July 9, 2025 • 52 mins
What does a wife sacrifice when her husband succeeds? That question propelled Jade Lomax's social media post to viral status, resonating with millions of women worldwide while simultaneously triggering fierce backlash from men who misunderstood her message.
In this deeply personal conversation, Jade shares her transformation from a world-traveling accountant to a mother of three boys in Australia. Her birth stories form a powerful triptych of maternal experience – from a natural Christmas Day delivery that defied medical expectations, to a rushed, intervention-heavy second birth that left her feeling robbed of her birth experience, to a peaceful home birth during COVID lockdowns that finally gave her complete ownership of her birthing journey.
Beyond the birthing room, Jade candidly discusses the identity transformation motherhood demands. The mundane challenges of hanging laundry while attending to a newborn's needs. The frustration of watching her husband leave for work without constantly calculating feeding schedules or childcare arrangements. The painful realization that society celebrates men's accomplishments while rendering invisible the women who make those achievements possible.
What makes Jade's story particularly compelling is her nuanced approach to marriage and family dynamics. Rather than advocating separation, she emphasizes communication and growth. After her husband purchased a car without consulting her, following generational patterns in which men made all major decisions, they worked to build a partnership where both voices mattered equally.
Today, Jade advocates for families to prioritize togetherness now rather than postponing joy until retirement. Having lost a close friend who left behind young children, she understands the precious uncertainty of time. Her message transcends cultural boundaries, reminding us that maternal experiences connect women globally despite our differences.
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Stephanie Theriault (00:13):
Welcome to the Maternal Wealth Podcast, a
space for all things related tomaternal health, pregnancy and
beyond.
I'm your host, Stephanie Terrio.
I'm a labor and delivery nurseand a mother to three beautiful
boys.
Each week, week, we dive intoinspiring stories and expert
insights to remind us of thepower that you hold in
childbirth and motherhood.
We're here to explore the joys,the challenges and the
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complexities of maternal health.
Every mother's journey isunique and every story deserves
to be told.
Please note that this podcastis for entertainment purposes
only.
It is not intended to replaceprofessional medical advice,
diagnosis or treatment.
Always consult with yourhealthcare provider for medical
guidance that is tailored toyour specific needs.
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In this week's episode, I have awonderful conversation with
Jade Lomax, a proud mother ofthree boys living in Australia.
We first connected when sheshared a heartfelt post
highlighting the disparities andhow a wife's effort behind her
husband's business and financialsuccesses are often overlooked.
It was a meaningful discussionthat I think you will find
inspiring.
Our conversation highlights theessential efforts women and
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mothers put in daily to keep ahousehold running smoothly.
Jade shares with us her uniquebirth stories for each of her
sons, giving us a glimpse intoher experience the bond we
mothers share with our childrenis truly special and constantly
evolving as they grow.
It's a reminder of the love andthe dedication that shape our
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journey as mothers.
Without further ado, let's getinto it.
Hi, Jade, Welcome to theMaternal Wealth Podcast.
I'm so glad that you're here.
Jade Lomax (02:02):
Hi, stephanie, thanks so much for having me.
I would love for you to start bysharing with us a little bit
about yourself before you becamea mom.
Sure, so before I became a mom,I was overseas traveling.
I went to university to becomean accountant and I did my
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graduate year as an accountantand I hated it and I just wanted
to travel.
And I probably wanted to travelcoming out of high school
actually, and never did becauseI just thought I should go to
university and I should get mydegree first and all of the
things.
So anyway, once I graduated anddidn't enjoy accounting, I
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decided to go overseas.
So I moved to London and Istayed there for four years and
traveled and then I basicallycame home because I didn't have
a visa anymore and I couldn'tkeep staying there, and so I
came home and then I just stayedhome with my family over the
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summer.
I just wanted to have thesummer off because I'd been away
for four years and I wanted tocatch up with everyone.
And my husband I actually wentto school with.
I grew up with him, so Ialready knew him, and when I got
back from overseas wereconnected and then started
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seeing him, got back intoaccountancy actually to earn
some money and then, after abouttwo years of dating my husband.
Then we fell pregnant with ourfirst.
So yes, before I had kids, Iwas basically just traveling.
Stephanie Theriault (03:52):
I'm curious when you were in London, were
you working as an accountant orwere you trying something new?
Jade Lomax (03:58):
Yeah, I did to begin with.
For the two years that I had myvisa I worked office jobs and
then I ended up in a job that Iwas recruiting pilots for
airlines, which I actually lovedat that job, and I moved to
Dublin to Ireland for 12 monthsbecause I could get a 12-month
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visa in Ireland for work.
So I did that and, yeah, Ireally loved that job actually
because I've always loved traveland I wanted to be an air
hostess when I left school but Iwas too tall I'm six foot tall
and that was too tall.
Actually, apparently it stillis, they still have that rule so
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I couldn't become an airhostess.
So, yeah, I really love thatjob.
But then my visa ran out forboth countries so I ended up
working for elderly people, justlooking after them, getting
paid cash Through some friends.
I had a lot of girlfriends whowere nurses from Australia who
were living in London at thetime and that was the kind of
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work they did, because it paidreally well and you got paid
cash and it was flexible.
You could still do lots oftravel.
So I ended up kind of goinginto that for a bit at the end,
just to be able to stay inLondon actually.
Stephanie Theriault (05:13):
So then, when you got back to Australia
and you rekindled yourrelationship with your husband,
you fell pregnant with youroldest.
Tell us about your decision,whether you decided to have an
OBGYN or a midwife.
Did you have a home birth?
Were you in the hospital?
Share with us a little bitabout your birth story with your
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oldest.
Jade Lomax (05:36):
Yeah, so in Australia you have to have
private health insurance for 12months before you can have a
private obstetrician.
You can actually pay for it,but it's really expensive.
So having a privateobstetrician wasn't something
that we were in the position todo at that time.
So we were planning to have himat the local public hospital.
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And, yeah, it's actuallyinteresting because it wasn't
until I fell pregnant that thenI just had this strong intuition
that I could just trust my bodythe whole time that I didn
would all pan out.
So we just he was actually dueon the 19th of December and at
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about 20 weeks they said do youwant to book in for a cesarean?
And I said, no, why would I dothat?
And they said, well, it's veryclose to Christmas, so why don't
you just book in so that youdon't have a Christmas baby?
And I was mortified.
I was like, no, I would never.
I would never do that.
I trust my body and my baby andwhen he is here due to arrive,
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he'll arrive.
And so we didn't book in for acesarean.
Yeah, so just went through thepublic system in Australia,
which is pretty just kind ofbasic.
I guess you see a differentmidwife every time you go to the
hospital and you don't know whoyou'll have on the day.
It's just sort of whateverobstetrician is sort of rostered
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on that day.
But that kind of didn't worryme at the time because I just
trusted myself more than someoneexternal, which I found
interesting, being my first baby.
But I was just fully trustingin the process, I think.
And then, of course, christmasEve I got into bed and I was
thinking, yeah, I'm feeling good, I'm pretty sure I'm going to
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make it to at least Boxing Day,got into bed, woke up at about
2.30 Christmas morning with somepains in my stomach and I
thought, oh, I'm not feelingvery well and was just laying in
bed.
And then after a while Ithought, oh no, these pains are
coming in waves, they'reactually contractions.
So I started timingcontractions.
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I stayed at home until about7.30 am and my contractions by
that time were four minutesapart and my husband was
stressing because we'd been toldbut if you're four minutes
apart, you should be in hospitalby now.
And blah, blah, blah.
So he got me in the car to getto hospital and then it was
quite quick from when we got tohospital.
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I guess my waters broke ataround 9am and then he was born
about 20 past nine on Christmasday.
So yes, I did end up with aChristmas baby.
Stephanie Theriault (08:32):
Whoever was the woman who was trying to
schedule you for the C-sectionthe elective C-section she
jinxed it for you.
Jade Lomax (08:40):
Yeah, because I was thinking that would never happen
to me, I would never have aChristmas baby.
And then here he came.
So yes, but I actually I lovedhis birth and I didn't have any
interventions Actually, no, heended up in the last few minutes
.
They said we need to.
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His heart rate is dropping sothey used the vacuum to get him
out in the end on his head.
But yeah, I didn't have anydrugs to intervene and it was
good.
I loved his birth so much.
And then I found, when I joineda mother's group, no one had had
the same experience and a lotof women were just like saying
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how bad birth was and howhorrendous it was, and some had
even booked in for cesareansbecause they didn't even want to
bother trying.
I remember just listening toall of these women and thinking,
wow, I actually had such abeautiful, positive experience
and I couldn't believe thatthere were so many that didn't
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have the same, or just theirview of it before going in was
that it was going to be terribleand painful and horrendous, and
so that's what the experiencewas.
Stephanie Theriault (09:56):
It's nice that you are sharing your story.
There are so many stories outthere women having traumatic
birth stories and we need morepositive ones, women who go into
the pregnancy believing intheir body, believing in the
process and their baby andputting that out into the
universe.
Nothing is ever guaranteed, butif you put the goodness and you
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put the belief in and even withmy patients I tell them like so
much of labor and birth, it'syour mind, your body and your
soul.
It's all connected.
You have to believe in yourself.
Jade Lomax (10:32):
Yeah, I know I do remember thinking, like all
through that labor, that I wasoutside of my body, like it was,
like my body was just doing itsthing and my mind was just kind
of watching.
Yeah, it was interesting.
I just, yeah, stood at thekitchen bench for hours, just
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swaying from side to side,letting my body do what it
needed to do.
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Usually in labor and delivery,we say the second child's the
wild child.
They usually come a little bitquicker, so I'm curious if that
resonates with your birth storyfor your second child yeah, he,
he definitely was the wild child, but probably not he definitely
.
Jade Lomax (12:48):
I was going to say he definitely is in life too,
but no, then I had my third andhe is even wilder, which I
didn't think I could get wilderthan my second.
No, so, because my waters hadbroken and then my first baby
was born within 20 minutes.
Then, when I had my next son,the hospital were very strict on
you have to get in as soon asyou start having contractions,
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because you're probably going tohave a quick birth and you'll
have to get in quickly to thehospital.
Blah, blah, blah.
So with him my waters broke athome.
I wasn't really havingcontractions yet, but I'd had
some bleeding during the day.
So I knew that things werehappening and that he'd be here
soon.
And then I woke up same timeactually like around 2.30 in the
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morning, with my watersbreaking.
So I jumped up out of bed andbecause the hospital had been so
much like between the watersand the birth with your first,
it was quick, so your second isgoing to be even quicker.
So we were kind of flusteredthen because we were like, oh my
God, this baby is coming, webetter go.
And we jumped in the car andwent to hospital.
And then once we got into thehospital, which is like about
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3.30 AM, there was just nocontractions.
And once I finally got to thehospital and like stopped
instead of like packing bags andwhatever, I was like, yeah,
there's, I'm actually not havingany contractions.
So that sort of went on for abit through the morning and then
about um nine o'clock, nine am,they sort of said to me because
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your waters have broken,there's chance of infection.
Like we should get him out, wewill put you on the drip to
start the contractions.
And I was hesitant and Ithought I don't, I don't really
want an induction.
But we were also like, well, wedon't know, we trust what the
hospital is saying.
And I said to them could youjust start the drip just for a
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little bit to get things goingand then we turn it off.
And they were like yeah, yeah,sure, no worries.
And naively I was like okay,great, anyway, they put the drip
in.
It felt like they basicallyjust ramped it up to whatever,
the highest, the highest theycould get it to.
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So I went from having nocontractions to like full-on
contractions, like one minutelong contractions, no break in
between.
So then he was born within twohours of them starting that drip
.
It just felt like they blastedhim out of me.
It was very intense, yeah so.
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So that was his birth, whichjust felt upsetting because it
felt like it was stolen from mebut also from him, having a
birth that wasn't as gentle asmy first son's.
And also they said to me oh,his heart is dropping.
We need to put that like aheart monitor in his head.
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So they had put the needle inhis head to just check that his
heart was okay.
So the poor guy came out, hewas blasted out, he came out
with a needle in his head.
I was pretty upset after thatbirth and because we'd had such
a good hospital experience withmy first baby my husband loved
all the midwives, he wanted toinvite them all over for dinner,
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things like that, and with thisone it was just a completely
different experience.
So then by the time we had ourthird, I said we're having a
home birth and my husband, hetrusted me enough to be able to
make the decision, but he alsowasn't keen at all and my
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stepdad is a doctor, so he wascompletely against the situation
and my father-in-law is aparamedic, so he was against it
as well.
But I think thankfully at thetime it was during COVID.
So we were in lockdown inAustralia and so we couldn't see
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our family anyway, so theycouldn't actually come and visit
and try and change our minds.
And also at the time inAustralia the rules were that
you couldn't, your husbandcouldn't, you could only have
one person in the birthing suiteand so if you wanted to have a
doula, you couldn't have yourhusband and vice versa, if you
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wanted your husband, youcouldn't have any other birth
support.
And also we obviously couldn'tbring our kids in to visit the
baby and the midwives were allwearing all the hazmat suits and
everything and it just feltlike such an impersonable
experience that I was not.
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Yeah, it didn't feel like theright experience for birthing a
baby.
So we went for a home birth withour third, which was he was
actually my longest labor andyeah, it started early in the
morning as well, I think I wentin, started with contractions
probably around the same time,2am, and we called the midwives
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but they had been at anotherbirth.
So they were.
They weren't close by and Iactually wasn't too concerned
about that, but my husband wasstressing that we didn't have a
midwife at the time, but theyturned up.
It's interesting because theydidn't turn up until, I think,
about 7.30 in the morning andthen, once they turned up, then
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my body started having moreregular contraction, so it was
kind of like I was actuallyholding on until they had
arrived.
So then I started regularcontractions from about 7.30am
and my husband filled the pool,but I didn't.
I was just in my bedroom.
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Actually, my baby was posterior,so I had lots of back pain and
I couldn't really stay in oneposition because through the
contractions I was just movingmy hips trying to move him
around because he was in such apainful position.
So I couldn't really move frommy bedroom.
I just stayed leaning againstmy bed.
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And then, yeah, the midwiveswere out on the couch with my
husband drinking coffee andeating cake.
He'd baked a cake, so they wereall chatting.
They'd been at a birth the daybefore, so they were tired.
Anyway, I just at one point saidI think I need to push.
The midwives came down and then, yeah, he was born within like
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four minutes of pushing.
So, yeah, that was such abeautiful experience.
And then we just got to getback into bed and it was just us
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home for two days on our own,people delivered food and we
just slept whenever we needed toand it was so peaceful compared
to the hospital environment.
But yeah, it was amazing, and Ihad considered a home birth for
my second baby.
But I think because at the timewe were still living close to
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our parents and there was justno way that they would kind of
get on board with it and Ididn't really know any.
I didn't know the process of ahome birth.
It's not.
I don't really know many otherpeople who have had home births.
Definitely none of my friendshave had home births at the time
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where we were living, and so itwasn't till we had to move in
between my second and third baby, and then I met more midwives
who had had home births and Idon't.
We're just in a differentenvironment where our parents
weren't as influential over ourchoices.
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That was his birth.
But yeah, the home birth wasprobably by far the best, but
then I probably wouldn't havehad my first at home, because it
was my first and I wasn't.
I actually wouldn't not haveeven been aware that it was an
option, to be honest back then,because I don't know.
I was probably one of the firstin our friendship group also to
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be having a baby, so therewasn't I didn't have other
girlfriends to talk to it about,and it was just a normal thing
to go to hospital and have yourbaby.
That's what everyone did.
You know what I mean.
Stephanie Theriault (21:27):
Yeah, yeah.
I love the fact that you hadthree completely different birth
experiences and you got toexperience your first in the
local hospital with the midwives, with no interventions except
for the vacuum at the end.
And then you had the Pitocinand you could see how the
Pitocin interacts with your bodyand how it produces the birth
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of the child and then a homebirth.
So you really have a fullspectrum of what birth can look
like, and I think that's reallycool.
Yeah, yeah it is cool.
Having your last one, yourthird son at home brings it all
together.
Women talk about having aredeeming birth experience, and
birth is also healing too.
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So if there's anything thathappens prior that kind of just
didn't sit well with us, birthagain can kind of heal those
wounds.
Jade Lomax (22:21):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
And even just like the clampingof of the cord, like that kind
of thing is just in the hospitalwe found was just like yep,
okay, dad, do you want to cutthe cord?
And it was also like, yep, okay, and there's a placenta and off
it goes.
And whereas with our thirdbeing at home, they left the
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cord for as long as possibletill it went white and then we
kept the placenta to plant inthe garden and yeah, just all
that kind of stuff that I likewe got to see the placenta and
then keep it and decide what wedo with it.
And I just think about my otherbaby placentas and I'm like, oh
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, they would have just been likescraped off the bench into the
bin.
See you later.
I'm like, oh, just yeah, andnot anyone's fault.
Like do you know what I mean?
Like no one, not that thedoctors do it maliciously and we
never thought to ask to say,well, could we take it home?
I'm sure they probably wouldhave let us if we had have asked
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.
But yeah, just that.
Such a more wholesomeexperience.
And when you only have twomidwives as well, like when I
was in labor with both of myboys in hospital.
There's doctors coming in like,or student midwives or whatever,
saying, okay, it's my lunchbreak, now I'm just going to
lunch, like Sally's taking overwhilst I'm out.
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You know what I mean.
And so there's all these peoplethat you've never seen before,
and a new face every howeveroften, whereas at home I just
had the same two midwives myhusband, yeah and then they're
the same who support you thewhole way and they came back a
few days later and up until sixweeks they did home visits and
we could have had more if wewanted to, but, yeah, it just
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felt so much, gentler, I think,definitely nourishing and
peaceful, and just to get backinto your own bed with your
newborn baby is so nice, evenlike when, I remember he was
waking through the night,obviously, and so we could just
sit on the couch and put the tvon if we wanted to, and, yeah,
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not have to be listening to allthe bells from the hospital and
people coming in and out, andyeah, it's just such a wholesome
experience, do you find thatafter having birth and becoming
a mom, you went through atransition phase, whether
something personal or with yourcareer?
Yeah, I definitely didpersonally end with a career.
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I remember with my first, likeit's just so.
No one can prepare you for howmotherhood will change you.
And I remember in the beginninglike being frustrated with not
being able to hang out thewashing, things like that, like
I'd have this washing sitting inthe machine that had been there
all day and I couldn't hang itout because the baby had needed
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me for whatever reason.
And just things like that whereyou just realize you no longer
can do anything for yourselfwithout thinking about this
other human.
And even sometimes I feel like Ijust need to get out of this
house on the weekends when myhusband was home and I thought
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I'm just going to go to theshops and just walk around the
shops.
But then I'd be like, oh well,he needs feeding, so I really
need to express some milk, sothey've got milk whilst I'm gone
.
And then when I got to theshops I'd be looking at my watch
thinking, oh, he's going toneed a feed in a couple of hours
.
I've just got to do this, andthen I've got to get home.
So you actually can neverreally just think of yourself
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again, which took time for me tosort of realize.
That was probably more with myfirst, because by the time you
have your second you realize youcan be well aware of that.
And so I feel like the secondis much easier because you know
what is expected of you, youknow what your baby needs and
you've also kind of relinquishedto the fact that, okay, well,
I've got these babies now andthey need me for the next 20
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years or however long they'regoing to be needing you probably
50 years.
They probably never stopneeding you.
But yeah, it took time for meto transition through that and
also it's something that thehusband never has to understand.
I don't think my husband canget up, have breakfast and go to
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work and once he's at work foreight hours, he never has to
think about what happens at homewhilst he's not there or what
the kids need from him, becausethey don't really need anything
from him, especially in thoseearly years.
Like, yeah, that took that tooktime for me to get over that
kind of anger and frustration, Ithink with my first baby and
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then also wanting to go back towork with my first to get out of
the house, because I found itreally boring, sometimes just
exhausting.
I remember just singing nurseryrhymes over and over, just
looking at the clock, thinkingwhen will my husband be home,
and it's just kind of like brainnumbing having to do that.
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And I remember wanting to goback to work just to have adult
interaction and have a bit of meback, which I did go back
between my first and second andI ended up going back full-time,
mainly because of the maternityleave, because we knew we
wanted to have another baby andif I was working full-time at
the time then that would mean Iwould get paid a full-time wage
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rather than part-time.
So I went back full-time beforeI was planning on falling
pregnant and then we felt,because you had it was, I think
you had to be full-time for the12 months.
So you kind of have to bethinking about these kinds of
things.
Yeah, so my son went to daycare,which he kind of didn't mind.
Actually he never, really hedidn't.
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Well, he possibly he's veryquiet and he kind of
internalizes things.
So I often wonder what, whatactually he feels but doesn't
voice, but he kind of he wasfine with daycare.
From the outside it looked likehe adjusted well and then when
we had our second, we moved whenhe was only about six months
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old, so we didn't have anyfamily around, we didn't know
anyone, we didn't have anysupport.
So for me to go back to work,it was kind of they'd both be in
daycare and that was expensive,and also by then I wasn't
having those same feelings offrustration of wanting my life
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back.
By that time I'd kind ofaccepted what motherhood was
going to look like and, yeah, Iactually enjoyed being home.
And then, yeah, my son.
I tried to put him into daycaremy second son just one day a
week so that I could have sometime to work on.
We run our own business, so towork on that.
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But he hated daycare.
I would leave him screaming andI'd come back to pick him up
and he was still screaming andeven like that crying you know
where they can't breathe, wherethey're like like that kind of
crying.
And so I just I didn't leavehim in daycare for very long
because he just hated it and Ihated it and I didn't really
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need him there.
It was just more for me to havesome space.
So, yeah, I pulled him out.
I don't even know how long hestayed for actually.
Yeah, so he didn't go todaycare until he started
kindergarten here in Australia,which is about when he's four
years old yeah, four.
And then he went to school whenhe was five, but the year he
went to school was the year ofCOVID, so he had the first term
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of school.
And I remember when he went Ireally wasn't ready for him to
go to school.
I felt that with my first aswell, when I, when I took him to
school on that first day, Ijust remember thinking I didn't
realize, I was upset.
I just remember thinking fiveyears is not long enough.
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That's not, no, it's not longenough with them.
And I just remember it felt soweird that he was going to go to
school and be with someone elsefive days a week and that I was
meant to only see him two days.
And so then, when my second sonwent, and then we went into
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lockdown, I remember just beingso relieved because I thought,
ah, I wasn't ready for him to goto school anyway, and now I've
got this extra time with himwhich I was so grateful for.
And then it turned out inAustralia they were basically
off school for two years, whichI loved.
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I loved having them both home,and then in that time we had our
third baby, so then we had likethe three of them home and they
didn't love homeschool.
We actually didn't really dothe homeschooling.
The school would send stuff,but the kids hated it.
So my youngest he was only fiveanyway, so he did nothing,
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probably for none of the schoolwork for two years and my older
son he would do just like mathsand english basically and send
in his work and whatever, but hehe didn't really love it either
, but after those two years.
So by then they are now likeseven and 10 and they were
desperate to get back to schooljust to see their friends and I
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wanted to homeschool them afterthat.
It's also not really thereweren't many families doing it
and we tried it for a bit withsome other families, but it just
didn't really work for my kidsand they were desperate to see
their friends, so I basicallyjust sent them back to school.
They hadn't seen people for twoyears because of lockdown, so
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they basically just went backfor the social connection.
It's tough because I wouldhomeschool them all if they
wanted to be home, but theydon't want to be at home, they
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want to be with their friends.
And now my eldest, he's 13 andhe's in high school, so he loves
going to school.
And my other son, he hatedschool but he wanted to be with
his friends and he'd get into alot of trouble at school because
he wouldn't listen, because hewas so bored and he was in a
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class of 30 kids so there was alot of noise and he couldn't
concentrate.
So we ended up pulling him outlast year and starting the year
at a new school and it's more ofa Steiner-like school where the
child can kind of choose whatdirection they want to go in.
It's a lot more.
There's only 13 kids in hisclass, 13 kids and two teachers,
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so it's a lot more supportiveand a calmer environment, a lot
of like outdoors.
It's surrounded by bushland andhe is just a completely
different kid the best thing wehave ever done for him.
So yeah, he was just in thewrong environment.
It just wasn't the school, likesitting on the mat with your
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legs crossed and no, you can'tgo to the toilet until recess
and you have to eat your lunchat this time, all that sort of
thing and also the learning justwasn't interested in what
they're learning, whereas now inthis new school it's sort of
student-led and they just, hesaid, the learning is fun and
they teach it in a different way.
So, yeah, he's just thriving inthis new environment, which is
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great.
But yeah, so with my third babyI haven't I never went back to
work, so I've been, I've had himat home the whole time, which I
have loved and it then.
But because I was at home andnot working, it meant my husband
had to work more.
So he has an employer, but thenhe had to.
We started our own.
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He's a winemaker.
So we started our own winebusiness just to earn more money
to cover for my wage.
And then he started makingbarrel racks for the wine, which
is these metal racks at thebarrels in the winery stand or
sit sitting on top of each other, stacked on top of each other,
because he found there was ahole in the market.
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So he started doing that withone of my cousins who was a
boiler maker they call it inAustralia a welder.
So that meant he was away a lotand he was busy seven days a
week, he works all the time.
He works away from the home.
So it just started to get to apoint where we realized he was
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missing a lot of their childhoodand my husband said well, if
you want me home more, you'regoing to have to go back to work
.
But then just trying to workout how I could fit in going
back to work when he worked awaya lot, we don't have any family
support.
The kids would have to be inbefore school care and after
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school care, or my eldest wouldprobably have to be looking
after himself a lot more.
They play a lot of sports, soit would mean they'd probably
have to cut back on their sports.
Both of my boys play high levelbasketball and they want to go
to America in exchange to playbasketball, which means they
kind of have to keep up thishigh level if they're going to
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have the option to go to America.
So, yeah, then I started tothink well, I need something
online if I'm going to go backto work, and I ended up finding
something about 12 months agoonline that means I can just
work my own hours and work inaround my kids.
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And, yeah, that just became moreimportant that something had to
fit in around the kids and alsoworking for ourselves too, like
not having a boss that we hadto ask for time off or feel
guilty if the kids were sick andwe wanted to be at home with
them.
I remember as a kid being sickand my mum having to leave me at
home on my own.
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She would still have to go towork and I would be home on my
own and I just I didn't want tohave to do that to my kids.
So, yes, motherhood it'sdefinitely changed the way that
my career, the direction mycareer went in, and probably the
choices I wouldn't have made, Iguess, if we didn't have kids,
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but that we did make becausethey were beneficial for the
kids and the family.
We just had to make decisionsbased on what was best for the
family unit as a whole, ratherthan you know.
Sometimes I think I would loveto go back to work and be out of
the house and see other adultsand dress in nice clothes and
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yeah, but it just I don't knowthe times that I have done the
house has sort of fallen apartbecause no one picks up the
washing you know that needsdoing.
There's no one making meals,and then I started to forget
things like we'd haveappointment, dentist
appointments booked or something, and I'd miss them and I'd have
a call saying you had anappointment at 9 am this morning
(38:04):
.
You know things that I justlike, I just like I completely
forgot about that appointment,or birthdays.
I remember forgetting people'sbirthdays, like families, just
because you were so busy, justso busy, and then you think it's
such a fleeting time, it goesso quick, so I don't actually
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want to spend all of my daysaway from my kids when I know,
like my son is 13, I'm alreadystressing every day that he's
going to be moving out soon andhe probably won't go till he's
25 or something.
It just goes so quick.
Stephanie Theriault (38:42):
You and I connected through Instagram with
a post that you put up talkingabout how society doesn't give
enough emphasis to the womanbehind the scenes when a married
man is successful in thebusiness.
Would you be open to talkingabout why you chose to put up
(39:04):
that post and what the feedbackwas after the post was made?
Jade Lomax (39:09):
Yeah, sure, so I um.
So in my business I have thismentor and he he was saying your
personal story is what makesyou different to everyone else.
People want to hear your story.
And what is your story?
And for months and months I hadjust been like what is my story
(39:30):
?
Why am I a stay-at-home mom?
All the things I kept coming upwith just felt boring, and so I
was going over and over it formonths and then I saw someone
else said something similar onInstagram about how men are
praised for whatever and no oneever asks about the woman,
(39:55):
whatever the post was.
And then I was like yeah, thatis so true.
Because I was like that is mystory, Because I had that
growing up.
I grew up in a family where themen have been praised for
everything that they have doneand the women have just had to
go along with what was best forthe males.
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I didn't notice that until wemoved away from living close to
both of our families and Istarted to see how much the men
were valued and the womenweren't.
Then my husband also grew up ina family the same.
In the start of ourrelationship he would make a lot
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of the decisions and neverconsult me, and not because he
thought I shouldn't have anopinion, but because he'd never
seen it in his family.
So he'd grown up seeing the menin his family make all the
decisions and the wife having nochoice.
Like once he bought me a car,which just sounds like people's.
(41:00):
When I told this story in thebeginning like when it was
happening, this was probably 10years ago I remember people just
looking at me like I was crazybecause they were like bought
you a car, why aren't you happy?
But he we needed a new carbecause we were having our
second son and we needed abigger car, and so he wanted to
buy a station wagon because itwould fit a lot of wine in the
(41:22):
back.
It made sense, it was practical, blah, blah, blah.
And I said I don't like stationwagons, I don't really want a
station wagon.
And there was kind of never adiscussion about it because I
don't think he had ever seenanyone having a discussion
growing up.
So it was just sort of he justkept looking for this particular
(41:43):
car that he wanted and I justkept saying I don't really like
those cars, I don't want todrive that car, I'd prefer to
choose something that I like andhe ended up going to look at
this car with his dad, whichkind of made it even worse
because his dad just has norespect for women, and so it
(42:03):
kind of made it worse that thetwo of them went together and he
ended up buying it and thenbringing it home so a car that I
had never seen, I never testdrove it, I never said I wanted
that car, I had voiced that Ididn't want that car, and he
went and just bought the caranyway and traded in my other
cars you know like.
And we then had to work on a lotof that through our marriage,
(42:27):
where I was like I don't want tobe in a relationship where my
husband makes the choices for me, and he was kind of like, yeah,
right, it had never crossed hismind that I should have an
opinion or that I would want anopinion, so anyway.
Then when I started lookingback, I was like, yeah, that is
my story where, like all throughmy life, I have been silenced
(42:52):
because the men in my life aremore important, and anyway.
So then I I created this postand as I was writing it, I was
like feeling like, yeah, this is, this is what has happened all
through my life, Cause I feltlike I'd finally landed on the
piece that my mentor had beensaying for months, like what is
your story?
What is your story?
And it said.
(43:13):
The post said my husband ispraised for all the awards he
wins because he does win a lotof awards with his winemaking
and no one ever asks what I gaveup my career.
And no one ever asks what Igave up my career, my super fund
, life for my kids, my identity.
No one ever asks what thefemale gives up in order for the
(43:38):
male to win these awards, Allthe months I've spent alone with
my kids whilst he's working.
And yet the post went viral.
There was like 4 million viewswithin 24 hours or something,
and there's like 25,000 likesand I couldn't even keep up with
the messages in my inbox or thecomments on the post.
(44:00):
But then there's so many womenthat were saying my gosh, yes,
this is my life and thank youfor saying that.
And women messaging me sayingJade, I am living in a third
world country for my husband'scareer.
Right now, I'm raising two kidson my own in a country I don't
speak the language.
And yeah, just so many storiesbut then so much hate from men.
(44:22):
I got so much people telling methat I should drive into a tree
.
Next time you get in your car,make sure you drive into a tree
so we don't have to listen toyou again.
People finding my husband onInstagram and sending him
personal messages.
People saying do you need adivorce lawyer?
I hope your husband leaves youfor someone younger and hotter.
(44:43):
And like it was so intense.
Like people calling me theworst like I don't swear very
often, but like words that Iwould never even use.
It was so bad.
People saying you aredisgusting.
You should not be near any male.
Yeah, it was.
It was pretty intense.
And so I ended up deleting thepost because it was causing me
so much anxiety and also becauseit's a business page.
(45:06):
I was losing all theseconversations that I could have
been having with women that Icould support because I just
couldn't find them in all theamongst all these messages.
And then also people abusingeach other on the post.
Yeah, it was really.
It was really intense, and Ijust felt the message got so
(45:27):
misconstrued, like I what peoplewere saying.
I bet your husband doesn't evenknow you've posted this and I I
wasn't even replying because Ithought it takes me 30 seconds
to a minute, two minutes,however long it takes to reply,
and if I added up that overthousands of messages that I had
, that is time that I would havepreferred to walk along the
(45:50):
beach with my kids, spend timehaving a coffee with my husband,
Like there are so many moreimportant things in my life than
replying to messages from thesepeople who don't know me and
who just misconstrued what I wastrying to say.
Yeah, it was intense, it wasvery intense, but at the same
(46:12):
time, I'm like there's obviouslywomen out there who feel the
same as me, who they're the onesthat I want to support and help
and get the message through tothat it doesn't have to look
like that and also, yourrelationship doesn't have to end
up in divorce.
I could have gone down thatpath for sure with my husband if
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he had not realized that myopinion was valuable and that my
dream should be considered aswell.
But thank goodness he was openenough to just be like yeah,
right, we didn't know you neededto have a voice in our marriage
.
It was baffling to me, but yeah, and I just want other people
(46:54):
to realize that as well.
I think that it doesn't allhave to end in divorce.
It's not like attacking.
We don't all have to attackeach other.
Yeah, so that post.
Stephanie Theriault (47:06):
I want to ask you on your Instagram page
you have out then I'll look forsomething for myself.
Jade Lomax (47:30):
And even for their marriage as well.
I don't want couples to bewaiting until they're 60, 65, 70
to think that is when we'remeant to spend time together.
Yeah, I just want families tobe brought back together now and
I want parents to spend timewith their kids now, whilst
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they're young, and I wanthusbands and wives to enjoy
their marriages now and notthink it's all meant to be at a
later date.
And also, last year I had aclose friend of mine die and her
husband is just now left withthree babies.
(48:12):
It just makes me so sad that,like that could happen to any of
us and that could happen to myfamily, and I just want to spend
as much time with my husbandand kids as I can because we
just you don't know, you don'tknow when these things will
(48:53):
happen, so I don't want peopleto wait to start living.
Stephanie Theriault (48:59):
Your message resonates across the
globe.
Listening to your story,listening to how women have
reached out to you, not eventhinking about the negative, you
did hit a nerve, but it'sbecause you're speaking the
truth.
It's fascinating to me that youare able to speak a truth and
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have it resonate with women allacross the globe, because there
is interconnectedness in being awoman and being a mother, and
so many times the focus is onwhat separates us and how we're
different.
And when it comes down to it,what you speak of motherhood,
marriage, being a wife, careers,decisions we have to make life
(49:45):
and death it's all connected.
It's really beautiful whatyou're doing, and I think that's
why so many people resonatewith your message.
Jade Lomax (49:53):
Thank you, but yeah, it is just so amazing All the
messages I get, like you say,from all around the world and
we're all just the same, doingthe same thing and wanting the
same thing.
Yeah, and that's the amazingthing about social media now we
can connect with like-mindedpeople from anywhere.
(50:14):
Amazing what the internet hasopened up, actually.
Stephanie Theriault (50:19):
Jade, it has been such a pleasure
chatting with you today.
I want to thank you for beingopen and vulnerable and sharing
your story with us.
I really appreciate you takingthe time out of your busy
schedule.
I know you're with your threesons and your work and
motherhood and life, so I reallydo appreciate you taking the
time and trusting me to sit downand have a conversation.
Jade Lomax (50:42):
Yeah, thank you, stephanie.
Thank you for asking me.
Thank you so much for reachingout and inviting me on.
It's been great to talk to you,it's been a pleasure.
Thank you.
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Welcome to the Maternal Wealth Podcast, a
space for all things related tomaternal health, pregnancy and
beyond.
I'm your host, Stephanie Terrio.
I'm a labor and delivery nurseand a mother to three beautiful
boys.
Each week, week, we dive intoinspiring stories and expert
insights to remind us of thepower that you hold in
childbirth and motherhood.
We're here to explore the joys,the challenges and the
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Every mother's journey isunique and every story deserves
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In this week's episode, I have awonderful conversation with
Jade Lomax, a proud mother ofthree boys living in Australia.
We first connected when sheshared a heartfelt post
highlighting the disparities andhow a wife's effort behind her
husband's business and financialsuccesses are often overlooked.
It was a meaningful discussionthat I think you will find
inspiring.
Our conversation highlights theessential efforts women and
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mothers put in daily to keep ahousehold running smoothly.
Jade shares with us her uniquebirth stories for each of her
sons, giving us a glimpse intoher experience the bond we
mothers share with our childrenis truly special and constantly
evolving as they grow.
It's a reminder of the love andthe dedication that shape our
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journey as mothers.
Without further ado, let's getinto it.
Hi, Jade, Welcome to theMaternal Wealth Podcast.
I'm so glad that you're here.
Jade Lomax (02:02):
Hi, stephanie, thanks so much for having me.
I would love for you to start bysharing with us a little bit
about yourself before you becamea mom.
Sure, so before I became a mom,I was overseas traveling.
I went to university to becomean accountant and I did my
(02:22):
graduate year as an accountantand I hated it and I just wanted
to travel.
And I probably wanted to travelcoming out of high school
actually, and never did becauseI just thought I should go to
university and I should get mydegree first and all of the
things.
So anyway, once I graduated anddidn't enjoy accounting, I
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decided to go overseas.
So I moved to London and Istayed there for four years and
traveled and then I basicallycame home because I didn't have
a visa anymore and I couldn'tkeep staying there, and so I
came home and then I just stayedhome with my family over the
(03:12):
summer.
I just wanted to have thesummer off because I'd been away
for four years and I wanted tocatch up with everyone.
And my husband I actually wentto school with.
I grew up with him, so Ialready knew him, and when I got
back from overseas wereconnected and then started
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seeing him, got back intoaccountancy actually to earn
some money and then, after abouttwo years of dating my husband.
Then we fell pregnant with ourfirst.
So yes, before I had kids, Iwas basically just traveling.
Stephanie Theriault (03:52):
I'm curious when you were in London, were
you working as an accountant orwere you trying something new?
Jade Lomax (03:58):
Yeah, I did to begin with.
For the two years that I had myvisa I worked office jobs and
then I ended up in a job that Iwas recruiting pilots for
airlines, which I actually lovedat that job, and I moved to
Dublin to Ireland for 12 monthsbecause I could get a 12-month
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visa in Ireland for work.
So I did that and, yeah, Ireally loved that job actually
because I've always loved traveland I wanted to be an air
hostess when I left school but Iwas too tall I'm six foot tall
and that was too tall.
Actually, apparently it stillis, they still have that rule so
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I couldn't become an airhostess.
So, yeah, I really love thatjob.
But then my visa ran out forboth countries so I ended up
working for elderly people, justlooking after them, getting
paid cash Through some friends.
I had a lot of girlfriends whowere nurses from Australia who
were living in London at thetime and that was the kind of
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work they did, because it paidreally well and you got paid
cash and it was flexible.
You could still do lots oftravel.
So I ended up kind of goinginto that for a bit at the end,
just to be able to stay inLondon actually.
Stephanie Theriault (05:13):
So then, when you got back to Australia
and you rekindled yourrelationship with your husband,
you fell pregnant with youroldest.
Tell us about your decision,whether you decided to have an
OBGYN or a midwife.
Did you have a home birth?
Were you in the hospital?
Share with us a little bitabout your birth story with your
(05:36):
oldest.
Jade Lomax (05:36):
Yeah, so in Australia you have to have
private health insurance for 12months before you can have a
private obstetrician.
You can actually pay for it,but it's really expensive.
So having a privateobstetrician wasn't something
that we were in the position todo at that time.
So we were planning to have himat the local public hospital.
(06:00):
And, yeah, it's actuallyinteresting because it wasn't
until I fell pregnant that thenI just had this strong intuition
that I could just trust my bodythe whole time that I didn
would all pan out.
So we just he was actually dueon the 19th of December and at
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about 20 weeks they said do youwant to book in for a cesarean?
And I said, no, why would I dothat?
And they said, well, it's veryclose to Christmas, so why don't
you just book in so that youdon't have a Christmas baby?
And I was mortified.
I was like, no, I would never.
I would never do that.
I trust my body and my baby andwhen he is here due to arrive,
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he'll arrive.
And so we didn't book in for acesarean.
Yeah, so just went through thepublic system in Australia,
which is pretty just kind ofbasic.
I guess you see a differentmidwife every time you go to the
hospital and you don't know whoyou'll have on the day.
It's just sort of whateverobstetrician is sort of rostered
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on that day.
But that kind of didn't worryme at the time because I just
trusted myself more than someoneexternal, which I found
interesting, being my first baby.
But I was just fully trustingin the process, I think.
And then, of course, christmasEve I got into bed and I was
thinking, yeah, I'm feeling good, I'm pretty sure I'm going to
(07:39):
make it to at least Boxing Day,got into bed, woke up at about
2.30 Christmas morning with somepains in my stomach and I
thought, oh, I'm not feelingvery well and was just laying in
bed.
And then after a while Ithought, oh no, these pains are
coming in waves, they'reactually contractions.
So I started timingcontractions.
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I stayed at home until about7.30 am and my contractions by
that time were four minutesapart and my husband was
stressing because we'd been toldbut if you're four minutes
apart, you should be in hospitalby now.
And blah, blah, blah.
So he got me in the car to getto hospital and then it was
quite quick from when we got tohospital.
(08:22):
I guess my waters broke ataround 9am and then he was born
about 20 past nine on Christmasday.
So yes, I did end up with aChristmas baby.
Stephanie Theriault (08:32):
Whoever was the woman who was trying to
schedule you for the C-sectionthe elective C-section she
jinxed it for you.
Jade Lomax (08:40):
Yeah, because I was thinking that would never happen
to me, I would never have aChristmas baby.
And then here he came.
So yes, but I actually I lovedhis birth and I didn't have any
interventions Actually, no, heended up in the last few minutes
.
They said we need to.
(09:01):
His heart rate is dropping sothey used the vacuum to get him
out in the end on his head.
But yeah, I didn't have anydrugs to intervene and it was
good.
I loved his birth so much.
And then I found, when I joineda mother's group, no one had had
the same experience and a lotof women were just like saying
(09:24):
how bad birth was and howhorrendous it was, and some had
even booked in for cesareansbecause they didn't even want to
bother trying.
I remember just listening toall of these women and thinking,
wow, I actually had such abeautiful, positive experience
and I couldn't believe thatthere were so many that didn't
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have the same, or just theirview of it before going in was
that it was going to be terribleand painful and horrendous, and
so that's what the experiencewas.
Stephanie Theriault (09:56):
It's nice that you are sharing your story.
There are so many stories outthere women having traumatic
birth stories and we need morepositive ones, women who go into
the pregnancy believing intheir body, believing in the
process and their baby andputting that out into the
universe.
Nothing is ever guaranteed, butif you put the goodness and you
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put the belief in and even withmy patients I tell them like so
much of labor and birth, it'syour mind, your body and your
soul.
It's all connected.
You have to believe in yourself.
Jade Lomax (10:32):
Yeah, I know I do remember thinking, like all
through that labor, that I wasoutside of my body, like it was,
like my body was just doing itsthing and my mind was just kind
of watching.
Yeah, it was interesting.
I just, yeah, stood at thekitchen bench for hours, just
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swaying from side to side,letting my body do what it
needed to do.
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Usually in labor and delivery,we say the second child's the
wild child.
They usually come a little bitquicker, so I'm curious if that
resonates with your birth storyfor your second child yeah, he,
he definitely was the wild child, but probably not he definitely
.
Jade Lomax (12:48):
I was going to say he definitely is in life too,
but no, then I had my third andhe is even wilder, which I
didn't think I could get wilderthan my second.
No, so, because my waters hadbroken and then my first baby
was born within 20 minutes.
Then, when I had my next son,the hospital were very strict on
you have to get in as soon asyou start having contractions,
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because you're probably going tohave a quick birth and you'll
have to get in quickly to thehospital.
Blah, blah, blah.
So with him my waters broke athome.
I wasn't really havingcontractions yet, but I'd had
some bleeding during the day.
So I knew that things werehappening and that he'd be here
soon.
And then I woke up same timeactually like around 2.30 in the
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morning, with my watersbreaking.
So I jumped up out of bed andbecause the hospital had been so
much like between the watersand the birth with your first,
it was quick, so your second isgoing to be even quicker.
So we were kind of flusteredthen because we were like, oh my
God, this baby is coming, webetter go.
And we jumped in the car andwent to hospital.
And then once we got into thehospital, which is like about
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3.30 AM, there was just nocontractions.
And once I finally got to thehospital and like stopped
instead of like packing bags andwhatever, I was like, yeah,
there's, I'm actually not havingany contractions.
So that sort of went on for abit through the morning and then
about um nine o'clock, nine am,they sort of said to me because
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your waters have broken,there's chance of infection.
Like we should get him out, wewill put you on the drip to
start the contractions.
And I was hesitant and Ithought I don't, I don't really
want an induction.
But we were also like, well, wedon't know, we trust what the
hospital is saying.
And I said to them could youjust start the drip just for a
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little bit to get things goingand then we turn it off.
And they were like yeah, yeah,sure, no worries.
And naively I was like okay,great, anyway, they put the drip
in.
It felt like they basicallyjust ramped it up to whatever,
the highest, the highest theycould get it to.
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So I went from having nocontractions to like full-on
contractions, like one minutelong contractions, no break in
between.
So then he was born within twohours of them starting that drip
.
It just felt like they blastedhim out of me.
It was very intense, yeah so.
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So that was his birth, whichjust felt upsetting because it
felt like it was stolen from mebut also from him, having a
birth that wasn't as gentle asmy first son's.
And also they said to me oh,his heart is dropping.
We need to put that like aheart monitor in his head.
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So they had put the needle inhis head to just check that his
heart was okay.
So the poor guy came out, hewas blasted out, he came out
with a needle in his head.
I was pretty upset after thatbirth and because we'd had such
a good hospital experience withmy first baby my husband loved
all the midwives, he wanted toinvite them all over for dinner,
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things like that, and with thisone it was just a completely
different experience.
So then by the time we had ourthird, I said we're having a
home birth and my husband, hetrusted me enough to be able to
make the decision, but he alsowasn't keen at all and my
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stepdad is a doctor, so he wascompletely against the situation
and my father-in-law is aparamedic, so he was against it
as well.
But I think thankfully at thetime it was during COVID.
So we were in lockdown inAustralia and so we couldn't see
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our family anyway, so theycouldn't actually come and visit
and try and change our minds.
And also at the time inAustralia the rules were that
you couldn't, your husbandcouldn't, you could only have
one person in the birthing suiteand so if you wanted to have a
doula, you couldn't have yourhusband and vice versa, if you
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wanted your husband, youcouldn't have any other birth
support.
And also we obviously couldn'tbring our kids in to visit the
baby and the midwives were allwearing all the hazmat suits and
everything and it just feltlike such an impersonable
experience that I was not.
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Yeah, it didn't feel like theright experience for birthing a
baby.
So we went for a home birth withour third, which was he was
actually my longest labor andyeah, it started early in the
morning as well, I think I wentin, started with contractions
probably around the same time,2am, and we called the midwives
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but they had been at anotherbirth.
So they were.
They weren't close by and Iactually wasn't too concerned
about that, but my husband wasstressing that we didn't have a
midwife at the time, but theyturned up.
It's interesting because theydidn't turn up until, I think,
about 7.30 in the morning andthen, once they turned up, then
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my body started having moreregular contraction, so it was
kind of like I was actuallyholding on until they had
arrived.
So then I started regularcontractions from about 7.30am
and my husband filled the pool,but I didn't.
I was just in my bedroom.
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Actually, my baby was posterior,so I had lots of back pain and
I couldn't really stay in oneposition because through the
contractions I was just movingmy hips trying to move him
around because he was in such apainful position.
So I couldn't really move frommy bedroom.
I just stayed leaning againstmy bed.
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And then, yeah, the midwiveswere out on the couch with my
husband drinking coffee andeating cake.
He'd baked a cake, so they wereall chatting.
They'd been at a birth the daybefore, so they were tired.
Anyway, I just at one point saidI think I need to push.
The midwives came down and then, yeah, he was born within like
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four minutes of pushing.
So, yeah, that was such abeautiful experience.
And then we just got to getback into bed and it was just us
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home for two days on our own,people delivered food and we
just slept whenever we needed toand it was so peaceful compared
to the hospital environment.
But yeah, it was amazing, and Ihad considered a home birth for
my second baby.
But I think because at the timewe were still living close to
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our parents and there was justno way that they would kind of
get on board with it and Ididn't really know any.
I didn't know the process of ahome birth.
It's not.
I don't really know many otherpeople who have had home births.
Definitely none of my friendshave had home births at the time
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where we were living, and so itwasn't till we had to move in
between my second and third baby, and then I met more midwives
who had had home births and Idon't.
We're just in a differentenvironment where our parents
weren't as influential over ourchoices.
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That was his birth.
But yeah, the home birth wasprobably by far the best, but
then I probably wouldn't havehad my first at home, because it
was my first and I wasn't.
I actually wouldn't not haveeven been aware that it was an
option, to be honest back then,because I don't know.
I was probably one of the firstin our friendship group also to
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be having a baby, so therewasn't I didn't have other
girlfriends to talk to it about,and it was just a normal thing
to go to hospital and have yourbaby.
That's what everyone did.
You know what I mean.
Stephanie Theriault (21:27):
Yeah, yeah.
I love the fact that you hadthree completely different birth
experiences and you got toexperience your first in the
local hospital with the midwives, with no interventions except
for the vacuum at the end.
And then you had the Pitocinand you could see how the
Pitocin interacts with your bodyand how it produces the birth
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of the child and then a homebirth.
So you really have a fullspectrum of what birth can look
like, and I think that's reallycool.
Yeah, yeah it is cool.
Having your last one, yourthird son at home brings it all
together.
Women talk about having aredeeming birth experience, and
birth is also healing too.
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So if there's anything thathappens prior that kind of just
didn't sit well with us, birthagain can kind of heal those
wounds.
Jade Lomax (22:21):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
And even just like the clampingof of the cord, like that kind
of thing is just in the hospitalwe found was just like yep,
okay, dad, do you want to cutthe cord?
And it was also like, yep, okay, and there's a placenta and off
it goes.
And whereas with our thirdbeing at home, they left the
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cord for as long as possibletill it went white and then we
kept the placenta to plant inthe garden and yeah, just all
that kind of stuff that I likewe got to see the placenta and
then keep it and decide what wedo with it.
And I just think about my otherbaby placentas and I'm like, oh
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, they would have just been likescraped off the bench into the
bin.
See you later.
I'm like, oh, just yeah, andnot anyone's fault.
Like do you know what I mean?
Like no one, not that thedoctors do it maliciously and we
never thought to ask to say,well, could we take it home?
I'm sure they probably wouldhave let us if we had have asked
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.
But yeah, just that.
Such a more wholesomeexperience.
And when you only have twomidwives as well, like when I
was in labor with both of myboys in hospital.
There's doctors coming in like,or student midwives or whatever,
saying, okay, it's my lunchbreak, now I'm just going to
lunch, like Sally's taking overwhilst I'm out.
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You know what I mean.
And so there's all these peoplethat you've never seen before,
and a new face every howeveroften, whereas at home I just
had the same two midwives myhusband, yeah and then they're
the same who support you thewhole way and they came back a
few days later and up until sixweeks they did home visits and
we could have had more if wewanted to, but, yeah, it just
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felt so much, gentler, I think,definitely nourishing and
peaceful, and just to get backinto your own bed with your
newborn baby is so nice, evenlike when, I remember he was
waking through the night,obviously, and so we could just
sit on the couch and put the tvon if we wanted to, and, yeah,
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not have to be listening to allthe bells from the hospital and
people coming in and out, andyeah, it's just such a wholesome
experience, do you find thatafter having birth and becoming
a mom, you went through atransition phase, whether
something personal or with yourcareer?
Yeah, I definitely didpersonally end with a career.
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I remember with my first, likeit's just so.
No one can prepare you for howmotherhood will change you.
And I remember in the beginninglike being frustrated with not
being able to hang out thewashing, things like that, like
I'd have this washing sitting inthe machine that had been there
all day and I couldn't hang itout because the baby had needed
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me for whatever reason.
And just things like that whereyou just realize you no longer
can do anything for yourselfwithout thinking about this
other human.
And even sometimes I feel like Ijust need to get out of this
house on the weekends when myhusband was home and I thought
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I'm just going to go to theshops and just walk around the
shops.
But then I'd be like, oh well,he needs feeding, so I really
need to express some milk, sothey've got milk whilst I'm gone
.
And then when I got to theshops I'd be looking at my watch
thinking, oh, he's going toneed a feed in a couple of hours
.
I've just got to do this, andthen I've got to get home.
So you actually can neverreally just think of yourself
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again, which took time for me tosort of realize.
That was probably more with myfirst, because by the time you
have your second you realize youcan be well aware of that.
And so I feel like the secondis much easier because you know
what is expected of you, youknow what your baby needs and
you've also kind of relinquishedto the fact that, okay, well,
I've got these babies now andthey need me for the next 20
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years or however long they'regoing to be needing you probably
50 years.
They probably never stopneeding you.
But yeah, it took time for meto transition through that and
also it's something that thehusband never has to understand.
I don't think my husband canget up, have breakfast and go to
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work and once he's at work foreight hours, he never has to
think about what happens at homewhilst he's not there or what
the kids need from him, becausethey don't really need anything
from him, especially in thoseearly years.
Like, yeah, that took that tooktime for me to get over that
kind of anger and frustration, Ithink with my first baby and
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then also wanting to go back towork with my first to get out of
the house, because I found itreally boring, sometimes just
exhausting.
I remember just singing nurseryrhymes over and over, just
looking at the clock, thinkingwhen will my husband be home,
and it's just kind of like brainnumbing having to do that.
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And I remember wanting to goback to work just to have adult
interaction and have a bit of meback, which I did go back
between my first and second andI ended up going back full-time,
mainly because of the maternityleave, because we knew we
wanted to have another baby andif I was working full-time at
the time then that would mean Iwould get paid a full-time wage
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rather than part-time.
So I went back full-time beforeI was planning on falling
pregnant and then we felt,because you had it was, I think
you had to be full-time for the12 months.
So you kind of have to bethinking about these kinds of
things.
Yeah, so my son went to daycare,which he kind of didn't mind.
Actually he never, really hedidn't.
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Well, he possibly he's veryquiet and he kind of
internalizes things.
So I often wonder what, whatactually he feels but doesn't
voice, but he kind of he wasfine with daycare.
From the outside it looked likehe adjusted well and then when
we had our second, we moved whenhe was only about six months
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old, so we didn't have anyfamily around, we didn't know
anyone, we didn't have anysupport.
So for me to go back to work,it was kind of they'd both be in
daycare and that was expensive,and also by then I wasn't
having those same feelings offrustration of wanting my life
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back.
By that time I'd kind ofaccepted what motherhood was
going to look like and, yeah, Iactually enjoyed being home.
And then, yeah, my son.
I tried to put him into daycaremy second son just one day a
week so that I could have sometime to work on.
We run our own business, so towork on that.
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But he hated daycare.
I would leave him screaming andI'd come back to pick him up
and he was still screaming andeven like that crying you know
where they can't breathe, wherethey're like like that kind of
crying.
And so I just I didn't leavehim in daycare for very long
because he just hated it and Ihated it and I didn't really
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need him there.
It was just more for me to havesome space.
So, yeah, I pulled him out.
I don't even know how long hestayed for actually.
Yeah, so he didn't go todaycare until he started
kindergarten here in Australia,which is about when he's four
years old yeah, four.
And then he went to school whenhe was five, but the year he
went to school was the year ofCOVID, so he had the first term
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of school.
And I remember when he went Ireally wasn't ready for him to
go to school.
I felt that with my first aswell, when I, when I took him to
school on that first day, Ijust remember thinking I didn't
realize, I was upset.
I just remember thinking fiveyears is not long enough.
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That's not, no, it's not longenough with them.
And I just remember it felt soweird that he was going to go to
school and be with someone elsefive days a week and that I was
meant to only see him two days.
And so then, when my second sonwent, and then we went into
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lockdown, I remember just beingso relieved because I thought,
ah, I wasn't ready for him to goto school anyway, and now I've
got this extra time with himwhich I was so grateful for.
And then it turned out inAustralia they were basically
off school for two years, whichI loved.
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I loved having them both home,and then in that time we had our
third baby, so then we had likethe three of them home and they
didn't love homeschool.
We actually didn't really dothe homeschooling.
The school would send stuff,but the kids hated it.
So my youngest he was only fiveanyway, so he did nothing,
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probably for none of the schoolwork for two years and my older
son he would do just like mathsand english basically and send
in his work and whatever, but hehe didn't really love it either
, but after those two years.
So by then they are now likeseven and 10 and they were
desperate to get back to schooljust to see their friends and I
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wanted to homeschool them afterthat.
It's also not really thereweren't many families doing it
and we tried it for a bit withsome other families, but it just
didn't really work for my kidsand they were desperate to see
their friends, so I basicallyjust sent them back to school.
They hadn't seen people for twoyears because of lockdown, so
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they basically just went backfor the social connection.
It's tough because I wouldhomeschool them all if they
wanted to be home, but theydon't want to be at home, they
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want to be with their friends.
And now my eldest, he's 13 andhe's in high school, so he loves
going to school.
And my other son, he hatedschool but he wanted to be with
his friends and he'd get into alot of trouble at school because
he wouldn't listen, because hewas so bored and he was in a
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class of 30 kids so there was alot of noise and he couldn't
concentrate.
So we ended up pulling him outlast year and starting the year
at a new school and it's more ofa Steiner-like school where the
child can kind of choose whatdirection they want to go in.
It's a lot more.
There's only 13 kids in hisclass, 13 kids and two teachers,
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so it's a lot more supportiveand a calmer environment, a lot
of like outdoors.
It's surrounded by bushland andhe is just a completely
different kid the best thing wehave ever done for him.
So yeah, he was just in thewrong environment.
It just wasn't the school, likesitting on the mat with your
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legs crossed and no, you can'tgo to the toilet until recess
and you have to eat your lunchat this time, all that sort of
thing and also the learning justwasn't interested in what
they're learning, whereas now inthis new school it's sort of
student-led and they just, hesaid, the learning is fun and
they teach it in a different way.
So, yeah, he's just thriving inthis new environment, which is
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great.
But yeah, so with my third babyI haven't I never went back to
work, so I've been, I've had himat home the whole time, which I
have loved and it then.
But because I was at home andnot working, it meant my husband
had to work more.
So he has an employer, but thenhe had to.
We started our own.
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He's a winemaker.
So we started our own winebusiness just to earn more money
to cover for my wage.
And then he started makingbarrel racks for the wine, which
is these metal racks at thebarrels in the winery stand or
sit sitting on top of each other, stacked on top of each other,
because he found there was ahole in the market.
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So he started doing that withone of my cousins who was a
boiler maker they call it inAustralia a welder.
So that meant he was away a lotand he was busy seven days a
week, he works all the time.
He works away from the home.
So it just started to get to apoint where we realized he was
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missing a lot of their childhoodand my husband said well, if
you want me home more, you'regoing to have to go back to work
.
But then just trying to workout how I could fit in going
back to work when he worked awaya lot, we don't have any family
support.
The kids would have to be inbefore school care and after
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school care, or my eldest wouldprobably have to be looking
after himself a lot more.
They play a lot of sports, soit would mean they'd probably
have to cut back on their sports.
Both of my boys play high levelbasketball and they want to go
to America in exchange to playbasketball, which means they
kind of have to keep up thishigh level if they're going to
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have the option to go to America.
So, yeah, then I started tothink well, I need something
online if I'm going to go backto work, and I ended up finding
something about 12 months agoonline that means I can just
work my own hours and work inaround my kids.
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And, yeah, that just became moreimportant that something had to
fit in around the kids and alsoworking for ourselves too, like
not having a boss that we hadto ask for time off or feel
guilty if the kids were sick andwe wanted to be at home with
them.
I remember as a kid being sickand my mum having to leave me at
home on my own.
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She would still have to go towork and I would be home on my
own and I just I didn't want tohave to do that to my kids.
So, yes, motherhood it'sdefinitely changed the way that
my career, the direction mycareer went in, and probably the
choices I wouldn't have made, Iguess, if we didn't have kids,
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but that we did make becausethey were beneficial for the
kids and the family.
We just had to make decisionsbased on what was best for the
family unit as a whole, ratherthan you know.
Sometimes I think I would loveto go back to work and be out of
the house and see other adultsand dress in nice clothes and
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yeah, but it just I don't knowthe times that I have done the
house has sort of fallen apartbecause no one picks up the
washing you know that needsdoing.
There's no one making meals,and then I started to forget
things like we'd haveappointment, dentist
appointments booked or something, and I'd miss them and I'd have
a call saying you had anappointment at 9 am this morning
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.
You know things that I justlike, I just like I completely
forgot about that appointment,or birthdays.
I remember forgetting people'sbirthdays, like families, just
because you were so busy, justso busy, and then you think it's
such a fleeting time, it goesso quick, so I don't actually
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want to spend all of my daysaway from my kids when I know,
like my son is 13, I'm alreadystressing every day that he's
going to be moving out soon andhe probably won't go till he's
25 or something.
It just goes so quick.
Stephanie Theriault (38:42):
You and I connected through Instagram with
a post that you put up talkingabout how society doesn't give
enough emphasis to the womanbehind the scenes when a married
man is successful in thebusiness.
Would you be open to talkingabout why you chose to put up
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that post and what the feedbackwas after the post was made?
Jade Lomax (39:09):
Yeah, sure, so I um.
So in my business I have thismentor and he he was saying your
personal story is what makesyou different to everyone else.
People want to hear your story.
And what is your story?
And for months and months I hadjust been like what is my story
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?
Why am I a stay-at-home mom?
All the things I kept coming upwith just felt boring, and so I
was going over and over it formonths and then I saw someone
else said something similar onInstagram about how men are
praised for whatever and no oneever asks about the woman,
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whatever the post was.
And then I was like yeah, thatis so true.
Because I was like that is mystory, Because I had that
growing up.
I grew up in a family where themen have been praised for
everything that they have doneand the women have just had to
go along with what was best forthe males.
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I didn't notice that until wemoved away from living close to
both of our families and Istarted to see how much the men
were valued and the womenweren't.
Then my husband also grew up ina family the same.
In the start of ourrelationship he would make a lot
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of the decisions and neverconsult me, and not because he
thought I shouldn't have anopinion, but because he'd never
seen it in his family.
So he'd grown up seeing the menin his family make all the
decisions and the wife having nochoice.
Like once he bought me a car,which just sounds like people's.
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When I told this story in thebeginning like when it was
happening, this was probably 10years ago I remember people just
looking at me like I was crazybecause they were like bought
you a car, why aren't you happy?
But he we needed a new carbecause we were having our
second son and we needed abigger car, and so he wanted to
buy a station wagon because itwould fit a lot of wine in the
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back.
It made sense, it was practical, blah, blah, blah.
And I said I don't like stationwagons, I don't really want a
station wagon.
And there was kind of never adiscussion about it because I
don't think he had ever seenanyone having a discussion
growing up.
So it was just sort of he justkept looking for this particular
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car that he wanted and I justkept saying I don't really like
those cars, I don't want todrive that car, I'd prefer to
choose something that I like andhe ended up going to look at
this car with his dad, whichkind of made it even worse
because his dad just has norespect for women, and so it
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kind of made it worse that thetwo of them went together and he
ended up buying it and thenbringing it home so a car that I
had never seen, I never testdrove it, I never said I wanted
that car, I had voiced that Ididn't want that car, and he
went and just bought the caranyway and traded in my other
cars you know like.
And we then had to work on a lotof that through our marriage,
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where I was like I don't want tobe in a relationship where my
husband makes the choices for me, and he was kind of like, yeah,
right, it had never crossed hismind that I should have an
opinion or that I would want anopinion, so anyway.
Then when I started lookingback, I was like, yeah, that is
my story where, like all throughmy life, I have been silenced
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because the men in my life aremore important, and anyway.
So then I I created this postand as I was writing it, I was
like feeling like, yeah, this is, this is what has happened all
through my life, Cause I feltlike I'd finally landed on the
piece that my mentor had beensaying for months, like what is
your story?
What is your story?
And it said.
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The post said my husband ispraised for all the awards he
wins because he does win a lotof awards with his winemaking
and no one ever asks what I gaveup my career.
And no one ever asks what Igave up my career, my super fund
, life for my kids, my identity.
No one ever asks what thefemale gives up in order for the
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male to win these awards, Allthe months I've spent alone with
my kids whilst he's working.
And yet the post went viral.
There was like 4 million viewswithin 24 hours or something,
and there's like 25,000 likesand I couldn't even keep up with
the messages in my inbox or thecomments on the post.
(44:00):
But then there's so many womenthat were saying my gosh, yes,
this is my life and thank youfor saying that.
And women messaging me sayingJade, I am living in a third
world country for my husband'scareer.
Right now, I'm raising two kidson my own in a country I don't
speak the language.
And yeah, just so many storiesbut then so much hate from men.
(44:22):
I got so much people telling methat I should drive into a tree
.
Next time you get in your car,make sure you drive into a tree
so we don't have to listen toyou again.
People finding my husband onInstagram and sending him
personal messages.
People saying do you need adivorce lawyer?
I hope your husband leaves youfor someone younger and hotter.
(44:43):
And like it was so intense.
Like people calling me theworst like I don't swear very
often, but like words that Iwould never even use.
It was so bad.
People saying you aredisgusting.
You should not be near any male.
Yeah, it was.
It was pretty intense.
And so I ended up deleting thepost because it was causing me
so much anxiety and also becauseit's a business page.
(45:06):
I was losing all theseconversations that I could have
been having with women that Icould support because I just
couldn't find them in all theamongst all these messages.
And then also people abusingeach other on the post.
Yeah, it was really.
It was really intense, and Ijust felt the message got so
(45:27):
misconstrued, like I what peoplewere saying.
I bet your husband doesn't evenknow you've posted this and I I
wasn't even replying because Ithought it takes me 30 seconds
to a minute, two minutes,however long it takes to reply,
and if I added up that overthousands of messages that I had
, that is time that I would havepreferred to walk along the
(45:50):
beach with my kids, spend timehaving a coffee with my husband,
Like there are so many moreimportant things in my life than
replying to messages from thesepeople who don't know me and
who just misconstrued what I wastrying to say.
Yeah, it was intense, it wasvery intense, but at the same
(46:12):
time, I'm like there's obviouslywomen out there who feel the
same as me, who they're the onesthat I want to support and help
and get the message through tothat it doesn't have to look
like that and also, yourrelationship doesn't have to end
up in divorce.
I could have gone down thatpath for sure with my husband if
(46:32):
he had not realized that myopinion was valuable and that my
dream should be considered aswell.
But thank goodness he was openenough to just be like yeah,
right, we didn't know you neededto have a voice in our marriage
.
It was baffling to me, but yeah, and I just want other people
(46:54):
to realize that as well.
I think that it doesn't allhave to end in divorce.
It's not like attacking.
We don't all have to attackeach other.
Yeah, so that post.
Stephanie Theriault (47:06):
I want to ask you on your Instagram page
you have out then I'll look forsomething for myself.
Jade Lomax (47:30):
And even for their marriage as well.
I don't want couples to bewaiting until they're 60, 65, 70
to think that is when we'remeant to spend time together.
Yeah, I just want families tobe brought back together now and
I want parents to spend timewith their kids now, whilst
(47:51):
they're young, and I wanthusbands and wives to enjoy
their marriages now and notthink it's all meant to be at a
later date.
And also, last year I had aclose friend of mine die and her
husband is just now left withthree babies.
(48:12):
It just makes me so sad that,like that could happen to any of
us and that could happen to myfamily, and I just want to spend
as much time with my husbandand kids as I can because we
just you don't know, you don'tknow when these things will
(48:53):
happen, so I don't want peopleto wait to start living.
Stephanie Theriault (48:59):
Your message resonates across the
globe.
Listening to your story,listening to how women have
reached out to you, not eventhinking about the negative, you
did hit a nerve, but it'sbecause you're speaking the
truth.
It's fascinating to me that youare able to speak a truth and
(49:21):
have it resonate with women allacross the globe, because there
is interconnectedness in being awoman and being a mother, and
so many times the focus is onwhat separates us and how we're
different.
And when it comes down to it,what you speak of motherhood,
marriage, being a wife, careers,decisions we have to make life
(49:45):
and death it's all connected.
It's really beautiful whatyou're doing, and I think that's
why so many people resonatewith your message.
Jade Lomax (49:53):
Thank you, but yeah, it is just so amazing All the
messages I get, like you say,from all around the world and
we're all just the same, doingthe same thing and wanting the
same thing.
Yeah, and that's the amazingthing about social media now we
can connect with like-mindedpeople from anywhere.
(50:14):
Amazing what the internet hasopened up, actually.
Stephanie Theriault (50:19):
Jade, it has been such a pleasure
chatting with you today.
I want to thank you for beingopen and vulnerable and sharing
your story with us.
I really appreciate you takingthe time out of your busy
schedule.
I know you're with your threesons and your work and
motherhood and life, so I reallydo appreciate you taking the
time and trusting me to sit downand have a conversation.
Jade Lomax (50:42):
Yeah, thank you, stephanie.
Thank you for asking me.
Thank you so much for reachingout and inviting me on.
It's been great to talk to you,it's been a pleasure.
Thank you.
Stephanie Theriault (51:03):
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I truly believe creating thisspace for women all across the
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be Motherhood, womanhood andhowever that looks and feels for
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Every contribution, big orsmall, will make a huge
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