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What happens when a woman who has endured unthinkable trauma reclaims her power and rewrites her story? Marni Spencer Devlin's journey from childhood abuse to addiction to extraordinary transformation will leave you breathless and inspired.

From her earliest memories of parental neglect and childhood molestation to the dark decade she spent as a drug-addicted, homeless criminal, Marni's story begins in places most of us can't imagine. But it's what happens next that makes her narrative so powerful. After turning herself in to authorities and serving time in prison, she made the profound choice to use her incarceration as personal rehabilitation rather than punishment.

The transformation that followed defies conventional wisdom about second chances. Not only did Marni build a multimillion-dollar marketing company with 70 employees after her release, but she eventually faced something even more challenging than her past: the emptiness of success without purpose. When a terminal hepatitis C diagnosis forced her to confront her mortality, she developed what she now calls "The Iceberg Principle" - the understanding that only 4% of who we truly are is visible to others, while 96% remains hidden beneath the surface.

Through candid conversation, Marni shares how she finally found genuine happiness not through external achievements, but by identifying and expressing her authentic self. Her insights about self-love and living purposefully offer profound wisdom for anyone feeling stuck, unworthy, or afraid to begin again.

Her new memoir "PHOENIX" dives deep into her exceptional story of overcoming adversity, transforming herself and most importantly, learning to love herself and thrive, leaning into a beautiful new life.

Whether you're facing adversity, searching for meaning, or simply need proof that transformation is always possible, this episode will remind you that your past doesn't define your future. As Marni so beautifully states, "You are powerful, you are worthy, and you can rise again."

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, beautiful friends, it's Marnie Martin, and
you are going to love today'sepisode.
Our guest today is a powerhousehuman and her story is going to
blow your mind.
From her early beginnings ofmolestation and abuse to drug
addiction, homelessness and evenserving prison time, marnie
Spencer Devlin has triumphedover epic adversity, rebuilt her

(00:23):
life and found a new sense ofpurpose.
She's not only the author ofseveral books, including her new
memoir Phoenix.
She is also a transformationalartist, an executive coach and a
dynamic, sought-after speaker.
If you have ever thought thatyou are not enough or that
second chances are only for thelucky ones, then you are in the

(00:44):
right place and this episode isfor you.
So stick around.
You're not going to want tomiss this.
I'm a multi-passionateentrepreneur, best-selling
author, foodie and voiceoverartist, and I created the Life
is Delicious podcast with onesimple mission in mind to help

(01:07):
you add more flavor to your lifeand to help you write your own
recipe for a life that feedsyour soul.
I'm so glad you're here.
This episode of Life'sDelicious is brought to you by
Happy Is Not An Accident, aguided journal with awesome,
inspiring prompts, exercises anddeep, thought-provoking

(01:29):
questions to help you gainmassive clarity about what
lights you up, what weighs youdown and who you want to become,
while you write your own uniqueand delicious recipe for a life
that feeds your soul.
You can get your copy atlifeisdeliciousca forward slash
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(01:50):
Welcome, marnie, to the show.
I'm so grateful to have youhere.
You are a powerhouse woman andyour story is incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Marnie, thank you so much for having me on your show.
I mean, I always feel asMarlene if need to stick
together, and so I'mparticularly excited to be on
your show today.
The things that you and I talkabout are so similar.
We're all talking about helpingparticularly women live their
best life and rise to the bestthat they can be, and so I

(02:20):
zeroed in on you recent timeswith your latest book that you
had come out, the Journal.
I loved that.
I actually bought it andbecause there's just so many
great ideas in there that I feelwould help my clients.
It's just you have a great wayof helping people figure
themselves out.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Oh, I thank you.
I appreciate that.
It's something I'm verypassionate about, and that's why
I wanted to have you on theshow as well, because your story
is so inspiring, it's so juicyand layered, and I really look
forward to having our listenerslearn more about you.
So take me back to a youngMarnie, and how did you kind of

(02:58):
get started in the beginning ofsome of this trauma that you
went through?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Well, my story was a bit of a roller coaster ride,
and I'm dating myself a littlebit.
My parents were both survivorsof the Second World War and had
not come away from it veryeasily.
Both of them just reallyshattered.
And then those two shatteredpeople meet and get together and
then they have me as a child,and my mother had already had

(03:22):
two children, two young sons,and her husband didn't come back
from the war and then shemarried my father and she just
did not want another kid.
She was looking for a providerand for a father for her
existing kids.
She did not want another kid.
She was really suffering fromdepression and had a really hard
time, and so I just kind of gotthe short end of the stick.
I know my parents did the verybest that they could, but I just

(03:47):
sort of got a lot of messagesthat, oh, you'll never amount to
nothing.
My father said to me once oh,you better marry soon because
you're not all that bright andyou're not going to be able to
make it in life.
So it's all these messages thatI walked away with that were
not particularly helpful.
Add to that to the mix that mymother's second son, my brothers

(04:13):
, were 12 and 14 years olderthan me.
So I came along very late andmy one brother molested me
pretty much early on for thefirst 10 years of my life.
And when that comes along andwhy I think why molestation is
such a particularly damagingthing is because it happens
during the time when you'resupposed to be developing this

(04:36):
idea that you're this worthyhuman being and then someone
comes and abuses you duringthose early years.
It is very detrimental.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, and that would really impact your attachment
style and the way you identifywith what love and connection is
.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Absolutely, absolutely, without even knowing
that, because that's all youknow.
It's how you grow up, so yeah,you're very right on that.
Marnie.
And then add to that that myfather had this strange idea
again that I should get marriedvery early.
So at 12 years old he set me upon a date with this young man.
And I'm this gawky 12 year old,I mean, I'd never been on a

(05:14):
date, nor had I ever wanted togo on a date and it was an
awkward affair.
And on the way home after thedinner, instead of taking me
home to my parents, he took meinto a secluded parking lot and
raped me.
That's my next introduction tohuman beings.
And then later on, at 14, I gotraped again and then I met what

(05:36):
was my high school crush and Ithought he would take me away
from all these horrible things.
So I got married very early.
I got married at 17, rightaround the same time that I was
discovered as this professionalmodel.
And at first my young husbandwas all proud that his wife's a
model, until he realized thatthat meant that people were

(05:58):
looking at me, People werelooking at his wife and he was
insanely jealous.
And he was just getting crazierand crazier and I didn't see it
.
And one day he just trying tofind a way to control me.
He wanted me to stop modeling,which of course I didn't want to
do.
And so one day he came homewith heroin, with a syringe of

(06:18):
heroin and I had no connectionto any of that in my life.
But he did it very intentionallywith the idea he would talk me
into taking that he would get mehooked on heroin so that he
would be able to control me.
I didn't want to do it, and ittook him many hours to talk me
into it.
And then finally he called me achicken and I didn't want to be
a chicken.
So I said yes, and so that wasthe start to me becoming

(06:42):
addicted to drugs.
And he also beat me and it wasreally awful.
So eventually I got away fromhim, but because it was just so
dead inside I didn't really carehow much he threatened me
anymore, but I could not getaway from the drugs.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
It's amazing, though that so often and we hear this
when we hear stories aboutpeople that even though it's
broken and it doesn't work, youstill go looking for something
that is kind of similar to whatyou know right.
So, meeting that man thinkinghe was going to be different.
But probably there were somesigns you know with that that he

(07:18):
was going to not treat you withthe respect that you deserve.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Absolutely, but of course I didn't realize that
then, in order to have somethingdifferent in your life, you
have to offer somethingdifferent, and I didn't know to
offer anything different.
I put forth the same energythat I had from childhood on,
and so, yeah, of course I gotexactly the same thing over and
over again, and so he reallycouldn't be anything other than

(07:45):
what I had already experienced.
It gets better, but for thenext 10 years it didn't get
better.
For the next 10 years I was ajunkie and there were the things
that you read about in thepapers and I was a criminal and
I became a prostitute and it wasjust an awful life.
Eventually, I ended up homeless.

(08:07):
I was just like those peoplethat you see in the corner dirty
homeless, like those peoplethat you see in the corner, you
know, dirty homeless.
And that's a really, reallytough thing, because it's just
so dirty around you and so coldand so ugly that something in me
just burst open and I said tomyself you know what I deserve?
Better than this, and that wasprobably the first time in my

(08:29):
life that I ever felt I deservedanything, and that was probably
the first time in my life thatI ever felt I deserved anything.
So it was sort of my bit forrising upward and I didn't have
any concept of what that meant.
I just knew I deserved better.
And I turned myself into thepolice, where you know I
committed crimes and I wanted tojust face it all and get it
over with.
I write about that in my bookPhoenix, and that story is

(08:52):
almost a bit funny, becausethere would normally, as a known
junkie, I would be arrestedconstantly, and that day when I
wanted to get myself arrested,wanted to turn myself, and
nobody wanted me.
It took me all day long in thatcourt to get somebody to pay
attention to me and arrest me sothat I could start my life over
again.
And so I did.
And I was hoping that because Iturned myself in I would just

(09:15):
get a little slap on the wristand then, you know, just do a
little bit of time and thenstart my life.
But it was not to be.
I was actually sentenced toprison, state prison.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Well, that certainly took an enormous amount of
courage.
Paint us a picture of what wasgoing through your mind at that
time.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Oh, I was terrified.
I cannot describe to you,marnie, how scared I was of that
, but I was sentenced to twoyears in prison.
When I was first sentenced Ireally thought oh, this is it.
God hates me and cannot forgiveme for all the horrible things
that I did, and there was justno way out for me, no redemption
.
But then I also thought, youknow, I had really kind of come

(09:54):
to the opinion that everythinghappens for a good reason and I
thought maybe there is some goodin this, maybe I can get
something out of this.
And that really is how itturned out to be.
It turned out to be the bestthing that had ever happened to
me.
I'd been this junkie, I'd beenon the street, and so what would
made me think that I would justsuddenly just turn around and

(10:17):
go okay, everything's going tobe fine from now on.
So I decided to look at myprison time sort of as my
personal rehab and I could focuson myself.
For better or for worse, you'retaken care of.
I mean, I had a bed to sleep inand I had a place to stay, and
I decided to use that time toreally better myself and I
worked out, I exercised, Ideveloped myself spiritually and

(10:42):
just really.
After the two years were over,I was a completely new person.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
What an amazing testament to the resilience of
the human spirit and what awonderful gift you gave yourself
, turning yourself in and givingyourself a chance to begin
again.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
I think everything is always what you make it, and
for me, I had decided as soon asI got in there I'm going to
make this a good experience formyself.
And there are crazy things thathappen in there, of course, and
you know it is prison andthings aren't always all that
pleasant, but for the most part,for that matter, there's drugs
in there and you could get drugs.

(11:20):
The first place where I took, Ihad roommates and they used on
a daily basis, and so it wascertainly there.
I decided I just did not wantthat anymore.
So I got myself moved to adifferent room and that worked
out and it just I was acompletely different person by
the time I got out.

(11:44):
So you were able to see thishorrible experience as a sort of
silver lining just hit bottom.
I just couldn't go any lower.
I didn't have it in me to say,oh, there's a rise, there's a
silver, or I can rise or I'mworthy.
None of that was a concept forme in my life.

(12:05):
I had no idea that I could riseor that I was worthy of
anything.
I just knew I didn't deservethis.
And if you think about it, theyalways say, oh, you have to hit
bottom.
Well, what does that reallymean If you're in a pool or
something and you can't swim,and so you sink down to the
bottom?
Only when you really hit downto the bottom can you push off
and propel yourself upward.
So I propelled myself upwardbecause I wanted to breathe, and

(12:28):
so I came to the surface and Itook my first real breath as a
worthy human being.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Wow, what an interesting way of seeing rock
bottom as a way to propelyourself back to where you truly
belong.
So what happened next, once yougot out of prison?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Somebody gave me a job.
Somebody gave me a chance.
They gave me a job in amarketing company me a job.
Somebody gave me a chance.
They gave me a job in amarketing company and it turned
out marketing was something thatI really enjoyed and I was good
at and I excelled in that joband it was great and it was just
wonderful to excel at somethingthat was, you know, good.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
I remember you saying in a previous conversation we
had that a lot of people believethat once you've been to prison
, that your life is basicallyover and that no one will ever
see you the same way or give youa chance.
But you refuse to believe that.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, everything comes from inside of you.
You can say that, and then thatcan be true, and everything
that you say and see will showup that way and nobody will give
you a chance.
But I had changed my mindbefore already, and so somebody
did give me a chance.
What you say is true is truefor you, and how wonderful is
that.
To know that, to know there'sno outside influences that exert

(13:46):
any kind of power over youother than your own beliefs,
your own thoughts, and it'smagic.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
It is magic.
I speak a lot about theagreements we make with
ourselves through our thoughtsand our words, and it's so
incredibly powerful.
We are incredibly powerful.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
It just worked for me .
You know, I'm rising, I'm goodat this job.
And a couple three years laterrising, I'm good at this job,
and a couple three years later,I started my own company and I
was somehow good at that.
I'm not saying it was easy, Imean I worked myself to death.
I worked 24 hours a day, but Iwas so determined to make a
better life for myself that Isort of enjoyed that too, and I

(14:28):
enjoyed standing back and going.
Look at you, girl, look at whatyou're doing.
I have a company now andsometimes it's really insane,
but I did.
I did it.
I was doing it.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
That is so beautiful to hear that you were able to
take all the pain in your pastand channel it into something
beyond your previous ability tothrive.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Absolutely.
That pain does not have to dragyou down.
It can be a catalyst to acompletely new life, and that's
really what it was for meBeautiful.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
So tell me how the next chapter of your life played
out, because it certainly wasnight and day to where you had
been, and also why the title ofyour book, phoenix, is so
incredibly poignant and perfect.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
The company kept on getting bigger and bigger and I
started hiring more and moreemployees and all of a sudden,
my life is completely changed.
You got to think, not that longago, what felt like to me a
minute ago?
I was homeless and now I'mbuying myself a mansion in
Southern California overlookingthe ocean, and I have brand new

(15:35):
cars in the garage andhobnobbing with the rich and
famous, and I'm a sponsor of thesymphony.
I mean, I was living acompletely different life and it
came out of that trajectory ofI deserve better and better, got
better and better and betterand better and better.
There's really no end to howgood it can get, and that's true

(15:58):
for everybody.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yes, it is.
And isn't it interesting thatwe quite often impose our own
glass ceilings onto our liveswhen, if we really allowed
ourselves to get out of our ownway, we could do so much more?
So how did you navigate thiscompletely new life?

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Well, you know, navigating that life is actually
a really good way of putting it, Marnie, because it really.
It was so different fromanything I'd known.
You know, coming from beingtold I'm stupid and I'm still.
I still thought I was stupidbut somehow I just thought all
this stuff happened to me.
And from being told that'mstupid and I'm still, I still
thought I was stupid but somehowI just thought all this stuff
happened to me.
And from being told that Iwould not amount to anything.

(16:38):
And then all of a sudden I lookand I'm a multimillionaire and
it's, it just was so crazy andI'd worked so hard and I was
really proud of myself forhaving and I used to go to the
computer and look at the numberof my net worth just to, because
I couldn't believe it, justkeep looking at it, because the

(17:01):
really weird thing was here.
I live in this beautiful home,I'm looking straight out on the
ocean and I got these bignumbers on my net worth, but I
wasn't happy Interesting, Iwasn't happy.
And then of course I wasberating myself, because I'm
used to berating myself.
So it's like what the heck iswrong with you?

(17:21):
You've got it all, you workedso hard, you've got it all and
you're still not happy.
You've been successful.
You have all these people.
I have 70 employees at thatpoint.
Wow, that's a lot All thesepeople looking up to me and
looking to me for theirlivelihood and I was proud of
that.
But I wasn't happy and Icouldn't figure out what the

(17:42):
heck that was all about and Iwas really kind of spiraling.
On that one, I finally went onantidepressants because I was
really getting suicidal becauseI thought there was just no hope
for me.
Now things are so good and I'mreally getting suicidal Because
I thought there was just no hopefor me.
Now things are so good and I'mstill not happy, not feeling.
Every morning I wake up and I'mdepressed and and I just
couldn't figure it out.

(18:02):
And then all of a sudden Istarted starting to feel bad and
I'm starting to be tired allthe time.
And then I thought, like yousaid, well, maybe I'm just
working too much.
And I went to the doctor and hesays oh, you know what?
You're just getting old.
And all of a sudden guess what?
I discovered that I have hep C,hepatitis C, and it was a

(18:22):
particularly bad strain and Iwas getting sicker and sicker
and they told me I had about ayear to live.
Wow, that's scary.
That was a shocker.
You know, all of a sudden Ihave all this and now, none of
it really means anything, andI'm looking at, I'm not going to
be here by Christmas.

(18:43):
What was this crazy life allabout?
Am I here for any reason at all?
Am I just some cosmic joke?
I just came and it was bad, andthen it got good and now I'm
gone.
I just really had this darknight of the soul when I just
came face to face with myself.
I'm just, I'm going to endright here, and it was such an

(19:05):
extreme moment for me and all ofa sudden, this peace just
overcame me.
But it doesn't really matter.
All this working hard is notwhat it's all about.
I just have to be who I am.
I exist.
I have to be who I am, and thatalone, all of a sudden, I felt
a certain peace and I felt ahappiness.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
And how did you find the?
Did it make you sort of realizethat you had a short time to do
whatever you had left to do?
So you better appreciate it andlean into it.
Is that where you were kind offeeling?

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yes, I had that idea and that's where that concept of
the iceberg principles was born.
I had this.
I did a lot of meditating, alot of introspection, trying to
find a way out of it and Irealized that we sort of are a
little bit like an iceberg.
Like you know, when you look atan iceberg or, for that matter,
an ice cube, if you've got aglass of water in front of you,

(20:02):
you'll see that most of the icecube is underwater and only a
tiny, tiny bit shows actually atthe surface.
And it's always the samepercentage it's 96% is hidden
and only 4% are on top.
And I thought, you know, it'sreally the same thing with human

(20:25):
beings, because who we are,what shows what's sitting in
your chair right now, is reallyonly 4% of who you are, only 4%
of who you are.
And if I see and I look at you,I see you're pretty blonde and
you're all and I know you'reobviously interested in things
and you have a podcast, but itdoesn't really tell me what

(20:45):
really makes you tick and whatyou're all about.
All the things that who youreally are don't show on the
surface and we could have somehorrible accident where God
forbid you lose your arm.
You're always going to be, oh,the girl that lost an arm.
But all those things that makeyou tick, the things that you're
interested in, your talents,your gifts, all those things,

(21:08):
they would never be affected bythat.
They would still be the same.
So the intangible aspects areexactly.
They're really what we areabout and it's about, I think,
life is about figuring out whatare those intangible aspects,
what is it who we really are,and to express that in the 4% in

(21:30):
the surface and showing that.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
That's a really great concept because we are so much
deeper than we appear and Ithink it's really important to
lean into those gifts and to beable to use them and bring them
to the surface more often.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Isn't that cool.
I mean, really the concept wasso, it just hit me at the time.
But I mean, that's sort of whatyour work is all about.
You know your last book, theHappy Accident, figuring out
your own recipe and figuring outwho am I really?
What is it that is in my 96%,in my intangible?
What doesn't show on thesurface and what can I express

(22:10):
on the outside?

Speaker 1 (22:12):
And what's so fascinating about that is that
what a lot of people don'trealize, just like a lot of your
experience, what you wentthrough, where you feel like
you're just at the will ofwhat's happening to you, but we
actually get to create whathappens to us and what we allow
into our life, what we allowinto our mental and emotional

(22:33):
space, and that's something thatI think, once you figure that
out, all of a sudden everythingshifts.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
That's exactly what happened with me.
Everything shifted.
From this realization came inthis dark night of the soul,
came this idea of the reason.
I'm not happy Because in allthat time and with all that hard
work I never really askedmyself it's what is in my 96%,
what would I really love toexpress?

(23:04):
I kept on going to my net worthand my computer and looking at
the numbers and it meant nothingto me and I thought at the time
oh well, that means because I'mungrateful and I'm not grateful
.
No, but you know what?
The reason it didn't meananything to me is because money
doesn't mean that much to me.
It's that hardworking and thatglitzy lifestyle and that

(23:26):
$100,000 sports car in thegarage doesn't mean that much to
me.
It's not who I am.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
What did you figure out was really at the core of
your 96%?

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Well, for me personally, what happened is
well, they tell me, I have ayear to live, so I really kind
of have to get my affairs inorder.
My business went away andthat's a whole nother story, but
that was gone.
I had a bunch of real estate.
I was all over the place and Isold all that.
I just sort of divested myself,got myself ready to leave, got

(24:02):
my affairs in order, and then Ithought what do I do now?
I'm going to spend my timedoing the things that I really
love, which for me, is art.
I'm an artist Also.
I do large scale paintings.
At the time I was doingportraiture and people loved my
portraiture and I was doing that.
And then I thought well, youknow what my story is so crazy?

(24:23):
People had always told me oh,you should write a book, and so
I sat down and I wrote my firstbook.
It was called Crawling Into theLight.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Great title, by the way.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
It's not as good as Phoenix.
Phoenix is much better.
Phoenix is also my memoir.
Phoenix is better.
Yeah, I've got four books undermy belt by now, but it's my
story.
And so here I am, all of asudden.
I'm a writer and I'm an artistand I'm happy these days.
I'm happy because I amexpressing what's in me and I'm
bringing that out and that'swhat's meaningful to me and

(24:55):
that's where my joy lies.
It wasn't in the money, itwasn't in the working hard, it
wasn't into all of that.
When you figure out who you areand bring that out, your
purpose in life is to be who youare.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Self-actualization is a big piece of that, and so
much of what's interesting isthat, even if you're similar to
someone else, there is nobody inthe world that can bring
whatever gift you have or gift.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Isn't that fascinating.
Out of 8 billion people, I mean, sometimes you go see and
you've seen a big crowd andeverybody's sort of funny
looking and everybody's sort ofweird.
But the thing that alwaysstrikes me is nobody is like
anybody else, everybody's unique, and why would the universe
bring forth such an incrediblediversity if it weren't for its
expression?

(25:43):
That's it.
Everyone's job is to be whothey are and realize that.
You are here.
There's only one, you and youshould show up, and that's what
the fun is anyway.
I mean, those are the thingsthat are the most fun.
Why do you like what you like?
Because that expresses you themost.
So figure out what you like anddo that.
Life's not so hard really.

(26:04):
We make it really hard, we'rereally good at that.
But it was living somebodyelse's agenda.
They told me work hard and makea lot of money and you'll be
happy.
And that's not true.
You have to be you in order tobe happy.
You know before, when my momnot really loving me and not
really anybody being there I waschasing love all my life,

(26:26):
looking, trying to find somebodyto love me, and ended up in a
whole lot of ugly places,feeling unlovable and getting
exactly that mirrored back to me, and so I was abused everywhere
.
But once I finally recognizedmyself, I became a friend to
myself.
I finally listened to my innervoice and said you know, do the

(26:48):
things that I wanted to do.
Then, in that process, I becamea friend to myself and so I
stopped having to look for loveoutside of me and I learned to
love myself.
It might sound really kind ofcorny, but that's really true.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
It is true, and that's where all the magic lies
in the learning to love ourselfand to get to know ourselves
intimately, so that we can findour center and stay grounded in
our authentic self, no matterwhat the world throws at us.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Absolutely, and doesn't it just feel?
Life feels great when you loveyourself.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
I'm so grateful that you have chosen to take your
story and to share it withpeople so that they can
understand that it's not alwaysthe end of the road.
When things don't go the wayyou think they are.
There's always another way.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Well, thank you so much and again, thank you for
giving me the opportunity tojust really express that message
.
That's just my happiness totell people that you are
powerful, you are worthy and youcan rise again.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Beautiful.
I'm so glad we got to have thisconversation, so I definitely
will link in the show notes allof your books and where people
can find you.
But maybe just tell them wherethey can find you on social
media if they want to connectwith you directly.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I can go to my website, which is
MarnieSpencerDevlincom allwritten in one word.
You can find Marnie SpencerDevlin on Facebook and on
Instagram as well.
My books are all on Amazon.
It's probably easiest if you gounder my author name first
Marnie Spencer Devlin.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
And that's, by the way, marnie with an I and I have
Marnie with an E, so if you'relooking for Marnie Spencer
Devlin, you got to do it withjust M-A-R-N-I.
Thank you for being here.
Marnie again, be well.
Wow, what a powerful episodeand what a fascinating woman who
has gone through adversity andhas managed to rise from the

(28:41):
ashes just like a phoenix.
Here are a few of today'stakeaways from our conversation.
It's never too late to riseupward.
No matter how bleak yourcircumstances have been, you can
always choose something better.
The natural rhythm of theuniverse is that after the dark

(29:02):
there is always light.
What you say is true is alwaystrue for you.
Use your words and thoughtscarefully to tell a better story
and watch your life changeright before your eyes.
The sky is the limit.
We don't need to believe that wecan only achieve so much or

(29:24):
that we can only deserve thismuch good, because we are
capable of anything we canimagine for ourselves.
Your pain does not have to dragyou down or define you.
It can be a catalyst forsomething amazing.
We have to be who we truly are,and without apology.
Only a small portion of who wetruly are is visible at any

(29:48):
given moment, just like aniceberg.
We are so much deeper.
It is our birthright to use andbring our unique gifts to the
surface and allow them to shine.
Expressing who we are and whowe are meant to be in this world
is where the real joy lies.
Life doesn't have to be hard.

(30:09):
We make it that way all byourselves.
The best friend you will everhave is yourself, so treat
yourself with the same care andrespect you would treat your
best friend.
This is my favorite.
You are powerful, you areworthy and you can rise again.

(30:31):
Thank you for being here today.
If you want to grab your copyof Marnie's book Phoenix, you
can find a link atlifeisdeliciousca forward slash
bookshelf.
That's lifeisdeliciouscaforward slash bookshelf.
I hope you loved today'sepisode and that it gave you
some inspiration and wisdom totransform your own life, and if

(30:52):
you did, I would love it if youwould share this with someone
you love who maybe needs alittle inspiration of their own.
Don't forget to subscribe, andI would also love it if you
would do me a huge favor andtake 30 seconds to leave me a
review on Apple Podcasts.
This is the only way that Iactually know that you're
enjoying the show and it reallyhelps other listeners find us as

(31:15):
well.
Finally, come on over to myfree online Facebook community
at Life is Delicious.
We have juicy conversations andother special content that I
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I'll be back next week and Ihope you'll join me right here
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