May 13, 2025 • 36 mins
This podcast episode delves into the nuanced discussion surrounding the implications of discussing Taylor Swift's relationships, particularly focusing on her former boyfriends. I, Elizabeth Fredrickson, alongside my father, Keith Fredrickson, explore the ethical considerations and societal impacts of reducing a multifaceted individual to their romantic entanglements. The conversation reflects on how such discussions can diminish the recognition of Taylor's artistry and personal identity. We acknowledge the tension between public interest and personal privacy, particularly in the context of a celebrity who often intertwines her experiences in her music. Ultimately, we emphasize the importance of respecting individual narratives beyond mere labels, advocating for a more respectful discourse surrounding public figures.
The discourse presented by Elizabeth and Keith Fredrickson offers a profound examination of the public's fixation on Taylor Swift's romantic relationships, framed within a broader commentary on identity and privacy. Throughout the episode, the duo articulates a critical perspective on the implications of defining individuals by their associations, particularly in the case of a luminary like Swift. They assert that such tendencies not only diminish the individual's accomplishments but also perpetuate a narrative that is often reductive and disrespectful.
The Fredricksons meticulously dissect the relationship between Swift's personal life and her musical oeuvre, contemplating how her lyrics reflect her experiences while also serving as a medium for public consumption. They pose vital questions regarding the ethics of discussing her past relationships, suggesting that while Swift may choose to incorporate elements of her personal life into her art, it does not grant the public carte blanche to dissect her identity based solely on her romantic affiliations. This nuanced discussion invites listeners to reflect on their own perceptions of celebrity culture and the often invasive scrutiny that accompanies it.
As the episode progresses, the Fredricksons shift focus to specific songs that encapsulate Swift's experiences, engaging in a dialogue that highlights the intersection of artistry and personal narrative. Their analysis underscores the importance of viewing Swift as an artist in her own right, rather than merely a figure defined by her romantic history. This episode not only enriches the listener's understanding of Taylor Swift's artistry but also challenges them to rethink the narratives they embrace regarding public figures. The Fredricksons' earnest approach fosters a thoughtful conversation that resonates with contemporary issues of identity, respect, and the nature of fame.
Takeaways:
- The discussion emphasizes the importance of respecting Taylor Swift's privacy despite her public persona.
- We identified the negative implications of discussing Taylor's relationships, which can reduce her individuality.
- The speakers explore how Taylor's songwriting often references her past relationships, making them a topic of public interest.
- Elizabeth and Keith express the need for a balanced approach when discussing celebrities and their private lives.
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- TMZ
- Travis
- Maddie Healy
- Joe Alwyn
- Harry Styles
- Jake Gyllenhaal
- Tim McGraw
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(00:03):
Well, here we are again.
This is let's Talk TaylorEpisode 3.
Do you like a podcast voicewhere your voice gets really low?
Yeah, no, I'm not doing thaton purpose.
I actually think I have aslight cold, so my voice is a little
(00:23):
bit lower as a result.
I'm not doing that on purposeat all.
Really?
Because I feel like you'rejust talking much higher.
I'm not now.
I'm just talking normally.
Really?
Yeah.
This is normal for me right now.
But it wasn't normal just asecond ago.
No, before we started.
What do you mean?
It was much higher than thatone before we started.
(00:47):
Oh, because you know why?
Because I.
Whenever the recording thinggoes on, I slow down so I don't rush
through things.
Okay, so this is let's TalkTaylor episode three.
(01:07):
We were trying to think oftopics for this episode, and I suggested
talking about all Taylor's boyfriends.
And you said we shouldn't dothat because it's not nice.
It's not.
And I agree.
It's kind of like low vibration.
(01:30):
I don't know if that's whatit's supposed to mean, but.
Okay, well, you know, it'skind of like.
Like a tabloid or like a TMZsort of thing.
We don't want to be like tmz, so.
But.
So.
But then we decided we weregoing to talk about why it's not
nice to talk about Taylor's boyfriends.
Yeah.
(01:51):
Why do you think?
Because it's mean.
Why is it mean?
Because it's like reducing herto someone, to only her boyfriends.
You know, that's like makingher boyfriends a part of her personality,
(02:12):
which they're not.
Well, yeah.
She's just a normal person.
Guess what?
I'm gonna play devil'sadvocate on this.
I'm gonna play devil's advocate.
What's that mean?
It means I'm gonna take theother side of the argument for the
purpose of.
Well, I don't want to talkabout this the whole time.
(02:34):
I still think we should justcover it a little bit because I have
a different opinion.
Actually, now that we startedtalking, I sort of realized something.
It is true that it's, youknow, perhaps someone's private life,
even if they're a public figure.
They are.
(02:54):
Their privacy should behonored to a certain extent.
Right.
So I think that that may be.
That may be something to consider.
But I also think that somebodylike Taylor, who's so public about
her love life, who writes about.
(03:16):
But she isn't always maybe.
Right.
She isn't Always.
But, like, she does writeabout her boyfriends and songs.
They're like, it's prettyobvious who's who.
And for a lot of the songs,not always, but sometimes.
So some of it is actually.
Some of her relationships areactually times.
Not when they're actually dating.
(03:37):
Oh, it's like afterward.
Right.
Because by that time she'llhave written a song about them.
So I think that some of herboyfriends are fair game.
The ex boyfriends.
What do you mean?
Well, I think if she's writtena song, then I think it's your hands.
I think it's.
I think it's probably fairgame to talk about her ex boyfriends
(04:03):
if they're in the song.
If it's the topic of the songin relation to the lyrics of the
song, I think it's fair.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Do you.
Can you think of, off the topof your head, a bunch of songs and
what men or boys they areassociated with?
(04:26):
Yeah.
Do you wanna.
Can you think of a bunch ofthem or do you want to run and get
your phone?
I can.
You can just think of them.
My phone's also right here,but I can't.
Because you could look them upon your phone if you want to.
Just start listing them off.
I think that would be fun.
I can.
Well, torture post apartment'sreally easy.
Okay.
Because.
(04:46):
So high school and the alchemy.
Well, maybe the alchemy.
Most likely the alchemyprobably, definitely are about Travis.
We love Travis.
So Travis, the alchemy, andthen which one?
So high school.
So high school.
And some people think, butdaddy, I love him is about Travis,
but I don't really know about that.
(05:07):
Okay, why don't you think itis or it isn't?
Well, I don't know, because,like, it's about, like.
I think that I've heard thatit's kind of about, like, her.
Like, either, like, Maddie or Joe.
Like, in the beginning, it'slike, it starts off with Maddie or
Joe, and at the end it's aboutTravis when she says, like, but even
my daddy just loves him, you know?
(05:30):
But then, like.
But in the beginning, like, noone likes him because he's, like,
not good.
And he's kind of like, why ishe not good?
Because he's like, he just.
They don't have the sameenergy, you know, he's kind of like
her and Maddie Healey.
Oh, Matt Healey.
It's Maddie.
Matty Healey.
Well, I don't know anythingabout Maddie Healy's energy.
(05:51):
He's really bad.
If you see photos of themtogether, she always looks so put
together and, like, brightand, like, cheery and, like, she
has, like, good posture andshe's, like, all, like, done up.
And then he's, like, slouchedover with his bad posture, smoking
a cigarette.
And then he's, like, really weird.
And, like, he does, like, thisthing at his concerts.
(06:12):
He kisses all the girls in thefront row.
It's so weird.
It's really weird.
No.
And then he told someone once,and, like, someone was like, can
I have a kiss, Maddie?
And he was like, no, I don'tkiss people when I have.
When I'm dating someone.
But that's such a lie becausehe cheated on Taylor, like, five
times.
Oh, wow.
(06:35):
Four times, as we know.
Chloe and gang.
Huh?
So hold on.
Oh, wait a minute.
So that song is about them too?
Yeah.
So?
Well, it's just about Maddie.
But isn't there a song withChloe in the name?
Yeah, Chloe or sang withSophia Marcus.
(06:55):
That's what we call it now.
Chloe and Gang.
Because no one feels likesaying the entire song title, so.
So are those the people thathe cheated on her with?
Well, they're probably not thesame people, but it's about that.
So Chloe and who?
Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus?
So did she.
Did he cheat on her with a manas well?
(07:17):
Probably.
I don't know.
That's complicated.
I don't really know anything.
I know he cheated a lot.
Wow.
And I'm pretty sure Joe.
She did, too.
But I didn't know that.
I liked Joe a lot, actually.
So Joe was nice.
Let's go back to naming allthe songs.
Okay.
Yeah.
(07:37):
So then Chloe, Sam, Sophia, Marcus.
That Matty Healy Fortnight isalso about Matty Healy.
Fresh out this fresh.
Wait.
Yeah.
Fresh out the Slammer is alsoabout Maddie.
Healing the Black Dog is about Joe.
I think, actually, it might be about.
(07:57):
I think it's about Joe.
I don't really know.
LOML is about Joe, obviously.
How do you know?
Because it's about, like, how,like, they had, like, a whole life
together that was supposed tohappen, and then he just, like, left
her.
Okay.
You know?
Yeah.
(08:18):
What does LOML stand for?
Love of my Life.
Love my Life.
Loss of my life.
Yes.
Got it.
Well, it's like she says, loveof my life.
At the end, she says, you'rethe loss of my life, you know, because,
like, they had, like, a wholelife together, and, like, she was,
like, looking forward to it.
And, like, now she's, like, sosad that that never Happened, you
(08:39):
know, she left her.
You know, so then let me think.
What else is there?
Guilty as Sins about Matty Healy?
I think Guilty as Sin is alsoon Torture Poets.
Yeah, Dad, I love how you'rejust saying torture Poets.
That's, like, so swifty of you.
(09:00):
Thank you.
Yes.
Trying to think.
Well, the manuscript.
This doesn't really count,kind of.
But the manuscript is aboutall of her boyfriends, basically,
and, like, her life and howshe's, like, kind of, like, leaving
behind all of that.
Yeah.
(09:20):
And she's, like, entering,like, a new thing.
I guess it's kind of aboutTravis in that way.
Maybe that's how I'minterpreting it, but I don't know.
And then trying to think, oh,Peter is about Matty Healy.
Peter.
Yeah, it's about Peter Pan,because Peter Pan's, like, dumb,
never grew up, you know?
Yeah, I think Robin.
(09:44):
No, I'm not gonna mentionRobin, because I don't really know
what Robin's about.
I like Robin.
Robin's underrated.
Let's think.
Trying to think what elsethere is.
Are you just going through.
Yeah, there's a lot of songson ttpd, so, you know.
(10:07):
You can look at your phone ifyou want.
No, not all of them are, like,about anyone, though.
A lot of them are just likeher about her, but trying to think,
oh, my boy only breaks hisfavorite toys.
(10:27):
Oh, what's that about Maddie?
Yeah, I would have guessed that.
This isn't about Joe, though, y'all.
I'm lost.
Well, I Can Do With a BrokenHeart is kind of about Joe, if you
think about it.
Because, like, she was so sadwhen she broke up with Joe.
Wait, hold on.
(10:47):
We have to look, because I'm,like, glitching.
Oh, it's 556, not 555.
You almost made 555.
I almost met you.
Almost made.
But it's not 555.
It's 555.
555.
Yeah, that's right.
Two GTPD it go.
Okay.
And then.
(11:08):
Well, the torture poster rhymeis about Joe.
So long London, obviously, isabout both of them.
Wait, Joe who?
Joe Alwyn.
Yeah, Joe Allman.
Was he also a musician?
He's an actor, but he.
He's an actor.
He co wrote a lot of songsunder the name William Bowery.
And fun fact, I'm pretty sure Bowery.
(11:30):
Was, like, B O W E R Y Bowery.
Yeah, I know that William waslike, his great grandfather's name
or something and have beenlike, I don't know.
But it has A meaning.
I can fix him.
(11:51):
No, really, I can.
Is about Maddie the smallestman who ever lived.
Does about Maddie.
Because he is the smallest manwho ever lived.
How did it end about Joe?
I think half these things, I'mlike a little bit unsure, but I'm
pretty sure with a lot of them.
(12:11):
Okay, let's go to the next one.
Midnight.
Midnights is a little bittricky because I feel like a lot
of things are just kind oflike random and like she was still
dating Joe, but then some.
Some songs on Joe and somesongs on Midnight are about like
her breakup with Joe, and someof them are about how she loves Joe.
(12:32):
So I'm kind of confused.
But Sweet Nothing is about Joe.
I know that.
Oh, so you now you're on tothe next album?
Are you going through lover now?
Where'd you get lover from?
Is.
What's the order of this?
I'm going backwards, dad.
Lovers Midnight Lovers before folklore.
Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm losing mySweet Nothing is about Joe.
(12:54):
Okay.
I like that song.
You know, I like that SweetNothing is the best song ever.
It just is.
And then hits different isalso about Joe, but they're like
two different timelines, kind of.
So Sweet Nothing is like howshe loves Joe and then hits different
is like how like her breakuphits different with Joe because it
(13:17):
was Joe, you know?
Know.
Because Joe is so amazing, you know?
And then you're losing me isalso about Joe.
But that was like midway whenshe was losing Joe, when Joe was
being bad.
Bad Joe.
And that's really all I knowthough, on Midnights, because I feel
like midnights is kind of like random.
Well, it's not all about.
Yeah, there's a lot ofdifferent topics.
(13:38):
Well, the Torture post bar waslike her first breakup album since
Red, so, you know.
Oh, is Red a breakup album?
Oh, interesting.
Red's breakup album.
Although Red's kind ofconfusing because it has a lot of
like love ish songs on it too.
So it's kind of confusing, butyou know, it's fine.
No need to over confuse it.
(13:59):
So it's fine.
But sex.
Evermore evermore my baby loveyou Evermore evermore I'm gonna be
completely honest.
I have no clue.
And then folklore we're alsonot doing because folklore is a made
up situation.
Folklore.
She was being imaginative, sothat's like not true any of that.
(14:22):
Got it.
So lover.
Lover's gotta have.
Lover is fabulous.
So yeah, lover, London boy, obviously.
Do you think she'll mash upLondon boy Ex.
(14:42):
So long London Eventually.
So long, London boy.
No.
So say it out loud.
London Boy is about Joe.
Oh, is it?
Yeah.
Cause he's a London boy.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
Driving it on my scooter, youknow, just riding London.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then I guess it's nice tohave a friend also be a bachelor.
(15:09):
I can see that.
Because I feel like they werevery close in, like, a friend way,
but also, you know, and then,honestly, I don't really know what
anything else is about that,but obviously love her too, so.
Yeah.
Wait, Lover, the song is aboutJoe Alwyn.
Okay.
Probably.
It's a podcast.
You have to say everything,sort of.
(15:29):
Oh, you have to say it, like,really explicitly.
Well, I think you're the onlyone that doesn't understand.
Right now it's raining.
Someone who knows a lot ofTaylor Swift stuff would know, but
I still think you like.
If someone's a kind of a newbie.
If someone's kind of a newbie.
I want it to rain.
(15:54):
Reputation.
Okay, we're done with Lover.
Because I specify that now.
Yes.
And now we're going to Reputation.
You're learning the skills of podcasting.
Look at that.
Everything on Reputationthat's, like, about someone is also
about Joe.
My favorite AKA calling itwhat you want.
(16:15):
So.
So the Joe Alwyn relationshipactually was a long.
It was the longest.
It was a long time.
People thought that they were engaged.
I don't really know whathappened there.
I don't know if they were.
I don't know if I heard.
Heard that once.
And that.
That wasn't really, like, athing that happened, but I feel like
it was.
Do you know how long that wenton for?
Six years.
Six years?
Yeah.
(16:35):
It's a good chunk of time.
They met at the met gala in2014 or 15.
I don't really know.
The whole Matty Healy Jo thingwas really confusing.
I like to.
I always meet people at theMet Gala.
Yeah, you do?
Yeah.
That's like the main friend.
I go.
I crashed to get invited, actually.
(16:57):
What's that?
You're the first to get invited.
Yeah, actually, I'm a bus boy.
I just.
I sneak out onto the floor.
You're actually the roach thatwas in.
That was on the floor.
That was downgraded to.
You were the vermin.
You were the roach that was on the.
That was on the Runway.
(17:17):
Like, was there a roach on the Runway?
It was a roach.
There was a big thing.
It was not last year, but theyear before.
I love that.
2023 Met Gala.
The roach on the carpet.
Remember that it was like, a thing.
I don't remember that at all.
Like, there was a huge roach.
I don't watch the Met Gala.
You don't?
I don't watch it either, butit was a thing.
(17:39):
I remember that because thatwas also the year when, like, Colgate
sponsored it because thecarpet colors were, like, white,
red, and blue, but it was likethe Colgate thing, so it wasn't like,
patriotic, but it was morelike Colgate vibes.
But did Colgate actually.
No, but that's what it looked like.
It looked like.
(17:59):
It really did.
That's funny.
It really did.
Okay, well, my favorite song,like, almost ever is call what you
want, and that's Joe.
And there's a really cutevideo of her singing call what you
want to Joe.
And then she whispered to him,I love you, which is so sad because
(18:19):
now she doesn't love him.
So long London boy.
Yeah, you'll find that video.
It's so cute.
Oh, there's a video called solong London Boy.
No, I was just explaining the video.
(18:41):
I'm a little delir.
I didn't get good sleep lastnight, so I'm a little delirious.
You're also sick apparently,too, so, you know.
No, that is not called so longLondon play.
It's when she's singing Callwhat yout Want with Joe.
It's actually in the MissAmericana documentary.
Dad, we've watched thatdocumentary a good amount of times.
(19:04):
Yeah, which one is the onewhere she's, like, playing with the
two guys and she's in thehouse and they're doing, like, acoustic
versions?
That's called Folklore.
Right?
That's Folklore.
Long Polin studio session.
That's what I.
Which one is in Miss Americana?
Miss America.
(19:25):
No, it's not.
No, it's about, like, theLover era, kind of, but it's like,
everything.
Like, it just talks about thatsituation, you know?
But it's not a concert.
I don't remember watching that.
Yeah, Folklore didn't evenexist when that came out, by the
way.
So, you know.
Yeah, okay.
That was kind of like a mix ofrep and lover, you know?
(19:49):
But that video person can callit what you want is in that.
When she, like, just wrote it,I feel like.
Hold on, let's check some things.
Might take a little bit, but,you know.
Do you think William Bowie.
Bowie co Wrote this?
They don't tell you on Spotify.
Oh, that's bummy.
Oh, no.
They do Jack Hanson off andTaylor, but no William Bowie.
(20:13):
Huh?
Yeah.
Which song was that?
Call you want dad, dad, youlove call what you want.
I do like the song, but why would.
If she wrote a song about him,why would he co write a song about
himself?
He co wrote sweet.
He co wrote sweet Nothing andit was about him.
He wrote the piano part for that.
He also wrote the piano part.
(20:34):
Joe Alwyn wrote the piano part.
It is raining.
It is raining.
Let's go outside.
We have to finish this.
I know we do, but after, we'llgo outside.
Yeah, A lot of, like, the lovesongs on Reputation are about him,
actually.
Oh, wait, is this may or maynot be a lie?
Is he the guy who was wearingthe blue.
(20:55):
That color blue?
He's the delicate dark jeansand your Nikes.
Look at you.
I have a question, everyone, please.
When she says dark jeans inyour Nike and your Nikes, look at
you.
Oh, damn.
Never seen that color blue.
Is she talking about the shoesor the jeans?
Because I.
I don't know.
(21:16):
Yeah, I don't know if she'stalking about the jeans or the shoes.
I'm gonna go with shoes.
Shoes.
Yeah.
I'm gonna go.
I thought you were for jeans.
I don't.
I can't.
I don't know anymore.
Okay.
I just don't know.
I'm going for shoes.
I'm confused.
Yeah, I don't know anymore.
(21:36):
I just don't know.
Okay, what's before rec?
1989.
Oh, this is Harry Styles album.
Hold on, guys.
I, like, accidentally.
Are there any Harry Stylessongs on Reputation?
Probably.
Okay.
No, I don't think so.
(21:56):
No, definitely not.
Okay, here's a special one,because a lot of this is about hairstyles
and we can really go deep intothis one.
Out of the Woods.
This is like, something that Ijust learned about, and I'm really
fun.
I'm really happy that I knowthis now.
Oh, style, obviously.
Because, you know, you know,it wouldn't be Style without Harry
(22:17):
Styles.
What if Harry Styles had no style?
Is his real last name Stylesor is that a stage name?
We'll never know.
I mean, you thought TaylorSwift was a stage name.
I did.
You did.
You were wrong.
It's actually her real name.
Yeah, but.
Okay, out of the woods isabout Harry.
(22:39):
As we know, 20 stitches in thehospital room, aka the snowmobile
accident.
I could be saying this and all wrong.
I just learned about this,like, last week.
Yeah, last week.
Don't believe everything youhear about on.
The Internet, but it was ingossip gab, so, you know, we have
to trust it.
Tay to Z is.
(22:59):
And we try.
We try.
Tz which in.
We lost it.
I don't know if you shouldtrust them either, cuz they probably
just saw it on the Internet too.
Wait, tz and we trust.
Is that right?
No, it's in Tazy.
We trust.
Okay.
(23:23):
You lost that.
I can't do this anymore.
You just had a malfunction.
Yeah.
So out of the woods is abouthim, obviously, because 20.
Remember when you hit thebrakes too soon?
20 stitches in the hospitalroom, obviously.
Genius.
Taylor, let's go.
(23:44):
And then we have out of thewoods sister song.
Is it over now?
Also about Harry Red, Bloodwhite, snow, AKA the snowmobile accident.
Wait, what?
They.
They had two songs where shereferences the same snow.
Snowmobile accent, but they'relike songs.
(24:05):
She always plays them together.
So like there's a break and isit over now?
Between like the like whenshe's like doing like her little
screaming thing, you know,like that part, she's like, you know,
and there's like the littlebreak there, but like it's like quiet
for a minute and she's justscreaming that entire time.
(24:26):
She's not screaming, she's singing.
But it's like scream singing,you know?
You know what I'm saying?
There's like that break andthen it goes into.
Did you think I didn't seethere were flashing lights, you know?
Oh yeah.
And that in that break, it'sthe perfect amount of time for the
out of the woods bridge.
What?
So she always mastered upthose songs.
(24:47):
If she were to have anothertour, I think the set list would
be Is it over now X Out of thewoods X you're on your own kit X
you're.
No, wait, hold on.
Song one is.
Is it over now X Out of thewoods Song two is.
Song two through like ten isgonna be your on your own kid because
(25:08):
she plays your on your own kidlike every single night, basically.
And then we're gonna add likea clean in there, two maroons, and
then like five more.
You're on your own kids.
And then we're gonna outro it.
We're gonna start and end itwith is it over now X Out of the
woods.
My true swifties wouldunderstand that because she plays
(25:29):
those songs like every single night.
She needs to stop with those.
She really does.
But yeah, yeah, but they'relike sister songs, you know.
It isn't over now isdefinitely because it was like rumored
to be that they broke up onlike a yacht when they went to the
Cayman Islands.
Was that right?
I don't know.
I'm kind of guessing with that one.
(25:51):
And they broke up, and she.
And he left her on the yachtin her blue dress.
Blue dress on a boat.
AKA Lyric.
Is it over now?
You know, there's a photo ofher standing in her blue dress on
the boat.
Serious?
Yeah.
Wanna see it?
I'll show you later.
No, show me later.
I'll show you later.
(26:11):
Okay.
And then style, obviously, andI don't know who anyone else is about.
So you're.
We're doing 1989 right now.
Oh, well, no.
Yeah.
Okay.
Because a lot of the songs onthat are not really about anyone.
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Now, to think about it,because, like, you are in love is
not about any of her boyfriends.
And neither is.
All you had to do is stay.
Because all you have to do is stay.
She got the idea for In a Dream.
So maybe it is about someone.
But I don't know.
I don't think she was gonnawrite it.
Okay.
I don't know.
I don't have the right to talkright now because I don't know what
I'm saying now.
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One of my favorites, Red, oneof my favorites.
What's.
Who's read about?
Well, we have our queen.
All too well about Mr.
Perfectly Fine.
Yeah.
Is Miss.
Is Jake Gyllenhaal also Mr.
Perfectly Fine?
Yeah, he's also Mr.
Perfectly Fine.
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And then, you know, I guess.
I don't know.
I thought Red was a breakup album.
Red is a breakup album.
But I feel, like, reallyuneducated right now.
Well, I knew your troublesabout Harry.
We know that.
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You know, like, the video, theI Need a Trouble video.
And, like, there's, like, aguy walking on the street with, like,
a beanie.
It was like, Harry Styles old outfit.
When he was in One Direction,he always wore, like, a beanie.
And he had, like, longer hair.
I didn't.
First of all, what's a beanie?
It's like a hat with no pom pom.
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Right?
Okay.
Yeah.
Did he always used to wear a beanie?
Yeah.
I didn't know he stood.
Dad, I swear.
That's so, like, not cool.
That's not okay to.
I didn't even know that.
You should not be here right now.
Now that you're mentioning it,I'm saying zero chance his real name
(28:22):
is Harry Styles.
Don't believe it.
Is from England as well.
Yeah.
Okay.
Keep going.
I love Harry Styles.
Really wanted to get HarryStyles tickets so bad.
Yeah, I still want those tickets.
I love him.
He's like my second tailor.
I don't listen to him becauseI only listen to Taylor but you know,
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he's still like, he's mynumber one guy.
Taylor's just my number one everyone.
But yeah, I guess.
Yeah.
I feel really uneducated, butokay, back to my thought that I was
having about the I knew yourtrouble music video.
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In the music video, it's likeher and that cuts to a scene.
It cuts to like.
It cuts back and forthbetween, like, her and then like
a guy that was like, dressedlike Harry and has like the hairy
beanie and the hair with like,another girl.
And I really thought that wasactually Harry Styles and when I
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was little.
And that's just like a littlerandom piece of information that
no one needed to know.
But I'm going to say it anyway.
And then I don't really knowanything else is about.
Because now that I look atthis, half the things on this aren't
breakup album breakup songs.
But you know, actually that'sa lie.
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Most of these are.
Everything has changed.
AKA my actual favorite song isnot a breakup song.
Fun fact.
It is not.
Yeah.
And then there's begin againand I feel like come back, be here
could be like symbolic of abreakup, but I feel like it's not
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really.
Maybe I'm just like being tooliteral with that one.
And then Ronan.
Ronan's so sad.
What is it, Ronan?
It's a song that you don'tlike to listen to because it's so
sad.
Oh.
Nothing new isn't Message in a bottle.
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Actually, we're not just doingbreakup songs.
We're just doing any songs about.
I know, but I'm talking aboutbreakup songs because Red is supposed
to be a breakup album, but nowI'm looking at it.
It's not really that breakupy.
Got it.
But, you know, I think we'redone with Red because I don't know
anything else.
I have a question.
(30:50):
Why was I saying Mr.
Perfectly Fine?
I guess it was just because ofthe same guy.
We can just pretend that Ididn't think Mr.
Perfectly Fine was on Red fora minute.
Okay.
Yeah, I didn't think that.
Guys.
I didn't think that.
I totally didn't think that.
I'm just like glitching.
I almost forgot about Speak now.
I don't like Speak now.
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I'm sorry, guys.
Oh, here's a few obvious ones.
Back to December is obviouslyabout Taylor Lantern, AKA one of
her best act exes.
Cuz he was so sweet.
He was such a sweetie pie.
Dear John, AKA John Mayerwould have could have showed his
B John there.
Yeah.
(31:36):
Does it have to be at one ofher boyfriends.
Yeah, it does.
Okay.
We're just talking aboutboyfriend songs right now.
I don't know.
I feel like that's like, it.
Yeah.
Oh, ours is about Sean Mayer.
Ours is a song.
Ours, ours, ours.
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But, like, ours, like,belonging to us.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's like it.
Honestly, there aren't many.
Like, I was about to say therearen't many, like, boyfriend songs
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on that one.
But it's just because I'muneducated and I don't know anything
right now.
So, you know.
Well, I have an idea for a.
I, in fact, did not do my research.
This is a good opportunity.
What if you got some of yourfriends together to do research and
figure out what every song ona particular album is about?
I don't like doing research.
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Make one of your friends doresearch and invite them to come
on the show.
Well, I'm gonna keep goingwith this.
So I know Love Story is aboutsome guys.
Fearless.
Fearless.
Yeah.
Sorry, guys, we're past red.
No, speak now.
God, I'm, like, really getting distracted.
(33:00):
Speak now in like, two seconds.
I'm, like, tired.
I know that Love Story isabout one of her.
A guy that she wanted to date,and no one in her family liked him.
And then.
But she liked him.
But, like, then she realizedthat he was actually really, like,
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not great.
Who is it?
Some guy.
Some, like, random guy.
No one knows the name, but Iknow that about him.
And she wrote that song in,like, 15 minutes, I think.
What song was it?
Love Story.
Oh, hey, Steven.
Steven is theory about Stevensomebody or so.
(33:47):
And so I'm gonna take a wildguess and say yes.
It's about a person named Steven.
Yeah, I saw an interview with him.
Right.
Didn't they interview him?
Hey, Steven, wasn't that on.
Wasn't he in.
That was in the Fearless movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think he actually appeared.
Oh, wait, because they did,like, a.
(34:07):
They, like, before the show started.
They had.
They made, like, their own,like, investigative show or something
featuring her exes orsomething, but it wasn't real.
I don't know.
But I love that documentary.
Journey to Fearless.
Was that what it's called?
I think so.
I think that it's not raininganymore, dad.
(34:28):
That's sad.
That is.
Oh, yeah.
So Mr.
Perfectly Fine is on the rightalbum now.
And we're.
Yeah.
Joe, Jake, Gyllenhaal.
Guys, is it okay now I feellike I don't know anything.
(34:51):
I'm second guessing myself,and I feel like I, like, don't know
what's going On.
Okay.
Debut.
Debut is a little bit of,like, not great because, like, we're
not gonna know the name of anyone.
Just like, fearless, basically.
But yeah, Tim McGraw isobviously about when she broke up
with Tim McGraw.
(35:11):
Yeah.
So she was like Tim, 12, andhe was like, 40, right?
Yes, totally, guys.
Totally.
I know the teardrops on my guitar.
How old was she when thisalbum came out?
16.
But she wrote a lot of thesongs when she was younger.
(35:35):
Yeah.
Do you see any on there?
Just teardrops on my guitar.
About Drew?
About Drew, right?
Oh, yeah.
Wait, maybe it was Drew, right?
Yeah, maybe that.
But was it he?
That wasn't the Drew in themusic video.
The actual Drew?
I feel like Drew didn't.
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Didn't you.
Don't you remember seeing kindof a documentary style thing where
the actual Drew was there andhe's saying, oh, gosh.
But I feel like I was.
I was actually about me.
Oh, I remember that.
They were like, in the car.
Or was it Steven?
He was getting out of his car,wasn't it?
Wasn't he?
I don't know.
And then he really.
Okay, I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm, like, spreading rumors,guys, but Teardrops on My Guitar
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is about Drew, and I'm prettysure that it wasn't a name that she
picked.
I think his name was Drew.
Yeah.
And you know, that's it.
That's it.
Good.
We got to the end.
Yeah.
Hippie.
Kaye, what time is it?
I think we should finish it upbecause it's about dinner time.
Okay.
Toodles.
Well, here we are again.
This is let's Talk TaylorEpisode 3.
Do you like a podcast voicewhere your voice gets really low?
Yeah, no, I'm not doing thaton purpose.
I actually think I have aslight cold, so my voice is a little
(00:23):
bit lower as a result.
I'm not doing that on purposeat all.
Really?
Because I feel like you'rejust talking much higher.
I'm not now.
I'm just talking normally.
Really?
Yeah.
This is normal for me right now.
But it wasn't normal just asecond ago.
No, before we started.
What do you mean?
It was much higher than thatone before we started.
(00:47):
Oh, because you know why?
Because I.
Whenever the recording thinggoes on, I slow down so I don't rush
through things.
Okay, so this is let's TalkTaylor episode three.
(01:07):
We were trying to think oftopics for this episode, and I suggested
talking about all Taylor's boyfriends.
And you said we shouldn't dothat because it's not nice.
It's not.
And I agree.
It's kind of like low vibration.
(01:30):
I don't know if that's whatit's supposed to mean, but.
Okay, well, you know, it'skind of like.
Like a tabloid or like a TMZsort of thing.
We don't want to be like tmz, so.
But.
So.
But then we decided we weregoing to talk about why it's not
nice to talk about Taylor's boyfriends.
Yeah.
(01:51):
Why do you think?
Because it's mean.
Why is it mean?
Because it's like reducing herto someone, to only her boyfriends.
You know, that's like makingher boyfriends a part of her personality,
(02:12):
which they're not.
Well, yeah.
She's just a normal person.
Guess what?
I'm gonna play devil'sadvocate on this.
I'm gonna play devil's advocate.
What's that mean?
It means I'm gonna take theother side of the argument for the
purpose of.
Well, I don't want to talkabout this the whole time.
(02:34):
I still think we should justcover it a little bit because I have
a different opinion.
Actually, now that we startedtalking, I sort of realized something.
It is true that it's, youknow, perhaps someone's private life,
even if they're a public figure.
They are.
(02:54):
Their privacy should behonored to a certain extent.
Right.
So I think that that may be.
That may be something to consider.
But I also think that somebodylike Taylor, who's so public about
her love life, who writes about.
(03:16):
But she isn't always maybe.
Right.
She isn't Always.
But, like, she does writeabout her boyfriends and songs.
They're like, it's prettyobvious who's who.
And for a lot of the songs,not always, but sometimes.
So some of it is actually.
Some of her relationships areactually times.
Not when they're actually dating.
(03:37):
Oh, it's like afterward.
Right.
Because by that time she'llhave written a song about them.
So I think that some of herboyfriends are fair game.
The ex boyfriends.
What do you mean?
Well, I think if she's writtena song, then I think it's your hands.
I think it's.
I think it's probably fairgame to talk about her ex boyfriends
(04:03):
if they're in the song.
If it's the topic of the songin relation to the lyrics of the
song, I think it's fair.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Do you.
Can you think of, off the topof your head, a bunch of songs and
what men or boys they areassociated with?
(04:26):
Yeah.
Do you wanna.
Can you think of a bunch ofthem or do you want to run and get
your phone?
I can.
You can just think of them.
My phone's also right here,but I can't.
Because you could look them upon your phone if you want to.
Just start listing them off.
I think that would be fun.
I can.
Well, torture post apartment'sreally easy.
Okay.
Because.
(04:46):
So high school and the alchemy.
Well, maybe the alchemy.
Most likely the alchemyprobably, definitely are about Travis.
We love Travis.
So Travis, the alchemy, andthen which one?
So high school.
So high school.
And some people think, butdaddy, I love him is about Travis,
but I don't really know about that.
(05:07):
Okay, why don't you think itis or it isn't?
Well, I don't know, because,like, it's about, like.
I think that I've heard thatit's kind of about, like, her.
Like, either, like, Maddie or Joe.
Like, in the beginning, it'slike, it starts off with Maddie or
Joe, and at the end it's aboutTravis when she says, like, but even
my daddy just loves him, you know?
(05:30):
But then, like.
But in the beginning, like, noone likes him because he's, like,
not good.
And he's kind of like, why ishe not good?
Because he's like, he just.
They don't have the sameenergy, you know, he's kind of like
her and Maddie Healey.
Oh, Matt Healey.
It's Maddie.
Matty Healey.
Well, I don't know anythingabout Maddie Healy's energy.
(05:51):
He's really bad.
If you see photos of themtogether, she always looks so put
together and, like, brightand, like, cheery and, like, she
has, like, good posture andshe's, like, all, like, done up.
And then he's, like, slouchedover with his bad posture, smoking
a cigarette.
And then he's, like, really weird.
And, like, he does, like, thisthing at his concerts.
(06:12):
He kisses all the girls in thefront row.
It's so weird.
It's really weird.
No.
And then he told someone once,and, like, someone was like, can
I have a kiss, Maddie?
And he was like, no, I don'tkiss people when I have.
When I'm dating someone.
But that's such a lie becausehe cheated on Taylor, like, five
times.
Oh, wow.
(06:35):
Four times, as we know.
Chloe and gang.
Huh?
So hold on.
Oh, wait a minute.
So that song is about them too?
Yeah.
So?
Well, it's just about Maddie.
But isn't there a song withChloe in the name?
Yeah, Chloe or sang withSophia Marcus.
(06:55):
That's what we call it now.
Chloe and Gang.
Because no one feels likesaying the entire song title, so.
So are those the people thathe cheated on her with?
Well, they're probably not thesame people, but it's about that.
So Chloe and who?
Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus?
So did she.
Did he cheat on her with a manas well?
(07:17):
Probably.
I don't know.
That's complicated.
I don't really know anything.
I know he cheated a lot.
Wow.
And I'm pretty sure Joe.
She did, too.
But I didn't know that.
I liked Joe a lot, actually.
So Joe was nice.
Let's go back to naming allthe songs.
Okay.
Yeah.
(07:37):
So then Chloe, Sam, Sophia, Marcus.
That Matty Healy Fortnight isalso about Matty Healy.
Fresh out this fresh.
Wait.
Yeah.
Fresh out the Slammer is alsoabout Maddie.
Healing the Black Dog is about Joe.
I think, actually, it might be about.
(07:57):
I think it's about Joe.
I don't really know.
LOML is about Joe, obviously.
How do you know?
Because it's about, like, how,like, they had, like, a whole life
together that was supposed tohappen, and then he just, like, left
her.
Okay.
You know?
Yeah.
(08:18):
What does LOML stand for?
Love of my Life.
Love my Life.
Loss of my life.
Yes.
Got it.
Well, it's like she says, loveof my life.
At the end, she says, you'rethe loss of my life, you know, because,
like, they had, like, a wholelife together, and, like, she was,
like, looking forward to it.
And, like, now she's, like, sosad that that never Happened, you
(08:39):
know, she left her.
You know, so then let me think.
What else is there?
Guilty as Sins about Matty Healy?
I think Guilty as Sin is alsoon Torture Poets.
Yeah, Dad, I love how you'rejust saying torture Poets.
That's, like, so swifty of you.
(09:00):
Thank you.
Yes.
Trying to think.
Well, the manuscript.
This doesn't really count,kind of.
But the manuscript is aboutall of her boyfriends, basically,
and, like, her life and howshe's, like, kind of, like, leaving
behind all of that.
Yeah.
(09:20):
And she's, like, entering,like, a new thing.
I guess it's kind of aboutTravis in that way.
Maybe that's how I'minterpreting it, but I don't know.
And then trying to think, oh,Peter is about Matty Healy.
Peter.
Yeah, it's about Peter Pan,because Peter Pan's, like, dumb,
never grew up, you know?
Yeah, I think Robin.
(09:44):
No, I'm not gonna mentionRobin, because I don't really know
what Robin's about.
I like Robin.
Robin's underrated.
Let's think.
Trying to think what elsethere is.
Are you just going through.
Yeah, there's a lot of songson ttpd, so, you know.
(10:07):
You can look at your phone ifyou want.
No, not all of them are, like,about anyone, though.
A lot of them are just likeher about her, but trying to think,
oh, my boy only breaks hisfavorite toys.
(10:27):
Oh, what's that about Maddie?
Yeah, I would have guessed that.
This isn't about Joe, though, y'all.
I'm lost.
Well, I Can Do With a BrokenHeart is kind of about Joe, if you
think about it.
Because, like, she was so sadwhen she broke up with Joe.
Wait, hold on.
(10:47):
We have to look, because I'm,like, glitching.
Oh, it's 556, not 555.
You almost made 555.
I almost met you.
Almost made.
But it's not 555.
It's 555.
555.
Yeah, that's right.
Two GTPD it go.
Okay.
And then.
(11:08):
Well, the torture poster rhymeis about Joe.
So long London, obviously, isabout both of them.
Wait, Joe who?
Joe Alwyn.
Yeah, Joe Allman.
Was he also a musician?
He's an actor, but he.
He's an actor.
He co wrote a lot of songsunder the name William Bowery.
And fun fact, I'm pretty sure Bowery.
(11:30):
Was, like, B O W E R Y Bowery.
Yeah, I know that William waslike, his great grandfather's name
or something and have beenlike, I don't know.
But it has A meaning.
I can fix him.
(11:51):
No, really, I can.
Is about Maddie the smallestman who ever lived.
Does about Maddie.
Because he is the smallest manwho ever lived.
How did it end about Joe?
I think half these things, I'mlike a little bit unsure, but I'm
pretty sure with a lot of them.
(12:11):
Okay, let's go to the next one.
Midnight.
Midnights is a little bittricky because I feel like a lot
of things are just kind oflike random and like she was still
dating Joe, but then some.
Some songs on Joe and somesongs on Midnight are about like
her breakup with Joe, and someof them are about how she loves Joe.
(12:32):
So I'm kind of confused.
But Sweet Nothing is about Joe.
I know that.
Oh, so you now you're on tothe next album?
Are you going through lover now?
Where'd you get lover from?
Is.
What's the order of this?
I'm going backwards, dad.
Lovers Midnight Lovers before folklore.
Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm losing mySweet Nothing is about Joe.
(12:54):
Okay.
I like that song.
You know, I like that SweetNothing is the best song ever.
It just is.
And then hits different isalso about Joe, but they're like
two different timelines, kind of.
So Sweet Nothing is like howshe loves Joe and then hits different
is like how like her breakuphits different with Joe because it
(13:17):
was Joe, you know?
Know.
Because Joe is so amazing, you know?
And then you're losing me isalso about Joe.
But that was like midway whenshe was losing Joe, when Joe was
being bad.
Bad Joe.
And that's really all I knowthough, on Midnights, because I feel
like midnights is kind of like random.
Well, it's not all about.
Yeah, there's a lot ofdifferent topics.
(13:38):
Well, the Torture post bar waslike her first breakup album since
Red, so, you know.
Oh, is Red a breakup album?
Oh, interesting.
Red's breakup album.
Although Red's kind ofconfusing because it has a lot of
like love ish songs on it too.
So it's kind of confusing, butyou know, it's fine.
No need to over confuse it.
(13:59):
So it's fine.
But sex.
Evermore evermore my baby loveyou Evermore evermore I'm gonna be
completely honest.
I have no clue.
And then folklore we're alsonot doing because folklore is a made
up situation.
Folklore.
She was being imaginative, sothat's like not true any of that.
(14:22):
Got it.
So lover.
Lover's gotta have.
Lover is fabulous.
So yeah, lover, London boy, obviously.
Do you think she'll mash upLondon boy Ex.
(14:42):
So long London Eventually.
So long, London boy.
No.
So say it out loud.
London Boy is about Joe.
Oh, is it?
Yeah.
Cause he's a London boy.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
Driving it on my scooter, youknow, just riding London.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then I guess it's nice tohave a friend also be a bachelor.
(15:09):
I can see that.
Because I feel like they werevery close in, like, a friend way,
but also, you know, and then,honestly, I don't really know what
anything else is about that,but obviously love her too, so.
Yeah.
Wait, Lover, the song is aboutJoe Alwyn.
Okay.
Probably.
It's a podcast.
You have to say everything,sort of.
(15:29):
Oh, you have to say it, like,really explicitly.
Well, I think you're the onlyone that doesn't understand.
Right now it's raining.
Someone who knows a lot ofTaylor Swift stuff would know, but
I still think you like.
If someone's a kind of a newbie.
If someone's kind of a newbie.
I want it to rain.
(15:54):
Reputation.
Okay, we're done with Lover.
Because I specify that now.
Yes.
And now we're going to Reputation.
You're learning the skills of podcasting.
Look at that.
Everything on Reputationthat's, like, about someone is also
about Joe.
My favorite AKA calling itwhat you want.
(16:15):
So.
So the Joe Alwyn relationshipactually was a long.
It was the longest.
It was a long time.
People thought that they were engaged.
I don't really know whathappened there.
I don't know if they were.
I don't know if I heard.
Heard that once.
And that.
That wasn't really, like, athing that happened, but I feel like
it was.
Do you know how long that wenton for?
Six years.
Six years?
Yeah.
(16:35):
It's a good chunk of time.
They met at the met gala in2014 or 15.
I don't really know.
The whole Matty Healy Jo thingwas really confusing.
I like to.
I always meet people at theMet Gala.
Yeah, you do?
Yeah.
That's like the main friend.
I go.
I crashed to get invited, actually.
(16:57):
What's that?
You're the first to get invited.
Yeah, actually, I'm a bus boy.
I just.
I sneak out onto the floor.
You're actually the roach thatwas in.
That was on the floor.
That was downgraded to.
You were the vermin.
You were the roach that was on the.
That was on the Runway.
(17:17):
Like, was there a roach on the Runway?
It was a roach.
There was a big thing.
It was not last year, but theyear before.
I love that.
2023 Met Gala.
The roach on the carpet.
Remember that it was like, a thing.
I don't remember that at all.
Like, there was a huge roach.
I don't watch the Met Gala.
You don't?
I don't watch it either, butit was a thing.
(17:39):
I remember that because thatwas also the year when, like, Colgate
sponsored it because thecarpet colors were, like, white,
red, and blue, but it was likethe Colgate thing, so it wasn't like,
patriotic, but it was morelike Colgate vibes.
But did Colgate actually.
No, but that's what it looked like.
It looked like.
(17:59):
It really did.
That's funny.
It really did.
Okay, well, my favorite song,like, almost ever is call what you
want, and that's Joe.
And there's a really cutevideo of her singing call what you
want to Joe.
And then she whispered to him,I love you, which is so sad because
(18:19):
now she doesn't love him.
So long London boy.
Yeah, you'll find that video.
It's so cute.
Oh, there's a video called solong London Boy.
No, I was just explaining the video.
(18:41):
I'm a little delir.
I didn't get good sleep lastnight, so I'm a little delirious.
You're also sick apparently,too, so, you know.
No, that is not called so longLondon play.
It's when she's singing Callwhat yout Want with Joe.
It's actually in the MissAmericana documentary.
Dad, we've watched thatdocumentary a good amount of times.
(19:04):
Yeah, which one is the onewhere she's, like, playing with the
two guys and she's in thehouse and they're doing, like, acoustic
versions?
That's called Folklore.
Right?
That's Folklore.
Long Polin studio session.
That's what I.
Which one is in Miss Americana?
Miss America.
(19:25):
No, it's not.
No, it's about, like, theLover era, kind of, but it's like,
everything.
Like, it just talks about thatsituation, you know?
But it's not a concert.
I don't remember watching that.
Yeah, Folklore didn't evenexist when that came out, by the
way.
So, you know.
Yeah, okay.
That was kind of like a mix ofrep and lover, you know?
(19:49):
But that video person can callit what you want is in that.
When she, like, just wrote it,I feel like.
Hold on, let's check some things.
Might take a little bit, but,you know.
Do you think William Bowie.
Bowie co Wrote this?
They don't tell you on Spotify.
Oh, that's bummy.
Oh, no.
They do Jack Hanson off andTaylor, but no William Bowie.
(20:13):
Huh?
Yeah.
Which song was that?
Call you want dad, dad, youlove call what you want.
I do like the song, but why would.
If she wrote a song about him,why would he co write a song about
himself?
He co wrote sweet.
He co wrote sweet Nothing andit was about him.
He wrote the piano part for that.
He also wrote the piano part.
(20:34):
Joe Alwyn wrote the piano part.
It is raining.
It is raining.
Let's go outside.
We have to finish this.
I know we do, but after, we'llgo outside.
Yeah, A lot of, like, the lovesongs on Reputation are about him,
actually.
Oh, wait, is this may or maynot be a lie?
Is he the guy who was wearingthe blue.
(20:55):
That color blue?
He's the delicate dark jeansand your Nikes.
Look at you.
I have a question, everyone, please.
When she says dark jeans inyour Nike and your Nikes, look at
you.
Oh, damn.
Never seen that color blue.
Is she talking about the shoesor the jeans?
Because I.
I don't know.
(21:16):
Yeah, I don't know if she'stalking about the jeans or the shoes.
I'm gonna go with shoes.
Shoes.
Yeah.
I'm gonna go.
I thought you were for jeans.
I don't.
I can't.
I don't know anymore.
Okay.
I just don't know.
I'm going for shoes.
I'm confused.
Yeah, I don't know anymore.
(21:36):
I just don't know.
Okay, what's before rec?
1989.
Oh, this is Harry Styles album.
Hold on, guys.
I, like, accidentally.
Are there any Harry Stylessongs on Reputation?
Probably.
Okay.
No, I don't think so.
(21:56):
No, definitely not.
Okay, here's a special one,because a lot of this is about hairstyles
and we can really go deep intothis one.
Out of the Woods.
This is like, something that Ijust learned about, and I'm really
fun.
I'm really happy that I knowthis now.
Oh, style, obviously.
Because, you know, you know,it wouldn't be Style without Harry
(22:17):
Styles.
What if Harry Styles had no style?
Is his real last name Stylesor is that a stage name?
We'll never know.
I mean, you thought TaylorSwift was a stage name.
I did.
You did.
You were wrong.
It's actually her real name.
Yeah, but.
Okay, out of the woods isabout Harry.
(22:39):
As we know, 20 stitches in thehospital room, aka the snowmobile
accident.
I could be saying this and all wrong.
I just learned about this,like, last week.
Yeah, last week.
Don't believe everything youhear about on.
The Internet, but it was ingossip gab, so, you know, we have
to trust it.
Tay to Z is.
(22:59):
And we try.
We try.
Tz which in.
We lost it.
I don't know if you shouldtrust them either, cuz they probably
just saw it on the Internet too.
Wait, tz and we trust.
Is that right?
No, it's in Tazy.
We trust.
Okay.
(23:23):
You lost that.
I can't do this anymore.
You just had a malfunction.
Yeah.
So out of the woods is abouthim, obviously, because 20.
Remember when you hit thebrakes too soon?
20 stitches in the hospitalroom, obviously.
Genius.
Taylor, let's go.
(23:44):
And then we have out of thewoods sister song.
Is it over now?
Also about Harry Red, Bloodwhite, snow, AKA the snowmobile accident.
Wait, what?
They.
They had two songs where shereferences the same snow.
Snowmobile accent, but they'relike songs.
(24:05):
She always plays them together.
So like there's a break and isit over now?
Between like the like whenshe's like doing like her little
screaming thing, you know,like that part, she's like, you know,
and there's like the littlebreak there, but like it's like quiet
for a minute and she's justscreaming that entire time.
(24:26):
She's not screaming, she's singing.
But it's like scream singing,you know?
You know what I'm saying?
There's like that break andthen it goes into.
Did you think I didn't seethere were flashing lights, you know?
Oh yeah.
And that in that break, it'sthe perfect amount of time for the
out of the woods bridge.
What?
So she always mastered upthose songs.
(24:47):
If she were to have anothertour, I think the set list would
be Is it over now X Out of thewoods X you're on your own kit X
you're.
No, wait, hold on.
Song one is.
Is it over now X Out of thewoods Song two is.
Song two through like ten isgonna be your on your own kid because
(25:08):
she plays your on your own kidlike every single night, basically.
And then we're gonna add likea clean in there, two maroons, and
then like five more.
You're on your own kids.
And then we're gonna outro it.
We're gonna start and end itwith is it over now X Out of the
woods.
My true swifties wouldunderstand that because she plays
(25:29):
those songs like every single night.
She needs to stop with those.
She really does.
But yeah, yeah, but they'relike sister songs, you know.
It isn't over now isdefinitely because it was like rumored
to be that they broke up onlike a yacht when they went to the
Cayman Islands.
Was that right?
I don't know.
I'm kind of guessing with that one.
(25:51):
And they broke up, and she.
And he left her on the yachtin her blue dress.
Blue dress on a boat.
AKA Lyric.
Is it over now?
You know, there's a photo ofher standing in her blue dress on
the boat.
Serious?
Yeah.
Wanna see it?
I'll show you later.
No, show me later.
I'll show you later.
(26:11):
Okay.
And then style, obviously, andI don't know who anyone else is about.
So you're.
We're doing 1989 right now.
Oh, well, no.
Yeah.
Okay.
Because a lot of the songs onthat are not really about anyone.
(26:34):
Now, to think about it,because, like, you are in love is
not about any of her boyfriends.
And neither is.
All you had to do is stay.
Because all you have to do is stay.
She got the idea for In a Dream.
So maybe it is about someone.
But I don't know.
I don't think she was gonnawrite it.
Okay.
I don't know.
I don't have the right to talkright now because I don't know what
I'm saying now.
(26:55):
One of my favorites, Red, oneof my favorites.
What's.
Who's read about?
Well, we have our queen.
All too well about Mr.
Perfectly Fine.
Yeah.
Is Miss.
Is Jake Gyllenhaal also Mr.
Perfectly Fine?
Yeah, he's also Mr.
Perfectly Fine.
(27:18):
And then, you know, I guess.
I don't know.
I thought Red was a breakup album.
Red is a breakup album.
But I feel, like, reallyuneducated right now.
Well, I knew your troublesabout Harry.
We know that.
(27:40):
You know, like, the video, theI Need a Trouble video.
And, like, there's, like, aguy walking on the street with, like,
a beanie.
It was like, Harry Styles old outfit.
When he was in One Direction,he always wore, like, a beanie.
And he had, like, longer hair.
I didn't.
First of all, what's a beanie?
It's like a hat with no pom pom.
(28:01):
Right?
Okay.
Yeah.
Did he always used to wear a beanie?
Yeah.
I didn't know he stood.
Dad, I swear.
That's so, like, not cool.
That's not okay to.
I didn't even know that.
You should not be here right now.
Now that you're mentioning it,I'm saying zero chance his real name
(28:22):
is Harry Styles.
Don't believe it.
Is from England as well.
Yeah.
Okay.
Keep going.
I love Harry Styles.
Really wanted to get HarryStyles tickets so bad.
Yeah, I still want those tickets.
I love him.
He's like my second tailor.
I don't listen to him becauseI only listen to Taylor but you know,
(28:43):
he's still like, he's mynumber one guy.
Taylor's just my number one everyone.
But yeah, I guess.
Yeah.
I feel really uneducated, butokay, back to my thought that I was
having about the I knew yourtrouble music video.
(29:05):
In the music video, it's likeher and that cuts to a scene.
It cuts to like.
It cuts back and forthbetween, like, her and then like
a guy that was like, dressedlike Harry and has like the hairy
beanie and the hair with like,another girl.
And I really thought that wasactually Harry Styles and when I
(29:26):
was little.
And that's just like a littlerandom piece of information that
no one needed to know.
But I'm going to say it anyway.
And then I don't really knowanything else is about.
Because now that I look atthis, half the things on this aren't
breakup album breakup songs.
But you know, actually that'sa lie.
(29:46):
Most of these are.
Everything has changed.
AKA my actual favorite song isnot a breakup song.
Fun fact.
It is not.
Yeah.
And then there's begin againand I feel like come back, be here
could be like symbolic of abreakup, but I feel like it's not
(30:07):
really.
Maybe I'm just like being tooliteral with that one.
And then Ronan.
Ronan's so sad.
What is it, Ronan?
It's a song that you don'tlike to listen to because it's so
sad.
Oh.
Nothing new isn't Message in a bottle.
(30:28):
Actually, we're not just doingbreakup songs.
We're just doing any songs about.
I know, but I'm talking aboutbreakup songs because Red is supposed
to be a breakup album, but nowI'm looking at it.
It's not really that breakupy.
Got it.
But, you know, I think we'redone with Red because I don't know
anything else.
I have a question.
(30:50):
Why was I saying Mr.
Perfectly Fine?
I guess it was just because ofthe same guy.
We can just pretend that Ididn't think Mr.
Perfectly Fine was on Red fora minute.
Okay.
Yeah, I didn't think that.
Guys.
I didn't think that.
I totally didn't think that.
I'm just like glitching.
I almost forgot about Speak now.
I don't like Speak now.
(31:11):
I'm sorry, guys.
Oh, here's a few obvious ones.
Back to December is obviouslyabout Taylor Lantern, AKA one of
her best act exes.
Cuz he was so sweet.
He was such a sweetie pie.
Dear John, AKA John Mayerwould have could have showed his
B John there.
Yeah.
(31:36):
Does it have to be at one ofher boyfriends.
Yeah, it does.
Okay.
We're just talking aboutboyfriend songs right now.
I don't know.
I feel like that's like, it.
Yeah.
Oh, ours is about Sean Mayer.
Ours is a song.
Ours, ours, ours.
(31:59):
But, like, ours, like,belonging to us.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's like it.
Honestly, there aren't many.
Like, I was about to say therearen't many, like, boyfriend songs
(32:19):
on that one.
But it's just because I'muneducated and I don't know anything
right now.
So, you know.
Well, I have an idea for a.
I, in fact, did not do my research.
This is a good opportunity.
What if you got some of yourfriends together to do research and
figure out what every song ona particular album is about?
I don't like doing research.
(32:39):
Make one of your friends doresearch and invite them to come
on the show.
Well, I'm gonna keep goingwith this.
So I know Love Story is aboutsome guys.
Fearless.
Fearless.
Yeah.
Sorry, guys, we're past red.
No, speak now.
God, I'm, like, really getting distracted.
(33:00):
Speak now in like, two seconds.
I'm, like, tired.
I know that Love Story isabout one of her.
A guy that she wanted to date,and no one in her family liked him.
And then.
But she liked him.
But, like, then she realizedthat he was actually really, like,
(33:22):
not great.
Who is it?
Some guy.
Some, like, random guy.
No one knows the name, but Iknow that about him.
And she wrote that song in,like, 15 minutes, I think.
What song was it?
Love Story.
Oh, hey, Steven.
Steven is theory about Stevensomebody or so.
(33:47):
And so I'm gonna take a wildguess and say yes.
It's about a person named Steven.
Yeah, I saw an interview with him.
Right.
Didn't they interview him?
Hey, Steven, wasn't that on.
Wasn't he in.
That was in the Fearless movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think he actually appeared.
Oh, wait, because they did,like, a.
(34:07):
They, like, before the show started.
They had.
They made, like, their own,like, investigative show or something
featuring her exes orsomething, but it wasn't real.
I don't know.
But I love that documentary.
Journey to Fearless.
Was that what it's called?
I think so.
I think that it's not raininganymore, dad.
(34:28):
That's sad.
That is.
Oh, yeah.
So Mr.
Perfectly Fine is on the rightalbum now.
And we're.
Yeah.
Joe, Jake, Gyllenhaal.
Guys, is it okay now I feellike I don't know anything.
(34:51):
I'm second guessing myself,and I feel like I, like, don't know
what's going On.
Okay.
Debut.
Debut is a little bit of,like, not great because, like, we're
not gonna know the name of anyone.
Just like, fearless, basically.
But yeah, Tim McGraw isobviously about when she broke up
with Tim McGraw.
(35:11):
Yeah.
So she was like Tim, 12, andhe was like, 40, right?
Yes, totally, guys.
Totally.
I know the teardrops on my guitar.
How old was she when thisalbum came out?
16.
But she wrote a lot of thesongs when she was younger.
(35:35):
Yeah.
Do you see any on there?
Just teardrops on my guitar.
About Drew?
About Drew, right?
Oh, yeah.
Wait, maybe it was Drew, right?
Yeah, maybe that.
But was it he?
That wasn't the Drew in themusic video.
The actual Drew?
I feel like Drew didn't.
(35:56):
Didn't you.
Don't you remember seeing kindof a documentary style thing where
the actual Drew was there andhe's saying, oh, gosh.
But I feel like I was.
I was actually about me.
Oh, I remember that.
They were like, in the car.
Or was it Steven?
He was getting out of his car,wasn't it?
Wasn't he?
I don't know.
And then he really.
Okay, I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm, like, spreading rumors,guys, but Teardrops on My Guitar
(36:19):
is about Drew, and I'm prettysure that it wasn't a name that she
picked.
I think his name was Drew.
Yeah.
And you know, that's it.
That's it.
Good.
We got to the end.
Yeah.
Hippie.
Kaye, what time is it?
I think we should finish it upbecause it's about dinner time.
Okay.
Toodles.
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