H.Y.S.T? | S2E8 | 10 Things I Hate About You & Duck Soup

10 things I hate about you

Written by Karen McCullah and Kirsten Smith. Shakespeare

Directed by Gil Junger

Starring Heath Ledger, Julia Stiles, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Larisa Oleynik, David Krumholtz, and Andrew Keegan. With Gabrielle Union, Susan May Pratt, Larry Miller, Daryl Mitchell, David Leisure, and Allison Janney.

Duck Soup

Written by Bert Kalmar, Harry Ruby, Arthur Sheekman, and Nat Parrin

Directed by Leo McCarey

Starring the Marx Bros. Groucho, Harpo, Chico, and Zeppo (last role and final film w/ the four of them together).

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Welcome to Heist. I'm Bradley Hackworth joined by Jonathan Ems, otherwise known as Doc.

(00:06):
Hello fellow humans.
It is our special Thanksgiving episode with two movies that don't have ick to do with Thanksgiving.
But, you know.
Ending two entirely different Thanksgiving moods.
I am jacked up on caffeine and Brad is barely conscious right now.

(00:28):
I'm barely with you. About like 20 minutes ago I wasn't even with you.
I was in a different world. I was slumbering. There were turkeys dancing.
It was like things were, things were nice.
Things were good.
Now we're here.
The world is cruel.
I have, ugh.
Like I said before Brad, I would have let you off the hook.

(00:53):
I would have been okay with us just taking the night off.
Everything you're about to say does not matter because there is a but.
If there is a but at the end of the sentence, everything before is bullshit.
I told my family to fuck off so I could do this.
So now I'm responsible. If I don't do this, I'm just the asshole who left Thanksgiving.

(01:15):
And these are not people who leave Thanksgiving early. Okay?
These are talkers. These are folks who if you didn't drug them, they would talk all night.
Hey, I grew up in the Midwest. I know how it goes, man.
The 50 minute goodbyes. I know, I know how it goes.
Alright. Yeah.
The movies tonight that we're going to be covering are 10 Things I Hate About You.

(01:39):
And right now, Doc, I got a few of them.
That comes.
Ugh.
You know what? That's just going to be me. That's going to be me this episode.
I am going to be a crotchety shit.
There's no way around it because I mean, half of these movies I loved, half of these movies I fucking despised.

(02:02):
Like, I like, this is this is this is the OK, we'll see.
This is what I don't understand, then it's going to be a very like you.
When you say half of these movies, you mean half of these movies this episode?
Uh huh. Oh, OK, I see.
I thought you meant like in the series and I'm sitting here going like, why didn't you ever say so?

(02:26):
Why are we pretending we like movies? I don't pretend I like movies I don't like.
No, no, no, no, no. This this I think is going to be the first one that I'm not going to lie.
There was some brilliant writing, the skills, the like a lot that went into it was great.
The movie made me wildly uncomfortable at times and to like introduced racism jokes to me that I wasn't even aware existed.

(02:50):
And I am now not I don't like that that was added into my brain.
I like. I say yes.
Yeah, I could have gone on not knowing these things.
The songs that were referenced in there that because I am who I am, like I had to go research and listen to did not like any of that.

(03:11):
That was all. Wow.
We'll say I understand the brilliance of it.
Damn. I hear you.
OK, that's OK. We'll get into that when we get into that then.
But the first one that we're going to be covering is 10 Things I Hate About You written by Karen McCullough and Kirsten Smith based on taming of the taming of a shrew.

(03:38):
Wait, taming of the shrew.
I actually don't know. Which one is it?
It is the shrew. Yes. Taming of the shrew. Yes.
Thank you. By Shakespeare. Directed by Gil Junger.
Starring Heath Ledger, Julius Stiles, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Larissa Oleynik, David Krumholtz and Andrew Keegan with Gabriel Union, Susan Mae Pratt, Larry Miller, Daryl Mitchell, David Leisure and Alison Janney.

(04:11):
And everyone other than Alison Janney, these are all like established names today.
And these are the baby child versions of them in this movie.
And it's kind of shocking. Except for the one who played Bianca, Larissa Oleynik.
She was a child star. She was the star of The Secret Adventures of Alex Mack.

(04:36):
Oh, right. I remember that show. Yes.
Joseph Gordon-Levitt had already done Third Rock from the Sun.
He was in the middle of doing Third Rock from the Sun at this time, wasn't he?
Yeah, but it was already a hit show.
Right. I don't know about Andrew Keegan.
Gabriel Union, this is about the same time as Bring It On. And I think she was already an established name at that point.

(04:58):
I don't know about Heath Ledger and Julius Stiles, even though they were pretty much the stars.
Yeah, it was still kind of shocking for me because of how,
it was especially shocking with Julius Stiles of how just small and skinny she was in this movie.
But even Heath Ledger, compared to the very next big thing he was in was Knight's Tale.

(05:25):
And in Knight's Tale, he's twice as big as he is in this movie.
And so it was still kind of weird to see everyone look so small.
I don't know. I was thinking about that because I kind of want to watch Knight's Tale again,
because I remember he actually is kind of a toothpick in that movie, too.
Really? OK. Maybe.

(05:47):
Yeah, I remember. He doesn't really look like a knight,
which is why you don't really have any shirtless Marvel scenes in that movie for him and stuff like that.
Right. OK. That is a fantastic movie.
I wonder if Heath Ledger, if there ever was a moment, like a time where he was jacked.

(06:08):
It's been a while since I've watched. For some reason in my head, I see him as like a big, huge dude.
And I guess it's been a while. He's got that presence.
He just has that presence.
Maybe maybe Brokeback Mountain when he was playing the cowboy.
OK, I suppose that's possible as well. Yeah.
Yeah, but I can't I can't remember. It's been way too long.

(06:31):
But the music in this movie is just wow, dates it so hard.
But also, because that was my era, man, I was having fun with it.
A lot of throwbacks came up there because we open on bare naked ladies singing over the opening credits
and Julia Stiles jumps in with some just absolute banger music.

(06:53):
And her personality shows up right away in the opening scene.
Sets the tone of the movie where it like it starts off looking like, you know,
basically the opening to Not Another Teen Movie is what and then is and then is interrupted by
Julia Stiles coming in with the, you know, I fuck.

(07:14):
I want to say the cramps. I'm not 100 percent sure who that was.
I know I wasn't familiar. I know the song. I but I didn't know the band and.
And as you can tell, I'm running a little low on energy and it's it's been it's been catching up with me.

(07:36):
Showing up to school and Alice and Janey writing a romance novel while Gordon Leavitt
is being introduced into the class or into. The school, yeah.
That's what you call that. Yeah, he's basically I mean, usually it's a little more ceremonial.
It seems like he's just transfer. He's just transferred in.

(07:58):
Basically just yeah, and he's basically just reporting to the school counselor, which is I mean,
OK, I've transferred schools before and never met the school counselor in either school that I was transferring from or to.
Really? Yeah, no, that's like one of the very like that's a big thing every single time that I ever transferred schools.

(08:19):
I'd sit down with the guidance counselor at some point or like they'd be like, so how are you adjusting?
How are things going? Is it like you getting along in the new school? Never did that with you.
Nope. Constantly. I could still tell you the name of every single guidance counselor from every school I went to because of that.
And no, it was not a good thing because being on first name basis and as you're walking through the hallways of a new school and they're like, hey, Brad.

(08:47):
And I'm like, how about we don't do that? Right. Yeah, that's that's that's that doesn't help the street cred much.
And I had a class of twenty eight people. There was no street. OK, rap road.
Maybe. Well, maybe maybe that maybe that was it. Maybe it was because I went to such a bigger school.

(09:10):
They were like, we don't have time for this shit. You're on your own. Probably the case.
Like that, I could definitely see that the biggest school I ever went to, I think the class, maybe 300 people, maybe.
No, it was not. No, no, no. Very like small place. Heath Ledger pops in to get in a size joke about the optimism about his bratwurst.

(09:38):
Well, because he's apparently he's apparently being told to report to the counselor for, quote unquote, exposing himself, the lunch lady, which really was just the school lunch bratwurst.
And he basically gets he gets roasted. But I was going to say that was the interesting thing about it as well.
Other than the vibe check from Julia Styles, where she comes in, changes the tone of the beginning with her music and her whole presence.

(10:04):
Other than that, our introduction to both Heath Ledger's character and Joseph Gordon Levitt's character, their introductions kind of run of the mill vanilla.
Alice and Janie steals the show from both of them for their own character introduction by just roasting the both of them, you know.
And then stealing the bratwurst line for her own romance novel. Right. Yeah.

(10:30):
Then David Krumholtz shows up for the I'm Not a Geek tour for Jordan Levitt or Gordon Levitt.
And just you get the freaks, the geeks, the nerds, the every single one of them.
Your standard high school movie, your standard high school movie setup of let's go ahead and name the cliques, you know.
And we got and we got the tour guide naming the cliques like on your left is the, you know, the monument to to fascism over here.

(10:58):
The the, you know, the cool kids, as they are usually called.
Which I think this like they had everything but like the neo-Nazis.
Yeah, yeah. Like they really went all the way in on it.
But Krumholtz got kicked out of the Ivy League group because he buys his socks at an outlet mall.

(11:23):
And I still wonder if that was actually true or if that was him just kind of saying that, because the way that he says,
like, I'm going to get my revenge or whatever he says, that kind of made it seem like it was true.
I mean, we were never given any reason to believe that it wasn't true.
I mean, yeah, he seems to be kind of a generally honest character when he's never caught lying or conniving.

(11:48):
So we, you know, his his quote unquote revenge is to basically get, you know, the guy's house destroyed by a party.
But other than that, we have no reason to to suspect that the person he's going after is innocent in any way.
He's definitely made out to be a bit of a dick.
Oh, yeah. And then our first look at Bianca and Chastity played by Larissa Olenek of,

(12:14):
like I was saying earlier, The Secret World of Alex Mack and Gabrielle Union from Everything Else.
Yeah, like she's one of those characters.
She's one of those actors who's been like, you know, you know, she's been on at least one episode of every television show ever on TV.

(12:35):
And starred in plenty of movies like, you know, if you don't know her name, you do know who she is.
And but God, they are greedy and dumb in this.
And one of my favorite jokes that comes from there is.
I know you can be overwhelmed and you can be underwhelmed, but can you ever just be overwhelmed in the response of I think you can in Europe?

(13:02):
I just. Wow. Wow.
I did like how like any like the conversations between these two were like these sort of like.
The interesting thing is, is that they were like brought off as like pseudo intellectualism as like these.
These are these two high school girls who think they're thinking deep thoughts, but they're actually quite shallow.

(13:27):
If you fast forward 10 years, you see these exact conversations taking place on Tumblr and getting deeper and deeper until you find out they actually are extremely deep philosophical questions.
What?
Don't worry about it. Hopefully, I can tell.

(13:50):
Man, this is not going to be my greatest episode.
Gordon Levitt is all the way in love when he catches his first sight of Bianca and then into poetry class led by Darrell Mitchell, which if you don't know him by name, you will know him as Tommy in Galaxy Quest.
Mm hmm. Yep. I don't know many people who haven't seen that movie and Styles is filled with facts on why Hemingway sucks.

(14:22):
And all very valid facts.
Mm hmm. Where that is true.
That is true. And where I feel like there's a piece of you that kind of thinks that you may have been into Julia Styles in high school.
But I feel like you would have been obsessed with her friend.

(14:45):
Well, I mean, let's be honest, it's me we're talking about here.
I'm not talking about being a crush slut slut. I'm talking about actually legitimate interest.
Oh,
dare you, sir. I loved every single one of these girls with all my heart.

(15:06):
But yes, I probably I probably would have been slightly more obsessed with the friend than than with Styles herself in the in her characters if in the real world.
Yeah, no, I but she also kind of seemed like one of the only characters.
Mm hmm. She was one of the only non one dimensional characters in this film.

(15:28):
Which was interesting about her because we don't really like she's kind of a visual stand in.
We don't get much on her until that third dimension is suddenly exposed out of nowhere.
You know, yeah, she's not even on the title card.
Yeah, like, which is weird.
And our first look at Andrew Keegan, now a cult leader, in case you didn't know.

(15:55):
And I did not know. Oh, you didn't know.
I mean, I'm still reeling over, you know, the cult that Alison Mack turned out to be in like that was that was one that took me a little while to sit there and go like, what?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that sucked.
Here we go.

(16:17):
Andrew Keegan addresses rumors that he runs a cult, admits he spent he spent 10s of 1000s of dollars on spiritual group.
You know what? Good on him for spending his own money. That's a few cult leaders do that.
You. Okay, here we go. You mean when I woke up one day and I was anointed a cult leader, he asked with a laugh during the I Heart podcast?

(16:45):
Yeah, he said he got immersed in the culture in the community and an interesting group of hippie types in Venice and connected with some folks and had this community.
This old Hare Krishna temple.
And it was just sitting there and we were like, why don't we get some people together and let's open this place up.

(17:08):
So, no, he described basically like opening a cult and getting it started and it's like, what do you mean?
This didn't happen. Like, I'm a little serious.
It sounds like it sounds like his story is that he got he sort of forced gum to his way into being a religious leader by accident is what he was what he seems to be claiming.
That doesn't that kind of seem like how it always happens?

(17:34):
I mean, I guess it depends on the cult. Some of them seem a little bit more, you know, direct plan than others.
But I mean, one of the biggest and most popular cults in the world today all pretty much happened on accident because some dude was running a marketing campaign.
Now, that is a very good point. I mean, dude, these things, a lot of times they don't happen on purpose.

(18:00):
I mean, I suppose, like, I guess it's the question of the initiation of the cult or becoming the leader of the cult.
Which of those is the accidental part?
OK, you may you may have a good point there.
I love that. I love that moment where Darryl Mitchell goes into like wild agreement with Stiles and then like by agreeing with her, he goes in on her over over her overprivileged life and then sends her to the office.

(18:39):
Yeah, this you get pretty right right off the bat, you find out that this this black teacher has had it up to here with these white suburban Seattle kids like I'm sick of your shit.
Been dealing. We don't know how long he's been a teacher.
He's still pretty young, but you can tell he's like already lost all care for all their shit.
He's like, even when I agree with you, I'm fucking sick of you. Get out.

(19:02):
Yep. Which Kelly was telling me she had one teacher who was like that and she loved him.
Like if I would have had one, I probably would have. I probably would have loved a teacher like that, too.
I never had one back in Allison Janie's office and she has writer's block and Stiles saves the day.

(19:23):
And then we find out, well, how did that testicle retrieval operation go?
And for the love of God, the fact that she says, I maintain that he kicked himself in the balls.
That would that's probably my favorite line of the movie.
She says she says it with absolute conviction. I maintain that he kicked himself in the balls like it's a good line.

(19:47):
It's a good delivery. Yeah.
Testicle retrieval. Yeah.
I hope the crime matched. I hope the I hope the crime matched the punishment. That's all I'm saying.
I mean, it depends on how many times he had tried this before she snapped.

(20:15):
I. It does crack me up.
OK, a little bit of a sidebar here.
Violence is never acceptable unless it's a guy getting kicked in the nuts.
That is one of like that is like from the hippie.

(20:36):
We need to find a way to use our words and we need to come together.
We need to get understanding. Violence is never the answer is the single community that celebrates testicle kicks in the world.
And it is one of the biggest ironies.
It just it cracks me up. Nonsense.
I was like, no, no, no, this is never OK. It's never OK. Yeah, he deserved it.

(21:00):
It's fucking funny. It is.
It's just hypocritical to the fucking maximum. And it's funny as shit.
It's just but it's the smack yourself in the forehead kind of funny.
It's like, do you all not realize like how violent you are?
And well, I think the interesting like I have actually I saw this guy

(21:25):
on TikTok not too long ago telling the story of how like his wife literally had no idea how much it hurts.
Like they were, you know, him and his wife were literally like, you know, doing husband wife wrestling type stuff.
And she kind of like backhanded him and it crumbled to the floor.

(21:47):
And she literally was like, wait, what's wrong with you, baby?
It was just a little tap and like it took like an hour to explain to her.
Yeah, like he took him like an hour to explain to her like you literally have no idea how much this hurts, do you?
And and so, yeah, that's kind of like I think that's part of it,
especially when you see it done comedically so often, you know, in movies that unless it has happened to you,

(22:12):
it is very difficult to cognate just how painful it is.
But when you need to have surgery because of it,
I don't feel like you need the maximum amount of firsthand experience.
Like, you know, if if somebody told me that somebody grabbed somebody by the fallopian tubes and yanked him out,

(22:37):
I don't need to have those to kind of empathize with how painful that is.
So the ignorance is the argument for why we celebrate violence argument doesn't really make sense.
But it again, like like I said, it's done. It's done for comedy in movies so often.

(22:59):
It is very easy to dissociate from that. You know, it's like, you know, it's right.
It's right up there with, you know, every time someone like uses a breakaway bottle to break a bottle over someone's head, like
until you had an actual real non breakaway bottle broken over your head, you have no idea how fucked up that is to do with someone.
Oh, yeah, that's almost that's pretty much a guaranteed huge slice across the scalp, no matter what.

(23:26):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's a pretty rough one.
Hegan says he's going to go after Bianca just for fun, like a true fucking creep.
And I mean, like Joseph Gordon Levitt's just wildly relatable love blindness.
Yeah, I think we've all been there.

(23:49):
I don't have been there. I mean, just yeah, the woman got no interest in me not happening, not even in the realm of possibility.
But I still was like, I am a lovesick fool. I will do whatever you want.
I literally was the most pathetic man on the planet for 100 percent.
Yeah, a bit too long, I have to admit.

(24:11):
Yeah. Oh, no, I think I think we have all been there at some point or another.
I hope so. I hope I'm not the outlier on that one.
When the bike goes over the edge and you just get that little bit of audio of my balls and then he gets up, pulls it off and everybody starts clapping.
Why wasn't he popular at any point in the movie after that?

(24:35):
Like nobody ever mentioned it again. It's like, come on, man, you wouldn't even ride that wave.
It was an oddly stuck in moment.
Like it was it was a good gag. It was it was an interesting bit of comedy, but like it had nothing to do with anything else.
It seems to come out of nowhere.
It was a great shot, mind you, because when he first goes over that hill, you see like the football field in the distance.

(24:58):
So for a second, it looks like he's gone off a sheer cliff with like several hundred foot drop.
So there is an oh shit moment there that comes off really well.
But yeah, it's like it was a pratfall that came out of nowhere.
It was a bit of comedy. And then, yeah, never mentioned again.
And so, yeah, I mean, I feel like there were a few moments in this movie where they literally were just like, we need to put something here.

(25:23):
Let's just make something up because, you know, with all of the Shakespeare stuff we've cut out to, you know, now that now we've got to fill this back up to 90 minutes, we need to shove some new shit in here.
So I think there were a lot of different gags that were there just for the sake of being there.
Well, I can see that.
There were a lot of connections to Shakespeare in this, like one of the main characters last names being Verona.

(25:47):
I thought that was that was.
Oh, no, no, no, it was it was the whole thing.
Yeah, you know, Kat, Kat Stanford, you know, she's Catherine of Stanford in in there, you know, and he's and he's a, you know, Petruchio Verona.
And even like the name of the high school was the name of the town that it takes place in.

(26:08):
Like they were not hiding at all that this was taming of the shrew.
They were putting her right up front.
Yeah, I just don't know all the references because I can't remember the last time that I actually read taming of the shrew.
And I've never actually seen the play.
Really? OK, interesting.
I mean, I've performed outside of like, you know, community theater.

(26:32):
OK. But I mean, how often do you see community theater done well?
I mean, you're being kind.
Look, I've never been blown away by community theater, but I've appreciated more than a few performances.

(26:53):
You're being kind is what I'm sticking with.
When you go to a play, you're blown away by the play.
You like you think it's good.
The performances that stand out.
That's when the lines stick with you, when they are delivered in a way that was powerful.
I've never gone to community theater where anybody has ever delivered a line that has stuck out to even a point that I remember a single community theater performance that I've ever been to.

(27:23):
They are fun to go to. I will still support them.
It is a community thing.
But you don't see that you ain't seeing Neve Campbell on there.
Oh, OK, I see what you're saying. OK, yeah, yeah. All right.
No, like it is it is what it is. It's it's it's actor playground.
That's what it is.

(27:44):
That's true.
But then over to the house to see styles reading the bell jar.
However, that's a book which chronicles a young woman's mental breakdown and eventual recovery while also exploring societal expectations of women in the 1950s.
Basically perfect to her character.
Yeah, like that is exactly what she had been reading.

(28:08):
No, I thought that was perfect.
Meeting the dad played by Larry Miller and he flips about boys.
His whole character was 100 percent perfect to me.
There was not one thing. Absolutely. 100 percent.
Everything like not only was the character perfect because they put in like, OK, they take they take the old world Shakespearean version of this of, you know, I got to marry off my daughters.

(28:33):
And since no one wants to marry Kate, I'm basically holding the marriage of Bianca hostage.
Someone's got to marry her first. Then we can marry.
They retranslate that to modern day very, very well in which he is in which now the father is a maternity ward doctor who is so fucking terrified of his daughters getting pregnant.

(28:55):
I mean, if you're delivering crack babies all the time, you'd probably be worried about your teenage daughters, too.
I get it. I get 100 percent.
It was a brilliant rework of that character.
And I cannot think of anyone better to play that character than Larry Miller.
That guy, he was one of the underappreciated comic actors of the 90s, in my opinion.

(29:22):
I would say underappreciated just because not that not enough people know his name.
But I feel like there's not a single person from that era that when he showed up on the screen or something like that, they didn't go, here we go.
Right. Right. OK, I see your point. And I agree. Yes.
Yeah, no, I think he was properly appreciated, just under marketed.

(29:46):
OK, yeah.
Not a star.
I mean, that just. And people usually only remember the leading names.
And probably he was the murder suspect in one of my favorite episodes of Law and Order.
Oh, really?

(30:08):
Because he plays that sardonic asshole so well, they literally did an episode where he's immediately the murder suspect because he's such an asshole.
But then he's found innocent at the end of it.
The jury lets him off and it literally becomes like we are left on a up to the audience, the side, middle of the road thing where they go like either, you know, either the guy is lucky or he's innocent because like, did we really suspect him just because he's an asshole?

(30:40):
We can't say for sure, but we're still sure he did it, even though the jury found him not guilty.
It was a really, really good episode and he was perfect in it.
Go Dick Wolf.
Nice.
One of the most relatable moments in this was Gordon Levitt cramming French so he can tutor her so he can try to look good for the girl.

(31:11):
I've done that. Not French, but I think it was computer programming in my case.
Don't know what I did. I don't even know if I actually did the cramming. I think I just faked it.
Like, no, I got this and just went into it.
That sounds a lot more like me than actually having done the work at that point in my life.

(31:37):
Right. No, the do the work is a now thing.
Right.
When I entered the workforce after school, like whenever people say to me like, well, you know, do you think you can figure out how to do this? I'd be like, I absolutely can because I did this for a chick, you know, in one night so I can learn anything immediately.

(32:00):
Nice.
Yeah, I just found out that if I say yes, I can figure pretty much anything out.
And that, that's a level of confidence that I should not carry into the world but it keeps working.
Like,
it's weird right? Yeah, yeah, it's like every time I give myself the credit of thinking no I'm better than I am. I pull it off.

(32:25):
But then I get bored with the fact that I pull it off like if I like that's why this book like doing this book has not burnt me out one bit.
Every, every time I get it's like, dude, it's like writing this book is like crack.
No matter how much it hurts me. I just, I just want more.
It is now. Yeah, I understand. I've been there.

(32:46):
Yeah, it is because you keep hearing you always hear these stories about people who like don't get the job because their resume had like one weird little typo or didn't include the one thing they were looking for.
Meanwhile, I'm walking into offices and they're going like do you know anything about marticking? I'll be like I will by tomorrow morning. They're like you're hired then.
Now that's just it. I like the motivation. I like the confidence. Let's go.

(33:10):
And no, I don't.
Ah, I'm not.
Two white guys talking about how they haven't been turned down for jobs is not exactly.
No, you're right. That's not that's not great. It's not exactly prime material.
Hey, check out this thing we just discovered. The white guy gets the job.

(33:35):
And you know, yeah, that may not be for the right.
One of the most painful moments of this film for me.
You're asking me out.
That's so cute. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, been there.

(34:00):
He did that.
You know, as much as I want to say, like in real life, I was the the Gordon Levitt character. I can't give myself that much credit for being that adorable.
I was never that adorable or that adorable.
Right. Yeah. Well, and I think that might be like, you know, for today's audiences, that might be one of the

(34:25):
one of the uncomfortable parts about this movie is that depending on your mindset, you can definitely see Joseph Gordon.
You know, you can see Joseph Gordon Levitt and Larissa Lennox.
Their dynamic basically plays into every in cell argument ever. And that's, you know, that can be uncomfortable to watch.

(34:48):
The whole like he's just using him, you know, as soon as she finds out that that he's into her,
she starts playing him and to get him to do things for her and brings him along.
Did humans just discover this? Did they not know that was a thing?

(35:14):
Apparently, now it's an argument for men do that.
Reedy fucking people do that.
No, it's not a new thing.
But on the Internet, it's a volatile conversation about whether or not incels should be allowed to hate all women.
That's what it's come down to now.

(35:36):
And I know it's look, I'm not trying to justify the Internet.
I'm just saying what I mean.
Well, I mean, it's not. I mean.
Not to overly come to their defense, but if you're going to side with man hating lesbians,
then you kind of have to give them the right to do the same thing.
I mean, that's like that's like.

(36:00):
Is hating is hating a gender a bad thing?
It's not when women hate men. So is it?
So that's kind of a that's that's kind of a fun one.
I mean, it's this I mean, it like I said, it will be for some people uncomfortable to watch,
but it's no less uncomfortable than watching, you know, Kate Petruchio in the original version.

(36:25):
So.
OK, there you go.
Hints that styles used to be popular, but something happened and interviewing for styles new date.
These interviews.
One. OK, this is a teen movie.
This is 100 percent a teen movie, and I think it's kind of a timeless one.

(36:47):
I don't think it I don't think it aged out.
Because I don't think it's out.
Yeah.
You know what I mean? It's the concepts, what they're dealing with, what's happening, everything like that.
And styles is talking about the decisions that she that she made to lose her virginity and all that when she was 14.

(37:09):
This is not like.
This is very relevant, like that is like still what's going on to these days.
And I so I don't think it aged out.
No, I don't think it aged out for sure.
I mean, and I was going to, you know, we'll get into that and the whole like, you know, do we recommend it kind of thing?

(37:30):
I was kind of surprised how this is maybe like the fourth time I've seen this movie,
and it's probably been 15, 16 years since the last time I saw it.
I was kind of surprised how bored I was with it this time around.
Like, it hasn't aged out, but I don't think it holds up.
If that makes sense, that is going to be a person by person basis, because that was way not the experience over here.

(37:58):
OK.
But yeah, I mean, like I said, that's for the end.
Yeah.
But yeah, with the interviews, the one guy never been that baked.
The other guy, well, maybe if we were the last people on planet and there were no sheep.
Are there sheep that fucking guy?
I remember. Wow.

(38:20):
That was the line that got me to see this movie.
Like that line was in the trailer and it was the reason why I was like, oh, OK, I'm going to go see this movie was if we were the last two people left alive and there were no sheep.
Like they showed that clip of that kid saying it in the trailer, I was like, OK, this movie is going to be fucking funny.
I'm going to go see this funny.

(38:42):
It was a funny line.
The dude sold it too well.
And that's what I felt.
I felt bad for the actor.
I'm like, oh, that's not a line you want to deliver too well.
Well, they were there was a here's the thing.
The fact that that dude is a meme and multiple don't make sense.
That is strange that it is not a meme. Yes, but here's the thing, though, is that these guys, I bet that there was a contest on it because I have seen multiple takes there.

(39:12):
Every single one of those guys that we see in the background when he says that they've all said the line.
I've seen different takes of each one of them saying that line.
And so then that actor was the most believable to be a sheep fucker.
That's what I'm saying. You don't want to be the guy who kills that line.
You don't want to be the one who's believable as selling that.

(39:37):
Did we did we did we look up if he's done anything since have we found him on the IMDb?
I knew I was going to absolutely run in on this.
I didn't want to throw a name on that.
I didn't want to do that to the guy.
I just wanted to talk about the line.
Imagine like the next the next audition he goes to and he'd be like, Hi, I'm going to be reading for this role.

(39:59):
And they'd be like, Wait a second.
Are you the sheep fucker?
Be just like Jason Biggs.
Hey, you're that guy who fucked the pie.
Right. Exactly.
Hey, if Biggs could survive it.
Oh, he did more than survive.
He thrived off that.
And then meeting Ledger.
Because he learned to own it.
True, but meeting Ledger and then he turns the French book religious.

(40:23):
And the fact that he never replaced that book and that kept to be a gag movie.
I loved it.
Yeah, no, that was clever.
I like that.
Like just the deadpan drill through it.
And then, yeah, for the rest of the movie, whenever we see him with that French book, he's still trying to read it with a giant hole in it.
That that is a that is a directorial decision that few have the balls to make.

(40:46):
Very true.
Krumholtz hires Hegen to fix the deal.
And when he goes to sit down at that lunch and oh, is that a peach roll up?
That's really rare.
And then gives the full deal while Keegan is drawing a dick on his face and that fucking delivery when he comes out of it.
I have a dick on my face, don't I?
Like just. Yep.

(41:07):
Krumholtz nails this movie.
Like every line was.
He wasn't on my list of baby faced, you know, established, you know, established actors who are baby faced in this movie because in this movie, in this movie, he looks exactly the same as he always has from the beginning of time to the end of time.

(41:28):
He he looks like a 30 year old man in this movie.
Pretty much, which is why he got this role and the outtakes at the end of this movie.
Kelly thought they were hilarious.
I they didn't land on me.
The whole movie landed on me.
But the outtakes, which is usually my favorite thing.
Nope.

(41:49):
Weird. I don't know.
Yeah, I remember thinking those even even back then.
I remember thinking that those were weird outtakes to include because it was it was like the new thing like the same way like a stinger or an outro is now back in the 90s showing your outtakes at the end of the comedy during the trial during the credits was the new trend to put on.
And these all felt like just sort of tacked on there like no there was no vibe to them.

(42:13):
They were they were basically just shots of them breaking character.
No real gags.
No, no, nothing.
You know, so yeah, I thought it was odd except for the very, very last one, which is apparently an outtake of a scene that we did not even see in the movie.
Right. Yeah, I'm curious about I was that.
That was fun.

(42:34):
Yeah, and then there you go. So Krumm Holtz hires Keegan and then he Keegan hires Ledger and Ledger like he rolls him.
And I mean it's perfect how he does.
Wow. What a way to date the movie.
Want me to take her on a date.
The rich guy.
I'll pay you 20 bucks.

(42:56):
Wow.
This movie is a little old because I mean,
not just that, but even like Ledger as he's rolling him, he's saying like, oh, so you're saying you know, let's say I take her to a movie that is 15 bucks right there.
It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Fifteen dollars for two people.

(43:18):
I'm pretty sure that's about how much a large popcorn is now.
And I'm not I'm not being hyperbolic. I'm actually pretty I think a large pop now is like 15 bucks or something, isn't it?
I actually don't know. I haven't because I have stuff like that. I haven't bought concessions in a long time.

(43:40):
See, I'm one of those guys. It's still it's still part of the experience, man.
I got to go. I got a crunch on popcorn. I got to have a stomach ache three quarters of the way through the movie and I have to pee like a racehorse by the end.
That is tradition, my friend.
No, I'm right there with you.
And I and I get it, especially when you consider the fact that the concessions for most movie theaters, that's the only place they make any money.

(44:04):
They're given all the ticket sales to the studio.
They don't make any money off tickets.
They only make money off concessions.
But unfortunately, as much as I sympathize with that, I am also a poor boy and I have no money.
So the fact that I am here is already a lot.
There is that.
Then we get the first meeting of Styles and Ledger and he realizes it will not be easy.

(44:30):
The argument between the sisters about being light and wearing mom's jewelry broke my heart.
There was a lot. I thought it was a dead mom, but it was not a dead mom.
She abandoned them and we don't really find that.
We don't find that until later in the movie.
And when I realized that later in the movie, it re-informed this fight.

(44:56):
And it really does.
Because at first it seems like it's a dead mom and basically Styles is like, I wanted to wear mom's jewelry and you basically stole it.
And now we've got a new version of it, which is why would you want to wear the jewelry of the woman who fucking left us?
I took it a different way.

(45:17):
When Bianca says, it's not like she's coming back for it, Styles was still holding on to the fact that maybe she would come back.
And Bianca, that's what made sense to me.
We're keeping her stuff for her. What if she comes back? What if this, everything like that?
And Bianca's like, the bitch is gone.

(45:40):
And Styles having taken the position of trying to have to be a little more of a mentor and everything like that to her little sister because her mom is gone.
I saw it.
It's interesting if that's their take because personality wise, you think they'd be the other way around.
You would think, because she ain't entitled.

(46:05):
Styles isn't entitled to anything. She has no hope. She has no expectations or anything like that.
But I bet if her mom would have come back, a piece of that might have come back too.
It's like since her mom left, her suspension of hope has been completely removed.

(46:26):
That's where I was kind of taken. That's what I saw.
But that's why, you know, I don't know.
And I'm glad the movie left this particular part a little bit open for interpretation.
Right. Yeah. Well, I did like that the movie, it did explore the relationship between the sisters more than Shakespeare did.

(46:52):
They're like, yeah, in a household where this is going on, there would be a lot of history there.
There would be a lot of reason for these two to be in conflict with each other.
And yeah, that makes the characters a lot more interesting to kind of get their vibe in the background from that, from how this affects each other.

(47:13):
I definitely thought so.
I had you ledger being fascinated by Styles and she is outstandingly cold as she backs into Keegan's car.
Whoops. One of the best lines.
And see, this is a line that can only I feel like can only come from father to daughter.
My insurance doesn't cover PMS.

(47:37):
Fantastic line.
But again, don't repeat it.
Right. Yes. Yeah.
No, that that is a joke that literally only a dad like that is it.
That is a dad to his daughter line after she has hit somebody with a car and shrugged it off.
That is what more perfect response could you have come?

(48:01):
I mean, because outside of being filled with rage.
Being able to do being able to come in with a little bit of comedy.
Oh, that's that's that's a better dad than I think I would be.
Mm hmm. Just saying.
I mean, I I'd like to think that I would have taken my daughter's side on that one.
But, you know, she's never done anything like that.

(48:23):
So I don't know. But that's the thing is like I was I was always the bad influence on my kid.
You know, I was the one who even when she was too old to, you know, get the kids price on things,
I would tell her if anyone asks, just lie and say you're younger.
Like that was I feel like any parent says that.
I don't I don't feel like that. That that's any kind of big deal.

(48:47):
And if I ever do become a dad, I don't think this is going to make me a bad dad.
If my kid randomly ram somebody's vehicle and then shrugs it off.
No, I'm not taking their side. I'm not ask them. Are you a fucking sociopath?
No, no. OK, first of all, it wasn't random.
The idiot parked his car in the middle of the road blocking all of the parked cars.

(49:11):
I know that this is an example. I mean, he had it coming like he was asking for it.
He was a dick. He may have had a ticket coming.
He may have had if a random person came by and hit his car coming, that would be karma.
That would be what he would have coming.
The dad having to pay the bill because his daughter decided to play fucking karma.

(49:38):
Oh, well, should have gone to court, fought it.
Given how far she was able to speed up before hitting the car, that kind of indicated she could have turned and gone around.
It would have just been a little inconvenient.
So and let's be real here. Her hatred for him was deserved, but it was straight up over the top fucking hatred.

(50:06):
Let's not pretend that she was no, no, no, this is every girl and this is how we have to treat all of them and everything like that.
And when they act this way, it's OK. No, this was a psychotic character.
You cannot keep defending this.
I'm saying that it's, you know, we've all had that moment where we thought to ourselves.

(50:28):
We want to. Yeah. And that's all it is.
And Bill Burr says it perfectly.
He's like, there's no time like where you're a casual psychopath and an actual psychopath, a casual psychopath drives down the road and just thinks, you know, if I'm driving down the road, there's ten people over there.
If my hand just goes from ten to two, I'm on the news and I'm famous.

(50:52):
Everything like that. Driving straight. No problem. Everything like that.
Turn over here. Oh, my God, what a horror scene.
See, the fact that it enters the mind and all that.
That's one thing. Actually doing it.
Wanting to ram the person's car with your vehicle.
Totally acceptable. But doing it. But there is a difference.

(51:14):
There is a difference. There is a difference between because that's the thing is like this isn't like she didn't see his car and when I'm going to fuck him up.
No, like the dude was in the wrong. He parked his car in the middle of the road.
No, she did see his car parked there and decided I'm going to fuck it up.
Yeah, because he was blocking her in. OK, let me let me let me say it like this.

(51:38):
We've all had that moment where we're getting tailgated on the freeway, even though we're already going over the speed limit and they still ride our ass.
And you think to yourself, the only reason this asshole thinks this is OK is because no one's ever tapped their brakes at this moment. And I could do that.
I could be the one to teach him that lesson that he'll know that he'll remember for the rest of his life.

(52:00):
But we never do it, you know, because because you know, there are our need to our need to keep the social contract intact, even though the guy behind us is breaking it.
You know, it's a weird sick desire and we all have that moment.
We all have that fantasy that maybe this time we'll do it. And that's who she is. That's who she is.
She's the one who's like, fuck it. This time I'm doing it.

(52:24):
I'm teaching him that lesson that his parents didn't beat him enough.
So I'm going to give him a smack right now. In this case, it was his car parked in the middle of the fucking street.
Yes, which the magical part of that, which the magical part of this, if she was not a psychopath,
she could have had the fucking car towed away and he would not have been the victim and gotten paid.

(52:48):
And the dad would not have been the one to make suffer just because she was psycho.
It is it just keeps shrugging it off because you want to defend styles.
But it is that is like that is a more psycho personality type of move to just go, hmm.

(53:11):
That is not normal, mentally healthy behavior.
Funny in a movie, maybe not totally funny in a movie.
But oh my God, if any fucking woman is watching this section of the movie and Doc is defending this behavior,
I swear to God, do it to him.
I don't park in the middle of the road. Oh, psychos may not care.

(53:36):
Whatever line you crossed for that one may be a thing.
What if you accidentally double park just one of your wheels and that is too much for somebody?
So they decide to come by and slash your shit.
Never happens because I drive correctly. There you go.
Follow Doc because he's perfect. That's where it comes from.
The moment that he isn't. No. You slash that tire.

(53:58):
No, see, that's where it comes from, man, is because that's the thing is that it is not that hard to not be a dick on the road.
That's why it makes people so mad. No, it's not.
But where you're talking about the social contract and everything like that, hauling off and doing those things like that's that's the thing.
The short sightedness of that is what kind of too much time on this.

(54:24):
She's the damn psycho. You don't agree.
It's that's how it's going to go.
Higgins Egger over losing 50 bucks because he shells out 50 bucks and all he gets is a car accident.
And then he drops another Shakespeare reference about Verona, which I think that was the first time that we got to hear his last name being Verona.

(54:47):
Because no, no, she. No, it was when he when he's introduced, Alice and Janey called calls him Pete Brown.
Verona when she when he comes into her office and she's all like, Pete Verona, you again.
Oh, I miss it on that one.
But then his joke about the beer flavored nipples.

(55:09):
That was a good joke. Yeah, it was a good joke.
I got a good I got I got a pretty good laugh out of it.
And then the boys come up to help out Ledger.
But it kind of got me wondering because what is beer flavored?
What is the flavor beer?
Hops. Yeah, but.

(55:30):
It's kind of I've had too many kinds of beers.
I can't pick I can't actually sit down and just think, does beer what's the can called beer tastes like?
I've had too many different kinds of beers.
I can't narrow what that would be.
And when they come up with the idea to have Bogey Levinson's party be where like everything goes down,

(55:59):
I always really liked that passing that passing out the flyer scene.
I thought that was when they throw it down the stairs and you see it kind of all flutter around.
Yeah, that was a very cinematic moment.
I did appreciate that as well. Yes, I thought I always thought that was really cool.
Then over to the party and is like, remember, boys, don't touch anything.

(56:25):
My God, I that that that is a face of a man.
You just want to punch. You just you just want to punch him so hard.
Just the shooting golf balls onto the football field and hitting people, throwing the parties
and not allowing anybody to have any conversation or say anything like, oh, God, that is the person that is like,

(56:50):
yeah, I hate you to my very core, sir.
But like I said, almost everybody is very bizarre.
No, yeah, that's true. But that is, you know, that is true of the original as well.
That is fair. That is fair.
And then over to the party and OK, I know and think and I appreciate that I have a co that as a co-host,

(57:14):
I have some that can kind of back me up on this in all the years that you have known me and all the modeling gigs that I did.
This is a while ago.
Did you ever did we ever have a conversation of me practicing modeling poses or any of this?
No, I guarantee you, anybody who goes back and watches this movie that has known me, they're like, I bet that's Brad.

(57:40):
That is what people think I am, Doc.
It has driven me insane forever.
But that is what people have thought I am.
And I cannot break it. It's shit.
Well, yeah, I mean, it is kind of a weird.
It's another one of those like, you know, comedy, you know, a running gag in every movie that when you have a character who is perfectly pretty,

(58:04):
they've got to like make them look really obsessed with it.
Like, like, yeah, they're they're practicing their poses.
They have a name for each pose.
And they're like, can you see the subtle difference between the two?
And and yeah, there's that there's that one.
There's that one magazine ad that's going to go, you know, what was it on this one?
It's the it's a sock ad. He's like, I'm doing these socks and they're going to it's going to be big.
It's going to be big. Yeah, something like that.

(58:26):
Yeah. Like T-shirts, socks. I know.
Like when he gets punched in the face, he's like, I have a nasal spray.
Then there was the hemorrhoid where he's like, I know it sounds weird, but it's going to be big or whatever.
It's going to open doors. Right. I don't know.
But you're not the only model that I have known.
None of them ever talk like that. I I know.
I know. I cannot get I don't know.

(58:50):
It doesn't even make sense to me that people would think that that is part of the conversation
because it feels like everybody on planet Earth knows how intolerable that person would be.
So why would anybody on planet Earth ever be that person or want to hang out with that person?
That that is that is something that I have never been able to make sense of.

(59:13):
But when he's showing the two photos and she's like, I like this one, it's more pensive.
Damn, I was going for thoughtful.
That was that was good.
And and yeah, and that that look on her face, too, at that, it's like, oh, he's stupid.
Well, at least he's pretty. You like that?

(59:34):
And there's yep. And there was that moment.
The tiny date with Bianca as they're just kind of like, you know, teenagers jumping over rocks and having conversation.
And those were always cute dates. Those were always fun days.
And you know what? I like that this movie knew to include stuff like that.

(59:56):
Oh, yeah, I thought that was done very well.
And that was that was our shot of the our first tourism shot, too.
That was the thing is like a lot.
This movie was clearly very well funded by the Seattle Tourism Board because, you know, we get our we get a nice, good shot of the of the Seattle Troll
before we get paddle boating later on.

(01:00:18):
You know, it's like, come, come, come to our Seattle Troll.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Look, I guess I knew this took place in Seattle because of the boat.
But honestly, I don't know Seattle well enough to have recognized all that.
But when they're out on the paddle boat, that was the that was the one that got there.

(01:00:39):
That was when I realized it was Seattle.
I kind of thought it was San Francisco before because of all the hills.
I yeah. Until until the troll, I thought for sure that this was supposed to be like San Bernardino or something like that, because like everyone is so Californian.
Yeah, that's that's what I was. OK, so I wasn't alone there researching Styles room.
She's like, haha, black panties.

(01:01:02):
And then Gordon Levy like, can I can I see your room?
And I love this was telling the story through the camera work.
It's like, no, a girl's room is very private. And then you go to the master shot where you see them like, right.
And you see all of Styles room and all this and Gordon just like.
Yeah. When the camera is part of the storytelling, you're doing very, very well in my eyes.

(01:01:29):
Those are the movies I've very much like.
Yeah, it is some of the some of the better comedies are the ones that don't depend entirely on just like the jokes.
They also add to it and that becomes and that things like that, things like the music cue that we had at the beginning of the movie that that atone and then changed it.

(01:01:51):
And then, like we said before, with the flyers going down like that little cinematic shot like this is this isn't just like we're doing a comedy.
Let's just point a camera at the at the actors and let them riff.
You know, this is an actual like production.
We are putting some effort and thought into every part of this, even if that means a weird scene of a guy going over a cliff in a motorcycle for no reason at all.

(01:02:14):
But we're going to do quite literally the very next scene is when they go into the bar and he's like slapping the matches out of his hands.
Don't touch anything. You'll get hepatitis and then he walks through and picks up the eight ball as the guy is taking the game ending shot.
That's the most that's the most fantasy realm thing to happen in this movie.

(01:02:38):
The fact that he did that and did not get his ass beat right in that moment because he is in he is in an actual actual biker bar like the guys are all the bikers in there all wearing the same colors.
This is an owned bar and he's waltzing in in his fucking chinos and polo shirt picking up the eight ball in the middle of a shot.

(01:02:59):
We as bikers are not as mean as movies put us out there.
We would have been in there right though. That's right. That's right there with parking in the middle of the street.
He had it coming is what I'm saying.
Where you're right where you're right. I still think like the whole every biker is like dangerous and I will get I'll get I'll give I'll grant you this.

(01:03:22):
You don't want to mess with a biker club. That is true.
Like that they are tight knit stuff like that. If you want to get violent with one of them.
Chances are three of them are going to get violent with you.
However, they're the ones who are oftentimes protecting gay weddings and funerals and they are like they are some of the most supportive and right there with you and honestly patient dudes.

(01:03:49):
Because when you have one of these I'm going to heaven and you're going to burn in hell and you should get out of my way and you have them screaming in your face.
Why do this and these guys just don't do anything. You're you and that's fair.
And I do a little bit more patience. Yes.
Sure. Yeah. Like no I like I just want to throw a little bit.
I want to throw a little bit of love out like a lot of because a lot of my boys that are in like bike like they're in clubs and stuff like that.

(01:04:16):
The charity that they do for the for their cities in their states.
They are some of the heavy hitters and really got to throw love to those guys.
All right. I do. I do. There was money on that game.
There was money on that game.
We saw we saw them.
You're right. You're right.
And the guy the guy got it too.
He was just proud with it and they're like so I'm thinking something might have happened off screen between the actual bikers.

(01:04:42):
But I don't think they would have beat up the little kid who like came in there.
That's what I'm coming with.
Even if that little kid look like a 47 year old.
That's funny where they say like we found a picture of Jared Leto.
So you know she likes pretty guys and his response like it was a long time too.

(01:05:09):
It was a good long time and it was no it was it was very well done.
Yeah. Because he's just kind of like there's a it's not just a beat.
No he's sitting there staring at him for a minute going like uh-huh and then they're like uh-huh and he's like wait a second.
Are you are you saying I'm not pretty and they're like oh no no no you're very pretty you're very pretty.

(01:05:31):
Yeah.
That good good good stuff good stuff.
Yeah that was fantastic.
And then showing up to Club Skunk where he says he can't go and those shiny leather pants heads to the bar and they already know him there.
So that was kind of like my question there is like I can't be seen there.
Everybody already knows him there.

(01:05:53):
I was really curious.
Yeah what's the story there.
If I missed something there.
Yeah no I don't know what it was either.
But same thing like yeah I can't be seen there and then he shows up the bartender welcomes him by on first name basis.
I'm like you seem to be doing fine.
Yeah that's where I was a little bit curious.

(01:06:14):
I mean they did they did kind of suggest that there was something going on because as he's walking in and they do that hallway shot and every single other patron in the hallway is all are all women and they all kind of seem to side I am as he walks in.
So you're going like you first are going like is this a lesbian bar is that why he can't go be seen in there.
But then once he gets into the main venue.

(01:06:36):
Okay now there's a bunch of guys hanging out with the chicks and then I counted three.
I actually counted not counting the four guys on stage with the band.
I counted three dudes that were in that crowd.
Okay so still we're still on possible lesbian bar but but yeah it's bartender greets him by name welcomes him hands him a drink he didn't even order he has a usual at this place.

(01:07:07):
He can't be seen there.
Yeah yeah that was kind of.
All right.
And then the music cuts and everyone laughs at him calling her sexy.
A scene that makes you cringe and embarrassed for the character is always effective and that one gets me every time I've ever seen this movie.

(01:07:28):
I have never not felt that embarrassment when that happens.
So I really like that.
Right back into Mr. Little going to a small strutty group, otherwise known as an orgy.
Every line he had was dynamite.
Every single line he had was absolutely dynamite.

(01:07:50):
But then when he makes her wear the pregnant belly before going to the party.
Once again if I ever wind up being a dad, I want it.
I want it.
I want to have that I want to have that at my disposal I want to have that be like, all right, when my when little girl comes and brings a man over, I want him to wear it, just so be like, yeah, so if this happens.

(01:08:19):
This is what she's going to make me can you feel bad about you doing to her.
No, oh my god. Oh how epically hilarious I would be with that even if it was just epically hilarious to myself, I would dominate life with a pregnant belly.
I mean, a wearable pregnant belly.
It's not it's not the worst strategy I've ever heard for sure.

(01:08:40):
Yeah, it would be so much fun.
I mean, it's definitely better than making your kid go through a venereal disease textbook.
I mean, that's, you know, that's far more traumatizing.
That is that that is traumatizing and still affect it is very effective.
I still remember all lot of those images.
They're never going to leave my mind and it was a very, very effective deterrent from unsafe sex.

(01:09:05):
So, as long as it's some form of sex education, go for it.
I honestly don't even care.
I don't even care.
But good. Sure. It's got any.
Anything at all.
Any any sex education at all.
Yeah, for sure.
No. And then whatever he's going through is like, I can't even remember everything he said.

(01:09:30):
I should have written it down.
But he goes over like all the rules and all the things are not allowed to do.
And he's like, I'm giving them ideas.
He's amazing.
He is absolutely amazing.
But the the getting ready scene and Gordon Levitt's and Krumholtz getting ready in the mirror
and everything that they're talking about just absolutely cracking me the hell up.

(01:09:55):
They're wearing like suits and getting ready to go to this party.
And he's like, you think I should wear that?
I should lose the ties.
He just how confident these two geeks are made my life. I loved it.
It was too good, especially especially Krumholtz.

(01:10:18):
Then getting to the party.
That one dude, kiss me.
Or that one girl, kiss me.
Kiss him.
And he passed off like, thanks, man.
And then we get that running gag of the guy just continuously trying to thank Ledger for hooking up with somebody to make out with.
Right. Yeah.
It's so unnecessary, but very so funny, man.

(01:10:43):
Yeah, it makes me wonder, like considering all the things, I'm wondering if someone had like if there was like another script that was just full of like random teenage jokes, teenage high school jokes that someone was like, here's my specs.
Because the teenage comedy romance thing is kind of popular in the 90s.
You know, here's my spec script on that.

(01:11:05):
And then someone else came along and was like, what if we did Taming the Shrew?
And so they just basically took a bunch of random other stuff and just found places to shove it in in the taming of the Shrew script.
And then because some of these things were so random, but they worked really well to just add to this movie.
But they seemingly come out of nowhere.
I'm not going to say that that's impossible, but I kind of doubt it.

(01:11:29):
Yeah, they fit too tightly together.
Okay, I see what you're saying.
But these all come from random characters.
That's the thing is like, like this doesn't happen to Krumholtz or.
No, I know.
But the way that it feeds into how everything goes, and especially considering that all like, because so many of these actors in this went on to be writers and directors of their own projects and all of this.

(01:11:59):
There was a lot of creativity bouncing around on that set.
I bet there was an ass ton of improv of these people.
Okay, I see what you're saying.
Let's just kind of see what happens here.
Okay, I can see that, sure.
Then Keegan taunts Stiles about her sister.
And then that one dude comes in.
Fight! And then Keegan.
Ew!

(01:12:21):
Fight!
The way he said that.
Like, oh my god, dude, that.
That might be the most California, like the SNL skit.
We're getting hit by the pill.
Well, kill.
We're gonna hit, we're gonna get hit by a five.
No, like that SNL skit of the Californians, that sounded like it belonged in that skit.

(01:12:44):
And I'm probably going to be watching that as I go to sleep tonight, because there's no way I'm not going to be able to think of that.
Right, yeah.
Which again is just kind of one of those like, wait, this movie does not take place in Southern California.
It takes place in Seattle, apparently.
Which I don't know how different that was in the 90s.
I really didn't you live up in Seattle at one point?

(01:13:08):
No, no, that wasn't me.
Thinking of somebody else.
All right.
Stiles gets trashed and Ledger is wildly confused over like, wait a minute, where did this personality come from?
What is happening here?
What is doing all this?
And that scene when Gordon Levitt finds Bianca and she just throws Gabrielle Union in front of her.

(01:13:30):
Like, be interested in her.
Like, damn, dude, I felt so horrible for him.
Like they did.
And as they're doing that walk away where Keegan is dragging Bianca away and Gordon Levitt just has like those sad puppy eyes and he's longingly looking after her.

(01:13:51):
I'm like, oh, don't be a dick movie.
I remember moments like that.
Oh, man, I was a sad puppy dog as a kid.
I was, man.
I was lovesick.
Like, oh, you wouldn't believe.
Oh, I can believe.
Yeah, no, I was there, too.

(01:14:12):
Well, you were a crushed slut.
I don't know if you were lovesick.
I don't know.
But that's the thing.
I was I was I was deeply in love with all of you.
I was a lovesick puppy, but it was times 30 because it was with 30 different girls.
OK, all right.
Me like it may.
OK, I'm not going to say it was just one woman that it ever happened to add like at a time, I guess.

(01:14:37):
Like, no, I can remember back like, let's see, ninth grade.
No, I had a crush on these women.
Tenth grade, I had a crush on these women.
No. OK, so no, it wasn't like I was monogamous with my unrealistic expectations as a child.
You know, it kind of it kind of it kind of sailed.

(01:14:58):
The hurt looks and a lot of banks from that one make out guy.
And I should have looked this up.
But was this before or after Save the Last Dance?
Do you do you know?
I don't actually.
Yeah, because watching watching styles on that with all the dancing and everything like that, it's like that's really funny because either the movie right before this or the movie right after this is her learning to dance like that.

(01:15:29):
So nice.
I was kind of a cool little nod to the era.
Yeah. When Gordon Levitt tries to call it off and Ledger comes in with heavy and healthy advice.
Because and here's the thing is he tells me is like this good looking muscular whatever guy.

(01:15:51):
He's not half the man you are.
And that is really one of the better messages of this movie.
Doesn't matter what you look like.
Doesn't matter how much money you have.
Like when it comes to like being just a person, a healthy, responsible, good person, doesn't matter how you look.
It's all about how you act and who you are and how you do.
So watching him come in and just be that level of good friend.

(01:16:16):
The movie needed a moment like that and delivered at the movie.
It really did.
It was it was interesting though because what I thought in and here's where I don't know if we need to if we can put this entirely on the movie or if it's a combination of them.
Excuse me.
The movie and Heath Ledger because with with this, you know, Peter character, you know, this version of Petruchio.

(01:16:44):
This is kind of a weird out of left field version because everywhere up until this point, he's been the vandal.
He's been the you know, the guy who like doesn't say much and what he does say is usually pretty acidic, you know, kind of a you know, he knows that because he's a mysterious kind of brooding dude.
Everyone's kind of afraid of him and he's kind of OK with it, likes to play into it, likes to, you know, shove shop drills into textbooks of people who just walked up to him.

(01:17:11):
Like this is the kind of guy he is.
And all of a sudden in this moment on this night at this party, he does a complete 180 and he is a caregiver to Julia Styles and a really good friend to Joseph Gordon Levitt out of nowhere.
And yet somehow it wasn't weird in that moment.
It really wasn't because that he's kind of the dad figure of the younger people.

(01:17:38):
Leave him alone, doesn't want to be bothered, everything like that.
But any time it comes up to him actually needing to do the right thing, he does the right thing every single time.
And it kicks him in the tenders quite a bit.
But we were talking last episode about like what when like as being raised with the kind of messages over what to be a man.
That's what it is.
OK.

(01:17:59):
You just you are supposed to do the right thing for your people, no matter what.
Doesn't matter what happens to you.
Your problems don't matter.
You got to do the right thing for them.
And that's I like that about his character.
Like he was a role model of a character.
Yeah, OK.
I think.
But then again, very, very, very subjective.

(01:18:22):
Bianca Bayl.
So attacking freshmen with drill bits.
OK, got it.
They're books.
And they weren't freshmen.
They were juniors or seniors.
Because one of them had to be old enough to go to prom and be and take Bianca.
So he had to at least be a junior.

(01:18:44):
OK, OK.
But it was also his book.
Whatever.
Bianca Bayl's on Keegan and then Union Bayl's on Bianca.
Oh, what a cold moment.
And yeah, pretty sure I can remember a moment like that happening back in the day, too.
Seriously, man, we all suck when we are kids.

(01:19:09):
Like just kids and teenagers, they just like that is like just us being the worst of ourselves.
And this movie does a good job of reflecting that.
The drives.
That's what I thought was interesting about it.
And we see this happen in a lot of teenage movies and a lot of romance movies in general, but especially the teen romance ones that change over that Bianca goes through where she's being Gaga, being selfish.

(01:19:33):
And she's all over the you know, the pretty, you know, rich guy.
And then in the course of this party, she comes to realize that he's actually a big douche.
She doesn't really like him very much.
And now she's seeing the value of Joseph Gordon Levitt's character that he's like, he's actually been nice to her.
He's actually, you know, yeah, this is a realistic transition.

(01:19:55):
Every teenage girl goes through this transition.
However, the problem is, is that it doesn't take the course of two hours in a party to for this transition to take place.
It actually takes place through their 20s.
This this realization doesn't happen until they're at least 26 years old.
As much as I want to say, you're right.

(01:20:17):
I do believe that it happens for some younger.
I do believe that not ever all of them figure it out because I mean, like I have said, women are human beings just like men, dude.
Like you like not all of them.
You cannot generalize a whole gender and say they do all thing good, bad, otherwise just can't be done.

(01:20:42):
So I see the healthy ones because, yeah, you want it to last a little bit.
You want it to last a little bit of time.
You want to have the healthy rebellion at the healthy time and you don't want it to last too long.
Like, so I think it's ideal for that type of shedding and figuring out these things to happen through the course of your 20s.

(01:21:05):
I think it's ideal.
But man, no too many people that it doesn't go that way.
But moving forward, the drives home.
Ledger won't let her kiss him because she's too drunk.
Yeah.
Good call, man.
Good guy.
Good guy moment.

(01:21:26):
Good call moment and funny.
I mean, I have to say it like this because my wife brought this up while we were watching that.
She was like, OK.
Yeah, I was like, see, people do that.
She's like, you wouldn't hook up with me when I was drunk and we were engaged.

(01:21:47):
And I'm like, it's still.
Yeah.
You know, because you know why?
Here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
Because we know because we know there is a 50 50 chance that come morning, you're going to be embarrassed at what you did and you're going to blame us for it.
So we're not going to roll that dice anymore.

(01:22:10):
We're done.
All right.
You get it.
You get it.
No, I stopped messing with drunk women a long time ago.
I was like, no, that was that was an early 20s game.
But then, like in my mid 20s, I wound up in like a five year relationship.
So when I got out of that, I was like, I'm not in that place anymore.

(01:22:31):
So even when I was still like the single guy, I'd go to the bars and all that.
No, no.
If I ever like a girl.
Oh, my God.
I was out at the bar one night and we were like bar was shutting down as relieving the not at the same time.
But like this woman came up and I started hitting on me, I was like, no, no, no, no, no.
And then another one came up and started doing the same thing.

(01:22:52):
And I was like, just hell no.
You are drunk.
And this dude's like, I don't think I've ever seen a guy turn down a woman in this bar.
And I was like, there's always tomorrow, man.
And I'm right.
All I really wanted to say was I am not that fucking desperate, man.
But it's like, yeah, but my mind was kind of blown by the fact that he said he's never seen a guy turn down a woman in that bar.

(01:23:19):
That is. Yeah.
It's not very.
That's kind of disheartening.
That's a little disheartening.
Yes. To hear that.
Yeah. Oh, OK.
I was like, how can it be disheartening to turn down a woman like that?
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
Yeah.
That's just me being an idiot. I'm still turkey tired, man.

(01:23:42):
And that does like equal like I swear to God, Xanax or something.
But I loved Gordon Landis, standing up for himself.
And I loved Bianca's honesty because he's like, have you been selfish your whole life?
And she's like, yeah.
Oh, this is an honest conversation.

(01:24:05):
We are I'm seeing some vulnerability.
This is enjoyable.
And then as he's going into his like, I stuck up for you.
I did this.
And he really nailed it with the I learned French for you.
And then she went in for the kiss.
And I was like, oh, my God.
Watching that kind of honesty and the vulnerability and seeing them like connect in that way, that made me super happy.

(01:24:31):
And when she gets out of the car and he's like, just in shock and then back in the game, man, there are so many lines in this movie that just stuck in my head for like forever.
I really I too many good ones.
Everyone mock styles as she's coming back into the classroom and the teach bus out that Shakespeare.

(01:24:57):
And I love that he kind of like raps the Shakespeare because it works.
Yeah, very well.
He does that. He does that meter. Yeah.
No, no, absolutely.
But you've got to admit, styles getting sent to the office because she's not arguing.
I don't know what game you're playing, but I am playing.

(01:25:21):
Get out. No, I absolutely love that.
I can't get enough of you, baby.
Oh, no, no, no. Oh, God. No, no, no. Sorry. Sorry.
I was thinking too good to be true.
But the I can't get enough of you, baby, playing as Bianca is walking by.
This literally was like the soundtrack to me being 12.

(01:25:44):
I'm not I'm not getting so much of it.
But then Krumholtz puts up putting the moves on Susan May Pratt.
I literally have in parentheses here.
Guaranteed Doc loves her, especially in this moment.
Guaranteed it.
I know when you watch. Am I that predictable?

(01:26:06):
Over the course of God, how many movies? What is this?
I don't know. Over the course of like 100 movies that we have covered.
Don't you think maybe?
I mean, I think I figured a little a thing or two out.
I mean, there there was there was some curious things about her because this is like maybe the fourth time that we've seen her pop up in in the movie as as a cat's friend.

(01:26:33):
But we get nothing about her other than she's cat's friend.
And she's there to she is a slightly more.
Yeah, she she looks slightly more extreme than cat does, but in the same vein, you know, she's less extreme.
And that's the thing. I enjoyed it. Yeah.
So she and you'll have like one line here or there, which are basically just for cat to play off of.

(01:27:00):
She's there as a as just a foil for cat when she needs one.
And then this is the first time we get to see her character. And it's like, oh, it turns out underneath all of this, you know, I hate everyone and everything.
There's a love for Shakespeare that is so deep that all Krumholtz has to do is quote one line at her.

(01:27:26):
And she's fucking his.
He goes a little bit further, but, you know, it does start the conversation. I will give you that. And it does kind of simplify that character a little bit.
They could have done better. I will give you that. But I still love that character, even though I got almost none of that character.
So I can't say they didn't do a good job.
This this also.

(01:27:51):
She kissed me where in the car that look on Ledger's face, I swear to God, he stole this movie just with his reactions to lines.
No, really. Yeah.
Also, young, young boy Bradley watching this movie for the first time did not understand that joke.

(01:28:14):
In fact, I may not have understood that joke until this time.
It's I could see that. Yeah, sure. It's been OK.
In my defense, it has been a while since I've seen like since I watched the movie.
So I got to give myself that rips down another sign and just tears into the idea of prom.
And even her friend is kind of done with the intentionally not having fun.

(01:28:39):
It's like, oh, something different for us.
Like, even she's kind of over it a little bit. She's like, I don't know. I kind of.
You know, it's a memory. It's like you see her kind of like warming up to the idea a little bit.
And I like that.
Kelly swears that this is the reason there is no longer archery in high school.

(01:29:05):
They're doing the archery and she just gets distracted and right into the coach's ass.
Like, right. Yeah.
I wouldn't want it in my class anymore. I would tell you that much if that was something that happened.
Ledger tries to turn down the money, but winds up taking it.
And when you know why he winds up taking it, it turns into a really good moment.

(01:29:30):
But while you're watching it, you struggle with it.
At least I did. And I still and I still tried to go into that.
But also at the same time, well, and here's the dilemma here, too.
And this is an actual real life, like moral dilemma kind of thing where we do have like there's you want to do the right thing.

(01:29:53):
Like in his mind, he's sitting there going like, no, I actually do like Kate now and I do want to date her, but I'm not doing it for your filthy money because that that's what sullies this.
That's what makes this a lie. That's what makes this bullshit.
It's the integrity. But at the same time, when you see that huge wad of cash waved in front of your face and you're thinking to yourself, man, that money would come in handy.

(01:30:17):
And I was going to try and date her anyway. So like, yeah, I can take this money and I can date her with this money.
Like you do see why he rationalizes it. And it doesn't actually break his character in any way.
It doesn't break his character. You can see the struggle it is for with him. You can get it.
And yeah, it is kind of uncomfortable scene to watch, but that's because you understand why he's uncomfortable accepting it while not at the same time.

(01:30:46):
You're not like, that's it. Fuck him. This character is an asshole.
There you go. I like that moment where they go to the guitar shop and he sees her and he almost approaches her, but then he decides to leave her alone and let her have her time.
I like that. It kind of showed that he understood her character a little bit better. I thought that was a good inclusion.
But then the face off in the bookstore and the fact that as they're going through this whole argument, he starts it off talking about how he lost his copy of the feminine mystique.

(01:31:17):
And the thing that ends the argument is she shoves a new copy of the feminine mystique right in his chest.
That was great. That was fantastic. I thought that was a wonderful inclusion.
But then when from Holts is telling him like, you got to like frost rate yourself and put yourself on the line for the the the sun is setting on the scape of love.

(01:31:45):
Yeah, whatever. Like she's mad because she's mad because she's embarrassed, not just that she humiliated herself at the party, but she humiliated herself to him.
He was she, you know, whether it was, you know, angry at her dad or there was a drinking maybe a combination of all three.
He's like completely lost her tough girl persona and humiliated herself right in front of him.

(01:32:10):
Yeah. And so Krumm-Holz is saying like, look, you need to even the odds. You need to regain the power.
You need to read. You need to read even up the power balance by completely embarrassing yourself in front of her.
But the best part about that is like the way he says it and like he says it in like iambic pentameter, like he goes back and gives some Shakespearean dialogue with it.

(01:32:32):
And he goes like, dude, don't say shit like that to me because people can hear you. And then as soon as he says that, Gordon Levitt says something.
And then Krumm-Holz says, dude, don't say shit like that to him. People can hear you.
Dude, Krumm-Holz, I don't know who stole this show more.
Like, I'm sorry, Alice and Janie, Heath Ledger, Krumm-Holz, Gordon Levitt.

(01:32:58):
How could you have been bored in this movie? I was having so much fun with this.
I do get what you're saying. And maybe it is because it was like the fourth or fifth time I've seen the movie and it wasn't all as fresh and new and exciting.
Maybe that was it. So I imagine, yes, for a first time viewing, this probably was a lot more exciting.

(01:33:20):
But yeah, no, I don't know how to explain it. I was just, you know, maybe it was just a bad day for me because I was bored with a lot of the stuff I was watching this week.
And you know what? Sometimes we have those times. But when he goes to sing, you're just too good to be true.
And nails it. Yeah. By the way, was that him singing? Because the oh my God, that was good.

(01:33:48):
I don't think that was the original. I mean, I don't know. I'm not familiar enough with the original to know.
Oh, no, it definitely wasn't the original recording of the song. No, he wasn't lip syncing. That's for sure.
But yeah, whether or not it was actually, I mean, his character wasn't lip syncing.
But I think the nice touch of like first he does the he steals the intercom and he starts the singing, but then he's bribed the marching band to start out and start praying for him.

(01:34:20):
And I remember and I remember thinking to myself watching this like that is the crux of all romance movies, not just teen romance movies, but all romance movies to be able to have the money to do to have Hollywood money to do your
courtship. That's that's that's where that's where the real magic is to be able to because when you because when you're you know when you are thinking like what would be a fantastic date, I could hire a marching band.

(01:34:48):
I don't have that. That's that's crazy. Don't do that. But in the movies, he hires the marching band and it works.
Well, okay, so let's let's be real here. If you're in high school and the marching band is already practicing, it probably is not going to take too much of a bribe just to change the location of their practice.
I it was more realistic than I think what you're giving it credit for.

(01:35:13):
Because, I mean, it's just band practice. It wasn't actually hiring a marching band.
Okay, I see your point there. I see your point there.
That's what kind of grounds it and I like that.
That detention scene. A little bit of brilliance, a lot of awkwardness, but I love when he's going to that sweating dude I like everybody that I, a lot of people that I know they will always remember this scene and they will call this scene out when they talk about the movie.

(01:35:46):
You're sweating. You've got pot, don't you?
It's too funny.
So he's confiscates the guy's weed, then he confiscates the next guy's Cheetos.
I'm not getting this.
This too.
Oh my god that that kills me.

(01:36:10):
It's not easy to really like drive it home to the way he picks up those Cheetos like he stops at the desk. Yes, and his. He does it so slowly, like, it's just a bear just it takes him a full almost a full minute to just slowly place his hand on those cheos doesn't even grab them doesn't pick

(01:36:31):
them up. It's just, just the very lightest of like that just just barely enough force to actually hold on to it and lift it off the table and bring that and go, and these two like gingerly.
That's how I would describe that took, but that was yeah that was one of those things where it's like there were decisions made here that no sane person would make, and they worked perfect.

(01:36:57):
I loved it. I don't know. I loved it.
How he gets out of detention, when styles comes in and tries to distract the coach with misdirection.
That that might be the singular scene that may not age very well in this movie. That might be the one. Yeah, if I'm if I'm going to put one on it, it would be that one.

(01:37:25):
But the way she ends that she's like, now I've shown you the plan.
I'm gonna go show the plan to someone else.
So literally she's like, did she just say she was going to go flash somebody else now.
Like that is she basically basically did like no.
I like almost she almost implied that she was going to go flash the entire soccer team is basically what she was saying.

(01:37:49):
It was. It was funny. I can't I can't.
But I really, a really good character moment that is kind of showcased in the dialogue is the way that he asks styles. So what's your excuse for acting like we do.

(01:38:11):
Yeah, I thought that was an interesting take. Yeah, that one word that one word that the including himself into we're acting out not.
Why are you the way you are?
Like, so just why are you like me? I can tell you why I'm like you that one word, man.

(01:38:33):
That was that was an incredibly smart way to go.
And it does go to show where his his attraction to her comes from is because in this whole action of, you know, trying to basically, you know, date this girl for money because the rich guy wants to date her sister like it.
It's not just the fact that, you know, he's finding kinship and like, oh, yeah, I love Emily Bronte to or any of that bullshit. No, it's like, oh, I, I get you like your whole thing.

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Like, we're we're kind of on the same vibe. He's going like, we are we are two of the same people who, you know, are both kind of angry at the world and doing our thing. And like, it's a kinship.
He understands he sees some and it's not so much that he understands her. He actually thinks that if given an opportunity, she might understand him. And that appeals to him more than anything.

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And that scene where they're clearing up rumors about each other and just letting each other ask questions about whatever they want to get into. Like, what do you want to have cleared up? And I really appreciate that.
But the one thing he doesn't clear up, she's like, I know the year and porn was a lie. He's like, do you? And then he doesn't clear it up. Not until like four scenes later.

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I thought I thought that was cool to kind of just let that linger.
Yeah. Well, you know what? Here's the thing. I understand where his thinking is on that because I've been there. Like I.
I literally one time I made and I thought like I thought it was an obvious like years ago, early days of Internet dating. And I put on my my profile. I made a joke about having been in porn, which in my mind, I thought obviously anybody who reads that would know that that was a joke.

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I was wrong when I'm out on a date with a girl who on the first date goes, honestly, did you do porn? And I was like, and they took me a moment to go like, the fuck are you talking about? Because I had even forgotten I put that joke on there.
And so then I was like, oh, and there really literally was a moment in my head when I went.

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Maybe we shouldn't answer this question directly. Maybe we should be vague about this.
Oh, Jesus Christ, Doc. Yeah, it was the first date.
I was it is an answer. If somebody asks you if you've done porn, Ray, you say yes. I'm sorry. You don't actually say yes. I just had to do. I just see you get it. You get it right.

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No, that was nothing but a Ghostbusters joke. Come on, man. No, no, no, I I've never been asked that question, but the answer would be no.
Like, I mean, it doesn't matter what you say, even if you recorded yourself, the answer is still no.

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If you have not done for I'm not entertaining this conversation we're talking about. No, no, no, no. All right. You're getting really upset about it all of a sudden.
Because I know how tired I am and I know how easily I'm going to be able to get roped into conversations and how the combination is not going to go well for me.

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She questions his motives. I'm getting back to the movie. She questions his motives and like storms off and Bianca and Gordon Levitt's angry French lessons about, I don't know, maybe you get your head out of your ass.
And he's just rushing through the book like, I don't know where we're at. Oh, my God. I was dying over that. That was killing me.

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Which also, by the way, still has the hole in it. So it's absolutely the joke stays intact, even though the book does not. Yes. And it's weird because her French is really good.
I'm wondering why she needed a tutor because I did. I took Spanish for six years and I could not say any of those sentences in Spanish.

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Dude, did you pay attention in Spanish?
Look, I'm not the one on trial here.
I took one year of Spanish and I have conversations. I have full conversations with people. What the hell happened? Six years. Did that extend into actually no six years. How did you do it?

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Oh, in college, starting in junior high. No, starting in junior high all the way through high school.
Huh. And we didn't even have foreign language options until high school. So, okay. Huh. I would have loved to have done that a little bit younger, to be honest.
The talk with Larry Miller, the dad, and him on the exercise equipment when he launches it off into the neighbor and then at the end of the scene where it comes back in, he's like into the hot tub. Thanks, Bill.

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Hilled me. Everything about that is like, no, I'm done with the 411. I'm a G. I get it. No, my mama didn't raise no fool.
Love it. Love every word. Love every piece. Perfection.
Absolutely.
The sister talk. I'm curious what you thought about the sister talk, actually, because Stiles confesses that her and Joey, Keegan's character, hooked up when they were in like ninth grade, when they were like 14.

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And Bianca just doesn't take it as well as anybody thought, I think.
Well, I mean, she seems to she seems to be understanding up until we get to the point where she she asks Kat, why didn't you ever mention any of this before? And Kat's response was, I guess I was protecting you.

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And I'm sorry, but that is a shit response.
Like, there's a lot a lot of very good reasons why she didn't want to bring it up. Maybe, you know, because all of these conversations about Joey were in front of dad for starters, maybe that's a really good reason.

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And yeah, like, would you know, she could even say, like, if I had told you, would you have believed me before now? Like when you were Gaga over him and thought and thought the you know, the sun rose and set at his command, would you probably would have called me a liar?
Where I do understand where you're coming from. This is a teenager's perspective. So I actually can buy that she thought she was being protective.

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Also, also could be true. Yes, I could see that as well. That's but yeah, I don't was having this conversation. No, I'd be 100% on the like on board with you.
But from a teenager's perspective, and the mom is gone and the older sister kind of has to be strong and tough and a little bit unaffected by the world to be a symbol of strength for the little sister.

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I kind of see where she's coming from, because protecting her from that makes a little sense a little more sense.
But also, also at the same time, I it's like I can see you, I wouldn't say that Bianca's reaction is unreasonable because yeah, like, especially if she's already got dad over going overboard and protecting her. Now she's finding out sisters also quote unquote protecting her by keeping a secret about the guy that she's into that as she was harboring these feelings for this guy, she basically embarrassed herself and almost screwed it up with the guy that she's with now.

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Like, he's got a lot of reason to wish that she had never been into Joey. And now I get it. I just yeah, I give I give styles character a little bit more empathy and or a little bit more sympathy because that situation isn't as easy as we're sitting here being objective about.
I mean, yeah, and I think that's kind of what makes the scene so good is because there is there is kind of an equal balance of like, shame and righteousness going on between them and we're seeing very much a very genuine sisterly dynamic between these two and it gives their and again, way more than we see in the original.

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They like it. You can barely in the original Shakespeare. You can barely tell that their sisters, they're practically strangers who happen to share the same name in the play in this movie, though.
You can see that they are sisters. They've got history. They've got care. They've got misunderstanding. They care about each other despite their own wishes to do so.
Like there there is a lot. There's a lot more there than than needed to be even to tell the story, but really, really, really made the story better. Yeah.

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Then we go to the everybody bailing and jumping out for prom and the dad is watching the spray on bald cover up and just his interesting.
I love that. I that that one got me and styles is rushing off going to prom and he's just like, huh, funny.

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Doesn't care. Doesn't like not even a half a thought about her because honestly, she's probably going to go kill somebody if anything goes wrong.
So he doesn't really have to worry about her. He knows exactly how much of a psychopath she is.
He has to worry about the financial aspect of the fines of getting her from bail for murder.
Like. Little bit different concern over the two daughters.

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Then Gordon Levitt shows up just being dumbstruck at the beauty of the woman he's taking to prom.
And I love it, man. He's got he's got those eyes, man. He can get that.
Just I'm going to be adorable. I'm going to fall in love with you. Like, he's got it.
He always has. And oh, my God. Third Rock from the Sun.

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Oh, he crossed it. He's on Third Rock from the Sun.
He holds his own against John Lithgow for what, seven seasons?
Like starting when he was like 12. I know, right?
Like this kid, I mean, there's times when I wonder if he actually was an alien because he was too fucking good for his age.
That's true. And all of those instruments that he played on the show, he actually is that good.

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He is. No, you're Joseph Gordon Levitt.
He does deserve the fame that he has a writer, director, musician, actor.
He is a performer and he does deserve it. Hands down.
Styles apologizes for questioning his motives and.
Oh, ouch. Although that had to hurt. That had to make that hurt even more.

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What's up? Real, real quick, though, I do want to go back and just say that that was the one disappointment is that while, yes,
it made sense when Bianca rushes them out.
I wish there had been more of Joseph Gordon Levitt versus Larry Miller, like to see that to see that conflict of the overprotective father

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and the actual good, genuine, pure, like literally if he had to choose who was going to date his daughter, he would pick this kid.
But he's not going to because he's overprotective father.
So he's going to he's going to put the screws to him.
I would have liked to see like just 30 seconds more of that.
That's that's all. But but yeah, Bianca is just like just as he's putting his hand out to say, like, nice to meet you, sir.

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She grabs his hand, doesn't even let him shake hands with her dad and yanks him out the door, which makes sense.
Perfectly realistic. I think you're missing something.
I just wish he about that.
If he had been a scumbag, he would have tried to impress her dad with him and everything like that and try to put it.

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But the fact that she didn't try that at all with her dad kind of told him that that's an OK, too.
Oh, interesting.
So the fact that there wasn't that scene is what made that scene.
OK, OK, I see what you're saying there. I did not see it like that. I see what you're saying, though. OK. All right.

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But when when Keegan shows up and then just gets the angry, just deadpan door in the face from Larry Miller. Outstanding.
That was great. Not even a go fuck yourself. Yeah, nothing, nothing.
Just oh, no, this is a douchebag. I can tell this is a douchebag and just oh, yeah, no, loved it.
The geeks get together and that was amazing.

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She shows up in the Shakespearean dress and they point to the stage and Bill William is up on the stage.
No, you're right. He basically cosplayed as the person she's obsessed with.
And that was all it took. You're I hate to I hate to dog the character that much.
But you are right. I don't know why I love that character.

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I don't know why I like that character as much as I did. They there really is no reason.
Somehow Ledger was able to call in a favor and got her favorite band.
And then Union shows up and tells Bianca about the bet to get into Bianca's pants.
And when Styles finds out about being paid and all like all this stuff, there was some real pain there.

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Like that that translated onto me. I felt that.
So I got to give serious credit to that.
But when the dancing geeks, they dance over to kind of tell what's happened.
The shit if half hit it, the fan.
Yeah, right. I don't know how to properly convey how much I loved that line.

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I really don't. That was that was.
Everything David Krumholz did in this movie was an absolute scene stealing movement.
Oh, yeah. Everything he did.
Styles bolts and honestly, maybe not the best idea for Ledger to have gone in for that kiss.
I thought that was a bad idea.

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I don't even remember that bit like she's like she's trying to leave.
She's the other everything like that.
He's trying to explain it, but she turns and she just grabs her head, gives her a kiss and she's like, oh, right.
Right. Yeah. Goes down the stairs.
It's like, yeah, I would have maybe skipped that one.
But you kind of see Ledger's point like just one more kiss. I can like it felt like a very like desperate romantic type of thing.

(01:53:35):
Still the wrong call. Not movie wise, character wise movie wise.
It definitely you felt it.
Oh, God.
Bianca double punching Keegan, picking him in the nuts and then costing him his nasal spray job and then everybody at the prom just dancing around him.

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You know what I really appreciated this movie didn't have?
What prom king and queen?
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
That's that's a rare thing, especially for a teen romance that's almost always a thing.
Yeah, they didn't they didn't even bother with with that on this. Yeah.
And and yeah, and I did and I did appreciate that sort of like, you know, you know, the role reversal of Joseph Gordon-Levitt gets dropped on the ground and Bianca is the one who turns around, clocks the guy and even gives him two more.

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She was she's like, that was for making my date bleed.
This is for my sister and this one's for me.
Like, actually, it's both Gordon-Levitt and Horowitz Horowitz.
What the hell?
David, how did I just forget his name?
Krumholz. Yeah.
Oh, my God. I wanted to call him Horowitz.

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I Thanksgiving brain, man.
I am not on it.
My heart melted when they were going sailing.
That made me very, very happy.
Like that was that was really Bianca and Gordon-Levitt at the end of the movie.
They're going sailing because there's a there's that moment earlier in the was like you didn't want to go sailing with me.

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So, yeah, I did. He's like, no, you didn't.
She's like, well, no, not actually.
It's like, well, then why did you just say that?
Like, no. And then they're actually going sailing and like they seem like they're going to be a super cute couple.
Like I like I love it.
I had the warm and fuzzies at the end of the movie.

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I'm not even going to play the dad accepting her going to Sarah Lawrence.
I mean, it really made me really happy.
Like I was very feel good moment again, admitting how hard it is to become a spectator in your child's life.
That felt like a wildly powerful perspective.
I mean, I don't even have kids, but that felt like an incredible perspective.

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Well, I mean, it's an interesting one.
And I and I kind of get it.
But also at the same time, like it wasn't that, you know, man, your kids are so independent.
It ain't it can't be the same man.
That's the thing is like I was I was becoming I was especially I mean, let's totally be honest here, too.
Also, like I was the noncustodial parent.

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So I kind of had to be a spectator in their lives starting when they were like two years old.
So I had to get used to it pretty quick.
So, OK, I guess, yeah, I had a little bit more time to get accustomed to that idea.
But yeah, I do kind of I do kind of get it.
And I did appreciate like even at the end when when, you know, she gets she realizes that he's he's saying you can go to Sarah Lawrence.

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And he's like, I already sent him a check.
And it's kind of that whole like, oh, God, you remember, do you remember a time where somebody could literally like a middle class dad, single dad could send a college a check to pay for tuition?
For he was not middle class. He was a maternity ward doctor.
OK, he was up there. OK. But yes, even that even back in the 90s, the middle class was big.

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OK, that's that's a very good point. But yes, yeah, being able to just write a check for tuition. You know, yeah, that was those were the good old days.
But but yeah, the interesting thing is because for him, he's sitting there admitting saying like, look, I have always known that all of these arguments that we've been having about the dating, about college, about, you know, even about you crash in the car.

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Like, I have known from day one, I'm going to lose. But the only way I know how to show you that I care is by fighting it.
And it is it is kind of a beautiful moment.
Like, I definitely thought it was. But the teacher mocks Keegan for getting caught.

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I love that man. And I love I love the teacher. Now, this is just I get this is racial comedy, but I love when a black actor or a black character calls a white character shaft.
It's dumb. It's crazy. It's the student. I don't I don't know why. I just love it. I love when black black characters reference white characters as black characters.

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I don't know why that is like that just seems like one of the funniest.
It's oh it always lands. It never doesn't. But then style steps up to read that poem. And this is what I was talking about earlier. She was not supposed to cry at this moment.
She was supposed to get up, read the poem, make direct eye contact with Ledger's character and then go sit back down.

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Right. But she got up and she absolutely tanked herself emotionally while she was singing this and it made that a top here scene was a fantastic moment.
And it will never die.
For any for any reason that this movie may stand the test of time. That is the scene that will never die.

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No, for sure. Yeah. And that and that is a really, really well written poem about, you know, that.
Well, yeah, she reads a very loving poem about how much she hates everything about him.
Yet all in all, she hates nothing about the overall man.
Right. What a poem. What a sentiment.

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Like that is.
I liked it. It worked on me. Yeah, got me.
And then closing the movie on he used Keegan's money to buy her a guitar for a future band.
It's like, you know, you can't just buy me an instrument every time.
It's like, you know, there's a drum set and then maybe one day a tambourine.

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Dude, this movie was so charming. Yeah.
This is one of the most charming movies.
Yes, there are. There are beautiful moments to it.
Well, for me to like watching it again this time, like I kind of like clued in on because this was.
And I hadn't realized it that this one fell in there.
This was one of those things that like I used when I was a teenager, I would complain about 80s movies about this is a 90s movie that now as an adult,

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I'm complaining about it in the exact same way on how the crux of so, so, so, so many romance movies are.
The guy is lying to a chick to get her to date him.
Then she finds out it's a lie.

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And just by fear, luck, the time that he was like lying to her,
he enjoyed that time so much that she's willing to forgive the fact that it was all a lie,
but she's not able to admit it until he buys her something really big and beautiful.

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Then she's able to forgive. Then she's able to probably.
That is that is 99 percent of the romance movies made in the 80s and 90s.
Oh, I the unfortunate part is I think you're right.
It just sucks that you're right.
All right. Welcome to my world.
Oh, fair enough. Final thoughts on 10 Things I Hate About You.

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Final thoughts about 10 Things I Hate About You.
I struggle whether or not to say this is a must see.
Because it is it is iconic.
But like I said, like I kind of and again, it may have just been a bad day for me.
I really kind of had a hard time sticking with it in this viewing.

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And again, we are talking about Shakespeare here.
Like maybe it's not so much that this thing needs to be reviewed.
Maybe it's time to do another one, because that's what we do with Shakespeare.
Shakespeare is constantly being remade every other year.
So maybe we need a new 2025 version of Taming of the Shrew.
And that's what and that's what will be.
I guarantee it's coming. I guarantee it's already been made.

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The only reason we're not talking about it is because it's not as good as this one.
I mean, this was a very, very good one.
I the actors in it, I feel like they really sold it.
They did an absolutely fantastic job.
I was with the movie the entire time.

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It does sing to an era.
I got to give it that.
But at the same time, I don't think that's a bad thing.
I do. I do put it on the teen film must see list.
Like as far as teen films go, absolutely, absolutely.
Like I would like, I don't know, when my niece is like 16 or 17,

(02:03:15):
I will ask her if she's seen this.
And when she says no, I'll be like, and like do the whole, you know, I'm like the older person.
Like, how dare you haven't seen this type stuff to, you know, because that's that's like a rite of passage.
But and I'm going to sit down. I don't know if I'll watch it with her.

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There's some moments. Right.
Yeah. The bratwurst thing is not something that you want to have.
Yeah, I don't want to know. I don't know if she's going to.
I don't like there.
There are jokes that I don't want to know if she's going to get.
You know what I mean?
Like if she's if she already gets that, it's just going to make me sad a little bit.
So I want to wait. Right.

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All right. So that's that's going to be 10 things I hate about you.
We're going to take a little bit of a break and then we'll come back with the 1933 film Ducksuit.
All right. You're ready for round two.
Ready for round two.
I feel like this one's going to be a rough one from the way you were talking earlier.

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I definitely don't have the same love for this one that I had for 10 things I hate about you.
That is absolutely to be sure.
So part two of tonight's episode is Duck Soup written by Burt Kalmar, Harry Ruby, Arthur Sheikman and Nat Perrin.

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Directed by Leo McCary, starring the Marx Brothers, Groucho, Harpo, Chico and Zeppo.
And this is the last role of Zeppo and the final film with all four of them together.
Is that why you chose this one?
No, no, I chose this one because like I said last week,
I figured I could get away with one Marx Brothers movie throughout the entire course of the season.

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And I chose this one because of a specific routine that I felt was, if we're talking media literacy,
and it is my goal here, the fact that this bit started here and has been recreated as ad nauseum for almost 100 years now, I think needs.
I definitely saw some birth of jokes, I think, considering this is 1933.

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This is probably a safe bet for where modern cinema got some of these.
For an explanation for the title, because it has nothing to do with the movie, Groucho Marx is quoted as saying,
Take two turkeys, one goose, four cabbages, but no duck. After one taste, you'll duck soup for the rest of your life.

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What does that have to do with this movie?
I had never heard that before.
See, here's the thing, like, and I mentioned this, and I mentioned this earlier, I mentioned this last week when I was talking about this movie.
What a Marx Brothers movie is about, what the title is, none of that matters.
It is just a showcase for Groucho, Harpo and Chico to do their thing.

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Everything else is just an excuse to get them there.
Okay, all right, fair enough. I will say I never, never in a million years, would have expected that you would bring a movie to the channel that was produced by the NRA.
With a special message, we do our part.

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I don't think it was produced by the NRA. I think that was just like, especially in the 30s, I think that was Paramount basically pandering,
in the same way that the NFL started doing the National Anthem after 9-11.
I think it was just some sort of weird sort of political pandering.

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I don't think the NRA actually put any money in this movie.
I did not find anything in my research on that one. I just know the movie opened with that.
Another little fun fact about this movie, it takes place in the town of Fredonia, which there is a town called Fredonia in New York.

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The country of Fredonia.
Oh, sorry, the country. But there's a town called Fredonia, New York that complained about them using the name of their town in their movie,
because it's like hurting the reputation of their town. Groucho Marx responded to them saying, you should change the name of your town, it's hurting our movie.
Right. Make no mistake, the Marx brothers were professional pricks. That was their whole thing.

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One of my favorite Marx brothers real life stories, not a bit in their movies, one of their real life stories, is a display of just that.
Like you think backing into someone's car is psychotic? These guys were certifiable when you hear about what they were doing, like around Hollywood during their heights.
Well, I know on this movie, they had one of the, I think it was extras, was talking about the dialogue in the movie and saying that these guys shouldn't be working in Hollywood, they should be arrested.

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One of the Marx brothers, pretty known for his mild temper, was going to beat the hell out of that guy, but the other brother stopped him like, no, no, no, no, no, I hired him. No, no, no, it's a joke that I started.
These guys were apparently kind of brutal. So apparently, so after this movie, after this movie, they switched studios.

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They were making for Paramount, and I guess after this movie was done, they got a new contract with MGM.
And I think that's where this happened, either that or when there was like a new manager at the studio they were at.
But some studio exec had to like, basically had heard rumors, these guys are hard to control. They're going to make movies with these guys. They are going to be near impossible to control.

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They're kind of out there. So he decided to pull a move. He decided that I'm going to pull a power move on the Marx brothers to get them in line.
I'm going to invite them into my office for a meeting, and I'm going to show up to that meeting 20 minutes late. You know, that classic corporate move.
Power move, yeah.
Yeah. So when he shows up to this meeting, he goes into his office. The Marx brothers have been waiting in there for 20 minutes. When he gets there, all four Marx brothers have taken every single piece of paper in his entire office, piled it into a pile in the middle of the office and lit it on fire and were dancing around it naked.

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That is what you get for trying to control the Marx brothers.
Okay, so these guys were either insane or just pricks.
Yes, like, yeah.
Or both.
Little bit of both of that. Yes. That's kind of what it that's kind of what it seemed like.
But right into this movie, the people, the people begging for money and from a character was it Teasdale, I think.

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And she was played by played by the venerable Margaret Dumont. Margaret Dumont is in every Marx Brothers movie. Every Marx Brothers movie has a wealthy widow that Groucho was trying to get his claws into.
And every single one of those wealthy widows is played by Margaret Dumont.

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And made a living out of being abused by the Marx Brothers.
Is every parent of hers is constantly ripe with fat jokes and everything like that about her?
Yep. Yep. That was that was her job is to be abused by Groucho Marx for like 12 movies.
I I'm not gonna lie, man. I felt bad. I felt bad for like some of those lines cut a little bit too. Wow.

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And she'll give it up for a change of power to Firefly, played by Groucho Marx.
And Doc, you're gonna have to run point on this. I don't even know how to cover this movie because all of my notes are just the jokes that they made.
Yes. Oh, God. Oh, God. What is this? Oh, God. Is that the pretty much I had to see what have you found out?

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I've given up on the revolution. I guess they're setting up a honey pot and then a time.
It's time for a song and the national anthem at 10 with ballet flower girls that are coming through.
Honestly, this this all of this is kind of a fun, kitschy early Hollywood scene. All that.
And it's yeah. And the joke is all of this pomp and circumstance for the arrival of the new dictator.

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And he doesn't arrive. And when he does arrive, he comes through another way and is like,
and then he finally goes to one of the guard, the one of the honor guards holding the sword waiting for the dictator arrive and goes, are you expecting somebody?
And the guard does. They're all holding their sword out.
And then he takes his cigar out and he holds his cigar like he's one of them with the sword.

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And they just like, oh, hey, there you are. And just jump right jumps right into it.
And. Some of these jokes are just fantastic.
Yeah, take a card. What should I do with it? I don't care. I have 51 left.
I might. Yeah.

(02:12:41):
And an expression that you have heard me use quite a few times over the history of our friendship.
My brain took a shit on itself.
I just didn't know. And that might be the proudest thing I've ever come up with, by the way.
But no, that that actually probably should be one of those things when we start making products to go in a mug or something like that.

(02:13:05):
But I think that is the only actual catchphrase I have.
But Jesus Christ, man, all of these lines.
Fall in a rapid fire, too. And then he sits there and does like six fast rapid fire insults to Mrs.
Teasdale in a row and then caps it off with, by the way, do you ever stop talking?

(02:13:29):
Oh, my God. Just like this is the movie of gaslighting.
One hundred percent like this is how you do it. My God.
But then that line that he says or when Teasdale is like, I hope you'll follow in my foot.
Steps like, God, I just got here and this lady's already coming on to me.
Like, oh, my God, that is the most wildly obvious joke.

(02:13:50):
And I don't think I've ever heard it.
Like, what?
OK, I'm going to run on my will you stop when you have something to talk about?
That's the only way I do this.
Will you marry me? And did your husband leave you any money? Answer the second question first.

(02:14:14):
My God.
This is one of those. That's the thing.
The only way that I would put this as a must see or recommend to go watch it is because I don't know how to talk about it.
Like, I just audacity of it. Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the thing is like whether it holds the test of time, probably not true.

(02:14:38):
But in my opinion, this is one of those things like right alongside Monty Python and the three stooges,
the Marx brothers are foundational of everything that we do in comedy today, whether we like it or not.
In my mind, I do agree with you.
It's still rough.
No, it just you know what? I'm not going to not going to argue with you on that one. Yeah.

(02:15:03):
That it's been a pleasure, but I can't stay long. Ah, an even greater pleasure.
That's what I got to try that line in real life someday. Honestly, the 90 percent of these lines would be amazing if you could actually pull them off in real life.
That's real.
Don't look now, but there's one too many in this room and I think it's you that that is a line that would be incredible to be able to pull off.

(02:15:26):
Apparently, he's a dancing show off and then I could dance with you to the cows come home.
Never mind. I could dance with the cows until you come home.
What? It just it just goes to show he's not just mean to Margaret DeMont.
He's mean to everybody.
But then the secretary pops up and he like sprints and runs away and he's terrified of his secretary.

(02:15:50):
That that got a good belly chuckle out of me going into another song singing about the irony of the land of the free rising taxes, the death penalty and them celebrating because it's so fun and distracting that it's like they're not even paying attention to the words he's actually saying.
Yep. Like if you think they're angry about high taxes, just wait until I'm done with them.

(02:16:11):
It's like, yeah, are you the last guy hearing what he's saying?
See, that's this song is why I thought you wanted to cover this.
Oh, no, no. Although it's like, honestly, I think I might just go ahead and go ahead.
I think I might just go ahead and put like upload a copy of that clip on the tick tock and just let it spread because everyone will be going just like, oh my God, it's the Trump administration.

(02:16:36):
Like, no, dude, it's just politics. This has been going on for a long time. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, sorry, sorry, man. No, this is actually a little bit more specific.
He starts the meeting about tariffs.
That's right. I'm sorry, man.
Like, yes, you are correct. This is some general politics, but it is crazy how close this is to everything we're looking at with the new president or with the president elect.

(02:17:05):
No, that's true. Yeah, that's literally I was watching this. My jaw was almost on the floor. I was like, okay, if this is why Doc wanted to do this, my God, that was fucking brilliant to connect these.
And honestly, I had forgotten all of that until I rewatched it. And yeah, no, it was just coincidence.
That is the wildest coincidence that we could have jumped in on because how closely similar that is to what is happening with the exact setups for all this.

(02:17:36):
And the crazy things is everything this guy is talking about is everything that is in the real world is being talked about.
But in this movie from the 1930s, they are using it as satire and talking about how ridiculous it is. And yet it's still working.
I was absolutely flabbergasted by that. I don't know how else to say it.

(02:18:05):
His Excellency's car and I'm sorry, the running gag of the motorcycle with the sidecar and that continuously taken off is like, God, I feel like I just left.
You're right. This movie is brilliant.
You're just right. You are just flat out correct.

(02:18:26):
But I still don't know.
It is just one of those things.
Fredonia should be under the Sylvania flag.
And like screaming for revolution.
Generally, just tossing a name in there.
Yeah, just do we just generally want to own this country, have it under ours. No reason.

(02:18:51):
It's just to further the plot. It's just to give motivation for me being the bad guy.
Like I said, the Marx Brothers movies work basically the same as porn.
We have the bit we want to do.
All the rest of it is just to get us to that bit, whether it makes it make and whether it makes sense or not.
OK, a very apt metaphor.

(02:19:12):
I wasn't ready for it, but that was perfect.
Ringing in the pocket.
We're full of you. Good.
Man. Oh, by the way, an additional fun fact on this one.
Benito Mussolini banned this film when he saw it because he thought that it was a specific political hit job on him.

(02:19:40):
And when the news reached the Marx Brothers, they celebrated like you wouldn't believe.
They're not all apparently the party was huge.
He gets mad because he can't read.
I what kind of just why? Why? Why?
And then just just pulls out the huge torch for the cigar.

(02:20:05):
Creeping on the lady and then the other marshals.
Ah, no, no, no, no.
And it's like, OK, so this guy's just a dog.
Not like he's a dog. No, no, no. He's literally like a schnauzer.
No, yeah, he's he's yeah, he's like he's an actual animal in a human suit.
Yes. Did you bring me his record?

(02:20:27):
And like, obviously, they're talking about his personal records like that.
But then he tosses a record up in the air and they use it like skeet.
I mean, where you want to talk about you want to talk about like the airplane being the invention and the advent of films like this.
I'm sorry, man. I you got to give it to the Marx Brothers.

(02:20:49):
They and the and the thing is that it kept piling on to because it was like, first, did you bring me his record?
And they're like, yeah. And they hand him a phonograph.
That's already the joke in and of itself.
But no, they take it further because the guy gets mad, grabs it, takes it out of hand, throws it in the air.
And Harpo immediately pulls out a pistol and boom blows it out of the air like a skeet shooting and in which Chico then turns around and steals a cigar out of the guy's cigar box and goes, and the boy wins a cigar.

(02:21:15):
Like it was a carnival game like boom, boom, boom, boom, four jokes in succession in like two seconds.
All sponsored by the NRA.
That's who paid for the gun.
And then the we shadowed him all day when yesterday.
Are you fucking kidding me with this? Just are you kidding?

(02:21:40):
Come on. Cutting the tails off his jacket, gluing his butt and then putting a mousetrap on his hand.
That is the three stooges.
That is like that is Harpo Marx.
That is that is where this came that that the vendor scene like that was a three stooges skit.
Hands down. That is like I swear to God they watched that and went let's do that and then make a whole career of it and they did it.

(02:22:06):
And it worked.
Bouncy ball, old business, tariff, too late.
That's okay.
Do we have any old business? Tariffs. That's new business.
Okay. Do we have any new business? Tariffs.
Too late. That's old business now.
Oh my God.
I'm sorry, but how do I cover this movie in any other way than what I'm doing here?

(02:22:30):
You know, I'm right there with you. I get it.
Yeah, it's a tough one.
It's that and that's why I like kind of where I stand is that like Money Python and like the three stooges, everyone should just see like the Marx Brothers like at least four Marx Brothers movies out of the twelve that are out there because there are there are like five or six that are out there.

(02:22:53):
There are like five or six that are actually kind of like.
Aren't they all basically the same?
Roughly. I mean some of the later ones they actually did some change up tried to bring like some more like through line stories and drama and stuff into them and they really didn't work.
They yeah and so especially like you know with Zepo gone and like it kind of seemed like they were starting to lose their lose their way they were running out of gags.

(02:23:18):
It basically seemed like.
Well, I mean they basically went through all of the ones that we've still gotten modern history so kind of understandable.
Yeah, attacks carpet. No carpet tax. Are you kidding me.
Angering the peanut vendor and then cutting the peanut in his hand.
This is where that three months the street three stooges get I'm talking about when he pulls his pocket inside out cuts it and then uses the pocket as a peanut pouch.

(02:23:47):
That I I couldn't get over the brilliance of that one that one that one floored me in a way I wasn't ready for this at all.
See that to me is is the mean it's Harpo Marx that way more than any other three stooges I get how you can see that connection to the three stooges it is kind of that style of humor but when I see stuff like that I think Harpo Marx every time it's way more his than theirs in my opinion.

(02:24:12):
But also it's what you were familiar with as it was going I've never seen any Marx Brothers film before.
This was my introduction into the Marx Brothers I mean I and I was not ready.
Because like three stooges movies I was barely ready for those when I saw those, but this was.
This was a three stooges with some additional racism classism and sexism and just I mean this was just the three stooges with the gloves taken off.

(02:24:45):
I know it was just funny to think to think of the three stooges taking gloves off.
But, but is that not the like basically the perfect way to describe this.
No actually yeah I'm right there with you yeah yeah the hat mix up and then hat madness.
I swear to God they annoyed the peanut vendor into a stroke.

(02:25:08):
Burnery that's the thing again we're just doing bits here no reason for him this guy is not he's not a part of the movie like they're they're selling peanuts as a cover for spying on this guy and for no reason whatsoever.

(02:25:29):
And it just becomes this whole feud that takes up a solid like quarter of the movie for no fucking reason.
To be fair though it is a very short movie.
No that's true yes.
pulls the peanut vending spy in to offer him a job because he likes his peanuts.

(02:25:51):
Well, also because they'll scare the cabinet. Remember he's like come up here I want to scare I wanted to scare the cabinet with you.
And there was that. And as soon as the spy gets in there he keeps answering the phone for him but I will say that when he answered the phone and he just responded with all of the horns.
That was incredibly well done I was absolutely amazed by that.

(02:26:12):
And now he's the new Secretary of War.
Going over his tattoos.
He's got the old.
Old stuff.
Yeah how is that to like like that like imagine like a version of of memento like that we're literally like you don't talk but the answers to all your questions are on various tattoos starting with who are you you pull up and there's a tattoo of you.

(02:26:42):
Like I'm this guy that's me. That is fair. I love that. And like where do you live? Here's a picture of my house. Oh God and then he's got the dog in his chest that is actually barking through it which for the time.
Okay here's the thing I wasn't expecting an effect like that so it actually worked on me.

(02:27:03):
Right as I was watching a movie from the 1930 from 1933 I wasn't expecting an effect an effect like that and it completely shocked me. And I was so you know good job for that.
Then he leaves and like yet no so it was a garage has been or Harpo has been cutting all of this stuff this entire time walks out a new guy walks in and his hat is completely cut in half.

(02:27:29):
And they like he realizes and just chucks it at him. Fantastic. Having everybody be annoyed at these guys was the right call.
Right like that did make that did make it work very very well.
Slap after slap. Who told you that you did. Oh, is like tells me stories like, Come on, I want to hear the joke. Tell me. What, where did you hear that. I heard it from you sir is like, Ah, I should have slapped Mrs Teasdale when she told me.

(02:28:00):
Jesus Christ.
Back on the motorcycle with the sidecar. It's trip today and I haven't been anywhere yet.
And again absolutely no explanation as to why Harpo is the driver. It doesn't matter. It's a Marx Brothers movie.
Apparently not. Fifth trip today. Oh, sorry, shows up to the garden party and competing for the rich lady and just baboons.

(02:28:33):
Why? Why just why? And pushing the man out of the country to start a war.
Back in the motorcycle inside car and now the sidecar takes off, which yes, that was the right way to go. I was expecting it. But now that is comedy formula.
Yes, and it was it was a perfect execution of the rule of three and and subversion of expectation all in one. And yeah, and we've been following that exact same formula ever since.

(02:29:06):
Yes. And again, back to this poor lemonade vendor and slapping all the goods are all his goods and starting fires, like toppling the cart and then sitting in the lemonade tank and just splashing his feet around.
My God, I'd have killed this guy.

(02:29:29):
The money lady to aid in peace talk. She's like, I need to tell you something like, well, tell me over the phone. I can't talk about it over the phone. Oh, that kind of story.
You should be ashamed of yourself. I'll be right over.
There is no break in this movie.
There. I mean, this is an hour and five minute movie and there is so much movie in this movie.

(02:29:55):
Right. Yeah. It does make me want to watch more March Brothers films, but I'm going to need some time.
I need to I need to refresh myself and not live in that era.
Protecting the war plans proposal for marriage and then more fat jokes.
Just everybody like, yeah, like I could see he's like, I can see us now. I can see you bending over a hot oven, but I can't see the other. I can't see the oven.

(02:30:32):
Now, here's the thing, though, in today's day and age, that's a compliment.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Maybe that maybe that maybe that joke got better with age. I don't know.
Yeah, yeah. And it's all in the delivery. You got to make sure you when you say, but I can't see the oven. You got to you got to put a sly on it like, but I ain't looking at that oven.

(02:30:59):
Okay, yeah. So you got to go full Johnny Bravo.
Exactly. Yes.
This might actually be my favorite joke in the entire film.
We can't go to war. It's too expensive. It's too late. I already paid rent on the battlefield.
That that might be the most subtly brilliant joke about the military industrial complex I have ever heard.

(02:31:27):
Right.
Wow, the simplicity in that one. And the more you think about it, the more it's just damn that has got to be one of the greatest jokes I have ever come across.
And it is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
March, but there you go. That's the Marx Brothers. Yeah.

(02:31:50):
Like some somehow equally the dumbest thing you've ever seen while also being the most brilliant thing you've ever seen.
Okay, and now we get to it's actually kind of ironic. My favorite joke and my least favorite joke are one after another.
Because the headstrongs the Arden Strongs and that's how we got.

(02:32:11):
Yeah, yeah. No, that was that was tough. That was one of those like, oh, I forgot about that. See, here's the thing though.
One of the reasons why when I'm narrowing down which of the Marx Brothers movies to bring on here, you know, and before finally settling on this one,
one of the other ones I immediately eliminated was because in that one, the Marx Brothers do blackface.

(02:32:32):
I forgot about this joke. I might have gone a different direction. But, you know, that's the thing. It's the third speaking and speaking of blackface, tune in next week.
Not we're not doing it. No, my God. No, no, no, no, no.
But I mean, yeah, that's the thing is like it is the it is the 30s. And like I said, they are professional assholes. So that might have been a tougher thing to avoid than I than I had realized.

(02:32:56):
And that and that is fair.
But this also an incredible joke.
Don't I don't ever want you to darken my doorstep again. I don't ever want you to darken my towel again.
My God, my God, what are we doing here?

(02:33:21):
The infiltrating Fireflies Hotel ding dong ditch goes sideways, which that was again, I swear to God, the three stooges directly used that skit.
I'm fairly certain. I think ding dong ditch luring the guy out and then luring one of them in, trapping one out and then getting the other one out.

(02:33:42):
The original person goes back in.
They wind up locked out and in the exact same scenario that they started in.
I swear to God, I have seen the three stooges do that.
Okay, I swear. I don't remember. I have not seen as much of the three stooges as I have the Marx Brothers.
And the three stooges were definitely not my era. They were before my era, but they were closer than the Marx Brothers.

(02:34:04):
So that's why I'm more familiar with them.
Yeah, well, I think for some I'm not sure why. Probably.
Yeah, no, I couldn't be any guess why.
Have you seen the three stooges movie with Jim Carrey?
No, I don't think I have.
Neither have I. I kind of want to watch that and I kind of want to cover that at some point.

(02:34:29):
Yeah, then they're led in the back way by one of their fellow spies.
Here was another incredibly brilliant joke in my eyes.
If you're found, all will be lost. How could I be lost if I'm found?
What?
My oh my God, don't make a sound clock duck piano dancing.

(02:34:55):
Obviously had to go that way. Had to can't sleep.
Come get the plans and then locked in that closet.
Having all the Marx Brothers to paint their faces to make themselves look like Groucho was a really fun.
Which is and it's one of those crazy things where you where it isn't until they do that when they like they put on the nightcaps to cover their hair and then they put the shoe polish on their faces to get them to get the mustache.

(02:35:23):
Like until you do that, that's like when you suddenly realize, oh my God, these guys really are all brothers because once you do that, they all look exactly alike.
They basically look identical. Yeah, it was. It was a trip.
Well, everybody but Zepo.
Right. Everybody but Zepo. But he didn't get to play.
That's the reason why Zepo stopped doing the movies because they never let him get to play.

(02:35:47):
They kept making him play the straight man. And so he was like, I'm sorry. Have you seen Henry Cavill with his brothers?
This is like the same thing except. No.
Okay. No. It's kind of a funny meme.
It's I never watched SpongeBob. I was not a kid. I didn't have kids.
But there's I guess there's a meme where it has like Squidward and it's got like a bunch of like there's a really handsome Squidward in the middle and then a bunch of goofy ones kind of surrounding him.

(02:36:18):
That's what Henry Cavill looks like at a wedding photo with him and all of his brothers.
They all look like regular dudes, like maybe a little handsome, everything like that. But they're not Henry Cavill.
This is like the exact opposite. You got a handsome dude who was buff, kind of buff, especially for the era.
And you've got three comedic geniuses and they just it's the exact opposite.

(02:36:43):
It was kind of it's kind of I was kind of wild.
But I did feel for Zepo if that is why he quit that he never got to be the fun one.
Like I get that. He always get to be the romantic lead like in like in like Monkey Business and Night at the Opera.
He ends up with with the girl like he gets the girl. He's the romantic lead in those ones.

(02:37:06):
But he's never funny. And that's what he really wants to do.
And that I can I can absolutely I can sympathize with that. Man, can I sympathize with that?
The oh my God, this line, who are you going to believe? Me, I got your own eyes.
That is good God. Just thinks the record player is a safe.

(02:37:33):
That's a scene I feel like we have seen scenes like that happen multiple times over.
But it was remarkable to see kind of where it began.
Like, I got to give you that the mirror scene. Pretty good.
That's not the best, not the best I've ever seen.
But it was pretty good. It was also funny to see 1933 twerking.

(02:37:57):
Not like that was good.
But that's the thing is like every time you see that mirror routine,
especially if the mirror routine includes a bit where they actually cross paths and switch places in the in the supposed mirror.
OK, OK. Every every version of it that has that is an homage to the the Marx Brothers.

(02:38:19):
This was this was the one where it started. OK, I'll give you that.
But even so, even if it is where it began, other people have done it better.
Well, when you when something's been redone a billion times, sure.
Yeah, I'm just but the the what what I'm saying is the the mimicry that it takes with that.
I I want to like I will give them the creativity credit for coming up with that if if that is how that actually went.

(02:38:46):
But there are performers who have done it better.
And I I just I just wanted to say that Chicalini is under arrest and then another national anthem.
God, see now this might be my favorite. OK.
It's hard to pick a favorite line in this one because there's eighty four thousand lines.

(02:39:07):
Like that's that's what makes it a little bit tougher.
But they were like, where are the original the original arrest papers?
Like, oh, we didn't think they were important. My sandwich was wrapped in those papers.
Like, how do you see a line like that coming?
Like, right. Yeah, absolutely floored.
He may talk like an idiot. He may look like an idiot.

(02:39:31):
But don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot.
Yep. Loved it. Love love.
Oh, God. War has arrived.
But on behalf of all women, Moneylady steps up.
She literally comes and says that on behalf of all women in freedom.
Like, yeah, it must not be a big country if you all met that fast.

(02:39:54):
Um. This I thought was really, really apt.
He talks himself out of offering his hand for a peace agreement out of fear of humiliation.
Yes, right. Yeah, I will offer him that hand of friendship.
But what if he doesn't accept it? How dare he humiliate me?

(02:40:15):
And we're really going to pretend that anxiety is a new thing.
You're right. And then as soon as he walks in, how dare you refuse my hand?
Oh, absolutely.
And again, another one that's been done to death a million times since then. Never not funny.
Agreed. Another song for going to war.
Zylophone. Playing xylophone on the helmets and all gods chillin's got guns.

(02:40:41):
You really you really fighting me on the fact that NRA didn't sponsor that sponsored this.
OK, maybe they had some influence, but I still I still want to I still think at the most I still think for the most part it was.
It was like it was in the same kind of like sort of pseudo over patriotism, like, you know, like post 9-11 type thing.

(02:41:04):
You know, well, this was during Prohibition, right? 1933, I think so.
I think so. Yeah. Or I'm not a hundred percent sure.
Double check on when that was. But the government was kind of they were overreaching at that point in history.
So I'm not I don't know. Hmm. I mean, when doesn't the government overreach?

(02:41:26):
Right. I mean, and we even know we do even know still still today if you want to make a war movie
and you want to get, you know, tanks for cheap in your movie, you got to do what the U.S.
government tells you to do in order to get free tanks.
So, you know, man, just go smoke some stogies with silver or Schwarzenegger.

(02:41:47):
I that is an option because he has tanks and he just drives them around his California property
and he loans them out to the films that he liked or the filmmakers that he likes.
So, you know what you know, there are other ways to go.
One. Yeah, I'm not one to judge someone else's hobbies, but that is a little weird.

(02:42:11):
Sir.
The ability to play G.I. Joe in your own backyard is not weird.
Getting in a tank, cruising around, that's not weird.
That's awesome. OK.
All right. Like I said, I'm not one to judge someone else's hobbies.

(02:42:35):
Oh, oh. No, I mean, not even necessarily shooting anything, just getting in a tank and driving around.
I mean, last time I was in it, I was on a tank was for the TV show Combat Report
and we were cruising around in this World War Two tank and it was awesome.

(02:42:58):
Just sitting on the tank, cruising around these giant tracks going right next to your head.
No, that's just cool.
Look, man, that's that some things are just cool.
Cruising in a tank. OK. All right.
It's just cool.

(02:43:19):
Basically a Paul Revere moment.
Warm them all with a hey, nani nani and a cha cha.
And then dude stops to do some mega pervin, gets really uncomfortable.
Yeah, like, okay. So yeah, it's weird.
Go ahead.
Let's not let's not pretend that it's not weird, but this is some pervy pervy.

(02:43:43):
Like, yeah, he's doing the Paul Revere bit, you know, and it's Harpo.
So he's not actually saying anything.
He's just riding his horse really fast through town and everyone's watched him go by like, what's up with the guy on the horse?
He's doing a very bad job.
Right. Yeah, he stops the horse dead in its tracks because he sees a woman through her window.

(02:44:08):
He's looking through a woman's window and sees her get in the bath.
So he decides to stop the horse, put the feedback on it and just barge right into her house.
Ray busts through, scares the crap out of her.
She gets like she actually is playing the moment very, very scared.
And then we cut to her husband coming home.
She's like, oh, no, my husband, you must hide.
It's like, right. What just happened by the quarter second that I wasn't watching?

(02:44:32):
Right. Yeah. Like, so like he must have turned on a lot of charm all of a sudden to not be talking.
And now all of a sudden you're protecting him from your husband, which, by the way, here's the really fun payoff.
The husband is the lemonade vendor. Poor son of a bitch.
I think that's the best part is that he he shows up and he's like, I've had a hard day.

(02:44:53):
I'm going to take a bath. And she's like, no, he grabs a rifle off the wall and shoves it in his hand and goes, we're going to war.
You have to leave now. Oh, no, that's what she says.
You have to go to war. He goes, I'm going to take a bath. Right.
There you go, man. But then he gets in the tub and Harpo is waiting in the tub with or with him.

(02:45:15):
And then he comes out of the water and runs away, which I get.
OK, yeah, that saw the laugh all the way.
But then things got weird, weird.
And now I understand where the horse joke in airplane came from.
Right. Because an airplane that came out of absolutely nowhere.

(02:45:36):
Now I get it. This movie actually had a setup to why the horse was there.
Like this actually, it had. Oh, my God.
Go ahead. Go ahead. Horse fucking jokes are timeless.
Apparently, we've been doing them for a hundred years.
Yeah. So in this one, after the whole debacle with the with the lemonade guy, his wife, he gets back on the horse, keeps running.

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This time, the lady invites him in as he's riding by.
She's at the window going, you come on in and then cut to later that night.
The next morning, we don't know, but we see ladies shoes next to the bed, guys shoes next to the bed and horse shoes right next to it.
And then there they are. They're all three of them in the bed.

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Yeah, live horse and everything.
Oh, yeah. As an airplane and the horse is laid back down like, oh, I'm good.
I'm going back to bed. You got war. No.
But OK, then Groucho gets a message is coming from the front.
I'm sick of messages from the front.
Don't we ever get any messages from the side?
And then he reads the message from the side.

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Are you think?
You know how much I love it when a filmmaker trusts their audience.
Why can't our grandparents understand jokes if this is the shit they grew up on? I am very, very confused by.
It's kind of confusing, right? Yeah.

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Wildly. These jokes are deeper, more cutting, and they take more thought than almost anything that I ever hear that I've heard in like the last 20 years,
especially three jokes in a row. And this movie has a hundred thousand of them and they're all incredible.
Yet the older generations talk about how they like they don't appreciate it.

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They don't get jokes. They don't understand it. Back in my time, back in the old time, it was the same shit.
Your time, not my time. Like, yeah, very, very. I don't know.
He takes the Tommy gun out of what he calls a Stratocast.
He grabs that starts shooting. Yeah, he's like, or Stradivarius.

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And he's, yeah, look at them all. Look at all of them run. Yeah, they know they're at war.
Now they're like, sir, that's our men. You're shooting our men.
And then he goes, here's and then he hands him a date and goes like, here's ten dollars.
Keep this under your hat.
Because I actually keep that under my hat. And then they're like, oh, my God.

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Secretary of War switches sides and he wants a tank.
They get trapped in the building. Send help or send women.
Yeah, there's four men. There's four where there's four men and one woman trapped in the house.
Please send help or at least send three more women.

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Smoking in the ammo shed and then basically getting blown up.
Shot in the butt. Get me some water.
All right. They got Trentino.
The war is over. Really bad singing.
And they all start throwing food at Mrs. Teasdale for singing. Hail, the war is over.

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And that. My friends is duck soup.
No, no need for any resolution because they're that's all the jokes.
They did all their jokes. You don't need to see any more. Roll credits.
We're not here for a movie or a story. We were here to watch jokes and now we're done.
That's. Yeah, that is that is that is exactly exactly correct.

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So. Let's do this.
I. I mean, just I, yeah, man.
I mean, yeah, it's and like I said, it's basically one of those things where I what I call this one a must see.

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I don't know. My main thing is that everyone should at least see some Marx Brothers, preferably the one with four there.
I know there's a lot of Marx Brothers movies out there, but in my opinion, the ones that have all four are the best ones, even though Zepo is kind of superfluous in all of them.
They are just overall better quality, in my opinion, with the four of them there.

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And because, yeah, they are for all the roughness, for all the racism and the sexism that's in there.
These are foundational. So, so, so much of today's comedy is built on on their stuff, on what they did back, you know, back then.
And yeah, they if you if you are a studier of comedy and you are looking back at, you know,

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the Monty Python and the three stooges and Jack Benny and all of those guys, you've got to include the Marx Brothers in there because they are just as just as much where it began as in the other these other guys.
OK. So let's go with the standard.
The standard get up. Which one had which one actually did a better job of making us care about the characters.

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Obviously.
I'm pretty sure that's supposed to get. Yeah, you're supposed to give a shit about anyone or anything in Duck Soup.
I mean, come on. That's a little bit. Yes. Of course.
Ten things, of course, ten things I hate about you wins out on that one by a landslide that they duck soup practically forfeited the game on that one.

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All right. OK, I'll give you that. Which one did a better job tech in the technical aspects of filmmaking and what they were trying to achieve.
I. Do want to do are we I am I am instinctually wanting to give that to Duck Soup.

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However, ten things I hate about you nailed the Shakespearean tone.
They did. And like we were talking before about how they weren't afraid to bring like some of the other like they didn't just lean on the fact that they were a comedy in Shakespeare.
They brought more stuff in. They did actual cinematography. They did actual, you know, you know,

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dramatic film creation to go along with the the serious side of all this.
It was a beautiful, it is a fantastic coming of age story. It is an incredible adaptation of Shakespeare.
Right. And I think in the modernization because we're talking about.
Yeah, it's a difficult call because we're talking like compared by 1933 standards.

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And Duck Soup. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's pretty well. And then yeah. And then by 1999 standards, ten things I hate about you did pretty well, you know.
And so it's kind of a tough one to compare because for what, you know, the standards were of those times, they both kind of went a little bit above and beyond what would have been acceptable.

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Just OK to get away with. You kind of want to call that a draw, I'm guessing.
That's what I'm certainly having a hard time saying it.
It's making a decision myself. Yeah, I'm having a I'm having a tough time with that one.
So I think I'm I think we're just going to have to kind of go with that one being a draw.
But for. For recommendation, I'm going to fight for ten things because I feel like it's universal.

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OK, there is not there is not a person I would I wouldn't recommend go watch it. Yeah.
And and it's a really difficult thing to do with the Marx Brothers, because like I keep saying this whole time, there is no like one movie that is seminal with them.
It is a body of work to sit there and say, like, like, I cannot definitively recommend one Marx Brothers movies.

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I recommend the Marx Brothers movies on a whole. That's kind of a lesson in like cinema history and American history.
I mean, like it ties in. Yes. So but so, yeah, there since there since the recommendation isn't it can't be encapsulated in that way.
That, I guess, would be a failure. The fact that it's very difficult to appreciate a Marx Brothers movie by itself.

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It has to be the full body of work altogether. Any to just say one of them is the one that doesn't really work.
And so that's kind of, I guess, where they lose out. Ten things I think is encapsular on its own.
I think that does kind of and that does make sense, especially for like prepping for the season finale.
Marx Brothers ain't standing a chance in movie fights for the long run. I mean, it wouldn't even make sense. That's true. Wildly challenging. That's so.

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No, that's true. I kind of get that.
I really I really hope I don't have to fight against ten things I hate about you. That's going to feel dirty to me when the time comes.
It's it just it flat out is. All right, guys. So this week, the what's taking it home is ten things I hate about you.

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But oh, wait a minute. Sorry. Sorry. Hold on a second. Let's do our what's coming up next week.
Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. All right.
Sorry about that, guys. I almost I almost really shit the bed on that one. All right. Next week, what you got from me and it's kind of ironic that we were discussing a little bit about Blackface is.

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Oh, right. Yeah, OK. Yeah, we got. Well, what I'm Tropic Thunder from me.
Tropic Thunder. Yes. Yes. Blackface and wow. And I was I knew that this was coming and I was kind of a little red. Right. I said about it because you know me.
I'm like for me on this channel, I like to bring the stuff that nobody's talking about.

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And I feel like people the subject of Tropic Thunder comes up at least once a year.
And so I don't feel like I don't feel like that's a thing that's unappreciated, unappreciated.
But I don't mind watching it again. It's I know that's the thing. I can't wait to watch it again.
Well, what I've got for you is still on my own rules, something that's a little more unheard of and underappreciated in my opinion.

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And I think I mean, I don't think it's going to be as meaty and take up as much time to talk about as what's as world according to Garp was.
But it's it's pretty meaty. It's called Mother Knight. Tell us a little bit about it.
It stars Nick Nolte and it is based on a book by.

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Oh, God damn it. Forgot his name again.
The same guy who did Slaughterhouse 5, if you know who I'm talking about, you know I'm talking about.
Kurt Vonnegut. Thank you. Yes. It's based on a Kurt Vonnegut book. Stars Nick Nolte.
It's also got John Goodman on it because we can't go more than two weeks without John Goodman on the show.
He really can. He's everywhere. He's too good.

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But it is about a Nick Nolte plays a guy who was an American spy that was in deep cover with the Nazi Party during World War Two
and was passing codes to the Americans and basically allowed the Americans to win the war.
He was he was a deep, deep cover spy embedded in the Nazis.
And this also takes place in kind of more not quite current day, but like more like the 70s and 80s where he is under threat of being tried for war crimes as a Nazi war criminal because the CIA refuses to ever admit that he was a spy.

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And so he's only seen as a Nazi war criminal to the public, even though he literally is an American hero.
And it's a fascinating, fascinating movie. I think it's going to be going to have a lot to talk about on that one.
Next week is going to be the Nick Nolte episode then because he also plays I think it's like Sergeant Four Leaf Clover or something like that.

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Right. I forgot he was also in trouble. Right.
He is. Yep. So this is Nick Nolte in World War Two and Nick Nolte in Vietnam.
So this. All right.
So we keep doing this.
So next week, we'll see for the Nick Nolte hour from now until then.

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Stay safe and stay safe.
Good night, humans. Oh, man.