E13 Unqualified: The One Where They Talk Politics

It was bound to happen... We accidentally made an episode about our current political climate. What started as between-episode chit-chat became, well, this. No sugar coating this one.

Content warnings: pregnancy loss, medical trauma/death, pregnancy/infant health risks, legal & ethical issues, social & political debate, racial justice context, emotional distress, abuse, mental health

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American Civil Liberties Union:

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Adriana Smith GoFundMe:

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Hi friends, it's Kimberly. I wanted to call out a few
things ahead of this episode. Tori and I started this podcast
to be a safe and a fun space to talk about problems that we have
solutions to as a place to shareour tools with others and to
help rise the tides for all ships.
But this episode quickly became about problems that we cannot
possibly solve in our sweet little recording studio.

(00:23):
But politics are real, and we'renot going to shy away from the
conversation. That being said, this is a huge
disclaimer. This is not just a rather, this
is just a conversation between two friends.
It was never intended to be anything else.
This episode was not researched.We did not have a strategy for
the direction that we wanted this episode to go in.

(00:43):
We have no cited sources. This is just a natural
conversation. Because of that, I think there
are some shortcomings. Unfortunately, that means that
we don't name some very important things, like, for
example, calling Adriana Monae Smith by name, but we do discuss
some real things that have happened to real people in this
episode. And so we also wanted to give

(01:05):
you a content warning. We talk about difficult things,
and since our conversation styleis pretty unfiltered, some of
this episode may catch you off guard.
However, in the context of this conversation and the topic, we
felt it was important to keep everything as is.
The important message here, I think, is that this is just a
conversation between two friends.

(01:26):
It happens to now be posted online.
We are simply exercising our right to free speech under the
1st Amendment, and this episode is not meant to be a reliable
data source or a tool for any kind of political influence.
We also want to continue to highlight that we are open to
all opinions and we are always game for a healthy debate to
help us all better understand each other, so please feel free

(01:48):
to reach out. Perspectives and experiences are
valuable no matter where they come from.
Lastly, because so much of this larger conversation does feel
out of our control, we want to provide something that is within
all of our control. So if you were able, please
consider donating to one of these causes.
The first that we chose is Northwest Immigrant Rights
Project. This is an organization who

(02:08):
promotes justice by defending and advancing the rights of
immigrants through direct legal services, systemic advocacy, and
community education. We also love their emphasis on
keeping families together. There's also the Refugee Women's
Alliance, which is an organization that supports
thousands of refugees and immigrants each year through ESL
classes, employments and employment and job training,

(02:30):
housing assistance, behavioral health counseling, citizenship
and Immigration legal services, domestic violence support, and
child care support. There's also Fixed Democracy
First, which is an advocacy organization focusing on
achieving fair elections and government policies that reflect
the will of the people, not the power of money.
And of course, for those of you who are not in the Pacific

(02:50):
Northwest, there is the AmericanCivil Liberties Union who is
doing great things on a nationallevel.
If you are still listening, thank you so much for sticking
with us. This is obviously a very out of
the ordinary intro and episode as a whole.
I hope you enjoy, I hope you, I hope you enjoy.
I don't know if that's the rightword.
I hope you relate. I hope you find something

(03:11):
beneficial about this episode. We truly can't wait to hear your
thoughts. Please, please, please let us
know what you think. Did it resonate?
Did you love it? Did you hate it?
We don't plan on on having a lotof political conversations, but
we just felt it was important tomake sure that this was
included. It was a very natural
conversation. It was not as planned as I
mentioned, but it's here to stay.
So without further ado, let's doit.

(03:36):
What's that? What's that?
Which is the theme of the day? I mean, fuck it, fuck it, let's
go. What was the that one guy who
said fuck it, we'll do it live Ted.
No, Ted. Oh, I have no idea what you're
talking about. Ted Cruz.
Not Ted Cruz. Obviously not Ted.
Cruz, did you just see that interview?
Oh my God, Tucker Carlson. Just.

(03:59):
It was Tucker. Did you see it you.
Son of a bitch, it's Monday, let's go.
Oh, but you'll have to. Well, sure.
Look, don't touch it. OK.
Tucker Carlson interviewed Ted Cruz last week, and the
interview was quite good. He's like, because Ted Cruz is

(04:21):
like, it says in the Bible that that above all else, we have to,
you know, protect Israel. And Tucker Carlson was like,
yeah, but what's the definition of Israel?
Is it a geographic definition? Is it like lines on a map?
Is it the current Israeli government?
Is it Israel 2025 that the Biblewrote about?

(04:41):
Like, what is your definition ofIsrael?
And he couldn't answer any of those questions.
Of course you couldn't. I know, but like I was, I was.
It was very good. I was quite I was pleasantly
surprised by a good old tuck. Maybe it's Tucker Carlson that
was like, fuck it, let's do it live.
I think it was. Now I need to look it up.
Look, it is hunching like a gremlin over here.

(05:06):
What are these conditions? Oh wait, should we intro La La
la. Hi friends.
Hi. I'm Kimberly and I'm Tori, and
this is it's nothing. It's everything.
It is a hot mess of a podcast. We are on our second recording
of the day and that first one was a hot mess.

(05:30):
I don't know what we talked about, but it'll it'll be there,
it'll be somewhere. OK, so.
No, it was. It wasn't him.
Who? Who said who did it?
This guy, if he was a who? Oh, Bill O'Reilly.
Oh, good old Bill. What happened to him?
O'Reilly Auto Parts. Auto Parts?

(05:53):
Where's Bill? O'Reilly.
I don't know. Being disgruntled somewhere he's
got some big feels. Yeah, well, he's the one that
said fuck it, let's do it live. But what was he talking about?
Don't know. Oh, sure.
Oh, he's hosting a podcast he'llbe on next week with us.

(06:13):
Do. You think right after Michelle
Obama. After Michelle Obama.
OK, no spin news. Oh God.
Bill O'Reilly does no spin news.Yep.
Oh. After being dismissed from Fox
News in 2017 due to sexual misconduct.

(06:36):
Yeah, you seem like a person whois trustworthy to provide
information without any kind of slant.
That's true. Can we just learn at this point?
Like, can we just learn? I mean, clearly we can't because
look at the people that are still in positions of power, but

(06:56):
can we just learn that if you put like a shady, manipulative,
dishonest, selfish person in a position of power, they're
always going to serve their own best interests and lie to the
people about what they're doing?Because they're selfish.
And shady and manipulative and dishonest.
But they have money. Probably serving well.
Of course, everyone in positionsof power have money.

(07:17):
That's why they're there. That's how they got there.
That's what I'm missing. You don't see poor people in
politics. No.
We don't see any politicians representing the poors.
I don't. Think so we wouldn't be hearing
about them even if there were and so they.
Wouldn't have the money. The good civil servants of.
Actual America, right? Are there are many a good civil

(07:38):
servant of actual America? We just don't just hear about
them because the. Loud ass mouthpieces.
Yeah, because we're they're not making the loudest.
Sound like assholes and act likeassholes and bomb other
countries first. I don't want to say no reason,
but like, for bad reasons, Yeah,it's a dark week.
I'm having a hard time this week.
It's a dark week. It's a dark.

(07:59):
Week, it's only Monday. We're in a, we're in a Yuchi
time in this world. Yeah.
We're in a Yuchi time and I justlook around at these options we
have for parties, political parties and I want to light
everything on fire. I want to burn it all down and
and start over all of that. Burn it all down.

(08:21):
Who's the guy? Who's the guy that told Trump to
just bring it on? He was like, come arrest me
then. Who's that guy?
Gavin Newsom. Yeah, the.
Do we hate that guy? Governor of California.
Oh, that's a He's a Gray. Area for me he's I've heard of
that. He's I like some of the things
that he's done and I really dislike some of the things that

(08:42):
he's done. But he is, he is going out of
his way to look for a fight withTrump right now.
And I'm, you know, I'm. Kind of here for it.
Sure, somebody's gotta do it. I'm here for everyone else
getting their fucking mouth shutabout it.
Yeah, I'm here for like, where is literally any Democrat?
Where we got the Indies, we got the independents, we got good

(09:04):
old Bernie Sanders and AOC doinglike national tour.
Kind of stuff. Press events.
Yeah, I'm just gonna. Hold it.
And then everyone else is silentand it's very stupid on both
sides. Yeah.
Everyone's doing a lot of keeping their mouth shut right
now, and it's quite upsetting. Sorry.

(09:28):
I'm What do we? How do we?
How can I help you? This it won't.
Like I'm literally holding. It up by hold on hold on hold.
On by my arms, by my arm holes. Nick cut this out.
OK? This is what it was when I
walked in. But like, then this didn't want
to stay up. It's tired.

(09:51):
So that's why I tried to do thismove.
But then it was like too much weight that way, damn it.
No, no, no. Because there's like nothing
attached to this. Well, right.
This is just to attach it to the.
Yeah, I know because this. Is this is a problem?
Swivel, swivel this this is. Old and janky.
Much like myself. No, that's not maybe.

(10:13):
Why did that work? That's dumb.
OK, sure. I.
Don't know what the rules are, but why not?
Here's the problem with talking about politics though, is that I
am. I'm not ignorantly blissful.
Sure. But like, I'm just so
frustrated. Yeah, that and there's so many

(10:37):
people yelling. And I mean tell, prove, show me,
show me when that's ever worked.Yeah.
Like, and that's where I'm like the loudest person in the room
is never, should never be the person with the most.
Power. No.
And as long as modern politics look like Dick measuring

(10:57):
contests, we're never gonna go anywhere good.
There's way too much ego involved in politics and there's
way too much chasing power involved in politics.
Yeah. It's almost like we should see
actual diversity in politics andnot old white men representing

(11:18):
all of the people who exist. It's almost like we should put
people who can practice practical decision making in
positions of power. It's almost like some men are
too emotional to be politicians.They just weren't hugged enough.
Or maybe they were hugged too much.
You know, It's all. Yeah.

(11:40):
And I mean, that's where, you know, with conservatives or
liberals or what, you know, all the titles that we, that labels
adopt, the labels that we adopt.I'm like, listen, here's the
thing. I, I can't have a political
debate. I'm not, I that's not my strong

(12:02):
suit. Sure.
I can tell you who's a good person, though.
Yeah. And I can tell you who's not.
Yeah, and like, if that's not obvious at this point, if that's
not fucking obvious, then I thenit, I don't even know how to
start with you. I don't even know how to have a
conversation with you because that's just a morality thing in

(12:25):
my opinion. Morals and politics don't often
well, they don't. Hand in hand, not great.
But I'm not even talking about that.
I'm talking about just like the people in the world, the people
out on the streets, Yeah, you know, the people who want to
debate in my face about why Trump's a good person.

(12:46):
Well, he's not a good person. But exactly.
But I'm like, show you the person who believes in him.
Show me why you think that? Because I actually want to
understand. I want to have a conversation.
I want to understand why you putyour you get one vote and why
you gave that one vote. Well, to me.

(13:07):
Choosing to vote for him is not the same as believing he's a
good person. But yes and yes, and you got one
vote like I don't care. I don't care that he had Better
Business shenan, which he doesn't.
That's been proven over and over.

(13:27):
Again, he's actually really bad at business.
He's. Really bad at at business.
His numbers aren't making sense.He cannot have a coherent
sentence. He has proven that multiple
times. But I'm like cool.
So like the people who are like Oh well I believe in his
whatevers. Sure.
He's he's going to clean up the streets.
He's going to haven't. He's going to.

(13:49):
Well, yeah, of course he has, because he goes to elementary
school graduations and pulls parents out of the audience
while kids are getting their kindergarten diplomas and
deports the parents so that the kids have no one to go home to.
He's really cleaning up the streets tour.
He's doing a great job. Exactly.
He is not a good person. I don't care what his fucking
politics were. That's where I get all ragey and

(14:10):
I want to burn things down because I'm like, I can't have a
a political debate with you, butI can tell you what a good
person is and that's not. It.
And you backed him. Yeah.
Vote for somebody else who's gotcloser, you know, anything.
I mean, part of the problem is that there.
Wasn't, I mean, there wasn't anybody else, but I mean, like,

(14:31):
I mean, I'm, there's, there's the thing.
I got into a a conversation if you will.
Spirited. Yes, with a close friend of mine
about immigration and and and all of that.
Oh, and all the people that are like in the middle of an
incredibly broken immigration process who have been trying to

(14:54):
get trying to change their immigration status since 2005,
and the process is so fucking broken they can't move forward.
But because they've been in process for 20 years, they can
still get deported because our system is broken.
He was, he was saying like they're illegal, They're
illegal, right? Like they even if they're like
wherever they are in the process, they're still illegal.

(15:15):
They're here illegally. And and but this is also they
were saying this is what's making it hard.
And I said, so to me, that sounds not like the person's
problem. That sounds like the system's
problem. So, and instead of fucking going
into schools and stealing parents because we're fixing the
problem, quote UN quote. It's like because they're
illegal, fix the fucking problem, which is you're just

(15:36):
putting a a yucky dirty Wild Waves Band-Aid on this.
Oozing wound. That is the system so like stop
like what I. Yeah, I don't function.
Oh no, she broke down. No, she and this is.
Why? And This is why I'm having
political conversations. For me, it goes nowhere because,

(15:58):
and why I like I'm, I'm not getting it.
I'm not ignoring it, but it's sohard because I, I malfunction
because I'm like, at the end of the day, those things are not.
Good things. Yeah, that is not a net
positive. No.
Where is it in any way taking families, Ripping families
apart? Yeah.

(16:19):
Especially when when that's the party who pretends to be so
focused on protecting the child.That's some Disney villain shit.
Like and it's all about the child and the children.
Oh we do it for the children. Like that woman in Georgia who
has been brain dead since her fetus was 9 weeks old and they
kept her on life support until her body started decomposing so

(16:40):
they had to mutilate her dead body.
It's hard because I'm like don'trun away people listening to
this podcast, but like also. But also like, let's call it
what it is. She did not give birth.
She was not alive. She was not functioning.
She was, her body was functioning based on machines
keeping her body alive. Not not by her own choice or the

(17:02):
choice of anyone in her family or friends or people who knew
her or loved her or cared about that baby By the fucking
government. Who then forced doctors to go in
and surgically remove the baby, mutilate her dead body,
surgically remove the baby because her body was
decomposing, and then bring a 1 LB thirteen ounce baby out into

(17:23):
the world and hook it up to machines.
And who's paying those hospital bills, by the way?
Not the fucking government. It's bullshit.
And who's going to raise that baby now?
But but this party that claims to be all about the family and
all about the children and children first is making these
decisions. You're this is, this is what we

(17:45):
always talk about, right? Your words and your actions.
They're not lining up babes. They're not lining up babes.
I yeah, you want to. Talk about keeping drag Queens
away from children, you know. Who's never molested a kid?
Thank you. You know who's never shot
anybody? A fucking drag queen.
Yeah, yeah, we've got statistics, babe.

(18:08):
Statistics saying there's never maybe, I mean, you know, never,
never, never is a hard word to say, but like, it's not great.
Yeah, the the data on that is not on their side, let's just
say. Well, right.
And the argument that we want tokeep drag Queens away from
children because they're going to do, I don't know what they're
going to do to the children, brainwash them into putting on

(18:28):
wigs and. Makeup.
So like any musical theater performer.
But we're not going to keep men away from children who are 90.
What is it 9597% of the time? The fucking predator.
Yeah, yeah, the math ain't math in.
The math ain't math in it soundslike we have some unhealed.
Wounds. Yeah, it sounds like your mom

(18:49):
wasn't very nice to you when youwere little, and now you want to
take it out on everyone else. Yes, that's exactly and.
But I'm like, how is that not obvious?
Yeah, how? Is that not?
I mean it's. Not obvious to people who are in
the same position or people who are in the same mindset.
There's this amazing therapist. I know you've seen it.
I cannot remember his name rightnow on the gram.

(19:12):
And he was like, I'll have to find him, Jeffrey.
Oh oh, oh, he's a PNW guy, right?
Maybe long long face. Yes, yes.
But man, he did. He did.
He was like, it's how obvious itis about the narcissistic.
Like when you have such big daddy issues, you're always

(19:35):
going to be striving to prove your worth.
Yeah, you're always going to be.And then and and masking it with
this machismo. I am bigger.
Yeah, my Dick is so. Big my Dick is so big and girthy
it can knock down villages. That visual is gross.

(19:56):
What's funny is I imagined like a little Christmas nativity.
Well, we have to laugh, otherwise we cry because, like,
I mean, that going back to that pregnant lady, Yeah, I mean, I
couldn't. I read half, I read half of the

(20:18):
article about it. It's awful.
And I had to stop because I was like my whole, my whole inside
just seized up. Yeah.
Because it's just like how is this not off?
Like how is it not obvious? I'm short circuiting again
because I'm just I I don't know where to go and I feel the thing
about it is like I I want to know what to do.
Well, the people who support that are like, fervent.

(20:40):
Still, yes, but like, I want to hear from the people who voted
for Trempity Trump, who do regret it, who do like see it.
I'd like to know that if like for me, it's like a humanity
issue. I'm like, are we all still
digging our heels in or have anyof us like, if we had to go back

(21:00):
knowing what we know now, yeah. Would we go back and still make
that same choice? Sure.
I know that's like not even possible, but well, who knows.
Yeah. Is he doing all the things that
you hoped and dreamed he would do for you?
Can you afford your eggs? Yeah.
Is food cheaper? Because.
Is inflation down? Because I'm gonna tell you right

(21:21):
now, I go to Fred Meyer's. I think I've heard that about
you before. Yeah, you're gonna.
Get on to be a sponsor. We're going to be sponsored by
Fred Meyers. Oh my God, you could imagine.
And but I mean, I noticed in like ever since January, like
the amount of I buy the same shit, right?

(21:43):
I buy the same shit. And all of a sudden I was like,
why is my whole paycheck, my whole paycheck is going, yeah.
So like, I like turn to my conservative friends.
I'm like, is this the thing thatyou wanted?
And I asked that from the bottomof my heart.
I'm asking that not out of like spite or humor or anything.
I'm just like, is this what we were going for?
Yeah. I mean, that's the same

(22:05):
honestly. Like I'm, I am never looking for
a fight when I choose to talk about these things.
But it's like if we are ever going to get to a point where we
are willing to see one another'sside, it has to start somewhere,
right? And like, that's the only way
that this fucking insanity that is going on in our country is
going to change is if we are willing to see or hear the other

(22:28):
person's perspective and not just like blindly full sail,
whatever the fuck our quote UN quote party representative is
selling to us. Or, or the news, right, because
we all like what I think that's the other nasty caveat of it is
like those people are probably watching a Fox News, a more

(22:48):
conservative LED situation. So they're hearing what they
need to hear to keep believing in what they're hearing.
And they're looking at us and being like, oh, she only watches
Rachel Maddow, you know, like, and that's therefore you're only
going to believe what you believe, right?
And so, like, I think I literally said this last night,
I was like, I feel like I need to watch Fox News.
It's. Just for a SEC, just so that I

(23:11):
can, I can, so I can understand.Yeah, because it's coming yet
again from a place of wanting tounderstand.
And because I don't want to fight about it.
I don't want to keep debating about it.
I don't want to keep feeling like this.
But also the world is slowly disintegrating and so I'm like,

(23:35):
it's not even it's now it's moreimportant than the feelings of
those around me. And yet again, I feel hopeless.
I mean I think. And also no, I mean I do too.
I. Also think.
Because the the the gap continues to widen to where it's
a fucking Canyon. And to your point, the people

(23:56):
who want to watch Fox News live and breathe what they see on Fox
News and take it as gospel regardless of whether or not
it's been disproven. And honestly, the same thing
happens with CNN. It's both sides guys.
If you want to truly neutral media source Reuters.
Where's the Adfontis? Wait, let's see if I can find

(24:18):
it. OK, Adfontis media chart bias.
This is 2024 edition we've got Lord it is crammed up in there.
BBC. Well, that's crammed.
Up BBC still holding steady we've got.
BBC we've got. What are you looking at right?

(24:38):
Now Forbes, I'm looking at the Adfontis media bias chart.
OK. Don't pro publica now skews
slightly left. They used to be more in the
center. BBCABC Stars and stripes.
I don't know who that is, but like I said, Forbes, Newsweek,

(25:05):
MSN. I don't know if I mean, I guess
Adfontis puts a lot more time, money and energy into this
research than I do, so I. Like MSN.
I like MSN I Reuters is typically my go to.
I love a Reuters. Find find neutral media sources
you guys or you you go to Adfontis and see what their how

(25:27):
they have rated media outlets and then pick one for yourself.
But like, if you want truly neutral, unbiased media, find
it. Don't sit there with your Fox
News playing on TV all day long and then be like, the media is
so corrupt. If if you want a neutral media
source, if you want to complain about how corrupt the media is

(25:49):
while simultaneously letting FoxNews play in the background on
your TV all day long, hi, you'repart of the problem.
Go. Find probably the people that
follow us or listen to us. Are those people?
No, I mean that would be my guess.
Go find a neutral media source. If you care about unbiased
media, then you have to invest your time and energy and time,
money and energy into it. Yeah, you have to be willing to

(26:11):
then absorb unbiased media. What?
Inspired us to talk about this today.
I don't know. I was feeling sad about the
state of the world. I was feeling sad about the fact
that we bombed Iran. Oh, and then they, and then they
bombed us back. Shocking.
Things escalated. Oh my God.
What? So, you know, just a bunch of

(26:32):
Dicks measuring their Dicks and calling it leadership.
Yeah, which is rough. Yeah, it's not that.
It's not that we need the old white men to go.
I love some of them. Probably not any of the.
Politicians. But I just, I'm like, if you

(26:54):
want to live like that, then just stay in your lane.
Stop trying to affect everybody around you.
Stop trying to affect people of color.
Stop trying to affect trans lives.
Stop trying to affect the GL, GB, TQIA plus community.
Leave everyone the fuck alone please.
Yeah. Like, yeah, those people.
Understand that. You don't get it.
Like you don't understand they them, you don't understand, you

(27:18):
know, sleeping with the same gender, you don't understand
that. And that's OK.
Yeah, you don't have to. You don't have to.
That is, I've had a conversationwith somebody in my life who are
the I don't understand. Like it's fine.
I don't, they don't care. They're like, I don't care that
trans people like it's like I'm,I'm like, yes, live here, you
know, live your life. Great.

(27:40):
I don't understand. They them.
I cannot understand it. It is that is plural.
That is not that you're changingthe English language.
But in other languages, there are no gender assignments.
There are no pronouns for children.
In other languages, all childrenare referred to as they them.
But also, at the end of the day,it doesn't affect you.

(28:03):
Yeah, yeah, you. Don't have to be called they
them. You don't have to understand it.
You have to be respectful and empathetic to other people's
wants and needs. Yeah, period.
That's how I feel. Period.
Yeah, because like, I who cares?Yeah, conservatives touch your

(28:23):
life, right? You lift.
If you want to go to sleep to Fox News, that's fine.
But like, don't pretend. Come out into the world and be
like it's the only way to live and the rest needs to be burned
down because, like, fuck off, Jerry.
Like. No come.
On Jerry, I don't know the sorryJerry's of the world.
I don't know. It's Jerry's trash, Jerry or

(28:44):
Glenn, you know, like, so I mean, that's, that's I'm, that's
where I get up and I'm like, leave it alone.
Yeah, those were. Those are children.
Those are children. Those are children, those are
people just trying to live a life.
Leave them alone. Keep your your business, keep

(29:06):
your hands to yourself. Did you not learn it?
Did you not like the if you havenothing good to say, say nothing
at all kind of vibe? I mean no.
You didn't learn that. You didn't learn like stay in
your lane, Mary. Like you didn't learn nothing
not stay in your lane. Yeah, sorry, I really took us in

(29:27):
a wild. Wild ride there.
But you know, it's here's the thing, because I get it.
I mean, truly, I get it. Like when we thought when we
thought that the Democratic candidate was going to be
fucking, what's his name, Joe Biden again?
Oh, yeah. Like would I have?

(29:49):
Like that's the best you? Guys, would I have voted for him
over Trump? It I like.
It's hard for me to say out loud, but I think the answer is
probably yes. There was no other option.
But that's my point. So like on the flip side, I
understand why people are like, I voted for Trump because I
didn't have a fucking choice. Like I get that mindset because
I feel like I would have done the same on the opposite side.
Even though Joe Biden had no business spending another four

(30:11):
years running our country, no business whatsoever, he proved
the first time around that he wasn't so great.
But we are in a, in the quote UNquote democracy that we live in.
We get candidates handed to us by the conventions, by the
political conventions who put them up on a pedestal and then
allow us to vote, but they make every single decision up to that

(30:33):
point. So it's not really a democracy
if we can only pick one of two people, both of which were
handed to us without any of our own input.
Like people, people overwhelmingly expressed
disinterest in Trump, overwhelmingly expressed
disinterest in Biden. Yeah.
And yet both parties. Yeah, both parties were like,

(30:55):
this is the guy that's. It though, that's it.
That's the leader. No, it's the best we have.
No. You know who we need?
Jed Bartlett from West Wing. Come on, Chad, you know who we
need? I can't even think of his name
from Newsroom. Who's Jeff Daniels?
Jeff Daniels, What's this? Just Jeff Daniels.
We just need Jeff Daniels. Around the I mean, but honest

(31:20):
Martin, Martin Sheen still. Alive, my aunt.
Martin does head stands and yogaevery single day.
He is in his 80s and he's still like, crushing it.
Obsessed. I'm obsessed with him and he is
my president forever and always.It's funny because for somebody
who is, I was growing up, was not into politics.

(31:40):
I think it's just over forever in my life.
Been overwhelming. Sure.
Ever since I was a kid and it wasn't until probably Obama that
I got like kind of intrigued by it.
But I will say I have watched West Wing more times than I can

(32:02):
count from top to bottom. From top to bottom, it's like
how I used to fall asleep. And do I?
Need to watch it, huh? Do I need to watch it?
Oh my God. Yes, OK.
And Oh my God, yes, the acting alone, top notch.
Like, it's incredible. OK.
I have all ten. Well, I used to.
No, I still do. I think 10 DVD sets don't know

(32:25):
how to watch DVDs. Yeah, put in the PlayStation.
'Cause I have so I like used to collect DVDs like that was my
collection and I still have, youknow, those CDs that the.
Books of the binders, They're all the zip buyers.
Five of them that are just chockablock head to toe all
DVDs. And I used to go to like
Blockbuster and they'd have likethe $1.00 ones.

(32:46):
And in college I would just like.
Buy them up and I'd buy them up.Oh my God, I used.
To do that, I used to do that atthe Tower Records in Times
Square. Oh yeah.
Because they had everything for a dollar.
Yep. They had the dollar bins.
Yep, and I was poor, but that was also back at the time when I
would take my Diskman on the subway.
Oh yeah, and I had a messenger bag with my zippy CD.

(33:07):
The zippy binders with all my CD.
Isn't it fucking painful? Remember?
So painful, so heavy hang. Around our necks when we were I.
Would schlep a messenger bag with at least two of those CD
binders on the subway. Everywhere I went, why did I
need 2 fucking? Binders of C DS.
I couldn't just like pare it down to a couple.
It's so true. Depend on the you don't.

(33:28):
You don't know when you need Avril or you need Backstreet
Boys. Yeah, or Toad the Wet Sprocket.
You know who the fuck? What?
What? I just remember that band.
They had a band they had. Yeah, yeah, they had a.
Song on that they landed. On they had a song on the
friends. Soundtrack also another one that

(33:49):
I watched and I will say it doesn't live up to when I watch
it now. Oh, don't worry, they're still
touring. Who's touring?
Toad the Wet Sprocket Toad. The wet sprocket, if you're a
fan, we want to hear. From.
You if you're a listener. It was, it's like a very West

(34:13):
Coast band. And wait, where's what's the one
song that they, it's. I'm not going to find it anyway,
Point it. Oh, they're from Santa Barbara.
Of course they are. Of course they are.
Anyway, Yeah, the what a time. Anyway, West Wing Ted Bartlett
is my president and and I think you should watch it.

(34:36):
I actually started to rewatch itwhen when Trump came around the
second time to try to feel my feel better.
And it made me feel worse. Yeah.
Because how can you create this kind of like how How?
Yeah. Like, how are we here?
This is fiction. The thing that I'm watching is
fiction. And it's the world I actually

(34:56):
want to live in. And then we have.
Reality. Reality from a reality.
TV star Yeah, Who? Who nationally televises
meetings with leaders of other countries and lies to their
faces and berates them on camerafor ratings.
Yeah, that wasn't that was man, I couldn't watch that either.
I started to watch that with Zelensky.

(35:19):
Well, fucked up that name. Zelensky.
Zelensky Yeah. I am not hydrated enough to say
that name. And I got like a few minutes in
and I was like, I can't, I can't.
I can't. Like I can.
I know what's about to happen. And also like you are, you are
leaders. Your job is to set examples for
people. Yep, Yep.

(35:41):
And why is Elon there? Well, he's not anymore.
No, he's not anymore. Mom and dad are fighting.
I did enjoy that. That was fun to watch.
That was the reality TVI do wantto watch.
Yeah, more of that. What a time.
I just like, why can't we just be nice to each other?
Why can't we be friends? Oh, Will McAvoy?
That's who Jeff Daniels plays. Will McAvoy?
Will McAvoy. Also a fantastic show.

(36:03):
Yes, so good the writing. Come on, if Will McAvoy.
Do you know who wrote it? Yeah, Sorkin.
Yes, Wing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that.
Super clip Super super. Fast.
So like what is what happens in his brain all day?
I want to be inside of that. Man, for a while.
Cocaine. Well, well, sorry, Aaron, but

(36:24):
but then the news newsroom because he went away on The West
Wing for like a season when all the like cocaine came out.
Oh sure. And so he got axed and then the
show that season wasn't as good,and so they brought him back and
then it skyrocketed. Also like isn't.
It wild that a writer doing cocaine is grounds for

(36:47):
termination. And yet rape.
And the president can rape people and it doesn't fucking
matter 'cause. He has more money.
Gross. Man, this is a dark episode.
It's dark times. These are some dark times.
Yeah. I mean, luckily the sun is out
until 10:00 PM, so you know. We should put at least.

(37:08):
We don't have. A cleaner on this one being
like, if you're not in the mood,yeah.
For. If you're not in the mood to
talk about the sadness of our current state, yeah.
But at least. We don't have a seasonal
affective disorder. Not right now.
It's beautiful. I don't know.

(37:28):
It's one of those things where it's like people come to our
podcast to not think about it though.
Well, that's one of the reasons why we started our podcast,
right? Because it's like we just want a
a corner of good. Of course, yeah.
And to be fair, we this is not apolitical podcast.
It's not going to be a topic of conversation in every episode or

(37:49):
even most episodes or even many episodes ever again.
Yeah, like it's going to be. It's going to be peppered
throughout very sparingly because.
We also sit. We want seat of privilege.
We sit in a seat of hell of privilege.
We do, which needs to be acknowledged.
I think it needs to be acknowledged that we are two
white ladies. Yeah, 2 white ladies who, you

(38:11):
know, have roofs over our head, have food in our houses, you
know, Yeah, like and. Husbands who with the most
privilege, White, white men, husbands who have the most
privilege and to help us to provide.
So we are very privileged. And also I think it's important

(38:32):
to use the privilege that I haveto talk about the things that
matter to me. Yeah.
Want to help those who can't? Yeah, who are actively being
oppressed like that is just. That's bananas to me.
Which is, yeah, Which is still us, by the way, but on a much
smaller scale than than most others.

(38:53):
We just don't get to have autonomy over our own bodies.
But like, we don't get judged based on the color of our skin
or the language that we speak because we speak English.
Yeah. Yeah, I just feel sad now.
I just want to curl up and. I mean, because I don't know

(39:17):
where to. I mean, I don't know where to go
from there other than just like that.
That's my biggest I don't care about politics aside.
Like, treat humans like they're fucking humans.
I mean, that's the thing I don'tI.
Those people who are like slamming Bibles into people's
faces being like, that's not what Jesus did.
He loved people. Yeah, Period.
Yeah, it didn't matter. The dude hung out with 12 men K

(39:41):
for a long time and loved a prostitute.
A frosty prosty. Get up in here, bitch.
She's a sex worker. She's.
Sorry, well not back in the day,but you know that's what they
called him back in the day. But also like was she is a sex
worker? Was she a prostitute or was she
just a lady who liked to hang out with them?
Was she just a woman who? I think he took, he took.

(40:01):
Was she just AI do too? Was she just a woman who enjoyed
the pleasure of her own body andwas labeled and shamed for it?
Yes. No, I don't think that, no.
I mean, to be fair, I didn't read the fucking Bible.
I. Did and.
Like I read parts of it. I was in awanas.
I would get little badges for myawanas.

(40:23):
Best if I memorized Bible verses.
That's awanas. Awanas is like a like a Bible
camp. Oh never went like a after
school Bible. Camp.
But I did go to a Catholic school.
Catholic High School, Yeah. Where we got our nun fired.
Oh my class. Did you rebelled?
We did what she what did she do?She was too upset.

(40:43):
Yourself, I mean, she was prettyunkind and pretty old school.
She wasn't hitting kids, but shewas unkind to kids.
And yeah, we just didn't like how she was treating us, and so
we said something about it. That's very PNW and we were
just, which I love. Everybody was scared of her

(41:04):
until now. And now we're like, listen,
she's not very nice. And if you're proclaiming, I
mean, this is the whole thing, right?
She was not nice to people who she didn't like.
And it's like it doesn't. You don't then move your body,
Sister Sarah, like you don't need to be.
Here. Also, you're a teacher, you
don't get to pick and. Choose you teach.

(41:26):
I mean, this is the larger conversation, right?
It's like the same thing with parenting.
You don't get to pick and choosewhen you choose to teach your
child versus when you choose to punish them.
I mean, you can, and most parents do.
But like, your job as a parent is to be a teacher.
So teach. And if they're making mistakes
and if they're making what you perceive to be the wrong
decision, teach them. Teach them.

(41:50):
Oh my God. That's and that's where you had
the the big bigger conversation outside of that is like the
people who are the Magas of the world, right, are teaching hate.
Yeah. And then those kids are going to
go out and hate. I mean, we're seeing it, yes,
the Andrew Tate's of the world. Yeah, And I'm like, man, I don't

(42:16):
wanna send my kid out there. No, no.
And there's like little white kids, right?
Like they don't even have anything unfortunate or
fortunately right, fortunately to worry about, but also you.
Except for this male loneliness epidemic that everyone keeps
talking there's a male. Loneliness.
Oh, you didn't know that There'sso.
Many issues in the world I can'tkeep up with all of.

(42:38):
Them Tori men are lonely becausethey can't keep treating women
like garbage and then find a wife.
It's really hard. The hypocrisy.
Trash. If you're if, if you are a
lonely man, I'm gonna go ahead and just say go out there and
get some skills, get some, get some people skills.

(43:00):
Look in the mirror. Point the fingers back at
yourself, friend. Like get to know yourself.
Yeah, right. I mean, that's, that's, I mean,
that's the, at the end of the day, that's all we you can't do.
Yeah, get. Yeah, get.
To get your daddy issues under. Control.
Yeah, go to fucking therapy. Guess what?

(43:20):
Guys don't make fun of people who do go to therapy.
Yeah, take care of yourself. Taking care of your mind is part
of taking care of your body. We exercise for our body.
We do therapy. We meditate for our mind.
Your brain, by the way. Part of your body.
Part of your body, like a prettybig part of your body.
Like I know your skin is a largeis the largest organ in your

(43:40):
body, but like, your brain's pretty close behind.
That's right up there with the bladder.
So you might want to take care of it.
Just an idea. It's just an idea.
We're just. Throwing out spitballs.
Just spitballing, spitballing, just throwing shit at the wall.
Spaghetti style. What sticks?
Spaghetti. Legs.
Misogyny. No, let's write down being a

(44:03):
racist. Not cute.
Get out of here. Don't like it?
No. Even those like offhanded jokes
that used to be funny in the 90sdon't.
They're not anymore. No.
I mean, I still have some some moments and with certain people
in my life who will like make jokes and I love a ha ha moment.

(44:26):
Sure. But like, we don't say that's
gay anymore. But we don't say that's gay
anymore or be like, you know, and like, I mean, any of the
racist jokes you can possibly come up with, like right where
it's like it's jovial. It's not.
You look like the Dick. Yeah, you are a yucky person.
You're just showing everyone howyucky you are.
And now I feel comfortable beinglike no.

(44:50):
Yeah, get. Not anymore.
No. No more.
Let's like, get what the times, babe, Let's.
Get the. Smarter.
Let's get a little kinder. Get a little smarter.
Make. Better comedy.
Jokes, yeah. Don't offend me with those trash
jokes. Yeah, that's low hanging fruit,
Brian. That's not comedy anymore.
It's not comedy. We evolved from that.
We don't just make fun of peopleto find laughter yeah, which is

(45:12):
it was the vibe that's what I was saying like about friends
watching friends. Now it does not hold up because
a lot of it was gay shaming fat shaming yes yes I mean they had
the time 1 black woman on there the entire ten seasons right.
So like, it wasn't it was the times, but that was the times of
comedy, right? And the.
And it was. Bad comedy.

(45:33):
It wasn't. Good.
It wasn't. Good but I mean don't get me
started. I love of friends though.
I was the 7th friend in college,I was the 7th friend.
I loved them so hard. You.
Were there at Central Perk everymorning.
Every morning. And I said, where's Rachel?
Come on, Rach, she's where's. Gunther.
Again, but also that's, you know, but that's nostalgia.

(45:55):
But we can just like look back at that and be like, woof,
whoops, let's learn. Yeah, let's learn better because
you're allowed to make mistakes.I mean, This is why where I just
hope all the all the people withlike the Trumpies that are look
back at this moment and be like,whoops.
Yeah. If we survive it.
Also. Yeah.

(46:15):
And that's where I'm like, some mistakes are.
Irreversible. Irreversible.
Yeah. Some mistakes we don't get to
learn from because we did too much damage.
What? Did we not blisters?
Can't see me. I'm just stigulating so hard to
the past. So hard where I'm worried about
your shoulder pinch something. I know my rotator cuff's going

(46:35):
to pinch anyway, but yeah, yeah.Yeah, learn.
And also just like be. Taking people's rights away.
It's the it's the lack of self-awareness.
Also, like what makes you believe you get to make
decisions for the lives of otherpeople?
It's I will never forget early, early in the pandemic, my dad it

(47:05):
I'm like, do I talk about this? He's he's not a bad person.
My dad was talking about how he was, it was the herd immunity
message that kept getting parroted, right?
Like like, no, no quarantines, no masks, no vaccines, just herd
immunity. Just expose everyone to covert
as quickly as possible. We build herd immunity, we move

(47:26):
on with our lives. I was like, yeah, but that
requires people dying, dad. And he was like, and he was
like, yeah, but like, you know, people die.
It was the same bullshit. People die of the flu, People,
people. And I was like, well, I can't
think of anyone in my family that I would be willing to
sacrifice so that America can, quote, UN quote, go back to
normal. And he literally paused.

(47:47):
And he goes, oh, I didn't think about it that way.
And on the one hand, I wanted tograb him by the head and shake
him and be like, how do you not fucking think about that?
And on the other hand, I'm like,OK, great.
Here's a different perspective, my guy.
Let's stop thinking about ourselves and the economy.
Let's stop thinking about capitalism as the prime function
for decision making because the money doesn't fucking matter if

(48:12):
there are no people. Yeah, we are not like.
Yeah, there's your bumper sticker.
There's. Your bumper.
Sticker, Yeah. Fuck your money, Money doesn't
matter. If there's no people, and I
mean, yeah, well. Yeah, and that like, I mean into
the eugenics, it's like a whole different argument of like
survival of the fittest and. Here's our ASMR movement.

(48:39):
It's. Going to be, it's just the
pressure building in my it's going to we're releasing what
are. They called crock pots, no?
Geyser, old faithful. What's the cooking apparatus?
Pressure. Cooker.
Pressure cooker No. Smoker.

(49:03):
Microwave. You at least the valve the they
were so hot like 3 years ago. Air Fryer.
No, but those are great. I didn't sleep in them but I do
now. I do love it.
Makes every. It makes everything.
Cooks more chicken so fast and so.
Good. And so get some crispy on the
outside. Wow.

(49:24):
Oh wow. Wow, wow.
That's one of those things like my old manisms were like, Nah,
Nah, rubs Burton it. And then I did it for the first
because I was like overwhelmed. By the buttons I was like sure
and. Then, well, the cooking is
different the time and the. Cooking, yeah.
Yeah. If it doesn't sound and you have

(49:44):
to pick up a bag, yeah, well, how to do it with the air fryer
out, I'm like, no, what does that mean?
I shan't, No. And I can't Google it.
My fingers are broken. I refuse to goggle that.
Too many steps for my cooking. I get it, cooking should be
easy. You still can't find it.

(50:05):
Hold. What valve are we releasing?
Oh no, I can see it. What does it do?
Does it heat things? Now you can cook stuff in it.
Does it? It's like a crock pot, but it's
got pressure. But it's not a pressure.
Cooker. Maybe it's a pressure cooker.
I've been calling you something else this whole time.
A. Slow cooker.
It's a slow cooker thing. Well, I'm just trying to think

(50:27):
of things that are like crock pots.
I think it's. Pressure.
I think we're going to call it apressure cooker.
Call a friend. I'll take pressure cooker for
300. That's where my brain is.
Yeah, yes, that I was a pressurecooker just then.

(50:47):
But I mean, one of the goals forthis, and I'm manifesting, I'm
proclaiming it now, yeah, for this podcast, for everyone to
hear, is that I want us to grow enough so that we can get money
to give to yes to people who areless.
Privileged. Yeah.

(51:08):
To donate to. To donate causes that actually
impact change, yes. On a structural level, yeah.
And this the. People who are fighting because
there are a lot of people out there fighting good fights.
A lot of people. A lot.
And they are hella underfunded because they are not Elon Musk.
Yeah. And so I'm like, listen, I mean,

(51:30):
yeah, we're seeing the no kings.The No Kings rallies around the
country it gave me so. Much.
Donald Trump's birthday parade the.
Squeaky wheel parade. Four people.
That's what I called, that's what I call it, is the squeaky
wheel parade. All the, all the.
Yeah. Going down, that's just like I
need 'cause there's. That's not obvious.

(51:54):
Well, it didn't, you know, it was fake news.
All the images that we saw were fake news.
There were so many people there,we just didn't see the real
images, we just saw fake. News well and it rained so
people only love him if. It's not raining, so he has.
Fair weather friends. Those aren't your friends, babe.
Donald, those aren't friends. Donnie, my guy.

(52:14):
My guy, listen. I hope you listen to our
podcast. We hate you.
But we just think you need a hug.
But babe, we're praying for yoursoul, OK?
Yeah, I have a Bible I'll hit you in the face with.
I'll do it. I'll do it repeatedly.
Actually, there's a long ass line that would get right up in

(52:35):
behind me. Sure, you know.
But, and to be fair, I don't want to inflict violence.
Meeting violence with violence is how we got ourselves into
this stupid ass mess that we're in.
But yeah, I'd give him a hug. I'd say, hey, babe, you're OK.
You OK? I couldn't do that, but I
couldn't. I just lull him right to sleep.

(52:56):
The chokehold. Yeah.
Oh no. So hard.
I'll work out for this moment. Yeah, that's hard.
Yeah. That's what somebody said on on
The West Wing. There's a whole scene where
they're like, what do you believe in the death penalty?

(53:18):
And the character said, you know, what I would do is I would
he's like, I don't personally, he said.
But I would every night right before bed, I would have them
watch home videos of the people that they have hurt.
And then right before bed, somebody, a family member gets

(53:40):
cum in and punch them right in the face.
He's like, and I know there's a long list of people I'd be there
and maybe he doesn't say it right in the face, sure, but he
was like, that's that's what I would do because just taking
their life doesn't seems too easy.
No, it's an out. Yeah, and and also.
How do you punish someone for killing someone?

(54:01):
By killing them? It's the same conversation.
I was just who was just talking about this, about how the
punitive parenting approach thathad been so popular for so many
years of like, if your kid doesn't listen, just fucking hit
him. Yeah, right.
Or then it got to our generationand they were like, don't hate
your kids, just spank them. By the way, it's still hitting

(54:21):
your kids, you guys, but. You put put lipstick on a pig,
it's no fucking pig. Even if it's a paddle with holes
in it. You know what I'm?
Saying but the argument, and I love this comparison, is like
why is it that in our country for an adult to physically
assault another adult is a punishable crime?

(54:43):
They're equal. Someone who can defend
themselves and fight back is a is a punishable crime.
But for an adult to physically assault a child, if it is a
parent to child relationship, wesay that's parenting.
That's free.com. That's.
Fucking bananas. That's bananas.
Yeah, not great. Not great, no.
Like maybe we should stop being hypocritical all the fucking

(55:05):
time. It's the hypocrisy.
It's the hypocrisy that drives me.
It's the hypocrisy. Bananas.
It drives me bananas. It's why, like, Pat and I grew
up in religion. Yeah.
Like, I went to a Catholic school.
We used to go to church every Sunday.
Like, both he and I right weighted 2.
And he. It was the hypocrisy of it all.

(55:29):
Like being like, you're saying love thy neighbor.
Yeah, but only if they look likeyou.
Act like you sound like you. Yeah.
Because then you turn around andyou say to those people who
don't look like you, act like you and sound like you, you say
you can't sit with us. Yep.
You full on Mean Girls them. You can't sit with us.
You can't drink from my water fountain.
You. Can't.
You can't live with us. You can't live in this like it

(55:51):
is a. You can't live in the zip code.
USA and like the hypocrisy like it is.
Garbage. And same with with, you know,
abortion and all that. It's like, I mean, I think about
that all the time, where the wayI had a miscarriage, yeah,

(56:13):
because I had a miscarriage between my two boys, It was
there was no heartbeat, but there was a fetus inside of me.
And it was. And I couldn't.
Poisoning your body. And I couldn't get it out
naturally. Yep, right.
It wasn't going to just pass. Yep.
And so I had to take a pill, oneof the forms of abortion, right?

(56:37):
Yeah. And to help pass this otherwise,
like so to that person who's like abortion is blah blah blah,
I was like, so your option is medie, right because of this dead
thing floating around in my body.
Yeah, yeah. Because what's the other
alternative like to I I'm like, so I'm like, yeah, make it make

(56:58):
sense. Make it fucking make sense.
Or those atopic pregnancies. Pregnancies, yes, where like
that they would die, the woman would die.
Yeah, but the people who are like foaming at the mouth for
the anti abortion people who arefoaming at the mouth about it
don't give a fuck. They don't.
You cannot, you cannot genuinelycare about a woman's experience

(57:21):
and make that argument. Yeah.
And also like. Like, are you going to turn
around to your mom and be like, get back in the fucking kitchen,
Martha? I mean, Brenda maybe?
Kevin, no Kevin's. No, they can't have a trans mom.
They. Hate trans mom come.
On. They're just confused.
Same, that's right. Same, same with my miscarriage.

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And we were living in a very strict Muslim country, very
religious country where abortionwas banned.
And I had to fly to another country to have a DNC because I
miscarried. And for two weeks, my OBGYN was
like, oh, just, it'll pass naturally.

(58:03):
It'll pass naturally. It'll pass naturally.
I got a fever. I started getting rash all over
my body. I literally was like, my skin
was Gray. I was like, very clearly not.
Well, not. Even to talk about like the
mental disgust and like or not discuss, but like the trauma
trauma. Thank you.
Yeah, of like having this yeah thing.

(58:25):
And I kept going back. I kept going back and saying
like, I don't feel good, something feels wrong with my
body. And they would do an ultrasound
and oh, some of the tissue is still there and just wait, Just
wait. Just wait, just wait.
And fucking two weeks into just wait, Nick and I were like, it's
time to go to Singapore. It's we literally.
I mean, thank God I had a connection, A friend of a friend

(58:47):
of my friend Noel. Thank God for Noel.
Noel reached out to a friend whowas a boutique studio owner in
Singapore, who I also knew, but that woman had also had a
reproductive health issues. And so Noel reached out to her
and said, hey, we have an emergency, can you recommend
someone? And she was like, Oh my God,

(59:08):
I'll call right now. She called.
She was like, they can get you in tomorrow at 5 for the
console. They'll do the procedure.
It was literally a Thursday. We flew to Singapore on a
Friday, did the consult, had theDNC done on Saturday morning,
and went back to Indonesia on Sunday.
It was awful. Yikes.
Awful so. And Rosam was with us.
Oh yeah. Where would she go?

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Where would she? Go.
So we're not telling her what's going on, of course.
No, it's just like attention filled.
And also because of my. Trip to Singapore.
Long history with endometriosis.It was just like, oh, it's just
like a, you know, we're just going to get stuff taken care
of. It's going to be just like a
quick little beep boop. And then I was so sick and so

(59:51):
fatigued and like so devastated.And we're staying in this tiny
ass hotel room and I'm in so much pain.
That's the other thing. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. Well, I'll finish my yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you take the.
When you take almost bled out, Yeah, because like I took it and
nothing happened. Nothing there.

(01:00:12):
Like you'll probably have some spotting, you'll probably blah,
blah. I ended up back in the fucking
hospital, Yeah, because I was bleeding out, Yeah.
And and it was so painful. Yeah, there's you.
There's no way to explain because you have full on
contractions. When you take that, you have
full on contractions and nobody warns you.
They're like, oh, it's just going to be like period cramps.

(01:00:33):
It's not fucking period cramps. No, it is uterine.
Contractions, bloodbath in the middle of the night.
Yeah. God love Pat, who was just like,
whoa. And like woke up.
Oh, it was so bad. It was so I like blacked out.
I have blocked. I'm having just real time moment
of like, oh, I survived that good job tour.
Yeah, way to go. Babe, because same.

(01:00:54):
But that's The thing is like one.
It's also like something that happens on The Reg.
Yep. And so for a man to come in, any
man, oh. Yep.
We're going to burn it down. We're going to burn it down like
any man to come in and tell me and anything, anything.

(01:01:15):
About your body. Anything.
If I have a hangnail too long, you shut your mouth, Kevin.
Yeah, I'm gonna complain about it.
Yeah, I'm gonna kick it. Also, guess what motherfucker,
if you have literally never experienced something in your
own body, guess how many opinions you get to have about
it? Fucking.
Zero men. Zero.

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And like, we both have very traumatizing miscarriage
stories, but I don't believe that miscarriage is the only is
the only. Option.
Option or Yeah. I know what you're trying to.
Say the only like extenuating circumstance in this
conversation, Yeah. No.
You don't get to decide what a woman does with her body, ever.
You don't get to make that decision.

(01:01:56):
If she, if a woman wants to havean abortion, she gets to have a
fucking abortion. You don't get to force women
into childbirth and parenting while not also holding the man
accountable. It's the stupidest fucking thing
I have ever. And it's just a form of control,
right? It's a form of control.
It's a form of power. It's a form of Dick if.
That child's born into a family that cannot afford it.

(01:02:18):
Think of the quality of life that child's about.
To and then also those parents are then shamed for using
government services. They are forced to have children
and then shamed for using government services.
Oh, but it's OK because we actually just cut the budget for
a bunch of those. So like WIC is gone.
So like there aren't even any government services for them to
utilize anymore. So you must have this child.
You may not terminate it. And then also like, go fucking

(01:02:39):
figure it out. Go figure it out.
And if you're not smart enough to get a job, then we're going
to shame you for not being smartenough because everything is
elitist. And it's not my fault that
you're not smarter. And, and it's not that smart,
right? It's not.
It's education. Or that you have to become a sex
worker or sell drugs or. I mean, do any of those, you
know? Yeah, not great things, right?

(01:02:59):
I mean sex works different but like.
Yeah, I just, and I would even argue that some drug sales were
different. A lot of them are not.
A lot of them are very, very bad.
A lot of them. Are very very.
If it's. Synthetic.
Stay away. Stay away.
That fentanyl is coming for a lot of people.
So scary. Well anyway, that's so scary.
Should we just put all the sad topics?

(01:03:21):
In this Yeah, Yeah. Just cram them all in.
Just scary drugs, scary drugs, scary politics.
Yeah. Scary life.
Scary life. Scary.
Life. Scary life and it's just us
cheering our coffee mugs. You that felt sad?
Well, but also. Real tis the world we live in,

(01:03:45):
for better or for worse. And that's, I think why I, I, I
mean, I have had, you know, multiple incredibly traumatic
experiences at this point. I will stand on top of my
soapbox and scream loudly at anyone who generally looks in my
direction about it because I refuse to sit back and just

(01:04:05):
assume that my daughters are going to have the same
experience. I fucking refuse.
Yeah, honestly, that was a when I found out I was having the
second boy, I was like sad. And then I was relieved.
Yeah. Because I know what it feels
like to be a woman and. And I yet again sit in a seat of

(01:04:26):
privilege. Yep, where I can go to a doctor
and get help or I can go, you know, I have.
Most of the time. Well, most of the time, right?
That's also they just closed down the women's clinic right by
my house. Yep, I saw that.
Just closed it down I. Saw it in one of the birth work
groups that I was in. Everyone's like, where the fuck
are people going to deliver babies now?
South of Seattle, Yeah. Yeah, that's where I live.

(01:04:50):
And also closed down the Children's Hospital or the
children's wing. Yep.
So now because they're not so now every all the children have
to go to Children's Hospital which listen, I love children's.
I love me Seattle. Oh my gosh.
I will we will fundraise for them as well.
Sure because they have saved Sawyer so many times but and me

(01:05:11):
I'm alive because of Seattle Children's.
Yeah. My parents like to say that we
paid for the carpet. How for how often I was there.
It's. Very thoughtful of them.
Yeah, but they, but they, all the children are going to go
there and they're going to be flooded.
And those poor doctors and thosepoor providers, but also, I
mean, like my doctor, my RP pediatrician, there's two of

(01:05:36):
them and they're like it. And like, talk about how
overwhelming that's got to be for them.
Yes, and providers are, I know them, so burnt out right now.
Personally, he's my brother-in-law.
So like, I can't imagine, like, seeing everything kind of close
in. Yeah, right.
Yeah, you know. Looking around you as the walls
are literally closing in and just being like how do I, how do

(01:05:59):
I maintain? You can't even think about
forward progress because you literally are.
Science. I just like I I get CD.
Yeah, I mean, I get as mad as I get about everything else that
we're talking about because I'm just.
Like mad today. Make it fucking make sense.
It doesn't. But they'll spend more money to
go drop bombs in other countries, so it's fine and kill

(01:06:20):
their innocent children. And throw birthday parties for
himself. The squeaky wheel.
You know, it did give me hope seeing the Kings rally of like
13.1 million people. Yeah, around the country.
Around the country, showing up and saying that's it's not OK,
yeah, it's not OK. This is not anymore.
And my mom, my mom was in. No, no, she wasn't Savannah.

(01:06:46):
She was somewhere Spokane, maybe.
I don't know. Sure.
Somewhere. And she, she took her little
sides and, like, didn't feel safe because that was the other
thing, Like so much yuck had happened up until that point.
That same. I didn't feel safe, like going.
Yeah. And by myself, right.
Yeah. And so my mom couldn't, she did

(01:07:06):
not feel safe going by herself. And my dad was like, busy or
something. I can't remember what happened.
But she, like, sat on her sidewalk outside the house they
were staying in with her sides. Not a girl.
How cute are you? It's something, right?
It's something. Anything is something.
Anything is something. Anything is everything.
Nothing. It's nothing.
It's everything so. Hey, welcome to the podcast.

(01:07:27):
Welcome to. We usually don't talk about that
stuff like. This.
No, no. It was just so heavy on my heart
today and I mean it is most times, but I feel like we we
take advantage of the opportunity to talk about things
that are not so heavy on our hearts that are like medium
heavy or like medium light heavy.
But this was real heavy, like myflow.
Oh, mine's real heavy. This was much like my.

(01:07:47):
This was the endometriosis episode.
It's got the endometriosis flow.It's heavy and cloudy.
You're welcome. You're welcome.
Yeah. It's just, it's just hard times.
It's hard to be. I think optimism is a choice,
and sometimes I think it's an ignorant choice and sometimes I

(01:08:08):
think it's a very powerful choice.
And I think that you and I have the ability to toe the line of
using optimism as a tool really well.
But most of his podcast has onlyseen that side of us and not the
other side of us, because that other side of us is also real.
Those are just the conversationswe have and we're not recording.
But it's just a weird time in our world right now, and I think

(01:08:30):
it's important to talk about it and you know, for a moment, take
a moment to feel sad and dark and fucked up about it and then
and then carry on. But just like, I mean, it's,
it's like we say it's no feelings or bad feelings, no.
Right. It's important that you
acknowledge the feeling, yes, because it also meets you're
empathetic, you know, like. That you're means you're a

(01:08:51):
human. You're a caring human being.
You're not. Because I have been guilty of
like just putting my head down, right difference in my life
where I've just put my head downI'm.
Just like got to get. Through it, Let's get through
it. Early stages of parenthood.
I didn't give a French what was happening outside the house, you
know? But then there are other times

(01:09:15):
where it's like, OK, like you'repart of a community.
That's the community of, you know, being a human being in
this place, right? And like, you have to care.
I mean, it's nice to care. You should care, but you should
care. You should care.
But it's also very important to take care of yourself in those
times. Because I also know people that

(01:09:35):
go the opposite way, right? And their whole being is this
and they doom scroll and then they're depressed and then they
can't live their lives. And then also you get yourself
into like a vortex where there is no reality anymore.
Your reality is the doom scrolling and then you're and
then you're digesting a lot of false information.

(01:09:57):
The longer you spend on social media, the more false
information you're going to digest.
It's all bullshit. It's all bullshit.
Anybody can make a meme. Anybody can make a meme being
like Barack Obama ate a fucking raw live chicken right in front
of the cake and then 5 million people repost it.

(01:10:19):
Yeah, don't do that. No, all of it's all of it's
fake. So it's important to know your
sources. Yeah.
It's also important to take breaks and take care of
yourself. I mean, we are always preaching
on this podcast like take care of yourself.
First, Yeah. And when it comes to this and
social media and politics, it's just as important.
Oh my God, it's like I would. Slip that cup and then get back

(01:10:40):
out there. Yeah, right.
Show up at the rallies, support.If you have the funds to do it,
give, donate. Yeah, because.
Or donate your time. Or donate your time.
So many people need volunteers for so many different things.
Donate your time. Do, do.
Yeah. There's so much available.
Yeah, and take care of yourself.I was just thinking like, after

(01:11:02):
this episode is over, what am I going to do for self-care?
I'm going to wash. Off the yuck.
I think I'm going to go. What are you going to do?
Lay on my front lawn and touch grass.
Be in the grass, Stare at the blue sky.
Listen to the birds chirp. My version of grounding, right?
Take some deep breaths. Remember what's?

(01:11:22):
Real. Remember what's real.
Yeah, remember who's real. And remember what I'm fighting
for. I'm fighting for my family.
I'm fighting for myself. I am fighting for a better
future for humans. Not for our economy, not for
capitalism, for humans, for the people that matter.
We are not indentured servants to this country.

(01:11:44):
What did I? Was that the birthright?
Is that my birth certificate? Is that what that says?
Yeah, Indentured servant. I didn't read the fine print.
Well, good. I'm gonna go take care of myself
and then do the things that matter.
And probably. Eat a good meal.
Drink a lot of water, eat a goodmeal.

(01:12:05):
I'm. Gonna take a shower.
Hot shower. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was just thinking I'm gonna take a bath tonight.
It's a little hot to take a bath, but it is, it does stay
nice and chilly in our basement.So I might, you know, take a
take a little Epsom salt bath and then probably just like
snuggle my family tonight because it's hot.

(01:12:25):
I mean, we got to talk about it,right?
Better out than in, but it's hard.
It's hard to talk about it. It's hard to feel about it.
So, you know, that's my self-care.
What are you going to? Do I think I'm going to take a
shower? Why?
Yeah, I'm go home. Are you like a shower marinator?
No, OK. You can spend 45 minutes in the.

(01:12:45):
Shower No man, I. Like your birth twin?
Been my child. Good, it can spend 45, but she
took a nearly hour long shower. What, a couple weeks ago?
In there. Oh, she just will, like, zone
out and like, she'll just, like,put on a Taylor Swift album and
just, like, stand in the shower and sing through the whole
thing. Well, maybe that's what I need
to try. I mean, maybe that's because
even when I like do the the everything shower that is so hot

(01:13:09):
in social media, it's like I'm doing the everything shower.
Even when I do the everything, it's taking me like 15 jobs.
Like I what I will say is I havemy new favorite thing and this
is like, is like bringing my show on my little phone and or
I'll listen to a podcast. Yeah, in there.

(01:13:30):
I've also started to try like hair masks.
And so you have to like let those sit for a while, right?
So I'll just like sit, hang out.But no even when I was like no
I've never my showers last 15 the at Max I can get done I can
go in the shower wash my hair everything under 5 minutes.
That's impressive. I don't know who I'm trying to

(01:13:51):
impress, but that's just what I thought it was.
That's impressive. I was like, what are we doing?
Well, I'm dilly dally. I go on.
Pat's like standing there, arms crossed, head down, and he's
just like silence, just hitting the back of his head.
Yeah, yeah. No, it's.
Coming. It's warm.
I've tried. To do baths, you know, I like.

(01:14:13):
I liked him when I was pregnant.I liked him when I was sure.
Yeah. But then I overheat pretty
quick. Yeah.
I was like, because I'm not sitting in a Luke warm, you
know, it doesn't feel good. No.
And so but. And my belly was so big that I
was just like, find it underwater.
Yeah, yeah, like your hips and your spine are underwater and
then everything else is just like bulging out the.

(01:14:33):
Time. But I'm also so short that if I
lay down in my bathtub I could drown because my feet can't
touch. So what I would do is stick a,
the boys have like a little stool, right, to like wash their
hands and stuff. So I would say it's made of
plastic. So I put it in the tub so I'd
have my feet against that so I could lean because I just wanted

(01:14:54):
to lean, but I couldn't lean and.
Then you want to recline. I want to recline but it was a
slip and slide so I reclined right underneath.
It just like it. Was a mess so I often turned
sideways in my bathtub like a little kid.
But then my tits are just hanging out and just like OK,
well my undercarriage is happy but like now my shoulders are.

(01:15:14):
Cool. I got chilly shoulders.
My tots are chilly but that's what I had to do to not drowned
in my. Yeah, your pregnant tots were
just. Well, it's real time.
Mine would never. Mine never stayed under the
water because mine were. Huge, I think yours got.
Bigger than mine. Mine were gigantic.
I was, I was. There's a photo of me.

(01:15:35):
I did a photo shoot when I was pregnant with Rosalynn, like
right toward the end. And there's a photo of me
laying, laying on the floor, laying on my back.
And it's taken from above my head.
So it's just like my head, my just.
It's just like. Head, boobs, belly.
Such a cute concept. Love what they were going for
that photo. Each of my breasts individually

(01:15:57):
is are larger than my head. My head is small compared to.
One of my breasts. This is the the phases.
Of the moon I was like this is like whatever whoever whatever
like tall majestic woman you've done with this with in the past
who just like looked like created amazing it was meant to
be like really artistic you knowthe camera I was laying flat on

(01:16:18):
the floor and the camera was behind me so it gets like your
head the crown of my head like the shape of my you know my
silhouette of my face and then my.
Tits in your belly. That's my belly, Yeah.
Oh, and I think my legs were bent, so then my knee.
But also my legs are so short and my belly was so big.
It was like giant tits, giant belly.
And then like little kneecaps. That's a unique.

(01:16:42):
It's really special. I can see how it was beautiful
with someone with. A different flat.
Now we're going to put it. On these, I got to find it.
I got to find it. It's you got to put it on there.
It's somewhere. I'm sure it is.
I look back at my photos, my pregnancy photos with thin and
man, you can just tell it was 2017.
Like the photos were just kind of like dated, yeah, what am I
wearing? Like, I was like, why am I

(01:17:03):
wearing that? I had like one of those like
chokers, like from the 90s chokers.
In 2017. Yeah, because they were like hot
for a SEC. They're coming back and then
Danielle who took oh, that's nota good.
I've never seen that one before.It's fine.
OK Nick will do that. Great.
Unless it's like it's fine and audition.

(01:17:23):
No worries. Hi, got to wrap it up.
Anyway, she was like, I think weshould take that off because
like in photos, that's not goingto track and you're going to
look like a floating head. And I was like, oh, OK.
Which they got smart. Thank you, Danielle.
There are a few still with that on, but like, it's, they're
cute. I mean, they're cute, but I was
just like, what am I wearing? And I love the ones of Sawyer.

(01:17:44):
We're like in the some kind of garden and it's, you know,
majestic. But if you're scared, you're not
alone. If you're scared, you're not
alone. And if this episode made it,
made you angry, I genuinely wantto hear about it.
I genuinely want to hear your perspective.
I do not believe in a world where there is only one right
perspective. If anything about this episode

(01:18:04):
upset you, I want to know. Honestly, I don't.
I'm not looking for a fight. I would love to have a healthy
discussion where we can discuss having different points of view
and perspectives and understand one another, or at least attempt
to. You're one of our listeners in
Indonesia, Yeah. What do you think about America

(01:18:27):
right now? Oh my God, I mean the we lived
in Indo for the first Trump presidency and I can tell you
what they thought about America.No, like you guys did it again.
I mean, they thought it was hilarious and I'm like, I'm so
glad this is funny for you because it's not your country.
But like, this is my actual reality.
Yeah. And also, you know, they live in
Indonesia. Their current president is not a

(01:18:48):
good guy either. So, you know, we're all on the
struggle bus. Well, so, but I would love to
hear all yeah, so places that you can send thoughts, notes,
feedback. It's nothing.
It's [e-mail] Facebook or Instagram.

(01:19:09):
It's nothing. It's everything pod.
Those are the places. Those are the places.
Where? If you know us, text us.
Yeah, DM us. And if you liked it, share it.
And if you didn't like it, shareit anyway and.
If you didn't like it, share it.Yeah, share it and be like these
girls are so stupid these. Stupid, privileged white
bastards are out there slandering our leader.

(01:19:32):
I don't know. I don't either.
But we love that you're here. Thanks for listening.
Yeah, thanks for listening and go do some self-care after this.
Take a moment, touch, touch grass, take.
Do some deep breathing, meditate.
I don't know, do something to make your heart feel even a
little bit better. And see you next Tuesday.

(01:19:55):
Bye hopefully, please.