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September 20, 2025 27 mins

In Part Two of this Life Matters conversation, Toni Clarke continues her interview with Renee Eames and Mary Crosby—The Lenz Sisters. They share the deeper meaning of the bluebird, the mission of Bluebird Refuge, and their book 9 Days of Refuge, written to encourage women in difficult seasons. You’ll also hear how tea, community, and generosity are fueling their vision for the future—and how you can be part of it.

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