Episode 13: Exploring Frequency Healing with Haley Mueller

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I can't even imagine.

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Have you heard those words and thought to yourself, neither can I?
But it happened.
You lived it.
But most importantly, you survived it.
We hear you, we see you, and we're here to talk about it.
We're two moms, lifelong best friends, and we've both experienced traumatic life-altering
events involving our children.

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Welcome to episode 13 of I Can't Even Imagine.
I'm Victoria.
And I'm Stephanie.
The fog?
It's like all over the state.
I think it's even further north than that.
It's weird.
I don't know.
I just said to you this morning that when I was outside walking the dog, I used my phone
light and it looked like misty rain, even though I couldn't feel anything on my skin.
But it was like blowing, like rainfall.

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It was the weirdest thing.
That's what it looks like in all these videos on Facebook.
People are sharing all kinds of videos of this weird fog where they have a light shining
on it.
Like exactly what you said, it kind of looks like rain.
But they're saying it's not natural.
And alluding to there being something a little more conspiracy theory about it.

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Just put it that way.
Like what?
Like the, you know, geoengineering and us being poisoned by something else.
I'm not saying that's wrong.
I'm just saying no matter what, somebody's going to find a conspiracy.
Of course.
About everything.
So it's hard to like differentiate between real and not real.

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Cause everything is a conspiracy.
Well nowadays especially.
I know.
Like whatever happened to like a real good conspiracy theory that you can really get
on board with.
Everything now is a conspiracy theory.
So I'm just kind of like, yeah cool.
If you think differently than anybody else, you're a conspiracy theorist.
Well that too, but I'm just saying every single thing is a conspiracy.

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Just morning fog, maybe based off weather patterns.
I don't know.
But now that's a conspiracy.
And that wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for me if every other little thing in the
world wasn't just everything is now a conspiracy theory.
So with this one, I'm just like, yeah, cool, whatever.
Right.
It's just kind of a dulls it.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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I don't really have any interest anymore.
It takes the fun out of it.
It's just something that has validity and I'll listen to you.
Right.
But like, and I'm all for a good conspiracy theory, but that's why I can't get on board
with this flat earth thing.
Oh yeah.
I've been, I'm open.
Teach me, show me.
Not saying I believe it by any stretch of the imagination.
However, like show me something that has like real proof.

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Not just it's flat because it's flat.
Like look at YouTube.
All the videos are just so ridiculous.
Their theories are ridiculous.
You're not, you're actually making me angry.
You're not, and I love a good conspiracy theory, but that's when I'm just like, okay, I'm
just going to have to go with science on this one.
I have some, I have some family members, not directed my own, but my other side family

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that I married into that are gung ho about the earth being flat and we're just kind of
like, uh-huh.
Well, didn't teach me some.
Show me something.
I mean, I'm a believer, but a lot of flat earthers will say it's in the Bible, but it's so,
the Bible has been interpreted so many different times.
Yeah, not only that, but their technology back in biblical times when these things were

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written was so elementary.
Just because they say, you know, the ends of the earth or the corners of the earth doesn't
mean that the earth looks like a piece of paper.
What about all of the other planets?
Right.
We're the only one that's flat?
Right.
Yeah.
I would just like somebody to correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah.

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And to me, sorry, but Pluto's still a planet, okay?
Yeah.
Go back old school, I'm not one.
Yeah, poor Pluto.
I know.
I love those bumper stickers.
Pluto's still a planet or something.
They're great.
So I'm like, yay.
Even though like, obviously they've figured out that it's not somehow.
It's a dwarf planet.
They just don't consider it part of our, the counted like main, I don't know.

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Just because it's little doesn't mean it needs to be like shunned from the rest of the planet.
Poor Pluto.
I know.
It's ridiculous.
No, poor Pluto.
For size shaming, dude.
Yeah.
Yes.
Or size.
Astronomers are some size shaming.
That's great.
I'm surprised that they're allowed to get away with that because our culture is so like,

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I'll show you.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
So I'm standing up for Pluto.
Yep.
That's what I'm doing.
I'm not, me too.
So you know how when you learned how to multiply double digit numbers, triple digit numbers,
whatever, you, when you write it on paper, you know how to write that out.

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Yeah.
Right.
That's called multiplication.
Yeah.
So my nine year old and I were talking on the way to school a couple of weeks ago.
She had a big multiplication test and it was going to be like triple digits.
And I was like, okay, well, let me give you a couple of double digits and you tell me
how you do it.
She's pulling out the 10s places and like doing all this crazy stuff.
And I'm like, why not just go, you know, right side to left side and then cross it and you

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know what I mean?
Yeah.
Add the zero at the bottom for the ones place.
And she's like, oh, you mean standard algorithm form?
And I'm like, what?
What?
It's called multiplication.
Yeah.
She's like, no, that's called standard algorithm.
We do that sometimes.
So what form are they doing?
I don't know.
So that's longer form that gives you the same answer for no fucking reason.

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I get the principle behind how, why they're teaching the kids how to do this because you
can do it in your head a little bit easier.
You can like see it when you're pulling 10s and hundreds and things out.
Yeah.
We got kids at fucking McDonald's who can't give you correct change.
So I don't really think their methods are working very well.
True.
Those are the kids who probably didn't pay attention in school.

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Right.
I mean, we worked at Wendy's.
So I can't really say that.
Yeah, but I knew how to count back change.
Yeah, of course.
But yeah, I don't do that.
I don't know.
Our education systems just garbage.
I just thought I was like mind blown that it has a different name.
Yeah.
And I'm wondering when did this name come about because we never learned that name.

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Right.
Because that was the way to do it.
Right.
It was just multiplication.
Probably from that common core bullshit.
Probably.
And I've looked up the principles behind common core because when your kids come home with
homework and you don't know how to teach them because you're like, oh, I can do this and
show them how to do it on paper.
They're like, what's this?
I had to look up like how to do this.
Have you ever had your kids like in tears because you were trying to show them how to

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get the answer, but you're not right.
It's the wrong way, mom, because you're not showing your work.
I'm like, it's the same answer.
That's the only way that I know how to do it.
But my daughter is so freaking mad at me.
She's like in tears because it has to be done the way that the teacher expects it to be
done.
But our school is a totally different curriculum.
They don't do the same stuff that public school does.

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So I try to tell her like, no, I really don't think it really matters.
They just want the answer.
Yeah.
I don't play like that.
They're a little more like old school, like the way that we learned.
Well, when my daughter, when I can't help her with her homework and I give her a way to
do it that she can just easily get the answer without an issue, and I'm like, if your teacher

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has anything to say about this, come at me.
And I'll leave a note on a post-it, on her homework.
I don't know how to teach it the way you do.
This is how I taught it to her and how she understands it.
Like if you've got a problem with it, here's my phone number.
I don't play like that.
No thanks because everybody thinks differently.

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And teaching it multiple ways I get is not an option because they don't have time.
Totally respect that.
But doing this other stuff where you're pulling out hundreds and pulling out tens, and I see
the idea behind it, and I appreciate that, but not everybody thinks that way.
Just like how we were taught.
Not everybody thought that way either.

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People were pulling tens out and stuff.
I mean, I think that's how my husband thinks.
He can do math in his head so quickly.
I can't because I'm like, okay.
Right side, carry the one.
Yeah.
I have to draw it in my head.
Yeah.
So there's something to be said about the way that they're teaching it for people who are
maybe more out of the box thinkers, creative thinkers.
I'm not one of them.

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Very logical basic.
Let's just stick to the baseline here.
I always did well in math, but never liked it.
Hated it.
I didn't hate it.
I didn't like timed things.
It would cause so much anxiety.
The timed tests and stuff.
I remember third grade and very specifically with the timed multiplication tests, I would

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get so stressed out that I would barely finish them.
I got terrible grades.
I actually used to like those because it was like a fun little race for me.
No, because I didn't know them.
I thrive under pressure.
I do too.
You know I do too.
Okay.
Procrastination is my middle name.
Yeah.
Thrive under pressure.
It's my best work under pressure.
It's fantastic.
However, in a situation like that where I'm racing against other kids and I didn't really

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grasp the concept of what we were doing, I didn't understand what multiplication really
was.
So for me, I had memorized it.
It was all memorization for me.
That's how I aced a lot of tests was memorization.
We had, I remember in high school, granted my and my husband can vouch for this, I suck
at history.
If I find history fascinating, like I'll watch like historical shows and whatever or like

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discovery channel stuff, but like I don't retain information, especially now.
But back then I would have like, I would get like over a hundred in all my history classes
for some reason because I can memorize the study guide, look at it the day of the test,
take the test, literally write it like verbatim.

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And AC's test and I would have kids in the class like these like everybody specific like
boys who were always like goofing off, I would help them and they would like cheat off of
me or whatever every once in a while.
And I had like 104 in that class.
But I just memorized the freaking study guys.
And you don't remember any of the information, like none of it stuck.

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It was just, I needed to remember for the test and that was it and then it was gone.
That's the problem with our education system is that you're, so you're stressing these
kids out to a point where they literally will study for the test.
That's it.
It's gone.
I mean, how much information did I retain from high school?
Very little.
Right.
I mean, I guess overall, you know, just overall things like writing techniques and things

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I kept to go through college and stuff.
But college, first two years of college, just a repeat of high school, just a little bit
more advanced, a little top, you know, notched up one.
So whatever I didn't learn in high school, I stressed out and studied for the test in
college as a second go around, you know, I feel like I learned more in college than

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I did in high school for sure.
But I got great grades in high school.
I had a great GPA.
I think my, my weighted, they did like weighted and unweighted GPA because of honors classes
or something.
I think mine was a four, it was over a four.
Me too.
I think it was like a 4.13 or something.

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I don't think mine was up.
Mine was like a 4.08 or something, I mean, they're close.
But then my unweighted was like a three point, I don't remember exactly, but I was 81st out
of my graduating class of 400.
Yeah.
So I don't know where I was, but I actually found my, I found my like program thing from

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high school, it's going through my garage and I found my graduation.
Yeah.
And I was, I remember, I'd always said I was 81st and I double checked.
I was 81st.
Nice.
I was like, but like my friend, my other friend was my other friend, my friend Michael was
like third or something.
Like he was so smart and he didn't even try.
Yeah.

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You know, that's why he's like a doctor now.
I know.
I know.
He made good choices in his life.
Good job, Michael.
Despite all of the partying that he did.
Oh boy, that guy.
I love that guy.
You missy Michael.
He's so awesome.
I had to try really hard in certain areas to get good grades.

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I wasn't somebody that would just listen, never do my homework and ace the tests.
I had to actually like try.
Yeah.
But then like certain things are writing.
That was so easy for me.
I could just BS my way through anything.
Oh, I know.
And I would get great grades.
It's awesome.

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I was like chat to PT before chat to PT existed.
That's why you love it so much now.
I know.
Well, I remember you helping me with some story in college.
It was all about remember we went like on a run or something and you were like feeding
me like the plot.
Now while we were running down that little side street next to the dorms, us running.

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I remember running because we did it like twice.
Exactly.
Because your boyfriend at the time had just gotten out of the army and he was like our
drill sergeant.
We were like dying like what are we doing?
We did it like twice.
Yeah.
And then yeah, that didn't really stick very well.
It was what was it called?
It was like, it's all about some.

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Was it me when you when you like hurt somebody or kill somebody because like say somebody
you caught somebody cheating or whatever and then you like kill the person that the person
was cheating with.
What does that call?
Crime of passion.
Crime of passion.
Yeah.
I was like gosh, what was the name of it?
I actually saw it.
I was going through like one of my old like Rubbermaid totes from like my past in my closet

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which we all have one of those I'm sure.
So I was going through to find my commencement.
It was in there and I had like saved a handful of like some of my papers from college that
I was a little more like proud of and that was one of like my creative stories and I
forget what class maybe that's for Tom's class.
I'm sure.
I think it was probably for comp one or comp two.

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I think it was for his like creative writing class or something.
Yeah, that story was in there and you helped me write it.
I'm sure.
I think you helped me write probably even more than that but I specifically remember
you feeding me the plot of this made up story while we were on that run.
That's funny.
I don't remember that at all.
That's really funny.
And you know, I love true crime.
Yeah.

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That was before true crime had like a name.
God, I'm above before everything.
I'm like a trailblazer.
True crime, chat to BT.
Yeah, I had something to do with like catching somebody cheating and then like killing the
person and then like I don't like that's hilarious hiding.
How would I even know about that?

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I don't know.
Like 20 18.
That's hilarious.
I got to read.
We should read that paper on the podcast.
Yeah, I gotta go find it.
So in today's episode, we're going down a little bit different of a pathway than we
usually do.

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Typically we bring on moms, but today we not only have a mom, but we have an expert in
a particular field.
The field that we are going to be discussing today is about frequency healing.
And it's something that I'm, I know a little very, very little about, but for the most
part it's uncharted territory.
What about you?

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Yeah.
I think it's about frequency healing, just not this particular modality of frequency
healing.
So it was an interesting episode to listen to for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I still, I still have a lot of questions, but I think I, I definitely know more about
it.
Um, but I'm interested in, in diving a little bit deeper.
So maybe that's something that we can explore in future episodes.

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Well, actually I did reach out to Haley after we recorded to ask a few follow up questions
when you listen back, maybe your questions will be answered and that goes for the listener
as well.
So stay tuned to the end and you can hear the questions and answers that I asked Haley
to follow up on.

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Just a quick disclaimer before we get started today, and I can't even imagine we believe
in creating space for open conversations with experts from various backgrounds.
However, we do not endorse or subscribe to any specific medical, non-medical or healing
modality.
The views and opinions shared in this episode are those of our guest and are meant for informational

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purposes only.
We strongly encourage you to consult with your doctor, practitioner or trusted health professional
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Everyone's journey is unique and what works for one person may not be right for another.
As always, we encourage critical thinking, research and a professional guidance when
exploring new approaches to health and healing.

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Now let's dive into today's conversation.
Today we are sitting with Haley Mueller.
Haley is a holistic practitioner and quantum energetist and owner of frequency health codes.
Haley is trained in applied kinesiology and cell behavior.
Hello Haley, good morning.
Welcome.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you.

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I'm happy to be here.
So we are kind of going into some uncharted territory with this episode and we are super
intrigued in what you do.
So first, just kind of tell us a little bit about your journey into frequency healing
and what inspired you to specialize in this area.
Well, my whole story is what inspired me.
I have been just riddled my whole life with trauma.

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My inner world was just very hostile.
I had a lot of bad experiences as a child and it just kind of, as I grew up, I developed
a lot of health problems.
I developed a lot of them.
I had some troubles with relationships.
It rocked my entire world.
It used to be a very hostile, very chaotic world and it just got so bad that I just became

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done.
So like I was going to school, the regular route, the traditional route and I realized
that I needed to go a different way to get relief if that makes sense.
It was my personal motivation because when your health goes south, everything else goes
south.
I didn't even enjoy my quality of life anymore.

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I didn't have it.
And so that is what started all this.
So it was, you know, as a child, just being pushed around, mistreated.
I had very abusive parents and my siblings kind of took on a lot of the tendencies.
And it's to the point now where I can't even speak to many of them because of just, I've

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healed so much that I start to feel those feelings, those health problems kind of creep
back in as I tried to interact with them.
But anyway, I grew up and I started to venture out to the world.
I went to college and I just had a passion.
I started out doing music, but I realized I loved the part of music where working with

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people.
I loved teaching people and I loved, I started to notice as I was voice teaching, it kind
of crept into noticing these people having issues with relationships and issues with
themselves.
And I just kind of naturally started to like, trauma coach people as they were having these
issues, but they were, you know, coming to me for singing techniques and, you know, performance

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ability, things like that.
So there was something about you that people just felt like they could be vulnerable with
you.
And there was like a trust factor there where they could just be open about things like,
kind of like, it reminds me of like when you sit down with your hairdresser, you know,
they're like, they're kind of like a therapist.
The bartender.
Right.
He's kind of like loose.
Really convent to and open up about certain experiences or things that you feel you're

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going through at the time.
Yeah.
Exactly.
And that's kind of what it turned into.
And I kind of switched gears from my college.
I was going to BYU at the time and I realized, you know what?
I want to go into marriage and family and I want to learn some techniques, but I also
want to just study what is the basics of relationships?

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How do our brains work?
How do they operate in frequency?
I feel like it's just top tier of all of that.
It's learning.
It's the quantum physics of how our bodies and brain work.
And so that's what we'll get into.
Yeah.
So how did you find out about frequencies?
Where did that fall into your journey?

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So I stumbled upon it.
It was 2018.
So that's when I was the sickest I ever was.
I had some mold exposure going on and all of my world was crumbling down.
I had to make a complete lifestyle change.
I also had to complete relationship change.
I had to look around and see what was hurting me, what was no longer serving me.

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And it was just a big wake up call.
So I had a friend.
I had Lyme and mold exposure and I met this friend through the support group that we were
in for Lyme, people that struggle with it.
Just halfway through the program as we were supporting each other, she just started naturally
to be able to go outside.
She had more energy to be with her kids.
And I just said, like, all right, what are you doing that is making you get better?

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Because I was like, clearly, you know, all these people around us in the support group
are, they're still sick.
They're still struggling.
So what are you doing different?
And she's like, well, and she didn't tell me how she met this guy, but he's the one
that is the founder of the program I now do.
And he was working virtually out of Rhode Island and he had what is called Lyme classes.

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And so he just had you attend once a week, you listen in, and he works through each of
you one on one.
And there's like 30 people present.
And he just kind of, you know, asks you some questions, what are you currently dealing
with?
And then he sends you codes.
And I just, I was super skeptical at first.
I was like, what is this witchery woo woo stuff?

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I will say a lot of our listeners are probably going to have that same mindset too.
Not that I would call it woo woo, because I do know frequencies are legit.
They are a thing.
But can you backtrack just a tiny bit and then come back to this, but explain what frequencies
are to somebody who just doesn't have a clue.
So frequency is pretty much the raw communication of how our bodies respond to everything.

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So like when you take a drug, it's not so just the components of the drug you're responding
to, it's the frequency of it.
So that's how our bodies respond when people hold up crystals in their hand.
I know that sounds crazy woo woo, but that crystal has a frequency as well.
So we're very much drawn to or repelled by various different frequencies in our body.

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And our brain is its own working frequency machine.
Every cell, we have over 30 million cells in our body.
And every single cell has kind of its own minds in a way and its own frequency.
And the brain can match every single cell in the body and recalibrate, correct, or repair
every cell in our body.

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And so it's just kind of, it's just how our body responds to anything in its environment,
to the water, to the air.
Even like, you know, how we've been dealing with hurricanes recently, I noticed that there
was a certain frequency with the hurricanes and certain people were coming to me with
certain health issues just from when the hurricane started.

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They were very curious as to why their body was handling it the way it was.
We can change it.
We are very capable of changing it with our thoughts, with our emotions.
So we're very electrical beings.
I mean, have you ever felt like a shock or felt like?
Yeah.
So that's, that's your brain sending signals to different parts of your body through electrocution.

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So, I mean, something as simple as saying, like, you hear the popular phrase, it's mind
over matter.
Or people talk a lot these days about mindset and how like, if you tell yourself that you're
sick over and over and over, you think that you're sick, you don't feel good, you're going
to feel like shit.
And if you tell your body, you know, I'm strong, I'm capable, I can heal, you're going to get

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better a lot quicker.
Yeah, and it's actually interesting you mentioned that because I actually got to see a week
ago, my brain respond to that in real time.
So I had, I just had this mastitis from hell.
Like it was probably one of the worst kinds.
My lymph nodes swelled up really bad on my right side.

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I never had it that bad before and I'd had mastitis many times.
So this time, it was bad enough I had to take painkillers.
It was really painful.
But of course, I was doing codes for it and my body asked for lymph codes.
So that's what I was doing.
And I remember as I finished them and I turned on the music because there is a frequency
music at the end that activates your cells for the brain to see by laid down.

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And it was like a lightning storm.
I could see these like surges just going through and I could see it was like lightning
flashes going over my eyes.
And as I started, like it kind of got me excited for a sec.
I was like, oh my gosh, good job.
I said the brain, good job.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And I just started like telling the brain, thank you.
And I told the body you can do this.

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And also in the surges like vamped up, double time.
So it was like the moment my body got like, so you have your brain and then you have how
you speak and your body can hear what you say and your body can respond on a cellular
level to what you say.
And so yeah, you're right.
When you say you're, I'm sick.

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Your body is going to be like, I'm sick.
I'm never going to get better.
And we have been, and I kind of call this the cassette tape or replay, but I tell people
when you get sick or life gets hard, what do you tell yourself?
Do you tell yourself this is always going to be the case?
Do you tell yourself my life sucks?
Or what are you, what are you doing to change that, that replay?

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Because we have these neuro pathways in our brain and our thoughts are like, and this
is kind of something else I call, I call it black trees where we have our neuro pathways
and they're supposed to be these bright pink, beautiful pathways.
But when we have negative thoughts, they turn black and it can actually cause brain degeneration

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and other health problems.
And so I tell people, you can create a new neuro pathway by honoring your feelings saying,
my life sucks.
I'm always going to feel like this way.
And you can stop and say, yeah, my life sucks, but it won't always be this way.
Or there's, there's hope.
You're kind of starting to recalibrate and change how you think.

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So that's kind of a bit of limbic neuroplasticity that I teach people to do.
But yeah, our thoughts are very, we're a lot more powerful than we think we are.
So you mentioned codes earlier.
Yes.
Okay.
So totally clueless on that.
So can you backtrack a bit again?
Okay.
I just, just so much to learn.

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Hey, so explain to us what these codes are.
So these codes are, they're PDFs and they're a mix of numbers and letters that correspond
to cells in your body.
And there's also parts of it where they're words and the words and it's kind of a interesting
phenomenon that I'm still trying to learn and figure out, but this is what the founder

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has described, so there's certain codes where there's words.
Some of them like, let's just say for instance, the child who feels abandoned as an adult.
The abandonment codes, a lot of the pages will say at the beginning, they'll say, you
know, dad's betrayal, mother's rage.
It's going to say things like that because what you're doing is when you read those and

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your eyes are a portal to the brain.
So you read them to see, to show the brain where in your body those cells are that are
being affected by that trauma.
So when your eyes look at them, the brain recognizes those words and it knows exactly
where to repair the cells that have been affected by your mom's rage or your dad's betrayal,

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anything, you know, depending on what the trauma is.
And so there's, there's lots of like numbers and letters that are mixed together and those
are just cells in your body, there's like D2C1, ED2C1, some of them don't make as much
sense, but there's some that like bacteria codes, they'll say like December 1st because
some bacteria activate December 1st.

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So it's, it's an interesting, just interesting thing.
Who like came up with these codes, who founded them and like, how do you know how long ago
that this information came about?
So I know that the codes have been out for probably at least 30 years now.
So the founder, I can tell you a bit about his story.
He had a lot of trauma.

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He alluded to being trafficked as a child and I can't necessarily confirm that, but he's
alluded to it when he's, he was only trained to me.
He pretty much grew up sick, had a lot of health problems similar as, you know, many
of people like me that kind of stumbled upon the program.
But his whole story is that he was walking around with a cane at 30 and he just once
again got fed up with sickness.

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That was his story and he was very much a believer in Western medicine, but they weren't
helping him and he just said, Hey, like I really need to get better.
I'm taking these drugs.
I'm doing everything you told me to.
And their last resort was surgery.
And so what happened was he had ankylosing sponditis and so he was having these joint

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problems and he just wasn't getting the help he needed.
So he went to Mexico and there was a doctor down there that was very familiar with both
both world's Western medicine and alternative medicine as well.
And he, so he gave him some injections to help like help his joints repair.

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And he also had some stem cell stuff done as I remember right.
But this, this doctor was the one that kind of started him onto this other trajectory where
he showed him all the modalities he knew.
And so advanced cell training, this program is kind of a combination of many modalities.

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And he doesn't necessarily share exactly how he came up with the codes, but I'm guessing
it's through kinesiology, which is muscle testing.
And he knows what specific questions to ask to get those codes produced.
So he created them 30 years ago at least.
So he started out with allergies.
He would go to church and everyone there would be coughing or sneezing or wheezing.

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He said he started getting information as to things to write down.
And so he wrote down these numbers and letters that didn't make sense, but he would bring
them to church every week.
And he passed out these PDFs to people and he would have them read them.
They would get better.
And so it's kind of a little bit of the placebo effect, but there is also these reading these
codes in the body responding in a certain way.

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And so people started getting better.
They started coming back to him saying, Hey, can you create codes for this health issue
or that health issue?
And so it took a bit of time, but he's now developed over 14,000 different codes for
different issues.
He says there's only a couple select illnesses where not that the codes won't help or heal
you, but they're tough and it takes a little bit more time to work through.

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And so that's mainly the limitations with it, but he's created codes for pretty much
every ailment that he's encountered.
And he's been doing this for a long, long time.
And there's lots of, there's a website, there's some videos, and there is one video where
he shares his story where he's being interviewed.
And so there's some good info on there as well.

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I think there is a video that he shares how he, how the codes work and how he came up
with them.
And so I can send those over to you.
So what type of traumas or illnesses do you see most commonly in the people that you work
with?
So chronic illness is a big one.
So any autoimmune issues, the biggest one I've worked with is Lyme, Lyme and mold, because

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those are usually hand in hand and lots of bacteria.
So anyone that has come in contact with like Bartonella, so many.
One's that even like most recently African, there's an African pathogen that has been
coming up in people's bodies.
There's so many different reasons why people come down with different things, but it's
kind of a work in progress.

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It's learning how certain people respond.
So when they have a beginning of an illness, usually it's a pathogen.
I found it often to be like lupus, fibromyalgia or MS, and then as they heal the pathogen,
then their body starts to work through parasites.
And so that's kind of another layer.
I kind of, I kind of try to explain it as we're like an onion, right?

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So you peel off layer one, and then there's layer two, right?
So layer one is the pathogens, layer two is the parasites, layer three is sometimes we
have trapped emotions that get stored in our liver, in our kidneys, in our hearts.
There's so many different layers that I've kind of encountered or worked through over
the years.

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Yeah, it just changes with each person, but most of the time that's kind of the trend
I've seen, but it's mostly the chronic illnesses is what I work through.
So anyone that has a gut problem, I've also noticed that certain people like people with
Lyme are probably down the line going to pick abandonment codes because for some reason
the pathway of trauma they've experienced, it leads to a certain illness.

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I've just...
That was actually going to be my next question.
I was going to ask, how was it tied into trauma?
And then I was thinking, well, I know that trauma, like you were talking about trapped
emotions, that can bring out different sicknesses in people.
Can you elaborate that on that a little bit?
Yeah.
One thing I share with everyone about trauma is that the reason why the trauma alone can

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wreak havoc on our bodies, even if there was no illness on top of that.
So emotions, the emotions we feel as a child.
So if we grew up with a lack of love, if we were told very toxic words, things like that
can really make our bodies sick.
So even if our mind were like, oh, words don't hurt me, words don't affect me, our bodies

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are still responding to it.
And so if you've ever heard of the Dr. Imoto water experiment, have you ever heard of that?
No.
You can Google it, just Google Dr. Imoto water experiment pictures.
You'll see.
So what he did, and this is something the founder of advanced cell training just really...
He really dove into, because he wanted to understand why emotions are so powerful and

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why these people coming in were so sick when they'd never had a history of other illnesses.
It was just their childhood.
And so what happened is this Dr. Imoto, he studied water under a microscope.
He would drop on a Petri dish.
He would just drop one, like one drop.
And as it dropped, he would say, you're beautiful.
I love you.
He would say even like just beautiful words like God and prayer.

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And then he would put it on under the microscope and study what the water turned into.
And it was like these beautiful snowflakes, these water formations that were just gorgeous.
And then he also then would drop water and he would say, you disgust me.
I hate you.
You're evil.
No one's going to love you.
Things like that.
Things that we are typically told as a child.

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And so he would then slip it under and the water turned brown and it turned into this
like gooey, oobleck stuff.
Our water is 65% in our body.
So if we're being told those words or even just we're feeling a withdrawal of affection,
that can change our water and our bodies to a biotoxin.
And so that water is turning brown and it's pulsing through your organs, into your bloodstream,

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into your tissues, and it's weakening wherever it goes.
And it actually goes dormant.
And so there's actually a scientific thing happening when someone goes, when someone
gets triggered.
So that biotoxin activates.
So if you've ever been triggered before, wherever you feel it, sometimes you feel it and say,
like a headache coming on, or sometimes you'll feel like a backache or back pain or aches

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in your arms.
That's where that biotoxin is in your body.
And so there's actually a really cool method I share.
I try to share with everyone.
I call it the radical forgiveness method where I just kind of do a, I tell them to do a
letter burning of sorts.
And you don't have to do it with the person or your abuser or whoever hurt you.

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They don't have to be present, but you do have to write a letter to them and you say
out loud, you read it out loud once you've written it out and you just say every good
thing they've done for you, all the good times and then all the bad and every single bad
thing, like do it all.
And then you read it out loud.
And at the end, you say, I forgive you three times.

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And on a cellular level, that neutralizes that biotoxin in your body.
So I tell people, like if you can't do the codes, that's fine.
Do that letter burning, that letter burning process.
And I've done it before and I actually felt like I was going to throw up after I said,
I forgive you.
Just so many different things that have happened to me that I've done to kind of cut that ball

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and chain that I felt like I had when my parents tried to pass, you know, trauma is kind of
like a disease in a way.
And when people try and say those things to you or what I call an energy transfer, they
pass things to you and you decide whether you want to accept it or not.
And as a child, you can't really decide if you're going to accept it or not because it's

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your parent that's telling you that.
And so you trust them, you love them, you want to please them.
And so us as children, we're very vulnerable.
We don't have many boundaries set in place.
And so I tell people when they first start out that if they really want to cut their
codes in half or less, they can do that letter burning or radical forgiveness method to
every single person that they've had a rocky relationship with.

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Even if that person didn't know that they hurt them, it's really powerful.
And so when you say, I forgive you, just something happens to our bodies.
One someone that my mentor worked with, she dropped 30 pounds.
He said that she looked like she had, like she said she looked at the scale and was at
least 30 pounds over the course of like two, three weeks.

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So she was literally carrying the weight of her trauma.
Yeah.
And so I actually tell people, because people want to like lose weight.
And I was like, so there is like fat and storage and stuff in the body, but there is also inflammation
from parasites and pathogen.
And I was overweight for a long time, but until I started doing codes for parasites and pathogen,

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I was trying like, I was trying pills.
I was trying, you know, all those M1 products, right?
With the green tea and the, there's so many different things out there.
And it's like, those are helpful, but you don't want that weight to return.
And so if that weakened tissue, that inflammation is still in there, you're, you're going to
pack on the weight again.

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And so I tell people, heal, heal from what happened to you as a child, because that's
really the foundation of how we see ourselves, our identity as a person.
And so that's very much, I feel like weight loss is tied into.
And so how you see yourself and how that's very much based off of how our parents treated
us as children.

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So I am familiar with frequency healing in a way when it involves a machine.
I have had conversations with a couple, there's actually a couple of local people here who
do that as a career.
And I've been able to pick their brains a little bit about it, but they do like in the,
in their home, they have these machines and, you know, you're all hooked up and the machine

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reads you.
And there's also codes involved with that.
So how is that different from what you do?
And are these codes the same?
So I actually work with a couple of my clients are frequency practitioners and one of them
runs an AO scanner.
Another one has the quest machine.
They're kind of getting kind of both perspectives.

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And they said that there is some limits they found with the machine.
So the machine can only produce probably a couple hundred thousand different codes and
it's just, it's a machine.
You have to do it in person with how this program is, it's very much virtual.
Being in person isn't required because we are all energy, we're all connected.

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And so because energetically you can connect with someone across the world.
And I've been treating people now in over 13 different countries.
They've been treating themselves.
I'm not treating them, but I'm providing the codes for them.
And I've been able to muscle test.
Yeah.
Many people in the UK, in Australia, in South Africa, just to name a few places that I've

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done it.
And so the machines are, can be limited, but they are, they can be very effective if you're
in person and the person is trained with the intention to do it in person.
But for me, I do it, I do it virtually and remotely.
And I've also found that the brain, the brain has no limits.
The brain can access every cell in the body.

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If you turn it from the focus to a machine to your brain doing the work, that is kind
of the difference.
So what are some misconceptions about frequency healing that you'd like to address?
Not very many people know about frequency for one thing, but I also think they, when
people ask me, Hey, is this like YouTube meditations?

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Meditations are powerful and they can activate the brain to do certain things, but it's the
codes that actually derive towards the actual cell in the body.
I mean, I would think that a misconception is just that it's not real.
I know people right off the top of my head that would be like, you're crazy.
That's a woo woo.
Like I thought you were already crazy.
That's even crazier.

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Right.
Well, the thing is people don't understand.
So we're just as a society kind of out of touch.
And a lot of people think, Oh, you know, if I can't see it, it's not real.
But you have feelings, right?
You have emotions.
Those are very real.
You can feel them even as right now, right?
As you speak.
And so there's so many things.

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There's the real list, right?
And then there's the idealist.
And I think it's just important to understand that also how open someone is to something
very much depends on how healthy they are.
So someone who's more closed off and more resistant to things.
And this isn't, you know, to bash or speak down on anyone.

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It's just, I found a lot of people that come to me and say, Hey, you know, what is this
crazy woo woo stuff?
And I answer their questions, but I know that this program isn't for them because of just
the resistance they have.
And that usually means that their body won't respond.
Their blockages probably in place that might make it hard for them to respond and to heal.

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When you say blockages, that reminds me of like detox pathways.
Your detox pathways are clogged.
You're not going to be able to detox.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And that's, that's a lot.
A bigger thing now is that right now we're kind of in a pill popper world where people
are unhealthy and they're very sick and they want to get better quickly without acknowledging
what even made them sick and they want results in a way that doesn't require facing what

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was put there or why, why they're sick even.
And so blockages, detox pathways is one of them, but there's also mental blockages.
And I actually, I have a few clients where that's happened to where their blockage kind
of came up and the muscle test was letting me know, like you need to ask this set of
questions.
I don't like questions for different scenarios that I ask and I found out that this one gal,

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so I got her some pretty intense codes.
Like every person I've done with those codes was like, whoa, that's an immune response.
Like they needed some help or some, uh, some things to help detox them or aid them through
the process.
And she was like, yeah, I felt nothing.
And I'm like, what?
And so at the end of that month, what I usually do is I say, okay, does her body need, there's

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specific codes to release blockages.
And I got, yes, that she needs to do those.
And it's like a 50, 50 chance if the blockage gets released.
And she'd actually been through a trauma that past month.
So traumas can actually put blockages if it's a new one and can put blockages in place.

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I'm also certain like life decisions I've noticed can just create these different scenarios
to where they're going to need to do the, the TCS codes.
And so as long as they're open and they're willing to remove them, then, you know, they're
golden, they're ready to go.
But there are some people that come and talk to me and I say, you know what, this probably
isn't for you, which is fine.

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It's just, you know, you have some mental things you need to work through to even get
to a point where your body will respond.
So how can our listeners know if they're a good fit for a frequency healing?
So when it comes to frequency healing, if they know they're a good fit, if they feel
just, if they feel really drawn to what we're talking about, if they feel drawn to someone,

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this program is very much the philosophy of your body can heal itself.
And if you believe that and you feel it, like you, your, your cells will actually feel it
and you'll feel good and you'll be excited.
Like your emotions will just like respond to how your body's feeling and it will just,
it'll become this mix of excitement and like hope.

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Like wow, I can actually heal this thing and this thing that I've been struggling with
my whole life.
Like that's how you know.
What should they consider when trying to find a healer?
Well, really just use your intuition.
How do you feel and get to know the person?
Cause I tell, and I'm training practitioners right now.
I tell people it's not necessarily the program or the modality, it's you.

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They're buying you and the relationship they're going to have with you.
And so if they feel good about you and how you deliver yourself and how you talk about
what you do, if you've developed your identity as a person and a practitioner, then that
will give a clear answer to each person you come in contact with as to what are you for

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them?
Are you the right person for them?
And so there's a lot of people like, say, for instance, I'm very much neutral on like
the religion aspect.
And a lot of people have looked at this program and thought, oh, is this religion based?
And the founder is a Judeo-Christian and he has more of a more, I guess more rigid belief
when it comes to God, Jesus and all that.

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I'm very much more open.
And so I tell, I teach people that it's your beliefs and your reality that creates the healing.
You don't have to believe in a God, but if you believe in something that created you,
then that's all that you need.
And that's how your body responds because that's what you believe.
And so I'm very much more open to that.

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And a lot of people who are very rigid Christian are very much, no, like that's not for me.
And that's fine.
So I tell them, OK, well, maybe I can pass you to a practitioner that you can also vet
that maybe is a little bit more on your wavelength or beliefs.
So I kind of, you know, I'm very much not attached to when it comes to someone who,

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you know, initially wants to work with me, but then decides they want to go a different
route.
That's totally fine.
And that's what I base it off of.
That's my process.
If you feel good, then great.
You know, let's let's do this thing.
But some people are like, you know, I need to get to know you first.
That's fine too.
And so I know, I know that things take time and especially people who have had trauma

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that are very hesitant and have a hard time trusting people.
I very much try to take, because I've been there and I felt those feelings myself.
I try to take good care of everyone and validate their feelings.
And that's also a big reason why I do things a little differently than the founder of the
program.
He's very much like you submit a form and he just looks at the form and then gives you

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codes.
For me, I love just sitting with a person, hearing their story.
Because sometimes these people open up and tell me things they never told anyone else.
And so because they're doing that, and it's just, it's a very vulnerable, you know, sometimes
scary thing to do and you, you know, you kind of risk, you know, receiving judgment when
you do that.

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But I found that it's just so beautiful and embracing, you know, watching them change
through the process, but showing like seeing how they are in the beginning and just how
vulnerable and raw they feel about these experiences.
It's just beautiful, the transformation and seeing, seeing people open up and feel validated

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for the first time.
We can relate to that as well.
I mean, just doing what we do and having, you know, these women come on who share these
horrible life experiences, you kind of watch that trauma process as they're telling us
that story and go from being like really nervous and anxiety-ridden in the beginning of the
interview to really like relaxing and getting things off of their chest.

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And I feel honored that for sure.
I feel totally honored that people feel like this level of trust that they can come to
us and they're not going to feel judged and, you know, we're going to love them and they
can just share as openly as they want to.
Yeah.
It's a really, it's a really cool position to be in, to be on this side.
Yeah.

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You see the release in their eyes as they talk about it.
And even like throughout the process, I work with some very anxiety-ridden people.
And so some people will come back with very different concerns.
Some people are like, I got this, I'm going to do the codes and I'll check back when I
need kind of thing, but other people are very much, you know, once a week or every couple
of days, hey, there's a code that said the end is coming.

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Is that, is that true?
Is the end coming?
And I was like, no, the code is validating what you felt at one point.
So yeah, her body picked.
It was once, it was like a traumatic tremor, which copack it was, it was like a few months
ago.
But anyway, it said the end is coming and she just like kind of got very vamped up and
scared and I told her, it's all right.

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It's just saying that you probably at one point felt that impending doom, like your end,
the end was coming.
You probably felt at one point like you weren't going to live much longer, things like that.
And she was like, oh, okay, that makes sense.
She calmed down a bit.
But I really try to take care of those, especially those people who are just very shaky sometimes
and, you know, struggle, struggle to keep their emotions in check, keep the stability.

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And I've had to do a lot of healing on mine so I could even hold a space for them and
not get so wrapped up in their experience, you know?
So yes, that is.
Yeah, that's another side of it too is like, I know people, I know a woman in particular,
she's like a grief counselor.
She works for my church.
You know, she deals with people with all different backgrounds.

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She's really knowledgeable and her background is like within like relationship counseling
and marriage counseling and family counseling.
And it's like, she needs somebody to counsel her.
I mean, she's taking, you're taking on everybody else's trauma.
You're taking on everybody else's grief.
What do you do with that?
So can you, what do you do with all that?

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So I believe in like energy attachments, positive and negative.
And you don't want those negative ones passing onto people.
And I especially make sure I'm emotionally like ready and prepared.
I'm constantly muscle checking myself to make sure I'm even clear to muscle test
for someone because if something's off with me and then I make sure I'm taken care of

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before I even help somebody else.
But for me, I'm constantly cleansing myself.
I'm staging my space.
I'm saying prayers constantly.
I'm talking to God.
I'm making sure that I'm doing everything I need to to stay prepared and ready to help
each person.
But I also, I have techniques that I do where I rub my meridian points.

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So if I'm talking to someone and it doesn't happen as often as much anymore, but sometimes
I will start to feel like the emotions build up in myself.
And so I start just naturally doing breath work techniques.
So I breathe in for hold, breathe out for, and I take even a deeper breath and as deep
as I can do.

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Cause the more deeper breaths I take, the more oxygen to my brain I get.
And I also grab my meridian points.
So you're on of how stressed you guys are the hurricane, but prior to that I was doing
what is called cellular alignment.
So I'm putting pressure on my meridian points.
I'm bringing oxygen to the brain.
Sometimes prior to that, if I have a lot of thoughts or feelings coming out, I tap my

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chest.
So it's a mix between, you know, the meridian point pressure and also tapping.
And what is it?
E.D.
The therapy that involves tapping.
Is that related to that?
So emotional freedom technique is the EFT.
And this program I especially love because you don't actually have to know exactly what
the trigger or the memory is to work through it.

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The advanced cell training starts at the top and works down.
My goal is less trauma for the person that's already been through trauma.
Right?
Right.
So, but with this technique, cellular alignment, so you're putting pressure and you're tapping
and you're processing those emotions by releasing those feelings.
So like with the hurricane, I was really nervous.
I was going to lose my home.
Right?

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And then I was going to evacuate.
I was just like, I'm worried I'm going to lose my home.
What will I do if my home gets, you know, if a tree falls down and snaps it in half?
So at the time they're like, Oh, it's going to be category six at landfall.
And I was like, Oh my gosh, okay.
And I just worked through it.
So I tap and once I, you know, have a couple emotions or feelings that I've, you know,

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built up, I do the alignment.
It works.
And I was able to release.
I could finally return and be with my children because those emotions built up.
And sometimes if I'm on a call with someone and it's very intense, I work with trafficking
victims and I work with the worst of the worst in many cases when it comes to people's backgrounds
and experiences, but if it gets too heavy, I say, hang on, give me a sec.

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And I do the technique and then I'm ready to return and I'm good.
And so that's a really great way to calm down your nervous system.
And it's something I recommend for anyone that like kind of like you guys, where you hear
very different stories and because we're energy and we're connected, you're going to feel,
you may even feel some of the things they're feeling, the emotions.

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I've actually had, and this is kind of a crazy in a way, but I've had flashbacks where I
actually kind of time jumped and I experienced almost like I had a memory, but it was their
memory.
And because they were talking to me about and sharing, I kind of started to experience
what they were talking about.
And so I had to like really ground myself in those times to make sure that if I had

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a flashback like that, I was able to watch it, process it and be able to validate them
as I was going through it.
Say I am a potential client and I reach out to you and I want to work with you.
Take me through the healing process for me as a mom with severe deep emotional trauma.

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Okay, I start asking like, okay, what are your symptoms?
If you have any, and if there's not necessarily any symptoms, I say, okay, well, what traumas
did you experience?
Tell me your top three or top five.
And sometimes you don't want to talk about them.
That's fine.
And that's what's great about the muscle checking is I can muscle test.
Any questions I need to ask if you give me consent and say, yeah, you can muscle test

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my body or my energy.
I'm familiar with muscle testing.
My kids have had it done.
I've had it done.
Victoria is not though, but can you explain what muscle testing is in layman's terms
to our listeners?
So you're testing a strong part of yourself and a weak part of yourself to ask a question.
So like for me, when I muscle test a certain way, it feels strong.

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And even in your mind, you might be able to sense that strength before you even do it.
So some people, they lean forward.
If it's a yes, if they ask themselves a question, some other people like you can do this for
like a supplement or a drug that you need.
But you can't say my kids have had it done for different pathogens, viruses for different
supplements as well.
Yeah.

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And that's as a five year old when my mom was studying herbalism, a master herbalist
exposed me as a five year old to muscle testing.
I thought it was the coolest thing ever.
But I was holding a supplement bottle here and she would press down on my arm.
Yeah.
That's what my kids have done.
Yep.
The more strength, the yes, the better it was to say yes, this supplement is for you.
So for me, I found with muscle testing is that if you, you can do the swaying, you can

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ask yourself a question or, okay, do I need this supplement and you'll sway forward if
it's a yes, you'll sway backward if it's a no.
And if you stay firmly planted and you don't sway either way, that means you need to ask
a different question or you maybe your body doesn't have an opinion about that thing.
And I never knew that muscle testing could be done virtually.

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Yes.
And it's very, a lot of people like, how do you do this remotely?
And I'm like, I've been able to do it and I've been able to do it for multiple people
just over the years.
I started out small because I was like, is this really possible?
How is this done?
And people were responding to the muscle tests I found for them.
So you're acting as proxy for the person.

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So they give you consent and I've actually had some crazy experiences where someone had
some really bad joint pain and I started to feel the joint pain.
I was like, oh, I was like, I can feel it in your knees.
And they were like, how did you know that?
And I was like, I can feel it.
I can feel your knees.
They're hurting.
And like I muscle tested two weeks ago, someone's dog.

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Their dog had been to the vet.
So I do work with animals as well.
Their dog had some obviously some veer joint issues.
He also had a parasite and he was also very disoriented.
He couldn't find his food bowl.
And so the owner, she had given him some stuff that the vet gave them, but he wasn't responding
to it.
And so she said, here, can you check him out, evaluate him and see if there's something

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you can do for him?
And so I started muscle testing in Alson just this big wave of anxiety, like this fear,
this dread.
And I was like, is he anxious?
She's like, he hated the vet.
And she said his eyes got really big and he was scared.
He was scared to even go in there.
And I was like, yeah, he doesn't trust the vet.
He's very, and I can muscle test all around like the emotions they're feeling, maybe what

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their reality, their experience was.
Anyway, and so what happens for like she was saying earlier, if she's a new patient coming
to you, you're on the muscle testing step.
What happens after that?
Yeah.
So, so I asked people some questions and then I muscle test all around the questions and
I look for reoccurring themes because I kind of, I've worked with so many people, I do

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see a trend with certain issues.
But sometimes I come across a new issue and it's like, all right, this is uncharted territory.
This is fun.
But I often, most times, once I'm done looking through the questions, I muscle test for codes.
And so what I do is I start, I have a guide that I look through, I have a list of questions.
So I say, okay, what top symptom or issue does their body want to work with first?

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And this is why this program is so great because no other program, at least that I've experienced,
really wants, like doesn't ask what the body, what the body wants, because our bodies do
have a preference and that's why muscle testing, having someone that knows how to muscle test
appropriately, because there's a lot of people out there that know how, but there's very

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few people that actually know what questions to ask.
And they, they need to be doing it enough to really know what that weak feeling is and
that strong feeling feels like.
And so, so that's the important part there.
But with this program, I go to the codes, I say, okay, they're having joint pain, what
type of pain in the joints?

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Is it fascia?
Is it tendon?
Is it the connected tissue?
I go through all these lists.
That's just one example.
So I go through that and then once I narrow it down to a certain category, I say, okay,
sometimes I have a list in my head of, all right, is it joint codes?
Do they need tissue or bone?
If it's scar tissue, if they have like a surgery?

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I also asked about traumatic events, by the way, as well, like, did that start around
the time that, you know, your headaches developed, things like that.
So we get to the root of what started it.
But so I get to the codes and then I just go through all the categories.
Sometimes I'm working with 6,000 codes at a time.
And so I start with, all right, is this an allergy?

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Is this an emotion?
Is this a spiritual issue?
Is it a parasite or a pathogen issue?
Or is this a radiation issue?
And so I work through each category and the body will usually direct me to what category.
And what I do is I usually give a mix of codes.
So there's code packs.
There's maybe a given anywhere from 8 to 15 or 30 different pages in one pack, but I give

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a mix.
So, so what I do is someone says, all right, in their body, I need abandonment codes.
All right.
Is there anything else?
And I get probably a good tally list of like five or 10 different code packs.
And then I ask from each pack, how many does the body need?
And so some people are working with abandonment, parasites, sometimes they're working with

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EMF codes, just kind of an example to give.
So I give you a mix of codes.
And what you do is I give you the instructions on how to read them.
So I train you on how to do your own trainings is what it's called.
And so I give you the instructions and I go through one page with you to show you how
to do it, to make sure you know how to do it correctly.

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And then I send you an email of all the codes and then I send you the YouTube link that
has the music.
And so I tell you exactly how to read them, you switch on the music right afterward.
And then I have a 48 hour check-in where I tell them, okay, after you, you know, checked
in, how, how are you feeling?
Have you felt a drop in your symptoms?

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Like sometimes they drop a little bit, sometimes their symptoms get worse before they get better,
just kind of depends.
But the main goal is you want to see a change.
If it gets better or worse, you want either to happen.
If nothing changes, I tell them to continue if they need to continue.
But I muscle check or muscle test the entire time.
Okay, do they need to recalibrate?

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Do they need to do something else?
Sometimes a new symptom comes up that's concerning.
Like one of my recent clients, he just got a really bad toothache, just a really, really
bad one.
He was like, I need to see the dentist.
I'm waiting, but can you give me some codes to kind of keep me comfortable?
And his body picked antibiotic codes.
So I sent those.

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I just sent like five of them for his body to do as he was doing his regular codes to
kind of keep him comfortable.
So that's kind of what I do.
I kind of give a support through the month.
So I do it based off of three months at a time, because I want people to see a result.
And so sometimes it takes sticking to it for a month or two at least to see a difference.

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And so, but most illnesses like Lyme can take about a year of codes to do.
Other ones can be six months if it's like a trauma that they went through.
Just kind of depends on the illness, how many codes you need to do, but it is permanent.
Once you've done them, you don't have to redo that code pack or those pages ever again after

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you've done reading them.
So like for me, when I did my Lyme, my first Lyme codes in 2018, I don't have to do those
Lyme codes ever again.
And your Lyme is healed, correct?
It's healed.
I'm symptom free.
And same with the mold and same with all the parasites that I've addressed since then.
And so what's really cool about that is that your brain, because you've read the codes,

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it remembers, your brain is very intelligent.
And it's kind of like a photographic memory.
Once it remembers them, it will never forget them.
And so if that strain of Lyme, your body came in contact with again, it would zap it on
contact.
It wouldn't even let it stain the body.
Your brain is pretty much able to reprogram itself to heal the body, just like you learn

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to ride a bike or play a sport, right?
You kind of, let's say you get a brain injury and you have to relearn, but your body can
reprogram itself for health.
So what's your number one resource for somebody who, for example, listens to this episode
and they're like, I really want to know more.
How can they do their own research and kind of like deep dive?
Yeah.
Where should they start?

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So on, I have a whole YouTube channel, but I have all the videos on my website.
I talk about pretty much every aspect of this program.
So I have an intro video on there that explains kind of a nutshell, just kind of a very layman's
perspective as to what this program is.
But then if you want to kind of spread out and dig deeper, I have other videos that talk

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about parasites and pathogen, how the program helped that and radiation, things to be aware
of like your relationships, how they impact you on your health.
So anyone that's just kind of wanting to poke around and experience kind of the philosophies
of how I do things and what this program is about.
I have just a bunch of videos that explain each one.

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And I explain, I share lots of different like techniques and things that you can do like
in the meantime to get yourself at least on a better track so that you're doing the best
you can with what you have.
So what's the name of the program?
So it's called Advanced Cell Training.
And what's the name of your YouTube channel?

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It's called Frequency Health Codes.
That is where I have all the videos there and I share all the techniques and different
things that just different things you can do.
Yeah, we can put that in our show notes as well.
And then there's also, so some people may also want to expand past the videos I have.
Sometimes they want to just do a brief call and ask more questions and that's fine as

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well.
But there's also the founder's website, Advanced Cell Training.
So if you scroll down at the bottom of the page, he's got a bunch of videos explaining
how he does it.
He is, you know, a bit older so the videos are kind of older quality, but they do explain
a lot of how the program works and there are a lot of testimonials on there.
So and I do have quite a few.

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I'm trying to get on my website.
I just have to compile them and put them on there.
But yeah, so tell us real quickly where can people find you and what is your website and
your social pages?
So you can find me at FrequencyHealthCodes.com.
You can shoot me an email or you can find me on Facebook at FrequencyHealthCodes.com.
For our listeners, she does have her little baby girl with her.

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If you've heard some little coos in the background, that's just her little cutie.
Yes.
All right.
Well, thank you so much, Hailey, for joining us today.
Yeah, thank you.
And we've learned, I've learned quite a bit.
I did too.
I'm so fascinated.
Yeah.
I hope you guys liked it and felt encouraged by it.
So.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Check it out.

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Thank you so much for your time.
You too.
Thanks.
Okay.
Bye.
Bye.
Hey, Hailey.
Thank you so much for coming back on and answering some follow-up questions that I had.
After listening to the episode and editing the episode, I realized that there was quite

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a bit of audio that I had to cut based off of some background noise.
And I appreciate you coming on just to clear some things up that we may have not been able
to keep in and we need a little bit more clarity on.
Or I just didn't ask the question or Stephanie didn't ask the question at the time of recording.
So I really appreciate you taking the time to do this.

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So my first question is, how did the codes actually come to the founder himself?
Just a little bit more background on that, please.
He figured out the right questions to ask so that he could get accurate information as
to what codes are and what the numbers are.
I think he did it digit by digit in the sense of knowing what questions to ask and knowing,

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okay, with this type of illness, what sort of codes would validate that person and train
their brain?
Because that's what this is.
Training your brain to see the codes, but then know how to compare that DNA information
in the subconscious and then activate those cells through the music.

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So it's training the brain to be able to see exactly in the body where those cells are.
And so because advanced cell training is a multiple modality, it's kind of a jack of
all trades type modality where you're not just reading cells, you're being validated
for this experience.
That's why it's not just cells, you're actually reading words that are actually validating

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when you read them.
The brain recognizes it and that is an immune response in and of itself that the brain,
it helps calm down the nervous system when you read those, how they came to the founder
and guessing us through the muscle tests.
Now one thing that I wanted to clear up to and that I was a little bit confused on during
the recording was when you refer to Lyme.

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Are you talking about the tick-borne illness, Lyme disease, or are you talking about something
else?
And then how does it correlate with mold exposure?
There's multiple different kinds, but I am talking to talking about the tick-borne illness.
Also there is frequency induced Lyme as well.

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And there are just multiple different strains, multiple different kinds and yeah, being tick
bitten by tick is usually the most common.
Yeah, Lyme often does correlate with mold exposure, not all kinds, especially if Lyme
was induced different, there's just different ways that lead to different things, but how
I make that connection is usually, if most often the reason they find out they have Lyme

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is because they were exposed to mold.
And that is how I got mold and mold exposure and Lyme at the same time.
I had had Lyme, it had been brewing all that time and I didn't know I had it until the
mold came on.
And this can actually happen with diabetes because diabetes is a Lyme infection in disguise,

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but it's just a different kind of Lyme.
I've been able to help people with diabetes, but I found that mold exposure doesn't necessarily,
that's not necessarily their experience, so it depends on what they come to me with and
the symptoms they've come to me with that I usually know what route it's going to go,
but the codes confirm.
Usually the body with, if it was a normal tick-borne bite or it was just, they came to me with

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these gradual symptoms or the mold triggered it, then I usually say, okay, usually it's
Lyme, usually their body wants to deal with the joint pain that they're getting at first.
And so there's multiple different pathogen codes that they'll do, but I do know like
down the road as they're done like finishing their Lyme codes, mold is the next one usually,

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that their body usually picks.
And that's how I do that is through the muscle test.
Okay, so let's talk about the muscle test.
How does it work exactly?
Give us a little bit more detail about exactly how that works, especially when you're acting
as a proxy.
What does that really mean?
And how can you ensure that the results are accurate if you're acting as the proxy for

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somebody else, virtually?
Yeah, so virtual muscle testing, how that works is because we're all energy and I have
this more info in my muscle test video on YouTube and on my website, frequencyhealthcodes.com,
under how it works.
There's a video there, but I'll just kind of in brief explain that we're all energy and

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we're all connected.
And so because someone who has a prosthetic leg, but they can still feel their toes, things
like that, anytime you experience like, you know, like sometimes you watch like a, you
know, America's funniest home videos and you watch someone get hurt or fall off a roof
or get hit and you feel it, that's because we're all energy.

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We all feel the same things that other people do.
And we're all having kind of this, you know, collective experience together.
And so we're very connected.
That is how I can muscle test people.
I've been able to feel people's emotions.
I've been able to sense also like the aches, the pains and even like after I'm done muscle

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testing them and we've, you know, we're done with a phone call.
I often have to cleanse myself afterward.
Sometimes I have to take a bath.
Sometimes I have to sage myself in order to get my body back into balance because their
energy can feel heavy.
So I definitely notice a difference when I start muscle testing them, the different things

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that I sense, the different things I feel.
So that is how it works.
I ask the right questions and they give me the right info.
And because the system that the founder created, it is more accurate muscle testing for codes
versus saying muscle testing for other random things like supplements, things like that.
I have found questions to hone down and narrow down more accurately how to do supplements

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and other situational things such as decisions, things like that when I muscle test clients
for those.
And so that is how it's just really honing down to when it comes to accuracy, when you're
acting as proxy, it's knowing all the information you need to know and I know how to get that
right information.
I also know what questions to ask and it's been a process, but really, really honing down

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on the right questions to get an accurate muscle test and also just knowing, like having
the experience of knowing what a yes feels like versus a no.
And I now have muscle tested so much that I can almost do it in my head.
So like I'll be looking at codes for people and I'll be muscle testing and I won't even
have to continue because I know that feels strong, that feels weak in my head.

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So it's just, it takes a lot of experience, a lot of time.
Are there any trainings or like a special certification that you need to become a proxy
for people virtually?
There are different trainings.
My training started kind of, you know, from when I was very young because my mom was studying
under a master herbalist and that master herbalist kind of took me under her wing and she showed

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me how to do the arm muscle test.
That was my first exposure and I did that quite often with my mom because I had a lot
of health issues as a child and at the time it was, that's really all that was, that people
knew about when it came to muscle testing.
But as I grew up, I started learning new ways.

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So I've learned so many ways, but this most recent one and I show in the video how I do
it has been the most accurate so far.
And that was the founder of Ansel training that taught me that.
So when it comes to training kinesiology, you can search and there's different trainings,
but as far as accuracy, this is the one that I have been able to find that was the most

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accurate and be able to get the best answers.
And it works very well with the questions to get a better response through it.
So I'm not like specifically trained on anything.
Like I didn't actually finish a course other than very different people throughout my life
showed me and I practiced it enough that I was comfortable, but I never got an accurate

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reading really like the sway test.
There's a lot of different ones you can look up online and there's a lot of ones on YouTube
as well.
But mainly it was just your personal experiences meeting with different, you know, different
experts.
So herbalists, there was also a clinically trained shaman that showed me how she muscle
tested.
I also learned another way through inner wise as well, which is another modality that I

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do in my practice.
And how do you obtain like informed consent when acting as a proxy for somebody?
So I asked the person usually, you know, hey, do you give me consent?
And they say yes.
And then I actually asked the body, does the body give me consent?
And if I get a no, then full stop, I then have to go to a different list of questions

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that I have set up.
I have a whole guide of different, you know, routes I take, different questions, things
like that.
And I say, okay, full stop if their body is saying no, okay, is it because and some people
are just closed off, they have what is called blockages, there's energetic and there's physical.
And what I mean by blockage is that either they had enough trauma in their life that

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those blockages were placed there by default, or that they're just their beliefs, everything
that they have kind of put forth in their reality, make some very closed off, not wanting
much outside influence to be there at that time.
And so usually I just say, okay, your body's saying no.
And sometimes they do really want to try and they want to try and I say, you know, we probably

(01:19:06):
should look at other modalities to see if your body is more open to one of those other
ones because I definitely go with what the body says.
Are there any like, I guess, ethical guidelines or safeguards in place when acting as a proxy
for somebody during muscle testing?
I let them know this is what, you know, this is what could happen.

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I try to inform those best I can.
I also have a disclaimer where I describe, you know, what can happen when you do codes,
it can be, you know, uncomfortable, might, you know, emotions might come up.
I also teach in my calls what a herx is or die off symptoms and how they have manifested
to some people in the past and it's different for everyone.

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So I just inform people to, you know, let them know and I also give certain codes.
There are certain binder codes like herx codes that I give to anyone.
I ask their body in the call if their herxes are serious or intense.
And if they are, I most often like all the time give the herx codes to lessen the impact
of the regular codes.

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So that is kind of the ethical guidelines safeguards I put in place to protect that.
And I'm constantly giving support as people are doing the codes.
They message me saying, Hey, these new symptoms came up.
I'm always asking, okay, do they need something separate that they need to do?
Do they need to take extra items to aid in this, you know, process?

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Like if they're detoxing, I have a whole list of things I go through like, okay, does their
body prove of, you know, ionic foot baths as a proof of, you know, red light therapy,
infrared saunas, celery juice, anything in their diet, you know, they can incorporate
to aid in the process.
So I'm very much this, you know, invested practitioner that is helping the client every

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step of the way.
Even if a new thing comes up, even something I may be not dealt with prior in the past,
I still have kind of a setup guideline.
Okay, if this type of scenario comes up, I always ask the body, okay, is it this?
Is it this?
Do they need new codes?
Do they need, do we need to recalibrate?
Because sometimes people get triggered.
Like I know abandonment codes, if someone has had abandonment and they have a certain

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bacteria in their body, or if they've had Lyme in the past, it can abandonment can cause
just really wreak havoc while they're purging and trying to get this, you know, yuck out
of their body.
And so I know to provide extra care for those people.
And I have a whole now list of things I go to, to help them, okay, let's see what their

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body needs at this time.
Can you just go back for just a minute and explain just one more time about the actual
process of reading the codes and listening to the music?
So the process of reading codes and listening to the music, I have a whole video on that
as well.
But in just, you're reading the PDFs, you might read say like one hertz and then I usually
give a mix of codes.

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So like for instance, you know, someone might get, you know, like, so if they're saying,
okay, I want one month's worth of codes.
And I usually ask, okay, how many days apart do they need to do their codes?
Most often is two to three days.
So I might send anywhere from 10 to 15 pages of the regular codes.
And I teach them how to read them.
You read them a certain way.

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And as you read them, it activates the brain frequency.
And usually within, as they start reading, or sometimes during the music afterward, they
will start to feel the shifts happening, the changes.
You're reading them.
I teach you how to read them.
I have a video showing you how to read them.
Anytime you get confused throughout the month, you can refer to the video.

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You kind of more have to have a call with me to learn the process of learning how to
read.
And then you do listen to music afterward.
It is a specific frequency music that you listen to.
I give a downloaded file through the Google Drive or a YouTube link, depending on what
the person wants.
And what role do each of the codes and the music itself play in healing somebody, whether

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it be from trauma or from an ailment or an illness?
So the codes, they activate the frequency in your brain.
You don't even need to know what frequency it is.
So for anyone who is familiar with frequencies on like YouTube, this, you don't need to know
what frequency or what illness specifically you are trying to heal unless you already

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had like a diagnosis from a doctor, things like that.
And you don't even need to like make sense of what the codes are saying.
You just need to read them out loud the way that I taught you.
And that teaches your brain, your brain does the legwork.
And when you listen to the music, it activates the cells in your body for the brain to see.
And this question is for the skeptics or those that are in the Mind Over Matter camp.

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How would you differentiate your methods from like the placebo effect or traditional mindfulness
techniques?
So yeah, there is a bit of placebo effect in the sense of that your beliefs do affect
and that just shows how powerful we are as beings.
But the placebo effect is where it really much like depends on your beliefs.

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And if you how, you know, what are your beliefs about your body at this time?
What are your beliefs about me as a practitioner?
What are your pretty much what's your reality?
Are you actively working on creating an environment in your body to where those things can now
be purged, those things that those toxins, those pathogens, those parasites, you need

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to start changing pretty much the balance in your body.
Because this isn't just, you know, healing from codes.
This is, you know, where you put in a situation where there's a lot of toxicity around you
or you had a toxic job.
Are you married to someone who was actually profiting or benefiting from you staying sick?
A lot of your relationships will change a lot.

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So that's why I tell people only do this if you're ready, because your beliefs, yes,
that placebo effect, it is about 40 to 50% of the healing.
But it just shows that how much you believe in your healing really encourages or may hamper
the codes.
So I tell people, and I actually teach this, I also have a video on it where I talk about

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neuroplasticity, limbic, I can't remember, there's black trees, which the video that
talks about that.
There's also another video where I talk a lot about trauma and the emototoxin as well.
And I think it's even in my, what is ACT, where I talk about this a bit, but where how
we talk about our bodies very much determines whether we heal or not.

(01:25:46):
Earlier in our original interview, you had mentioned something about blockages and how
it can stop people from really being receptive to the treatment.
And I was wondering if you think that mental trepidation alone could account for why the
codes might not work for some people.
Yeah, mental trepidation.
So I have a whole process of if the codes don't work.

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When I inform each person at the beginning, this isn't a guarantee.
This is a 99% success rate.
And where most people got results is in a few days, some within a month, so within two
months.
And that's why I require the three months at front to ensure that they give this program
a chance to see the results they want to see.
But the main thing is that if it doesn't work, usually by the first month, if they have seen

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no changes, meaning it hasn't gotten worse or it hasn't gotten better because we want
something to get shaken or stirred up, but by the second month, if nothing has changed,
there are specific blockage codes, they're not just regular block codes, where they are
designed to loosen on a whole level.
And I've personally done these codes to where they loosen all the trauma, all the blockages,

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like a higher level of them, if you had any specific events.
So like for instance, when I did them, I was starting to feel where my C-section, I had
multiple of them, and so where the spinal block was, I felt after I did just the first
couple pages, I started to feel very, like, very sensitive in that area.
And it felt like at one point, like I was getting another spinal, if that makes sense,

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where there was a lot of pressure.
And then also like I got stunned by a scorpion when I was 13.
And ever since that instant, I had had a numb palm in my hand, but after doing this, these
what is called TCS codes, I started to feel my hand again, and it was the weirdest thing,

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it was tingling for a bit, and then now my feeling is back.
And so it's just blockages to a whole another level, and it loosens everything.
And it is a 50-50 chance.
So some people, I do inform that this is, you know, 50-50.
It depends on the person, but I am very invested, and I make sure that they understand that

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up front.
Originally, in our other interview, you had mentioned that you were able to heal yourself
of obesity with the codes.
I was wondering if you could kind of elaborate on what that means in terms of your health
journey.
I don't think I was actually obese, but I very much was overweight or inflamed is what
I call it.
So I have, since my journey with having a weight issue, that not for some people, it

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can be, you know, like packed on weight from maybe poor food choices, maybe lack of exercise.
For me, it was inflammation.
It was trapped emotions, inflammation from pathogen or parasites that just really wreaked
havoc on my body, and I was so swollen because of it.
So when they burrow in your tissues, that can make you swell up.

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That's why you hear a lot of moms saying, you know, I still feel pregnant even after
I'm done having babies, things like that, because it's very, you know, they can alone
cause a lot of havoc.
And I actually had to do another type of block code.
And after I did those, it was for emotions.
Well, I shed like 15 pounds and I'm still shedding, like even still, even though I'm

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done with them.
And that was just a few weeks ago.
So I definitely know there is a component when it comes to our experiences and how they
play play a factor into our weight.
Were there any physical, emotional or biochemical changes that you might have experienced that
you can attribute to the codes?

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Yes, there are physical, emotional, and yes, biochemical changes I've experienced to
the codes.
Even like recently, a few weeks ago, I tried drinking.
It was a quote sugar-free drink, but my body, and it wasn't even listed on the ingredients,
but my body picked, you know, allergy chemical codes and also chemical toxin codes.

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So yes, there are certain codes that do attribute to if you've put something in your body recently
or you accumulated, like say, you know, like a lady I worked with who lived in an asbestos
house.
She had to do a couple different codes for chemicals, chemical exposure, also radiation,

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people that lived like close to nuclear plants, things like that.
Those are some things that yes, I've had to, you know, I've given people codes when their
body specifically asked for those.
Do you know of any like long-term studies or consistent tracking to show sustained healing
outcomes for this kind of treatment? Because even just off weight loss alone, I know a lot

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of people would be really interested in.
So I'm kind of curious to see if there's anything out there that can show it.
There's really not much when it comes to quantum medicine or quantum health.
I do know that there's like some documents, the CIA references where they talk about frequency,
but not much when it comes to how it pertains to our bodies.

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But this modality that I do has been around for at least 30 years.
And how do you handle things like situations where individuals might feel like they haven't
been healed despite following the entire process?
Yeah, I do tell people up front, I'm sorry, if you haven't felt like you've been healed.
Oftentimes it's a symptom within themselves.

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And usually I help them.
So usually like say, okay, you know, they tried it for three months and it's not helped
them or they didn't get the results they wanted.
I have a whole network of practitioners that I am friends with that I work with.
And we regularly, you know, pass clients back and forth if the situation warrants to where
we say, okay, maybe frequency isn't the best modality for you.

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Maybe it's herbs or maybe it's Reiki or maybe it's a different, you know, like I know some
people respond better to like the device frequency versus just codes, it depends on the person.
And I also have sound files in my practice.
So oftentimes if reading them doesn't work, which I've had a lot of clients get passed
to me, even from the founder where they read the codes, it wasn't working.

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And I figured out how to convert the files into sound so that they can just listen to
the codes being read by them.
So some people actually got results that way versus just reading.
So I usually try that.
And if it doesn't work, then yeah, I usually say, okay, what other modalities?
Let's look at my network and if there's someone I trust that I could pass them to and it's

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up to them obviously if they want to go that route.
But there's so many other options, but I've hardly, I've only had to do that one time,
just one time so far.
And I've worked with hundreds of people since opening my practice about a year and a half
to two years ago.
So are these healing codes accessible to anyone or are they proprietary and require payment

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in order to use them?
These healing codes are accessible through a practitioner.
So they are required for payments to use them because it is an energy thing.
So it's not just your beliefs and how you view this program, it's a reflective thing
on yourself.
So your willingness to invest in this program is your, pretty much your reflective of your

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relationship with your body, not that you have to go my route or whatever route you
feel good about.
It's what you're willing to invest in yourself that actually gives your body the encouragement
and the nudge to heal.
So it is an energy thing.
There are people, not myself, the other practitioners that were giving codes for free and the codes

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actually don't work.
They found the codes don't work if there was no previous agreement with that person for
any exchange.
So like if it's a friend and that person was already their friend before they became a
practitioner, then they can give codes to those people and they work.
But I found that if no one, and I found this to be the case, but even friends of mine where

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I gave them codes for some reason because they didn't invest the upfront funds, they
still didn't like do the codes or they didn't get the benefits that they wanted.
So there is some sort of energy.
It's an energetic contract connection thing.
Not something I fully know or understand just yet, but I do know that I have seen other

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practitioners give them out for free and their business started to fail because the
codes weren't working, but it's because those people didn't pay upfront for them.
So yes, investing is required.
If somebody wanted to become a practitioner, would they need to go to a training program
or is this something that they can kind of do a self study on to become efficient at

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it?
So yes, you do have to get trained in my personal experience and also opinion to become a valuable
practitioner for this program.
You need to be the recipient end because a lot of helping helping people through their
codes is you experiencing the codes to so that you know how to help them because if

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you don't know what that experience is or how it's supposed to go, you're not going
to be able to provide value or help people.
So I do have a video talking about what to do if you want to become a practitioner, things
like that because there's so many people that have joined the main program, but they were
so clueless as to, okay, why do I need to look into herxing?

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Why do I need to educate my client?
They didn't understand any of that.
And the herxing is a big part of the beginning of when someone starts to even do codes.
Knowing how to provide value and using your experience to help your clients is very crucial
in this case.
In my last and final question, what is the biggest question that you get asked?

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Can this work for children?
Yes it can.
Can it work for pets?
Yes it can.
For parents, if they have DNA that they share with that child, the parent can actually read
the codes as if they are reading for themselves, but they do it for the child and the child
gets the benefits.
That is how I read my codes for my kids.
I have seven kids and so every night my husband and I, not every night, every other night

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we crack down.
He takes like three of the kids and I take four and then we swap.
And so that's how our kids do codes.
If we're too overwhelmed, sometimes we'll do sound files for them, but I have also been
able to help multiple dogs, a llama.
I've been able to help even like a lady who had some deer coming in her backyard that

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clearly had a bacteria issue going on and she didn't want that near her animals.
And so what she did is I gave her the sound files.
I would muscle test, okay, what codes did they need?
And yeah, it was bacteria codes and she played them, like amplified them from a Bluetooth
in her backyard.
And so far it worked.

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Like the next, she thinks it was the same deer that kept coming because they kept chewing
on some berries or something that she had.
She had a berry patch.
And anyway, she found that they looked like they were better, like they were doing much
better.
They didn't have the stuff coming out of their eyes.
They didn't have the weird behavior going on.
Like they were acting strange, like there was something wrong.

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So anyway, bacteria codes is what their body picks.
So I hope that that was helpful.
Thank you so much, Haley.
I really appreciate you taking the time to chat with me again and answer some of our
questions that we had.
And thank you to our listeners.
We really appreciate you sticking with us on this one.
And hopefully your questions got answered and there's some clarity for you if you found

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yourself a little bit confused in the beginning.
Thank you for listening.
You can find us at www.icantevenimagine.com on Instagram at I-C-E-I underscore podcast
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