H.Y.S.T? | S1E22 | Fear of a Black Hat & Soldier - H.Y.S.T?

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Welcome to Heist. I'm Bradly Hackworth joined by Jonathan Ems, otherwise known as Doc.

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And this week we are going to be covering Fear of a Black Hat and Soldier starring Kurt Russell.
Doc, what did you think going in?
Well, I knew what to expect with Fear of a Black Hat because that was my movie. I had seen it back.
I brought this up before my summer of movies. It was summer of 96 when I basically locked myself in a basement and watched like four movies a day for every day.

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That was one of the movies that I came across along with. I think I think a past entry in this was
The Last Supper. That was another little weird indie flick that I've brought on to the show that came from that time.
Yep. But yeah, so I knew what I was getting into on this one. I had forgotten most of it.

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I had all and the weird thing is, is that scene of the second time there were parts of it that I did remember that they, you know, from the movie, they weren't.
I hadn't like completely forgotten them. But seeing him again, I remembered what they were making fun of.
This movie wasn't this movie was steeped in satirizing, not just like hip hop culture, but very current hip hop news at the time.

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They were making fun of very, very specific people and very specific things that they had done throughout the course of their career that I had forgotten about.
And so like when the joke came up again, I was like, oh, right. I remember this, but I had forgotten that that that was soon as I saw the like high school champion trophy hanging off of the
dude. I'm like, oh, that is, you know, who that is.

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Right. Exactly.
So, yeah, it was fun to revisit it.
I that is fair. Fun is the right way to describe that. This was ridiculously hilarious. I was having a great time the entire movie.
The whole time I was like, I know.

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This feels really familiar. Then I went to go look it up and the director, Rusty Kundy.
He did another movie that I was like another movie, not like this, but similar comedy, obviously directed and written very similar.
Right. Hold sprung. Do you remember that one? I vaguely recall sprung. Yes, I don't think I saw it, but I do remember when it was out that I see in the ads for written directed.

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Yeah. And I did not know that that was the same guy. I knew he did the the tape. I knew he did the the Tales from the Hood movies.
Those were a trip. Let me tell you.
But yeah, now this guy is this guy's had a heck of a career and this was kind of his.
I don't know if this was his first first movie, but it was definitely really, really early on.

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I kind of break right out of the gate, but he was the gay nerd in Revenge of the Nerds.
No, yeah, that's why he did. You're kidding. Yeah, no, that's why he did all of these roles to separate himself from like how effeminate he was.

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He looked completely different in those movies. I did not recognize him at all. That was a trip for me. Did he get taller somehow?
No, but he was a tiny he was tiny in the Revenge of the Nerds movies and he's gigantic in this movie.

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Yeah, I don't know. But I thought that was a that was a massive.
But that's why he went on a string like he went on a run of doing like hyper misogynistic roles and stuff like that because he was really trying to separate himself from the character from Revenge of the Nerds.
So, oh, I see. OK, damn. Yeah, he I mean, I cannot tell you which one I prefer because he was awesome in Revenge of the Nerds.

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But I was so wildly entertained by this and everything that I've seen that he's done since, especially what he's directed. Yeah, that was great.
Kind of crazy that we are covering two Cassie Lemons movies like in the same month when she does not have a huge filmography.
Oh, no, that's true. Yeah, the one who played Neon. But hey, you know, yeah, the lady who played Blackburn, she was Bernadette and Candyman.

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Oh, that's right. I didn't even recognize her. Yeah.
OK, well, I mean, we are talking about the 90s here. There were like a grand total of like six black actors.
So it's not really. Yeah, I yeah, I know.
Moving on. I don't want I mean, that's just.

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Oh, man. Fear of a Black Hat 1993 written and directed by Rusty Cundieff starring Larry B. Scott, Mark Christopher Lawrence, Rusty Cundieff and Cassie Lemons with Howie Gold, Deezer D, Moon Jones, Barry Shabaka Henley, Rose Jackson and Bison Love, which we did it again.

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I was in love and let's yeah. Yeah, we did. Was he in something before? He was in Meteor Man. Oh, that's right. That's right.
We literally just talked about him. Right. I forgot about that. I was going to say, let's not forget the real Kurt Loder was in it.
They that's that is an old, old reference. You got to be you got to be you have to be old enough to remember when MTV did music to know who Kurt Loder is. And they didn't get well, they're making they're making fun of every single music celebrity at the time.

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They didn't just make fun of Kurt Loder. They brought the real Kurt Loder in to make fun of himself. And it was kind of kind of crazy that they could pull that off. It was great. I did.
All right, getting into it. The opening was absolutely incredible. Just going through the description. Ass, booty, yo bitch, Bush is a dickhead. Big butt women in tiny bikinis are all used for specific and accurate like accurately just just like historically accurate detail.

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Yeah, but the fact that they did it three times over, it just kept making it funnier and funnier and they absolutely nailed it. And I'm trying to think of another time I've seen it go down like that. I'm not think I can't I'm not coming up with anything.
I the what I'm trying to remember. It was a Monty Python, one of Monty Python's movies.

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They did they did a similar thing in a Monty Python movie where they were the same thing they but they didn't they listed off like a string of expletives basically saying like we you know the producers apologize for the use of these of these phrases.
And we apologize ahead of time for the possible use of these phrases as well later on in the future and they basically did the same thing. So it was it was straight out of a Monty Python bit. I just failing to remember which one.

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So this this movie follows a year in the life of a rap group and wh not going to say what that stands for.
It's individuals if you if you know if you right if you are familiar with with 90s hip hop and you know who nwa is well instead of attitude they have hats, basically same thing.

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And the explanation over the hats is actually historically accurate and weirdly they actually had a good reason behind it and I was not expecting that and I learned something.
I looked into it and that's another like.
Yeah.

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So just to get into that I'm not going to wait till we get to that scene I'll just get into that the nwa with with hats. What they go is like why the hats and they were talking about like back in the day with like slaves and the slave owners would not let them wear
hats because that would expose them to the sun and a nonstop capacity. So by the time they were done with the work and got back to the farmstead or their slave quarters whatever they were too exhausted to rebel.

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And there was the point you said like, well, now we got hats. And I'm like, that is the dumbest greatest explanation that they could possibly put there and it was awesome.
Like, damn, it seemed it seemed like and it comes off like some sort of weird improv like, like they didn't even like not only were they was it like the character, making it up on top of this head, it almost felt like the actor was making it up off the top of his head

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too. But then you go and you check and it's like, oh no, no, what he said was 100% accurate. Yeah, that was a that was a little bit of a trip. I wasn't really ready for that and loved every second of it. Yeah.
Like as Nina Blackburn is going through Cassie Lemons, as she's going through giving the interview, they were talking about like, well, and the controversial never released kill whitey album, the double entendre that was rolling through that, like, like,

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that was my kill. That was one of my favorite parts. That was my yeah. The you know, yeah. And the line is like, yeah, the lines is he'll steal your money. He'll you know, he'll rip you off. He'll he'll make you work for free kill whitey.
And and they just go like, yeah, no, that's not about killing white people. That's referring to our old manager, whitey DeLuca. Like, oh my god, like,

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I know. No, I love that. I was like, and then that line, don't fire till you see the whites. You mean of their eyes whose eyes. Right.
That's it. Like I tell you, one of the hardest parts, one of the hardest parts about this movie is how like I remember back when I first saw it and I watched it with a friend of mine and the two of us were constantly, constantly like this movie.

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This movie is so quotable. There's so many lines from this movie that you can't get out of your head that you just want to drop in conversation as often as possible. But you can't because they're all so fucking racist.
And so it basically be like me, me and my friend. His name is Burton me and my friend Burton just at any given time. We just kind of look at each other and just kind of quietly whisper just like, you know, you know, you know, whitey DeLuca, you know, shoot.

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That's and yeah, no, absolutely. I can like this movie is wildly quotable. However, you can't.
Yeah, the the all of the best lines in this movie are peppered with the N word. So you just got to you just got to hold it. It's got to sit back and you just got to laugh and realize that there are people who can quote this movie. It ain't us.

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That's right. Yes, it is what it is. It's something for us to laugh at. It ain't for us to requote plain and simple.
The interview with her. It's just inner by inner like the interview is just advertising that they are posers to the absolute max.
Then you kind of find out through the course of the movie. No, they're not.
Like when they were like, so like a lot of rappers talk about where they're from, like, yeah, but we don't front. We just perform and like we don't talk about it. It's like, oh, so are you guys from like North Dakota or like Montana or something?

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Right. So like, like, that's what that's what I was expecting. The story was going to be completely was not even at all a thing.
No. Yeah. And they're even saying like, yeah, well, it's like, you know, the people, you know, the people who we don't even want to say where we're from, because that just goes to show how bad it was.
Like, it's so, you know, and she even says, oh, I see. So it's the quiet ones. You got to watch out for. And then that one goes, yeah. And if you'll notice, I ain't said shit for a couple of minutes now.

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Literally every single thing they say makes them seem like they're just wild posers, but they actually go through. They actually are what they say they are. They do what they say they're going to do. Like I.
It was fun as hell, and I was never able to body count of this movie is astounding. Yeah.
Consider. And I think we, you know, we kind of didn't put one of the things we need to kind of explain. We need. I think we kind of skipped over. You did say that this is a movie about a year and a half ago.

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This is a movie about a year in the life of this rap group. We should. This is.
Right. It's a mockumentary. It is if you if you know, Spinal Tap, which I imagine most people do.
It is. Yeah, it's a mockumentary Spinal Tap style. They've just replaced the hair band with a 90s hip hop band. And that's what this is. And we.

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The burn is our there is a cut scene of this movie where they find the bones of Spinal Tap backstage. No.
That is awesome. Why did they cut that out? I'm not sure. I didn't see why they had to cut that out, but I'm guessing it was just too much.

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Like that's that's that's my guess. That whole my like talking about my peanuts video and all that. And like honestly, every single music video that they had through this was funny.
It was hilarious. It was entertaining. Weirdly, the music, all the songs were total bangers. Well, and I was like, I wasn't expecting that.
Trying to get into a venue that they're playing and they just get fully clowned. And this is where it's like, maybe they're not the posers that they were that I was thinking that they were because they like pull the gun out.

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And we get the first of a repeating gag for the movie. They're getting violent and they shut the doors so the camera can't see what they're about to do.
I loved it. I expected vanilla sherbert one more time, though.
Didn't you? No, I forgot about him immediately after he left scene both times. Oh, after you after he came back the second time, I was expecting him to be show up a third time like like in a gurney or something or in a wheelchair, just a little bit more messed up than he was the last time.

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I was interviewing John craw, the head of security and he's like, you know, we used to host jazz and all these greats. But now we've moved to hip hop. So you know, we've had to and rap is we've had to up security and all the stuff.
And I'm like, God damn, you know, like, we got the Muslim Brotherhood here like they'll they're very gentle. They're very straightforward. And then they show them like way going in on one dude. They're like, and if you fuck with them, they will drop you.

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This movie like this is so pre PC, they did not give a flying fuck about anything. That was a little refreshing because the joke is just they none of them were like over the top and sensitive or anything like that.
And they all landed. It was kind of it was kind of a trip and it was nice to see. Well, it's because it's because it was all kind of like inside baseball, you know, you had, you know, people like like Rusty, who's a part of that whole community.

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He's a he's an entertainer. He's a black entertainer. I'm you know, and so for him to make a movie making fun of the black entertainment industry, I mean, he's got the right if this movie was being made by a bunch of white people, that would be a whole different thing.
But he's yeah, no, he's he's he's just yeah, he's poking fun into his own. That's cool. It's like it's where the question goes. Like when people say like, could we get away? Could someone get away with making Blazing Saddles today?

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Yes, if it's directed by Spike Lee, 100%. Yeah, Mel Brooks couldn't do it. Yeah, no. No, no, but Spike Lee 100%. And I would want I would watch what I would pay. I would pay top dollar. I would I would not wait for a matinee. I would go on opening night to see a Spike Lee remake of Blazing Saddles.

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I think that would be amazing. Leave it alone. No. The remake Blazing Saddles of all the shit that people remake and everything like that. Leave Blazing Leave Mel Brooks work the fuck alone. You know, one is disagree to do it even half as good as he did.

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I really don't think anybody like you. Do you really think that like somebody would be able to actually improve upon Mel Brooks's work?
On Blazing Saddles, there's a few things here and there. Sure, I mean, be tough without with with no Gene Wilder. Don't get me wrong, it would be difficult.
But I think it's possible for sure. And I mean, they already remade the producers and it was awesome. It was a thousand times better than the original. So the producers was originally Mel Brooks.

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Yeah.
You didn't know that the original producers. No, I didn't.
Yeah, no, I had I literally no idea. Okay, that's
I just
the fact that that comedy was that outlandish and stood out at that time and it did what it did. It's kind of like it's kind of like how I feel about anybody other than a black woman.

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Rerecording and releasing Feeling Good by Nina Simone. The song was released during the height of the civil rights movement and it's about feeling free and feeling good and like the change of the tide and everything like that.
It was written by a black woman during the civil rights movement about the change of the tide and feeling good and freedom.

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I don't think anybody other than a black person should be singing that song and profiting from it.
Like it's kind of one of those things.
Like I can see that like I don't I don't 100% agree. Like what Mel Brooks did in the time what he was capable of doing all that.
If it's remade and people lose sight of what he did at the time, because people don't even realize that feeling good was like that song was about that.

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Now it's just a rich white guy singing about feeling good.
Like the intent and meaning behind the song is completely disappeared because the wrong person the wrong person remade it.
So and I can see how that would happen.
But that's the thing.
I have actually I have recently rewatched Blazing Saddles because during one of the you know, there's an ebb and flow every like three or four years.

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And then comes the center of attention on the Internet again as everybody starts arguing about it all over again.
And my my kids were had never seen it before.
And so they were wondering what all the hubbub was about.
So I showed it to them. We all watched together. They laughed.
It was great. It's still a classic.
But there are some parts of it that don't hold up for reasons different than what people say.

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The entire ending sequence kind of makes no sense.
And that like not the dance, like the whole like them, like kind of what's it going through the the movie studio and just kind of disrupting all the other movie sets.
Like it's kind of funny.

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I'd like to see like an updated version of that because it's all it's all very kind of like it's all very 30s Hollywood that doesn't you know, I think I think that could be improved upon, you know.
That's my own personal opinion.
And that's I mean, I don't think we're losing anything by not having a remake.
But I'm saying I wouldn't mind if it was done by the right person.

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And I think Spike Lee would be one of those people because after seeing Black Klansman, Spike Lee can fucking do funny shit.
People just don't give him enough credit for.
No, I'll definitely agree with that. I just but that's the thing.
Like that's the thing that a lot of people just don't want remakes because it's like if you want to watch it, go watch it.
Like the like that is really of it is the fact that it was created when it was created by who it was created with the technology we had at that time.

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Like with the social situations and everything like that.
And the people haven't had 60 years to look at something and go, hmm, how could I have done that better?
No, this is somebody's first work and they nailed it.
Like they did it the first time they brought it to us and they actually rocked it.
That is why I think it's very that is all very fair.

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Go back and watch the original.
But to your point, the right person remaking it.
Sure. But like that, I would give it a chance.
I mean, yeah, if they remade Blazing Saddles, I would absolutely go and watch it.
I just don't know.

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I don't think. Yeah, I don't think the world is aching for it or anything like that for sure.
But if it never happens, I'm sure I'm going to be fine.
Yeah, yeah.
This is where we got that first sighted vanilla sherbert.
And yeah, as soon as he said my N words, I was like, oh, I was like, OK, so they didn't even skip a beat on it, too.

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Yeah, they were just like very comfortable.
Like, oh, excuse me, we need we need to whoop some ass.
It's like, OK, yeah, I was like, are they actually going to let this little dude?
And I'm like, OK, no, they're not. Yeah, no.
And there was no discussion. There was no what did you say?
It was very simply like, OK, Cameron needs to leave the room now.
This is happening. We're not even discussing. I swear to God, dude, I thought that was the guy from The Last Supper.

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The artist.
He did kind of look like him. He did look a lot like him. Yeah.
The younger version of him.
Yeah, put a goatee on that, dude. I could see it totally. Yeah.
Yeah. And like another foot. Yeah.
So the cops won't let them sing their lyrics.

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And that actually parallels something that did happen in real life.
I think it was Naughty by Nature that got arrested.
It sounds familiar. Yeah.
Was that was that who was I? Because it's a back.
I feel like it's probably happened multiple times. Yeah. Right.
I feel like it was something that happened multiple times to multiple artists.

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But there was like maybe two of them that actually made national news after they happened.
And I feel like I want to say Naughty by Nature might have been one.
Probably probably NWA NWA was getting a lot of of headlines when they when they were together before before Ice Cube went solo.
You know, yeah, I mean, basically everything that preempted express yourself,

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the entire song Express Yourself is about how they're not acceptable in the public eye.
Mm hmm. Yeah. Which is weird considering like how joyful Express Yourself has been put out for commercials across like media and everything like that.
But the actual song is about how their lyrics are not acceptable for public radio and things like that.

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So you can't rap for the pop charts. They just have to rap and be real because they're never like no.
Like Express Yourself is a phenomenal song that I feel has like a lot of people have kind of missed the point on that one.
Well, and it depends. I would like to know the backstory on on how that on how that's going nowadays, because I remember

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hearing an interview once with Oh, shit, what's his name?
Mix mix, no, the I like big butts, guys.
Sir makes a lot. Sir makes a lot. Thank you. Jesus.
How did I forget that? I'm getting old. I heard an interview with him and and I remember

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I was even thinking about how weird it was that like I remember seeing a like back to school ad for JCPenney
where they were using that song with changed lyrics and I'm like, who who's doing this?
Who you know, it was like I like backpacks and I can't outlie was basically the way they did it.
I'm like, what is what is going on? I thought I was having a fucking aneurysm.

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Yeah. Well, then like maybe another two years go by and I'm hearing an interview on the radio with with Sir Mix a lot.
And they're asking him like, you know, how does he feel about this song of his that he did so many years ago?
Just still having is this much life and being used in all these places.
And he goes, hey, it's what pays the rent. And he and he's like, he's like, here's the thing.

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You got to understand that every time you hear it on the radio, every time you see in a commercial,
every time you hear it in a movie, I get paid.
And 90 percent of the time, if they change the lyrics, I'm the one who wrote the new lyrics.
And I'm like, oh, OK, well, shit. Then then that's then I think we're good.
You know, so I would be curious to know if that's the same.
I would not have admitted I like backpacks and I cannot lie. I would not I would have said, no, I pass it off.

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And, you know, some dude with a.
I don't know if I would claim that one.
But, you know, but that but that begs the question is like, OK, yeah, it is a little weird here and express yourself in these commercials now.
But I would like to know if that's the situation, if if if that was, you know, if the artists were involved in all that,
then, hey, the artist is the one who calls it.

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And that's the and that's that's the end of the story. Fair enough.
OK, so here's what I wasn't expecting when they actually started performing and all of this.
The crowd was wildly into it.
They'd never had a moment where their music wasn't well received or anything like that.
The entire movie. Oh, no. Yeah. Everybody like every performance I had, every crowd, everybody loved their music.

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But they still kept getting treated like they were punks and all that.
And I didn't really kind of I didn't really connect to that in any way.
It's like, how are you know that?
If I am running a venue and people come on stage and everybody in the house is jumping for them,
they're not the last billed person on my in my.
Well, but they I think I think they were kind of pointing out that it was like it was a billboard ranking type thing.

(27:04):
Like, yeah, everybody was going to get that week. Yeah. Right.
And so and so everybody was going to get that reception.
That was the that was the entire show.
It was a question of, you know, whoever gets to go on last is the person who who's going to be the biggest cheers that, you know, as they as they come on.
And so I think that was kind of the idea there.

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But they but that's the thing is like we do kind of see them. They're already established.
They they are, you know, they are well known enough that they because you have your you have your like your spotlight performance.
And then you do have performers that go on after for the people to walk out to listening to music to still.
So the last the last one in small venues oftentimes is not the main draw.

(27:52):
It's the one right before maybe I spoke.
Well, so this is what this this was a callback to what reminded me of this scene when they're talking about all that.
Uh huh. It reminded me of a scene from Great Balls of Fire.
And I am not 100 percent sure that they were directly referencing Great Balls of Fire, but that's I believe what it was.

(28:13):
That was that was that it was a biopic of.
Oh, Buddy Holly, the guy who did did the song Great Balls of Fire.
Who was that? Jerry Lee Lewis.
Jerry Lee Lewis. Thank you. Yes. It was a biopic of Jerry Lee Lewis.

(28:36):
And it starred it starred a quaid, Dennis Quaid played played Jerry Lee Lewis.
I have seen this. Yeah.
And so there there's a scene in it where he's he goes to a show believing that he's the headliner and that he's going to be the last one playing.
But when he shows up at the venue, I want to say like Elvis Costello or Buddy Holly or somebody, they don't really say who it is.

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He's just kind of standing there with a guitar looking meek while the managers of the venue are telling Jerry Lee he's now second to last.
And and Jerry Lee's fucking pissed off. He's like, I was told I was going to be the headline that I was playing last.
And they're like, well, he's the guy who got the hit this week.
So he's going last. And what that leads into in in this movie, it's basically to to show up the whole thing.

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That's the that was the first concert in which Jerry Lee ends the song with lighting his piano on fire and then walks off stage and turns to the guy who's supposed to follow him and goes, follow that motherfucker and leave.
OK. Here's so I feel I feel like this was a reference to that missing apart beyond that.
When you go to the yes, you hit the big venues, everything like that.

(29:54):
But like if you go to like, I don't know, you've been to a few concerts, I'm assuming, right?
A handful here and there. Most of them first, most of them for one day, I don't go.
I don't go to a lot of shows where there's multiple bands playing.
I'm basically usually going to a show in like a coffee shop because I'm trying to support like a friend's band.
That's basically the only live shows I go to.

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There are a lot of there are a lot of concerts that after the headliner, there's a band that comes on or a stand with comedian that comes on or somebody that comes on just to like entertain the crowd as they're as they're leaving Pearl Jam.
I'm pretty well jam.
What a humiliating job. Yeah.
No, 100% like jam. I'm pretty sure used to do stand with comedians after the show.

(30:37):
Wow. Okay.
Like that's so that's that's pretty much what I'm saying.
Like these guys were set up to be the all right.
People are leaving. People are gone. They hit the show.
Everything like that. We're just the background music worthy.
What became in the odds closing time when the bar was closing every fucking bar in the goddamn country was doing the exact same fucking closing song.

(31:02):
Like, basically, it was like, hey, it got the message across.
It did.
And it made me hate that song.
Like I used to love that.
Now I swear to God, I have like bar PTSD when I hear that song.
Just remember all the times of balancers being behind me.
Go home. It's like, dude, there's a line in front of me.

(31:24):
And just closing time singing over the PA system.
No. Yeah.
This is why I always leave the bar early.
I'm going anymore, man.
Oh, okay. We're talking about this one.
Then when they're like me know that manager like these lyrics are you kidding me.
Can't you just be like hammer and just ripping the glasses off like hammer.

(31:50):
Right. Yeah.
His expressions, his reactions group.
Some of the best things about that.
I mean, I think I've seen three of them.
Mark Christopher Lawrence.
Every time he opened his mouth, it completely floored me.
He played tone deaf.
Tone deaf, tone deaf, such a great character tone deaf.
Yeah, absolutely.

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He's the I'm on a human group DJ.
I'm on human.
Dude.
Or I'm just a human.
Like whatever. Oh my God, dude.
Every single time he said a word while he was doing that music video,
I was like, oh my God, that's awesome.
It was killing me, especially how much I loved him in Chuck and the character that he plays in Chuck.

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Because I told you that there's a reference to that to this movie.
There's a reference.
He pulls up an image and there was like, you remember Earth, Wind and Fire?
Well, for a time we were Earth, Wind, Fire and rain.
And he basically is being this character when he is talking about.
It is incredible.
It is so much.
So it's like it's almost a throwback to this, but it was like they just couldn't quite get the rights to mess with it.

(33:00):
So they had to go full with Earth, Wind and Fire.
OK, no, I thought I loved it.
Going into the dance class and you have that one dude who is sitting there just whipping all the dancers and all this and he gets behind tasty taste.
He's like bending him over, whipping him and tasty grabs.

(33:21):
He's like, I'm with you with this.
He's like, you will?
Oh, daddy, start to work, daddy.
Oh, my God, dude, that character.
Yeah.
I was absolutely no political correctness whatsoever in this movie.
No, like one, because a.

(33:43):
In the 90s, the black community, everything like that, like homophobia was a pretty large thing.
Still is from what I understand.
I'm not part of the black community.
Can't really say that's just what I understand what I've understood from it, especially like like DMX used to like straight up have a major heavy hitting songs that would talk about like gay bashing and everything like that.

(34:07):
And when I go back and listen to those songs like, man, I used to jam the shit to this.
How did I?
How did I miss this?
And if it's got a good beat to it, it gets past you really, really easily.
That is OK. That is fair. That is true.
This movie, I have made that mistake before.
And very recently, in fact, there was a song that sounded like, you know, the first couple of times you hear it when you're not really listening to lyrics sounds like a really fun anthem to youth and and

(34:41):
sometimes I'm enjoying nightlife and stuff like, no, I'm talking about recently, very recently.
But yeah, so I kind of yeah.
But yeah, so I kind of, you know, after only hearing a couple of times, I at the time I sent it to my girlfriend.
I'm just like, hey, this made me think of you, you know, and then she listened to the because it was a song for me.
She listened to the lyrics a bit more intently on the first time around than I did.

(35:04):
And so she kind of takes me back.
She's like, this is a song about hardcore domestic abuse.
What are you doing?
And I was like, wait, it's what?
So, yeah, we all fall for it once in a while.
Fun.
We are young. I have no idea.
OK, yeah, we are young by fun.

(35:25):
Yeah.
Fair enough. Semi Charmed Life is the one that got me in that way.
You know, the one about.
Yes, I do. Yep.
Yeah, I know. And that's also that also an earworm.
Yeah. No, I mean, everybody knows that song.
Like, I mean, especially, I mean, I'm pretty sure I do.

(35:46):
Do do do do do do do do do.
That whole song is about cocaine.
Yep.
And I remember doing that song, like being up at karaoke, having fun, just going to do a bop
and then reading the lyrics.
And I just remember like stopping like three, like a quarter of the way into the song going, what the fuck?
Like, it was in since I was stick inside it to my nose.

(36:12):
And I remember how I could get back there where I fell asleep inside you.
And I was like, well, yep.
I've known these lyrics since I was like eight years old and I never realized what I was saying.
Yeah. Yeah.
This song was played on the radio on on kids bop channels.

(36:33):
Yeah, that one.
That one. Yeah, that one still kind of blows me away whenever I think about that.
Talking about the moral good times, man, and the album cover.
Yeah, yeah.
Talking about the moral watchdogs and the album cover.
Another cut to what bass because they're like just trying to get them to be different.

(36:58):
They want a bunch of cops with their asses up in the air and all this stuff.
I mean, they are really they are going full bore in this.
And I was like rooting for him the whole way.
But I was kind of realizing I'm rooting for some pretty fucked up shit.
Right. Yeah.
Well, and this is and this is this is another throwback to its original inspiration.

(37:24):
Spinal tap because they have the same thing on spinal tap where they're being lambasted for their for their album covers.
You know, and there's like, you know, you want to you want to do an album cover where it's just a woman on all fours, you know,
with a glove being shoved in her face and it's called smell the glove, you know, and it's that same kind of level of offense.

(37:45):
But ratcheted up like times five.
And instead of hardcore like sexualization, it's hardcore violence against cops.
But yeah. And they're just kind of sitting there going like, yeah, no, no, we just wanted to have a big pile of cops with their butts up in the air with us whipping them.
We don't see what the problem is. Yeah.
No, I mean, realistically, it's art.

(38:10):
Do your thing. It's for interpretation.
However, the record label is not wrong.
People are going to respond how they're going to respond.
So I see both sides of it. I do. I did.
What a movie. Back to it with a little bit of a technical switch.
If you're watching us on YouTube, you will notice if you're just with us on the podcast through wherever you're joining us from.

(38:37):
Not really any difference. Right.
All right. So Gorillaz in the midst music video with the Nazis and the KKK.
Honestly, I really did enjoy that was some that was some hardcore shit like I was getting throwbacks to Childish Gambino's This is America, which came like 25 years later.

(39:00):
Like, that's how fucking hardcore this this music video was like, holy shit.
Weirdly in a movie like like the situation that it came about, it didn't really seem natural for it to come about in that way.
But my God, it was the political commentary through every single music video, almost every single music video in this movie was right.

(39:22):
Pretty spot on. And I was impressed by that.
It was interesting because it was almost like Kondy was kind of hedging his bets where he's like, OK, either I'm going to be a filmmaker or I'm going to be a rapper.
And this this movie is going to be my shot at both. You know, if he was aiming to be the filmmaker for rappers.

(39:43):
Oh, you know that you got a point there. Yeah.
Because I mean, dude, the goofiness of sprung is oh my God. He would have just cast Jamie Foxx in that role instead of himself.
I bet that would have been an absolute dynamite of a hit.
You're probably not wrong. Yeah.
Like it was it was like I remember it.

(40:06):
Dude, it's been like 20 some years since I've seen sprung. I like that may have been just teenage me really enjoying the shit out of that kind of humor.
Might have to revisit that sometime in the future and see if it holds up.
OK, yeah.
But Jeffrey Lennox, their new manager, he is completely jazzed.
He sees them for what they are. He's recognizing them for what they're bringing to the table.

(40:30):
And he wants to steer into the skid. And I got to say, watching Shabaka Henley go through and describe the color of these three black men and the way I've never heard that before.
And I'm like, holy shit.
What a whole bunch of things that are a whole bunch of new information that I was not privy to before I saw this movie as a kid.

(40:59):
And honestly, I haven't really seen any reference to since.
So it's like I've I've been I've been kind of spending a lot of years going like, is that a real thing?
Did they really talk to each other like that?
I don't know, you know, because it's got my curiosity, but it's not a question I'm going to ask.
If I find out the answer organically, that'll be fun.
But I'm not going looking.

(41:23):
Lennox is fast talking and seems like, oh, no, yeah, he is.
He is actually all about them and into the media montage with the white dudes saying the N word.
And basically, this is Ben Shapiro in the 90s, like the voice, the fast talking, the subject matter, everything about this.
It was literally like Ben Shapiro saw this movie and went, hey, that's the guy that I'm going to go to be.

(41:46):
We're. Yeah. I mean, man.
Fantastic Shapiro impersonation, by the way.
I realized that about five words into it and I wanted to get out of it as fast as I could.
I don't I don't want to I don't want to.
That's not that's not. Yeah, that's not a character you want to get into.
No, I know that's not that's not a mind I want to jump into.

(42:09):
Absolutely not. The next performance backstage again with Vanilla Sherbert's who has like you getting that nerve damage taken care of.
I love that they beat his ass and then the show concern for him that that was a lot of fun for me.
And and he's and he's working really he's like, oh, yeah, no, you beat my ass hard, but we're cool now.

(42:35):
Right. Please tell me we're cool now. Right.
And that was where I was. I was waiting for something to come up.
I was waiting for him to be like, yeah, we're cool.
All right, my nuts. I was waiting for something like that.
That's what I was a second beating. OK.
I was waiting for the second one. I wanted it just as like slip out and then just have one of that moments where like Vanilla Sherbert would be like, oh, like, that's what I want.

(43:01):
Like that. I thought that would have been a good one.
Then we meet Slammer, Yo, Highness, Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Time, which I mean, obviously, so Salt and Pepper.
Well, yeah. And the funny thing is, is that they don't even they even like call it out like they're they're not trying to like suggest, oh, Parsley, Rosemary, Sage and Time.

(43:26):
We're like making fun of Salt and Pepper.
No, they literally look in the camera and go and we're better than Salt and Pepper. They're only two spices.
We're four like they like are like their shit talking Salt and Pepper to the camera.
And it was it was the ice's dude.
That was great. Ice water, ice, bird, ice, box, ice tray, ice cup, ice coffee, which is basically the exact play on like in the 90s.

(43:52):
You had ice cube, iced tea and probably more that I'm not even thinking of.
Right now, which in the right exactly odd slate 90s became Lil and Young.
And I'm going to say the ice is beat the youngs because when you have a 60 year old young blood, that's not going to make a lot of sense, man.

(44:13):
But ice cube, he's going to be ice cube forever.
That's it. There's no right. And I ever changed that like Lil Bow Wow.
Lil Bow was a grown ass man now. Right. Like iced tea is still iced tea.
He hasn't been the rapper iced tea in a long time.
He's been, you know, the the actor on on Law and Order for like three times as long as he was ever a rapper.

(44:36):
But he is still iced tea. Yeah.
He never let that go. And that's what I'm saying. The ice is they definitely beat the Lil's and the Young's.
Yeah, I just remember that that joke is like,
Lil Lil Wayne. No, it's a Lil Wayne. Oh, right. Lillian Wayne.
One of my one of my favorite dumb jokes that that's just right out there.

(45:02):
Things get reversed. NWH ahead of the Jam Boys.
And this I do. I cannot. Love the Jam Boys enough.
Yeah, the Jam Boys were absolutely killing me. Everything they said was funny.
They were they were the second set of stars for this movie.
Their rivalry with the Jam Boys and the Jam Boys were fantastic.

(45:26):
I'm pretty sure the Jam Boys was a fictitious play on the Fat Boys.
You know, you're probably right. I didn't even catch that. But that makes sense. Yeah.
It's like this is NW a versus the Fat Boys done in fictional form. Yes. And hilarious. Yeah. Yeah.

(45:47):
Saying that they are out of town for the riots and then talking about their firsthand experiences with the riots.
I could not stop. I was like, yeah, they say all the loot.
No, that's just the people who don't want to work.
But if you take a couch all the way from Crenshaw deck down to Santa Monica and then go back for the match and end tables,
that's a lot of work. And and there's only three of you to carry it with the three of them standing there.

(46:11):
Like, yeah, no, no, I love it. We were out of town when our manager died.
We were in Cleveland. No, we were in Milwaukee. No, I thought we were in Toronto.
Dude, like I was I was there. It was so much fun. That was the one.
That was the one line. That was the one line that me and my friend decided that we could say out loud in mixed company.
And that was we was out of town when that shit went down like we kept that one alive for a good solid 10 years, I think, after we watched this movie.

(46:42):
Like every every chance we get, we would just be like, we were out of town when that shit went down.
Like and nobody knew what we were talking about.
Nobody else that we knew had ever seen this movie.
And so they all just looked at us like, what the fuck are you saying?
I went through a bunch of reviews for this because I was waiting to see some like really sensitive white people or something like that, like coming through and being like, this movie is not OK.

(47:06):
Not a one right now. I don't want a single bad review for this movie.
And it's metacritic was only five point one.
Yet nobody has anything to say bad about it. How does that make sense?
Wait, is metacritic was only five point one, what one? Yeah, that makes zero sense.
That makes absolutely no sense.

(47:31):
I could I was like this movie is so much fun.
It is basically a political commentary and a satire on the music industry.
It is hilarious. It is well performed.
It is well shot. It flows so much that I feel in the creative.
Well, I thought of the film the first half hour of the movie and I only had 20 minutes left.
The movie. Right. Yeah.

(47:52):
Sales. It is it is creative and bold in ways that I have not seen since I haven't seen anything.
I mean, I was well with the one exception of the Dave Chappelle show is the only other thing that I've seen that even matches this.
But that makes sense because Kondya was a writer on the Chappelle show.

(48:14):
Of course it is, you know. And so that's the thing.
I was like, how is how is how is the Chappelle show an international hit?
And this movie is a dumper when it's literally the same fucking thing by the same people.
What the hell? Dave Chappelle.
That's the magic. I guess. I mean, really talking about Nina Blackburn asking them about their misogyny

(48:36):
and saying that that's how they're very viewed by the public.
And then having ice cold compare the booty to society.
We're not talking about women. We're talking about society.
You see the booty society and we have to share the booty so we can share society for everybody and all people.
And have you ever been embraced? No, no, no. That's a much different part of the movie. I got to know.

(49:00):
It's a different part of the movie. Yeah. But it's also good.
But yeah, again, again, another another section that seems like, you know, it comes off as the character making up bullshit off the top of his head,
because it seems like the actor himself is just improvising this stuff.
And yet it works because, yeah, that's yeah, he's he's just doing some like, oh, yeah, no, no, we're not misogynist.

(49:23):
We're talking about society. The booty is a metaphor for society.
It's like, what, what? And he completely lost me in that. So I might actually have to go back and watch that scene again to see if he actually did make sense in that.
But there's too many turns. Yeah, there were too many turns.
And honestly, like every time watching Cassie Lemons respond to everything that he was saying, that floored me every single time as well.

(49:50):
I was having the greatest time with that. But set aside from that interview,
which I did my one of my favorite lines in the one of my favorite lines in the movie is at the end of the movie when they're basically showing outtakes sort of.
And they show a clip from that interview. They get at the end of the movie, the credits are rolling.

(50:13):
They show another like extended part of the interview from that scene, and it becomes one of my favorite lines of the whole movie where she just straight out.
She straight out asks him, what is the difference between a bitch and a hoe?
And they and he says, well, a hoe will fuck everybody, but a bitch fucks everybody but you. Oh, God damn.

(50:36):
Did you not see that part? No, I I missed that.
I was I was I think I was reviewing my notes at that point.
Shit, I should have been on that.
I was. No. OK.
So the booty juice video, which as soon as we went into booty juice, I kept thinking Tropic Thunder and booty sweat like right.

(50:57):
Yes. Everything that my mind was going to, which makes me think that that was a callback.
This or or a blatant rip off one of the two.
Yeah, the priest freaking out about the club and the degradation and all this.
And then he's like and then he pulls the panties out of his pocket.
Ah, they're evil.
So he goes to the show, keeps the panties, whips him out of his pocket during his sermon.

(51:22):
Evil.
Yeah, well, the lady's dancing with their panties full of sin.
Brilliance, brilliance. I was there for every second of that. That was absolutely incredible.
Talking about the books, F.Y.M. and S.M.D. Right.
Yeah. Fuck y'all motherfuckers is the first book.

(51:45):
And he's like, I got a sequel coming out and it's called and it's going to be and suck my dick.
I could not stop laughing this whole movie.
I was unprepared for every like we were talking about airplane last week.
This. Oh, yeah. What?
I mean, this is this is airplane, but racist and with jokes that I just could not have been prepared for

(52:12):
because I did not grow up in this kind of lifestyle.
I didn't grow up with these types of things being acceptable to even be heard.
So, wow, I was loving this.
Showing his kid as the upside down rapper to like to battle Chris Cross. Yep.

(52:34):
I couldn't stop. I couldn't stop every single minute of this movie had something amazing.
Which that yeah, it's like and I'm like, that's another one.
Like you talk about the Lil's like, does anybody even remember Chris Cross today?
Like, who's going to get a yeah, I got my kid to wear his clothes upside down to get to really show up Chris Cross.

(52:55):
Yes, the war there goes backwards. Just right.
That's just just us. Just as old MFers. Yeah, we'll we'll get it.
Yeah, we know about the daddy Mac. We know about the Mac.
Like, yep, I don't think we heard about it. I don't think the younger generation even knows the term Mac Daddy.

(53:16):
No, it's true. I have not heard it brought up in a few years. That is true.
Not in a long time. I say, we get it. We get it. We get it.
It was it was going to come out. We're talking about it.
Tasty taste giving a tour of his home.
Getting the soccer ball. Be like, here you go, my little European brother.

(53:38):
And then his dad like his dad comes over, freaks out, grabs it right.
He was like, you got to make sure all the all those suburban white people just absolutely terrified of the militant black.
And it's like it's not even just the fact that he's a black man. He is a militant black man.
He's walking through there. There he's walking through there wearing army fatigues.

(53:59):
It's not just I mean, you've got to imagine like he's in the neighborhood.
They tried to release a track, an album called Kill Whitey and Kill the Whites and like all this stuff.
All of his neighbors that we saw were white.
I mean, if you do not know the man, like even if you knew the man directly, you'd still probably be a little bit freaked out.
That dude was out to prove something for sure. Right.

(54:22):
Yeah, it's just like it's the it's the added humor of the fact that this guy who's put out the Kill Whitey song,
once he got a little money, first thing he did was buy a house in a white neighborhood. Right.
And he has a range. He has a bunker like he like he went full survivalist.
You'd think all the white neighbors would be like, ah, here we go.

(54:43):
It's like similar hobbies. He's one of us. Yeah.
Well, that was the funny thing. Like I remember that Dave Schiapelsky is like when they were talking about gun control and everything like that.
He's like, you know, we got to do and we might just have to do it if we really want gun control.
Every single black person in this country needs to go get registered for a gun.

(55:04):
We will get gun control pretty fucking quick.
This is basically like if you see like a white dude doing all this shit, doesn't really bother like white people.
You see a black dude doing literally the exact same thing.
Problem. And that is exactly what that joke was basically selling off.
And it and it sold. It sold perfectly.
Tone death showing off his DJ skills.

(55:29):
How which that was a joke.
That was a joke that was waiting to happen for years.
And they were the ones with the balls to do it.
You got to give him a hand there with that.
There wasn't there was an angle to that dangle that was making that song spin.
Yep, folks, you just got to see it to understand it.
That's the thing we can't describe what I just said.

(55:55):
I don't know about that one.
Ice cold getting cold over for a DWB, which. Yep.
The way they set up the fuck the security guards as a basically a parody of Fuck the Police from NWA.

(56:19):
Right. Yep. Perfect.
Yeah, absolutely brilliant.
Yeah. And yeah, I let no notes.
Just wonderful. Yes. And the music goes from exactly as hilarious as I wanted it to be.
It was like it had a it had heavy social commentary in it, but it was also hilarious to watch.

(56:40):
This movie is oddly brilliant.
It's I don't I was not ready for it.
Like I just I was having so much fun.
I didn't realize how much political commentary was actually throughout the entire thing, which.
Oh, sure. Yeah. Was. Yeah. No, that is a that is an absolutely outstanding mark.
We're anti violent and I'll shoot anyone who says otherwise.

(57:07):
What do you even say about these lines, man? They're perfect.
Yeah. I am a gangsta's life ain't fun.
That means that video that was that was that was that was what got him the money.
That's what got him their entire cast.
That was the scene where everyone went like we're going to do what now?
I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in.

(57:29):
Can I just sit on the sidelines? I'll just sit.
I won't even have to say anything or do nothing.
I'm just going to sit in the corner of the scene.
Well, give me a give me a stack of dollar bills to fluff.
So it looks like I'm doing something.
You know, they bring the unrated music video into the classroom with all the naked women and everything like that for the children to watch.
Which the teacher is like that that whole transition, that whole bit.

(57:53):
You've got the we're not violent.
In fact, we did that song, you know, being a gangster ain't fun, which goes into the being a gangster ain't fun video, which is fucking R rated and makes being a gangster look awesome, which then goes into which then goes into the classroom of kids watching this already movie music video, which then goes into.

(58:16):
And now we're going to have NWH and the the Jam Boys, the Jam Boys tell you about how being a gangster ain't great to try to, you know, fix it.
And they instead try to out gangster each other right in front of all the kids.
We are talking a solid 10 minutes of absolute perfect comedy gold that takes just on a roller coaster of. But it doesn't drop like it goes a little.

(58:47):
No, it goes up. It goes a little down, everything like that.
But it does not drop. However, you could slice this section of the movie out.
Yeah, yeah, everything but the very end, the very end. Yeah, that that's a little bit too. It's a little bit too close to home for literally everybody these days.
I don't remember how that scene ended. They got into it. They got into a shooting in the school and all the kids were. Oh, right. That's right. That's right. Okay. Yeah, that might that might not be.

(59:17):
Yeah, that's that that that where that would be where the scene like people would go from. Oh, it's so funny, too. And they would remember that instead of the scene that just happened.
Maybe I don't know. I have for I had forgotten all that. I was laughing the whole way through. So I don't know. Maybe if it was enough of a buildup, maybe it would still work.
But that's in that seems like I was shot 22 times. Oh, yeah. Tasty was shot by a bazooka.

(59:44):
Yeah, look at him. He used to be six foot four. Oh, my God.
Outstanding. Again, just what you said. No notes.
Oh, and right. Okay. And then now we get tasty meets Yoko.

(01:00:08):
All right. Yeah. Our Yoko Ono. Yep. Always got to be a Yoko. Always got to be a Yoko.
You cannot do a band movie of any kind, shape or form until unless you've got a Yoko in it, which really after after 60 odd years, I'm starting to feel a little bad for Yoko, but not not a lot.
I mean, I mean, a little bit.

(01:00:31):
You ever think that you ever think that you feel bad for Yoko Ono? Go back and watch the performance that she did live with Jimi Hendrix.
I know that's okay. I don't have to.
You're sitting here feeling bad for her. No, she said not a lot.
She does not Yoko Ono does not deserve sympathy.

(01:00:55):
If there if there is more to that story than I that I don't know. Okay. What she I'm not.
I'm not saying there's more to the story or anything that I'm just saying she's taken shit for 60 years.
It's got to end eventually, you know, right?
Sure, as soon as the Beatles stop being popular.

(01:01:20):
Okay, well, that's that's that's going to take a while. Yeah, because why did we not get more Beatles songs?
No, okay. All right. All right.
Fair enough. Fair enough. The woman's lucky that she actually got to keep her name Yoko and it didn't get switched to Yoki.

(01:01:41):
I should probably explain that that's Japanese demon.
Right. Yeah. Yeah. There's a there's a there's a very niche audience that'll get that joke. Yeah.
Yes, I have to admit that that was yeah, that was not. Yeah.
And no, that was not harsh. The sounds she made are demonic.
Wow, I am so mean to this woman. You really are angry.

(01:02:05):
Dude, it's been 60 years.
And I mean, for God's sake, she wrote here.
I look. I'm not going to try to talk.
I mean, I understand I'm still angry about the Library of Alexandria.

(01:02:27):
I get it. These things kind of stick with you. So, you know, so I'm not going to sit here and try to talk you out of this.
I'm just saying some every once in a while, I feel a little bad that she's you know.
I'm not saying that I'm not saying that it's different that we don't know the whole story.
Then I'm just saying she might not be the same person now because it's been that long.

(01:02:48):
Maybe now in her current iteration, as she has grown and lived throughout the world, maybe she doesn't deserve this anymore.
That's all I'm saying.
No, she deserves it. OK, I mean, that's just going to be the two different sides of it and everything like that, because here's the thing.
Monica Lewinsky doesn't deserve what she what she got. All of that. Yeah. All that shit. Everything like that.

(01:03:15):
Right. Yoko destroyed a band and went and tried to make it about herself, went on TV, did all of these things, did terrible performances and all those performances like
Monica Lewinsky doesn't deserve what she's got, what she has gotten.
Well, sure. Yoko Ono deserves what she got.
OK, like that's where the difference Monica Lewinsky, she did something with like the most popular president in history up until that point.

(01:03:44):
The dude was charismatic and as hell and so many people loved him.
Like if it wasn't her, it was going to be 15 other women.
I mean, well, let's be honest, she probably wasn't the only one. She's just the one that got caught.
Yeah, exactly. So that's why I'm saying like Monica Lewinsky doesn't like she didn't deserve all of that.
However, Yoko Strait tried to sabotage the Beatles and make it about herself and so.

(01:04:12):
You know what you try to tank, you try to tank something, you try to destroy it, you try to be the one benefiting from it and you deserve the hatred.
That is kind of a thing. OK, I'm pretty OK with that.
And then we get Yoko is just flat out jealous of Nina Blackburn and Nina's like, oh, so you've been that was your backstage.
Yeah. Oh, I'm not. Oh, well, how many celebrities have you been with?

(01:04:36):
Oh, 14. Like, yeah. That was a great scene. Yeah.
I was like right off the right off the bat. She you know, what was her name? Sandy or something like that. I can't remember her name.
Oh, I just kept calling her Yoko Cheryl or so much. OK, I think Cheryl, I think the actors, the actors name is Rose Jackson.

(01:05:00):
And you're right. Right. OK. It was Cheryl. Right. Yeah.
So, yeah, it's like right off the bat, Nina. You know, she's like, let's interview you.
And right off the bat, Cheryl's just like, oh, so you're hanging out with my guy a lot.
All right. Like, like right, like right off the bat, she's like throwing the jealousy and which is like added to the fact that literally the scene right before, you know, Cheryl's telling tasty taste like jams.

(01:05:22):
Also dangling a little bit to ice cold. Right. Yeah. And tell and telling tasty taste like, oh, you know, I've told you about how jealousy is, you know, is toxic and stuff like that.
And yeah, just like that, like we got this personality type down to a science right here. Like, that's who she is. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
Gets a row. Ice cold gets a roll with Jake Spingleton.

(01:05:49):
We're even trying to and I love this. I was short before you. I was nearsighted before you and I was angry before you. Y'all stealing from me.
He's like, you're right. He was short as hell before all of you. What the fuck was that scene?
It was just so in the movie, the drug dealing babies. How are we going to get a drug dealing babies movies with drug dealing babies back to back?

(01:06:20):
How does that happen when I've never seen a movie about drug dealing babies?
There's another there's a saying there's there's a saying that invention does not come to a person that comes to a society. And in the 90s, drug dealing babies was the low hanging fruit.

(01:06:42):
You know what? It worked. I mean, two movies that I have seen it in, it floored me both times, so I don't know why it stopped. That was outstanding.
Oh, this this I sort of got if I ever wind up back on movie set again and I like even like doing a 48 or something like that and I get myself and I assume the director position.

(01:07:06):
I'm going to say this line. I'm going to it's going to be the final I'm going to prep it. I'm going to practice it.
I'm going to make sure that it is the champagne shot of the film of whatever the project is. But at the end of it, cut print on the shit.
Not because I believe it, but because that would floor of any crew that you work with. They will exactly laughing at that one.

(01:07:36):
So I oh my God, that was too, too. And the way it and the way like it's a one to punch like we it's an upper shot and he jumps into the shot where like he's in the camera going on the shit and then turns around and hops down off of whatever he was standing on to go into the scene.
Like, geez, like, no punches pulled no punches pulled whatsoever. Yoko. Oh, yeah, obviously, Yoko is hard sabotage. And so they're at the state. They're at the show. They're about to go on ice cold mist.

(01:08:11):
The sound check and like Yoko is trying to say like, oh, what if he misses the show? And then like tone of like he's not going to miss the show like tone like tone deaf is like the only good band mate of this. Right.
And he's he's he's he's the nice guy throughout the whole thing. Like he's the only other than that one song he did on his own. He's the one person who did nothing wrong in this whole movie. And I can name a couple people in my life who would probably even say the song was perfect.

(01:08:42):
I'm sorry, Doc, but I'm going to download that song. It's going to be so I'm going to listen to it at some point, because every single time I heard him say, I'm just a human.
I like because it was Mark Christopher Lawrence, number one. That was the big one for me.
The him doing that it sale it.

(01:09:05):
You know what we like.
We're talking finale. We're talking bonus episodes. You know, maybe we should actually do a finale as talking about an one show.
And like every season, like season, maybe we should end actually talking about a TV show that we can spend a couple hours on just straight talking about the show and like everything like that from beginning to end kind of thing.

(01:09:29):
Yeah, go through the story arcs and things like that. But
depending on the show, that sounds like it would be a lot. I mean, off my head, the first one that comes to mind that I know both of us have seen that I that I the only show that I know you and I both have seen in its entirety is Supernatural.

(01:09:50):
And that's like a five hour conversation right there. Like, are you sure you want to do that?
Yeah. I mean, think about how much fun that would be. Think and fans of Supernatural. That would be a very special episode for them.
I suppose that would be true. Yeah, because that's the whole point is throwing love to things that they love. We love.

(01:10:11):
And yes, we could do all of Supernatural. But if I were to focus on Supernatural, I would like to do the first five seasons.
Focus on that. Just and then the main storyline. OK, yeah. And then just, you know, talk a little bit about where the show went afterwards, but mostly focus on Krypti Krypki's original goal.

(01:10:33):
That's OK. I think that would make sense to do that. Yeah. Back to this one.
Tone deaf is the voice of reason, even when he loses his shit. He's like, you guys better start acting intelligently. I'm a what both your asses. And I'm like.
I'm really connecting to that character more than anybody else in this movie.

(01:10:57):
Dropping all the guns, so many guns. Yeah, what that all that was. Yeah, we're going to we're going to do this.
We're going to do this right. Let's you know, and they drop they both drop a bunch of guns at first and then I take you out and then like, yeah.
Well, and even then it's like and then we even get the added like, you know, they both drop a bunch of guns and then tasty keeps dropping more guns, pulls a fucking sawed off shotgun out of his sleeve and drops that and more knives like like it's

(01:11:28):
they're both armed to the teeth. That's already funny. And then we're seeing that tasty is while he was about to go on stage packing all that shit like that.
Well, that's what they said is after St. Louis, they had that one gig where they had fake guns and then everybody in the crowd pulled guns back on them.
Now they use real ones. Yeah, no, right. Yes. They did include that in there.

(01:11:53):
Oh, man. Interviewing the manager and we talked about this last night where they cut her dialogue off a little bit early.
But I still had my curious. I watched it like five times just trying to see if I could figure out what her mouth was saying.
I couldn't do it. Couldn't figure it out. Yeah. Fear of a black hat one hour six minutes in. If you can figure out what she says, let me know. I am very curious. I don't know why.

(01:12:19):
Because I'm in the office with breakw我覺得 if my job wasn't easy just. Pennsylvania that makes me초보
Okay. Well, now you can change your puzzle, as you want to change your answer.

(01:12:41):
Like that and also yes, if you can mess up with the
As they're walking in, like you don't, and that's just movie rules.
Like they're like knocking on the door.
Ice wake up.
He's not waking up.
Well, let's just open the door and go in.
It's like, okay, we have seen this scene in a movie a thousand times.
He's going to be in there with the girlfriend.
Yeah.

(01:13:01):
Like we know, and they, and they walk in and the place is a mess.
There is a gun with a condom on it sitting on the table next to them.
Loved it.
Loved it.
He has to pose the gun on tasty and he has to rip the condom off the end of it.
Nope.
That was right.
Redible.
Never seen that before.

(01:13:21):
That was awesome.
Uh, but, but yeah, and, and he's trying, he's looking, he's saying to tasty, he's like,
look, man, I told you she was a freak.
Yeah.
Is that, you know what?
I had to do my own research.
Like, like, yeah, like, you know, sometimes, sometimes you got to take that bullet for
your bro, you know?

(01:13:41):
Then we have, he's not lit.
Yeah.
If he, if he's not, if he's not going to listen, that his, uh, that the girl he's with is a
skank, you just got to prove it right to his face.
I mean, sure.
You'll, you might lose a friend.
You might get shot.
You definitely get your ass whooped.
But right now, I can't even do it.

(01:14:02):
I can't get, uh, so yeah, this is where the band breaks up.
And then we cut to eight months later and, um, come and pet the, and they keep saying
it like that P U S S Y.
And I, I forgot to write down what that acronym stood for.
Um, right.

(01:14:23):
Cause he's still doing it.
He's trying to pretend that this is all social commentary with acronyms and metaphors and
stuff like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that whole song, like that whole section, complete toss to Mary Walsh and, uh, CNC music
factory.
Yep.
Yep.
Absolutely.
Again, for people who don't know, um, CNC music factory, the, um, oh God, what was that?

(01:14:49):
What was that main line?
It was, uh, everybody dance now.
Oh yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Mary Walsh still super popular today.
Yes.
And Mary Walsh is uncredited for that song.
She got no money for that.
She did like nothing.
So that whole scene from that, where you had this lit, like this little lady who was the

(01:15:10):
model for the music video and all that, she shows up me like, no, it's me.
I am, I, I'm the one.
Yes.
I Japanese.
I speak in Japanese, but I sing like black woman.
They made her say those words to the camera.
That poor actress.
It was incredible.
And then you have this basically Mary Walsh look alike come onto the set and just rip

(01:15:35):
her off.
She's like, Oh hell no.
That's my song.
Like dude, I like, I wish Mary Walsh would have done that in the nineties.
That would probably still be my favorite clip because you know that it would have been made
to YouTube years later.
And oh sure.
Yeah.
But there is a line on, um, do you remember when our Arsenio Hall had a show?

(01:15:56):
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
I remember Mary Walsh went on Arsenio and he like guided her into saying that.
And when she did the crowd went absolutely nuts because her voice, not that song, because
that song was like nothing about that song was really that Epic beyond her voice.

(01:16:17):
Her voice for that is what made that song famous.
And absolutely.
Yeah.
No, she, Mary Walsh was the voice of that year.
She was down.
And they paid her her dues in this movie for sure.
With that whole bit.
Yeah.
I really appreciated that.

(01:16:38):
Like it was, it was, it was, uh, it was a strange throw.
It matched the movie and I'm really glad that they did that because she deserved it.
Yep.
The new human formantics.
I'm sorry.
I love this interview.
I see everybody is the same shade.
Black, white, like all this.

(01:16:58):
And he's wearing these deep, deep red glasses.
And the interviewer says, are you sure it's not just the glasses?
And then cut away.
Right.
Yeah.
Perfect.
I'm just a human and a granny said, kick your ass, which is a playoff.
Mama said, yeah, from a call.

(01:17:20):
I didn't, I didn't think you were going to, I didn't think you were going to get that
one, but nice.
Yeah.
Uh, but I guess that was one of the bigger ones, wasn't it?
It was.
Yes.
That was one.
I mean, that was even, that was one of, you know, that was his big comeback.
It was a big hit.
It was being played on MTV over and over again.
They made fun of it on, uh, in living color.
It was like, it was, it was the song to make fun of, uh, that year that it came out.

(01:17:45):
Like the fact that there isn't a weird out version of it just blows me away.
Good point.
Yeah.
Huh.
Uh, tasty has absolutely embraced the hatred.
And although that, like the whole music video is I'm a kick your black ass.
And he actually has a boot going up against some dudes bare black ass wearing.

(01:18:12):
What was he wearing?
It was, it was like a, like basically they turned a towel into a thong.
I was out of town when that shit went down.
Jesus Christ.
Uh, tone deaf gets beat by some cabbies because instead of like, he's saying, he's like, I'm
not black.

(01:18:33):
I'm not black.
And apparently a bunch of cabbies in New York did not appreciate a black man saying I'm
not black.
So that went a direction.
Um, yes, it did.
Yes.
No.
Yeah.
All their solo careers that we got, we've got, uh, we've got, we got ice is, uh, you
know, he's still doing his S yeah, he's, he's doing an MC hammer, but still also the same

(01:18:56):
thing.
And then we've got tasty taste who basically he's still doing his easy act, but now he's
putting out an entire album, shit talking his, his old bandmate who, who fucked his
girlfriend.
Uh, and then you've got a tone deaf who's gone full like hippie on it, like to, to an
Nth degree that even I don't know the other artists who did turn it off, but the music

(01:19:21):
video felt like a blind melon ripoff.
Uh, okay.
Yeah.
I can see that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It might've, it might, if I were to take a wild guess and I'm, and I'm basing this off
of one very distant memory of a single music video, he might be doing PM Dawn.

(01:19:42):
Don't know.
Not even familiar with that.
Okay.
So yeah, when he gets beat by them cabbies, uh, this brings them back together.
And then we get six months later, Yoko is now with the jam boys and NWH is back.
They go through and they get busted.

(01:20:03):
Jam boys gets knocked off.
NWH gets hit up to the top of the top build all this.
They see the jam boys walking by with Cheryl, the jam boys are shit talking like, eh, motherfuckers.
And they're just watching Cheryl walk off with the jam boys and they're all laughing
their asses off like, Oh no, they're in, you know, if you lay a dog with, uh, if you lay

(01:20:25):
down with dogs, you're going to get disease.
I loved that.
That was a great inclusion.
I was so happy with that.
And then just, you know, we ended where we began and fuck my life.
This is such a good movie.
So much fun.
There's I mean, there's no story to this.

(01:20:45):
It was set up to be a documentary, like documentary style.
You're just following the band, like be a band.
There's not much of a story here.
It's just flat out fucking entertaining.
Right.
Yeah.
It's more like a sketch comedy show that's just has, you know, the same set of characters
strung through the whole thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(01:21:06):
And, and, and goes together really, really well.
Like it all plays.
Every scene flows into each other easily.
Like yeah, you said, like you said, like the movie was over and you're like, shit, we just
started.
Like really an hour and a half has gone by.
This was, it felt like five minutes.
I loved it.
Absolutely loved it.
Yeah.
I'm, I'm going to put it on a must see for millennials and Gen X.

(01:21:32):
Okay.
I'm not going to put it as a must see for Zillennials.
Okay.
Why is that?
Because I don't think the majority of them are actually going to understand the comedy
behind it because I think a lot of the comedy is based off of the fact that you know that
they're ragging on things that were happening at that time.

(01:21:53):
If you watch this now, then a lot of the tone that I've seen come out from like social media
reviews and stuff that have like hit a lot of the mainstream.
There's like, it's basically like, okay, if you're white, you can't watch this movie.
Like they're basically like, you can't laugh at this, you can't, and like that's like,
no, this movie was not made.
I don't think anyone's saying that, but okay.

(01:22:16):
That's weird.
Hell yeah.
Dude, that's, that's an old one.
Like Django Unchained.
There were a lot of people who were not okay with the fact that people actually laughed
at funny parts of that movie.
Oh, bullshit.
I don't, I don't buy that.
That sounds, that sounds like some internet bullshit to me.
That sounds like clickbait.
I know.
Well, okay.

(01:22:37):
I didn't get that from the internet.
I got that from actually my manager when I was acting out in Oregon and it came out,
she went to theaters and she said that a bunch of black people were walking out of the theater
because white people were laughing at parts of the movie that they did not like.
Huh.
Interesting.
Yeah.

(01:22:57):
I cannot.
So that's, that's not, that's not the internet.
Maybe that person was lying, but that was a firsthand account from that, that I wasn't
there for cause I didn't go see it in theaters because number one, I didn't know.
Like it was a movie about slavery, all this shit, everything like that.
There was going to be some real deep shit in there and all that stuff.

(01:23:20):
And realistically I didn't know how I was going to see it.
Right.
Okay.
See the only reason I wanted to, I wanted to watch that in a situation where I was able
to pause it if I needed to go take a little bit of a break and not waste my money from
having gone to the theater.
See it remains to this day, the only Tarantino movie I haven't seen in the theater.

(01:23:42):
And the only reason I missed it in the theater was because it was at a time in my life in
which I was dead fucking broke and couldn't even afford a movie ticket.
And that's basically it.
I absolutely would have seen it in the theater because I have, because I am, you know, I
know, I know that that's like some sort of like weird, like bro credit thing that no
one respects for some reason, but I am a, I am a Tarantino fan.

(01:24:02):
I have seen every movie that he has made in the theaters, including pulp fiction.
I was like the first kid in my neighborhood to see pulp fiction in the, in the theater
before anybody knew.
And yeah.
And, and when he comes out with his next one, I'm going to do it again.
So here's the thing.
He lost me with kill Bill.

(01:24:24):
Really?
Yeah.
Oh, he got me with reservoir dogs.
Oh my God.
He got me with reservoir dogs.
Pulp fiction.
I grew into liking that.
I didn't like it when I first saw it.
Uh, my, my taste had to evolve.
Uh, kill, kill Bill.
Not even a little bit.
Really?

(01:24:44):
Not one.
I'm surprised.
Yeah.
Not one part of that movie.
The, the over-cortuitous nature of the blood and the over like parts of the overacting
that went in there and I think.
No, like that, like that's yeah.
I'm surprised.
He knows big, like big one that everybody celebrates and everybody is absolutely dapeshit

(01:25:10):
for.
I was so fucking bored.
Really?
I am.
I am shocked.
I am.
I don't even know what to say to that.
Yeah.
I'm not pretty much.
That pretty much shocks everybody.
Um, mostly because I have seen.
Have you seen hateful eight?
Yeah.
Loved it.
Okay.
So yeah, there we go.
That's fine.
All right.
Then, then we got nothing.

(01:25:30):
There's nothing.
There's no beef between us there.
No, I, I honestly can't tell you what it is about kill Bill.
Now I definitely can't go back and watch it.
Um, because of who I know Bill.
No, I know.
Like, yeah.
Yeah.
Like now, now it just doesn't even stand a chance at all.

(01:25:51):
So yeah, I just, not every movie is for everybody and everybody is going to have that one movie
that is super popular to everybody else.
That just doesn't land on them for me.
Right.
Well, and then this thing is like, that's, that's the thing is like even as a Tarantino
fan, I am not a fan of Jackie Brown.

(01:26:13):
That's his one movie that I did not care for.
I love Jackie Brown.
So yeah, most everybody I know did too.
When you're a director like Tarantino and you go through a broad spectrum of subjects
and styles, that's the thing.
Yeah.
Not all of them are going to land with everybody.
It's not.
That's the thing.

(01:26:34):
Yeah.
I would, I would be, I would be more suspect of someone who was, um, absolutely a fan of
everything he's done unconditionally.
I would, I would, that's the kind of person I would go, you're full of shit.
Because there's no way, there's no way you've loved every single thing he did with all the
different weird shit he's done.
No, no, no.

(01:26:54):
So like there's, there's very much like once upon a time in Hollywood, hateful age, reservoir.
Okay.
Maybe not reservoir dogs.
Reservoir dogs is for a specific type of person.
Yeah.
And there is a specific type of person out there that is just very much against movies
like that.
That just happens to be my absolute jam.
Reservoir dogs is a perfect movie.

(01:27:16):
Yeah.
No, it really is.
Hands down.
Um, so that was my position on Fear of a Black Hat.
What about yours?
You know, interestingly enough, I was, I was surprised, but I was feeling the same way
about it because for the same reason when this like to compare it to when we were talking
before about airplane, about how that was a movie that was also very specifically making

(01:27:39):
fun of a bunch of very specific movies.
Even when you, we only get like two of the references that they're specifically making
fun of, even the parts where we don't get the reference, they're still funny.
And yeah, I question as to whether or not any of this is still funny if you don't get
the reference.
That's what I'm wondering too.
I could be, I could be wrong.
That's kind of one of those things where I'd say like, if there are, if there are any younger

(01:28:02):
kids out there doing a different movie podcast, maybe you should check this out and see if
you get it, you know, cause I don't know.
This was very, very topical humor at a time, uh, that at the time that it came out.
All of the references, so this is a movie that is maybe not made for us, but definitely
made for our era.
Exactly.
Yeah.

(01:28:23):
So I was kind of leaning the same way that, yeah, if you, if you are our age, then yeah,
the fact that you should be kicking yourself for missing this movie in the first place,
but yeah, the younger kids, yeah, I don't know if you get it because it is very much
a movie of its time.
Uh, so yeah, that, but at the same time, and this is kind of where I kind of go back and
forth on it at the time, it was even for its time, profoundly bold.

(01:28:48):
I have not seen any movie this ballsy since this came out.
Like not even the scary movies with all their audacity get as ballsy as this movie did.
And that's saying something because scary movies, because a scary movie franchise, they,
they crossed the line a lot.
These guys cross the-

(01:29:09):
Some more Kondy F work, some more of his recent stuff and see what he turned into.
Absolutely.
Well, I know he started, he, I know he did just make another like Tales from the Hood
3, I think just came out a year or so ago, I think, didn't it?
I don't know.
I thought I saw the last thing that he released was in 2018, but I could very easily be mistaken

(01:29:34):
because like I said, with us doing backup episodes, my amount of research is like frying
my brain because I'm also doing, cause I also wrote seven new pages of the book.
Oh, okay.
So, wow.
Okay.
You been busy?
Yeah.
I don't even know where all of this is coming from.

(01:29:55):
It's just falling out of me.
Nevermind.
Okay.
So, five point one, seven point two.
Oh, okay.
So it's gone up since we started talking about it.
That's good.
Okay.
Oh, shit.
Nevermind.
No, okay.
The Metacritic is six, six point one.

(01:30:15):
The IMDb rating is seven point two.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Well, that's C, okay.
And Rusty Kondy F, what is he got right now?
Okay.
There is a movie that just released last year called 57 seconds.
I feel like I've heard of that.

(01:30:38):
Oh, starring Josh Hutcherson, Morgan and Morgan Freeman.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
Greg German.
Wait, why is it?
Why does this have such a good cast?
Why am I not heard of this?
Well, we might have to check that out and see what Rusty became.

(01:31:04):
Yeah.
All right.
Any final thoughts on Fear of a Black Hat?
Nah, just yeah.
This movie was iconic when I saw it.
Like I said, I quoted from it despite, you know, the you know how dangerous that was
to my health for years later.

(01:31:26):
And yeah, and yeah, I have been telling people that they got to see this movie because it's
just you can't it is difficult to describe.
Like you said, it is a 90s hip hop version of Spinal Tap.
That is all you can say to prepare anybody for this movie, honestly.
And I have said that to many, many people.
I don't think any of them have listened to me.

(01:31:47):
You are the first person who I've been able to force to watch this movie in 20 years.
And so I hate because I have that same thing.
I've been trying to get my family and some of my friends to watch things for so long.
And I've successfully tricked my family into watching some things because I'll sit there
with my niece and my nephew and I'll kick it on.

(01:32:09):
They're like, well, I want to spend time with my grandchildren.
And then we kick it out there like this is amazing.
It's like, uh huh.
Yeah.
Dude.
Oh my God.
I realized that as I did that.
I am very sorry.

(01:32:30):
Okay.
I'm not too sorry because I know who's going to be the one to edit it.
And I know that that's going to catch me just as off guard as it did you.
But that but it's movies like this are the reason why.
Like these are the movies like this are the reason why I would buy the DVDs.

(01:32:52):
Even if I didn't plan on watching 100 times, I knew it would be a case of where like, oh,
you haven't seen this.
Pull it off the shelf.
You're watching it right now.
And you know, for some of them, yeah, like the paper, I watch it with them, seen it 100
plus times.
I don't know why I never bought a copy of this movie.
I should have a long, long time ago.
All right.

(01:33:13):
Yeah.
No, I basically did that just this week.
I was hanging out with some friends and they were saying that they like musicals and I
was like, well, have you ever seen Reefer Madness?
The musical?
Yes.
We sat down, we kicked that on and one of them laughed so hard that they gave themselves

(01:33:35):
a migraine and had to go lie down and the other one wound up like, but we got to the
end, he's like, I don't know if I had expectations going into that, but that surpassed literally
every single one of them.
And I'm like, yeah, no, it was phenomenal.
So that is going to take care of part one of this week's episode.

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All right, and part two is going to be Soldier starring Kurt Russell and I love this film,
but I know, I know, not everybody.
So Soldier.
So you should save it for later.
Like you asked me before we started the show what I thought of it.

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You should have saved it for when we were live because that whole interaction where
I go, where I go, it was okay.
And you're like, what?
What?
Like that was, that was organic.
You know, you should, you should save it.
It is part of the recording that is still the intro to the show.
Oh, I didn't know we were recording then.

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Yeah, no, I already had, at least I thought it was.
All right, so Soldier written by David Webb Peoples directed by Paul W.S. Anderson starring.
Well, he's now Paul W.S. Anderson because he was just Paul Anderson.

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And then Paul Thomas Anderson came along and became the more, the better director Paul
Anderson.
And so Paul Anderson had to be like, well, I'm Paul W.S. Anderson now.
I'm, I, you know, I'm the important one.
I've got two initials between my names.
I directed Resident Evil, damn it.

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Which I will love him for that forever.
The first one was pretty good.
The first one.
I did enjoy it.
Just the first one.
Yeah, just, just, just the first one.
I loved the first one and just every expectation fell from every movie after that.
But you know what?
While watching them, they are fun to watch.

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They're just, they don't mean anything.
Like you can't even, like the story doesn't even stay the same.
It's not, it's like it's a different Alice every time.
It's, it's the, yeah, the story makes zero.
The story barely made sense in the first movie and then they just didn't bother trying to
make it make sense from then on.
Yeah.
But the Resident Evil TV show that they got up on Netflix now, that's good.

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Is it?
I watched the first couple episodes and I couldn't, I couldn't continue on.
It didn't grab me until later.
But like I said, like I suffered through like first generation or next generation, the first
season.
So I'm kind of like, if it's, if it's an IP that I do enjoy, I'll give it the shot and

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I'll stick it through and I'll see if I wound up liking it.
If it's not something that I'm familiar with at all, and it doesn't grab me right away,
I don't give it that shot, which is pretty much why studios do not take the chance on
new stuff because of people like me.
I'm the problem.
Right.
Well, and I'm kind of right there too on two different fronts, though.
That's the thing is like, I will give a show its first three episodes is what I usually

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do.
But I couldn't even do I couldn't even do three episodes on this.
That's kind of like where I felt they really failed.
If it grabs me in three episodes, then I'm in.
But yeah, for the same thing, like that's the thing is we've talked about before how
most people don't get into a show until like even its second season.
And that's why it's crazy that these shows aren't given the opportunity and I get that.

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I'm part of the problem there, too.
But I have gone back and given shows a second chance if people say, oh, yeah, no, I'm on
season five and it just keeps getting better and better.
Then I'll be like, all right, I'll with that.
If it's someone whose taste I trust, I'll I'll give it that extra mile.
You know, pretty much you and me and the magicians.

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I watched the first couple and just nope, but I've had not just you.
There are multiple people who have told me to go back and check that one out.
Probably going to just right now, I am busy as hell.
No, I get that.
But yeah, man, every every time the magicians comes up in conversation, I want to go watch

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it again.
Hey, it's it's.
Yeah.
So Soldier starring Kurt Russell, Jason Scott Lee, Connie Nielsen and Sean Pertwee with Gary
Busey, Jason Isaacs, Mark Brinklson, KK Dodds, Brenda Whale, Michael Chickless and James Black.

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In my eyes, there wasn't a weak actor.
There was not a weak character.
There was not a weak actor.
Like everybody.
Well, the what's her name?
The love interest.
Connie Nielsen.
Connie.
Yeah, I mean, like she didn't do anything wrong.
I don't know.
She just kind of felt.

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To me, she felt kind of flat, you know, like her purpose for this.
Like it was not her movie.
It was not like her part.
Like her purpose for the story was to interest introduce the conflict with Sean Pertwee and
to represent a piece of love and safety and security that Kurt Russell, as the soldier

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Todd had never experienced firsthand.
She was there to actually show him the life that he had been missing.
So yeah, her purpose in the story.
Perfect.
I can't think of a scene that she actually dropped, and she is a very successful actor.
I am.
No, yeah, that's the thing.
I wanted to see her return for Gladiator two.

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OK, yeah, well, and yeah, I don't think she the actress did anything wrong.
I just that's the thing is like I felt like it was kind of.
Her character felt like a placeholder.
Like I understand the points that you put on there and she did accomplish those things.
But that's the thing is, I don't think I feel like she wasn't given the opportunity
to be a character outside of those placeholders that you just described.

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Different story.
But that would have made for a different story.
If she would have had more character development and she would have had more screen time, then
I believe there would have actually been a conflict between Pertwee and Russell in the
film.
And this film did not need it.
OK, yeah.
So I'm glad that they didn't go that route because like there was like the confusion

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over seeing it and Russell seeing that and Pertwee seeing the realizations over Russell,
the confusion of that.
But even later in the movie, he claims that they made a mistake.
So I'm glad that it went that way because it kept me hurt.
I kept Sean Pertwee's character completely intact.
Yeah, yeah.
So let's get into it.

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We open in the year 1996, which they classify as year zero, selecting apparently just the
top babies and it's an ominous thing because that goes back to like the only other time
I remember hearing something like that and was when apparently when the the communist

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revolutionaries took over Cambodia, that was one of the first things they did is they declared
a year zero in Cambodia.
And so that's kind of the foreshadowing that we're given there.
It's 1996.
It's year zero.
We're basically being told a fascist regime has taken over and that's what we're watching
play out here.
Absolutely.
And this this little montage, I felt it was absolutely perfect.

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So we start off in year five with the children and the senses desensitization, watching them
like watching them watch animals tear each other apart as a sense of desensitization.
Year eight, we see puzzle solving skills.
Year 12.
Did you recognize that little kid?

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No.
That's John Walker, U.S. agent in Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Oh, nice.
OK, yeah, no, I didn't recognize him at all.
That is Wyatt Russell.
That is Kurt Russell's actual child playing him at 11 years old.
Ah, OK.

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All right.
That's clever.
I thought that was nice.
I thought that was a cool thing.
Nepotism doesn't really bother me when it's a father and a like a parent and their child
being in a movie together because we want to see that actor, but that actor wants to
spend time with their child.
So nepotism doesn't really bother me like that.
Like it's a very understandable thing.

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Well in that regard, considering what like ultimately to the rest of the movie, what
a small role it was, I don't even know if I'd call that nepotism.
I'd call that, yeah, just having fun with your kid at work.
Like that's that's take that's take your take your kid to work day is what that was.
So I wouldn't I wouldn't even classify it.
Yeah, yeah.
But also in that you see the military chases down the one child that is the slowest one

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and they are culling the weak.
Year 16 is the absolute weapons train like horror of weapons training.
You have you pretend you don't shoot the civilian.
You shoot the enemy, but if the civilian is right in front of the enemy, then you shoot
the civilian.
That is the horror show.
And that is what I am afraid that a lot of people think is what soldiers are trained

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to do.
That's not what we're trained to do.
That is not what we do.
That is that is how we send the spend the rest of our life in Leavenworth.
Like right.
Yes.
Yeah, that's not what we do.
Year 17, Todd, like he gets a tattoo.
He gets his designation all of this year 38 big Todd in the War of the Cities.

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And we get another montage with the Moscow incident and the war in the cities and the
Battle of the Argentine Moons.
All of this really did a very good job of showing just completely show not tell.
Right.
Yes.
This did perfect over explaining who these characters were, what happened to them, why

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they are the way they are.
Everything did a very good job.
And we are only seven minutes into the movie.
But then we end it with something out of a 70s serial, you know, with the with the weird
with the with the weird space suits and the bad green screen background and the big paper

(01:44:30):
rocks like it looks it looks like something out of like, like, you know, the adventures
of Mr. Moon Man was bad.
Like the CG was very, very bad.
I will give it that I'm not going to praise it even even for the time it was bad.
Yeah.
So yeah, not not not a whole lot of praise for that.
However, I very much enjoyed the story.

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Then we see them just like that between wars moment where they're all just sitting on their
beds staring off into the distance just basically like they're on standby.
Unbelievably unsettling for me.
Unbelievably like that was like that did a very good job.
Here's something that I forgot about.

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It's really weird to see Gary Busey kind of being a good guy.
Oh, yeah.
It took me a minute to go.
I'm sitting there going like, wait, is that is that Busey or is that Nolte?
Is that Busey?
I can't.
Okay, yeah, no, it's Busey.
He's really got it together in this one.
He is actually acting in this one and delivering like this is before he like had his issues

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and all that stuff.
And honestly, you just don't see Gary Busey being a good guy that often in film.
No, he does such a good job of being the crazy bad guy.
Look, he's he's such a big imposing dude with kind of a you know, kind of a scary face.
He you know, you look at him and you think, oh, that's a scary dude.
Let's cast him as a scary dude.
You know?
Yeah.

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But in this one, I mean, let's let's be real.
Like what they were doing, they weren't good guys, anything like that.
Like none of them were good guys.
However, he had the moral high ground almost every time he opened his mouth.
Mm hmm.
Like he actually even like even as we're going, he's like, are there civilians there?
Then what do we do?
And he sees like the guys like wipe out of the civilians are all automatically hostiles.

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He's like, no, they're civilians.
They need to be protected.
Like watching Busey be the good dude.
I loved it like that, that that in and of itself was something that I really enjoyed
of this movie.
But I think the reason why he played such a good guy is because Jason Isaacs is so good
at hamming it up is the bad guy.

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He really, really is.
Yeah.
Oh, good.
With that little evil pencil mustache.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Perfect.
Seeing the differences between the old guard and this new breed of soldiers, the new breed
of the the the the Vin Diesel boys.

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Oh, yeah.
And that's where we see Jason Scott Lee, which talking about an imposing force.
I mean, good God.
Yeah.
Russell is huge in this movie and he looks so small compared to Jason Scott Lee, which
is not a thing I'm used to saying about Kurt Russell.
Like, there's like this, I think this is the biggest I've ever actually seen Kurt Russell

(01:47:35):
to.
This is the most jacked I've ever seen him because when like escape from New York, he
was buff.
He was lean.
He was just not true.
Jacked in this.
I think you're right.
Yeah.
He was a lean buff guy.
You're just an imposing son of a bitch.
The accuracy, 99 percent, the physicals fitness, absolutely spot on.

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Todd gets a 20 minute or 20 minute head start on him and he still beats him.
The endurance test in that battle.
We know Todd is bad.
The movie does as well, but they still do a good job of getting us to root for him.
Like that's where I thought the movie did a very good job.
They explained to us right away he's not a good character, but we're still rooting for

(01:48:23):
him.
Good job there.
Yeah.
And well, it's interesting how it's kind of like, well, even then we're even not like
like we kind of got on his side, even the beginning where it's like, OK, he's he's not
a good guy, you know, but he is a he's a product.

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You know, he was born to be made into this thing.
And you know, for all the terrible things that he's done, like he doesn't know any different
and now he's like the ultimate disgrace to any soldier is now he's literally for all
of his service, for all of the terrible things that he has done in the name of his commanders,

(01:49:06):
he's literally being tossed aside just because one guy can run faster than him or something
like that.
Like it's it is it is humiliation on top of all the other shit that he's been made to
be, you know.
And so, yeah, yeah, it's.
The message of the film, don't get me wrong, I got nothing against it.

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It's just like ultimately I've found nothing in it impressive.
It was a.
The story is kind of run of the mill, lackluster.
You know, that's that's kind of where I went.
Like I didn't hate it.
I wasn't impressed by anything by it.
That's all.
That is fair.

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I was and we'll just have to get into it.
OK, so what?
Like and so it's the subtleties of this movie that I thought was the brilliances.
And here is the first real hint of it.
Todd is so disciplined.
And even when he's passed by Kane played by Jason Scott Lee.

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Todd doesn't he doesn't get an ego.
He doesn't try to start getting faster.
He doesn't try to compete like that.
He knows he is currently at his maximum physical limit and he just sticks with it.
He understands himself.
He does what he is supposed to do and he and there was no sign of any ego in this.
There was no competition.
He just was in my eyes.

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That was a just little sign of true brilliance to remove the ego from Todd.
OK, he's still he's he's just performing as he has been his whole life doing what he
can.
He has been at maximum capacity his whole life.
There is nothing beyond.
So I thought I really enjoyed that moment.

(01:50:54):
That dude, the chain fight.
The chain fight was a unique thing in my eyes that really showcased how well it did exactly
what it was meant to.
It was meant to showcase exactly how good Kane was to showcase the capabilities of the
other ones.

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And they were good.
None of them were as good as Kane.
And that was I thought that scene was done very well.
Ending it with a bite versus a scratch.
All right.
I mean, you're just showing that you like there is no rules or anything like that.
You are just being savage and vicious.

(01:51:36):
So right.
Like I liked it.
But when you actually see it done, it just doesn't play as well as you want it to.
But the story behind that, because I liked what Jason Isaac said to him afterwards, because
he comes down, he has one eye.
He's like, you're ruined.
And I was like, dude, and he's like, you have no depth perception.

(01:51:57):
You can't like it's like, never mind.
He actually has a point.
He's a dick about it.
But he has a point.
Like everything that went into training him.
And because this dude came equipped with an ego, that was his downfall.
That ego was his downfall.
And that is basically the point of the movie with the standoffs between the old soldiers

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and the new soldiers is the old soldiers came with wisdom.
The new soldiers come with ego.
And that's what makes the that's basically what makes a difference at the end of the
movie.
This basically Chekhov's line.
Your men are obsolete.
Right.

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And that came back later in the movie.
Letting Kurt Russell say so few lines in this was great because everything he said at home.
That was something I enjoyed.
We've talked a little bit on this channel about what we think the future is going to
be like.
A waste disposal planet is probably one of the most realistic things that we have covered

(01:53:07):
on this channel.
See, you know, I'm going to have to disagree.
That is that is because for it.
Well, first of all, like that's all most of the most of the waste that maybe, you know,
on this on this planet is metal.
None of that should be waste.
That's all reasonable for starters.

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I don't think that's true.
I think most of it is plastic.
It seemed like it was.
I mean, there were airplanes and like, you know.
Oh, oh, I thought you had like our planet.
Not like the planet we're discussing in the movie.
No, no, no, no, no.
In the movie, it's almost all metal.
But but no, as far as like.

(01:53:49):
Yeah, no, I because here's the thing.
Unless like space travel becomes cheaper than gasoline.
And then there's really no point in trying to have a waste disposal planet because it
would completely disagree.

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Like if you have transports going between here and say Mars and you decide to use one
of the asteroids in between here and Mars as a disposal system, then as the spaceship
is going from here to there, as it's passing, it can just dump as it's passing everything
that is collected from the people, what it collected on Earth and that and what it gets

(01:54:32):
from Mars and just dropping it off on an asteroid in the middle.
And like some of that or a barren moon or like not like Europa that has water on it,
but literally something that literally is just a hunk of space booty with some gravity
that will hold it.
Yeah, I don't think so.

(01:54:52):
It's.
I mean, I know I know it's like what we're talking about here has to do with a lot with
like, you know, corporations who don't forward think this kind of stuff.
But generally speaking, it is just a really, really bad idea to remove mass from a planet
because eventually you will run out of planet.

(01:55:13):
But you know.
That level of forward thinking.
I know it's not it's not something that we're known for lately, you know, but but now I
guess the thing is like, I just don't like I'd say like by the time that space travel

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becomes that.
That prolific that that accessible.
Yeah, I don't I don't know.
I mean, I know it's a it's a common theme.
A garbage planet is a pretty common theme in a lot of sci fi.
And it's definitely, you know, a social commentary on our own, you know, bad habits when it comes

(01:55:58):
to dumping grounds and stuff like that on the planet.
But yeah, no, I don't I don't see it happening.
I think it will.
I think like once we figure out a way to just like very affordably just launch it to the
sun, I think that's when it's going to wind up happening with just a bunch of our bunch
of our trash and stuff like that, things that can't be broken down, all this stuff.

(01:56:21):
Like I think they'll just try to ditch it off the planet.
There is there.
I'm sure there's going to be some attempts for sure.
I don't I don't see it sticking.
I really don't.
I mean, I mean, I could be wrong.
So realistically, what it would be is if we decided like we may never decide to do that
as a society, but you know, God damn well and plenty that there will be teams of corporations,

(01:56:45):
raiders.
Like when we go to space, we will have space pirates.
This is not like the fact that like we can't control what happens here on the planet.
That we actually have the capability of surveilling.
There's no fucking way that what we're talking about is not going to happen.
They're going to they're going to dump messed up ships, everything like that.

(01:57:08):
They'll turn it into a trash planet and they'll probably have that trash planet be a mechanics
planet.
I mean, I could see that.
Yeah, like more like a junkyard planet.
That totally makes sense.
I could see that.
Yeah, I absolutely see that being a thing where people want to keep Earth clean and
instead of actually putting the work into doing it and be like, we're passing SB 49

(01:57:33):
X for six.
Right.
Whatever.
Yeah.
And I suppose it depends on a few things that they're there.
Like I know I know ultimately they are planning.
You know, I don't know how far they're going to get it because, you know, things are in
motion, people are waking up and you know, things are changing.

(01:57:55):
But I know that there to a certain degree, there is a plan to gentrify planet Earth and
all us poor people are going to live on Mars.
I know that that's the plan.
OK.
Well, you you don't think send me to Mount Olympus.
I don't care.
I know it's not called Mount Olympus, but they knew what they were doing.

(01:58:19):
No, but so in which case, yeah, it's like, yeah, the you know, there probably is a plan
that yes, you know, all of the garbage will be dumped on Mars, including the labor force,
you know, will all be mining and living in shanties made of made of garbage.
And then only the absolute wealthy will be able to live on the planet that human beings

(01:58:42):
evolved to survive perfectly.
And I know that that is the plan they're trying to do.
It's so hard, they desperately want to.
I would say we should write that story, but I feel like 40 people already have.
Yeah, yeah, I feel like it has to.
Yeah.
But yeah, I don't I don't know.

(01:59:05):
It's just kind of one of those things are sit there and go like, hey, it just doesn't
sit right.
Like, I don't I don't see that as that being that.
And neither of us are going to be alive to see it.
So I mean, no, I guess that's true.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's no we can't even place a bet on this one.
Yeah, I know.
I know you want to be.

(01:59:25):
I know you want to be one of those weird ones who lives to be over a thousand.
Yeah, I'm I don't understand why anyone wouldn't.
Because things are going to be fucking weird 500 years from now and I'd like to see it.
Oh, well, I mean, sure.
But.
I would like to be somebody born then.

(01:59:46):
I would not like to be somebody who was born now or, you know, see if if I if I wasn't
an atheist and I believed in reincarnation, then maybe I'd settle for that.
Sure.
But yeah, it's not so much that I like I believe in reincarnation or anything.
I mean, I don't know.
Like, I really just I'm just here.

(02:00:09):
I'm living.
But it's kind of like when people ask, like, what do you think the point like the purpose
to life is or the secret to life or all that?
I feel like I know it for me.
Sure.
The purpose to the purpose of life is to live life.
That is the whole fucking point.

(02:00:29):
If you remove the end point, then I don't see the point in living.
I disagree.
Like it's basically the whole premise of why do like why do humans view the world as beautiful
and all this?
But gods can't see the beauty in anything anymore.

(02:00:50):
It's because they literally cannot see it anymore.
They have become used to it.
And unless it's the most beautiful thing that has ever existed in the universe, they're
not really fazed by it anymore because they've seen everything.
No part of me.
No part of me at all would ever want to live a life like that.
I want to continuously be excited by beautiful things that that excite me.

(02:01:15):
And I'm right there with you, except that you would have to assume for that for that
strain of thinking to to to line up, you have to assume that gods don't find anything beautiful.
And the fact is, we don't know that because as of right now, all of the gods that we have
created are fictional characters that we have created to be a pain in our ass.

(02:01:39):
And so we've made them unhappy.
We've made that way depends on the religion, man.
That's true.
Yeah.
But that's the thing is like if there is such a thing as a god out there in the universe,
we don't know what it finds beautiful.
Like that's kind of my point.
Like I'm willing to you might say I'm even agnostic, more agnostic than atheist, because

(02:01:59):
I'm willing to say like, OK, sure.
Yeah, there could be an afterlife.
There could be reincarnation.
There could be gods out there.
But here's the thing.
When it comes to gambling, I've got a bad history with that.
I tend to lose.
And so I'm just going to assume that none of that is true and live accordingly, because
if I bet on an afterlife, I'm probably not going to get one because I don't do well with

(02:02:22):
gambling.
That is an interesting philosophy.
Only afterlife that does exist may cease to exist as soon as I believe in it, because
that's how fucking unlucky I tend to be.
That's like when you're in a when you're in the slow lane on the freeway and then you
go into the other lane and then that lane immediately slows down because you're in it.

(02:02:43):
It's like, sorry, guys.
Exactly.
Exactly.
I'm doing you a favor by being an atheist.
All right.
So on this waste disposal planet, Todd finds a guiding post and gets trapped in a quick
dust storm, which, again, just setting up some things for later on.

(02:03:05):
Passing through the graveyard, the style of that graveyard, very uneasy on me.
I understood it.
I appreciated it.
But because of where the location was and the guiding rope went right between it, no
matter what, when you went out into the world, you had to pass the dead.
And I thought that was an incredible inclusion story that they never explained.

(02:03:28):
They never alluded to.
It was just shot.
And that is that is the aspect of trusting your audience that I really think that is
a like trusting your audience is a big part of this movie.
There is an ass ton of conversations that happen with no words, just shared expressions.

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And that is what I really, really enjoyed about it, because that is a challenge not
everybody can pull off.
Kurt Russell did it with so much power behind his eyes constantly.
I was just every time I was looking at him, I was just completely engrossed in the performance

(02:04:11):
that he was giving behind those eyes.
OK.
And I this is I use the word singular quite often because I like it so much.
But I can't think of another performance of Kurt Russell's where he played this character
because he's so good at being funny.

(02:04:33):
Like can you think of another example where he played a character as similar to this one?
Oh, well, I'm on the spot, I'm forgetting every Kurt Russell movie I've ever seen.
Like Snake Plissken?
No.
No.

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Not like in my eyes, I think that's oh, oh, oh, oh, Stargate.
Shit.
You have a very good point there that like Stargate, like at the beginning of Stargate,
he is basically this.
Yes, he's this character, but with dialogue in a future like that.

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But that but that's the thing.
Stargate, the most powerfully acted moment of this movie or of Stargate is when he is
acting like this.
He doesn't say a word.
He's just sitting on his child's bed.
Like that.
That is the best acted scene in that movie from Kurt Russell.
We know we.
Yeah.

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We know we know we know Jack O'Neill's entire history in just a matter of seconds with no
dialogue.
Just just Kurt Russell in that moment.
Yeah, no, I agree.
That's some powerful, powerful shit.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He finds the people and then he gets knocked by the wind and passes out.

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Brenda Whale as Hawkins is running the show as fear spreads across this small junkyard
town.
Todd is in the care of Connie Nielsen, which most people are going to know her, I think,
from Gladiator as Lucilla.
Most Zelenials.

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Probably as Queen Hypolita in Wonder Woman.
OK, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
Like she like, yeah, she played Wonder Woman's mom and.
And it just refuses to not kill it.
Yeah, no, that's true.
Yeah, Connie Nielsen.
I mean, I mean, we're definitely going to cover Gladiator at some point.

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And I'm just very excited to see because I didn't realize that this was the same actor.
Oh, OK.
So that's why it was very fun for me.
She is married to Sean Pertwee from Equilibrium, Event Horizon and probably for a lot of the
Zelenials, Gotham.
He played Gordon, right?

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Alfred.
Alfred.
Alfred, thank you.
Thank you.
Excuse me.
Not not Gordon.
He played Alfred.
And if you want to go deep, deep, deep, nerd, his father is the sixth doctor from Doctor
Who.
I knew you were going to bring up the doctor.
I didn't have to write it down.

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I saw that and I was like, OK, yeah, no, Doc's going to know that one.
Yeah, yeah.
Six or seven.
I can't remember exactly which one I'm I'm I'm off top of my head.
I'm missing and where exactly the he falls in there.
But yeah, you are the doctor who guy on the channel.
So if you don't know it, it's not going to be known.

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She finds his tattoo and Pertwee realizes he's a soldier because he knows that the Argentine
moons was a battle and which talking about the Trinity moons and the Argentine moons,
all this.
This is supposed to be taking place like in like five years.
Come on, man, let's get to work here.

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There is there is there is nothing more more heartening than the than the space travel
ambitions of the past.
Let me tell you, you know, my my personal favorite, I remember I remember when I was
a kid watching the reruns of the original Lost in Space TV show that was replaying.
Yeah.

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And I remember like and so it's like they're kind of on rotation, you know, they go through
all the way to the end and then they, you know, the next day they start the very first
episode again.
And so the first time I after watching the show for a couple of years, I finally see
the very first episode for the first time.
And they the very first episode lets you know this takes place.

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Lost in Space, the original Lost in Space takes place in the far futuristic year of
1980.
Oh, my God.
Oh, they had.
We had such high hopes, man.
We really we really thought we were going to kill it.

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We really did.
We landed on the moon and we went, all right, we're good.
Yeah, exactly.
We got this.
We got this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, God, how that is so disheartening.
So Todd wakes and he scares everyone and he gets gifted a cane.

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And I'm going to say the way that pert we walks to him with the cane.
It's like he was asking for shit right there.
Yeah, that was that was oh, my God, you want to get killed, bro?
Come on.
Nobody could see the fact that I'm not.
Had to lean down with that cane.
I was like, again, you're leaning down and you're giving that to a dude a foot taller

(02:09:56):
than you.
What is happening right?
Right.
Yeah, I know that that whole like first he comes at like I don't even have PTSD.
And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, put it down.
No, that was and but then but then yeah, and then he goes to show him how it works.
And it's like, dude, you gave him a crutch for Tiny Tim.
What are you doing?
Yeah, that was kind of one of those things.

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I was like, I was just laughing.
I was like, OK, miss the mark.
Dumb, but maybe intentional.
I don't know.
But to me, it was just like, OK, it's it's it's character building.
We're seeing here that Pertwee's character is a dumbass.
Is that what you're saying?
More kind of like like lovable, but not quite all there, like a little bit goofy.

(02:10:38):
Like he's given his son raspberries and like is completely shocked to shit that just from
that wild noise and all the laughter, a guy wakes up from six feet away.
Like he's clearly not the smartest peanut in the turd.
Right.
Like so like that kind of showed me as that.
But he definitely was an a character with high integrity, solid morality and sure, very

(02:11:03):
much enjoyed his character.
Everybody freaking out about how did he get here and all this.
And I did appreciate that people were telling like, man, sit down.
You let the man eat.
And then he's like, we're all curious.
And they're like, like even the one who was like defending Todd against like and trying
to get people to let him eat.

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Right.
You could see it all over his face.
He did not want he wanted to be the one who was fighting to give the man peace.
But even he was curious.
And the look, the literal physical acting of this and just what was on people's faces
in this makes this such a beloved movie in my eyes.

(02:11:46):
Like the amount like the amount of challenge that is hit for that.
There's a reason every fucking actor in this movie is a top tier performer.
None of them.
That's true.
The side characters are like they all went places.
All of them.
It takes so much more effort to cast a feeling than it is to say something.

(02:12:13):
Yeah.
And I got high praise for everybody who pulled that off in this.
Him saying I was replaced.
And then just all that like that just turned my gut every time he every time he had anything
to say.
It broke my heart.

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And I did appreciate that.
Yeah.
There was that scene where he's just staring at Connie Nielsen's chest and all that.
And she like looks at him and he's just like staring like he's trying.
He literally has no self.
His discipline has never been in that vein.

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Right.
Yeah.
Like he was basically a 13 year old in that situation.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They didn't really go into detail over that.
But if you realized it, it was incredibly hilarious.
At least it was for me.
Anything that.
Nope.
No.
I know this one.

(02:13:16):
I don't.
This one wasn't one for this thing.
Yes.
Yeah.
I disagree with anything you're saying.
I just in the moment where I was watching this movie, none of it struck a chord with
me.
I was just wholly unimpressed from beginning to end.
And I cannot explain why.

(02:13:38):
Everything you're saying right now is true.
I haven't I have nothing.
I have nothing wrong with what you're having to say with it.
It just didn't hit me in any of the ways that you're talking about it hitting you.
I don't know how to explain that.
Well, we've talked about that a few times on the show.
I mean, we are we come with two wildly different perspectives.

(02:13:58):
So sometimes the things that hit me just are going to completely miss you and it's going
to go the exact same and the reverse.
So when you find one that we both agree on, chances are that's a good movie.
No, it's true.
Yeah, I would.
I would say so.
But fair enough.
And that line where she says, you know, who would have who would want to fight for a godforsaken

(02:14:20):
place like this?
Cut right to you see an Isaac's and the perspective and just talking about doing a security sweep
and going through that to get the new guy some experience.
And yeah, the perspective on Busey and Isaac's dynamic in my eyes was very well crafted because

(02:14:43):
Busey is the necessary evil.
Isaac's was the just flat out evil.
Like that was the thing.
When you like when you have when you have a war, you want warriors, you need warriors.
That is just think you if you are the side who is just all peaceful and everything like

(02:15:06):
that, then the side who isn't peaceful is just going to mow you down and you're going
to lose.
Like, yeah, the reason that warriors exist is so peaceful people can stand behind them
and live a peaceful life.
Like, sure.
Yeah, that is the whole point.
Gary Busey's character was the necessary evil to protect the civilians from dangers and

(02:15:26):
all of that shown throughout the film.
Isaac's just there to prove that his soldiers were superior, just pure ego and evil.
And I thought that their dynamic was very well crafted because you didn't have a super
good guy.
It wasn't like a liberal versus a conservative.
It wasn't like hardcore ideologies.

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It was the same ideologies going over how to execute towards those ideologies.
And that was a con and that kind of conflict is a way much more and one to me.
And they do and they do keep it very kind of middle of the road.
I noticed that like at like even though like when we're when we're seeing the the montage

(02:16:09):
of his military experience, it does like appear that whoever it is he's fighting against,
they are wildly outclassed because they're just getting mowed down by him and his buddies.
There they are.
They are the wildly superior soldiers.
So it does kind of imply that there is a conquering going on, especially like I said, we get the
foreshadowing of year zero.

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We get the shadowing of year zero.
So I do what what what these yeah.
Well, and maybe maybe it's putting down a revolution.
Maybe it's it's a conquering.
My bite back on that is if you have Navy SEALs go through and, you know, wipe out a bunch
of people who are training to come and attack somebody.

(02:16:55):
Right.
I'm not going to feel too bad for them.
Like that's the thing.
Right.
Yeah.
And then you've got the people who are out there trying to do some intense damage.
They just kill before they get the chance to.
And that's well, like I said, it's kind of it's kind of kept a little ambiguous.
You know, and it was very ambiguous.
Like I have really no idea who is right between the two of us here.

(02:17:18):
Right.
And the the first like sign of sides of any kind of right and wrong sides we get is later
on when he has that flashback of the the one like the one civilian he saved.
Yeah.
You know, where, you know, it was one of the enemy soldiers that came out of nowhere and
started mowing down civilians.

(02:17:38):
And he took that guy out.
That's the first clue that we've gotten of any kind that there is any sort of righteousness
to what he's been doing up to this point.
And even then, it's a it's a tiny one because that because that is bumped right up against
like what we described before, that he was trained to shoot through civilians anyway,
you know, which we do see him do in action during that early montage.

(02:17:59):
Like there is there is a wild amount of ambiguousness going on.
Same thing with when we are talking about our our our evil.
Oh, good.
Our our our evil dude.
Like, you know, if if we if they wanted to paint this as a fully fascist regime, then
why would he tell the guy, you know, when you dump them off, make sure you mark this

(02:18:20):
down as an accident or something like that.
Why would they need to cover it up?
So there is some sort of over oversight and accountability in place here that he's just
not following in order to prove his point.
So it's like there is not good.
No, I would just I would just put I just put in a cap on it that it's like there is no
like, yeah, these are these are, you know, this kind of army or this kind of government.

(02:18:45):
It's just we're kind of given this sort of like this is a military and these are the
military people.
And this is just kind of like where it goes from there.
Where I was thinking that this is not the military.
This is a specialized operation.
That's where I got where I was thinking that this was going.
This was a specialized strike force that this is not how the totality of the military is

(02:19:07):
put together.
This is a specialized group that has been focused on and they go to do the harshest
of battles.
OK, that was how I kind of saw these guys were the IMF is what you're saying.
Yes.
OK.
Like these like these guys were the top tier of the top tier from birth straight, like

(02:19:28):
all the way through everything like that.
They were like made to be this way.
Because well.
Effective and OK, that's the thing.
Like in peacetime, you don't really want to talk about how you need effective soldiers
and what kind of people those effective soldiers are.

(02:19:52):
They're not the people you want have coming over for dinner and drinks.
They just aren't.
Most of them are not the kind of people that you want in society.
However, when shit hits the fan, those are the ones you go looking for.
Yeah, because the ones that keep you alive.
So that's where I like.

(02:20:13):
I like a world where people can bitch about warriors.
But I'm still going to I'm still going to appreciate the fact that they exist.
OK, yeah, sure.
And and I've and I've said before about how, you know, it is the you know, it's the it's
the takes all kinds, you know, the all different kinds of people.

(02:20:34):
I've gone on this rant before.
Like if we if all of if all of humanity were just one kind of person, you know, good or
bad, you know, peaceful or or warrior.
It's like we we wouldn't be the the the titans of planet Earth that we are today.
Part of one of our greatest thing.
I don't think life would even be worth living if we were so homogenous.

(02:20:57):
That's the thing is like we you know, we are our one evolutionary trait that has made us
the kings of planet Earth is the fact that we are so wildly different from each other
in every single way is that it doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter what crazy job you need done.

(02:21:18):
Somewhere is a person who will enjoy doing it.
So and that is a bad end.
That's yeah.
Teaching Todd to garden and the dangers of Chekhov's snake.
I did appreciate this scene.
It was nice.
I I just I know you didn't really like Connie Nielsen's scenes, but.

(02:21:43):
Every scene that Todd had with him with her, I felt his epic struggle that he was going
through because he cannot show emotion.
He does understand the relationship between Nielsen and Pertwee.
He does.
Right.
But he has never had a poll like this and he is fighting like I felt his internal integrity

(02:22:03):
and a morality battle that was going on every time he saw her.
Like I felt like just pages of dialogue in his eyes and her eyes that were shared between
them.
That was just.
It was a story within a story that I could not get enough of and I could have just watched
more like I could have watched so much more screen time of that.

(02:22:26):
But OK, different movie out salvaging with a cheery Michael Chickless.
It is weird for me to see Michael Chickless happy.
He is seen the.
He is a.
Yeah, no, he's America's grumpy uncle.
No, I understand.
Yeah.

(02:22:46):
Yeah.
So like and he has such a charming and warm and joyous personality when he is happy.
It's I didn't recognize him at first.
It took a while for me to recognize him because, yeah, you don't recognize him when he's smiling.
No, you don't.
Like he is he is that good.
I really enjoyed it.
And then that moment where he's got to like, you know, save Chickless and just how you

(02:23:10):
like you get like 10 people all trying to pull us away and then you just see Kurt Russell
just worry, guys, I got it.
Just super strong.
Great scene.
They're all happy until Todd has a gun.
Yeah.
Then they're all just drop dead terrified.
Yeah.
And there's something about Kurt Russell's performance in this very clearly, Kurt Russell,

(02:23:37):
but he looks different.
He actually he actually does look like a different person in my eyes in this movie.
OK, something about it, the performance that he gave like he in my eyes, he actually does
transform in this movie.
OK, but that is.

(02:23:57):
Montage of time learning Todd learning about love from Neil Nielsen and Pertwee.
It does set up a solid conflict that we've talked about Nielsen digging in on his feelings
and then finding out that the literal only things that he feels is fear and discipline
all the time.
Yeah, that is all he feels.

(02:24:18):
Fear and discipline.
And it makes all the sense to that character.
She goes to hug him and he starts violently shaking because.
And this is a thing about like that people who have been through very, very deep trauma,

(02:24:38):
like that is a thing when you like some people.
This is this is not across the board for everybody.
Obviously, everybody shows signs of trauma in different ways.
Approaching happiness.
Straight up seizures.
Straight up.

(02:24:58):
When.
Yeah.
When I was like one of the hardest points of my life and all that and I was starting
to come out of it.
I was happy and when I would wake up in the morning, I was shaking so much that it basically
gave the bed magic fingers.

(02:25:19):
I like I would get in and I would do performances on stage.
And if I was doing good on stage and I was like happy about it, if I let myself feel
happy at all, it punished me in ways that I can't even explain, man.
Like if I if I did something that hurt me, I was OK.
It's like, OK, this is like pain.

(02:25:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so all the things that I have to do to earn my way to getting something.
I can do all of that, no problem.
Once it comes time for the reward, I am completely trashed.
I do not know.
I do not know how to accept the benefits of my work.
That is something that is that is something I really need to work on right now.

(02:26:04):
Wow.
Yeah.
But that OK, that is something.
So when I was watching him try to accept that and see him shaking fiercely and how much
he was battling like everything.
Oh, my God, that scene.
The what it like like it was.

(02:26:24):
That was a perfect scene.
It was not explained.
It was meant for select people and right.
I believe everybody who saw it did at least understand it.
But how much oh, yeah, he was having.
Not everybody would understand that.
And it was really powerful.
Like I it very much was.

(02:26:50):
The Christmas party brings about a series of flashbacks.
And I'm sorry.
Yeah, no.
OK, we even if I wasn't a veteran, you know, if you got a veteran phased out in the middle
of a party, you don't blast yourself right in front of his face.
I don't even do that to non veterans.

(02:27:13):
True.
But yeah, that was that was kind of one of those things.
And then we get our very first Batman moment where like they're looking at walks in front
and he's just all of a sudden up on the roof.
Right.
Yeah, I like that.
When checklist tries to give him that scarf and the children are just captivated by his

(02:27:36):
intense training and we see more flashbacks.
I do I do want to I was impressed by the kids because who knows how many takes that they
did for this shot.
But when the the mayor of the city walks up behind the kids and catches them all staring
at at Russell and just goes children and they all jump and are like, oh, shit, we're caught.

(02:28:02):
And she's like, you should be in class.
And they all run off.
I was impressed at how every single one of them genuinely pulled off the oh, fuck, we've
been caught, you know, kind of kind of jump like.
Good job with the.
Yeah, I'll give you that.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Almost killing Michael Chiklis under that gear.

(02:28:23):
And yeah, yeah, people are scared of him.
Yep.
I really enjoyed the fact that we admit like so easily that Todd could break him and how
afraid of he afraid of him.
He is the fact that he wasn't trying to like be tough with his lady or anything like that,
but he was actually being honest that level of vulnerability.
I really enjoyed the dynamic between we and Nielsen and this.

(02:28:45):
Yeah.
Well, and it's interesting.
It's like you mentioned before about the thing with Russell's character, them displaying
no him displaying no ego like he knows exactly what he's capable of.
He knows he's doing his best.
He doesn't get an ego when he gets passed by the other guy.
And I think that was the the other side of the coin.

(02:29:06):
Pertwee is basically same thing.
This is a guy with zero ego.
He just happens to be the passive version of zero ego.
Yeah, he he's he knows where he's at.
He's he's on a planet.
He's on a garbage planet raising a family.
He's in love.
He's got a kid.
He's got nothing to prove to anybody.

(02:29:27):
There's there's no there's no one for him to prove to, you know, and that's and I think
that's kind of what's going on there is the yeah, he's he also like like Russell has no
ego and so yeah, he's just straight up honest about every part of this.
And I think that also helps to, you know, later on when with the realization comes that
they made a mistake, there's no delay there.

(02:29:49):
There's no conflict.
He's just like, oh, we fucked up.
Better go fix it now.
And he's out the door, you know.
Yeah.
Uh.
Wakes up to teach the kid to kill that snake.
It was a good scene.
It was a yeah.
It was nice.
He said he rescued the kid, everything like that.

(02:30:10):
Like I completely was on Todd's side throughout the entire scene.
But then, yeah, it was come up and you do understand the parent side as well.
Right.
Yeah.
And it was and it was interesting that a kind of.
Not something you see in a lot of movies where when you have those like tough love moments
like that, where you have the sort of like the neither the tough parent or, you know,

(02:30:38):
in this case, the drifter, you know, trying to get trying to teach the kid, you know,
the the the hard lesson kind of thing.
Usually it is usually they leave out the part that where the teacher makes it clear to the
kid, you're actually safe.
You are safe to do this by having the snake jump on him and he catches it.

(02:30:59):
You know, shows the kid, you hold him like this, he's fucking harmless and then throws
him back on the ground and goes, OK, now you go like he's basically showing the kid you
have nothing to be afraid of.
I've got your back, but you need to be the one to kill it.
We see scenes like this in movies all the time.
They usually don't have that part.
They usually just have the part of the tough love person going like, no, you have to do

(02:31:23):
this.
Stop crying.
You know that.
And that did not happen here.
There was a there was a genuine and and true heartfelt attempt at helping this kid get
over his fear, you know, and yeah, I thought that was two characters who one character
who cannot talk and one character who does not talk those two together.

(02:31:44):
Like everything, every single moment that they shared together was wildly powerful.
Yeah, like per we completely misunderstands the moment and Todd getting banished.
The slight hint of the mist of the tear like forming in his eye was crushing me, man.

(02:32:09):
That really was just seeing the hint of it like this.
It felt like Todd was feeling those emotions for the first time, but he did not even know
how to let them out.
And the very next scene, that tear falling down and he catches it and he's confused by
it's coming out of his eye.
Like that scene.

(02:32:31):
Oh, man, like it like my heart was turning.
My stomach was upside down.
I felt for the character and the movie got exactly what it wanted from me in that moment.
OK, absolutely.
Right, and the Space Force is on its way.

(02:32:51):
Interestingly enough, last week I met my very first member of the very first member of Space
Force that I've met yet.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Was he wearing camo?
He was.
Which if he's going to space, he should probably just be wearing a black suit.
Right.
I was going to say that that was when they when they unveiled the the uniforms.

(02:33:16):
And that's the first thing I saw.
I was like, why?
Why are the Space Force uniforms green camo?
Why?
Why in God's name?
Whatever man, just whatever.
I'll tell you why.
I'll tell you why it is, is because the government's been lying to us.
Stargates are real and we are invading the Jaffa home world.

(02:33:37):
That's why.
You got me off.
But now Pertwee sees the value in what Todd was showing the boy when the boy comes in
and saves them from a snake that was crawling in their bed.
I love that.
He says like, we voted wrong, seeing the error of his ways and going off to find him.

(02:34:06):
I loved the fact that they didn't give a chance for Todd to react to the apology.
I thought I thought that was clever.
I liked that they actually gave gave Pertwee the chance to apologize before they killed
him.
Yeah, they're like, again, what another thing we see this happen in all kinds of movies

(02:34:27):
and in nine times out of ten, Pertwee's character would have been killed on the way to giving
the apology and that would have been like, you know, a later on conflict where where
even though they meant to undo their mistake, they get a chance to in time.
And now, sure, he's still going to save the day, but he's going to be a dick about it
because you guys are none, you know, none of you all apologize yet.

(02:34:48):
And they're like, well, we meant to.
It's just the invasion was coming, you know, and but they didn't do that in this one.
This one got that he shows the athletic.
I was going for Kermit the Frog, but OK.
I know.
And last time you tried to do Affleck, you did Kermit.

(02:35:11):
It never occurred to me before how similar they sound.
It's going to it's going to fuck with me now.
I bet he's heard that plenty of times.
But yeah, I know.
I appreciated that they had their amends moment.
They didn't the the the amends didn't get drawn out.
They had it just in time for the big conflict then then come.

(02:35:33):
And and yeah, I.
That smoothed things over for me.
It made it feel less unnecessary to me by by having by having them make their amends
before it was too late.
OK, yeah, like I mean, obviously, I liked it there.

(02:35:54):
Like I said, I can't really pick out a part of this that I hated or even disliked.
I really.
I mean, yeah, the graphics, the graphics, I didn't like the graphics, but outside of
that, the actual story, it never lost me.
Not a single piece of it.
And see, like I said, there was nothing about it.

(02:36:15):
I hated either.
I just you just didn't love it.
Yeah, no, that's that.
Yeah, that's just how it goes, man.
Yeah.
That moment when we asked him after he's been shot, every like that, every when he's about
to die, he asked, was it a mistake?
And just the hesitation and then the head shake.

(02:36:37):
No, I felt that.
And just how much that was dropping him and how much we was just terrified for his wife
and child.
It was just all right, Todd, soldier up, go kill them all.
And that's exactly what happens.
And that we get a slight, slight genre shift there where we go from this sort of like,

(02:37:05):
you know, a fish out of water story.
And now it's now we become a horror movie where our main character is the predator.
And it's just and he just take it.
I thought it was funny, too, because like I know I'm jumping ahead here where he literally
were, you know, after the first attack and he's gearing up and they're like, we don't

(02:37:27):
even know how many of them there are.
And he's 17.
There's 17 of them.
And what I caught myself doing after that is because he says right out in the because
he says right in the get go, there's 17 of them.
From that point on, every time I see someone die on screen, I'm like 16 left, 15 left,
14, 10 left.

(02:37:47):
Whoa, that was a good one.
But did they get the numbers right?
I don't remember.
I lost count when when he when he blew up the when he blew up the the dummy, the decoy
that is machine gun is fair.
Because you lose track of who actually died in that explosion.

(02:38:09):
So I'm going to do this kind of like we did airplane.
OK, for for like the description over this action sequence, I'm just going to run on
for a little bit and then we'll just talk about it a little bit behind.
OK, OK.
The first conflict, Brenda Wales conversation does not go well.

(02:38:30):
I thought it was like it was definitely over the top.
But at the same time, I liked it.
I'm not not liked it.
But her getting blasted by a bazooka and then shot across and like that, it felt like a
comical way to start this conflict and little it was a little comical.
Yeah.
Well, and and and I think it was about to get dark.

(02:38:52):
So I appreciate it.
Right.
It was kind of a one to punch to have both Pertwee and her just off to like that.
You know, that was unexpected.
And again, kind of that it was I think I think it added to the stakes of it, of just going
like, you know, we're not just going to be blowing up extras here.

(02:39:12):
We've got important named characters biting the dust right away.
You know, so yeah, the three man fire team engaged using the old guard for cleanup and
having only soldiers get weapons, Riley.
And then he salutes you like you don't even have to salute anymore.
I heard it every military official outside of Busey in this movie.

(02:39:37):
All of them.
I Busey was the only one that I liked and I was not used to that.
Like that was crazy.
And I really enjoyed that Batman moment.
Number two, jumping down from the ceiling to save them.
And that Irish dude like when you come in with like his American accent, do you need

(02:39:59):
any help, partner?
The only thing that I recognize that was known.
You need me help.
What?
Oh, no, no, no.
OK, right.
I for some reason, I thought that was that was Mackie again.
Oh, but no, no, no, that was no, that was that dude.
I can't think of his name right now.

(02:40:19):
But the only thing that I personally can remember him from is Austin Powers, the international
man of mystery.
OK.
Who was he in that?
He's the Lucky Charms assassin that tried to kill Austin Powers on the toilet.
Right, right, right, right.
OK.
When I realized that I could not take that character seriously one damn bit.

(02:40:43):
As soon as I realized, I was like, oh, they're always had lucky charms.
Right.
Yeah.
Why?
Why is everyone always laugh when I say that?
Yeah.
And then Tom Arnold is his boy.
What the hell did you eat?
I just like I couldn't I couldn't take his character seriously after that.
That that movie that movie had no right to be that good.

(02:41:04):
Oh, my God.
But it is that good.
It is so fun.
Running from the baddies into a bazooka.
That was great.
Oh, I like this bazooka beats flamethrower and propeller beats Gatling gun.
All right.
And in this moment, when he jumps on the radio and he growls, then the other dude, oh, he

(02:41:30):
didn't say growled.
He made a mention.
I said to imitate the noise and it sounded like a growl.
That was so funny to me that I can't even tell you why.
OK.
Like, well, no, actually, I can tell you what.
When you have somebody coming through a radio and like giving you information and you got

(02:41:50):
to pass it on to somebody else, but what the person gave you was not clear shit.
And then you're like, I have to take that garbled mess of what you just said and pass
it over to a colonel.
Fuck you.
I'm going to take all the heat for this shit.
Like, no.
So OK, that is why that was so much so funny to me, because that was wildly relatable.

(02:42:14):
OK.
U.C. does have the smart tactic here where you pull everybody out and you just do a bombardment
and you take it out.
Essentially, it's what we do now with caves in Afghanistan and drone strikes.
OK, yeah.
We're going to just skip past all the collateral tragedy.

(02:42:35):
Yeah.
The whole scene about soldiers deserve soldiers, sir.
That line.
That line got me.
That line got me in a very solid way because it's like, you're right.
You're right.
So like you are going up, you are going to do something.
And basically you're saying that you're not going to dishonor the death of these soldiers,

(02:42:57):
but you're going to give them a proper death that they deserve.
And I like that.
I did.
I did like that.
And I also appreciated the fact that he felt it was his responsibility to do that because
his failure at the beginning of the movie is what led to them being there.
So I appreciated that he took that all on himself and that he felt that level of responsibility

(02:43:23):
and that he carried the understanding that anybody who tried to help him was probably
going to die anyway.
So everything about that, everything about it lined up for me.
Todd is on the guerrilla warfare.
That graveyard scene, I don't remember if they had an image of that snake pit earlier

(02:43:44):
in the movie, but it was a fun inclusion at that point.
Yeah.
They let us know that there were snakes on this planet.
They were poisonous.
They were bad and they are apparently fucking everywhere because they keep getting into
everybody's bedroom.
And so, yeah, it was kind of like a realization all at once of, oh, he found a bunch of the
snakes and he put them all in one place just for these guys somehow.

(02:44:06):
Oh, no, I didn't think that.
No, I thought that whenever they found a snake, if they didn't kill it, they toss it into
that pit and it was low enough that they wouldn't be able to crawl out.
That's what I thought.
I thought it was like a snake disposal pit.
Well, yes.
Yeah.
But it wasn't explained.
Yeah, it wasn't explained.
I assumed that he had made it somehow probably even over time.

(02:44:29):
He was the one collecting the snakes and throwing them in the pit.
And he was only there for about a month.
Yeah, they said those ships come back every 20 to 30 days and he like it was about 20
to 30 days and they came.
OK, yeah, they came.
So it was the very.
The Space Force came with the dumping vessels like right after.

(02:44:50):
That's right.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I guess it was just a convenient place where the snakes were for some reason.
Like I said, I always need to know.
Yeah.
All we need to know is that there are snakes on this planet and they suck.
So getting caught with a bunch of them, you're fucked.
Talking about him being the predator when he was hiding in the dark and came out just
to stab him in the eye and then go back into the dark.

(02:45:10):
Loved it.
Yep.
Luring them to that bomb.
Loved it.
Going into the water and like being under all the flamethrower and all that coming out
of it.
Loved that too.
Every single part of this made sense strategically as like as a filmmaker, as a director, as

(02:45:31):
a filmmaker, as like as the character.
Every single part of this action sequence made sense, which made it an even better action
sequence.
Sometimes they're cool just to see just to see an action sequence get done.
But it is so much better when every part of it actually makes sense to the story and not
one part of this did not make sense to the story.

(02:45:53):
If you see tossing that line in, maybe you should have made him smart instead of fast.
Dude.
I think this might be my favorite Bucey movie.
Because everything he says I love.
Okay.
And it's not just that it's a fun thing for him to say.

(02:46:15):
I actually love it.
Like, I really I did.
I really enjoyed that.
Todd driving right towards Kane while continuously saying affirmative to changing course.
That was that was great.
That's clever.
Yeah, I like that.
I really enjoyed that.
I remembered I remembered that from the last time that I watched this movie.

(02:46:39):
And as I was like, I was just delighted as the scene was happening because I knew where
it was heading and just how like Kane was like, you know, we're just taking care of
business.
All this.
These things can't take a chance.
They don't stand a chance against us.
All this.
And then like, you're on a collision course with me.
Affirmative.
Dude, his delivery on like Kurt Russell's delivery in every line in this movie was solid

(02:47:00):
gold.
I, I absolutely will stick with that.
Then he jumps on the radio to tell the other dude, your men are obsolete.
That and Kurt Russell's grumble voice.
Yeah, what happens to Isaac's at the end of the movie?

(02:47:21):
I'd pee myself too if I was facing that dude.
Right.
I could see losing some bladder control.
100 percent.
Kane lives steroid time and honestly, he had kind of a scary ass walk.
Like Dolph Lundgren and Universal Soldier, but just with a little less crazy and a little

(02:47:46):
more just psychopathy.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, and it kind of reminded me of like.
What was the stuff they use?
There was it was a short lived thing, but I remember that was one of the the Nazis tricks.
They all the the Nazi soldiers had like some kind of like super amphetamine drug where

(02:48:09):
they basically were like, if you're about to go down, if you're about to go down, pop
this and breathe it in.
And basically, you're still going to die, but you'll have such a berserker rush of adrenaline
before you do.
You might take out three or four more enemy soldiers before you die.
Kind of thing.
And that's what that reminded me.
I figured I figured that was what was going on here.

(02:48:30):
I was like, oh, this is his berserker run.
OK, yeah.
Yep.
The final fight.
Todd knew before he saw him.
And I think there was a close up on something and I didn't really understand the close up.
So maybe I missed something there.
But I kind of got that sense that Todd just knew.

(02:48:52):
Like he just kind of or something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Todd wins this battle with ingenuity again should have made him smarter instead of faster
because Todd completely he sets the trap.
He sets the bait.
He guides him into it and then he takes him out perfectly with it.
I did appreciate that.
Yeah.

(02:49:13):
He eyeballs the weapon and tricks the guy into going for the weapon that he thinks he's
going to go for and instead uses that second to get him with the weapon he didn't see.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which was technically not a weapon, unless you're smart.
Well, that's the thing.
Like it was like using the propeller like that.
That is what I really enjoyed about that.
It was the ingenuity that came through, which was a line that Busey came through earlier

(02:49:35):
in the movie about ingenuity being.
Wait a minute.
No, that was in fear of the black hat that that I was about to go through the propeller
black hat.
Did these two close?
And then it's time for the planet killer bomb, which.

(02:49:58):
Whatever.
Yeah.
Why not?
Sure.
I mean, like because it's not like you're going to answer to the garbage dumping company
that's been using that planet this whole time or anything like that.
I mean, realistically, whatever.
Todd reunites with Riley and they assume control.
Now Riley is the one that I was talking about.

(02:50:19):
Oh, where am I at?
Riley is the one that I was talking about.
That is Jacob Black.
He no lines in this movie.
However, he did give a memorable performance because everything that was behind his eyes,
I understood every single line that he was not saying, but I understood every single

(02:50:42):
thing that he was saying.
And I really enjoyed I really wanted to give a shout out to him because he really carried
that performance quite well.
Isaacs wants to leave a Busey is the morally superior one in this.
Don't abandon your men, which it makes me wonder how it would have shaken out if Busey
didn't die when Todd came back.

(02:51:04):
If Busey would have been there when Todd returned, it kind of makes me wonder what would have
happened and if like Busey would have shaken off with all of them and been the good guy
and like been the commander of a better military unit because no matter what he was getting
court martialed after that he was not going to be like serving after that.
This was his final like moment as a military service member with Busey.

(02:51:27):
If he didn't die, disobeying Isaacs the way that he did, that still would have gotten
him killed.
Huh, okay.
That's disobeying a direct order, which is dereliction of duty, which in today's military
is still punishable by death.
Wow, okay.
Yeah, no, that's that is still a thing.
Even even even if it's disobeying an illegal order, because I think that was the argument

(02:51:51):
that he was having is because the he was arguing that these were civilians and it was illegal
to order the the destruction of the planet.
The civilians were basically already dead.
What was illegal about that had already taken place.
Going in and attacking them at all was illegal.
So I don't know.
It's a different world.
Like the world building didn't really tell us the rules of engagement or anything like

(02:52:13):
that.
So, right, okay.
Ditching the superiors on the trash planet with the bomb and they take to the skies.
The little kid wanting up and how much Todd struggles with trying to figure out how to
pick this child up.
It was hilarious.
The first time I saw it, it was gut wrenching.

(02:52:34):
When I watched it as an adult, because he did not.
He doesn't know how to show this kid what like he doesn't know how to show this kid
how to grow up to be like pert we and he knows that.
Right.
Yeah, like.
And I very much really, really appreciated that the movie did not end with Nielsen next

(02:52:59):
to Russell.
Her husband just fucking died.
Thank God.
Right.
Yeah.
That would have been a massive, massive cop out.
Yeah.
No, I agree.
No, I appreciate that too.
Yeah.
We the the soldiers were all in the cockpit doing their soldier thing and all the civilians
were in the hold doing the civilian thing all as it should be.

(02:53:20):
Yes, I agree.
No, I really appreciate that.
And just watching the silent child and the silent adult staring off into the sky into
the stars to me was the perfect ending.
Like I it was a good way to go.
Yeah.
So like I was saying, basically the entire time that we were going through this movie,

(02:53:40):
I fucking loved this movie.
There's not a single part about this movie that misses me.
But it's not a must see.
It's just an outstanding, outstandingly different performance of Kurt Russell, something that
is a little bit out of place and time.
And it is like 60 percent a silent movie performance.

(02:54:03):
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Like if you are.
I mean, and yeah, go ahead.
Not not a shocker.
I'm sure I'm kind of in the same same place.
It's not a must see.
I don't see anything wrong with it at all.
I could not tell you anything bad about this movie other than some of its special effects.
But yeah, it's like.

(02:54:26):
It was an OK film.
I would not.
Yeah, I would not recommend anyone take the time out of their day to go search it out.
Yeah.
Oh, heavily disagree.
I would I know dozens of people that I would send to go watch this movie.
I'm just not going to classify it as a must watch.
OK.
Like it is like it will entertain the shit out of the right people.

(02:54:49):
And there are tons of people who are the right people for this.
But OK, there is no giant.
Perfect performance, something that is going to stand the test of time or anything like
that.
None of that.
It's just but there are no weak actors.
There are no weak performances.

(02:55:09):
No.
True.
Every single actor brings exactly what they were supposed to bring.
Kurt Russell does an absolutely tremendous job delivering everything that we are meant
to feel from him without saying damn near any lines.
The dystopian horror of stealing children as babies and creating militaries from them,

(02:55:33):
that is something that is it's done very well in this movie.
It's actually done better in this movie than most other times that I have seen a concept
like that.
Sure.
Yeah, because every other like most other times you see that they still have personalities.
They would not have personalities.
This is how that would go.
Well, yeah.

(02:55:53):
Well, and that and that's kind of one of those things where they're I mean, I don't know
if the story probably would not have been served in in delving into this.
But it's like like you're saying before about how he's basically a 13 year old boy.
He's staring at her at her tits and he can't stop and it's making her uncomfortable.
And it's to a certain degree, you're kind of sitting there going like, well, should
there's a question in life that's never been answered.

(02:56:15):
If you've never fucking seen a woman in your life, would you stare at her tits still?
Like that's a that's a whole cultural aspect that he was not raised in.
He was killed.
First off, I don't think that's not a question.
That is not a question.
That is not a question.
The answer is obvious.
If you have never seen a being that has boobs before, you're going to stare.

(02:56:37):
That's not that's not a question.
That's not a reasonable question.
Well, I mean, I mean, he's he's seen women before he one of his one of his officers,
one of his commanding officers is a woman.
So it's not it's not a white t-shirt with no bra.
This is a little bit different.
But that's the that's the thing is like that's one of those like Lord of the Flies questions.

(02:56:59):
That's not a that's not a question for this movie.
And yeah, but yeah, but like I said, yeah, definitely.
Like definitely not a must see, but I'm going to say it flat out.
I'm going to go watch this again in the future.
There's no way that I'm not going to the the power and the quiet performances of this.
I think as an actor, it's the kind of performance I always wanted to give.

(02:57:26):
Okay, it is exactly the kind of performance I always wanted to give.
I like show up a lot like I've always wanted to do a goofy Jim Carrey type performance
as well.
But this there's I feel like there's more power in this than like you can write 10,000

(02:57:47):
pages of dialogue and it's not like it's like it's not going to be as good as five seconds
of staring into the right person's eyes.
Okay, yeah, I see what you're saying there.
All right, so that is going to bring a close to this week's episode.

(02:58:07):
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We post the episode it is under the hacksaw workshop.
Other than that, we also have the podcast version of this.
Well, yeah, but I mean, the podcast version is what I'm hoping people would be listening
to to hear this.
Oh, that's a good point.

(02:58:28):
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(02:58:50):
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Yes, doc.
Do you have anything left for this episode?
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All that's left is to say buy my books.
I think you'll enjoy them.
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