
You get burned as a team.
So you like, so you learn how to help your teammate rise above to be like, when you get
burnt, like smoked or burnt as a team like that, it teaches you to watch out for that

(02:00:50):
guy because watching out for that guy is in your self interest.
Okay.
So the fact that it went that route, I thought it was really beautiful.
Ghost feeling bad and talking about like punishment and torture and then just Boone having that
smile on his face with the whistle.

(02:01:13):
Wildly charming moment.
Again, minimal words, volumes of translation between both of these guys.
Yes.
And fighting over the water is the final straw to send Boone into that run that they go into.
And Berthier admitting Julius is talented, but he is not for the team.

(02:01:39):
And then Julie is calling out the fact that there is no team and how much like Berthier
isn't standing up for the fact that like Ray isn't blocking all this stuff.
Both of these guys are in the right because both of them are in the wrong.
Yep.

(02:01:59):
Like the first truly like after all this shit that they've been flinging at each other,
this is the first truly honest moment between these two.
And yeah, and that becomes the linchpin of their astounding friendship from here on out
in the movie after they go, okay, I'm going to make, they both go, I'm going to make it
right.
And in making it right, all of a sudden we're a team now and that changes everything.

(02:02:24):
And I love Julius's walk off line that attitude reflects leadership, captain.
Very, very good job.
And that time to run to Gettysburg and ends up or Boone saying 50,000 men died fighting
the same fight we're fighting amongst ourselves today.

(02:02:47):
Oh, geez.
Would you even further?
Like I said, 30 year old movie of events that took place 30 years ago, calling on the correlation
between what they're doing and shit that happened 100 years before that, like Jesus Christ,
like can we like they've made 100 movies like this.

(02:03:07):
Can we get the message please?
Doesn't seem like that.
But apparently the message worked on Bertie here because he goes ahead and calls out Ray
and Boone and Yos exchange the look as they're going through for the left side, strong side,

(02:03:28):
like hmm.
Yeah, that.
Yeah, like the conversation that that Denzel and Patton have, like every time they look
at each other.
That's why you have powerhouses in these rooms.
Now that they're a team, we get introduced to sunshine.

(02:03:51):
Now you said you had some thoughts on sunshine because it comes in as a dynamite, like with
dynamite precision.
Right.
Yes.
My main thing was first of all, well, and it's and it's later on.
It's it is where it comes in because I really, really appreciate it.
Because they established that this kid is you know, he's a hippie, you know, and they

(02:04:20):
kind of draw on that by showing him doing Tai Chi in front of the school later on.
And all the girls are watching him do Tai Chi.
At first, I was bothered by that scene because his Tai Chi stance is shit.
I don't know who trained that.
I don't know who trained that kid, but they could find an extra five minutes.

(02:04:41):
Tuck your butt under.
For God's sakes, you look like a stiff breeze would throw you over.
But I appreciated that precursor that he is that he is into that.
I appreciate that.
That was basically the Chekhov's gun for later on when he fucking pulls a judo move in on
the field later and helps them win the game.

(02:05:03):
I thought that was fucking awesome.
I loved that.
I have always I have for many years wondered why they don't like in all the many, many
thousands of hours of training these professional athletes go through.
How come they don't teach them any fucking karate?
Because I mean, dude, they do.
They do.
I can do it.

(02:05:24):
Okay.
I guess that's what a lot of athletes in the NFL go to ballet.
Okay.
I see that that makes sense.
No, that is no.
Like, I know you're not a big sports guy, but holy shit, there is a whole world of side
training to be capable of juking when you're running at like 19 miles an hour.
Okay, that's fair.

(02:05:46):
Yeah.
All right.
No, I just I never heard anybody talking about that.
It's like whenever you see like these movies, it's always like, all right, throw the ball
100 times.
And I'm like, I'm like, you know, you could just, you know, teach him how to throw a punch
and he can, you know, and that would translate to throwing the ball, you know, but they never
they never have that training thing.

(02:06:07):
So yeah, I never watch a football game.
I don't see him do judo on the on the field.
So, you know, I figured that I was like, it might be more interesting.
There are some crazy sports highlights that you would get a little bit of a kick out of
because there are because there are certain things that just aren't allowed to be done
on the field.
But in college football, you have players that are so much faster than some of the other

(02:06:30):
ones that they will literally run and then run up their backs and run over them.
OK, all right.
That's a little flip over them.
All this stuff like they like.
Yeah, no, it's college ball can be kind of wild sometimes.
OK, all right.
Good, good, good.
All right.
I retract my statement then.
But I did think it was very I did think it was very cool that he did.
He did the body flip in the in the game.

(02:06:52):
And then they presuppose that by showing him practice Tai Chi ahead of time.
I just wish his stance had been more realistic.
That's all.
That's personal.
All right.
OK, right into the locker room with sunshine's haircut and all the mama jokes.
Hmm.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, no, that was interesting.
It's like, man, and your mama weighs twice as much as I do.

(02:07:15):
Oh, my God.
Just now that's a mama joke.
That was oh, shit.
That was such a good scene.
Then sunshine goes up to give Bertie some smooching.
And Bertie goes after him.
And when Julius comes up and the look on Julius's face, when Bertie is like, he.

(02:07:42):
He kissed me.
It's like, like, Julius, he's like, and like, what happened next?
Oh, my God, this this year's shock over his face.
He did such a good.
That was so funny.

(02:08:04):
Returning from camp and singing back to the world and the world does not sing.
They are all really weirded out by what happened to them.
They go to the first day of school and Boone finds out if they lose just one game.
Boone's out.
Boone goes back in.

(02:08:25):
Yeah.
And Jesus.
Yeah.
Holy shit.
Here's something that I really enjoyed about this fact.
Boone didn't tell any of them.
He didn't use it as inspiration.
He didn't use it as drive.
Like if you guys don't, if you guys lose single game, I'm going to be gone and you won't have
like my coaching and all this stuff.

(02:08:45):
He didn't know.
Right.
Mm hmm.
He let them he let them have it be about them.
Yeah.
What a decision.
We kept it.
I mean, his character is so intact.
Yeah.
The whole way through.
But I forgot to mention this.
This is where Kate Bosworth, Bertier introduces Emma, played by Kate Bosworth, right?

(02:09:10):
Yeah.
To introduce her to Julius.
And she just won't shake his hand and gives him this look of disgust and just gives him
gives him both a look at disgust.
You know, basically like fuck you for trying and fuck you for trying.
I'm out.
Like she told you I was fuck you for trying to fuck you for existing.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(02:09:31):
Yeah.
No, that was that was fucking harsh.
Yeah.
No, that really was.
And then you get your eight mile moment with Denzel with the nervous nervous vomit.
The importance of being together and just end in that speech with B Titans.
And I hear something like because I guess I know you're not a sports guy.

(02:09:52):
Most coaches are poets like a motherfucker.
OK.
They really do.
Like I have been on quite a few different teams.
And yeah, football, a lot of those speeches had a lot to do with religion and stuff like
that.
But I will give those coaches like their due respect.

(02:10:14):
They put some effort into that.
They brought some heart and some vulnerability into those speeches to inspire us before some
games.
Like there's a there's a little there's a little more to that than I think a lot of
people are willing to admit.
But those are different worlds because I guarantee a lot of the athletes and stuff like that,

(02:10:35):
they don't exactly celebrate art in the way that we do.
No, it's true.
Not some of them.
Some of them definitely.
Little Nicky, Mama, are all white girls that crazy?
No, some of them are more crazy.

(02:10:58):
Have you seen Buffalo 66?
The but also, I mean, she basically Hayden Pinnitera is basically acting like a football,
like a football player's mom.
Right.
Like way, way into it.
But it's just so freaking funny, man.

(02:11:22):
Gosling can't keep up and Petey gets a shot at defense.
I'm going to go on a run real quick.
Okay.
Boone is worried.
Yosef Boone is worried that Yosef is letting them score on purpose.
Walking out after the win and racial tensions are still pulling so much of them apart because

(02:11:43):
Burt here loses the girl and the pain on his face as he walks away from like her making
him make a choice and then trying to go into that restaurant where sunshine thinks that
the racism is a thing of the past.
And yeah, I got I'm giving Donald Faison a lot of credit for his performance in that

(02:12:04):
scene because I felt his pain.
I felt his anger and I felt his humiliation.
Yeah.
And also the way that it was shot with sunshine sitting there looking confused and Donald
Faison in the background just kind of like, like, he wouldn't even look up, wouldn't
make eye contact.
He was just what a shot.

(02:12:26):
Yeah.
And that again, like that even that moment that that's one of those still current today
of like the failure of the of the ally to admit that a problem still exists kind of
thing, you know, and yeah, you know, and like, you know, it's probably, you know, they mention
that sunshine comes from California.

(02:12:48):
How much better or worse the race relations are in California?
I don't know.
I they have not mentioned that in the history books, but he seems to be of the opinion that,
you know, everywhere is the same.
And yeah, where I'm from, everything's cool now, you know.
And so why wouldn't they be cool here?
And basically like another example of this sort of weird sort of internalized white privilege,

(02:13:14):
not realizing that he's basically putting his friends in danger and at the at a best
case scenario, humiliating the fuck out of them with this, you know, in.
Yeah.
Boon and Yoast discussions on how to treat the players.

(02:13:35):
And it really is summed up all in one line.
You're crippling them for life.
And he's he's telling me he's like, you're not I don't see you coddling the the white
players when I pull them aside.
It's only the black players.
You're taking pity on them.
You don't think that they're as strong as the white players.
You think less of them.
And none of these things are being said yet.

(02:13:58):
All of these things are being said, and you can see Patton actually realizing it.
Yeah.
Because that is what he's doing.
He's treating them like they're weaker than the others.
He's treating them like they can't handle it.
He's treating them like all this.
Boon is the only one who is treating everybody actually equal.
Yeah.
Like Patton's realization, how he wore that outstanding.

(02:14:25):
Absolutely outstanding.
Bertier is trying to do the right thing, but his mom won't let him.
And then Julius thinks that he ditched him anyway, and he won't even tell him.
He won't even tell me it was my mom's fault.
He won't throw his own mom under the bus like that.
Fuck, man.

(02:14:45):
Yeah, yeah.
Dude.
Visiting your when Yoast.
No, wait.
OK.
When Boon goes to visit Yoast with Nikki and the girls like Cheryl throws Nikki the ball
and she just kind of like dodges it.

(02:15:06):
I loved that scene so much.
Like the like the dynamic between the two daughters was phenomenal all the way through.
But that first introductory scene of, hey, you want to play throws the ball.
And she just to the side ducks it, ducks and then goes, I just got my nails done.
Like, oh, my God, that that that scene like I would have I would have paid $15 at the

(02:15:33):
box office just for that scene.
It was really good.
The embarrassment at the disappointment that Hayden wore when yeah, when she dodged the
ball and all this and then the confusion of like you did your nails like.
No, so good, so very good.

(02:15:57):
Boon's gift of the analysis.
That was a great scene that I really I really did appreciate the fact that Boon went to
Yoast showing him that he's putting in that much effort.
This also did a good job of showing how much of a pile of garbage the assistant coach was,
because as soon as Boon came in to give him something good, he just got up and left.

(02:16:20):
He didn't have to be there.
So if he didn't have to be with a black person, he was not with one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, he was he was definitely one of the rougher ones.
Yes, which we're talking about.
Petey telling the women that sunshine from California.
Right.
Yeah, they took it took me a minute to kind of get what was going on.

(02:16:41):
He's like, no, no, you understand.
He's from I'm like sitting here going like, wait a second.
Is this like some sort of 60s euphemism?
Is that is that like that like, oh, you know, like like the same way that it's like, you
know, she's friends with Ellen and he's from California.
Like what?
Was that really a thing in the 60s?

(02:17:02):
That doesn't make any fucking sense.
What?
Come on.
In the 60s, when this country was hyper conservative as hell, and California was the hippie state
where all the gay people went.
Oh, OK, I guess.
Yeah, it's still come on.

(02:17:23):
Yeah, it was dumb.
It was dumb.
But I did.
But I mean, it was true enough that it was understand it like the joke was understood.
I get.
OK, yeah, there is that.
But it was pretty like the way the way Faison keeps dancing on it.
Like he's like, let me let me enunciate California more till you get it, lady.

(02:17:47):
Like that was hilarious.
Damn fight from the white dudes coming in just because Petey was talking to him.
And I'm not going to lie.
He's response was perfect.
Are you talking to my girl?
I don't see any livestock around here.
That was pretty good.
That was a good line.
I loved that line.

(02:18:09):
I loved it a lot.
All right.
You do the assistant coach breaking up with Coach Yost.
That was a powerful scene.
Yeah, like literally, because the way they the way they like stared daggers at each other,
like each one of those felt like a punch.

(02:18:29):
And it was weird, too, because it's like Yost even like he's not even taken like he's not
even taken it personally.
He's literally going like, look, I understand why you're doing this.
And I'm trying to tell you in no uncertain terms, you're making a fucking mistake as
your friend.
I am telling you, do not fuck your life up like this.
Stay here and swallow your pride, man.

(02:18:51):
And the guy's just not listening.
He's like, no, can't do it.
Can't work for a black guy.
I'm out.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, the way that he says you go to hell and Patton's the way that Patton,
like just cuts and responds, I swear to God, it felt like he was.
About to lunge over that table.

(02:19:11):
Yeah, that look had it had something to it.
The brick through the window at Boone's house when Cheryl's there.
Yeah.
So here's a thing.
Historically inaccurate.
The whole thing happened exactly like that.
But it was a it was an old toilet that they threw through the window.

(02:19:37):
Jesus.
That much more horrifying.
Yeah.
Why did they said that it felt they felt like it might add comedy to the scene?
OK, you know what?
I can see that.
I can see I can see how that could accidentally happen that way.

(02:19:58):
But the way the actors responded to that, I don't think it would have gone that way.
It's a tough call.
It's a tough one.
It's a tough call, but the real thing that happened is somebody threw a used toilet through
the window of his home.
That's yeah, that's a little bit.
That's crazy.
That's just that much worse.

(02:20:22):
And the team calls that meeting about how what they did at camp didn't mean nothing,
because when they came back to the world, they're just right back into it.
They let they let the conflict force them to choose up sides again.
Yeah, exactly.
And this is what I was talking about earlier, where Yosef is talking to Boon about how his

(02:20:44):
like prideful sin or his sinful pride.
Boon's right.
There is nothing about his sins that had anything to do with that being thrown through his window.
Right.
And he even said, like, like, if you're scared, if you can feel like if you're angry or like
that, welcome to the world that my little girl lives in.

(02:21:07):
Right.
And that is the reality that really is.
And because he mentioned it a couple scenes earlier, especially these young black men,
the world is not going to coddle them.
They're not going to take care of them.
Nobody's going to do that.
You are screwing them up by taking it easy on them like this.
How much this movie highlights the fact that we live in two different worlds.

(02:21:31):
Yeah, yeah.
Very, very good job.
Game three is that new intro that everybody loves.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, yeah.
Yeah.
And it was real.
And it has been used by so many professional teams since the movie got released.

(02:21:54):
Yep.
Yep.
Like football.
And it has been used.
Why wouldn't it?
Yeah.
Why wouldn't it?
Hell, we did it when I was in high school.
We did it.
Oh, nice.
OK.
For one game we did.
We did our warm ups with the whole every.
Yeah, we did that for one game just because we felt like it.

(02:22:15):
I don't know.
Nice.
Cheryl trying so hard to talk to Nikki, but man, she just does not care.
I'm going to go on another little run.
Stop me when you stop me when you want to jump in.
OK.
All right.
Red's injured because of Ray and broke his wrist.
Sunshine's in Boone's speech about being ready, lying about his how many siblings he had.

(02:22:42):
That was great because then Doc comes in.
He's like, you had 12 brothers and sisters?
Eight.
Yeah.
12 sounds better.
Yeah.
That was great.
That was perfect.
Yeah.
It's like, yeah, I get it.
Yeah.
Which eight is enough.
But 12 does sound better.
It does sound better.

(02:23:03):
Yes.
If you're going to shout it into someone's face, 12 works.
Yeah.
It's got it.
It's got a poetry to it.
Yeah.
Then they win the game.
But man, Julius's interaction with the cop.
On his way to meeting Bertier's mom.
Yeah.
That scene.
That scene lives in my brain.

(02:23:24):
Like that whole.
It was, yeah.
Especially through the summer of protests and all this, a lot of the conversations that
like people bring up like, well, if you're not acting suspicious, then a cop will leave
you alone.
It's like, dude, do you like go back and watch Remember the Titans?
Because the way that he performed that scene was exactly perfect.
He was scared.
Even when he was being like, he was saying thank you.

(02:23:45):
He didn't want to say thankful.
He didn't want to be thankful with too much like physicality or anything like that because
he was afraid to do too much.
Yeah.
They're being scared looks suspicious.
Yeah, exactly.
Like when you are like in a class of people that is known for being brutalized by that

(02:24:06):
by a group like that, you're going to.
The fact that people pretend that they don't understand this is just wild to me.
All right.
Bert here wants Ray off the team and cuts him like I really enjoyed that.
The montage of winning was just so much fun for me.

(02:24:29):
Just don't drop the ball.
The football with the don't drop.
Don't drop me on it.
We gave to Petey smashing the car and just running through that whole sequence and then
ending on Yost getting told that he's going to be coach again.
Right because they the fixes in basically is what he finds out.

(02:24:51):
Yeah.
This was a moment that I remember when I was younger.
I don't really know how to take it because I didn't realize it was race.
I didn't realize.
OK, so that other coach where he's talking about I'm going to knock the chocolate or
like my boys are tough.
They're going to like they're good at knocking the chocolate off, folks.

(02:25:16):
Like I didn't act like I didn't know that was racist.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I thought that was the PG like the PG version of I'm going to knock the shit out of you.
Like I did not know.
I didn't realize that was a racist thing.
I felt so dumb when I was watching it this time.
I'm like, oh, I miss that because I even miss it at the end, like where he was.

(02:25:41):
He called him a monkey.
And then at the end and then like at the end of the game, boost Boone comes back with a
banana and it tosses it to him.
Right.
Yeah.
My innocent as brain thought they were talking about like like banana fingers like have like
so you don't fumble the ball or something or so.
Yeah.

(02:26:01):
Yeah.
Brain would not let I was watching a movie all about racism and my brain would let me
understand that it was about racism.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's freaking so dumb.
So wild.
But that was kind of the world that we grew up in.
I mean, like, I don't know about you.
You're you're you're not that much younger than me.
But I know for me growing up, you act like I am.

(02:26:24):
But no, but you know, for me growing up, I know I grew up in a household that kind of
like wanted to take an extra step at making sure I didn't grow up racist.
And so it wasn't just that like there there was it wasn't just that no racial epitaphs

(02:26:46):
were ever used in my household, even in reference.
And so when they appeared out in the world, I never knew how to recognize them.
There were so many racial slurs out there that I did not know were racial slurs that
I do not say I'm not going to say I'm not.
But I did get in trouble at work for using.
I was going to tell the story, Doc.

(02:27:08):
I'm not.
I'm not.
Jesus, calm down.
I know.
Oh, I'm just pointing out.
I forgot.
Yeah.
I'm just pointing out that it happened.
But that's the thing is like that.
And in moments like this, I mean, that's the thing is like these movies, they they have
the terminology, but they don't explain it.

(02:27:29):
They you know, they know there's no one sitting there like you can see in the reaction.
Nobody's upset, but nobody went like, I'm upset because he used racial slurs like racial
slurs like we don't get that that translation, that clue.
And so like it kind of makes you wonder if you're really doing a service or not by by
by not calling it out in some way, you know, but that's the thing.

(02:27:54):
No, that is that is an argument that is very much exists.
But the tough part is that if you do if you do make that part of the vernacular, if you
if you do introduce that vocabulary at the same time, I mean, that's what that's what
kids do.
We will we will drop that as soon as we as soon as you hear that, you know, that if you

(02:28:14):
drop the N bomb, it gets a reaction.
Oh, that's all of us.
Suddenly that's our most powerful weapon that we will pull out at the first at the first
sign of trouble.
You know, kids are fucking crazy that way.
You know, so the official is dirty and you stops the sabotage after seeing Cheryl's reactions.
You almost can't blame Petey for dipping because he's been sabotaged by a dirty referee the

(02:28:40):
entire game.
And then no one's told him.
Yeah.
Even though even though the coach is looking to rectify it right now, he still is not in
the know.
He's not telling him, look, this isn't your fault.
He never says that.
Yeah.
Which I feel like I would have.
But at the same time, telling a player that there's dirty refs out on the field and stuff

(02:29:01):
like that, you kind of got to imagine that could go pretty far.
Yeah.
This is like and I'm glad that that Yost got the moment.
You remember the night they were that they played the Titans.
And the thing is, they did.
You got everybody who played the Titans that season.

(02:29:21):
They remembered that forever.
I guarantee you that.
Like 100 percent Boone's look of acknowledgement to Yost is again another powerful.
I mean, how many times have I even said that?
It just keeps happening.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bertier trying to get Julius to go with him.

(02:29:42):
Emma saying she's trying Boone's neighborhood celebrating for and with him.
There is a lot of happiness that leads up to Bertier's crash.
Yeah.
This is another inaccuracy.
Bertier's crash wasn't until after the season.
Bertier played in the championship game.

(02:30:04):
Oh, interesting.
OK, that was that was for drama for the movie.
Sure.
Yeah.
But I mean, fucking made for a good movie.
It would have.
It would have.
It would have felt a little too if.
Yeah.
If they waited until after the championship to have the crash, it would have felt too
indie movie.
Oh, we're brought you up.
Now we're going to take you down.

(02:30:24):
You can't do that in the mainstream film.
You got to do the take down first so that everyone feels good about being brought back
up again.
This actually is accurate, though.
The whole team at the hospital and Julius's reaction to finding out that Bertier was paralyzed.
That was actually most of the team showed up and claimed to be his his kin.

(02:30:48):
That was a real thing.
And I loved that.
This is Bertier telling Julius to be strong and this all of these exchanges, man, I mean,
that's my brother.
And then Julius telling them your Superman, you ain't supposed to be like this.
Oh, my God.

(02:31:08):
The fact that they called Bertier Superman and then Bertier wound up paralyzed.
I mean, I don't want to make the joke, but it's there.
What year did the movie come out again?
Ninety.
Two.

(02:31:29):
Neither of us looked that up.
Damn.
Yeah.
And I'm trying to remember when exactly the accident happened.
So I'm trying to wonder, is it before or after?
Was it?
Oh, dude, Christopher Reeve, the horse.
Yeah.
That happened pretty early on.
That was like in the 80s, wasn't it?

(02:31:49):
I feel like it was.
Yeah.
Or at least the very early 90s.
OK.
Yeah.
No, that was already 2000.
That was already.
OK.
So, yeah, that was already a thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Him calling him Superman and then saying, I was afraid of you, but I was only hating
my brother.
Oh, man.

(02:32:10):
Oh, it hurt.
It hurt.
No, it hurt.
It was a it was a it was a good scene.
It was a good scene.
Kind of kind of kind of like the value of coming that full circle of mending the racial
fences and actually treating each other as equals and being in a team and being and being

(02:32:32):
allowing themselves to be brothers and how like that enriched both of their lives.
You know.
Yeah.
And then the meeting between the coaches and then Boone saying that we should get a couple
more practices in this week to keep the boys focused.
And Yost is just he is an emotional dude.
He is like he just is.

(02:32:53):
Boone, I'm a winner.
I'm going to win.
And then Yost being like, is this even about football?
And no, it fucking isn't.
This was not about football.
This was about so much.
Yeah, man.
No, yeah.
With his or with Boone with his wife in front of the fire.

(02:33:17):
I just I the movie didn't need the scene, but it was a good inclusion because she really
was a good partner and we didn't get to see enough of her in the movie.
But I'm sure his wife played a pivotal role in his strength to keep going through these
things.
Probably.
Yeah.
So for sure.

(02:33:37):
Yeah.
I loved when he when Yost went to go visit Bertie and talk about, you know, it's time
for reflection and prayer.
And he's like, I'm hurt.
I'm dead.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
That was the Bertie character that really was him.

(02:33:57):
And he never gave him up because he said he was reading up on stuff and he found out that
they have Olympics, which perfect sidebar to anybody who's been ragging on the
Special Olympics.
Go watch Remember the Titans and then go fuck yourself.
Right.
Yeah, exactly.
Yep.
Yeah.
I mean, come on.

(02:34:18):
Then we get to the championship and my God, that scene with Louie Lastic as he goes up
to Denzel is like, I'm eligible.
Well, that's great, son, but I'm married.
So good.
I'm going to go on a little bit of a run here, too.

(02:34:41):
Okay.
P.D.
Can't play in the championship.
The applause for Bertie's mom, Emma, finally shaking hands with Julius.
Everything leading up to the beginning of this game was intensely powerful moments of
bringing things together.
And I really appreciated that, man.

(02:35:02):
Yeah.
The walk by conversation between coaches.
I love that as Denzel is walking by and just given everything again as he's walking by.
That was a great shot.
I love that.
That was so good.
Bartier screaming in the room and then throwing a shoe or whatever.
I can't remember what it was.

(02:35:24):
But he's yelling at the nurse not to come in there.
Right.
Yeah.
Like, oh, God damn it at the game.
And the nurse comes in and is like, are you OK?
And he just throws it like, don't come in here.
Cheryl has to give her dad advice about pride and the shotgun technique and the shotgun technique.

(02:35:46):
Boone giving that speech about accepting loss and Julius biting back on it is like, no,
you may not be perfect.
I may not be perfect, but this team is perfect.
And saying that we want to leave the way that we came in and all this stuff.
Yeah.
Very well crafted.

(02:36:08):
The coaches helping one another out, Gosling giving his spot to Petey.
And yeah, Petey does not fumble this time.
No, yeah.
Like it was said, Petey had a great little journey and it was very much kind of in the
background, even though it was very in your face, him fumbling, fumbling, fumbling, fumbling,

(02:36:31):
winning the game because because he didn't fumble.
That was a bit like there's your sport movie.
There's your sport movie right there.
It's all Donald Faison.
Yeah.
Everything else is a movie about the civil or civil rights movement.
Right.
I thought it was interesting, too, because like they kind of played this, especially

(02:36:54):
when you have, you know, Boon Boon and Yost talks about pride back and forth.
You got his daughter coming in, telling him basically like give up your pride because
everyone can see that Petey should be in.
But he's not because he's still getting punished for walking out on that on that last game.

(02:37:16):
And they're basically trying to tell the coach, give up, you know, don't be so prideful that
you punish this kid and lose the game because he's the one who should be playing.
Yeah.
But in a way, at the same time, it's not so much pride as much as he is desperately trying
to teach this kid a lesson, because even though, you know, like we said, he was never told

(02:37:37):
this is not his fault.
He did still walk out and bailed on the team.
So there needs to be an understanding that before he can come back into play, he's got
to he's got to get back into the team.
It's not about appeasing the coach.
And that's why when even Sunshine comes up and says, I shouldn't be playing, Petey

(02:37:59):
Gosling, right.
Sorry.
When Gosling comes up and says it shouldn't be me, it should be Petey.
That's when he goes, if you want to get Petey your spot, you go tell him, because his whole
thing hasn't just been about punishing Petey.
It's about making sure Petey understood this was about the team.
So if you're going to be getting back into play, it has to be your team that welcomes
you in.
You need to get their permission to come back in, not mine.

(02:38:21):
And he basically orchestrates that happening in that moment.
You know, but the weird thing is that he without like even really translating it or telling
people that's what's up, he did almost sacrifice the game, waiting for somebody on the team
to come ask him that question.
You know, so it is kind of weird that that was the methodology he took in that way.

(02:38:43):
Yeah, that is a good point.
Cheryl and Nikki, like Nikki trying to get like show the box game.
The show's like, not now, not now, not now.
I don't care.
No, no, no, no, not that part.

(02:39:03):
Oh, no way.
That's that was before that was even before.
Yeah, that was the before.
That was the before.
But now, Nikki's like, come on, you got it.
Come on, come on.
Not just Cheryl's like, no, you don't understand.
No, this is a sport thing.
I can't see that.
Right.
That was great.
And then Yoast telling him, and this is the point of the movie.
I know football, what you did for those boys doesn't even say it wasn't football.

(02:39:27):
He just says, I know football, what you did for those boys.
You were the right man for the job.
I really enjoyed that.
Because those two's friendship went all the way on until they died.
Yeah.
Like they stayed friends forever.

(02:39:49):
Yeah.
So did Julius and Bertie all the way up until Bertie died.
Sadly, way too many members of that of that story died.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was a bit of a rough one.
But Bertie became a gold medalist in shot putting and killed in a car crash, which is

(02:40:10):
the funeral that we opened on.
Right.
And that closes, which I got to say, I got to I got to say, like when I read that, like,
like I've never I've never seen the Special Olympics.
And I certainly have never seen wheelchair shot.
But I have tried to throw things and tried to throw things while sitting down.

(02:40:32):
If you can win Olympic medal in shot in shot put on a on a on a in a wheelchair, you're
probably a better shot putter than the ones in the actual Olympics.
I got to say, because that shit's fucking impossible.
Like you ever actually tried to throw a shot put like an actual ball?
Yes.
Yes, I have.
OK, so you do know how heavy they are.
Absolutely.
100 percent.

(02:40:53):
Yes.
Yeah.
So I mean, holy crap.
I mean, he really did.
He really did go the full bore there when he was like, I'm going to be an Olympian.
Like, well, he was not fucking around.
No, because he only died 10 years after that.
Yeah.
Like it's it's a yeah.
Where would that where would he have gone if not for that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
So I do want to shout out my favorite line in the movie, please go ahead, which which

(02:41:17):
was delivered by by Hayden when they I'm trying to remember which one of the games it was
was when they took the kid out and it was when they took the kid.
They took the kid out and were and put sunshine in when sunshine goes in to play his first
game and the guy and the kid that they took out, his dad is flipping out and Hayden basically

(02:41:40):
tries to tell him and she says to him, she's like, he's get to use gasoline.
Was it got some sun?
Yeah.
So red was the quarterback and then sunshine went in for red.
He was the running back and then all these blonde guys look the same to me.
OK, so.
But yeah, but basically in that scene and the dad's flipping out about it, don't you

(02:42:05):
take my don't you take my boy out of the game and Pinnitera comes up behind him and goes,
but he's getting beat like he stole something.
I was.
I have never heard that phrase before.
It made me laugh so hard.
I love that line.
That's my favorite line of the movie.
He's getting beat like he stole something.

(02:42:26):
That was amazing.
That is a good one.
Yeah.
And the fact that she delivered it was such sincerity to again brings us back to wow,
that that I guess that's why she became the TV star.
She is because even back then she was ridiculously talented wildly.
Absolutely.

(02:42:46):
So I'm putting this on the must see list.
I got to agree.
In fact, not like I'm going to put it on the same shelf as a secondhand lions.
If you've got kids, you've got to show them this movie.
Oh, God.
This this is an important one.
It's historical.
And, you know, I mean, maybe that is the benefit.

(02:43:07):
The beneficial side of it being a Disney flick where they cleaned up some of the language.
It is a kind of a soft boiled way to make them aware of the struggles of that time.
But don't make the same mistake my parents did after the movie is over.
Sit them down and talk to them about that and make sure they understand what the racist

(02:43:29):
language was and so that they don't repeat it in school the next day.
You know, so.
Yeah.
But yeah.
Remember the Titans.
Obviously, I mean, for those for anybody who's seen it, I feel like you know that this is
a must see.
But Doc, what do you got for me for next week?

(02:43:52):
For next week, I am giving you a the Robert Redford classic Sneakers, which also stars
Sidney Poitier.
I am blanking out on all everybody else who's in it.
This is star studded cast.
Oh, Dan Aykroyd.

(02:44:14):
Crap.
That's not all.
Those are the those are the top three names.
And it's like everybody in this movie, you're going to be like, oh, shit, he's in this movie.
She's in this movie.
Like, like everybody is in this movie is amazing.
It's about a break in artist, a legal break in artist.
Basically, he's he does security testing people who have high security locations.

(02:44:39):
They hire him to try and break into their place to see how good their high security
is.
And then he gets a visit from the government.
They want him to break into someplace for him or them.
And it's a really, really good movie.
Really interesting.
It was one of my favorites for a few years.

(02:45:02):
And yeah, I think you're going to enjoy it.
I'm going to enjoy revisiting it.
It's been, I think, 20 years since the last time I saw it.
I'm looking forward to seeing it.
Yeah.
And what do you got for me?
For you, I have The 13th Warrior starring Antonio Banderas.
The 13th Warrior.

(02:45:22):
Yeah, I've had people tell me I have to see this movie.
Do you have they told you what the story is based on?
No.
See, that's the thing is like, I remember the reason why I never saw the movie is because
I remember the trailer did not impress me.
It just looked like, you know, your standard, you know, Castle versus Castle fighting movie

(02:45:45):
is what it looked like.
And I was like, whatever.
So I never was interested.
And then it was like a couple years after I had people going to me like, you've never
seen it.
Oh, you got to see it.
And I just kind of went like, OK, I'll get around to it, I suppose.
So I never told you what it was about.
I'm not going to spoil you on what it's based on.
But it is based on classic literature.

(02:46:06):
Interesting.
OK.
What the movie is, is an Arabian knight joins a crew of Vikings because a prophecy says
that they need to take 13 warriors on this next mission.
And the 13th warrior has to be an outsider.
So he's forced into this mission and he winds up on a Viking ship.

(02:46:26):
Interesting.
Interesting.
OK.
And yeah, I'm I want I want you to write down what time like the time stamp of the movie
when you figured out what literature it's based on.

(02:46:47):
OK.
All right.
If you can remember to do that, I will I will make an attempt.
All right.
Because I'm because it's going to tell you immediately if you're paying attention to
the names.
If you're not paying attention to the names.
I know I don't think you ever will figure out what literature this is based off of unless

(02:47:12):
you pay attention to the names.
So that's that is the only hint I'm going to give you on that one.
Excuse me.
Bless you.
OK.
I mean, I try to pay attention to names.
I don't always, especially when it's I mean, I mean, especially when we're talking about
something that it's got some if it's got a big name star like Ben Darius in it, I may

(02:47:36):
only see it as Antonio Banderas.
I may never hear his name, but I mean, I will try.
OK.
It's actually really funny.
I will give you one spoiler.
In Arabic, you are your name, son of your father's name, son of his father's name.

(02:47:58):
And you can go on.
Right.
Sure.
Yeah.
In Arabic, son of is Ibn.
So because he said Ibn so many times as he's saying son of son of son of they just call
it Ibn.
That's pretty good.
That's pretty good.
I thought that was pretty funny.
That's your name now.

(02:48:19):
I'm calling you Ibn because yeah, OK, that's pretty good.
Because when it starts off, he's speaking Arabic and they're speaking Nordic.
OK.
They don't like, oh, dude, I'm going to I'm probably going to do.
Yeah, I'm watching it tonight.
OK, I'm not going.
I'm not going.
No, shit.
I don't know what I'm doing after the show.
It's a mystery.
OK.

(02:48:39):
All right.
So that's going to bring a close to this week's episode.
Next week, we will have the 13th warrior and sneakers.
Once again, if you are listening, you can watch us on YouTube at the hacksaw workshop.
And if you are watching, you can find us on Spotify, Apple, YouTube music.

(02:49:00):
Are I mean, we're we are where you can listen to podcasts.
I am an author.
I have a series out called The Outside World Book 4 was released just a few months ago.
And I oh, last I checked, Book One is currently ranking in the the high three thousands on

(02:49:24):
contemporary literature on the Amazon rankings.
Yes.
Yeah, I honestly I'm not 100 percent sure how that ranking works out, but I feel like
considering how many hundreds of thousands of books there are on Amazon, being in the
high three thousand sounds pretty darn good to me.
So I think I think if you if you pick it up, you'll enjoy it.

(02:49:48):
It's available in hardcover.
We will like that's that's the thing.
Like, Doc, you are absolutely horrendous at marketing your materials.
But the product that you have put out there is definitely worth checking out hands down,
flat out.
And we have the audiobook for that currently in production.
So even if you're not a reader and you're a listener, we will have something for you

(02:50:12):
guys coming soon.
English listed.
The audiobook will be coming soon.
But it is currently available in print and on Kindle.
And if you are a Kindle unlimited subscriber, the first three books are available for free
for Kindle unlimited unlimited subscribers.
Yep.
So yeah, check it out.
If you think I sound at all smart to you and creative, then you might enjoy the books.

(02:50:36):
Yeah.
All right.
And with that, we will see you next week.

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