July 12, 2025 • 32 mins
Welcome to Matters of the Heart, where we help couples grow stronger in faith and closer to each other. I’m Patrick Tate alongside my Queen, Eleanor, and we are so glad you’re here. Whether you’ve been married six months or sixty years, this is a space for hope, growth, and encouragement.
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Patrick (00:01):
What's going on? Here we are again. We're talking
about marriage things. Marriagetalk today and we're so
grateful. We're thankful.
Honestly, to be able to tominister together, my wife and I
is always been a pleasure forboth of us and we wanted to be
able to share. You know howpeople get on sometimes and want
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to share the goodness on whatthey're doing. That's our
desire. We we we just happy golucky couple. We really are.
If you know us, we have friendsthat understand that we are
committed to the word and we'recommitted to our marriage
through the word. So, we want topray for couples today. We want
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to pray for marriage, marriedcouples today. Newly weds, newly
wedded, engaged to be married,the those that are in marriages,
also though, the ones who arehave been heavily invested in
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marriage. You see how I put thatall together?
And the one thing that I wantedto start with because there's a
foundation. When we talk about,you know, marriage and marriage
understand as a couple and ifyou if you've done this, there's
there's no reason to understandthat not to be undone. However,
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you can do it right. We want todo it right. Can we, Imma be
transparent to tell you thatthis is not our first marriage.
It's this is both, this is oursecond. So, we didn't get it
right and the reason we didn'tget it right is because we
didn't do it biblically. That'sno attest to the ones that we
were married to. I'm not sayinganything negative. It's just
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that when you know that this isa godly marriage is a godly
marriage is when you don't justwork it out or you don't just
appease one another.
Right. You you really transforminto a godly person for your
mate. So, as we get thisstarted, we want to have it as a
as a clean-cut conversation,communication, calling it
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marriage talk. It's somethingthat's very something that's
very important to you. You willnot not work on.
Don't don't look at it as a as ajob but it's a collaboration. It
is truly a collaboration. So, Iwant to read because there's
times when I want to readscripture. And then I say to
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myself, I let my flesh get inthe way and say, man, they
already know that.
Eleanor (02:41):
Right.
Patrick (02:42):
They they should already know I don't think that
was going work, sweetie. We haveone. But I think sometimes we
misunderstand what the word hassaid and what it what it means
to be a godly couple.
Eleanor (03:04):
Right.
Patrick (03:04):
So, I want to read the scripture. I want to start with
the creation if you will of ofman and woman. I want to start
there because the here's here'sthe creation of family. Right.
So, I want to read it because ithelps me.
Eleanor (03:21):
God's family.
Patrick (03:22):
God's family. Yeah. I want to read it because it not
only is for married godlycouple, it helps us to to
understand and go back. There'stimes that we need to really go
back to where that that theoriginating originator
originated it.
Eleanor (03:42):
That's a mouthful.
Patrick (03:44):
Yeah. So, let's let's be let's be real with it. So,
know, Imma read. I I may notread it all but I want to
emphasize Genesis chapter twoand Imma start at verse one and
then, I want to highlight wherethe married couple comes into
play and this is very powerful.This is where we're to start.
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It starts thus the heavens andthe earth were finished and all
of the host of them and on theseventh day, finished it. God
finished his work that he haddone and he rested on the
seventh day from all his workthat he had done. So, god
blessed the seventh day and madeit holy. He made that day holy,
that restful day holy, right?Right.
Today, Sunday or whatever youwant to call it because on it,
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god rested from all his workthat he had done in creation.
Verse four says, these are thegenerations of the heavens and
the earth when they werecreated. In the day that the
lord god made the earth andheavens, verse five says, when
no bush of the field was yet inthe land and no small plant of
the field had yet sprung up. Forthe lord god had not caused it
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to rain on the land and therewas no man to work the land,
work the ground, and a mist wasgoing up from the land and was
watering the whole face of theground. Then, the lord god
formed the man of from dust,dust from the ground, and
breathe into his nostrils, thebreath of life.
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And the and the man became aliving creature. And the Lord
God planted the garden in Edenin the East and there he put the
man whom he formed. If younotice, god is performing this.
God is doing it, right? So, thisis the beginning on how god
created man for woman and andand if we, I want to touch on,
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we'll touch on homosexuality andthings of that nature in another
case because we're not talkingabout just marrying two people.
And that's that's a ministrywithin itself and we'll deal
with it. Verse nine says, out ofthe ground, the lord god made to
spring up every tree that ispleasant to the sight and good
for food. I always wasfascinated to understand that
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natural when when people beginto start going natural and and
and growing from the ground, howhealthier they are, right? Verse
and and then it says, the treeof life was in the midst of the
garden and a tree of knowledgeof good and evil. Verse 10 says,
a river flowed out of Eden in tothe water of the garden and
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there divided became fourrivers.
I won't go through the fourrivers. I wanna jump to verse
15. Want you to read it. I wantus to read it. I want people to
be informed on what a godlymarriage looks like, what it
feels like, what it what godsaid it is.
Right. Because when we talkabout marriage talk and we can
we can trip and have fun andgreat in which we do. We have a
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great time with one another.However, there's a foundation on
this thing. Right.
And when it gets tricky, when itgets where we feel like we can't
do this anymore. If it's a godlymarriage, you go back to the
foundation of it. Verse 15 says,the lord god took the man and
put him in the Garden Of Eden towork it and keep it and the lord
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god commanded the man saying,you may surely eat of every tree
of the garden but of the tree ofknowledge of good and evil, you
shall not eat. For the day thatyou eat of it, sure shall surely
die. Verse 18 said, then thelord god said, it is not good
for the man, for the man shouldbe alone.
Let me say this again. It is notgood that the man should be
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alone. I will make him a helper.I want to first go back so we
can understand the scripturesthat I've already read. You
understand that there's not onewithout the other but there's an
order that god created, right?
God created order. Within whatyou should see me and heard me
read, there's an order in that.One didn't come before the
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other. It's it's it's the oldsaying, the horse don't come
before the cart. Right.
If you put the cart first, thehorse is gonna be behind and and
and pulling the horses. How thatlook? That that just don't
really make sense. It's justit's just gravity if you will,
right? I mean, if you jump up,you're going come down.
If you get up and you thinkyou're Superman and you're on
that molly and you start flying,you think I'm flying. You can
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guarantee it somewhere.
Eleanor (08:06):
You're coming down. You coming down and you going to hit
something that don't move.That's
Patrick (08:09):
right. So. That's right. The real deal part of it,
god created order.
So, I want you to understandthis order. I think we read
through the creation of theEarth, heaven and the Earth and
just read it for history if youwill. I read it and I've been
giving it to, it been given tome through the Holy Spirit.
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Order. If if let let me put itin human terms and purpose.
Order and purpose. Order andpurpose. If one didn't come
before the other, it don't work.
Eleanor (08:41):
Right.
Patrick (08:41):
Can I say that? Right. When when we look at something
and say, well, we can do this.Well, if this before, if you
build the foundation of a houseand you start with the roof
first with no foundation, thatroof, even though you got a roof
over your head.
Eleanor (08:56):
What's holding it up?
Patrick (08:57):
What's holding the foundation? So, can I say that
god had a foundation in how hebuilt it out? So, that's very
important to show when we getinto this marriage thing that
we're talking about so you canunderstand it because god gave
it to me plainly years ago andthat's why I prayed for the
woman of god. I prayed. I askedher.
I said, lord, when I prayed whenwhen I got out of my first
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marriage and and that it didn'twork because it wasn't a godly
marriage. The one thing Iprayed, I said, lord, I don't
want her to be cray cray. Idon't want a woman that is a
misfit to you. Right. I wantedsomeone that love you first and
that can make me a prioritythrough you.
Right. Does that make sense,women? Right. You want, you want
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a man that represents god nomatter what. Even in his
weakness, even in his weakness,you know that brother, that man
is a is a god to do, right?
So, let me get to verse, then,going skip over. Imma get to
verse 23 and then we're toreally get into just having a
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great time about marriages,right? Right. Verse 23 said,
then the man said, no, I'msorry. Let me go back because
that's the filter that I Imissed.
Verse number 20. Imma start withthat. It said, the man gave
names to all livestock and thebirds of the heavens and to
every beast of the field but forAdam, there was not found a
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helper fit for him. Right. Thatword fit.
Fit for him. I want you to hearthat. That's so that, man, we
miss some things like that.
Eleanor (10:37):
We do.
Patrick (10:37):
We just married because we like one another. We've we've
done some things that made usfeel close. Please believe me.
There has to be passion behindit. Some people think, well, it
it's just a transaction.
We just watched a movie that wasvery powerful. It it dealt with
transaction. You you you'remarried for transaction because
it look good. However, it's notgod's fit for you.
Eleanor (10:59):
Or just because you had sex and and you know you
shouldn't have. So, we gottamake it right and we should get
married because you think that'swhat god's plan is.
Patrick (11:10):
That's the that's the cart before the heart.
Eleanor (11:11):
Y'all might not be fit, right?
Patrick (11:13):
That's the cart before the heart.
Eleanor (11:14):
That's the cart before the heart.
Patrick (11:15):
You you got, you put emotions in it.
Eleanor (11:16):
Put emotions in it and and you're not hearing the voice
of god because now you'vestepped outside of god's will.
You stepped outside of god'sorder and you put the cart
before the horse and nojudgement here. I mean, we're
just saying, make sure that whenyou're making a decision that
you're hearing god's voice.Right. Even outside of even in
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the midst of you you've donesomething that you know you
weren't supposed to do.
Right. God is a forgiving godand and and we don't sit in
judgement. We we know that allhave sinned and come short of
the glory of god but don'tallow, don't let anybody force
you into something because youthink it's a good idea. Is it is
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it god's plan? That's what weneed to be.
Patrick (12:06):
So, verse 21, I want to wrap this up so we can get into
our conversation that we'regoing to have today. Verse 21
says, so the lord god called adeep sleep to fall upon the man
and while he slept, took one ofhis ribs and closed up his place
with flesh. Verse 22 says, andthe rib that the lord god had
taken from the man he made intoa woman and brought her to the
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man. I wanna stop there. There'sa lot more, but what we're gonna
start with what I want you tounderstand there's order but
understand who was.
You know how we have women whenwe do get married, whether you
have a father, a brother, orwhoever that walks you down the
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aisle, right? Whoever that maybe, it's a it's a powerful way
of saying number one, I trust asthe man. I trust you with this
woman. I believe in you and Iwant you to understand in
essence, the way I look at itis, she looks at me. She now
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should look at you as she lookedat me.
Right. So, listen to this man.In marriages and if we've gotten
it wrong, let's go back. Let'slook at what truly god did to
create marriage. I want you tolook at verse 22.
It says, and the real that thelord god had taken from the man
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he made into a to a into awoman. This is the verse and
brought her to the man. Look whowalked Eve down the aisle. God
himself. Let's talk about thatthing.
Amen. Let's talk about thatthing. You better heard me when
you hear me.
Eleanor (13:59):
Amen.
Patrick (14:00):
God walked Eve down the aisle. God told Adam, this woman
is fit for you. Right. There yougo. Right.
So, can we just really startwith that and and stop
pretending that we have perfectmarriages. Right. There's no
perfect marriage. However, thereis a perfect fit from god
because the one thing that welike to ask a lot is, why is
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this not working? You know, themovie that Tyler put out?
Why did we get married? Why didyou get married? That question
can be answered solely byindividuals who's working
together under one fit. God'sfit. And if we keep asking
ourselves that the one thingthat people will miss out on is
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did god bless it?
Eleanor (14:47):
That's right.
Patrick (14:48):
God.
Eleanor (14:49):
Did god.
Patrick (14:49):
Will not.
Eleanor (14:50):
Did he put it together?
Patrick (14:51):
Did he ordain it?
Eleanor (14:51):
That's right.
Patrick (14:52):
Right. Did he bring the woman to you? And did he bring
the woman to the right the theright fit for we know we if if
you sold out, you know.
Eleanor (15:04):
And he and he did not Here's what I'm hearing in my
spirit, men. When god broughtAdam and brought Eve to Adam,
Adam did not say, oh, she fine.Oh, I like her curves. Oh, I
like her hips. Oh, I like herlips.
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Oh, I like her outwardappearance. He knew spirit to
spirit. That's who I'm supposedto marry. And we here in the
world where you you need to beattracted to the person. I mean,
if I don't find them attractiveon the outside, I'm not going to
even look at them.
But when god brought Eve toAdam, he didn't say, oh, she
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fine. No, I don't want herbecause she don't look, she's
not my type. Right. It's aspiritual thing and if you're
not connected spiritually, itdoesn't matter what anybody else
thinks about how fine she is,about her outward appearance,
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about you know, you bringingthis girl and she she looks this
kind of way and yeah, that's mymy trophy wife, that's my trophy
girlfriend and you know, she sheis always made up. She's always
got a hair done, always got anails done, always got this and
that and the other.
Looking attractive and and don'tget me wrong. There's nothing
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wrong with looking attractive.There's nothing wrong with
making yourself you you feelinggood about yourself. So, you you
do comb your hair. You don'twant to go outside looking, you
know, with manny hair or youknow, teeth not brushed, you're
not bathing anything like that.
Practicing good hygiene is goodbut how many of you know in The
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United States, that's somethingthat's important. Some other
countries that might beimportant but if you go to a lot
of maybe third world countries,they could care less about a
woman's fake fingernails, fakeeyelashes, makeup, fake hair,
fake booty now. You know, theygetting these what what they
getting these butt lifts. I
Patrick (17:13):
don't even know
Eleanor (17:13):
what they call em now.
Patrick (17:14):
The injections.
Eleanor (17:16):
Injections and implants that or pants that make you your
your bottom voluptuous or andmaking your breasts voluptuous.
The, what's in here? Becausewhen you take all that off and
you wash all that off, what's inhere? Is god saying, this is the
person that I should be marriedto and not concerned about what
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my boys think, what my what mymy father thinks or what anybody
else think because people thatknow you by the spirit, they
will know when you're connectedby the spirit and they will know
when you're connected to theflesh.
Patrick (17:54):
Right.
Eleanor (17:55):
Right. So, be mindful, man. He did not say, oh, she
fine and the first thing I said,I want to talk to her because
she fine.
Patrick (18:01):
Right.
Eleanor (18:01):
Now, I need to, I need to see what's going on
spiritually with this person anddo I need to approach this
person because if I'm justlooking at the outward
appearance like he said, youdon't want anybody cray cray.
Women, we don't want anybodycray cray either. I don't want
any and everything coming uptalking to me just because you
look good on the outside but youyou nutty. You can have a lot of
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money and still be nutty and I'mlike, you wasting my time and
I'm wasting your. Holy Spirit,show me that person by the
spirit.
Patrick (18:33):
Right.
Eleanor (18:33):
Do I need to approach that person? If not, I'm gonna
keep it moving. I don't care howfine
Patrick (18:37):
it is. So, how, you know, what we do now? You know,
we're in the marriage. What whatdo we do? And and I believe that
once we get into marriage, whatwe forget to do and and some of
us may have stopped doing iteven beforehand.
Now, we've committed. We justgoing down that road and we can
talk about not bringing god intoyour your your marriage instead
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of you know, you invited intothe wedding and we talk about
that. We have wedding. We we'vetalked to to some some folk we,
you know, and and the one thingI always say, invite god into
the marriage not just thewedding. However, now you're in
it.
You you could've, I believe mymy opinion is that it broke down
even before you said that I do.Now, Imma tell you the reason
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why because we believe we sign acontract and we don't ever enter
into what we believe in ourbrain, in our mind, a covenant.
Eleanor (19:28):
Right.
Patrick (19:29):
It it is different. It it is a cup. It when you know
that you're in a coveredrelationship, you know that
thing can't be broken. We wentto a ministry some years ago and
it was a ministry that had, youknow, had some people coming and
it was I don't lost in his namenow but he's a singer.
Eleanor (19:53):
Oh, Montel Jordan.
Patrick (19:55):
Montel Jordan and his wife. So, Montel Jordan, his
wife, and a lot of people mightnot have known that Montel and
his wife were married when hewas he was out there chart
topping with with his singing.He just said that, you know, for
the image that go that flesh,that image but he never let it
go but here's the thing, thatimage needed to show that he was
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a single dude.
Eleanor (20:17):
Right. The record industry.
Patrick (20:19):
Right. The record industry had to make him a six
foot eight, six, and how tall itwas, a single man because the
women, they wouldn't be able tosell him if they knew he was
taken. Right. But what he saidand what they said was very
powerful. They had a a table outon the on the when they first
came out.
Right. So, when they came out onthe stage, they had a table. I
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think they had two swords or onesword. They had something on the
table. I believe it was twoswords.
Uh-huh. And they had they hadyeah, it was two swords. One of
em said, marriage. One of emsaid, divorce. And what they,
this, this was the image that wesaw which was powerful.
They took the sword that haddivorce and took it off the
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table.
Eleanor (21:06):
Right.
Patrick (21:07):
They said, we ain't even talk, that ain't even gonna
be in the conversation. We wegetting this thing. We in it for
life but when when we say that,we should commit to covenant not
contract. Right. Because when wecommit the covenant, what we're
saying is, no matter what, we'regoing back to the very thing
that put us together when weknow it was a fit from god.
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Right. The one of the prophetsin the Bible, we talk, I talked
about this a lot and it blessesme and it comes up with this a
lot. So, he talked aboutbuilding there was a they were
building buildings for theprofit school. Let me just put
it that way. They build profitand build a profit school.
They got big in and banging andhitting with hammer and all that
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and one of the prophets lost thehammers, the hammer and sickle
if you will. Lost the the thestrength part of it and and the
prophet came to and the majorprophet came to him basically
asked him.
Eleanor (22:00):
The axe
Patrick (22:01):
head. The axe head. He said, where, you know,
basically, where is it? He said,well, I lost it and it's
borrowed. It's not mine.
He said, well, basically, let'sgo find it because you've lost
your strength.
Eleanor (22:11):
Yeah.
Patrick (22:12):
So, in in essence, the holy spirit showed me that one
time and basically was sharingwith me is, listen, where did
you lose your strength? Men, Iwould ask you, where did you
lose that love for that womanthat you would protect with your
life? And I would say, go backto that and ask the lord to
strengthen you on that. That'snot backtracking. That's just
saying you've lost your yourlove for the one that you know
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god gave.
So, in essence, what do you dowhen them days come? You have a
you have a a spat or thequestion that you have for one
another and you know, the thethe very thing that I believe
takes marriages by I I I guess Isay by surprise. Is we get
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entangled with conversating withanother individual and begin to
start talking about your issuesand problems within your
marriage. When you should betalking about and communicating
that to the person that you'refrustrated with.
Eleanor (23:16):
Yeah. A lot of times and I'm going to add to that. A
lot of times, people are lookingfor help. I I was in a situation
where I couldn't talk to thatperson because they just refused
to listen. They were neverwrong.
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It was always me. They refusedto make any adjustments or any
changes. So, I got tired oftalking and I went to the pastor
of the church that we wereattending and I talked some a
minister in the church. I justneeded assistance. I prayed and
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talked to the lord and and thelord revealed some things to me
and when he revealed to me washe already told me no, not to
not to even even into thatrelationship and I did.
So, sometimes, what what pastoris saying is, do not run to
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somebody just because andcomplain about your marriage
just because. If you are led bythe spirit of lord to speak to
someone, make sure that you'regoing for counseling. Make sure
that you're going to get thewisdom of god and you're not
just going talking andcomplaining because that's not
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going to help. That's not.
Patrick (24:46):
What does
Eleanor (24:46):
that change?
Patrick (24:47):
But does that, I mean, does it show that that that's
not a godly marriage whenbecause you you mentioned you
dealing with someone that thatwon't talk. What what does what
do you do when the theconversation, the communication
is just.
Eleanor (25:07):
Has just ceased. Well, in my situation, I just shut
completely down from thatperson. I I I grew weary and I
got tired of talking. I gottired of trying to share my
point of view, trying to sharewhat does and when I say my
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point of view, what I sense thelord saying, changes that needed
to take place in order for thismarriage to continue.
Patrick (25:35):
So, where do where do you go from? So, now, we gotta
deal with.
Eleanor (25:38):
Where do you go from there?
Patrick (25:39):
Right, because we know, we know of and and we've been
around. I mean, we we we are aseasoned couple. Man, what what
do you do when you just stuck ina relationship especially a
marriage and it's supposed to befor life. It I I believe now is
transferred over the contractnow. Even if you feel like
you're in a covenant.
Right. That because one personis shut down.
Eleanor (26:01):
One person has has gotten to the point where they
just they just give up and youhave to have such a relationship
with god that you have to knowwhat to do. I I I wouldn't
advise anyone to just walk awayjust to walk away. You have to
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know because even if you havepeople who are not equally yoked
when they get married. God canstill move on the behalf of both
parties. If both parties arewilling to allow the spirit of
the lord to minister to them, tocounsel them, to tell them, hey,
you need to make an adjustmentin this area.
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You need to make an adjustmentin that area.
Patrick (26:49):
I'm a little bit more radical with it. Don't mean to
cut you off right. We we I wantto give I really want to give
substance behind when we'retalking to because this is how
we we we communicate withmarried couples. This is how we
communicate with individual thatmaybe in in a a tough situation
and what do you do? We do wannago back to the scriptures but we
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have to be real with twentyfirst century but I I wanna
always couple it.
We gonna always, number one isgonna be scripturally based. I
would say this and we're we'regoing to wind this down because
we want to be very prudent withwith with your time and our
time. Thirty minutes at a spotat times as god moves us not to
be perfect. If god moves us toan hour, whatever the case may
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be but I would I would I would Iwould challenge you with this.
What do you do?
Number one, challenge yourselfon your walk. First of all, you
know, praying is great. You'resupposed to pray but at the end
of the day, when one don't wantto one shut down, the other
going shut down. Now, you gottwo shut down people. Yes, you
need to go back to yourfoundation of your wall.
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That's why we're talking aboutthis marriage talk which is
based off the scriptures now.Now, if you're in the world,
that thing ain't going to workanyway. I I I know that's going
to they're going to shake somefolk. It ain't going work. It
just ain't going work becauseyou're going to challenge
yourself to listen to everybodyelse in the world.
Paul did some things, excuse me,Peter was doing some things and
Jesus, Jesus would challengehim. Imma tell you how Jesus
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challenged him. We remember whenJesus basically told Peter on
this rock, I build my churchwhere the gates of hell cannot
prevail. He wouldn't call himPeter the rock even though in
Hebrew, Peter's name means thethe the rock if you will. He was
he was really challenging Peterto step up.
You're the first. You're goingto be the leader if you will.
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However, if you follow theconversation that they had, you
will find out that Jesus wouldchallenge Peter when he was out
of bounds. He would call himSimon sometimes.
Eleanor (28:52):
He would.
Patrick (28:53):
He would call him Simon Peter sometime.
Eleanor (28:55):
He would.
Patrick (28:56):
So, at that point and even apostles, I know there's a
story that we're watching. Thechosen with them that's out
right now and some of theapostles and I believe that
happened in that thing when theycome when they heard him call
him Simon, the apostle like, whyis Jesus calling him Simon now?
Right. That's challenging So,this is what I want to leave you
with. Challenge the thescriptures When you challenge
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the scriptures, the scripturesgoing to challenge you back with
truth.
What Jesus was trying to sharewith Peter is, you're out of
bound. Without telling him, he'sout of bound. He would say,
Simon and Peter then would goback to challenge. Why? In
essence, why did he change myname in the first place?
Right. So, with that, I wannawrap this this little
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conversation, Marriage Talk toUp and understand that I won't
always be the dumb at one time.We gonna have, we gonna
challenge. We want we want yourfeedback. I would I would
challenge you as a couple to sitdown every night and communicate
and talk.
I wanna challenge you to hit usup on Email and hit us up at
Ignivia Inc.
Eleanor (29:59):
Full of grace.
Patrick (29:59):
Excuse me. I I said that wrong because I got we got
a couple of em. Full of graceSC. WC. WC.
That's why we're married. Seethat right there? Full of Grace
WC@Gmail dot com. I want you tochallenge your marriage. Write
down some questions that you maywant to hear challenged by the
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word, not by Patrick andEleanor.
I want you to truly challengeyour marriage by the scriptures.
Eleanor (30:30):
Right.
Patrick (30:31):
And when you do that, we want to be a part of your
walk. So, contact us throughFull of Grace WC@Gmail. Com. I
want you to click on challengeyourself to come on and and have
a a faithful conversation incollaboration with Patrick and
Eleanor because we're not goingto walk this perfectly. However,
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in this world right now, we needto walk it collaboratively.
We need marriages that are aChrist centered. So, other
couples, young couples who areafraid to get married right now,
don't want to bring children tothis crazy world but understand
that god sent his son in themost craziest part of the world.
Right. At the most craziesttime. So, we want to love on
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you.
We want you to, you know,contact us, stay in
communication with us, writethem questions down, and and and
let's communicate about it andchallenge it by the word.
Eleanor (31:22):
And I want to end with this. Go back to what I was
saying. Don't be afraid to obeygod. And the outcome that you
want may not be the outcomethat's needed. Obey god and
don't be concerned about thewhat ifs because if god is
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telling you to do a thing, do athing.
He knows the end from thebeginning. Don't be afraid to
obey god and don't pray what youwant. Pray the lord's will
because god's will is greaterthan anything we want, anything
we desire. We get our flesh. Weget our emotions in the way.
Obey god.
Patrick (32:03):
God bless you. We'll see you next time.
What's going on? Here we are again. We're talking
about marriage things. Marriagetalk today and we're so
grateful. We're thankful.
Honestly, to be able to tominister together, my wife and I
is always been a pleasure forboth of us and we wanted to be
able to share. You know howpeople get on sometimes and want
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to share the goodness on whatthey're doing. That's our
desire. We we we just happy golucky couple. We really are.
If you know us, we have friendsthat understand that we are
committed to the word and we'recommitted to our marriage
through the word. So, we want topray for couples today. We want
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to pray for marriage, marriedcouples today. Newly weds, newly
wedded, engaged to be married,the those that are in marriages,
also though, the ones who arehave been heavily invested in
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marriage. You see how I put thatall together?
And the one thing that I wantedto start with because there's a
foundation. When we talk about,you know, marriage and marriage
understand as a couple and ifyou if you've done this, there's
there's no reason to understandthat not to be undone. However,
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you can do it right. We want todo it right. Can we, Imma be
transparent to tell you thatthis is not our first marriage.
It's this is both, this is oursecond. So, we didn't get it
right and the reason we didn'tget it right is because we
didn't do it biblically. That'sno attest to the ones that we
were married to. I'm not sayinganything negative. It's just
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that when you know that this isa godly marriage is a godly
marriage is when you don't justwork it out or you don't just
appease one another.
Right. You you really transforminto a godly person for your
mate. So, as we get thisstarted, we want to have it as a
as a clean-cut conversation,communication, calling it
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marriage talk. It's somethingthat's very something that's
very important to you. You willnot not work on.
Don't don't look at it as a as ajob but it's a collaboration. It
is truly a collaboration. So, Iwant to read because there's
times when I want to readscripture. And then I say to
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myself, I let my flesh get inthe way and say, man, they
already know that.
Eleanor (02:41):
Right.
Patrick (02:42):
They they should already know I don't think that
was going work, sweetie. We haveone. But I think sometimes we
misunderstand what the word hassaid and what it what it means
to be a godly couple.
Eleanor (03:04):
Right.
Patrick (03:04):
So, I want to read the scripture. I want to start with
the creation if you will of ofman and woman. I want to start
there because the here's here'sthe creation of family. Right.
So, I want to read it because ithelps me.
Eleanor (03:21):
God's family.
Patrick (03:22):
God's family. Yeah. I want to read it because it not
only is for married godlycouple, it helps us to to
understand and go back. There'stimes that we need to really go
back to where that that theoriginating originator
originated it.
Eleanor (03:42):
That's a mouthful.
Patrick (03:44):
Yeah. So, let's let's be let's be real with it. So,
know, Imma read. I I may notread it all but I want to
emphasize Genesis chapter twoand Imma start at verse one and
then, I want to highlight wherethe married couple comes into
play and this is very powerful.This is where we're to start.
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It starts thus the heavens andthe earth were finished and all
of the host of them and on theseventh day, finished it. God
finished his work that he haddone and he rested on the
seventh day from all his workthat he had done. So, god
blessed the seventh day and madeit holy. He made that day holy,
that restful day holy, right?Right.
Today, Sunday or whatever youwant to call it because on it,
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god rested from all his workthat he had done in creation.
Verse four says, these are thegenerations of the heavens and
the earth when they werecreated. In the day that the
lord god made the earth andheavens, verse five says, when
no bush of the field was yet inthe land and no small plant of
the field had yet sprung up. Forthe lord god had not caused it
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to rain on the land and therewas no man to work the land,
work the ground, and a mist wasgoing up from the land and was
watering the whole face of theground. Then, the lord god
formed the man of from dust,dust from the ground, and
breathe into his nostrils, thebreath of life.
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And the and the man became aliving creature. And the Lord
God planted the garden in Edenin the East and there he put the
man whom he formed. If younotice, god is performing this.
God is doing it, right? So, thisis the beginning on how god
created man for woman and andand if we, I want to touch on,
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we'll touch on homosexuality andthings of that nature in another
case because we're not talkingabout just marrying two people.
And that's that's a ministrywithin itself and we'll deal
with it. Verse nine says, out ofthe ground, the lord god made to
spring up every tree that ispleasant to the sight and good
for food. I always wasfascinated to understand that
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natural when when people beginto start going natural and and
and growing from the ground, howhealthier they are, right? Verse
and and then it says, the treeof life was in the midst of the
garden and a tree of knowledgeof good and evil. Verse 10 says,
a river flowed out of Eden in tothe water of the garden and
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there divided became fourrivers.
I won't go through the fourrivers. I wanna jump to verse
15. Want you to read it. I wantus to read it. I want people to
be informed on what a godlymarriage looks like, what it
feels like, what it what godsaid it is.
Right. Because when we talkabout marriage talk and we can
we can trip and have fun andgreat in which we do. We have a
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great time with one another.However, there's a foundation on
this thing. Right.
And when it gets tricky, when itgets where we feel like we can't
do this anymore. If it's a godlymarriage, you go back to the
foundation of it. Verse 15 says,the lord god took the man and
put him in the Garden Of Eden towork it and keep it and the lord
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god commanded the man saying,you may surely eat of every tree
of the garden but of the tree ofknowledge of good and evil, you
shall not eat. For the day thatyou eat of it, sure shall surely
die. Verse 18 said, then thelord god said, it is not good
for the man, for the man shouldbe alone.
Let me say this again. It is notgood that the man should be
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alone. I will make him a helper.I want to first go back so we
can understand the scripturesthat I've already read. You
understand that there's not onewithout the other but there's an
order that god created, right?
God created order. Within whatyou should see me and heard me
read, there's an order in that.One didn't come before the
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other. It's it's it's the oldsaying, the horse don't come
before the cart. Right.
If you put the cart first, thehorse is gonna be behind and and
and pulling the horses. How thatlook? That that just don't
really make sense. It's justit's just gravity if you will,
right? I mean, if you jump up,you're going come down.
If you get up and you thinkyou're Superman and you're on
that molly and you start flying,you think I'm flying. You can
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guarantee it somewhere.
Eleanor (08:06):
You're coming down. You coming down and you going to hit
something that don't move.That's
Patrick (08:09):
right. So. That's right. The real deal part of it,
god created order.
So, I want you to understandthis order. I think we read
through the creation of theEarth, heaven and the Earth and
just read it for history if youwill. I read it and I've been
giving it to, it been given tome through the Holy Spirit.
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Order. If if let let me put itin human terms and purpose.
Order and purpose. Order andpurpose. If one didn't come
before the other, it don't work.
Eleanor (08:41):
Right.
Patrick (08:41):
Can I say that? Right. When when we look at something
and say, well, we can do this.Well, if this before, if you
build the foundation of a houseand you start with the roof
first with no foundation, thatroof, even though you got a roof
over your head.
Eleanor (08:56):
What's holding it up?
Patrick (08:57):
What's holding the foundation? So, can I say that
god had a foundation in how hebuilt it out? So, that's very
important to show when we getinto this marriage thing that
we're talking about so you canunderstand it because god gave
it to me plainly years ago andthat's why I prayed for the
woman of god. I prayed. I askedher.
I said, lord, when I prayed whenwhen I got out of my first
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marriage and and that it didn'twork because it wasn't a godly
marriage. The one thing Iprayed, I said, lord, I don't
want her to be cray cray. Idon't want a woman that is a
misfit to you. Right. I wantedsomeone that love you first and
that can make me a prioritythrough you.
Right. Does that make sense,women? Right. You want, you want
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a man that represents god nomatter what. Even in his
weakness, even in his weakness,you know that brother, that man
is a is a god to do, right?
So, let me get to verse, then,going skip over. Imma get to
verse 23 and then we're toreally get into just having a
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great time about marriages,right? Right. Verse 23 said,
then the man said, no, I'msorry. Let me go back because
that's the filter that I Imissed.
Verse number 20. Imma start withthat. It said, the man gave
names to all livestock and thebirds of the heavens and to
every beast of the field but forAdam, there was not found a
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helper fit for him. Right. Thatword fit.
Fit for him. I want you to hearthat. That's so that, man, we
miss some things like that.
Eleanor (10:37):
We do.
Patrick (10:37):
We just married because we like one another. We've we've
done some things that made usfeel close. Please believe me.
There has to be passion behindit. Some people think, well, it
it's just a transaction.
We just watched a movie that wasvery powerful. It it dealt with
transaction. You you you'remarried for transaction because
it look good. However, it's notgod's fit for you.
Eleanor (10:59):
Or just because you had sex and and you know you
shouldn't have. So, we gottamake it right and we should get
married because you think that'swhat god's plan is.
Patrick (11:10):
That's the that's the cart before the heart.
Eleanor (11:11):
Y'all might not be fit, right?
Patrick (11:13):
That's the cart before the heart.
Eleanor (11:14):
That's the cart before the heart.
Patrick (11:15):
You you got, you put emotions in it.
Eleanor (11:16):
Put emotions in it and and you're not hearing the voice
of god because now you'vestepped outside of god's will.
You stepped outside of god'sorder and you put the cart
before the horse and nojudgement here. I mean, we're
just saying, make sure that whenyou're making a decision that
you're hearing god's voice.Right. Even outside of even in
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the midst of you you've donesomething that you know you
weren't supposed to do.
Right. God is a forgiving godand and and we don't sit in
judgement. We we know that allhave sinned and come short of
the glory of god but don'tallow, don't let anybody force
you into something because youthink it's a good idea. Is it is
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it god's plan? That's what weneed to be.
Patrick (12:06):
So, verse 21, I want to wrap this up so we can get into
our conversation that we'regoing to have today. Verse 21
says, so the lord god called adeep sleep to fall upon the man
and while he slept, took one ofhis ribs and closed up his place
with flesh. Verse 22 says, andthe rib that the lord god had
taken from the man he made intoa woman and brought her to the
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man. I wanna stop there. There'sa lot more, but what we're gonna
start with what I want you tounderstand there's order but
understand who was.
You know how we have women whenwe do get married, whether you
have a father, a brother, orwhoever that walks you down the
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aisle, right? Whoever that maybe, it's a it's a powerful way
of saying number one, I trust asthe man. I trust you with this
woman. I believe in you and Iwant you to understand in
essence, the way I look at itis, she looks at me. She now
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should look at you as she lookedat me.
Right. So, listen to this man.In marriages and if we've gotten
it wrong, let's go back. Let'slook at what truly god did to
create marriage. I want you tolook at verse 22.
It says, and the real that thelord god had taken from the man
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he made into a to a into awoman. This is the verse and
brought her to the man. Look whowalked Eve down the aisle. God
himself. Let's talk about thatthing.
Amen. Let's talk about thatthing. You better heard me when
you hear me.
Eleanor (13:59):
Amen.
Patrick (14:00):
God walked Eve down the aisle. God told Adam, this woman
is fit for you. Right. There yougo. Right.
So, can we just really startwith that and and stop
pretending that we have perfectmarriages. Right. There's no
perfect marriage. However, thereis a perfect fit from god
because the one thing that welike to ask a lot is, why is
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this not working? You know, themovie that Tyler put out?
Why did we get married? Why didyou get married? That question
can be answered solely byindividuals who's working
together under one fit. God'sfit. And if we keep asking
ourselves that the one thingthat people will miss out on is
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did god bless it?
Eleanor (14:47):
That's right.
Patrick (14:48):
God.
Eleanor (14:49):
Did god.
Patrick (14:49):
Will not.
Eleanor (14:50):
Did he put it together?
Patrick (14:51):
Did he ordain it?
Eleanor (14:51):
That's right.
Patrick (14:52):
Right. Did he bring the woman to you? And did he bring
the woman to the right the theright fit for we know we if if
you sold out, you know.
Eleanor (15:04):
And he and he did not Here's what I'm hearing in my
spirit, men. When god broughtAdam and brought Eve to Adam,
Adam did not say, oh, she fine.Oh, I like her curves. Oh, I
like her hips. Oh, I like herlips.
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Oh, I like her outwardappearance. He knew spirit to
spirit. That's who I'm supposedto marry. And we here in the
world where you you need to beattracted to the person. I mean,
if I don't find them attractiveon the outside, I'm not going to
even look at them.
But when god brought Eve toAdam, he didn't say, oh, she
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fine. No, I don't want herbecause she don't look, she's
not my type. Right. It's aspiritual thing and if you're
not connected spiritually, itdoesn't matter what anybody else
thinks about how fine she is,about her outward appearance,
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about you know, you bringingthis girl and she she looks this
kind of way and yeah, that's mymy trophy wife, that's my trophy
girlfriend and you know, she sheis always made up. She's always
got a hair done, always got anails done, always got this and
that and the other.
Looking attractive and and don'tget me wrong. There's nothing
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wrong with looking attractive.There's nothing wrong with
making yourself you you feelinggood about yourself. So, you you
do comb your hair. You don'twant to go outside looking, you
know, with manny hair or youknow, teeth not brushed, you're
not bathing anything like that.
Practicing good hygiene is goodbut how many of you know in The
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United States, that's somethingthat's important. Some other
countries that might beimportant but if you go to a lot
of maybe third world countries,they could care less about a
woman's fake fingernails, fakeeyelashes, makeup, fake hair,
fake booty now. You know, theygetting these what what they
getting these butt lifts. I
Patrick (17:13):
don't even know
Eleanor (17:13):
what they call em now.
Patrick (17:14):
The injections.
Eleanor (17:16):
Injections and implants that or pants that make you your
your bottom voluptuous or andmaking your breasts voluptuous.
The, what's in here? Becausewhen you take all that off and
you wash all that off, what's inhere? Is god saying, this is the
person that I should be marriedto and not concerned about what
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my boys think, what my what mymy father thinks or what anybody
else think because people thatknow you by the spirit, they
will know when you're connectedby the spirit and they will know
when you're connected to theflesh.
Patrick (17:54):
Right.
Eleanor (17:55):
Right. So, be mindful, man. He did not say, oh, she
fine and the first thing I said,I want to talk to her because
she fine.
Patrick (18:01):
Right.
Eleanor (18:01):
Now, I need to, I need to see what's going on
spiritually with this person anddo I need to approach this
person because if I'm justlooking at the outward
appearance like he said, youdon't want anybody cray cray.
Women, we don't want anybodycray cray either. I don't want
any and everything coming uptalking to me just because you
look good on the outside but youyou nutty. You can have a lot of
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money and still be nutty and I'mlike, you wasting my time and
I'm wasting your. Holy Spirit,show me that person by the
spirit.
Patrick (18:33):
Right.
Eleanor (18:33):
Do I need to approach that person? If not, I'm gonna
keep it moving. I don't care howfine
Patrick (18:37):
it is. So, how, you know, what we do now? You know,
we're in the marriage. What whatdo we do? And and I believe that
once we get into marriage, whatwe forget to do and and some of
us may have stopped doing iteven beforehand.
Now, we've committed. We justgoing down that road and we can
talk about not bringing god intoyour your your marriage instead
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of you know, you invited intothe wedding and we talk about
that. We have wedding. We we'vetalked to to some some folk we,
you know, and and the one thingI always say, invite god into
the marriage not just thewedding. However, now you're in
it.
You you could've, I believe mymy opinion is that it broke down
even before you said that I do.Now, Imma tell you the reason
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why because we believe we sign acontract and we don't ever enter
into what we believe in ourbrain, in our mind, a covenant.
Eleanor (19:28):
Right.
Patrick (19:29):
It it is different. It it is a cup. It when you know
that you're in a coveredrelationship, you know that
thing can't be broken. We wentto a ministry some years ago and
it was a ministry that had, youknow, had some people coming and
it was I don't lost in his namenow but he's a singer.
Eleanor (19:53):
Oh, Montel Jordan.
Patrick (19:55):
Montel Jordan and his wife. So, Montel Jordan, his
wife, and a lot of people mightnot have known that Montel and
his wife were married when hewas he was out there chart
topping with with his singing.He just said that, you know, for
the image that go that flesh,that image but he never let it
go but here's the thing, thatimage needed to show that he was
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a single dude.
Eleanor (20:17):
Right. The record industry.
Patrick (20:19):
Right. The record industry had to make him a six
foot eight, six, and how tall itwas, a single man because the
women, they wouldn't be able tosell him if they knew he was
taken. Right. But what he saidand what they said was very
powerful. They had a a table outon the on the when they first
came out.
Right. So, when they came out onthe stage, they had a table. I
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think they had two swords or onesword. They had something on the
table. I believe it was twoswords.
Uh-huh. And they had they hadyeah, it was two swords. One of
em said, marriage. One of emsaid, divorce. And what they,
this, this was the image that wesaw which was powerful.
They took the sword that haddivorce and took it off the
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table.
Eleanor (21:06):
Right.
Patrick (21:07):
They said, we ain't even talk, that ain't even gonna
be in the conversation. We wegetting this thing. We in it for
life but when when we say that,we should commit to covenant not
contract. Right. Because when wecommit the covenant, what we're
saying is, no matter what, we'regoing back to the very thing
that put us together when weknow it was a fit from god.
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Right. The one of the prophetsin the Bible, we talk, I talked
about this a lot and it blessesme and it comes up with this a
lot. So, he talked aboutbuilding there was a they were
building buildings for theprofit school. Let me just put
it that way. They build profitand build a profit school.
They got big in and banging andhitting with hammer and all that
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and one of the prophets lost thehammers, the hammer and sickle
if you will. Lost the the thestrength part of it and and the
prophet came to and the majorprophet came to him basically
asked him.
Eleanor (22:00):
The axe
Patrick (22:01):
head. The axe head. He said, where, you know,
basically, where is it? He said,well, I lost it and it's
borrowed. It's not mine.
He said, well, basically, let'sgo find it because you've lost
your strength.
Eleanor (22:11):
Yeah.
Patrick (22:12):
So, in in essence, the holy spirit showed me that one
time and basically was sharingwith me is, listen, where did
you lose your strength? Men, Iwould ask you, where did you
lose that love for that womanthat you would protect with your
life? And I would say, go backto that and ask the lord to
strengthen you on that. That'snot backtracking. That's just
saying you've lost your yourlove for the one that you know
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god gave.
So, in essence, what do you dowhen them days come? You have a
you have a a spat or thequestion that you have for one
another and you know, the thethe very thing that I believe
takes marriages by I I I guess Isay by surprise. Is we get
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entangled with conversating withanother individual and begin to
start talking about your issuesand problems within your
marriage. When you should betalking about and communicating
that to the person that you'refrustrated with.
Eleanor (23:16):
Yeah. A lot of times and I'm going to add to that. A
lot of times, people are lookingfor help. I I was in a situation
where I couldn't talk to thatperson because they just refused
to listen. They were neverwrong.
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It was always me. They refusedto make any adjustments or any
changes. So, I got tired oftalking and I went to the pastor
of the church that we wereattending and I talked some a
minister in the church. I justneeded assistance. I prayed and
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talked to the lord and and thelord revealed some things to me
and when he revealed to me washe already told me no, not to
not to even even into thatrelationship and I did.
So, sometimes, what what pastoris saying is, do not run to
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somebody just because andcomplain about your marriage
just because. If you are led bythe spirit of lord to speak to
someone, make sure that you'regoing for counseling. Make sure
that you're going to get thewisdom of god and you're not
just going talking andcomplaining because that's not
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going to help. That's not.
Patrick (24:46):
What does
Eleanor (24:46):
that change?
Patrick (24:47):
But does that, I mean, does it show that that that's
not a godly marriage whenbecause you you mentioned you
dealing with someone that thatwon't talk. What what does what
do you do when the theconversation, the communication
is just.
Eleanor (25:07):
Has just ceased. Well, in my situation, I just shut
completely down from thatperson. I I I grew weary and I
got tired of talking. I gottired of trying to share my
point of view, trying to sharewhat does and when I say my
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point of view, what I sense thelord saying, changes that needed
to take place in order for thismarriage to continue.
Patrick (25:35):
So, where do where do you go from? So, now, we gotta
deal with.
Eleanor (25:38):
Where do you go from there?
Patrick (25:39):
Right, because we know, we know of and and we've been
around. I mean, we we we are aseasoned couple. Man, what what
do you do when you just stuck ina relationship especially a
marriage and it's supposed to befor life. It I I believe now is
transferred over the contractnow. Even if you feel like
you're in a covenant.
Right. That because one personis shut down.
Eleanor (26:01):
One person has has gotten to the point where they
just they just give up and youhave to have such a relationship
with god that you have to knowwhat to do. I I I wouldn't
advise anyone to just walk awayjust to walk away. You have to
(26:25):
know because even if you havepeople who are not equally yoked
when they get married. God canstill move on the behalf of both
parties. If both parties arewilling to allow the spirit of
the lord to minister to them, tocounsel them, to tell them, hey,
you need to make an adjustmentin this area.
(26:47):
You need to make an adjustmentin that area.
Patrick (26:49):
I'm a little bit more radical with it. Don't mean to
cut you off right. We we I wantto give I really want to give
substance behind when we'retalking to because this is how
we we we communicate withmarried couples. This is how we
communicate with individual thatmaybe in in a a tough situation
and what do you do? We do wannago back to the scriptures but we
(27:12):
have to be real with twentyfirst century but I I wanna
always couple it.
We gonna always, number one isgonna be scripturally based. I
would say this and we're we'regoing to wind this down because
we want to be very prudent withwith with your time and our
time. Thirty minutes at a spotat times as god moves us not to
be perfect. If god moves us toan hour, whatever the case may
(27:35):
be but I would I would I would Iwould challenge you with this.
What do you do?
Number one, challenge yourselfon your walk. First of all, you
know, praying is great. You'resupposed to pray but at the end
of the day, when one don't wantto one shut down, the other
going shut down. Now, you gottwo shut down people. Yes, you
need to go back to yourfoundation of your wall.
(27:57):
That's why we're talking aboutthis marriage talk which is
based off the scriptures now.Now, if you're in the world,
that thing ain't going to workanyway. I I I know that's going
to they're going to shake somefolk. It ain't going work. It
just ain't going work becauseyou're going to challenge
yourself to listen to everybodyelse in the world.
Paul did some things, excuse me,Peter was doing some things and
Jesus, Jesus would challengehim. Imma tell you how Jesus
(28:19):
challenged him. We remember whenJesus basically told Peter on
this rock, I build my churchwhere the gates of hell cannot
prevail. He wouldn't call himPeter the rock even though in
Hebrew, Peter's name means thethe the rock if you will. He was
he was really challenging Peterto step up.
You're the first. You're goingto be the leader if you will.
(28:39):
However, if you follow theconversation that they had, you
will find out that Jesus wouldchallenge Peter when he was out
of bounds. He would call himSimon sometimes.
Eleanor (28:52):
He would.
Patrick (28:53):
He would call him Simon Peter sometime.
Eleanor (28:55):
He would.
Patrick (28:56):
So, at that point and even apostles, I know there's a
story that we're watching. Thechosen with them that's out
right now and some of theapostles and I believe that
happened in that thing when theycome when they heard him call
him Simon, the apostle like, whyis Jesus calling him Simon now?
Right. That's challenging So,this is what I want to leave you
with. Challenge the thescriptures When you challenge
(29:17):
the scriptures, the scripturesgoing to challenge you back with
truth.
What Jesus was trying to sharewith Peter is, you're out of
bound. Without telling him, he'sout of bound. He would say,
Simon and Peter then would goback to challenge. Why? In
essence, why did he change myname in the first place?
Right. So, with that, I wannawrap this this little
(29:39):
conversation, Marriage Talk toUp and understand that I won't
always be the dumb at one time.We gonna have, we gonna
challenge. We want we want yourfeedback. I would I would
challenge you as a couple to sitdown every night and communicate
and talk.
I wanna challenge you to hit usup on Email and hit us up at
Ignivia Inc.
Eleanor (29:59):
Full of grace.
Patrick (29:59):
Excuse me. I I said that wrong because I got we got
a couple of em. Full of graceSC. WC. WC.
That's why we're married. Seethat right there? Full of Grace
WC@Gmail dot com. I want you tochallenge your marriage. Write
down some questions that you maywant to hear challenged by the
(30:22):
word, not by Patrick andEleanor.
I want you to truly challengeyour marriage by the scriptures.
Eleanor (30:30):
Right.
Patrick (30:31):
And when you do that, we want to be a part of your
walk. So, contact us throughFull of Grace WC@Gmail. Com. I
want you to click on challengeyourself to come on and and have
a a faithful conversation incollaboration with Patrick and
Eleanor because we're not goingto walk this perfectly. However,
(30:51):
in this world right now, we needto walk it collaboratively.
We need marriages that are aChrist centered. So, other
couples, young couples who areafraid to get married right now,
don't want to bring children tothis crazy world but understand
that god sent his son in themost craziest part of the world.
Right. At the most craziesttime. So, we want to love on
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you.
We want you to, you know,contact us, stay in
communication with us, writethem questions down, and and and
let's communicate about it andchallenge it by the word.
Eleanor (31:22):
And I want to end with this. Go back to what I was
saying. Don't be afraid to obeygod. And the outcome that you
want may not be the outcomethat's needed. Obey god and
don't be concerned about thewhat ifs because if god is
(31:44):
telling you to do a thing, do athing.
He knows the end from thebeginning. Don't be afraid to
obey god and don't pray what youwant. Pray the lord's will
because god's will is greaterthan anything we want, anything
we desire. We get our flesh. Weget our emotions in the way.
Obey god.
Patrick (32:03):
God bless you. We'll see you next time.
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