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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to Made in Walker, a podcast that connects
you to the people, the storiesand the ideas shaping our
community, from local innovatorsto everyday changemakers.
We're diving deep into whatmakes Walker a great place to
live, work and grow.
Here's your host, nicoleDiDonato.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Thank you for joining us for the Made in Walker
podcast.
Progress is moving along forthe new Walker Library and, just
in time for March's readingmonth, I'm joined by City of
Walker Mayor Gary Carey Jr, ourresident bookworm.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Well, I think I've been called worse today already.
Thank you, that's good, thankyou.
So the Walker Library where dowe stand right now with the new
building?
So outside looks really roughright now.
There's a lot of sitepreparation being done and
really in the earthwork that'sbeing done and getting prep work
done for the building the newbuilding to go in, and then the
connection to the existingbuilding, the current building
(01:01):
you'll notice that there's fourwalls in the steel structure of
the roof and that's it and thatwas the design.
We want to repurpose thatbuilding.
The bones of it are in greatshape, but we knew we needed to
make more efficient space insidethere and it's a very practical
building still.
So we're just basically that'sgoing to be redesigned and then
the new building out in frontconnection between the two.
(01:22):
We're probably going to be inthe stage for a little while
here.
So it's going to look a littlerough, especially as the snow
starts to melt.
But once we start to makeprogress out there and you see
beams going in the ground andthe foundation going in, we'll
know at that point we're movingalong pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, and you are someone who visits the library
fairly frequently, so not havingit directly next to City Hall
or so, but how did you getinvolved with?
March is Reading Month.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Well, a couple of things.
One it comes with the mayor'srole a little bit.
There's that professionalobligation and you know, a shout
out.
I think back to my first yearin office.
Our police department officerHarkma was a great, just a great
collaborator with and hey, I'mgoing over to these schools this
day.
He gave me a heads up that Icould make sure I'd get on the
schedule and join him, and thenit's morphed into where the
(02:10):
demand for all of us is so greatfrom the schools that we all
have our time scheduled.
And so I got involved from thatfrom a professional aspect, and
then I looked too from apersonal aspect, as it wasn't
around when I was going throughgrade school.
From a personal aspect, as itwasn't around when I was going
through grade school, but when Ilook at my kids going through
grade school it was becoming amore prominent feature then and
(02:31):
they would encourage parents andgrandparents and celebrities
and community supporters to beable to come at that point.
So it's kind of thatprofessional and personal
relationship that we get to do.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, and what specifically are going to be
your goals for this March'sreading month?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Probably the single biggest thing is promoting
community engagement and youknow from that is we're going to
leverage this month.
We'll talk a little bit about,I believe, some of the social
media posts that we're going todo in promoting the campaign.
And then I think secondly isbuild on the you know, good
habits that people already have,maybe with the reading and
reading to their kids, and then,if they don't have those in
(03:08):
place, maybe we're going to beable to get people some starts
and new habits from there indoing so.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
And we have some exciting activities, too, that
you have planned coming up.
Any idea of what those arelooking like as well?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah.
So what we're going to do iswe're going to have a theme this
month and it's going to behashtag read and lead with the
mayor.
We're going to have a themethis month and it's going to be
hashtag read and lead with themayor.
We're going to do it throughthe social media encouragement
and throughout the month ofMarch.
I have already a jam schedulefor the month of March.
I will always make room forother schools that reach out and
just it's one of the greatprivileges of being able to hold
(03:39):
this role in serving the cityand our community.
So I'm really excited aboutthat piece of it.
But this hashtag Read and Leadwith the Mayor is really helping
again promote that.
This is not March is a bit of anevent, but we want this to
become a process that'sthroughout year round and
excited to go to some of theschools with our again our
public safety personnel, ourpolice and fire teams and get to
(04:02):
do this with them.
I'm excited about that piece ofit and what this is going to
look like through the month andmaybe that social media, that
community support.
I haven't seen anything donelike this in West Michigan.
So we're always in Walker.
We're always trying to do somenew things like podcasts and be
at that forefront of things.
So we're going to give this atry and see how this goes, and
we'll see what next year bringsthen.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And the one thing I've noticed when talking about
reading or bringing up March asreading month, is you really
light up when that happens.
This is something that's prettypersonal for you.
It has a backstory to it aswell.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Sure, and I think one of the things and I'm very
public about this I struggledaround the 30-grade level with
reading and was coming upthrough a public school system
in West Michigan at that pointin time and had really hit some
challenges there with mydevelopmental progress.
And I had a great speechtherapist teacher who was
handling that time a guy namedJack Tabor and who has since
(04:56):
passed away was great.
He actually got me started oncomic books and came from a
family that my mom and dad readvoraciously and we always had
books laying around and I alwayssaw them reading.
So I had great role models inthat perspective but just didn't
want to do it in school and Iwas just one of those kids at
the time and what's kind of neatwas I got started with comic
books and those comic booksprogressed into the classics and
(05:19):
comic books and I rememberreading Treasure Island, I think
was the first one that I canremember and those just grew for
that love of reading then andto this day we're just
continuing to do it.
But I realized too we ascommunity servants, community
leaders, we fill a rolesometimes where families get
really busy and the parents aremaybe working.
You know one or two jobs tomake ends meet and just
(05:44):
schedules are what they are andthey don't always get the time
to be able to read to the kids.
But I just I think we help fillsome of those gaps and show the
kids it's, it's, it's.
This is a really good thing todo.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, I know you enjoy that so much and from the
previous years of doing March'sReading Month are any certain
points or success stories reallykind of stick out.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I think one of the things that sticks out is the
the leading by example piecewith the kids is they get to see
us doing it.
I talk about the books that Iread and the types of books and
I said, when I need to kind oftake a break, my vacation from
things, they get to be fictionbooks, when they are nonfiction
I'm reading for how to be abetter leader, those types of
books like that and really focuson making myself better but
(06:27):
also give myself a little bit ofa break.
And I think that's good for thekids particularly to see that
they can read these books andthey kind of escape into the
books and the stories behindthem and the things that pique
their interest.
And just I think that's one ofthose things.
You'd be in those.
You're in those classrooms withthe kids and sometimes in the
library and you see, I mean youhave their captive attention and
I can't think of anything elsereally in life for children of
(06:51):
those grade school ages.
You have their attention.
And they're focused on you andthey're making sure that they're
catching everything that you'rereading there.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, you compete with a lot there, but you have
some interesting books that youlike to share.
What are those types of booksthat you usually read towards
these classes?
Interesting books that you liketo share.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
What are those types of books that you usually read
towards these classes?
Really a myriad of topics.
My go-tos are I love Pete theCat books.
Those are just great becausethey've got some rhymes in them,
great art and graphics on thosethey can't make enough of those
to get, but that's always ago-to one.
Love the Berenstain Bears books.
Sometimes those are a littlebit more challenging in a
classroom setting.
They're great from a lessonsperspective.
(07:30):
I know we grew up, my wife andI, reading to our kids and those
never get old.
And then really I think whenthe March's Reading Month
started I believe it was like1994, and they picked March
because it was Dr Seuss'sbirthday month.
If I remember how the storygoes, you can't go wrong with Dr
(07:51):
Seuss.
So some of the old classics inthere and stuff and I swear we
have 40, 50 of them I don't knowhow many there are in our house
that you can always dig intothose and those you can't go
wrong there?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Absolutely so.
You've got the Dr Seuss, you'vegot the kids' books and such.
What are the ones that havereally inspired you to be a
leader?
Is there any one that kind ofsticks out?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Oh, wow, I do like the stories with the imagination
and seeing the kids escape abit.
And I think Pete the Cat's donea lot around food items and
things and Pete's is always oneof the favorite books that you
read with the kids and you canjust see the kids escape into
the world.
So I thinking that they're notpaying attention to you, they're
(08:32):
paying attention to the storyis really a neat thing and
that's part of that wholepurpose of reading, of being
able to become really engagedwith that book and the story
there.
So that's, I think, with thekids.
For professional side of things, two of my favorite books are
both Simon Sinek books StartWith why.
(08:52):
Anybody that's around meprofessionally personally knows
that that is a that, why, howand what.
The Mayor's Youth Academy hearsit you know, every month in
their meeting in the Next GenAcademy for the Adults.
They're going to start hearingit here in the coming months
that there's this theme.
So it's a great book.
Just you know how to presentbetter, but really how to become
stronger critical thinkers.
(09:13):
And then Cynic also has asecond book, Leaders Eat Last,
and I think from as a mayor of acity, that is, it's one of
those things that I take a bitof pride in.
When we have our communityevents, our employee events, I'm
usually the last one, try to bethe last one that goes up and
gets to eat, because you've gotto make sure everybody else eats
first, and really that's whatleaders, that's that moral
responsibility they have.
(09:33):
So I think there's two reallygood foundational aspects with
both of those books.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Well, as you were talking about all this, maybe
some people in the communitywant to know how they can
actually get involved with thisRead and Lead with the mayor.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
So we're going to do the throughout the month.
We'll do hashtag, lead and Readwith the mayor.
So we're going to encouragepeople just to do as they're
doing it in their familysettings, social settings.
What have you I'm going to dothis month?
For the month of March, dosomething.
On Saturday mornings We'll do alittle Facebook live action.
You know, I kind of miss one ofthe things, one of the very,
(10:05):
very few things I missed aboutthe pandemic, other than getting
to spend more time with familyat that juncture.
But the thing with the pandemicpiece is going to be, you know,
that big takeaway there wasbeing able to we read every day,
because it started in March of2020.
And those kids are at home orin the classrooms.
Even at that point theycouldn't have guests come in.
(10:25):
So every morning, read books.
Somewhere between 6 and 7.30 inthe morning did the Facebook
Live and that was out there forthe kids to be able to watch
wherever they were at at thatpoint.
So we're going to go back tothat, do it Saturday morning
here for this month and justagain help promote.
Maybe if I can catch thembefore they get the cartoons on
TV great, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, we can look for some more information on our
social media pages website aswell.
You also have a social mediapage for the mayor.
Absolutely, and what?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
we'll do this month, too, is we'll do that hashtag.
This will all be out there onthe Facebook and the other
social media platforms.
But what we'll do, probably atthe end of the month, is we're
going to find the best postthroughout the month, maybe most
creative.
We'll apply some type of logicto it and we'll have a couple of
gift cards, one for Sobe Meatsand the other Double Dip Depot.
It's going to open soon.
(11:10):
I know it seems hard becausewe're at the end of winter right
now.
It's right around the corner.
So we'll do some things to helpand send people to be a part of
this engagement in thecommunity.
But I just I'll reallyencourage the parents.
This is a time to really showthe kids, hey, this is a
lifelong learning journey thatwe're on, and just because you
get to be at a certain agedoesn't mean that you stop doing
(11:30):
that Right, right, yeah, andyour story is very inspiring.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Just knowing how it started out for you and I can
attest to that I see you withbooks all the time.
We're turning it to the library, so that is all about it with
you.
But again, that hashtag is readand lead with the mayor and
that's where you can kind ofyour pictures, if you're sharing
those pictures have that postand that hashtag.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I encourage everybody to do that.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, very exciting, Mayor Carey.
We're excited to see thathappen.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Great, thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And thank you so much for tuning in to this Maiden
Walker podcast.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
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Maiden Walker podcast.
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Please drop us an email atpodcast at walkercity.
Made in Walker is the officialpodcast of the city of Walker,
Michigan.
You can find Made in Walkerwherever you get your podcasts.
Welcome to Made in Walker, a podcast that connects
you to the people, the storiesand the ideas shaping our
community, from local innovatorsto everyday changemakers.
We're diving deep into whatmakes Walker a great place to
live, work and grow.
Here's your host, nicoleDiDonato.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Thank you for joining us for the Made in Walker
podcast.
Progress is moving along forthe new Walker Library and, just
in time for March's readingmonth, I'm joined by City of
Walker Mayor Gary Carey Jr, ourresident bookworm.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Well, I think I've been called worse today already.
Thank you, that's good, thankyou.
So the Walker Library where dowe stand right now with the new
building?
So outside looks really roughright now.
There's a lot of sitepreparation being done and
really in the earthwork that'sbeing done and getting prep work
done for the building the newbuilding to go in, and then the
connection to the existingbuilding, the current building
(01:01):
you'll notice that there's fourwalls in the steel structure of
the roof and that's it and thatwas the design.
We want to repurpose thatbuilding.
The bones of it are in greatshape, but we knew we needed to
make more efficient space insidethere and it's a very practical
building still.
So we're just basically that'sgoing to be redesigned and then
the new building out in frontconnection between the two.
(01:22):
We're probably going to be inthe stage for a little while
here.
So it's going to look a littlerough, especially as the snow
starts to melt.
But once we start to makeprogress out there and you see
beams going in the ground andthe foundation going in, we'll
know at that point we're movingalong pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, and you are someone who visits the library
fairly frequently, so not havingit directly next to City Hall
or so, but how did you getinvolved with?
March is Reading Month.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Well, a couple of things.
One it comes with the mayor'srole a little bit.
There's that professionalobligation and you know, a shout
out.
I think back to my first yearin office.
Our police department officerHarkma was a great, just a great
collaborator with and hey, I'mgoing over to these schools this
day.
He gave me a heads up that Icould make sure I'd get on the
schedule and join him, and thenit's morphed into where the
(02:10):
demand for all of us is so greatfrom the schools that we all
have our time scheduled.
And so I got involved from thatfrom a professional aspect, and
then I looked too from apersonal aspect, as it wasn't
around when I was going throughgrade school.
From a personal aspect, as itwasn't around when I was going
through grade school, but when Ilook at my kids going through
grade school it was becoming amore prominent feature then and
(02:31):
they would encourage parents andgrandparents and celebrities
and community supporters to beable to come at that point.
So it's kind of thatprofessional and personal
relationship that we get to do.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, and what specifically are going to be
your goals for this March'sreading month?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Probably the single biggest thing is promoting
community engagement and youknow from that is we're going to
leverage this month.
We'll talk a little bit about,I believe, some of the social
media posts that we're going todo in promoting the campaign.
And then I think secondly isbuild on the you know, good
habits that people already have,maybe with the reading and
reading to their kids, and then,if they don't have those in
(03:08):
place, maybe we're going to beable to get people some starts
and new habits from there indoing so.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
And we have some exciting activities, too, that
you have planned coming up.
Any idea of what those arelooking like as well?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah.
So what we're going to do iswe're going to have a theme this
month and it's going to behashtag read and lead with the
mayor.
We're going to have a themethis month and it's going to be
hashtag read and lead with themayor.
We're going to do it throughthe social media encouragement
and throughout the month ofMarch.
I have already a jam schedulefor the month of March.
I will always make room forother schools that reach out and
just it's one of the greatprivileges of being able to hold
(03:39):
this role in serving the cityand our community.
So I'm really excited aboutthat piece of it.
But this hashtag Read and Leadwith the Mayor is really helping
again promote that.
This is not March is a bit of anevent, but we want this to
become a process that'sthroughout year round and
excited to go to some of theschools with our again our
public safety personnel, ourpolice and fire teams and get to
(04:02):
do this with them.
I'm excited about that piece ofit and what this is going to
look like through the month andmaybe that social media, that
community support.
I haven't seen anything donelike this in West Michigan.
So we're always in Walker.
We're always trying to do somenew things like podcasts and be
at that forefront of things.
So we're going to give this atry and see how this goes, and
we'll see what next year bringsthen.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And the one thing I've noticed when talking about
reading or bringing up March asreading month, is you really
light up when that happens.
This is something that's prettypersonal for you.
It has a backstory to it aswell.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Sure, and I think one of the things and I'm very
public about this I struggledaround the 30-grade level with
reading and was coming upthrough a public school system
in West Michigan at that pointin time and had really hit some
challenges there with mydevelopmental progress.
And I had a great speechtherapist teacher who was
handling that time a guy namedJack Tabor and who has since
(04:56):
passed away was great.
He actually got me started oncomic books and came from a
family that my mom and dad readvoraciously and we always had
books laying around and I alwayssaw them reading.
So I had great role models inthat perspective but just didn't
want to do it in school and Iwas just one of those kids at
the time and what's kind of neatwas I got started with comic
books and those comic booksprogressed into the classics and
(05:19):
comic books and I rememberreading Treasure Island, I think
was the first one that I canremember and those just grew for
that love of reading then andto this day we're just
continuing to do it.
But I realized too we ascommunity servants, community
leaders, we fill a rolesometimes where families get
really busy and the parents aremaybe working.
You know one or two jobs tomake ends meet and just
(05:44):
schedules are what they are andthey don't always get the time
to be able to read to the kids.
But I just I think we help fillsome of those gaps and show the
kids it's, it's, it's.
This is a really good thing todo.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, I know you enjoy that so much and from the
previous years of doing March'sReading Month are any certain
points or success stories reallykind of stick out.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I think one of the things that sticks out is the
the leading by example piecewith the kids is they get to see
us doing it.
I talk about the books that Iread and the types of books and
I said, when I need to kind oftake a break, my vacation from
things, they get to be fictionbooks, when they are nonfiction
I'm reading for how to be abetter leader, those types of
books like that and really focuson making myself better but
(06:27):
also give myself a little bit ofa break.
And I think that's good for thekids particularly to see that
they can read these books andthey kind of escape into the
books and the stories behindthem and the things that pique
their interest.
And just I think that's one ofthose things.
You'd be in those.
You're in those classrooms withthe kids and sometimes in the
library and you see, I mean youhave their captive attention and
I can't think of anything elsereally in life for children of
(06:51):
those grade school ages.
You have their attention.
And they're focused on you andthey're making sure that they're
catching everything that you'rereading there.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, you compete with a lot there, but you have
some interesting books that youlike to share.
What are those types of booksthat you usually read towards
these classes?
Interesting books that you liketo share.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
What are those types of books that you usually read
towards these classes?
Really a myriad of topics.
My go-tos are I love Pete theCat books.
Those are just great becausethey've got some rhymes in them,
great art and graphics on thosethey can't make enough of those
to get, but that's always ago-to one.
Love the Berenstain Bears books.
Sometimes those are a littlebit more challenging in a
classroom setting.
They're great from a lessonsperspective.
(07:30):
I know we grew up, my wife andI, reading to our kids and those
never get old.
And then really I think whenthe March's Reading Month
started I believe it was like1994, and they picked March
because it was Dr Seuss'sbirthday month.
If I remember how the storygoes, you can't go wrong with Dr
(07:51):
Seuss.
So some of the old classics inthere and stuff and I swear we
have 40, 50 of them I don't knowhow many there are in our house
that you can always dig intothose and those you can't go
wrong there?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Absolutely so.
You've got the Dr Seuss, you'vegot the kids' books and such.
What are the ones that havereally inspired you to be a
leader?
Is there any one that kind ofsticks out?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Oh, wow, I do like the stories with the imagination
and seeing the kids escape abit.
And I think Pete the Cat's donea lot around food items and
things and Pete's is always oneof the favorite books that you
read with the kids and you canjust see the kids escape into
the world.
So I thinking that they're notpaying attention to you, they're
(08:32):
paying attention to the storyis really a neat thing and
that's part of that wholepurpose of reading, of being
able to become really engagedwith that book and the story
there.
So that's, I think, with thekids.
For professional side of things, two of my favorite books are
both Simon Sinek books StartWith why.
(08:52):
Anybody that's around meprofessionally personally knows
that that is a that, why, howand what.
The Mayor's Youth Academy hearsit you know, every month in
their meeting in the Next GenAcademy for the Adults.
They're going to start hearingit here in the coming months
that there's this theme.
So it's a great book.
Just you know how to presentbetter, but really how to become
stronger critical thinkers.
(09:13):
And then Cynic also has asecond book, Leaders Eat Last,
and I think from as a mayor of acity, that is, it's one of
those things that I take a bitof pride in.
When we have our communityevents, our employee events, I'm
usually the last one, try to bethe last one that goes up and
gets to eat, because you've gotto make sure everybody else eats
first, and really that's whatleaders, that's that moral
responsibility they have.
(09:33):
So I think there's two reallygood foundational aspects with
both of those books.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Well, as you were talking about all this, maybe
some people in the communitywant to know how they can
actually get involved with thisRead and Lead with the mayor.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
So we're going to do the throughout the month.
We'll do hashtag, lead and Readwith the mayor.
So we're going to encouragepeople just to do as they're
doing it in their familysettings, social settings.
What have you I'm going to dothis month?
For the month of March, dosomething.
On Saturday mornings We'll do alittle Facebook live action.
You know, I kind of miss one ofthe things, one of the very,
(10:05):
very few things I missed aboutthe pandemic, other than getting
to spend more time with familyat that juncture.
But the thing with the pandemicpiece is going to be, you know,
that big takeaway there wasbeing able to we read every day,
because it started in March of2020.
And those kids are at home orin the classrooms.
Even at that point theycouldn't have guests come in.
(10:25):
So every morning, read books.
Somewhere between 6 and 7.30 inthe morning did the Facebook
Live and that was out there forthe kids to be able to watch
wherever they were at at thatpoint.
So we're going to go back tothat, do it Saturday morning
here for this month and justagain help promote.
Maybe if I can catch thembefore they get the cartoons on
TV great, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, we can look for some more information on our
social media pages website aswell.
You also have a social mediapage for the mayor.
Absolutely, and what?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
we'll do this month, too, is we'll do that hashtag.
This will all be out there onthe Facebook and the other
social media platforms.
But what we'll do, probably atthe end of the month, is we're
going to find the best postthroughout the month, maybe most
creative.
We'll apply some type of logicto it and we'll have a couple of
gift cards, one for Sobe Meatsand the other Double Dip Depot.
It's going to open soon.
(11:10):
I know it seems hard becausewe're at the end of winter right
now.
It's right around the corner.
So we'll do some things to helpand send people to be a part of
this engagement in thecommunity.
But I just I'll reallyencourage the parents.
This is a time to really showthe kids, hey, this is a
lifelong learning journey thatwe're on, and just because you
get to be at a certain agedoesn't mean that you stop doing
(11:30):
that Right, right, yeah, andyour story is very inspiring.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Just knowing how it started out for you and I can
attest to that I see you withbooks all the time.
We're turning it to the library, so that is all about it with
you.
But again, that hashtag is readand lead with the mayor and
that's where you can kind ofyour pictures, if you're sharing
those pictures have that postand that hashtag.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I encourage everybody to do that.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, very exciting, Mayor Carey.
We're excited to see thathappen.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Great, thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And thank you so much for tuning in to this Maiden
Walker podcast.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of the
Maiden Walker podcast.
If you have comments orquestions about this podcast, or
if you have suggestions forfuture episodes, we'd love to
hear from you.
Please drop us an email atpodcast at walkercity.
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Michigan.
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