June 17, 2025 • 34 mins
What would happen if you discovered a natural talent you never knew you had? That's exactly what happened to Burton, who found himself unexpectedly thrust into the role of an artist when his sign business's cartoonist suddenly left. This discovery completely transformed his business and his entire approach to work—leading him to realize he "never worked a day in his life beyond that."
In this special Father's Day episode, I sit down with my dad Burton to launch our new monthly series "Coffee with Burton," exploring the concept of "show-through talents"—those innate abilities we're born with rather than skills we've learned or earned through effort. Our conversation travels from Burton's early artistic awakening to his midlife pivot becoming a caricature artist, capturing strangers' personalities along with their unique features and sense's of humour.
The stories Burton shares about his caricature clients are absolutely heartwarming—from the couple whose suggestive "boating" reference he playfully captured (who returned the next year with a baby), to drawing a woman in a wheelchair with jetpacks to bring her adventure-loving spirit to life. These experiences highlight how creative expression creates meaningful human connections.
As Burton wisely notes, "If you can just get past that mindset to the place where you can take the time to do something that you absolutely love and start to implement that into your life... it changes your life completely." Whether you're considering a career change or simply wanting to bring more joy into your days, this conversation will inspire you to honor your natural talents and be sure not to "Die with your music still in you".
Ready to express your unique gifts? Listen now, and discover how stepping just outside your comfort zone might lead to your most fulfilling chapter yet.
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Slash happy.
Hey, beautiful friend, welcomeback to Life is Delicious.
Today we are doing something alittle bit extra special.
I am doing a Father's Dayepisode and I actually am super
excited because I've gotactually one of my very favorite
people in the whole world herewith me today, and unfortunately
he's not here with me in person, but, as you might be able to
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guess, it's my dad and his nameis Burton, and we are going to
start a new little series calledCoffee with Burton that we'll
do once a month and it'll justgive you a little bit of a
window into our relationship,and he's got a ton of wisdom to
share.
So we're just going to have areally great conversation and I
hope you enjoy it.
Hey, dad, nice to have you here.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well, it's nice to be here.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Happy Father's Day, by the way.
Thank you, dear.
So we've been talking as we doall the time.
For most of you that don'tprobably know much about our
relationship, my dad and I havekind of been armchair
philosophers as long as I canremember, and we will sit up
into the wee, wee hours of themorning and talk about all kinds
of things spirituality andgratitude and philosophy, and
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just all kinds of greatpossibilities and ideas.
So we were talking the other dayabout a concept that we talk
about quite a lot actually, andit's called show through talents
, and I love show throughtalents and they're the kind of
thing that you didn't learn andyou didn't earn.
It's something that you wereborn with, and my dad and I are
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both very super duper creativepeople.
So today I wanted to talk tohim a little bit about his show
through talent, and that is hisartistic ability.
So, dad, what do you thinkabout show through talents?
Obviously, you found yourselfas a young man realizing that
you had this talent, that youjust knew that you could foster
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that and hone it.
So when did that start for you?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Well, it's funny because I didn't intend to be an
artist of any kind but I endedup taking a course commercial
sign writing and that kind ofgot the whole thing started.
And I had some staff.
I had one fellow that was anincredible cartoonist and he
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worked for me and then one dayhe decided to go on to some
company down in California andnow I had all these customers
and I didn't have any way tohave somebody to do the work.
And we just thought about thatfor a minute and we said, well,
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I'm going to give it a shot andI have to take over and do it
myself because we've gotcustomers waiting in the wings.
So the first few times waspretty scary, but quickly
realized that it's something youshould have been long ago or
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before and it just all of asudden happened and I didn't
have any choice.
So I hopped in the saddle andstarted doing the artwork that
we needed to do in my shop andit changed my whole life.
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It changed the dynamic of how Iworked.
It changed a lot of things howI worked.
It changed a lot of things, andit also what was really also
interesting was that all of asudden it started.
My business started to makemoney because I could start
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soliciting that kind of work andknowing that we could put it
together and do it work.
And knowing that we could putit together and do it.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Isn't that something when we have those moments where
you know it's not a plannedthing but we just, you know,
life kind of has an agenda andsays, here you go, you can do
this, and so you step up to thechallenge.
And it's amazing the thingsthat we can actually accomplish
when we rip the bandaid off andgive it a shot.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
That's a fact.
Yeah, I've always felt that Icould do just about anything.
I mean, that was just kind ofhow I was brought up, knowing
that there were no limitations.
If you wanted to do somethingand you wanted it badly enough,
you could somehow make it work.
That's how I got into the signbusiness in the first place,
because that's really a creativebusiness and it's an artistic
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business.
But it's a little bit differentfrom freelance artists to be a
freelance artist.
It's hard to explain, but allof a sudden one day you just
realize that hey, this is youand you can do this, and we
never really look back afterthat.
Once you understand that youhave this ability and that you
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can go for it, good or bad, andthen you foster that and you get
better at it because you'reworking at it.
It just changed my life and Inever look back after that.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, it's amazing how the resilience factor when
you and, of course, when we'retrying something new like we're
going to fall on our face everyonce in a while and we're going
to make big mistakes but unlesswe actually forge through those
mistakes and I know for surefrom watching you in your sign
shop and from growing up in thatenvironment that I know for
sure that there were lots oftimes that you hit huge
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roadblocks and you were like,well, I got to figure out how to
do this, so you would MacGyverit and come up with a new way or
design some other kind ofgadget that would make it easier
, and you just kind of figuredit out along the way.
And that's kind of the fun partabout being a creative person,
because over the years, afteryou do that often enough, you
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start to really be able to trustin your ability to figure
things out that's the truth, andbut I was just thinking while
when you were speaking therethat I almost never looked for a
job.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I always felt that I wanted to be self-employed.
And it's a different mindsetaltogether, because when you're
self-employed you see all kindsof opportunities that you don't
look for when you're an employedperson, because then they
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employ you and now you're doingthat specific job, but all of a
sudden the lid comes off and youcan go in any direction that
you want, and it was so.
It was really exciting, andafter that it just felt like I
never worked a day in my lifebeyond that.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I love that so much.
Yeah, and and you know what Ithink 100%.
That's why I am in the positionthat I'm in now, because I know
I was an employee for manyyears.
I had a bunch of different jobs.
I worked in the restaurantindustry, which I was the boss
in that particular, but beforethat I had actually worked as a
server in lots of restaurantsand I just kind of found that
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being an employee for mepersonally, I felt like I was
kind of in a box Because, likeyou say, there's only one hat
that you really wear.
And, as a creative, for myselfpersonally, I really thrive when
I'm wearing more than one hat,usually two or three at least,
and that's where I shine rightand I know you're the same way.
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That's where I shine right andI know you're the same way, and
I'm sure that a lot of that camefrom me watching you figure
things out and excel at thingsand try new things, which was
awesome.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, and sometimes the things you try don't work.
But as long as you're willingto take a bit of risk and go for
it anyway, it's amazing whatyou can do.
Yeah, if you just put your mindto it, it's amazing.
You surprise yourself and yougo.
I can't believe.
I just did that, you know, andit really stretches our
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abilities.
And I think it's too bad whenpeople are afraid to step out on
the edge and live on the edgeor just a little bit outside the
box, because that's reallywhere your best self is.
It's just outside.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Just outside the comfort zone.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Yeah, that's one of the thingsI like to discuss and bring to
light here on Life is Deliciouslike to discuss and bring to
light here on Life is Deliciousbecause you know, if you're not
growing and changing andexpressing yourself in every
single way, you know there'sjust so much more joy that you
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can extract from life whenyou're kind of taking some of
those risks.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I think so.
That's how I've basically livedmost of my life after that.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I didn't need any guarantees.
If it looked like it'ssomething that I should be able
to do or that was needed doing,you just jump in with all your
feet and away you go, andsometimes it collapses.
Feet and away you go andsometimes it collapses.
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And if you're not afraid of therisk, it's amazing what you can
accomplish.
We're given these talents.
I I believe that we're bornwith a lot of talents and
abilities that that we aren'teven aware of until we need them
in our life, and as long as wearen't afraid to accept the fact
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that we need them and we havethis ability, we can go anyplace
.
We can do anything, and it'sreally just about mindset that's
what it really is is convincingyourself that you can do this.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Well, and I think what's really interesting is
that when you look at it fromand that's why you know you and
I talk about show-throughtalents, because those are the
things that generally comereally easily to you.
And we're taught in societymaybe less today than we were
years and years ago, but we weretaught in a lot of society that
you know you need to struggle.
And so I know for sure I wentthrough phases where I'm like,
well, I can't do that for aliving, like that's just too
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easy.
You know, like I shouldprobably be grinding or hustling
or you know, and that's justthe culture that we have been
brought up in.
And so you know now, when youlook at these things that come
naturally to you, like maybeyou're an amazing photographer
and maybe you have an ability tospeak with people that inspires
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them, like it doesn't have tobe necessarily painting an art
class, it could be all kinds ofthings and you don't even have
to do it for a living.
Now you certainly can, but Ithink when you're given these
show-through talents, I thinkone of the most important things
you can do to honor yourself isto express them in one way or
another.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I absolutely agree with that, Because just about
everybody has.
Well, maybe everybody is bornwith abilities that they never
knew they had, because, asthey're growing up, first of all
, there's no slot for that.
You know, for your show throughtalent, if you will, and we're
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taught to follow the road andnot to deviate because that's
going to shake something up, andso we just sort of move those
talents and abilities that wehave and stick them in the back
burner somewhere.
And I talk to people almostevery day about there's people
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that say, well, I did a lot ofartwork before, but I'm just a
poor, starving artist and I saiddon't ever say that to me again
, because there's no such thingas a poor starving anything.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
That's a mindset right there.
Yeah, absolutely.
And a lot of people that havemore than one talent.
They'll say well, I'm not ajewelry maker, I'm an accountant
, but I just make jewelry on theside.
Or I'm a lawyer, but I teachmusic lessons on the side.
You can be both things.
You can be an accountant and ajewelry maker.
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You can be a lawyer and a musicteacher.
And if that's something thatlights you up and makes you feel
good, then you shouldabsolutely do that and own it
and speak it out loud and don'tbe afraid to go off the beaten
path, because that's where allthe good stuff is.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
That's exactly right.
It's amazing, once you takethat first step I'm going to say
outside the box, that's used alittle too much sometimes but
once we do that and realize thatit's okay and how it feels, and
allow yourself to accept thattalent that you have and to
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nurture it, man, it can changeyour life in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, and they even say that, for people who are
able to express, play whetherit's a creative endeavor like an
art class or learning a newlanguage or taking up a sport
like pickleball or somethinglike that it engages your brain
and your senses in a differentway and actually there's
scientific studies that show itactually helps you to live
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longer.
Oh, I didn't know that, butthat sounds like a good idea.
There you go, there you go.
Well, I know that one of thereasons I wanted to talk to you
about this particular topictoday is because I just got to
thinking the other day.
You in your life you were a signpainter and then you were a
window painter and you paintedmurals on various restaurants
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and hotels and buildings andeverywhere.
So you had a very diversecareer as an artist.
But then, I know you did a bitof a left turn and I started to
think about it and I think thatreally happened in midlife and
that is when you decided tobecome a caricature artist and I
know I had a little bit ofsomething to do with that.
(16:18):
But maybe tell a little bitabout that story and how you
started leaning into that andthen what the next step was.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I was always fascinated by watching somebody
be a caricature artist, becausethat's different from being a
regular artist.
A caricature artist brings outthe features and exaggerates
them in some ways.
Some people go really overboardwith it, but just even in
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subtle ways it's a little bitdifferent kind of likenesses.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Dad, just before you carry on, could you explain just
in a really nuts and bolts kindof?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
way what a caricature is for the listeners, in case
they don't know.
When you look at a person andwe all have features on our
faces, particularly faces, let'stalk about that you recognize a
person by the shape of theirnose or the shape of their eyes,
or if they have a crooked toothor something, and these little
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things help you to recognizethat person, that exact person.
And what a caricature artistdoes is they take those little
features.
You learn to see thedifferences and so you learn to
take those features andexaggerate them and make them
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front and center so that youinstantly recognize the person.
And it's really quite a lot offun to do it and it's a lot of
fun for the people if it's donein good faith and done properly.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, and if somebody has a bit of a sense of humor,
but most people so, for thelisteners, if you're not 100%
familiar, it's almost like acartoon likeness of the person,
with a little bit of anexaggeration on, maybe, what
their features on their facemight be that make them
recognizable.
And sometimes I know for you itwasn't just the facial features
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, but that was a part of it.
And then you took it even astep further and added in
personality stuff.
So yeah, so tell me, you know,let's talk about how you got
into that and like, was it scaryfor you to try something that
was a little bit that far leftof the center for you?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yes, that was scary actually.
But my daughter, marnie, whoyou always knew, I kind of
wanted to do that or thoughtabout it and you were working at
a place in California and yousent me a book on how to draw
caricatures and I looked at itand it was just fascinating and
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I think it got me in the rightdirection, to where, all of a
sudden, I'm going to figure thisout and I'm going to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I was working at this really great little
restaurant in Los Angeles calledMimi's Cafe.
It was a French bistro and theyhad a bar that would, you know,
go in the front where withstools, but you know, people
would come in and sit bythemselves and maybe have a bowl
of oatmeal or coffee orbreakfast.
And there was this onegentleman that used to come in
and sit at the very end of thebar and that was my section, so
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I can't remember what his namewas, but he would bring in his
sketchbook and he would juststart drawing the staff and he
would draw customers that weresitting next to him and he would
just chat everybody up and hewould have this really cool
interaction with people.
And I just got to really get toknow him and his story and I
thought, holy moly, my dad coulddo that, and I think that's
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what inspired me to buy you thatbook.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It certainly got me going in the right direction and
I when I think about gettingstarted in that business so it
was.
That was a little bit scary,because it's one thing to be
able to do that and it's anotherthing to be able to sit out in
public and do it in front of acrowd.
So I wanted to be able tomaster this.
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So I actually sat at home, Isat down on the floor and used
my coffee table as a table andin front of my TV, and I would
draw the people on TV, on thecommercials, on shows, and I'd
draw and draw, and draw and draw, because I wanted to learn this
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until it was second nature andI could do it pretty well.
And then I had enough courageto.
As a matter of fact, I didn'thave the courage.
My wife says, by the way, Ibooked you in to do caricatures
at the fall fair and I went no,I'm not ready.
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Good for her, yes you're ready,so you're booked.
She said who's got to do it?
Well, it was very scary thefirst few times, but it was also
so much fun that I knew that Ihad to do it.
And so that was the beginning.
And then from there it justblossomed and I got phone calls
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from people I had to put upbusiness cards.
Tourists would come through,you know, when they're on their
way to Vancouver, they're ontheir way someplace.
They'd grab a business card andI was getting these calls to
come in and it was.
It just blossomed.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I know and I love that mom actually did that,
because she had a way and youhad a little bit of a
perfectionism thing where youwanted everything to be
absolutely perfect before youwould actually start.
So I think that was reallysweet of her to see that you
just needed a little kick in thepants to get going.
So tell me about.
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I know when we talked you wouldhave some incredible stories of
the people that you would drawand you know, and then people
would come back year after yearto come to a festival and get
their picture done more thanonce.
So can you remember anyparticular people?
Yeah, tell us a few of thosestories, because they're super
cool.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
First of all, when somebody sat down in front of me
, I would start off by sayingokay, so what do you do when
you're having fun?
What do you like to do whenyou're having fun?
That's I mean mean we're nowdown in the park or we're in a
festival and they're out havingfun, and so this is a good
question to ask.
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It also gives you an idea ofwhat the person is all about,
and you now have something torelate to them with.
It gives you all kinds ofanswers.
I I'd say well.
They might say well, I likedoing this, or I like doing that
, or I like you know, orwhatever, Snowboarding or yeah,
yeah, canoeing or whatever.
Then I would incorporate thatand I would draw them on a
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snowboard or whatever they weredoing.
And some of the some of thestories were really really quite
funny because they're you know,you'd catch them off guard and
they'd say something.
You'd draw that in the pictureand they went oh no, no, no, I
didn't mean that, of course.
That's exactly what they meantand it was always fun.
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What was really interesting isthat I started to have people
come back year after year and insome cases there would be a set
of four or five people thatwere there at the fair and I
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didn't think anything of it.
But they showed up again nextyear and so I said, oh, you guys
are back.
So I'm doing their pictureagain and again and again and
year after year, and it was justinteresting to see how things
changed in their life.
And a couple of them had saidto me it's amazing, you know,
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you're getting better and youknow.
And I said, really good and itwas well, I had a lot of people
saved the caricatures from yearto year and it was just really
too, because you get to know thepeople and that was the most
fun I ever did just trying tomake money, I suppose.
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But I didn't do it.
You don't do stuff like thatfor the money, you do it for the
relationship with the people.
I drew caricatures of peoplethat didn't even speak a lick of
English and so I mean, that'sjust an experience right there.
Then another time there was afellow and a nice looking lady
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were walking by and they stoppedand looked at my booth and so
they nodded and came in and Ididn't realize till after the
fellow sat down and we'retalking about things.
I didn't realize he was totallyblind, and as soon as I
realized that I said well, hehad said you do a nice job.
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Now I said how are you going toknow?
You'll never know whether it'sgood or not.
He said I'll know, don't youworry, I'll know.
It was just that kind ofrelationship with the people and
it's well.
First of all, he was a goodsport, and I know that he's a
good sport, or he wouldn't havesat down and interacted with me
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Exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I think most people that sign up for a caricature
have to, you know, have a bit ofa sense of humor, because
that's the whole point is,you're trying to capture that
moment when they're there, andit's a bit playful for sure.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
There was all types of individuals and all kinds of
people.
It was just the most fun I everhad all my life.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Wow, that's cool.
Is there any particular otherperson besides that guy that
really sticks out in your mind?
That was super fun Because Iknow there was a few stories you
told me.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Well, yeah, there were some.
There was a couple one timecame by and they were kind of
giddy.
They were a young, a youngcouple, I'd say, mid-20s, you
know, and so I said what do youlike to do when you're having
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fun?
She says I like boating.
And then you know, she looksover at him and he snickers.
And then he said I really likeboating.
And then, you know, she looksover at him and he snickers.
And then he said I really likeboating.
And so I'm trying to figure outwhat's going on here.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
You're reading between the lines.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I'm reading between the lines and I drew them on a
boat with a blanket over them,so I kept it in good taste, of
course.
Anyway, did you kept it?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
in good taste Of course, anyway.
Did you nail it?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, and they just went bananas.
When they saw that they wentbecause they didn't think that I
was getting it right.
And next year they came bywho's rolling a baby carriage?
I said I knew it.
I knew it, I knew it.
You guys have been doing someextra bo, said I knew it, I knew
it, I knew it.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You guys have been doing some extra boating.
I see.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
But that kind of thing is just a paraplegic or
quadriplegic.
And she was.
I said so what do you do whenyou're having fun?
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She said that's my opening line.
And her mom said they took herup mountain climbing, or I said
in her wheelchair.
And she said yep, they pushedher up the hill and you know,
and she just had a fabulous time.
So I drew her in thiswheelchair with jetpack coming
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off the back and it was just so.
When I finished she looked atit and went yeah, that's the
thing, and it just.
You know you make their daydoing that and it's so neat.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, that's so great .
Well, I'm so glad that youended up doing that and getting
to express yourself in that way,and I know we've been talking
about you possibly doing somemore of that right now and
picking that back up for you.
We've just recently moved mydad and my mom into an assisted
living for the listeners thatdon't know, and it's a beautiful
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spot and it's such a lovelyplace for them to be and
unfortunately, my mom passed inJanuary, so now my dad's there.
He's got some great friends andeverybody really appreciates it
, so it would be really fun tosee you picking that back up.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Well, I'm working on some ideas and it's going to be
fun.
I'm here for the rest of mylife, so I'm going to make it
worthwhile.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I love that.
So, Dad, what kind of advicewould you give someone who's
maybe at a crossroads in theirlife and they're maybe in the
middle section of their life andneeding just a little bit of a
push to express themselves or tostep just a little bit of a
push to express themselves or tostep into a bigger version of
themselves?
Do you have any advice for that?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Well, I do know that because I've been talking to
some folks in here.
You know that there's a lot ofthere really is truly a lot of
people that have artisticability and some of them have a
(29:56):
little more artistic abilitythan others, but they still love
to express it and but they'realways afraid that they can't
spend too much time doing itbecause they have to make a
living or whatever it is.
You know, now in this placethey're not trying to make a
(30:19):
living so much anymore, but whenyou talk about what they did
for a living and so on, you knoweverybody wants to have a job
because you need a paycheck andso on.
You know everybody wants tohave a job because you need a
paycheck.
But if you can just get pastthat mindset to the place where
(30:44):
you can take the time to dosomething that you really
absolutely love and start toimplement that into your life,
and once you make a little bitof income from that, it changes
your life completely.
It really does you realize that, hey, I have this ability and I
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didn't even know it.
And as soon as they let go ofthe needing to do something that
keeps them in the box and theyget beyond that, all of a sudden
, the lid comes right off andyour life changes almost
immediately.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, dad, and I have followedDr Wayne Dyer for most of our
life, and one of the phrasesthat he has in one of his books
is don't die with your music inyou.
And that certainly isn't meantto be a morbid reality.
What that's meant to be is aninspiration, because whatever
your music is, like you say, youcould have a story to tell.
(31:47):
You could have you might justbe great with children.
Maybe you are able tocommunicate with people and help
them to just listen.
You know, there's all kinds ofdifferent gifts and all kinds of
different music for us all toexpress, and I think, if we can
allow ourselves the opportunityto step into our creativity and
(32:10):
our joy on a daily basis, thateverything just gets so much
better.
Don't you agree, dad?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I absolutely agree with that.
And even if you have a regularcommitment like a job for, and
once you do that, it will changeyour life.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah, I agree, I remember I think it was Steven
Spielberg, I can't remember, butI remember it was a big
screenwriter like that whowanted to create movies, and I
think he had to get up at fouro'clock every morning and write
for three hours before he wentto his day job.
But he committed to doing thatso that he could have the life
that he dreamed about having.
So I think there's always a wayto sneak it in, whether you get
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up an hour earlier or you carveit into your weekend.
There's always a space forsomething that brings you joy
and lights you up from theinside out.
Dad, I have absolutely enjoyedchatting with you today, and you
know what it's so special to beable to spend Father's Day here
with you and have a chat aboutthis stuff.
We're going to do a lot more ofthis.
I hope so.
(33:20):
Yeah, keep an eye out for someother episodes of Life is
Delicious, the Coffee withBurton edition, and we've got
all kinds of really great thingsto talk about, so we'll be
bringing you more of that verysoon.
All right, dad, you have agreat rest of the day and I will
talk to you soon, love you lots.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Love you too, sweetheart.
Thank you, you, you.
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Hey, beautiful friend, welcomeback to Life is Delicious.
Today we are doing something alittle bit extra special.
I am doing a Father's Dayepisode and I actually am super
excited because I've gotactually one of my very favorite
people in the whole world herewith me today, and unfortunately
he's not here with me in person, but, as you might be able to
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guess, it's my dad and his nameis Burton, and we are going to
start a new little series calledCoffee with Burton that we'll
do once a month and it'll justgive you a little bit of a
window into our relationship,and he's got a ton of wisdom to
share.
So we're just going to have areally great conversation and I
hope you enjoy it.
Hey, dad, nice to have you here.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well, it's nice to be here.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Happy Father's Day, by the way.
Thank you, dear.
So we've been talking as we doall the time.
For most of you that don'tprobably know much about our
relationship, my dad and I havekind of been armchair
philosophers as long as I canremember, and we will sit up
into the wee, wee hours of themorning and talk about all kinds
of things spirituality andgratitude and philosophy, and
(03:02):
just all kinds of greatpossibilities and ideas.
So we were talking the other dayabout a concept that we talk
about quite a lot actually, andit's called show through talents
, and I love show throughtalents and they're the kind of
thing that you didn't learn andyou didn't earn.
It's something that you wereborn with, and my dad and I are
(03:23):
both very super duper creativepeople.
So today I wanted to talk tohim a little bit about his show
through talent, and that is hisartistic ability.
So, dad, what do you thinkabout show through talents?
Obviously, you found yourselfas a young man realizing that
you had this talent, that youjust knew that you could foster
(03:44):
that and hone it.
So when did that start for you?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Well, it's funny because I didn't intend to be an
artist of any kind but I endedup taking a course commercial
sign writing and that kind ofgot the whole thing started.
And I had some staff.
I had one fellow that was anincredible cartoonist and he
(04:12):
worked for me and then one dayhe decided to go on to some
company down in California andnow I had all these customers
and I didn't have any way tohave somebody to do the work.
And we just thought about thatfor a minute and we said, well,
(04:35):
I'm going to give it a shot andI have to take over and do it
myself because we've gotcustomers waiting in the wings.
So the first few times waspretty scary, but quickly
realized that it's something youshould have been long ago or
(04:57):
before and it just all of asudden happened and I didn't
have any choice.
So I hopped in the saddle andstarted doing the artwork that
we needed to do in my shop andit changed my whole life.
(05:18):
It changed the dynamic of how Iworked.
It changed a lot of things howI worked.
It changed a lot of things, andit also what was really also
interesting was that all of asudden it started.
My business started to makemoney because I could start
(05:38):
soliciting that kind of work andknowing that we could put it
together and do it work.
And knowing that we could putit together and do it.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Isn't that something when we have those moments where
you know it's not a plannedthing but we just, you know,
life kind of has an agenda andsays, here you go, you can do
this, and so you step up to thechallenge.
And it's amazing the thingsthat we can actually accomplish
when we rip the bandaid off andgive it a shot.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
That's a fact.
Yeah, I've always felt that Icould do just about anything.
I mean, that was just kind ofhow I was brought up, knowing
that there were no limitations.
If you wanted to do somethingand you wanted it badly enough,
you could somehow make it work.
That's how I got into the signbusiness in the first place,
because that's really a creativebusiness and it's an artistic
(06:23):
business.
But it's a little bit differentfrom freelance artists to be a
freelance artist.
It's hard to explain, but allof a sudden one day you just
realize that hey, this is youand you can do this, and we
never really look back afterthat.
Once you understand that youhave this ability and that you
(06:48):
can go for it, good or bad, andthen you foster that and you get
better at it because you'reworking at it.
It just changed my life and Inever look back after that.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, it's amazing how the resilience factor when
you and, of course, when we'retrying something new like we're
going to fall on our face everyonce in a while and we're going
to make big mistakes but unlesswe actually forge through those
mistakes and I know for surefrom watching you in your sign
shop and from growing up in thatenvironment that I know for
sure that there were lots oftimes that you hit huge
(07:23):
roadblocks and you were like,well, I got to figure out how to
do this, so you would MacGyverit and come up with a new way or
design some other kind ofgadget that would make it easier
, and you just kind of figuredit out along the way.
And that's kind of the fun partabout being a creative person,
because over the years, afteryou do that often enough, you
(07:44):
start to really be able to trustin your ability to figure
things out that's the truth, andbut I was just thinking while
when you were speaking therethat I almost never looked for a
job.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I always felt that I wanted to be self-employed.
And it's a different mindsetaltogether, because when you're
self-employed you see all kindsof opportunities that you don't
look for when you're an employedperson, because then they
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employ you and now you're doingthat specific job, but all of a
sudden the lid comes off and youcan go in any direction that
you want, and it was so.
It was really exciting, andafter that it just felt like I
never worked a day in my lifebeyond that.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I love that so much.
Yeah, and and you know what Ithink 100%.
That's why I am in the positionthat I'm in now, because I know
I was an employee for manyyears.
I had a bunch of different jobs.
I worked in the restaurantindustry, which I was the boss
in that particular, but beforethat I had actually worked as a
server in lots of restaurantsand I just kind of found that
(09:01):
being an employee for mepersonally, I felt like I was
kind of in a box Because, likeyou say, there's only one hat
that you really wear.
And, as a creative, for myselfpersonally, I really thrive when
I'm wearing more than one hat,usually two or three at least,
and that's where I shine rightand I know you're the same way.
(09:22):
That's where I shine right andI know you're the same way, and
I'm sure that a lot of that camefrom me watching you figure
things out and excel at thingsand try new things, which was
awesome.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, and sometimes the things you try don't work.
But as long as you're willingto take a bit of risk and go for
it anyway, it's amazing whatyou can do.
Yeah, if you just put your mindto it, it's amazing.
You surprise yourself and yougo.
I can't believe.
I just did that, you know, andit really stretches our
(09:55):
abilities.
And I think it's too bad whenpeople are afraid to step out on
the edge and live on the edgeor just a little bit outside the
box, because that's reallywhere your best self is.
It's just outside.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Just outside the comfort zone.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Yeah, that's one of the thingsI like to discuss and bring to
light here on Life is Deliciouslike to discuss and bring to
light here on Life is Deliciousbecause you know, if you're not
growing and changing andexpressing yourself in every
single way, you know there'sjust so much more joy that you
(10:35):
can extract from life whenyou're kind of taking some of
those risks.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I think so.
That's how I've basically livedmost of my life after that.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I didn't need any guarantees.
If it looked like it'ssomething that I should be able
to do or that was needed doing,you just jump in with all your
feet and away you go, andsometimes it collapses.
Feet and away you go andsometimes it collapses.
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And if you're not afraid of therisk, it's amazing what you can
accomplish.
We're given these talents.
I I believe that we're bornwith a lot of talents and
abilities that that we aren'teven aware of until we need them
in our life, and as long as wearen't afraid to accept the fact
(11:31):
that we need them and we havethis ability, we can go anyplace
.
We can do anything, and it'sreally just about mindset that's
what it really is is convincingyourself that you can do this.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Well, and I think what's really interesting is
that when you look at it fromand that's why you know you and
I talk about show-throughtalents, because those are the
things that generally comereally easily to you.
And we're taught in societymaybe less today than we were
years and years ago, but we weretaught in a lot of society that
you know you need to struggle.
And so I know for sure I wentthrough phases where I'm like,
well, I can't do that for aliving, like that's just too
(12:17):
easy.
You know, like I shouldprobably be grinding or hustling
or you know, and that's justthe culture that we have been
brought up in.
And so you know now, when youlook at these things that come
naturally to you, like maybeyou're an amazing photographer
and maybe you have an ability tospeak with people that inspires
(12:37):
them, like it doesn't have tobe necessarily painting an art
class, it could be all kinds ofthings and you don't even have
to do it for a living.
Now you certainly can, but Ithink when you're given these
show-through talents, I thinkone of the most important things
you can do to honor yourself isto express them in one way or
another.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I absolutely agree with that, Because just about
everybody has.
Well, maybe everybody is bornwith abilities that they never
knew they had, because, asthey're growing up, first of all
, there's no slot for that.
You know, for your show throughtalent, if you will, and we're
(13:23):
taught to follow the road andnot to deviate because that's
going to shake something up, andso we just sort of move those
talents and abilities that wehave and stick them in the back
burner somewhere.
And I talk to people almostevery day about there's people
(13:48):
that say, well, I did a lot ofartwork before, but I'm just a
poor, starving artist and I saiddon't ever say that to me again
, because there's no such thingas a poor starving anything.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
That's a mindset right there.
Yeah, absolutely.
And a lot of people that havemore than one talent.
They'll say well, I'm not ajewelry maker, I'm an accountant
, but I just make jewelry on theside.
Or I'm a lawyer, but I teachmusic lessons on the side.
You can be both things.
You can be an accountant and ajewelry maker.
(14:27):
You can be a lawyer and a musicteacher.
And if that's something thatlights you up and makes you feel
good, then you shouldabsolutely do that and own it
and speak it out loud and don'tbe afraid to go off the beaten
path, because that's where allthe good stuff is.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
That's exactly right.
It's amazing, once you takethat first step I'm going to say
outside the box, that's used alittle too much sometimes but
once we do that and realize thatit's okay and how it feels, and
allow yourself to accept thattalent that you have and to
(15:08):
nurture it, man, it can changeyour life in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, and they even say that, for people who are
able to express, play whetherit's a creative endeavor like an
art class or learning a newlanguage or taking up a sport
like pickleball or somethinglike that it engages your brain
and your senses in a differentway and actually there's
scientific studies that show itactually helps you to live
(15:34):
longer.
Oh, I didn't know that, butthat sounds like a good idea.
There you go, there you go.
Well, I know that one of thereasons I wanted to talk to you
about this particular topictoday is because I just got to
thinking the other day.
You in your life you were a signpainter and then you were a
window painter and you paintedmurals on various restaurants
(15:57):
and hotels and buildings andeverywhere.
So you had a very diversecareer as an artist.
But then, I know you did a bitof a left turn and I started to
think about it and I think thatreally happened in midlife and
that is when you decided tobecome a caricature artist and I
know I had a little bit ofsomething to do with that.
(16:18):
But maybe tell a little bitabout that story and how you
started leaning into that andthen what the next step was.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I was always fascinated by watching somebody
be a caricature artist, becausethat's different from being a
regular artist.
A caricature artist brings outthe features and exaggerates
them in some ways.
Some people go really overboardwith it, but just even in
(16:49):
subtle ways it's a little bitdifferent kind of likenesses.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Dad, just before you carry on, could you explain just
in a really nuts and bolts kindof?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
way what a caricature is for the listeners, in case
they don't know.
When you look at a person andwe all have features on our
faces, particularly faces, let'stalk about that you recognize a
person by the shape of theirnose or the shape of their eyes,
or if they have a crooked toothor something, and these little
(17:25):
things help you to recognizethat person, that exact person.
And what a caricature artistdoes is they take those little
features.
You learn to see thedifferences and so you learn to
take those features andexaggerate them and make them
(17:47):
front and center so that youinstantly recognize the person.
And it's really quite a lot offun to do it and it's a lot of
fun for the people if it's donein good faith and done properly.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, and if somebody has a bit of a sense of humor,
but most people so, for thelisteners, if you're not 100%
familiar, it's almost like acartoon likeness of the person,
with a little bit of anexaggeration on, maybe, what
their features on their facemight be that make them
recognizable.
And sometimes I know for you itwasn't just the facial features
(18:24):
, but that was a part of it.
And then you took it even astep further and added in
personality stuff.
So yeah, so tell me, you know,let's talk about how you got
into that and like, was it scaryfor you to try something that
was a little bit that far leftof the center for you?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yes, that was scary actually.
But my daughter, marnie, whoyou always knew, I kind of
wanted to do that or thoughtabout it and you were working at
a place in California and yousent me a book on how to draw
caricatures and I looked at itand it was just fascinating and
(19:07):
I think it got me in the rightdirection, to where, all of a
sudden, I'm going to figure thisout and I'm going to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I was working at this really great little
restaurant in Los Angeles calledMimi's Cafe.
It was a French bistro and theyhad a bar that would, you know,
go in the front where withstools, but you know, people
would come in and sit bythemselves and maybe have a bowl
of oatmeal or coffee orbreakfast.
And there was this onegentleman that used to come in
and sit at the very end of thebar and that was my section, so
(19:39):
I can't remember what his namewas, but he would bring in his
sketchbook and he would juststart drawing the staff and he
would draw customers that weresitting next to him and he would
just chat everybody up and hewould have this really cool
interaction with people.
And I just got to really get toknow him and his story and I
thought, holy moly, my dad coulddo that, and I think that's
(20:01):
what inspired me to buy you thatbook.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It certainly got me going in the right direction and
I when I think about gettingstarted in that business so it
was.
That was a little bit scary,because it's one thing to be
able to do that and it's anotherthing to be able to sit out in
public and do it in front of acrowd.
So I wanted to be able tomaster this.
(20:26):
So I actually sat at home, Isat down on the floor and used
my coffee table as a table andin front of my TV, and I would
draw the people on TV, on thecommercials, on shows, and I'd
draw and draw, and draw and draw, because I wanted to learn this
(20:47):
until it was second nature andI could do it pretty well.
And then I had enough courageto.
As a matter of fact, I didn'thave the courage.
My wife says, by the way, Ibooked you in to do caricatures
at the fall fair and I went no,I'm not ready.
(21:10):
Good for her, yes you're ready,so you're booked.
She said who's got to do it?
Well, it was very scary thefirst few times, but it was also
so much fun that I knew that Ihad to do it.
And so that was the beginning.
And then from there it justblossomed and I got phone calls
(21:31):
from people I had to put upbusiness cards.
Tourists would come through,you know, when they're on their
way to Vancouver, they're ontheir way someplace.
They'd grab a business card andI was getting these calls to
come in and it was.
It just blossomed.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I know and I love that mom actually did that,
because she had a way and youhad a little bit of a
perfectionism thing where youwanted everything to be
absolutely perfect before youwould actually start.
So I think that was reallysweet of her to see that you
just needed a little kick in thepants to get going.
So tell me about.
(22:10):
I know when we talked you wouldhave some incredible stories of
the people that you would drawand you know, and then people
would come back year after yearto come to a festival and get
their picture done more thanonce.
So can you remember anyparticular people?
Yeah, tell us a few of thosestories, because they're super
cool.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
First of all, when somebody sat down in front of me
, I would start off by sayingokay, so what do you do when
you're having fun?
What do you like to do whenyou're having fun?
That's I mean mean we're nowdown in the park or we're in a
festival and they're out havingfun, and so this is a good
question to ask.
(22:51):
It also gives you an idea ofwhat the person is all about,
and you now have something torelate to them with.
It gives you all kinds ofanswers.
I I'd say well.
They might say well, I likedoing this, or I like doing that
, or I like you know, orwhatever, Snowboarding or yeah,
yeah, canoeing or whatever.
Then I would incorporate thatand I would draw them on a
(23:15):
snowboard or whatever they weredoing.
And some of the some of thestories were really really quite
funny because they're you know,you'd catch them off guard and
they'd say something.
You'd draw that in the pictureand they went oh no, no, no, I
didn't mean that, of course.
That's exactly what they meantand it was always fun.
(23:35):
What was really interesting isthat I started to have people
come back year after year and insome cases there would be a set
of four or five people thatwere there at the fair and I
(23:55):
didn't think anything of it.
But they showed up again nextyear and so I said, oh, you guys
are back.
So I'm doing their pictureagain and again and again and
year after year, and it was justinteresting to see how things
changed in their life.
And a couple of them had saidto me it's amazing, you know,
(24:18):
you're getting better and youknow.
And I said, really good and itwas well, I had a lot of people
saved the caricatures from yearto year and it was just really
too, because you get to know thepeople and that was the most
fun I ever did just trying tomake money, I suppose.
(24:39):
But I didn't do it.
You don't do stuff like thatfor the money, you do it for the
relationship with the people.
I drew caricatures of peoplethat didn't even speak a lick of
English and so I mean, that'sjust an experience right there.
Then another time there was afellow and a nice looking lady
(25:01):
were walking by and they stoppedand looked at my booth and so
they nodded and came in and Ididn't realize till after the
fellow sat down and we'retalking about things.
I didn't realize he was totallyblind, and as soon as I
realized that I said well, hehad said you do a nice job.
(25:22):
Now I said how are you going toknow?
You'll never know whether it'sgood or not.
He said I'll know, don't youworry, I'll know.
It was just that kind ofrelationship with the people and
it's well.
First of all, he was a goodsport, and I know that he's a
good sport, or he wouldn't havesat down and interacted with me
(25:47):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I think most people that sign up for a caricature
have to, you know, have a bit ofa sense of humor, because
that's the whole point is,you're trying to capture that
moment when they're there, andit's a bit playful for sure.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
There was all types of individuals and all kinds of
people.
It was just the most fun I everhad all my life.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Wow, that's cool.
Is there any particular otherperson besides that guy that
really sticks out in your mind?
That was super fun Because Iknow there was a few stories you
told me.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Well, yeah, there were some.
There was a couple one timecame by and they were kind of
giddy.
They were a young, a youngcouple, I'd say, mid-20s, you
know, and so I said what do youlike to do when you're having
(26:41):
fun?
She says I like boating.
And then you know, she looksover at him and he snickers.
And then he said I really likeboating.
And then, you know, she looksover at him and he snickers.
And then he said I really likeboating.
And so I'm trying to figure outwhat's going on here.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
You're reading between the lines.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I'm reading between the lines and I drew them on a
boat with a blanket over them,so I kept it in good taste, of
course.
Anyway, did you kept it?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
in good taste Of course, anyway.
Did you nail it?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, and they just went bananas.
When they saw that they wentbecause they didn't think that I
was getting it right.
And next year they came bywho's rolling a baby carriage?
I said I knew it.
I knew it, I knew it.
You guys have been doing someextra bo, said I knew it, I knew
it, I knew it.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You guys have been doing some extra boating.
I see.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
But that kind of thing is just a paraplegic or
quadriplegic.
And she was.
I said so what do you do whenyou're having fun?
(27:56):
She said that's my opening line.
And her mom said they took herup mountain climbing, or I said
in her wheelchair.
And she said yep, they pushedher up the hill and you know,
and she just had a fabulous time.
So I drew her in thiswheelchair with jetpack coming
(28:18):
off the back and it was just so.
When I finished she looked atit and went yeah, that's the
thing, and it just.
You know you make their daydoing that and it's so neat.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, that's so great .
Well, I'm so glad that youended up doing that and getting
to express yourself in that way,and I know we've been talking
about you possibly doing somemore of that right now and
picking that back up for you.
We've just recently moved mydad and my mom into an assisted
living for the listeners thatdon't know, and it's a beautiful
(28:52):
spot and it's such a lovelyplace for them to be and
unfortunately, my mom passed inJanuary, so now my dad's there.
He's got some great friends andeverybody really appreciates it
, so it would be really fun tosee you picking that back up.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Well, I'm working on some ideas and it's going to be
fun.
I'm here for the rest of mylife, so I'm going to make it
worthwhile.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I love that.
So, Dad, what kind of advicewould you give someone who's
maybe at a crossroads in theirlife and they're maybe in the
middle section of their life andneeding just a little bit of a
push to express themselves or tostep just a little bit of a
push to express themselves or tostep into a bigger version of
themselves?
Do you have any advice for that?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Well, I do know that because I've been talking to
some folks in here.
You know that there's a lot ofthere really is truly a lot of
people that have artisticability and some of them have a
(29:56):
little more artistic abilitythan others, but they still love
to express it and but they'realways afraid that they can't
spend too much time doing itbecause they have to make a
living or whatever it is.
You know, now in this placethey're not trying to make a
(30:19):
living so much anymore, but whenyou talk about what they did
for a living and so on, you knoweverybody wants to have a job
because you need a paycheck andso on.
You know everybody wants tohave a job because you need a
paycheck.
But if you can just get pastthat mindset to the place where
(30:44):
you can take the time to dosomething that you really
absolutely love and start toimplement that into your life,
and once you make a little bitof income from that, it changes
your life completely.
It really does you realize that, hey, I have this ability and I
(31:04):
didn't even know it.
And as soon as they let go ofthe needing to do something that
keeps them in the box and theyget beyond that, all of a sudden
, the lid comes right off andyour life changes almost
immediately.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, dad, and I have followedDr Wayne Dyer for most of our
life, and one of the phrasesthat he has in one of his books
is don't die with your music inyou.
And that certainly isn't meantto be a morbid reality.
What that's meant to be is aninspiration, because whatever
your music is, like you say, youcould have a story to tell.
(31:47):
You could have you might justbe great with children.
Maybe you are able tocommunicate with people and help
them to just listen.
You know, there's all kinds ofdifferent gifts and all kinds of
different music for us all toexpress, and I think, if we can
allow ourselves the opportunityto step into our creativity and
(32:10):
our joy on a daily basis, thateverything just gets so much
better.
Don't you agree, dad?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I absolutely agree with that.
And even if you have a regularcommitment like a job for, and
once you do that, it will changeyour life.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah, I agree, I remember I think it was Steven
Spielberg, I can't remember, butI remember it was a big
screenwriter like that whowanted to create movies, and I
think he had to get up at fouro'clock every morning and write
for three hours before he wentto his day job.
But he committed to doing thatso that he could have the life
that he dreamed about having.
So I think there's always a wayto sneak it in, whether you get
(32:59):
up an hour earlier or you carveit into your weekend.
There's always a space forsomething that brings you joy
and lights you up from theinside out.
Dad, I have absolutely enjoyedchatting with you today, and you
know what it's so special to beable to spend Father's Day here
with you and have a chat aboutthis stuff.
We're going to do a lot more ofthis.
I hope so.
(33:20):
Yeah, keep an eye out for someother episodes of Life is
Delicious, the Coffee withBurton edition, and we've got
all kinds of really great thingsto talk about, so we'll be
bringing you more of that verysoon.
All right, dad, you have agreat rest of the day and I will
talk to you soon, love you lots.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Love you too, sweetheart.
Thank you, you, you.
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