H.Y.S.T? | S2E9 | Mother Night & Tropic Thunder - H.Y.S.T?

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Welcome to H.Y.S.T?! I'm Bradly Hackworth joined by Jonathan Ems, otherwise known as Doc.

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Hello fellow humans.
And this week we are going to be covering Tropic Thunder and Mother Night.
Two films, one starring Nick Nolte, the other one with Nick Nolte.
But oh my god, what an incredible double feature to showcase the incredible range of Nick Nolte.
Which is not something you hear a lot of people say for some reason.

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Like it's weird how this guy was like a major, you know, name for a while.
But nowadays you don't hear a lot of people sitting there going like,
man I could really go for a Nick Nolte movie.
Like it's always a pleasant surprise when he's in one.
But yeah.
But the one thing about Nick Nolte, he fully commits.
He really does.

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Like as I was watching this I was listing off some of his credits and I was like,
and the Hulk's dad in the Ang Lee Hulk movie.
But then I thought about him in that movie. I was like, no, he fully committed on that one.
Like he went all the way in on that.
Yeah.
You want to start with Tropic Thunder? You want to start with Mother Night?

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I mean, I feel like if we end on Mother Night it's going to be on a downer note.
Maybe we should start with Mother Night and then after we've bummed everyone out,
then we can lift their spirits again with Tropic Thunder.
We can go for that route. We can see how that works.
What was your take on that?

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I honestly wasn't even sure.
I know like formulaic, like to go with it.
There is a right way and a wrong way and stuff like that.
Grab them and then depress them.
But I don't know. I don't know if it's so much matters, you know.

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We'll see how it goes.
Okay. All right.
In that case, let's talk Nazis.
Let's see what the algorithm does to us now, now that we keep talking about Nazis.
We were talking about China before and now all of a sudden we've got a Chinese audience.
What the fuck is this going to do to us?

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Well, it's not Twitter.
I mean, we should be okay. Yeah.
If we were doing this on X, we might get some highland.
But that's not what we're doing.
So I need to adjust here and get myself down to Mother Nights.

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All right.
Oh, I did it again.
I got way. I watched Mother Nights twice and I still didn't finish the starring.
There's a lot of people in there.
I just got caught up.

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And also, I don't agree with who it stars.
Really?
Well, yeah, it says it stars Cheryl Lee, but she's not really in the movie that much.
Alan Arkin is in the movie more than she is.
But didn't Alan Arkin get like a...

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No, I guess he didn't. I guess he was just listed.
He didn't get an end featuring Alan Arkin like he usually does.
Yeah. So I kind of wasn't really sure about that.
But all right, you ready?
Mm-hmm.
All right.
Mother Night, directed by Keith Gordon, written by Kurt Vonnegut Jr. and Robert B. Wide,
based on the novel by Kurt Vonnegut, starring Nick Nolte, Cheryl Lee,

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Tony Rainbow, Michael McGill, Alan Arkin.
Trying to do it like this, but I could do this. I could do this. I could do this.
With Kirsten Dunst, John Goodman, Alan Arkin, David Strait, Aaron, and...
Raleigh Nolte.

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Which let me just point out real quick ahead of time.
It's not fair. It's so not fair to say this about a working actor like Kirsten Dunst.
But if you ever need a creepy... if you ever needed a creepy Nazi child in your movie,
Kirsten Dunst is the way to go.

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You are 100% correct. And I actually have a note kind of like that in this.
And it's weird that it was a pattern.
Sorry.
I forgot about one setting that I didn't quite get right.

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Alright, you ready?
I'm ready.
Alright.
Opening on some Bing Crosby singing White Christmas with post-World War II prison camp footage,
I thought I should have changed that note when I went back to go walk to the second time.
Yeah, that was my first thought too, was that it was like we were getting the irony of White Christmas playing to a World War II prison camp.

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But no, it turns out it's not a World War prison camp.
It's an Israeli prison where they're keeping Nazi criminals for the Ironberg trials.
I didn't think it was ironic. I thought it was a hat on a hat.
Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay.
Dude, like I don't know how to not get crazy dark on this one.

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But I thought the White Christmas was a nod to the racism of the Nazis and wanting everything to be white.
And I thought it was a nod to the ashes coming out of the concentration camps.
And the snow not being snow.
That's what I took away from that. And my heart was like my stomach was in knots immediately because the symbolism smacked me.

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Right. But luckily, that's not what you were looking at. Instead, it was a Nazi prison camp.
They were all on a waiting trial in Nuremberg for their war crimes.
But it didn't look too much different. It was very brutalist, a lot of concrete.
The jeeps looked exactly the same. They were World War Two era jeeps. They were bringing the prisoners in on.

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So it was a little misleading there, but probably intentionally.
Okay, I can give you that. We find out that we're in Haifa, Israel in 1961.
And he's given a typewriter to write his memoirs and he has three weeks to write his memoirs before his trial.
And I thought it was wildly incredible. What a choice to have the current day being black and white and all of the flashbacks being color.

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That was an incredible decision.
And then we cut to a younger him gleefully writing derogatory terms for all minority groups.
Dude, I'm not gonna lie. There was a big part of me that as I was watching this, I thought that this was a legitimate Nazi that had rationalized it and convinced himself that he didn't do all the things that he did.

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Right. Yeah. My brain was twisted all the way until the end.
No, this whole movie is just one big huge mindfuck. And to the point that as much as I am a fan of Kurt Vonnegut's work and I've read a few of his books, I don't want to read this one because as fucked up as the movie was, I can only imagine how far the book takes it.

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Apparently this was set aside from Slaughterhouse 5. This is the best adaptation of a Kurt Vonnegut novel.
This is this is praised as what I just said.
But I forgot to kind of really describe the main point of this movie. So I just can't even. I'm sorry, guys.

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This is about an American who lived in Germany who was hired by the American War Department to help spy and send messages through his broadcast.
But the side effect wound up being he was the voice of the Reich and he really liked it up because he did such a good job.

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Right. It's an interesting setup because basically his father worked for, you know, I guess it was GE General.
Yeah, big, big company that's got offices all over. And so even though he's American born, his family had to move to Germany to work at their German offices for a little while.
And he decided to stay when he grew up, even though his parents moved back to the States because he just loved being in Germany so much.

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You know, found a girl was a famous playwright writing plays.
He found a girl he was all about.
Right. Yeah, I mean, like the true, true blue love story going on there with these two and it melted my heart.
Yeah, until, you know, I realized that she actually was a Nazi.

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They never really said that.
It's just implied because he in his narration, he says, I never told her what I was doing, but she was all the way there and she was all the way on board.
She was flirting with the Nazis like she was doing all things.
So we'll get back. We'll get back to that in a second.
We still want to kind of like establish the what are our history.

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All right. All right. And I just wanted I just wanted to do the explanation over the film because I forgot to do that going in.
Okay, my bad. We go back to the guard knowing he's troubled because of how he sleeps, the names he calls out, all of this.
And he's alone in his regrets.
Nobody else. Everybody knew they were doing the right thing.
They knew they did what they had to do. All of this.

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And the guard takes no satisfaction in ending war criminals, strapping down a criminal is the same as buckling a strap on a suitcase.
What did you what did you take away from that? Because I want to I want to kind of talk about that.
I mean, that is that is a good question, because it's he he he's basically saying like I take no pleasure in it, but also I have no guilt for it.

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It's just the thing that needs to be done is basically what he's saying.
I took something different. He's saying it to a guy that he genuinely believes he's going to be doing it to very soon.
And that's kind of like it's almost weird.
Like that's weirdly like and I don't know if this is the intention of it or what, but it it feels almost like they're trying to draw a parallel between the Nazi soldiers and the people who persecuted them once the war was over,

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which feels like a really dangerous kind of thing to say.
I feel like no, I love this. I love this type of conversation.
This is why movies are great.
Like you want to know what the author was saying.
Go read the book, right?
They will tell you.
But when you watch the movie, you're able to throw some you're able to project your own perspective on these things.

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What I was taking from this moment was all the like this was the guard basically saying all those Jews, everything like that.
I don't care about you.
I'm not going to take on I'm not going to celebrate you with honor for killing you.
I'm not going to I'm not going to think about you.
I'm not going to know when you die.
You're dead.

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OK, like that was that was more like the like you're not even going to you're not even going to this isn't even a historical moment that after everything that you've done and now you're over,
you don't even get to be a footnote in history.
You're not even a footnote in my diary because the guard didn't know he didn't know who he was.
So that's where I that's where I was taking it where he was trying to get a dig on him.

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But Nolte didn't like it didn't land because that's not who that's not who the character was.
Right. Yeah.
So God, I love movies.
I think his backstory and we see him as a small child and getting whooped for looking at his dad's war photos or books and photos in his dad's books.

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They're they're photo books of World War One is what it looks like.
Yeah.
Innocently moved from America to Berlin because of his father's company in 1919, when she was working for General Electric.
And like you were saying, he comes a playwright in German, marries the actress Helga North note.
I'm saying that I mean, it is like it is the German word for North.

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Her name is N.O.T.H. and they kept saying like, no, I don't know.
I don't speak German. So yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Helga North. There you go.
The parents go back because they really see what is coming there against the Nazis.
They're very, very clear and you can see the sadness on their face.
They're like, why isn't our son coming?

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Like that was that was my first hint.
I'm like, dude, he he is.
Yeah. Well, and I think that's kind of what's interesting because they even like.
Because I mean, and this is not to excuse it, but it's kind of one of those like, you know, having been a family man once upon a time, I kind of get it.

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You know, these two basically like they decide for themselves.
Like he says in there, we are a nation of two.
You know, we are neither Germans. We are not Americans. We are.
We are each other. And that's it.
And so what's good for us is what we what we're going to do.
We don't care about anything else because it's all too crazy to figure out who the good guys are, who the bad guys are.

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So we're just going to take care of each other.
And right now, taking care of each other means putting up with the Nazis that fund the plays that she gets to star in and he gets to write.
And. You know, it's where that is.
It's glamorous. I do want to sing praise to that moment where the line that the nation of two, he is watching her on stage.

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Those are his words that she is performing being the writer and watching an actor perform your words so well that it makes you cry.
I know that I'm stepping into the writer role kind of new here, but.
Wow, that would be.
Really, really cool.

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I can't imagine how that would feel.
And then we cut from that little stage performance there to sexy time, but classy.
Very classy, very classy, sexy, very classy sex scene.
What's going on on the radio? Very.
And it's a it's a hell of a it's a hell of a scene because you've got the two of them there, you know, in bed, naked, making out.

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You got Nolte's narration at the same time talking about, you know, the nation and right while we're hearing on the radio.
Hitler giving a speech like this is a hell of a fucking scene, man.
You've got like multi layers of shit to deal with going on here.
Yeah, two watches on this one in one day.

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And that scene dropped my job both times.
There's no no argument.
The introduction of the blue fairy godmother.
And then I love that it was the godmother.
Then he and I was like, what is going on here?
And then all of a sudden, John Goodman pops in.
I'm like, yeah, John Goodman can play anything that's John Goodman can be a fairy godmother.

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Absolutely, man.
And boy, do you know, and again, as as as always with John Goodman, like he's on screen for maybe a grand total of like 10 minutes through this movie.
But holy shit is he is he like it's like you said, like he's one of the stars.
He's one of the stars of the movie, even though he's only on it for like a tenth of the entire runtime.

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Yeah, what a powerhouse performance and every single scene that he pops in, he is playing that character in a way different mood.
First one first time is very jovial.
Second time is that spy going to it.
And the third time is just.
It's over.
Like it.
He had a three, he had a three arc character journey just on his own and he was barely in the movie.

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He got one scene per arc.
Yeah, and it was perfect.
Good God.
Yeah, he's explained.
Yeah, he's explained to Nolte that he's in a very unique position.
He's like, look, war is coming.
But you, an American who doesn't care about the Nazis, are in a position to cozy up to the Nazis and be an American spy.

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And the way he does it, though, is like, let me tell you, I was just sitting over there and I was thinking I could use a writer because I have a story to tell.
And he starts telling Nick Nolte his life story up until this point and then pitches what happens next.
And the look on his face like, yeah.
Like the way his head is kind of like going side to side with that smile and kind of analyzing him.

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Good God, good man.
He is.
There's a reason we can't go more than two weeks without talking about a got John Goodman movie on this channel.
We're not doing it on purpose, yet it does keep happening.
That's true.
Yeah, we keep talking about John Goodman, man.
I got to bring up some of my favorite Goodman movies.
Sure, I get it.

(18:26):
Pretty sure I already have with King Ralph and the Borrowers.
No, you you know, you were pushing that we were going to be doing King.
Like from the start of the show, you were like, King Ralph's coming, man.
Be ready.
And I still don't think you were ready.
That movie is too good.
Definitely, definitely not one for this generation.
It's too slow.
No, I think.

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But yeah, no, for maybe the older in my generation, your generation and like, well, and depending on on the age, too, you know, I mean, the some, you know, if you get them in young enough, then they'll they'll stick around.
Kids, kids can watch giving him good taste.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, you got it.

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Like some of these movies, you can't let them disappear.
Right.
Like that would just be a wild mistake.
His response.
I'm an artist.
If the war comes, it'll have to get along without me.
Like, there was a piece of me that went ice.
And then there's the other piece of me that went.

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And that's why Elvis was the king.
He was an artist.
He put it down.
He went and did his thing.
And he came back.
Yes, he was messed up, and that's probably why we got PTSD Elvis.
And no, it's not probably it's why we got PTSD Elvis.
But being an artist is not an excuse.

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And some artists go, some artists don't.
But I did like his point.
There is shades of people like they're like firemen always say.
There are some people who when you hear when they hear someone yell fire, there's two kinds of people, people who run away from it and the people who run towards it.
Two different kinds of people.
And fact of the matter is, is that one of the one of the many reasons why humans rule the earth and not other animals is because there are both kinds of humans.

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Explain.
That is how we work.
We are a varied species.
And for every situation, there is some of us who can handle that situation.
And the rest of us don't put our lives in danger to deal with the thing that we cannot deal with.
If there is a fire, we run from it and we survive.
If you are the kind of person who is willing to run towards the fire and possibly save more lives, that's good.

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Yeah, I see where you're going.
All right.
Back in this, Goodman tells him the truth that he would be left alone, that there's nobody that's going to come to bail you out.
If you get caught as a spy, nobody's coming for you.
And he also points out to him that he has seen his plays.
He's read his stories and he knows that he is that Nick Nolte's character is obsessed with good versus evil.

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And he roots for good.
He does all this like he is a good man.
Like Goodman's character very much analyzes Nolte's character properly.
Yeah.
You think because when you see that footage of.
Good God, that was that was after remember because remember after this conversation with Goodman, it was after, but it was it was convincing.

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That's the thing is like he even see even like he part of the he says the part of the reason he's like what what playwright wouldn't dream of a situation to create the ultimate character and then play him myself.
Where I do get that.
I don't really have a but I just very much do get that.
Right. We cut to three years later.

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He has a radio show and refers to himself as the last free American coming from the heart of the free world.
Berlin during Nazi Germany, which is insane.
They have the audacity to play the American national anthem before his show comes on like the balls on these guys right at the gate.

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Oh, as stealing a line from the other movie we're going to cover tonight, Tropic Thunder swinging through the knees.
Wow.
He is the full propagandist now.
And he like they reference that like the chief of police, which is his in-law.
They watch every single night and Kirsten Dunst is playing the chief of police's daughter, which in the 90s.

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If you wanted a creepy child to be play a sociopath very, very dark, but like be cute while doing it.
You got Kirsten Dunst.
She kind of she kind of had it for a while there.
Yeah, this and interview with the Empire and trying to think there.
I know there I know there's at least two more, but I can't think of I know that she also has Jumanji and she was, you know, perfectly normal and fun and Jumanji.

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So that was a normal kid role.
Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't put that super dark, but but yeah, I know that was that was her thing for a while.
The creepy creepy child.
Well, even in Jumanji, she was tragedy stricken and she did play that she did still know how to play the grieving child.
That's true. Yeah.

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You know, it kind of like it.
I don't want to say it. No, there's a way that it does make sense that Kirsten Dunst, the darkest, like most morbid child of the 90s, wound up marrying the lead singer of Savage Garden, one of the best like the love songs that came out of the 90s from that guy.

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I mean, yeah, what a wonderfully, outstandingly weird combination.
And I just I really wish I want to know more.
Oh, sorry. So like, yeah, she's got she's got that, you know, well, and they even talk about it in in this movie, which is weird that when like some of the Nazi guys are talking about the strong Aryan jawline, they tell us like, that's the thing about Kirsten Dunst.

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He has the whole Aryan frame going on. She looks like a child Nazi.
I never thought of that.
Casting her so casting her as a sociopath of any kind is kind of typecasting for the way for the way she's saved.
That is a good point. I never I never really thought of that.

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Ouch. Love you. I love you.
I mean, I'm not going to say nothing against you.
You crushed these roles.
These are compliments, even though they do not sound like them.
I said when I said it when I first mentioned this earlier in the show, I said this is not fair to Kirsten Dunst.
But we have to point out the fact that she was born for this.

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She really was these roles.
I mean, she just she crushed him.
She was perfect.
The this was an amazing thing.
The propaganda ministry would rewrite his speeches and tell him when and where to do things like cough, pa or no, no, no.
So the propaganda ministry would rewrite his speeches, then he would pass them off to his blue fairy godmother.

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And then the godmother would put in code in there for when he was supposed to make those breaks.
Well, we're never really made.
It's not Godfather who does their godmother who does that.
He says that he does say that there is another spy somewhere in the in the the propagation in the.
Oh, that must be the general that he was talking about.

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Maybe. Yeah. But yeah, there's someone else.
Or FDR himself. Yeah.
Well, there's someone else working in Goebbels's office that is also an American spy.
So when he hands off his speech to be approved by the ministry, it comes back with like hash marks and notations on it that that tell him where to cough and where to make those things.
And he even says he does not know who it is.

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He never knows who in Goebbels's office is doing this for him.
He just knows there's someone there and that when he makes these where to pause, where to cough, where to sniffle, stuff like that, this is the code that's going out to the American spies listening on the radio.
I thought it was brilliant.
I mean, I thought it was absolutely amazing.

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Mispronouncing the president's name.
That was something that connected this movie to present day.
There were many things about this movie that connected it to present day in ways that I was so not comfortable with.
And I don't know how I'm not going to talk about it, but I'm going to try not to.
I mean, historians have been pointing these things out for like years now, man.

(26:57):
Historians have been losing their minds for the last six years.
There's been a lot of fear about all of this stuff.
And it is how do you argue with it's factual that the exact same things are happening?
It's just it's that scary.
You know, this is I wanted to like, yeah.

(27:18):
I mean, it's one thing.
It's one thing to sit there and go like, well, hey, you know, Hitler was a vegetarian to just like talk shit about vegetarians.
And it's like, OK, that's the one thing that all the vegetarians I know and Hitler have in common.
It's not really going to count when you have something probably the artist thing.
Yeah, there's that, too.

(27:39):
When you have like 200 things in common with Hitler.
OK, now you should be worried.
Now we need to now we need to look closer at what's happening here.
Yeah. If it looks like you're studying the man.
Yeah, I mean, the fact the fact that he like he destroyed that mustache for all of society, I don't think that was the worst thing.

(28:02):
No, it wasn't the greatest mustache.
Like it was a pretty dumb mustache.
So I think that's OK.
But like they ruined the swastika for all time.
Well, that was kind of a thing.
Like when we watched when we watched that Marx Brothers film, Duck Soup, and like he he did the Nazi salute.
But no, but it wasn't a Nazi salute at that point in history.

(28:26):
It was just a goofy hand movement.
But that is now something like that is something that cannot be done, even though I mean, it's not a big loss.
The losses that came out of like things we can't do anymore.
They're not that big.
Like they're not like it's not that big thing.
I really want to move on from this part.
I don't I don't like doing this comparison comparison.

(28:49):
I was watching this movie from like the 1930s.
I can't remember what I think it was.
Blonde Crazy was the name of it.
But it takes place during the Depression.
And it's basically about a bunch of people trying to get by doing random swindles to get to get money during during the Depression.
And one of the guys is talking about how he literally gathers up aluminum cans and then cuts them into what he calls lucky charms and sells them for like a dollar each on the street.

(29:18):
And he goes like, yeah, I can I can just gather up all these cans out of the garbage, cut them into these lucky charms and the people will buy them for a dollar each.
I sell like 100 of them a day and I'm doing fine.
And there's just a momentary glance of the charm he's holding in his hand.
You barely see it.
But when you see it, holy shit, that's a swastika.
Well, see, and there you go.

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And that's where I do feel kind of bad for like people who studied Tibetan history and stuff like that, because that used to be like, you know, what?
The Tibetan good luck charm or something.
That's the thing is like the end they co-opted it because because this thing is it was extremely popular and had good image because yes, it was lucky.
It was good fortune.
So that's why they stole it, because that's what Nazis do.

(30:00):
They ruin everything.
And so they put it on their flag.
And now it's and now it's ruined forever.
Reaffirming this.
We hate Nazis on this channel.
Like we were like we were watching this and like Kelly and I were watching this and she had that much.
He's like, wow.

(30:21):
Yeah, I'm like, how much guilt do you think I would feel executing a Nazi?
Like, I mean, sorry, if that's your chosen life.
Yeah, we don't care.
God, we got to move forward.
Yeah, it's getting dark.
Yeah, this whole thing is going to be really dark.

(30:45):
His son signed off with the high.
Yeah, that that that hurt my soul.
He wears his indifference as a Jewish protester shows up and then gets hauled off for protesting and spitting in his face like the indifference that he wears.
Like, I mean, I know this is Nick Nolte.
I know and his resting face is just run away from this man.

(31:09):
But good God, I I hated him.
I hated him deeply for a huge chunk of this movie.
The movie did its job very, very well.
Right.
Like, ouch.
To a party and he admits that he misses America, but not with the Jews in charge.

(31:31):
And the and you kind of like but that's the thing is like you kind of up to this point, you try you keep trying to give him the benefit doubt.
I mean, I know you said you hated him.
And maybe it's because I already seen the movie.
And so I kind of like already felt for the guy.
But it's like I keep moments like that, like when the protester is spitting at him and screaming and he just kind of like lights a cigarette and ignores it.

(31:53):
And when he's at the party and saying, yeah, I miss America, but not with Jews in charge and he's saying stuff like that.
My mind keeps going back to that line that he said at the beginning of all this to write the ultimate role and play it myself.
Like, like I'm sitting here like he's really this guy is sitting in his mind, thinking to himself, what would the worst person in the world say?

(32:18):
And I'm going to say that.
And like I said, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
But this thing is it kind of plays out as we see the course through the movie play out and he get the war ends.
He drops the act. He feels guilty plays into what I was saying there.
It gives credence to that idea of him realizing that even though he was playing an act, he was still doing damage.

(32:41):
He was still doing truly terrible things, even though it wasn't him.
He was willingly doing it. Oh, wow.
And even he sees that. Yeah, OK. Yeah, there's a very specific line here that is pertaining exactly to what you're talking about.
And it is actually my next my next line.
But where he's talking about the war is like there's no room in our nation of two for this war, for all of these things.

(33:06):
It's not for us.
But the thing that I feel where he admitted it, you must be careful of what you pretend to be, because in the end, you are what you pretend to be.
So I think that was him admitting that he crossed the line and became what he was pretending to be.

(33:27):
Right. Exactly. Yes. That's where that's where I was like, OK, he's owning it, but he still did it.
So, yeah, it's kind of one of it's like this is a very thought provoking movie.
It is one hundred percent. You don't want to feel empathetic towards this man.
But at the same time, how do you not like when he was put in on the assignment, we don't.

(33:52):
Here's why it's hard to be sympathetic towards him, because we don't know the results of his work.
We don't know which messages were being sent. We don't know how many lives got saved because of him.
We don't know any of the effects of what he did.
We only know what he did. Right. Yeah. And that even though we know he we know he's passing messages to the Americans and his fairy godmother tells him that you did great work.

(34:21):
You're an American hero. But yeah, we never get to see it.
We never hear any names of anybody saved. We don't hear about any sort of operations that happen.
We yeah, we don't see the good of what he did. We only see the bad. Yeah.
Then we go into another love scene about their nation of two, but it ends with the raid sirens and how war like everybody said the war ended in 1945.

(34:49):
But for me, the war ended one year earlier. Their nation of two was the loser.
Insanity the victor. There were no prisoners, no survivors.
And I loved that because they kept playing off that that it wasn't just her that died that day.
It was her and him. He was the walking dead.

(35:11):
That was and he basically does that he from there on goes on a walkabout just decides to wander the German countryside until he gets caught by American soldiers.
Yeah, that does happen right here. Yeah. I mean, there's one scene before that, but he basically it's premeditated.
He goes to his his father-in-law and says, I'm going to go on to the front.

(35:33):
I'm going to go fight against the Russians. But it's a lie.
He just plans on just yeah, and during that scene, that's where we get a confession from like a little 12 year old, 13 year old Kirsten Dunst saying that she's in love with a 60 year old Nick Nolte.
And I think technically his character is only supposed to be like 30 or 40.

(35:54):
I don't care.
The worldview that Kirsten Dunst must have had as a child.
I mean, OK, because imagine this first, Brad Pitt, then Nick Nolte.
Right. How the hell are you going to ask this girl to homecoming?

(36:16):
Well, someone did. She's married, right?
But I'm taught. Well, OK.
And I presume the person I presume the guy she's married to is within her age group. Right.
I can't remember how old I am.
I'm pretty sure. I don't know. I don't know his age. I just saw him in music videos when I was a kid.
Right. Right.
But yeah, he was turtlenecks and turtlenecks and long coats, which I have to admit, I love the look and I still wear it.

(36:44):
Yeah.
Help it, man. You like what you like.
No, but yes, she's she's the she's the wife's baby sister and yeah, and she like she believes that she's about to get killed by the Russian soldiers.
And so she decides to first of all, she's OK with her dog getting shot.
She's even like I never liked the dog anyway.

(37:05):
Like, Jesus Christ, did you catch what she said about the dog?
Or what they said about the right? Yeah, it was racist.
No, that it was racist. I didn't hear. I didn't catch that. No way. What?
That I'm not going to lie. I didn't catch it either.
Kelly pointed it out and I was like, that's probably because it didn't hate Jews.

(37:30):
That's pretty funny. Yeah, yeah, I did.
I don't know how else to take that. I don't know why else they would have that line in there.
I don't know how that dog could have. I don't know.
It was right. Yeah.

(37:51):
I mean, many things about this movie were very weird.
But the thing that happened before this is that she's always been in love with her, her, her sister's husband this whole time.
And then he's like, gee, thanks. Well, bye.
The correct response if a child says something like that to you.

(38:13):
Yes, bye. I need to go tell your parents what you just said.
I'm never coming around here again. This is fucking weird. I'm going to go wander the countryside.
But before this scene, Nolte crushes the heartbreak in finding out and getting that letter from his wife.
And the guy says, he's like, what? And Nolte says, why would the Germans kill her?

(38:37):
And then you hear the other guy say, he's like, sir, I said the enemy killed her.
It was the Russians. Nolte full on slipped up in that moment and nobody caught it.
And I didn't even fully catch that until the second viewing where I was like, OK, so he is the good guy.
In his weakest moments when he's broken, when he is thinking of who the enemy is, it is the Germans.

(39:03):
I caught that on the second viewing, so that gave me more towards Nolte on that.
But I do. We're almost there, but I way agree with what Goodman said.
His father-in-law is the chief of police and has had his eye on him forever, but no longer cares because Nolte's broadcast was too convincing.

(39:25):
He said, like, Hitler, I thought he was crazy.
Goebbels thought he was crazy. You, you convinced me that Germany was still was not insane.
And it was the freaking spy, the guy.
Oh, wow. The crazy thing is, he even says that he suspected him.

(39:46):
Like, he's like probably the one person you see in the Nazi Party who actually thinks that that Nolte is not on the up and up.
And then he says, at a certain point, I realized I didn't care if you were a spy because you could not have done anything for them that was as good as what you did for us.
Like, oh, the way how right he is. I mean, dude, I cannot tell you how I feel about this character.

(40:13):
I can tell you I feel about this movie. I still cannot tell you how I feel about this character.
This movie was incredible. Yeah, why she said he didn't go to the front but fled and he gets captured by the Americans and David Strait hairn as Sergeant O'Hare.
I like that he's like, he wasn't so fond of my broadcast and just knocks him out and goes and eats his breakfast cheese.

(40:35):
I thought that was funny. Also, great little cameo from David Strait hairn.
Mm hmm. Yep. That was I'm guessing just he wanted like a Jewish actor wanted to be a World War Two soldier knocking down a Nazi.
I can see that. Sure. Yeah. That makes all the sense in the world to me.

(40:56):
I had to go double check and make sure that Alan Arkin was Jewish because I was very confused for a moment there. Oh, yeah. We'll get there. We'll get there. I'm jumping. I'm jumping. I'm sorry.
They take him on the tour on a tour of the horrors he helped cause.
And what he says when he sees them hanging is like they look peaceful to me. I'm like, dude.

(41:20):
But I see and that was where I thought like some like sociopathic shit, but I kind of forgot that he was suicidal since the loss of his wife.
So seeing them dead, it was kind of the thing that he was longing for. So incredibly powerful and beautiful story moment.
Good God, I it's good that I watched this when I did. Younger me would not have understood half of this movie. The subtext is huge. Yep.

(41:48):
Left by the soldiers to see the blue godmother, John Goodman.
He says they can't reveal their tricks in case they need them again. So he's out in the cold. They can relocate him.
But both of his parents are dead. Nobody told him.
And Goodman all but accuses him of being a Nazi by saying, what would you have done if Germany won?

(42:13):
And that is I am right with Goodman on that. They're like, yes, yeah, you did this. You did this. But you created this like massive safety blanket.
Would you have ripped to the covers off if you didn't have to write? Oh, my.
Seriously, the subtext in this movie is just it's tiramisu, man. It's levels and layers of incredible storytelling.

(42:38):
And it just like I and I should have gone back and done some research because the whole time I'm both times that I watched this, I was asked, I was constantly to myself, where did where did Vonnegut come up with this?
Because this is, to my knowledge, the only Kurt Vonnegut book that isn't sci fi. It is a straight up historical fiction.
And so it's like, what what inspired him to to tell this story, to write this story like of all the things of all the weird shit like Slaughterhouse five and time quake and all the all the stuff this guy's done.

(43:08):
Where did he get the idea for this? That's a really good question by really, really serious, really emotional kind of story.
It's incredible. He absolutely crushes it.
I'm just going to say I really appreciated the attention building of replacing that ribbon.

(43:30):
And the music that they put behind that and to build attention of that scene makes no sense at this moment, even though I very much loved it.
It doesn't make any sense. It's not until you see what happens later that you find out why it makes sense.
Which kind of makes you wonder how how long are we going to go before any time you show this movie to someone, you're going to first have to explain to them what a typewriter is.

(43:56):
Oh, come on, man. You got to give people more credit than that.
No, no, no, no. I'm not saying out of stupidity. I mean, just time. I mean, like.
There's going to be a point where we are so far removed from typewriter technology that maybe sure typewriters will know for a while what a typewriter ink ribbon.

(44:17):
That's not going to be common knowledge for very much longer. I don't think that is common knowledge now.
But here's the thing. Everybody knows what a typewriter is.
Most people my generation and younger are not going to be able to tell you what a word processor is.
Typewriters are not going to go any going not going to go anywhere because they will be a steeple in America and cinema.

(44:41):
Any period piece will have a typewriter. Any of it.
OK, I see. They will constantly be there. Things like word processors, speak and spell, like things like that are going to get lost to time.
But not not a typewriter. I very much doubt that could be wrong.
I'm wrong about a lot of stuff, but I don't think I'm wrong about that one.

(45:04):
But, you know, hey, at least they they made a point to show the ink so that they won't have to explain it in the future.
Like we're seeing the we're seeing the ink ribbon get replaced.
We see that what this is and the necessity and the necessity for it in the operation of this that he's writing his memoirs.
No, it was great. It was great. Checkoffs ink ribbon.

(45:27):
So we cut to 1960. He's in New York.
He's been used a fake name, but only for a little bit.
Goes back to his real name, which is a very, very distinguished, distinguishable name.
So really dumb, kind of like he's wondering, he caught right.
Yeah, like he wanted to be caught. Or maybe he really like.

(45:50):
I mean, no, I think you're right. I think he wanted to be caught like everything up.
Everything else kind of points to that. Yeah, he he's he wants people to know who he was and punish him for it.
You know, I'm thinking, especially considering the end, we finally get a Bing Crosby explanation because for the opening sequence

(46:11):
and like everything that he got is recreation kits for soldiers, which.
Ah, that you know what I was thinking pre show stories and I remembered when they're talking about the recreation kits for soldiers,
I was going to tell a story of how one of those kids that got sent over to me real quick, super, super small.

(46:33):
I opened it up and it was just a ton of drawings for an entire class, all sent just a hack worth whole class, all these drawings,
everything like that, and they just sent them right to like and it was all for not not not to your unit or your platoon, but to the just you as a person.
It was like every class designated like designated to a specific soldier.

(46:54):
Oh, OK. Well, that's very cool.
Oh, my God. Like how much that just like my heart was bursting that day.
And I'll always forget that. I always remember. I always remember.
Yeah, I'll always remember and never forget those letters, not like the drawings and things like that.
And especially that day that is sending those to deployed soldiers is a it's a bigger thing than some people might realize.

(47:23):
And we're not really in a situation to be doing stuff like that now.
But if we ever do, considering how much it meant to me, that's probably something my family would do for another.
Oh, yeah. Well, it is little, little, little nothing story.
But he's all sad drinking his wine, all that and cheers to his nation of two.
And he's just sad about his dead wife looking at her photo.

(47:49):
Then he cuts his hand and needs a doctor, a doc, and it's a Jewish doc.
And I was so ready for him to be recognized immediately, but he speaks really softly now.
Mm hmm. Yeah, he's got a he's got a he's got a doctor living downstairs in his building who happens to be Jewish.
And he's just like, hey, can you help me out here? Yeah, but his mom catches on immediately.

(48:14):
You're right. Yeah, she recognizes his name. She doesn't say if she recognizes his voice.
She's just like, you've got a very distinctive name, sir.
And he does a good job at hiding his voice. Like when he was doing the show, he sounded like an 80 year old man.
But when he was like a 60 year old man, he sounded like a 30 year old guy.

(48:36):
It was it was kind of interesting. But his voice was actually he hid it.
He hid it well enough that it actually worked.
And I kept trying. I kept trying to pay attention to it to go.
And they'd catch him. I wouldn't know.
No, I am. Well, it was kind of leads into it, too, because it's like that one soldier caught him because he recognized his voice.

(48:57):
And so he figures out very quickly.
I need to not talk like I usually do, like because even just saying good morning to someone, they can they recognize the sound of my voice.
It's a really good point. I didn't really take it there.
The the kid or the doctor and his mom both lived in Auschwitz and.

(49:20):
And the mom is still trying to bring her dead husband back through a cable, keep him alive with memories and all of this.
And the son is just trying to forget and move on.
And. Who hasn't been part of a conversation like that?
I know, right? Like that is a tough one. What is that?
The doctor, what is that actor's name? Because I have seen him dozens of times.

(49:45):
I meant to get that, but when I was searching through these through the credits, it was really hard because they're not in any kind of order.
And that doctor didn't have a name. Yeah.
And so I was. And that's the thing is like every I have I know I've seen him in a dozen things and every time I see him for a half a second, I think it's Paul Rubens.
But he's not Paul Rubens.

(50:07):
We'll check that out. Adolf Eichmann, someone he knows is above him and says he's lucky because he can type because Eichmann has to write his out.
That was that was funny.
That was funny. The German optimism was shining right through that scene and it was uncomfortably funny.
Ironically, he makes a chess set, but he's scared to play with a dock because of his mom and he goes across the hallway to play with another Jewish guy who is not playing a Jewish guy in this movie.

(50:39):
He's playing a Russian guy in this movie.
I was so confused when all the white supremacists showed up and nobody had a problem with Alan Arkin.
I'm like.
What is this movie? What are you guys doing?
I get it. I don't want you to go after him.
But what are your what are your characters?

(51:00):
Am I alone here on that?
I mean, I guess that's the thing is like I kept expecting some kind of reveal.
But but yeah, no, that's the same thing.
Like all this. Yeah, I thought I thought he was supposed to be Jewish.
Like I figured he was like some sort of like Israeli undercover or something like that.
If anything.
Yeah, but no, it turns out now he's Russian.

(51:23):
That's what we know.
Like a the guys play a Jewish character in so many things that like to see him play a Russian, I wasn't even I was not ready for it floored me.
I was completely blindsided by it.
So clever move.
Why? But he winds up playing chess with Alan Arkin and we find out about I was going to I was going to you know or move here.

(51:49):
So I flipped a coin and now I'm here.
And he mentions the Brotherhood of the Walking Wounded who is incapable of speaking to one another.
And then Nick Nolte like kind of eludes to it.
He's like, yeah, but I can't talk about it.
He's like, of course.
Perfect.
That was a great scene.
Yeah, no, I did.

(52:11):
Again, multi layers of emotion from from both of these powerhouse actors.
I mean, come on.
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
And then off to chess in the park and a montage of what really seemed like a blossoming friendship.
And he spills it all and aren't Arkin takes it in like takes it fully in stride like, well, if you're this big hero, then why don't you do something about it?

(52:36):
You know, kind of really stepping up on there is like they're all spitting on you.
It's like nobody's spitting on me.
Nobody even remembers me.
I'm dead.
I don't think you understand how trauma works, buddy.
People are hearing your voice as they go to sleep at night.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's kind of how that works out.
Did you find out why Vonnegut went to go do this?

(52:59):
No, no, I'm looking at that actor.
Oh, he finds his identity has been revealed by a white supremacist fanboy.
And Arkin gets their newsletter in his mailbox out of nowhere, which my God talk about unsettling like just minding your own business.
And all of a sudden, the the white Christian nationalist weekly is in your freaking mailbox like time to move.

(53:23):
That would be what like I'd be like, well, I got to burn this building down and find a new one like that.
I'm not even going to point that out.
No, no, no.
All right.
The line All the best writers are dead.
That was a great line.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I figured you had that as much as I did.
I can't be I can't be a writer.

(53:44):
I'm dead.
What are you talking about?
All the best writers are dead.
Yeah.
That was amazing.
I like that he's like, you need a woman is like, I don't like I really liked their friend friendship.
But where you I mean, this is where film techniques really come in.
As soon as he walked out of the hallway and the camera angle was tilted, that's when that's what tells the audience that everything is about to get flipped on its head.

(54:14):
As soon as I saw that camera angle is like, oh, what's coming.
And then it's three fat old white supremacists like, like, heavily breathing their way up the stairs.
Yeah, which was funny.
I mean, they're like, I don't know if it's true but I think it's funny because I was just like, Oh, my gosh, I'm in heaven.
I'm in heaven.
And then I looked up, and I saw this man doing this on his own.

(54:38):
That was so good.
Yeah, because they're like, it's they're having to take it three steps at a time.
You can see that you don't see them yet.
You see their hands gripped on the railing as they go.
One, two, three, rest.
One, two, three, one, two, three, right.
minute men and the fact that they let this guy be named crap tower thank you

(55:02):
that is what we call yes these crap fantastic fantastic a million German
last names and you went with that one you knew what you were doing and I
applaud you fantastic Alan Arkin playing off the white
supreme are playing off the supremacist is wild and dude this level of racism I

(55:28):
have like I've gone over like 50 different paintings of Jesus and pointed
out that he doesn't have a Jew jawline or Jew teeth oh my god I wanted these
guys to be thrown out windows piano was dropped on them anything like you the
whole time you're watching this you're just going like Alan Arkin you're just

(55:48):
gonna stand there and listen to this what's going on man I was waiting for
him to tackle grab something I was waiting waiting for something really bad
to happen these guys and nothing didn't that really made me sad and then I got
really like worried because they're like oh it's downstairs go check it out and
he leaves these three white supremacists in a room with a Jewish guy and I'm like

(56:14):
Nick what are you doing but but again again Alan Arkin not playing a Jewish
character and that really tripped me up so one time yeah this one time he's
actually Russian not really that really tripped me up and it's an awkward
surprise because he believes that Helga has come back from the from the dead and

(56:37):
then crap tower it's an honor to risk my life going upstairs because I'm fat
thank God he died I'm so happy he died that made me yeah and the best part
about it is how like other than like he's technically the dot did the dent the

(57:01):
dentist's bodyguard so the dentist is a little upset that crap towers dead mmm
but it seems like it's mainly because it's an inconvenience for him everybody
else is kind of who fucking cares like that's kind of how I was but then when
Frankie Faison shows up playing the black you're dude whoa as a work in black

(57:31):
actor in America who gets a chance to play a role like this ah how that was
crazy to me but and then like he's like yeah and then they're gonna get a bomb
of their own they're gonna give it to the Japanese so they can drop the
hydrogen bomb first and then he's like well where would they drop it

(57:52):
I don't know China China and then it's like that that whole like who told you
China men were colored and I was like this is a very awkward moment right I
don't know what level of racism we have achieved but it feels like it's either
been squared or cube right like it was it was heavy all right so I found his

(58:17):
name okay is Ari Groh Ari gross Ari gross is the guy who played the young
doctor in in that and yes I've seen him dozens of times always at first glance I
think he's Paul Rubin's but he's not he is a serious actor he does do some
comedy but he's not Pee Wee Herman so you know okay fair enough talking with

(58:37):
Helga about getting a hotel and she's all although why wait we continue I do
want to point out one thing that while I was looking through the cast list here
on IMDB I saw something that made me laugh because because in the that radio
broadcast they you know they were talking about before that very intense scene
where oh yeah yeah yeah and then you got Hitler's on a plan on the radio because

(59:03):
in the IMDB they have Adolf Hitler listed as one of the credits in here
plain self uncredited
that is fun fact cool you didn't have to do that IMDB you like no Hitler is not

(59:29):
represented by any union none zero you don't have to do that that that that is
a weird decision I am going to give you that talking with Helga about it getting
a hotel and she's all why wait and angry that the store is closed because of
Veterans Day I was like wow stop representing yourself as a Nazi dude

(59:53):
like come on like in World War two just finished like not that long ago shut up
yes if we go like 40 years without any wars yes Veterans Day closing stuff down
all right I'll get I'll give you that sure but if it was five years ago or I

(01:00:15):
guess at this point 15 years ago if still sounds about right still 15 still
no too soon six million people too soon yep yes no the fact that there weren't
people I mean they're in New York and he's shouting fucking Veterans Day there
should have been someone right there on the street going hey fuck you buddy at

(01:00:36):
that point in history I would think so yeah like it's a couple years before
like the heavy protests are to coming in so I would think so yeah Helga is
nervous about losing his love and then we find out the reveal I'm not Helga I'm
her little sister who grew up to look exactly like her and wow his response is

(01:01:01):
he responds accordingly but her story is just how do you not empathize like even
if you don't want to fall in love with this girl like you you'd still kind of
want to let her assume the identity so she doesn't get sent back like yeah her
whole story is that yeah basically like because she was a she was a Russian

(01:01:26):
prisoner he escaped and then when she was filling out her refugee papers she
decided that she her she didn't want to be herself what kind of a nobody she
wanted to be her sister the famous actress and then once she did that then
all of a sudden she got swept up in all this shit you know that that ended up
with her being planted on his doorstep you know yeah which I mean yeah and and

(01:01:51):
yeah now he's stuck with like okay I get it but also like I kind of thought you
were my dead wife not cool bitch and I agree and but then he kind of forgives
her and just kind of goes with it anyway and it's like okay this is awkward they
go on a date and she wants him to write a play for her like he used to for her

(01:02:13):
sister yeah and then you get this well then you get this like really solid
examples like okay she wants to be an actor but she can't even pronounce
words I'm starting to see this is the little sister that was envious but never
put the work in the older sister but like gave a lot of reasons to to be what

(01:02:33):
to be fair the real Helga was never required to learn English for like I
think because remember he wrote his plays in German we were getting them
translated in English but he was writing them in German but she could but he said
that he would joke with her about the quintessence of Helga so doesn't really

(01:02:53):
matter I don't I don't see your point I'm saying that English is her second
language it's not exactly fair and she you know third if you count Russian
actually because she was he was German and she was a Russian POW and then now
she's in America like we can cut her some slack on the word quintessence I
think but still yeah I saw it as a scene where I saw it as a scene of kind of

(01:03:18):
like he's put she's playing into the why don't we continue to pretend I'm Helga
you can write plays for me and there's this kind of cutesy banter going on
like there's a part of her character that like I I really I'm really speaking
to a part of her character like I want to dye my hair I want to go to Hollywood
I want to do all these things she is not a character that put the work and she

(01:03:39):
was the dreamer that's why I'm saying that's what I'm saying she didn't like
that's like or she envied her sister who was the doer but she was not the one to
do it she took the shortcuts she got all this everything like that then she got
screwed and then she found a way out and I found a way out of it I mean to to be
fair she never really got a chance to be a doer she was 12 years old when she was

(01:04:03):
captured by the Russians and has been working in a cigarette factory in Moscow
ever since like what was she gonna do okay stop defending her because you're
defending a fucking creepy morbid I love my sister's widower and I'm a child
seriously stop defending these creepy fucking characters all the time dude I

(01:04:28):
mean come on that's it's there's devil's advocate and then there's what the fuck
but like okay but for real look I'm not so do you actually have a defense for
this character or is it like for the for the kid well okay we haven't even gotten
to the big reveal of that everything she's saying is a lie anyway you know so

(01:04:51):
it's kind of doesn't matter but the way I'm seeing the way I see this scene
where they're talking about the play and stuff like that I'm seeing that as a
moment where he's starting to actually fall for her again oh no I do agree with
that yes that's the thing is like that little like cutie banter of like you
can't even pronounce the word can you say it with me quintessence quit like
this is it was a cute moment like that's that's kind of what I'm seeing because

(01:05:14):
we're seeing another ramp up of he's starting to feel like he's starting to
feel like himself again like he doesn't he's not suicidal anymore now all of a
sudden he's kind of starting to fall in love with it again yes that is the that
is the point of the scene at a door but that's the thing that's what I'm saying
is that it yeah okay but I'm still saying her character is a wildly flawed

(01:05:38):
character oh sure yeah yeah everybody in this movie is except for John Goodman
maybe yeah but he's always perfect even when he's the bad guy he's perfect
doesn't matter but then yeah a moment of sweetness gets interrupted by a man
searching for revenge for his buddy and what happened to his buddy they cut his

(01:06:05):
tenders off and then hung him up like no this guy that happened to my buddy I
would I would be out swinging for the fences too I'm not gonna lie like that
ever everything about this movie is pretty understandable like I do got to
give them that but I really like they get knocked out and taken to the black

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fear and this is before I knew I was just oh man why is Arkans so at ease and
then when you hear the gunshot when you hear the gunshots and they're like oh
that's your friend it's like dude like but then yeah no he's literally he's
the one with the gun yeah no I was gonna be target practicing yeah yeah they want

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him to speak at crap towers funeral but because because you were his mentor we
thought you could say if you like you knew the guy for five fucking minutes
mentor who yeah no the guy was obsessed with me I was not his mentor no like
that was what a weird setup then tells not Helga that he'll write again in

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Mexico sees the broadcast and it's it's ominous enough to accept a gun
that he's gonna start carrying with him at this point now because he's like okay
no I'm in danger and crap towers funeral and lying about his affiliation with
Nolte's character and Nolte watching a recording of his old broadcast he is

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just wildly aghast at footage of himself as though he never realized what he was
saying mm-hmm yeah like he was laser focused on being the character that now
he's out of the character he is just his brain he's just broke 100% appalled
with himself yeah he's this is the moment where he's sitting there going oh

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my god I did this to myself this is all my fault and that's where I think the
end of the movie really is explained in that moment there but warranted tricked
into a meeting with his Blue Fairy godmother and the Russians are after him

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Arkin is an agent Helga or not Helga is the other Russian agent and goodman
tells him they were going to kidnap him in Mexico and parade him as the type of
fascist war criminal America shelters
ow yep but at the same time post-world war two America we accepted all of the

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world's greatest scientists and we protected we protected them so long as
they did stuff for America no America brought in a lot of Nazis and put them
to work and we still don't know if there was any like we you talk conspiracy
theories what the hell did Nazis like put in on stuff when they were working
for the Americans I mean I can see where conspiracy theorists like really get

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stuff that they can latch on to but how the rest of the world must have looked
at America for taking in these Nazi scientists I yeah you can I can I can
kind of understand how that looked yeah yeah that's like because you were
protecting war criminals and then when do you eat asking the guy who can't

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stop writing heard that oh yeah yep yeah no when the words are flowing no I can't
tear myself away from it either like when do you eat I don't know when's the
last time you did this I can't remember no I've I've been there and my god that
is when you snap out of those things it's kind of like you're just shaking

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your hearts pounding everything it is a rough moment that's the thing like if
you if you have a writer in your family the best thing you can do for them is
bring them a snack because they are not going to remember to eat and when they
do eventually get so hungry that it jars them out of what they're of the writing
that they're doing at that point it's like too late at that point you got to

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get out of their way or they might eat you because they are their brain has
stopped working just bring them some chips you know you just you don't even
need to open a bag of chips for them and set them in front of them that's all you
got to do it's not a bad way to go yeah definitely not a bad way to go his
Nazi buddy tries to give him a lesson on relaxing and he laughs his ass off

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that's how I got here like right mmm he tries to mock Eichmann's delusions but
he gets his tossed right back in his face and oh the way it lands on Nolte
felt it and he sold it like he sold that moment perfectly and

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when he tricks them into actually revealing that they were agents because
he said like nobody admitted that the blue fairy godmother was a real person
or anything like that so there was a big part of this like I said I thought
Nolte's character was a legitimate Nazi that after the war while he was writing
this he had tricked himself into delusions to make it to make himself

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believe that he was the good guy because because we like there's a lot of
correlations between this story and like famous stories of people who like went
crazy and they were like no the government hired me to do this you know
movies like beautiful mind and freaking what was the other what was the one with

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them with Sam Rockwell in it I can't remember
yeah there's a couple of movies about people who like commit her when you
start with the font movie the font movie now we'll talk about that another time
all right Arkin slinks out and it was actually kind of funny how he did and

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not Helga does the let us die together and she quotes him and his early work
and my god she really is obsessed with him just tell me what to live for I'll
live for that chair if you tell me to live for it and it's like good god woman
stop and she does with a suey pill that is I'm thinking cyanide or something I

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don't know but I'm like that yeah no hidden in her lipstick and over quick
actually took the pill like I thought that she was maybe an agent like a like
some sort of spy to help get him caught and then afterwards she was gonna like
get her freedom was like I did not think that she actually was in love with him

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and all of this I was way wrong like no she was a psychotic insane character
like she just not really yeah yeah right riding a wave whether it was as a
Russian spy or as a tool of the of the Christian white army or whatever they

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called themselves like he did not care as long as all paths led to him and as
soon as he started saying nah you you and I are not a thing he was like yes
like I can't take responsibility for I can't say anything about your taste in
men it was good it was good then he gets arrested and a catch-and-release program

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with a war criminal I mean it's the age thing like you still have to imagine
they were like Jewish cops or something like that it's amazing that he made it
out of that jail is all I'm saying mm-hmm yeah like there were no Jewish
criminals that were there just hanging out had a few too much to drink at the
night something like that like nobody nobody tanked him in that that that is

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my most unbelievable part of this movie but then he freezes in the street
because he it's not it's the exact opposite of option paralysis he has
nowhere to go he has nothing to live for there's nothing for him so he just
freezes for hours until like one breaks him of his days and then he returns to a

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trashed home about finish the job yep yeah he's a one true friend that he had
turned out to have been a Russian spy his dead wife come back from the dead is
actually her crazy sister who was now also dead
this guy literally but so yeah it was like after getting them caught in you

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know and he did manage to get the the the white supremacists all rounded up
you know but then yeah he's out and he's like I've I've got nothing he just he
stops in the middle of sidewalk he's like I have nowhere to go I have no one
to go to like I have no reason to be anywhere like yeah it's by the way if
anybody is judging me for my lack of empathy for the dead characters they're

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all Nazis I don't care the white Russian spies or both the wife want like the
wife did not know that he was working with the Americans so she believed his
broadcast she supported him she danced flirted with the Nazis we don't we
don't know that because remember they were he said he didn't tell her he says

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he didn't tell her that doesn't mean that she was totally for it because you
remember that was the whole point they were a nation of two they were just
about each other it was not it wasn't that she was a Nazi is that she was just
surviving the same way he was she meant she's not okay I'm gonna get this we got
that from his we got that from his perspective I want her movie before I go

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through and start defending Nazis Nazi sympathies okay or not so good
Isers like that's fair I know that I am the hater which puts you in the devil's
advocate position quite a bit not with Nazis dude
these characters like look here's I got I got two more notes on the movie and

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then we'll start getting into the discussion okay okay he tries to turn
himself into the nearest Jew but nope it's the second nearest Jew that can
help I thought that was I thought that was funny even if it wasn't meant to be
funny I was I thought it was hilarious and he did say the interesting thing
was that he goes to them and when the doctor first says like why are you

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coming to me and he says I I want to turn my I want to surrender to an
Auschwitz er like he wants to make some kind like he can't make amends for what
he's done but he at least wants to try it's you surrendering to find out what
she's saying as he was being carried off

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no I mean I mean he translates the lyrics but no I don't know what it's
from no no yeah that's why I was saying like did you read what he translated
to yes he said corpse or what she said was corpse carriers to the guardhouse
Wow I'm sorry but just Wow like that was incredible the blue godmother steps up

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and it looks like he may be vindicated but that is not what he wants so he
takes all the records all the ribbon from like the ribbon from everything
that he had written and all this and he ends his own life with his own words and
good god this movie is incredible but who's at the door did you did you did

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you oh I think I'm pretty sure it was that guard that was talking to him at
the beginning that was talking about that the guy no I agree I just always
wondering if there was like something I missed nope I'm pretty sure that's who
it was final thoughts on Mother Night absolute must see I think this is an

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amazing film I think it's too emotional and thought-provoking to turn away and
I'm about to get into some shit about why I think it matters today and I and I
think it's one of those things that that should be discussed beyond the usual
Nazi correlations there's other things that I think where it matters and I and
I think everyone should see this movie and kind of give these think these
thoughts some consideration this is 100% a must see depending on who you are

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you're gonna take away something different from it I truly do believe
that the movie doesn't explicitly tell you which characters are good and which
characters are bad they just talk about it from a historical standpoint and they
talk about how like basically who won interestingly enough Kurt Vonnegut

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doesn't really seem to take an anti-nazi standpoint in this story he's just
telling the story it's it about an American who's embedded and what could
happen however it's not exactly like any Nazi is portrayed in bad light only
historically accurate right yeah we don't see anybody do anything terrible

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but it is it is in the abstract I mean it's kind of what I mean I think he
takes it as a given as like like for instance the fact that we you know there
are the concentration camps there are the protesters like I don't think he
felt the need to belabor that point is like that's what was happening and these
people were all for it we don't really need to I disagree completely I think

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the reason that he didn't do that is because it would have painted the
character too much and the situation and would have given him something to
actually fight back against or fight for but it kept it open there's probably
that too yeah but and I think that is kind of part of it is one of the reasons
why he was able to delude himself is because he didn't see any of this like
there was that one protester that he ignored but generally speaking he didn't

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see any of the atrocities it was all very abstract to him until it wasn't I
don't know because he lived in Berlin so during the roundups and everything like
that you have to like there's no way that you couldn't not see that like there
were suppose that's true yeah couldn't like we didn't see him seeing it and I
think the reason that we didn't see that is because it would have painted him

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like how he responded to that with the audience would have painted the opinion
before we were supposed to perhaps again that's why I like movies I'd like it's
very like perspective driven I have some perspective the reason why I think this
movie is important today and I'm and I'm saying when I say and I think the

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important thing to point out here is that I do not have a stance on this at
the moment it is a question in my head that I think people should be thinking
about
his great crime the thing that he is on trial for the thing that he is
undeniably guilty of is the fact that he is a propagandist he is up there on the

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radio he is saying all the horrible things that justifies and promotes the
Nazi agenda to the German people you know as we you know as that one guy said
you know I thought our country was going crazy until I listened to you you know
he never killed anyone he wasn't part of any soldiering he didn't have anything

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to do with the the the concentration camps but just by the very nature of the
fact that he had the job of justifying all of that that makes him a war
criminal that makes him just as bad as all the other Nazis including the ones
who ran the concentration camps themselves mm-hmm so the question of
how that applies today this all came to mind for me when we had those two those

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two massive hurricanes in a row and how there are people hard at work doing
climate climate change denial knowing full well it's bullshit knowing full
well that there is active and true harm for what they are saying and so the
question is with that very real knowledge of not just this fictional

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character but also people like Goebbels people who were propagandists who made
this happen knowing full well that they were lying to German people in order to
get them to accept this this new Nazi reality is there something to be said
about taking to task the people who lied to us about climate change now that

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there are countable people dead because of it and how do we reconcile that with
our are also very real and very important value of free speech in America
that's the question I think that we should all be thinking about and why
this and why after the hurricanes I thought of this movie and like I said I
don't have the answer I just think that this is something we should be thinking

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about that huge lead-up led to a climate question when we're talking about the
Nazis I thought we were going a way different direction well here's what
here's what here's my position on that don't put him to death but absolutely
yes huge fines everything like that absolutely because there's a difference

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between free speech and then marketing something right but that's the question
is because how do we how do we how do we define that that's the that's the big
question how can how do we put a lot of a point legally speaking on the
difference between someone being a propagandist for the oil companies

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versus someone who genuinely believes because they've been listening to the
to the propagandists of from the from the oil companies like okay hold on time
out real quick this has literally nothing to do with the movie this is an
after-hour conversation okay fine like we're talking about Nazis not hurricanes
here's the but you and I both know that after doing topic thunder I'm going to

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forget everything I was right it down there's a very simple exploit like like
solution to this but taking that point bringing it back into Mother Night
essentially the cowards are the ones who are saying like well I don't like I'm

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not responsible I didn't do any of it I just sent people to go do it and stuff
like that it's like okay so you're getting away with it because you were
too much of a chicken shit to be boots on ground that is not an excuse for you
to get away with it because you still pushed it you made the gig is a general

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responsible for ordering an army to go do something yes doing my very best not
to go overly political but realistically January 6th that was like none of that
would have happened without Donald Trump so can we yeah like obviously the
leaders are the one are still like to be held responsible and to tie it back into

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what you were saying the leaders in denial when there is epic catastrophic
results yes they should be held responsible I mean good God all these
like billionaire climate deniers absolutely take every single dime they
have and put it towards climate research I'm not against that yeah no like no
these things make complete sense but no the aspect of only the ones who

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literally had hands-on being responsible for the decisions being made no not go
with that no of course not but that's but that's the question in in that's
kind of where I feel it's sticky is in the land of full respect for free speech
how do we know where to draw the line between a bullshitter and a true
believer because they sound exactly the same after our conversation man like

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that like okay dad like that was like talking about holding like
responsibility for the ones in charge that that is I can get on board with
that for the show conversation that that is that is we could talk about that for
straight up an hour there's no way we can talk about that during the main show
okay all right fine and I'm here and you know what you know what for the record

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it was important that I give that preface to what I was gonna say because
there are too many people there are too many propagandists that couch their
calls to action in the form of a question and it was important that I say
that I'm not doing that that this is a real actual question because I was about
to shit talk propagandists while talking like one I needed to say that that was

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not I was doing okay so a little trust from you every once in a while would be
nice sir why are you always defending creepy people fuck you brother it's it's
the devil's advocate thing and I know that it is it's who whichever one of us
tackles something first the other one goes for it and because I'm the one

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doing the notes you have to you jump in on that it is it puts you in a rough
position I do empathize but you are right you are right I got I will thank
you no but I still stand by that though you have to write shit down for the
after-hour so when we get there we're not sitting there just like what were

(01:27:59):
all those things that we wanted to talk about that is okay you're right there
you have a very good point there that is a problem I will we have done that a few
too many times all right jumping in on part two of tonight's episode is going
to be Tropic Thunder which oh god I love it so much what a movie what a wildly

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different movie from part one yes no I don't think we we and I've said I know
I've said this before but I've meant it every time I don't think we could have
picked two more different movies no especially like half-ass one starring
Nick Nolte the other one heavily with Nick Nolte mm-hmm and just what a

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difference but Tropic Thunder directed by Ben Stiller written by Justin Theroux
Eden Cohen and Ben Stiller starring Ben Stiller Robert Downey jr. Jack Black
Brandon T Jackson and bit Jay Bruchel with Steve Coogan Steve Coogan Danny

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McBride Bill Hader Matthew McConaughey Tom Cruise and Nick Nolte
and realistically a few others there's there's there's no denying I mean
there's there's a lot in this movie but oh my god what you just want to get

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right into it let's do this yeah yeah all right this movie is one of those
like this is a comedy that went way harder than it needed to true but it's
kind of like covering a Marx Brothers film or a Monty Python film there's so
many jokes yeah I mean it's just oh my and they I don't think any of them don't

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land no yeah and it's interesting too like right out of the gate you know I
know this is probably your first note right out of the gate we start with
opening on a compilation of our stars done like actual trailers before the
Dreamworks and productions card oh my god final thing on Mother Night that is

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a fine line studios production which is an offshoot of New Line Cinema oh right
yes that's right New Line Cinema yep and that's what we get the what is it which
one of the movies is it Jack Black's movies is New Line Cinema no no no no
no Mother Night Mother Night was an offshoot of New Line Cinema that's what

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I was saying okay but one okay I thought you were talking about how like one of
these trailers that we see it's no they might have been I I completely missed it
if it was was it was it though the the parties part two I think it was yeah
okay I could be wrong on that one though but done like yeah and we get booty

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sweat from Al Pacino the scorcher teasers for tug speed speed men played
by Ben Stiller and that line who left the fridge open perfect perfect tag oh
action movies that's that's where stuff like that belongs what's amazing about

(01:31:25):
this is that this is that we've got Ben Stiller in a movie with Tom Cruise where
Ben Stiller is playing basically his Tom Cruise ripoff that made him famous back
when he was doing his sketch comedy show oh my god I forgot about his impression

(01:31:47):
of Tom Cruise yeah Ben still like that skit with Ben Stiller being Tom Cruise's
stunt double is yeah no that is a good one good call nice callback I'm sorry
guys I'm sorry sending more secret messages there bread wrong movie but

(01:32:08):
nice good call the fatties part two trailer for Jeff Portnoy played by Jack
Black and the forbidden gay romance between Kirk Lazarus played by Artie J
and MTV's best kiss winner Toby Maguire
with you it is a fantastic way so good it's a fantastic way to introduce us to

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our four main characters by showing us what their career looked like up to this
point through the forms of these commercials for their other projects
perfect which by the way were you also as soon as the the booty sweat commercial
came on just went it's fucking booty juice man like they they they they ripped
off they ripped off our man rusty oh my god rusty Kundy F yeah oh my god no that

(01:33:01):
didn't even come to mind oh every time they said booty sweat I was thinking
about booty juice no oh my god see this one lives in my brain that one doesn't
that's that's you know I okay fair enough it's the witch came first thing
you saw this movie first I saw here a black hat first so that's how it works

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that is just how that goes yeah the narration from note from note II as
sergeant for leaf tabac of this of the ten men sent or returned of the four
rewrote books about what happened of those three two were published of those
two just one got a movie deal this is the story of the men who attempted to

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make that movie that is the greatest opening narration ever
that is that I look I couldn't stop laughing the whole time and I've seen
this so many times it's ridiculous right yeah no I love it the Vietnam battle
scene out fantastic music in the opening through the whole movie I mean if you

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have a Vietnam music rights the music rights they got for this movie almost
outshine the a-list cast they got well that's the thing if you're doing a
Vietnam movie you have to get these songs Cleedon's Creedence Clearwater
revival obviously you gotta there's no Vietnam movie that doesn't have that I'm

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fairly certain about that and Anthony Rui Vivar gets got which if you like
teeny-tiny such a small cameo probably wouldn't even like notice it but he's
from Starship Troopers and the Adjustment Bureau like he is you know him

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if you go back and look at him black is playing a mean dude I like that
Baruchel the nervous guy who gets hurt and Jackson is full stereotype and you
know already J in Tropic Thunder what it's it's it's controversial it's the
controversial skin pigmentation right yeah but that's the thing is like it's

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it's a controversial thing to anybody who hasn't seen the movie like that is
the joke everybody hates this guy because he's doing blackface it is
remarkably minute and like I said I've said this before like it's one of my
guilty pleasures is watching like YouTube reactors but make it like but

(01:35:37):
watching black YouTube reactors react to Tropic Thunder it is remarkably it's
amazing how I have never seen somebody have a problem with this mm-hmm it is
the craziest thing and I love it because you can't do this unless you do it
perfect yeah that's the whole point they see still are getting blasted and already

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J survive that line should not be that hilarious
that whole scene was like I said this movie goes way harder than it should
like this scene we are watching a Vietnam battle scene in a comedy movie

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about the making of Vietnam war movies usually those were setting the scene of
the movie scenes last like two minutes before they get into the rest of the
movie this one goes on for like 15 minutes like we get a lot of Vietnam
movie before we get to the comedy part with some comedy thrown in mostly from

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our DJ doing his bit a little bit from what's his name that the nervous guy I
know I should Bruce L's name is Richel yeah because we see him in there so
much stuff but like because we do get a little because they are showing us a
little bit of the things that if this were an actual Vietnam movie they would
have cut this part out but they left it in this so we are getting a little bit

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of that this is a movie comedy going on but yeah it is a long-ass battle scene
before we get to the point where Ben Stiller goes can we call cut this isn't
working you know well yeah nothing that he calls cut on is like he can't cry the
kid he can't cry and he's trying real hard and you're watching him try to
force the tears out and our DJ isn't crying either he's just making the face

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for it which is what makes the scene wildly ironic it's neither of them are
crying but one of them is like cracking down on the other because oh you can't
cry like no it oh it was killing me I love it but then you kind of wonder like
who's the real diva here is it already Jay is it Ben Stiller and then you're

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like no it's everybody in this scene literally everyone yes this everybody
nobody is the healthy actor or anything like that okay kind of kind of baruchel
but that's because he's the new guy he hasn't been influenced he hasn't been
like the brainwash hasn't kicked in that hasn't surrounded himself with nothing
but yes men he's the normal guy so like that okay so already Jay has a million

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fantastic lines in this so I had to be very choosy over which ones I actually
put in there but when he's walking away from set and he looks back at the
director he's like and I go make a peepee okay the smile he puts on his
face all of this like oh no it's a role you cannot do he just oh he it was

(01:38:46):
perfect I mean I gotta move forward just can't
right the bombs go oh good this does remind me of one thing that I remember
hearing I can't remember the name the movie but there was a movie some years
ago where our DJ was co-starred with Zach Galifianakis of all people if you
can imagine if you can imagine I never saw it I do remember it like people

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saying it was pretty good but never got around like road trip or due dates
something like that yeah yeah no it's duty okay but yeah like I remember
seeing an interview with our DJ afterwards where he says I know this is
gonna sound weird but I think Zach Galifianakis may be the greatest actor
ever and the guy goes goes why and he goes like the dude can pop in and out of

(01:39:36):
character like he's flipping a switch like when I'm doing a movie I've got to
like live in the character's mind I got to spend like a few minutes like thinking
about what you know what I'm about who I'm about to become for that you know he
doesn't have to do that he's over here cracking jokes with the with with the
the crew and then as soon as they go hit your mark he's on his mark and he's in
character I don't know how he does that and so it's a weird thing to a certain

(01:40:00):
degree that whole sort of like trying to stay in character bit that his character
in this movie takes to such an extreme like I think that's part of why he does
so well in it because he kind of is that guy not to that extreme but he gets to
he gets where that guy's coming from and I think that's probably why he sells it
a little too well I could see that yeah okay when the bombs go off McBride

(01:40:27):
mother nature just pissed her pantsuit I'm guessing that was improv I mean it's
Danny McBride so I'm kind of guessing I know I'm in the minority but I don't
like Danny McBride you're not in the minority okay yeah he wrote there's a
lot of people he is not nice he's not the you know yeah sorry I mean some

(01:40:52):
people do and the people who like him love him but and that's fine for him yes
that's nothing against that it's just like yeah whenever I see him on screen
and just like like and I cannot tell you why hey fair enough the first look at
Les Grossman caught everyone off guard so so many people didn't realize that was

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Tom Cruise until way later in the movie or not until the credits like yeah kind
of crazy it was awesome stoned Portnoy the whole the whole explanation when you
get like the e-news going over it and you see like Jack Black's character he's

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got the heroin addiction Jackson's character is all about drink the booty
sweat and bad boy Lazarus like it was it's funny it's like just watching him
be the bad boy going over and then the controversial skin augmentation or skin
pigment augmentation right and oh my god just too good and but but that was a

(01:42:04):
great way to do an exposition dump the trailers at the beginning of the movie
and this scene like that with tug speedman just staring at it and crushing
like someone close to you said XYZ and they're like somebody said they were
close to me whoo that line that moment was and then you see Christine Taylor

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being the actor his Ben Stiller's real-life wife playing opposite of him
in the movie within a movie simple Jack right good god dude this like there was
there's so much to cover in this it's so complete where yes mother night
definitely a must-see Tropic Thunder you just must see this that's the thing yeah

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it's it's like there's yeah I know I it was at the point where you kind of sit
there and go like how can we even have a conversation if you haven't seen it kind
of thing like it is listening to this right now and you have not seen this
movie you just need to listen right now and go see it yeah exactly like you're
not gonna get anything from this like you need to just go go see it you know

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no there's there's not gonna be any joke that I crack on any line that I come up
with there's not gonna be any reaction that I give that is going to be better
funnier than this movie any moment in this movie like I can say that about
myself and I can praise this movie that much like I love this one then hello

(01:43:38):
Matthew McConaughey as the pecker and freaking out about the fact that Ben
Stiller hasn't gotten his TiVo yet and I love his like I'm not gonna sugarcoat
it you're a huge star but right now you're the kid on the monkey bars with
lice we need to shave your head and get you back in the game ah I love the

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McConaughey what do you call it McConaugheyisms
McConaugheyisms I did not know that we were gonna give those a name but okay
I'm gonna give him an I'm like something but the things just the lines that he
comes up with the shit that flies out of his mouth the SNL skit that Jim Carrey
did where he was ragging on him like what McConaughey just goes into and what

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comes out of his mouth they need a specific name yeah because that is a
part of me like my is with a name like McConaughey it's really tough to jam
something into that that doesn't make it unwieldy I just found that out when I
was trying but then like we get says one tiny little line how's the adoption

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going then you know that pays off later but just one little line I liked that
that was that was good well it's not just that one little line but it's also
as he's saying that he walks into a room where there is a small Vietnamese child
in a playten pen with two armed guards standing behind him and he's like I

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don't know oh I missed that you missed it I did I must have taken notes with the
army okay real quick question I didn't miss anything on my night because I
watched it twice I didn't think I needed to watch direct thunder twice when I
watched the movie I watched the director's cut which version did you

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watch I didn't watch the director's cut oh so I got more movie than you did yes
that and that might be why I didn't see that moment I don't ever remember
seeing that moment okay yeah no he no he literally he after after McConaughey
asked him how's the adoption going while he's still on the phone stiller
walks into a room where there's a Vietnamese child in a playpen and two

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armed guards standing next to him and Ben Stiller goes I don't know I think
all the good ones are taken whoa okay yeah uh well it's free on Amazon Prime
right now so maybe I'll go check that out as I'm going to sleep tonight because
I'm very curious how I missed that dude dude you get to watch Tropic Thunder for the first

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time again the directors cut I'm that yep that does sound I'm looking forward
to that I'm very excited for scenes that I've missed yeah that does bring up
another point because when we cover a very specific movie that you haven't
seen yet we are definitely covering the director's cut if we can find it okay
it's just so much better

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prices meeting and hello Tom by the way for those who don't know the key grip is
just the go-to guy whatever you need whatever doesn't matter key grip and
that is why Les Grossman asks who is the key grip and tells him to go punch the
director really hard and that hit wow that looked like it hurt but that's

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because they they removed a frame right when the hit took place so it looked
like he got smacked real hard I like it they do that that's clever and I love
that I love how the guy he like doesn't even really when he goes like I want you
to go over there and punch that director really hard in the face he's like walks
over like just good like doesn't doesn't question it doesn't fight it he's just

(01:47:22):
like I guess that is my job after all and one goes sorry well and and hits him
hard like this is gonna be iffy joke sometimes we do like the guys who just
follow orders I don't feel good about that joke but we do part one of tonight's

(01:47:48):
episode dude I don't feel good about it
moving on moving on move pushing forward pushing forward so who choose the
scenery more in this is it Tom Cruise Nick Nolte or Bill Hader because Bill

(01:48:12):
Hader he's the underrated one in this scene but he like oh he pushes
everything a little bit further dude I would not be surprised if before they
shot these scenes Ben Stiller as the director watched it walked up to each
one of those guys like he I think he walked up to Tom Cruise and was like so
I just heard I just heard Bill Hader saying he thought you were a pussy and

(01:48:34):
couldn't handle the scene like I actually have a funny story about Bill
Hader and Tom Cruise on Tropic Thunder oh really okay so on vanilla sky Bill
Hader was not a he was a grip and he did something and like I think it knocked
Tom Cruise out or it almost did it or like almost knocked him off one of his

(01:48:56):
stunts almost went real wrong because of Bill Hader so when they ran into each
other it was either on Tropic Thunder or at SNL Tom Cruise went with the Bill
Hader and went aren't you the guy who dropped a bucket on me okay which could
you be imagine being the guy dropping something on Tom Cruise I mean consider
I mean well come on you don't know if meat morp or Zip Zop is gonna come after

(01:49:19):
you I mean yeah and I know you know you don't like it when I that's a crack on
Scientology the villains here right but it's like Tom Cruise does do you know
he is the producer of these movies and he puts himself in these crazy stunt
like he's the one who had the bright idea of how about if I ride on the
outside of an airplane if he died that day yeah Tom Cruise is awesome and

(01:49:42):
blamed for yes Tom Cruise is absolutely awesome that's I'm not gonna like like
well I'm the one who said it so obviously I'm not gonna debate it but
there are so many stories of people that are on set with Tom Cruise and all of
this stuff and he is a shining example of a pretty good guy to work with a guy

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you want to work with he always pushes the envelope he really wants to give it
his full he never asked for anything more from somebody else than he asked
from himself obviously he does he does everything and there was a cool story of
a guy I think it was on Top Gun Maverick one of the co-stars on that he wanted to

(01:50:26):
work out with him and he like Tom Cruise offered he's like yeah you know come
work out with me like we'll hit the gym and all that but when the actor went to
go join Tom Cruise they wouldn't let him through the door and he's like okay yeah
yeah Tom asked like why weren't you there he said they wouldn't let him in
Tom went and went and chewed those guys out because he's like that was a moment

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with a me and a younger actor he wanted to do this like he the ones who treated
him like he was a diva that wanted that type of stuff got chewed and the but the
ones that were trying to respect what he said didn't I like that story I like
because there are a lot of people like like no no no this isn't inclusive

(01:51:11):
everything like that I'm Tom Cruise's bodyguard I get to say no to you even
though you're a big actor like those type of power trips I never liked those
I never like so I always like that story sorry way big sidebar on that I
apologize Nick Nolte steps up he's like and Tom Cruise like who are you he's
like I'm sergeant for leaf Tabak I wrote the book he's like you're a great

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American now shut the fuck up oh that was amazing and then that threat from
Tom Cruise about shoving his fist so far up his ass like every time you fart it'll
have to tiptoe past my wedding ring I don't know how many roles there are of

(01:51:57):
Tom Cruise that we get to hear him say stuff like this but I love the only one
that comes to mind for me yeah same I can't think of another example I but I
absolutely love it Nolte convinces Coogan to go into the
jungle and shoot it like guerrilla style and just scare the crap out of all the
actors and it's successful they get up in a chopper chopper up into the jungle

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and you are no longer actors in a movie you are five men in a helicopter with
three other men it's kind of difficult really but like the funny thing is is
that Steve Coogan he he's had a few good runs here in America but for the most
part he's a British comedy actor and he doesn't good not really as well known in

(01:52:47):
America as he is in in in England and it's it's just one of those things where
it's like this dude seemingly came out of nowhere he didn't come out of nowhere
he he's a seasoned comedian we just don't know him in America that well and
but the role he plays in this movie like I've never seen anything like it

(01:53:11):
before or since honestly just the way the way he does this that is fair we
find out that black left the bulk of his heroin stash behind and the name of the
game playing in the background is too good for the scene and never it never
doesn't work for any of her scene like this it's it's why it keeps getting used

(01:53:34):
over and over again because perfect but okay collecting the cell phones and
already Jays legit has no phone and stellar hides his great great actions to
pair up with the characters mm-hmm there's a fantastic comedy all of that
but still all of the decisions that the act that the characters make makes sense

(01:53:56):
to the story and the characters which is another reason why this one is so damn
good the whole thing makes sense which is weird considering what we're talking
about yeah and it's like it makes me wonder like we know that there's there's
three writers on this screenplay I'm curious to know how long they were
writing it you know because good question there's so many parts of this

(01:54:19):
where it seems like they came up with a joke and they just had to find a way to
backtrack how to make that joke work in the seat in the movie but instead of
doing what most movies do which is just put in your little you know setups where
you can they turned every lead-up to that joke into its own joke like they

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they took time and worked out every they made sure that every page of this script
had a purpose even if that purpose ultimately was just to pay off you know
a fart joke later on in the movie which which happens they literally do like 20
minutes of lead-up to fart jokes just so they could have an actual fart joke in

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the movie Wow Ben Stiller came up with the idea for
Tropic Thunder back in 1987 during the production of Empire of the Sun so okay
yep a while it's perfect sense this this what this was a this was a pet project
this was in a magnum opus for Ben Stiller and it shows very much that's

(01:55:27):
amazing well they spent it's been almost 20 years straight on like or no no no
no he didn't actually spend that much time on so when he conceived of the idea
let's be real off and on throughout the years for sure but still almost 20 years
thinking about it before production went in back and I think 2006 I'm correct
there I'm not sure but that sounds about right moving on moving forward

(01:55:54):
who can explains the game and then pop all the parts all fall and the looks
from all of them and then Jack Black yeah there is there is a risk to take in a
comedic silence in just how long you want to make that and it was good this one

(01:56:17):
was a little longer than usual but yeah it worked and it's it's it's a it's a
tough one I have only seen one example where the comedic pause went longer and
still work and it is oh it's called unicorn store we'll have to talk about
that another time I've never even heard of that yep true Tran here's black and

(01:56:40):
they see the mine and argue about what just happened playing with that head and
true trans on the radio just they have no fear of death like awesome and McBride
fanboying all about Nick Nolte is like I don't know what it's called just know
the sound it makes when it kills a man and the look from McBride is like what I

(01:57:06):
love like I love that I love that McBride kind of like it showed that he
keyed in a little bit earlier right there I thought I thought that was good I
really appreciated that also feeds into a perfect response way later in the film
and so happy that they waited so long for that but also the thing is if Nick

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Nolte was not the one who delivered that line I may not have remembered that line
for it to be paid off that's the thing there's really something to be said
about that yep and well and it's like we were saying in in Mother Night how he
has that distinctive voice and how he had to work to hide it when he's in the
second half of his life kind of thing here he does the Nick Nolte thing where

(01:57:53):
he's so growly in everything he says that he could he could say something
like are you look pretty today and it like it's like okay call the police like
oh very much so completely agree you don't want a phone call from Nick Nolte
that will scare you I can see that they are okay so Ben Stiller finds the script

(01:58:17):
and then everything the ambush getting shot at everything is matching what is
supposed to happen in the script which just makes designs the situation to
continue and fantastic start acting and then RDJ fights back except so it was
like if you're not if if you don't think this is real then why are you still

(01:58:41):
acting and yeah why are you see if they yeah the why are you still in character
and he's like well I know a lot but I don't need to tell you what yep I don't
good care I don't cut character until the DVD commentary which what a lot I
mean these lines I they'll they're never gonna leave my brain the grenade matches

(01:59:02):
the explosion and load and lock just just to show that Ben Stiller is an
idiot it's not lock and load the brick and action star guy right load and lock
fantastic fantastic decision just to do that in reverse I mean just loved it
great decisions the of course run through the jungle has to play at this

(01:59:29):
point because it's a Vietnam movie technically and Jeff Portnoy trying to
go for his jelly beans and then Bruchel comes up and he like drops him all he's
like huh you think you're the only one who gets sick when they don't have their
jelly beans and just the confusion on Bruchel's face it was too perfect

(01:59:51):
oh god the confusing hand signs in his element as everyone else's foil we've got
we've got yeah we've got four guys all playing massive prima donnas and the
one guy who just wants to be their friend which all the way ah the way that
that hits when he's trying to talk to Artie J later on oh that one got me

(02:00:16):
you're talking to me yeah that got me
drawing oh there you go Artie Jart Artie J bonding with Ben Stiller about getting
buff and all that complete oh no no not that but about Rain Man like you never
go full like right yeah never go full blown and Rain Man gump and being there

(02:00:40):
all examples of the good way to go and then you get Sean Penn and I am Sam went
over to hand it which was a ridiculously fantastic movie and yeah he it's yeah
it's weird yeah I think it's because they didn't want to praise somebody doing

(02:01:00):
like before like it like like he was making they didn't want to make it look
like they were pro making fun of it or something like exactly okay I think that
well I think that was early white guilt early liberal white guilt tanking I am
Sam hmm okay all right it's my guess they find the body and the hooks come

(02:01:21):
off oh I almost blinded Jamie Lee Curtis on the set of Freaky Friday so he's like
you can't tell anybody about this I'll be ruined that actually happened Jamie Lee
Curtis almost got almost like got injured on filming a Freaky Friday oh I
did not know that so that is a real thing that they were referencing which

(02:01:43):
was kind of crazy and I had to look it up and find out if it was McBride who
was working on that movie because a lot of actors get started in other
departments but sadly it wasn't so not as fun as I wanted that to be I mean we
didn't mean we were talking about earlier how Bill Hader almost broke Tom
Cruise so it wouldn't have been that weird to have two of those in the same

(02:02:05):
movie that would have been yep I would have loved that Steppenwolf's the
pusher plays with the bat stealing the drugs and I mean come on that fake peeing
scene then RDJ coming out smelled like baloney from some reason that I don't
know what to make of that line but it's too good it's too funny I I love I was

(02:02:30):
having too much fun with that the the soda can and shiver from Stiller hmm
well he goes to fake pee too but he stabbed the soda can and it goes
everywhere and then like right yeah when you're peeing sometimes you get the
shivers like hmm yeah yeah that hits right like stillers overacting of the
shivers like it was it was just a subtle actor came up with some great improv in

(02:02:57):
that moment versus what we see from Tug Speedman like the carrot like every
thing every decision made sense for the characters this movie is amazing but
nobody doesn't know that like I'm not I'm not bringing news on that one oh when
Jack Black cat Jack Black catches the bat and then eats it fantastic again

(02:03:21):
this movie went way harder than it needed to and apparently the version I
saw was even harder than what you saw I guess so which I really want to see that
you're gonna have to send that over to me the the map fight and very very
famous hey what do you mean you people what do you mean you people that and

(02:03:43):
that was that was the clip they put in the trailer to let everyone know no it's
okay no no we know what we did you see here yeah we get what you see here we're
just letting you know that we know what we did too
yeah and I remember that was in the trailer and yeah that brought me in on
it too that was that was good oh let's go find those Viet Kong's it's Viet Kong

(02:04:08):
you wouldn't say Chinese's that that line I love that line that's too good
Chinese's I love it compliments him talking about how buff he is about
Rocco not Rocco rocky no Rambo that's where I got Rocco that's too dumb I

(02:04:37):
can't even cut that out yeah oh man but he compliments him with that for the
rest of your life yeah I'm gonna have to let that one stay but he compliments
him into give me that goddamn map I'm so already Jay like he I love the voice
that he chose for this role hmm it was too funny it was too good I was laughing

(02:04:59):
so so much and I like that yeah you go man they split up he's like yeah go be
all you can be man some of these lines just maybe they just landed on me I
don't know but I loved him and again a Vietnam movie playing so you have to
play sympathy for the devil right I don't think you have a choice I think

(02:05:22):
it's like Rian Johnson not being allowed to let the good guy or the bad guy have
an iPhone I think contractually you have to have these saw you didn't know that
no I did not know that that's what kind of gave away knives out the the first
one for me is because the only two characters in the entire movie that
didn't have an iPhone were Marta and Chris Evans is that a Rian Johnson thing

(02:05:46):
or is that what a studio thing it would be weird I think that's a I think that's
a Rian Johnson thing it's a contract he has with Apple the bat with the bad guy
can't use Apple products in this movie or in any of his movies it's so weird it
is and it also kind of it sucks because it gives you it gives you hints that you
shouldn't have yeah like I didn't like it and in glass onion Edward Norton he

(02:06:12):
like he gives Benoit a an iPad but he tosses it to him off-screen Edward
Norton has never seen holding the iPad it's still it's clever it's clever how
he it's clever how he pulls it off and he does it but it is kind of a it's kind
of a stupid thing it's like the rock not being allowed to lose a fight right I

(02:06:32):
would much prefer we just not have Apple products at all in movies so I think I
would like going back to just covering up logos so everything is generic I
think that would be a better way to go about Rachel explaining DVD versus
blu-ray and oh man I've been there you talking to somebody and like you're like

(02:06:53):
thinking they're listening and like all that be like have you been talking to
me this whole time oh man been there oh I've been there but Reggie Lee shows up
and I love that every time because I got to work with Reggie Lee in Portland oh
cool okay well yeah you know he was in he was in Grimm I did not know that no

(02:07:18):
I've never actually never actually watched Grimm oh meaning to cuz yeah
he's one of my hometown and it sounds like my kind of show I really should
have been watching it but I wasn't for some reason and a few of your friends
are in it so then that yeah there's reasons to watch it but no there was one
day I got hired as a stand-in body double something like that for David

(02:07:42):
Gintoli the star of Grimm and I was playing like an opposite was Reggie Lee
and he just came in he didn't he had a stand-in that was technically there but
he didn't use him he just came up and decided to mess with me and have some
fun with me and crack and crack jokes and I mean nothing like super memorable
but just he was just such a cool and chill guy and I loved meeting him and

(02:08:05):
he's another one of those just a celebrity you're saying so you're
saying that Reggie Lee is one of those guys who when he got bored and decided
to do his job pretty much but hey I like that it's how I got to meet him right
yeah otherwise I never would have met him it's kind of weird I don't have any
bad stories of any of the actors on Grimm leverage librarians some of the

(02:08:31):
other shows that I did some work with nothing not a one about anybody who was
on Grimm okay I wonder how they pulled that off good question yeah moving on
Gino and Lazarus you're Australian be Australian thank you in response to him

(02:08:52):
you like talking about like oh back home before the war get some chipmunks going
and all this like being right like trying to be as stereotypical as his
brain can take him and I like that they like as he was as Al Pacino walks away
already Jason I was like I get excited about my foods man relatable I could see

(02:09:13):
myself getting caught up and pulling some stupid stuff like that too just
being really excited about food because I'm an idiot I could I could see that
happening yeah and then stillers watching Star Trek which I thought was
just weird where why how but well it was on his phone he probably brought some

(02:09:35):
with him but that's a weird choice it's a weird choice for his character yes
thank you but then killing a panda and then his epic response to that like
breaking out in sadness and depression and then wearing it all right cool but
then McBride finds out that Nick Nolte was actually a Coast Guard garbage man

(02:09:59):
and that's not me knocking the Coast Guard he was literally in the sanitation
department of the Coast Guard I want to be very clear on that because we've kind
of talked about the fact I'm a veteran and they we tend to knock the Coast
Guard quite a bit okay was not aware there was a beef but okay I don't think
it's a beef it's just a very one-sided series of jokes okay I got you but you

(02:10:26):
got to give it to them they're the ones who go out to those like oil refineries
that out out in the ocean and stuff like that like the ones in the Coast Guard
who do they do sure yeah like there's some genuine ass heroes in there like
I'm not I'm not discounting that in any way stillers got a new hat of the Panda

(02:10:48):
it's a weird way to put that and McConaughey goes into crisis mode about
a hooker thinking that stiller killed a hooker the thing he loved the most not a
Panda I was I I had fun with that that was that was killing me but the thing
that he freaks out about is there still no TiVo right love that cuz I mean

(02:11:13):
that's his I mean that's his job you know he's the agent he's supposed to
make sure these things it's the one problem and especially now and we like
he's you know he I can't remember what the clue in was that that he might be
thinking of another agency or something like that and so now he's like the now
my job in line I gotta make sure that you know so it's like you know it's oh

(02:11:36):
it's like I'm moving on I'm in a whole different world now like I ride yeah and
he kind of freaks out about it's one of the one of those like I like everything
else in this movie it's all blown way out of proportion but at the same time
at its base makes sense nobody does anything in this movie yeah nobody in
this movie does anything that doesn't make any sense unless you know except

(02:12:00):
for the characters that themselves don't make sense but even they kind of make
sense because actors okay I can give you that you know versus Osiris again the
dingo ate my baby and the n-word so it was a real story you know that is it
child that is a real story that is also a real real story like that was the
mother was arrested because they thought that she lied but they actually found

(02:12:24):
the evidence eventually no that is a genuine real story like right I didn't
know that the woman got arrested because they thought that she killed her baby
though that I found out actually I think earlier this year it's still kind of
crazy but it was but already J slaps Jackson for saying the n-word and then

(02:12:45):
gets that hug and starts like acting out the theme song from the Jeffersons
that was good poppin black up on the back of an ox
and still are still thinks he's in the POW camp scene 67 and he keeps like

(02:13:09):
spitting at the one dude and they just keep going like back and forth which
with Ben Stiller directing this movie and the way he broke his like no no okay
do it again duty and spit my face again all that I'm wondering if that was him
actually directing the guy and they just decided to keep it in you never know you

(02:13:32):
never know that is true you just don't like they're too good I know and I got
the weirdest craving to go watch heavyweights now it's I know we'll space
out the Ben Stiller movies a little bit we won't do we won't actually do that
for me I'm Brad dodgeball ooh god too good I love that movie you good too fun

(02:13:55):
I love it young Brandon Su who watching over dude this kid was such a bad this
guy was such a badass kid oh the little warlord kid right right right
brandon his name is Brandon yeah his name is Brandon Su who and he is an
outstanding martial artist if you remember GI Joe the rise of Cobra he was

(02:14:19):
one of those if I would remember it if I ever saw it there's only one real reason
to watch that movie and it's the origin like the snake eyes being a kid because
him fighting kids snake eyes that is one that fight you what okay it's it's kind

(02:14:40):
of insane like just go to YouTube and like watch that clip or something it's
amazing especially after the first after the after the first GI Joe movie I
didn't even bother with any further ones I almost that was the first movie I
don't remember that in the first one yeah the two like snake eyes as a kid
going to the dojo everything like that don't remember any of that yeah okay

(02:15:04):
well you said you would remember it so ha well this thing is that the first
one was so bad that's that I must have put it on my head because yeah I guess I
must assume that you were talking about the second one for some reason but you
know I almost I almost swore off Mattel movies entirely after that one that's
how I didn't know there was another Mattel movie besides Barbie after that

(02:15:25):
but isn't transformers Mattel I am okay fair enough I have no clue that is not
that is not a world I know about care about I okay I'll give you that they see
the processing plant and Jack Black's character is just wide-eyed like all the
heroin heroin in the world that oh my I loved it it was amazing they see that

(02:15:51):
they got Ben Stiller and then Tran with the dragon on his tum-tum and then Ben
Stiller just kind of looking like were there some rewrites yeah they're water
torturing him and he's trying to yell cut between every every dunk of the water
yeah just oh god I had fun with this one but then yeah they beat him into being

(02:16:17):
simple Jack and then they all bow before him as simple Jack and he's like and
that one dude in the background you should have got Oscar is like no man just
to be nominated they're like you were nominated he's like I don't know just if
I would have been it would have been nice that was a great moment and then

(02:16:40):
the pecker versus Grossman and I like that like what do you need peck he's
like I don't know what do you need glasses to the guy wearing glasses and
his confusion is perfect no way around that absolutely perfect and then they
get the call we are flaming dragon and then the representation misunderstanding

(02:17:02):
that came around that one right yeah I'm sorry man but Reggie Lee's responses to
Cruz's threats and then just peck is in the back like yeah I loved it man it was
good uh tug being forced to perform wearing that other guy's dentures oh

(02:17:28):
I'll gag every time I see that yeah that was that was something the actors
figuring it out and the chief or Al Pacino like calling out our DJ cleaning a
gun with no bullets and I'm just like a little boy playing with the ding-dong
he's nervous like I mean he obviously didn't say ding-dong but I'm still

(02:17:50):
trying to play with the algorithms and make sure that I'm you know I'm trying
here or no I had a look we just did a whole hour on Nazis I know basically
confusing the algorithm as much as possible would be our best bet right now
so say whatever the fuck I know I hear you that's kind of like one thing I do

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kind of what I would do later right or no it has the catapult idea from his
movie sex camp and I love that he looks at baruchel and he's like remember he's
like yeah like like this dumb irreverent comedy that is definitely for like the
pervy horny teens just like that so he looks at one guy and I love that he was

(02:18:36):
actually correct that he saw it and no that was too much fun for me no we'll do
it just like in the book of the script nobody read the book nobody read the
script and rdj's response how to read the script the script reads me fantastic

(02:18:56):
fantastic turning cruises office into the situation room and flaming dragon
demands a hundred million dollars and instead of a hundred million I'll send
you a hobos dick cheese that is a hell of a line from Tom Cruise I mean Wow but

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again I love the fact that it's so hard to tell that it's Tom Cruise in this
even when you know it's Tom Cruise you're still looking at it going how like
that is that is a fantastic part of this I spend to every time every time he's on
screen I spend too much of the time sitting there going like are those his

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real hands what's no no that was a specific note that he said for it he had
an idea he told Ben so he's like I don't know why I just I really see him with
really bad hands that was like like the dancing was Tom Cruise's idea the fat
hands was Tom Cruise's idea like like Tom Cruise got a like deserves a lot of

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credit for a lot of the comedy in this and you just don't expect that from Tom
Cruise no yeah I mean at least at least I don't but then you go watch movies like
night and day himself good I said he certainly hasn't branded himself that
way that's for sure like he no I even before Mission Impossible it was movies

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like vanilla sky and stuff like that he's he's very much like a serious guy
he is sometimes like I he seems to be did you ever see night and day I don't think I
have it doesn't sound familiar that's the movie that he plays opposite of
Cameron Diaz and honestly it's really weird how funny he is in that hmm okay

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you can't you kind of wonder like why he doesn't do more comedy roles but I mean
Tom Cruise's Tom Cruise he busy well I feel like he did a lot of comedy his
early days like wasn't his first big movie risky business that was a comedy
I was one of his biggest ones but I mean come on you think Tom Cruise you think
the Mission Impossible movies you think Steel Magnolias you think Top Gun

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none of those are funny no yeah I won that maybe that's it maybe it's just by
the very nature the fact his comedies didn't other than risky business his
comedies didn't really hit the way his action movies or his drama movies did
and so he's kind of stuck himself in this rut maybe I the biggest movie star

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in the world is not stuck in a rut I gotta say I mean whatever he wants to do
is what he wants to do so I cannot and what he wants to do is strap himself on
the outside of an airplane apparently not be funny that's not a rut I want to

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do that I just can't any find anybody that will let me Tom Cruise just gets to
do whatever he wants and people throw millions of dollars behind it to let him
do it if I could find that kind of backing I do all the same things just
not run as fast or as far okay fair but I mean if that were true why isn't he
doing more comedy because he clearly likes it if he's willing to go this hard

(02:22:10):
out for less Grossman why is this like the only funny thing we've seen him do
since the I don't think he's in a rut I think it's I think it's what he wants I
think he's doing he's doing what he wants to do I really I I can't think
that there's somebody out there telling Tom Cruise that he's not allowed to do
something unless it's like the head of time ahead of the Scientology Church from

(02:22:33):
my understanding yes that's exactly what happens but I'm gonna have rumors so who
can say for sure oh yeah there's that Peck struggle with the business aspect
of the industry versus and with Cruz dancing and like you want me to turn on
my best friend and abandon him somebody I've been close to for 15 years for a g5

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airplane like tugs performance is getting better better and already J is
sitting back there kind of critiquing him as he's doing it and really
explaining about the human experience and all shit and then but you know whack
told you I'd get you back it's good it was good I liked it

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portnoy wants out because he knows that he's gonna be a risk to it and I like
that already Jay had them was like are we cool and Al Pacino's like not really
like nobody lets him off the hook for doing blackface in this movie and that
that's another reason why it worked nobody was cool with it that was a

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great idea confessing to the others that Jack
black confessing to the others that he's an addict and like yeah you take me down
there I'm gonna do all the heroin in the world can't do it like that the
decisions that were made for this are too good they're all golden and then we

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get our introduction to half squat Ben Stiller's adopted her tug speed men's
adopted baby here's the thing is this kid this kid is more of a prop than
anything else he just sort of there but he has his own payoff and it is probably

(02:24:21):
the most golden payoff in the movie in my purse up there it is up there I have
to give you that or no I attached to the tree and them talking about romance and
your mother's a canker is whore hey guys remember way back when when I said your
mother's a canker is whore I didn't mean that and then we find out Alpas gay and

(02:24:47):
the way we do is like you got a look around the eye what's her name
lights lights you gotta say listen here Lance Lance what the fuck did I just
hear there's a little bit of homophobia in the scene but not really because

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nobody cares except Alba right exactly and I think yeah that seems like more of
a commentary on the the homophobia of mainstream hip-hop culture then you know
then an actual homophobia you got to wonder if that's about to change
considering everything we found out about how many of the hip-hop mainstream

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culture is at least fluid hey you know it was bound to happen eventually you
know yes there I think I iced he even like tried to nudge it a little bit with
like there was a couple episodes of of the fucking show he's on thank you SVU

(02:25:53):
Jesus I forgot SVU time to check me in but but yeah he's done he's a couple of
those episodes of SVU he had a little he had a little nod to like you know the
secret gay culture of masculine you know black neighborhoods and stuff like that
and so he you know he's trying he's not he's not stepping all the way out and

(02:26:15):
making a statement but he's you know he's trying okay I'm curious what makes
you think that was iced he's decision to include that in the show he could always
say no he's ice fucking tea man but I guess you know more about that show and
the actors in that show than I do I have literally no idea I know iced tea more

(02:26:40):
from his music honestly than I do from his acting okay I never got I don't
like procedural cop shows there it's like emotional torture porn oh I feel
you there yeah yeah it's not not it's not my thing but my

(02:27:00):
yeah I'm gonna I mean like I'm gonna say this on the air it's kind of nuts I'm
gonna say it's on the air but it's also very understandable because I don't
think there's many people who don't know where it comes from so you can't really
clip it as though I it's me saying it I'll cradle the balls stroke the

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shaft work the pipe and swallow the gravy get it over here buddy let's do
this
Jack Black's greatest line poetry of his whole career that was it's amazing the
delivery the hilarity there's nothing about that that was not absolutely
incredible that was that was the songwriter in him coming out right there

(02:27:45):
like that was that was that was a tenacious D line that didn't quite make
it into a song oh I completely agree and sneaking into the compound McBride and
Nolte find out that they aren't at fault which sends them in heaven and like
that Artie J sneaks in with or comes up with Jack Black and tries to turn him in

(02:28:07):
and mispronounces like it he's a rice field versus a poppy farm and he goes
and they locate like where is your farm comes out he is my farm I'm a land
farmer motherfucker again this movie went way too hard but it worked see you keep

(02:28:29):
saying it went too hard I but you know what no it didn't it did perfect it went
exactly where it needed to go it they just they didn't care they didn't have
any hesitation they had the skill the talent and the caliber of actors to
actually sell these lines right yeah in that's true that is true

(02:28:49):
readable now so they take control of the situation and then Jack Black has the
tiny little drug kingpin and he's like all right now show me where the drugs
are runs away in his underwear just don't judge me just loved it loved it
too much and then Alp is having trouble keeping him down and the one guy just

(02:29:13):
keeps listing al Pacino movies right and I like that like Jackson's like man
that's an entirely different person that was great
Nolte and McBride prep for our big finale and McBride I don't know what
it's called I only know the sound it makes when it lies that that is the payoff

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that I was talking about earlier that if you didn't have Nick Nolte as the one
saying that line I might not have remembered it right exactly very good
black gets dressed and no fire Cyrus finds tug and he's like I'm not going
anywhere and shows up with his little stick figure of things like that's your
stick buddy the delivery on these lines go watch this what this was an amazing

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scene where you basically have like Robert Downey jr. you know being a
character who's trying to stay in character while trying to break someone
else out of character and the intensity that he and still are both play with

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this scene every way it's obviously a nod to Apocalypse Now like they opened
it up with the with Apocalypse Now imagery and everything like there's like
and now we're gonna do our homage to Apocalypse Now pay attention like it and
the lighting on it and everything yeah the lighting and you know home I am home

(02:30:50):
like that that whole thing you know and it and yeah it's like it's like we were
saying before about airplane like what made airplane work was that these were
serious actors not acknowledging they were in a comedy this is the one scene
where these two over actors not acknowledging that they are both

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over acting and it worked yes and then Jack Black gets whacked and
Brandon Su who was like I keep them gonna keep singing his praises as an as
a child actor he was awesome and I'm gonna look into what he's done recently
because I'm genuinely curious and yeah the little kid gets tackled the mountain

(02:31:36):
of heroin heroin and Portnoy has a hard existential crisis and they only
laugh at my farts and then the hero and then he attacks them with the heroin
let's move we only have 16 hours before they wake up amazing get to the chopper

(02:31:57):
give me your hooks and then Nolte gets a flamethrower watching Nick Nolte have fun
with a flamethrower was fun like a lot of fun there are there are things that
you know it's like peanut butter and jelly Nick Nolte and a flamethrower man
they just go to the perfect it works and the very very famous line from Artie J

(02:32:18):
and Tropic Thunder I know who I am I'm the dude playing a dude disguised as
another dude you're the dude who don't know what dude he is I think the
curtain the the creators the muse whoever gave that line to my life thank
you thank you and tug is able to throw Artie J into his character break and

(02:32:45):
Buchanan Jackson with all the encouragement and what do we get back
from Ben Stiller I'm a rooster illusion if that is an
homage or a throw to anything you're gonna have to tell me because I don't
know what that is supposed to I don't that I that I think is just pure
unfiltered stiller man because then it was brilliance and I think there was an

(02:33:09):
improv line I think they were just like point point the camera at me I'm gonna
get into character and I'm gonna say as much nonsensical stuff as I can think of
we're gonna use whatever five seconds works best I if that's how that went
down they nailed it absolutely 100% and oh the bridge of explosives and all this

(02:33:31):
is just say no to this you little drug-making mmm like love I mean okay
McBride had great moments in this even if you don't like McBride he's still
delivered that's the thing is like refers as much as you know for whatever
it's worth this was kind of the perfect role for him like that's kind of what

(02:33:52):
how it would like that how it worked you know and that and this is the role that
he played in a bunch of other movies basically this exact same character
right it's it's very few times that I've seen McBride actually do acting outside
of being this persona like yeah different roles and everything like that
different situations but it's really often this persona so but a great

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moment is when they rescue for leaf they're like you grew hands and
everybody freaks out about it in their own way Jack Black is like freaking out
like what am I high now like what happened when Artie J as Osiris finds
out it my mind the movie did not play into this in any way but my mind

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Artie J's character believed that like Tabak didn't have hands so like when he
saw that he did have hands like like was he having like a mental break he's like
oh my god how far did I go into this character I literally thought this guy
had no hands like the movie didn't play that but that's just me throwing some

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stuff on there the truck blowing up brings tug to life and all of a sudden
he remembers Sandusky's name he's given orders everything is clear they're all
the right decisions but of course the hero can't have sleeves so he's got a
rip them off so we can see them guns right oh he's an action hero he knows

(02:35:24):
how it works he's done six scorcher movies he knows what the rules are there
you go and the double explosion I always loved that double explosion where Ben
Stiller's flying through the air and then another one goes off and it sends
him off screen like that I always thought that was great that I really did

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then rdj goes to Stiller for the real life version of the opening sequence
like can't feel my legs oh they're they're in a puddle they're right there
oh yeah look at that like don't look now you got some real tears going that's the
stuff accolades are made of like the encouragement the the break from reality

(02:36:07):
a couple of actors just not realizing the gravity of the situation around them
golden golden moments and peck shows up and saves the day with the TiVo right
great moment great great moments skipping you skipped over the adopted

(02:36:29):
kid payoff we were talking about earlier ah go for it go for it yeah yeah so like
there there is a moment before they get in the chopper and they've got to go you
know they see that that for leaf for leaf yeah for leaf yeah is is still in
there and he's like go without me stillers like you know I can go right I
can go there and talk to these people are they they like me and so he go they

(02:36:52):
he's like you guys all all go take the chopper oh my god and he goes back to
and then and then a couple seconds later we see we hear gunfire again and he's
running back towards them going like I was wrong I was wrong getting the good
let's get the chopper and while he's doing that running we see his little
adopted child that he was so in love with her there on his back with the knife

(02:37:16):
stabbing him super fast and repeatedly it that I think was the funniest fucking
thing I had ever seen that tiny little like Vietnamese or Malaysian child
whatever country they were supposed to be in at that point love just rapidly
stabbing the shit out of Ben Storch back it was great but the the thing is that

(02:37:37):
one got a huge laugh out of me the first time that I saw it and I always look
forward to seeing it now because I can't I can never forget that so I can never
see that moment again for the first time like that no everything else in this
movie kind of comes and goes not that one but the line that feeds into that is
one of my favorite ones of this movie and it's like when Ben so is like I have

(02:38:01):
a son little half squat and our J who in the crikey fuck is half squat
crikey fuck crikey fuck that I love that I love that so much an RDJ his
character finally drops the the the stereotypical black character and turns

(02:38:23):
into a stereotypical Australian perfect and then they get away all that and tug
speedman wins the Oscar for Tropic Blunder the movie that they wound up
making about the epic failure about the lie and everything that came out of all

(02:38:44):
God right yeah the jubilation on Ben Stiller when he's in the background
celebrating over getting the Golden Glo- er getting the Oscar unbelievable but
with that our Alpa got Lance and Kevin got Jennifer Love Hewitt right yeah
yeah what a great what a great little series of half of happy endings and but

(02:39:07):
the Tom Cruise ending with Bill Hader just that seriously a nutless monkey
could do your job like their whole line like I love that like Bill Hader's like
like trying to improv I I think this scene it was supposed to be improv and
it was supposed to end but Tom Cruise kept it going and that's why you get

(02:39:29):
that moment from Bill Hader he's like what are we doing here fuck okay because
he was supposed to leave you could see he was trying to leave so hard but he
didn't know well but he was acting against like with Tom Cruise I want to
know how much Tom Cruise was torturing him in that scene that's a really good
question yeah because it sold it sold perfectly and then the fantastic dance

(02:39:54):
ending from Tom Cruise in that less Grossman suit yeah I love this that was
the big the big the big payoff yeah now every every yeah this is one of those
like game-changing comedies like right up there with the first Austin Powers
movie and you know the first hangover movie where it's like you know let's

(02:40:15):
like like we're just gonna go into this with there is no such thing as too much
we're gonna go what's your crazy idea we're putting in it all the way to the
bit all the way yeah final thoughts on Tropic Thunder
yeah definitely I mean I I personally find it hard to believe that there's

(02:40:37):
anybody out there who hasn't seen it but yeah I think it's going to go down in
history as a as an iconic comedy like the ones I just mentioned and so yeah you
should definitely you should definitely see it go it to your kids when they're
about 1617 that's probably about the safe point before you know don't show

(02:40:57):
it to them when they're eight or nine that's you're not gonna do yourself any
favors you know but yeah I think that is going to be one of those one of those
persistent classics I keep meaning to check because like I said like I said
that this is definitely a magnum opus for Ben Stiller I keep meaning to go look
to see what he's done since then I keep forgetting and I can't still life of me

(02:41:20):
yeah the secret life of Walter Schmidt was one of the really really big ones
that he did I didn't hear about that oh you should go check that one out did
well did he direct it or did he just act it oh I don't know if he directed it I
kind of I was wondering what you were researching up on your phone I figured

(02:41:41):
it was stuff like this hmm I just looked up one actor's name that was it that's
all I haven't touched my phone since what are you talking about really oh
yeah I've been looking down I had no idea what you were looking down at oh
let's see what has been still are directed since Tropic Thunder that's the

(02:42:02):
that's the question we're looking for right now I forgot he directed the cable
guy right that was the directorial debut I think wasn't it not sure I just wound
up seeing that he what he directed seven episodes of Severance escape and Dan
Amora Zoolander to the secret life of Walter Mitty and that's everything he's

(02:42:26):
directed since hmm okay so I would so yeah if you want to see another example
of his directing go check out the secret life of Walter Mitty it is a good one
okay I do remember reading the the short story in school years back so it'd be
interesting oh all right so the movie fight round one who did we care about

(02:42:46):
more between the characters in Tropic Thunder and the characters in Mother
Night I just now realized how much tougher that actually is yeah cuz
there's you don't care about them in the same way but you do care about the
characters in Tropic Thunder kind of but you also kind of you're kind of not

(02:43:07):
supposed to because they are all but we do see them go on a redemption arc to a
certain yeah so I mean like you're still rooting for them to like figure it out
yeah you're not rooting for who they are you're rooting for who they're supposed
to become right and Mother Night it's not so much that you start rooting for him
as much as you start feeling sorry for him you know what I think just because

(02:43:30):
of the the caring aspect like you do you feel sorry for him you care about him
you kind of the kind of kind of God I you know what I I want to give it to
Mother Night just because I I wouldn't feel good about getting into Tropic
Thunder okay if I'm being honest I will not argue that which one did a better

(02:43:52):
job what in what they were aiming for in the technical aspects I think so because
they both they both did perfectly in what they were trying to do in every way
where that's true comedy is harder so I I'm leaning towards Tropic Thunder

(02:44:13):
because where Mother Night absolutely succeeded and everything it was trying
to pull off there's no failure or anything like that is an adaptation of a
book that was put a huge amount of thought into and it's very by the
numbers mmm suppose that's true there wasn't a lot of

(02:44:36):
thunder took more risks yeah when you're when you're making a movie using World
War two is very low-hanging fruit to immediately evoke emotion from the
audience so I think around I want to give to Mother Night round two I want to
give to Tropic Thunder okay which one I would recommend see here's the thing

(02:44:58):
Mother Night is an absolute must see Tropic Thunder I would recommend to
literally everybody anybody all the time anytime there's not a time that I would
say no but also for me to actually be able to say you want to watch a
successful example of blackface that's kind of an amazing thing to be able to

(02:45:22):
say for me it's more of a case of like other night is a movie to recommend I
don't think you really need to recommend tropics this is this is a well-known
movie it comes up people start to people talk about it on the internet every
every year some new 18 year old discovers it for the first time thinks
they just found gold and tells everybody about it and the controversy starts all

(02:45:44):
over again every fucking year and you don't need to recommend this movie to
anybody nobody's ever heard of Mother Night you know one's gonna see it unless
you recommend it to them so you kind of have to where I see where you're coming
from with that I think Shin there's list is a better World War two movie that's
that's the reason you would recommend a movie well no like you see here like

(02:46:08):
these two for for where you're kind of where you're kind of going through you
talking like World War two movies stuff like that I don't know is a con mother
night is a controversial film yeah I don't think I would call it a World War
two movie I think it like it's it's a movie about a lot of things that just
happens to take place in World War two because that was a time that all of

(02:46:28):
these things were happening okay no it's a World War two movie it's a big I mean
we can't I mean we can't go back and forth on that everything like that but
main character is playing a Nazi everything is about like the
eradication of six million Jews I mean it's it's mainly about playing a role for

(02:46:52):
the sake of your own personal comfort and and whether or not you become the
role you play like you like this could the same thing the same thing could have
played out in like the same setting as well serpent in the rainbow you know you
could you could have done this exact same story with a Tonton Maquette as you
could with a Nazi this isn't a World War two movie this is a personal

(02:47:13):
demons movie it's a world where it takes place it takes place in World War two
about Nazis it's a World War two movie I mean that's that's not really I mean
you have to you you struggle with whether you struggle with whether you're
empathizing or sympathizing with the character that is faking being a Nazi
helping being responsible for the like death of so many people like if you if

(02:47:36):
I did if it was not a World War two movie and the character though you were
struggling with was not going through it in World War two you wouldn't struggle
with it as much the weight of it wouldn't well I mean again we could be
talking about the Tonton Maquette's here like we just it's not it's harder
because you'd have to first explain what the hell they did because their stuff

(02:47:58):
isn't as much in our in our and if they cover the Tonton Maquette's I would say
that it was a Tonton Maquette type movie this is a World War two movie
because the characters are all like the whole thing takes place in World War two
and the effects that come after it is not a war film. I never sat down and had a
conversation of what do you think is the best World War two movie because that
has never has never come up for me. That's not where I'm coming from I'm not

(02:48:22):
talking about war films and yes I absolutely have had conversations over
which is the best World War two movie I I'm sure you have that's you're a
movie guy. Which one has told the best story? World War two is not a genre it's a set.
Yeah so what that so? That's like that's like asking what do you think is the

(02:48:46):
best French movie? Okay you can answer that. No. You get what is your what is
your favorite French movie what do you think the best like you can give your
opinion yeah you can easily do that there's no way you can't do that. Okay
are we talking French romance, French comedy, French horror? See if you go if

(02:49:07):
you go into a more specific question then it changes the question. Well you
can ask somebody what their favorite like what they think the best French film
is. If you go into more specific you can like what's the best like your favorite
like the best French film in this genre but still a French film they have all
their French films. Any movie that takes place. I don't think it's a legitimate

(02:49:32):
comparison to say that you might not recommend Mother Night to someone solely
because Schindler's List exists. Then let me finish my argument then.
The like with going with this if I'm talking about films like somebody wants
to watch a film about World War two things like that I would give a
recommendation something like that. That is a conversation I've had it's just fact

(02:49:58):
I've had that conversation I like I can't really that that is a conversation
that people do have. Saving Private Riding like go through which one is the
best World War two Pearl Harbor, Save it Private Riding like people have those
conversations that's that is not even kind of out of the ordinary but when I'm

(02:50:19):
going through like when I'm give like when I'm talking about where I'm coming
from with a recommendation and stuff like that it is which one is the best.
This movie feels like for the right type of person but I do know many people that
are not the kind of people that would appreciate Mother Night or even
understand why I told them to watch it. I think Mother Night is a film for a

(02:50:43):
specific type of person or persons. It's a little bit broader not exactly
specific it's not like Existence but it's not going to land on everybody the
way that another film like Schindler's List would. It's more specific so I
wouldn't recommend it to everybody like you're saying I would recommend it to

(02:51:07):
the people that I think it would work for. I disagree I would in fact
recommend this to everybody and again yeah there might be some people it
doesn't land with but I think that there's a conversation there to be had
rather than just not recommending to them. Well I don't want to recommend a
movie that I know somebody's gonna hate just because I think it's important. I

(02:51:30):
want to recommend a movie that somebody go see because I think it's
something that they would appreciate. But yeah same here that's the thing like I
don't I would be shocked if someone didn't like it you know unless it was
unless it was like something like I can't stand Nick Nolte the sound of his
voice grates on me like okay that's weird but okay. Well there is that and I

(02:51:54):
think the only thing that actually kind of saves it is the fact that he takes
his own life at the end of the movie. If he got away with it I like if he got
released if he got his freedom I didn't I wouldn't think this is a good movie.
Well but that's like yeah that's already well you know that this is where it's
ending like even like before he turns himself in he's standing in the street

(02:52:16):
with nowhere to go you know this guy has basically decided he can't go on he you
know he just can't do it himself until he's put in a position where he realizes
he's gonna have to he's about to be set free again for like the fourth time.
Nah I get that. Where we were talking a little bit earlier about like people's
white guilt is probably what snubbed I am Sam at the Oscars. I don't think like

(02:52:42):
I don't like I I feel weird about recommending this one because of a lot
of the things that are in it and it almost pitches actually no it doesn't
almost pitch it directly pitches that you can't even judge the worst people
among us because you don't know what they're doing behind the scenes. I don't

(02:53:04):
like that message.
Like it feels weird. I did not I did not see it that way but now that you said it
now I kind of do see it. Okay so okay you see where I'm coming from a little
bit here like where it's a little bit dirty like on the recommendation? I mean

(02:53:26):
no. Because you knew about this for a long time so your brain wasn't going to
these places. As I was watching this it's like okay so is this how people defend
Alex Jones? But that's what I'm saying people are going to see this they're
going to see it and they're going to like and the questions that are going to

(02:53:46):
come up it's a little uncomfortable and I get that it's supposed to be. Yeah but
also at the same time they do kind of point out that even with the best of
intentions he still did the damage and he's still guilty of the damage that he
did. So even if yes you don't know what's going on even the yes there's some sort

(02:54:07):
of like underground plan that makes this sort of okay it's still not okay. Like
that was to me was the point of it is like yeah he's an American spy yes he
he's sending secret messages but like like his father-in-law said it didn't
matter what you were doing for us was so much better than anything you could have

(02:54:28):
done for them. Like I don't I don't think that was the message the message was
even the best intentions don't get you out of this. That's what I'm saying like
I'm struggling with this. Again why I say this is one of those things where it's
like I would rather have this conversation with someone than not tell
them to see the movie just because I think they might take it wrong that way.

(02:54:49):
Well no I do hear where you're coming from with that it is but the thing is
it's like where I talk about where I'm coming from with like the
recommendation sometimes it is because I do think it's in it like it is
important and everything like that. The level of importance from this one where
I'm talking about a lot of this came through where it comes to the

(02:55:10):
understanding over what happened what he did during World War two no no no I
don't agree with what Schindler did in World War two that's a character that I
would empathize with like that's that's where I'm that's where I'm really
struggling with how can I actually give this a rep give a recommendation to go

(02:55:32):
basically give a study on characters that reflect human beings that I think
are absolutely atrocious and it gives them the benefit of the doubt. It's
really weird for me but I but I get it this is a controversial movie it's the
it's supposed to be a struggle. I don't know how to take this one like I really

(02:55:54):
don't think that's where yeah because I mean we put it up with against one of
the greatest like one of the greatest comedies of the century. One could
almost say that Tropic Thunder should be disqualified for being a obvious ringer
I mean come on man. All right how am I gonna do this? All right we'll get okay

(02:56:19):
fair I'll give it to Mother Night. Thank you. Yeah it's when we get into the
season finale movie fight I am going to fight against all the things that I have
brought I am going to fight against it at that point because of everything that

(02:56:44):
I said like so if it winds up going more than two rounds into the actual finale
I'm going to lose my shit. You and I both know none of my movies are making it to
the semi-finals come on. I'm pretty sure I already know which one is gonna win
this season but I mean how do you compete with Stardust which is a weird

(02:57:11):
thing to say considering what it is but I need to go I need to go back and
actually look at the movie. We've been covering good movies man. Well yeah it's not my fault that like when I put out a poll 100% of the audience
said they wanted movie fights. We should and we should know by now that whatever
our audience votes for we should go the opposite direction we should know that

(02:57:34):
by now. That's you. That's you. I like our audience. All right all right what do we
got set up for next week? Next week for you I have Stardust a fantastic film
starring Charlie Cox Claire Dane with Robert De Niro Michelle Pfeiffer and a

(02:58:01):
whole host of other characters or of other actors. What do you got for me? Well
I remember when I only reason I saw Stardust in the first place is because I
thought I was getting a bootleg copy of the Golden Compass. A friend of mine had
read the books said that it was amazing wanted to see the movie adaptation and
so I tried to find a copy of it and ended up with the wrong movie somehow and

(02:58:25):
so maybe maybe the the Golden Compass see if these movies actually you know
see if we can understand why it is that someone might confuse these movies when
selling bootleg versions of them in the streets of China. Hey fair enough I
haven't seen the Golden Compass before so this will be a new one this would be a

(02:58:45):
first-timer for me. It's based off of the books the book series His Dark Materials
is that right? Correct yeah it's the name of the series. The first book that this is
based off is called Northern Lights I think is what it was called. Okay all
right well there you go all right we'll see you guys we are going to be covering

(02:59:07):
the premiere of a film called The Activated Man directed and written by
Nicholas Genie so we will be in LA covering the premiere of that next week
so we won't be doing our live but we will still have the episode coming up on
the our scheduled episode is still going to be released on Saturday

(02:59:31):
so that's our show for this week from now until then stay safe and stay sane
guys adios

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