August 5, 2025 • 50 mins
Ep.1 - What Is Inner Truth? Discovering Your Authentic Self Beyond External Authority
What if the answers you're seeking aren't out there, but actually within you? In this inaugural episode of Inner Truth Seekers Podcast, we dive deep into what inner truth really means and how to trust your own inner authority over outer authority.
Episode Description
Welcome to the Inner Truth Seekers Podcast, where we help you discover and embody your own inner truth—not just as a concept, but as a way of life. In this powerful first episode, we share our personal journeys of following inner truth, even when it meant going against the grain of mainstream consciousness, and how embodying your inner truth can transform your life too.
After 24+ years of combined professional multidimensional service to others. We're finally bringing you the conversations we have daily about consciousness, awakening, and transformation. This episode explores what it means to be an inner truth seeker, why spiritual sovereignty matters, and how to distinguish your authentic inner voice from external influences.
We discuss the pitfalls of people-pleasing, the danger of "burning bush moments" becoming rigid dogma, and why your inner truth evolves as you grow. Most importantly, we share practical tools for accessing your inner truth through simple yet profound practices that anyone can use.
Whether you're new to inner work or a seasoned spiritual practitioner, this episode offers insights on trusting yourself as the ultimate authority on what's true for you. Remember our key message: Don't believe everything we say—take what resonates, leave what doesn't. Your inner truth is uniquely yours.
Main Topics Covered
[00:00:00] Opening: The Journey Inward - What if your answers are already within you?
[00:03:00] What Does Inner Truth Mean? - Understanding your authentic self beyond external opinions
[00:11:40] Following vs. Not Following Your Inner Truth - The difference between inner truth and "outer falsity"
[00:15:00] Examples from Our Lives - Michael shares his journey from conforming to sovereignty
[00:20:00] The Pitfalls of People-Pleasing - How trauma can distort our spiritual practice
[00:26:12] Honoring Different Perspectives - Holding space for multiple truths without conflict
[00:32:00] The Burning Bush Moment - Why one spiritual experience shouldn't become dogma for everyone
[00:37:26] Inner Truth as an Evolving Journey - Your truth transforms as you grow
[00:40:56] Practical Tools for Accessing Inner Truth - Simple practices to connect with your inner knowing
[00:43:00] What to Expect from Inner Truth Seekers - Our vision for the podcast and community
Noteworthy Quotes
"Inner truth gets so much more juicy than just truth. We tend to live our lives from a place of honoring our own inner truth... constantly seeking, looking inwards, finding, discovering whatever is being impulsed or inspired through us authentically from the inside out." - Jamie
"There is a soul experience here. My soul's having an experience. There's a soul blueprint... and I'm the only person—me and infinity, God, one consciousness, whatever you want to call it—know that plan." - Michael
"Close your eyes. Take your attention away from your thoughts and bring it down into your heart. Even when I say that, you don't have to know what that means. I promise you." - Jamie on accessing inner truth
Key Takeaways
- Inner truth is your unique expression of divine intelligence flowing through you
- Following inner truth can often mean going against mainstream consciousness
- Your inner truth evolves—what was true five years ago may not resonate today
- Spiritual sovereignty means being the ultimate authority on what's true for you
- The opposite of inner truth is blindly...
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What if the answers you're seeking aren'tout there, but actually within you?
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Welcome to the Inner Truth SeekersPodcast, where we help you discover and
embody your own inner truth, not justas a concept, but as a way of life.
Hi, we're your hosts.
I'm Jamie.
And I'm Michael.
And in today's episode, we're gonna diveinto what Inner truth actually means,
why we decided to rebrand our businessas inner truth seekers and how Inner
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truth seeking for us in our life andour work has absolutely transformed
our way of being and how you can too.
So let's dive in.
Okay, here we are, episode one ofthe Inner Truth Seekers podcast.
Yeah.
Long time in the making indiscussions, and we're finally here.
Sat down to have this conversation,the first of many, and we've just
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launched the new inner tree seekers.com
website, the new brand and new business.
I'm very excited about it, and I'mreally excited to start this series of
conversations with you and let people intoour world really of all the conversations
that we have, you know, at the dinnertable or at any time through the day,
or the processing or the insightsand the awarenesses that come to us.
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We've always talked about wantingto bring this out and let people in.
To our kind of inner worldand also help people connect
to their inner world as well.
So how does it feel?
Uh, it feels great, and I agree.
We've been, uh, we've been talkingabout this for quite some time and
it's been something that we've beeninspired to do and we finally are
maybe at the place where we can do it.
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Um, it, it has this feeling ofbeing simultaneously, uh, like not.
Soon enough, and at thesame time right on time.
And so I'm just gonna trust,or we're gonna trust that
it's happening when it should.
And I'm excited to starthaving these conversations.
You know, like you said, we've,we've felt for a long time.
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You and I talk about all kindsof stuff in depth and because of
the work we do and because of ourown personal practices, uh, we.
Have these conversations all the timethat often we think, oh, I think more
people would wanna hear about this orbe involved in this, or contribute to
this or have something to say aboutit, or see this in a different way.
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Like, like we're kind of discovering.
And so I'm happy to be ableto finally get to do that.
Awesome.
Great.
Well, I think what kinda, what comes upreally to kind of kick things off and,
you know, maybe you can answer first andthen perhaps I'll answer the question.
Yeah.
You know.
What is an inner truth seeker?
What does inner truth mean?
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And kind of why from your side, didyou feel so excited when we came up
with the name Inner Truth Seekers?
And kind of what does it really meanfor you, for us, for this next chapter
and also especially for people whoare connecting with us, what kind
of does that shift really entail?
And why inner truth seekers andwhat is an inner, a truth seeker?
What does that mean?
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That's a great question and, and I'll beexcited to hear what you have to say too.
Uh, you know, it's, it's felt for mefor a long time now, even before we
launched in our true seekers and evenbefore we started this podcast, you and
I have both felt like if we were talkingabout like, what is our dream client?
Who's our dream client, well.
It's someone who's dedicated to theirown practice, someone who's dedicated to
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their own path, someone who's dedicatedto their own internal inquiry or seeking
or meditation, or consciousness expansionor healing or trauma transformation.
It's someone who's dedicated, whichmeans you know, someone who's.
Has a sincere desire to follow whateverimpulses are coming through, whatever's
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being shown, whatever lessons arebeing learned, and then that dedication
also with the inner truth seekers.
So, you know, we couldtalk about just truth.
As a word and what that means, but innertruth to me gets so much more juicy.
Uh, you and I both, we know that wetend to live our lives from a place
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of honoring our own inner truth.
You and I have done that in our livesas individuals before we've even met,
and then when, since we've met eightyears ago, we've just potentiated that.
Ourselves and eachother through our union.
And so that seems to be something that'sreally important to us is constantly
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seeking, looking inwards, finding, um,discovering whatever is being impulse
or inspired through us authentically.
From the inside out.
You and I also, um, in our own lives, andI'll just speak for myself and you'll,
you'll say more about this I'm sure,but for myself, even my whole life, if
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I look back, even to when I was a kid,I've just always sort of followed my own
path and that's always been somethingthat's been interesting or fascinating
to me and something that is just a,in a sincere passion that I've had.
And so.
Even when I have heard or wehear outside voices saying, this
is what it should look like.
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This is what you should be doing,this is what it means to be human,
whatever anyone's saying, I'vealways kind of had this sense of,
well, that's interesting, but I'lltune in and see what's true for me.
And so that inner truth has alwaysbeen alive within me in my own life.
And then it's always been something whenI work and work in service to other people
through my sessions and my programs,courses, our work we do together.
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I love and am passionate abouthelping assisting other people.
Connect with their own innertruth and follow their own
path and be empowered in that.
Because essentially, you know, forme, what I see it in ourselves and
other people and anyone really is thatwe're all such unique individuations
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of God or the divine or source orthe infinite creator, and that that
is being expressed through us veryuniquely, brilliantly and perfectly.
Through our inner truth.
And so when we're able to tune intothat, when we're able to, um, uh, come
from that place, when we're able to makedecisions from that place, when we're able
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to embody that in our work and serviceto others, it's like we're allowing
the God to move through us outward and,and I just think that that's perfect.
What would you say about inner truth?
Well, firstly, I think,yeah, that was great.
And just to everyone listening,uh, there's no danger of Jamie not
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following her in a truth anytime soon.
That's true.
Or anyone trying to knock her off thator convincing her anything otherwise.
That's true.
And I think it probably, youprobably say the same goes for me.
Yes.
Uh, I think, I think though through,you know, what we've learned from each
other and what we've learned through.
This, you know, many, many years of,of being, of service to others and,
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and working through our own traumas,our own limit and beliefs, our own
awakening into non-dual infiniteconsciousness of becoming aware of
that and like the evolution of ourwork over like the past decade.
Like it's always come back to us.
And what has guided us morethan anything has been the
recognition of our own inner truth.
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And then that bridging of not onlyrecognizing it, but finding the courage
and the bravery to embody it, follow it.
And of course we've been really luckyand fortunate that we've had each other
kind of like cheering each other on andthat we've always really found ourselves.
Maybe going against the grain, goingagainst the kind of common consciousness
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or what is kind of like the normsright through from kind of physical
reality, kind of normal life that kindof brought us to meeting each other
kind of like eight years ago, right?
Through all of our work and retreatsand everything that we've done over
the years, we've always found ourselvesleaning more and more in towards.
That inner truth and that hasbeen a guiding principle for us.
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And it's been uncomfortable.
It's been challenging.
Yeah.
It's been disapproved.
We've questioned ourselves.
We've doubted ourselves.
But I think if we look back, and Iknow that, you know, from our other
conversations, it's, it's the samefor you that we can track back so many
points within our life where we hadawareness of our inner truth going.
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Hey, there's a, there'sa door opening here.
Do you want to go through it?
There's a door that kind of goes offthe main path off what mainstream
consciousness perhaps is kind of invitingyou to stay on, you know, and I can look
back at different points in my life,you know, kind of when I, when I left
home, when I, when I got my scholarshipto go and play rugby, when I kinda
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left all my friends, when I went andtraveled the world, when I came to Peru.
All these different types ofthings, there's just so many.
So many choices that I can look back andgo, that was my inner truth, inviting
me to kind of step more into it.
And the more and more that I, and wehave done that, I would say the more
potent, powerful, transformative, uh,majestic magic our lives has become.
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As we recognize that actually.
We each, you and I individually haveour own inner truth that we follow.
We have this kind of really great overlapthrough so many aspects of our lives where
that inner truth kind of potentiates it.
But kind of what we're doingnow with inner truth seekers is.
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We're endeavoring to kind of bringthat support of inner truth seekers
from around the world, around theglobe who all have that desire to say,
I acknowledge something within myselfthat is my own divine truth essence,
or my inner truth, or my higher self,or my deeper awareness of what's true
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for me, and I desire to follow that.
For multiple reasons.
One, because it's exciting to do so.
Two, because it's almostimpossible not to.
Yeah.
Because when you start following thatinner truth, you, you get aware that,
oh, here's my inner truth telling meto do this or inviting me to do this.
And if you ignore it, the kind of, thekind of, uh, the calling of that gets
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louder, sometimes even more uncomfortable.
And then three, I think, you know, partof our, our work that we're doing here
in tree seekers is to help people toconnect that, because I think you and I
are curious what will the world be likeor what the planetary shift to love look
like, where more and more people stoplooking outside themselves for answers.
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Stop looking to like the media orinstitutions or whatever it may be, to
kind of spoonfeed them what they shoulddo with their lives, and to reclaim the
sovereignty and the recognition of, Iknow why I came to Earth, and I'm gonna
follow that inner truth as a breadcrumb.
That leads me to kind of everyaction, every step, every situation,
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every awareness that enables me toembody that inner truth in each day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I love that.
And, and you and I talk aboutthat a lot, uh, you know, a big
part of, so, inner truth seeker,one of those words is seeker.
Uh, and it feels like when we desire,when you or I have desired throughout
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our life or other people we know andpeople, students, friends, clients that
are seeking their inner truth, that.
The other thing is that seeking itcomes from someplace within, you know,
it's, it's not just something, it's notlike, oh, okay, I value inner truth.
Okay, I know that exists.
I'm gonna go along with my dailylife and forget about it again, that.
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That person who seeks theirinner truth, there is something
being impulsed from within.
There's some inspiration from withinto follow one's own path, to make one's
own choices, to pioneer, to way show,to create something new, to innovate.
To inspire, to teach, toempower, to change, to transform.
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There's something inside that's therethat wants to, desires to is impulse
and inspired by, uh, expressing,knowing, and expressing and embodying.
The, the inner truth.
And that has a tendency also, uh, inyour and i's experience and in a lot of
people that we work with, uh, that hasa tendency too, to find its way not just
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into someone's personal life, um, althoughyou know, it, it does find its way into
there, but it also has a tendency to,after a period of time, want to express
itself in the professional life too.
So whether, whether it's.
Having a job or being an employee ofa company or a business, or whether
it's starting to recognize, ah,actually, you know, I think I wanna
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start my own business because theway that this industry works, I think
it could be different or better.
Or maybe it's being entirely creative, anartist, a creative, a musician, something
like that where it's like, I have thisthing coming through me that just wants
to come through me powerfully, andI've gotta give it shape and form, and
I've gotta give it an outlet to do so.
And so that.
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That inner true seeker, the seeker,that seeking is that inner drive
calling impulse desire that's there.
That sort of, I think of it like,you know, like a beating heart
that it just pulsates and it, andit won't let us not recognize it.
And I know that's how I feel.
You know, I, I feel likewhen things come through me.
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I can't not recognize them.
I can't not be aware of them.
I can't not consider them.
I can't not work with them or try tobe in flow with them when I, when I do
that, and I, like you said earlier, Ihaven't done that alone in my life, but
when I do sort of ignore it or avoidit or maybe set it to the side, which
is fine, you know, because we all haveour own perfect timing with things.
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But when I do that, I just.
Cause myself a lot ofsuffering from the inside.
And so for me, um, and for, I wouldsay the inner true seeker, um, there's
more curiosity, uh, joy, fulfillment,meaning, purpose, when we pay attention
to and follow that inner desire, impulseto express and embody our inner truth.
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Great.
Yeah, and I think that kind of whatcomes up when you're saying that is
maybe like, I'm thinking like howcan we explain it perhaps more easily
to people what an inner truth seekeris and kind of like ground it down.
So for you, like what is not.
Inner seeking.
I like that because I think that canreally, I think that can really highlight
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and then maybe, maybe I can give a fewexamples in my life where I, I know that
I didn't follow my inner truth becauseit's been a, like a great highlighter
for me of not following inner truth andrecognizing, oh, that wasn't my truth.
There was something beyondit, because I know for me.
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Before I learned to recog recognizemy inner truth, I was lost and I
didn't have a different experience.
I didn't know that my inner truthexisted, that there was something
more to my life and to my existence.
So what for you are maybe in somepersonal examples or also just
some generalized examples, what isnot following inner truth and why?
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That's a good one, Michael.
You know, the first thing that comes upand, and this is, I just think of from
my own life experience, uh, when we.
I would say peopleplease is what I call it.
And you know, some of us, depending onthe culture that we grow up in or the
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family environment we grow up in, wemight be conditioned from a young age
just to do what people tell us to do.
Whatever your mother says to do, do it.
Uh, whatever your, uh, churchor your preacher says, do it.
Um, whatever your teacher at schoolis teaching, you know, that's what
you should desire to do or be.
And, and a lot of those things get placedon us sometimes, you know, based on our.
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Gender or our biology, or our skincolor or our age, or our ability.
So things get tagged on us of what weshould be, what we shouldn't be, how
we should act, how we shouldn't act.
You know, a lot of us can think aboutin our own families, you know, depending
on where you grew up, uh, that wemight have gender roles put on us.
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Girls do this, boys do this,women do this, men do this.
And so.
When we just blindly, or I might sayunconsciously, follow somebody else's
opinions, perspectives, uh, judgements.
That would be the opposite of inner truth.
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That would be what?
What's the joke that we make?
Outer non-truth, outer falsityis the opposite of inner truth.
Something like that.
Yeah.
Do I wanna follow inner truth ordo I wanna follow outer falsity?
So it's just words that get said.
I always think of it as like.
The ears hear a lot ofvoices, and sometimes there's
a lot of voices around us.
It could be friends, itcould be family, it could be
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partners, it could be anything.
It could be the collective,it could be a political party.
Um, so when we hear all those voices,what we should or shouldn't be
doing, what we should or shouldn'tbe thinking, the, that would be the
opposite of following inner truth.
What comes up for you?
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Anything else come up for youabout what's not inner truth?
Um, yeah, I mean, I think I canjust really speak that for me,
like not following inner truth andlike Jamie will attest to this.
It's like being told what to do.
So he hates that, you guys.
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So, so being, being told and, and likeI, I'm making a bit of a joke, but
it's very true and like I, I know thatthere's obviously different things from
my childhood and traumas and thingslike that that kind of relate to why
I am maybe so sensitive to being toldwhat to do, but like on like a more
genuine, like serious kind of note.
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There is this, I think,awareness within me that.
Definitely, I wasn't as so strong asconfident as it like 10 years ago,
but there is just this awareness that,okay, there is a soul experience here.
My soul's having an experience.
There's a soul blueprint, and Ithink we'll talk more about the
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Soul Blueprint in the next episodeor an episode coming up soon.
But like the sole blueprintor my own inner awareness, or
my own inner truth has a plan.
I'm the only person me and like infinity,God, one consciousness, whatever
you wanna call it, know that plan.
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So the more that I get in tunewith knowing that plan, or knowing
why I'm here, or knowing myselfor knowing myself, like the more
confident and aware of knowing myself.
Then the less permeable I am toouter authorities trying to say
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what I should or shouldn't do.
Now there's like benign type versionsof someone saying, Hey, you know
what would be really good for you?
You should do this.
You know, and, and, and you'relike, okay, you know, thank
you for, thank you for that.
But that doesn't really resonate for me.
And then there's kind of likemore things, you know, we kind
of see in the planetary sphere.
Yeah.
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Where there's a lot more, I would say deepconsequence for people oppressing, uh.
Their idea of what should be the structureof the planet onto minorities or other
kind of people who have been marginalized.
And we have those, you know,this kind of outer oppression.
So for the most part, you know, we livea, thankfully, a very sheltered life that
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we don't really have that much of anyonereally telling us to do something that
you know, is really out of alignment,that we are just like so against.
So.
The reason I'm kind of sharing thatis I believe how we've kind of like
formed as a society and the kind oflike the governing and the rule and
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like kind of what we've kind of got onthe planet is based upon certain groups
of people having an idea about whattheir inner truth is and then trying to
like put that on top of everyone else.
Oh yes.
And make, and make everyone else do it.
So.
That, you know, you can just lookaround the planet, look at the news.
You can just see that going on allthe time and it's been going on and
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you know, we dunno how long that typeof stuff will continue on the planet.
But when we can kind of look into kindof more of our inner sphere, I think
like the invitation or like the inquiryor the practice is really, is like, how
can I honor my own inner truth whilsthonoring someone else's inner truth?
You know, how do I hold spacefor my inner truth to be true and
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someone else's differing opinion.
To be also true for themwithout needing them to change.
But that type of experience has the, Iwould say, has to have the common ground
that both those parties agree to notdo harm to each other in the process.
So.
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You know, that's not, that's not like kindof the ruling law on the planet earth.
That's not how, how things go.
But in essence, when we look at likewhat inner truth is not to kind of
answer the question, inner truth forme is not following what someone else.
His idea for my life is just becausethey have a different perspective
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or opinion, whether it be a certainlevel of authority or just someone
sharing a different level of opinion.
And for me, you know, throughmy own life and kind of like a
bit more of like an insight intolike, you know, the trauma that.
I mentioned at the earlier part ofthis, I went through different parts of
my life growing up, um, moving arounda lot, having difficulty, like having
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friendships or different groups or wouldmove and then had to make friends again.
And, you know, through travelingaround the world and kind of being
here in Peru, one of the things thatI noticed that was one of my defense
mechanisms as a kid to feel safe wasto just do what the group was doing.
Yeah.
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So that I would fit in, you know,and Jamie will tell you like, there's
no danger of me doing that anymore.
But like, that's the kindof like the trauma aspect.
If like you're not aware of where,why that has come there, it can
also distort your kind of spiritualpractice, if you will, because you're
compensating for that traumatic eventin the past and then overcompensating.
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Uh, so simply to say like,for me, inner truth is not.
Following or not?
Well, how we say it.
For me, inner truth is following my owntruth and it's, it's honoring to the best
of my ability, largely differing opinionswithout that needing to affect my field or
me needing to affect someone else's field.
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Yeah.
I love that.
I love that.
And, and I'm gonna bring in, uh, thisis making me think of something you
and I experience with each other, youknow, on the personal level in terms
of our friendship and our marriage.
Uh, and, you know, you andI have a lot of overlap.
In terms of our values and our ethicsand what we care about and what we love
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and, and what we desire in our hearts.
And then we also have things that wehave our own perspective or opinion or.
Ideas about what something is, whatit means, what's more important.
And I know even when, um, you and Icome into, I would say disagreement
about something that I may be likethis, this, this, I think this is a
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priority, we move in this direction.
And that you're like, thankyou for that perspective.
For me it's this, this, this, and I feellike we need to move in this direction.
And actually that can besecondary or tertiary.
You know, I know.
What's something that's reallyimportant for you and I when
we hit those moments where.
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I recognize that something that feelsimportant, true, authentic, for me,
doesn't seem to be equally valued by you.
That you have something else thatfeels true or authentic or sincere
for you in regards to maybe decisionswe're making, you know, in our
marriage or regards to decisionswe're making as our, in our business.
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And I know something you andI both practice, but I'll just
speak for myself right now.
You know, it's so important and I'maware in those moments that I continue
to tune in to what feels true for me,because what I don't wanna do, this
would be the opposite of inner truth.
Just because you've said somethingand, and you know, you guys, Michael
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is very persuasive and he's, he'svery clear on what he knows and he can
speak about it directly, convincingly.
So not to convince, but so many timeswhen he does that, I just am like.
He believes it so much.
I believe it.
You know, so I'm aware that I have atendency with you that when you're like,
it's this, that I'm like, I trust it.
Let's do it.
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So, uh, you know, I, what I have todo when we have those disconnects
in terms of our perspective, ourdesire, our truth, our authenticity,
what feels true, it's, I'm alwaysdoing several things on the inside.
You know, I'm.
My ears are opening.
Listen to what he's saying.
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It's not in alignment with whatI'm saying, so stay open and
listen to what he's saying.
At the same time, I'm stayingopen to what you're saying.
I also am sure inside.
I don't want to caveto it, inauthentically.
And pander to it.
Inauthentically.
Oh, well Michael's saying this and hebelieves it, so we should just do it.
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Which you're like, I could feel you.
Like, can you just do that sometimes?
Shame me, please.
Um, so then the other thing I don't wannado is, well, I feel this authentically,
Michael disagrees, and then all ofa sudden I'm resisting and sort of
pulling away or contracting because I'mtrying to stay stubborn in my own idea.
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So.
Instead, what I do is try to staycentered, and the word that's been coming
through a lot for me lately is equanimity.
Is have equanimity with I feel this way.
He feels that way.
I trust this will come to some sortof resolution or conclusion, but
in this moment it may not be so.
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But also, I don't need you to feelthe way I feel and there can be
something really powerful in that,something very empowering for me.
I know for sure to say inside,this is what feels true for me.
This is what feels authentic.
It doesn't appear that that's so foryou, you have a different perspective.
You have a different sense of something.
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And both can equally exist.
And that it doesn't have to meanthat there's conflict or it doesn't
have to mean there's disagreement.
There's simply, uh, difference happening.
And so usually when that happens, you andI just acknowledge that I feel this way.
You feel this way, Uhhuh.
Huh?
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Should we just let that sit for a while?
Yep.
Usually when we let that sit, itfinds its way and works its way out.
It seems to be what's best for both ofus in our marriage and our work so far.
Uh, so that, that comes up for mewhen you're talking about that.
Does anything come up foryou when I'm saying that?
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Well, I think, I thinkwe've got better, uh.
You know, honoring and recognizing eachother's inner truth without changing it.
I think when we first kind of met andwe were like, Hey, when were you born?
And you're like, oh, I'm a Capricorn.
You're a Capricorn.
And we were like, uh, yeah,my way's the right way.
You always not the right way.
And you thought thesame way the other way.
And we were like.
Uh, what did we do?
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'cause we both, you know, we had both hadbusinesses before we we met each other.
Yeah.
We were both, you know,very self-sufficient.
We were used to being the one whomade all the calls and lived our
life the way that we wanted to.
And then we had to kind ofcreate, you know, space for
something like a softening.
Of our, you know, own,uh, egos probably, yeah.
To start with.
That sounds right.
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Um, but you know, as we've kind of gonethrough that process, I think it has been
a beautiful process that I think, I think,you know, our marriage has taught me how
to kind of interact more with the worldin terms of recognizing, okay, I can have
a different opinion and someone else canhave a different opinion, and it's okay
for people to have different opinions.
So I think that's really, youknow, what it comes up and I'm
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kind of sharing about that, likethat process of inner tree seeking.
Like pitfalls I see for people ina tree seeking, you know, and we've
kind of already spoke about onethat was maybe earlier on in our,
our, you know, professional lifeand, and our marriage and stuff.
But is, and you hear this a lot oftimes and we kinda have some kind
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of amusing moments when we hear somestuff, but often what we'll hear is when
someone has an awareness of something.
If it's true for them, and ratherthan just basking in the beauty
of that truth, it goes straightto let's make everyone else Yeah.
Aware of.
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This ultimate truth, which might notbe an ultimate or objective truth.
And that's like one of the reasonswhy for you and I, we, you know, spent
little time, you know, through both ofour kind of seeking around the world
and kind of studying in differenttraditions and things of that nature.
It's one of the reasons why.
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You and I both extracted ourselvessimultaneously from kind of any
organized spiritual tradition.
Yeah, that was speakingin the ultimate truth.
And you know, when you speak or hearin different spiritual circles or
things of people doing differenttime of work or plant medicines
or all sorts of other things, whatthey might find their self doing.
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One of the pitfalls, thedistortions that we often see.
Is, I had this experience, I had thisvision, I had this dream, and now
because I had it, I've been chosen orsomething of that nature, or I've had
this experience, whether it's saidor not, but I've had this experience,
now I have this truth to say to you.
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So this is the point where we putour disclaimer in, like to anyone
out there who's listening to us, andwe always say this to everyone, it's
like, don't believe anything we say.
Please.
Yeah, just take whatresonates, leave what doesn't.
We're only here to inspire to,you know, I'm pretty much enjoying
this conversation, but we'rewe're, we are here to help reflect
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back to you your own inner truth.
It's not about us tellingyou what your inner truth is.
We are here to share about ourown experiences, uh, what's been
useful for us, what's been difficultfor us, what pitfalls have arisen
and, you know, find what resonatesfor you and leave what doesn't.
So that's what we'llal always, always say.
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Um, but in terms of like those kindof pitfalls, you, you know, I think
one of the examples that came upfor me when I was, I was doing a
session with a client was, um, youknow, Moses kind of goes and sees.
The burning bush.
You know, no one knows if he wastripping or whatever was going, but
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there was a burning bush that was there.
He's then had these 10 commandmentsand you know, you could probably
say 10 commandments in, you know, intheir essence are relatively ethical,
you might say, but this person hasbasically had a vision or has it a di
direct communication in his words, orhas the books kind of say with God.
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And I've had receivedthese 10 Commandments and
now everyone has to do it.
And like we can just look atdifferent spiritual traditions.
You look at different likeplant medicine traditions.
This is the way that theplant, the plants speak to you.
You have to do this, and if you don'tdo this, they won't speak to you.
You know, there's a similaritythere with kind of like, you know,
Moses, if you don't do these things,then God's not gonna be with you.
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Or you look at any type of otherspiritual tradition or teaching, you
know, and you can even look at it throughto like, you know, like with a lot of
work we do with helping people stepinto their own business or, or kind of
heart-centered entrepreneurs and thingslike this, there's marketing out there
that says, this is how you market yourbusiness and if you don't do this,
then you're not gonna have clients.
There's all these kind of ultimatums thatcome, which basically if we summarize it
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down, someone's had a direct experienceas something that works well for them.
IE their own inner truth.
And then rather than potentiallyjust having that as their own inner
truth awareness, they then needother people to do something with it.
And I think that that'swhere the distortion comes.
And I think that's what I was kindof alluding to earlier on in terms
of, you know, different communitiesor countries or wherever things are.
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There's just this oppressivenature, if you will, of someone's.
Own truth being put onto someone else.
So I think that that'swhat comes up for me.
Uh, I love that.
And, and you know what's so funnyin, in folks listening, Michael and
I often, uh, are having the same, Iwould say, train of thought or sort of
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in in intuitive inspiration in things.
And this whole time I've beenseeing a burning bush moment.
And so when you mentioned Mosesand the burning bush, uh, so if you
don't mind, I'm just gonna expandon that 'cause I'm feeling that too.
Yeah.
You know, something that's, um, thatI've been aware of in my own sort of
inner investigation is what I would callit, is that those burning bush moments,
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you know, literally if, if anybody, if,if you meditate, if you contemplate.
If you practice anything to do withgoing inward, stillness, prayer,
receptivity, presence, there's,there's so many different words.
Contemplation for a personal practiceof going within is what I would call it.
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And there's so many ways towork with that when we go in.
Um, and maybe that'll beanother episode at some point.
If, if you sit for fiveminutes consciously devoted
to your own inner experience.
You might have two or threeinsights or awarenesses if
you sat there for 30 minutes.
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You know, if, if you or I aredoing, excuse me, a practice, you
know, if I'm doing a practice, ifyou're doing a practice on our own,
we're coming out of that with like.
50 things that we've recognized,awarenesses, insights, inspirations,
intuitions, we've had things that haveall of a sudden been made clear, and
that's just in a 30 minute sitting.
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Okay?
So when someone takes one of thoseburning bush moments that anyone can
have, quite honestly, anybody canhave, and any sort of inner experience.
When we get quiet, we just tune into theheart or love or source, or the infinite
creator or the source field, whatever.
When we have an insight that's forthat moment, and it may, it may
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like go out into our own field,into our own life, it may continue
to have an influence or impact.
But if we say, that's it.
I had my one aha moment.
The burning bush told me this thing.
I'm done.
This is it.
Let's codify it and then let's adhereto it for the rest of our lives.
And not just me, but now all of youwe're, we're missing the point because.
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Five seconds later, we mighthave another burning bush moment.
And then five seconds laterand five seconds later, and
you guys, five seconds later.
So the thing is, with the innertruth also another, another place
where people can get stuck isthinking because they glimpsed
something about their inner truth.
Once that that's it, it's over and done.
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And that that's true forthe rest of the life.
I can speak from my own experience,and Michael, I know you can too.
Things that were true for mefrom the depths of my heart and
soul five years ago, 10 yearsago, 15 years ago, have changed.
Six months ago, nine months ago.
This is why we've transformed our workinto inner true seekers is because
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we've recognized that the things that,the ways we were working or the things
we were focusing on, while valuableand important and beneficial at the
time, no longer resonated with this.
And so just for anyone listening outthere, you know, you guys know that.
Know that the innertruth evolves like we do.
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We are not static.
We do not.
We're not statues that once wefigure it out, that's how it is.
Life continues to flourish.
Seasons continue to move through.
So paying attention to the inner truthor seeking the inner truth is a way of
life, meaning that it's something westay tuned into all the time because.
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It does change.
And sometimes, like, you know, Michael,you and I have experienced sometimes, at
least for me, I get a little sad about it.
Oh, I was really loving that direction,but it no longer feels resonant.
So, you know, sometimes for me at least,there's a little bit of a grieving
process or just an honoring process of,of like, ah, this thing was really great.
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I really enjoyed it.
It no longer serves me, but it still holdsa sweet spot in my heart and I'm changing.
And so, and continue on.
Yeah, and I, and I think like alsojust to let everyone know, ask us,
why are you in tree seekers now?
Why have you changed in tree seekers and.
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One genuine answer to that is thathas the highest probability of still
being resonant for us, for the restof our professional career, so that we
don't have to change our, oh my God,our website and our branding again.
So we want it to be, we like whatis gonna be something that sticks
with us and is like in truth.
Although may have many differentforms for us in our expression and
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our work and the way that we connectwith people in a truth feels solid.
That's been a guidingprinciple in our lives.
So like, we'll see, you know, ifyou're listening to this podcast
in five years time and our websitehas changed something different,
then it's still Michael and Jamie.
But I think that's, um, you know, aswe're kind of getting on, kind of like
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towards the end of time for the episode,like I think it might be nice to give
people like a little bit of like a insightor a look through the window of like
what inner truth seekers looks like.
You know, what type of things canpeople expect from this podcast, you
know, from, you know, working with uson our website, other things like that.
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What, what kind of, you know, we've kindof talked about it conceptually, if you
will, or try to ground it down as best wecan, but what's, like, the practical way
or like what type of things bring peopleinto awareness of their inner truth?
Um, and what type of conversationsdo you think we're gonna be
covering on this podcast?
Oh, good lord, that's a great question.
Uh.
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You know, just tuning in here.
Uh, I would say that.
Something that's innate toall the work that we do.
We absolutely love empowering people inrecognizing or just even bringing their
attention towards their own inner truth.
So that often, you know, can soundvery sort of spiritual and woowoo.
But like, if we're just gonnabe technical and very grounded,
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it means close your eyes.
It means close your ha, close youreyes, and it means, it means take
your attention away from your thoughtsand bring it down into your heart.
Even when I say that, you don'thave to know what that means.
I promise you.
I'm gonna say it again, just so you canfeel it or sense it or, or lean into it.
When I say bring your attention from yourhead to your heart, that just means we're
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taking it away from the thinking mindand we're bringing it to a place of love
that seems to be centered in our body.
Whether it is or not doesn't matter, butso we're always imparting, I would say,
practical tools, grounded tools, so that.
People know and can immediatelyinstantaneously access what I would
say, the love that's dirty within them.
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Or their own inner truth.
A second thing I know that we'llabsolutely be emphasizing nonstop
is what we call or reference asspiritual sovereignty and we'll,
more than likely touch more on thatin a future podcast episode as well.
But spiritual sovereignty just means thatwe know that these podcasts and all the
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work we do, that they're meant to inspireyou to recognize or remember something
that you already know and we trust that.
Every person, uh, listening andevery person that we work with has
the ability to have discernmentand be clear for themselves.
Be the final filter.
Is this a fit for me?
Does it resonate with me?
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Does it not take it or leave it?
. Take what resonates, leave, what doesn't.
We have no attachment in this work,uh, in our podcast, in our teachings,
in our mentoring, in our channeling.
We have no attachment tooutcome for any of it.
We know that whatever's coming throughor streaming through anything we do will
be meant for some people, won't be meantfor others, and we're okay with that.
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And so what's more importantto us always, and you'll get
plenty of it in this podcast, is.
Really starting to practice trustingyourself, tuning into what feels resonant
or not tuning into what it, what doesn'teven sound like you understand it or
you don't even know what we're talkingabout, and just being okay with that.
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Um, trusting yourself will constantlyempower you to trust yourself.
You know, we, we have thatcapability within us, each
one of us, so trust yourself.
You know, you can do that.
That's available to all of us.
And, and what a lovely,loving thing to do.
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Um, so yeah, that's what comes up for me.
How about you?
Um, I.
Well, I don't know to be honest, becauseif I knew then it would be boring.
But like, as a kind of overview, we'regonna be talking about non-duality
or the oneness of all creation,all things, how to access that.
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Uh, more than likely, as we gothrough this, as we've already
touched on today, there'll beconversations about transforming
trauma, which can be the kind of.
Like the obstacle to us being awarethat our inner truth is already present.
And you know, the, the kind of howthat transition for the work from
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that personal transformation as onceyou've had that personal transformation
or that personal awakening, how youthen boldly step into sharing your
inner truth in a way that's authentic,that inspires other others without.
You know, being oppressive with it.
Like how do you find that balance ofallowing your kind of inner truth to
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blossom and share that with the world?
And also that helps you amplifyyour authenticity, your impact, and
your abundance in this incarnation.
You know, whether it be in yourrelationships, your work, your
life, your family, your professionalcareer, your own business and
organization, and like how in a truthpermeates every aspect of your being.
When, as Jamie as you said, youknow, becomes a way of life.
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Not our way of life, notsomeone else's way of life.
Your own recognition of what is themost optimum and contain content and
happy, and productive and excitingway for you to live your life.
And so, you know, we go through allthe work from channeling to intuitive
development through to connecting to yourown intuition and, and how to express
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that in, in every aspect of your work.
And, you know, we'll talk about.
I'm pretty confident,controversial topics along the way.
I think we'll want to be dispelling myths.
Yes.
Uh, like, you know, we touched ontoday, I think we want to have real
conversations about stuff that'shappening in our own inner world,
in the kind of external world, theshifts that we're going through.
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On the planet as we describe it,and as described as going from third
to fourth density on planet Earth.
Other, in other words, the kind of thatshift, that planetary shift towards love.
And I think we're just gonna be answeringquestions that come up, you know, through
our engagement with all of our clientsand our friends and our family and, and
things that are kind of like hot topicsof, you know, navigating the incarnation.
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How, how to do that in a waythat that's grace, graceful.
That's exciting, that'spowerful, that's productive.
Um, so I think that inner truth seekersto kind of summarize that and bring
that up is like, I think it's a greatcontainer for us to have all the
conversations that we have all the time.
You know, have those deep insightsthat we kind of bring from our
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client conversations that we haveone-on-one with people obviously.
Um, in this kind of private, um,sorry, this kind of group setting,
us bringing up topics that have beenexciting for us, what we've learned over
the years, you know, what we kind ofsee as kind of patterns and behaviors
that many people are going through.
'cause we also notice thata lot of people feel like.
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They're just goingthrough it on their own.
So I think it's really about bringingeveryone together to investigate and
explore and express their inner truth,uh, as we kind of come together for
this next shift on, on planet Earth.
Well, I think that wrapswraps it up for today.
Yeah, isn't it?
We do.
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That was good.
Yeah.
So yeah, check out ourwebsite in a true seekers.com.
Check out our free resources.
Uh, sign up to our newsletter, and youcan keep up to date, uh, with all of
these podcast episodes, plus weeklyinsights delivered direct to your inbox.
So thank you so much, uh, for, forlistening, and yeah, we've, we've
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got some exciting episodes comingvery soon, so thank you so much.
What if the answers you're seeking aren'tout there, but actually within you?
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Welcome to the Inner Truth SeekersPodcast, where we help you discover and
embody your own inner truth, not justas a concept, but as a way of life.
Hi, we're your hosts.
I'm Jamie.
And I'm Michael.
And in today's episode, we're gonna diveinto what Inner truth actually means,
why we decided to rebrand our businessas inner truth seekers and how Inner
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truth seeking for us in our life andour work has absolutely transformed
our way of being and how you can too.
So let's dive in.
Okay, here we are, episode one ofthe Inner Truth Seekers podcast.
Yeah.
Long time in the making indiscussions, and we're finally here.
Sat down to have this conversation,the first of many, and we've just
(00:48):
launched the new inner tree seekers.com
website, the new brand and new business.
I'm very excited about it, and I'mreally excited to start this series of
conversations with you and let people intoour world really of all the conversations
that we have, you know, at the dinnertable or at any time through the day,
or the processing or the insightsand the awarenesses that come to us.
(01:10):
We've always talked about wantingto bring this out and let people in.
To our kind of inner worldand also help people connect
to their inner world as well.
So how does it feel?
Uh, it feels great, and I agree.
We've been, uh, we've been talkingabout this for quite some time and
it's been something that we've beeninspired to do and we finally are
maybe at the place where we can do it.
(01:31):
Um, it, it has this feeling ofbeing simultaneously, uh, like not.
Soon enough, and at thesame time right on time.
And so I'm just gonna trust,or we're gonna trust that
it's happening when it should.
And I'm excited to starthaving these conversations.
You know, like you said, we've,we've felt for a long time.
(01:53):
You and I talk about all kindsof stuff in depth and because of
the work we do and because of ourown personal practices, uh, we.
Have these conversations all the timethat often we think, oh, I think more
people would wanna hear about this orbe involved in this, or contribute to
this or have something to say aboutit, or see this in a different way.
(02:13):
Like, like we're kind of discovering.
And so I'm happy to be ableto finally get to do that.
Awesome.
Great.
Well, I think what kinda, what comes upreally to kind of kick things off and,
you know, maybe you can answer first andthen perhaps I'll answer the question.
Yeah.
You know.
What is an inner truth seeker?
What does inner truth mean?
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And kind of why from your side, didyou feel so excited when we came up
with the name Inner Truth Seekers?
And kind of what does it really meanfor you, for us, for this next chapter
and also especially for people whoare connecting with us, what kind
of does that shift really entail?
And why inner truth seekers andwhat is an inner, a truth seeker?
What does that mean?
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That's a great question and, and I'll beexcited to hear what you have to say too.
Uh, you know, it's, it's felt for mefor a long time now, even before we
launched in our true seekers and evenbefore we started this podcast, you and
I have both felt like if we were talkingabout like, what is our dream client?
Who's our dream client, well.
It's someone who's dedicated to theirown practice, someone who's dedicated to
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their own path, someone who's dedicatedto their own internal inquiry or seeking
or meditation, or consciousness expansionor healing or trauma transformation.
It's someone who's dedicated, whichmeans you know, someone who's.
Has a sincere desire to follow whateverimpulses are coming through, whatever's
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being shown, whatever lessons arebeing learned, and then that dedication
also with the inner truth seekers.
So, you know, we couldtalk about just truth.
As a word and what that means, but innertruth to me gets so much more juicy.
Uh, you and I both, we know that wetend to live our lives from a place
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of honoring our own inner truth.
You and I have done that in our livesas individuals before we've even met,
and then when, since we've met eightyears ago, we've just potentiated that.
Ourselves and eachother through our union.
And so that seems to be something that'sreally important to us is constantly
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seeking, looking inwards, finding, um,discovering whatever is being impulse
or inspired through us authentically.
From the inside out.
You and I also, um, in our own lives, andI'll just speak for myself and you'll,
you'll say more about this I'm sure,but for myself, even my whole life, if
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I look back, even to when I was a kid,I've just always sort of followed my own
path and that's always been somethingthat's been interesting or fascinating
to me and something that is just a,in a sincere passion that I've had.
And so.
Even when I have heard or wehear outside voices saying, this
is what it should look like.
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This is what you should be doing,this is what it means to be human,
whatever anyone's saying, I'vealways kind of had this sense of,
well, that's interesting, but I'lltune in and see what's true for me.
And so that inner truth has alwaysbeen alive within me in my own life.
And then it's always been something whenI work and work in service to other people
through my sessions and my programs,courses, our work we do together.
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I love and am passionate abouthelping assisting other people.
Connect with their own innertruth and follow their own
path and be empowered in that.
Because essentially, you know, forme, what I see it in ourselves and
other people and anyone really is thatwe're all such unique individuations
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of God or the divine or source orthe infinite creator, and that that
is being expressed through us veryuniquely, brilliantly and perfectly.
Through our inner truth.
And so when we're able to tune intothat, when we're able to, um, uh, come
from that place, when we're able to makedecisions from that place, when we're able
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to embody that in our work and serviceto others, it's like we're allowing
the God to move through us outward and,and I just think that that's perfect.
What would you say about inner truth?
Well, firstly, I think,yeah, that was great.
And just to everyone listening,uh, there's no danger of Jamie not
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following her in a truth anytime soon.
That's true.
Or anyone trying to knock her off thator convincing her anything otherwise.
That's true.
And I think it probably, youprobably say the same goes for me.
Yes.
Uh, I think, I think though through,you know, what we've learned from each
other and what we've learned through.
This, you know, many, many years of,of being, of service to others and,
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and working through our own traumas,our own limit and beliefs, our own
awakening into non-dual infiniteconsciousness of becoming aware of
that and like the evolution of ourwork over like the past decade.
Like it's always come back to us.
And what has guided us morethan anything has been the
recognition of our own inner truth.
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And then that bridging of not onlyrecognizing it, but finding the courage
and the bravery to embody it, follow it.
And of course we've been really luckyand fortunate that we've had each other
kind of like cheering each other on andthat we've always really found ourselves.
Maybe going against the grain, goingagainst the kind of common consciousness
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or what is kind of like the normsright through from kind of physical
reality, kind of normal life that kindof brought us to meeting each other
kind of like eight years ago, right?
Through all of our work and retreatsand everything that we've done over
the years, we've always found ourselvesleaning more and more in towards.
That inner truth and that hasbeen a guiding principle for us.
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And it's been uncomfortable.
It's been challenging.
Yeah.
It's been disapproved.
We've questioned ourselves.
We've doubted ourselves.
But I think if we look back, and Iknow that, you know, from our other
conversations, it's, it's the samefor you that we can track back so many
points within our life where we hadawareness of our inner truth going.
(08:22):
Hey, there's a, there'sa door opening here.
Do you want to go through it?
There's a door that kind of goes offthe main path off what mainstream
consciousness perhaps is kind of invitingyou to stay on, you know, and I can look
back at different points in my life,you know, kind of when I, when I left
home, when I, when I got my scholarshipto go and play rugby, when I kinda
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left all my friends, when I went andtraveled the world, when I came to Peru.
All these different types ofthings, there's just so many.
So many choices that I can look back andgo, that was my inner truth, inviting
me to kind of step more into it.
And the more and more that I, and wehave done that, I would say the more
potent, powerful, transformative, uh,majestic magic our lives has become.
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As we recognize that actually.
We each, you and I individually haveour own inner truth that we follow.
We have this kind of really great overlapthrough so many aspects of our lives where
that inner truth kind of potentiates it.
But kind of what we're doingnow with inner truth seekers is.
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We're endeavoring to kind of bringthat support of inner truth seekers
from around the world, around theglobe who all have that desire to say,
I acknowledge something within myselfthat is my own divine truth essence,
or my inner truth, or my higher self,or my deeper awareness of what's true
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for me, and I desire to follow that.
For multiple reasons.
One, because it's exciting to do so.
Two, because it's almostimpossible not to.
Yeah.
Because when you start following thatinner truth, you, you get aware that,
oh, here's my inner truth telling meto do this or inviting me to do this.
And if you ignore it, the kind of, thekind of, uh, the calling of that gets
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louder, sometimes even more uncomfortable.
And then three, I think, you know, partof our, our work that we're doing here
in tree seekers is to help people toconnect that, because I think you and I
are curious what will the world be likeor what the planetary shift to love look
like, where more and more people stoplooking outside themselves for answers.
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Stop looking to like the media orinstitutions or whatever it may be, to
kind of spoonfeed them what they shoulddo with their lives, and to reclaim the
sovereignty and the recognition of, Iknow why I came to Earth, and I'm gonna
follow that inner truth as a breadcrumb.
That leads me to kind of everyaction, every step, every situation,
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every awareness that enables me toembody that inner truth in each day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I love that.
And, and you and I talk aboutthat a lot, uh, you know, a big
part of, so, inner truth seeker,one of those words is seeker.
Uh, and it feels like when we desire,when you or I have desired throughout
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our life or other people we know andpeople, students, friends, clients that
are seeking their inner truth, that.
The other thing is that seeking itcomes from someplace within, you know,
it's, it's not just something, it's notlike, oh, okay, I value inner truth.
Okay, I know that exists.
I'm gonna go along with my dailylife and forget about it again, that.
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That person who seeks theirinner truth, there is something
being impulsed from within.
There's some inspiration from withinto follow one's own path, to make one's
own choices, to pioneer, to way show,to create something new, to innovate.
To inspire, to teach, toempower, to change, to transform.
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There's something inside that's therethat wants to, desires to is impulse
and inspired by, uh, expressing,knowing, and expressing and embodying.
The, the inner truth.
And that has a tendency also, uh, inyour and i's experience and in a lot of
people that we work with, uh, that hasa tendency too, to find its way not just
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into someone's personal life, um, althoughyou know, it, it does find its way into
there, but it also has a tendency to,after a period of time, want to express
itself in the professional life too.
So whether, whether it's.
Having a job or being an employee ofa company or a business, or whether
it's starting to recognize, ah,actually, you know, I think I wanna
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start my own business because theway that this industry works, I think
it could be different or better.
Or maybe it's being entirely creative, anartist, a creative, a musician, something
like that where it's like, I have thisthing coming through me that just wants
to come through me powerfully, andI've gotta give it shape and form, and
I've gotta give it an outlet to do so.
And so that.
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That inner true seeker, the seeker,that seeking is that inner drive
calling impulse desire that's there.
That sort of, I think of it like,you know, like a beating heart
that it just pulsates and it, andit won't let us not recognize it.
And I know that's how I feel.
You know, I, I feel likewhen things come through me.
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I can't not recognize them.
I can't not be aware of them.
I can't not consider them.
I can't not work with them or try tobe in flow with them when I, when I do
that, and I, like you said earlier, Ihaven't done that alone in my life, but
when I do sort of ignore it or avoidit or maybe set it to the side, which
is fine, you know, because we all haveour own perfect timing with things.
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But when I do that, I just.
Cause myself a lot ofsuffering from the inside.
And so for me, um, and for, I wouldsay the inner true seeker, um, there's
more curiosity, uh, joy, fulfillment,meaning, purpose, when we pay attention
to and follow that inner desire, impulseto express and embody our inner truth.
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Great.
Yeah, and I think that kind of whatcomes up when you're saying that is
maybe like, I'm thinking like howcan we explain it perhaps more easily
to people what an inner truth seekeris and kind of like ground it down.
So for you, like what is not.
Inner seeking.
I like that because I think that canreally, I think that can really highlight
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and then maybe, maybe I can give a fewexamples in my life where I, I know that
I didn't follow my inner truth becauseit's been a, like a great highlighter
for me of not following inner truth andrecognizing, oh, that wasn't my truth.
There was something beyondit, because I know for me.
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Before I learned to recog recognizemy inner truth, I was lost and I
didn't have a different experience.
I didn't know that my inner truthexisted, that there was something
more to my life and to my existence.
So what for you are maybe in somepersonal examples or also just
some generalized examples, what isnot following inner truth and why?
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That's a good one, Michael.
You know, the first thing that comes upand, and this is, I just think of from
my own life experience, uh, when we.
I would say peopleplease is what I call it.
And you know, some of us, depending onthe culture that we grow up in or the
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family environment we grow up in, wemight be conditioned from a young age
just to do what people tell us to do.
Whatever your mother says to do, do it.
Uh, whatever your, uh, churchor your preacher says, do it.
Um, whatever your teacher at schoolis teaching, you know, that's what
you should desire to do or be.
And, and a lot of those things get placedon us sometimes, you know, based on our.
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Gender or our biology, or our skincolor or our age, or our ability.
So things get tagged on us of what weshould be, what we shouldn't be, how
we should act, how we shouldn't act.
You know, a lot of us can think aboutin our own families, you know, depending
on where you grew up, uh, that wemight have gender roles put on us.
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Girls do this, boys do this,women do this, men do this.
And so.
When we just blindly, or I might sayunconsciously, follow somebody else's
opinions, perspectives, uh, judgements.
That would be the opposite of inner truth.
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That would be what?
What's the joke that we make?
Outer non-truth, outer falsityis the opposite of inner truth.
Something like that.
Yeah.
Do I wanna follow inner truth ordo I wanna follow outer falsity?
So it's just words that get said.
I always think of it as like.
The ears hear a lot ofvoices, and sometimes there's
a lot of voices around us.
It could be friends, itcould be family, it could be
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partners, it could be anything.
It could be the collective,it could be a political party.
Um, so when we hear all those voices,what we should or shouldn't be
doing, what we should or shouldn'tbe thinking, the, that would be the
opposite of following inner truth.
What comes up for you?
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Anything else come up for youabout what's not inner truth?
Um, yeah, I mean, I think I canjust really speak that for me,
like not following inner truth andlike Jamie will attest to this.
It's like being told what to do.
So he hates that, you guys.
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So, so being, being told and, and likeI, I'm making a bit of a joke, but
it's very true and like I, I know thatthere's obviously different things from
my childhood and traumas and thingslike that that kind of relate to why
I am maybe so sensitive to being toldwhat to do, but like on like a more
genuine, like serious kind of note.
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There is this, I think,awareness within me that.
Definitely, I wasn't as so strong asconfident as it like 10 years ago,
but there is just this awareness that,okay, there is a soul experience here.
My soul's having an experience.
There's a soul blueprint, and Ithink we'll talk more about the
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Soul Blueprint in the next episodeor an episode coming up soon.
But like the sole blueprintor my own inner awareness, or
my own inner truth has a plan.
I'm the only person me and like infinity,God, one consciousness, whatever
you wanna call it, know that plan.
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So the more that I get in tunewith knowing that plan, or knowing
why I'm here, or knowing myselfor knowing myself, like the more
confident and aware of knowing myself.
Then the less permeable I am toouter authorities trying to say
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what I should or shouldn't do.
Now there's like benign type versionsof someone saying, Hey, you know
what would be really good for you?
You should do this.
You know, and, and, and you'relike, okay, you know, thank
you for, thank you for that.
But that doesn't really resonate for me.
And then there's kind of likemore things, you know, we kind
of see in the planetary sphere.
Yeah.
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Where there's a lot more, I would say deepconsequence for people oppressing, uh.
Their idea of what should be the structureof the planet onto minorities or other
kind of people who have been marginalized.
And we have those, you know,this kind of outer oppression.
So for the most part, you know, we livea, thankfully, a very sheltered life that
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we don't really have that much of anyonereally telling us to do something that
you know, is really out of alignment,that we are just like so against.
So.
The reason I'm kind of sharing thatis I believe how we've kind of like
formed as a society and the kind oflike the governing and the rule and
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like kind of what we've kind of got onthe planet is based upon certain groups
of people having an idea about whattheir inner truth is and then trying to
like put that on top of everyone else.
Oh yes.
And make, and make everyone else do it.
So.
That, you know, you can just lookaround the planet, look at the news.
You can just see that going on allthe time and it's been going on and
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you know, we dunno how long that typeof stuff will continue on the planet.
But when we can kind of look into kindof more of our inner sphere, I think
like the invitation or like the inquiryor the practice is really, is like, how
can I honor my own inner truth whilsthonoring someone else's inner truth?
You know, how do I hold spacefor my inner truth to be true and
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someone else's differing opinion.
To be also true for themwithout needing them to change.
But that type of experience has the, Iwould say, has to have the common ground
that both those parties agree to notdo harm to each other in the process.
So.
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You know, that's not, that's not like kindof the ruling law on the planet earth.
That's not how, how things go.
But in essence, when we look at likewhat inner truth is not to kind of
answer the question, inner truth forme is not following what someone else.
His idea for my life is just becausethey have a different perspective
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or opinion, whether it be a certainlevel of authority or just someone
sharing a different level of opinion.
And for me, you know, throughmy own life and kind of like a
bit more of like an insight intolike, you know, the trauma that.
I mentioned at the earlier part ofthis, I went through different parts of
my life growing up, um, moving arounda lot, having difficulty, like having
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friendships or different groups or wouldmove and then had to make friends again.
And, you know, through travelingaround the world and kind of being
here in Peru, one of the things thatI noticed that was one of my defense
mechanisms as a kid to feel safe wasto just do what the group was doing.
Yeah.
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So that I would fit in, you know,and Jamie will tell you like, there's
no danger of me doing that anymore.
But like, that's the kindof like the trauma aspect.
If like you're not aware of where,why that has come there, it can
also distort your kind of spiritualpractice, if you will, because you're
compensating for that traumatic eventin the past and then overcompensating.
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Uh, so simply to say like,for me, inner truth is not.
Following or not?
Well, how we say it.
For me, inner truth is following my owntruth and it's, it's honoring to the best
of my ability, largely differing opinionswithout that needing to affect my field or
me needing to affect someone else's field.
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Yeah.
I love that.
I love that.
And, and I'm gonna bring in, uh, thisis making me think of something you
and I experience with each other, youknow, on the personal level in terms
of our friendship and our marriage.
Uh, and, you know, you andI have a lot of overlap.
In terms of our values and our ethicsand what we care about and what we love
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and, and what we desire in our hearts.
And then we also have things that wehave our own perspective or opinion or.
Ideas about what something is, whatit means, what's more important.
And I know even when, um, you and Icome into, I would say disagreement
about something that I may be likethis, this, this, I think this is a
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priority, we move in this direction.
And that you're like, thankyou for that perspective.
For me it's this, this, this, and I feellike we need to move in this direction.
And actually that can besecondary or tertiary.
You know, I know.
What's something that's reallyimportant for you and I when
we hit those moments where.
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I recognize that something that feelsimportant, true, authentic, for me,
doesn't seem to be equally valued by you.
That you have something else thatfeels true or authentic or sincere
for you in regards to maybe decisionswe're making, you know, in our
marriage or regards to decisionswe're making as our, in our business.
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And I know something you andI both practice, but I'll just
speak for myself right now.
You know, it's so important and I'maware in those moments that I continue
to tune in to what feels true for me,because what I don't wanna do, this
would be the opposite of inner truth.
Just because you've said somethingand, and you know, you guys, Michael
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is very persuasive and he's, he'svery clear on what he knows and he can
speak about it directly, convincingly.
So not to convince, but so many timeswhen he does that, I just am like.
He believes it so much.
I believe it.
You know, so I'm aware that I have atendency with you that when you're like,
it's this, that I'm like, I trust it.
Let's do it.
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So, uh, you know, I, what I have todo when we have those disconnects
in terms of our perspective, ourdesire, our truth, our authenticity,
what feels true, it's, I'm alwaysdoing several things on the inside.
You know, I'm.
My ears are opening.
Listen to what he's saying.
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It's not in alignment with whatI'm saying, so stay open and
listen to what he's saying.
At the same time, I'm stayingopen to what you're saying.
I also am sure inside.
I don't want to caveto it, inauthentically.
And pander to it.
Inauthentically.
Oh, well Michael's saying this and hebelieves it, so we should just do it.
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Which you're like, I could feel you.
Like, can you just do that sometimes?
Shame me, please.
Um, so then the other thing I don't wannado is, well, I feel this authentically,
Michael disagrees, and then all ofa sudden I'm resisting and sort of
pulling away or contracting because I'mtrying to stay stubborn in my own idea.
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So.
Instead, what I do is try to staycentered, and the word that's been coming
through a lot for me lately is equanimity.
Is have equanimity with I feel this way.
He feels that way.
I trust this will come to some sortof resolution or conclusion, but
in this moment it may not be so.
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But also, I don't need you to feelthe way I feel and there can be
something really powerful in that,something very empowering for me.
I know for sure to say inside,this is what feels true for me.
This is what feels authentic.
It doesn't appear that that's so foryou, you have a different perspective.
You have a different sense of something.
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And both can equally exist.
And that it doesn't have to meanthat there's conflict or it doesn't
have to mean there's disagreement.
There's simply, uh, difference happening.
And so usually when that happens, you andI just acknowledge that I feel this way.
You feel this way, Uhhuh.
Huh?
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Should we just let that sit for a while?
Yep.
Usually when we let that sit, itfinds its way and works its way out.
It seems to be what's best for both ofus in our marriage and our work so far.
Uh, so that, that comes up for mewhen you're talking about that.
Does anything come up foryou when I'm saying that?
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Well, I think, I thinkwe've got better, uh.
You know, honoring and recognizing eachother's inner truth without changing it.
I think when we first kind of met andwe were like, Hey, when were you born?
And you're like, oh, I'm a Capricorn.
You're a Capricorn.
And we were like, uh, yeah,my way's the right way.
You always not the right way.
And you thought thesame way the other way.
And we were like.
Uh, what did we do?
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'cause we both, you know, we had both hadbusinesses before we we met each other.
Yeah.
We were both, you know,very self-sufficient.
We were used to being the one whomade all the calls and lived our
life the way that we wanted to.
And then we had to kind ofcreate, you know, space for
something like a softening.
Of our, you know, own,uh, egos probably, yeah.
To start with.
That sounds right.
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Um, but you know, as we've kind of gonethrough that process, I think it has been
a beautiful process that I think, I think,you know, our marriage has taught me how
to kind of interact more with the worldin terms of recognizing, okay, I can have
a different opinion and someone else canhave a different opinion, and it's okay
for people to have different opinions.
So I think that's really, youknow, what it comes up and I'm
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kind of sharing about that, likethat process of inner tree seeking.
Like pitfalls I see for people ina tree seeking, you know, and we've
kind of already spoke about onethat was maybe earlier on in our,
our, you know, professional lifeand, and our marriage and stuff.
But is, and you hear this a lot oftimes and we kinda have some kind
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of amusing moments when we hear somestuff, but often what we'll hear is when
someone has an awareness of something.
If it's true for them, and ratherthan just basking in the beauty
of that truth, it goes straightto let's make everyone else Yeah.
Aware of.
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This ultimate truth, which might notbe an ultimate or objective truth.
And that's like one of the reasonswhy for you and I, we, you know, spent
little time, you know, through both ofour kind of seeking around the world
and kind of studying in differenttraditions and things of that nature.
It's one of the reasons why.
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You and I both extracted ourselvessimultaneously from kind of any
organized spiritual tradition.
Yeah, that was speakingin the ultimate truth.
And you know, when you speak or hearin different spiritual circles or
things of people doing differenttime of work or plant medicines
or all sorts of other things, whatthey might find their self doing.
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One of the pitfalls, thedistortions that we often see.
Is, I had this experience, I had thisvision, I had this dream, and now
because I had it, I've been chosen orsomething of that nature, or I've had
this experience, whether it's saidor not, but I've had this experience,
now I have this truth to say to you.
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So this is the point where we putour disclaimer in, like to anyone
out there who's listening to us, andwe always say this to everyone, it's
like, don't believe anything we say.
Please.
Yeah, just take whatresonates, leave what doesn't.
We're only here to inspire to,you know, I'm pretty much enjoying
this conversation, but we'rewe're, we are here to help reflect
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back to you your own inner truth.
It's not about us tellingyou what your inner truth is.
We are here to share about ourown experiences, uh, what's been
useful for us, what's been difficultfor us, what pitfalls have arisen
and, you know, find what resonatesfor you and leave what doesn't.
So that's what we'llal always, always say.
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Um, but in terms of like those kindof pitfalls, you, you know, I think
one of the examples that came upfor me when I was, I was doing a
session with a client was, um, youknow, Moses kind of goes and sees.
The burning bush.
You know, no one knows if he wastripping or whatever was going, but
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there was a burning bush that was there.
He's then had these 10 commandmentsand you know, you could probably
say 10 commandments in, you know, intheir essence are relatively ethical,
you might say, but this person hasbasically had a vision or has it a di
direct communication in his words, orhas the books kind of say with God.
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And I've had receivedthese 10 Commandments and
now everyone has to do it.
And like we can just look atdifferent spiritual traditions.
You look at different likeplant medicine traditions.
This is the way that theplant, the plants speak to you.
You have to do this, and if you don'tdo this, they won't speak to you.
You know, there's a similaritythere with kind of like, you know,
Moses, if you don't do these things,then God's not gonna be with you.
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Or you look at any type of otherspiritual tradition or teaching, you
know, and you can even look at it throughto like, you know, like with a lot of
work we do with helping people stepinto their own business or, or kind of
heart-centered entrepreneurs and thingslike this, there's marketing out there
that says, this is how you market yourbusiness and if you don't do this,
then you're not gonna have clients.
There's all these kind of ultimatums thatcome, which basically if we summarize it
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down, someone's had a direct experienceas something that works well for them.
IE their own inner truth.
And then rather than potentiallyjust having that as their own inner
truth awareness, they then needother people to do something with it.
And I think that that'swhere the distortion comes.
And I think that's what I was kindof alluding to earlier on in terms
of, you know, different communitiesor countries or wherever things are.
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There's just this oppressivenature, if you will, of someone's.
Own truth being put onto someone else.
So I think that that'swhat comes up for me.
Uh, I love that.
And, and you know what's so funnyin, in folks listening, Michael and
I often, uh, are having the same, Iwould say, train of thought or sort of
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in in intuitive inspiration in things.
And this whole time I've beenseeing a burning bush moment.
And so when you mentioned Mosesand the burning bush, uh, so if you
don't mind, I'm just gonna expandon that 'cause I'm feeling that too.
Yeah.
You know, something that's, um, thatI've been aware of in my own sort of
inner investigation is what I would callit, is that those burning bush moments,
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you know, literally if, if anybody, if,if you meditate, if you contemplate.
If you practice anything to do withgoing inward, stillness, prayer,
receptivity, presence, there's,there's so many different words.
Contemplation for a personal practiceof going within is what I would call it.
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And there's so many ways towork with that when we go in.
Um, and maybe that'll beanother episode at some point.
If, if you sit for fiveminutes consciously devoted
to your own inner experience.
You might have two or threeinsights or awarenesses if
you sat there for 30 minutes.
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You know, if, if you or I aredoing, excuse me, a practice, you
know, if I'm doing a practice, ifyou're doing a practice on our own,
we're coming out of that with like.
50 things that we've recognized,awarenesses, insights, inspirations,
intuitions, we've had things that haveall of a sudden been made clear, and
that's just in a 30 minute sitting.
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Okay?
So when someone takes one of thoseburning bush moments that anyone can
have, quite honestly, anybody canhave, and any sort of inner experience.
When we get quiet, we just tune into theheart or love or source, or the infinite
creator or the source field, whatever.
When we have an insight that's forthat moment, and it may, it may
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like go out into our own field,into our own life, it may continue
to have an influence or impact.
But if we say, that's it.
I had my one aha moment.
The burning bush told me this thing.
I'm done.
This is it.
Let's codify it and then let's adhereto it for the rest of our lives.
And not just me, but now all of youwe're, we're missing the point because.
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Five seconds later, we mighthave another burning bush moment.
And then five seconds laterand five seconds later, and
you guys, five seconds later.
So the thing is, with the innertruth also another, another place
where people can get stuck isthinking because they glimpsed
something about their inner truth.
Once that that's it, it's over and done.
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And that that's true forthe rest of the life.
I can speak from my own experience,and Michael, I know you can too.
Things that were true for mefrom the depths of my heart and
soul five years ago, 10 yearsago, 15 years ago, have changed.
Six months ago, nine months ago.
This is why we've transformed our workinto inner true seekers is because
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we've recognized that the things that,the ways we were working or the things
we were focusing on, while valuableand important and beneficial at the
time, no longer resonated with this.
And so just for anyone listening outthere, you know, you guys know that.
Know that the innertruth evolves like we do.
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We are not static.
We do not.
We're not statues that once wefigure it out, that's how it is.
Life continues to flourish.
Seasons continue to move through.
So paying attention to the inner truthor seeking the inner truth is a way of
life, meaning that it's something westay tuned into all the time because.
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It does change.
And sometimes, like, you know, Michael,you and I have experienced sometimes, at
least for me, I get a little sad about it.
Oh, I was really loving that direction,but it no longer feels resonant.
So, you know, sometimes for me at least,there's a little bit of a grieving
process or just an honoring process of,of like, ah, this thing was really great.
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I really enjoyed it.
It no longer serves me, but it still holdsa sweet spot in my heart and I'm changing.
And so, and continue on.
Yeah, and I, and I think like alsojust to let everyone know, ask us,
why are you in tree seekers now?
Why have you changed in tree seekers and.
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One genuine answer to that is thathas the highest probability of still
being resonant for us, for the restof our professional career, so that we
don't have to change our, oh my God,our website and our branding again.
So we want it to be, we like whatis gonna be something that sticks
with us and is like in truth.
Although may have many differentforms for us in our expression and
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our work and the way that we connectwith people in a truth feels solid.
That's been a guidingprinciple in our lives.
So like, we'll see, you know, ifyou're listening to this podcast
in five years time and our websitehas changed something different,
then it's still Michael and Jamie.
But I think that's, um, you know, aswe're kind of getting on, kind of like
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towards the end of time for the episode,like I think it might be nice to give
people like a little bit of like a insightor a look through the window of like
what inner truth seekers looks like.
You know, what type of things canpeople expect from this podcast, you
know, from, you know, working with uson our website, other things like that.
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What, what kind of, you know, we've kindof talked about it conceptually, if you
will, or try to ground it down as best wecan, but what's, like, the practical way
or like what type of things bring peopleinto awareness of their inner truth?
Um, and what type of conversationsdo you think we're gonna be
covering on this podcast?
Oh, good lord, that's a great question.
Uh.
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You know, just tuning in here.
Uh, I would say that.
Something that's innate toall the work that we do.
We absolutely love empowering people inrecognizing or just even bringing their
attention towards their own inner truth.
So that often, you know, can soundvery sort of spiritual and woowoo.
But like, if we're just gonnabe technical and very grounded,
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it means close your eyes.
It means close your ha, close youreyes, and it means, it means take
your attention away from your thoughtsand bring it down into your heart.
Even when I say that, you don'thave to know what that means.
I promise you.
I'm gonna say it again, just so you canfeel it or sense it or, or lean into it.
When I say bring your attention from yourhead to your heart, that just means we're
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taking it away from the thinking mindand we're bringing it to a place of love
that seems to be centered in our body.
Whether it is or not doesn't matter, butso we're always imparting, I would say,
practical tools, grounded tools, so that.
People know and can immediatelyinstantaneously access what I would
say, the love that's dirty within them.
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Or their own inner truth.
A second thing I know that we'llabsolutely be emphasizing nonstop
is what we call or reference asspiritual sovereignty and we'll,
more than likely touch more on thatin a future podcast episode as well.
But spiritual sovereignty just means thatwe know that these podcasts and all the
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work we do, that they're meant to inspireyou to recognize or remember something
that you already know and we trust that.
Every person, uh, listening andevery person that we work with has
the ability to have discernmentand be clear for themselves.
Be the final filter.
Is this a fit for me?
Does it resonate with me?
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Does it not take it or leave it?
. Take what resonates, leave, what doesn't.
We have no attachment in this work,uh, in our podcast, in our teachings,
in our mentoring, in our channeling.
We have no attachment tooutcome for any of it.
We know that whatever's coming throughor streaming through anything we do will
be meant for some people, won't be meantfor others, and we're okay with that.
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And so what's more importantto us always, and you'll get
plenty of it in this podcast, is.
Really starting to practice trustingyourself, tuning into what feels resonant
or not tuning into what it, what doesn'teven sound like you understand it or
you don't even know what we're talkingabout, and just being okay with that.
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Um, trusting yourself will constantlyempower you to trust yourself.
You know, we, we have thatcapability within us, each
one of us, so trust yourself.
You know, you can do that.
That's available to all of us.
And, and what a lovely,loving thing to do.
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Um, so yeah, that's what comes up for me.
How about you?
Um, I.
Well, I don't know to be honest, becauseif I knew then it would be boring.
But like, as a kind of overview, we'regonna be talking about non-duality
or the oneness of all creation,all things, how to access that.
(43:14):
Uh, more than likely, as we gothrough this, as we've already
touched on today, there'll beconversations about transforming
trauma, which can be the kind of.
Like the obstacle to us being awarethat our inner truth is already present.
And you know, the, the kind of howthat transition for the work from
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that personal transformation as onceyou've had that personal transformation
or that personal awakening, how youthen boldly step into sharing your
inner truth in a way that's authentic,that inspires other others without.
You know, being oppressive with it.
Like how do you find that balance ofallowing your kind of inner truth to
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blossom and share that with the world?
And also that helps you amplifyyour authenticity, your impact, and
your abundance in this incarnation.
You know, whether it be in yourrelationships, your work, your
life, your family, your professionalcareer, your own business and
organization, and like how in a truthpermeates every aspect of your being.
When, as Jamie as you said, youknow, becomes a way of life.
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Not our way of life, notsomeone else's way of life.
Your own recognition of what is themost optimum and contain content and
happy, and productive and excitingway for you to live your life.
And so, you know, we go through allthe work from channeling to intuitive
development through to connecting to yourown intuition and, and how to express
(44:40):
that in, in every aspect of your work.
And, you know, we'll talk about.
I'm pretty confident,controversial topics along the way.
I think we'll want to be dispelling myths.
Yes.
Uh, like, you know, we touched ontoday, I think we want to have real
conversations about stuff that'shappening in our own inner world,
in the kind of external world, theshifts that we're going through.
(45:02):
On the planet as we describe it,and as described as going from third
to fourth density on planet Earth.
Other, in other words, the kind of thatshift, that planetary shift towards love.
And I think we're just gonna be answeringquestions that come up, you know, through
our engagement with all of our clientsand our friends and our family and, and
things that are kind of like hot topicsof, you know, navigating the incarnation.
(45:25):
How, how to do that in a waythat that's grace, graceful.
That's exciting, that'spowerful, that's productive.
Um, so I think that inner truth seekersto kind of summarize that and bring
that up is like, I think it's a greatcontainer for us to have all the
conversations that we have all the time.
You know, have those deep insightsthat we kind of bring from our
(45:48):
client conversations that we haveone-on-one with people obviously.
Um, in this kind of private, um,sorry, this kind of group setting,
us bringing up topics that have beenexciting for us, what we've learned over
the years, you know, what we kind ofsee as kind of patterns and behaviors
that many people are going through.
'cause we also notice thata lot of people feel like.
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They're just goingthrough it on their own.
So I think it's really about bringingeveryone together to investigate and
explore and express their inner truth,uh, as we kind of come together for
this next shift on, on planet Earth.
Well, I think that wrapswraps it up for today.
Yeah, isn't it?
We do.
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That was good.
Yeah.
So yeah, check out ourwebsite in a true seekers.com.
Check out our free resources.
Uh, sign up to our newsletter, and youcan keep up to date, uh, with all of
these podcast episodes, plus weeklyinsights delivered direct to your inbox.
So thank you so much, uh, for, forlistening, and yeah, we've, we've
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got some exciting episodes comingvery soon, so thank you so much.
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