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October 27, 2025 • 13 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
June fifteenth of twenty thirteen, he actually stole beer from
a Walmart. Like, this is a wealthiest fuck kid with
all his parents, credit cards and stuff, but he wants
to show off with his friends. So there's video of
them stealing multiple cases of beer from Walmart, and Ethan
was like, I'll drive you knocks into all of the
people that were standing there. People go flying. The crime

(00:21):
scene was spread out.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
For likes of hundreds of feet. Yeah, guys, welcome back
to my channel and welcome back to Talk Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
So today's video is very interesting.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
And I recently heard about this after a documentary came
out called The Twinning Reaction. And I have always been
fascinated by the idea of twins. What it would be
like to have a twin, What would be like to
have someone with pretty much your same DNA rolling around?

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Like I just think that's so interesting.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
But can't you imagine finding out that you had a
twin in your adulthood that you had missed out on
your whole lifeck out this video of these two girls
that were adopted and separated when they're super super young
in China, two ten year.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Old girls got the surprise of a lifetime when they
discovered they had a twin sister living across the country.
Audrey and Gracie were separated at birth. Now they are
about to meet in person for the first time. What
are you Okay, you're ready, I'm gonna back away.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
It's very overwhelming.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
I felt like there was somebody missing. So they was like, no,
it's complete.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
It's complete.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Imagine if those girls didn't get to meet each other
until they were almost fifty years old.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Well, that's reality for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
I'm gonna be telling you today about a very interesting
experiment that should have never happened and.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
How it happened.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
First of all, it's important that we talk about Louise
Wy's Services. This is an adoption agency in New York
that was first founded in nineteen sixteen, and it was
originally for Jewish babies and to connect families who wanted
a Jewish baby with a Jewish baby. Now, this is
Howard Burack. He grew up in Upper New York City
in Rockland County. When he was thirty five years old
in nineteen ninety eight, he became extremely curious about where

(02:35):
he came from. Like anyone who was adopted would probably
be curious about who their mother was, who their father was,
if they ever had siblings, if there's you know, family
out there that they're missing. So he decided to write
to the Louise Wise Services adoption agency and ask for
his records. This was when he was informed that he
had an identical twin brother that he was separated from

(02:57):
at six months old, but that is all they were
able to tell him. They would not be able to
give him any information about his twin unless his twin
also calls and asks for this information and it's mutual.
But chances are the other twin had no idea that
he was a twin either. So Howard spent the next
two years of his life without any information about who

(03:18):
his twin was, desperately trying to find clues and answers,
and just looking at people seeing if people around look
like him. He said it was extremely haunting and frustrating,
feeling like this person could be out there, where could
they be, what kind of situation they could be in?
Is are they even alive? As Howard was growing up,
he expressed feelings of loneliness, depression, feeling like something was missing.

(03:42):
He said he always just had this feeling like you
never really had it, but something was gone and can't
really put your finger on what it is, which.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Is probably a terrible feeling.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
But in two thousand and four, Luis Y Services started
going out of business. As they were shutting down, there
was a woman there who had cancer and was dying.
She knew she was going to die, and she had
some information to tell.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
He called up Howard and she.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Told him who his twin was, his name and everything,
how to find him. And she also told him that
the reason I'm telling you this is because I'm going
to die, and you know, I have nothing to lose.
But if anyone found out that I told you this,
I'd be in big trouble. So Howard's twin was named
Doug Roush, who was living in Columbus, Ohio, and they reunited.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Two years after finding out his brother existed. Howard is
finally getting to meet him in person. Definitely.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Howard said it was the strangest thing ever, that it
was like looking in the mirror, but it was someone
you didn't know. I mean, I'm sure it was just
Trippya's hell. Very interesting to note from astrology point of
view too. You know twins most of the time. Their
birth charts are pretty much the same, if not like
slightly different. Their life paths can be similar, not exactly
what happens, but similar timing, similar events. When Doug and

(05:06):
Howard compared their lives, they couldn't believe the similarities. Both
of them had three kids at around the same time,
so the kids were about the same age. They both
coached hockey for their kids, which is odd because neither
of them even played hockey as a child, but they
both ended up with kids who.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Loved hockey so much that they ended up coaching. Just
so random.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
They got married the same year, nineteen ninety two, and
this one was really weird. But they also both hate condiments.
Now I am like the condoment queen. I love me
some good condiments, mustard, ketchup, branch, whatever it is. They
did not like any dressings or condiments, which I find
to be very unusual.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
I mean, leave a comment if you don't eat.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Any condiments either, But to eat nothing like I've definitely
heard of people that don't like mustard or ketchup or whatever,
but to just not like any type of sauce or
condiment at all is very unique and it's very odd.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
That both of them are like that.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Also focused on another set of twins, a woman named
Sharon Marella and Laurie Shinseki, who is the person who
created the documentary The Twin Reaction, actually helped Sharon find
her twin sister. Sharon was adopted by Louise Wise Services
in nineteen sixty six.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
She was forty eight years old.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
When she found out she had a twin that she
had been missing her entire life. She actually found her
twin on Facebook. They started talking. They hit it off,
and it was really odd too, because they both named
their youngest child Joshua. However, they actually had a falling
out because Sharon really wanted to take this story public
and share what Louise Wise Services did and be in
the documentary be part of the media, and her twin

(06:28):
sister did not want to. They had a big fight
over it and they no longer talk, which is incredibly
sad considering they spent the first forty eight years of
their lives not even.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Knowing each other.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
But Sharon did get to connect with her birth mother,
which was really awesome. Her mother said that she never
forgot her twins and was heartbroken when she found out
Later on that they were separated, and would never have
agreed to let them be separated if she had known,
but she found out about it after it had already
been done. This even happened for triplets. In nineteen eighty three,
nineteen year old men from the New York City area,

(07:01):
Robert Shaman, Eddie Gallant, and David Cowman, discovered that they
were identical triplets, separated at birth by Louise Wise's Services,
And it's like they had been missing each other all
of this time.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
What kind of cigarettes do you smoke? Marba? Do you
all smoke the same brand?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yes? Curious.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
How's the taste of women? Is it similar? Yes?

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Definitely?

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Did you laugh as much before you knew one another?

Speaker 1 (07:23):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
I don't think we're ever as happy. Serious, I don't
think we'reever this happy. And this is a magic moment
guards where there lived this magic. Really, it really completed
our lives.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
There were actually rumors and news stories about possibilities that
Louis Wis Services was separating babies, but there was never
any truth to it, so it was always kind of controversial.
These twins had been separated, sometimes at a really young age.
They originally did not want to separate twins that had
already spent time together.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
So they wanted it to be right at birth.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
But it turns out that Doug and Howard were separated
after six months of being together.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
They were just ripped from each other.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
All of these babies were placed with families who were
deceived about their origin. None of them knew that they
had twins or triplets or else they probably would have
adopted all of them. And it turns out that whenever
they were given up for adoption, they were also secretly,
without permission, enrolled into a secret study. All of the
people that were in these experiments remember the same things happening.
Strangers just coming into their house and being with them,

(08:25):
watching them and asking them a question. They would make
call movies of them, math questions, school questions. They were
all given several different IQ tests, developmental tests, and this
happened until they were about ten to twelve. They had
all these notes about them. It was crazy. They would
write notes about the parents saying that their house was dirty.
So whose brilliant idea was this? Doctor Viola Bernard. She

(08:48):
was actually a really respected consulting psychologist and she considered
herself to be an expert on the bond of twins
and triplets. However, she believed that twins would do better
if they were separated and raised separately. She did this
test with one of her friends, doctor Peter Neubauer. So
the parents thought that their children were in some type
of test about them being really intelligent, that their kid

(09:11):
was gifted or something, and then no idea the real
reason that they were doing these tests or what they
were looking for looking at. So basically they did this
experiment in order to test the age old debate nurture
versus nature And if you're not sure about that, I
mean you may have probably learned it in school or something.
But nature versus nurture is how much does our personality
in our life? How much of that is predetermined when

(09:32):
we're born, and how much of it is how we
are raised? How much does our environment impact us? And
the doctors purposely placed the twins with families from different
economical backgrounds because they wanted to see the stress and
the effect of stress, financial stress on one of these
kids and like what it would do to them, how
it would change based on their financial status. Doctor Bernard
and doctor Neubauer both passed away, and they never acknowledged

(09:56):
the damage that they had done to these families and
to these sets of multiple And you must be saying,
how is this legal? How can they be in an
experiment without their knowledge? Well, it actually was not a
law until nineteen seventy four that you'd have to tell
someone if you were experimenting on them, or they'd have
to have consent to be part of the experiment, which
just seems like dub but apparently this was completely legal

(10:18):
to do, so no one was ever held accountable. And
what sucks the most about this whole thing is that
they never published their study, so it was a giant
waste of time. Not only that, but they did a
great job of bearing and hiding this study so that
the participants wouldn't be able to see their information. The
documents are now controlled by the Jewish Board of Family
and Children's Services and they are sealed until twenty sixty six,

(10:40):
which is very convenient. They did it that way because
they knew that none of the participants would be alive
after that year, so basically screwing them out of ever
getting to read documents and papers on them stuff that's
about them.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
In twenty eleven, Doug and Howard both wrote.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
In to the board asking for the documents, and they
actually got a response that they were never even part
of the study, so they couldn't get access to anything,
which is bullshit.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
They were part of the study.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
They had to find proof that they were part of
the study, which is really hard to do when the
study took place years and years and years ago. Wasn't
until twenty thirteen where they were able to get a
couple of the documents. And what's really sad is they
documented the mental toll that separating.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
These boys had on them. It says that following the.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Adoption, both boys showed a decline in motor dexterity. Both
also began rocking after adoption, and one of them showed
headbanging and that continued until his second birthday. As of
right now, there are fifteen children known to be part
of the study, although there's probably a lot more, and
a lot of these people have serious mental health issues

(11:45):
and three of them, three out of fifteen, committed suicide,
and one of them is Eddie, one of the triplets
that I showed you earlier. Fifteen years after he was
reunited with his brothers, he took his own life because
he couldn't get over all of that time that he'd
spent without them, and the told that this experiment took
on these people is insane. When louise Y Services went
out of business in two thousand and four, all of

(12:07):
their records were sent to Spence Chapman Agency in New York.
They've reached out to them obviously multiple times trying to
get any information about the study, and they just stowed up.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Don't call them back. So only the.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Jewish Board has the right to release these documents, and
their most recent statements said this, The Jewish Board has
been and will continue to be committed to providing individuals
identified as part of the study access to their records
in a timely and transparent matter. We do not we
do not endorse doctor Nubauer's study, and we regret that
it ever took place. So basically, the biggest debate here

(12:37):
is who does this information really belong to.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
As of right now, it's the States and does not
belong to the people who participated in the study.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
And even though this was legal back then, there's still
a lot of debate over whether or not this should
have been done or ever have been allowed to be done.
Definitely want to know your guys' thoughts on this. If
you are a twin or a triplet and you understand
that bond, I'd love to hear your experience in the comments.
If any of you have been reunited with a sibling
or know someone who has, tell me about it, because
this is just it's so crazy to me and I

(13:07):
honestly cannot imagine what I would feel like.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
But yes, that's it for me today. Guys. If you
like stories like this and you want to.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
See some more just interesting experiments or stories kind of
different than I normally do, then definitely get this video
a thumbs up. But that's it for me today.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Guys. I hope you're having a great day and I
will see you next time.
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