April 13, 2025 • 54 mins
This podcast episode delves into the multifaceted artistry of Taylor Swift, with a particular emphasis on the intricate Easter eggs embedded within her work. Elizabeth and her father, Keith Fredrickson, explore the significance of these hidden elements, drawing parallels to their own experiences and insights. The discussion encompasses various examples of how Swift employs subtle hints in her music and public appearances, fostering a deeper connection with her audience. They contemplate the emotional resonance of her songwriting, contrasting it with the whimsical nature of other musical acts. Ultimately, this episode serves as a thoughtful exploration of the layers of meaning in Swift's artistry, inviting listeners to engage with her work on a more profound level.
Elizabeth and Keith Fredrickson engage in a thoughtful discourse centered around the multifaceted artistry of Taylor Swift, delving into the intricacies of her work as well as the deeper meanings encapsulated within her songs. The episode embarks upon an exploration of the narrative depth present in Swift's music, as well as the symbolism that permeates her artistic endeavors. Drawing parallels to other musical acts, such as the band Phish, Elizabeth articulates her admiration for the narrative layers embedded in Swift's discography, suggesting that there exists a wealth of emotional resonance within her songs that transcends mere musicality. The discussion reveals the profound connection that fans feel with Swift, as her incorporation of 'Easter eggs' and hidden messages invites listeners into an intricate world of interpretation and personal reflection. Through this analysis, the Fredricksons not only celebrate Swift's artistic genius but also highlight the communal experience of fandom that is cultivated through shared insights and interpretations of her work.
Takeaways:
- In this episode, we explore the intricate details of Taylor Swift's artistry, focusing on her use of symbolism and Easter eggs in her music and performances.
- A significant aspect of Taylor's artistry is her ability to evoke deep emotional responses through her songwriting, which we discuss in relation to her music's lyrical content.
- The concept of Easter eggs in Taylor Swift's work invites fans to engage deeply, analyzing her lyrics and visuals for hidden meanings and connections.
- We compare Taylor Swift's unique storytelling approach in her music to other artists, offering insights into how she crafts narratives that resonate with her audience.
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Phish
- Taylor Swift
- Fortnite
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(00:02):
Hello, everyone.
Welcome back to the show.
Let's Talk Taylor, episode two.
This is a podcast where wejust talk about anything and everything
related to Taylor Swift.
(00:23):
That's it.
Yep.
My name's Keith.
Do I say my name?
Yep.
I'm Elizabeth.
So.
And that's the intro.
We don't have any sponsorsright now.
No.
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(00:45):
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So what about Taylor are wegoing to discuss today?
I don't know.
You usually start us off with something.
All righty.
So yesterday we were talkingbriefly in the elevator about something
(01:08):
that interested me, and that was.
That was the fact that there's.
So when I was in high school,I loved the band Phish, and one of
the things I loved about thatband was that there was always.
There was all this extra.
It wasn't just the music.
(01:31):
There was.
There were background storiesand weird antics, and the band would
do weird things on stage.
And they just.
There was a lot more to theband than just the band.
Right.
They had, like, narratives andthey had kind of like a.
(01:53):
They had a whole.
I don't even know what to callit, like a.
Like a story that a lot oftheir music fit into.
So Taylor, even though youknow it actually.
So I think Fish is.
Their music is good, but it'svery weird music.
(02:15):
It's like very, like.
Some of it is.
Some of it is borderlinenovelty music.
You know, actually, I don'tknow how to describe it, but it's
like kind of like music.
(02:36):
Not something that's.
It's almost like music formusic's sake, not.
Or you know what.
I wasn't prepared to answerthis question about what exactly
novelty music is, because.
I've always excused them whenI started.
I've always just described something.
I'll look it up.
It's okay.
Yeah.
(02:56):
Yeah.
But anyway, so I.
I don't want to say thatTaylor's music is better than Fish's,
but I, I.
Because they do something.
They do something veryspecific and weird, and it's definitely
an acquired taste.
But.
And they have.
They have a lot of depth totheir music.
(03:17):
That's really good because the main.
The guys in the band are veryaccomplished musicians, even though
they make very silly music.
So there is a quality to it.
But I would say that Taylor'smusic is better from the standpoint
of it being.
(03:39):
Of her being, like atraditional songwriter.
Right.
I don't think Fish's music hasa very good emotional content.
You know, to me, it's likeit's not moving, you know, Whereas
Taylor, I would say that it does.
(04:00):
It is.
It's like, you know, they'resongs and they're moving songs.
You know, there's a verydramatic and emotional level of expression
to her music that Fish doesn't have.
But that's not the point.
Point of what I was saying wasthat there's a lot more to tailors
(04:24):
to the artist than just her music.
There's all this other stuff, though.
We spent last episode.
You spent the entire time justgoing through all the outfits in
one tour.
Just in the one tour.
This.
This current tour.
3 hour tour, but still one tour.
So.
One of the things that I findso interesting about her.
(04:49):
Her.
The phenomenon of Taylor as anartist is that she has all this,
I don't know, like these like,secret things and.
I don't know, like Easter eggs.
Easter eggs.
(05:11):
And would.
Would you consider.
I don't.
Maybe it's.
What's.
What's it called when you havelike, symbolism.
Right.
Do you.
So that's kind of what Ithought would be fun to talk about
(05:33):
because we came up in theelevator when we were chatting, like
this whole.
This whole thing came up and Iwas thinking it'd be interesting
to talk about all thedifferent things that she does.
Language in ela, we analyzed clean.
Oh yeah, You.
You analyze the song cleanfrom the standpoint of what, figurative
(05:55):
language.
Yeah.
So what if today does she do alot of.
So.
So the things that areinteresting about her as an artist
that are not the music.
Right.
What are those things?
(06:16):
Well, the Easter eggsdefinitely are like her big thing.
What?
So can you, like.
Do you remember what all theEaster eggs were or a lot of them?
I could think of some.
So.
Well, she likes to have Easter eggs.
She likes to put Easter eggs.
(06:36):
Like, she likes to paint her nails.
Okay.
And a lot of those.
And sometimes when she paintsher nails, they'll be like, it'll
like be an Easter egg.
Like, if she paints her nails.
I think she painted her nailspink and like the Lover color scheme.
Before Lover was announced.
(06:57):
Another example.
So hang on a second.
So before Lover was.
And the album was announced,she started.
I don't know if this is true,but it's an example.
Okay.
She started painting.
So allegedly she startedpainting her nails pink and blue
like that.
Yeah.
Okay.
And she was doing like a peacesymbol with her hands a lot and like,
(07:25):
like saying a lot of stuffabout the number two before the.
Before TTPD was released.
And then we got the twoalbums, we got the anthology.
So that was an Easter egg.
The two.
And when you say.
So when you say she was doingthe peace sign, like two and doing
(07:46):
the number two.
Where?
How?
Well, on stage she would a lot.
When she announced ttpt, shesaid that there was a secret.
They'd be.
She'd be.
She'd been keeping from themfor two years.
But she did the peace sign,she did the two thing.
(08:06):
And yeah, on stage she did itduring midnight.
Once during midnight rain.
She was a lot.
I can't name all of thembecause there were a lot, but there
were a lot.
And then she also posts likevideos and stuff and like pictures.
Like when she posted an oldvideo of her saying to which cat
(08:31):
is it?
Olivia?
I don't know, saying you'regonna get two sisters.
What is it?
Wait, Olivia who?
Her cat.
I don't know if it was Oliviaor Meredith.
It was one of them cuz itwasn't Benjamin.
So she posted a picture, a video.
A video.
It was an old video of hertelling her cat.
(08:53):
I don't know who it was.
You're going to get two sisters.
Yeah.
And what does that mean?
She posted that cuz two sisters.
She's saying that I guess youcould think about like two sisters.
Like TTPD and the anthology.
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then let me think.
(09:14):
And we also got it at 2am oh,we also got the anthology at.
2Am Trying to think of whatelse while you're thinking.
I also think it's interestingbecause if she starts doing stuff
like this, it makes you wonder.
(09:35):
It makes you wonder abouteverything she does.
Uh huh.
Yeah.
So now everything isconsidered an Easter egg.
Nothing's not an Easter egg.
Just the same way the, thesheer volume of outfits from the
last episode gave me anxiety.
Now the, the potential thateverything's an Easter egg is giving
(09:56):
me anxiety.
Do you think Taylor Swift fansare more anxious than other music
fans?
Like all this stuff.
There's just too much detail.
We should see my heart ratewhen she's playing surprise songs
like before she picks up the guitar.
You can see how it increases.
(10:17):
Just like what she gonna play?
You don't.
You don't.
We don't have a heart rate monitor.
We actually have.
Well, we have the, we have thelittle fingertip thing.
Actually we don't have it.
I have it because I stole itfor Angie's experiment and I don't
think I ever gave it back.
So it's somewhere on the table now.
All right, so.
So let's so Easter eggs.
(10:39):
What other Easter eggs were there?
Can you think of more?
Wasn't there.
Weren't there Easter eggsinside videos?
Uh huh.
Yeah.
So the.
I remember.
I kind of remember that stuffBejeweled music video had.
Was it Bejeweled?
(10:59):
Yeah, it was.
Oh, this is a good one, actually.
This is like a really simple,straightforward one.
So you know how she enters theelevator in the Bojewell music video
and then she clicks one of the buttons.
Well, she clicks a buttonthat's purple and it's three.
Because Speak now is purple.
And it's the third album.
And then she announced SpeakNow Taylor's version.
That was a reallystraightforward Easter egg.
(11:23):
So hang on a second.
So she Bejeweled is on midnights.
Yeah, so.
So Speak now.
This, the color associatedwith Speak now is purple.
Yeah.
Another anthology Easter egg.
Hold on.
So she released the Bejeweledvideo before she released Speak,
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not Taylor's version.
Yeah, and there was.
That Easter egg was in theBejeweled video.
Huh.
Okay.
All right.
So that's.
And that's pretty obvious.
Yeah, that was a reallyobvious one.
Okay.
And her thing is like clockswith like midnights and stuff.
And there was a clock and acoffee cup, like latte art.
(12:13):
There was a clock and it was.
I don't remember.
I think it was pointed to or something.
I don't remember what that wasan Easter egg for, but that was an
Easter egg or something.
So when you have a podcast,you're supposed to say leave a comment
if.
And down in the.
Leave a comment if youremember what the Easter egg that
was.
Okay, we'll do that.
(12:37):
This is like, I don't even dothat on mine, but.
So why are you telling me to.
Because you might as well do abetter job than me.
Okay, good point.
And then the other one is thenight she announced ttpd.
You remember that?
Remember when she announcedttpd and she had like the fortnite
(12:59):
dress on?
The Fortnite music video dress?
I remember that.
No.
Oh, yeah.
And she had like the blonde gloves.
I don't remember.
Well, she had like a choker onthat was black and it had like a
little clock in the middle andit was pointed at two.
Right.
That was another anthology thing.
(13:20):
So that was the fact thatthere were two discs and that it
was released at 2:00am okay.
And, well, everyone knewsomething was gonna happen at 2am
why?
Because she said it.
Oh, she posted it like to day before.
Does she.
After these Easter eggs comeout, does she confirm that they're
(13:40):
Easter eggs after the fact?
No.
Or is it just the fans havetheir own.
But if.
But nothing's accidental cuzshe is a mastermind.
So you know, we just assumethat she did it on purpose.
Yeah, well, I mean how does she.
Have time to plan these out?
I.
I do have an issue with thetwo because the fact that it was
(14:03):
a two disc set on the one handand that it was released at 2am gets
confusing.
Why?
I don't know.
Cuz what's the Easter egg for?
Is the Easter egg for therelease time or the fact that it's
two?
It's not the release time cuzshe already said the release time.
Okay, so.
Right.
Cuz you can't have an Easter egg.
(14:24):
I guess it just goes alongwith the thing, you know.
Right.
Okay.
And then.
Oh, here's another one.
You know, remember the videothat she posted?
It was in a room.
It was in a midnights room andit had midnight stuff all around
it.
And it was like the Lavenderhaze room from the Lavender Haze
music video.
And she walks out.
It's like a camera goes out ofthe midnights room and enters the
(14:47):
TTPD room.
No.
What is this again?
I'm sorry.
Oh my God.
It was the video that Taylor posted.
I showed it to you.
Oh, I remember that.
So she po.
Yeah, it was like a short.
Yeah.
And on there's.
She zooms in on a whiteboard.
Right.
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And it has a calendar on it.
Right.
And it has like you know, calendars.
Like the whiteboard calendarshave like the date, the days of the
week.
Yeah.
And then like a little likenote section underneath.
Yes.
In the notes section it hadtally marks that were.
There were 14 tally marks for Fortnite.
Because a fortnight is 14 days.
And that was an Easter egg forthe Fortnite music video.
(15:31):
Because that was.
Because then we found outthere was a Fortnite music video.
And then.
Wait, so the tally marks were14 and that was a teaser or an Easter
egg.
That that meant that there wasgoing to be a Fortnite music video.
And then.
(15:52):
And was the tone of the.
But that.
And also.
Well actually that little.
But was there.
Was there an overt purpose tothat video other than to just have
a random video that justhappened to have an Easter egg?
Or was it an announcement ofsomething else?
It wasn't an announcement.
It was just a random little animation.
But it wasn't random becauseit was filled with Easter eggs.
(16:14):
Oh, so it had all the east.
It had a bunch of Easter eggs.
There were Also Easter eggs.
I don't know if these wereEaster eggs because it's yet to be
confirmed because nothinghappened with them yet.
But I remember someone.
I saw a video about someonewho like saw like in the Midnight
room there was a table and ithad pens on it.
Like gel pens.
Colored gel pens.
Yeah.
And someone like noticed thatlike the colors meant something or
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something.
I don't know.
And I don't remember if thismeant anything.
But there were like extra desks.
There were two extra desks inthe TTPD room.
And why you call it TTPD room?
Because that was the TTPD roomthat she went in.
(16:59):
Because remember it was likekind of like a facility, like an
office building.
And it was the Midnight's room.
And then they left theMidnight room and they went into
the TTPD room.
Was the Midnights room.
Did it look.
Did it say midnights like theword midnights?
Or was it just implied that itwas a Midnight's room?
Well, if it said midnights it would.
We wouldn't be able to see itcuz it'd be on the outside of the
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door.
But it was the Midnight's roomcuz it had like the midnight finals
everywhere and it was like theMidnight's like couch.
Right.
And so when she walked intothe TTPD room, how you know it said
ttpd?
It said the torture post ofour own.
Got it, Got it.
Oh, I see.
It was like an office withlike the desk of the head of the
tortured post department.
Yeah, okay.
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Chairman.
The chairman.
Yeah.
Of the Tortured Poets Department.
All right, so that's.
Okay, so what?
But.
And you were about to say whatwas the Easter egg?
Oh, you weren't sure if it wasmeaningful that there were two extra
desks.
Yeah.
But it seems like the numbertwo was like very un.
Was kind of like the thing.
(18:04):
Yeah, yeah.
And there was another thing too.
I don't remember what day itwas, but on the calendar it had like
a star on one of the datesafter TTPD may have been like.
I don't know, I don't remember.
I thought.
(18:24):
I don't remember if somethinghappened that day.
But everyone was noticing thatthat had that.
So there was a star on a date.
What date was it?
I don't remember what date.
It wasn't a day.
It was one of the days of the week.
But it was like implied thatlike TTBD release day was on the
Friday.
Oh, was it a Friday?
Yeah.
Okay, so that was the.
That's easy.
That was a meaningful.
(18:45):
That's easy to see.
That it was.
Well, that was for ttbd, butthere was another.
The star was on a different one.
Oh, and no one figured that out?
I guess not.
I don't know.
I don't remember what date itwas on, but I remember that being
there and everyone noticingthat and then.
(19:05):
I don't know.
There's a lot.
Well, this is not random, butthis is related.
And I now I wonder.
But.
So when Taylor was young, shewas obsessed with poetry.
Right.
And the.
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And I just wonder because Iremember in high school, one of my
favorite books that I read inhigh school was called Invisible
Man.
It wasn't.
It was.
It wasn't Invisible man like aliteral invisible man.
It was about.
(19:47):
Basically it was like a blackguy who it details about all his
life, but he was.
In the end he felt that he wasinvisible because he was like.
It was almost like he wasinvisible because no one noticed
him.
But what I loved about thebook was that it was filled with
(20:09):
so much imagery.
Like, not like, like what doyou call it?
Foreshadowing?
No, no, not just for.
Well, I'm sure it had foreshadowing.
I don't remember.
But it was filled with like images.
(20:31):
Like everything had a hidden meaning.
It was very complicated.
Like the outsiders.
When we read the outside, Iwas like, how on earth could a 17
year old think of this?
Like there's something inevery sentence.
Yeah, that's how it felt.
It felt like there wasliterally something in.
There were multiple likeimages with secret meanings on like
(20:57):
every page of the book.
It was a lot and.
But I loved that because myteacher knew everyone and I just
wonder that if Taylor was.
I don't know how you can love that.
It was just fascinating, youknow, it was like.
It was like you would beexcited to go to class to.
(21:21):
Excited?
Yeah.
Cuz.
Cuz you would learn what allthe secret meanings were.
That kind of stuff.
Unless it's Taylor.
Well, that's the thing.
I wonder if.
I wonder how she got into allthis secret meaning.
Easter egg.
She likes playing with our minds.
Did she say that?
(21:42):
It's a game.
Of course it's a game.
But it's also.
It's like.
But it's a fun game in a way.
But what I wonder is if shegot to.
We get to look into her mind alittle bit.
Yeah.
It's a way to connect with herkind of, you know, on a deeper level.
So we feel like we know herkind of weird and like see what goes
on inside of her mind, you know?
(22:07):
Okay.
Yeah.
I do.
I think I do know what you mean.
What.
What other Easter eggs can youthink of?
Are all the Easter eggs there?
Seems like numbers are.
Are a big theme.
Numbers and colors are bigEaster egg themes.
(22:31):
Yeah, because there arerelease dates and.
Yeah, because most things.
Most things, like, tie back toa date.
Right.
Or like.
Yeah.
Has.
Have there been Easter eggsthat are more like.
(22:51):
What about like.
More like Easter.
Know, symbolic, like,symbolism or maybe just imagery?
Like, I don't even.
Well, I can think off the topof my head.
I think of, like, the snakeimagery for Rep.
For Reputation.
And wasn't there, like, asnake Easter egg or something?
(23:13):
Yeah, well, it gets really.
But it never bore fruitbecause there hasn't been a reputation.
Taylor's version.
Should I get into all the theories.
You should get into?
Well, actually, wait, but I.
Wait, the theory's about what?
This is more Easter eggtheories, Right?
These are Easter eggs, but noone knows yet if they're really Easter
eggs.
(23:33):
Here's reputation theory for Ireland.
That she's gonna announce itin Dublin.
Tonight's Dublin night too.
So, you know, fingers crossed.
You could always announce ittonight or tomorrow.
What day is today?
It's the 28th.
29th of June, 2024.
So TTPD.
You know the TTPD symbol?
(23:55):
Yeah, it's just letters.
Flip it upside down.
Oh, yeah, right.
It says kale.
I explained this to you.
And kale in Gaelic or Irish, Idon't know, means reputation.
So that's one of the theories, really?
Yeah.
That's insane.
I know.
(24:16):
So if you take the symbol TTPDand flip it upside down, it looks
like the word kale.
Not tail, like tail, U, E, like.
C, A, I, L.
And that means reputation in either.
And we had this conversation.
We're not sure if I think Gaelic.
And I heard someone elseactually, it was Conan O'Brien.
(24:37):
Right.
Talking about whether Gaelicis even still spoke.
That anyone actually speaks Gaelic.
My Duolingo says that thereare more people learning Gaelic on
Duolingo and, like, native speakers.
Yeah, that's good.
Trusty duo.
So that's one of the theories,right, that she's gonna announce
Reputation.
(24:58):
Taylor's version.
Yeah.
I'm not done, though.
Okay, keep on going.
Okay, so there was another.
So these are we actually.
So you don't know if they'reEaster eggs until.
Yeah, we don't know if they'reEaster eggs.
These are potential Easter eggs.
So go ahead.
She likes to fool us with redherrings, guys.
Red herrings, too.
Yeah, good.
She just like to play with us.
(25:19):
Play with our little brains.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Another one.
I don't.
I might get this one mixed upbecause this one's kind of complicated.
But before TTPD was released,Target had already set up their vinyl
displays, and we're gonna fillthem after TTPD was released.
And they got the shimmervinyls, but the little labels on
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them said Serpent and had a barcode.
And when you scan the barcode,it brought her to the website.
And, like, the thing was theerror 321 thing.
And three, two, one is like.
I don't know, it's like a bigthing with Taylor.
Like, a lot of times herwebsite crashes, it'll say error
(26:05):
code 321.
I think that.
I think it crashed before sheannounced TTPD too.
So, like, they don't reallycrash randomly.
But do you think.
Well, do you think her websitecrashes on purpose?
You're nodding.
Yes, because this is a podcast.
(26:28):
So hang on a second.
So first of all, now I'm confused.
So, like, they'll shut downyour website and they'll put error
code 321.
Okay, so hang on a second.
So when you go to Target specifically.
Yeah, I think it was Target.
And you go to.
That's the only place whereyou can.
The vinyl.
The vinyl would have abarcode, and this is the barcode.
(26:52):
But this was before TTPD was released.
Oh.
Like, the vinyl displays wereset up, like, previous to ttpd and
they were going to fill themafter TTPD was, like, released.
And the barcode on the littlestickers that were, like, labels
for them, it said Serpent.
And then it had a barcode.
And when you scan the barcode,it brought it to the website to the
(27:20):
error code 321.
So but 321 isn't just, like,her website crashing.
I think it was like a pagethat said error code 321.
But sometimes when her websitecrashes, it says error code 321.
And there was like a.
Like a YouTube short that sheposted once that said error code
321.
Oh.
(27:42):
So part of me feels like she'sprobably just screwing you with you
all.
Yeah.
Because that's most likely.
Maybe it just really did crash.
And then she said, well, whydon't I just capitalize on this and
make a YouTube short where Ishow that and make people think it
means more than that.
But then.
But then when you scan thebarcode, it brings you to an error
(28:03):
code 321 website.
I'll keep going with this one.
So there were also thingsthere were humongous barcodes that
popped up in a few locations.
I think there was probably onein Florida.
There's one in, like, Chicago.
I don't know.
Seattle maybe.
(28:24):
I don't know.
I could be wrong with thoselocations, but it's probably one
of those.
I think there were a few ofthem and there was, like, huge barcodes
that were made up of.
They weren't barcodes.
What is it?
The things that you scan withyour phone.
They're.
Yeah, they're called bar.
Oh, no, I'm sorry.
You mean like a URL?
Yeah.
(28:44):
You mean.
Not barcode.
Like a straight up and downlines, like when you're scanning
at the store.
One of those.
Yeah.
I forget what they're called,but yes, the square one.
That's more like acheckerboard type of.
So there were a few of thosethat popped up in, like, random locations.
They were, like, big.
And they were all made up of, like.
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They were all made up ofthree, two ones, I think, like, three,
two, one.
Three, two, one.
Everywhere.
I'm pretty sure.
And when you scan that, I'mpretty sure it also took you two
and error code three, 321 thing.
I don't know.
I butchered that entire thing.
That's probably really wrong.
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Well, but I know that thosebarcodes existed and that they were
something with 3, 2, 1.
So what's interesting is that.
So you're saying those.
Those billboards popped up invarious places.
One of them was Florida.
Did the other locations.
Because she has a song called Florida.
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So Florida is like a bigthing, I think, with Matty Healy.
So that's why Florida is like,a thing.
Because something happened inFlorida and there's like, a pinpoint.
There was like a TTPD Spotifypop up that had, like, a bunch of
like.
It was like two bookshelvesand it had, like, a lot of books
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on them and like, ttpd, like,things like open books.
And they also had sort oflike, Easter eggs that have, like,
lyrics from songs that are onthe anthology.
Yeah.
That would be.
Yeah, those are like, teasesor something.
Yeah.
Okay.
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Because if you listen to that,you don't notice any.
Or just like, what's going on.
Yeah.
And then because, like, therewere like, four main, like, lyrics
that she used.
I love you, it's ruined mylife, which is from Fortnite.
Old habits Die screaming,which is on.
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Which is from the Black Dog,which is on the.
Which is on the anthology.
So that would have been, like,if you didn't realize, like, where
was that there's another.
There's a Led Zeppelin songcalled Black Dog, and it was one
of the first songs I learnedon guitar.
That's cool.
It's a hard song to play on guitar.
So it wasn't my first song.
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It was, like, the second or third.
Just random.
Okay, so.
So wait, the bookshelf waswhere the bookshelf was.
I think it was.
I don't know.
Was it a video?
No, no, no.
You said it was in a Spotify.
You can do.
You could, like, go to.
Yeah.
Because Spotify has some sortof interactive functionality, right?
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Yeah.
And it had a globe on it, Ithink that had a pinpoint in Florida.
Oh, specifically in Florida.
Well, maybe it was the townDestin, Florida, that she mentions.
I saw a video at Destin,Florida, and it was, like, so pretty.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Oh, she describes it as, like,some ratty.
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Like, you think it's actually.
No, she's about it, like, it'sa distant.
Like, it's like a vacation spot.
It might be one of those.
So pretty, though.
I think it's somewhere like, Floridians.
Is that what they call them?
Floridians?
People who live in Florida?
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're like their ownspecies, I guess.
We were talking about, like,that's, like, where, like, they go
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to vacation.
I saw a video.
Oh, Floridians go to desert.
I saw a video about it, andthere were a bunch of people.
People from Florida in the comments.
Like, don't tell them about it now.
They're all gonna come here.
They probably are.
Yeah.
It looked so pretty, though.
And that's.
Yeah.
Wait, so I don't.
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Were you done with the.
With the.
Yeah, because I'm pretty sureeverything I'm saying.
Easter eggs.
Wrong.
Yeah.
Wait, but so what about more?
What about more?
Because it's not out yet.
Reputation.
Taylor's version.
Easter eggs.
Well, there's not really any.
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Like, the Easter eggs are,like, a wide thing.
But there's more, like, theories.
Yeah.
What are all the theories fromEaster eggs?
Kind of.
Yeah.
Trying to think of something.
I said the main one.
There was another one.
The main one is the one thatshe's going to announce it while
she's in Dublin.
Yeah.
That one's our current one now.
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How many have there been thathaven't come through?
Well, my.
Wasn't there another one?
Starter one.
Yeah, the starter one.
Some people.
Because I remember you weregetting all excited.
Yeah.
Some people thought she wasgonna announce it on my birthday,
which is the release date of reputation.
November 10th.
Oh, on your birthday?
Yeah.
Oh, I thought she meant her birthday.
No, who.
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Who thought you were.
She was gonna announce it on her.
A lot of people.
Cause that's the release dateof Reputation.
That was the original release date.
Yeah, yeah.
So some people thought that,and then that didn't happen.
But it wasn't real.
It was released on yourbirthday, but not your birth year.
No, was.
It was.
How old were you whenReputation came out?
Okay.
And then it was November 26th.
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I remember that.
But it was November 26th.
What was that based on?
Because I don't remember whatthat was, but I remember those surprise
songs that she played that night.
I was like about to take ashower and I was watching a live
stream just like trying to gether to hurry up.
She played say don't go onguitar and it's time to go on piano.
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I remember that.
And then there was a lot.
I don't really remember anyother ones except for, like the most
recent ones, which wereLondon, which you didn't do anything
for.
Trying to remember what thetheory was for London.
Wait.
Yeah, what was the theory?
So she was just in London.
I don't remember what theexact theory was, but a big part
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of it was that the first datein London was June 13, which is her
half birthday.
Oh, I remember this.
Okay.
It was June 13th, which is herhalf birthday.
And then June also.
Six is rep.
Is the sixth album.
What else?
Oh.
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There were more six references.
Oh, and then I had a big thingwhere I was like looking at her outfits
and the first London night oneor night two.
I don't remember if it was one.
One or two.
Yeah, I think it was one.
She repeated outfits six times.
And then London night two, shehad three.
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Well, wait, I'm sorry, hold ona second.
In.
In night two in London inJune, she repeated album.
She repeated her outfit six times?
Yeah.
How did she do that?
I don't remember if sherepeated the outfit six times or
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she wore six outfits.
No, she wears more than six outfits.
Okay, but I'm trying to remember.
Cause like, I got like workedup about this.
Because.
But then she.
Actually, I think it might bethat there were six outfits that
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she didn't repeat.
And all the other outfits sherepeated like she wore the same outfit
as the last show.
You know what I'm talking about?
Oh, I see.
So yeah.
And then she.
But she didn't repeat six of them.
And then night two, she wore three.
Like she wore the outfit threetimes in a row.
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Like if it was like a threetime repeat and there were six of
those.
And that's also counting theTTPD dress and reputation outfit,
which never changes.
So I don't know if that wouldcount, but she.
It was six, so.
And the past one is the Dublin.
One today, which I explainedthese are.
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How do you know that therewere six left out or that.
That she did that?
There were three that were repeated.
There were six that wererepeated three times.
You can see it in, like, achart somewhere.
Well, I have my.
I explained this to you yesterday.
Yeah.
How, like, when you pay forit, when you get the premium, you
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can see.
See her outfit history.
Yeah.
And it'll show you which ones.
It'll show you, like, theoutfit history for, like, the lever
body suit.
And you can scroll down, youcan scroll through all of the shows
and it'll show you the outfit,the lever bodysuit for each show.
And I'll do that with all theoutfits, including the lover guitar.
That sounds like it's kind oflabor intensive for something that's
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like.
Kind of doesn't really even,like, result in anything.
Yeah.
What else is there?
What more Easter eggs were there?
Or wait, were you done withthe re.
So what about.
Were there other reputation theories?
There are so many people comeup with so many of them, it's impossible
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to know all of them.
And I don't really know that many.
What do you.
What do they do?
Just like, post them on, like,a thread or something?
I don't know, like a chat or something.
Or where.
Where do you see them being posted?
Or they just Instagram, justin the comments?
Yeah.
I have a Taylor.
There's like a Taylor socialmedia app called Taylor Time.
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There's a social media wherepeople post about Taylor.
Is it.
What's the format like?
It's similar to Instagram, butit's all Taylor.
And you have to get, like aninvite code.
You have to message them toget an invite code so you can get
the app pin join.
Did you get it?
Yeah.
Do you go on that much?
No.
Yeah.
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It's basically Instagram.
It's just all 50s.
All right, let's make sure wedon't forget any Easter eggs or any
weird theories.
Is there another good coupleof Easter eggs?
I have an Easter egg.
Kind of.
Yeah.
She posted a video of hertraining for the ERAs tour.
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And throughout that video,there were multiple hints and, like,
videos of her practicing forthe TTPD set before the TTPD set
was added.
Like during, like, the breakin between Paris and whatever show
was the last show.
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Say it again.
So there was she took a breakfrom the Interstore.
And during that.
Oh, I remember that was released.
And she also posted a videoafter TTPD was released of her training
for the Harris tour.
And in that video, there weremultiple clips of her practicing
dances and, like, parts of theshow that were in the TTPD set.
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Like, you could see her, like,during Fortnite.
She was practicing for Fortnite.
She was, like, holding on tothe TTPD sign.
That's like a.
Like a metal sign.
A white metal sign.
And then you could see herpracticing for I can do the Broken
Heart.
Because her backup dancershave, like, canes and, like, the
hats and, like, the feathers.
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But there was no sound.
Or they replaced it with the difference.
They replaced it withsomething else.
But.
But so.
And this was before TTBD was released.
Yeah.
People all saw.
Oh, and she was also wearingthe shoes that she wore in the Fortnite
music video, which was also,like, a hint.
Yeah.
Because then.
Because when you watch.
If you've already seen thetour, which most people have already
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seen it by.
Then, it's like, that's not there.
They just.
You don't recognize theoutfits, you don't recognize the
dance moves, and you start tothink, oh, there's something's getting
added.
But did you know by thenexactly when it was going to be released?
It had already been released.
Tdvd.
Yeah.
And Fortnite.
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It was in between when TTVDwas released.
And the Fortnite music video.
No, Fortnite music videoalready been released, too.
Oh, so it's in between.
Yeah.
So you didn't know if.
So she released the album, butno one was sure if she was going
to add the songs to the tour.
Yeah.
Until she released a video ofher practice.
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Until she posted that video.
And everyone was like, yeah, obviously.
Pretty sure that's gonna happen.
Because, like, it was, like,the back of dancers with, like, the
canes and the hats was like,that's weird.
That's like, not in the show.
And then there was the TTBD sign.
I was like, okay.
And the.
The Fortnite shoes.
I also did see a video of herplaying all too well a while ago,
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though.
And she was wearing the shoesthat she wears in the Fortnite music
video.
Oh, I have another theory.
So it was like a doubletheory, I think.
So in the Bejeweled musicvideo, I don't remember what her
name is.
The one that we were talkingabout last night when we were doing.
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The other night, when we weredoing the Taylor Trivia, it was like,
the lady that was in the bejeweled.
Like, the stripper lady,whatever her name is.
I don't know that.
Mommy.
Is she literally.
Literally a stripper, or isshe a stripper?
In the video?
In the video.
But they're, like, laying intwo huge, like, cocktail glasses.
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Like martini glasses.
Yeah.
And the bases of both of them,one of them resembles Big Ben, and
the other one resembles theEiffel Tower.
So that was a past theory, andit doesn't really do anything anymore,
but.
But yeah.
And she also wore these shoes once.
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They're like black shoes, butthe heels different.
They're like glass heels.
And you know how you can get,like, a photo engraved into glass?
And it's, like, in the glass.
It's like that.
And one of the heels has BigBen in it, and the other one has
the Eiffel Tower and thosecocktail glasses.
Like, when you flipped Big Benupside down, it had, like, the same
structural, like, things ofBig Ben, like the stem of the glass
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and the same thing for theother one for the Eiffel Tower.
Wait, when you flip it up.
What?
What do you mean?
Why would you want to flip itupside down?
I don't know.
Because they were looking at,and they thought that it, like, looked
similar, so they flipped itupside down, and it was like it matched
up perfectly.
Like, the lines that you couldsee, like, on Big Ben were the same
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lines on the stem of one glass.
Okay, so the stem of the glasswasn't literally Big Ben.
No, but it looked like it.
It had, like, the samestructural patterns and stuff.
Got it.
And so I saw that theory, andthey thought that something that
started in Paris, like, TTPDset was gonna, like, end or something
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was gonna change or it wasgonna change in Paris.
I mean, in London.
But nothing happened.
Yeah, but didn't.
But wasn't that where thebreak was between London and Paris?
No.
Oh, London was last.
That was her last show.
She was in London, and nowshe's in Dublin.
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So people thought that wasgoing to be a theory.
Yeah, well, I only saw one.
That it was an Easter egg.
Yeah, I thought it was kind ofcool that they noticed that, but
it.
In the end, it wasn't anEaster egg or anything like that.
But I have another theory.
So she has two songs thatmeant that are, like, London, London.
She's.
A lot of songs that are likethat mention London.
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Wait, but.
Okay, yeah, she played twosongs that mentioned London.
I don't know how many songsshe played, actually, that mentioned
London, but she played twothat I know of that the Black Dog
and come back.
Be here, and come back.
Be here.
She says, how is it in London?
She has literal song called.
Yeah, I'm Gonna get to that.
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I'll get to that.
And then in the Black Dog,it's talking about a bar called the
Black Dog.
And I guess it's kind ofmentioning London because it's talking
about Joe.
So I guess the Black Dog wouldtheoretically be in London.
Is there.
Is there a bar named the Black Dog?
I'd have to look that up.
You better look that up.
Yeah, I think there is a barcalled the Black Dog.
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I wonder if it's in London orif it's in.
Well, there may be multiple atthis point.
But surprisingly, throughoutall three nights, she didn't play
London Boy, and she didn'tplay so Long London.
So this is like a really loosetheory that has nothing to back it
up, but maybe she'll go backto London and instead of something
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ending last London, it'll beending in the future London.
So something didn't happenlast London, but something might
happen this London, like thenext one, if she goes back to London.
Because she said that theHeiress tour is going to end in December.
But I also saw something abouther actually announcing tour dates.
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Do you.
Hang on a second.
Yeah, because maybe you guys are.
Let's just.
Let's just talk about thisfrom a very pure, like, abstract,
artistic perspective.
Right.
She has this.
This thing with London and Paris.
Right.
London is a theme for her.
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Yeah.
So is Paris also Paris?
Yeah.
So didn't she date the British guy?
Which one?
I don't know.
There's a lot.
There's more than one British guy.
There's more than two.
There's more than two British guys.
Who are they?
Harry Styles.
Oh, yeah, Harry.
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Maddie Healey.
I don't.
Is there any more?
Maddie Healey's also British.
Yeah.
So she's nasty looking.
Maybe it's that.
Maybe it's that she just.
It just.
It's not an Easter egg at all.
But.
But it is meaningful.
What's Paris?
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Yeah.
Maybe it's not.
There's not an Easter egg.
Something coming up.
Why are they recurring together?
Just because it's meaningfulsymbolism that she uses.
Right.
Like maybe it has to do with.
The fact that she loves aLondon boy.
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Right.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe one of the relationshipsended in Paris.
You know?
I don't know.
Look, I.
It could be, but.
I'm not gonna listen to you.
I'm just saying it could be.
They could.
It could be just the symbolismbut not any particular Easter egg.
You know, trying to portendsome future event.
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It could literally just belike, oh, it means something.
Just not sure what it is, youknow, that.
48 minutes.
What time?
What time is it?
Literally?
Yeah.
2:21.
Taylor's coming on soon.
What time?
2:30, I think.
Okay, so we have to finish up soon.
Yeah.
Because we have to.
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We can't go past 60 minutes.
Yeah, I just wanted to.
So I had to.
Before you went on that, wewent down that rabbit hole on that
stuff, I was saying, hey, what.
What other?
Like, before we have to go,what other Easter eggs or notable
Easter eggs or symbolism canyou think of?
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Like, just brain dump it.
Well, is there anything else?
I can think of symbolism insongs, but I can't really think of
Easter egg symbolism.
Is there any.
Are there any Easter eggs in songs?
That would be interesting.
Well, this is not really, but.
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Oh, well, something cool isHits different, which is.
Some people can consider itthe last song on Midnights because
it was, like, the last song tobe released on Midnights, but it
wasn't really the last song onMidnights, is it?
But it.
Was it an actual song onMidnights or is it like a bonus track
or something?
It was written on Midnights,but it's like a bonus track.
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So it's more of a bonus track.
But like on Midnight, so TillDawn Edition, it has all the songs
and hits different.
Is last.
Okay, fine.
But she says one of, like, thelast lines is like, I heard your
key turn in the door.
Is it okay, Is it you?
Or have they come to take me away?
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And then in Fortnite, thefirst line was, I was supposed to
be sent away, but they forgotto come and get me.
Oh, which is kind of cool.
Like, lines up.
Yeah, that's interesting.
I kind of like stuff like that.
Yeah.
One really cool thing she didis she partnered with Apple Music
to make, like, a series.
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Oh, yeah.
So she, like, formed together,like a lyric.
So each day I remember.
You remember this.
Because I was, like, crazyabout this each day.
She had five playlists.
I think there were five songs,and there was, like, one that was
like, I love you.
It's ruining my life, Oldhabits die screaming.
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All of those, like, the lyricsof DTPD that she was associating
with DTPD at the time beforeit was released.
And there were playlists andit had, like, different songs in
them.
And each day she picked a songfrom that playlist and she would
put a clue in the video and,like, the prior video of, like, when
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it said what song it was and,like, what.
It said what word it was.
And she would pick that onesong and make all the letters lowercase,
but capitalize some of the letters.
And it would spell a letter.
It would spell a word.
And you had to unscramble it.
And I think it ended up spelling.
We heard.
I.
We hereby declare thispostmortem because that's the first
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lyric of.
How did it end?
I don't know.
It didn't really mean much,but it was kind of fun.
Although it was part of the Anthology.
Wait, how did it end?
Is part of ttbd?
Yeah, the anthology.
Oh, I'm so.
So that came out before TTBDcame out or.
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No, no, it came out after.
Yeah, the anthology is, like,second part.
Remember the one that shereleased at 2:00am it was two.
I.
Yes.
I just.
What I'm saying.
I'm just so.
It wasn't really.
It's not an Easter egg.
It's just sort of like.
(51:50):
I don't know, I guess youcould just say, like, she was highlighting
that lyric or something.
Yeah, but in a.
In a kind of a secret way.
Yeah, but she likes to add little.
Things she likes to add to her songs.
Yeah.
One of my favorite things isin Betty and August, you know, like
the folklore love triangle.
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And, like, Betty, August,Cardigan and Betty in August at the
same times in the songs.
I don't remember what it was,but I remember that three numbers
added up to 13.
And in both of those it says,like, in August it was, remember
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when I pulled up and said, getin your car?
And then in Betty it said.
Hold.
On now, I can't remember.
No, it was, remember when youpulled up and said, get in my car?
Okay, I can't remember.
But the lyrics are, like,reminiscing on the same moment.
(52:55):
Oh, really?
The same universe.
Yeah.
And.
And they're at the same timein the songs that add up to 13.
Wait, so.
But you don't remember theother lyric?
I don't remember the otherlyric, but it was something about
James pulling up and someoneto get in the car.
So it's literally likedescribing the same scene.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
It's not like the same exactlyric, and it's not, like, from the
same viewpoint, but.
Okay.
Practically the same.
Yeah.
Same moment.
That's cool.
Yeah.
All right.
We're getting up on time.
Let's.
We don't have to do an hourlong every single time.
(53:37):
But I could talk about Taylor forever.
I know.
Well, let's hope so.
So you.
What you need to do now istell people to like and subscribe.
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(53:58):
They can't.
You write.
No, you write the show notes.
Okay.
They can comment like andsubscribe, y'all.
Smash that, like, button.
Don't ever say that.
That's one of the most cringythings people say.
Definitely.
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Cool.
Cool.
See ya.
See ya.
Hello, everyone.
Welcome back to the show.
Let's Talk Taylor, episode two.
This is a podcast where wejust talk about anything and everything
related to Taylor Swift.
(00:23):
That's it.
Yep.
My name's Keith.
Do I say my name?
Yep.
I'm Elizabeth.
So.
And that's the intro.
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So what about Taylor are wegoing to discuss today?
I don't know.
You usually start us off with something.
All righty.
So yesterday we were talkingbriefly in the elevator about something
(01:08):
that interested me, and that was.
That was the fact that there's.
So when I was in high school,I loved the band Phish, and one of
the things I loved about thatband was that there was always.
There was all this extra.
It wasn't just the music.
(01:31):
There was.
There were background storiesand weird antics, and the band would
do weird things on stage.
And they just.
There was a lot more to theband than just the band.
Right.
They had, like, narratives andthey had kind of like a.
(01:53):
They had a whole.
I don't even know what to callit, like a.
Like a story that a lot oftheir music fit into.
So Taylor, even though youknow it actually.
So I think Fish is.
Their music is good, but it'svery weird music.
(02:15):
It's like very, like.
Some of it is.
Some of it is borderlinenovelty music.
You know, actually, I don'tknow how to describe it, but it's
like kind of like music.
(02:36):
Not something that's.
It's almost like music formusic's sake, not.
Or you know what.
I wasn't prepared to answerthis question about what exactly
novelty music is, because.
I've always excused them whenI started.
I've always just described something.
I'll look it up.
It's okay.
Yeah.
(02:56):
Yeah.
But anyway, so I.
I don't want to say thatTaylor's music is better than Fish's,
but I, I.
Because they do something.
They do something veryspecific and weird, and it's definitely
an acquired taste.
But.
And they have.
They have a lot of depth totheir music.
(03:17):
That's really good because the main.
The guys in the band are veryaccomplished musicians, even though
they make very silly music.
So there is a quality to it.
But I would say that Taylor'smusic is better from the standpoint
of it being.
(03:39):
Of her being, like atraditional songwriter.
Right.
I don't think Fish's music hasa very good emotional content.
You know, to me, it's likeit's not moving, you know, Whereas
Taylor, I would say that it does.
(04:00):
It is.
It's like, you know, they'resongs and they're moving songs.
You know, there's a verydramatic and emotional level of expression
to her music that Fish doesn't have.
But that's not the point.
Point of what I was saying wasthat there's a lot more to tailors
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to the artist than just her music.
There's all this other stuff, though.
We spent last episode.
You spent the entire time justgoing through all the outfits in
one tour.
Just in the one tour.
This.
This current tour.
3 hour tour, but still one tour.
So.
One of the things that I findso interesting about her.
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Her.
The phenomenon of Taylor as anartist is that she has all this,
I don't know, like these like,secret things and.
I don't know, like Easter eggs.
Easter eggs.
(05:11):
And would.
Would you consider.
I don't.
Maybe it's.
What's.
What's it called when you havelike, symbolism.
Right.
Do you.
So that's kind of what Ithought would be fun to talk about
(05:33):
because we came up in theelevator when we were chatting, like
this whole.
This whole thing came up and Iwas thinking it'd be interesting
to talk about all thedifferent things that she does.
Language in ela, we analyzed clean.
Oh yeah, You.
You analyze the song cleanfrom the standpoint of what, figurative
(05:55):
language.
Yeah.
So what if today does she do alot of.
So.
So the things that areinteresting about her as an artist
that are not the music.
Right.
What are those things?
(06:16):
Well, the Easter eggsdefinitely are like her big thing.
What?
So can you, like.
Do you remember what all theEaster eggs were or a lot of them?
I could think of some.
So.
Well, she likes to have Easter eggs.
She likes to put Easter eggs.
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Like, she likes to paint her nails.
Okay.
And a lot of those.
And sometimes when she paintsher nails, they'll be like, it'll
like be an Easter egg.
Like, if she paints her nails.
I think she painted her nailspink and like the Lover color scheme.
Before Lover was announced.
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Another example.
So hang on a second.
So before Lover was.
And the album was announced,she started.
I don't know if this is true,but it's an example.
Okay.
She started painting.
So allegedly she startedpainting her nails pink and blue
like that.
Yeah.
Okay.
And she was doing like a peacesymbol with her hands a lot and like,
(07:25):
like saying a lot of stuffabout the number two before the.
Before TTPD was released.
And then we got the twoalbums, we got the anthology.
So that was an Easter egg.
The two.
And when you say.
So when you say she was doingthe peace sign, like two and doing
(07:46):
the number two.
Where?
How?
Well, on stage she would a lot.
When she announced ttpt, shesaid that there was a secret.
They'd be.
She'd be.
She'd been keeping from themfor two years.
But she did the peace sign,she did the two thing.
(08:06):
And yeah, on stage she did itduring midnight.
Once during midnight rain.
She was a lot.
I can't name all of thembecause there were a lot, but there
were a lot.
And then she also posts likevideos and stuff and like pictures.
Like when she posted an oldvideo of her saying to which cat
(08:31):
is it?
Olivia?
I don't know, saying you'regonna get two sisters.
What is it?
Wait, Olivia who?
Her cat.
I don't know if it was Oliviaor Meredith.
It was one of them cuz itwasn't Benjamin.
So she posted a picture, a video.
A video.
It was an old video of hertelling her cat.
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I don't know who it was.
You're going to get two sisters.
Yeah.
And what does that mean?
She posted that cuz two sisters.
She's saying that I guess youcould think about like two sisters.
Like TTPD and the anthology.
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then let me think.
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And we also got it at 2am oh,we also got the anthology at.
2Am Trying to think of whatelse while you're thinking.
I also think it's interestingbecause if she starts doing stuff
like this, it makes you wonder.
(09:35):
It makes you wonder abouteverything she does.
Uh huh.
Yeah.
So now everything isconsidered an Easter egg.
Nothing's not an Easter egg.
Just the same way the, thesheer volume of outfits from the
last episode gave me anxiety.
Now the, the potential thateverything's an Easter egg is giving
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me anxiety.
Do you think Taylor Swift fansare more anxious than other music
fans?
Like all this stuff.
There's just too much detail.
We should see my heart ratewhen she's playing surprise songs
like before she picks up the guitar.
You can see how it increases.
(10:17):
Just like what she gonna play?
You don't.
You don't.
We don't have a heart rate monitor.
We actually have.
Well, we have the, we have thelittle fingertip thing.
Actually we don't have it.
I have it because I stole itfor Angie's experiment and I don't
think I ever gave it back.
So it's somewhere on the table now.
All right, so.
So let's so Easter eggs.
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What other Easter eggs were there?
Can you think of more?
Wasn't there.
Weren't there Easter eggsinside videos?
Uh huh.
Yeah.
So the.
I remember.
I kind of remember that stuffBejeweled music video had.
Was it Bejeweled?
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Yeah, it was.
Oh, this is a good one, actually.
This is like a really simple,straightforward one.
So you know how she enters theelevator in the Bojewell music video
and then she clicks one of the buttons.
Well, she clicks a buttonthat's purple and it's three.
Because Speak now is purple.
And it's the third album.
And then she announced SpeakNow Taylor's version.
That was a reallystraightforward Easter egg.
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So hang on a second.
So she Bejeweled is on midnights.
Yeah, so.
So Speak now.
This, the color associatedwith Speak now is purple.
Yeah.
Another anthology Easter egg.
Hold on.
So she released the Bejeweledvideo before she released Speak,
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not Taylor's version.
Yeah, and there was.
That Easter egg was in theBejeweled video.
Huh.
Okay.
All right.
So that's.
And that's pretty obvious.
Yeah, that was a reallyobvious one.
Okay.
And her thing is like clockswith like midnights and stuff.
And there was a clock and acoffee cup, like latte art.
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There was a clock and it was.
I don't remember.
I think it was pointed to or something.
I don't remember what that wasan Easter egg for, but that was an
Easter egg or something.
So when you have a podcast,you're supposed to say leave a comment
if.
And down in the.
Leave a comment if youremember what the Easter egg that
was.
Okay, we'll do that.
(12:37):
This is like, I don't even dothat on mine, but.
So why are you telling me to.
Because you might as well do abetter job than me.
Okay, good point.
And then the other one is thenight she announced ttpd.
You remember that?
Remember when she announcedttpd and she had like the fortnite
(12:59):
dress on?
The Fortnite music video dress?
I remember that.
No.
Oh, yeah.
And she had like the blonde gloves.
I don't remember.
Well, she had like a choker onthat was black and it had like a
little clock in the middle andit was pointed at two.
Right.
That was another anthology thing.
(13:20):
So that was the fact thatthere were two discs and that it
was released at 2:00am okay.
And, well, everyone knewsomething was gonna happen at 2am
why?
Because she said it.
Oh, she posted it like to day before.
Does she.
After these Easter eggs comeout, does she confirm that they're
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Easter eggs after the fact?
No.
Or is it just the fans havetheir own.
But if.
But nothing's accidental cuzshe is a mastermind.
So you know, we just assumethat she did it on purpose.
Yeah, well, I mean how does she.
Have time to plan these out?
I.
I do have an issue with thetwo because the fact that it was
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a two disc set on the one handand that it was released at 2am gets
confusing.
Why?
I don't know.
Cuz what's the Easter egg for?
Is the Easter egg for therelease time or the fact that it's
two?
It's not the release time cuzshe already said the release time.
Okay, so.
Right.
Cuz you can't have an Easter egg.
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I guess it just goes alongwith the thing, you know.
Right.
Okay.
And then.
Oh, here's another one.
You know, remember the videothat she posted?
It was in a room.
It was in a midnights room andit had midnight stuff all around
it.
And it was like the Lavenderhaze room from the Lavender Haze
music video.
And she walks out.
It's like a camera goes out ofthe midnights room and enters the
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TTPD room.
No.
What is this again?
I'm sorry.
Oh my God.
It was the video that Taylor posted.
I showed it to you.
Oh, I remember that.
So she po.
Yeah, it was like a short.
Yeah.
And on there's.
She zooms in on a whiteboard.
Right.
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And it has a calendar on it.
Right.
And it has like you know, calendars.
Like the whiteboard calendarshave like the date, the days of the
week.
Yeah.
And then like a little likenote section underneath.
Yes.
In the notes section it hadtally marks that were.
There were 14 tally marks for Fortnite.
Because a fortnight is 14 days.
And that was an Easter egg forthe Fortnite music video.
(15:31):
Because that was.
Because then we found outthere was a Fortnite music video.
And then.
Wait, so the tally marks were14 and that was a teaser or an Easter
egg.
That that meant that there wasgoing to be a Fortnite music video.
And then.
(15:52):
And was the tone of the.
But that.
And also.
Well actually that little.
But was there.
Was there an overt purpose tothat video other than to just have
a random video that justhappened to have an Easter egg?
Or was it an announcement ofsomething else?
It wasn't an announcement.
It was just a random little animation.
But it wasn't random becauseit was filled with Easter eggs.
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Oh, so it had all the east.
It had a bunch of Easter eggs.
There were Also Easter eggs.
I don't know if these wereEaster eggs because it's yet to be
confirmed because nothinghappened with them yet.
But I remember someone.
I saw a video about someonewho like saw like in the Midnight
room there was a table and ithad pens on it.
Like gel pens.
Colored gel pens.
Yeah.
And someone like noticed thatlike the colors meant something or
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something.
I don't know.
And I don't remember if thismeant anything.
But there were like extra desks.
There were two extra desks inthe TTPD room.
And why you call it TTPD room?
Because that was the TTPD roomthat she went in.
(16:59):
Because remember it was likekind of like a facility, like an
office building.
And it was the Midnight's room.
And then they left theMidnight room and they went into
the TTPD room.
Was the Midnights room.
Did it look.
Did it say midnights like theword midnights?
Or was it just implied that itwas a Midnight's room?
Well, if it said midnights it would.
We wouldn't be able to see itcuz it'd be on the outside of the
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door.
But it was the Midnight's roomcuz it had like the midnight finals
everywhere and it was like theMidnight's like couch.
Right.
And so when she walked intothe TTPD room, how you know it said
ttpd?
It said the torture post ofour own.
Got it, Got it.
Oh, I see.
It was like an office withlike the desk of the head of the
tortured post department.
Yeah, okay.
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Chairman.
The chairman.
Yeah.
Of the Tortured Poets Department.
All right, so that's.
Okay, so what?
But.
And you were about to say whatwas the Easter egg?
Oh, you weren't sure if it wasmeaningful that there were two extra
desks.
Yeah.
But it seems like the numbertwo was like very un.
Was kind of like the thing.
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Yeah, yeah.
And there was another thing too.
I don't remember what day itwas, but on the calendar it had like
a star on one of the datesafter TTPD may have been like.
I don't know, I don't remember.
I thought.
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I don't remember if somethinghappened that day.
But everyone was noticing thatthat had that.
So there was a star on a date.
What date was it?
I don't remember what date.
It wasn't a day.
It was one of the days of the week.
But it was like implied thatlike TTBD release day was on the
Friday.
Oh, was it a Friday?
Yeah.
Okay, so that was the.
That's easy.
That was a meaningful.
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That's easy to see.
That it was.
Well, that was for ttbd, butthere was another.
The star was on a different one.
Oh, and no one figured that out?
I guess not.
I don't know.
I don't remember what date itwas on, but I remember that being
there and everyone noticingthat and then.
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I don't know.
There's a lot.
Well, this is not random, butthis is related.
And I now I wonder.
But.
So when Taylor was young, shewas obsessed with poetry.
Right.
And the.
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And I just wonder because Iremember in high school, one of my
favorite books that I read inhigh school was called Invisible
Man.
It wasn't.
It was.
It wasn't Invisible man like aliteral invisible man.
It was about.
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Basically it was like a blackguy who it details about all his
life, but he was.
In the end he felt that he wasinvisible because he was like.
It was almost like he wasinvisible because no one noticed
him.
But what I loved about thebook was that it was filled with
(20:09):
so much imagery.
Like, not like, like what doyou call it?
Foreshadowing?
No, no, not just for.
Well, I'm sure it had foreshadowing.
I don't remember.
But it was filled with like images.
(20:31):
Like everything had a hidden meaning.
It was very complicated.
Like the outsiders.
When we read the outside, Iwas like, how on earth could a 17
year old think of this?
Like there's something inevery sentence.
Yeah, that's how it felt.
It felt like there wasliterally something in.
There were multiple likeimages with secret meanings on like
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every page of the book.
It was a lot and.
But I loved that because myteacher knew everyone and I just
wonder that if Taylor was.
I don't know how you can love that.
It was just fascinating, youknow, it was like.
It was like you would beexcited to go to class to.
(21:21):
Excited?
Yeah.
Cuz.
Cuz you would learn what allthe secret meanings were.
That kind of stuff.
Unless it's Taylor.
Well, that's the thing.
I wonder if.
I wonder how she got into allthis secret meaning.
Easter egg.
She likes playing with our minds.
Did she say that?
(21:42):
It's a game.
Of course it's a game.
But it's also.
It's like.
But it's a fun game in a way.
But what I wonder is if shegot to.
We get to look into her mind alittle bit.
Yeah.
It's a way to connect with herkind of, you know, on a deeper level.
So we feel like we know herkind of weird and like see what goes
on inside of her mind, you know?
(22:07):
Okay.
Yeah.
I do.
I think I do know what you mean.
What.
What other Easter eggs can youthink of?
Are all the Easter eggs there?
Seems like numbers are.
Are a big theme.
Numbers and colors are bigEaster egg themes.
(22:31):
Yeah, because there arerelease dates and.
Yeah, because most things.
Most things, like, tie back toa date.
Right.
Or like.
Yeah.
Has.
Have there been Easter eggsthat are more like.
(22:51):
What about like.
More like Easter.
Know, symbolic, like,symbolism or maybe just imagery?
Like, I don't even.
Well, I can think off the topof my head.
I think of, like, the snakeimagery for Rep.
For Reputation.
And wasn't there, like, asnake Easter egg or something?
(23:13):
Yeah, well, it gets really.
But it never bore fruitbecause there hasn't been a reputation.
Taylor's version.
Should I get into all the theories.
You should get into?
Well, actually, wait, but I.
Wait, the theory's about what?
This is more Easter eggtheories, Right?
These are Easter eggs, but noone knows yet if they're really Easter
eggs.
(23:33):
Here's reputation theory for Ireland.
That she's gonna announce itin Dublin.
Tonight's Dublin night too.
So, you know, fingers crossed.
You could always announce ittonight or tomorrow.
What day is today?
It's the 28th.
29th of June, 2024.
So TTPD.
You know the TTPD symbol?
(23:55):
Yeah, it's just letters.
Flip it upside down.
Oh, yeah, right.
It says kale.
I explained this to you.
And kale in Gaelic or Irish, Idon't know, means reputation.
So that's one of the theories, really?
Yeah.
That's insane.
I know.
(24:16):
So if you take the symbol TTPDand flip it upside down, it looks
like the word kale.
Not tail, like tail, U, E, like.
C, A, I, L.
And that means reputation in either.
And we had this conversation.
We're not sure if I think Gaelic.
And I heard someone elseactually, it was Conan O'Brien.
(24:37):
Right.
Talking about whether Gaelicis even still spoke.
That anyone actually speaks Gaelic.
My Duolingo says that thereare more people learning Gaelic on
Duolingo and, like, native speakers.
Yeah, that's good.
Trusty duo.
So that's one of the theories,right, that she's gonna announce
Reputation.
(24:58):
Taylor's version.
Yeah.
I'm not done, though.
Okay, keep on going.
Okay, so there was another.
So these are we actually.
So you don't know if they'reEaster eggs until.
Yeah, we don't know if they'reEaster eggs.
These are potential Easter eggs.
So go ahead.
She likes to fool us with redherrings, guys.
Red herrings, too.
Yeah, good.
She just like to play with us.
(25:19):
Play with our little brains.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Another one.
I don't.
I might get this one mixed upbecause this one's kind of complicated.
But before TTPD was released,Target had already set up their vinyl
displays, and we're gonna fillthem after TTPD was released.
And they got the shimmervinyls, but the little labels on
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them said Serpent and had a barcode.
And when you scan the barcode,it brought her to the website.
And, like, the thing was theerror 321 thing.
And three, two, one is like.
I don't know, it's like a bigthing with Taylor.
Like, a lot of times herwebsite crashes, it'll say error
(26:05):
code 321.
I think that.
I think it crashed before sheannounced TTPD too.
So, like, they don't reallycrash randomly.
But do you think.
Well, do you think her websitecrashes on purpose?
You're nodding.
Yes, because this is a podcast.
(26:28):
So hang on a second.
So first of all, now I'm confused.
So, like, they'll shut downyour website and they'll put error
code 321.
Okay, so hang on a second.
So when you go to Target specifically.
Yeah, I think it was Target.
And you go to.
That's the only place whereyou can.
The vinyl.
The vinyl would have abarcode, and this is the barcode.
(26:52):
But this was before TTPD was released.
Oh.
Like, the vinyl displays wereset up, like, previous to ttpd and
they were going to fill themafter TTPD was, like, released.
And the barcode on the littlestickers that were, like, labels
for them, it said Serpent.
And then it had a barcode.
And when you scan the barcode,it brought it to the website to the
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error code 321.
So but 321 isn't just, like,her website crashing.
I think it was like a pagethat said error code 321.
But sometimes when her websitecrashes, it says error code 321.
And there was like a.
Like a YouTube short that sheposted once that said error code
321.
Oh.
(27:42):
So part of me feels like she'sprobably just screwing you with you
all.
Yeah.
Because that's most likely.
Maybe it just really did crash.
And then she said, well, whydon't I just capitalize on this and
make a YouTube short where Ishow that and make people think it
means more than that.
But then.
But then when you scan thebarcode, it brings you to an error
(28:03):
code 321 website.
I'll keep going with this one.
So there were also thingsthere were humongous barcodes that
popped up in a few locations.
I think there was probably onein Florida.
There's one in, like, Chicago.
I don't know.
Seattle maybe.
(28:24):
I don't know.
I could be wrong with thoselocations, but it's probably one
of those.
I think there were a few ofthem and there was, like, huge barcodes
that were made up of.
They weren't barcodes.
What is it?
The things that you scan withyour phone.
They're.
Yeah, they're called bar.
Oh, no, I'm sorry.
You mean like a URL?
Yeah.
(28:44):
You mean.
Not barcode.
Like a straight up and downlines, like when you're scanning
at the store.
One of those.
Yeah.
I forget what they're called,but yes, the square one.
That's more like acheckerboard type of.
So there were a few of thosethat popped up in, like, random locations.
They were, like, big.
And they were all made up of, like.
(29:06):
They were all made up ofthree, two ones, I think, like, three,
two, one.
Three, two, one.
Everywhere.
I'm pretty sure.
And when you scan that, I'mpretty sure it also took you two
and error code three, 321 thing.
I don't know.
I butchered that entire thing.
That's probably really wrong.
(29:27):
Well, but I know that thosebarcodes existed and that they were
something with 3, 2, 1.
So what's interesting is that.
So you're saying those.
Those billboards popped up invarious places.
One of them was Florida.
Did the other locations.
Because she has a song called Florida.
(29:48):
So Florida is like a bigthing, I think, with Matty Healy.
So that's why Florida is like,a thing.
Because something happened inFlorida and there's like, a pinpoint.
There was like a TTPD Spotifypop up that had, like, a bunch of
like.
It was like two bookshelvesand it had, like, a lot of books
(30:12):
on them and like, ttpd, like,things like open books.
And they also had sort oflike, Easter eggs that have, like,
lyrics from songs that are onthe anthology.
Yeah.
That would be.
Yeah, those are like, teasesor something.
Yeah.
Okay.
(30:32):
Because if you listen to that,you don't notice any.
Or just like, what's going on.
Yeah.
And then because, like, therewere like, four main, like, lyrics
that she used.
I love you, it's ruined mylife, which is from Fortnite.
Old habits Die screaming,which is on.
(30:52):
Which is from the Black Dog,which is on the.
Which is on the anthology.
So that would have been, like,if you didn't realize, like, where
was that there's another.
There's a Led Zeppelin songcalled Black Dog, and it was one
of the first songs I learnedon guitar.
That's cool.
It's a hard song to play on guitar.
So it wasn't my first song.
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It was, like, the second or third.
Just random.
Okay, so.
So wait, the bookshelf waswhere the bookshelf was.
I think it was.
I don't know.
Was it a video?
No, no, no.
You said it was in a Spotify.
You can do.
You could, like, go to.
Yeah.
Because Spotify has some sortof interactive functionality, right?
(31:35):
Yeah.
And it had a globe on it, Ithink that had a pinpoint in Florida.
Oh, specifically in Florida.
Well, maybe it was the townDestin, Florida, that she mentions.
I saw a video at Destin,Florida, and it was, like, so pretty.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Oh, she describes it as, like,some ratty.
(31:57):
Like, you think it's actually.
No, she's about it, like, it'sa distant.
Like, it's like a vacation spot.
It might be one of those.
So pretty, though.
I think it's somewhere like, Floridians.
Is that what they call them?
Floridians?
People who live in Florida?
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're like their ownspecies, I guess.
We were talking about, like,that's, like, where, like, they go
(32:19):
to vacation.
I saw a video.
Oh, Floridians go to desert.
I saw a video about it, andthere were a bunch of people.
People from Florida in the comments.
Like, don't tell them about it now.
They're all gonna come here.
They probably are.
Yeah.
It looked so pretty, though.
And that's.
Yeah.
Wait, so I don't.
(32:40):
Were you done with the.
With the.
Yeah, because I'm pretty sureeverything I'm saying.
Easter eggs.
Wrong.
Yeah.
Wait, but so what about more?
What about more?
Because it's not out yet.
Reputation.
Taylor's version.
Easter eggs.
Well, there's not really any.
(33:01):
Like, the Easter eggs are,like, a wide thing.
But there's more, like, theories.
Yeah.
What are all the theories fromEaster eggs?
Kind of.
Yeah.
Trying to think of something.
I said the main one.
There was another one.
The main one is the one thatshe's going to announce it while
she's in Dublin.
Yeah.
That one's our current one now.
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How many have there been thathaven't come through?
Well, my.
Wasn't there another one?
Starter one.
Yeah, the starter one.
Some people.
Because I remember you weregetting all excited.
Yeah.
Some people thought she wasgonna announce it on my birthday,
which is the release date of reputation.
November 10th.
Oh, on your birthday?
Yeah.
Oh, I thought she meant her birthday.
No, who.
(33:42):
Who thought you were.
She was gonna announce it on her.
A lot of people.
Cause that's the release dateof Reputation.
That was the original release date.
Yeah, yeah.
So some people thought that,and then that didn't happen.
But it wasn't real.
It was released on yourbirthday, but not your birth year.
No, was.
It was.
How old were you whenReputation came out?
Okay.
And then it was November 26th.
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I remember that.
But it was November 26th.
What was that based on?
Because I don't remember whatthat was, but I remember those surprise
songs that she played that night.
I was like about to take ashower and I was watching a live
stream just like trying to gether to hurry up.
She played say don't go onguitar and it's time to go on piano.
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I remember that.
And then there was a lot.
I don't really remember anyother ones except for, like the most
recent ones, which wereLondon, which you didn't do anything
for.
Trying to remember what thetheory was for London.
Wait.
Yeah, what was the theory?
So she was just in London.
I don't remember what theexact theory was, but a big part
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of it was that the first datein London was June 13, which is her
half birthday.
Oh, I remember this.
Okay.
It was June 13th, which is herhalf birthday.
And then June also.
Six is rep.
Is the sixth album.
What else?
Oh.
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There were more six references.
Oh, and then I had a big thingwhere I was like looking at her outfits
and the first London night oneor night two.
I don't remember if it was one.
One or two.
Yeah, I think it was one.
She repeated outfits six times.
And then London night two, shehad three.
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Well, wait, I'm sorry, hold ona second.
In.
In night two in London inJune, she repeated album.
She repeated her outfit six times?
Yeah.
How did she do that?
I don't remember if sherepeated the outfit six times or
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she wore six outfits.
No, she wears more than six outfits.
Okay, but I'm trying to remember.
Cause like, I got like workedup about this.
Because.
But then she.
Actually, I think it might bethat there were six outfits that
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she didn't repeat.
And all the other outfits sherepeated like she wore the same outfit
as the last show.
You know what I'm talking about?
Oh, I see.
So yeah.
And then she.
But she didn't repeat six of them.
And then night two, she wore three.
Like she wore the outfit threetimes in a row.
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Like if it was like a threetime repeat and there were six of
those.
And that's also counting theTTPD dress and reputation outfit,
which never changes.
So I don't know if that wouldcount, but she.
It was six, so.
And the past one is the Dublin.
One today, which I explainedthese are.
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How do you know that therewere six left out or that.
That she did that?
There were three that were repeated.
There were six that wererepeated three times.
You can see it in, like, achart somewhere.
Well, I have my.
I explained this to you yesterday.
Yeah.
How, like, when you pay forit, when you get the premium, you
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can see.
See her outfit history.
Yeah.
And it'll show you which ones.
It'll show you, like, theoutfit history for, like, the lever
body suit.
And you can scroll down, youcan scroll through all of the shows
and it'll show you the outfit,the lever bodysuit for each show.
And I'll do that with all theoutfits, including the lover guitar.
That sounds like it's kind oflabor intensive for something that's
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like.
Kind of doesn't really even,like, result in anything.
Yeah.
What else is there?
What more Easter eggs were there?
Or wait, were you done withthe re.
So what about.
Were there other reputation theories?
There are so many people comeup with so many of them, it's impossible
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to know all of them.
And I don't really know that many.
What do you.
What do they do?
Just like, post them on, like,a thread or something?
I don't know, like a chat or something.
Or where.
Where do you see them being posted?
Or they just Instagram, justin the comments?
Yeah.
I have a Taylor.
There's like a Taylor socialmedia app called Taylor Time.
(38:27):
There's a social media wherepeople post about Taylor.
Is it.
What's the format like?
It's similar to Instagram, butit's all Taylor.
And you have to get, like aninvite code.
You have to message them toget an invite code so you can get
the app pin join.
Did you get it?
Yeah.
Do you go on that much?
No.
Yeah.
(38:47):
It's basically Instagram.
It's just all 50s.
All right, let's make sure wedon't forget any Easter eggs or any
weird theories.
Is there another good coupleof Easter eggs?
I have an Easter egg.
Kind of.
Yeah.
She posted a video of hertraining for the ERAs tour.
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And throughout that video,there were multiple hints and, like,
videos of her practicing forthe TTPD set before the TTPD set
was added.
Like during, like, the breakin between Paris and whatever show
was the last show.
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Say it again.
So there was she took a breakfrom the Interstore.
And during that.
Oh, I remember that was released.
And she also posted a videoafter TTPD was released of her training
for the Harris tour.
And in that video, there weremultiple clips of her practicing
dances and, like, parts of theshow that were in the TTPD set.
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Like, you could see her, like,during Fortnite.
She was practicing for Fortnite.
She was, like, holding on tothe TTPD sign.
That's like a.
Like a metal sign.
A white metal sign.
And then you could see herpracticing for I can do the Broken
Heart.
Because her backup dancershave, like, canes and, like, the
hats and, like, the feathers.
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But there was no sound.
Or they replaced it with the difference.
They replaced it withsomething else.
But.
But so.
And this was before TTBD was released.
Yeah.
People all saw.
Oh, and she was also wearingthe shoes that she wore in the Fortnite
music video, which was also,like, a hint.
Yeah.
Because then.
Because when you watch.
If you've already seen thetour, which most people have already
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seen it by.
Then, it's like, that's not there.
They just.
You don't recognize theoutfits, you don't recognize the
dance moves, and you start tothink, oh, there's something's getting
added.
But did you know by thenexactly when it was going to be released?
It had already been released.
Tdvd.
Yeah.
And Fortnite.
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It was in between when TTVDwas released.
And the Fortnite music video.
No, Fortnite music videoalready been released, too.
Oh, so it's in between.
Yeah.
So you didn't know if.
So she released the album, butno one was sure if she was going
to add the songs to the tour.
Yeah.
Until she released a video ofher practice.
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Until she posted that video.
And everyone was like, yeah, obviously.
Pretty sure that's gonna happen.
Because, like, it was, like,the back of dancers with, like, the
canes and the hats was like,that's weird.
That's like, not in the show.
And then there was the TTBD sign.
I was like, okay.
And the.
The Fortnite shoes.
I also did see a video of herplaying all too well a while ago,
(41:35):
though.
And she was wearing the shoesthat she wears in the Fortnite music
video.
Oh, I have another theory.
So it was like a doubletheory, I think.
So in the Bejeweled musicvideo, I don't remember what her
name is.
The one that we were talkingabout last night when we were doing.
(41:57):
The other night, when we weredoing the Taylor Trivia, it was like,
the lady that was in the bejeweled.
Like, the stripper lady,whatever her name is.
I don't know that.
Mommy.
Is she literally.
Literally a stripper, or isshe a stripper?
In the video?
In the video.
But they're, like, laying intwo huge, like, cocktail glasses.
(42:19):
Like martini glasses.
Yeah.
And the bases of both of them,one of them resembles Big Ben, and
the other one resembles theEiffel Tower.
So that was a past theory, andit doesn't really do anything anymore,
but.
But yeah.
And she also wore these shoes once.
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They're like black shoes, butthe heels different.
They're like glass heels.
And you know how you can get,like, a photo engraved into glass?
And it's, like, in the glass.
It's like that.
And one of the heels has BigBen in it, and the other one has
the Eiffel Tower and thosecocktail glasses.
Like, when you flipped Big Benupside down, it had, like, the same
structural, like, things ofBig Ben, like the stem of the glass
(43:08):
and the same thing for theother one for the Eiffel Tower.
Wait, when you flip it up.
What?
What do you mean?
Why would you want to flip itupside down?
I don't know.
Because they were looking at,and they thought that it, like, looked
similar, so they flipped itupside down, and it was like it matched
up perfectly.
Like, the lines that you couldsee, like, on Big Ben were the same
(43:30):
lines on the stem of one glass.
Okay, so the stem of the glasswasn't literally Big Ben.
No, but it looked like it.
It had, like, the samestructural patterns and stuff.
Got it.
And so I saw that theory, andthey thought that something that
started in Paris, like, TTPDset was gonna, like, end or something
(43:53):
was gonna change or it wasgonna change in Paris.
I mean, in London.
But nothing happened.
Yeah, but didn't.
But wasn't that where thebreak was between London and Paris?
No.
Oh, London was last.
That was her last show.
She was in London, and nowshe's in Dublin.
(44:16):
So people thought that wasgoing to be a theory.
Yeah, well, I only saw one.
That it was an Easter egg.
Yeah, I thought it was kind ofcool that they noticed that, but
it.
In the end, it wasn't anEaster egg or anything like that.
But I have another theory.
So she has two songs thatmeant that are, like, London, London.
She's.
A lot of songs that are likethat mention London.
(44:38):
Wait, but.
Okay, yeah, she played twosongs that mentioned London.
I don't know how many songsshe played, actually, that mentioned
London, but she played twothat I know of that the Black Dog
and come back.
Be here, and come back.
Be here.
She says, how is it in London?
She has literal song called.
Yeah, I'm Gonna get to that.
(44:58):
I'll get to that.
And then in the Black Dog,it's talking about a bar called the
Black Dog.
And I guess it's kind ofmentioning London because it's talking
about Joe.
So I guess the Black Dog wouldtheoretically be in London.
Is there.
Is there a bar named the Black Dog?
I'd have to look that up.
You better look that up.
Yeah, I think there is a barcalled the Black Dog.
(45:21):
I wonder if it's in London orif it's in.
Well, there may be multiple atthis point.
But surprisingly, throughoutall three nights, she didn't play
London Boy, and she didn'tplay so Long London.
So this is like a really loosetheory that has nothing to back it
up, but maybe she'll go backto London and instead of something
(45:45):
ending last London, it'll beending in the future London.
So something didn't happenlast London, but something might
happen this London, like thenext one, if she goes back to London.
Because she said that theHeiress tour is going to end in December.
But I also saw something abouther actually announcing tour dates.
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Do you.
Hang on a second.
Yeah, because maybe you guys are.
Let's just.
Let's just talk about thisfrom a very pure, like, abstract,
artistic perspective.
Right.
She has this.
This thing with London and Paris.
Right.
London is a theme for her.
(46:28):
Yeah.
So is Paris also Paris?
Yeah.
So didn't she date the British guy?
Which one?
I don't know.
There's a lot.
There's more than one British guy.
There's more than two.
There's more than two British guys.
Who are they?
Harry Styles.
Oh, yeah, Harry.
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Maddie Healey.
I don't.
Is there any more?
Maddie Healey's also British.
Yeah.
So she's nasty looking.
Maybe it's that.
Maybe it's that she just.
It just.
It's not an Easter egg at all.
But.
But it is meaningful.
What's Paris?
(47:10):
Yeah.
Maybe it's not.
There's not an Easter egg.
Something coming up.
Why are they recurring together?
Just because it's meaningfulsymbolism that she uses.
Right.
Like maybe it has to do with.
The fact that she loves aLondon boy.
(47:31):
Right.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe one of the relationshipsended in Paris.
You know?
I don't know.
Look, I.
It could be, but.
I'm not gonna listen to you.
I'm just saying it could be.
They could.
It could be just the symbolismbut not any particular Easter egg.
You know, trying to portendsome future event.
(47:55):
It could literally just belike, oh, it means something.
Just not sure what it is, youknow, that.
48 minutes.
What time?
What time is it?
Literally?
Yeah.
2:21.
Taylor's coming on soon.
What time?
2:30, I think.
Okay, so we have to finish up soon.
Yeah.
Because we have to.
(48:15):
We can't go past 60 minutes.
Yeah, I just wanted to.
So I had to.
Before you went on that, wewent down that rabbit hole on that
stuff, I was saying, hey, what.
What other?
Like, before we have to go,what other Easter eggs or notable
Easter eggs or symbolism canyou think of?
(48:36):
Like, just brain dump it.
Well, is there anything else?
I can think of symbolism insongs, but I can't really think of
Easter egg symbolism.
Is there any.
Are there any Easter eggs in songs?
That would be interesting.
Well, this is not really, but.
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Oh, well, something cool isHits different, which is.
Some people can consider itthe last song on Midnights because
it was, like, the last song tobe released on Midnights, but it
wasn't really the last song onMidnights, is it?
But it.
Was it an actual song onMidnights or is it like a bonus track
or something?
It was written on Midnights,but it's like a bonus track.
(49:20):
So it's more of a bonus track.
But like on Midnight, so TillDawn Edition, it has all the songs
and hits different.
Is last.
Okay, fine.
But she says one of, like, thelast lines is like, I heard your
key turn in the door.
Is it okay, Is it you?
Or have they come to take me away?
(49:40):
And then in Fortnite, thefirst line was, I was supposed to
be sent away, but they forgotto come and get me.
Oh, which is kind of cool.
Like, lines up.
Yeah, that's interesting.
I kind of like stuff like that.
Yeah.
One really cool thing she didis she partnered with Apple Music
to make, like, a series.
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Oh, yeah.
So she, like, formed together,like a lyric.
So each day I remember.
You remember this.
Because I was, like, crazyabout this each day.
She had five playlists.
I think there were five songs,and there was, like, one that was
like, I love you.
It's ruining my life, Oldhabits die screaming.
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All of those, like, the lyricsof DTPD that she was associating
with DTPD at the time beforeit was released.
And there were playlists andit had, like, different songs in
them.
And each day she picked a songfrom that playlist and she would
put a clue in the video and,like, the prior video of, like, when
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it said what song it was and,like, what.
It said what word it was.
And she would pick that onesong and make all the letters lowercase,
but capitalize some of the letters.
And it would spell a letter.
It would spell a word.
And you had to unscramble it.
And I think it ended up spelling.
We heard.
I.
We hereby declare thispostmortem because that's the first
(51:07):
lyric of.
How did it end?
I don't know.
It didn't really mean much,but it was kind of fun.
Although it was part of the Anthology.
Wait, how did it end?
Is part of ttbd?
Yeah, the anthology.
Oh, I'm so.
So that came out before TTBDcame out or.
(51:29):
No, no, it came out after.
Yeah, the anthology is, like,second part.
Remember the one that shereleased at 2:00am it was two.
I.
Yes.
I just.
What I'm saying.
I'm just so.
It wasn't really.
It's not an Easter egg.
It's just sort of like.
(51:50):
I don't know, I guess youcould just say, like, she was highlighting
that lyric or something.
Yeah, but in a.
In a kind of a secret way.
Yeah, but she likes to add little.
Things she likes to add to her songs.
Yeah.
One of my favorite things isin Betty and August, you know, like
the folklore love triangle.
(52:10):
And, like, Betty, August,Cardigan and Betty in August at the
same times in the songs.
I don't remember what it was,but I remember that three numbers
added up to 13.
And in both of those it says,like, in August it was, remember
(52:31):
when I pulled up and said, getin your car?
And then in Betty it said.
Hold.
On now, I can't remember.
No, it was, remember when youpulled up and said, get in my car?
Okay, I can't remember.
But the lyrics are, like,reminiscing on the same moment.
(52:55):
Oh, really?
The same universe.
Yeah.
And.
And they're at the same timein the songs that add up to 13.
Wait, so.
But you don't remember theother lyric?
I don't remember the otherlyric, but it was something about
James pulling up and someoneto get in the car.
So it's literally likedescribing the same scene.
(53:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
It's not like the same exactlyric, and it's not, like, from the
same viewpoint, but.
Okay.
Practically the same.
Yeah.
Same moment.
That's cool.
Yeah.
All right.
We're getting up on time.
Let's.
We don't have to do an hourlong every single time.
(53:37):
But I could talk about Taylor forever.
I know.
Well, let's hope so.
So you.
What you need to do now istell people to like and subscribe.
Leave a rating and review, andthat's comment in the show notes.
Comment not in the show notes.
(53:58):
They can't.
You write.
No, you write the show notes.
Okay.
They can comment like andsubscribe, y'all.
Smash that, like, button.
Don't ever say that.
That's one of the most cringythings people say.
Definitely.
(54:18):
Cool.
Cool.
See ya.
See ya.
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