E17 Carbs, Curves, and Chaos: A Nutritional Love Story

We're diving into the delicious chaos of healthy eating for your body type, fitness goals, and real-life impact. From carbs and macros to menopause and mood swings, we unpack why nutrition isn’t one-size-fits-all — and why diet culture can kindly see itself out. Whether you're navigating weight loss, muscle gain, hormone shifts, or just trying to feel good in your skin, we’re breaking it down with zero-guilt laughs, love, and a side of extra salty fries.

Episode Transcript

(00:04):
Great look at that. Come on Stitch.
Wow, Stitch saves the day. Have you seen that movie yet?
No. I don't know if I it's the only
live action that I think I wouldever be slightly and I don't, I
was not a Lilo and Stitch fan, but I feel like it's the only
one that's appropriate to have live action.

(00:26):
Yeah, I haven't watched any of the live.
Action. I watched probably The Lion King
and it was not. No it.
Was not. It just made me uncomfy.
I was like, why are we doing this?
I'm watching. Fake real lions kill each other,
yeah, but watch the Discovery Channel, yeah?
Nat Geo has a whole series aboutit.
I like all. I thought it was about Ken Burns

(00:49):
and I was like, I think he just has baseball, but I don't know
anyway. Yeah, but everyone says they cry
when they watch it, so just prepare yourself with tissues.
Oh, the lilo and stitch. Yeah, not Ken Burns.
Ken Burns. Does not like a time change, but
yeah. There's that whole thing.
Hi, guys. Hi, I'm Tori, I'm Kimberly and

(01:13):
you're listening to It's nothing, It's everything.
Thanks for being here. Yeah, what?
She said. Oh, we're talking about the
comments we got. Yes, yes.
I was like, where did we? Are we two-part series on your
inner voice and being kind to yourself and giving your inner

(01:34):
voice a little TLC? And we got some really fun
feedback on that one. So we wanted to kick this one
off by sharing. The most feedback we've gotten,
most comments we've gotten. Yeah, I think it could be.
And actually my mother. Thanks for listening last.
She had a lot to say. She was like, you should.
We could do like, inner dialogueabout so many topics.

(01:57):
Yeah. Because it is like how you speak
to yourself. There's like my work self.
There's my family self. There's my fitness self.
There's my theater self. There's my just like being a
woman in this space self. There's, I mean, so many of
them. We could.
I mean, we could talk about it forever, forever, which we
basically do. I mean, we talk, I mean, that's

(02:18):
really the umbrella that our podcast is about.
I would, I would say is just like, how can we live a better
life by really starting to be nicer to ourselves?
So Amen. So here's some tips and tricks
for from the innies of the world.
Come on, innies, come on, innies.
We will make Were we making buttons or stickers?

(02:41):
I like a button. I don't know.
Stickers go on a water. Stickers are sick.
It's. True buttons are very like.
They're so retro now. But also cathartic when you make
them and they go and you're just.
It really is. There's something very
satisfying about like this, yeah.
But on Instagram I put up a which is it's nothing, it's

(03:01):
everything pod. Check it out on a story.
I asked for people's, you know, and some of the ones we got were
about speaking positive to ourselves.
Yeah. OK, so these are the ones just
from Instagram. We got some from the gram.
Yes, yeah, the first one, sometimes it's as simple as
telling myself I'm OK, that you're going to be OK.

(03:24):
It is funny. It's not.
I mean, it's not funny, but it is funny how simple that
actually is. And yet, like when you remind
yourself of that in real time, what a what a significant impact
it can make. I think she's just a difference
between she says quote, you're going to be OK, End Quote, which
is different than I'm OK. That's true 'cause sometimes

(03:45):
you're not OK. 'Cause sometimes you're not OK.
That's OK, Yeah. And it's that this too shall
pass idea. It's like, yeah, I'm not OK
right now, but I know it's gonnabe OK.
I'm gonna be OK. Yeah, it's like you said, I
think in the episode. I've never not been OK.
Yeah, I've never not pulled myself out.
Yeah. Of the darkness.
Love that. That's from Isabella Bloom.

(04:07):
Just. The hottest burlesque.
I know this as a new one. Deep breaths and listening to
books or podcasts. Deep breaths are always good.
But, and these are the these arein, we've sprinkled it
throughout the tchotchkes, right?
Those are the books and the podcast, the things that you

(04:28):
like sprinkle in your life as tips and tricks.
Yeah, you know the the content that you surround yourself with.
Well, often, yeah, I'm listeningto a I'm listening to an audio
book actually, like when I'm on my little runs and it's called I
'cause I highly recommend it. Let me find it The Deep Magic of

(04:49):
Daily Consistency by by Robin Sharma.
OK, Anyway, but he talks about he talks about that he's this
part of consistency is also surrounding the idea of what you
want is sprinkling that also throughout your life.

(05:14):
So if it's like, I want to be, this is the idea of who I want
to be, it's like then put those tools throughout your life,
right? Listen to the things that
inspire you to keep going. Read the things that inspire you
to keep going. Be around the people who are
already doing the thing that truly inspires you.
Yeah, because that's subtype, that's subconscious messaging
that you deliver to yourself then becomes how you communicate

(05:36):
to yourself and then outwardly to other people, and then how
you view the world. And it just becomes it's like
the actual scientific explanation for manifesting.
Yeah. Like if you commit your brain to
it on a daily basis, you will impact positive change.
It's like that whole idea of like dressing for the job you

(05:57):
want, not the job you have, which, you know, there's a fine
line, there's a. Fine line, yeah, no.
No, here we are. Obviously, I forgot to wear my
CEO suit today. I don't want to be ACEO.
Also look like a hippie art instructor right now.
Oh. So you did it.
You dressed for the job you wanted.
I can't do shit with art and what are you talking about?

(06:19):
I bet you could. Become a mean.
Popsicle structure, sculpture, Popsicles and I'm.
Judy. Yeah, that's me.
Yes and yes. And next, next, next, next.
This one we definitely hit on isthat I pretend I'm speaking to
my dearest friend. Yeah, man, the value of that I

(06:39):
that's, that's one of the ones that I struggle with the most.
Oh, why? Because I will argue with myself
about it. That does not surprise me,
literally one vet that does not surprise me at all that you're
like you are doing great. And then other Kimberly comes in
and says, are you? Well, yes, I am.

(07:00):
Are you though? No, no, it'll, it'll start out
with the negative, right? Like what the fuck?
And really? And then like, OK, is that how
you would talk to Tori and then be like, well, I'm not talking
to Tori. So like, that's not why how I
would talk to Tori, but I'm not talking to Tori.
I do that too. I actually do that too, where
I'm like, yeah, but you should know better.
Yeah, but just be better. Don't talk about it.
Be about it, Tor. And which is, I think that's the

(07:23):
hardest. I mean, that's the hardest part.
Yeah. And it also feels stupid, right?
When you first do it, you're like that's.
Silly. Well, and also it's like this
idea that I can't control what you do.
So I can always speak to you from a place of kindness because
at the end of the day, your actions are, are not my
responsibility. They're out of my hands.
But at the same time, like I canalso speak with kindness to
people whose actions are in my control.

(07:47):
Like, it doesn't mean that because because my actions are
within my own control that that I have to be an asshole to
myself. Yeah, but like, why is it?
Why is that so hard for me to reconcile?
I mean, and that's like, there are no failures.
There's only lessons. Yeah, right.
And that goes to down to the minuscule thing of, like, all I

(08:07):
thought about was like with the milk I put in my coffee, it's
like, I wanted to try oat milk, but I only had this, damn it be
mean to myself about it. Or it could be like, you know
what, Tor, we're going to get itnext time.
Yeah, it's just Tuesday. It's just Tuesday had 2%.
So tomorrow you'll stop by the store.
Stop. Pooping.
You'll get some oat milk. I don't know, I don't have that

(08:28):
problem but oh that's nice. I know, but I know some people
do. But highly recommend talking to
yourself. Yes, in a positive way.
Kindly, she deserves it, or he. Yeah.
Or they then. Yeah.
I named critical inner voices. I called them by name.
Pat their head. Put them back to sleep.

(08:50):
Put them back to sleep. Oh.
Murder. It's a you put a bag over their
head. Suffocate you to death, bitch.
I like that. I like to be.
Fair. I think there are some inner
voices that need. Suffocating.
That need suffocation and that need to literally be put to
death. I agree because I mean think of

(09:11):
those like dark times in your life and you're like, how
unnecessary was some of that because of my own scenario.
Creation. Yeah.
And that those need, yeah, that need strangulation. 100% remove
the oxygen, put the fire out, take the oxygen away.
This is so dark. What I like about that though,

(09:32):
she says pat him on the head andput him back to sleep.
Is that that? Feels.
Tender. It does feel tender and it also
frames it as though like those negative voices are the
children, right? It's the two year.
It's a toddler throwing a tantrum.
It's not your inner adult who should be driving the ship.
It's your inner child who needs something.
So you're fine. Go back to sleep.

(09:53):
That's nice. Yeah, or murder it.
Not your inner child, just. No, they're still trying to work
through their own shit. Yeah, this also came from the
gram. What I tell myself in the
mirror. My power and positivity is so
much bigger than I am. I am blessed with the
responsibility to share it with everyone I interact with.

(10:17):
My power and positivity is so much bigger than I am.
Yeah. I love that.
That's my responsibility. Yeah, it's my and I know this
person and their their positivity is radiant.
And so I can only imagine when it's not one, how yucky that

(10:39):
feels. And the judgement we would put
on ourselves if we're like, I'm not, you know, doing my best or
whatever. And some days we're allowed to
have those days. Yeah, I'm sure she's not like
that 100% of the time. But yeah, the responsibility to
share with everyone I interact with.
Yeah, actually I was in the shower today knowing that we
were going to kind of talk aboutthis.

(11:00):
I was like, what what are other things that I say to myself?
And the thing that I like didn'tbring up on the podcast the
first time was like, I literallymy mantra, one of my mantras is
I'm the fucking light. Like and it's it's, it's
aggressive, but also so am I sometimes.
But it's like, that's all in my control, right?

(11:21):
That's like the choose happiness.
It's like I am the fucking light.
Yeah, one of my favorite like memes.
God, I have to find it 'cause I'm gonna butcher it.
But it was essentially about, no, I have to find it.
I have to find it because it's too good.
But it's about, it's essentiallythat.
It's just like if you wanna feellight, be the light.

(11:43):
Yeah, yeah. Be in control of it.
Yeah, when you feel darkness, use your light.
Go find it. Dig deep.
Find that shit freak flag block.Find that booch.
Just. Burn it down.
Amazing. This one.
This one came from another amazing listener and yet again,

(12:04):
I just want to say thank you to those people who interacted and
sent us stuff. I love it so much because some
of them have been so great and great tools to lean on.
This one was delightful. It's a little long, but we're
going to get through it. That's number one.
To get around negative self talk.
I focus on experiencing my body from the inside.

(12:28):
And they go to say once on the beach in quiet, was so immersed
in the feeling of the sun and the breeze and the mist off the
water and noticed how I wasn't looking at myself from the
outside. I have never felt more wonderful
in my body than that moment. I'm trying to recapture that
feeling as often as possible. Gave me goosebumps.

(12:48):
Yeah, I mean, and there's more, but we're going to hit that.
We're I'll talk about them in a second.
But I mean, just like that, looking at your life,
experiencing those like really magical moments.
Well, that's also truly being present.
You can't be present if you're looking at yourself in a
swimsuit and going, Oh my God, Ilook horrible and Oh my God,
that person over there is going to judge me and Oh my God, that

(13:09):
seagull's going to judge me and like.
Get out of here. None of that is being present.
That's truly being present and going.
The warm sun on my skin feels amazing.
That light breeze is keeping me cool.
My body feels relaxed. My stress levels are low.
The sound of the ocean is soothing me.
I mean that experience every time over self judgement every

(13:30):
time. Yeah, Good.
That's a good one. That was one of the big ones
that hit me. I was just like thinking of a
moment in my life where I was like, I can get back to that
feeling. Yeah.
Not the not necessarily the the,you know, going to Kauai and sit
on a beach all the time, but like, yeah, I can recapture that
feeling. Same person says wear clothes

(13:52):
that feel good. I spent so many years trying to
wear the smallest size possible that I didn't realize how
uncomfortable my clothes were until I stopped doing that.
Allowing my body to feel good instead of constricted makes a
huge difference. So true.
So. True, it is.
So I've noticed that we're all like put clothes on and they

(14:12):
feel too tight in like literallyone spot of my body and it ruins
my mood. Yeah, Oh, absolutely makes you
on edge 'cause you're just uncomfortable.
Yeah, and nobody knows this. What's funny is like nobody
actually cares about the size. No, I had a roommate in college.
Who? Yeah, your body is still the
size that it is, regardless of the number on the tag of your

(14:34):
clothes. Well, and nobody's going around
to check in, you know, no one's like, let me see your tag, you
know, like nobody does that. I remember having a roommate in
college who was like, I cannot wear, I can't buy bigger pants.
I was like, why not? It's just like, because then I
will have bigger pants and I will know that.

(14:54):
And I'm like. But if your body requires bigger
pants. But are you comfortable?
Because those pants do not look comfortable.
Yeah. And which is already felt weird
as a friend being like, girl, you got muffin.
Let's just nod. Let's just nod.
Let your sides breathe. And that feels yucky.
But also, I was in my truth telling phase.

(15:17):
And I was just like, but I don'tcare what?
I don't look at your pants. I'm like, oh, my God.
Yeah. It's a size 14.
Yeah, cannot be friends. No, I've never done that in my
life. Oh I just realized if you go up
a pant size you don't qualify tobe my to be my friend anymore.
So I just want my friends to be.Comfortable, yeah, same with me.

(15:38):
I would just want comfortable tocomfy.
Comfy. Close, yeah.
Well, and not only that, but if your clothes are too tight, if
your pants are too tight, you guys don't do that to your
pelvic floor. Don't do it.
Your pelvic floor deserves more.Don't do that.
Your pelvic floor deserves space.
She got to breathe, she got to move with your diaphragm.
Every time your diaphragm moves,which is every time you take a

(15:58):
breath, your pelvic floor moves also or should.
But if you have a, if you got tight pants, a tight belt, your
pelvic floor can't move with your diaphragm.
Then the pressure gets displaced.
And then we have things like incontinence and.
So same thing with leggings, like really tight compression
leggings. If the waist is really tight,
because basically when you inhale and your diaphragm

(16:21):
extends to draw air into your lungs, your pelvic floor should
also extend. But if you have such a tight
waist, tight restriction around your waistline, that extension
from the diaphragm cannot translate down into your pelvic
floor because all of your fascia, muscle tissue, etcetera,
is disrupted by the restriction around your waistline that your

(16:42):
pelvic floor can no longer move with your diaphragm.
And so it then it gets stuck andthen they're not working
together. And then we have things like
incontinence, pain with penetration, Constipation,
urinary incontinence, urinary frequency, all kinds of things.
Let that post breathe. Let it breathe.

(17:03):
Also you 'cause it affects your libido.
Oh man, let me tell you, tight panel fuck it up every time.
No. Do I want to like, yeah, let's
get sexy. And I'm like, stripping like.
Repeat myself out of this. Yes.
It's like watching the sausage be unnamed, you know what I'm
saying? And I said, Nah, that's like
when spank, like Spanx one. I love a spank sometimes, but

(17:27):
sometimes I really don't. Yeah.
And getting out of a spank though is so unattractive.
It's like a cartoon. It's like something that I
imagine you would see like on SpongeBob where it's just like
you pee all the spanks down and then you just like like.
When you cut a sausage, you justboil it.
Yeah, that's me coming out of spank anyway.

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OK, the last last one. When the negative talk comes in,
I've stopped telling myself thatI'm a bad feminist for feeling
this way, and instead take a moment to actually acknowledge
and offer comfort to myself. I tell myself that it's so hard
to have been the recipient of that kind of messaging before I
try to move to replace it with something else.

(18:10):
That's so good. Also the good versus bad.
Are you a good feminist or a badfeminist?
Are you a good person or bad person?
Like there's no the well, good person versus bad person is
maybe a slightly different conversation.
But like there is no good and bad unless you look at life
through a punitive lens, which alot of us were taught to, right?
But like good and bad is not relevant.
No. Because every day is different

(18:32):
and every situation that you're in is different.
And on the days that you struggle, that doesn't make you
bad. It just means you're a person
who's struggling. Like Doctor Becky says, you're a
good kid having a hard time. God bless her.
I know changing the world, changing the future leaders of
America by changing their parents.
Like honestly, she's she's just she's full Pixar in the humans

(18:56):
of the parents of the world. Yeah, she's.
Teaching us how she's re parenting our inner children
while also giving us the tools to parent our Come on Doctor
Becky come. On sponsored by we're not maybe
one day we'll we're going to manifest that we talk about kids
and ourselves and how we are mean to ourselves.

(19:16):
It's true anyway, so yet again, thank you for for those people
who reached out. It does make a huge difference
for us. Yeah, yeah.
It feels like we're not alone. Sometimes it feels like we're
just talking into the abyss. What which we are.
So it's nice to know there are actually people listening.
Thanks guys. Way to go.

(19:38):
I love it. Me too.
Perfection. What are we?
Talking about today. We're talking about.
We oh wait, I did want to say one thing about Lord now I
forgot it. I was, I, I bookmarked it in my
brain when we were talking earlier and that left it was
about your inner voice, being kind to yourself.

(20:00):
It was about Roslyn. I just took her this week to
jazz, a jazz camp in Port Townsend.
It's her first sleep away. And it is all, well, not all
ages, I think it's 14 plus, but like 14 up to whatever.
So it is a yes, but different housing.

(20:21):
They had like all of the the under 18 housing is in one
building and then all the 18 pluses like on another part of
the it's an it's an old decommissioned military base.
Of course it is. So they're like sleeping in the
barracks. Yes.
It's very cool though. It's beautiful.
And this was her first sleepawaycamp because, you know, in 1st

(20:42):
and 2nd grade in Indonesia, we were not going to send her to
sleepaway camp. And then we came back and we
only had one year before the pandemic.
And so then she never did sleep away camp.
And then she was in shows. So at 15, she's doing it for the
first time. And she was very nervous.
Very nervous. Yeah.
And so I drove her out there. There was a shuttle from Seatac

(21:03):
because a lot of people fly in. There's like a lot of
international people. That attend yeah wow, it's big
yeah there's a. 170 it was like for her schoolers, people who
attend no international and the faculty are all like legit jazz
musicians. Hell yeah, yeah, it's so cool.
And she's going for voice, not for trumpet.
So yeah, she better she don't crash it.

(21:26):
But like, she was nervous because she's never stayed away.
Like the only time she's ever slept away from home is when
she's like at a sleepover with friends.
So she's like in a dorm room by herself, having to, like, be
fully responsible for herself. Yeah.
She was super nervous. And then also on top of that,
oh, that's what it was, the imposter syndrome, the, like, I
don't deserve to be here. She's like, looking around at

(21:47):
these. Like, there was this man that
was checking in next to us who was like, I don't know, in his
70s. And it was clear that he had
gone for years. And he was just like, he just
had the 100% PNW jazz musician vibe, just like white hair
swagger. Yeah, just like fully unbuttoned
short sleeve button up with likesome the khakis.
And he was just like there to play his saxophone and live his

(22:10):
best life. And then there are all of these,
like, older kids who I don't know.
She also, I think gets intimidated by tall people, but
like as we're as we. Do, babe.
As we're getting her settled in her dorm room, there are people
who are just like having a jam session during orientation or
not orientation, but during registration.

(22:32):
And so you're just like walking around this campus and there's
just like jazz music everywhere.And she was like, I mean, I
watched her eyes get dilated. Yeah, she was like.
She was like, she's like, I shouldn't be here.
I don't belong here. I can't even have a class
session. Yeah, I'm gonna embarrass
myself. I'm gonna, you know, just like,
all of the worst anxieties. And I was like, yeah, but

(22:55):
everyone had to audition to be here, right?
And she was like, yeah. And I was like, including you,
right? And she was like, yeah.
And I was like, so do you think that they just like, did you a
favor, but all the rest of thesepeople are legit or like, what's
the like, help me get to the root of the imposter syndrome.
And she's like, I don't know howto read music.

(23:16):
I don't know, 'cause they for the for the audition, she had to
record, she had to record jazz scales.
And like, what was the other thing she had to do?
I don't know. Anyway, point is, she was very
intimidated by just by the audition materials.
So by the time she got there andthen there were all of these
people there. And like, I'm sure it's
intimidating to seeing international students come in.

(23:37):
And she's like, that kid just flew all the way from Japan to
come here. Like, why am I here?
And so that's why I was like, what is the root of your, what
is the what is, why has? Why is your brain taking in that
direction? I'm like, what's the root of it?
And she didn't tell me outwardly, but I just asked
enough questions that like at one, at a certain point, she
finally was like, because I said, do you want to go home?

(23:58):
Like you can't. If you want to come, if you want
to turn around and go home, that's always an option.
And she was like, no, I don't want to go home.
And I was like, OK, well, you know, if you change your mind in
two days, call me. And.
How long has it? Figured out it's a week.
That's also a really long time. That's not a sleepover.
It's yeah, it's a long. It's a full week and it's 2 1/2

(24:18):
hours from here. So like, you know, I get, I get
why she's intimidated, but as wetalked through it and as I asked
more questions, just to like tryto understand where her head was
at, she it was like, I don't know what, I don't know what she
how she was able to transform her perspective in that
conversation. But by the end of it, she was
like, no, I belong here. I'm going to stay, I'm going to

(24:39):
be, I should be here. And I was like, great, you did
it. I don't know how, I guess.
I guess that's the the whole point of my story is like, I
don't somehow sometimes you do it without knowing how, you
just. Well, I think also when you get,
I think it points out the fact that when instead of judgement,
get curious. Yeah, right.
If you just keep asking questions, I talk, we talk about
that all in time and or I do in class where I'm like, if

(25:03):
something's not happening physically in your body, let's
instead of like, God, I wish I was better at this or why can't
I do that? And they can do that.
Get curious. I believe that every person can
do every posture that's ever been done.
Yeah, it might look different and you might have to get get
there a different way. Yeah, But it's your posture.

(25:24):
It's not a posture that needs tobe hit perfectly by all people.
Well. There's no perfect, right?
Exactly. And so like, let's get curious
and ask questions. Be like, oh, that hurts because,
you know, I'm physically built different or, you know, all the
things I don't trust that I don't, you know, get curious
instead of judgmental because you'll find the answers.

(25:48):
I mean, she did that and she's like, oh, that's a good .0.
That's a good point. Yeah, and she and she really
thought about it. I don't, I don't.
I didn't feel like she was brushing me off at any point.
I feel like she was really. I mean she was annoyed in the
beginning for sure sure, but butI feel like she was really
considering. My questions.
Right, not surprising. And then the more I feel like

(26:10):
the more she really looked around through a neutral,
neutral lens instead of looking around as though, like, she is
beneath everyone. Yeah.
And recognizing that like, the girl across from the hall from
her is the same age as her. And like, there are people here.
There are other people here who are also young and have.
Never been here. Before and that's.
Going to be so good. Yeah, I'm so excited to see who

(26:32):
she comes back as. Yeah.
Because it's going to be a huge moment of growth for her.
Yeah. Which is also scary for her,
right? Because it's like everything is
foreign and growth is always scary because it means
comfortable. But she's doing it.
She's kicking ass. Yeah, at Peruge.
Arpeggios. That was the word I couldn't

(26:52):
find. Arpeggios Cappuccini.
Cappuccini cappellini arpeggios.She had to do like blue scale
jazz scale dissonant 7th and then like a bunch of arpeggios
and then also sing a song and scat woof.
She's. Which for her was just like, she

(27:14):
just did like, like, she just used one sound.
Yeah. But then yesterday she was like,
so I can scat now. And I was like, OK, tell me
more. Like you couldn't afford, but
OK. And she was like, I don't know,
like I was working with my voicecoach and he was like, do you
scat? And I said no.
And he said great, go for it. And then she was like, and then
I just did it. I was like, yeah, look at what

(27:34):
happens when you don't tell yourself you can't do something.
Look at what happens. Goes back to my grandpa Harry.
I didn't know. I couldn't.
Yeah, nobody told him he couldn't.
Nobody said I couldn't do that. So why?
Come on, Harry. Who's the only person that's
stopping me? Me.
Yeah, just me. I am my biggest.
Everyone's their biggest critic for the most part.

(27:56):
Yeah. Dumb.
Be a batter. Everybody quit it.
Make your inner voice nicer and then I'll be mean to you.
It's a weird turn, but all right.
Yes, Aunt. Anyway.
Oh, I love it. I mean, we could.
We could truly probably talk about that.
Yeah, all of it forever. But.

(28:20):
We're just your daily dose, yourreminder.
Yeah. OK.
We wanted to talk about food. Food we've gotten.
Requests glorious food. We've gotten requests to talk
about food. Somebody was just like, could

(28:41):
you just like, tell us how it works?
And we did have a request, man, I feel like back in the
beginning when people were firstsubmitting for KT hot takes, we
had a request about food and like how should we?
How should women eat for their age?
And I think that that question was specific to how should women
eat for menopause? But it's a much bigger
conversation that I think also ties into this.

(29:02):
Yes. I mean, even before I knew we
were talking about this today, Ihad was teaching class and I had
two. This topic has happened three
times just today in my life of Imean, there's just so much
information out there, but two of my students were talking to
me about their friends who are doing bodybuilding and they were

(29:24):
just like watching these people kind of actively destroy their
bodies, you know? And like, listen, I am all for a
goal. Yes, you're sloshy.
Goals are important. I'm all for a goal and Oh my
God, it's going to hell in a handbasket just whacking all the

(29:45):
the microphones. I'm all for goals in like
challenging yourself. And so I don't mind like
bodybuilding, if that's like your goal, go for it.
Yeah. The thing I have a problem with
is with bodybuilding specifically is they've they
have programs to help you. They've got coaches, they've got
the step by step thing to get you there, to get you the

(30:06):
leanest, the cutest, the blah, blah, blah.
They do not that I'm aware of, have a program to refeed
yourself. Yeah.
Appropriately, to phase yourselfout of it.
To phase yourself out of it. Yeah.
To the point where people die. Yeah, which is not great if
people are, you know, I agree with that.

(30:28):
Death is probably not what they were going.
For death is like bad and stuff.But like, I, I mean, I had a
friend who went there was like abodybuilding Expo or something a
few months ago and he went 'cause he has done bodybuilding
and somebody died there. Yeah, at the Expo.

(30:48):
Like while they were competing. Yeah, because there it was.
It was a 21 year old female. No, and she went into cardiac
arrest. Yeah, and it was.
Just like, Oh my God, that makesme so.
Sad, it makes me so sad. She died and so I was just like,
that's I mean, and yet again we have but it gets it's the
question of why are you doing itright?

(31:09):
Get curious about why you're doing.
It if that's whatever your goal is.
Whatever it is, why is it your goal?
Why is it your goal? Because if it's because of body
dysmorphia, let's deal with the problem.
That's something. You can't therefore then go
yeah, and compete, right? I'm like.
Yes, two things can be true. Yes, you can have that goal, but

(31:32):
you can also look at yourself and be honest and be like, I'm,
I'm doing this and I know that the root cause is not my best.
Yeah. And I would say fix that before
you go not feeding yourself forever, right, because then
that. Dysmorphia seeps into you trying
to get competition ready, and that's how you do scary things

(31:55):
that lead to scary results. Yeah, well, and then you do the
show and then it's done. Yeah.
And then you go have your burgers.
Yeah. And you gain weight because,
surprise, your body was hungry the whole time.
And and then and there's that psychological banana hammock

(32:19):
situation. Banana Hammock.
A psychological Speedo. There's my psychological like,
talk about not breathing. OK, they're high and tied up in
it. They are.
High and toy. Yeah, but I mean like that the,
the, the fuckery that happens inthe head, I can only imagine
when you're like your leanest, you're strong, not your

(32:40):
strongest, because those people are actually not.
You are not. You are not your strongest
because you're so depleted. Yeah, that the, but you look it.
And so that just needs to not bein.
But then that then you're like, I've got to get back there.
I've got to get back there. I've got to get back there.
Now I just feel fat all the time.
And it's like, you're not though.
Yeah, you know the the people. I know a man and I know a woman

(33:04):
who have done bodybuilding and the man just went back to normal
life. He's still yoked like he's still
jacked, but the female has had areally, really hard time
mentally because and she's stillbeautiful, she's still strong,
she's still yoked, right? She's still like jacked too, but
she cannot love herself. At least the conversations that

(33:30):
Y have had with her have all just been it's all about, oh,
I'm fluffy and I'm, you know, thick and I'm and I get, I mean,
I, I get that. But like, ask yourself.
Why, why? Why do we attach a judgement to
those words? Why does being fluffy mean
anything? Why does being thick mean
anything? Why does?

(33:52):
Why is there an assumption that those things are bad rather than
just what they are, Which is just a great question.
Just a description. Just a word.
It's just a word, yeah. It's like facts and feelings are
not the. Same.
It's literally just made-up sounds put together.
Floofy, yeah. Which I mean as somebody who is

(34:13):
going through the 1st quote UN quote bulk of their entire life
and I as a female, I feel like it's like so counterintuitive.
Yeah, because because we've beentold to be less our whole life.
To eat less, be in a deficit. It's the only way to lose.
Weight, and your ultimate goal should always be to be smaller,
shrink more. Yeah, yeah.
And so as somebody who is actively doing the opposite, I

(34:36):
will say that it has been, it's exciting for me, but I, I feel
all those things like I feel fluffy, I feel thick, I feel
bigger. My clothes are not fitting like
they did. And this is not, you know, I've
talked to my nutritionist who I,because I, I work with somebody,

(34:58):
right? I'm not just like free balling
it out here, which a lot of other people are.
And cuz, you know, I also come from a seat of privilege where
that was a priority for me. I wanted to work with somebody
who knew stuff and I have the funds to do that, right.
But I think she actually she even said to me she was like, I
never thought you would ever saythat to me that you'd want you'd

(35:20):
be willing to do a bulk. She's like when I first started
working with you, you're just like, I need to lose weight, I
need to lose weight, I need to lose weight and my body just
wouldn't my body was said no, Yeah, which I'm sure I've had
two babies. I'm almost 40I overtrain.
I'm sure there's some overtraining that has happened
in my life because I'm also justI'm a yoga instructor who lifts

(35:42):
a lot of weights in this CrossFit.
And I started running, you know,I like, love movement movements
how I like live my fullest life.But yeah, that my nutritionist
was like, I'm so excited. And I, I mean, I can't tell you,
I wish more females would do it.I wish it was more talked about.
And of course, I didn't just like jump to a bulk from a

(36:04):
deficit, right? I did maintenance 1st and I had
to find my maintenance. I was like what is that 2200
calories? What?
And then, and then how long did it take you to find it?
And then how long did you have to stay there before you could
move? On I mean, I was there for
probably a month at least and then she only maybe like 200
calories, but I mean it and thenit was too, I mean, I'm still in

(36:29):
it, right. We're only doing a bulk for 8 to
8 to 12 weeks is what good is what I'm is what I'm on, I'm on
or what she has me on. And I would say for the first
two weeks I was like, Oh my God,I don't want to eat.
And it's not even eating crazy. I'm not eating 3000 calories.

(36:51):
Yeah, but it's still. Hard.
But it's still hard. And the carbs are high, you
know? And I'm doing like, not a dirty
bulk, right? Dirty bulk is just like, eat it.
Yeah, Just like eat the food. Full sand full.
Sand, it doesn't matter. Candies and carbs and all this
stuff. No, I'm like eating it with like
Whole Foods and stuff, which is very filling.

(37:11):
Yeah, that's it's hard to get that many calories of Whole
Foods in your body. Like there's only so much brown
rice and steamed broccoli you can put in your body before
you're like, I'm good, I'm full.I'm like, my stomach is
distended. I'm good.
Oh man, yeah, my stretch pants. My vagina is not breathing like

(37:32):
I was just like 00. Sweet Lord.
But here's what I have noticed in just the I think this is like
week 3 like I'm not even that deep into it.
I the strength in the gym, yeah,has like exploded.
Yeah, your output is like the first thing that you see, right?
Holy God, I was like, I didn't even know my capability.

(37:54):
I thought I was strong before, like as you know, average woman.
I was doing great things but I had no idea.
I was like rowing with A50 for 10.
Come on, Queen. That was like, holy shit.
I was like, look at me go. Like I was.
Like I am and it was hard. Of course, of course it was hard

(38:15):
because, but you had the stamina.
But I had the stamina. Because you have the supply and.
Then on top of it, where I woulddo a workout before, even when I
was at maintenance, I would do aworkout and then maybe had to
teach or whatever. And I was gassed.
That was it. That was all my energy.
Yeah. You know, talking about our last
episode, which is about energy, Yeah.
And tools and stuff. And I was like, I had nothing.

(38:38):
I had used all of it in that, you know, 2 1/2 hour span of my
job and doing what gives me happiness, which is movement.
And now I'm like doing all the heavy work and doing all the
things, and I have energy for the rest of the day.
Who am I? And you increased your caloric

(39:00):
intake by how many calories? 200.
That's it. That's it.
She wants to go more. She wants to go more.
But. And you will.
And you? Will I'm very but see this is
and then but I catch myself doing that, right?
That was a real time reaction where I'm like, I don't think I
should because I can feel my body expanding, right?

(39:21):
As somebody who is also very intuitive with their body,
right? I'm very in touch with my body.
Yeah. Like I it's really hard.
And because the reprogramming isso slow, it feels like, yeah,
but that has been my goal going into my last year of my 30s is
like, I'm going to reprogram my brain to like, not not do all

(39:44):
that, right? I was like, my goal is to add as
much muscle mass and bone density to my body because after
40, we lose it all or it starts to deplete quickly as females.
And so I was like, I'm going to put on as much.
I'm going to be a fucking tank. Like I want to just.
But in like a cool way, you know, like in a strong way.

(40:07):
But that has taken a long time for me to be even open to the
idea of that. Well, we.
Spent so much of our lives as women being hyper vigilant about
what we look like in the mirror,how we measure, like literally
how we measure in inches, how wemeasure in clothing sizes.
And it's something that we are always aware of.
Every day when you get dressed, every night when you take your

(40:29):
clothes off, it's something we're always aware of.
So for you to then have to be like, my body is going to change
in a way that I perceive as negative and that's OK and.
That's OK. And you can say that to yourself
100 times a day, but you still have to fight programming from
the last 40 years. And then the feelings that I
feel, which are not facts, right?
It's not facts. And this is because I've reached

(40:50):
out to my, when I'm in like my low moments, I've reached out to
my nutritionist and been like, girl, you got to pet me up.
You got to say something that inspires me to keep going
because I'm dark. And she always says she's like,
this is a moment, yeah, this is a tool on the journey to get you
to where you're going, to get the strength up, to get the
muscle mass up to do the things that you want to in to do in

(41:13):
performance in the gym and life,right?
Like it's not just like I'm not trying to be a CrossFit human
being, right? In fact, I've really loved
backing away from that because now I'm not doing, I do CrossFit
once a week. I'm still in the gym, right?
But the I'm doing a lot of bodybuilding like, you know,

(41:36):
instead of just like clean and jerks and run until you die,
which that's some of that's a bummer because it's like I work
so hard for those scales. But I also know that like
yesterday, I got to experience like the, you know, it's not
just about scale victories. I don't.
I don't weigh myself because that fucks with my head too

(41:58):
hard. Slippery slope.
Yeah, and I just don't have. I'd rather spend my brain waves
somewhere else. Yeah.
And for a while I didn't measure, you know, or even take
pictures. I was just like, that's not good
for me, so I'm going to stop. And but yesterday the So the
small victories really matter for me.

(42:19):
And I was able to like snatch 100 lbs come on over my head
twice in a row. And I was like, and that was
like my, that's like very close to my one Rep of the snatch.
Really. Oh my gosh, my one Rep is 105
and I was like I could probably do more and I like held it and I
was like I have never even the coach was like that was perfect.

(42:42):
That was really good Dory and I was like.
Come on, Queen. I know.
And I didn't really, like even let it sink in until I got home
and I was like, holy shit, Tor. Yeah, you did that, baby.
Yeah, you did. Yes, you did.
You should fucking celebrate. Yes, yeah.
But no way would I have been able to do that.
No way have I been able to do that up until this moment when
I'm properly feeding my body. Yeah, 'cause when you're
depleted, you don't have fuel, you don't have energy.

(43:05):
I'm just like trying to scream it from the rooftops now that
I'm experiencing it experience in it.
But the journey is so has been long as far as like allowing
myself to do that because yes, the programming has told me be
smaller and especially as A52 girl.
Yep. And I've always been curvy, so
like, you know, I hide it in my hips.

(43:26):
I don't know. But like I, I've always been
told to be smaller. So eat.
Less. Yeah, is what I've been.
Yeah. Starve your body.
I have. When I lived in New York, a very
good friend of mine was doing bodybuilding competitions and
she had lost so much body fat that she stopped having her

(43:50):
period. No, that's a big red.
Flag, which by the way, guys, ifyou are so thin or in such a
rapid weight loss cycle that youstop having your period, if you
are still a menstruating body, that's a sign that things are
bad. Yeah, very bad.
So. I mean, that's the isn't too.
Isn't that the energy? Your brain is like, literally

(44:11):
saving energy. Yeah, because it's depleted
everywhere. Yeah, right.
It's saying there's something very wrong.
Yeah, yeah. It's saying I can't, I can't.
I don't have the excess in my body right now to produce.
To produce. Yeah.
My body is not in a place where I can produce a child.

(44:31):
Yeah, yeah. That's deep on so many levels.
That's like so intense. Yeah, and she so she like when
she first stopped having her period, she was concerned.
She went to the doctor. The doctor was like, you've lost
too much weight. She took that as a compliment.
And I think we all. Would I mean honestly, like if

(44:52):
in my, in my normal days, not knowing better, right, 'cause
that's the thing like half the people don't know that's wrong,
right? They're just like great, I'm
skinny, right? I mean there's the, there's no
other layer. It's just like I, my goal is to
be skinny and I am, but there's always skinnier.
I mean, that's the thing. I yes, no, I know but.

(45:15):
It is, it's so scary. And then so, so then for like 6
months, she didn't have a period.
She did the competition. She same thing, didn't phase out
of it. Just like tried to quote UN
quote maintain, but also maintain at a level that was
like slightly more calories thanwhat she had been taking in
prior. And the minute, the day that her
period came back, she lost her shit and she was like, I'm

(45:39):
eating too much. And I was like, no.
Babe, Oh no, I might cry. Yeah.
And so she was like, I'm eating too much.
I have to go, but like, I have to go back.
And I was like, like, this is the and and.
But the story is so common. Yeah, so common.
Yeah, I the the guy when I was getting for ready for my

(46:01):
wedding, which was the deep, youknow we have talked about that
on here before. Oh, you had 1200 calories A.
Day I had 1200 calories a day. That's my feeling.
I was a server on my feet all day.
Yeah. 8 hours at least. Yeah, and and a performer.
And I was in a show, so on your feet.

(46:22):
So it was when I was doing Wild Party.
Yeah, so on your feet all night.Doing singing, being the lead in
dancing. Yeah and yeah, high stakes, high
energy. And then I would go to the gym
for an hour and a half and a lotof it was not lifting.
It was just pure cardio treadmill.

(46:43):
And I would lift a little bit, but I really don't remember
lifting a lot. I worked with a trainer, so I
would lift with him. But then, yeah, most of it was
like, hey, go hit the the cardio.
And now to be fair to him, I went back.
So we had the wedding. Everybody was just so skinny
blah blah. And why is also your wedding day

(47:06):
about that? I, it has always bothered me
when people are like, I'm losingweight for the wedding.
I'm like, but then you still have the rest of your life like,
why wouldn't you want to look like yourself in your wedding
photos? And, and I realized that comes
from a place of privilege. I understand that, but also like
I. I don't mind, like, wanting to
feel your best. Yeah, but like, this was not

(47:28):
sustainable. Now I'm I'm really proud of
myself because I man, she committed.
I was like, it was my first timementally where I was all in.
I was just like, I what he said I did.
And it was rapid. I mean, I lost weight very
quickly. And so then we went on our
honeymoon. We had ate all the pasta in

(47:50):
Italy, right? We did all the things, one
cheese, I mean, tiramisu out your butt, like we were going
for it. And and then of course gained
weight because also I don't think my body likes to be at
that weight. That was also a really big
lesson for me. It was just like I was.

(48:11):
That's why I don't do the scale because I was chasing in this
fucking number that means absolutely nothing.
And it's also. Not relevant to like who you are
individually to your bio individuality and that to like
what determines your individual health.
Yes, because my body did not like being that little.
Yeah, even though according to that, my smallest, I was still

(48:32):
obese according to the BMI. So fuck BMIBMI, guys.
BMI is bullshit, it's bullshit, it's bullshit, guys, it's
bullshit. It's bullshit anyway.
It is bullshit, outdated. Do not look at it anymore.
But then I went back to the sametrainer and I was like, OK,
let's go round two. Ding, Ding, Yeah.
And he was like, great, I'm putting you on 1800 calories.

(48:54):
And I said you're out your fucking mind.
Are you kidding me? And he was like, no, I was like,
I'm not working with you then. And I didn't.
Because he wouldn't. He wasn't willing to go back to
1200. Calories yeah he's like Tori,
you gave me 4 months yeah to drop around.
I think I dropped like 40, maybe50 lbs like I was, I mean, I

(49:15):
wasn't like I wasn't big like any, but I remember the for a
while party, I went into the audition 1 weight and then it
was a while before we even started rehearsals.
It was like 4 months, four or five months.
And so in my head, I was also preparing for that, right?
Because I was like. Going to be in lingerie I'm.
Going to be in lingerie, I'm going to be, you know, there's

(49:35):
like 3 sex scenes that I have tobe a part of on stage and so
like Oh my God. So there was also that caveat,
but what was my point? What was I even talking about?
Oh no, the the way when? I went into rehearsal the first
day, literally the director looked at me and was like, what
happened? He was like, where are you at,
babe? Yeah, he was.

(49:56):
I remember that. And I took that as the biggest
compliment, of course, because that's the other thing that
nobody talks about is like people are always like, Oh my
God, you look so good. You look so good.
You look so good time. Then you get to whatever this
weight, imaginary weight is. Yeah.
And it stops. People stop commenting.
Yeah. And you take that for Bible,
you're like, well, now I'm not, I'm not off.

(50:17):
I'm not working hard enough likeI'm not trying hard enough.
Now I'm no longer worthy. And now, yeah.
And and that was really hard. That was a hard, another hard
lesson along. And I still know some people who
do that, who are still chasing, chasing that.
And I'm like, it starts here, starts at home.

(50:37):
Look at yourself. Say that shit to yourself from
say it from your chest, yes, as they say out there and the the
kids playing with your chest andand yeah and fucking believe it
like you're beautiful wherever you are always.
Yeah. But I also know that goals are
important to a lot of people andI'm here to support that as

(50:58):
well. Yes.
And goals are important. It's it's very important to have
goals for all kinds of things. But what it's back to the same
like what is the motivation? This is your goal.
Why is it your goal? Why is it your goal?
Is your goal to lose weight because society has told you
that you need to be thinner? Is your goal to lose weight
because people have verbally told you that you need to be

(51:19):
thinner? Is your goal to lose weight
because you're comparing yourself to other people?
Like how? How are you setting yourself up
for success, which is like a whole different especially when
it comes to diet and nutrition. Setting yourself up for success
is like a a whole different, I guess it's not a different
conversation. We should be having it now, but
it's not. But setting yourself up for

(51:40):
success in anything in weight loss and changing your diet
means giving yourself room to fail and then recover rather
than like, I mean the reason that we know that diets don't
work, because if diets worked, nobody would be overweight.
Yeah, like we'd be there. We'd.
We would all collectively be there because everybody's on the

(52:01):
next diet fad and it doesn't work because it's not designed
to be forever. But we take it as gospel and
then we try to make it forever and then we fail because it's
not possible to maintain that kind of diet forever.
But even in like I, when I was just in New York, I went to see
my endometriosis specialist and she was like, everything's

(52:22):
looking rough again. She was like, we have some
options. She we did an egg count.
She was like, your egg count is still high.
Your ovaries are healthy. I don't recommend doing a
hysterectomy, but we can do another laparoscopic procedure
and remove what we can or we cantry to change.
We can do it more holistically and try to change nutrition and

(52:45):
lifestyle. But what that meant for me, who
already is very restricted with I was supposed.
To say with food, how more, how more?
Yeah, right. Because of all the allergies
that I have, she said. The two things or the three
things that are going to be the most impactful at this point
with where my nutrition already is, is to cut out dairy.

(53:08):
You can't see it, listeners, butmy eyes are big.
Made me want to cry. Made me want to weep.
Giant alligator tears. Giant cheese shaped giant tears.
Cheese wheel tears shed. Tears.
And then eggs, no. Oh.
Yeah, and sugar. Which?

(53:29):
That one's easier, sugar, that one's easier for me.
That one's easy for me. Two weeks out of the month.
But fuck man. Period time.
Period time, period time and sugar ovulation time.
Come on. Oh yeah, girl, you better give
me. I want salt in one hand.
And salt and sugar. In the other hand, and.
Just double fist. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Salt liquid with a coat of sugar.

(53:49):
Yes, yeah, yeah. But that's like in order for me
to not undergo another procedure.
Gosh. That's Is that what you're
doing? What I'm doing and I, I was
really diligent about it and I've done this before.
It's hard when the people aroundyou don't support you or don't

(54:10):
understand, right. Because it's hard to to be
social or to like for me, it wasalways hard to set family
gatherings. Yeah.
Or where people would be like, what do you mean you're not?
What do you mean you're not eating that?
And I'd be like. Feel like you're skinny?
Why are you cutting out dairy? Yeah, and like, 'cause I wanna
fucking be alive past the age of50.

(54:30):
Like what? I have bigger goals, Betty.
Yeah, come on, bet. But even still, even though I've
done it before and I know that Ihave the ability and I know that
I have the discipline, it's still fucking hard because like,
it's food that I enjoy and it's food that I am used to having.
And so then so for like a week Iwas great.

(54:53):
And then one night I was like, Ijust want some fucking pizza.
And so I ate pizza. And there was a split second
where I was like, Kimberly, you know, better, You're not taking
care of yourself. And then I was like, hold the
fuck on. Like, why is it that I have to
go from one diet 11? Yeah, exactly.
Why do I have to go from one nutrition profile that is my

(55:13):
standard to another without giving myself any room to fail?
Like, why would I not expect to stumble?
Why would I not build that in for myself to be like, you know
what, girl? Yeah, it's fucking hard.
You already are so restricted inwhat you can eat.
It's really fucking hard to takeother stuff out.
Especially because I use cheese as a protein source, Right.
And yogurt as a protein source. Where are you getting your

(55:35):
protein? Beef.
I mean, beef's good though. You know, we get that.
We get. That half a cow.
We got that half a cow, yeah. So you know.
OK, OK. It's funny because I know you
have a lot of restrictions and Pat does the same thing.
He's like, she's probably got a she's vegan, right?
She was like, no, she's not. She might eat all the meat she
eats. All the meat, she just cares

(55:56):
where the meat comes from. And no, she can't have anything
else. So literally.
She can have, don't get me told.Leaf and beef.
Leaf and beef. Leaf and beef.
They were up in a restaurant, soI'm calling it welcome to.
Listen, I think it would do good.
It was like dietary issues. You're like, there's no corn,
there's no dairy. There's no soy.

(56:18):
If you want, yeah. If you want to cut, come to leaf
and beef. Come on to Leaf and Beef,
sponsored by the It's Nothing That's Everything podcast.
That's right. But then once I reframed it for
myself where I was like, you know what, yes, it's going to be
better for my body, for the chronic conditions that I have

(56:39):
to remove these things from my diet.
And also I'm a human. I'm not a robot.
And also there are just going tobe times where it's going to be
easier than not. And I don't think that's a cop
out. If if we like, for example,
Monday night I was meeting my friend Caroline for dinner.
We had plans to meet on Tuesday night, but she lives in.

(57:01):
Bainbridge. She lives in Bainbridge and I
was driving back from Port Townsend and I wasn't going to
go down to Tacoma and then back up because traffic was so bad.
So I was going to drive to Bainbridge and take the ferry
anyway. So I was like, why don't I just
meet up with her now while I'm here rather than making her come
into the city tomorrow night. And also, this is already a
night away from dot. I didn't want to have a second
night away from dot. So I was like, great, let me

(57:23):
just see if we can, you know, shift do it all the same time.
Met up with her Bainbridge, small cute little area but a
Monday night. Trying to find a restaurant
that's open on a Monday night that I can eat at.
I was like, I'd love a cheese. Yeah, So we went to a pizza
restaurant and I got pizza and Ihad some goat cheese.
And it's fine because the alternative was me being like,
sorry, Caroline, never mind, we can't have dinner because I

(57:45):
can't eat anywhere. And I was willing to make that
sacrifice in the moment, right? Because it's one day, right?
And I also trust myself enough to know that I'm not opening
Pandora's box by doing it once in a blue moon.
I think that that is a people think that it's like all or
nothing. Yeah.
And then if you go even a littlebit out of that box, if you eat

(58:09):
a candy bar, yeah, it's all ruined.
It's all fucking ruined. Yeah.
It's like a candy bar ain't going to do nothing.
No, get back on it. Don't make it a daily habit,
right. Enjoy it.
That's also part of part of likeit makes those moments even
sweeter. Like, pun intended.
Yeah. Because you're not having it all

(58:29):
the time. So you can actually enjoy it for
how it's intended to be enjoyed,which is like, it's a sweet
treat. Yeah.
Enjoy it. Don't make it every, you know,
day at noon of my jumbo candy bar.
But like. Costco size.
But I know I have a few friends who struggle with this topic and

(58:49):
they've said that they're like I, I'm I'm all or nothing and
I'm like, the only person that'sgoing to hurt is you in the long
run. And I know that people do it as
like a safety precaution, right?Like you just said it for
yourself, you have to be 100% inbecause if you're only 99% in,
you might as well be 0% in. I understand that it's like a, a
form of protection and also to be OK with imperfection and to

(59:16):
be OK with because the amount ofstress and anxiety that comes
with that lifestyle to me is notsustainable.
And if I'm meant to be reducing stress, it's still a trade off,
right? If I'm being so diligent that I
never eat these things 100% of the time, that's an increased
level of stress because I'm constantly checking menus ahead
of time to see if I can eat anything.
And if not, I can't go out with those people.

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And you know, like we, I mean, we already pack our, our own
food when we go visit family anyway.
But it's like, how, how much stress am I willing to add to
this situation in order to it's,it's always a trade off.
And so at what point does one outweigh the other?
Yeah. And for me, being 99% or like

(59:57):
let's be honest, probably 95% diligent and being 5% off the
wagon is far more sustainable tome than the stress of being.
100% of the time diligent and I,I can't, I don't feel like it's
my place to say that other people should do that because I
don't live in other people's brains and other people's

(01:00:18):
bodies. But like I do think that is
important for people to considerthe fact that 95% is still
really good. Really good.
Really good. Well, I think that, yeah.
I mean, as somebody who counts macros in her life, yeah.
I it comes from a place of wanting more data, understanding

(01:00:43):
my body. But there's also a sense of,
like, control. I'm a control, you know, I don't
trust myself to just, like, intuitively eat.
Yeah. I just don't.
I like, I don't trust myself to do it.
And because also I don't know ifI believe in, you know, that's
a, it's a slippery slope, that intuitive eating that's so hot

(01:01:03):
right now in the world of just be like, I'm an intuitive eater.
And I'm like, yeah, well, then four more scoops of popcorn,
please. Right, you can't just go from.
Sads. How you were before to to be to
you can't just wake up one day and decide you're going to eat
intuitively and and to not anticipate that your body is
going to crave what you're trying to remove from it and
take that as intuitive eating. Yeah, craving is not the same

(01:01:25):
as. Pillow down, whatever that was.
Craving the things that your body is chemically addicted to
is not the same as eating intuitively.
How do you feel about people whosay that they're they're you
have a food addiction? I think everybody's addicted to
something. However, my pushback to being

(01:01:50):
addicted to drugs, being addicted to food, being addicted
to sex, being addicted to cigarettes, being addicted to
whatever is that you're not addicted to the thing.
You're addicted to either the ritual that soothes the part of
you that needs soothing or the emotional fulfillment that you
get from it. You're addicted to the emotional
response. You're not addicted to the
thing. OK, Thank you.

(01:02:11):
Goodbye. And also listen guys, if you are
an addict and you're like you'rea fucking idiot, tell me
because. I mean, like there's we want to
know if peeps are out there and they're like, I'm an intuitive
eater and it's really worked forme.
I would love to know. I mean, I will say I have gotten
to a point where I can almost always eat intuitively.
But what that also has taken is,I mean, I was diagnosed with
food allergies when I was in my 20s, so over 15 years ago.

(01:02:36):
And I would say really, I've only been able to truly eat
intuitively, like be able to sitdown and be like, OK, I can feel
that I need more protein in my body.
I can feel that I need more cruciferous vegetables.
I mean, it has taken me at least10 years of being conscious of
what I'm eating to get to a point where I can feel what I'm
lacking. But also that's like, because

(01:02:58):
you, you do have so many food allergies.
Yeah. Like your scope is very, very
limited, very small compared to like my scope, which is like, I
can't have shellfish. Yeah.
Meat. Yeah.
You know, I think it's, but alsothat's one, that's one of the
things I love about macro counting is like, yeah, now I
can like look and be like, I know what a, you know, around 4

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to 6 ounces of a protein looks like, right.
Because I've weighed it so many times, which I don't like.
I don't do that all the time. I think there's a time and a
place, right? It depends on the goals.
Because there's days where I won't, I'm just like, I don't
have the mental bandwidth or if I'm on vacation, right?
I'm like, that's not what vacation is meant for.

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And that's what my actually my nutrition should be like.
This is not the time. Yeah.
You going on vacation is is meant for you to be present.
Yeah, that's your 5%. And and why?
And but also like, that doesn't mean you have to like go all ham
hog on the candy bar, right? I always talk about candy
because I love candy. I do.
Same girl. I mean, yeah.

(01:04:01):
I love a candy I can Mao down. Chocolate, I'm forget about it.
Anything sweet honestly. Ice cream.
I don't even like sour stuff andI would eat a bag of sour
anything. Even though I don't really like
the sour, I would work through it.
You'd take one for the team. I would take one for the team.
I was like, what's the same thatI'm looking for?

(01:04:24):
But I think that that so much isalso centered around like
holidays and all that is centered around food.
And yeah, you know, and it doesn't have to be.
Yeah, right. But my family, it very much is
like we're Italian. So it's like food and wine is
what we celebrate is life. But I was really proud of
myself. I've done so much work that this

(01:04:46):
this last vacation, we went to Walla Walla.
And knowing that conversation right where I was like, I want
to stop drinking, you know, and I didn't not partake, but it was
like a wine glass, just one. And that's, and I would like
check in with myself, be like, I'm good as long as I have like
something in my hand. I'm drinking something like

(01:05:08):
water or, you know, liquid IV orwhatever I was drinking.
Yeah, that always really helped me.
But it wasn't, I felt, no, I didn't feel the pangs of either
FOMO or, I don't know, FOMO or whatever else kind of guilt I
would put on myself of not like be like, I'm on vacation.
So I'm just going to go. For it.

(01:05:29):
Well, I also feel like so much of drinking is mindless.
You just are like OK, I had a full glass, now my glass is
empty, now I must refill it. Can you imagine if we did that
with water? Can you?
You'd be hydrated, bitch. You'd be so hydrated you could
be. Not a crispy chip.
But it, it also is a social, there's a social aspect to it
too, because like there's hospitality to it.
If somebody sees that your glassis empty, they have to fill it

(01:05:49):
for you. And that's like somebody being
hospitable, being a good host. So like those are the layers too
you have to contend with is likebeing able to be like, no, I'm
good, keep that bottle away frommy glass.
And then also being comfortable with yourself, like you said,
checking in and being like, I, I'm fine right now.
I don't need, I mean, none of usneed alcohol, right?

(01:06:11):
But like, I don't need another glass.
No, I'm good. I don't need that muffin loaf in
the morning first thing, even though it was sometimes it was
nice, but it was. It's that that checking in that
I think we don't. We don't do yeah either.
Well, we also have to, I think something that is so something

(01:06:33):
that is missing from the way that we perceive diet,
nutrition, food in general in our culture is that we don't
consider the fact that everyone's bio individuality is
going to contribute differently to how they interact with food
and alcohol and all the things. And rather than like all of
these stupid studies that have been published that are like,

(01:06:57):
women need, you know, X amount of protein and men can drink X
amount of alcohol. It's just not that simple.
And unfortunately, we dumbed down information to convey it to
the public and it's and it creates a lot of false comfort
in relying on that. Those statistics when they're

(01:07:17):
not real, they're like averages based on compiling lots of
information across lots of people across lots of period of
periods of time and just literally pulling an average or
a mean, pulling literally just the person that hits directly in
the middle. If you did your study of, you
know, 200 people and they pulledperson 100 and now they said

(01:07:42):
this is what everyone's goal should be.
It makes no fucking sense. But like, that's how we approach
caloric intake. What kind of food to eat, what
diet you should be on, how much alcohol to have, how much sleep
you need. It's not like just none of it is
that simple. And until you are at a point
where you can get curious about your own needs and ignore all of

(01:08:03):
the shit that we've seen and it's like 2 probably more than
two sided or multi pronged. Is that like we're told things
from a health perspective, from an NIH perspective that we hear
from our primary care providers.And it's like, here's where you
fit on the BMI scale. And that, and this means XX for
a calorie intake. And, and, but moving away from

(01:08:25):
that and being able to like get curious without necessarily
having parameters is scary because you don't necessarily
have guidelines other than like,please don't eat 5000 calories
if you're not working out or moving your body to a comedy for
that. And please also don't eat 500
calories because you will die. So like 5?
1000. Calories.
Well, 5000 calories without working out or or 500 calories.

(01:08:48):
I see. Right, because you're not an an
infant, right? Your body needs more than that.
It's. More than 500 everybody.
Yeah, somewhere in between the two between 505,000 is great.
But like, I mean, we talked about this before the the amount
of calories that my body requires on a daily basis to
sustain, to stay active, for my brain to keep functioning, for

(01:09:09):
me to feel physically awake is significantly more than how my
body according to random health charts, how my body should
require calories. And same for you and same for
literally everybody else. But you have to be able to
depart from that. And often times like depart from

(01:09:30):
what your doctor say is best foryou.
I can't tell you how many doctors I've told.
Like when I tell doctors how many calories I take in on a
daily basis, I either get dismissed like I'm wrong or like
I don't know what I'm talking about.
Or like there's I get like the shock response of like, how is
that possible? Like that's not your body
doesn't need that much. And I'm like, I don't know what

(01:09:50):
to tell you. I don't.
You don't live. Here it does, yeah.
And this is how I feel best. Yeah, this is how I feel best.
This is how I can function. This is how my brain can operate
all day long and how my body andhow I can like, be present for
my children when they come home rather than just like, curling
up on the couch because I have nothing left.
Yeah. So get curious guys.

(01:10:12):
Yeah. And yes, and that it's less
about what it looks like and more about what it feels like.
I mean, that's honestly that's what.
It's about it's that feedback. How do you feel laying on the
beach? Who gives a shit what you look
like in your bikini? How does your body feel?
Yeah. How does this, I mean, when I
switched from what it looks liketo how it feels like, that was a

(01:10:35):
big game changer in the reprogramming of my brain of
like, how do I perform throughout the day?
Where's the energy throughout the day?
How's my performance in the gym?Do I have anything left?
And it really came down to that's.
Treat it like that's what it is,because that's what it.
Is and so when I started to do that I did notice a huge

(01:10:55):
difference of just like Oh yeah it's not about you know what my
ass looks like right, even though my ass is high and tight
God bless you have a squad you. Have a great ass, you know what
I'm saying? That's.
Squad, I mean, you marry the twotogether.
Yeah. You know, we need the three
things. We need food, we need water and

(01:11:16):
we need movement. And sleep.
Yes, we need 4 things and a roofoverhead.
OK, five things. OK, five things.
And safety, OK. And physical touch, OK.
So we need like several things. Stuff you guys.

(01:11:37):
We need more stuff, but but that's also like survival versus
thriving, right? To survive, to survive, food,
water, movement, sleep, Yeah. To thrive.
That's a long list. We don't have that kind of time.
Because we're, because we're doing it.
Hey, food and stuff. Just check in.

(01:11:58):
I mean, I think that that's the,and if you're a goal oriented
human being, much like I am, like I always like to have
something I'm striving for. Yeah.
That's just more of a mental thing than anything else is it's
like, OK, what are my goals? Great.
What's going to support that goal?
Yeah, and, and how can you get the tools to get there, right?
Yeah, and also, that means relying on other people.

(01:12:20):
Get a nutritionist. Don't follow the advice of some
fucking idiot on TikTok. Please for the love of God, fit
fluencers, please for the love of God.
'Cause they don't know, they don't.
Know and they're selling their supplements yeah and they're
just like trying to make a buck and so they're gonna.
Say if you find a fit fluencer who is and if you need a list I

(01:12:41):
will send them to you Just DM mebecause it also that's part of
like the the tchotchkes that youfill your day with.
Yeah, it's like if. Oh no.
Oh, we're OK. It had froze to death.
We good, we good. It's like if you if your

(01:13:01):
Instagram is full of those people who do not have your body
type, who do not have your goals, who are.
Posed in just a way to look likethey don't have any.
Fans are posed, edited in all the things.
They're 23 without kids. That's not the person you should
be following. Yeah.
But when I started to fill my feed with these women who are

(01:13:22):
like, what is her first name? Rugby player?
Oh shit, I'm going to fuck up her name.
Iona. Iona.
Mayor. I don't know.
I just know there's the Greek pronunciation of the name.
I think you're saying is Iona, but I have no idea.
Oh sure, anyway, the rugby player, 17 people are yelling.

(01:13:45):
And screaming, yeah. Anyway, she is where she just,
she is blowing up and talking about how she is a big woman,
like a tall, pure muscle, £200 rug athlete Olympian and she's
like, no one can tell me that I am not beautiful.

(01:14:05):
Yeah. Yes.
Queen, no one can tell me. Come on, you know what?
Because because that fucking nothing tastes better than
skinny feels is coming back around.
I hate it. And she was like, you know what
tastes better? Strong.
And you know what tastes better?Food.
Yeah. Have you ever had a tiramisu?

(01:14:27):
She's like the nothing tastes better than skinny, feels skinny
doesn't feel good it feels like.Bag of Dicks.
It feels like a bag of Dicks. A giant one giant bag.
I don't know what micro penis is.
That's just a That's a little bag of micropenis.
No, that's how that's how many, that's how many are in that bag.

(01:14:49):
That's how yucky it feels. That's a giant bag of
micropenises. Stick your hand in there.
Just a Vienna sausage I. Don't disagree.
We've been fully off the rails. Anyway, there's another woman
who who I follow, I can't remember her name.
I'll put it on our Instagram stories.
That's what I'll do. I'll put it on our Instagram

(01:15:10):
stories because she's also another one who's like, I can't
tell how tall she is, but she's not very tall.
And she, you know, works out, eat healthy.
And she's like, stop with the skinny, you guys, stop with the
skinny. It's not sustainable.
It's not worth your time. It's just just stop.
Make it more about the performance.
Make it about what you feel likeinstead of what you look like

(01:15:33):
all the time. Yeah, yeah, if you have to take
a nap every day because you're not eating enough food.
Your body's telling you something.
Your. Body's sending you a message.
Yeah, and it's like, listen to the cues, listen to how you feel
throughout the day if your energy is going up and down.
Or like like me, you can crush aworkout but then you're fucking
tanked the rest of the. Day, Yeah.
That's your body saying something, so do something about

(01:15:56):
it. Don't talk about it.
Be about it. Yeah, listen.
And then be kind to her or him or them.
To be fair, I don't think we actually talked about what kind
of nutrition we didn't we didn'tranted about.
It but but I think that's the point in all everything that we
said right, is it's bioindividuality.
I can't tell you what to eat because I don't know what your
body needs. If you want to make physical

(01:16:16):
change in your body and and you want to appear aesthetically
different, please work with a nutritionist.
Work with somebody who is certified, certified by a who
like has actual credentials fromlike a reputable certifying body
and not somebody who like got certified through Beachbody or
like any of the fucking online like fit.

(01:16:37):
Fluencers now have their own certifications that you can pay
whatever $100 for and then get certified as quote UN quote
health coaches through them. Do your reason who does teacher
trainings that is offensive to me that you can get certified.
I mean, it's all bullshit. They just give you a piece of
paper and they're like, Congrats, you're certified.
You gave me money. Thanks.
Yeah. It's all bullshit.
Oh, I've worked with a quote UN quote nutritionist.

(01:16:58):
She has no back. She has no schooling.
And she. Yeah.
And does she market herself as anutritionist?
Yes. Well, and then.
She and then she, I mean, then she just kept lowering my
calories. I was like trying to do CrossFit
and on NO17, No 16, no, because I just wasn't because my body

(01:17:18):
was holding on to. Absolutely everything for dear
life. Yeah, yeah.
And so it was just like, oh, well, that's Nope, you ain't it,
kid. Yep.
And so then I because because I'm a chip cheapskate and I
didn't want to pay money. I'm so glad I did, though.
I'm so glad I work with somebodywho is smart and went to school

(01:17:41):
for it, you know? Yeah, and they also did the.
Science. You science guys.
You science don't. It's not.
Essential oils aren't gonna saveyou.
It's not. These make stuff smell good
though. I love essential oils.
Come on, make my own hand soap and I use essential oils.
I add lavender to my laundry detergent.

(01:18:01):
Cute essential oils are great sometimes.
It's not gonna make you your insides feel better.
Yeah, but like adding adding grapefruit essential oils to
your water to try to lose weight.
That's that's a sham. That's a sham, if that's what
you're. Snake oil, baby if.
That's what your instant nutritionist is telling you.
Fire them please. Yeah.

(01:18:21):
So anyway, I'm going to put someladies, some strong ass ladies
that I think everyone should follow because I think they're
just inspiring. Yeah.
And start to fill your feed withsmart people.
Preach. Amen.
But I want to hear like what? Tell us all the things when we

(01:18:42):
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So those places that you can do that is Gmail.
Our Gmail is it's nothing. It's
[e-mail], that's right.
Or our Instagram, which is it's nothing, it's everything pod.
And we're Facebook. You know, if you're still on
Facebook, I'm still there waiting for you.

(01:19:04):
It's really just us and. Like two other people.
No, we have over 100 followers. Do we?
Yeah. Come on.
I think just 121. Nobody.
Interacts with us there. But nobody talks to me.
Yeah, yeah. They like to talk to us on the
insta. I do talk that more of you are
starting to send voice notes. That's fun.
Yeah, we love a a voice notes. OK, I need to stop using my

(01:19:27):
voice is what that is telling me.
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Not possible. No.

(01:19:47):
How do you what's your crazy crazy fucking diet that you've
done? I want to hear some crazy.
Oh my God. OK, wait.
I'm going to do. I'm going to rattle off 3 really
quickly. You do the same.
What was the Maple syrup, cayenne, lemon juice diet?
Yeah, I did that one. We had the cleanse.
Yeah, whatever that was cleanse.I did like smoothie, liquid

(01:20:10):
diet, smoothies only. Smoothies and juices only.
First of all, guys, eat solid foods.
Mastication is an important partof processing food and retaining
calories and energy anyway. And then oh, oh, I did shit.
What was it called before? Before it was like California,

(01:20:33):
No. Oh, California diet.
Cat Was it California diet? Yeah, California diet.
Yeah, I did a whole 30. Oh yeah, I never did that one.
Which for the most part isn't bad.
It's a good tool to have. It's a good tool.
It's a good, you know, reset is what they use it for, but I
think there are some people who do it on The Reg and I would

(01:20:54):
love to know the calorie take ofthat.
I did the whole 30. I did the beach body.
I did, which I don't get me started.
We'll do another podcast about it.
Because if you're eating out of small fucking containers like
that, ain't no way you're hitting.
No wonder people lose weight. Yeah, because you're not eating.

(01:21:15):
Anything if you're eating baby food as a meal.
Let's see what other I mean. And I I count just the 1200
calorie diet as its own. Mark of Hell, God I.
Can't man just savoring a a protein bar like it was my last
meal on earth. Taking the tiniest.

(01:21:36):
Bites. Yep.
So it could last. Yeah.
Gross. Anyway, look at me now, you
know? So anyway, we love you guys.
Thanks for being here, and see you next Tuesday.
Bye. Oh yeah, bye.